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(mysterious music)
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(glass clinking)
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(mysterious music)
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- [Narrator] From humble beginnings
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to legendary award-winning journalist,
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Jaime Maussan has been
trusted as the voice
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of the people in Mexico
for more than 47 years.
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For the first time the audience will have
access to the information of a UFO case
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That code we explain using the
technology and knowledge we have on earth
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This case was carefully
studied by our 60 minutes team
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and it turns out to be
amazing and fascinating
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Joining us to talk about the
UFO subject the specialist
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Arturo Garza Rodriguez
director of Alternative UFO
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Good morning thank you
for being in here with us
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(audience applauding)
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Mr. Joel Sampayo climate,
sky reports and skeptic.
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Good morning thank you
for being in here with us
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(audience applauding)
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UFO Specialist Jaime Maussan good morning
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(audience applauding)
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In the mid '90s, Maussan
brought the subject
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of UFOs to the spotlight.
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- Then I became the anchor
and finally the director
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of this show that was
on the air until 1995.
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From then on, I became
involved with something
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that I thought was very important.
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UFOs.
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I know many people think
that they are not important
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that they are an illusion or fantasy
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but I realized that
many people had cameras
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at the beginning of the '90s
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and they were able to record the UFOs.
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And I thought that I had a chance
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with these evidences to
change the way people think.
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- [Narrator] Maussan has received
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the United Nations Global 500 Award,
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three times the National
Prize of Journalism in Mexico,
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the Ondas Award for journalists in Spain.
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He was recognized at the
Capitol in Washington, DC.
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Currently he is presenting
"Third Millennium News"
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from Monday to Friday at 10:00
p.m. on national television.
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This news has set the
standard for audience records
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for the channel a+ (A
Mas) on several occasions.
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"Tercer Milenio" continues to be presented
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every Sunday on prime time after 22 years
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of uninterrupted
transmission on Mexican TV.
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- I was not gonna be a journalist.
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I was gonna be an administrative
worker for my father.
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He had a company and he wished
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that I was able to take
care of his company.
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And I never thought that I
wanted to be a journalist.
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Because 50 years ago,
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the journalist in Mexico
were not very honest.
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They wanted money for everything they put
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on the TV or in a newspaper.
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And my father was a
rancher, he had bull fights.
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He was also impresario for big bull rings.
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He organized bull fights.
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Even my aunt was a bull fighter.
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Then I was going to become one.
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But at the same time,
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my father wanted me to
take care of his business.
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But in the last day when
I had to choose my major,
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a friend of mine came to me and asked me
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what was going to be my future,
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what kind of major I was going to choose,
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business administration
something like that.
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And he said, "Oh, that's boring."
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And I said, "Why?"
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Because it's just numbers,
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it's just in a closed
place with no windows.
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And I said, "What are you going to study?"
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He said journalism.
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And I said, "Oh, you're
going to be a corrupt man.
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You're gonna try to
take money from people."
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And he said, "No, journalism
is to change the world.
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Journalism is the possibility
to create conscious.
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Journalism is traveling.
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Journalism is going into the open
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and reporting what you find."
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And I liked that.
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And I immediately changed my major,
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probably the best decision
I have done in my life.
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Then I decided, but my
father didn't like the idea.
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And at the same time,
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he knew that the journalists
in Mexico were corrupt.
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And I said to my father,
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"I will never ever, Father,
take any money from anyone.
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I'm gonna be a very clean
and honest journalist."
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And I have kept that promise until now.
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I've been an honest man all my life.
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And thanks to that,
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I've been able to develop credibility.
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When I was a young kid, I
saw the destruction of nature
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but I didn't know why I didn't like it.
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I knew that the animals were being killed,
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that there was a business
doing with animals,
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that anybody could take an animal
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from their habitats and sell it.
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When I found journalism,
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when I found my real passion for life,
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I really started to
try to change my world.
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And I was able to do it in many ways
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because I worked in
television with the most
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important journalist in
Mexico, Jacobo Zabludovsky,
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the Walter Cronkite of the US,
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a man that was very well
known everywhere in Mexico.
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And I became very close to him,
in many ways his right hand,
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even though I was a teenager.
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When I did my first report,
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I took my report to Cannes in France.
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I was just 19.
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And I received a scholarship from the US
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from an American university,
University of Ohio.
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And I was able to finish my career there.
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When I came back, I started
working in journalism
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to try to protect the environment,
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to try to protect the
woods and the jungles.
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I was able to find the Monarch
butterfly in Mexico there,
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the hidden places where they hibernate.
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Fred Urquhart, a Canadian scientist,
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he's the one who found it, I mean,
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he's the one who really
tracked the Monarch butterfly.
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But he published his article
in National Geographic.
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He never said what it was.
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My network Televisa asked
me to go and find the place.
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It took us two years to
find it, but we finally did.
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And I was able to present
for the first time
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to the Mexican people
the Monarch butterfly
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and I was able to get protection
for the Monarch butterfly.
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Then working in "60 Minutes"
in Mexico as reporter,
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I was able to get involved
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with the protection of the turtles.
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In Mexico, we used to kill the
turtles in slaughterhouses.
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And thanks to my report in "60
Minutes," they were closed.
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We created laws to protect the turtles.
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And that's the reason why some
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of these species of turtles
have now recuperated.
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I was able to do many things to speak
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about the climate change or the
global warming back to 1986.
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I was able to speak
about the El Nino current
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in '87 or the depletion
of the solar layer in '88.
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We were just two journalists
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from all around the world who went
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with NASA to the North Pole to report
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if there was a hole in the North Pole,
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as the one that had been
observed in the South Pole.
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They found that no, there was not a hole.
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It was a little bit depleted
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but we didn't have the same problem.
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Because of the currents are
different in both poles.
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Anyway, I was able to be
there with a German journalist
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and even the NASA people were amazed
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that they said a reporter,
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a journalist from a
tropical country is here.
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Why the Americans, why the
Europeans are not here?
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But I was very much involved
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in the protection of environment.
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And when I found that news,
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the Televisa allowed me
to go and participate
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with NASA in these investigations
back in January, 1988.
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And I was able to do
many other things like,
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for example, to help the Tarahumaras
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in the Sierra in Mexico.
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They were dying of hunger and cold.
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And also in '88, '87, we
were able to get thousands
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of tons of food for them with that report
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in "60 Minutes" in Mexico.
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Then I became the anchor
and finally the director
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of this show that was
on the air until 1995.
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From then on, I became
involved with something
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that I thought was very important.
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UFOs.
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I know many people think
that they are not important,
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that they are an illusion or fantasy,
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but I realized that
many people had cameras
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at the beginning of the '90s
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and they were able to record the UFOs.
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And I thought that I had a
chance with these evidences
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to change the way people think.
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Back in '90, '91, there was a
total solar eclipse in Mexico,
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probably the longest or the second longest
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in the whole century, six
minutes and 54 seconds.
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And people, many people in
Mexico recorded the solar eclipse
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but some people got UFOs in
the middle of their videos.
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And I thought that was very important.
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(mysterious music)
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Hours later during the
astronomical phenomenon
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on TV program 24 Hours
with Jacobo Zabkudevsky
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Guillermo Arreguin's video
showed a flying saucer
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which was silver color on the
top side and dark underneath
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it seemed to be spinning and
flew for several minutes over Mexico
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Days later, more videos appeared
and this was the beginning of the
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most important UFO surge of the
90s and that it remains till this day
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But this also reignited Mexican
culture of watching the sky
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Obviously other voices cried out
that this was a misinterpretation
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images or that it was the planet
Venus, However up until 2009
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those voices have not
presented any analysis or research
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to end the controversy
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What is clear for us is that
this unidentified flying object
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was seen in different places of
central Mexico which implies that this
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wasn't something imagined. Since the
same object appears in most of the videos
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This video was seen around the
world and has been presented in different
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TV programs. This solar eclipse began
a new era of study and research of UFOs
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phenomenon in our country because
citizens had in their hands the necessary
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technology to record those strange ufos
which they could only talk about before
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or say, "I saw one". So, they know now
how important video cameras are
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- I was invited to this program
because I had done a report
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on "60 Minutes" about Billy
Meier and people identified me.
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But as a matter of fact,
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I didn't want to go to
this television show
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because I thought that UFOs
were not good for journalists,
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that they were very risky
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and I shouldn't get involved with this.
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But my company, my network asked me to go
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to the show, "Y usted que opina?"
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And it was so successful
that they asked me to go
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for a second time and I didn't want to go.
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I really didn't want to go.
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I said, "That's it, no more UFOs please."
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But this man insisted,
"Please, this is the last time.
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Let's do another show
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because you know how
many people saw these,
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millions and millions
and millions of people.
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And I want to do a new one."
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And I say, "Okay, but
this is the last one.
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This is really the last show."
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And I went there and I was
able to find these videos
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that were recorded by some people
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of the eclipse where they found UFOs.
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When I presented this,
very early in the morning,
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probably three or four
o'clock in the morning,
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it was a revolution.
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Thousands of people
came to the television.
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At five o'clock in the morning,
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there were more than five or 10,000 people
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outside the station because
they wanted to get in
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because they were so
excited with these videos.
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And after that show, nothing
was the same for me in my life.
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I received many invitations
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from different universities in Mexico.
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Then I received invitations
from international congresses
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around the world and I couldn't get away.
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I couldn't get away anymore.
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Then I started without even thinking
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to get so much involved
because people send me videos
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and hundreds of videos of UFOs.
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And then I realized that
this was very important.
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This was a new phenomenon,
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a phenomenon inside the phenomenon,
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where people were recording
these things with cameras
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because everybody had a camera now
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or many people had a
camera, VHS back in 1991.
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And I thought with the
development of technology,
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more and more and more people
are gonna have cameras.
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And then I said, well, I
am very sure in the future
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everyone is gonna have a camera
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and we be able to have many more videos,
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many more evidences.
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And I started to promote
people to watch the sky,
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when they have time to watch the sky
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and record whatever it was there.
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I never thought this
was gonna be successful
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but then I received one
video recorded by one person,
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and then another and another and another
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and then dozens and then hundreds.
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And then I didn't know what to do
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with so much evidence I had.
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In 1995 ended "60 Minutes"
and I received more
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and more invitations
to present conferences.
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And I went all around Mexico,
and I mean all around Mexico,
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presenting all the evidences
with full theaters.
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And I'm talking thousand
people, 2,000 people everywhere.
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And I couldn't escape anymore.
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I became the center of
this phenomenon in Mexico.
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In 1997, I started the show,
"Tercer Milenio" on Televisa.
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That lasted until 2003.
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Then when out of the air.
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(speaking in foreign language)
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- Televisa had a huge network,
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the national network in
Mexico, asked me to come back
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and present "Tercer Milenio" in 2004.
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(mysterious music)
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We are in the midst
of a reality that changes
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It evolves
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It's closer to us everyday
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Clear messages that appear
in the farmlands of England
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that can't be considered
the pranks of a few hoaxers
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Our job has been to
bring this information to you
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to get you closer
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This is the age of encounter
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We must realize that we
live in extraordinary times
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And I did it
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and I have been on the
air since 2004 until now.
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A very successful show.
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Now it's running in a different network,
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also a national network,
Azteca, and we have even grow
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in numbers in ratings for around
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2 million people watch
the show every week,
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which probably should
be considered the most
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successful show on UFOs around the world.
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(upbeat music)
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- UFOs have been the stuff
of conspiracy theorist
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for decades often mocked
for talking about it.
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But maybe they shouldn't be mocked.
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Commander David Fravor spent 18 years
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as a Naval aviator pilot.
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In 2004, he had an unforgettable
encounter with an aircraft
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he said was defying the laws of physics.
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Commander Fravor joins us tonight.
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Thanks for coming on tonight.
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Tell us what you saw.
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- Well, we had launched on
a routine training mission.
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When we joined up, we were told
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that the event was gonna be canceled
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and then we have real-world tasking
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and we were sent out to the west.
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Now take in mind that this has taken place
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about a hundred miles
southwest of San Diego,
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between San Diego and Ensenada, Mexico
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on a clear perfect day, blue waters.
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We get out to the spot
where they tell us it's at,
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we start looking around and both of us,
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both airplanes see a
disturbance in the water
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and a white 40 foot long
Tic Tac shaped object
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just hovering above the
water going forward,
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back, left to right.
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There's no rotor wash.
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There's no wings, nothing.
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So as we drive around in a clockwise flow,
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we get to about the nine o'clock position,
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and I said I'm gonna go
down and check it out
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and the other jet is gonna stay high.
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So as we go down, when we get
to the 12 o'clock position,
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it starts to mirror us.
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So it's in a clockwise flow and it's
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on the opposite side
of the circle from us.
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And we continue, it's in
a climb or in a descent,
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we're getting a great look at it.
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This whole thing takes about probably up
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to five minutes from the time we show up.
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I get over to the eight o'clock position.
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it's at about the two o'clock position
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and I decide I'm gonna
go and see what it is
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and it's about 2,000 feet below me.
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And I cut across the
circle and as I get within
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about a half mile of it,
it rapidly accelerates
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to the south in about two
seconds and disappears.
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At one moment you were
surrounded by these objects
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According to the information
I heard from the back cabin
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from the chief operational coordinator
there came a moment that he saw
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on the screens that the
objects were in the back
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on the left side and in front of
us. It was at that moment when
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I felt a little tension
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- What would you estimate the speed?
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- At well above supersonic.
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Like a bullet out of a gun, it took off.
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- So from what you know
about aerodynamics,
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mechanics, physics, should
this be possible, what you saw?
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- Not with the technology
that we have today.
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Not at all.
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- Even now, even 13 years later,
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is there anything that you know of capable
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of this kind of you have behavior?
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- No, there is nothing I know of.
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When we saw the video with the IRR,
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it has no exhaust it,
no discernible things
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of anything form of propulsion,
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and this thing came from a dead hover
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over the water just kind of moving around
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to a climb up to about 12,000 feet
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to rapidly accelerating away in a climb
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and in less than two seconds, it was gone.
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And you figure, you're
talking 50 miles of visibility
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and you can easily see an object
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that size easily out to 10 miles
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and it just disappeared in seconds.
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But in spite of that they
never could see them?
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We could never identify them
visually with the naked eye
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So it was only possible to detect
the presence of them through FLIR?
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Yes only with the infrared
FLIR system, precisely
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That is, they were
invisible to the eye?
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I think so because none of
the crew members could see it
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with the naked eye
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From that distance, should
you have been able to see them?
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The closest we were was
two miles which a normal object
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or aircraft, experience tells
me that we should have been able to
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That's the question we are
left with from that operation
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- What would be the
effects on a human pilot
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of the G-forces involved
in that altitude change?
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- Well, the altitude wouldn't be bad.
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It would be the
acceleration of the object.
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Well, honestly, I wanted to fly it.
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- Yeah, I bet.
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- Talking to some physicists,
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they don't think the
human body could handle
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that kind of force with that acceleration.
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- It doesn't sound like
the human body could.
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So bottom line, what
do you think this was?
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- I believe, as do the other folks
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that were on the flight
when we visually saw it,
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that it was something not from this world.
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- Presumably, you expressed
that belief to your superiors.
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What did they say?
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- Actually, we caught a
lot of grief getting back
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to the boat and it got
passed off as an event
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that no one could explain.
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Now, keep in mind, they
had been tracking these
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for two weeks prior to us seeing it.
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And this was the first
time that manned airplanes
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had been airborne when
the objects appeared.
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- This feels like a
really big story to me.
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It's not exactly clear
why Vladimir Putin's
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more interesting than this.
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I think this seems like a big deal.
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And Commander, I appreciate
your taking the time
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to talk to us about it.
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- Back in 2004, the Secretary of Defense
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in Mexico called me to
deliver a video to me.
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They recorded this video
on March the fifth, 2004,
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close to the Campeche area
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but the plane was in the
middle of the jungle.
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They were able to record these lights
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following the airplane.
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11 lights following the airplane.
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The Mexican scientists went
to the television to say
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that they were, how you say,
lightning or energy in there.
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Bolt lighting, 11 bolt lighting following
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and surrounding an airplane.
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They went to the
Secretary of Defense later
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and said, "Oh, we are sorry.
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Oh, we were wrong, sorry.
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But they would never say that publicly.
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You see?
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But they know they were wrong
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because the Secretary of
Defense wouldn't deliver a video
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of UFOs if he knew it was something else.
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Then I can tell you that
proves that in Mexico
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even the authorities are
ready to accept this.
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The only reason we don't do it is because
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we don't want to confront the US.
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We don't want to confront
the scientists from the US
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because they would make fun
of the Mexican government
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and they would make jokes about that.
446
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Nobody's ready for that.
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more information on the target
448
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It's traveling at speed 206
and it's on a 3.01 course
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Here it goes, here it goes,
there it goes, there it goes
450
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And why are you picking it up until now?
451
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What is it, Juarez? Juarez, what is it?
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It is a point
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A point
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There it is
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It's directly behind us
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Correct, now it's at 7 o'clock
position with 10.5 miles
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It's on course 2.83 and 3.34 speed.
Well, I am about to lose it on the
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radar and it's about to leave
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At 7 o'clock at the same altitude
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There are some clouds. It should be there
461
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What are we seeing here...There
are some important apsects
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to comment on in addition to
the audio of the 501 squad crew
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You can see two very
large lights and below them
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a point that is not as bright
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but that is where the X is
indicating maximum heat
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that is, the biggest energy point
of those lights precisely below
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Let's see, what we have here?
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Nothing Sir
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Yes
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Commander, what is that?
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What was the distance more or less, Tellez?
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Hey, get ready... it's like...
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There are more. More are following behind
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There are 10 or 11 objects
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Another important aspect is that we see
the objects are moving
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for those who suggested that these were,
in fact, oil wells, the oil well burners
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But we can clearly see,
with the clouds for reference.
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it remains more or less stable and
the objects are moving while the clouds
479
00:26:42,024 --> 00:26:47,324
appear to be still. Another very important
aspect. I want you to see the numbers that
480
00:26:47,348 --> 00:26:51,048
are on the left of your screen,
there you will see a zero.
481
00:26:51,072 --> 00:26:57,472
inside the zero is a small arrow.
That arrow is indicating the inclination
482
00:26:57,496 --> 00:26:59,396
of the FLIR camera
483
00:26:59,420 --> 00:27:00,520
There they go, there they go
484
00:27:00,544 --> 00:27:05,044
Three, four, five, six...
There are six of them...
485
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:11,850
That is to say that it is literally
at the horizon. It is not focused
486
00:27:11,874 --> 00:27:17,074
toward the ground, it is literally facing
toward the horizon and the aircraft was
487
00:27:17,098 --> 00:27:19,098
flying at 3,500 meters
488
00:27:20,727 --> 00:27:22,727
And they're moving at speed but...
489
00:27:24,751 --> 00:27:27,151
one, two, three, four, five, six, seven
490
00:27:27,175 --> 00:27:28,975
eight on the screen
491
00:27:28,999 --> 00:27:30,999
Follow them, do not lose them
492
00:27:31,023 --> 00:27:32,223
Don't scare me
493
00:27:32,247 --> 00:27:36,347
Look out the window.
We have one at approximately
494
00:27:36,371 --> 00:27:40,271
One O'clock and the others remain at nine
495
00:27:40,295 --> 00:27:41,595
They have you surrounded?
496
00:27:41,619 --> 00:27:42,619
Well, I don't know
497
00:27:42,643 --> 00:27:43,943
How far?
498
00:27:43,967 --> 00:27:45,967
It only tells me
499
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,060
Today is your lucky day, young men
500
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,100
We are not alone
501
00:27:58,431 --> 00:27:59,931
They are surrounding us
502
00:27:59,955 --> 00:28:00,955
One at 1 o'clock
503
00:28:00,979 --> 00:28:08,879
At one, I have it 14.8 miles
with course 99 and speed of 52
504
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:11,900
He is following one and I
am following the other one
505
00:28:11,924 --> 00:28:12,924
(crosstalk)
506
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,400
Okay, one is on the radar, on FLIR
We are seeing it on FLIR
507
00:28:16,424 --> 00:28:20,724
It is a luminous object,
it is in the opposite direction of us
508
00:28:20,748 --> 00:28:23,648
but it does not leave us,
it is two miles behind us
509
00:28:24,563 --> 00:28:28,560
- I received a call from the secretary
510
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,766
of the Secretary of Defense in Mexico.
511
00:28:31,766 --> 00:28:32,963
She asked me to come.
512
00:28:34,694 --> 00:28:37,320
I had an appointment, I went there,
513
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,947
I sit down in an office, nobody was there.
514
00:28:39,947 --> 00:28:44,920
And when I realized I
was in the drug traffic
515
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:49,077
from the administration from the military,
516
00:28:49,077 --> 00:28:52,090
and I said, "Jesus Christ, what happened?
517
00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:54,820
Did somebody say that I did something?
518
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:56,290
What I'm doing here?
519
00:28:56,290 --> 00:28:58,650
I have to go, I have to go.
520
00:28:58,650 --> 00:29:00,190
This is the good."
521
00:29:00,190 --> 00:29:01,427
And then they came and say,
522
00:29:01,427 --> 00:29:03,870
"Mr. Maussan, can you
come with us please?"
523
00:29:03,870 --> 00:29:06,917
And I said, "Jesus Christ,
what is gonna happen now?"
524
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:10,720
And they took me to a little theater
525
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,393
and they put the video
on and they all said,
526
00:29:14,393 --> 00:29:16,287
"Can you explain this please?"
527
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,907
And I saw it and I said,
528
00:29:19,907 --> 00:29:23,187
"Jesus, are these things
following the airplane?"
529
00:29:23,187 --> 00:29:26,160
"Yes, and they surrounded the airplane."
530
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,993
Yes.
531
00:29:26,993 --> 00:29:28,607
"Can I talk to the pilots?"
532
00:29:28,607 --> 00:29:31,260
"No, first tell us what you think."
533
00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:34,130
And I say, "Well, I think they are UFOs."
534
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:37,630
The video had been recorded
with a FLIR camera.
535
00:29:37,630 --> 00:29:42,630
This camera was, in 2004,
just for the military.
536
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:46,520
It was a very specialized camera
537
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,410
that could track the infrared
538
00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:52,513
and could track the heat in the airspace.
539
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:57,660
They were using this
camera in this airplane
540
00:29:57,660 --> 00:30:00,870
because they were looking for narcotics
541
00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:03,460
from drugs from South America.
542
00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:07,900
And they were in the area
where is the shortest
543
00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,240
in Mexico from coast to coast.
544
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,390
And the airplanes had to go through there.
545
00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:18,390
And it was fairly easy to
track these drug dealers.
546
00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:22,320
And they use this special equipment.
547
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,770
And the military saw these lights.
548
00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:29,080
They couldn't see the
lights with their eyes.
549
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,600
They just saw it with the camera.
550
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,780
But they knew, they had
a screen in the airplane
551
00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:37,120
and they were looking at the screen
552
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,930
even though they couldn't
find it in the air,
553
00:30:39,930 --> 00:30:42,973
in the in the atmosphere,
it was on the camera.
554
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:46,038
And they got very nervous, especially when
555
00:30:46,038 --> 00:30:49,161
they were surrounded by these lights.
556
00:30:49,161 --> 00:30:54,161
The captain turned off
the navigation lights
557
00:30:55,100 --> 00:31:00,100
because he thought he was gonna
be confronted by these UFOs.
558
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,210
Then some people came and tried to explain
559
00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:08,580
that video saying that they were oil rigs.
560
00:31:10,191 --> 00:31:11,650
- [Interviewer] Letting off fire-
561
00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:16,340
- Exactly and some other things, missiles
562
00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:19,463
and so many really crazy things.
563
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:25,130
But the military were there every day
564
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:28,060
for many hours in the same place
565
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:31,920
and they never saw something like this.
566
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,503
And they couldn't explain it.
567
00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:37,893
When I told them that these were UFOs,
568
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:42,490
they said, "Okay, thank you
very much, Mr. Maussan."
569
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:43,640
And I left.
570
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,070
They didn't tell me anything else.
571
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:49,610
I receive a call again
a couple of days later
572
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:52,410
and they say, "The
Secretary of Defense want
573
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,240
to see you personally in his office."
574
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,417
I went there and then he asked me,
575
00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:00,437
"What do you think they are?"
576
00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:04,967
And I said, "UFOs, can
I talk to the crew?"
577
00:32:04,967 --> 00:32:06,743
"You will, you will.
578
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,540
You are gonna be the only
one who's gonna do that.
579
00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:13,240
I'm going to give you the tape.
580
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,230
You can do whatever you want.
581
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:20,230
Just remember that you have
the honor and the pride
582
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:23,820
of the Armed Forces of
Mexico in your hearts.
583
00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:25,209
Be very careful."
584
00:32:25,209 --> 00:32:31,326
When we made a turn to go towards
Campeche the FLIR camera operator
585
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:33,350
detected a white
586
00:32:33,374 --> 00:32:42,374
a target without form. It was
shining. It was detected by the
587
00:32:42,474 --> 00:32:44,474
infrared camera...
588
00:32:44,745 --> 00:32:48,545
and it was being
observed at all times with that camera
589
00:32:48,569 --> 00:32:54,269
Later we saw that we...
590
00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:57,693
We saw other targets on the left side
591
00:32:57,717 --> 00:33:02,717
of the aircraft, Apparently, there were
eleven targets
592
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,800
In this case, we can assume that
these eleven points
593
00:33:05,824 --> 00:33:10,324
that produced heat and that are seen
through the FLIR video
594
00:33:10,348 --> 00:33:14,548
were they there
even though they were not visible?
595
00:33:14,572 --> 00:33:19,972
They were there, and we
referenced that by their positions
596
00:33:19,996 --> 00:33:27,896
They were always to the left of us, flying
at the same height, and at approximately
597
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,620
the same speed. Well, we tried to find
598
00:33:31,945 --> 00:33:37,545
an image and the points remained
hot at all times, completely hot
599
00:33:37,569 --> 00:33:39,569
Very hot?
600
00:33:39,593 --> 00:33:42,393
Very hot. They did have an irregular shape
They were always circles
601
00:33:42,417 --> 00:33:45,717
Is this irregular
with respect to aircraft?
602
00:33:45,741 --> 00:33:47,441
that you have previously detected?
603
00:33:47,465 --> 00:33:51,765
Yes, it is irregular because
they did not have a shape
604
00:33:51,789 --> 00:33:56,889
they did not have a shape of any object
I have seen before
605
00:33:56,913 --> 00:34:03,913
In other words, you have never seem
or experienced this before?
606
00:34:03,937 --> 00:34:06,437
It had never happened to me,
it is something that
607
00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:09,361
I don't know what to say, I can't
tell you what it was
608
00:34:09,385 --> 00:34:13,785
I couldn't relate this experience to
something I saw before
609
00:34:13,847 --> 00:34:17,580
- "If somebody asks you
who gave you this video?"
610
00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:20,143
I thought, "Oh, he's gonna to say,
611
00:34:20,143 --> 00:34:22,167
'You don't know who gave you this.'"
612
00:34:22,167 --> 00:34:26,240
"You are gonna say that
the Secretary of Defense
613
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:28,220
gave you these video."
614
00:34:28,220 --> 00:34:31,000
And I say, "Jesus Christ."
615
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,730
My pants almost fell down.
616
00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:37,310
I had this evidence, they
have given me this evidence
617
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:41,160
and the Secretary of Defense
of Mexico was supporting me
618
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,980
whatever I did with this.
619
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:45,170
I felt a big responsibility.
620
00:34:45,170 --> 00:34:48,490
I investigated everything
I could with this tape.
621
00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:51,920
I had a chance to interview all the crew,
622
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,000
the captain, and the cameraman,
623
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,250
and everyone that was inside the plane
624
00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:01,860
and all of them told me, "This is real,
625
00:35:01,860 --> 00:35:03,937
we've never seen anything like this."
626
00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:08,300
And then I presented
this video in a national
627
00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,167
television program in
Mexico, in the newscast,
628
00:35:11,167 --> 00:35:16,167
in the most important newscast
on may, the ninth, 2004.
629
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,720
Next day, I gave a press conference and
630
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:26,620
all the international media
came to the press conference.
631
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:31,100
I gave them this video and
next night or that night
632
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:36,100
it was everywhere around the
world in every single newscast.
633
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:39,220
I don't think there is a sighting of UFOs
634
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:42,290
that has been presented everywhere
635
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:46,620
like this happened in 2004.
636
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:51,620
And then I thought that I had
done my job the best I could.
637
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,750
I never expected that the explanations
638
00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:57,937
that were gonna be
given to this incredible
639
00:35:57,937 --> 00:36:01,720
video were gonna be so
stupid as they were.
640
00:36:04,437 --> 00:36:06,854
Simultaneously recording video
in the normal visual spectrum
641
00:36:06,878 --> 00:36:10,478
and infrared spectrum.
This is the official name of the system
642
00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:15,002
developed by Pedro Avila,
a Mexican that watches sky
643
00:36:15,026 --> 00:36:18,926
He's the creator of the
technique that some say
644
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:23,850
is a tool to study the UFO phenomenon
worldwide
645
00:36:23,874 --> 00:36:27,674
Well, first of all,
it makes me very proud to know that what
646
00:36:27,698 --> 00:36:31,098
I'm presenting here is something real.
It's something genuine
647
00:36:31,122 --> 00:36:34,522
Pedro Avila, national director
of the sky watchers
648
00:36:34,546 --> 00:36:40,146
who from this window recorded the
most amazing unidentified flying objects
649
00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:45,370
is the creator of the technique
which the official name of this system is
650
00:36:45,394 --> 00:36:51,794
Simultaneous video-recording technique
in the normal and infrared spectrum
651
00:36:51,872 --> 00:36:55,039
- After I learned that there were UFOs
652
00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:58,510
that were invisible to the eye,
653
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:01,720
I proposed that idea on television.
654
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,697
And Pedro Avila, a UFO
hunter who cannot walk,
655
00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:12,380
he's in a chair, he's looking through
656
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:17,210
his window all day long, built
a device to put two cameras,
657
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:24,333
one infrared and one normal spectrum,
658
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,610
and he was able, it's the only time that
659
00:37:28,610 --> 00:37:30,563
this has ever been done everywhere,
660
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:36,360
where you have a camera
recording in the normal spectrum
661
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,170
and the other camera in the infrared.
662
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:42,430
And you can see this
object in the infrared
663
00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:45,090
and you cannot clearly see anything
664
00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:49,810
in the normal spectrum
proving that there are UFOs
665
00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:52,843
that are not visible to
the eyes, to the sight.
666
00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:56,470
And I think that was very important.
667
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:59,500
From then on, more and more people
668
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:02,350
and with the development of technology,
669
00:38:02,350 --> 00:38:07,350
even the FLIR technology now
available to many people,
670
00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:13,270
to almost anyone who wants
to have a FLIR camera now,
671
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:17,280
you can have it, and now
many people are recording
672
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,280
these invisible UFOs everywhere
and it is just amazing.
673
00:38:25,330 --> 00:38:30,330
And we are proving now that
what was said 15 years ago
674
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,380
with the military in Mexico,
675
00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:37,290
it's happening in many,
many places right now.
676
00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:40,220
- [Dave] You've got it from
a few different locations
677
00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:41,800
where they filmed this,
is that right, Darcy,
678
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,793
that's in the documentary itself?
679
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:48,470
- [Darcy] Yeah, actually the
two videos that were used
680
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:50,810
in the documentary that
were pretty popular
681
00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:55,810
on TV network circulation back in the '90s
682
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,390
when this first happened
were from the vantage point
683
00:39:00,390 --> 00:39:04,420
of Puebla, which is just
north of Mexico City,
684
00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:07,550
it's another little city, and Mexico City.
685
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:12,180
So another famous UFO sighting
686
00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:16,460
was the Jerusalem Temple Rock,
687
00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:21,460
a UFO that kind of hovered
around the dome there.
688
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:24,590
And that was recorded by, I think,
689
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:27,780
five different individuals
walking around the city.
690
00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:30,830
- [Dave] Are there specific hotspots where
691
00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:34,362
these craft are being seen continually?
692
00:39:34,362 --> 00:39:36,040
- [Maussan] It comes from time to time.
693
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,710
Right now, for example,
from the last few years,
694
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:44,340
couple three or four years,
we've been receiving many videos
695
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:49,340
from the northwest of Mexico
around Rosarito, Tijuana,
696
00:39:50,152 --> 00:39:55,152
San Diego in California,
even around Los Angeles.
697
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,230
Around five, 10 years ago,
there were hundreds of videos
698
00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:02,430
that were coming from Russia.
699
00:40:02,430 --> 00:40:04,660
Probably Russia is
because of the development
700
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:08,736
of new nuclear weapons
because they happen mostly
701
00:40:08,736 --> 00:40:13,736
around St. Petersburg in
the Crimean Peninsula.
702
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,995
They all just are mostly in places
703
00:40:17,995 --> 00:40:20,800
where they have some interest.
704
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,633
- [Dave] Now you said that there's
705
00:40:21,633 --> 00:40:23,350
another really massive siting something-
706
00:40:23,350 --> 00:40:24,629
- [Maussan] Oh yeah, yeah,
let me tell you about it.
707
00:40:24,629 --> 00:40:26,970
- [Dave] The people might not be aware of.
708
00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:29,800
- The second interview
and I'm waiting to do
709
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,680
that third interview.
710
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,300
On the morning, four
o'clock in the morning
711
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:38,530
of December 19th, there was a huge,
712
00:40:38,530 --> 00:40:43,483
and I mean a huge UFO
pyramid above the Pentagon?
713
00:40:44,949 --> 00:40:47,530
Some people say, "Oh, it's animation."
714
00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:48,620
No.
715
00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:51,510
I was able to find, I
think I am the only one
716
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:53,183
who has investigated this case,
717
00:40:54,350 --> 00:40:59,230
the pyramids was just
300 feet from the ground
718
00:40:59,230 --> 00:41:03,640
and in the middle of the
Pentagon, above the Pentagon.
719
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,987
The images are incredible.
720
00:41:05,987 --> 00:41:07,913
Three different people,
721
00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:11,885
one of them that was walking with his dog.
722
00:41:11,885 --> 00:41:16,803
Another two people who
were in a taxi, in a cab.
723
00:41:16,803 --> 00:41:19,430
And the third one was taking photographs
724
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:22,320
inside the cemetery in Arlington.
725
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,740
The three of them with
cameras in their hands,
726
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:28,240
because they couldn't
do it with a cell phone,
727
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,980
were able to get incredible images
728
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:36,980
of these pyramid moving and
rotating above the Pentagon.
729
00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:42,680
What is amazing is that
normally in the US,
730
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,080
not a single media, not
The Washington Post,
731
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,277
The New York Times, CBS,
NBC, et cetera, et cetera.
732
00:41:56,551 --> 00:41:58,218
- [Man] What's that?
733
00:41:59,788 --> 00:42:02,038
This is aliens, I tell you.
734
00:42:10,191 --> 00:42:13,941
Yes, yes, I'm really
sorry but I was talking.
735
00:42:16,355 --> 00:42:18,772
- [Man] Oh man, what is this?
736
00:42:25,553 --> 00:42:27,633
- [Man] This is a fucking alien invasion.
737
00:42:29,896 --> 00:42:31,713
- [Man] Do you see it?
738
00:42:31,713 --> 00:42:33,219
Where is it?
739
00:42:33,219 --> 00:42:34,802
Give me the camera.
740
00:42:39,433 --> 00:42:40,480
What is this?
741
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,303
I mean, what the fuck is that?
742
00:42:54,473 --> 00:42:57,263
- [Man] Turn left, left!
743
00:42:57,263 --> 00:42:58,483
Have we lost it?
744
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,030
- [Man] Look back, look back!
745
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:13,847
- [Man] I got you, baby.
746
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,273
I see it.
747
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,980
- [Man] Turn right,
turn right, turn right!
748
00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:22,110
Do you see it?
749
00:43:28,747 --> 00:43:30,733
- [Man] Can it be like a ancient God?
750
00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:33,493
- [Man] You're stupid.
751
00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:41,333
- [Man] Slow down, man, slow down.
752
00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:45,413
What?
753
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,720
It's gone.
754
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,203
I don't, I don't see it.
755
00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:52,713
Man, do you see it?
756
00:43:57,830 --> 00:43:59,180
- [Man] I've heard something on the news.
757
00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:01,660
Something about Russian military.
758
00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:04,400
- [Man] No, it's not Russia.
759
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,020
- [Man] It's Pentagon.
760
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:07,430
- [Man] I seen it already, man.
761
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:10,790
- [Man] It's a bomber, it
was announced the news.
762
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:12,380
You know.
763
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:13,213
- [Man] No, man.
764
00:44:25,347 --> 00:44:28,540
- [Man] Turn on the radio,
it should tell us something.
765
00:44:28,540 --> 00:44:29,543
Turn on the radio.
766
00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:35,260
- [Jaime] Has done anything
around this incredible case.
767
00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:38,950
We found something very
similar that happened
768
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:43,553
on December the ninth,
2010 above the Kremlin.
769
00:44:59,198 --> 00:45:04,198
In the Red Square in Moscow,
exactly the same object.
770
00:45:04,457 --> 00:45:07,532
This was recorded and presented by RT.
771
00:45:07,532 --> 00:45:10,740
- The Kremlin has been circled by a UFO.
772
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:13,270
Well, that's if you believe
a video which has soared
773
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:16,470
to the top of YouTube's Russian website.
774
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:18,870
The pictures apparently
shot from a passing
775
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:21,550
car have become an online sensation.
776
00:45:21,550 --> 00:45:23,590
Another YouTube clip filmed during
777
00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:26,010
daylight shows a fuzzy gray object
778
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:28,230
on the skyline near Red Square.
779
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:31,010
Skeptics, however, say that
if the images were real
780
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:33,530
the public would have
reported sightings to police
781
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:35,720
who are currently making no comment.
782
00:45:37,163 --> 00:45:42,100
- [Jaime] And in different
media newscasts in Russia,
783
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,843
it was never presented in the US.
784
00:45:44,843 --> 00:45:47,290
And it's exactly the same thing.
785
00:45:47,290 --> 00:45:51,758
And I believe that sighting
has a lot of meaning.
786
00:45:51,758 --> 00:45:55,700
I now know why it was there that day.
787
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:59,660
That day Donald Trump
signed the memorandum
788
00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:03,780
creating the space combat command,
789
00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:07,283
the US Space Combat
Command that very same day.
790
00:46:08,705 --> 00:46:11,059
Amicizia - friendship was
an experiment carried out
791
00:46:11,083 --> 00:46:14,390
by beings from another
world to try to establish
792
00:46:14,514 --> 00:46:19,722
communication with humans
to help our development
793
00:46:20,992 --> 00:46:23,605
- [Interviewer] This is very
difficult to understand this.
794
00:46:23,605 --> 00:46:24,523
- Not really so.
795
00:46:24,523 --> 00:46:29,523
I believe it is in the
moment you accept the idea
796
00:46:29,610 --> 00:46:34,423
that the people for other
stars may live here.
797
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:40,186
Then all comes immediately,
it's quite easy to accept it.
798
00:46:40,186 --> 00:46:42,203
According to Stefano Breccia
799
00:46:42,227 --> 00:46:44,627
Not only was a group established on Earth
800
00:46:44,651 --> 00:46:47,651
a group that they called w56
801
00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:50,675
but there were others
who were given the name
802
00:46:50,699 --> 00:46:56,699
of opposites or the CTR who
had other interests and values
803
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,400
this situation generated a
conflict between both groups
804
00:47:00,424 --> 00:47:03,624
that even caused the death of some involved
805
00:47:04,525 --> 00:47:08,525
they explained to Bruno
Samacicia and Giancarlo De Carlo
806
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,000
that this group of aliens
are on our planet because
807
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:21,000
they are very concerned
about the destructive attitude
808
00:47:21,024 --> 00:47:24,024
that man on Earth has toward nature
809
00:47:24,048 --> 00:47:28,048
These beings explain that
they are very concerned
810
00:47:28,072 --> 00:47:31,072
about the atomic bomb
811
00:47:31,096 --> 00:47:35,096
that a nuclear weapon,
in the event of a war
812
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120
could destroy all of
humanity in a few minutes
813
00:47:38,144 --> 00:47:42,144
Then they explained that
they are here to take care of our planet
814
00:47:42,168 --> 00:47:44,168
and possibly humanity
815
00:47:44,338 --> 00:47:47,338
According to the witnesses and
the account of Stefano Breccia
816
00:47:47,362 --> 00:47:50,562
in his book mass contact, all those beings
817
00:47:50,586 --> 00:47:56,086
who participated in amicicia
were moved by the deep morality
818
00:47:56,110 --> 00:47:59,210
and sincere humanism of these beings
819
00:47:59,234 --> 00:48:04,034
unable to imagin even doing
harm to any person or animal
820
00:48:04,058 --> 00:48:08,858
however they liked to eat well,
drink and even smoke sometimes
821
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,000
They liked to play tennis and play
musical instruments such as the violin
822
00:48:14,024 --> 00:48:18,024
it was their decision to
keep this story a secret
823
00:48:18,048 --> 00:48:22,048
even though on some occasions
news about their activity came out
824
00:48:22,072 --> 00:48:25,072
the news was vague and uncertain
825
00:48:25,096 --> 00:48:29,096
According to Stefano Breccia
there were many who suspected
826
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,120
that something was happening but
827
00:48:31,144 --> 00:48:35,144
no one outside the group could
imagine how great and deep
828
00:48:35,168 --> 00:48:38,168
the contact with
extraterrestrial beings was
829
00:48:38,192 --> 00:48:42,192
One of the participants who
prefers to remain anonymous
830
00:48:42,216 --> 00:48:45,216
confessed to the researcher Nicola Duper
831
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:50,740
that in 2008 there were 200 beings
from the group that was called w56
832
00:48:51,064 --> 00:48:56,564
The w because it meant
life and the 56 for the year
833
00:48:56,588 --> 00:48:58,588
in which the contact was made
834
00:48:58,612 --> 00:49:03,612
a disk is not generally used for
travel but as a mobile laboratory
835
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,400
it is also important to
know that a ship is built and
836
00:49:08,424 --> 00:49:13,424
disassembled at the end of
the task which it was made for
837
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:19,100
a ship is not a single block but
rather more parts held together
838
00:49:19,124 --> 00:49:23,124
by a force that can be
defined as gravitational
839
00:49:23,148 --> 00:49:27,348
for the humans sometimes it
is not easy to define the type
840
00:49:27,372 --> 00:49:30,372
of technology used by these beings
841
00:49:30,396 --> 00:49:34,396
The technology and every
part of it is so advanced
842
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:37,420
this it is not conceivable for the poor
843
00:49:37,444 --> 00:49:41,444
Earthlings who struggle to
understand the simplest of things
844
00:49:41,468 --> 00:49:46,968
without complete success
in most cases, another but
845
00:49:46,992 --> 00:49:50,992
very important curiosity, is
that a spacecraft of this type
846
00:49:51,016 --> 00:49:56,816
But also all the others, even
large ones, are built with iron
847
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,840
what we ofter call synthesized
848
00:49:59,864 --> 00:50:03,864
in fact, a small ship like
the one in the photo above
849
00:50:03,888 --> 00:50:07,888
weighs around 15 to 20 tons of iron
850
00:50:08,712 --> 00:50:13,212
The iron that w56 uses is
no different from what we use
851
00:50:13,236 --> 00:50:17,736
except in a quality
inaccessible to us for now
852
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,560
This iron is of the polarized
type, therefore it is capable of
853
00:50:22,584 --> 00:50:27,584
of offering qualities that no amorphous
iron can possess
854
00:50:27,608 --> 00:50:31,608
amorphous, is an electric
abnormality on the atomic level
855
00:50:31,632 --> 00:50:36,132
the amorphous solid, is
a solid that has no form
856
00:50:36,156 --> 00:50:40,156
of its own and lacks
crystaline lattice structure
857
00:50:40,180 --> 00:50:43,180
with a long-range order
of positioned atoms
858
00:50:43,204 --> 00:50:48,304
solids in which there is a long-range
atomic order called crystalline solids
859
00:50:48,328 --> 00:50:56,128
crystalline material metals are difficult
to prepare in an amorphous condition
860
00:50:56,152 --> 00:51:01,552
the solidification process
generally has to be done very quickly
861
00:51:01,576 --> 00:51:06,376
unless the material has a high
melting temperature like ceramic
862
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,400
or a low level of crystallization
863
00:51:10,424 --> 00:51:14,924
what usually happens
with polymers, in the iron from w56
864
00:51:14,948 --> 00:51:18,748
it has crystaline lattice structure
865
00:51:18,772 --> 00:51:22,772
this type of iron is not a thermal
conductor, nor an electric conductor
866
00:51:22,796 --> 00:51:24,796
it is non-magnetic and radiation resistant
867
00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:29,320
But it can be made
transparent by applying an
868
00:51:29,344 --> 00:51:33,344
electromagnetic field
at a certain power level
869
00:51:33,568 --> 00:51:38,568
this peculiarity in fact
explains why flying saucers
870
00:51:38,592 --> 00:51:42,592
are sometimes invisible during sightings
871
00:51:42,616 --> 00:51:46,616
There is more, the transparent
surface can be unilateral
872
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,640
that is only from the
inside out or bilateral
873
00:51:50,664 --> 00:51:54,664
that is from the outside in
and vice versa and in that case
874
00:51:54,688 --> 00:51:58,688
you can see a disk like this
875
00:51:58,712 --> 00:52:02,712
Regarding the bases of these
beings, according to Stefano Breccia
876
00:52:02,736 --> 00:52:07,236
it was widely said that the aliens of w56
877
00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:12,060
had built a huge, very deep
and practical underground base
878
00:52:12,084 --> 00:52:14,584
located at the bottom
of the continental mass
879
00:52:14,608 --> 00:52:18,908
and many more typically
small ones at shallow depths
880
00:52:18,932 --> 00:52:23,932
the large base was a point of
reference for all their European activities
881
00:52:23,956 --> 00:52:27,706
and normally it was
housing machinery
882
00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:31,330
the smaller bases were
used as places for living
883
00:52:31,354 --> 00:52:34,754
they said that they had other
bases withing our solar system
884
00:52:34,778 --> 00:52:37,478
but they were not stable structures
885
00:52:37,502 --> 00:52:42,352
Actually generating or destroying
a base was a very simple process for them
886
00:52:42,376 --> 00:52:47,876
let's think of two linear magnets
initially parallel to eachother
887
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:52,550
rotating one of them around its
center of gravity the lines of force
888
00:52:52,574 --> 00:52:56,574
will become more and
more intertwined as the angle
889
00:52:56,598 --> 00:53:00,598
between the magnets
increases after a critical attraction
890
00:53:00,622 --> 00:53:05,222
the lines of force of the magnetic field
will change abruptly, arranging themselves
891
00:53:05,246 --> 00:53:09,246
in a new arrangement that
prevents them from twisting too much
892
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:14,370
Our friends, on the other hand, were able
to generate what they called a magnetic rope
893
00:53:14,394 --> 00:53:18,394
that is, a structure where
the lines of force were
894
00:53:18,418 --> 00:53:22,418
stricly twisted around each other
895
00:53:22,442 --> 00:53:26,442
Such effect had the ability
of opening the matter,
896
00:53:26,466 --> 00:53:30,466
compressing it sideways,
crushing it on itself
897
00:53:30,490 --> 00:53:34,490
translucent walls were almost
crystalline with an astronomical density
898
00:53:34,514 --> 00:53:39,514
an equally high modulus of longitudinal
elasticity and an incredible force
899
00:53:39,538 --> 00:53:45,038
were thus able to open the cavities
that would become their bases
900
00:53:45,062 --> 00:53:49,462
obviously without damaging
in any way the tectonic
901
00:53:49,486 --> 00:53:52,186
structures that surrounded
it, on the contrary
902
00:53:53,010 --> 00:53:57,010
probably by strengthening them,
said structure remained stable as long
903
00:53:57,034 --> 00:53:59,834
as the fields that generated it were active
904
00:53:59,858 --> 00:54:03,858
it was enough to turn off
these fields with click of a button
905
00:54:03,882 --> 00:54:07,682
to immediately return the
matter back to it's original form
906
00:54:07,706 --> 00:54:11,706
similarly they were opening passages to
access their bases when they needed them
907
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:20,730
closing them immediately when they were no
longer in use, rarely with very small bases
908
00:54:20,754 --> 00:54:24,754
Just below the ground stable corridors were
used in the large bases where also large
909
00:54:24,978 --> 00:54:33,178
ships generally in orbit around our
sun aligned with respect to the ecliptic
910
00:54:33,702 --> 00:54:37,702
at first it seems that there
were three different races
911
00:54:37,726 --> 00:54:42,926
the redheads, the copper-haired
people, the black-haired people
912
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:49,950
more similar to our indians today,
the third race had greenish-white hair
913
00:54:49,974 --> 00:54:53,974
by the way their skin was
colored similar to their hair
914
00:54:53,998 --> 00:54:57,998
these three races have evolved together
with the passage of time they began
915
00:54:58,122 --> 00:55:06,122
to reproduce between eachother
so that a new race was born
916
00:55:06,346 --> 00:55:12,046
before dying Bruno Sammaciccia told
us some of the most important messages
917
00:55:12,070 --> 00:55:17,070
he had received from the beings called w56
918
00:55:17,094 --> 00:55:19,794
the first words they said were
919
00:55:19,818 --> 00:55:24,318
"this land was made for
good but the men who inhabit it"
920
00:55:24,342 --> 00:55:27,342
"are transforming everything into evil"
921
00:55:27,366 --> 00:55:30,366
"we are not here to conquer,
we have nothing to overcome"
922
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:34,390
"our interests arise from the fact that"
923
00:55:34,414 --> 00:55:37,414
"your land is within our stars"
924
00:55:37,438 --> 00:55:41,438
Gaspare De Lama participated
in the amicizia project
925
00:55:41,462 --> 00:55:45,462
between 1960 and 1965, I
kept secret some of the evidence
926
00:55:45,486 --> 00:55:49,486
that proves that the case really happened
927
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:53,510
as the witnesses have assured
928
00:55:53,534 --> 00:55:57,834
Gaspare, because of his closeness
to Bruno Samaciccia, the leader of the
929
00:55:57,858 --> 00:56:01,858
group of humans in Italy,
received photographs and
930
00:56:01,882 --> 00:56:04,882
made some of the films that still exist
931
00:56:04,915 --> 00:56:08,915
Here I am as a young man,
41 years of age, here is Bruno
932
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,639
Sammaciccia? Sammaciccia
933
00:56:15,063 --> 00:56:21,563
in the little green garden
of the village Montesilvano
934
00:56:21,587 --> 00:56:27,587
he always told me, "Don't betray
your memories" It is written in the photo
935
00:56:27,611 --> 00:56:31,620
Gaspare agreed to show
some of the 8mm photographs
936
00:56:31,644 --> 00:56:35,644
and films that he still
has in his possession
937
00:56:35,668 --> 00:56:40,668
do you see this black part here? we called
this "Penachito" this is a small model
938
00:56:40,692 --> 00:56:45,692
of about 4 meters this is model
939
00:56:45,716 --> 00:56:50,716
it was remotely controlled
940
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,440
it does not require a crew member
941
00:57:00,064 --> 00:57:04,064
It had a small detector that
we called "the little mouse"
942
00:57:04,488 --> 00:57:12,488
in additon to the video, we also took
pictures of this craft, it was a kind of...
943
00:57:12,812 --> 00:57:17,812
now I speak in an incorrect non-scientific
way, it was a kind of energy that condenses
944
00:57:17,836 --> 00:57:22,836
I saw that it was on the surface, I
don't know what kind of energy it was
945
00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:27,860
It is in an irregular way, here you
see it and here it does not come off
946
00:57:27,884 --> 00:57:32,884
in these photos the energy appears
and dissappears, in the same disk
947
00:57:32,908 --> 00:57:38,008
this disk followed us until we
got close to Milan in these photos
948
00:57:38,032 --> 00:57:43,032
we are taking this photo from an open field
949
00:57:43,056 --> 00:57:51,056
we had an appointment with this disk
950
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:59,080
by the w56 to record
it with photos and film
951
00:57:59,104 --> 00:58:06,104
This disk here, it was a gift
from them to me, they said
952
00:58:06,128 --> 00:58:14,128
"you will see the technology we have"
953
00:58:14,752 --> 00:58:19,752
They lived most of their time in
their huge underground bases but
954
00:58:19,776 --> 00:58:24,776
some of them lived among
us within our society playing
955
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,800
all kinds of roles in the world
956
00:58:27,824 --> 00:58:33,824
One was a university researcher,
another the managing director of a fairly
957
00:58:33,848 --> 00:58:36,648
important textile company
in the center of Italy
958
00:58:36,872 --> 00:58:41,872
a third was a senior manager at one of
the largest German telecommunications
959
00:58:41,896 --> 00:58:46,896
companies names T.L.C
960
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:52,920
But the most important difference between
all the contact stories that can be read
961
00:58:52,944 --> 00:58:56,944
is the role that we Earthlings play in
the eyes of our counterparts from off world
962
00:58:56,968 --> 00:59:01,968
this was expressed many times that
we inhabitants of this distressed planet
963
00:59:01,992 --> 00:59:08,992
enjoy unique psychic abilities
while we are unaware of it
964
00:59:09,416 --> 00:59:15,416
the w56 said this ability was one
of the main reasons they came here
965
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,440
"often it was even fun for us to
watch these people with such"
966
00:59:19,464 --> 00:59:23,464
"fantastic technology by their side"
967
00:59:23,688 --> 00:59:28,688
"begging our help in particular
operations against their enemies"
968
00:59:28,712 --> 00:59:32,712
and when the story came to an abrupt end
969
00:59:32,736 --> 00:59:34,736
it was because of a failure on our part
970
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,760
when most of the earthlings got
scared or simply fooled by the enemy
971
00:59:38,784 --> 00:59:44,784
then we stopped supporting the w56
friends, this development was enough
972
00:59:44,808 --> 00:59:48,808
to endanger them by reducing
their superiority against their enemies
973
00:59:48,832 --> 00:59:52,832
they had to stop their operations
here and retreat to their origins
974
00:59:52,856 --> 00:59:57,856
however they promised
to return in the future
975
00:59:59,380 --> 01:00:03,380
in a surprising way, Emelio
appeared at an event where
976
01:00:03,404 --> 01:00:07,404
Piere Giorgio Caria and
Jaime Maussan would present
977
01:00:07,428 --> 01:00:08,928
evidence of their research
978
01:00:09,152 --> 01:00:14,652
and agreed after having repeatedly
refused to discuss the amicizia case
979
01:00:14,676 --> 01:00:19,676
Piere: the amicizia case is true,
there are people who have
980
01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:23,700
traveled from another world
981
01:00:23,724 --> 01:00:27,724
it is not true that they left in 1978
982
01:00:27,748 --> 01:00:31,748
because a small group is still here
983
01:00:31,772 --> 01:00:36,772
the basis of this story is true
but not very pleasant things
984
01:00:36,796 --> 01:00:41,796
have happened in the
sense of human relationships
985
01:00:41,820 --> 01:00:49,820
humans know themselves, it is not
defined by materialism and spirituality
986
01:00:49,844 --> 01:00:54,844
Gaspare was the only one left in the group
987
01:00:54,868 --> 01:01:00,868
I decided to stay, because I felt this way
988
01:01:00,892 --> 01:01:05,892
the amicizia case, it
is truely extraordinary
989
01:01:05,916 --> 01:01:09,916
things have happened and they are true.
990
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:13,940
have you learned the way
of my friend's teachings?
991
01:01:13,964 --> 01:01:17,964
there are three types of
writings, one of the blue people
992
01:01:17,988 --> 01:01:21,988
another of the giants
993
01:01:22,012 --> 01:01:24,012
and another of the dwarfs
994
01:01:24,036 --> 01:01:28,036
it is something similar to an alphabet
995
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:32,060
which I have been able to learn
996
01:01:32,084 --> 01:01:38,084
because I have an unusual sensitivity
997
01:01:41,308 --> 01:01:44,308
this is how I was able
to read their writings
998
01:01:44,308 --> 01:01:48,308
do you understand them completely
or is this how you interpret them?
999
01:01:48,332 --> 01:01:54,332
that's right, Bruno replied to
me a lot because he has seen
1000
01:01:54,456 --> 01:02:00,456
me speak to them in their own language
1001
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,480
they haven't spoken to many others
1002
01:02:05,573 --> 01:02:11,573
Bruno told me one thing within the
framework of laws
1003
01:02:12,997 --> 01:02:18,997
of his federation, what we could call
cosmic laws, something that they lived by
1004
01:02:19,021 --> 01:02:25,021
otherwise we would be worse
off, but we agreed that they would not
1005
01:02:25,045 --> 01:02:28,045
intervene with our history
1006
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:34,069
There are laws where if you want
something sooner or later, this is achieved
1007
01:02:34,093 --> 01:02:38,993
without intervention
1008
01:02:39,017 --> 01:02:47,017
but I think, and I feel that they can
intervene, I don't know in what way though
1009
01:02:47,041 --> 01:02:52,041
very light intervention and
1010
01:02:52,065 --> 01:02:58,065
within the
limits in which they can be accepted
1011
01:02:58,065 --> 01:03:04,065
they need the presence of a
1012
01:03:04,089 --> 01:03:09,089
significant number of the population
1013
01:03:09,113 --> 01:03:14,113
like when a teacher
arrives who was summoned
1014
01:03:14,137 --> 01:03:20,137
and a god or supreme being
1015
01:03:20,161 --> 01:03:24,161
gives the people what they need
1016
01:03:24,185 --> 01:03:29,185
I think a significant mass is required
1017
01:03:29,209 --> 01:03:34,209
they will then act at the
limit of their intervention
1018
01:03:34,233 --> 01:03:38,233
without intervening with our freedom
1019
01:03:38,257 --> 01:03:43,257
as when you are a child and they tell you
1020
01:03:43,281 --> 01:03:48,281
that you should not
touch that electrical outlet
1021
01:03:48,305 --> 01:03:52,305
but the second time,
the child know that he
1022
01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:56,329
should not touch it for his own good
1023
01:03:58,140 --> 01:04:02,140
I remember that on the
day that I was with Jaime Maussan
1024
01:04:02,164 --> 01:04:07,164
and Joseph Garofalo, they were
very important collaborators of mine
1025
01:04:07,188 --> 01:04:11,188
Garofalo was a very
capable computer analyst
1026
01:04:11,212 --> 01:04:16,212
with which we analyzed the
photographs and videos of amicizia
1027
01:04:16,236 --> 01:04:23,236
and we were going with
Jaime and Garofalo to the city
1028
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:26,260
where the house of the
Virgin Mary is located
1029
01:04:26,284 --> 01:04:31,284
the city of Loretto that
was transpired there
1030
01:04:31,308 --> 01:04:36,308
tells the story by the angels
and while we were on the road
1031
01:04:36,332 --> 01:04:40,232
on the highway Garofalo watched
1032
01:04:40,256 --> 01:04:46,256
he saw that we were followed
by a saucer and unfortunately
1033
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,280
he was able to record video at the
moment when the saucer was already very
1034
01:04:51,304 --> 01:04:55,304
far away, but by analyzing this video
1035
01:04:55,328 --> 01:05:02,328
the object is very similar
to the amicizia objects
1036
01:05:02,352 --> 01:05:08,352
greet us? we do not know but it is another
interesting fact that we can add to this
1037
01:05:08,376 --> 01:05:11,576
incredible story, maybe
another will come out
1038
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,600
but not until today
1039
01:05:13,624 --> 01:05:17,624
at least as I already said
about another protagonist
1040
01:05:17,648 --> 01:05:22,648
who is Emilio, he did
not accept to go out to
1041
01:05:22,672 --> 01:05:27,672
the public and gave us an
interview, he is also very old but
1042
01:05:27,696 --> 01:05:30,696
perhaps in the future
other material will come out
1043
01:05:30,742 --> 01:05:34,740
- They know, the security agencies know
1044
01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:39,740
that sooner or later one of
these cases is gonna go out.
1045
01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:44,060
It's gonna be on YouTube
and it's gonna be recorded
1046
01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:47,170
by different people at the same time.
1047
01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:48,860
Just consider for one second.
1048
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:53,040
if the Zimbabwe incident
in September, 1994
1049
01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:57,530
if this happens now with all the kids
1050
01:05:57,530 --> 01:06:00,600
with a cell phone, with a camera.
1051
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,830
Can you imagine five, 10
kids recording the same
1052
01:06:03,830 --> 01:06:07,790
extraterrestrials
presenting them the same day
1053
01:06:07,790 --> 01:06:12,010
in the afternoon on YouTube
all around the world?
1054
01:06:12,010 --> 01:06:15,010
How could you describe this?
1055
01:06:15,010 --> 01:06:19,400
The agencies are ready to give up.
1056
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,170
You have to remember John Podesta talking
1057
01:06:23,810 --> 01:06:26,840
where he said he wrote in a tweet,
1058
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,950
the only thing that I regret working
1059
01:06:29,950 --> 01:06:34,950
for Obama is that I could
not open the ET phenomenon.
1060
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:41,020
And he became the manager, the chief
1061
01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:44,223
of the campaign of Hillary Clinton.
1062
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:50,030
And she said, "I'm going to open this."
1063
01:06:50,030 --> 01:06:52,410
And I was rooting for her
1064
01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:56,020
because I knew she was gonna do it.
1065
01:06:56,020 --> 01:07:00,890
I know the Pentagon, I know
the military were ready
1066
01:07:00,890 --> 01:07:04,690
because they cannot keep
these secrets so much longer.
1067
01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:09,480
One of these days it's gonna
come up, it's gonna blow.
1068
01:07:10,628 --> 01:07:15,628
The Chinese now have an
incredible radio telescope
1069
01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:20,810
for one kilometer in
diameter, something like that.
1070
01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:23,510
And they are looking for
signals and they are looking
1071
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:26,590
and everyone, everyone is
looking for life there.
1072
01:07:26,590 --> 01:07:29,400
Europeans, the Indians, everyone.
1073
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,750
This is changing so fast.
1074
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:35,286
You are gonna have the big telescopes
1075
01:07:35,286 --> 01:07:40,286
like ALMA in Chile or other
telescopes are gonna look
1076
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:47,220
to the infrastructure
of different planets.
1077
01:07:47,220 --> 01:07:49,000
They're gonna look for cities.
1078
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,303
They're gonna look for
satellites around the planets.
1079
01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:57,050
The James Webb telescope that is gonna be
1080
01:07:57,050 --> 01:08:02,050
on orbit on 2020 or '21 is
gonna look for infrastructure.
1081
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,000
There is not much time for the agencies.
1082
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,630
They have to open.
1083
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:12,970
The first try was on December 16th, 2017
1084
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:19,470
when The New York Times
presented this information
1085
01:08:19,550 --> 01:08:24,282
and Luis Elizondo from the
Pentagon came up and said,
1086
01:08:24,282 --> 01:08:27,860
"I'm resigning there because
I want this to be open"
1087
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:30,850
and they presented
three incredible videos.
1088
01:08:30,850 --> 01:08:33,760
And nobody has been
able to discredit that.
1089
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:34,930
Nobody.
1090
01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:36,160
Then what happens?
1091
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,930
We have the evidence right there.
1092
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:41,980
It's the first time they tried something.
1093
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:46,053
And we know there are people
investigating materials.
1094
01:08:47,713 --> 01:08:52,713
And I think very soon we will
have a big surprise coming
1095
01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:57,590
from the agencies.
1096
01:08:57,590 --> 01:09:00,750
They better do because one of these days
1097
01:09:00,750 --> 01:09:03,540
there is gonna be a case
that they won't be able
1098
01:09:03,540 --> 01:09:06,353
to control as they did in the past.
1099
01:09:06,353 --> 01:09:12,853
other material, other people, I
know they exist, that some of them
1100
01:09:12,877 --> 01:09:20,377
are alive but it is a hope
more than a certainty
1101
01:09:21,432 --> 01:09:24,349
(mysterious music)
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