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medical authority hello everyone and

welcome to episode number 157 of the

better health guy blog cast series

today's guest is dr isaac elias and the

topic of the show is the survival

paradox dr isaac elias is a recognized

expert in the field of integrative

medicine focusing on cancer and complex

conditions he is a respected clinician

researcher author educator and mind body

practitioner dr elias partners with

leading research institutes including

harvard national institutes of health

and columbia to co-author scientific

studies on today's most serious

conditions he has spent decades studying

meditation with an emphasis on healing

and deepening the mind-body connection

dr elias is the founder and medical

director of amitabha medical clinic and

healing center in santa rosa california

and now my interview with dr isaac

elias

dr elias and i had an earlier discussion

in episode 54 nearly four years ago now

i am super excited today to talk with

him about his new book the survival

paradox reversing the hidden cause of

aging and chronic disease which has

already garnered rave reviews from

deepak chopra dr josh axe and many

others thanks so much for being here

today dr elias thank you thank you for

inviting me it's always such a treat to

talk to you you as well

as much as our body's ability to survive

is critical isn't being in a survival

mode or surviving at any cost isn't that

a major contributor to the poor state of

health and the epidemic of chronic

illness that many experience today and

what is it about this period in time

that seems to keep so many of us in this

constant survival mode

yeah you know this is really

the survival paradox whatever what the

same mechanism that allows us to survive

is what really gets us sick

and to take a step back we know in

integrative medicine for decades that

inflammation drives practically every

chronic disease and also

detrimental outcomes of acute diseases

like the cytokine storm in covid

but

and i think that the coverage really

brought inflammation to the forefront of

conventional medicine

but israel inflammation that cause

inflammation is really the movement it's

the result what really drives

inflammation is our survival response

and that's really the paradigm shift

contribution of the book which is a

result of decades of

of researching clinical work in in

meditation and contemplation so what do

i mean

the survival paradox is innate within us

because it's built within us you know

every living being every cell wants to

survive

so if it's so innate within us it has to

be automated and it's automated through

our autonomic nervous system which is

autonomic we can't control it so the

sympathetic response

respon responds in second the

sympathetic system maybe in a fraction

of a second and then it's balanced

by the parasympathetic response but if

we are on a sympathetic drive if we are

constantly under stress under drive

under threat it will have detrimental

effect on our neuroendocrine system

immune system etc

the problem is also a biochemical

survival response and this biochemical

survival response is driven

biochemically

and it's a group very big topic for the

survival product it's more than just

health it's driven by our survival

protein galactin three and galactic

three rises very very quickly

and i've done a lot of research on this

and published some very important papers

lately so what happened

the survival protein our alarm doesn't

need to have a big effect it's enough

that it goes up by 50

25

and you get an avalanche of cascade of

interlocking six going up one thousand

fold

so

the same thing that started the survival

response doesn't turn off and this

practically affects

every chronic disease

every acute disease from cancer total

immunity to biofilm to infections to

name it and that's why it's such a big

topic

so being in then this state of

sympathetic dominance stress hormones

like adrenaline noradrenaline cortisol

they can impact our immune system they

affect our metabolic function how does

that sympathetic dominance drive poor

health and what we might call dis-ease

it drives us because it puts us into a

survival mode now our body is built to

be in a survival mode

and to do this we have to produce energy

in a much more efficient way because we

are in survival so we are able to

produce energy 100 times faster we do it

by shifting

from normal

peaceful balanced

mitochondrial function to glycolysis

where we produce energy 100 times faster

but at a heavy cost right every glucose

produces only two molecules of atp

instead of 36

the end result is lactic acid

hypoxia in the cell that pushes a

a

a compound called

hypoxia-inducing factor that blocks

it enhances an enzyme called the

pdk blocks pdh and we shut down the

mitochondria so this is a mechanism in

stress there's a mechanism in diabetes

that's a mechanism in inflammatory

diseases that's a mechanism in cancer

even if there is enough oxygen in the

body the warburg effect

and this

mechanism for example we'll talk about

later

just to kind of

get get us aware of it this mechanism of

shifting into one being stimulated ampk

being abnormal and these are all the

same pathways is very present in lyme

disease

that's why you can look at certain

botanicals like honokiol have a major

shift into a sympathetic through

parasympathetic by moving from glutamate

to gaba

and also has an enormous

anti-infectious benefits while balancing

our metabolic system so the body is

smart the body needs to survive at

any cost

and one thing that is very important and

we'll talk more about it later today

hope is it we have to appreciate the

body wants to survive the body will

always do the best it can at the moment

it may not be

the right thing an hour later a week

later a year later a generation later

you say that when we are faced with

something like a cancer diagnosis that

fear anxiety and panic the part of that

survival response that those actually

feed the cancer that we need to

essentially become that person who and

you say quote inhales the smoke from

their burning house deeply while staying

calm and positive so how do you guide

your patients to be able to do this how

do we stay

calm and positive breathing in deeply

when the house around us feels like it's

burning down

so in the book in the survival paradox

where i give a chapter one i give an

example of of a woman who survived for

many years with metastatic lung cancer i

actually say that it's hard to ask

somebody to relax when the house is on

fire

so we have to reduce the fire and that's

the value of detoxification of changing

habits

so

transforming the survival paradox

is a life journey

it's a life journey that never stops

and keeps up unfolding and it's amazing

it's really when we are starting to

learn how to transform and actually how

to free the survival products then we

have a greater

quality of freedom in our life we are

less bound we are less constricted

and you know we'll go into in greater

depth into a little bit later but the

result is there's more space when

there's more space

everything moves slower you know

you know from a physical point of view

speed

is distance divided by time

when the space becomes

bigger we have a senate everything is

moving slower

so things move slower we can take a deep

breath

things slow down our metabolic system

changes so now i'm focusing on medically

of course but the same thing happened in

our mind and we'll get to it later

because

you have some great

great things you brought up before the

interview that i really want to

elaborate on i don't want to spoil and

touch on it now you know it's it's funny

that you mentioned you know taking a

deep breath because even just listening

to you talking that's exactly what

happened even before you said taking a

deep breath i was already as you were

talking about creating space i was

already feeling calmer and more centered

and grounded and so this is a fun

conversation

you connect a lack of feeling safe to a

metabolic shift that changes oxygen

levels in the body i think for many

people in the lime and mold and other

conditions that that feeling safe in the

world feeling safe in our environment is

something that is really important that

we often don't feel safe and so i want

to talk a little bit more about how does

a low oxygen environment create

a terrain not only for cancer but for

chronic infections like lyme disease

like co-infections and if we're in that

hypoxic or low oxygen state due to not

feeling safe what are some of the tools

that we can use that can lead us to

feeling safer and then while we're doing

that deeper work can we also benefit

from maybe some

physical interventions that can address

hypoxia while we're learning how to be

more parasympathetic learning how to

create more space

yeah i mean this is really this is the

whole healing process you just described

so just for

people who are listening or watching if

you hold your breath

and at certain point you feel like you

don't have enough air and you keep

holding you're gonna get tight you're

gonna feel a real crisis

that's the concept of not being able to

take a deep breath

so

one of the issues for example when i

when i work with cancer patient i try to

find out

what is the reason that they cannot take

a deep breath because if the cancer

patient in the cancer cell if the cancer

cell took a deep breath

and had normal oxygen functioning

the glycolysis aerobic glycolysis will

just

melt down and the cell will turn into a

normal cell

so we have this idea so when we are

under stress and we're under danger when

you don't feel safe there are a few

things we can do

one is we can fight

so fight is our inflammatory response

now it's very

very important

to

identify each

person will have a tendency to go in a

certain direction so people for example

have

a tendency to fight the c reactive

protein will be higher the interlakens

will be higher they are fighting people

they raise they'll have stronger

resistance

and then there are people who will run

away they will flee away

right this is the fear and there are

people that hide

how do we hide

we hide one by

not

acknowledging that there is an issue

kind of pushing it away and by creating

a coating around ourselves

by boxing ourselves how do we call it

medically we call it biofilm

so if you look at the lyme patient and

the mold patient they are often i don't

want to know to stereotype but often

these are very sweet kind people who

don't have strong boundaries

don't give strong bodies they get

affected by the outside they get

affected by allergies they get affected

by mold they get affected by infectious

agents more than other people because

there are boundaries between their

defense system and the outside is not

is not

is not

is not strong enough so for example if

you look at these people you will see

that the three reactive protein will be

low

but the tgf better will be very high

because they are producing fibrotic

markers and not inflammatory markers in

fact sometimes our galactic three will

be abnormally low

and when you treat them the galactic

insulin will come up a little bit to

normal crp will come from non-detectable

to like 0.3 and tgf better will drop

and that's when i know that the patient

is doing better and from my perspective

i can diagnose you know a tick-borne

disease just by the ratio of of these

labs many times

so

for the mold for the lime people we need

to really be able to melt the biofilm

but to melt the biofilm

we need to be able to deal with what's

out there and be able to clean it up and

that's why detox is a profound process

that is over

it often is called overlook

in the name of different methods and

techniques and we really don't

understand what detox is detox is the

first step

in creating a change when we come to

this world what is the first thing that

we do

we take a cry we inhale we exhale right

we let go

we detox what is the last thing that we

do in this world

we exhale and we leave our body

so we are

now when you detoxify you create space

because you clear some and the space

allows for nourishment

so really once you detoxify you can

afford

the process of transformation that will

bring

eventually healing so for example in the

book you see in the end there are three

chapters

detoxification which really introduces a

model of detoxification in a deeper way

all the details are in the appendix and

then healing the scars of survival

this is really where we shift

our survival patterns that you had some

great questions and i hope we get to

touch on them all and then we can go

into transforming and freeing the

survival paradox which is done through

our mind through meditation so

connecting with our heart

so

when we can do this

and

when we can do this we really can create

a change so if we look at people who

have mold sensitivity or lyme or lyme

disease

they have often repeated symptoms right

they kind of flare up they get better

their flare-ups so their being

has learned to expect

step number two when step number one

happens they create a certain pattern

that they repeat

for example they have a certain symptom

the patient will associate it to

something happening to them i just had a

mold exposure now i'm going to get the

next symptom and then it goes we need to

change

these habits we need to mail them away

and this is part of our

and this is really part of

changing the survival response

transforming the survival paradox

and once we connect to it

in the most authentic way

then we tap into our infinite healing

potential we do have infinite evening

potential one of my most

the senses i like to say

my one of my favorite ones when i teach

meditation and healing is not everyone

is going to be a miracle but anyone can

be a miracle

and

i see it very dramatically with patients

with mold with severe mold sensitivity

when you are able to really reduce their

burden

and create an opening for them they can

really shift

i love in the book how you go into

detail about a lot of these tools we can

use in this realm meditation breath work

acupuncture

osteopathic work or cranial work even

using sound and visualization and tools

like that i want to talk a little bit

about the limbic system and so in my

mind the limbic system is the safety

center the alarm switch in the brain

that really is looking for is the

environment around us safe and when we

have limbic system impairment i think of

that then as having a hyper vigilant

alarm center that is constantly raising

an unnecessary red flag constantly

raising this unnecessary alarm and so

i'm wondering if you have used tools

like annie hopper's dnrs or ash

shotgupta's the gupta program and have

you found those helpful in being able to

make that shift out of survival and into

what you term harmony

so what you are describing is exactly

the survival paradox

where we get caught in a certain pattern

of survival

in my book i share a few i share my own

story

uh

my name i'm named after my grandfather

who was a holocaust survivor

and he came

he fled with my grandmother and my

mother which was four years old and he

died from stomach cancer at age 50

i think in 1952

and when my grandmother was a real

survivor died at age 98

in early 2000s

on on her grave my mother suddenly said

you know if he was buried next to my

grandfather my mother said you know your

grandfather had eight siblings five of

them were killed by hitler

this was never mentioned to us never

mentioned

and

because this was like put aside and this

is what he carried he couldn't digest it

in his stomach

and from i'm named after him i'm the

first child the first one in the next

generation of holocaust survivor and

since very early age despite doing much

martial arts and you're being a yoga

teacher i always had pressure in my

middle of my chest when i would touch i

mean i mean you can't see it if i stood

up you'll see like right here

it would always be extremely tender and

i knew that there is a deeper meaning

with it

and through my work so my meditation

works on my healing through the

transformation of patterns

i was able to connect with the holocaust

trauma that i was carrying from my

grandfather through epigenetics

and genetics

and a few years ago when i really

released it it's gone you know if you

look my chest is open now like it has

never been in my life this is scott

60 years later you know when i scoliosis

it totally opened but the amazing thing

when i transformed it

my mother

who could never watch tv programs about

the holocaust

was able to suddenly watch programs

without me mentioning to her

what i went through these are the

multi-generational healing so the limbic

system is one aspect of it

and these systems i mean

bruce eckhart has a remarkable neuro

psychological system called memory

reconsolidation

where you really change your memory

patterns

in integrative medicine it's about

healing the scars of survival so we heal

them psychologically we heal them

mentally we will them and we heal them

emotionally and we heal them physically

so for example

neural therapy you know dr klinger is

that is really brought into this country

it's an amazing system

you go and so i use it with homeopathic

with acupuncture with healing with my

bigger package

but

practically every

every patient that you inject a scar can

be 20 years old 30 40 50 years old scar

this car will always broken 45 minutes

of numbness and it's gone with some of

your pathetic but honestly it's probably

not a must

this car always gets smaller sometimes

by 10

sometimes by 60 70

but what's most amazing

it never comes back whatever you reduced

stay reduced how is this possible

so yeah people talk about membrane

potential they're getting lost in the

biochemistry basically you are cutting

the input

from the tissue to the limbic system to

the brain the narrow pathway that tells

the body contract there is a trauma

is numbed and the body regroups in a

different way

so psychologically it can be called

memory reconsolidation many systems

so we have to recognize in the book i go

over in depth into it so from my

perspective

it's very exciting that there are these

systems which are based on people with

their own healing experience

and

it deserves a word of warning okay when

somebody makes a system based on their

own experience it's always limited to

their own experience

and so if it didn't work for you it

doesn't mean that the approach

doesn't work

so

working with the mind

is like in

entering into a space that is

boundless boundless in time

and boundless in space

and i'm saying it as somebody who

was trained you know by the greatest

buddhist masters in the himalayas who

was their doctor who spent 10 years

during half day retreat 20 years two

months a year of retreat and continues

to study and practice every day and

teaches meditation and healing so

right now this whole approach of

reprogramming the limbic system is very

important why is it really relevant now

scott because we are under constant

state

of stress

so part of the melting of our fixation

of our habits

is melting

our isolation

melting our biofilm and what drives the

biofilm the skeleton of the biofilm is

galactin3 because it creates pentameters

into these pentameters you get all the

inflammatory compounds all the

other all the liposaccharides all the

oxidized glycolipids lycoprotein heavy

metals oxidize lipids and they create

this isolation this micro environment

where

mycotoxins can stay neurotoxins can hide

lime lime spores can hide viruses can

hide because everyone wants to survive

we want to survive and the spirochete

wants to survive

so when we melt this isolation

we give an opportunity for things to

change that's why for example a very

common feedback from lyme patient to

take a picture someone modifies it

respecting he says wow

we actually feel better when we are

doing it why because we are melting this

isolation we're not getting the regular

reactions you know

so yeah it's an amazing journey where

inflammation is just a symptom

you know it's really inflammation is the

movement inflammation is a kinetic

energy the survival response is really

what drives it and the big question is

where does the survival response come

from so let's dig into that more let's

talk more about galectin 3 then so in

the book you say the architect of the

survival response is galectin 3. we

talked about that in our prior interview

as well so how does this survival

protein lead to contraction to isolation

and to disease and can we think of

galectin iii as a measure of the state

of our alarm system or how hyper

vigilant our system is

yes so galactic 3 is our survival

protein it's a molecule that starts the

survival response that

embryonically it will help to generate

normal cells and during our life

it is it helps us to repair injuries and

survive through inflammation and

fibrosis so if you look at the role so

now we know that galactic 3 is a

causative factor we knew it's a

causative factor in the early mid 90s

when it was when when blocking it with

modified citrus pectin affected cancer

spread in animal models

and then

it got a lot of interest as a diagnostic

then i made some important discoveries

about its role in inflammation of

fibrosis and blocking it

and now it's clearly a causative factor

with a slew of

major papers so what happens if you look

at galactic three it's involved

practically it's got in every disease if

you look every organ

but interesting enough putting aside

cancer autoimmunity it is a big role in

infections in sepsis

i just published two landmark papers

with a large group of investigators one

of them considered the number one

uh expert ranked expert in the world in

sepsis aki from a critical care point of

view john kellum and we showed

that when we when when patients come to

the intensive care unit

with sepsis

with no pre-existing conditions no

pre-existing conditions so no

no kidney disease no heart disease no

cancer the level of galactin3 at time of

admission will determine who later on

will get acute kidney injury

and who will die

when we took the most acceptable animal

model which is called red

cl clp sickle

ligation puncture

we had over 60 mortality

when when we

during the during the process but when

we gave them the mcp a week before we

couldn't give it after

the mortality went down to 20 percent

the rise in interleukin-6 was completely

attenuated and we showed the same thing

in another aki model with with perfusion

injury like you don't get enough blood

and then the blood comes back very much

will happen right when you don't breathe

when there is no oxygen even for a short

time

so there are some amazing studies now

showing animal studies for example that

if you create an injury in the kidney

galactic 3 goes up it travels to the

heart

and it will create heart fibrosis damage

to the heart muscle

so for example so and

if you use mice that don't produce

galactin3 it will not happen or you

block it without mcp but

when you take such a mice we cannot

produce galactic three and you inject

bone marrow just bone marrow

who can produce galactin three the

injury in the kidneys will send a

message to the bone marrow the galactic

injury will then travel

to the heart and cause heart damage and

that's the kidney hard relationship that

so many people die from so in kovid

40 percent of patients hospitalized with

copper have aki

50 of them will die

so galactic 3 is the driver if you asked

me and it wasn't the same thing 15 20

years ago what is the most important

supplement everybody needs to take every

day of their life i will tell you with

no doubt not because i'm involved with

it modifies retrospective because

galactin3 drives aging and drive chronic

disease

and

drives this imbalanced cytokinesis

and addressing it if you have symptoms

and you don't have symptoms if is of

huge importance

so if we wanted to look at our level of

galectin 3 are the existing tests that

you can get through let's say lab core

for example are they sensitive enough

and is there a certain

range not necessarily out of range but a

more optimal range for supporting health

this is a great i can't tell you how

good is this question because the normal

levels

from lab coat are based on a study on

congestive heart failure

where abnormal is either above 17.8 or

above 22. when somebody is

when somebody has a galactic 3 or 17.8

you are really worried

so

as someone who probably tested more

galactic 3 than anyone

i'm less relying on galactic 3 for my

recommendation and the reason is

first of all they are different between

the different platforms if it's still a

manual platform or an automated platform

you get different levels i know it from

my experience but also because of the

different expression of mmp 9 of

metalloproteinases some people have more

pentameters and some people have more

monomers now the galactic 3 antibodies

m338 that reads galatians 3 level will

read one if there are five of them or

one of them

so you can have more monomers you'll get

a higher number of galactic three

but actually it's not that you have more

you know you're sorry you'll get a lower

number because five of them are already

as one so really

who should address galactic three every

one now when would you look at

collecting three

one

if you find elevated galactic three with

no explanation you've got to look for a

fibrotic or inflammatory process two

when you find that a patient's symptoms

relate to changes in galactic three

let's say cancer metastasizes more

galatian three goes up

they get better galactic3 goes down then

you can follow up on it

and three from a balancing act when you

look at galactic three in relationship

to crp

to tgf better

but basically

a addressing electing three is essential

because

it's really our starting molecule our

starting signal for so many diseases

it's a true

undressing galactic three is a true act

of supporting longevity

so does

reduction of galectin 3 through the use

of modified citrus pectin does that

commonly lead to a decline in tgf beta 1

as well oh yeah absolutely in fact

sometimes you will not see a reduction

in galactic in three

because

galactic three is not eliminated it is

just blocked by by by by modified

perspective so it cannot act the

pentamer gets broken down and you will

see a reduction in tgf better definitely

so if we talk more about these chronic

infections you talk about isolation

formations where galectin iii creates

these micro environments the pathogens

then can hijack galactan 3 to create a

shield that allows them to then evade

other therapeutic agents or

interventions or supplements or

antimicrobials

so is this different from a biofilm and

is it the case that galectin iii is

actually playing a role in the formation

of the biofilm

no galactic plays a critical role in the

formation of biofilm and we know it we

know that the bacteria uses galactin3 to

create a biofilm especially aggressive

bacteria and attach

to the intestinal wall for example we

know that

that modifies it respecting

enhances antibiotic

in this

cell cephalosporin it helps to fight

infections it's a prebiotic so

definitely galactin3 is the backbone of

the biofilm we pay attention to

different compounds but

it's really like it's really like the

bus that takes different compounds and

brings them to different places but

through the pentameter structure that we

know we know the structures through five

of them are touching through ligands and

creating this shield the galactans we

can create a micro environment that

allows a bacteria to survive and kovid

is a phenomenal example and

unfortunately i wrote when the corbet

started and i told people you gotta take

modifies it respecting

because it will regulate the cytokine

storm it has been my research for

decades

but remember the concept of the survivor

protein well guess what

the spiking protein of the kovid who

also wants to survive

is practically identical

to galactin three the n-terminal

so and where do we have the highest

density of galacto-3 receptors in the

body in our lungs

so

when you use something like modified to

prospecting you are reducing the

inflammatory response of infections such

as kobe

and you can also neutralize

galax is the spiking protein in general

and they were

we try to get clinical trials we're not

able because you know farmer controls

this field

but a very important paper from from

mexico city from a colleague of mine

that we did some research in harvard

when she was there we published some

papers she took a significant number of

patients who came to the er with corbyn

and regardless of this of the lung

involvement of how sick they were when

they came the the level of galactic

three at time of admission

determines the severity of the patient

who will go to the icu and who will die

same thing

so we have to remember we are not the

only ones who want to survive

covet want to survive our microbiome

wants to survive and that's the balance

between harmony

and fighting that's transforming the

survival paradox and that's the value of

the microbiome

looking at this at it from a point of

view of interdependent relationship

between all the

habitats of the microbiome some say up

to 100 trillion

and our body and ourselves there is a

mutual support there's a mutual you know

in hebrew we say

mutual guarantee

and this happens you know if you and so

it's very important in line you know my

approach if somebody has acute lyme

first i will use antibiotics but for

chronic lyme

the last thing i want to hear is that a

patient got antibiotic therapy because

you have put them in a defensive

survival mode these are patients are

very very hard to to heal and when i

talk about lime i talk about completely

healing like going back to life

because

if you didn't

disrupt the whole balance you have a

chance to get to harmony and it's not

that antibiotic won't help chronic

patients but they won't really

completely heal you see they get better

and then they relapse the real healers

are the ones who really didn't get

antibiotics

for too long

so this is a very important

understanding

and

we have to understand

our defense mechanism our boundaries

that we talked about and

the relationship

within our body and without our body and

i want to explain one word on this

you know we tend to overlook the fact

that we have i don't know why they say

37.5 let's round to 50. 50

trillion cells in our body it's got 50

trillion thousand

times thousand times thousand times

fifty

and each cell

has

i didn't know it you know how many we

actually need sellers every second

take okay between hundreds and thousands

and one million reactions a second can

you imagine

so you got 50 trillion with one million

reaction a second and the body works

together

because the cell know it has its role

it comes into life

it functions and then it lets go

right yet at the same time every cell

has a boundary every cell has a membrane

they decide what goes in and what goes

out and i'm going to expand on it it's

very important with with every disease

with that with a little bit of time the

mind and philosophy and spirituality and

physiology and health so

within this when a cell decides that it

doesn't want to die it goes into a

survival mode

and it says well how am i going to not

die i'm going to get a message to die

from the outside i'll create a micro

environment and i will create my own

colony and give myself my own blood

supply and attack the environment how do

we call it we call it cancer or it goes

and attack a distant organ

we call it autoimmune disease which you

write it's triggered by infections by

toxins by abnormal survival response so

in this sense

every organ if you look at our body down

to the cell

every cell wants to survive the cell

takes nourishment

and let's go of what it doesn't want

that's detoxification and nourishment

and in the changes in the membrane you

have transformation the only organ that

functions differently is our heart

the survival of the heart requires for

the heart to take everything that

everyone didn't want

all the byproducts

all the suffering all the negativity

from the cell that they don't want the

heart takes it it connects to the

universe with the breath

and the heart gives it without

discrimination what i mean without

discrimination

the aorta is a stiff

artery it gives blood everywhere and who

does the heart nourish its first

the heart first nourishes itself through

the coronary arteries so the heart

nourishes itself in order to nourish

others

and this part of nourishing others and

that's

the transformative role of the heart and

the reason why i want to plug it in this

moment

because this takes the work with the

limbic system to another level

because when you work with changing

habits and mental habits

which is very useful we look at the

movement of mindfulness mindfulness is

extremely beneficial because everybody

is

rushing

but mindfulness is a system of effort

there is somebody mindful of something

and every effort has a limitation

the heart flows with no limitations so

it's really the movement from

mindfulness to heartfulness

that allows us the true transformation

the true freedom

and that's

taking meditation to another level that

is not easy to come by

and for from this point of view

mindfulness is really create a great

basis for this and that's what we do

during during my retreats when i work

with people and you can see cancer

markers getting better you can see

traumas going away you can see

epigenetic effects melting your way

because everything changes all the time

that's really the amazing journey of

healing

one of my goals in doing this podcast is

to give people hope and so just kind of

predicting how some people might

interpret your comments about

antibiotics making it more difficult to

recover from chronic lyme i i think what

you're saying is if that's the sole

focus of your treatment then the chances

are you will ultimately relapse but if

you then start to incorporate a lot of

the tools that we're talking about in

this conversation look at things more

holistically i don't think you're

suggesting that because someone did

antibiotics that they cannot recover

correctly absolutely not absolutely not

i know no i don't think i ever told you

my tick-bone disease story

you know and

you know i mean i cannot mention it

because it kind of

so when i decided to come to california

to study chinese medicine in 1988 i came

to check chinese medicine school and we

went to clear lake the day before i flew

back with some friends

and

the next i've never been in clear like

since i think and the next morning

i said hey i want to meditate for an

hour outside then when i got on the

plane i had stiffneck

when i landed in israel i had 40 fever

104.

my liver enzymes were at the thousands

close to ten thousand

luckily one of my mentors in medical

school

amazing internist they had a nurse in

the icu with a rickettsial disease

they actually took a drop of my blood

and they did exactly did what you call

like dark field microscopy that you do

whole you know you actually do it in

medicine also and they recognize a rare

rickettsia called rickettsia konori

nobody in the 88 it wasn't documented

okay of course lyme was around nobody

knew

and i bet you had all the other diseases

and luckily for me

doxycycline for two weeks didn't work

so they gave me they gave me synthomycin

clearance and nicole which can suppress

the bone marrow it's not used anymore

it's illegal for two more weeks

and i think these four weeks

saved me and i remember i was so sick

not getting better you know people

thought what my god and then one of my

students

called me said isaac where's your mind

and i remember i just sat and i said a

switch and i snapped out of it and it

took me you know

15 years

that whenever i was stressed in a

survival mode

i would get scot this thirst where i

could re drink a gallon of water and it

won't be enough in flushing and could

fill the liver and you know and it

healed so

absolutely we always have choices no

matter what we have done we just have to

allow ourselves to explore

different venues

in a discriminative way but without bias

without a preconceived idea because

preconceived ideas are limiting and

limitations

is part of the survival response

it's part of having an opinion

so we've talked about chronic illness

that it has a chronic inflammatory

component in some cases that can be

driven from pathogens and others it can

be environmental toxicants that are all

protected in these biofilms and so they

can continue to stimulate the immune

system so that that inflammatory switch

never switches off even at low levels

that can continue to keep that

inflammation kind of primed there are

people now that are using spms or pro

resolving mediators as well and so i'm

wondering if targeting the reduction of

galactin three can that lead to flipping

that inflammatory switch to the off

position and where do things like spms

fit into the conversation you know uh

it's

yeah absolutely and the thing is that

inflammation is really what drives aging

in this micro inflammation

you know this

subclinical inflammation it's really

the culprit and it's definitely driven

by galactin3 so integrating it into

other methods

is is extremely important you know this

also ties into the whole idea of emfs

you know and the ionizing and on

ionizing radiation and some scientists

will say we can't prove a direct damage

well

it's not about the direct immediate

damage it's about the ongoing

slow

cooking of the membranes of the

extracellular metrics you know it is so

important so in order for the cell to

get better the extracellular matrix is

to change the macrophages to turn away

from being inflammatory galactin3 drives

m2m1 inflammatory macrophage

inflammatory macrophage will excrete

galactin3

so whatever is your regimen if it's

antibiotics if it's different

supplements if it's emotional work

if you add if you address galactin3 you

will always get better results because

you're allowing the medicine to get to

the places where it's not getting

and you're moving the tissue from a

survival response to a relaxed response

that is more efficient that is more

regenerate usually usually there is

synergism between mcp and pretty much

everything

because what it does

it allows the body to address what's

needed to be addressed and we also look

into the process of detoxification

so it allows it to be addressed on the

biochemical physiological structural way

and then with our mind with our

intention

we allow it to be addressed with what we

want to change you know that's very

important in the preparatory phase of

the of detoxification so you brought up

the emf piece i wonder is there a

connection between electromagnetic field

exposure and the level of galectin iii

does that potentially lead to a rise in

galectin-3 and is it possible that

reducing galectin-3 then might make some

people less sensitive to emf exposure

it's especially important for reducing

the side effects and probably also for

for

for for for the reduction of exposure

and the reason is that the results of

all this micro inflammation is fibrosis

dysfunction fibroids no no oxygen tissue

gets inflamed and galactic 3 drives

fibrotic it's a pro fibrotic agent so

absolutely so you know for example i

developed a product called cellular

shield specifically for emfs but

initially i developed it because i i'm

flying a lot and people are not aware

that the most powerful radiation is

cosmic radiation in the planes

so i created it as a preparation so in

order to reduce oxidative stress so yes

when you take galactic 3 you reduce the

abnormal metabolic pathways

that are being

that are being disrupted by emf and then

and then

intracellularly you can help through

dietary changes like you know like

through a

low glycemic index

through through promoting autophagy and

cleanup that's the value of intermittent

fasting through a metformin or honokiol

or berberine

an ocul is the king of them because it

can differentiate a normal cell from an

abnormal cell based on p53 and it can

behave differently so absolutely we have

the intracellular effects and we have

the greater environmental effect outside

the cell where galactin3 is driving it

and modifies it respecting health yes so

the answer is yes an emf yeah the emf is

not just the emf it's just the speed of

reactivity that we are required to

really live in you know if we don't

answer a text in 20 seconds somebody you

know gets upset

yeah i remember you know when i used to

go to retweets like

i didn't have in the smartphone until

2010

and it will show a mistake to get one

but i would go and retweet for eight

weeks and i would have like a satellite

phone and i would go to the top of the

mountain every three weeks and turn it

on and make one phone call and if there

were any patient issues then i'll go

back for three weeks and now i mean no

way i can do it i mean

how does an individual survival focus

potentially make us sick why is it

important to create greater social

connection and to create community and

how do you suggest building connection

and community in a world that doesn't

always make that so easy

wow

you know

one day i was a i was working in our

field we have we live out of town and

and my

my older daughter who is an ordained

buddhist lama we were talking about the

conflict in the middle east

and he was telling me daddy

until every jewish israeli won't feel

the pain that the palestinians have and

until the palestinians don't feel the

pain that the jewish people have we

won't have peace

so it's really about this ability to

understand that we are a community we're

interdependent so scott we're talking

about the biofilm today we talked about

the sales but let's talk about ourselves

so when i teach

for decades i've been teaching a diagram

that looks at the time

time from the past coming to now

you know what what we have done in the

past even in this life like trauma like

limbic pattern and also a little bit

harder to understand time from the

future coming backward

but

what happens

we are

we are

what we experience now is a combination

of our genetic makeup

and our epigenetic makeup there's a

beautiful saying that talmudic saying in

the in hebrews it says

which means everything is predetermined

but we have the choice

the predetermined is a genetics

the choice is the epigenetics so if we

look at ourselves

and let's say every generation is every

25 years

and we go back 1500 years we get to an

infinite number

so infinite number of genetic

information made us each of us and there

is not the theoretical mathematical

possibility that each person living on

this earth

at some point in the past had a mutual

parent sibling relative it's impossible

it's infinite numbers so we all have

this interdependence

and we realize it when we have less of a

self-focus then the survival individual

survival

start to melt

survival still exists

but now it becomes survival of the

community a little bit bigger

but then within the community we still

have to listen to each other right like

united states right now the world is so

divisive

so much in the right left vaccine no

vaccine no no

there is no no dialogue no tolerance and

why there's no tolerance because each

person is reacting from a survival place

and so when you do for example with

mindfulness you slow down

and you make the survival response be

different more tolerant with limbic

training you get the same

but the real level of transformation and

when you realize everything is free

everything is free everything is

changeable

nothing is permanent that's the only

truth we have that everything changes

when we tap into this which is not easy

that's when true transformation happens

and part of it yes is a mutual respect

mutual support

open heart it's the most powerful

healing tool and you know what

it's within each of us because all of us

have a heart so physiologically the

heart knows how to do it

because we physiologically can do it

it's much easier to learn

to connect with our heart than to change

for example

mind meditation techniques why because

our heart is already doing it

physiologically we just step into the

movement of transformation from dirty

blood into clean my blood through

connection with the universe and we put

the emotional psychological cycle

spiritual understanding

and then tolerance love and compassion

become our responsiveness

instead of anger struggle fight that

becomes our reactivity the difference

between responsiveness

to reactivity wow

that's a lot

i know i know well you know i mean

good stuff when i rated the topics you

were talking about wow i mean there's a

lot let's talk just for a minute coming

back to the conversation around aerobic

metabolism versus anaerobic metabolism

or glycolysis you mentioned that it can

lead to lactic acid that that impacts

our mitochondria which is the key to

essentially energy production for

everything in the body can be at the

root of many chronic diseases how do we

get the body out of anaerobic glycolysis

and back to aerobic metabolism

so

a lot of what we talked about we have to

take a deep breath

so a deep breath from a

nervous

shifting to a parasympathetic place

so let's talk for a moment about it and

then i'll get to to the stuff that you

want to know more about metabolically so

it's hard for for us to recognize the

space between thoughts because one

thought leads to another thoughts a

reaction to reaction but what is easier

for us

is to recognize that after we exhale

passively

there is a small gap

before we inhale

so when we meditate when we try to pay

attention and we breathe deep we want to

pay attention to the exhalation

and can you know we let go

and then this small gap

between the exhalation and inhalation we

just rest and our being expands

when we do this when we create space and

people can feel it

people with chronic fatigue with

fibromyalgia suddenly there is space in

the tissue when there is space in the

tissues there's no pain

pain is an alarm that something is going

on so that's the value of creating the

space

and so we so the same thing happened in

the cell when our mitochondria is

functioning normally

when when we have the right nutrients

you know pdh needs thiamine and lipoic

acid

and

when we are not driven by by too much

sugars

which is really what you sugar you eat

it and you get a spike it's an immediate

reactivity of energy

when things don't go up and down insulin

that doesn't get messed up and cortisol

there is more

sense of spaciousness the body is time

to produce energy in an efficient way

the antioxidative systems can clean the

oxidative stress glutathione is working

properly

when we get into a place of stress of

glycolysis

that's when things mess up get messed up

and that's the value what you asked

about autophagy

the intermittent fasting gives the body

a break

to take a rest and clean up the mess and

that's why intermittent fasting is such

value

and there are so many different

protocols some people do it every day

some people they can do like a day two

weeks when little bit longer because you

got to drain your

your glycogen reserves so you start

creating some changes

and

it is as

fundamentally different from ketogenic

diet you know so it's important to

understand so let's talk a little bit

more about modified citrus pectin if we

know that galectin-3 is unhealthy and

we're looking to block galectin-3's

expression with something like modified

citrus pectin the difference between

regular pectin as i understand it is it

doesn't necessarily get absorbed into

the bloodstream at all where the

modified citrus pectin does get absorbed

and has more of a systemic effect and so

i'm wondering is there any potential

benefit in the future to having a

liposomal modified citrus pectin

no and not

not really because it's a carbohydrate

so it gets very well absorbed you know

it's not lipid it's not lipid soluble

it's water soluble so

actually it will probably interfere

and you don't want it to just

penetrating into cells what what we have

shown with our modified citrospecting is

that it does get absorbed into the blood

we actually

we we actually used a

fluorescent antibodies to a

to the specific molecules and were able

to show and we know that half-life is

about eight to ten hours maybe 12 even

so

there is no need to

and

we know there is lasting effect for

example from the animal uh

from the animal

studies

uh that even giving it before

the injury it affected the outcome of

sepsis

so

yeah it's really now on our modified

respecting the i think over 75 published

papers we just got accepted

in any day i think even i expect in the

next few days will be published in

nutrient which is one of the better

nutritional peer review journals almost

impact factor seven i think and i'm the

last author of a multiple center trial

in the the effect of our mcp in

recurrent prostate cancer with

phenomenal results people will see it in

the literature

and is there when we're using mcp i i

don't really think of it as much of a

binder as having a lot of these other

properties that you talk about i know

with more traditional binders like

charcoal people say you need to keep it

a couple hours away from food and and

away from supplements and medications

and so on so how forgiving can we be

with mcp can we just throw it in a

smoothie can we take it with other

things or do we need to separate it in a

protocol you can be completely

forgiving it's my assumption before i

did the studies on absorption that i

thought it can be separated it does not

need to be separated we are changing our

whole strategy formally even before i

say 10-15 minutes before food it's a

very powerful

binder of heavy metals it can attach to

lead like nothing else

in mercury and uranium i mean we've

published all of this and we've seen

increased

excretion in the urine so you got

something which is the pre proven

published not too many of them

heavy metal chelator

which in the same time reduces

inflammation

and the abnormal immune response that is

created by all of these toxins and

that's why it's such a

mega compound to be used with other with

other substances

definitely

and and i was interested earlier as well

when you talked about mcp also as a

prebiotic that it also potentially can

help

support the microbiome support the

beneficial bacteria in our gut and if i

understood correctly that mcp might

itself have some antimicrobial

properties so when we're in this realm

of lyme and chronic infections and

potentially a damaged microbiome from

prior antibiotics and so on talk to us

just a little bit more about how mcp

might support the microbiome but also

might help with some of these chronic

infections

yeah so mcp

i think we have five or six papers most

of them with the usda

is showing the prebiotic equalities of

mcp how it helps to regulate the

microbiome it promotes the growth of

healthy bacteria and it inhibits the

growth

of abnormal bacteria like like stuff

stuff arrows for example

how by by melting

the biofilm by not allowing the bacteria

to hide the body has a lot of healing

capacity you know in the book as you

know i

there are dozens of stories of amazing

patients how they healed but the body

needs to have the chance to heal and if

the bacteria can hide and create its own

micro environment

then it's how to really get to it

so what the mcp does it opens it exposes

the bacteria and then it can change it

can enhance the immune response one of

the thing with galactic 3

is that

galactic 3 will suppress

so glitter 3 will cause

t cell mortality apoptosis

into a

normal cytokines will go down

and it will inhibit the transformation

of a b-cell to a plasma cell so we can

produce antibodies

so you know for example i have some some

cases of people let's say post a post

vaccine

post a side effect or vaccine

where significant side effects and no

antibodies zero

and then i get to tweet them mcp is a

leading compound

and they get better

and six months later and when they just

came like six months later

they show up with antibodies against

covet six months later after not having

it why because we reduce the

inflammation and we allow the b cells

you know to really

turn into plasma cells and produce

antibodies so that's the beauty of

harmony

of harmonizing and modulating the immune

response we know for example in cancer

that if galactin3 levels are elevated

pdl1 inhibitors will not

work

in a non-small cell lung cancer they

will not respond

and it's well known merc knows it you

know that ketudah doesn't respond there

are amazing graphs you see

there is no response tumor will come

keeps on growing so why because the

tumor creates a micro environment it

escapes

and it uses galatian three to evade the

immune system

that's why it's really a galactic three

is really quite the ingredient nobody

expected it

you know i i collaborate with avraham

raj which really is the father of mcp

and in lectins from the late 80s we

published a very important paper

together and you know and we really when

we talk we say no no nobody expected

this to be so big until suddenly i i had

this sense of inflammation and fibrosis

i realized wow it's much bigger than

cancer it's really driving this

this this process and then

it crystallized into this idea of being

the survivor protein

you've talked about the role of galectin

galectin-3 in cancer so we understand

that modified citrus pectin could be a

good adjunct in cancer therapy i want to

shift though a little bit into how

commonly do you see emotional trauma as

a contributor to cancer and how

important in your work with your

patients is exploring and releasing past

traumas in order to improve or

potentially move past the cancer

condition completely

it's

extremely important it's well

published you know a lot of the work on

mind body cancer was done by a dear

friend of mine

lorenzo cohen from md anderson who's a

brilliant guy

and also

very

very s

spiritual

capacity because when we work on our

emotion when we work on our traumas we

shift this survival response and cancer

is the classical survival response and

there are so many studies really

really really show it you know so i

addressing the emotional part the

psychological part is very important and

it's not it's not always easy

and it's not always what we think it is

and that's part of allowing whatever is

there to arise

you know when i talk about meditation

i

one of my favorite saying is meditation

is not what we experience

is our relationship with what we

experience

so whatever arises for us whatever

emotion how we react to the emotion

that's where the survival response is

abnormal and that's what needs to

to to really be shifted

and one of the issues part of this the

oncology system

is that it's so driven by uh

by crisis management by uh

bias by by really by heightened survival

for good reasons that it's not easy

to really

shift and in the book you know

the chapter on cancer because what i do

is the largest chapter from the

conditions i tell some really amazing

stories about patient it's really how

they

overcame and changed change the outcome

and how they transformed

emotionally mentally and healed and some

people can heal and the disease goes

away and some people heal and they still

die but they still healed we all die one

day you know our way and that's why the

healing journey is an amazing journey

another tool for reducing galectin iii

is one that you and i took a personal

journey through together many years ago

that is apheresis i believe you were the

first person doing that in the united

states and so i'm interested in having

you share a little bit about how

apheresis is a health supporting tool

and then how has it advanced or evolved

since we work together about eight years

ago

so therapeutic affordance is a

fascinating powerful underused tool

where we take the blood it's similar to

dialysis but a little bit fancier very

safe we separate the cells from the

plasma and we filter the plasma and in

the united states the devices use them

are ldl phrases for taking out

inflammatory lipids lda lipoprotein a

which is very important c reactive

proteins some fibrinogen and many of the

growth factors like tgf beta vgf are

being removed and only a little bit of

galactic in 3 10 15

and what we do in our process so it's

really something i specialize in and

you know in a unique way

and

so during the process we enhance

the detoxification process during the

arthritis

on a research basis

i'm i'm actually working on developing a

column for just removing galactic three

just collecting three a few micrograms

you know you can't even see it and we

know from our studies it will just it

shifts the outcome because you block the

inflammatory process

from the beginning

in a dramatic way so the beauty of a

pherosis and it kind of relates to what

we talked about is that we take our

blood

and for a determined amount of time it

can be hours days our blood is the way

it used to be when we were like

teenagers totally cleaned

totally in you

and what it allows a little bit similar

like the limbic system it allows us to

regroup it allows us to reorganize in a

different way so i'm finding it more and

more beneficial specifically scott

for mold exposure

where you just people just cannot get

rid of it but mold you know it's sticky

now it's flame it's lipid soluble

and

the arthritis just pulls out the mold

toxins in a very significant way

and so people with mold exposure

it's not always but sometimes it's truly

dramatic

truly dramatic with the caveat being of

course that people still need to address

the source of their mold in their water

damage building right yeah

we're always looking for the work around

there absolutely so that's the idea we

give them a chance

to address it because

you know

they really get a window when they don't

have to fight this enormous amount of

toxicity

and then they get a chance to

recalibrate it's all about

a about yeah you know and i i personally

always do a phrases myself it helps me

to to address some of my issue and

recalibrate yeah it's a remarkable

process that is highly underused what

i'm doing on a research level and that's

why i'm

considered a disruptor in the field is

usually afraid is used for is esoteric

if you gillian beret

graf versus us

homozygous hypercholesterolemia

we are developing our method

method for sepsis and aki

500 000 death 4 million cases a year

no treatment

so we are really taking something

simple and powerful and we're going to

apply it to

incurable

very very common

health conditions now what we find when

we address galactin3

that we can really help

chronic kidney disease really especially

if it's not end and end stage if

somebody stage four three b

they already have significant reduction

in in kidney function but they still

have energy in the kidney the kidney

from my perspective there's enough

inflammation it's not totally fibrotic i

see this patient turning around

that that was actually my next question

you talk about in the book that kidney

disease impacts 14 of the population 38

over age 65 that there can be impairment

of blood flow autoimmunity infections

chemicals medications that this can be a

damaging mechanism where inflammation

and fibrosis are really being driven by

galectin-3 and so i'm wondering

taking that stage four type scenario out

is it possible that in many of these

cases that stopping the inflammation

stopping that fibrotic process can lead

to a reversal of the kidney condition

and an improvement of kidney function

kidney health at one level or another

i've seen it in every single patient

some of them is a little bit some i

don't appreciate like let somebody with

an autoimmune nephropathy with egfl6

they are supposed to really be in

dialysis they deteriorate really fast

they come and they bring them up to nine

now if you showed it to a nephrologist

they will say you're crazy it's

impossible

you know but the ones who have early on

who come like at state three when it's

mainly vascular

you can do one or two afferenties and

give them mcp and you see

it turning around and then you know and

then it will hold for a year or two the

pattern is there they may have to repeat

one more time

kidney chronic kidney disease

is a treatable condition if i get my

colon if i go through the developmental

and fda approval first of all i got to

tackle aki sepsis too many people are

dying 11 million a year but my next

topic

is going after ckd because these are

people who are robbed of their life you

know

i mean often it's post aki post surgery

sometimes it's not diabetes hypertension

it's the most common but suddenly

they're on dialysis there's no no no

quality of life these are treatable

conditions these are treatable and if i

get a chance i will demonstrate it i can

see it with with my work now i know that

with the right of phrases it can turn

around i've seen enough enough cases

myself

in the

lyme disease mold arena looking at

babesia heavy metals i think of

hypercoagulation as a significant player

in these conditions i also tend to think

of hypercoagulation as maybe a

slightly lesser

presentation of of a biofilm that

hypercoagulation and biofilms are

somewhat associated we get this

thickened blood the viscosity of the

blood then also leads to

lowered oxygen and nutrient delivery and

less ability to remove toxins and waste

from the system and so is there a

connection between hyper coagulation and

galectin iii you know i don't have to

tell you everybody who knows you are

really smart it's really

in the same box

hyper viscosity

arteriosclerotic plaque

is a biofilm it's just made

of galactin three

who creates the beta and it creates of

different lipids and calcium exactly the

same and we know sometimes bacteria high

there same hyper viscosity the same

mechanism for example galactic 3

will bring

blood vessel growth will allow

thrombocytes to

to adhere will allow will allow them to

attach to the blood vessel cell and

create a plaque so absolutely it's all

interrelated it's all interrelated and

one of the compound that is

one of the markers that is overlooked

now with the psk9 there's more interest

is lipoprotein a lava protein a is nasty

and unfortunately the only thing that

really takes it out is is the arthritis

the three it removes most of it

and it's really a silent killer you talk

about detoxification as being so

critical in recovering from these

complex chronic conditions i've always

thought about detoxification and

drainage probably from my mentoring with

dr dietrich klinghardt that that's such

an important thing for us to look at and

what's interesting in this conversation

with galectin 3 is it has a role in

affecting the kidneys it has a role in

affecting the liver so you know these

critical detoxification organs that we

have it sounds to me like we can

unburden them by reducing galectin-3 so

that they then have more ability to

focus on detoxification of other things

that are going on in the body so i'd

like you to comment about that and then

is galectin-3 if we look at the liver is

it playing a role in

non-alcoholic fatty liver disease for

example or non-alcoholic

steatohepatitis disease for example talk

to us about the connection between the

liver and collecting through when we

look at the detoxification process

it has multiple parts the first part is

preparation

so when do we detoxify we detoxify every

time our exhalation is twice as long in

our inhalation so we detoxify more than

we nourish we spend more time

exhaling

than inhaling

so that's the process that goes all the

way in this sense you're so right if we

address galactin3

we both reduce the inflammation on the

tissue level that produces

toxic byproducts and we help all the

eliminating organs lungs ipf relates

relates to galactic three kidneys relate

to galactic three and of course liver

relates to galactic we will get within a

moment so

now within this process we go during our

life if we have time and opportunity

through a more targeted detoxification

when do we do it

if we after a disease after treatment or

from a seasonal point of view in the

fall and in the spring and

detoxification is a different flavor in

the spring and the fall i won't go into

it right now

so

for the ones who are detoxifying

before we detoxify

let's take a moment and think what do we

want to detoxify what do you want to get

rid of

physically toxic emotionally pattern

obstacles you just prepare yourself

then we need to expose

what we want to detoxify to expose we

have to melt the biofilm we have to melt

the lattice formation mcp plays a key

role then

we have to bind and again mcp plays a

key role in other binders because mcp

will also bind systemically like mcp

will dissolve the the

the arteriosclerotic plaque they are

close to 20 different animal studies

showing that all kind of

arteriosclerosis heart kidneys aortic

stenosis when you give our mcp it

improves it reverses the damage okay

so

and then of course we have to support

the phase one phase two liver

detoxification the phase one and phase

two is between discharge and elimination

we throw all the garbage from the

kitchen

drawers on the floor

and then we have to be able to clean it

the cleanup is all this elimination

organ that you mentioned so yes we have

to support them and that's why

mcp is so important specifically for

liver

galactic iii plays a key role

in nash

in fact there are there's a drug

that past phase two and is in phase

three it had some side effects uh so i

don't know if it would get approved but

there's a lot of interest

in nash

with with a with galactic three blockers

and it's definitely an area where mcp

can be of great a great benefit

and

i'm happy that you brought it up because

people are not aware right so many

people are not aware of non-alcoholic

everybody thinks hepatitis c i mean it's

a much bigger hundred

hundred million people you know and

i mean the percent of population united

states that has either the early state

or or nash is is insane it's really the

untalked about epidemic right now you

talk about

neurodegenerative diseases like

parkinson's alzheimer's als that these

conditions generally have high levels of

oxidative stress high levels of

inflammation from the host immune

response that also then leads to lower

blood supply to the brain eventually

possibly brain damage in some cases how

does galectin-3 fit into the

neurodegenerative disease conversation

and does galectin 3 play a role in the

formation of amyloid plaques or in

microglial-driven inflammation or even

in the loss of blood-brain barrier

integrity

all of the above in short answer if you

look at the it's a

it's the alzheimer pluck the

concentration of galactic 3 is 20 fold

compared to

normal neural tissue if you look at

studies where you you cut

you cut the spine and create you create

damage or you look at lps

lipopolysaccharide induce narrow

inflammation and you give a given mcp

you attenuate the response

you stop the inflammatory response so

how is it

the microglia in the brain

okay and the astrocytes are the unique

relationships

there are the cleanup cells

they are very similar to the macrophage

in our circulation there really is a

macrophage of the brain so just like

electricity stimulates macrophage to be

inflammatory galactic will stimulate

microglia

to go out of control

and to cause damage

so you will see galactic3 involved with

alzheimer's with parkinson with pretty

much every neuroinflammatory disease and

it will also disrupt the blood-brain

barrier the other compound that works

very well with mcp

specifically because it has an

intracellular effect and has a great

penetration to the to the brain is

hornochion so mcp honorable is a great

pair to use together

to address narrow inflammation one of my

favorite topics is the extracellular

matrix very few people ever talk about

that again i think i learned about it

from dietrich klinghardt

you've already mentioned the matrix in

this conversation but i want to look at

it maybe from a slightly different

perspective which is talk to us about

the importance of exploring what we want

to let go of from a mind-body

perspective and how our mental and

emotional health may impact our

detoxification capacity on a physical

level so if we have a encumbered or or

burdened extracellular matrix can there

be a mental emotional contributor to why

that is the case yes so a huge one

and you know in in buddhist meditation

there is a practice called the

tonglen

and if you where you take suffering and

pain and you exchange it with love and

compassion which is really what the

heart does

and one of the inside that i had that i

it was going to be in my second book was

going to be my first book which i wrote

in hebrew called open heart medicine i

am teaching about how to do this it

wasn't taught before inside our body so

we have a way to harvest all these

traumas

to bring them to our heart

and to transform them and when we do

this

we work on the extracellular matrix and

then we get into the cells because it's

the same dialogue between discharge and

elimination that you talked about the

organs it's the same dialogue between

the cell and the environment

you can't allow a cell to discharge too

much to them

to the metrics without the metrics being

functional

that's again why you got to melt this

lattice formations because otherwise

you're going to get the toxins released

from the cells and they're going to get

stuck

in the micro environment that's where

people get healing crises when they do

detox it's really not a necessity you

know so we need to keep the flow going

we need to prevent

when when we look about flow

when the

uneven blood flow like you mentioned

hyper viscosity when there is turbulence

you get inflammation

what is the opposite of movement

it's death it's lack of movement what is

it medically it's called fibrosis

the tissue is rigid it's not moving it's

not changing so we got to address

the metrics we got to address the

connective tissue

and

no cancer is very smart cancer utilizes

cells in the connective tissue to rob

energy to make exchange of energy

as part of manipulating the environment

as part of creating the micro

environment but if we expose a micro

environment if we open it up

we cancel this

this risk we mitigate it

and that's the value

like

when i teach meditation

and again to the more advanced students

and once they have some basic tools

then we go and we experience the somatic

power

of

of really the power of the heart you

know what i'm going to stand for a

second and i'll show it to you so the

people can see so after you meditate

we're going to skip it you just put your

hands

on your heart

and you feel the heat of the heart and

the heat of the hands pericardium eight

where the heart opens and for some

people it's the first time they connect

with this amazing heat of the heart

and you just let it flow wherever it

needs

and you will feel the heat of the heart

going everywhere in your body

healing whatever is needed

so that's called that just a taste but

when we do this in this part of

meditation and healing we do it through

different generation cycles chinese

medicine seasonal visualization

and because we what we don't recognize

the largest electromagnetic field in our

body comes from our heart hundred times

greater than our head so we focus on

mindfulness and thinking no no no it's

good but it's minimized it's

self-focused

the heart electromagnetic field of the

heart at every given second gets to

every cell in our body but more than

this

it goes to people around us

we have a heart-to-heart connection it's

not a theory

and that's why

the value of the heart healing itself

the value of the heart healing us and

healing our communities and it's really

when we connect with our hearts that

things melt away

and the

biofilm melts away arteriosclerosis

melts away everything melts away

the other concept around detoxification

that i learned about from dr chris shade

several years ago was this idea that

detoxification is impaired in the

presence of inflammation so reducing

inflammation is already a detoxification

strategy and so just kind of tying these

things together if i'm understanding

correctly using something like modified

citrus pectin that is addressing

galectin-3 reducing inflammation

that inflammation reduction in and of

itself is also then allowing the body to

start detoxifying more absolutely

because you get better blood supply you

get oxygen you get energy so one of the

key thing detoxification

which is the last step i didn't talk

about actually after this phase one two

we got to support the energy systems of

the body

so if you regulate the metabolic

function the mitochondrial function by

using mcp

which

upregulates ampk down regulates into one

through different receptors in the

membranes through insulin receptors i

don't want to go to elaborate on it and

then suddenly you get a better metabolic

process you are able to do better

cleaning there's less congestion the ph

goes up everything is functioning

normally absolutely

i want to come back to your

comments about

lipopolysaccharides so we hear people in

functional medicine talking about lps

microbiome imbalances leading to

lipopolysaccharides that then lead to

inflammation was i understanding you

correctly to say that modified citrus

pectin can essentially bind to

lipopolysaccharide

so galactin3 carries lipopolysaccharides

to different places in the body it's one

of the ligands that binds to it

but what galactic3 does it fuels the

inflammation caused by

lipopolysaccharides so so in the rate

study the injury to the cicrum created a

terrible

peritonitis unfortunately that created a

flush of inflammatory compound including

lipopolysaccharide we just measure the

interlocking six as a marker when you

block it you shut down the reaction from

the top it's an upstream regulator it's

like there's a a water fountain

there's like a waterfall of lps and

different cytokines and tnf alpha and

and if kappa beta and when you close

galactic 3 you shut down the process so

i've shown in these studies we're

publishing two big critical care

journals that when we blocked

when we blocked collecting three

we attenuated interleukin-6 we attended

kidney damage and we attenuated

a

mortality

and in rates when we did the same

the same model and we actually took out

galactic three

with apheresis

we practically eliminated the death from

90 to 10

one treatment so this is a power this is

why the galactic three is such a mega

regulator of the process an upstream

regulator it's really important you know

we tend to chase symptoms so we tend to

change this cytokine and that cytokine

galactic three is addressing the issue

from the source and what you did so well

today

you really painted it from an emotional

point of view from a spiritual point of

view from a mental point of view because

it's one complex dance

it's one complex movement

in each of us scott has our own

combination that works for us

so before we get to our final question i

want to kind of bring the conversation

to a close getting back into those

higher levels the spiritual the mental

the emotional you say that when we're in

survival mode we are self-focused which

creates isolation contracts our life

experience you say that letting go of

the survival drive is a process of

freedom and expansion where giving up is

a process of contraction and despair

how do we learn to let go of these

survival tendencies

so it's very innate in us

it's very deep in us it's a life journey

and each of us can learn at a certain

capacity

so the first thing is by slowing down

and that's where mindfulness is so

important that's all this limbic system

and reprogramming we create a space when

we create space

it changes our mental reaction our

emotional reaction and naturally changes

our biochemistry in our in physiology in

our autonomic nervous system response so

that's the first step

the real real secret is when we learn to

connect with our heart

and to truly recognize

the impermanent change in quality in

everything and

as human beings we have the capacity to

do it so

in one second we can sleep it doesn't

always stay like this but it's a very

revealing experience

and it connects to the understanding

that anything and everything is possible

anyone can heal

anyone can heal you know i i often i

look at my and i write in the book i

tell a story about a patient who i

didn't expect them to heal from terminal

cancer

because they didn't think that they have

it in them

but their siblings headed in them and

they pulled them out of the toxic

environment and that is

they were literally days from dying okay

until they went back to the old

habits

they were they were they were convinced

by their family another part of the

family to come back to the toxic and

then the cancer came back and they came

back i told him you know miracles don't

don't happen twice very often

but

but

it's this it's this ability and the

understanding that everything shift we

always have options we always have

choices

we just have to see the door

and to see the door we have to be

open-minded but truly open-minded and

this means like you know for me as a

physician as a healer

giving up on concepts i believed in

you know

there are a lot of things i do now that

20 years ago i would never consider

doing but you know

it's part of letting go is not holding

not being afraid to know that you are

wrong

that what you thought was not correct

there are better ways of doing it and

then just experience this ongoing

integration that's where information

is transformed into wisdom you know

takes takes time

my last question is the same for every

guest and that is what are some of the

key things that you do on a daily basis

in support of your own health

so it goes

through waves because depends how busy i

am i'm a little bit busier i i try to

meditate every day

i actually meditate every day and i

serve a very uh

meditation practice i try to carry

like you know this this conversation i

was meditating during the conversation

it it's part of me

and i try to read as as well as i can i

i put a lot of emphasis when possible on

intermittent fasting

and

i tried to exercise to especially to

work

i started jogging which i really

hated all my life but it was a great

experience in the of my mind where i

couldn't run even 300 yards and within

three weeks ever even when a teenager

suddenly i i i ran like 11 12 miles

you know i could run i'm just going to

go to the clinic it shows how the mind

shifted i love swimming so i spend a lot

of time when i can go

and i spend some time in hawaii and i

swim every day

and

i make sure that my life is filled with

meaningful things with making a

difference in people's life

i try to be you know i try to practice

being kind you know

within the context of my life of my

consequences

and i stay humble about trying to about

what i know what i don't know

and every day is a in the new a new

learning experience you know well i've

known you for many years now and i think

you definitely walk the talk i think

you've been an amazing mentor to me and

an amazing teacher to many i'm excited

about the new book the survival paradox

i really urge people to go and and get

it it goes into so much more detail than

we could ever even begin to talk about

here uh dr elias just want to thank you

for all that you do and honor you for

the difference that you make in this

world so thank you so much thank you

thank you thank you for bringing such

great points out of the book that beyond

what even i wrote really

i really enjoyed take care thank you

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