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hello
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so
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in just a few minutes um elon musk will
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be joining us here live on stage
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for a conversation uh
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rumor has it there are a few things to
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talk about with him
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um
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we we we will see
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but um before that
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i just want to show you something
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special
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i want you to come with me to
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tesla's huge gigafactory in austin texas
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so the day before it opened last week
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the evening before i was allowed to walk
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around it
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no one else there
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and what i saw there was honestly pretty
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mind-blowing
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this is elon musk's famous machine that
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builds the machine and his view the
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secret to a sustainable future is not
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just making an electric car
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it's making a system that churns out
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huge numbers of electric cars with a
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margin so that they can fund further
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growth
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when i was there um none of us knew
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whether elon would actually be able to
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make it here today so i took the chance
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to sit down with him and record an epic
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interview
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and i just want to show you
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a nine
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an eight minute excerpt of that
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interview so here from austin texas elon
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musk
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i want us to switch now to think a bit
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about artificial intelligence i i'm
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curious about your timelines and how you
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predict and how come some things are so
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amazingly on the money and some aren't
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so when it comes to predicting
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sales of tesla vehicles for example
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i mean you've kind of been amazing i
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think in 2014
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when tesla had sold that year 60 000
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cars you said 2020 i think we will do
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half a million a year yeah we did almost
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exactly half a million five years ago
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last time you came today we um i asked
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you about for self-driving and um you
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said yep this very year where i am
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confident that we will have a car going
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from la to new york uh without any
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intervention yeah i i don't want to blow
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your mind but i'm not always right
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um
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so talk what's the difference between
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those two why why
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why has full self-driving in particular
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been so hard to predict i mean the thing
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that really got me and i think it's
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going to get a lot of other people is
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that
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there are just so many false stones with
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with self-driving um where you think you
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think you've got the problem
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have a handle on the problem and then it
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nope uh it turns out uh you just hit a
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ceiling um and and uh
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uh
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because what happened if you if you were
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to plot the progress
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the progress looks like a log curve so
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it's like yeah
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a series of log curves so
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uh most people don't like cookies i
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suppose but it shows the show
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it goes it goes up sort of a you know
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sort of a fairly straight way and then
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it starts tailing off right and and and
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you start there's a kind of ocean
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getting diminishing returns you know in
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retrospect they seem obvious but uh in
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in order to solve uh full self-driving
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uh properly you actually just you have
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to solve real-world ai
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um you you you know because you said
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what are the road networks designed to
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to work with they're designed to work
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with a biological neural net our brains
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and with uh vision our eyes
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and so in order to make it work
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with computers you basically need
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to solve real world ai
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and vision
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because because we we need
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we need cameras
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and silicon neural nets
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uh in order to have to have
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self-driving work for a system that was
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designed for eyes and biological neural
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nets
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it you know when you i guess when you
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put it that way it's like quite obvious
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that the only way to solve full
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self-driving is to solve real-world
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ai and sophisticated vision what do you
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feel about the current architecture do
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you think you have an architecture now
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where where there is
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a chance for the logarithmic curve not
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to tail off any anytime
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soon
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well i mean
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admittedly these these uh may be an
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infamous uh last words but i i actually
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am confident that we will solve it this
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year
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uh that we will exceed uh
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you're like what the probability
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of an accident at what point should you
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exceed that of the average person right
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um i think we will exceed that this year
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we could be here
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talking again in a year it's like well
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yeah another year went by and it didn't
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happen but i think this i think this is
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the year is there an element that you
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actually deliberately
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make aggressive prediction timelines to
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drive people to be ambitious and without
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that nothing gets done
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so it's it feels like at some point in
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the last year
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seeing the progress on
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understanding you that you're that the
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ai the tesla ai understanding the world
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around it led to a kind of an aha moment
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in tesla because you really surprised
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people recently when you said
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probably the most important product
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development going on at tesla this year
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is this robot optimus yes
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is it something that happened in the
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development of fourself driving that
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gave you the confidence to say you know
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what we could do something special here
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yeah exactly so you know it took me a
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while to sort of realize that that in
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order to solve self-driving you really
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needed to solve real-world ai um
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at the point of which you solve
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real-world ai for a car which is really
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a robot on four wheels uh you can then
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generalize that to a robot on legs as
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the thing that the things that are
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currently missing are uh
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enough intelligence enough to tell
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intelligence for the robot to navigate
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the real world and do useful things
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without being explicitly instructed it
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is so so the missing things are
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basically real world uh intelligence and
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uh scaling up manufacturing um those are
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two things that tesla is very good at
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uh so then we basically just need to
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design the the uh specialized actuators
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and sensors that are needed for a
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humanoid robot
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people have no idea this is going to be
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bigger than the car
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um but so talk about i mean i think the
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first applications you you've mentioned
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are probably going to be manufacturing
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but eventually the vision is to to have
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these available for people at home
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correct if you had a robot that really
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understood the 3d architecture of your
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house and
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knew where every object in that house
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was or was supposed to be and could
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recognize all those objects i mean that
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that's kind of amazing isn't that like
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like that the kind of thing that you
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could ask a robot to do
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would be what like tidy up yeah um
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absolutely
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or make make dinner i guess mow the lawn
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take take a cup of tea to grandma and
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show her family pictures and
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exactly take care of my grandmother and
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make sure yeah exactly and it could
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recognize obviously recognize everyone
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in the home yeah could play catch with
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your kids yes i mean obviously we need
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to be careful this doesn't uh become a
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dystopian situation
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um like i think one of the things that's
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going to be important is to have a
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localized rom chip on the
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robot that cannot be updated over the
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air uh where if you for example were to
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say stop stop stop that would if anyone
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said that then the robot would stop you
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know type of thing
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and that's not updatable remotely um i
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think it's going to be important to have
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safety features like that
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yeah that that sounds wise and i do
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think there should be a regular free
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agency for ai i've said this for many
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years i don't love being regulated but i
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you know i think this is an important
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thing for public safety do you think
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there will be basically like in say 2050
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or whatever that like a
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a robot in most homes is what they will
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be and people will
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probably count
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you'll have your own butler basically
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yeah you'll have your sort of buddy
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robot
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probably yeah i mean how much of a buddy
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do like do you do
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how many applications you thought is
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there you know can you have a romantic
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partner
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lot of a sex
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inevitable
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i mean i did promise the internet that i
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would make cat girls we'll have we could
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make a robot cackle
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how are you because yeah
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you know
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yeah i i guess uh it'll be what whatever
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people want really you know so what sort
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of timeline should we be
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thinking about of the first the first
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models that are actually made and
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you know the the first units that that
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we tend to make are
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for jobs that are dangerous boring
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repetitive and things that people don't
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want to do and you know i think we'll
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have like an interesting prototype uh
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sometime this year we might have
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something useful next year but i think
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quite likely within at least two years
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and then we'll see rapid growth year
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over year of the usefulness of the
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humanoid robots um and decrease in cost
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and scaling out production
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help me on the economics of this so what
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what do you picture the cost of one of
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these being well i think the cost is
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actually not going to be uh crazy high
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um
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like less than a car yeah but but think
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about the economics of this if you can
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replace a
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thirty thousand dollar forty thousand
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dollar a year worker
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which you have to pay every year
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with a one-time payment of twenty five
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thousand dollars for a robot that can
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work longer hours
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doesn't go on vacation i mean that could
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it could be a pretty rapid replacement
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of certain types of jobs how worried
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should the world be about that
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i wouldn't worry about the the sort of
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putting people out of a job thing um i
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we're actually going to have and already
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do have a massive shortage of labor so i
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not not people out of work but actually
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future uh but
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this really will be a world of abundance
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any goods and services
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them that it'll be so cheap to have
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goods and services it'll be ridiculous
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that is part of
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an epic 80 minute interview
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which we are releasing to people
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members of ted 2022 right after this
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conference um you should be able to
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look at it on the ted live
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website
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um there's public interest in it we're
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putting that out to the world on sunday
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afternoon i think sunday evening but uh
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but if you're into this kind of stuff um
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definitely a good thing to do over the
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weekend um
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now then
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hearing from elon live there's there's
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huge public interest in that we have
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opened up this segment to live stream
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we're joined right now by i think quite
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a few people around the world um welcome
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to vancouver welcome to ted 22 you're
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joining us on the last day of our
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conference here in a packed
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theater
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and
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we've been hearing all week from
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people with dreams about what the next
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era
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of humanity is going to be
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and now arguably
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the biggest visionary of them all elon
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musk
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hey elon welcome
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so elon um a few hours ago
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you
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made
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an offer to buy twitter
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why
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[Laughter]
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how'd you know
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little bird
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tweeted in my ear or something i don't
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know
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by the way have you seen the movie ted
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about the bear
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i i i have i have a movie
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so um
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yeah yeah so
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was there a question
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why why make that offer oh so
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um
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well i think it's very important for
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uh there to be
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an inclusive arena for
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free speech
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where
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all yeah so uh yeah
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um
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twitter has become kind of the de facto
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town square um so
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uh
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it's just really important that people
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have the both the uh the reality and the
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perception
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uh that they're able to speak freely
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within the bounds of the law um
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and
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you know so one of the things that i
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believe twitter should do is open source
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the algorithm
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um and make any changes
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uh to people's tweets you know if
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they're emphasized or de-emphasized uh
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that action should be
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made apparent so you anyone can see that
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action has been taken
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so there's there's no sort of behind the
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scenes
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manipulation either algorithmically or
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manually um
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but
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last week when we spoke elon um i asked
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you whether you were thinking of taking
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over you said no way said i i do not
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want to own twitter it is a recipe for
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misery everyone will blame me for
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everything what on earth changed no i
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think i think everyone will still blame
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me for everything
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yeah if something if if i acquire
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twitter and something goes wrong it's my
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fault 100
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i i think there will be quite a few
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arrows uh yes um it will it will be
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miserable but you still want to do it
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why i mean i hope it's not too miserable
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uh but
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um
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i i just think it's important to the fun
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like
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uh
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it's important to the function of
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democracy
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it's important to the function of
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uh the united states uh as a free
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country and many other countries and to
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help
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actually to help
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freedom in the world
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more broadly than the u.s
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and so
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i think it's uh
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it's a
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you know i think this there's the risk
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civilizational risk
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uh is decreased if twitter
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the more we can increase the trust of
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twitter as a public platform and so
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i do think this will be somewhat painful
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and i'm not sure that i will actually be
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able to to acquire it
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and i should also say
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the intent is is to
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retain as many shareholders as is
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allowed by the law in a private company
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which i think is around
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2000 or so so we'll it's not like it
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it's definitely not not from the
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standpoint of letting me figure out how
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to monopolize or maximize my ownership
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of twitter
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but we'll try to bring along as many
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shoulders as we right as we're allowed
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to you don't necessarily want to pay out
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40 or whatever it is billion dollars in
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cash you you'd like them to come come
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with you in in
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i mean
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i mean i could technically afford it um
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what i'm saying is this this is
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this is uh this is not a
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way to sort of make money
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you know i think this is it's just that
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i think this is um this could
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my
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strong intuitive sense is that uh having
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a public platform that is maximally
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trusted
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um and and and
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and broadly inclusive
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um is extremely important to the future
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of civilization but you've described
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yourself i don't care about the
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economics at all
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okay that's that's core to hear you this
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is not about the economics it's for the
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the moral good that you think will
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achieve you you've described yourself
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elon as a free speech absolutist
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but
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does that mean that there's literally
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nothing that people can't say and it's
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okay
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well i i i think uh
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obviously uh twitter or any forum is
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bound by the laws of the country that it
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operates in um
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so
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obviously there are some limitations on
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free speech uh in in the us and and of
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course uh
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twitter would have to abide by those uh
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right rules so so so you can't incite
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people to violence like that that the
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like a direct incitement to violence you
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know you can't do the equivalent of
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crying fire in a in a movie theater for
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example no that would be a crime yeah
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right
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it should be a crime but here's here's
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the challenge is is that it's it's such
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a nuanced difference between different
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things so
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there's
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there's excitement to violence yeah
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that's a no if it's illegal um there's
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hate speech which some forms of hate
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speech are fine you know i hate spinach
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um
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i mean if it's a sauteed in a
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you know cream sauce that would be quite
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nice
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but so so
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but the problem is so so so let's say
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someone says okay here's one tweet i
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hate politician x yeah next tweet is i
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wish polite politician x wasn't alive
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as we some of us have said about putin
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right now for example so that's
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legitimate speech
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another tweet is i wish politician x
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wasn't alive with a picture of their
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head with a gun sight over it
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or that plus their address i mean at
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some point
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someone has to make a decision as to
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which of those is not okay can an
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algorithm
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do that well surely you need human
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judgment at some point
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no i think
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the like i said
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in my view
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uh twitter should um
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match the laws of the of the country of
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and and and really you know
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that there's an obligation to to do that
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um
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but going beyond going beyond that um
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and having it be
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unclear who's making what changes to who
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to where
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uh having tweets sort of mysteriously be
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promoted and demoted
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with no insight into what's going on uh
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having a black box algorithm uh promote
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some things and other not not other
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things i think this can be quite
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dangerous
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so so so the idea of opening the
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algorithm is a huge deal and i think
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many people would would welcome that of
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understanding exactly how it's making
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the decision and critique it and
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critique like i want to improve what
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wondering is like like i think like the
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code should be on github you know so
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then uh and so people can look through
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it and say like i see a problem here i
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don't i don't agree with this
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um
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they can highlight issues right um
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suggest changes in the same way that you
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sort of update linux or or signal or
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something like that you know but as i
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understand it like at some point right
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now
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what the algorithm would do is it would
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look at for example how many people have
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flagged a tweet as obnoxious
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and then
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at some point a human has to look at it
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and make make a decision as to does this
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cross the line or not that the algorithm
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itself can't i don't think yet um tell
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the difference between
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legal and okay and and definitely
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obnoxious and so the question is which
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humans you know make make that
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core i mean do you have do you have a
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picture of that right now twitter
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and facebook and others you know they've
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hired thousands of people to try to help
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make wise decisions and the trouble is
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that no one can agree on on what is wise
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how do you solve that
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well i i i think we would want to er on
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this if if in doubt
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uh
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let let the speech that let it exist uh
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it would have you know if it's a
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you know a
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a gray area i would say let let the
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tweet exist
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um
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but
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obviously you know in a case where
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there's perhaps a lot of controversy uh
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that you would not want to necessarily
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promote that tweet if uh you know so the
575
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i'm not i'm not saying this is that i
576
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have all the answers here um
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but
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i i do think that we want to be just
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very reluctant to delete things
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and and have um
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just just be very cautious with with
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with permanent bands uh you know
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timeouts i think are better or uh than
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sort of permanent bands
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and um
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but just just in general like i said
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uh how how it won't be perfect but i
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think we wanted to really uh have
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like so the possession and reality that
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speech is as
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free as reasonably possible
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and a good sign as to whether there's
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free speech is
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is
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is someone you
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don't like allowed to say something you
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don't like
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and if that is the case then we have
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free speech and it's it's damn annoying
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when someone you don't like says
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something you don't like
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that is a sign of a healthy functioning
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uh
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free speech situation
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so
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i think many people would agree with
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that and look at the reaction online
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many people are excited by
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you coming in and the changes you're
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proposing some others are absolutely
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horrified here's how they would see it
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they would say wait a sec we agree that
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that twitter is an incredibly important
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town square it is a it is you know where
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the world exchanges opinion about life
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and death matters
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how on earth could it be owned by the
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world's richest person that can't be
619
00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:57,600
right
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00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,840
so how how do you i mean what's the
621
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response there is there any way that you
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can
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distance yourself from the actual
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decision-making that matters on content
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at
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in some very clear way that is
627
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convincing to people
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well like i said i think the
629
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,440
it's it's very important that like the
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the algorithm be open sourced and that
631
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any manual uh adjustments be
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uh identified like so if this tweet if
633
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somebody did something to a tweet it's
634
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there's information attached to it that
635
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this that action was taken and i i i i
636
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won't personally be uh you know in their
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editing tweets
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um
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but you'll know if something was done to
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promote demote or otherwise affect uh a
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tweet um
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you know
643
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as for
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00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,960
media sort of ownership i mean you've
645
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got you know um mark zuckerberg owning
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facebook and
647
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,400
instagram and whatsapp um
648
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and with a share ownership structure
649
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that will
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have
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00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:02,559
mark zuckerberg the 14th still
652
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,640
controlling those
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00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:07,640
uh entities
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00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,640
so
655
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:12,480
literally um
656
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,600
what's that need we won't have that on
657
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,440
twitter
658
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,360
if if you commit to opening up the
659
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,480
algorithm that that definitely gives
660
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:21,600
some level of confidence um talk about
661
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,240
talk about some of the other changes
662
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,159
that you've proposed so you
663
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,080
at the edit button that's that's
664
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:29,760
definitely coming if you if you have
665
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,240
your way yeah yeah
666
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,120
and how do you i mean i i think
667
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i mean
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one
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frankly
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um
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00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:41,919
the
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00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:44,320
top priority i have i would have is is
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00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:45,440
eliminating the the spammings and scam
674
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,400
bots
675
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,400
and the bot armies that are on twitter
676
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,400
um
677
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,039
you know i think i think these these fun
678
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:56,159
influence
679
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,840
that
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00:23:56,159 --> 00:24:00,320
they're not they're they're they they
681
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,559
make the product much worse
682
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,240
um if i see if you know
683
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,200
if i had a dogecoin for every crypto
684
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:10,080
scam i saw
685
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:13,840
[Laughter]
686
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:16,480
more you know 100 billion dollars
687
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,960
do you regret sparking the sort of storm
688
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,960
of excitement overdose and you know
689
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,520
where it's gone or
690
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,960
i mean i think deutsche is fun and you
691
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,039
know i've always said don't bet the form
692
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,200
of dogecoin uh fyi
693
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,200
yeah
694
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:34,640
but i i think i think it's it's i like
695
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,080
dogs and i like memes and uh it's got
696
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,200
both of those
697
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and
698
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,880
but just on the on the edit button how
699
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,960
how do you get around the problem of so
700
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,000
someone tweets elon rocks and it's
701
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,480
tweeted by two million people um and um
702
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:51,360
and then then after that they edit it so
703
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,559
i'm elon sucks and um and then all those
704
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,720
retweets
705
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,559
they're all embarrassed and how how do
706
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,039
you avoid that type of
707
00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:02,320
changing of meaning so that retweeters
708
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:02,320
are exploited
709
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:07,679
well i think uh you know you'd only have
710
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:10,320
the edit capability for a short period
711
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:12,799
of time and probably the thing to do at
712
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,960
upon the edit would be to zero out
713
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,559
all retweets and favorites
714
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,039
okay
715
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:21,760
i'm open to ideas though you know
716
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:23,520
so in one way the um algorithm works
717
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,600
kind of well for you right now i just i
718
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,720
wanted to show you this this is so
719
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,720
this is a typical tweet of of mine kind
720
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,640
of lame and wordy and whatever and look
721
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,320
at and the amazing response it gets is
722
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,400
this oh my god
723
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:41,279
97 likes
724
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:43,840
um and then i tried another one um
725
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and uh
726
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:50,480
29 000 likes so the algorithm at least
727
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:54,840
seems to be at the moment you know if
728
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:58,159
elon musk expanded the world immediately
729
00:25:54,840 --> 00:26:00,960
um not bad right
730
00:25:58,159 --> 00:26:01,840
yeah i guess so i mean that was
731
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,520
cool
732
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,600
i mean you but but you've
733
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,440
so help us understand how it is you've
734
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,960
built this incredible
735
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,720
um following on twitter yourself when
736
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,400
i mean some of the people who love you
737
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,919
the most look at some of what you tweet
738
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,240
and they they
739
00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:20,159
they think it's somewhere between um
740
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,820
embarrassing and crazy some of it's
741
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:24,640
amazing i mean
742
00:26:21,820 --> 00:26:27,760
[Laughter]
743
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,440
is that actually why it's worked or why
744
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,679
why has it worked
745
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,360
i mean i don't know i mean i i'm
746
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:35,039
you know tweeting more or less stream of
747
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,960
consciousness you know it's not like let
748
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,720
me think about some grand plan about my
749
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,960
twitter or whatever you know i'm like
750
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,880
literally on the toilet or something i'm
751
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,320
like oh this is funny and then tweet
752
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,679
that out you know
753
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,810
that's
754
00:26:45,679 --> 00:26:48,240
that's like most of them
755
00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:51,279
[Laughter]
756
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,039
you know over sharing
757
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:55,360
but um but you are obsessed with getting
758
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:57,520
the most out of every minute of your day
759
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:59,039
and so why not you know
760
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,080
um
761
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:02,000
so
762
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,279
i don't know i just like try to tweet
763
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,880
out like things that are interesting or
764
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:07,440
funny or
765
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,640
you know and then people seem to
766
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,679
like it
767
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,919
so if if you are unsuccessful actually
768
00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:14,640
before i ask that let me ask this if i
769
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:16,400
don't
770
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,760
yeah so how can i say
771
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:23,010
is uh funding secured
772
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,010
[Music]
773
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i i have sufficient uh assets to
774
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,520
complete the
775
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,960
uh
776
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,520
it's not a forward-looking statement
777
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,440
blah blah but
778
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,640
i have to i mean i can do it if possible
779
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,960
right um
780
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,120
so um
781
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,559
and um
782
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,600
i mean i should say actually even in the
783
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:44,559
in
784
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,840
originally
785
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,080
the
786
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,240
uh with with tesla back in the day
787
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,760
funding was actually secured
788
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,279
i want to be clear about that
789
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,559
um in fact this may be a good
790
00:27:53,279 --> 00:28:00,399
opportunity to to to clarify that um
791
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:02,640
if funding was indeed secured um and uh
792
00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:04,720
i should say like why why do i do not
793
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,480
have respect for the sec in that
794
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,399
situation and i don't mean to
795
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,000
blame everyone at the sec but certainly
796
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:12,640
the san francisco office
797
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,520
um it's because the sec
798
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,279
knew that funding was secured
799
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,880
but they pursued the
800
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:21,520
an active public investigation
801
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,600
nonetheless at the time tesla was in a
802
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,200
precarious financial situation
803
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,600
and i was told by the banks that if i
804
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,960
did not agree to settle with the sec
805
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,399
that they would the banks would cease
806
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,399
providing working capital and tesla
807
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:34,000
would go bankrupt immediately
808
00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:36,159
so that's like having
809
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,200
a gun to your child's head
810
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:41,039
so i was forced to concede to the sec
811
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:44,080
unlawfully
812
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:47,840
those bastards
813
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,360
and and and now that they they say
814
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,600
it makes it look like i lied when i did
815
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,840
not in fact lie i was i was forced to
816
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,919
admit that i lied for to save tesla's
817
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,440
life and that's the only reason
818
00:28:55,919 --> 00:29:01,039
given what's actually happened
819
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,440
given what's actually happened to tesla
820
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:06,720
since then though aren't you glad that
821
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,720
you didn't take it private
822
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,000
yeah i mean
823
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,840
it's difficult to put yourself in the
824
00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:16,399
position at the time tesla was under the
825
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,799
most relentless short seller attack in
826
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:20,320
the history of the stock market
827
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,520
uh there's something called short and
828
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,880
distort
829
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,559
um where the barrage of negativity that
830
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,279
tesla was experiencing from short sales
831
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:31,520
wall street was beyond or belief tesla
832
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:33,760
was the most shorted stock in the
833
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,520
history of stock markets
834
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,720
this is saying something
835
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,080
so
836
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,440
you know this was affecting our ability
837
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,440
to hire people it was affecting our
838
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,399
ability to sell cars
839
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,120
it was
840
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:44,080
uh
841
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,200
they were
842
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,760
yeah it was terrible um
843
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,600
yeah they wanted tesla to die so bad
844
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,080
they could taste it
845
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,600
well most of them have paid the price
846
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,320
yes
847
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,320
where are they now
848
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,960
um
849
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,000
so
850
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,760
so that was a really strong statement i
851
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,559
mean obviously a lot of people
852
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,640
who who support you i thought would say
853
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,159
you have so much to
854
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,080
offer the world on the upside on the
855
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:16,320
vision side don't don't waste your time
856
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,159
getting getting distracted by these
857
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,720
these battles that bring out negativity
858
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:22,080
and and and make people feel that you're
859
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,760
being defensive or like people don't
860
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,440
like fights especially with with
861
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,520
powerful government authorities they'd
862
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,760
rather they'd rather buy into your to a
863
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,000
dream do do you like aren't you
864
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,039
encouraged by people just just to edit
865
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,320
that
866
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,200
in that
867
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:40,480
you know temptation out and uh
868
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,480
go with the bigger story
869
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:47,679
um well i mean i i would say like you
870
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,679
know i'm sort of a mixed bag you know i
871
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,559
mean well you're a fighter and you you
872
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:56,799
don't you don't you don't you don't
873
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:58,240
you don't like to lose and and you you
874
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,000
you are determined that you don't
875
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,840
basically i i mean you are sure i don't
876
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,799
like to lose i'm not sure many people do
877
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,840
um
878
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:07,039
but the truth matters to me a lot really
879
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,679
like
880
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:12,880
sort of pathologically it matters to me
881
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:15,519
okay so so you don't like to lose if in
882
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,960
this case you are not successful in you
883
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,480
know the board
884
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,320
does not accept your offer you've said
885
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,320
you won't go higher is there a plan b
886
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,120
there is
887
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,960
i i think we i think we would like to
888
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,960
hear a little bit about plan b
889
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,930
for it for another time i think
890
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,840
another time yeah all right
891
00:31:40,930 --> 00:31:48,240
[Applause]
892
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,000
i that that's a nice tease all right so
893
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,840
um
894
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,360
i i would love
895
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,919
to
896
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,000
try to understand this brain of yours
897
00:31:55,919 --> 00:32:00,320
more ilan i i if with your permission
898
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,080
i'd like to just play this this is the
899
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,799
oh actually before we do that
900
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,240
um here was one of the of the thousands
901
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:08,240
of questions that people asked i thought
902
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,000
this was actually quite a good one um if
903
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,919
you could go back in time and change one
904
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,440
decision you made along the way
905
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:16,480
do your own edit button
906
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,919
which one would it be and why
907
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,799
do you mean like a career decision or
908
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:21,200
something
909
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:23,039
just any decision over the last
910
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,640
few years like your decision to invest
911
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:26,640
in twitter in the first place or your
912
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:32,320
anything um i mean the
913
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,200
the worst business decision i ever made
914
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,399
was
915
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,080
um
916
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:40,399
not starting tesla with just jb straval
917
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,360
by far the worst decision i've ever made
918
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:46,159
is not just starting tesla with jb
919
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,919
that that that's the number one by far
920
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:49,840
all right so jb strabo was was the
921
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:51,519
visionary co-founder who who who was
922
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,640
obsessed with and knew so much about
923
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:56,240
batteries and your your decision to go
924
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,480
with tesla the company as it was meant
925
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,159
that you got locked into what you
926
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,840
concluded it was a weird architecture
927
00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:04,880
now this this
928
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,200
there's a lot of confusion tesla
929
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,559
tesla did not exist in any
930
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,720
tesla was a shell company with no
931
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:13,440
employees uh no intellectual property
932
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:16,159
when i invested but the
933
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,840
a false narrative has been created by um
934
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:19,279
one of the other co-founders uh martin
935
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,320
everhard and i don't want to get into
936
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:24,640
the nastiness here but uh
937
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,760
i didn't invest in an existing company
938
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,480
we created a company yeah and
939
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,399
ultimately the creation that company uh
940
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,960
was was done by
941
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:37,840
uh jv and me um and
942
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,600
unfortunately there's a someone else and
943
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,960
another co-founder who has made it his
944
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,960
life's mission
945
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,799
uh to make it sound like he he created
946
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,919
the company which is false wasn't there
947
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:48,080
another issue
948
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:50,480
right at the heart of the development of
949
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,240
the tesla model 3 where tesla almost
950
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,320
went bankrupt and i i think you have
951
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,039
said that part of the reason for that
952
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,360
was that you overestimated the extent to
953
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:02,240
which it was possible at that time to
954
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,279
automate a a factory a huge amount was
955
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,519
spent
956
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:06,480
kind of over automating and it didn't
957
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,240
work
958
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,200
and it nearly took the company down is
959
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,200
that fair
960
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:15,760
uh i mean
961
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,320
first of all it's important to
962
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,639
understand like what what has tesla
963
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,599
actually accomplished that is that is
964
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,280
most noteworthy um it is not the
965
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,200
creation of
966
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,839
an electric vehicle or creating
967
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,440
electrical vehicle prototype or
968
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:32,560
low volume production
969
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,040
of a
970
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,760
of a car that they've been
971
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,399
uh hundreds of cars startups over the
972
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,240
years hundreds and uh in fact at one
973
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:44,480
point um bloomberg counted up the number
974
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:47,119
of electric vehicle startups and they i
975
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,879
think they got to almost 500. yeah so
976
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,399
the hard part is not creating a
977
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:51,440
prototype or going into limited
978
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:54,079
production
979
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,440
the the the absolutely difficult thing
980
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:58,240
which has not been accomplished by an
981
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,839
american car company in 100 years is
982
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:02,400
reaching volume production without going
983
00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:04,480
bankrupt
984
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,040
is the actual hard thing
985
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,720
um the last company american company to
986
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,560
reach volume production without going
987
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:16,240
bankrupt was chrysler in the 20s right
988
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,560
and and and it nearly happened to tesla
989
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,160
yes it but it's not like oh geez i guess
990
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,760
if we just done more manual stuff things
991
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,000
would have been fine
992
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,760
of course not uh that is definitely not
993
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,440
the case uh
994
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,760
so
995
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,079
we basically messed up
996
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,160
almost every aspect of the model 3
997
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:36,000
production line
998
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,119
from
999
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,800
from cells to packs to
1000
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:42,560
driving voters
1001
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,119
motors
1002
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,400
body line the paint shop
1003
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,920
uh
1004
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,200
final assembly
1005
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,760
um
1006
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,320
everything everything was messed up
1007
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,359
um and i lived in that fa i lived in the
1008
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,680
fremont and and nevada factories
1009
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:01,920
for three years
1010
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,760
fixing the that production line running
1011
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,720
around like a maniac
1012
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,520
through every part of that factory
1013
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,520
living with the team
1014
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,839
i slept on the floor
1015
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,760
so that the
1016
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:17,200
the team who was going through
1017
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,680
a hard time
1018
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,520
could see me on the floor
1019
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,599
uh
1020
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,680
that they knew that i was not in some
1021
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,839
ivory tower
1022
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,720
whatever pain they experienced i was i
1023
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:31,680
had it more and some people who knew you
1024
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,640
well
1025
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,920
actually thought you were making a
1026
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,280
terrible mistake that you were driving
1027
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,040
yourself you were
1028
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,359
you were driving yourself to the edge of
1029
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,320
sanity almost and yeah and
1030
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:43,520
and that you were in danger of making
1031
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,200
bad
1032
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,119
choices and in fact i heard you say last
1033
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,640
week elon that that you because of
1034
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:52,240
tesla's huge value now and and you know
1035
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,640
the the significance of every minute
1036
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:56,000
that you spend that you are in danger of
1037
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,920
sort of
1038
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,720
obsessing over spending all this time to
1039
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,920
the point of to the edge of
1040
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,119
sanity
1041
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,640
um
1042
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:09,119
that doesn't that doesn't sound super
1043
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:11,920
wise isn't that like your your your time
1044
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:14,560
your your completely sane centered
1045
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,520
rested time and decision making
1046
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,839
is more powerful and compelling than
1047
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,640
that sort of i can barely
1048
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:24,560
hold my eyes open so surely it should be
1049
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,119
an absolute strategic priority to look
1050
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,119
after yourself
1051
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,079
i mean there wasn't any other way to
1052
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,200
make it work
1053
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,200
there were three years of hell
1054
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:40,640
17 8 2017 18 and 19
1055
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,800
with three years
1056
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,240
this longest period of excruciating pain
1057
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,839
in my life
1058
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,839
uh
1059
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:49,760
there wasn't any other way and we barely
1060
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:52,160
made it and we're on the ragged edge of
1061
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,880
bankruptcy the entire time
1062
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,480
so
1063
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,280
so when you felt like i want
1064
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,960
pain
1065
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,079
i don't like it
1066
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,720
um
1067
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,680
those were three or three so so much
1068
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,440
pain
1069
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,760
but it had to be done or tesla would be
1070
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,599
dead when you looked around the
1071
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,560
gigafactory that we saw images of
1072
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:11,359
earlier
1073
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,440
um last week and just see where the
1074
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:16,560
companies come i mean do you feel that
1075
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,960
that this this challenge of
1076
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,920
figuring out the the new way of
1077
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,280
manufacturing um that you that
1078
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,480
you actually have an edge now that it's
1079
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,160
different that you've figured out how to
1080
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,680
do this and
1081
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,280
and um from
1082
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,440
those three years
1083
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:36,079
what won't be repeated you've actually
1084
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,079
figured out a new way of manufacturing
1085
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,280
at this point i think i know
1086
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,560
more about manufacturing than anyone
1087
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,560
currently alive on earth
1088
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,240
between that
1089
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,440
yeah
1090
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,839
i'll tell you i can tell you how every
1091
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,359
damn part part in that car is made
1092
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:56,640
which basically if you just live on the
1093
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:58,960
factory live in the factory for three
1094
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,599
years and
1095
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,760
that was nice that was a poignant note
1096
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,440
or something
1097
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,760
someone wants to compose a symphony to
1098
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,040
that uh expression of confidence uh
1099
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,640
something like that i have no idea what
1100
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,320
that is
1101
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,839
anyway yeah
1102
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,119
every aspect of a car six weeks to
1103
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:16,880
sunday i know
1104
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,720
i mean you you you
1105
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,200
talk about scale right now you're in the
1106
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:23,200
middle of writing your new master plan
1107
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,119
and you've said that scale is at the
1108
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,880
heart of it
1109
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,720
why does scale matter why are you
1110
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,800
obsessed with that what are you thinking
1111
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,560
yeah well see
1112
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,480
in order in order to accelerate the
1113
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,240
advent of sustainable energy
1114
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,040
uh there must be scale
1115
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:41,280
because we've got a transition um a vast
1116
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,680
economy that is currently uh overly
1117
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,400
dependent on fossil fuels to a
1118
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,079
sustainable energy economy one where the
1119
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,839
energy is uh
1120
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,839
yeah i mean we got to do it
1121
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:00,000
so so the energy's got to be sustainably
1122
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:02,480
generated with wind solar uh hydro
1123
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,040
geothermal i i'm a believer in nuclear
1124
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,839
as uh as well i think ever talk about
1125
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,440
and
1126
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,960
uh and then you you
1127
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,000
since solar and wind is intermittent you
1128
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,480
have to have stationary storage
1129
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,040
batteries and and then we're going to
1130
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,280
transition all transport um
1131
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,640
to to electric uh
1132
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,720
if we do those things we have a
1133
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:24,000
sustainable energy future the faster we
1134
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,599
do those things the less risk we
1135
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,359
the less risk we
1136
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:31,119
put to the environment
1137
00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:33,760
uh so sooner is better uh and and so
1138
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:35,520
scale is very important um
1139
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,000
you know it's not about it's not about
1140
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,920
press releases it's about tonnage what
1141
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,240
was the tonnage of
1142
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,720
of batteries produced
1143
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:47,520
and obviously done in a sustainable way
1144
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:50,560
and and our estimate is that
1145
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,960
approximately 300 terawatt hours of
1146
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:55,119
battery storage is needed to transition
1147
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,000
uh transport uh
1148
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:00,880
electricity and and heating and cooling
1149
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,760
uh to a fully electric situation others
1150
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,599
may
1151
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,640
there's there may be some
1152
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:09,440
different estimates out out there but uh
1153
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,720
our estimate is 300 terawatt hours yeah
1154
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,079
so we dug into this a lot in the
1155
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,680
interview that we recorded last week and
1156
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,599
so people can go in and hear that more
1157
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,599
but i mean the context is that is i
1158
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,839
think about a thousand times the current
1159
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,839
install battery capacity i mean the
1160
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:24,480
scale up needed is
1161
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:25,760
breathtaking basically yeah and and and
1162
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,839
um
1163
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,720
yeah so so your vision is to commit
1164
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:32,400
tesla to try to deliver on a meaningful
1165
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,000
percentage of what is needed yeah and
1166
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,560
what and call on others to do the rest
1167
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,960
that this is what this is a task for
1168
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,880
humanity to massively scale up our
1169
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,680
response to change change the energy
1170
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,119
grade
1171
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,760
yes it it's
1172
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:49,359
it's like basically how fast can we can
1173
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,720
we scale um and encourage others to
1174
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:53,359
scale
1175
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:57,520
to get to that 300 terawatt hour
1176
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:59,119
installed uh base of batteries right
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00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,560
and then of course uh there'll be a
1178
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,880
tremendous need to recycle those
1179
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,920
batteries which is i and it makes sense
1180
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,200
to recycle them because the raw
1181
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,079
materials are like high grade ore um so
1182
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,119
people shouldn't think well they'd be
1183
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,040
this big pile of batteries now they're
1184
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,640
going to get recycled because the
1185
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,119
even a dead battery pack is worth about
1186
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,359
a thousand dollars so
1187
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,520
um but but this is what's needed for a
1188
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:21,119
sustainable energy future so we're going
1189
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,760
to try to take the set of actions that
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00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:27,599
accelerate the day of and bring the day
1191
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:30,599
of a sustainable energy future sooner
1192
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,599
okay
1193
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,079
there's going to be a huge interest in
1194
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,880
your master plan when you when you
1195
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,920
publish that um meanwhile i just i would
1196
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,520
love to
1197
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,200
understand more
1198
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,960
what goes on in this brain of yours
1199
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,800
because it is it is a pretty unique one
1200
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,440
i want to play with your permission this
1201
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,960
very funny opening from snl saturday
1202
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,720
night live can we have the volume there
1203
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,560
actually please sorry
1204
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,880
it's an honor to be hosting saturday
1205
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,119
night live i mean that
1206
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,380
sometimes after i say something i have
1207
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,520
to say i mean that
1208
00:42:58,380 --> 00:43:02,560
[Music]
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00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,240
so people really know that i mean
1210
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,119
that's because i don't always have a lot
1211
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:09,200
of
1212
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:13,119
international variation in how i speak
1213
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:14,560
which i'm told makes for great comedy
1214
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:16,000
i'm actually making history tonight as
1215
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,280
the first person
1216
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,680
with asperger's to host snl
1217
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,280
[Applause]
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00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,720
and i think you followed that up with at
1219
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,040
least the first person to admit it the
1220
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:29,599
first person to admit it
1221
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,599
but i mean
1222
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,880
so this was a great thing to say
1223
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,400
but i i would love to
1224
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,319
understand
1225
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,079
whether you know how you think of of
1226
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:44,880
asperger's like whether you can give us
1227
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:47,200
any sense of even you as a boy how what
1228
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,200
what the experience
1229
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,599
was or as you now
1230
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,760
understand with the benefit of hindsight
1231
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,200
can you talk about that a bit
1232
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,720
well i think i think everyone's
1233
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,400
experience is going to be somewhat
1234
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,880
different
1235
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:05,680
but i guess for me the
1236
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:08,079
social cues were not uh intuitive so
1237
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,760
i was just very bookish and i didn't
1238
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,760
understand
1239
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,119
this i guess
1240
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:17,280
others could
1241
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:20,079
sort of intuitively understand uh
1242
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,680
what watches meant by something
1243
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:24,000
i would just tend to take things very
1244
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,319
literally as just like the words
1245
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,720
as spoken word exactly what they meant
1246
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:31,200
but but then that
1247
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,880
didn't turn out to be wrong
1248
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,480
you can't they do not they're not simply
1249
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,680
saying exactly what they mean
1250
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,200
there's all sorts of other things that
1251
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,880
are meant it took me a while to figure
1252
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,319
that out um
1253
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,720
so
1254
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:44,000
i was you know bullied quite a lot
1255
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:46,160
um
1256
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,160
so
1257
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:50,960
i didn't i did not have a sort of happy
1258
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,880
childhood to be frank was quite quite
1259
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,079
rough um
1260
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,160
and um
1261
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:57,520
but i read a lot of books i read lots
1262
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,440
and lots of books
1263
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,040
and so that you know
1264
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,520
sort of
1265
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,119
gradually i sort of understood more from
1266
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,119
the books that i was reading and watched
1267
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:09,440
a lot of movies
1268
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,440
and
1269
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,160
you know just
1270
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,200
but it took it took me it took me a
1271
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,880
while to understand things that most
1272
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,960
people
1273
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,280
intuitively understand
1274
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,119
so i've wondered whether it's possible
1275
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,240
that that was in a strange way an
1276
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,560
incredible gift to you and and
1277
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:33,520
indirectly to many other people
1278
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:36,240
in as much as
1279
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,680
brains you know are plastic and they
1280
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,839
they they go where the action is and if
1281
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,280
in for some reason the external world
1282
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:45,280
and social cues which so many people
1283
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,359
spend so much time and energy and mental
1284
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,800
energy obsessing over if that is partly
1285
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:50,720
cut off
1286
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,240
isn't it possible that that is partly
1287
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,720
what gave you
1288
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:56,640
the ability to
1289
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,880
understand inwardly
1290
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,520
the world at a much deeper level than
1291
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:05,040
than most people do
1292
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:08,240
i suppose that's certainly possible um
1293
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:11,040
i think this may be some value also from
1294
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:13,839
a technology standpoint because
1295
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,920
i found it uh rewarding to spend all
1296
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:18,480
night programming computers
1297
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,079
um just by myself and
1298
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,319
i think most people
1299
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:24,000
most people don't enjoy typing strange
1300
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:24,960
symbols into a computer by themselves
1301
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,160
all night
1302
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,319
they think that's
1303
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:32,000
not fun but i thought it was i really
1304
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:33,599
liked it um so so i just programmed all
1305
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,359
night by myself and
1306
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:41,440
um i found that to be quite enjoyable
1307
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:43,280
um but but i think that is not uh normal
1308
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,839
[Music]
1309
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,319
so i mean it does you know i've thought
1310
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:50,400
a lot about
1311
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:51,839
it's a riddle to a lot of people of of
1312
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,920
how you've done this how you've
1313
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:55,920
repeatedly innovated in these different
1314
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,160
industries and it it does you know every
1315
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,440
entrepreneur sees possibility in the
1316
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,760
future and then acts to make that real
1317
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,800
it it feels to me like you see
1318
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,800
possibility just more broadly than
1319
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,839
almost anyone and can connect with so
1320
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:14,000
you see scientific possibility based on
1321
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:15,359
a deep understanding of physics and
1322
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,240
knowing what the fundamental equations
1323
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:18,319
are
1324
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,760
what the technologies are that are based
1325
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:21,760
on that science and where they could go
1326
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,160
you see technological possibility and
1327
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,440
then really unusually you combine that
1328
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,760
with
1329
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,920
economic possibility of like what it
1330
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,119
actually would cost is there a system
1331
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,839
you can imagine where you could
1332
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:37,520
affordably make that thing and that that
1333
00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:39,520
sometimes you then get conviction that
1334
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,520
there is an opportunity here put those
1335
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,559
pieces together and you could do
1336
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,480
something
1337
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,640
amazing
1338
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,280
yeah i think one aspect of whatever
1339
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,760
condition i had um was i was just
1340
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:55,119
absolutely obsessed with truth
1341
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,119
just obsessed with truth
1342
00:47:55,440 --> 00:48:01,119
and and so the obsession with truth is
1343
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:03,440
why i studied physics
1344
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,480
because physics attempts to understand
1345
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,480
the
1346
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,200
the truth the truth of the universe
1347
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:11,520
physics just it's just what are the
1348
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,640
provable truths of the universe
1349
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,079
um
1350
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,680
and and true and truths that have
1351
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,559
predictive power
1352
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,319
um
1353
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:21,359
so for me physics was sort of a very
1354
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:23,119
natural thing to study
1355
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:24,960
nobody made me study it it was
1356
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:27,359
intrinsically interesting
1357
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,920
to understand the nature of the universe
1358
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:32,559
and then computer science
1359
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,680
or information theory
1360
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:36,559
also to just i understand uh logic and
1361
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,760
and
1362
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,800
uh
1363
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,400
you know there's an also there's an
1364
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,319
argument that
1365
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,240
you know that you the that information
1366
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:45,760
theory is actually operating
1367
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:48,319
at a more fundamental level more
1368
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,200
fundamental level than than even physics
1369
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:50,720
um
1370
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,440
so
1371
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:55,760
uh just yeah um
1372
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,559
the physics and information theory uh
1373
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,960
were really interesting to me so when
1374
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,960
you say truth i mean it's it's not
1375
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,559
like some people
1376
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,760
so it's what you're talking about is the
1377
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,119
truth of the universe like the
1378
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,359
fundamental truths that drive the
1379
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:11,599
universe it's like a deep curiosity
1380
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:14,240
about what this universe is why we're
1381
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:15,359
here simulation why not you know we
1382
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,599
don't have time to go into that but i
1383
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:19,280
mean it's you're just deeply curious
1384
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:21,520
about
1385
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,240
what this is for what this is this whole
1386
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,079
thing yes i mean i think the why the why
1387
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,880
of things is very important
1388
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,240
um
1389
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,440
i i actually
1390
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:33,119
uh when i was a i don't know
1391
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,599
so young teens
1392
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:36,880
uh i i got quite depressed about the
1393
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,559
meaning of life
1394
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,400
um and i was trying to sort of
1395
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:44,240
understand the meaning of life looking
1396
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,160
at reading religious texts and and
1397
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,839
reading books on philosophy
1398
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,440
and i got into the german philosophers
1399
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:52,319
which is definitely not wise if you're a
1400
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,559
young teenager i have to say
1401
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:55,960
can be ripped out but dark
1402
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,520
so
1403
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,400
[Music]
1404
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,800
much better at as an adult i um and and
1405
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,839
then actually i ended up reading um the
1406
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,559
hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
1407
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:11,280
which is actually a book on philosophy
1408
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:13,599
just sort of disguised as a silly humor
1409
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,040
book but but actually the book it's
1410
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,400
actually a
1411
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,280
philosophy book
1412
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and
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00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,839
uh adams uh makes the point that
1414
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,599
it's actually the
1415
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:24,800
the question that is harder than the
1416
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,720
answer
1417
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,960
um you know this sort of makes a joke
1418
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:31,119
that the answer was 42. um that number
1419
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:34,480
does pop up a lot um
1420
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:38,160
and 420 is just 10 14 10 10 times 10
1421
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,640
times more significant than 42. okay
1422
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,440
you know there's um you can make a
1423
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triangle with 42 or 42 degrees and two
1424
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,480
69s
1425
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,160
um
1426
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,040
so there's no such thing as a perfect
1427
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,040
triangle or is there
1428
00:50:52,839 --> 00:50:58,079
but even more important than the answer
1429
00:50:56,319 --> 00:50:59,599
is the questions that was the whole
1430
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:01,440
theme of that book i mean is that yeah
1431
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:04,000
basically how you see meaning then it's
1432
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,119
the pursuit of questions yeah so i have
1433
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,440
a sort of
1434
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:10,240
you know a proposal for a world view or
1435
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,079
a motivate a motivating philosophy which
1436
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:14,640
is to understand
1437
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:17,599
what questions to ask about the answer
1438
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,119
that is the universe and the to agree
1439
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,319
that we expand the scope and scale of
1440
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,200
consciousness
1441
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:22,960
uh
1442
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,000
biological and digital
1443
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,960
uh we will be better able to to uh ask
1444
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,720
these
1445
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,400
these questions to frame these questions
1446
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:32,720
and to understand
1447
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,400
why we're here how we got here what
1448
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:36,400
what the heck is going on
1449
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,240
and so that that is my driving
1450
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,520
philosophy is to expand the scope and
1451
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,720
scale of consciousness that we may
1452
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,800
better understand the nature of the
1453
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,800
universe
1454
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,280
elon one of the things that was most
1455
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,119
touching last week
1456
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,480
was uh was seeing you hang out with your
1457
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,280
kids um here's if i may
1458
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,880
um
1459
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,890
it looks vaguely like a ventriloquist
1460
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,599
dummy there
1461
00:51:55,890 --> 00:52:00,720
[Laughter]
1462
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,720
i mean how do you know that's real
1463
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,160
um
1464
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,000
so that's x and and you know you're it
1465
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,480
was just a delight seeing seeing you
1466
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,760
hang out with him and
1467
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,559
what
1468
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,559
what what what's his future
1469
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,400
going to be i mean i don't mean him
1470
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,520
personally but the world he's going to
1471
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,280
grow up in
1472
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,599
what future do you believe he will grow
1473
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,599
up in
1474
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:29,240
well i mean a very digital future
1475
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,240
um
1476
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,839
a very a different world than i grew up
1477
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,280
in that's for sure
1478
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:38,960
um
1479
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,640
but i think we want to obviously do our
1480
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,440
absolute best to ensure that the future
1481
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,960
is good uh for everyone's children
1482
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,800
um and
1483
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,160
and that
1484
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,599
you know that the future is something
1485
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,280
that that you can look forward to and
1486
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,160
not feel sad about
1487
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,119
um
1488
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,800
you know you want to get up in the
1489
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,400
morning and be be excited about the
1490
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,800
future and we should fight for the
1491
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,520
things that make us excited about the
1492
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,760
future you know the future cannot it
1493
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,359
cannot just be that one
1494
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,200
miserable thing after another solving
1495
00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:09,680
one sad problem after another there got
1496
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:12,319
to be things that get you excited like
1497
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,040
you're like you want to live
1498
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:17,200
these things are very important
1499
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,040
you should have more of it
1500
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,880
and it's not as if it's a done deal like
1501
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:23,040
it's all it's all to play for like the
1502
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,640
future may be
1503
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,800
horrible still there are scenarios where
1504
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:32,480
it is horrible but you you see a pathway
1505
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:34,000
to an exciting future both on earth and
1506
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,280
on mars and
1507
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,359
in our minds through artificial
1508
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,359
intelligence and so forth i mean in your
1509
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:41,839
in your heart of hearts do you really
1510
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:43,440
believe that you are helping deliver
1511
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:44,559
that exciting
1512
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,440
future
1513
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,359
for
1514
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,400
ex and for
1515
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:52,079
others
1516
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,079
i'm trying my hardest to do so
1517
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,880
i
1518
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:58,800
you know
1519
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,920
i love humanity and i think
1520
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,520
that
1521
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,559
we should fight for a good future for
1522
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,640
humanity and i think we should be
1523
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:06,559
optimistic about the future and fight to
1524
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,559
make that optimistic optimistic future
1525
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,559
happen
1526
00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:13,099
[Music]
1527
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:16,960
i think that's that's the perfect place
1528
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:19,200
to close this thank you so much for
1529
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,200
spending time coming here and for the
1530
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,280
work that you're doing and good luck
1531
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:26,800
with finding a wise course through on
1532
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,119
twitter and everything else all right
1533
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,119
thank you
1534
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:32,240
hey guys
1535
00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:37,579
[Music]
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