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[door opens]
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[somber music plays]
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Glenn Beck: I think there was
a real tear inside of Roger.
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This wanting to be liked,
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wanting to be somebody.
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He said, "I'm writing a book
about my life for my son
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because when I go
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people are gonna say
awful things about me
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and I want him to know that
that's not all his dad was."
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[projector clicking]
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I think Roger thought
he could control
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the little genie in the bottle,
and he couldn't.
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And here we are.
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It's easy to make somebody
into a monster.
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It's hard to see
that you're on that path too.
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[somber music plays]
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Bret Baier: We are
about four hours away
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from history here in Cleveland.
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A man with no previous political
experience, a real estate mogul,
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a reality TV star,
a millionaire businessman
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is about to take his place
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at the top
of the GOP presidential ticket.
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Sarah Ellison: It was a big
moment of triumph forFox News.
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Joe, what an amazing moment.
This is emotional.
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all [chanting]: We want Trump!
We...
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It was unthinkable
that Donald Trump
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as a candidate
would exist without them.
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About an hour from now,
Mr. Trump and his family
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will arrive here
via his helicopter
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and they will quite literally
hover over our cameras.
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It was like a hall of mirrors.
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You couldn't look anywhere
and not see Roger.
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He had his people everywhere
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operating behind the scenes.
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People who were
extremely loyal to him
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and who would defend him
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with every little weapon
they had in their arsenal.
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Alisyn Camerota:
He was the king.
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A powerful, influential person
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who changed the country.
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And the Republican Convention
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should've been
this crowning moment for Roger.
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But instead,
he was embroiled in chaos.
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Steve Kornacki: Actually,
stand by, David
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we'll hold you over
to the next block,
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and I'll tell all our viewers
at home why.
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It's because we have some
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breaking news here.
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This is very big news
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from the world of politics,
the world of media.
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And the news is that
Roger Ailes has now resigned
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as chairman and CEO
of the Fox News Channel
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and Fox Business Network.
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The man who created conservative
leaning Fox News two decades ago
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was forced out over allegations
of sexual harassment.
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I'm Gretchen Carlson.
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male anchor #1:
Journalist Gretchen Carlson
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taking onFox News chairman
and CEO, Roger Ailes.
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female anchor #1: Ailes called
Carlson's allegations
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offensive and defamatory,
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and said that they would be
vigorously defended.
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He said, "We are going to blow
these people out of the water.
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We are gonna destroy them."
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"And she'll be sorry
she ever started this thing."
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male reporter #1: Roger almost
single-handedly built
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Fox News Channel
from absolutely nothing
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into the most-watched
news operation in all of cable.
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Fox anchor #1: Revolutionary
in American politics,
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shaper of American history.
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female reporter #1:
He was in the Nixon White House,
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worked on the re-election
campaign for Ronald Reagan.
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You could really credit
Roger Ailes
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with helping to create
three Republican presidents.
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Ivanka Trump: And I could not
be more proud tonight
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to present to you
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our next president
Donald J. Trump.
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[crowd cheering]
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female reporter #2: It's ironic
that on the eve
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of Donald Trump's coronation
as the Republican nominee,
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the ultimate Republican
kingmaker, Roger Ailes
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is to have his kingdom
taken away.
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male announcer #1:
Ladies and gentlemen
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the next president
of the United States
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Mr. Donald J. Trump!
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[firecrackers whistling]
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Roger Ailes:
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My personal view is
we have a desperate need
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to return to the basics
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common sense things
we all learned as kids:
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God, family, country,
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pay the bills, work hard,
help your neighbor.
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The New York
and Hollywood elites,
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they think their job is to drag
the rest of the redneck morons
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toward the light.
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They don't understand
the people
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that grew up with values.
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Austin Pendleton: I first met
Roger Ailes
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in junior high school,
in civics class.
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We would have debates about
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like, the race between
Eisenhower and Stevenson
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and I was
a closet Stevenson person.
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But the arguments
that Roger would make
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in favor of Eisenhower
were so persuasive
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that I thought, "I don't agree
with you, but I see your point."
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We all wanted to be like Roger.
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He was witty and intelligent.
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Mercilessly funny.
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Also, Roger was the handsomest
young man you can imagine.
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Launa Newman: Warren was
a beautiful, clean,
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wonderful city.
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Everywhere you looked,
there was something historic
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or, you know,
traditional or patriotic.
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And you felt it.
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It was part
of being from Warren, Ohio.
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Austin Pendleton: Roger's father
was a factory foreman,
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and he was
a very important figure to him.
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He was like one of those
prophets from the Old Testament.
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Very stern.
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Roger Ailes:
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I was terrified,
but I loved my dad.
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His father was a union man
who hated the unions.
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Who-- who was frightened
of the unions.
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He said to Roger,
"Mark my words.
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The liberals
will destroy this town."
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Now, it's unfair to say
that they did that,
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but in the '70s,
that prophecy came true.
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And Roger saw
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all the industry move out.
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Their livelihood was gone.
Overnight.
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And he saw the pride
that people had
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disappearing too.
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[thunder rumbling]
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Austin Pendleton: Roger lived
his whole life in fear.
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A physical, real fear
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of bleeding to death.
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He had hemophilia diagnosed
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when he was about
four years old.
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But he was a survivor.
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And he operated fearlessly,
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like a lot of people
who have real fears often do.
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Roger Ailes: I had a condition
that was passed through women.
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In other words, the mother
has to give you hemophilia.
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I don't know that that had
anything to do with it,
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but I was never particularly
physical with my mother.
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I think she was scared of it.
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She may have had some feeling
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about the fact
that I got it from her.
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Austin Pendleton:
Roger's daily life
was a fear of annihilation.
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He said, "It's like
you walk around all your life
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with a time bomb in you."
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And I think this allowed him
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to understand the fears
of other people.
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You're in danger,
I'm in danger.
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We're at war,
and this is not going to stop.
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We gotta understand
what's in our country
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and take out the people
that wanna see us die.
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You're seeing them come
out of the shadows, the caves...
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Picture is really shocking.
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Jihad right here
on our own soil.
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This is the ultimate battle
of good versus evil.
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We need to kill them.
We need to kill them.
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[static]
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♪ If a picture paints
A thousand words ♪
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♪ Then why can't I paint you?
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[indistinct chatter]
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Roger Ailes:
I used to be a production
assistant for Mike Douglas.
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I ran sandwiches for the stars,
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and I moved up quickly.
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I learned
if your audience likes you
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they'll forgive just about
everything else you do wrong.
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[audience cheering]
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[The Mike Douglas Show
theme music plays]
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The Mike Douglas Show
was the only daytime talk show
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uh, at the time.
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And we did it
five days a week live.
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♪ I bought it
At a second-hand store ♪
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I co-created
The Mike Douglas Show,
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and I booked all the big stars.
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Look, the pig that I am today.
[laughs]
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Kenneth Johnson:
Every actor in a movie,
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a lot of directors
would come through.
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Plus, there were animal acts.
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And, obviously, there were
a lot of dieting segments
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and that sort of thing.
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- Oh, something's on fire here.
- It'll go out.
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Launa Newman:
It was just fun.
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Kenneth Johnson:
Roger was an associate producer
on the show,
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and a guy named Larry Rosen
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was really next in line
to be the producer.
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Launa Newman: He was
the first producer hired.
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He'd been on the show
the longest, next to me,
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and it was obviously
gonna be Larry. Uh-uh.
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Kenneth Johnson:
Roger convinced Mike
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that he would be
the better producer than Larry.
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And Roger became the producer
of The Mike Douglas Show.
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And that was a big shock
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because you couldn't see him
maneuvering.
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[aircraft droning]
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The only person that I saw
Roger Ailes ever really hit on
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was Richard Nixon.
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Kenneth Johnson: In 1968, during
the presidential campaign,
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when he was going to be running
against Bobby Kennedy,
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Nixon came to Philadelphia
because, like all politicians
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he recognized the impact that
The Mike Douglas Show had
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on millions of people.
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Why, you look wonderful.
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You're suntanned,
you're rested-looking.
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Yes.
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Have you ever regretted
entering politics
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at such a, an early age?
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No, um, politics, of course,
is a, is a great battle.
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Uh, all of life
is a great battle.
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- Indeed, yes.
- You're really a riot.
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[laughing]
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Kenneth Johnson:
After the show was over,
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Roger pulled Nixon
into his office
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just the two of them, and said,
"You need a media advisor."
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"What's a media advisor, Roger?"
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And Roger said, "I am.
It's a title I just created.
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You need someone
that can shape you,
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that can make you presentable
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and the most palatable
you can possibly be
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and get you elected president."
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And Nixon believed him.
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So Roger, very soon after,
left the show
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and went off
to produce Richard Nixon.
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Roger Ailes:
Let's face it, a lot of people
think Nixon is dull.
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They think he's a bore,
a pain in the ass.
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We have a sound dollar...
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They look at him
as the kind of kid
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who always carried the book bag
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who was 42 years old
the day he was born.
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They figure other kids
got footballs for Christmas,
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Nixon got a briefcase,
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and he loved it.
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...projects that otherwise
would be feasible.
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Nixon needed someone
who had knowledge of
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and command
of the use of television.
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And that, of course,
was reinforced
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by what had happened to him
in 1960.
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Felycia Sugarman: That was
the Nixon-Kennedy debate
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where Nixon loses to Kennedy
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because he sweats on television.
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[Kennedy indistinctly speaking]
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Pat Buchanan: He looked bad.
He had not put on makeup.
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And even his own mother
was calling in
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and asking how her son was.
Was he okay?
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Felycia Sugarman:
And, of course, Kennedy went on
to become president.
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So Roger told Nixon
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"If you don't take television
seriously this time
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you're gonna lose again."
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Roger Ailes:
I'm gonna fire this fucking
director right after the show.
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I mean, look at the positioning
of these cameras.
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I told him 50 times,
"I want close-ups."
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Close-ups.
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I wanna see faces.
I wanna see pores.
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That's what people are.
That's what television is.
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I don't give a fuck
about the seats.
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I gave up 30 seats
to get a tight show.
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Kenneth Johnson: Roger and I
had had many conversations
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about the power
of, uh, the media
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and particularly,
the great Nazi propaganda film
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by Leni Riefenstahl,
Triumph Of The Will.
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[speaking in German]
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And I talked to Roger a lot
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about the specific
camera angles that she used
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to make Hitler seem heroic
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and about putting it
in the right kind of setting
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which made it so powerful.
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And Roger told me
he really thought about that
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when he created for Nixon, um
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"The Man In The Arena."
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male announcer #2:
Tonight from Philadelphia,
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live and in color,
Nixon In Pennsylvania.
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Tonight, Richard Nixon,
in person, is going to face
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a panel of citizens asking
questions they want answered.
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Kenneth Johnson:
He put him in the arena
surrounded by the audience.
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And, uh, it was
an amazing propaganda piece.
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I'd like to stress the point
that this is a live program.
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male announcer #3:
No one has any idea
what questions will be asked.
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Mr. Nixon
cannot possibly know.
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male announcer #2:
Tonight from Atlanta,
The Nixon Answer.
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You have to have the big stroke
of the federal government
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in order to handle
a particular problem like that.
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Richard Nixon.
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We've got the power, we've got
a wonderfully motivated people.
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male announcer #3:
Richard Nixon.
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Well, anyway, uh...
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male announcer #4:
With 287 electoral votes
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Richard Nixon goes over the top
to win the 1968 election.
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[crowd cheering]
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Good evening.
I'm Mike Wallace.
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For better or worse,
television has changed
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the nature of the political
process in the United States.
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- [applause]
- Right. Okay.
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This year,
another innovation was tried.
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The controlled discussion
with the questioners
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picked
by the candidate's producer.
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male anchor #2:
Roger Ailes was that producer.
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And in the book,
The Selling Of The President,
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he was given a good share
of the credit
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for the successful format.
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male #1: In your estimation,
is television
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the single most important factor
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in a winning political campaign?
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Let me put it this way,
I don't believe
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any, anyone will ever be elected
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to a major public office again
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including mayors of big cities
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without the skillful use
of television.
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And that skillful use
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is that an illumination
of the issues
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or an emotional sell
of the man involved?
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I think both.
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I think both. I don't think you
can isolate one or the other.
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I think that there's
an emotional reaction
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to what you see on the screen
regardless of what it is.
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John Cook: When I was first
reporting on Fox News
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everyone knew
what Roger Ailes' history was.
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That he was an aide to Nixon
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and-and other
Republican presidents,
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but it was kind of
below the radar.
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So I filed information requests
with the Nixon archives.
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And one of the things
that I discovered
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was this astonishing document
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called A Plan
To Put The GOP On TV.
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Its author is unclear.
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However, the copy I obtained
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had Roger Ailes' handwriting
all over it
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in notes that were directed
to H.R. Haldeman,
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a-a top aide
in the Nixon White House.
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And the memo said
the liberal elite
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has a chokehold
on the national news networks,
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but local television stations
in Wisconsin
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and in Utah
have their own news programs
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and they are hungry
for footage.
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So it was a proposal
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that the Nixon White House,
with taxpayer dollars,
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fund an operation
that would interview
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Republican members of Congress,
in Washington,
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and fly the footage
to these local stations
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so that they can get a message
out to their constituents
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without having to rely
on the institutional press.
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And Roger Ailes is all over it
saying, "I can do this."
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Now, it never happened,
but the idea
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the germ goes straight into
what Fox News is all about.
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...our immigration could be...
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How do we get a message
to the people
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without having to go through
a critical press?
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[indistinct chatter]
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I think that Roger
was a kind of genius,
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in the sense
that he created something
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that didn't exist before.
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And I think that there
is a "Citizen Kane" quality
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to his life.
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And I remember
he told me this story
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that when he was a boy,
he and his brother had bunk beds
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and Roger was on the top bunk
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and his dad walked in
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and opened up his arms and said
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"Jump, Roger. Jump."
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And Roger jumped
and his father stepped away
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and Roger fell on the ground.
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And his father
looked down on him and he said
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"Don't trust anybody."
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And I still have an image
of Roger's face
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when he would tell me that.
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I felt like he was searching.
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He was like, "How could my dad
do that to me?"
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So there was a lot anger.
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There was a lot of anger.
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And I think
he capitalized on that.
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male #1 on TV: Al D'Amato,
a family man fighting...
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male #2 on TV: Deukmejian,
the difference is leadership.
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I'm Dan Quayle. I'm very
optimistic about our future.
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Felycia Sugarman:
Ailes Communications did
political media consulting
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for congressional races,
senatorial races
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gubernatorial races.
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And we were a small team
doing 14 races
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in 14 different states
simultaneously.
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Stephen Rosenfield: We did
a lot of executive coaching
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and we did political coaching.
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And because
of the Nixon campaign
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and the fact that he had
pulled that thing off,
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you were lucky to get him
and you had to keep him happy.
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- man #1: How is that, Roger?
- man #2: Stand by.
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male anchor #3:
As Jefferson County Judge,
Mitch McConnell won
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national recognition
for exceptional leadership.
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Felycia Sugarman:
Mitch McConnell was a judge.
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He was way down in the polls.
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He was going to lose.
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And Roger was hired
to do a bunch of commercials.
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So we were doing
a fishing spot
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and we had him in the boat,
fishing rod in hand.
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We put a worm and a fish
on the hook
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reeled it into the water
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and then we hear
this little voice go
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"What do I do now, Rog?"
And it was Mitch McConnell.
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And Roger looks at me
and I look at him and Roger says
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you know, "Reel in the fucking
fish, Mitch." [laughs]
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Mitch didn't move
without listening to Roger.
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And a month later,
he's a U.S. senator.
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I'm here with Roger Ailes
who has been called
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the Ernest Hemingway
of campaign advisors.
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male anchor #4:
The bearded veteran
of many political wars
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Roger Ailes,
arrives early this morning
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for a final day of practice.
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Bo Dietl:
From 1984 to 1988
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Roger was the absolute number
one Republican strategist.
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male anchor #5: Roger Ailes,
former TV man for Nixon
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was seen here in South Dakota
this fall.
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Felycia Sugarman:
We were in every state
in the country
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and Roger was a pivotal figure
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in getting Ronald Reagan
elected.
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He was like a kingmaker.
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And he knew that he could blow
his opponents out of the water.
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And that's what he did.
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Stephen Rosenfield: I remember,
I came into the office one day,
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and he said, "You may have
to take over for a few days
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because I was arrested.
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Um, I was carrying a gun
in Central Park
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so I may go to jail."
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And I didn't know he had a gun.
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But Roger was,
you know, he was a maverick,
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he was a bad boy,
and, uh, he liked that.
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Roger Ailes: I know you've heard
people are afraid of me.
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I don't remember
threatening anybody.
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But if somebody comes to me
looking for a fight
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they might get one.
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My dad taught me how to fight.
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He said, "Remember, son,
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for them, it's a fight,
for you, it's life or death."
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female anchor #2: And now
to tonight's Focus '88 coverage
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of the race
for the White House.
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President Reagan
is stopping in Texas
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trying to help the George Bush
for president campaign.
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female anchor #3: An NBC News-
Wall Street Journal poll
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shows Dukakis beating Bush
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by 15 points in a head-to-head.
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- Try with the glasses.
- producer: Five seconds.
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Bush has already initiated
damage control.
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Big Rog, how are you, pal?
I'm glad to see you.
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Diane Donati:
First thing I did was
with, uh, George H.W. Bush.
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Roger was running an ad
for a production manager.
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And when I realized what it was
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which was Republican commercials
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I said, "I don't think
I really want this."
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I was always very liberal,
but, um, I needed a job.
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[indistinct chatter]
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What's going on?
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Vice President Bush
was a real gentleman.
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And I don't think he understood
the down and dirty,
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the world Roger could relate to.
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Roger always knew
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the lowest common denominator
in people.
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He knew how to strike at that.
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And I think
that's why George used Roger.
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He needed a bulldog,
he needed somebody
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who could play that game.
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And that might have been
the beginning of it,
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of the negative,
really negative ads.
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male #2:
Which candidate for president
gave weekend passes
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to first-degree murderers
who were not even eligible
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for parole? Michael Dukakis.
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male #3: Dukakis not only
opposes the death penalty
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he allowed
first-degree murderers
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to have weekend passes
from prison.
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One was Willie Horton
who murdered a boy in a robbery
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stabbing him 19 times.
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Despite a life sentence,
Horton received
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ten weekend passes from prison.
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Horton fled, kidnapped a young
couple, stabbing the man
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and repeatedly raping
his girlfriend.
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Weekend Prison Passes.
Dukakis On Crime.
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The message
of the Willie Horton ad was
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"If you elect Michael Dukakis,
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he's going to let all
these black men out of prison
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to come and stab your children,
rape your wives."
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- It's true.
- You think it's racist?
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No, I don't think it's racist.
I think the man I see there
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is neither black nor white.
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If you put a white man up there,
would that be racist?
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But it has that effect
of scaring the dickens
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- out of white people, right?
- Well, the Bush campaign
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had absolutely nothing to do
with that ad.
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In fact, I wish
it'd never have aired.
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Sarah Ellison: He says
he didn't do the first one
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the most controversial ad.
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But he certainly promoted
the entire storyline
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of Willie Horton
and scary black men.
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male #4: While out,
many committed other crimes.
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It was revolutionary
at the time, and it worked.
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male announcer #5:
Ladies and gentlemen,
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the president
of the United States.
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[crow cheering]
496
00:26:54,221 --> 00:26:57,616
Felycia Sugarman: There are only
a handful of people
497
00:26:57,659 --> 00:27:01,620
who can so critically
498
00:27:02,229 --> 00:27:05,449
affect the power in this country
499
00:27:06,276 --> 00:27:07,930
over decades.
500
00:27:07,974 --> 00:27:09,758
And Roger's
absolutely one of them.
501
00:27:11,673 --> 00:27:13,283
And when you think
about the people
502
00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:15,764
who are running the country
even now,
503
00:27:15,982 --> 00:27:18,245
all these senators
and congressmen,
504
00:27:18,506 --> 00:27:20,116
he put them there.
505
00:27:22,118 --> 00:27:23,772
Diane Donati:
That's definitely Roger
506
00:27:24,294 --> 00:27:26,470
because his story is about
Nixon or everybody else.
507
00:27:26,514 --> 00:27:31,171
It was what he did for them,
how he made them, you know.
508
00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:34,435
W-Without them, they would
not be where they are.
509
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:39,658
Felycia Sugarman:
And so everyone wanted to be
in his sphere. Everybody.
510
00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:42,443
You know,
he, he was the big guy, right?
511
00:27:42,922 --> 00:27:46,186
Um, did he take advantage
of that?
512
00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:49,015
I don't, I don't know.
I don't know.
513
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,322
Diane Donati:
"Everybody has an agenda."
514
00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:54,194
He used to say that a lot.
515
00:27:54,629 --> 00:27:58,154
And you have to see what it is
that they're after.
516
00:27:58,372 --> 00:28:00,374
And then you can manipulate them
that way.
517
00:28:01,854 --> 00:28:04,813
I think he liked to pick
on the people
518
00:28:04,857 --> 00:28:07,468
who needed him,
who were vulnerable.
519
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:11,864
Not just women,
but women were easy targets.
520
00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:15,998
You know, and-and,
but anybody who looked up to him
521
00:28:16,042 --> 00:28:18,958
who wanted to be there,
you know, who thought
522
00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:21,134
"Oh, I'm at the,
you know, top of my game
523
00:28:21,177 --> 00:28:22,831
if I'm working with Roger."
524
00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:26,182
Like, Judy, his secretary,
525
00:28:27,053 --> 00:28:28,315
she worshipped him.
526
00:28:29,055 --> 00:28:31,622
And I knew
anything I said to her
527
00:28:31,666 --> 00:28:36,062
was basically talking in his ear
at the same time, so...
528
00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:38,194
Alexis:
Was she his mistress then?
529
00:28:38,238 --> 00:28:40,936
I can't say that I saw it
530
00:28:41,415 --> 00:28:44,766
specifically, but there were...
531
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:48,857
I mean, it seemed
a universal acceptance
532
00:28:48,901 --> 00:28:51,555
that everybody knew it
and it was just a giggle.
533
00:28:52,643 --> 00:28:56,125
His wife, Norma, was already
staying at home a lot.
534
00:28:56,343 --> 00:28:58,824
She'd do a little bit
in the editing room and stuff,
535
00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:01,740
but Judy was in constant
contact with her.
536
00:29:02,479 --> 00:29:05,352
And I think that he kind of
liked that he could sort of
537
00:29:05,395 --> 00:29:09,138
play the mistress off the wife
and the wife off the mistress.
538
00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:12,576
I think he was very insecure,
539
00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:16,755
and he needed that feeling
of having a harem.
540
00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:19,888
You know, it's like,
"Look at me. Look at me.
541
00:29:19,932 --> 00:29:23,370
I got 'em both and they do
what I want 'em to do."
542
00:29:26,416 --> 00:29:28,941
Roger Ailes:
My assistant can look at a room
543
00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:32,379
and say, "Watch the fourth guy
on the left.
544
00:29:32,422 --> 00:29:33,772
He hates your guts."
545
00:29:34,642 --> 00:29:36,296
Oh, she can read a room.
546
00:29:36,644 --> 00:29:38,298
She goes in,
she's very friendly
547
00:29:38,994 --> 00:29:40,866
asks if they want coffee
548
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:42,998
and they think
she's the secretary.
549
00:29:43,956 --> 00:29:46,480
But she's reading the room
before I go in.
550
00:30:00,668 --> 00:30:02,844
Kellie Boyle:
I was a big fan of Roger Ailes.
551
00:30:03,627 --> 00:30:06,848
I had read his book, and
in my industry, he was the man.
552
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:10,243
My husband was working
with CNBC.
553
00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:11,940
And he said,
"Roger Ailes is coming in.
554
00:30:11,984 --> 00:30:13,159
Would you like to meet him?"
555
00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:14,813
So I thought
that sounded wonderful.
556
00:30:17,467 --> 00:30:20,122
We met in a restaurant
at Union Station
557
00:30:20,166 --> 00:30:21,994
and had a nice meeting.
558
00:30:22,342 --> 00:30:25,214
And I mentioned to Roger that
I was going to sign a contract
559
00:30:25,432 --> 00:30:27,477
with one
of the big national committees.
560
00:30:27,521 --> 00:30:29,653
And this was
a career-making contract.
561
00:30:29,697 --> 00:30:33,701
Um, o-once you hit that level,
uh, you'd made it.
562
00:30:35,355 --> 00:30:37,009
But once we got into his car
563
00:30:37,052 --> 00:30:39,489
we barely pulled away
from Union Station
564
00:30:39,533 --> 00:30:42,841
and he leaned over and said,
"I can really help you,
565
00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:45,321
but if you wanna play
with the big boys,
566
00:30:45,365 --> 00:30:47,193
you have to lay
with the big boys."
567
00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:49,064
[scoffs]
568
00:30:53,503 --> 00:30:57,856
It just came out of nowhere
and it was very transactional.
569
00:30:59,814 --> 00:31:01,860
So at one point,
I sort of sarcastically said,
570
00:31:01,903 --> 00:31:04,819
"Well, now, would I have to be
anybody else's special friend?"
571
00:31:05,254 --> 00:31:08,475
And he said, "Well, you might
have to give a few blowjobs
572
00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:10,912
here and there, but everyone
will know you're with me."
573
00:31:14,698 --> 00:31:16,265
And a million thoughts
are going through my head.
574
00:31:16,483 --> 00:31:17,614
How do I get out of this?
575
00:31:17,658 --> 00:31:18,964
Because I didn't wanna
offend him
576
00:31:19,007 --> 00:31:21,749
and risk some kind of struggle
in the backseat.
577
00:31:21,967 --> 00:31:23,533
So I just said, uh...
578
00:31:23,577 --> 00:31:25,666
"I'm-I'm gonna think about it
and I'll get back to you."
579
00:31:26,058 --> 00:31:28,712
And he said, "Well, you know,
if you don't agree now
580
00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:30,323
there's a good chance
you won't later on."
581
00:31:30,366 --> 00:31:33,108
And I said, "Well, we're just
gonna have to take that risk."
582
00:31:37,069 --> 00:31:39,288
So I dropped him off and, uh,
583
00:31:39,506 --> 00:31:43,727
I just remember,
uh, shaking on the way back
584
00:31:43,771 --> 00:31:47,122
thinking, "Oh... [scoffs]
why did that happen?
585
00:31:47,688 --> 00:31:51,213
What? Why do I have
to put up with that?
586
00:31:51,257 --> 00:31:53,128
Why? Why?" You know...
587
00:31:57,393 --> 00:31:59,656
So the next morning,
I thought, "That's behind me.
588
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:01,223
I'm not gonna see him again."
589
00:32:01,267 --> 00:32:03,573
So I went to the national
committee for my meeting,
590
00:32:03,617 --> 00:32:05,619
which I had confirmed
the day before.
591
00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:08,230
And I got to the, uh,
the front desk,
592
00:32:08,274 --> 00:32:10,972
and they said, "Oh, he's busy."
593
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,627
I said, "That's strange."
594
00:32:14,193 --> 00:32:16,717
And, um, the next day,
595
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,763
I got a call from Roger Ailes
at home, my home,
596
00:32:19,807 --> 00:32:21,852
and he said,
"How did your meeting go?"
597
00:32:21,896 --> 00:32:25,595
And I said, "Well, very
strangely, it-it didn't happen."
598
00:32:25,639 --> 00:32:27,858
Um, and he said, "Oh,
you'll probably hear from them.
599
00:32:27,902 --> 00:32:29,817
Um, what did you decide?"
600
00:32:30,861 --> 00:32:33,734
And I said, um,
"I'm gonna have to pass, Roger.
601
00:32:33,777 --> 00:32:37,085
Uh, it's just not something
I'm comfortable with."
602
00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:39,609
And, uh, he said,
"Okay, that's, that's fine.
603
00:32:39,653 --> 00:32:41,611
Good luck with everything."
604
00:32:41,655 --> 00:32:43,700
I said,
"Yeah, fine. Okay, good."
605
00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:45,311
So, I hung up and, um
606
00:32:45,833 --> 00:32:47,617
didn't really think
a whole lot more about it
607
00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:50,881
except I wasn't getting
any of my calls returned
608
00:32:50,925 --> 00:32:52,318
to the national committee.
609
00:32:53,188 --> 00:32:55,451
And after a couple of weeks,
I thought
610
00:32:55,495 --> 00:32:56,975
"There's something wrong here."
611
00:32:57,366 --> 00:33:00,804
So I asked a friend
to ask around,
612
00:33:01,022 --> 00:33:03,807
and he called me back
very quickly afterwards
613
00:33:03,851 --> 00:33:06,288
and said,
"You're on a no-hire list."
614
00:33:07,072 --> 00:33:09,509
[scoffs]
I thought, "A no-hire list?"
615
00:33:10,162 --> 00:33:13,339
And then all of sudden,
it all fit into place.
616
00:33:13,774 --> 00:33:16,342
That's what Roger had done
and...
617
00:33:16,951 --> 00:33:18,387
[mumbles]
618
00:33:18,605 --> 00:33:20,389
...that was the end of my
career.
619
00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:33,663
If you wanna have
tremendous political influence
620
00:33:33,707 --> 00:33:36,666
and still be a womanizer,
drug abuser and alcoholic,
621
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:39,365
you only have one choice
of career and that's journalism.
622
00:33:39,713 --> 00:33:41,758
Because journalists
won't attack each other.
623
00:33:41,802 --> 00:33:43,673
They only attack
all the rest of us.
624
00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:44,805
[both laugh]
625
00:33:44,848 --> 00:33:47,199
And anybody who denies it
is lying.
626
00:33:54,336 --> 00:33:56,686
[camera shutter clicking]
627
00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:03,041
Glenn Meehan: I first met
Roger Ailes in the early '90s
628
00:34:03,563 --> 00:34:07,654
when he was starting
an all-talk network
629
00:34:07,697 --> 00:34:09,221
calledAmerica's Talking.
630
00:34:10,004 --> 00:34:12,963
And I think Roger wanted
to be known during this time
631
00:34:13,007 --> 00:34:17,229
as an incredible TV executive,
not a politician.
632
00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:19,231
We congratulate Roger
on his new position
633
00:34:19,448 --> 00:34:21,102
- as Geraldo Rivera's boss.
- [Roger laughs]
634
00:34:21,885 --> 00:34:23,061
I'm politically correct now.
635
00:34:23,104 --> 00:34:25,063
[laughing]
636
00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:26,673
It was an image thing
637
00:34:26,716 --> 00:34:29,415
and he really wanted
to bury his political past.
638
00:34:30,416 --> 00:34:32,548
First, I wanna ask you,
why a talk network?
639
00:34:32,592 --> 00:34:34,985
You know, it seems
that talk shows, uh, come and go
640
00:34:35,029 --> 00:34:37,031
the networks
are saturated with them.
641
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,902
Why does this seem
a good direction to go?
642
00:34:38,946 --> 00:34:41,427
There is a certain segment
of our society
643
00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:44,778
uh, who-who really want to watch
other Americans
644
00:34:44,952 --> 00:34:46,562
talking about things
they care about.
645
00:34:46,954 --> 00:34:48,564
And, um,
I think you're gonna see
646
00:34:48,608 --> 00:34:50,958
a big audience develop
for this kind of thing.
647
00:34:51,437 --> 00:34:54,440
announcer: America's Talking,
a new form of news.
648
00:34:56,137 --> 00:34:59,271
America's Talking
was Roger's baby.
649
00:35:00,446 --> 00:35:03,101
And every single host,
650
00:35:03,144 --> 00:35:05,277
every single show idea,
651
00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:07,888
was from Roger's mind.
652
00:35:09,455 --> 00:35:12,066
He created 12 hours of TV live.
653
00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:16,114
[chuckles]
That's almost insane.
654
00:35:16,505 --> 00:35:18,116
E. Jean on TV:
Today onAsk E. Jean...
655
00:35:18,638 --> 00:35:20,727
And I would say
horrible, hideous stuff
656
00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:24,948
about how some women are able
to ejaculate like men.
657
00:35:25,645 --> 00:35:26,820
Roger didn't care.
658
00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:31,520
As long as the show was juicy
and interesting,
659
00:35:31,999 --> 00:35:33,305
he was all for it.
660
00:35:34,828 --> 00:35:36,612
Hello, I'm Terry Anzur...
661
00:35:36,656 --> 00:35:39,137
Short skirts were encouraged,
662
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,270
and on America's Talking,
I had a see-through desk.
663
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:45,273
And underneath were lights
664
00:35:45,317 --> 00:35:47,188
that shined on my legs.
665
00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:51,149
They didn't put the light
on Chris Matthews' legs.
666
00:35:51,192 --> 00:35:53,107
- Goodnight, Chris.
- Goodnight, Terry.
667
00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:54,761
You know, when I look back
at America's Talking
668
00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:57,155
I realize that there was so much
669
00:35:57,503 --> 00:35:59,853
that you saw on Fox later on.
670
00:36:00,114 --> 00:36:02,464
The mainstream media
in America
671
00:36:02,508 --> 00:36:04,510
is biased and abusive
in their...
672
00:36:04,988 --> 00:36:07,295
Glenn Meehan: A lot of people
don't know that Sean Hannity
673
00:36:07,339 --> 00:36:09,993
started onAmerica's Talking
covering the O.J. trial.
674
00:36:10,037 --> 00:36:11,908
Hello, I'm Bill O'Reilly.
Thank you for watching...
675
00:36:11,952 --> 00:36:14,433
And Bill O'Reilly was doing
Inside Edition.
676
00:36:14,476 --> 00:36:17,131
He would fill in for Roger
every once in a while
677
00:36:17,392 --> 00:36:19,525
and that's really how
they got to know each other.
678
00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:22,180
But I think deep down inside
679
00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:25,835
Roger wanted to be
in front of the camera.
680
00:36:25,879 --> 00:36:28,664
In fact, at America's Talking,
he gave himself a show.
681
00:36:29,056 --> 00:36:31,276
announcer: Straight Forward,
with Roger Ailes.
682
00:36:31,319 --> 00:36:33,452
My staff told you
I didn't want the drag queens.
683
00:36:33,495 --> 00:36:35,454
- Did they tell you that?
- It's cross-dressing.
684
00:36:35,497 --> 00:36:37,978
It's been going on
since the Mona Leo.
685
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,285
I know, I'm-I'm,
for instance, a female.
686
00:36:40,328 --> 00:36:42,200
You would never guess that.
687
00:36:42,243 --> 00:36:44,811
- I've lived this long.
- That would be okay. [laughs]
688
00:36:45,028 --> 00:36:46,682
We'll be right back
with the first brother
689
00:36:46,726 --> 00:36:48,206
Roger Clinton. Stay with us.
690
00:36:48,945 --> 00:36:50,947
♪ What's the matter with you? ♪
691
00:36:50,991 --> 00:36:53,341
♪ Girls just wanna have fun
692
00:36:53,385 --> 00:36:55,387
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
693
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:57,563
Glenn Meehan: I think
Roger loved show business.
694
00:36:57,911 --> 00:36:59,608
He just loved the spotlight.
695
00:37:00,392 --> 00:37:02,045
You know,
he used to take tap dancing
696
00:37:02,089 --> 00:37:04,526
back in those days
for exercise.
697
00:37:04,570 --> 00:37:06,702
I think that's who
Roger really wanted to be.
698
00:37:07,268 --> 00:37:09,749
[tapping]
699
00:37:11,533 --> 00:37:13,187
Roger Ailes:
Right now, everybody thinks
700
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:15,711
I'm the greatest guy
in the world.
701
00:37:15,755 --> 00:37:17,539
I'm sure
you've heard that a lot.
702
00:37:19,454 --> 00:37:22,022
My doctor told me
I'm old, fat and ugly.
703
00:37:22,457 --> 00:37:25,373
But none of those things
is gonna kill me immediately.
704
00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:30,204
Everybody fears the unknown,
705
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:32,380
but I have a strong feeling
706
00:37:32,424 --> 00:37:34,252
there's something bigger
than us.
707
00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:39,779
E. Jean Carroll: Beth Tilson
was a CNBC executive
708
00:37:39,953 --> 00:37:43,870
who was promoted
to help runAmerica's Talking.
709
00:37:45,001 --> 00:37:47,526
Glenn Meehan: Before then,
it was always Roger and Judy,
710
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:48,962
Roger's assistant.
711
00:37:49,441 --> 00:37:52,661
You almost said their two names
in the same breath always.
712
00:37:52,879 --> 00:37:54,141
Then it was Beth and Roger.
713
00:37:55,185 --> 00:37:56,665
E. Jean Carroll:
Beth was a cross
714
00:37:56,883 --> 00:37:59,755
between Marilyn Monroe
and a schoolmarm,
715
00:37:59,799 --> 00:38:02,976
and had eyes
for only one person
716
00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:04,630
and that was Roger.
717
00:38:10,505 --> 00:38:11,898
Oh, the wedding!
718
00:38:11,941 --> 00:38:15,380
Beth had a white suit with fur,
very elegant.
719
00:38:15,423 --> 00:38:16,685
Roger was in black.
720
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:20,298
Giuliani was the officiant.
721
00:38:20,646 --> 00:38:22,822
And it was just me
and Barbara Walters.
722
00:38:23,388 --> 00:38:24,954
And Geraldo was there.
723
00:38:25,651 --> 00:38:28,175
And Roger, he was so happy.
724
00:38:34,181 --> 00:38:37,489
Terry Anzur:
We reached the magic number
of 20 million subscribers.
725
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:39,969
And all of a sudden,
726
00:38:40,013 --> 00:38:42,320
it wasn't Roger's little
playground anymore.
727
00:38:43,146 --> 00:38:46,628
NBC went,
"Wow, this is a real channel
728
00:38:46,672 --> 00:38:49,544
and we should be getting
more value out of it."
729
00:38:52,939 --> 00:38:54,984
Glenn Meehan:
Now, the story goes
730
00:38:55,028 --> 00:38:57,857
that Bill Gates
wanted a news network.
731
00:38:58,727 --> 00:39:02,209
So he approached NBC
with his checkbook
732
00:39:02,601 --> 00:39:05,995
and NBC said, "We've got
this network over in Fort Lee
733
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,868
calledAmerica's Talking.
It's yours."
734
00:39:11,392 --> 00:39:14,003
female anchor #4:
A new partnership
between NBC and Microsoft
735
00:39:14,047 --> 00:39:15,614
is heating up the media wars.
736
00:39:15,657 --> 00:39:17,442
The two companies
have announced a new
737
00:39:17,485 --> 00:39:20,445
24-hour, worldwide
cable TV news channel.
738
00:39:20,488 --> 00:39:22,708
It is called MSNBC.
739
00:39:22,751 --> 00:39:24,492
And NBC president Bob Wright
740
00:39:24,536 --> 00:39:26,712
says he hopes to have it
up and running by summer.
741
00:39:31,717 --> 00:39:34,937
Felycia Sugarman:
I got a phone call
from a friend of mine saying,
742
00:39:34,981 --> 00:39:37,505
"Your friend Roger
threw a chair across the room
743
00:39:37,549 --> 00:39:39,725
called the car and stormed out
of the building."
744
00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:45,208
So I called Roger in his car
and I said,
745
00:39:45,252 --> 00:39:48,386
"Hey, I heard something
went down. Are you okay?"
746
00:39:48,647 --> 00:39:52,041
And he said,
"Felycia, I'm gonna fuck them.
747
00:39:52,085 --> 00:39:54,914
I'm gonna fuck them like they
have never been fucked before."
748
00:39:58,004 --> 00:40:00,049
And I knew something
would be born
749
00:40:00,093 --> 00:40:02,269
out of this need for revenge.
750
00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:05,794
[camera shutters clicking]
751
00:40:07,622 --> 00:40:09,145
Rupert Murdoch: Thank you
for your attendance
752
00:40:09,189 --> 00:40:10,625
at such a short notice.
753
00:40:10,886 --> 00:40:12,888
I'd just like to say
how delighted I am
754
00:40:12,932 --> 00:40:14,368
that we've now reached
this moment
755
00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,239
when we can firmly announce
756
00:40:16,283 --> 00:40:19,199
uh, the starting
of a Fox News Channel.
757
00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:21,070
Uh, we've been very lucky
in being able
758
00:40:21,114 --> 00:40:24,247
to obtain the services
of Mr. Roger Ailes
759
00:40:24,291 --> 00:40:26,772
who has had
such a fantastic success.
760
00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:28,513
Uh, Mr. Ailes is here
761
00:40:28,556 --> 00:40:30,558
and, uh, he might like to add
a few words,
762
00:40:30,776 --> 00:40:32,604
but we'll be waiting
to take your questions.
763
00:40:32,647 --> 00:40:35,215
Uh, it really is exciting
to join what I think
764
00:40:35,258 --> 00:40:38,827
is, uh, the most dynamic,
uh, television company
765
00:40:39,132 --> 00:40:40,742
in the world today.
766
00:40:40,786 --> 00:40:43,789
Uh, and I've always admired
Mr. Murdoch's ability
767
00:40:43,832 --> 00:40:45,399
to get things done.
768
00:40:45,704 --> 00:40:47,270
It's a tough,
competitive world,
769
00:40:47,314 --> 00:40:49,621
but, uh, we intend to be, uh,
770
00:40:49,664 --> 00:40:51,449
when the music stops,
to have a chair.
771
00:40:55,844 --> 00:41:00,414
female reporter #3:
The all-news game has become
a serious and a nasty business
772
00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:02,416
as media mogul Rupert Murdoch
773
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:04,766
enters the 24-hour
news competition
774
00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:06,768
with his Fox News Channel.
775
00:41:06,812 --> 00:41:08,640
male #7:
CNN's Ted Turner insisted
776
00:41:08,683 --> 00:41:12,252
he'd squish the Australian
tycoon like a bug.
777
00:41:13,949 --> 00:41:16,212
Rupert had wanted
to launch something
778
00:41:16,256 --> 00:41:17,823
like Fox News for years.
779
00:41:19,607 --> 00:41:21,783
He loved taking on taboos
780
00:41:21,827 --> 00:41:23,959
in his tabloids in London
781
00:41:25,221 --> 00:41:28,137
and had always wanted
to puncture the establishment.
782
00:41:29,835 --> 00:41:32,707
They wanted us to beat the crap
out of the other cable channels
783
00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:34,013
at their own game.
784
00:41:34,883 --> 00:41:38,147
And about ten weeks before Fox
actually went on the air,
785
00:41:38,191 --> 00:41:40,672
Roger had all of us
in the company come to New York.
786
00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:43,631
And he gave
this rip-roaring speech
787
00:41:43,675 --> 00:41:46,504
about how the networks
had been around for so long
788
00:41:46,547 --> 00:41:48,201
that they were antiquated.
789
00:41:48,462 --> 00:41:50,333
And that we were gonna be
a pirate ship
790
00:41:50,377 --> 00:41:52,510
that while everybody else
were these sort of battleships
791
00:41:52,553 --> 00:41:54,860
and aircraft carriers that would
take a long time to turn around,
792
00:41:55,208 --> 00:41:57,645
we were gonna be nimble,
we were gonna strike hard
793
00:41:57,689 --> 00:41:59,386
and we were gonna have
a whale of a time doing it.
794
00:42:00,909 --> 00:42:03,346
male #8 on TV: Good morning,
welcome to Fox News Channel.
795
00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:06,045
[Fox News theme music plays]
796
00:42:10,397 --> 00:42:11,529
[indistinct chatter on TV]
797
00:42:11,572 --> 00:42:13,531
So far, so good. We're on.
798
00:42:14,357 --> 00:42:17,186
David Shuster:
Fox News was an absolute hoot
at the beginning.
799
00:42:17,578 --> 00:42:18,840
Hi, I'm Bill O'Reilly.
800
00:42:18,884 --> 00:42:21,321
Thank you for watching
on our very first day.
801
00:42:21,364 --> 00:42:22,888
There were people
who had worked with Roger
802
00:42:22,931 --> 00:42:25,020
atAmerica's Talking and CNBC,
803
00:42:25,325 --> 00:42:27,719
and some people who worked
with him in a political sphere.
804
00:42:27,762 --> 00:42:30,025
Welcome to Washington,
I'm Brit Hume...
805
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:31,723
And to all of us who started,
it was like
806
00:42:31,766 --> 00:42:33,246
"Yes! This is great!"
807
00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:35,727
Well, we're going to try
to be different
808
00:42:35,770 --> 00:42:37,250
stimulating and a bit daring.
809
00:42:39,731 --> 00:42:42,777
Loyalty was a theme
that came up every day
810
00:42:43,038 --> 00:42:47,042
because all the people
around Roger would tell us
811
00:42:47,086 --> 00:42:49,305
"You know,
Roger really likes loyalty.
812
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:50,742
Loyalty is really important
to Roger."
813
00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:55,529
And people who would do
something nice for Roger
814
00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:57,357
would often pop up on the air.
815
00:42:57,662 --> 00:42:58,837
We did all sorts of segments
816
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,578
that didn't make
any sense to me.
817
00:43:00,795 --> 00:43:04,103
They would say F-O-R,
Friend of Roger.
818
00:43:06,671 --> 00:43:09,412
Joe Muto:
It was imparted to me
right from the very beginning
819
00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:10,762
that it wasn't about journalism
820
00:43:10,936 --> 00:43:13,634
it was about drawing
the biggest audience possible.
821
00:43:14,243 --> 00:43:15,767
Uh, what do you got?
822
00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:17,943
A library board
in Helena, Montana
823
00:43:17,986 --> 00:43:20,423
voted unanimously
to keep the book
824
00:43:20,467 --> 00:43:22,730
The Joy Of Gay Sex
on the library shelves.
825
00:43:22,948 --> 00:43:26,604
Alright, that's good. Book that
for the D-block on, uh, Tuesday.
826
00:43:27,126 --> 00:43:29,345
We used to call it
riling up the crazies.
827
00:43:29,389 --> 00:43:30,477
That's what we were there to do.
828
00:43:30,825 --> 00:43:33,611
We were there
to stir up outrage
829
00:43:33,959 --> 00:43:35,961
because that's what
kept them watching.
830
00:43:36,135 --> 00:43:38,441
[intense music]
831
00:43:40,966 --> 00:43:42,924
female reporter #4: Whitewater
Independent Counsel Ken Starr
832
00:43:42,968 --> 00:43:45,013
is reported to have
a number of audio tapes
833
00:43:45,405 --> 00:43:48,103
on which a former White House
intern, Monica Lewinsky
834
00:43:48,147 --> 00:43:50,105
told fellow staff
that she was sexually involved
835
00:43:50,149 --> 00:43:51,846
with the president.
836
00:43:52,455 --> 00:43:54,544
They must have fallen
on their knees at Fox
837
00:43:54,588 --> 00:43:56,111
when the Lewinsky thing hit
838
00:43:56,155 --> 00:43:58,636
and never stopped thanking God
839
00:43:58,853 --> 00:44:00,246
for that blue dress
840
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,772
because Roger and Beth,
they despised the Clintons
841
00:44:04,816 --> 00:44:06,774
and everything they stood for.
842
00:44:09,168 --> 00:44:13,694
Roger Ailes: Bill Clinton
is very slick, very glib.
843
00:44:14,042 --> 00:44:16,654
He has 15,000 press secretaries,
844
00:44:16,871 --> 00:44:20,309
and it's clear she's not gonna
get the Betty Crocker Award.
845
00:44:21,093 --> 00:44:23,051
I wouldn't stand
too close to her.
846
00:44:24,183 --> 00:44:26,098
Could President Clinton
have had an affair
847
00:44:26,141 --> 00:44:27,708
with an intern
and then try to cover it up?
848
00:44:28,187 --> 00:44:31,059
Fox News correspondent
David Shuster has the story.
849
00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,671
David Shuster:
Yesterday the White House
released a response
850
00:44:33,714 --> 00:44:36,195
to Kenneth Starr's
detailed report to Congress.
851
00:44:36,543 --> 00:44:38,937
David Shuster:
The Clinton scandal
was the rocket fuel
852
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:42,027
that got Fox News
into the stratosphere.
853
00:44:42,767 --> 00:44:45,247
We were kicking
the networks' ass
854
00:44:45,291 --> 00:44:48,033
on this story
day in and day out.
855
00:44:48,207 --> 00:44:51,253
male reporter #2:
Fox News has learned it was
Linda Tripp who befriended...
856
00:44:51,297 --> 00:44:54,300
And within two or three months,
it was
857
00:44:54,343 --> 00:44:56,824
"Wow! Fox News
has something going."
858
00:44:56,868 --> 00:45:00,045
Attorney General has now started
a 90-day preliminary...
859
00:45:00,088 --> 00:45:02,525
...President of the United
States to testify under oath
860
00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:04,353
that he did, in fact, have
sex...
861
00:45:04,397 --> 00:45:06,181
male reporter #3:
Mr. Clinton is also accused
862
00:45:06,225 --> 00:45:08,096
of obstruction of justice.
863
00:45:08,314 --> 00:45:11,317
David Shuster: I remember it was
a huge celebration at Fox News
864
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,623
in New York,
and I was asked to come up
865
00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:15,408
and meet with Roger Ailes
in his office.
866
00:45:16,801 --> 00:45:20,195
This was after we got the
information about the cigars
867
00:45:20,805 --> 00:45:22,850
and he says,
"What is this sex stuff?
868
00:45:22,894 --> 00:45:24,373
What was really going on?"
869
00:45:24,896 --> 00:45:28,377
And so I said, "Well, there
are some rumors about cigars
870
00:45:28,421 --> 00:45:30,989
or something that was involved
in their sexual play."
871
00:45:31,032 --> 00:45:32,686
And Roger loved it!
872
00:45:34,209 --> 00:45:36,603
He was scintillated by it.
873
00:45:37,996 --> 00:45:40,520
But the idea that Bill Clinton
would be sloppy,
874
00:45:40,955 --> 00:45:43,088
allow an intern
to blab to her friend,
875
00:45:43,958 --> 00:45:46,091
that's where that contempt came
876
00:45:46,787 --> 00:45:50,748
because Roger Ailes did not
respect people who got caught.
877
00:45:58,799 --> 00:46:01,584
[chuckles] "There's someone
in the room today
878
00:46:01,802 --> 00:46:04,805
whose wings
are much bigger than mine.
879
00:46:05,110 --> 00:46:10,115
His wings have a wide span
of generosity
880
00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:14,641
that every day
lifts up so many people.
881
00:46:15,294 --> 00:46:17,687
The one and only Roger Ailes."
882
00:46:17,731 --> 00:46:19,298
[applause]
883
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,089
I was beyond flattered
884
00:46:28,829 --> 00:46:32,267
that Roger Ailes
was talking to me like this.
885
00:46:32,311 --> 00:46:34,095
They feel a sense of relief...
886
00:46:34,139 --> 00:46:36,968
Since 11 years old,
I wanted to be a news reporter.
887
00:46:38,143 --> 00:46:40,319
I was working
at this little local TV station
888
00:46:41,059 --> 00:46:42,974
and I got a meeting
with Roger Ailes.
889
00:46:43,409 --> 00:46:47,761
So I went in there and sat at
the seat across from his desk.
890
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,197
He said,
"No, no, come over here."
891
00:46:49,415 --> 00:46:51,591
And then he sat down on a couch
892
00:46:51,634 --> 00:46:54,463
and he patted right next to him,
and he said,
893
00:46:54,507 --> 00:46:55,638
"Come sit right next to me."
894
00:46:57,336 --> 00:46:59,729
He said to me,
"You know, here at Fox News
895
00:46:59,773 --> 00:47:02,471
in order to be beautiful,
it's not just waist up
896
00:47:02,689 --> 00:47:04,952
it is the entire package.
897
00:47:04,996 --> 00:47:08,521
People wanna see a woman
from, you know, head to toe."
898
00:47:09,043 --> 00:47:12,003
And he looked me up and down
admiringly and said,
899
00:47:12,307 --> 00:47:15,484
"You definitely are
beautiful enough to be here."
900
00:47:16,050 --> 00:47:17,878
And I said, "Thank you."
And then he said,
901
00:47:17,922 --> 00:47:19,793
"But I'm not a 100% sure."
902
00:47:19,837 --> 00:47:22,927
He said,
"Stand up and twirl for me.
903
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:24,798
I-I wanna see everything."
904
00:47:26,539 --> 00:47:28,541
And I-I just looked at him
and laughed.
905
00:47:30,717 --> 00:47:33,763
And then a week later,
a friend of mine had dinner
906
00:47:33,807 --> 00:47:36,897
with Roger Ailes at this
Italian restaurant, midtown,
907
00:47:36,941 --> 00:47:39,204
and he said to me,
"Lidia, he's...
908
00:47:39,465 --> 00:47:42,424
"I talked to him about you.
He... I said...
909
00:47:42,468 --> 00:47:45,688
He-He wasn't, he's not serious
about bringing you on."
910
00:47:45,732 --> 00:47:47,168
I said,
"Well, what do you mean?"
911
00:47:47,212 --> 00:47:49,867
He said, "He, he asked
about you sexually.
912
00:47:50,128 --> 00:47:51,825
He asked
what kind of girl you were."
913
00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:53,000
And I said
you were a good girl.
914
00:47:56,221 --> 00:47:59,615
But I think that it was,
in a way, a test.
915
00:47:59,659 --> 00:48:02,357
I think I failed
because I didn't hear back.
916
00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,538
An axis of evil standoff
as Fox reports tonight.
917
00:48:09,756 --> 00:48:11,671
Hello, everyone,
I'm Alisyn Camerota.
918
00:48:11,714 --> 00:48:14,979
If you wanted something...
I wanted more opportunity,
919
00:48:15,022 --> 00:48:16,415
I wanted to try to anchor.
920
00:48:16,589 --> 00:48:19,766
I think that he saw that
921
00:48:20,245 --> 00:48:21,942
as "What do I get out of that?"
922
00:48:22,377 --> 00:48:26,381
And so when I went to him
to ask him for more opportunity
923
00:48:26,425 --> 00:48:27,730
he said,
924
00:48:28,427 --> 00:48:33,084
"Well, I would have to work
with you more closely,
925
00:48:33,562 --> 00:48:34,912
if that were to happen.
926
00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:37,697
I would have to train you
927
00:48:38,176 --> 00:48:40,743
give you sort of tutorials
928
00:48:40,787 --> 00:48:45,052
and, you know,
people might be jealous.
929
00:48:45,096 --> 00:48:46,749
And so we would have to...
930
00:48:46,793 --> 00:48:48,882
It would be best
if we did it away from here.
931
00:48:49,317 --> 00:48:52,407
Um, perhaps
at a hotel sometime.
932
00:48:54,018 --> 00:48:55,323
Do you know what I'm saying?"
933
00:48:57,151 --> 00:48:59,414
And I said, "Yeah, I think
I do know what you're saying."
934
00:48:59,458 --> 00:49:02,678
I mean, I knew I was never going
to go meet Roger at a hotel.
935
00:49:02,722 --> 00:49:05,768
That was unthinkable to me,
that was never going to happen.
936
00:49:05,812 --> 00:49:07,335
But I didn't know
what was gonna happen next,
937
00:49:07,553 --> 00:49:09,555
if I was gonna be
fired if I didn't do it.
938
00:49:09,598 --> 00:49:12,993
I didn't know how he was gonna
make that happen.
939
00:49:14,647 --> 00:49:16,562
I mean, Roger was the king.
940
00:49:16,823 --> 00:49:20,000
His assistant
was the head of HR.
941
00:49:20,479 --> 00:49:22,655
And so it didn't occur to me
that there was somebody
942
00:49:22,916 --> 00:49:25,832
higher than Roger who could have
done something. There wasn't.
943
00:49:26,702 --> 00:49:28,617
Alexis:
And weren't people at Fox News'
944
00:49:28,661 --> 00:49:31,185
putting out
salacious online material?
945
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:32,970
There were many websites.
946
00:49:33,492 --> 00:49:36,625
Um, I think one was called
The Hot Women Of Fox.
947
00:49:36,974 --> 00:49:39,498
There were different websites
about different body parts.
948
00:49:40,194 --> 00:49:42,501
There were websites
dedicated to feet.
949
00:49:43,371 --> 00:49:45,243
Sarah Ellison:
They wanted people to think
of the network in that way.
950
00:49:45,286 --> 00:49:47,027
They were using the women
who worked there
951
00:49:47,332 --> 00:49:49,116
for a very specific purpose.
952
00:49:49,508 --> 00:49:52,990
Um, and it was to be sexualized
for their viewers,
953
00:49:53,033 --> 00:49:55,166
and, we learned later,
for the people in the building.
954
00:49:57,385 --> 00:50:00,998
Alisyn Camerota: And so that
was the culture of the time
955
00:50:01,041 --> 00:50:03,391
and there was nobody who was
willing to challenge it.
956
00:50:08,353 --> 00:50:11,138
If Fox News is the house
that Roger built
957
00:50:11,182 --> 00:50:13,184
with some help
from Rupert Murdoch,
958
00:50:13,227 --> 00:50:15,490
look at this group here
on this stage with you.
959
00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:17,884
Uh, w-why? Why'd you pick 'em?
960
00:50:18,232 --> 00:50:20,843
Somebody, uh, once asked me
how I hire talent.
961
00:50:21,409 --> 00:50:24,195
And there were...
I've made a list and it was...
962
00:50:24,238 --> 00:50:27,676
There were 27 things
on the list, a secret list,
963
00:50:27,894 --> 00:50:30,027
uh, which one day will come out
964
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:32,029
in a book I'm writing
about all you people.
965
00:50:32,246 --> 00:50:34,553
[laughing]
966
00:50:35,206 --> 00:50:37,860
This is the deal.
Um, all of us are veterans
967
00:50:37,904 --> 00:50:40,037
uh, that we've worked
for other companies,
968
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,909
and most of those companies
are horror shows.
969
00:50:43,431 --> 00:50:44,867
This company
is a little bit different
970
00:50:44,911 --> 00:50:48,393
because they let you...
They don't micromanage.
971
00:50:48,828 --> 00:50:51,396
And-And Roger Ailes hires people
972
00:50:51,439 --> 00:50:54,921
with whom he has confidence,
and then he lets them go.
973
00:50:55,878 --> 00:50:57,489
Chris: Alright, we have
to take a break here,
974
00:50:57,532 --> 00:50:59,839
and we're gonna be back
and talk about the milestones
975
00:50:59,882 --> 00:51:02,363
that changed Fox News
and changed our country.
976
00:51:11,546 --> 00:51:14,114
Joe Muto:
It was October, 2004.
977
00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:18,075
I came into work one evening,
I was working the evening shift
978
00:51:18,553 --> 00:51:20,077
and I look around the newsroom
979
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,904
and every computer
in the newsroom
980
00:51:21,948 --> 00:51:25,778
was on this website
thesmokinggun.com.
981
00:51:26,431 --> 00:51:28,389
And my buddy is, he's like,
"Dude, you gotta,
982
00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:29,390
you gotta read this shit."
983
00:51:30,826 --> 00:51:33,394
male reporter #4:
It is an absolute bombshell
of an allegation.
984
00:51:33,438 --> 00:51:35,440
female reporter #5:
The sexual harassment case
against popular
985
00:51:35,483 --> 00:51:37,572
cable TV host, Bill O'Reilly.
986
00:51:37,616 --> 00:51:40,445
male reporter #5:
One of his associate producers,
Andrea Mackris
987
00:51:40,749 --> 00:51:42,925
alleges that
in one phone conversation
988
00:51:42,969 --> 00:51:46,103
O'Reilly fantasized, "You would
basically be in the shower.
989
00:51:46,146 --> 00:51:47,713
I would take
that little loofa thing
990
00:51:47,756 --> 00:51:49,715
and kinda soap up your back."
991
00:51:50,672 --> 00:51:52,935
I like the part
about you wanting to rub falafel
992
00:51:52,979 --> 00:51:54,415
on that lady's boobs,
993
00:51:54,633 --> 00:51:56,983
and, uh, the part about
how you love vibrators,
994
00:51:57,157 --> 00:51:58,941
and the part about
how you believed it
995
00:51:58,985 --> 00:52:02,293
when a prostitute told you
you had a big penis. [laughs]
996
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:04,208
You said yesterday
this is one of the most
997
00:52:04,251 --> 00:52:05,687
evil things
you've ever experienced.
998
00:52:05,731 --> 00:52:07,907
Why so evil? Why do you think
she's doing this?
999
00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:11,606
I have no clue, but my career
could be ruined
1000
00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:13,956
and I'm very well aware of that.
1001
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,480
But I can't let people do this.
1002
00:52:18,004 --> 00:52:20,659
Sarah Ellison:
What was interesting about
that case with Andrea Mackris
1003
00:52:20,833 --> 00:52:23,140
is she was somebody
who had evidence.
1004
00:52:23,966 --> 00:52:27,274
Multiple recordings of what was
obviously sexual harassment
1005
00:52:27,753 --> 00:52:30,669
and also threats
and intimidation.
1006
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:33,411
"If any woman
ever breathed a word
1007
00:52:33,454 --> 00:52:34,934
I'll make her pay so dearly
1008
00:52:34,977 --> 00:52:36,370
that she'll wish
she'd never been born.
1009
00:52:37,371 --> 00:52:39,852
I'll rake her through the mud,
bring up things in her life
1010
00:52:40,157 --> 00:52:42,507
and make her so miserable
that she'll be destroyed.
1011
00:52:43,203 --> 00:52:45,945
If you cross Fox News Channel,
it's not just me,
1012
00:52:45,988 --> 00:52:48,121
it's Roger Ailes
who will go after you.
1013
00:52:48,426 --> 00:52:50,645
Ailes operates
behind the scenes,
1014
00:52:50,689 --> 00:52:52,952
strategizes
and makes things happen
1015
00:52:52,995 --> 00:52:54,823
so that one day, bam!
1016
00:52:54,867 --> 00:52:56,521
The person gets
what's coming to them,
1017
00:52:56,564 --> 00:52:58,044
but never sees it coming."
1018
00:53:00,873 --> 00:53:03,223
Joe Muto:
It was apparent to everyone
that he was guilty.
1019
00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:05,834
But Bill O'Reilly
had the highest ratings.
1020
00:53:05,878 --> 00:53:07,662
He brought in the most money.
1021
00:53:07,706 --> 00:53:09,664
You know, he was kind of
the face of the network.
1022
00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:11,884
So Roger protected Bill.
1023
00:53:12,145 --> 00:53:16,802
You know, just like Roger
was Rupert Murdoch's cash cow,
1024
00:53:16,845 --> 00:53:19,239
Bill O'Reilly
was Roger Ailes' cash cow.
1025
00:53:21,241 --> 00:53:23,896
So he helped
smooth everything over.
1026
00:53:25,506 --> 00:53:27,682
You want the truth,
you hire Bo Dietl.
1027
00:53:27,726 --> 00:53:30,859
You want something else,
go hire Slime-O PI.
1028
00:53:30,903 --> 00:53:34,211
Find the truth. That's all I do
is find the truth.
1029
00:53:34,863 --> 00:53:38,345
John Cook:
Bo Dietl is a former NYPD cop
1030
00:53:38,389 --> 00:53:41,609
who became a regular
on Fox News.
1031
00:53:42,871 --> 00:53:45,309
He was the go-to guy
to defend stop-and-frisk
1032
00:53:45,352 --> 00:53:48,703
or argue that Trayvon Martin
deserved to die or whatever.
1033
00:53:48,747 --> 00:53:51,358
Where was he,
where was he when two officers
1034
00:53:51,402 --> 00:53:53,055
got killed in New York?
1035
00:53:53,099 --> 00:53:55,188
And he also had
this private eye business
1036
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:58,060
where he worked for Roger
1037
00:53:58,104 --> 00:54:01,934
doing security and
investigations for Fox News.
1038
00:54:04,763 --> 00:54:08,419
Well, I'll say it right now,
I respected Roger Ailes
1039
00:54:08,462 --> 00:54:11,291
because the man did so much
for America
1040
00:54:11,335 --> 00:54:12,771
and for the people of Fox.
1041
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:15,904
[indistinct chatter]
1042
00:54:15,948 --> 00:54:19,256
Bo Dietl: On the Mackris case,
we were assigned to follow her
1043
00:54:19,517 --> 00:54:22,346
and to gain any kind
of information we could
1044
00:54:22,389 --> 00:54:24,565
where it was detrimental
to the case.
1045
00:54:25,044 --> 00:54:28,352
Sarah Ellison:
They took the information
that Bo Dietl was digging up
1046
00:54:28,395 --> 00:54:30,310
and leaked it
to The New York Post,
1047
00:54:30,354 --> 00:54:33,139
which was owned
also by Rupert Murdoch.
1048
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,796
Joe Muto:
They said Andrea Mackris
is a slut. She's a drunk.
1049
00:54:38,057 --> 00:54:40,799
She's trying to entrap
Bill O'Reilly.
1050
00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:42,583
Bo Dietl: This is gonna be
a message to people.
1051
00:54:42,627 --> 00:54:44,716
When you file
these frivolous lawsuits
1052
00:54:44,759 --> 00:54:46,587
and you think you're gonna get
people who are well-known
1053
00:54:46,631 --> 00:54:48,763
to give you money
for garbage like this
1054
00:54:48,807 --> 00:54:51,462
we're gonna investigate you.
We're gonna u-uncover things
1055
00:54:51,505 --> 00:54:53,594
that we've already
about your life
1056
00:54:53,638 --> 00:54:56,293
so you're wide open right now.
So beware, people.
1057
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:59,948
That was the tactic, like,
smear her, put pressure on her.
1058
00:55:00,688 --> 00:55:02,821
And as it turns out, it worked.
1059
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:05,127
They settled it.
She can't talk.
1060
00:55:05,345 --> 00:55:08,087
And he skated.
His ratings went up from there.
1061
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:09,784
His salary went up from there.
1062
00:55:11,133 --> 00:55:13,484
Fox News was making
so much money, no one cared.
1063
00:55:14,833 --> 00:55:16,225
♪ Fox and Friends
1064
00:55:16,269 --> 00:55:18,227
Good morning, everyone,
today is Thursday
1065
00:55:18,271 --> 00:55:20,055
September 20th,
I'm Gretchen Carlson.
1066
00:55:20,099 --> 00:55:22,319
Thanks so much for sharing
part of your day with us today.
1067
00:55:23,407 --> 00:55:25,147
Uh, so, Rupert,
what made you think
1068
00:55:25,191 --> 00:55:26,801
that this whole thing
would work?
1069
00:55:27,585 --> 00:55:29,282
I just had a hunch that,
you know
1070
00:55:29,326 --> 00:55:31,458
there was, uh, room
for another point of view
1071
00:55:31,502 --> 00:55:33,373
and, and another service.
1072
00:55:34,374 --> 00:55:37,595
Rupert Murdoch is a genius
in terms of media,
1073
00:55:37,638 --> 00:55:41,338
but, more importantly, what
he does is, he bets on people...
1074
00:55:41,903 --> 00:55:43,818
I don't think we ever had
a written business plan.
1075
00:55:43,862 --> 00:55:46,038
I think we talked through
what we were gonna do
1076
00:55:46,517 --> 00:55:49,650
and he backed it,
but really let me run it.
1077
00:55:49,694 --> 00:55:52,305
Now, if I'd screwed it up,
I'd be dead.
1078
00:55:52,349 --> 00:55:55,352
[laughing]
1079
00:55:58,006 --> 00:56:00,531
[indistinct chatter]
1080
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:12,238
E. Jean Carroll: Roger and Beth
were extremely impressed
1081
00:56:12,456 --> 00:56:13,718
with Rupert Murdoch.
1082
00:56:14,936 --> 00:56:17,112
I remember one time
Beth called me after spending...
1083
00:56:17,156 --> 00:56:19,158
had dinner at Rupert's house
with Wendi.
1084
00:56:19,201 --> 00:56:22,770
She couldn't believe the table
and the table setting.
1085
00:56:24,729 --> 00:56:27,688
They were pulled into a class
1086
00:56:27,732 --> 00:56:31,736
and circle of people
who were way above them.
1087
00:56:32,606 --> 00:56:34,695
So they had
a lot of catching up to do...
1088
00:56:35,174 --> 00:56:36,393
[alarm blaring]
1089
00:56:36,697 --> 00:56:38,395
...because Rupert
was really doing
1090
00:56:38,438 --> 00:56:40,440
what Roger
had pictured himself doing:
1091
00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:43,051
Conquering a new world.
1092
00:56:46,011 --> 00:56:49,014
So Rupert bought
The Wall Street Journal.
1093
00:56:49,754 --> 00:56:52,060
What's the name
of Roger's little newspaper?
1094
00:56:52,626 --> 00:56:54,802
Alexis: The Putnam County
News And Recorder.
1095
00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:57,501
Yeah, The Putnam County
News And Recorder.
1096
00:56:57,544 --> 00:57:00,242
There you go.
That says everything.
1097
00:57:09,426 --> 00:57:12,559
I was actually told about
the sale the night before.
1098
00:57:12,603 --> 00:57:16,607
And I... [scoffs] I think
the first thing I said was
1099
00:57:16,650 --> 00:57:18,260
"Has he seen this?"
1100
00:57:18,478 --> 00:57:20,437
Because it was a one-room
1101
00:57:20,741 --> 00:57:24,310
antiquated equipment,
little dinky thing.
1102
00:57:25,354 --> 00:57:27,182
At that time,
it was a very typical
1103
00:57:27,226 --> 00:57:29,358
sleepy, small-town
weekly newspaper
1104
00:57:29,402 --> 00:57:32,274
that reported on the school
board and the town board.
1105
00:57:32,797 --> 00:57:35,582
And Cold Spring itself
is 1900 people.
1106
00:57:36,496 --> 00:57:38,759
Alison Rooney:
There is definitely
an air of Americana about it.
1107
00:57:38,803 --> 00:57:41,719
It has that main street that's
leading down to the river
1108
00:57:41,762 --> 00:57:43,460
right across from West Point.
1109
00:57:43,851 --> 00:57:45,723
And the whole Cold Spring area
1110
00:57:45,766 --> 00:57:48,334
is steeped
in Revolutionary War history.
1111
00:57:49,727 --> 00:57:52,730
Michael Turton:
The community was shocked
that this media mogul
1112
00:57:52,773 --> 00:57:54,775
this, uh, political kingpin
1113
00:57:54,819 --> 00:57:57,125
would have any interest
in coming to Cold Spring
1114
00:57:57,169 --> 00:57:59,345
and buying
this little weekly newspaper.
1115
00:58:00,564 --> 00:58:02,522
And we thought, you know,
"Is he going to do
1116
00:58:02,566 --> 00:58:05,482
with this local paper
what he does at Fox News?"
1117
00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:12,271
Alison Rooney:
I think Roger and Beth
wanted to become
1118
00:58:12,314 --> 00:58:14,012
lord and lady of the manor
1119
00:58:14,708 --> 00:58:16,493
almost worshipped in the town.
1120
00:58:17,363 --> 00:58:20,018
[indistinct chatter]
1121
00:58:24,326 --> 00:58:26,546
Those institutional landholders
are the ones who we are trying
1122
00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:29,114
to support, keep that property
in those hands
1123
00:58:29,157 --> 00:58:30,681
and out of the hands
of developers.
1124
00:58:40,908 --> 00:58:42,954
Richard Shea:
The first time I met him
was in the, uh,
1125
00:58:42,997 --> 00:58:44,912
Haldane School cafeteria
after a meeting.
1126
00:58:45,478 --> 00:58:47,959
And the first impression
I had was
1127
00:58:48,002 --> 00:58:50,875
this guy is, you know, a bully.
1128
00:58:51,136 --> 00:58:53,225
[applauding]
1129
00:59:01,407 --> 00:59:03,148
He was convinced
we were gonna tell him
1130
00:59:03,191 --> 00:59:06,020
he couldn't cut trees down,
he couldn't keep his view.
1131
00:59:06,412 --> 00:59:08,066
So he got people riled up...
1132
00:59:10,068 --> 00:59:12,418
because he was
sort of a master at that.
1133
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,080
[audience applauds]
1134
00:59:24,604 --> 00:59:25,910
It was surreal.
1135
00:59:26,954 --> 00:59:28,782
Ailes showed up
with his attorney.
1136
00:59:29,348 --> 00:59:31,350
And he was locked and loaded
and, you know,
1137
00:59:31,393 --> 00:59:33,744
ready to go out there
and do battle.
1138
00:59:34,396 --> 00:59:36,224
female #2: What are you doing
to the chair, sir?
1139
00:59:36,268 --> 00:59:37,704
And after we had the debate,
1140
00:59:37,922 --> 00:59:40,402
Ailes walks up to me, let me
know he owned the newspaper
1141
00:59:40,446 --> 00:59:42,666
let me know he owns the courier
across the county
1142
00:59:42,709 --> 00:59:45,059
and essentially said,
"Look, if I'm not happy
1143
00:59:45,103 --> 00:59:46,452
you're not gonna be happy."
1144
00:59:47,801 --> 00:59:50,543
It wasn't a big threat.
It was like, "Yeah, okay, fine.
1145
00:59:50,587 --> 00:59:52,545
You know,
you own a newspaper. Great."
1146
00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:57,115
In hindsight, that was
a little naive. [chuckles]
1147
01:00:00,684 --> 01:00:02,424
Michael Turton:
When Roger took over the paper,
1148
01:00:02,686 --> 01:00:05,079
it definitely
became a political tool.
1149
01:00:05,297 --> 01:00:07,255
We have a full plate
for you tonight
1150
01:00:07,299 --> 01:00:09,867
so we're gonna get right to it.
My name is Beth Ailes.
1151
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:12,043
Alison Rooney:
They put forth candidates
for the village office,
1152
01:00:12,086 --> 01:00:16,047
the town office,
who had no background
1153
01:00:16,090 --> 01:00:19,833
in anything to do
with local government.
1154
01:00:22,314 --> 01:00:24,925
Richard Shea: They got a guy
to run against me
1155
01:00:24,969 --> 01:00:27,319
who was just, you know,
a regular working guy like me.
1156
01:00:27,885 --> 01:00:30,278
And they put a lot of money
into billboards
1157
01:00:30,322 --> 01:00:32,150
and prepping him for debates.
1158
01:00:32,672 --> 01:00:35,240
And Roger, he told me
1159
01:00:35,283 --> 01:00:38,547
he had never lost
any election campaign
1160
01:00:38,591 --> 01:00:40,506
he'd gotten involved with.
He'd...
1161
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,769
You know, and he was gonna
see me out of office.
1162
01:00:45,163 --> 01:00:46,947
You know,
he came here with a mission
1163
01:00:46,991 --> 01:00:49,994
to change this town
from blue to red.
1164
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:54,738
Listen to this one.
1165
01:00:54,781 --> 01:00:57,479
"Roger Ailes needs enemies
1166
01:00:57,871 --> 01:01:01,005
like a tank,
like a tank needs fuel."
1167
01:01:01,353 --> 01:01:02,223
[snickers]
1168
01:01:03,007 --> 01:01:05,139
How come? Why are you.. Why the,
why the, why the pugnacity?
1169
01:01:05,183 --> 01:01:07,098
Well, I would argue with that.
I don't need enemies.
1170
01:01:07,141 --> 01:01:08,360
I have plenty.
1171
01:01:08,621 --> 01:01:11,755
But if somebody, uh,
gets over the line
1172
01:01:11,798 --> 01:01:15,367
or challenges in, uh, some
incorrect way, I will respond.
1173
01:01:20,459 --> 01:01:23,288
E. Jean Carroll:
Roger saw himself as a general
1174
01:01:23,331 --> 01:01:28,902
and nothing brought more joy
to Roger than a battle.
1175
01:01:29,381 --> 01:01:30,730
Two minutes. Pass the word.
1176
01:01:30,774 --> 01:01:32,645
He was like John Wayne
1177
01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:35,779
leading the Green Berets
through Vietnam.
1178
01:01:35,822 --> 01:01:37,650
And if there was no battle,
1179
01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:39,696
he would create the battle,
1180
01:01:40,348 --> 01:01:42,655
which is what he did
with Fox News.
1181
01:01:42,699 --> 01:01:44,091
Dividing us...
1182
01:01:45,397 --> 01:01:47,704
between the conservatives
and the liberals.
1183
01:01:48,748 --> 01:01:50,532
- Come on!
- Let's go!
1184
01:01:50,576 --> 01:01:52,709
Alisyn Camerota: Roger thought
that we were in a war
1185
01:01:52,883 --> 01:01:56,495
against our way of life,
against evil.
1186
01:01:57,626 --> 01:02:01,065
And he was very moved
by stories of patriotism
1187
01:02:01,108 --> 01:02:02,414
and stories of heroes.
1188
01:02:03,067 --> 01:02:04,198
How is he?
1189
01:02:04,242 --> 01:02:05,896
Pretty bad, sir,
but still alive!
1190
01:02:06,592 --> 01:02:08,072
Alisyn Camerota:
He had hemophilia.
1191
01:02:08,115 --> 01:02:10,857
And he said, "I couldn't serve
in the military
1192
01:02:10,901 --> 01:02:12,946
and that's a big regret
of mine.
1193
01:02:13,425 --> 01:02:15,383
But I consider this
1194
01:02:15,949 --> 01:02:20,040
my... payment to the country.
1195
01:02:20,084 --> 01:02:22,826
And I consider this
my battle station.
1196
01:02:22,869 --> 01:02:24,610
And I'm not leaving
my battle station."
1197
01:02:25,742 --> 01:02:27,134
[applauding]
1198
01:02:28,005 --> 01:02:31,269
I'm afraid for our country
and for our children's futures.
1199
01:02:31,530 --> 01:02:34,228
It's just really a scary time
in history.
1200
01:02:34,272 --> 01:02:37,449
This is about the systematic
dismantling of this country.
1201
01:02:37,841 --> 01:02:39,930
People are fired up. They're
upset with the government.
1202
01:02:39,973 --> 01:02:41,322
Have I got that right?
1203
01:02:41,366 --> 01:02:43,760
[cheering]
1204
01:02:44,108 --> 01:02:46,719
Roger Ailes:
Americans love their families.
1205
01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:48,590
They love their flag.
1206
01:02:48,808 --> 01:02:50,549
They think schools
have gone off the edge
1207
01:02:50,592 --> 01:02:52,246
and killed American history.
1208
01:02:53,334 --> 01:02:56,773
I built Fox understanding
the pressures, worries
1209
01:02:56,816 --> 01:02:59,645
and aspirations
of average Americans.
1210
01:03:00,298 --> 01:03:02,691
♪ ...home of the brave ♪
1211
01:03:02,735 --> 01:03:04,432
Roger Ailes:
I love these people.
1212
01:03:04,781 --> 01:03:06,391
Vivian:
This is Vivian in Cincinnati
1213
01:03:06,434 --> 01:03:08,567
and, uh, Roger Ailes,
we love you here.
1214
01:03:08,828 --> 01:03:10,656
Keep up the good work.
1215
01:03:10,699 --> 01:03:13,964
female TV viewer:
I want to thank Fox News
for bringing to light
1216
01:03:14,007 --> 01:03:17,141
issues that, uh, don't get
covered by the other networks.
1217
01:03:17,184 --> 01:03:19,186
male TV viewer: Mr. Ailes,
I'm missingFox And Friends
1218
01:03:19,404 --> 01:03:20,884
to see you this morning.
1219
01:03:20,927 --> 01:03:22,624
- Don't do that. [chuckles]
- [male TV viewer laughs]
1220
01:03:22,668 --> 01:03:25,802
We need all the viewers
we can get on Fox And Friends.
1221
01:03:25,845 --> 01:03:28,152
Turn me off immediately
and go to Fox And Friends.
1222
01:03:28,413 --> 01:03:29,501
[laughs]
1223
01:03:30,197 --> 01:03:31,808
E. Jean Carroll: Lots of people
are smarter than Roger Ailes.
1224
01:03:31,851 --> 01:03:35,768
Lots and lots. But nobody
was as canny as Roger.
1225
01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:37,596
He could read a person
very fast.
1226
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:39,163
He could read a room very fast.
1227
01:03:39,206 --> 01:03:42,470
And, boy, did he get
the temperature of the country
1228
01:03:42,514 --> 01:03:44,603
uh, when nobody else did.
1229
01:03:45,386 --> 01:03:47,954
- That's nice, you see it?
- Oh, wow, that's great.
1230
01:03:47,998 --> 01:03:49,956
And his numbers
have been fantastic.
1231
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,915
Felycia Sugarman:
Roger absolutely understood
1232
01:03:51,958 --> 01:03:55,962
from all the time in politics
that frightening people
1233
01:03:56,006 --> 01:03:59,487
pouring, you know,
gasoline on that fire,
1234
01:03:59,531 --> 01:04:01,838
that gets people
glued to their television.
1235
01:04:03,883 --> 01:04:06,843
Glenn Beck:
That was the genius of Roger
1236
01:04:07,669 --> 01:04:09,367
knowing how to speak
1237
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:12,022
the language of America.
1238
01:04:12,849 --> 01:04:14,459
More blood. More red meat.
1239
01:04:16,026 --> 01:04:18,680
"I gotta get you outraged,
so you watch more."
1240
01:04:20,204 --> 01:04:22,467
- Caution.
- Listen up, America.
1241
01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:24,338
It is happening, America.
1242
01:04:24,382 --> 01:04:26,645
I am telling you,
America as we know it,
1243
01:04:26,688 --> 01:04:28,690
freedom of speech,
as we know it, is over.
1244
01:04:28,908 --> 01:04:31,693
The left has been preparing
and indoctrinating.
1245
01:04:31,737 --> 01:04:33,826
They're gonna take away
your constitutional rights.
1246
01:04:34,087 --> 01:04:36,176
They sneer at you.
They have contempt for you.
1247
01:04:36,481 --> 01:04:38,744
Who's gonna stop this madness?
You?
1248
01:04:39,527 --> 01:04:41,529
Are you paying attention now?
1249
01:04:42,443 --> 01:04:44,881
When you're watching Fox News,
you think
1250
01:04:45,403 --> 01:04:49,711
these people are just
kind of peddling these theories
1251
01:04:50,060 --> 01:04:52,062
because they want more viewers
1252
01:04:52,105 --> 01:04:54,891
and they're catering
to their base.
1253
01:04:55,587 --> 01:04:57,371
But based on my conversation
1254
01:04:57,415 --> 01:04:59,765
with Roger Ailes,
he truly believed in it.
1255
01:04:59,939 --> 01:05:03,856
Barack Obama has
deep, emotional ties to Islam.
1256
01:05:04,161 --> 01:05:07,294
Lidia Curanaj:
He said to me, "Barack Obama,
he's really not a Christian.
1257
01:05:07,512 --> 01:05:09,862
He's a Muslim.
His father is Muslim.
1258
01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:12,256
Well, he could deny it all he
wants, but he has an agenda."
1259
01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:14,171
Alexis:
What do you think that was?
1260
01:05:14,214 --> 01:05:17,217
To ruin, to ruin America.
To bring it down.
1261
01:05:17,261 --> 01:05:18,915
I mean, that's...
He-He felt like
1262
01:05:18,958 --> 01:05:21,134
the president at the time
was a threat.
1263
01:05:21,787 --> 01:05:23,963
And it was almost like his duty
1264
01:05:24,007 --> 01:05:26,444
as the head of Fox News
to get the truth out.
1265
01:05:27,314 --> 01:05:30,013
Bill O'Reilly:
Barack Obama's father
who abandoned his family
1266
01:05:30,056 --> 01:05:33,277
was a Muslim
who eventually turned atheist.
1267
01:05:33,886 --> 01:05:36,062
male reporter: Barack Obama
has dozens of unelected
1268
01:05:36,106 --> 01:05:39,587
and unaccountable czars working
to execute his radical plan.
1269
01:05:39,631 --> 01:05:41,763
Let's give
his new green jobs czar.
1270
01:05:41,807 --> 01:05:44,941
The guy is, again,
black liberation theology,
1271
01:05:45,115 --> 01:05:46,551
a black nationalist.
1272
01:05:46,768 --> 01:05:49,075
This is part of the movement
that is trying to get Islam
1273
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:50,947
and specifically, Sharia law
1274
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:54,298
infused into
the American legal court system.
1275
01:05:54,341 --> 01:05:57,388
This president, I think,
has exposed himself as a guy
1276
01:05:57,431 --> 01:05:59,259
over and over and over again
1277
01:05:59,303 --> 01:06:03,089
who has a deep-seeded hatred
for white people
1278
01:06:03,133 --> 01:06:05,309
or the white culture,
I don't know what it is.
1279
01:06:08,138 --> 01:06:10,053
David Shuster:
Roger Ailes paved the way
1280
01:06:10,096 --> 01:06:13,970
for conspiracy theories
to go mainstream.
1281
01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:18,278
The idea that Barack Obama's
not American
1282
01:06:18,322 --> 01:06:20,367
Pizzagate, whatever it is
1283
01:06:20,585 --> 01:06:23,892
there's no shame now
in promoting this stuff.
1284
01:06:23,936 --> 01:06:27,635
And in fact, the benefit is
you get airtime.
1285
01:06:28,027 --> 01:06:30,334
And if you get airtime,
you become more famous.
1286
01:06:30,377 --> 01:06:32,379
Donald Trump is back here
with us.
1287
01:06:32,597 --> 01:06:34,120
- Thank you.
- Great to have you.
1288
01:06:34,164 --> 01:06:35,600
You are a man of action.
1289
01:06:35,817 --> 01:06:39,473
Trump is such a Foxy character
that if he hadn't been real,
1290
01:06:39,517 --> 01:06:42,824
Roger Ailes would've created
him... [laughs] in a lab.
1291
01:06:42,868 --> 01:06:44,913
Trump: He can say what he wants,
but the fact is
1292
01:06:44,957 --> 01:06:47,177
that this guy has not revealed
his birth certificate.
1293
01:06:47,394 --> 01:06:49,657
He just signs executive orders
all over the place,
1294
01:06:49,701 --> 01:06:51,137
then he'll be sued on that.
1295
01:06:51,181 --> 01:06:52,399
He'll be out on a golf course
1296
01:06:52,617 --> 01:06:54,358
in about three years
when it comes up.
1297
01:06:54,401 --> 01:06:57,970
Everything he touches
turns to trouble.
1298
01:06:58,536 --> 01:07:00,277
And I was gonna use
a worse word,
1299
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,974
but I refuse to use that word.
1300
01:07:03,410 --> 01:07:05,282
Joe Muto: You know, Trump had
a personal relationship
1301
01:07:05,325 --> 01:07:07,501
with a lot of the people
at the network.
1302
01:07:07,545 --> 01:07:10,026
He was on every Fox show,
he was onO'Reilly,
1303
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:12,941
Hannity, Fox And Friends.
He was everywhere.
1304
01:07:12,985 --> 01:07:15,770
Uh, Donald Trump, welcome back.
It's Monday, it's time for you.
1305
01:07:15,814 --> 01:07:17,033
Trump [on phone]:
Good morning.
1306
01:07:17,207 --> 01:07:20,514
So Trump was a familiar voice
1307
01:07:20,558 --> 01:07:22,168
to the Fox News audience,
1308
01:07:22,212 --> 01:07:24,779
which I think
is what made him so palatable
1309
01:07:24,823 --> 01:07:26,912
you know,
during the Republican primary.
1310
01:07:28,392 --> 01:07:30,872
That was Roger's power
and influence.
1311
01:07:30,916 --> 01:07:33,919
[overlapping chatter on TV]
1312
01:07:38,924 --> 01:07:42,406
John Cook:
Roger Ailes is one of
the most consequential figures
1313
01:07:42,449 --> 01:07:44,930
in our cultural history.
1314
01:07:46,149 --> 01:07:49,500
And at a time when
the news business as a whole
1315
01:07:49,543 --> 01:07:51,110
was, like, dying and flailing,
1316
01:07:51,937 --> 01:07:54,113
he created one
of the most profitable
1317
01:07:54,461 --> 01:07:56,289
news ventures ever.
1318
01:07:58,335 --> 01:08:01,555
Alisyn Camerota:
He figured out that there was
this right-leaning market
1319
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:03,340
that hadn't been cornered.
1320
01:08:03,383 --> 01:08:05,777
It aligned
with his own world view.
1321
01:08:06,299 --> 01:08:07,866
And in a short order, Fox News
1322
01:08:07,909 --> 01:08:09,824
became the number one
cable network.
1323
01:08:09,868 --> 01:08:12,262
Our cable news competition
has been destroyed.
1324
01:08:12,305 --> 01:08:14,699
Ratings for liberal TV news
are dismal.
1325
01:08:14,916 --> 01:08:17,919
male reporter #6:
Fox News Channel remained
the top cable news channel...
1326
01:08:17,963 --> 01:08:20,792
Alisyn Camerota:
And then all of his assumptions
have been proven right.
1327
01:08:20,966 --> 01:08:23,099
female anchor #5:
Ailes has signed
a new multi-year contract
1328
01:08:23,273 --> 01:08:24,361
with the company.
1329
01:08:24,404 --> 01:08:27,103
I mean, he was winning.
He was winning.
1330
01:08:31,324 --> 01:08:33,109
[train horn blaring]
1331
01:08:35,807 --> 01:08:38,636
I think when you look at
Roger Ailes in this community,
1332
01:08:39,158 --> 01:08:40,507
he tried to take it over,
1333
01:08:40,812 --> 01:08:42,422
but never really
became part of it.
1334
01:08:43,989 --> 01:08:46,948
And he may have been a genius
on the national scene,
1335
01:08:46,992 --> 01:08:49,212
but I think
he really did not get
1336
01:08:49,255 --> 01:08:51,257
what the local community was.
1337
01:08:53,651 --> 01:08:56,132
Roger Ailes: I moved up
to that quiet village,
1338
01:08:56,175 --> 01:08:59,004
but I had no idea there was
any intrigue up there.
1339
01:08:59,396 --> 01:09:02,660
I thought this was a normal,
nice community.
1340
01:09:04,183 --> 01:09:06,794
All of a sudden,
we find out, holy shit!
1341
01:09:06,838 --> 01:09:09,928
Reminds me of
the La Drang Valley in Vietnam.
1342
01:09:12,496 --> 01:09:15,586
Alison Rooney:
Working at the newspaper
with Roger and Beth,
1343
01:09:15,629 --> 01:09:18,284
it was always thinking
the worst of people,
1344
01:09:18,328 --> 01:09:21,026
always thinking that
someone was out to get them.
1345
01:09:22,158 --> 01:09:24,856
They relished
rousing and dividing.
1346
01:09:25,813 --> 01:09:28,990
And I just decided
I just can't take it anymore.
1347
01:09:30,296 --> 01:09:31,515
Got to get out.
1348
01:09:35,867 --> 01:09:38,696
A great number of people
in their staff left.
1349
01:09:39,697 --> 01:09:42,526
You know, it was sizable.
It was, you know, at least 50%.
1350
01:09:43,570 --> 01:09:46,704
And we all knew that they would
perceive it as an attack.
1351
01:09:52,057 --> 01:09:54,190
About three days
after I left there,
1352
01:09:54,712 --> 01:09:58,194
I began hearing from people
1353
01:09:58,237 --> 01:10:00,152
whom I had sent Facebook
messages to,
1354
01:10:00,370 --> 01:10:02,850
private Facebook messages
from my own account,
1355
01:10:03,416 --> 01:10:07,159
um, that... that they knew
1356
01:10:07,203 --> 01:10:09,379
that Roger Ailes
had looked at them.
1357
01:10:10,423 --> 01:10:14,297
And in one instance, the person
received a phone call
1358
01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:15,559
from Roger Ailes.
1359
01:10:16,168 --> 01:10:19,258
He picked up he said,
"This is Roger Ailes.
1360
01:10:19,302 --> 01:10:22,566
I hear that you've been making,
uh, threats about me."
1361
01:10:23,393 --> 01:10:27,353
And he quoted whatever
innocuous throwaway line.
1362
01:10:27,397 --> 01:10:30,400
He quoted verbatim
from my personal accounts.
1363
01:10:30,748 --> 01:10:33,925
All password protected,
signed into by me.
1364
01:10:35,274 --> 01:10:37,363
And it was
absolutely terrifying.
1365
01:10:38,843 --> 01:10:41,019
This feeling that there are
really powerful people
1366
01:10:41,062 --> 01:10:43,282
who live five minutes
from my door
1367
01:10:43,326 --> 01:10:45,632
who are out to destroy me
and my little life.
1368
01:10:47,721 --> 01:10:49,419
But I was just the copy editor.
1369
01:10:49,941 --> 01:10:51,769
Like, why does he care?
1370
01:10:55,773 --> 01:10:59,646
Richard Shea:
You know, during the election,
it got so ugly.
1371
01:10:59,907 --> 01:11:01,387
I remember at one point,
he said,
1372
01:11:01,431 --> 01:11:03,563
"I'll park a goddamn
Fox News truck
1373
01:11:03,607 --> 01:11:06,262
at the end of your driveway
and have them follow you
1374
01:11:06,305 --> 01:11:07,567
as long as I want."
1375
01:11:08,351 --> 01:11:09,874
And that's not the kind of thing
1376
01:11:09,917 --> 01:11:12,268
that you're expecting
in small-town politics.
1377
01:11:13,965 --> 01:11:16,402
You know, they put our house
on the front page
1378
01:11:16,446 --> 01:11:17,621
ofThe Putnam County News.
1379
01:11:18,839 --> 01:11:21,973
And, you know, I was getting
letters about abortion.
1380
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:25,324
Then one guy told me
point-blank one time,
1381
01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:27,500
"If I ever see you cross
the street, I'll run you over."
1382
01:11:27,805 --> 01:11:31,809
And I was like,
"Man, this is nuts."
1383
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:41,949
But in the end,
the election wasn't close.
1384
01:11:41,993 --> 01:11:43,516
Not within 50%.
1385
01:11:43,821 --> 01:11:46,127
[chuckles] We're here
at Makaria Gallagher's house
1386
01:11:46,171 --> 01:11:47,912
celebrating a Democratic sweep.
1387
01:11:47,955 --> 01:11:50,567
The opposition's here. We've all
shook hands and made up.
1388
01:11:50,610 --> 01:11:52,612
So we're looking forward
to working for the town
1389
01:11:52,656 --> 01:11:54,701
and, you know, getting things
back to normal.
1390
01:11:59,010 --> 01:12:00,490
After winning the election,
1391
01:12:01,012 --> 01:12:03,144
we spent many,
many hours together.
1392
01:12:03,188 --> 01:12:04,929
He'd call me on
a lot of Fridays.
1393
01:12:04,972 --> 01:12:06,496
"Come on down.
I wanna talk to you."
1394
01:12:06,539 --> 01:12:07,801
You know, Friday afternoon.
1395
01:12:08,019 --> 01:12:09,977
It would be about local issues
and then it would
1396
01:12:10,021 --> 01:12:13,024
just morph into him
telling me about himself.
1397
01:12:13,372 --> 01:12:14,939
Trying to impress me.
1398
01:12:15,156 --> 01:12:17,158
He would always tell me
how much money he made.
1399
01:12:17,202 --> 01:12:20,379
You know, he just made a billion
dollars last year for Fox.
1400
01:12:20,423 --> 01:12:22,076
It was sad in a way.
I'm thinking
1401
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,340
"Here's a guy,
all the money in the world,
1402
01:12:24,383 --> 01:12:26,733
could be anywhere,
be doing anything,
1403
01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:28,779
and we're sitting
in the offices
1404
01:12:28,822 --> 01:12:31,216
of The Putnam County News
having a chat.
1405
01:12:32,260 --> 01:12:35,873
I always wondered, "Does
this guy have actual friends?"
1406
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:40,399
You know, "Don't you have
somewhere you'd rather be?"
1407
01:12:45,230 --> 01:12:46,971
He would come right out and say,
1408
01:12:47,014 --> 01:12:49,234
"Why do people hate me
so much here?"
1409
01:12:56,894 --> 01:13:03,814
Roger Ailes:
1410
01:13:07,513 --> 01:13:10,211
Keep your eyes on other people.
Watch what's going on.
1411
01:13:11,561 --> 01:13:14,912
Are they agreeing with you
or disagreeing?
1412
01:13:18,481 --> 01:13:21,353
I was told, my first week
on the job,
1413
01:13:21,919 --> 01:13:23,399
"Roger has this place bugged.
1414
01:13:24,661 --> 01:13:27,446
He's got the newsroom bugged.
He's got the elevators bugged.
1415
01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:30,275
He's got
all the talent offices bugged.
1416
01:13:30,667 --> 01:13:32,364
Don't talk shit about Roger.
1417
01:13:33,104 --> 01:13:34,497
Don't talk about, you know,
1418
01:13:34,540 --> 01:13:36,237
how much you love
Hillary Clinton
1419
01:13:36,281 --> 01:13:39,023
because they'll fire you if they
hear you talking like that."
1420
01:13:42,418 --> 01:13:46,160
Glenn Beck:
At one point, he called me
into his office and he said,
1421
01:13:46,204 --> 01:13:50,164
"You know, a lot of people
doing their homework on you."
1422
01:13:50,208 --> 01:13:51,470
I said, "I know."
1423
01:13:51,818 --> 01:13:54,691
And he said,
"So you have to be careful."
1424
01:13:54,734 --> 01:13:57,433
And I said, "Hmm, I know."
1425
01:13:58,216 --> 01:13:59,609
And he said,
1426
01:13:59,652 --> 01:14:03,961
"Look, there's a lot of stuff
out there."
1427
01:14:04,309 --> 01:14:07,573
And he reaches down and he pulls
up a stack of file folders
1428
01:14:07,617 --> 01:14:09,401
about this tall, literally.
1429
01:14:10,010 --> 01:14:11,795
He sits it right in front of him
1430
01:14:12,404 --> 01:14:14,101
and he just puts his hand
on there.
1431
01:14:14,624 --> 01:14:17,931
And he said... He sits there
and he looks at me for a while
1432
01:14:17,975 --> 01:14:19,150
and he said,
1433
01:14:20,586 --> 01:14:22,458
"It's always a shame
1434
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:26,940
when a man has a wife
as wonderful as yours."
1435
01:14:27,767 --> 01:14:29,552
I was like, Oh, my gosh.
1436
01:14:29,595 --> 01:14:32,468
And I leaned up out of my chair
towards his desk
1437
01:14:32,511 --> 01:14:34,861
and I said, "Yes?"
1438
01:14:35,253 --> 01:14:37,429
And he said,
"It's always a shame
1439
01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:40,301
when a man does something
to hurt that woman."
1440
01:14:40,345 --> 01:14:42,521
And I said, "It is,
1441
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,613
and that's why I'm happy to say
nothing like that has happened."
1442
01:14:47,874 --> 01:14:50,529
And he stared at me
for about 30 seconds
1443
01:14:50,573 --> 01:14:53,358
and he put the files down,
and he said,
1444
01:14:53,924 --> 01:14:55,403
"But I just want you
to be careful."
1445
01:14:55,447 --> 01:14:58,494
He was fishing for something.
1446
01:14:59,625 --> 01:15:00,887
He was bluffing.
1447
01:15:01,105 --> 01:15:03,020
I think there was nothing
in those files.
1448
01:15:04,717 --> 01:15:09,374
That was Roger's way
of having control of people.
1449
01:15:11,202 --> 01:15:14,771
First thing I tell people at Fox
is, if you're not happy here
1450
01:15:14,814 --> 01:15:18,035
and you're not havin' fun here,
you need to get out of here
1451
01:15:18,949 --> 01:15:21,038
because we don't wanna be
around downers.
1452
01:15:22,082 --> 01:15:27,044
Negative people make
positive people physically ill.
1453
01:15:29,133 --> 01:15:33,180
All progress
depends on positive people.
1454
01:15:36,009 --> 01:15:39,404
Get away from the other ones.
They're gonna drag you down.
1455
01:15:42,668 --> 01:15:45,541
I was offered, um,
on three occasions
1456
01:15:45,584 --> 01:15:47,194
to go and work at Fox
1457
01:15:47,804 --> 01:15:50,241
and I turned them all down.
1458
01:15:50,763 --> 01:15:53,026
I think Roger
was a different person then.
1459
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:57,422
And it wasn't a place
that I wanted to work.
1460
01:15:58,118 --> 01:16:01,687
And it's sad to me that
he went on to do what he did.
1461
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:04,951
I think he probably
would have been happier
1462
01:16:05,604 --> 01:16:09,347
if America's Talkingcontinued.
1463
01:16:12,089 --> 01:16:16,049
Felycia Sugarman:
When I went up to visit him at
Fox, he seemed happy to see me.
1464
01:16:16,093 --> 01:16:18,225
I mean, he was married.
He had a son.
1465
01:16:18,269 --> 01:16:20,967
He talked a lot about his son,
Zach, when I saw him.
1466
01:16:21,794 --> 01:16:25,363
But I remember thinking
it was a little bit odd
1467
01:16:25,406 --> 01:16:27,495
because he had
the bulletproof glass,
1468
01:16:27,539 --> 01:16:30,063
the cameras that were feeding
into his office.
1469
01:16:30,107 --> 01:16:32,892
There was a steel
or some kind of reinforced door.
1470
01:16:32,936 --> 01:16:36,330
And he said that he's, you know,
had to protect himself
1471
01:16:36,374 --> 01:16:38,289
against the Libyans
or something.
1472
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,424
Adasa Blanco:
Mr. Ailes wasn't favorable
1473
01:16:43,468 --> 01:16:46,253
towards people
of Middle-Eastern descent.
1474
01:16:47,298 --> 01:16:50,475
He kinda had these
preconceived ideas of them.
1475
01:16:52,303 --> 01:16:55,741
And there was one incident,
a horrible incident
1476
01:16:55,785 --> 01:16:58,788
that a coworker of mine, Musfik
1477
01:16:58,831 --> 01:17:01,921
he had to bring something
to the second floor
1478
01:17:01,965 --> 01:17:05,490
and wound up in Mr. Ailes area,
1479
01:17:06,186 --> 01:17:07,623
and all hell broke loose.
1480
01:17:08,972 --> 01:17:11,104
Next thing you know,
there was a wall built
1481
01:17:11,148 --> 01:17:15,108
so you had to go through a door
to get into his area.
1482
01:17:16,327 --> 01:17:18,982
And Musfik was upset.
He was in tears.
1483
01:17:19,417 --> 01:17:22,028
They revoked his access,
not to Mr. Ailes' area,
1484
01:17:22,246 --> 01:17:24,248
but to the second floor
entirely.
1485
01:17:27,468 --> 01:17:30,646
John Cook: Roger Ailes was
a profoundly paranoid person.
1486
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:33,474
He carried a gun at all times.
1487
01:17:33,518 --> 01:17:36,129
He was convinced that Al-Qaeda
was trying to kill him,
1488
01:17:36,173 --> 01:17:39,176
that gay terrorists
would come attack him.
1489
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:42,048
Um, Roger Ailes thought
that like
1490
01:17:42,527 --> 01:17:47,314
Osama Bin Laden was sitting
in his cave
1491
01:17:47,358 --> 01:17:49,621
and he had, like,
the list of people.
1492
01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:51,841
And it was like,
George W. Bush,
1493
01:17:52,842 --> 01:17:53,973
and then Roger Ailes.
1494
01:17:55,018 --> 01:17:57,934
He thought that he was
a world historical figure
1495
01:17:57,977 --> 01:17:59,805
worthy of
an assassination attempt.
1496
01:18:05,855 --> 01:18:07,857
[piano music plays]
1497
01:18:09,859 --> 01:18:11,817
Alisyn Camerota:
At the White House
Christmas party
1498
01:18:11,861 --> 01:18:13,689
I was directly behind Roger
1499
01:18:13,863 --> 01:18:17,214
in line to have our photos taken
with the president.
1500
01:18:17,649 --> 01:18:20,173
So I peeked around the curtain
1501
01:18:20,217 --> 01:18:23,699
and I watched
as Roger Ailes approached
1502
01:18:23,742 --> 01:18:26,353
and Barack Obama turned around
and held his arms out,
1503
01:18:26,397 --> 01:18:29,705
and saw Roger for the first time
and said,
1504
01:18:30,053 --> 01:18:34,013
"Roger Ailes,
the most powerful man in media,
1505
01:18:34,057 --> 01:18:35,580
step right up."
1506
01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:38,757
And Roger went up
and shook his hand
1507
01:18:38,801 --> 01:18:41,847
and they stood
and smiled for the camera
1508
01:18:41,891 --> 01:18:43,240
and took the shot.
1509
01:18:44,458 --> 01:18:47,374
I didn't know if they were
gonna insult each other
1510
01:18:47,418 --> 01:18:49,202
or, like, come to blows
1511
01:18:49,246 --> 01:18:53,424
because it had been so tense
for so long.
1512
01:18:54,251 --> 01:18:58,211
And so when we got back
the next day, I was back at Fox
1513
01:18:58,255 --> 01:19:01,562
and I ran into one of the
senior vice presidents who said,
1514
01:19:01,606 --> 01:19:03,390
"Did you have fun
at the Christmas party?"
1515
01:19:03,434 --> 01:19:05,392
I said, "I had a great time.
It was fascinating
1516
01:19:05,436 --> 01:19:09,005
because I was right behind Roger
for the photo taking,"
1517
01:19:09,048 --> 01:19:11,703
He said, "Oh, then you heard
the big moment?"
1518
01:19:11,747 --> 01:19:14,837
And I said, "Yes, I did."
And he said, "Wasn't it crazy
1519
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,840
to hear President Obama say,
1520
01:19:17,883 --> 01:19:21,278
'Roger Ailes, the most
powerful man in the world'?"
1521
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,585
And I said,
"That's not what he said."
1522
01:19:24,629 --> 01:19:27,632
And he said, "Yes, it is."
And I said, "Uh-uh."
1523
01:19:28,415 --> 01:19:31,157
He said, "Roger Ailes,
the most powerful man in media."
1524
01:19:31,549 --> 01:19:34,247
But there was no point
in me going to, like, burst
1525
01:19:34,291 --> 01:19:37,903
Roger's bubble
or call bullshit on it with him
1526
01:19:37,947 --> 01:19:39,818
you know, one-on-one,
because I saw that
1527
01:19:39,862 --> 01:19:42,386
that was already
the new narrative.
1528
01:19:55,660 --> 01:19:58,837
Sarah Ellison:
Roger was definitely invested
in creating a myth
1529
01:19:58,881 --> 01:20:01,405
about who he was
and what he had come from.
1530
01:20:02,014 --> 01:20:04,843
And it was a myth
about overcoming adversity.
1531
01:20:04,887 --> 01:20:08,325
It was a myth about success.
It was a myth about power.
1532
01:20:10,327 --> 01:20:12,851
For example, the story of Roger
jumping to his father
1533
01:20:12,895 --> 01:20:16,768
and then being allowed
to fall flat on the ground
1534
01:20:16,812 --> 01:20:20,163
is such a well-known
literary trope.
1535
01:20:20,206 --> 01:20:22,992
The story of how
a father teaches his son
1536
01:20:23,035 --> 01:20:25,516
the hard lessons of life.
1537
01:20:26,212 --> 01:20:29,172
It's been used in literature
many, many times.
1538
01:20:30,521 --> 01:20:33,219
And the story happens
in the bedroom
1539
01:20:33,437 --> 01:20:35,308
he shares with his brother.
1540
01:20:35,352 --> 01:20:38,703
His brother denies
that that story is true.
1541
01:20:39,051 --> 01:20:43,099
But I think
it's Roger's effort to create
1542
01:20:43,142 --> 01:20:47,190
a kind of trust-no-one
victim narrative
1543
01:20:47,233 --> 01:20:48,844
that really fueled him,
1544
01:20:49,888 --> 01:20:52,195
and Roger really knew
how to manipulate that.
1545
01:20:57,722 --> 01:21:01,334
Glenn Beck:
It's hard when you actually
believe in something
1546
01:21:01,378 --> 01:21:04,250
and you,
you don't want to do harm,
1547
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:07,732
but somehow or another,
you just keep doing harm.
1548
01:21:08,559 --> 01:21:12,041
announcer: Ladies and gentlemen,
Glenn Beck!
1549
01:21:12,650 --> 01:21:14,695
Hello, America!
1550
01:21:16,872 --> 01:21:18,874
I remember
when I was in Washington D.C.
1551
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,224
It was after the big thing
on the mall.
1552
01:21:22,094 --> 01:21:24,792
And I remember
praying and hearing
1553
01:21:24,836 --> 01:21:26,664
"You're standing
in the wrong place."
1554
01:21:26,707 --> 01:21:28,492
We are truly humbled..
1555
01:21:28,535 --> 01:21:30,886
How am I now in this position
1556
01:21:31,103 --> 01:21:32,844
where I am the most polarizing
1557
01:21:32,888 --> 01:21:35,412
divisive figure in the country?
1558
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,938
And it was the beginning
of give it all up.
1559
01:21:39,982 --> 01:21:42,071
Get out, get out,
get out, get out.
1560
01:21:44,073 --> 01:21:46,553
So I went into Roger's office
and I said, "I'm leaving."
1561
01:21:46,597 --> 01:21:48,251
And he said, "No, you're not.
Nobody leaves."
1562
01:21:48,294 --> 01:21:50,862
And I said, "Yeah, you know
what, before you say anything...
1563
01:21:52,603 --> 01:21:54,039
can I just say something
1564
01:21:54,083 --> 01:21:57,956
'cause I know
how this is gonna end here?
1565
01:21:58,217 --> 01:22:00,045
So just let me say this to you.
1566
01:22:00,089 --> 01:22:02,918
No matter what, thank you."
1567
01:22:03,788 --> 01:22:06,878
I said, "Thank you
for giving the conservatives
1568
01:22:07,096 --> 01:22:09,533
a chance to have a voice."
1569
01:22:10,577 --> 01:22:14,407
And I... And he looked at me
and his eyes welled up.
1570
01:22:14,451 --> 01:22:17,062
And that meant something to him
1571
01:22:17,106 --> 01:22:20,631
that somebody actually saw it
that way.
1572
01:22:23,286 --> 01:22:24,591
I said to Roger,
1573
01:22:24,896 --> 01:22:27,333
"So what are you,
what's next for you?"
1574
01:22:27,551 --> 01:22:29,248
I said,
"Why are you still here?"
1575
01:22:29,988 --> 01:22:34,732
And he said, "Still have a,
still have a president to pick."
1576
01:22:37,561 --> 01:22:40,825
"I still have a president
to pick."
1577
01:22:42,261 --> 01:22:43,349
Wow.
1578
01:22:48,964 --> 01:22:50,617
Roger Ailes:
We're in a storm.
1579
01:22:50,661 --> 01:22:53,011
Our mast is broken,
our compass is off
1580
01:22:53,055 --> 01:22:55,144
and there's a big damn hole
in the boat.
1581
01:22:56,710 --> 01:23:00,366
We've allowed ourselves
to be manipulated by others.
1582
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:05,981
Is everything fair game today?
1583
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,505
Is everything personal?
1584
01:23:15,512 --> 01:23:19,037
A sexual harassment scandal is
rocking the world of cable news.
1585
01:23:19,081 --> 01:23:20,952
Gretchen Carlson,
who until recently
1586
01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:22,475
was an anchor for Fox News
1587
01:23:22,519 --> 01:23:26,305
is suing the channel's
powerful CEO, Roger Ailes.
1588
01:23:26,349 --> 01:23:28,133
She accuses him of firing her
1589
01:23:28,177 --> 01:23:30,353
for refusing
his sexual advances.
1590
01:23:31,223 --> 01:23:33,704
Gretchen Carlson
was a former Miss America.
1591
01:23:34,052 --> 01:23:36,315
female announcer:
She's crying, that's obligatory.
1592
01:23:36,359 --> 01:23:39,405
Sarah Ellison:
She was a violin prodigy
and had used those talents
1593
01:23:39,623 --> 01:23:41,625
to get her
a Miss America crown.
1594
01:23:42,843 --> 01:23:45,890
But she also
had a kind of hard edge
1595
01:23:46,238 --> 01:23:48,066
and she was sophisticated
1596
01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:51,852
even though when she was on air
onFox And Friends,
1597
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:53,593
she sort of played dumb.
1598
01:23:53,637 --> 01:23:55,987
We're not supposed to wear
the same color and I'm just..
1599
01:23:56,031 --> 01:23:58,946
- Just one of those mornings.
- [laughs] No kiddin'.
1600
01:23:58,990 --> 01:24:01,166
But she certainly
went into this prepared.
1601
01:24:01,210 --> 01:24:05,214
She had been recording
conversations with Roger
1602
01:24:05,562 --> 01:24:08,434
long before
her contract wasn't renewed.
1603
01:24:08,652 --> 01:24:11,524
female anchor:
She accused him
of ogling her in his office
1604
01:24:11,568 --> 01:24:15,528
and asking her to turn around
so he could view her posterior
1605
01:24:15,572 --> 01:24:17,095
claiming Ailes told her:
1606
01:24:28,933 --> 01:24:31,675
Sarah Ellison: There is a way
to operate in a crisis.
1607
01:24:31,936 --> 01:24:33,894
And there are
a group of professionals
1608
01:24:33,938 --> 01:24:35,896
who know how to do that.
1609
01:24:37,463 --> 01:24:40,118
When Roger is being accused
of sexual harassment
1610
01:24:40,162 --> 01:24:44,209
and needs to know
who he should hire
1611
01:24:44,253 --> 01:24:46,603
and who he should go to
for advice
1612
01:24:47,125 --> 01:24:49,475
who does he call
but Donald Trump?
1613
01:24:55,133 --> 01:24:56,482
Let me check your mic.
1614
01:24:58,441 --> 01:25:02,575
We operate in a very small space
called Crisis Communications,
1615
01:25:02,619 --> 01:25:04,751
but with clients that find
themselves, we always say
1616
01:25:04,795 --> 01:25:07,014
in difficult
or delicate situations.
1617
01:25:07,058 --> 01:25:09,930
So we get a lot of our work
through attorneys.
1618
01:25:12,585 --> 01:25:16,285
Karen Kessler: The day after
Gretchen's lawsuit was filed
1619
01:25:16,502 --> 01:25:18,374
I was on my way home
from the gym,
1620
01:25:18,417 --> 01:25:20,158
and it was about 7:30
in the morning,
1621
01:25:20,202 --> 01:25:22,117
and the phone rang,
1622
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,424
and it was an attorney
that is a well-known litigator.
1623
01:25:25,468 --> 01:25:28,862
He said, "I work with
Donald Trump a great deal.
1624
01:25:28,906 --> 01:25:30,777
"Donald Trump
is looking to find someone
1625
01:25:30,821 --> 01:25:32,605
who can help his friend,
Roger Ailes."
1626
01:25:34,433 --> 01:25:35,956
And at that point,
we did not know
1627
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,785
much about Roger's history
with women,
1628
01:25:38,829 --> 01:25:42,441
and we walked in with the belief
that this was a legal case
1629
01:25:42,485 --> 01:25:45,183
and that they were gonna be
fighting it on the legal merits.
1630
01:25:46,967 --> 01:25:49,274
We pulled in
and we were greeted by a woman
1631
01:25:49,318 --> 01:25:52,625
who introduced herself
as Beth Ailes' sister.
1632
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:55,106
And she took us
into the living room,
1633
01:25:55,150 --> 01:25:59,328
which was very heavy chintz:
florals, sofas.
1634
01:25:59,371 --> 01:26:02,766
And seated against the windows
in this huge armchair
1635
01:26:02,809 --> 01:26:05,116
was Roger himself,
larger than life
1636
01:26:05,377 --> 01:26:09,555
hooked up
to an intravenous... bag
1637
01:26:09,816 --> 01:26:14,169
uh, attached to one of those
long, those high metal stands.
1638
01:26:14,212 --> 01:26:17,694
And Beth said,
"Roger is getting his vitamins."
1639
01:26:18,347 --> 01:26:22,612
There was this whirlwind going
on around him and about him.
1640
01:26:22,655 --> 01:26:27,182
It was just this frenetic kind
of energy war room-like,
1641
01:26:27,356 --> 01:26:30,185
of phones ringing
people walking in and out.
1642
01:26:30,402 --> 01:26:32,491
You know, "I just heard
from Alan Dershowitz."
1643
01:26:32,535 --> 01:26:35,146
"Oh, that's so-and-so's
weighing in."
1644
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:38,541
"I need to get on the phone.
Rudy Giuliani just called me."
1645
01:26:38,584 --> 01:26:41,239
Everybody was a guardian
at the gate
1646
01:26:41,283 --> 01:26:42,675
to protect Roger.
1647
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:46,201
And I...
He really responded
1648
01:26:46,592 --> 01:26:48,507
I think, very well to that.
1649
01:26:48,551 --> 01:26:52,642
Which is one of the reasons
why it offended him
1650
01:26:52,685 --> 01:26:57,255
that Gretchen Carlson
had, uh, had sued him.
1651
01:26:57,299 --> 01:26:59,997
"This no-good, just sort
of a talentless reporter."
1652
01:27:00,258 --> 01:27:03,218
He said that really the lawsuit
1653
01:27:03,261 --> 01:27:05,568
wasn't about the money.
1654
01:27:05,611 --> 01:27:07,918
It was about getting attention.
1655
01:27:08,223 --> 01:27:11,878
And that she was desperate
to be on television.
1656
01:27:11,922 --> 01:27:15,012
And without being on television,
she had no reason to live.
1657
01:27:15,273 --> 01:27:18,363
And I said, "You know,
in the end, all these cases
1658
01:27:18,407 --> 01:27:21,975
usually settle because it's not
worth the negative publicity
1659
01:27:22,019 --> 01:27:23,760
and it's not worth
the career impact."
1660
01:27:24,021 --> 01:27:26,893
And when I said that, Beth Ailes
jumped out of her chair
1661
01:27:26,937 --> 01:27:29,896
furious, and she said,
with this look in her eyes,
1662
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:33,030
"We will never ever
settle this case."
1663
01:27:33,813 --> 01:27:35,380
And she looked at us and said,
1664
01:27:35,424 --> 01:27:37,252
"You need
to understand something.
1665
01:27:37,295 --> 01:27:40,472
Roger is more important
than America."
1666
01:27:41,081 --> 01:27:42,909
I looked at Warren
and I looked at his pad
1667
01:27:42,953 --> 01:27:45,390
'cause Warren was taking notes,
and Warren said,
1668
01:27:45,434 --> 01:27:49,307
"I'm writing it down. Roger is
more important than America."
1669
01:27:54,791 --> 01:27:56,575
Shepard Smith:
Fox News chairman, Roger Ailes,
1670
01:27:56,793 --> 01:27:59,186
is responding
to a lawsuit filed by lawyers
1671
01:27:59,230 --> 01:28:00,753
for Gretchen Carlson
1672
01:28:00,797 --> 01:28:04,279
calling her accusations or
allegations false and offensive.
1673
01:28:04,453 --> 01:28:08,761
They said all statements will
be run through Irena Briganti,
1674
01:28:09,066 --> 01:28:11,590
the head of public relations
for Fox,
1675
01:28:11,634 --> 01:28:14,680
who he told us
was a stone killer.
1676
01:28:15,159 --> 01:28:17,335
And she was intensely focused
1677
01:28:17,379 --> 01:28:19,946
on getting
as many of the highest profile
1678
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:23,210
and frankly,
best-looking women on Fox
1679
01:28:23,254 --> 01:28:25,648
to say that indeed
he was not a harasser.
1680
01:28:25,909 --> 01:28:27,867
And Irena was really proud
that in one day
1681
01:28:27,911 --> 01:28:30,435
she had been able to enlist
22 people to say--
1682
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:32,263
- "We're up to 22."
- Right.
1683
01:28:32,307 --> 01:28:33,525
"We're up to 22, Roger."
1684
01:28:34,396 --> 01:28:37,573
female ABC anchor:
Several female Fox anchors
are coming to his defense
1685
01:28:37,616 --> 01:28:39,662
including Maria Bartiromo
who says:
1686
01:28:45,145 --> 01:28:48,192
Donald Trump:
It's very sad because
he's a very good person.
1687
01:28:48,584 --> 01:28:52,327
And I can tell you that some
of the women complaining
1688
01:28:52,370 --> 01:28:54,024
I-I know how much
he's helped them.
1689
01:28:55,417 --> 01:28:58,811
Sarah Ellison:
Beth called Kimberly Guilfoyle
who was one of the anchors
1690
01:28:58,855 --> 01:29:00,987
at something like 6:30
in the morning
1691
01:29:01,031 --> 01:29:02,815
the day
after the suit was filed.
1692
01:29:03,207 --> 01:29:05,818
The idea was to get Kimberly
1693
01:29:06,428 --> 01:29:10,736
to read a statement
of support on air
1694
01:29:10,954 --> 01:29:13,739
while a group of Fox News women
1695
01:29:13,957 --> 01:29:17,830
walked in behind her and formed
a sort of semi-circle behind her
1696
01:29:17,874 --> 01:29:20,180
as a show of support for him.
1697
01:29:21,225 --> 01:29:24,489
Karen Kessler:
They had a whole strategy,
and the more we pushed back
1698
01:29:24,533 --> 01:29:27,536
Irena would say things like,
"Stand down!"
1699
01:29:29,494 --> 01:29:32,671
So here's the deal. If somebody
is paying you a wage,
1700
01:29:32,715 --> 01:29:35,282
you owe that person
or company allegiance.
1701
01:29:35,326 --> 01:29:37,197
If you don't like what's
happening in the workplace,
1702
01:29:37,241 --> 01:29:39,504
go to Human Resources or leave.
1703
01:29:39,548 --> 01:29:41,985
But don't run down the concern
that supports you
1704
01:29:42,028 --> 01:29:43,856
by trying to undermine it.
1705
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:46,381
Factor tip of the day,
loyalty is good.
1706
01:29:47,904 --> 01:29:49,384
reporter:
Mr. Ailes...
1707
01:29:49,427 --> 01:29:51,037
[indistinct chatter]
1708
01:29:51,429 --> 01:29:53,692
male CNN anchor:
Fox is Ailes' fiefdom.
1709
01:29:53,736 --> 01:29:56,478
But even he has a boss,
three bosses actually.
1710
01:29:56,521 --> 01:29:58,393
Rupert Murdoch
and his two sons.
1711
01:29:58,436 --> 01:30:00,743
And the Murdochs
are now involved.
1712
01:30:03,485 --> 01:30:05,922
Sarah Ellison:
Rupert had always
protected Roger.
1713
01:30:06,618 --> 01:30:09,404
But this time it was different
because Rupert's sons
1714
01:30:09,447 --> 01:30:12,885
James and Lachlan Murdoch,
who had never liked Roger,
1715
01:30:12,929 --> 01:30:14,887
Roger never liked them,
1716
01:30:14,931 --> 01:30:17,542
had decided to hire
an outside law firm
1717
01:30:17,586 --> 01:30:20,545
to investigate the claims
against Roger.
1718
01:30:23,026 --> 01:30:24,897
Karen Kessler:
He was so dismissive.
1719
01:30:25,855 --> 01:30:29,467
He really believed that as
annoying as these two kids were
1720
01:30:29,946 --> 01:30:31,904
you know,
he could flick them off.
1721
01:30:31,948 --> 01:30:34,429
And that's really why
he had to defend this lawsuit
1722
01:30:34,472 --> 01:30:36,692
so that they didn't use this
as the weapon
1723
01:30:36,735 --> 01:30:38,128
that they were looking for.
1724
01:30:40,609 --> 01:30:43,438
He told us
that most of the talent at Fox
1725
01:30:43,481 --> 01:30:46,484
had in their contract
that they had the right to walk
1726
01:30:46,528 --> 01:30:48,094
if anything were to happen
to him
1727
01:30:48,138 --> 01:30:50,227
and he were to have to leave.
1728
01:30:50,270 --> 01:30:52,751
And so he was really intent
on showing
1729
01:30:52,795 --> 01:30:56,842
that almost every notable name
on Fox was gonna leave with him.
1730
01:30:57,234 --> 01:30:59,454
Who with any kind
of fiduciary responsibility
1731
01:30:59,497 --> 01:31:00,933
allows that to happen?
1732
01:31:01,847 --> 01:31:05,764
That if the CEO leaves,
everyone else can leave?
1733
01:31:05,808 --> 01:31:08,114
All the key players can leave
and destroy the network?
1734
01:31:08,332 --> 01:31:09,812
Wow. That's... Wow!
1735
01:31:10,552 --> 01:31:13,119
I think that there was a part
of Roger
1736
01:31:13,468 --> 01:31:17,123
that wanted to be remembered
as the guy who built Fox
1737
01:31:17,167 --> 01:31:19,778
and as soon as he left,
the whole thing fell apart.
1738
01:31:20,997 --> 01:31:22,651
"Bill O'Reilly's gonna leave
if I leave.
1739
01:31:22,955 --> 01:31:24,653
Greta Van Susteren's gonna leave
if I leave.
1740
01:31:24,957 --> 01:31:26,785
Jeanine.."
He went through the whole list.
1741
01:31:26,829 --> 01:31:28,221
But when are we gonna
get Megyn?
1742
01:31:28,265 --> 01:31:29,962
When are we... Right.
What's with Megyn?
1743
01:31:30,006 --> 01:31:32,487
And Irena said, "We'll have
to discuss that offline."
1744
01:31:32,835 --> 01:31:35,141
- Right.
- And Beth was livid.
1745
01:31:35,185 --> 01:31:37,666
Livid that the answer
wasn't an immediate yes.
1746
01:31:39,276 --> 01:31:41,104
female NBC anchor:
Now, another Fox News anchor
1747
01:31:41,147 --> 01:31:43,498
Megyn Kelly,
has entered the controversy.
1748
01:31:43,541 --> 01:31:46,413
female anchor #7:
Kelly told investigators
Ailes harassed her
1749
01:31:46,457 --> 01:31:49,155
when she was a young
correspondent in Washington.
1750
01:31:49,373 --> 01:31:52,811
It was explicit,
quid pro quo sexual harassment
1751
01:31:52,855 --> 01:31:55,248
which was, you know,
"Basically, you sleep with me
1752
01:31:55,292 --> 01:31:56,554
and I'll give you a promotion."
1753
01:31:56,598 --> 01:31:58,425
Uh, but I had
to shove him off of me.
1754
01:31:58,469 --> 01:32:00,210
And he came back
and I shoved him again.
1755
01:32:00,471 --> 01:32:01,646
And he came back a third time.
1756
01:32:01,690 --> 01:32:03,300
When I shoved him off
the third time,
1757
01:32:03,343 --> 01:32:05,389
he asked me
when my contract was up.
1758
01:32:06,259 --> 01:32:09,175
Congratulations, Roger,
you've finally achieved
1759
01:32:09,219 --> 01:32:10,481
your ultimate fantasy.
1760
01:32:10,699 --> 01:32:13,179
Getting fucked
by two gorgeous employees
1761
01:32:13,223 --> 01:32:14,485
at the same time.
1762
01:32:14,703 --> 01:32:15,878
[audience cheering]
1763
01:32:17,923 --> 01:32:20,535
Sarah Ellison:
Gretchen had started
a hashtag Stand With Gretchen.
1764
01:32:21,318 --> 01:32:23,668
And more accusations
kept coming out.
1765
01:32:23,712 --> 01:32:25,540
female anchor #8:
Half a dozen additional women
1766
01:32:25,583 --> 01:32:27,193
claiming the Fox News chairman
1767
01:32:27,237 --> 01:32:29,413
sexually harassed them
years ago.
1768
01:32:29,935 --> 01:32:31,720
Sarah Ellison:
And the dam broke.
1769
01:32:32,068 --> 01:32:35,245
People who had been
afraid of him for decades
1770
01:32:35,724 --> 01:32:38,509
finally felt a little bit
more emboldened
1771
01:32:38,553 --> 01:32:41,381
to actually talk about him.
1772
01:32:46,865 --> 01:32:49,564
Marsha Callahan:
When Gretchen came forward
1773
01:32:49,868 --> 01:32:52,479
I said, "I have to support
this woman.
1774
01:32:52,523 --> 01:32:54,090
I have to let her know...
1775
01:32:55,221 --> 01:32:57,789
that this has happened
for 50 years with this man.
1776
01:32:58,094 --> 01:33:01,576
And I'm a little nobody,
but I... it happened to me
1777
01:33:01,793 --> 01:33:03,273
and I want you to know that."
1778
01:33:07,582 --> 01:33:09,235
I was just beginning to model
1779
01:33:09,279 --> 01:33:11,673
and I got a call
fromThe Mike Douglas Show
1780
01:33:11,716 --> 01:33:14,589
that they wanted me
to come down and audition.
1781
01:33:14,980 --> 01:33:17,940
And then I had a call
from Roger Ailes himself
1782
01:33:18,201 --> 01:33:21,726
telling me that he wanted me
to wear a garter belt
1783
01:33:21,944 --> 01:33:23,772
and stockings and high heels.
1784
01:33:23,989 --> 01:33:25,469
And I thought
it was a little odd,
1785
01:33:25,643 --> 01:33:28,080
but I was new in this career
1786
01:33:28,124 --> 01:33:30,256
so I put them on
and went to the audition.
1787
01:33:33,216 --> 01:33:36,219
And when I got there,
he took me in his office
1788
01:33:36,262 --> 01:33:38,787
closed the door and he said,
1789
01:33:39,135 --> 01:33:41,137
"I want you
to show me your legs."
1790
01:33:41,659 --> 01:33:45,271
And I said, "Well,
w-why would you want me to...
1791
01:33:45,315 --> 01:33:46,882
why would you want me
to do that?"
1792
01:33:46,925 --> 01:33:49,449
And he said, "No, no, no.
If your legs look good
1793
01:33:49,493 --> 01:33:50,799
in the stockings
and a garter belt
1794
01:33:50,842 --> 01:33:52,322
I know you have great legs."
1795
01:33:52,670 --> 01:33:54,280
[camera clicking]
1796
01:33:54,585 --> 01:33:57,936
Then he asked me to sit
on the sofa, pull my skirt up,
1797
01:33:57,980 --> 01:34:00,983
stand in different poses,
pull my skirt up,
1798
01:34:01,287 --> 01:34:03,507
while he was taking
Polaroids of me.
1799
01:34:07,163 --> 01:34:10,732
And then he said that
he would put me on the show,
1800
01:34:10,775 --> 01:34:12,821
but I had to go to bed with him.
1801
01:34:13,038 --> 01:34:15,475
And I just said kind of off-hand
1802
01:34:15,693 --> 01:34:17,782
"Yeah, right, you and who else?"
1803
01:34:17,826 --> 01:34:19,784
And he just said, "Just me
1804
01:34:19,828 --> 01:34:22,657
and a few
of my preferred friends."
1805
01:34:25,877 --> 01:34:28,314
He was treating me
like I was a whore.
1806
01:34:28,619 --> 01:34:30,186
That's how I felt.
1807
01:34:30,708 --> 01:34:33,189
And at that point, I just said
1808
01:34:34,190 --> 01:34:37,584
"No. No. I-I-I can't do that."
1809
01:34:37,628 --> 01:34:40,979
And he said, "No, pretty girls
like you are a dime a dozen."
1810
01:34:41,719 --> 01:34:44,635
And that's when I ended
the interview and left.
1811
01:34:47,333 --> 01:34:50,032
And it never entered my head
to tell anybody
1812
01:34:50,510 --> 01:34:52,687
until I h-heard about Gretchen.
1813
01:34:54,863 --> 01:34:56,647
My son said to me, "Mom...
1814
01:34:58,867 --> 01:34:59,998
be brave.
1815
01:35:01,565 --> 01:35:04,002
Thank you for standing up
for all the women...
1816
01:35:06,526 --> 01:35:07,876
that go through this."
1817
01:35:12,576 --> 01:35:14,578
That just really
touched me that...
1818
01:35:15,100 --> 01:35:16,885
that he was proud
that I was doing it.
1819
01:35:32,901 --> 01:35:34,903
I think the twist
in the knife for Roger
1820
01:35:34,946 --> 01:35:37,253
is when he realizes
that Rupert isn't behind him
1821
01:35:37,732 --> 01:35:39,211
and that he is gonna have to go.
1822
01:35:40,299 --> 01:35:42,562
But there's still
muscle memory for Roger
1823
01:35:42,606 --> 01:35:44,739
so he's still showing up
for work.
1824
01:35:46,741 --> 01:35:48,743
So he's on his way
to the office
1825
01:35:49,265 --> 01:35:52,703
and his driver gets a call
from the head of security.
1826
01:35:53,138 --> 01:35:56,402
He says, "Please drive him
around the block a few times."
1827
01:35:59,536 --> 01:36:01,233
So there's this absurd scene
1828
01:36:01,538 --> 01:36:03,888
where his driver
drives him around
1829
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:08,284
and then gets word that he's
been locked out of the building.
1830
01:36:11,635 --> 01:36:13,419
It's such as ignominious end
1831
01:36:13,463 --> 01:36:16,422
to not even be able to come in
and collect your things
1832
01:36:16,466 --> 01:36:18,424
from the place
that you've created.
1833
01:36:20,905 --> 01:36:23,429
They took him out
like a drone strike.
1834
01:36:23,473 --> 01:36:27,477
They just wanted
to remove him from the equation.
1835
01:36:35,398 --> 01:36:37,704
Richard Shea:
Once there was that cascade
of allegations
1836
01:36:37,748 --> 01:36:39,445
and once Rupert Murdoch
1837
01:36:39,489 --> 01:36:42,666
obviously made the decision
to fire him, that was it.
1838
01:36:43,058 --> 01:36:44,973
You didn't see him anymore.
They were gone. They were done.
1839
01:36:48,324 --> 01:36:51,109
I don't think he wanted to show
his face around town which is...
1840
01:36:51,588 --> 01:36:53,851
He must have cared about
his reputation, obviously
1841
01:36:54,156 --> 01:36:55,331
and it was..
1842
01:36:56,375 --> 01:36:58,334
That sort of thing
is not good for your reputation.
1843
01:37:01,206 --> 01:37:04,993
I will admit, too, as woman
after woman came forward,
1844
01:37:05,036 --> 01:37:07,125
although I felt sorry
for the women,
1845
01:37:07,169 --> 01:37:09,693
at the same time,
I was like, "He's done."
1846
01:37:09,911 --> 01:37:11,869
It finally happened,
he's done.
1847
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,569
And I was happy that
it happened while he was alive.
1848
01:37:16,613 --> 01:37:18,484
female anchor #9:
Fox settled with Carlson
1849
01:37:18,528 --> 01:37:21,183
agreeing to pay her
a staggering 20 million...
1850
01:37:21,226 --> 01:37:22,184
Karen Kessler:
Three weeks later,
1851
01:37:22,967 --> 01:37:26,144
Gretchen got her settlement,
and 14 more women came forward
1852
01:37:26,188 --> 01:37:27,842
and said, "What about me?
1853
01:37:27,885 --> 01:37:29,800
I've got a story
that's not very different."
1854
01:37:29,844 --> 01:37:31,933
And it wasn't just confined
to Roger Ailes.
1855
01:37:31,976 --> 01:37:35,240
"A sex-fueled
Playboy Mansion-like cult."
1856
01:37:35,632 --> 01:37:38,156
That's how former hosts
describe the Fox News Channel.
1857
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,985
We were abused. We were...
1858
01:37:41,203 --> 01:37:44,206
Our careers w-were destroyed
and our lives were destroyed.
1859
01:37:44,467 --> 01:37:47,122
female anchor #10:
The case gets uglier
and uglier by the day.
1860
01:37:47,165 --> 01:37:49,994
female anchor #11:
Six more women now claim
Ailes sexually harassed them.
1861
01:37:50,212 --> 01:37:53,041
female anchor #12:
In shocking accounts
reported byNew York Magazine,
1862
01:37:53,084 --> 01:37:55,347
half a dozen additional women
claiming the...
1863
01:37:55,391 --> 01:37:57,349
Laura Luhn: I didn't realize
the extent to which
1864
01:37:57,697 --> 01:37:59,656
Roger really was..
1865
01:38:00,744 --> 01:38:01,876
a predator.
1866
01:38:02,615 --> 01:38:05,836
He would have me
get down on my knees
1867
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,318
and tell me,
"You know what you are, Laura?
1868
01:38:09,361 --> 01:38:13,017
You're my whore,
you're my sex slave."
1869
01:38:13,061 --> 01:38:15,367
On Fox News, Megyn Kelly
has a new book coming out.
1870
01:38:15,411 --> 01:38:18,066
- Have you read it?
- No. Have not read it, though--
1871
01:38:18,109 --> 01:38:19,719
- You're in it.
- Um..
1872
01:38:19,981 --> 01:38:21,286
[all laughing]
1873
01:38:21,765 --> 01:38:24,159
Yeah, I'm not that interested
in this, okay?
1874
01:38:24,202 --> 01:38:28,293
I'm not interested in making
my network look bad at all.
1875
01:38:28,685 --> 01:38:31,514
That doesn't interest me
one bit.
1876
01:38:32,123 --> 01:38:35,866
Nobody could have predicted how
fast the house of cards fell.
1877
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:39,174
all: Fire Bill O'Reilly.
Fire Bill O'Reilly.
1878
01:38:39,217 --> 01:38:40,784
female anchor #13:
Bill O'Reilly settled
1879
01:38:41,002 --> 01:38:46,442
a sexual harassment claim to
the tune of 32 million dollars.
1880
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:49,575
Thirty-two million dollars,
which is around the same amount
1881
01:38:49,619 --> 01:38:51,969
O.J. Simpson had to pay
the Goldman family
1882
01:38:52,013 --> 01:38:55,059
in a civil lawsuit
for murdering two people.
1883
01:38:55,755 --> 01:38:56,931
Alisyn Camerota:
Little did we know
1884
01:38:56,974 --> 01:38:58,584
it'd have this cascading effect,
1885
01:38:59,455 --> 01:39:02,284
and that in the space
of one year,
1886
01:39:02,545 --> 01:39:04,460
Roger would be ousted,
1887
01:39:04,721 --> 01:39:06,941
that Bill O'Reilly
would be ousted.
1888
01:39:06,984 --> 01:39:11,075
This was a hit job, a political
and financial hit job
1889
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:13,643
to bring down Fox News and me.
1890
01:39:14,557 --> 01:39:16,951
Alexis: So does that mean
things have changed at Fox?
1891
01:39:18,996 --> 01:39:20,171
I don't know.
1892
01:39:22,652 --> 01:39:23,696
I don't know.
1893
01:39:28,788 --> 01:39:33,271
How harmful has
the whole raft of allegations
1894
01:39:33,315 --> 01:39:36,318
about sexual harassment at
Fox News been for the business?
1895
01:40:12,702 --> 01:40:15,400
Tamara Holder:
I think Rupert Murdoch
is a disgusting human being.
1896
01:40:16,271 --> 01:40:20,362
He allowed so many abuses
to take place.
1897
01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:25,497
And when Rupert
went on television and said
1898
01:40:25,845 --> 01:40:28,457
that what was going on
at Fox News
1899
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:32,374
was flirting, nonsense,
1900
01:40:32,635 --> 01:40:34,245
only Roger Ailes,
1901
01:40:35,377 --> 01:40:38,249
I knew that I had to respond.
1902
01:40:38,554 --> 01:40:41,948
Hundreds of millions of dollars
has gone to settling cases
1903
01:40:41,992 --> 01:40:45,343
with women
over and over and over again,
1904
01:40:45,387 --> 01:40:47,519
and we've been told
that we have to shut up.
1905
01:40:47,563 --> 01:40:49,173
- True.
- We just wanted to work.
1906
01:40:49,217 --> 01:40:52,220
That's all we've ever
wanted to do was work.
1907
01:40:52,568 --> 01:40:54,091
That is not nonsense.
1908
01:40:54,657 --> 01:40:56,398
This is people's lives.
1909
01:40:56,746 --> 01:40:58,530
There have been
plenty of settlements
1910
01:40:58,574 --> 01:41:00,402
that none of us know about
1911
01:41:00,706 --> 01:41:02,708
and women
who've disappeared from there
1912
01:41:02,752 --> 01:41:05,842
because they're afraid
to say anything publicly.
1913
01:41:06,451 --> 01:41:08,236
That's how big this was.
1914
01:41:22,554 --> 01:41:26,254
As more and more stories have
come forth since Roger Ailes
1915
01:41:26,471 --> 01:41:29,648
you begin to realize
that people like Roger Ailes
1916
01:41:29,692 --> 01:41:31,215
can't get away
with all this stuff,
1917
01:41:31,476 --> 01:41:33,870
if there aren't a circle
of people around them
1918
01:41:33,913 --> 01:41:36,220
that make them look better
than they are,
1919
01:41:36,264 --> 01:41:39,441
that protect them legally,
that schedule those meetings,
1920
01:41:39,484 --> 01:41:43,053
that get rid of people that
are problems, and that's not us.
1921
01:41:43,097 --> 01:41:46,404
And that's why
this is the first time publicly
1922
01:41:46,448 --> 01:41:48,711
we've really spoken about it
at all.
1923
01:41:48,754 --> 01:41:52,106
We really don't talk
about our clients,
1924
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:54,151
and our clients
expect us not to.
1925
01:41:54,456 --> 01:41:56,893
But in this case, not only
did we not have a contract,
1926
01:41:57,459 --> 01:41:59,200
not only did we not have an NDA,
1927
01:41:59,243 --> 01:42:01,593
not only did we not have any
legal reasons why we couldn't--
1928
01:42:01,637 --> 01:42:03,421
- Or get paid.
- Or get paid,
1929
01:42:03,639 --> 01:42:05,641
but it's wrong. It's so wrong.
1930
01:42:05,815 --> 01:42:07,295
And I can't be part of that.
1931
01:42:07,338 --> 01:42:09,123
Not only am I not
gonna be a part of that,
1932
01:42:09,340 --> 01:42:12,213
I'm gonna expose it
so that these men one day
1933
01:42:12,256 --> 01:42:14,867
can get some of what
they really deserve,
1934
01:42:14,911 --> 01:42:17,479
which is that there's justice
for their victims.
1935
01:42:33,190 --> 01:42:36,193
David Shuster:
Roger died within a year
of leaving Fox News.
1936
01:42:38,674 --> 01:42:41,851
Because Fox News was
such a big part of Roger Ailes
1937
01:42:42,417 --> 01:42:43,983
that when it all fell apart
1938
01:42:44,027 --> 01:42:45,507
there was nothing left
for Roger.
1939
01:42:46,508 --> 01:42:48,162
That's who he was.
1940
01:42:49,337 --> 01:42:50,773
He was...
1941
01:42:51,687 --> 01:42:52,992
chairman of Fox.
1942
01:43:00,130 --> 01:43:01,871
Our former CEO and chairman,
1943
01:43:02,263 --> 01:43:04,221
husband to Beth, father of Zach
1944
01:43:05,527 --> 01:43:08,182
fell at his home in Florida
and did not survive.
1945
01:43:10,314 --> 01:43:12,186
Roger Ailes was a patriot.
1946
01:43:12,403 --> 01:43:14,666
He was the biggest personality
and the most influential
1947
01:43:14,710 --> 01:43:17,016
and powerful man
I ever personally encountered.
1948
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:18,888
I loved him.
1949
01:43:19,236 --> 01:43:20,846
Roger gave
every single one of us
1950
01:43:20,890 --> 01:43:22,544
on this couch an opportunity.
1951
01:43:22,587 --> 01:43:24,850
He put food on our table,
and, you know,
1952
01:43:25,416 --> 01:43:28,550
he went out in such a sad way.
But who doesn't have sins?
1953
01:43:28,854 --> 01:43:31,901
He will be missed on this
channel. He will be missed.
1954
01:43:33,294 --> 01:43:35,209
[sniffles]
1955
01:43:36,601 --> 01:43:39,213
[firecrackers crackling]
1956
01:43:46,045 --> 01:43:50,311
Alisyn Camerota:
There's no denying,
he was a powerful
1957
01:43:50,354 --> 01:43:53,401
influential person
who changed the country.
1958
01:43:56,317 --> 01:43:58,884
Glenn Meehan:
Roger knew what fear could do.
1959
01:43:58,928 --> 01:44:01,278
Roger knew
what paranoia could do
1960
01:44:01,844 --> 01:44:03,367
uh, to the audience.
1961
01:44:04,063 --> 01:44:05,587
You know, they kept comin' back.
1962
01:44:05,848 --> 01:44:07,502
[firecrackers crackling]
1963
01:44:07,545 --> 01:44:09,243
Felycia Sugarman:
The big disappointment was that
1964
01:44:09,286 --> 01:44:12,594
he used his talent
and his media savvy
1965
01:44:12,637 --> 01:44:15,292
to build something
that drove a wedge.
1966
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:18,252
That's, to me,
that's pretty devastating.
1967
01:44:25,041 --> 01:44:27,086
Alisyn Camerota:
I thought that things
would be more different
1968
01:44:27,130 --> 01:44:28,392
after he was gone.
1969
01:44:28,436 --> 01:44:31,961
But he casts such a long shadow
1970
01:44:32,657 --> 01:44:36,748
that his vision
can actually go on without him.
1971
01:44:40,883 --> 01:44:43,407
[crowd cheering]
1972
01:44:52,764 --> 01:44:54,592
Brian Kilmeade:
Now, there is a report
out there, guys
1973
01:44:54,636 --> 01:44:56,290
that the president
of the United States
1974
01:44:56,333 --> 01:44:58,596
watches us at 7 a.m.
Eastern Time.
1975
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:00,598
So let's take a look
at the White House right now.
1976
01:45:00,642 --> 01:45:02,426
If-if the president of the
United States is actually
1977
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:05,647
watching, blink the lights
on and off, okay?
1978
01:45:07,605 --> 01:45:09,303
[all laughing]
1979
01:45:09,564 --> 01:45:12,001
- Oh, my goodness!
- That's awesome.
1980
01:45:13,307 --> 01:45:14,917
♪ Where
1981
01:45:17,485 --> 01:45:19,704
♪ Do we go from here?
1982
01:45:23,795 --> 01:45:25,928
♪ Where
1983
01:45:28,147 --> 01:45:30,454
♪ Do we go from here?
1984
01:45:40,377 --> 01:45:41,726
♪ Baby
1985
01:45:42,814 --> 01:45:44,642
♪ I know you love me
1986
01:45:45,643 --> 01:45:47,341
♪ Make me stronger
1987
01:45:47,906 --> 01:45:49,865
♪ Don't make me weaker ♪
1988
01:45:51,127 --> 01:45:52,520
♪ Give me that candy
1989
01:45:53,347 --> 01:45:55,000
♪ Play with my mind
1990
01:45:55,958 --> 01:45:57,525
♪ You're bringin' me down
1991
01:45:58,134 --> 01:46:00,354
♪ And not makin' me strong ♪
1992
01:46:00,876 --> 01:46:03,531
♪ I know that you want ♪
1993
01:46:05,881 --> 01:46:07,404
♪ Baby
1994
01:46:08,449 --> 01:46:10,712
♪ And I won't be too long
1995
01:46:11,408 --> 01:46:13,236
♪ Where
1996
01:46:15,717 --> 01:46:17,762
♪ Do we go from here?
1997
01:46:18,763 --> 01:46:20,330
♪ Oh
1998
01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:24,856
♪ Where
1999
01:46:25,988 --> 01:46:27,772
♪ Do we go from here?
2000
01:46:29,252 --> 01:46:31,733
♪ Oh
2001
01:46:34,910 --> 01:46:36,781
♪ Gotta make that change
2002
01:46:38,566 --> 01:46:41,090
♪ We gotta
all make that change ♪
2003
01:46:44,572 --> 01:46:46,269
♪ My brothers and my sisters
2004
01:46:47,488 --> 01:46:49,359
♪ It's time to make this world
2005
01:46:49,794 --> 01:46:51,100
♪ A brighter place ♪
2006
01:46:51,753 --> 01:46:53,363
♪ For the generation to come ♪
2007
01:46:54,582 --> 01:46:56,758
♪ Can find love and peace
2008
01:46:57,454 --> 01:46:59,064
♪ What we left them
2009
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:02,546
♪ So I'm gonna tell you
over and over again ♪
2010
01:47:04,243 --> 01:47:06,724
♪ Brothers, sisters
2011
01:47:08,030 --> 01:47:09,248
♪ Listen to me
2012
01:47:09,858 --> 01:47:11,120
♪ From the heart
2013
01:47:12,077 --> 01:47:13,601
♪ Come on
2014
01:47:14,645 --> 01:47:16,125
♪ Oh
2015
01:47:18,083 --> 01:47:19,911
♪ Come on
2016
01:47:19,955 --> 01:47:21,609
♪ Ah
2017
01:47:22,610 --> 01:47:24,786
♪ Ooh
2018
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,960
♪ Oh where? ♪
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