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but
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you know miss your father it's
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surprising how few people seem to
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remember him
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those who do say that he wasn't a
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monster more in the mould of a hydric
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sort of an ikemen but they also endured
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he inspired terror
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I really Campari and soda for mr. Van
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Dyke and coffee for me when you come to
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ask them what was casta like
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vade uncertain what is it better this is
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a long time ago nobody cares
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he's dead and gone the whole Nazi
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business is dead ago I wonder
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anyway that's what the program is about
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we'll see why are you after Kessler it
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makes good copy I'll do it for money so
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I do it better than people to do it for
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a job don't you upset people routing
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about like this is your father let me
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tell you something public opinion just
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doesn't matter ignore it it goes away I
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learned that from the Nazis do you mind
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if we go to have a look at the house
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before we get to your turn course not
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hello I'm Adam Dunn good morning madam
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can we go to the hotel first yes
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certainly if God is weak thank you
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if you'll excuse me mr. I have to make
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someone then get back to their tape of
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course I'll see you in the studios
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it's a beautiful square lime cement okay
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six years since my mother brought me
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here
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we wanna be stay tuned two weeks then
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she was taking you again
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which was your um parents house that's
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one
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my mother and I came to look at it every
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day don't you wish it is yours
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no truly
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I wouldn't want to leave Israel
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permanently I'm sorry I'm late god I've
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been talking with Ferrari he's the one
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who runs the Candide over there I told
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you bunny he was the leader of lifeline
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during the war they even think so now
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they were the people who got over a
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thousand Allied air crew out and back to
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the United Kingdom you have to respect
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that
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the bit that interests me is that
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Kessler used to eat regularly in his
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restaurant they could observe him more
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closely than most yeah can you identify
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him you think so but he's old now we'll
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see come along to my little
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identification parade you might even
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meet some interesting people you might
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even get some of the material you're
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looking just want to sit in the
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background no introduction oh by the way
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how did you get on with that financial
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investigation you promised to let me
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have anything you found out I said in
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exchange for it would give me let's
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exchange together shall we
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I can't tell you one thing his financial
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arrangements are not ordinary hair Dorf
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has some very peculiar anomalies in his
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banking if he is Kessler could explain a
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great deal
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good else miss Yvonne I cleanse it
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yes other for it I'll bear but uh
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don't you know me hell there
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money
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they told me they were trying to get you
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to come when you bought a lift to the
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fourth floor room 406 thank you thank
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you I had no idea we were to be together
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and how are you oh well well not so bad
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for an old man
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do you still have the cone deed oh yes I
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have six other restaurants candied is
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still my favorite I still live there
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can I come see the old place of course
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how long you staying
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just reading would you care to have
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dinner with me how very good of you
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birth to young all right
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but underneath it how do you do miss
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your father if you'd like to come along
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to the editing suite we can organize
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some refreshments have a little chat
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thank you
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this is a wonderful opportunity to see
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some very dear friends again yes you
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must have seen more of Kessler than the
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most civilians in Russells during the
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world yes I suppose we did he ate
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frequently at the canteen so Monsieur
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forty was saying it really is amazing
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but he never realized you were involved
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in life life
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may I introduce my assistant Ellen's own
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belt and my editor win Daniel
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mrs. Dunford miss your party I do please
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sit down I'd like you to have a looked a
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few bits of this rough assembly wind
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down to the Dorf interview with Lisbon
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Dorf industries came into existence like
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a theni
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well it grown one moment it was a bomb
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site no great time later there it was
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interesting though
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Dorf didn't put in an appearance until
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1950 what you're going to see now is
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part of an interview I managed to
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browbeat him into giving me bring up the
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son William please excellent facilities
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a little they don't fit is being said
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but your name is not actually Manfred or
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at all but that you are really Ludwick
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Kessler native of Berlin I think your
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pop your real name is good because now
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you were born belly
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I remember I was bowling balls
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I know of no don't we can you explain
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why there are no documents relating to
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Manfred or prior to 1947
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no no birth certificate no record of
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parents could you turn something you
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must understand that really buildings
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were destroyed in the bombing at the end
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of the Second World War
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thousands of dollars lost but there's no
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mystery
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your late wife was Belgian I think yeah
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she was
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do you try that you were in Belgium from
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the Low Countries during the occupation
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yes I do I saw my country sit there when
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will you and there's a lot more like
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that now what's your 40 do you recognize
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it off is he little bit Kessler he's
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difficult to be sure after all this time
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people change in your opinion I can't
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say the possibly missus Danford oh yes
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that man is kisser are you sure you have
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to be sure I'm quite sure there are some
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things one doesn't forget as soon as I
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heard his voice the hair stood up on the
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back of my neck great thank you very
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much now if you just like to go into the
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next room with Ellen here there's
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someone there I think you might like to
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meet I'll join you in a moment
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what do you mean that's two independent
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identifications to out to fine not good
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odds mind here I need to be sure than
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that if I'm to hand over a prosecution
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to the civil police I've dug up stuff
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that'll make your hair stand on end have
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a look at the rest of the program then
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I'll show you the bits I had to leave
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out probably to let me have a copy of
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your program to take back to bomb we'll
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be having some VHS copies made we'll see
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that the gentleman gets a copy with you
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see you too why haven't you been back to
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see us up well you know how to use
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another country another family have you
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haven't changed a bit all of you have
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you been happy do you like it yes yes
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it's been good I've got a 24 year old
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son now you know Michael his name is he
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wants to join the army like his father
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but Stephen said no there'll be plenty
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of time to talk of such things
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Hugo will be Danny
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oh there you didn't tell me was a
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surprise and that interview with Kessler
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it was Kessler you know there's yes
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that's what I said I wasn't sure I said
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I wasn't prepared to be definite
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in any event what does it matter oh here
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you are I'm glad to see you Lenny's
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looking after you shall we take our
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coffee and things around the table we're
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gonna have a chat mrs. Dunphy do please
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supply thank you we had some chocolate
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cake oh why did she want to speak to
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Hugo yes there's a Miss Rock wanting to
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see you her she do we know her no but
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she said she got a letter you sent her
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mother in Israel I say all right
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I stick her in the editing so we don't
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be on a minute could you send out to the
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fourth floor I'll meet her at the lift I
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won't ask what this is really a need yes
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of course you may as you probably know I
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do a regular TV program called in our
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time it tries to be investigative
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controversial looks into contemporary
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questions matters of public interest and
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so on now the program that is going out
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on Wednesday examines the whole question
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of Nazi war criminals which is coming to
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focus again in several countries we all
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try to forget the war I've been
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scratching around this subject for years
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there's a great deal more material than
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you've seen you wouldn't believe what
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still goes on in Europe and South
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America I kid you not
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Nazism exists today like a giant mafia
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throughout Germany in Europe I can't
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believe that you tuned into the program
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my friend to make your hair tell alright
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look I'll just get rid of this girl and
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I'll be right back please hello i'm hugo
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van Eyck I don't think we met I can give
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you a couple of minutes Michal luck hmm
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from Tel Aviv you wrote to my mother
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several weeks ago it was about the man
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Kessler well to be honest we wrote to
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many people who had possibly suffered
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due to this man oh I see yes we wrote a
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great many letters your letter did not
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say why you were inquiring but I found
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out you think Ezra did not die I'm sure
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he didn't but unfortunately I can't
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prove it
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I want to know it is important to me
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because you good mother Kessler send my
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mother and a family to the house ah
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have you got the Israeli file Ellen did
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you bother tell you that yes my mother
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survived you see he wanted their house
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what did you say her name was
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Michal luck he wanted their house
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neither gone place for his clerks to
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work him my family were Jewish so
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instead of just having my mother two
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brothers and my grandparents thrown out
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onto the street he sent them to Dachau
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was your mother the only one that
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survived I don't think she ever really
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left a huh what do you mean you know the
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old story she watched her baby brothers
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heads being smashed to the part by a
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guard
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she found that one of the bodies that
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she was loading into a furnace for
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better for father how old was your
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mother when she was taken 17 after her
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parents and brothers were all dead she
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managed to keep her life because she was
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young
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that's good Sara six of the guards for
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extra food see she died last March I
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buried her in the war cemetry outside
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Tel Aviv I found you letter among her
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pleas in a sanatorium what happens your
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father I never knew it I don't think my
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mother even knew his name
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she spent most of her life in their
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asylum in Tel Aviv for a short while she
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lived in a kibbutz
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at the time of the sweets operation
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that's when I was conceived why did she
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leave the kibbutz after she left da
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Holland came to Israel she was never
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truly Saint for more than a few weeks at
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a time while she was pregnant with me
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they had to send her back to the asylum
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she was still there when she died
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and I can't speak to you he doesn't oh
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excuse me
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I shan't be a moment but surely you
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don't fly oh you mean because of this I
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was flying yonkers eighty-eights for two
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years after this happened haha I was the
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original automatic pilot ha ha ha I come
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straight to the pint head director the
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bankers of the opinion that Talmud has
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been investigating your accounts can you
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be sure about this bankers are aware of
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woman of their pranks is being
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investigated it seldom happens to
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someone of your status here later
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I should there be a search credit where
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the news is obvious excuse me
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there's no means of checking the source
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this unwarranted intrusion into private
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affairs I have nothing to hide as you
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must know but I rather resent that it
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should happen
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dddd we were first alerted to the
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possibility by Becker and Seberg in
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London British Bankers a highly
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sensitive in statistics and we feel that
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all eight accounts with us both private
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and company accounts and the handles
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bank in Amsterdam
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I imagine that such an investigation
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could only happen through an official
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source in your case yes does it make
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that much difference no but if it's
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social we'll go for a drink actually
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it's official but not terribly so if you
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for me no but don't keep me in suspense
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it's your area Tom they want your West
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German pals to do a bit of sipping
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points oh yes have a look at this it's
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an interview stuff for the Belgian TV
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programme VRT centre to the BBC for
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comment and help with archive film
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investigative journalism that sort of
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thing I just had it slung at me by the
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jic anybody we know yes and no by which
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I mean we know the man didn't know he
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was possibly a war criminal in a Nazi
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rather embarrassing I didn't think
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anybody cared now this one's a bit
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different
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he's an industrialist bigwig gunman does
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a lot of business with his organization
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last year we gave permission for him to
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build a factory here in the UK
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it's all big egg on a FaceTime well what
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do you want me to do about it but I
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can't actually attach it if you follow
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me officially I mean can you push the
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bait into your friends court possibly
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uh-huh you want the jurors to put their
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house in order
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yeah something like that can you torture
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opposite number and get him organized
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while the water is still warm they seem
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to be on the fringes it is well I'll
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have a look at your stuff and see what I
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can do bye John
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bye mark
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I don't care what you say Maura I am
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being investigated well it's not the
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Bureau ID no I assure you I want to know
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if there's anything official about it
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are you sure you're being investigated
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I've been around long enough to know by
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instinct but there have been questions
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asked my bank have said they think it's
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happening question is who that question
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was to be followed by why and how much
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do they know has anyone got a reason no
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to my mind there's only one answer you
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remember the television interview I gave
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to that Belgian fine Ike well he thinks
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he's discovered my identity but he can't
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prove it I sensed at the time he wasn't
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gonna leave the matter there it's my
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guess that he's in touch with someone
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here in the bureau someone who's
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starting these inquiries and please
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check it out mouth
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and if it is one of your people get him
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off our back well that seems suspicious
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and your the interview they've got then
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it's up to you to see that it's done
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without suspicion isn't it Maura
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Mara is not the man he once was
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we might have to think of replacing him
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have your people in Brussels managed to
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do anything about that television
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interview no what about the man fan Ike
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it is not so easy with a well-known
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personality it might prove dangerous and
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when the program goes out it belt him
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tonight make sure that you are away
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somewhere and cannot be called for
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interviews and they can have no evidence
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that would satisfy a court in a couple
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of months or so no one will even
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remember the name of the program let
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alone your car today I just wish I knew
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exactly what this program was about I
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will try to find out before you leave
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for England in the meantime I think you
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should stay away from the factory
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you know as well as I do that the moment
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the spotlight is on email just disappear
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into the woodwork there is months of
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research sitting up there in those files
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these pools of tape when this program
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goes out tonight it's gonna knock them
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sideways and that means it's good for
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another two maybe three programs I'm
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gonna milk it and I'm not having anyone
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home you gonna my work understand you
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don't care what that man has done to my
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family and thousands like that girl love
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I care about making the best possible TV
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programs about subjects I think interest
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people personal Crusades against a bunch
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of geriatric Nazis just don't ring the
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cash register whim see if you can make
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him drop his eyes when I asked him about
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Brussels they are you still here
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just tell me where he lives look I had
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to take this program to be done I'll
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make a deal with you I'll give you
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Dolph's address in return you will give
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me any information you'll find a link
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them to Kessler right that's a deal the
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deal includes you giving me everything
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before I give you anything other than
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this basic info sheet on Dolph
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which Ln will photocopy for you now will
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you please get the hell out of here I
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have work to do thank you
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good evening colonel I'll tell father
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you're here thank you kind of rockets
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here
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did you succeed partially I managed to
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get hold of a VHS of the program
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material being transmitted in Belgium
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tonight France you wanna see it now yes
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yes of course we'll watch it in the
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study
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tonight in our time turns its attention
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to the subject of Nazi recent events in
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Europe have alerted us to the
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possibility the fascism may once again
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be rising in certain areas of Europe
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threatening the peace and stability of
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fell posing a menace to minority groups
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such as the Jews were already suffered
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so much during the last half century
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is it a question of certain elements
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among the young wishing to assert
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themselves under the guise of national
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socialism is it the latter-day writings
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of the old Nazi guard who survived the
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Damis of Hitler's Germany or is it a
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deeply felt and deeply concealed wish of
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those who once supported the regime's of
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Hitler Mussolini and Franco but the
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trials and obvious benefits brought by
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dictatorships outweigh the curtailing of
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human rights and feelings we will be
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speaking with at least one important
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German industrialist a well known figure
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throughout the West whose background may
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not be all that it seems just outside of
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Buenos Aires there is a Township called
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the Gasca where there's a small
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community of ex-nazis living in modest
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circumstances they speak German most of
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the town speaks German there we found
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carl gottlieb ground how chuff your
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engine possess s for a second in command
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of imagina concentration camp where he
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was known as the swinger a man whose
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vile practice it was to pick up little
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children and small babies by their
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ankles and dash their brains out against
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the nearest wall
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no I don't know otherwise the swinger I
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am standing now in front of the central
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office block of Dorf industries in
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Krefeld this multi-million multinational
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organization one of the largest
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manufacturers plastics pharmaceutical
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compounds and explosives in Europe today
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it is apparently owned and run by
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Manfred Dorf a highly respected citizen
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of West Germany with business interests
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in Switzerland Holland Austria and the
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UK but where did the money come from
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that built this industrial giant we're
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in point of fact did her dog come from
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in Belgium the older generation have
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good reason to remember a certain SS
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standartenfuhrer who is in charge of
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internal security throughout the
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occupation
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his name was kessler certain links
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certain coincidences made us decide to
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have a closer look at hair Dorf in
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Krefeld
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we were granted an interview during
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which I made it my business to ask some
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unexpected questions the door that has
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been said but your name is not actually
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Manfred Dorf at all but you are really
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Ludwig cassia native of Berlin I beg
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your pardon your real name is Murphy
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Kessler you were born in Berlin it's
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quite untrue
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I meant for Delilah's oh I know it low
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Tesla can you explain why there are no
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documents relating to Manfred dwarfed
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prior to 1947 no no birth certificate no
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record of parents you must understand
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that windy buildings were destroyed in
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the bombing of the end of the Second
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World War
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thousands of Boston there's no mystery
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[Music]
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we will be devoting future programs to
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the continuation of our search join us
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again next week for another program on
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the major issue in our time
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[Music]
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[Music]
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so he got away with it well what does it
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matter there are other things now that
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man was Kessler and he should be made to
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pay for what he did
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I wonder he was fighting for his country
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in his own way I didn't think any of us
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have the right to accuse him oh he had
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hundreds of people killed so did every
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general in the war on both sides are you
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saying urine bag and all that was a fuss
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what are we supposed to do oh don't
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let's quarrel about things long past now
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look I've been saving this for a very
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special occasion and this is it I'm sure
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you're going to enjoy this you haven't
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changed
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in her a perhaps it wasn't Kessler at
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all it was him I agree it was him may
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all be making a terrible mistake
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anyway what does it matter it's too late
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the time to punish is not over a quarter
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of a century after the event you just
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want to forget it I don't want to forget
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it it's just it's just that well oh
551
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don't ask me no I'll ask the survivors
552
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of Auschwitz and Belson I don't think
553
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,770
you'll find much inclination there to
554
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forgive and forget and I don't blame
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them I can never forget this has
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00:31:54,660 --> 00:32:01,310
depressed us all quite enough now let's
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enjoy this good Connie and Natalie money
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00:32:01,310 --> 00:32:12,540
to you and absent friends absent friend
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but surely you can lean on him a little
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00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:16,650
so we may enjoy public popularity but
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after all he's only a glorified
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00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:20,390
journalist this is too dangerous
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you know as well as I do Manfred the
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security of the organization must come
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first and what about the individual what
566
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about me I have taken years to build up
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00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:40,790
this my industries it's not a little
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00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,770
thing it is not a little Sam the
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organization has contributed to set it
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00:32:42,770 --> 00:32:50,660
up time II went to earth Manfred
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disappear for six months closed the
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house tonight go to the country to a
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00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:58,010
hotel your house anywhere no no I'm
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doing London at the trade conference
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00:32:58,010 --> 00:33:01,970
next week I shall go as planned and stay
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00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:07,100
here until I go and if the press pick it
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up it becomes official then you my dear
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hands would have to instruct a camera to
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get me out which you will do because I
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00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:15,170
have the key to the money box and if I
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have to go
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it comes with me with me heads and
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nobody will be able to touch it without
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my agreement
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that's not don't know are they alone
586
00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:58,240
she's let me set off one alarm and I had
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a word with Carl Gooden to give me a
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hand
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find out who it is I'll tell father Carl
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take them around the back of the house
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what are you doing here
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I came to see her dope legitimate
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businesses use the front door go and
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tell her doc we have an intruder put
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your hands on the table
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Hotel lista man
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me Carlock shoot
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[Music]
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00:35:42,890 --> 00:35:49,470
what's happening what's been going on
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00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,420
out there I think she was Jewish that
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00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:53,280
girl her name was Nick hell rack she had
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00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:55,350
an Israeli passport did you find out
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00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,440
anything else about her she got away in
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a Belgium registered car dxh something
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00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,280
or other that was all was it no I found
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00:36:00,570 --> 00:36:06,180
a room key on her from the hotel mr. man
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go on that's it I'm afraid I think this
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is for Maori to attend to
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mara Dorf
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00:36:30,279 --> 00:36:35,410
now listen carefully the tempt has just
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been made to get into my house by as an
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00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:41,319
Israeli girl exactly
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Israeli she was driving a car with a
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Belgian license spec beginning with the
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letters D X H I agree from Belgium it's
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00:36:46,869 --> 00:36:52,299
too much of a coincidence I'll expect
617
00:36:51,249 --> 00:36:58,749
your man in half an hour
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I suggest you do exactly that mr. Mallen
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hotel this is the one by the station is
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00:37:00,969 --> 00:37:07,749
it yes yes I think so
621
00:37:04,619 --> 00:37:10,719
then why are the Israelis after you
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00:37:07,749 --> 00:37:13,420
Manfred you didn't persecute the Jews as
623
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,519
far as I remember no I don't see that as
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00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:17,259
a motive no the fact that this girl has
625
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:22,299
come from Belgium implies a connection
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00:37:17,259 --> 00:37:26,049
with this fan Mike we really must do
627
00:37:22,299 --> 00:37:26,979
something about him it's the best lead
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00:37:26,049 --> 00:37:30,869
we've had Karl
629
00:37:26,979 --> 00:37:30,869
Kessler's a bigwig we know he is
630
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:38,090
we just lie down time and watch you lead
631
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:40,280
us straight to the camera division then
632
00:37:38,090 --> 00:37:49,460
we can break them once a fall that will
633
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:50,180
take more than you or I Richard Barr you
634
00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:53,900
have a call for me
635
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:58,390
ah what if you unscramble 38 will you
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00:37:53,900 --> 00:38:02,420
please Bauer
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00:37:58,390 --> 00:38:08,420
hello Tom richard has the van Eyck door
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00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:10,550
faint have you been transmitted yet is
639
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your department officially interested
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00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:17,240
enough to do anything about this why not
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let me call you back when I have some
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more information which may not be all
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that long no if you get an official go
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ahead you will let me know won't you
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bye
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Tom Deacon mi6 Lundy wanted to know if
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00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:50,780
I'd seen the BRT thing there's another
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00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:53,700
thing well my calls are being monitored
649
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you can tell it is impossible to know I
650
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can tell I don't feel it in my name mr.
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Bauer
652
00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:17,500
yes sir not at all sir
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I'll come along right away
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00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,680
that didn't take long
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you expect
656
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:42,070
well Richard
657
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Arijit I'll be watching your work in
658
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:04,670
this department with some interest your
659
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keen efficient well liked by your
660
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:07,790
colleagues and by those with whom we
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cooperate abroad
662
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:15,859
that's good excellent but sometimes we
663
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:18,320
allow our enthusiasm to persuade us to a
664
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course of action which without knowing
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it is not wished by our superiors I
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cigarette a lot of these they're not
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very heavily scented I have them made up
668
00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:36,340
in London they could no I don't very
669
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well
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now you've been pursuing a case of a man
671
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fred door may I ask why he was put
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forward in a television interview as
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being exercised war criminal Ludovic
674
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Kessler seemed to me a matter for
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investigation so I took the normal
676
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investigative steps unfortunately
677
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another section of our department is
678
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interested in this and in other matters
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00:41:02,619 --> 00:41:06,920
and they are extremely angry that a
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member of my staff should without
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consulting anyone a prejudice their case
682
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by ill-considered and precipitate action
683
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ID Richard you put me in a most
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00:41:16,339 --> 00:41:22,339
difficult position I'm sorry sir I
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00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:26,180
didn't know this man
686
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Dorf is Kessler it's very much a matter
687
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for this bureau surely we do not pursue
688
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war criminals long after the statute of
689
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:35,030
limitations has passed it's a waste of
690
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time and money I was merely trying to
691
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:40,970
keep the files up to date well I think
692
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in view of the inevitable press
693
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intervention that it might be as well if
694
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,589
you took your annual leave we'll make it
695
00:41:45,859 --> 00:41:50,570
up to two months that'll give it all
696
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:54,800
time to blow over save us a lot of
697
00:41:50,570 --> 00:41:56,680
embarrassment they all I don't really
698
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want to go on leave sir
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00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,720
My dear Richard I'm not suggesting
700
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you've got a move I'm ordering you to it
701
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,500
if the minister's get wind of this
702
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:07,119
they'll be all hell to pay and I don't
703
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:15,930
want to members of my stuff on the
704
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:15,930
carpet now do i from tomorrow right
705
00:42:30,930 --> 00:42:35,960
Belgian papers are full of it look
706
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,770
can you say where her doll face she has
707
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:50,600
gone to the country head Gulf of
708
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:52,700
Thailand off have got away I have no
709
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,020
idea when expose to a town I can give
710
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,770
you no more information do you don't
711
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:56,150
leave a message
712
00:42:54,770 --> 00:42:59,440
there's nothing I can so where is her
713
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:59,440
death no I'm sorry I'm
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[Music]
715
00:43:36,090 --> 00:43:44,770
thank you hello hello we have I've been
716
00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:49,150
to dogs house but they seem to have left
717
00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:52,390
the place is surrounded by reporters yes
718
00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:55,150
I'm certain I'm going to drive out to
719
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:56,920
the factory and check if he's not there
720
00:43:55,150 --> 00:43:59,410
we must assume he's gone out to the
721
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,940
country at rest at least it's worth a
722
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try right
723
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I'll pack our stuff and settle the bill
724
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see you in about half an hour half an
725
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:12,060
hour don't go to sleep bad
726
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I couldn't go not without saying goodbye
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00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:36,720
come back bring Stephen and they all sat
728
00:44:33,849 --> 00:44:36,720
next time we have plenty
729
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:44,100
they didn't seem to be much time
730
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,100
everything went so quickly
731
00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:53,359
your own direct tomorrow please head off
732
00:45:57,670 --> 00:46:03,560
mara have you seen the Belgian papers
733
00:46:00,530 --> 00:46:05,060
this morning and I should be extremely
734
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:09,260
upset of anything like that appeared an
735
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:11,410
Olive Press yes I think you'd better do
736
00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:20,480
that have you managed to trace that
737
00:46:11,410 --> 00:46:22,280
Israeli girl yet should I contact
738
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,310
Colonel looking for you no no I'll do
739
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,310
that
740
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:32,900
please let Franz go with you everywhere
741
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:34,310
now don't be so silly if anything
742
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:36,410
happened to you there's no one else who
743
00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:38,840
has access to the Swiss economist don't
744
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:39,910
you worry about that I'm not exactly new
745
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:47,870
to living under difficult conditions
746
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:49,300
you're an old man come around in the
747
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:52,130
Bekaa Laurel
748
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:53,870
they still hold Germany's destiny and
749
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:56,150
control much more than you or anyone
750
00:46:53,870 --> 00:47:02,270
else imagines don't forget that you will
751
00:46:56,150 --> 00:47:05,150
be foolish to do so the bureau decides
752
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:07,280
to make you escape it will make the
753
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:10,010
money available to them to us that
754
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,350
contingency is taken care there's no
755
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:13,550
need to concern yourself or your friends
756
00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:16,280
why not
757
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:17,810
because whatever funds are available go
758
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,780
directly to the camera Dan Becker
759
00:47:17,810 --> 00:47:24,020
controllers your friends do not come
760
00:47:20,780 --> 00:47:25,430
into it by the only active organization
761
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:27,740
to lead Germany back to National
762
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:29,480
Socialism do you think those old fools
763
00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:31,760
living in Brazil and Paraguay ever going
764
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,740
to do anything are the toothless old
765
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,780
refugees pretending to be Hitler's old
766
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:37,700
guard waiting for the tag that will
767
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:39,050
never come waiting for their rash
768
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:42,260
lighter to lead Germany back to
769
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:44,200
supremacy that's so stupid
770
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:47,630
you were happy enough to be part of it
771
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:50,900
not so many years ago but it was father
772
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:52,430
light years ago there a young men in
773
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:54,410
Germany who are not talking of the old
774
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:57,830
days and crying over their uniforms is
775
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:59,330
that what you think of me not you not
776
00:47:57,830 --> 00:48:02,840
the colonel
777
00:47:59,330 --> 00:48:05,070
you're both different the young people
778
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:08,580
worship you and Colonel rocket
779
00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:13,860
forget the old guard join the young ones
780
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:15,750
lead us Ingrid your friends doubtlessly
781
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:18,450
mean well but they are children without
782
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:20,070
purpose without faith throwing bombs
783
00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:22,800
killing a few Jews hijacking planes
784
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:24,060
making hostages of old men these are the
785
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,500
trappings of foolishness they are
786
00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:30,420
pointless senseless futile your brave
787
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:32,360
young friends are no better and no
788
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:35,820
different from the baader-meinhof
789
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,470
lunatics if you imagine a new Germany
790
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:42,270
will grow from such beginnings then you
791
00:48:37,470 --> 00:48:44,690
are not my daughter and I believe that
792
00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:44,690
you are
793
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:11,050
[Music]
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goatee
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Multi
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booty
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od
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