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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,200 It's exactly half past six on Wednesday 27th May. 2 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,560 We'll have all the latest news and sport for you in just a moment. 3 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,040 We are following a developing story with worldwide implications. 4 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:37,120 FIFA, the multibillion-dollar organization that governs soccer, is under fire. 5 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:43,400 A bombshell, an earthquake at the International Football Federation. 6 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,920 In May 2015, the house of FIFA started crumbling. 7 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,080 In the past hour, a number of officials 8 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:54,360 from world football's governing body, FIFA, 9 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,200 have been arrested on suspicion of corruption. 10 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:59,840 The news broke 11 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,760 that people had been arrested right in the seat of power in Zurich. 12 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,880 Senior members of the FIFA Executive Committee 13 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:08,080 and some officials. 14 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,960 We've only had the information in the last couple of hours, Amanda, 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,680 but what do you know about the arrests? 16 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,960 This is an FBI investigation. 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,800 They raided one of the main FIFA hotels, the Baur au Lac... 18 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,400 And these were individuals at the top 19 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,400 of not only the biggest sport on the planet, 20 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:28,720 but in many ways the biggest business. 21 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,160 In this car, one of them is taken away 22 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,440 from people's sight. 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,520 Every few minutes, we get a call that a new person is now under arrest. 24 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,960 We'd been working so hard for so long to try to control all this, 25 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,960 so this moment would happen in the right way. 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,520 I remember I was driving from home to FIFA, and I got a call telling me, 27 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,440 "We should meet because we have a big problem." 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,640 POLICE 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,080 It was a very difficult day. The worst day. 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,040 People I knew quite well had just been arrested. 31 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,280 But we didn't know the full extent of it until we saw the indictments, 32 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,040 uh, which was some hours later. 33 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:18,280 Not long afterwards, 34 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,520 the Department of Justice announced the indictment 35 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,880 with however many names on it, including some of the biggest names 36 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,360 in the Executive Committee. 37 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,080 Basically, the people who decide 38 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,400 which country's gonna host the World Cup, who run the organization. 39 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,000 We are here to announce the unsealing of charges and the arrest of individuals, 40 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,960 as part of our long-running investigation into bribery and corruption 41 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,720 in the world of organized soccer. 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,441 The first time you read the indictments, you're like, "Hold on." 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,480 You're not just saying these people did it. 44 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,120 You might be suggesting FIFA's responsible for this. 45 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,280 The 47-count indictment against these individuals 46 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,320 includes charges of racketeering, wire fraud, 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,160 and money laundering conspiracies, spanning two decades. 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,120 The way Loretta Lynch and Jim Comey talked about FIFA, 49 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,000 they use charges that normally are associated with the Mafia 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,240 or, uh, Mexican drug cartels. 51 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,600 If the US Department of Justice names FIFA as a criminal party, 52 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,600 it's... it's game, set, and match here. 53 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,120 The organization will just collapse. 54 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,480 Uh, nobody is above or beyond the law. 55 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,160 They went to New York to send a message to international soccer. 56 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,920 "You haven't cleaned up your house. We are coming to clean up your house." 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,320 This really is the World Cup of fraud. 58 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,640 And today, we're issuing FIFA a red card. 59 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,680 Suddenly, the corporate veil fell, 60 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,440 and you could see quite how much corruption 61 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,560 and money-making and self-interest and greed 62 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,400 and politicking and backstabbing there really was 63 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,280 behind what they called "the FIFA family." 64 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,480 - Mr. Blatter? - Mr. Blatter? 65 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,000 Will you resign, Mr. Blatter? 66 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,640 And Sepp Blatter was the head of that family. 67 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,800 He was the Godfather of football. 68 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,560 In his eyes, he was untouchable. 69 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,440 In most governments, 70 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,160 if two vice presidents and several members of the executive committee are indicted, 71 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,320 the president would resign or would be forced to resign. 72 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,960 Why would I resign? 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,560 To resign would be like saying I am responsible 74 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,320 for everything that's happening. 75 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,960 Corruption was endemic in FIFA for decades, 76 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,080 right through to the fall in 2015. 77 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:49,120 They held important responsibilities at every level, 78 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,640 from building soccer fields for children in developing countries 79 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,960 to organizing the World Cup. 80 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,400 They were expected to uphold the rules 81 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,280 that keep soccer honest and to protect the integrity of the game. 82 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,720 Instead, they corrupted the business of worldwide soccer 83 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,480 to serve their interests and to enrich themselves. 84 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,000 But that's not true. This has been created. 85 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,640 The institution is not corrupt. There is no corruption in football. 86 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:27,440 RED CARD FOR FIFA NO WORLD CUP WITHOUT WORKERS RIGHTS 87 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,280 Nothing was done by him to stop this bullet train. 88 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,040 My conscience is clear. 89 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,840 Because I cannot be responsible for that. 90 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,680 FIFA became toxic. FIFA became a criminal organization. 91 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:52,520 The job I have done in FIFA is a good job. 92 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,080 Let's go, FIFA! Let's go, FIFA! 93 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,360 I didn't realize how much power they had. 94 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,000 I didn't realize they controlled governments, banks. 95 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,880 I just thought, "These are the guys that make the rules." 96 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,840 Being a member of FIFA is like being in a secret garden you never wanna leave. 97 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,040 There's an unspoken code that you can do whatever you want. 98 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,800 You're a master of the sporting universe 99 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,360 and more powerful, in many cases, than politicians and others 100 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,240 because they come and go, but you stay in that job, 101 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,360 you stay in that seat year after year. 102 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,880 Regarding the arrests carried out, 103 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,040 this is another obvious attempt of the US 104 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,920 to extend its jurisdiction to other countries. 105 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Qatar! 106 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,160 We were all flabbergasted. 107 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,400 My immediate reaction was that they had bought this. 108 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,760 The attack was coming on us, on FIFA. 109 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:46,960 Unprecedented attacks, coming from left, right, and center. 110 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,720 My name will always be in "corruption, corruption, corruption." 111 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,680 This is the story of the history of FIFA, 112 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,240 which is partly the history of football itself, 113 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,000 and the history of how corruption takes root 114 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,000 in different places around the world. 115 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,640 It's still, by far, 116 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,600 the biggest sports corruption scandal that we've ever had. 117 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,360 FIFA has got the great privilege 118 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,160 of being in charge of the greatest game on earth, 119 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,160 that people just fall in love with 120 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,960 when they're really, really small, and love for the rest of their lives. 121 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,920 But they're in an important position 122 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,760 with a duty to safeguard the values of the sport. 123 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,440 It's a much happier place to be, 124 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,480 not to know all the ugly goings-on inside football, 125 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,680 and just to still love the game and support your national team, 126 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,560 just out of innocence and love. 127 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,400 But at the same time, 128 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:33,560 most football supporters have a feeling for when things aren't right. 129 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,480 The normal fan wants to see football, to be in the World Cup. 130 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,600 He wants to see his heroes playing, the Ronaldos and all... all the Messis. 131 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,600 He doesn't care about the infights in FIFA. 132 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,600 He knows FIFA's corrupt, and he's fed up with that. 133 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,560 The question is allowed. 134 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,520 Why should the normal fan care about bribery in sport? 135 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:05,840 We should care because the sport still gives the illusion to the world 136 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,080 that it is something nice, something fair, 137 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,640 something entertaining, something clean. 138 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,680 It is not, but the illusion still lives on. 139 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,680 If we don't fight corruption in sport, we should not fight corruption at all. 140 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:27,680 In order to understand how corruption takes root in football 141 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,640 in different places around the world, 142 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,080 it's really important to go back to the origins of FIFA. 143 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:42,440 FIFA was formed by seven European football associations in 1904, 144 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,240 and they were all amateur. 145 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,960 There was no money in it at all. 146 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,520 And there's an idealism there to play sport against each other. 147 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,560 They wanted football to be a force for good. 148 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,280 For decades, football spread phenomenally around the world, 149 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,360 despite how small-scale FIFA was for such a long time. 150 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,040 For years, it was just, you know, in an office building 151 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,880 in downtown Zurich, 152 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,000 and it... and it didn't have its own HQ. 153 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,440 It was an amateurish organization 154 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,600 until 1974. 155 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:37,560 At the time, the president of FIFA was a prominent English football administrator 156 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,120 called Stanley Rous, 157 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,120 who was then challenged by the Brazilian, João Havelange. 158 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,640 I'd like to mention this. For Stanley, I have the greatest respect. 159 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,720 When you enter into an election, 160 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,560 you do not turn into enemies, you are temporary adversaries. 161 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,800 João Havelange was the most famous Brazilian in the world. 162 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:05,000 João Havelange had been an Olympic athlete in swimming. 163 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:11,520 João Havelange was the president of the Brazilian Sports Confederation. 164 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,480 He had a genuine interest in sports. 165 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,120 He realized that the knowledge he had about sports 166 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,200 could be transformed into political power. 167 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,160 He started learning more about the political situation in FIFA. 168 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,600 He saw that there was a chance. 169 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:36,840 Would it be such a bad thing for football if Brazil did get this post? 170 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,440 I don't know. I should be a little apprehensive. 171 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,360 Why? 172 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,360 Well, in view of the way that I've seen that they, um... 173 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,520 their attitude towards football and sport is so different from ours. 174 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Stanley Rous made some big mistakes 175 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,320 and misjudgments on the international stage. 176 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,480 Particularly the fact that he had a tolerant attitude 177 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:02,600 towards apartheid South Africa 178 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,240 and their membership of FIFA. 179 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,920 He's not well-loved in Africa. 180 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,000 People see Stanley Rous as a part of the British Empire, 181 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,760 who are blocking the advancement of the African countries 182 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,040 who are fighting for their independence. 183 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:25,960 Havelange said, "While apartheid exists, 184 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,280 if I am elected, South Africa will be banned by FIFA." 185 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,880 Havelange fought a very shrewd election, 186 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,520 and this is where the politics, perhaps with a capital P, comes in. 187 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,280 Each country's football association has one vote 188 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,080 in the FIFA presidential election. 189 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,680 So, there are votes all around the world, 190 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,440 especially in Africa, 191 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,960 and João Havelange completely understood that if you wanted to win that election, 192 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,840 it's not going to do you any harm 193 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,760 if you promise them that there's gonna be some resources there, 194 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,160 some money there for development of the game in their own countries. 195 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,800 And then there's also the suspicion, of course, 196 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,720 that he had money, and that the famous packages, 197 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,240 the brown envelopes, 198 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,880 may have been distributed to delegates at the hotel in Frankfurt 199 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,480 in the days before the congress. 200 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,440 Of course it happened. It's certain it happened. 201 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:46,760 Gentlemen delegates, Mr. Havelange received 68 votes... 202 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,120 ...Sir Stanley Rous, 52. 203 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,760 The new president of FIFA is Mr. Havelange. 204 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,040 The election of João Havelange was such a watershed for FIFA. 205 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:08,280 This Brazilian industrialist 206 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,720 had replaced the English referee, FA blazer figure. 207 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,720 So unexpected and shocking. 208 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,440 The arrival of Havelange to FIFA 209 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,120 symbolized the arrival of capitalism in FIFA, 210 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,000 in the sense that its identity changed 211 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,840 from being like a club amongst friends, 212 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,800 Europeans who were all very interested in the game, 213 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,520 and became a business. 214 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,720 Soon after being elected president of FIFA, 215 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,640 I had in mind two particularly ambitious projects. 216 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:02,080 They should benefit, most of all, the youth and Third World countries. 217 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,560 So, Havelange had made those promises 218 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,200 to do more development in Africa, particularly. 219 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,320 But the problem was that there wasn't much money in FIFA 220 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,000 to actually do these programs. 221 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,680 And that's when Sepp Blatter came on board. 222 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,440 In October of '74, FIFA contacted me and said, 223 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,760 "Havelange is looking for somebody who could develop the game." 224 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,520 And I heard, "FIFA, FIFA." 225 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,400 I said, "Whoo! I jump into FIFA." 226 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,000 I met Havelange. 227 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,400 A big, tall man. 228 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,840 It's easy to be tall in front of me. 229 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,200 I never had more than Messi. 170, 169. 230 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,520 So... so, it's easy to be tall. 231 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,320 And he, uh, looked at me, and he said, 232 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,800 "Tu veux travailler avec moi?" 233 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,200 Uh... "Do you want to work with me?" 234 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,400 And I said, uh, "Yes, Mr. President." 235 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,000 - Handshake. And he said... - "You're hired." 236 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,560 Then I had what I wanted in my life, 237 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,640 to work for football and in football. 238 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,960 But developing the game, I... I cannot do it myself. 239 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,280 I need help. 240 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,000 FIFA had no money. 241 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,960 So, what I did, 242 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,480 I approach Coca-Cola, 243 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,440 and I made a presentation. 244 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,920 And then there was a man there, and he said, 245 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,280 "I listened to what you have said, 246 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,520 but how many bottles of Coca-Cola are you going to sell for me?" 247 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,160 I said, "It's not a question to sell the Coca-Cola, 248 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,680 but it is a question that two big organizations, 249 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,480 they can go together for the benefits of the youth." 250 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,440 And so, in 1976, we made the press conference 251 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,000 to announce the big support from the Coca-Cola Company 252 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,840 to FIFA for the development programs 253 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,400 and the youth competitions. 254 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,800 He was the first one who introduced modern sponsoring 255 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,240 in development programs. 256 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,920 It was totally new. This was revolutionary, you know. 257 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,320 Coca-Cola supported the FIFA Coca-Cola Program, 258 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,280 as it was called. 259 00:17:20,360 --> 00:17:22,600 This was the start of the modern FIFA. 260 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,920 And once we had Coca-Cola, then others followed. 261 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,040 Adidas said, "We will give the equipment." 262 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,600 And then we had the contract with KLM. 263 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,120 This is in the first four years 264 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,560 that Havelange is in power. 265 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,720 They're selling massive sponsorships for the first time. 266 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,840 After that, you start to see all these other brands 267 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,480 start attaching themselves to football, to sponsor the '78 World Cup. 268 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,920 It brings in an avalanche of money to FIFA. 269 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,000 Football became a product. 270 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,720 Then automatically, it's obvious. 271 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,120 You touch... you touch politics. 272 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,760 I'm sure 273 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,440 that Argentina will host an excellent World Cup. 274 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Economically, it's a rich country. 275 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,360 It has the right conditions, financially speaking, 276 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,680 for us to have a perfect World Cup. 277 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,480 The '78 World Cup was really a remarkable moment 278 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,280 in the history of sport, and politics, for that matter, 279 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:34,120 because it was... it was the opportunity for FIFA 280 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,760 to begin to really spread its wings financially, 281 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,480 but also it was an opportunity for FIFA to lay down 282 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,440 with perhaps the most despicable kinds of politicians you can imagine. 283 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,920 Argentina in 1976 had a takeover 284 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,720 by a fascist, violent, 285 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,760 brutal military group. 286 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,920 They were responsible for atrocities and disappearances. 287 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,280 General Videla, this very stern-looking man, 288 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,280 was running Argentina at this time. 289 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,560 The military junta was bundling up dissidents, 290 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,560 putting them on airplanes and helicopters, 291 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,440 and throwing them into the Rio de la Plata. 292 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,520 They were squashing all dissent, 293 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,600 and it was a truly horrific moment in modern world history. 294 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,440 The dictatorship was disastrous for the country. 295 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:47,920 It brought us pain. 296 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,440 The World Cup was not suspended, 297 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,360 despite all the economic problems the country was having. 298 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:59,800 The words of the President were, for us, yet another reassurance. 299 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:04,080 Therefore, we leave here very satisfied and very happy. 300 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:13,280 There's a modern word for cruel or unjust regimes 301 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,920 who glamorize themselves 302 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,080 or cleanse their image through association with football, 303 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,560 and the modern word is sportswashing. 304 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:27,120 The laundering of an image through being associated with sport. 305 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,080 The most famous example is not Argentina. 306 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,800 It's... it's the Hitler Olympics in 1936 in Berlin. 307 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:50,600 The World Cup of Argentina is a carbon copy of 1936. 308 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,720 We call on the footballers, 309 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,520 spectators, and the press of the world to boycott the games. 310 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,040 There was a big campaign to boycott it, but no country did boycott it. 311 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,160 Argentina! Argentina! 312 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,680 Argentina! Argentina! 313 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,680 Argentina reached the final with a wonderful team. 314 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,880 One of the stars was Mario Kempes, playing with his socks down his ankles 315 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,520 in a really flamboyant way, long hair. 316 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,960 He rode three tackles 317 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,320 before playing a reverse pass off the goalkeeper. 318 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,000 It was heart-stopping. 319 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,400 And Argentina won the World Cup. 320 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,000 They were the first happy moments I remember as a community. 321 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,800 We went from euphoria to sadness 322 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,600 when we found out at the end of the dictatorship 323 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,200 about everything that had happened in those years, 324 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:09,560 and how we were used as puppets. 325 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,800 I kept it there. I kept it there because it was sport, not politics. 326 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,960 It was well-organized, 327 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,720 the discipline was absolute, and it was a great World Cup. 328 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,440 Havelange himself said 329 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,600 that football and politics shouldn't mix, 330 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,640 that FIFA is an entity that's non-partisan and non-political. 331 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,120 João Havelange organized a World Cup final 332 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,760 at the Stadium Monumental de Núñez, 333 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,920 a mere 500 meters from the prison of the Argentinian Navy School, 334 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,200 where the objectors to the dictatorship were tortured and killed. 335 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,600 "Because I don't do politics." 336 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,920 Do you understand? 337 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,720 And then he does the worst, the worst kind of politics there is. 338 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,640 The kind that supports dictatorships. 339 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,120 Sportswashing is a big issue now, 340 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,240 and when you look back at the 1978 World Cup, 341 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,600 the 1936 Olympics, 342 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:23,680 and now, 343 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,600 I think it becomes more disturbing. 344 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,200 Sport allows itself to be, essentially, 345 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,320 bought by regimes with human rights issues, 346 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,320 rather than using its power to take a stance against that. 347 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:48,080 And you could say Argentina wrote the playbook 348 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,600 for how to do that. 349 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,200 In this story of the history of how corruption takes root in FIFA, 350 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,160 there's moments of original sin, 351 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,600 moments of people doing something corrupt, and it then becomes endemic, 352 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,240 and it seems that this, after the World Cup in Argentina, 353 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,200 is really one of those moments. 354 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,400 There are people who believe that Havelange should be recognized 355 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,040 for having a great legacy for football, and for FIFA, which is arguable, 356 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,560 but that he was corrupted by Horst Dassler, 357 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,800 the German owner of Adidas. 358 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:48,720 We produce 15,000 shoes, which is our main operation, 359 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,200 and, among other things, 500 balls per day. 360 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,920 Adidas had this incredible interwoven relationship with FIFA, 361 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,400 and Horst Dassler was remarkably powerful and influential, 362 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,040 going back decades by then. 363 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,760 It's almost like how much Adidas you saw on television when the World Cup was on 364 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,400 was reflected in the influence that Adidas had behind the scenes. 365 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:22,960 And the story goes that Adidas were doing the overall marketing package 366 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,000 for the 1982 World Cup in Spain. 367 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:33,640 And Horst Dassler put a payout into the contract for Havelange 368 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,440 in order to make sure that they secured the rights, 369 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,200 which was effectively a bribe. 370 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,320 And so João Havelange, the president of FIFA, 371 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,120 takes money for those marketing rights. 372 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:53,440 Then Dassler started to think about other ways to bribe Havelange 373 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,400 to be able to control rights indefinitely 374 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,880 'cause he knows that the value of football is just gonna explode. 375 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,800 As television developed, 376 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,960 the rights to just seeing the action became very, very, very valuable. 377 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,800 So Horst Dassler moves into pure sports marketing. 378 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,760 He wants to buy up the rights to the World Cups from FIFA 379 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840 and then sell them to broadcasters. 380 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,520 Havelange is not interested, necessarily, 381 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,720 in what the correct market value for it is. 382 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,960 He's interested in, 383 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,400 and this is where things start getting ugly, 384 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,600 how much money Dassler can give him privately under the table 385 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,240 in exchange for those rights. 386 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,640 And so Dassler creates this company, ISL, International Sport and Leisure. 387 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,960 And this company begins gobbling up almost every right associated with FIFA. 388 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,640 At the time, the model was simple and, uh, very profitable for ISL. 389 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,280 It was a straight rights buyout. 390 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,920 So, you went and offered a certain amount of money 391 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,480 to, uh... to FIFA 392 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,120 in return for all their marketing rights. 393 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,360 Then we could do with it whatever we wanted 394 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,240 and obviously sell them for, uh, more money. 395 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,920 As long as it brought money for FIFA, they were happy 396 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000 because they themselves didn't understand what we were doing, 397 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,760 but they liked the money coming in. 398 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,880 They definitely really used their power to their benefit. 399 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,480 The mastermind behind everything was Horst Dassler. 400 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,880 Granting ISL a de facto monopoly, the dark road started. 401 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,800 At the time, Blatter had the full trust of Havelange, 402 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,240 and Blatter behaved in a way that Havelange could trust. 403 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,040 He did everything for the president. 404 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,960 I was witnessing this, you know. 405 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,960 At the time, I remember there were 11 members in FIFA, 406 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,680 and I was number 12. 407 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,360 And number 12, at the time, 408 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,680 he didn't play. 409 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,000 He was substitute, 410 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,840 but only in the first half if somebody is injured. 411 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,080 He never played. 412 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,520 So I said, "I'm not a silly boy 413 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,400 to... to be the number 12 for all... all my life." 414 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,880 Blatter was a very ambitious marketing guy. 415 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,200 He learned how to try and negotiate your way up the ladder. 416 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,160 And a way of doing that 417 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,120 was to very much be the loyal worker for Havelange. 418 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,600 And in 1981, 419 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,720 he became the general secretary. 420 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,360 So then he's second in power, really, to Havelange. 421 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,640 Hello. 422 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,640 And Havelange was always in Brazil. 423 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,320 He came every six weeks or two months to see if the building is still standing. 424 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,280 So, Blatter could more or less do what he wanted. 425 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,240 He was the best-oriented person. 426 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,240 He was the spider in the net. 427 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,960 And Havelange was happy with the situation as it was. 428 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,480 He could get his black money. He could be the president. 429 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,240 He could... He could get the glory. 430 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,960 The moment when people understood, 431 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,040 "This is a powerful guy, FIFA is something else now," 432 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,360 was the World Cup in Spain, without any doubt. 433 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:46,040 There was a huge qualitative leap from the darkness of Argentina 434 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:51,760 to that sunny tournament in Spain in '82, even in the sense of the weather. 435 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,160 The fact that it was in Spain 436 00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:00,680 where a four-decade-long dictatorship had just ended. 437 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,600 Franco. 438 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,520 So, it was a completely different situation. 439 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,480 It swapped the shadows for the light. 440 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,000 And the one who was shining was Havelange. As well, right? 441 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,880 There is even a famous scene 442 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,600 in which King Juan Carlos and Havelange arrived together. 443 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,560 And the feeling was that the king was, in fact, Havelange 444 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,320 because of the different posture that he and Juan Carlos had. 445 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,000 It looked like the king in there was Havelange. 446 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,600 João Havelange became a very, very powerful figure at FIFA. 447 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,440 I don't think there's a challenge to his presidency, 448 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,840 and gradually FIFA start making big money. 449 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,120 Since he became FIFA president, 450 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,760 Havelange has created a multimillion-dollar footballing empire. 451 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,200 With it has come a life of luxury. 452 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,000 There was also starting to be a culture 453 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,440 of these people behaving a bit like barons. 454 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800 Last month, he jetted across the Atlantic to Zurich and back again, 455 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,960 just to say hello. 456 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,560 It becomes very famous, what a luxury life they all have. 457 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,120 The best cars, the best hotels. 458 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,560 You know, money no object, really. 459 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,920 And Havelange was almost like the emperor at FIFA. 460 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,480 Nearly all of FIFA's money was coming from ISL, 461 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,600 the marketing company founded by Horst Dassler, 462 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,840 the Adidas boss. 463 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,960 ISL controls all the marketing rights, the advertising in the stadium, 464 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,120 and every other element of commercialism, 465 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,640 so, to date, he's been very successful in his relationship with FIFA. 466 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,640 And all that time, 467 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:14,640 ISL had been paying kickbacks to Havelange, as the FIFA president, 468 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,560 for the purchase of marketing rights to World Cups. 469 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,280 The staff was starting to speak about ISL, and, uh, "Why is always ISL?" 470 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,120 And, uh, I got a lot of questions from the media, you know, 471 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800 questions I should... should reply more or less correctly. 472 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,720 You know? 473 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,600 And, uh... more and more, we found out that something was rotten. 474 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Yes, but we didn't speak it out. 475 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,720 Blatter knew ISL were paying Havelange money 476 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,200 'cause one-and-a-half million had actually been paid to FIFA by mistake, 477 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,760 and Blatter had seen it. 478 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,560 England, the Football Association... 479 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,920 For Blatter, it was a little triumph 480 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,600 because now he could show that Havelange was bribed. 481 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,600 This was the proof that Havelange was corrupted, you know? 482 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,000 And this was just, uh... the cherry on the cake, you know? 483 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,160 Beautiful cherry for Sepp Blatter. 484 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,600 And later on, he started to... to disclose his ambitions. 485 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,760 A few years later, I could feel he was getting impatient. 486 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,240 He didn't have the patience to wait until Havelange wanted to go. 487 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,480 He just wanted to become president. All the rest was not important. 488 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,840 Blatter knew that Havelange was corrupted, 489 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,000 and he made use of these secrets at the end of the day. 490 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,800 He made an arrangement with Havelange 491 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,560 that Havelange agreed to stay four more years 492 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,480 and to leave in an orderly way and to support him, 493 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,760 so Havelange could leave with a certain respect, 494 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,800 and Blatter could fulfill his dream to become FIFA president. 495 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,200 It was an evil pact. 496 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,640 My mission as president of FIFA will end 497 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:17,320 at the same time as the World Cup in France, 1998. 498 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,640 This must have been a very big personal disappointment for Havelange. 499 00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:23,120 I'm sad that he will leave 500 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,560 because I cannot imagine that FIFA will run without him. 501 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,200 Twenty-one years together, this forges friendship. 502 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,600 And, uh, I first have now to digest this information. 503 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:44,960 He was never honest enough to support the president of FIFA, 504 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,320 who made him. 505 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,200 Blatter's story is one of betrayal. 506 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,760 I get tired even talking about him. 507 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160 He's missed it! And Brazil win the World Cup! 508 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,360 Baggio stays rooted to the spot, 509 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,840 has hardly moved. 510 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,360 Italy are dejected. The delight from the Brazilians. 511 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:16,600 It all started with... 512 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:22,520 In the early '90s, the European members in the FIFA Executive Committee 513 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,280 were unhappy with the way 514 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200 Havelange and Blatter were running the organization. 515 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,800 And so they nominated Lennart Johansson 516 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,360 as their candidate for FIFA presidency in 1998. 517 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,200 I mind my own business. 518 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,200 I presented my program already half a year ago. 519 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,280 People know for what I'm standing, and that's it. 520 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,560 He was very popular within FIFA 521 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000 and, um, seems to have the support of Europe, 522 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,560 which is still sort of at the top of the pyramid of world football. 523 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,560 So, Blatter finds quite a challenge there. 524 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,800 How do you see Mr. Blatter's candidacy? 525 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,640 He's a very good general secretary. 526 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,560 We can also look at what lessons Havelange taught Blatter. 527 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,120 I think perhaps the most important lesson was about how to count votes 528 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,120 and that, in fact, other countries have lots of votes as well. 529 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,920 And once you're looking for votes, well, then it's a lethal business. 530 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,080 This is a big weakness in the FIFA system, 531 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,560 which no one's quite worked out how to solve. 532 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,040 Every country has one vote. 533 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,360 CONMEBOL, for example, the South American confederation, 534 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,200 which includes Brazil and Argentina, 535 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,400 two of the greatest football countries 536 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,680 who've won the World Cup multiple times between them, 537 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,440 has only 10 votes for the presidency of FIFA, 538 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,440 but CONCACAF, 539 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,840 because of all the Caribbean islands, 540 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,840 they have over 30 votes for the presidency, 541 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:58,040 so, therefore, any FIFA president has to keep them happy. 542 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,240 And who is the president of CONCACAF for all those years? 543 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,360 Someone called Jack Warner. 544 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,520 In the Caribbean, there's a post-Jack and a pre-Jack. 545 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,120 Pre-Jack, most of the Caribbean went about their business on their own, 546 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,880 25 countries reporting back to CONCACAF and FIFA. 547 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,080 When Jack came in, he united the Caribbean, 548 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,440 and he gave every single Caribbean nation, 549 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,080 whether you're as small as Turks and Caicos or as big as Cuba, 550 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,160 a sense of belonging. 551 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,600 He believed the Caribbean should be hosting World Cups. 552 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,800 He believed that anything that Europe gets or Africa gets or Asia gets, 553 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,560 the Caribbean should get as well. 554 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,200 And he was a person that wielded a very, very powerful hand 555 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,160 in football in Trinidad and Tobago. 556 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,200 Nothing happened without him. 557 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,480 What happens in FIFA now 558 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,240 is that you have to be able to make alliances, forge alliances, 559 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,440 and in that way, you tend to get what you want. 560 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,360 Jack Warner always had a sidekick, 561 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,960 this other character who hung out with him by the name of Chuck Blazer. 562 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,960 When I first turned on to this whole thing, 563 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,400 I noticed, while there was articles about Jack Warner, 564 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,120 no one wrote about Chuck Blazer. 565 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,960 If this is an alternative method to some of the... 566 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,080 He's not someone who played soccer. 567 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,520 He didn't play many sports at all. He didn't know anything about the sport. 568 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,600 He was much more interested in the administration. 569 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,680 He was a hustler, a salesman. That was his number one talent. 570 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,320 He coached both his kids' soccer teams in New Rochelle, and I think he saw... 571 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,760 He said, "There's all these kids playing soccer." 572 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480 "There's a huge upsurge in interest in soccer in America." 573 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,520 He saw a way to make a buck. He was always looking for that. 574 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,600 Really, he rose from coaching his kids' soccer team 575 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,400 to the soccer federation, which gave him a place in CONCACAF. 576 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,880 And that's when he connected with Jack Warner. 577 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,440 The name itself is the Confederation 578 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,160 of North, Central American and Caribbean Association... 579 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:19,080 Now, each of those three zones have somewhat different flavors to them. 580 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,720 Chuck helped Jack realize 581 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,720 that the Caribbean was the sleeping giant of CONCACAF 582 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,840 in terms of one country, one vote. 583 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,840 And in a 40-nation confederation, 584 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,400 if 25 of those nations are Caribbean and they're organized, 585 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040 they should lead the direction of the confederation. 586 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,880 So, Chuck said, 587 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,280 "Hey, we need to think about a structure that really works for us." 588 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,760 "Let's go make this money." 589 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,760 And so, in 1990, 590 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,560 Jack Warner won the election for CONCACAF president 591 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,800 and made Chuck the general secretary. 592 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,600 I think he was as corrupt as can be when he got there, 593 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,120 but I think he also learned the way of FIFA. 594 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,400 His appetite got much, much bigger. 595 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,840 Jack relied on Chuck to generate the television contract 596 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,320 and other dollars that would mean wealth 597 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,200 for the confederation and those two men in particular. 598 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,800 Chuck believed he should get a taste of everything. 599 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,280 Like your Mafia guys, they want a taste of every single deal, 600 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,160 and Blazer very much believed that. 601 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,520 Last year, I was given the responsibility also 602 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,160 to handle two new competitions which are... 603 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,920 When they assemble the votes in the Caribbean to win CONCACAF, 604 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,400 this other sort of immediate takeaway from that 605 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,360 is that that's a large block of votes 606 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,160 that can also be applied to elections at FIFA. 607 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,560 Anyone that wanted to be the president of FIFA, 608 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,120 you had to go through the Caribbean, you had to go through Jack Warner 609 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,240 because he held a huge voting block. 610 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,360 And not only just held it, they were extremely disciplined 611 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,640 and loyal to him. 612 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,440 Blatter understood quite clearly 613 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,680 that Jack had good negotiating skills in everything that he did. 614 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:12,720 And Jack recognized 615 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,920 there would be more benefits coming into the Caribbean with him. 616 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,320 So, they became... "brothers." 617 00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:27,400 Jack Warner would have been someone to make an offer to change his mind. 618 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,640 He is this kind of character. 619 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,520 But the Europeans couldn't do that. 620 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,800 So, uh, he was lost from the beginning. 621 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,200 I regret very much the fact that for Europe, for UEFA, 622 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,120 it seems that no football exists beyond their frontiers, 623 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,520 and that everybody must conform to UEFA and not the other way around. 624 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,400 And this is one big family. 625 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,480 I have a problem with that. 626 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:58,440 He was one of those who asked for money 627 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,160 to vote for Lennart Johansson. 628 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,120 Bluntly. 629 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,280 He was only looking after his own pockets. 630 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,240 So, he was supporting Blatter, but we hoped that in spite of that, 631 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,040 we would come through as winners, 632 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,760 and, uh, we were hoping that we... we get all Europe behind us. 633 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,840 Two candidates, the Swiss, Joseph Blatter, 634 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,080 against the Swede, Lennart Johansson. 635 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,760 Lennart Johansson wants to apply his European strategy on the world stage. 636 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,680 He is the man behind the evolution of European competitions. 637 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,360 You have to watch your back all the time because you can't really trust people. 638 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,400 There are... there are very few 639 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,920 who are not prepared to change their opinions. 640 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,280 In other football news, 641 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,120 Michel Platini joined Sepp Blatter's campaign this morning in Paris. 642 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,320 He announced his support for Mr. Blatter's bid 643 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,120 to become the next FIFA president. 644 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,480 Basically, Blatter said to himself, "I'm not very popular." 645 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,200 "Although I'm Swiss, I'm not very popular or even not popular at all 646 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,680 with the European federations." 647 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,520 Blatter was aware that he was seen as a rather dull football politician, 648 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,200 and he said to himself, "Here is Michel Platini, 649 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640 who retired from football, 650 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,080 who seems to have embarked in sports politics." 651 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,600 "He could be an absolutely incredible running mate." 652 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,320 Platini really revolutionized French football. 653 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,320 He revolutionized it on the pitch, but also off it. 654 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,200 He really had this incredible technical range, 655 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,880 which made him a unique player. 656 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,200 And so he saw Blatter and was quite impressed by his work rate. 657 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,680 And that's when the idea of this Platini-Blatter ticket emerged. 658 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,440 On the list of the best players in the world, 659 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,880 he was one of the highest there. 660 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,600 He said, "I... My value is one million." 661 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,600 I said, "Okay, one million." Also a handshake. 662 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,000 - Okay? - Okay. 663 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,240 Platini's role was very important in Europe 664 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,600 because this election was not at all a done deal for Blatter. 665 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,160 Blatter was not the favorite. 666 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,560 When we did the math a few months before the congress, 667 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,480 Blatter was still well behind. 668 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,320 In Asia, we had a split situation. 669 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,600 There was quite a few associations in favor of Johansson. 670 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,800 And we thought that the bonds between Africa and Europe were so strong 671 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,400 that all the African states would give their votes for Lennart. 672 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,280 Um... 673 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,480 And, uh, strange things happened. 674 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,920 Okay, smile. 675 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,320 Smile. 676 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,320 In April, Blatter rang me and said, 677 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,280 "Emmanuel, I would like to pick your brain on how to get the vote from Africa." 678 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,920 And I said, "Listen, you know, you are facing a tough guy." 679 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,840 "Like, Johansson, who already... a tight relationship with CAF, 680 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,880 the African football confederation." 681 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,560 "But there is maybe one thing we can do." 682 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,440 I flew to South Africa 683 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,040 to meet the chairman of the South African Football Association. 684 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,400 I come in and I say, "Oli, I need your help." I say, "Listen." 685 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:50,080 "Here is a golden opportunity for South Africa as a nation, 686 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,280 and for you as a president, to host the World Cup." 687 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,480 "If you make a right choice, we'll give you a guarantee." 688 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,120 And he said that, "If it's true, 689 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,040 I will not only bring the voice of South Africa, 690 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:10,080 but I will bring the 14 COSAFA members to you folks." 691 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,280 So I say, "Bingo." 692 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,320 I call Sepp. I say, "Listen, we have a deal here." 693 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,640 What counts is the money. In direct way or indirect way. 694 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,280 And promising a World Cup is also a way of promising money. 695 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,280 Another key ally of Sepp Blatter 696 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,960 was Mohamed Bin Hammam. 697 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,320 He was a Qatari businessman and essentially his campaign manager. 698 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,920 Clearly very ambitious, 699 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,800 and he absolutely hitched his wagon to Blatter for that '98 election. 700 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,360 He's a rich man. 701 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,280 Very influential, powerful. 702 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,200 He always get what he needs. 703 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,920 Bin Hammam was a very, very loyal deal-maker. 704 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160 Blatter learned how important Bin Hammam can be. 705 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,280 Whatever he promised, he kept. 706 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,440 I worked with him through my relationship, 707 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200 friendship with the Africans, with the Asians, 708 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,400 to... to get more votes, you know. 709 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,120 I served him like nobody served him in... 710 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,720 uh... in his life, you know. 711 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,680 Several people have been talking about brown envelopes being exchanged 712 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,840 at the FIFA hotel. 713 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,000 A lot of African countries switched camp just before the congress. 714 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,480 We can only assume that there was money involved. 715 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,360 There's a lot of talk about huge sums of money 716 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,760 being delivered to hotel rooms in Paris. 717 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,720 Yes, it was. 718 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,200 It was. 719 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,200 - What can you do? That... - Was that a rumor, or was that true? 720 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,560 No, that was true. Yeah. It was true. 721 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,560 It was true. 722 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,320 - Good morning. - Good morning. 723 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,160 Good morning. 724 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,040 Morning. How are you? 725 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,120 Hello, Mr. Blatter. 726 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,080 Ladies and gentlemen, 727 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,400 welcome to Paris for the 51st FIFA Congress. 728 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,600 Without waiting anymore, I give the floor to Mr. Havelange. 729 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:06,000 And now the elections will begin. 730 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,880 We have two candidates. 731 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,400 The general secretary of FIFA, Mr. Sepp Blatter, 732 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,480 and the president of UEFA, Mr. Lennart Johansson. 733 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,320 Thank you, Mr. President. 734 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,000 Our football family needs a new leader. 735 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,280 When I was campaigning all around the world, 736 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,160 when I met delegates on all continents, 737 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:36,280 I did not want to promise jobs, contracts, 738 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,400 tournaments, money, or any other help. 739 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,160 And I did not want to promise financial support to some associations 740 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,680 who would receive this support rightfully. 741 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,760 Instead of making promises, 742 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,640 I referred to my program and to the key messages. 743 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,000 Democracy, solidarity, and transparency. 744 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,120 We had 12 minutes to present. 745 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,800 Johansson took, I think, ten or whatever. 746 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,800 He's speaking. 747 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,800 And he was so convinced that he will, uh... 748 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,440 he will be elected. 749 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,360 Voting for me means voting for a clean football and a clean FIFA. 750 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:22,880 Voting for me... 751 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,960 I was a little bit shorter, very short, 752 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,240 and I started to say, "You know me..." 753 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,000 Myself, I'm for continuity 754 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,520 of all the development work 755 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,200 that Mr. Havelange and his administration, 756 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,200 and to which I was instrumental, 757 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,440 has done during the last few years. 758 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,640 And then I said, "If I am elected, 759 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,800 I will bring the World Cup to Africa." 760 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,000 And then whatever, over. 761 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,480 I thank you all. 762 00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,960 And then we started the procedure for election. 763 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:03,720 Algeria. 764 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,440 Argentina. 765 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,800 Bahamas. 766 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:09,960 Bahrain... 767 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,440 Ladies and gentlemen, the results for the first round of voting. 768 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,560 One candidate must obtain two-thirds of all the votes, 769 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,440 which is 128 votes. 770 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,760 Mr. Joseph Blatter, 111 votes. 771 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,240 Mr. Lennart Johansson, 80 votes. 772 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:48,160 Therefore, we must proceed with a second round of voting. 773 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:56,600 Dear friends, I am sorry, but 111-80. 774 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,080 The game is over, and I think you should go for lunch. 775 00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,160 Thank you very much. 776 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,000 We understood immediately that this is already done. 777 00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,040 Africa suddenly had turned around, 778 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,880 and also some Europeans, 779 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,320 uh, changed and didn't support their own president, 780 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,240 so, he was betrayed, he thought, 781 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,400 and I think that it doesn't make sense 782 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,280 to take a fight where you know already from the beginning 783 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,920 that you are going to lose. 784 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,640 I was astonished by the fact that, uh, people I talked to 785 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,640 told me they should vote for me, and obviously, a lot of them didn't. 786 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,600 And this is where I think, um, Blatter was an artist in organizing that. 787 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,000 I was the happiest person in the hall. 788 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,920 I was just standing up, saying, "Victory!" 789 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,320 "It's a liberation for us." 790 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,560 What he has is he has an insatiable desire 791 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,320 to be the center of attention. 792 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,720 And that could... 793 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,760 in the end, could have made him fail, but it didn't. 794 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,360 Once again, please applaud Lennart Johansson. 795 00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,200 And had Johansson been elected president of FIFA, 796 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,080 these scandals that we know now would not have happened. 797 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,560 There was a reaction afterwards by UEFA by saying... 798 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,080 I remember. 799 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,720 "This is one victory." 800 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,000 "But never again will you be the president. Never again." 801 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,120 It all started with Blatter and Havelange. 802 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,480 And the '98 elections was the foundation 803 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,000 for all the things that happened afterwards. 804 00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,760 The ongoing mess at FIFA continues 805 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,320 with Mohamed Bin Hammam accusing Sepp Blatter of behaving like a dictator. 806 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,840 Where is my security? 807 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,240 Saying that I have bribed somebody by paying something, 808 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,600 this is absolutely wrong. 809 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,280 - What do you have on Blatter? - No comments. 810 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,840 Why no comments? 811 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,840 Stop, please, to say FIFA's corrupt. FIFA is not corrupt. 812 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,600 I feel let down, sickened, and fed up. 813 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,680 Enough is enough. 814 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,640 How about your relationship with Jack Warner? 815 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,040 It's obviously been broken. 816 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,480 I said before, FIFA will feel a tsunami coming. 817 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,160 Trust me. You haven't seen it yet. 69177

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