All language subtitles for In Plain Sight - The Intelligence Community And UFOs (2022) ENG

[typewriter keys clacking]

[gentle music]

[keboard keys clacking]

[gentle music]

- You know, after
months of anticipation,

the US government
finally released

their report on
UFOs late Friday.

But it didn't
answer the question.

What are those
mysterious flying objects

spotted by US Military
pilots in recent years?

[gentle upbeat music]

- I am here to discuss the
so-called flying saucers.

We have as of date come to
only one firm conclusion,

with respect to this
remaining percentage.

And that is that it does not
contain any pattern of purpose,

or of consistency that
we can relate with -

to any conceivable threat
to the United States.

We can say that the
recent sightings are
in no way connected

with any secret development

by any department of
the United States.

- [Interviewer] Major Keyhoe,

as author of the book,
"Flying Saucers Are Real"

what is your opinion
of these new sightings

of unidentified objects?

- With all due respect
to the Air Force,

I believe that some of
them will prove to be

of interplanetary origin.

[dramatic music]

- My name is John Ramirez

and I served at CIA
from 1984 to 2009.

I had a 25 year career
and it culminated

in me receiving the
Career Intelligence Medal

for my service.

And I started at CIA

in the Directorate of
Science and Technology,

in the signals
intelligence field

with the specialty of
electronic intelligence.

And later transferred over

to the Directorate
of Intelligence,

where I was a Weapons
Intelligence Analyst for Russian

and ballistic missile
defense systems and radars.

I got interested in UFOs
at a very young age.

When I was four-years-old,

I saw through my
very first telescope

and I saw the wonders in the
skies, the moon, the stars.

And I just felt like that's
where my real home was,

that I belonged out there.

And this was before
the space program.

So I wasn't really
influenced by Project Mercury

and the original seven
astronauts of NASA.

This was before then

that I felt like my destiny,
my future, even my past

was out in space.

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- My name is Richard Doty,

I was a
counterintelligence officer

for the United States
Air Force Office

of Special Investigations.

I served in that role
from 1978 until 1988.

During my time as a
counterintelligence officer

with the Air Force, I
conducted investigations

into the unidentified
flying object phenomena.

Before that, of course I had
been briefed into the program

and during my time at
Kirtland Air Force Base,

I gained access to a
special access program,

which dealt with the
United States government's

investigation into the
UFO and ET phenomenon.

And during that briefing,
I learned about Roswell.

The first part of the
briefing pertained to how we,

the United States government,

had made our first contact

with an extraterrestrial
being and craft.

And that was at
Roswell, New Mexico.

What I was told
during this briefing

was that two
unidentified crafts,

later identified as
extraterrestrial crafts,

were flying around New
Mexico on a mission,

some type of reconnaissance
mission we think,

and they collided.

Now that's a big controversy

because if you stop and
think of an alien craft

coming 40 lightiyears away,

and they coming into our
atmosphere and they collide,

how can that happen?

[UFO crashing]

- During a three
year investigation,

I found that many pilots

have described objects of
substance at high speed.

One case, pilots reported
their plane was buffeted

by an object which passed
them at 500 miles an hour.

Obviously this
was a solid object

and I believe it was
from outer space.

[eerie music]

[birds chirping]

- My name is Tom Carey

and I'm a native of
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Somewhere along the line after
I was graduated from college

and spent four years
in the Air Force,

I became re-interested
in the subject of UFOs

because I had heard
something about a incident

called the Roswell incident.

And I read the book and
it just blew me away.

So to become active
in the field,

I joined MUFON, the
Mutual UFO Network,

just to receive their monthly
journal that they print.

Well, the next thing I know,

I'm the state section director
for Southeastern Pennsylvania

in charge of investigating
local UFO cases.

I wound up investigating
local cases

in the Philadelphia
area, five county area.

And I learned that there
were these two fellas,

Kevin Randall and
Donald Schmidt,

were reopening the Roswell case,

which had sort of laid dormant
for well, initially 30 years.

It was a two day
story back in 1947.

It was a flying saucer, no,
it was a weather balloon.

It was a two day story.

And these two fellas
Randall and Schmidt

were reopening the Roswell case.

And part of that story
was that the crash

was discovered by a
group of archeologists

from the University
of Pennsylvania.

Well, I have a degree
in anthropology,

I'm a trained physical
anthropologist,

I went for a doctorate
in physical anthropology.

That's how I became
a, quote unquote,

active investigator on the case.

'Cause this is like 1991 now.

So I joined the Randall
and Schmidt team

looking for the archeologists.

And since then I've expanded
my interest in the case

and became an investigator,

now 31 years on this one
case, the Roswell case,

and we have found
over 600 witnesses,

first and secondhand
on the case.

Now during our investigation,
we learned many things,

certainly some things about
the government involvement

in suppressing this case.

[dramatic music]

- I was hired into
the Directorate of
Science of Technology

as what is known
an ELINT analyst,

or electronic
intelligence analyst.

My job was to analyze

the Russian ballistic missile
defense system and its radars

associated with that system.

That job then entailed
looking at the targets

that the Russians
were interested in.

And so through that avenue,

I was able to understand the
workings of the Russian radars

designed to look for
ballistic missile launches,

designed to look for satellites.

In a course of my work
at CIA in that field,

there was a time
when the Russians

were very interested in targets

that were not ballistic
missiles and not satellites.

They eliminated
these two targets,

especially the
ballistic missiles,

there was no surprise attack.

However, because they detected
objects that were unusual,

they went into a high
state of readiness.

Their strategic rocket forces

went into a state of readiness.

Which we then detected and
was of a concern to us.

They did stand down

and they did their own
analysis of what happened.

And we did our analysis of
what the Russians detected

and it appeared that there
were objects of interest

to the Russians

that warranted a high state
of readiness on their part.

So I wrote a memorandum

for the then Deputy Secretary
of Defense, John Deutch,

about these radar systems

going into a high
state of readiness

because of objects
that they tracked.

And described that they
were not satellites

and they were not of
course ballistic missiles.

But it could have been
a test of the system,

it could have been
a training segment

for their personnel running
these radar systems.

These are like plausible
kind of explanations.

But later I learned
that what they detected

were these orbs or objects

that were flying
over Russian airspace

from the Arctic Circle.

And so to understand
these radar systems

are in the periphery of Russia,

looking for threatening targets.

And when they find
a satellite system

and it matches up to
a known satellite,

they'll drop the target

and keep continuing
to scan the horizon.

Well, in this instance,

what popped up over the
horizon flew very fast.

And under intelligent control

with intent to go
to a destination,

and it was not aircraft,

it was not any kind
of missile test.

This prompted the Russians to
investigate this even further.

[eerie music]

[birds chirping]

- My name's Jesse Peak.

And I'm a MUFON
field investigator

in the state of Pennsylvania,

city of Philadelphia,
section one.

MUFON is a big
worldwide organization

that investigates
the UFO phenomenon

to scientifically help humanity.

We've been doing this since 1967

and we have MUFON field
investigators worldwide,

not just here in
the United States.

And we break down all kinds
of different investigations

that are done and reported
to us, of UFO sightings,

experiencer reports,
abduction reports.

I also work with the ERT team,

which is the Experiencer
Resource Team for MUFON.

So if you had an experience,
you can report that,

fill out a questionnaire
and we'll actually help you

and walk you through in
trying to find answers

to what you had in
your experience.

So I joined MUFON in
2019, and a big part

of where that field investigator

feeling inside me comes from,

I was actually in the
Army National Guard,

so I'm very familiar
with chain of command.

I was with 13 Bravo,
Artillery County crew member.

I did my time at
Oklahoma, Fort Sill.

And I was stationed

in the Pennsylvania
National Guard branch

on Southampton Road.

So I'm very familiar
with signing NDAs,

non-disclosure agreements,

working with the chain of
command like we do in MUFON.

We know that, you know,
it's only need to know

sort of situations
where, you know,

you don't ask unless
you're offered to know.

I've worked with plenty of
people in the intelligence field

and people that have
worked in the DOD the DIA,

working with them
probably on a weekly basis

throughout MUFON, I met
a lot of people that way.

I mean, we know that the
government can keep secrets

in the intelligence field.

We look back at the
Manhattan Project

and that was 130,000 people
that worked on that project.

$2 billion of US money
went to that project.

And not one of those people
leaked that project whatsoever.

So we know that the
intelligence community

can keep a secret.

I mean, they had been
doing it since Roswell,

I mean, 75 years, 75 plus years

of keeping secrets of
this UFO phenomenon.

And just now, recently,
we're starting to have people

in the Congress, senators

that are starting to
make new amendments,

the Gillibrand-Rubio Amendment,

that's been coming out.

Chris Carson, another senator,

they're all fighting for
disclosure to come forward,

to give us this
information finally.

And usually NASA falls
in line with that,

with the government in not
telling these secrets like this,

but now Bill Nelson
has been coming out

and his scientists
have been pushing

the intelligence community to
give them that information,

so we can actually
scientifically look at this

the proper way.

The intelligence community
knows what they're doing.

They are slowly getting
little leaks here,

but can we trust those leaks?

People come out the
woodwork saying,

"Yeah, I'm ex-intelligence,
I used to do this and that,

worked at the Pentagon."

Even people that say they worked
with NASA back in the day,

they come out and they start

disclosing a little bit of
information here and there.

But their job was trained to
be an intelligence officer,

so they're the best liars
trained in the world.

And I know this from being
in the military myself.

If we had to say
what we had to say

'cause it was gonna be on the
books or in a video somewhere,

of course we had to be the
ones to go along with it

and say what had to be said,

whether it was the truth or not.

I've seen people do
that all the time.

I mean, it happens every
day, especially in Congress.

And you see people talking
about it, stuff in the Pentagon.

- During that timeframe

that the Roswell incident
happened in July of 1947,

we had a very serious
lightning storm in New Mexico,

in central part of New Mexico.

And anybody that's
been in New Mexico

knows that lightning
storms can be vicious.

Now these two crafts were flying

in the central part of New
Mexico and they collided.

One landed or crashed
near Corona, New Mexico.

The other craft crashed west
of Socorro near Horse Mesa.

The craft that that landed
near Corona, New Mexico

was discovered by an
archeological team,

a few hours after
the craft crashed.

Now we talk about
the debris field

that was found by
on the Brazos Ranch.

That debris field
was part of the craft

that crashed in Corona,

it was the antenna
section of that craft.

But the actual craft was
recovered pretty much intact

by the Army Air Force.

And I remember during
that time period, 1947,

the United States Air
Force didn't exist.

That didn't come into play,
not until September of 1947.

But the Army Air
Force was responsible

for collecting the
debris and the bodies.

The bodies were taken initially
to Roswell Army Airfield

and then onto Los Alamos.

One live ET was found
in the crash at Corona.

He was given the
identification of EBE

or Extraterrestrial
Biological Entity.

And he stayed alive
from 1947 to 1952

when he died in our captivity.

The second craft crashed
out near Horse Mesa,

but that craft wasn't
founded until 1949.

A rancher moving his cattle
from a lower grazing range

to a higher grazing range,
discovered that craft,

in the late fall of 1949.

Now this area of Western
New Mexico in Catron County

is extremely remote.

The only people

that would frequent that
area would be ranchers.

And this rancher went up
there to move his cattle

and discovered the craft.

He had no idea what
this craft was.

He eventually contacted
the Catron County Sheriffs

some days later, 'cause it
took him some days to get away.

It took about five
days for the sheriff

to make it out there,
to look at the craft

and figured it was something
that he couldn't identify.

Immediately they notified the
Air Force at Kirtland Field.

They came out,
recovered the crash.

Unfortunately all the
occupants of the craft

at Horse Mesa were dead, their
bodies were deteriorated.

So that's in essence, the
basics of the Roswell craft

crash sites that I was told by
the United States government.

Now I have no reason to think

that what I was told during
that time is not true.

I think everything that that
I just stated is factual

by the United States
government's knowledge.

[eerie music]

- So the headline goes
out on July the 8th, 1947,

that the Roswell Army Airfield

had recovered a flying saucer.

Well, somewhere along the line,

the government
did not like that.

And very quickly they
changed the story

to kill it in the press,

that it wasn't a spaceship,
but a weather balloon.

Now they would have been
better off if they said,

"Well, it was one of our
high tech latest fighter jets

that had crashed."

But they said it was
a weather balloon.

And so they suppressed the
story in the newspaper.

So they took care of the press.

Now what about the
airmen at Roswell?

They knew, I mean, the story
went around like wildfire

and everybody on the
base knew what happened.

So they threatened the airmen,

holding these meetings
in their hangers,

"Okay, fellas, you
wanna know more about

what you think
happened around here?"

"Okay, if you want to
read more about it,

you can read about it
in Leavenworth Prison."

So they threatened the
airmen to keep quiet

or else they'd wind
up in Leavenworth.

Now what about the civilians?

What about the civilians that
had gotten to the crash site

before the military?

And we know that they did.

Now there was no martial law,

they did not
declare martial law.

There was no emergency
like, you know,

an invasion or
anything like that,

where the Military could
take over the town.

But they de facto did
take over the town

and they started
threatening the witnesses

who knew what had happened,
had been to the site,

had seen the crash

and especially had
seen the little bodies.

They threatened the
civilian population,

and there were a lot
of them, with death.

They said, "If you
talk about this,

we're not only
going to kill you,

we're going to kill
your whole family."

[dramatic music]

[birds chirping]

- My name's Eric Mintel.

I am the founder of Bucks County
Paranormal Investigations,

also Eric Mintel Investigates,

and for years there's always
been so many great stories

of ghosts, UFOs,
everything paranormal,

here in Bucks County and beyond.

And I briefly joined MUFON
back in, I think, 2009

when we had a huge UFO flap
here in Bucks County in 2008,

with many, many, I mean,
thousands of people

were seeing these objects

and a lot of video
evidence and whatnot.

So I became a field investigator
for a short period of time.

Going back to Roswell,
1947, and you know,

the government's,
you know, admission

they found a disk
that day in the field

and then right
away covered it up.

So I think probably the
government, at that time,

didn't wanna cause panic

because look, we
had the Cold War,

the Cold War was happening,

and then that just
proliferated, you know,

decade after decade.

But what people don't understand

is that sightings
were still going on.

They were still happening.

Now so maybe you
didn't hear a lot

of what was going
on at that point.

But when you've got UFOs
flying over Washington, D.C.

over the capital
building in 1952,

you can't deny
that, that's there.

And they had no
idea what it was.

You know, Project Blue
Book did the studies

of the UFO reports.

And they think they had
like, 17,000 reports

and I think 709 that
couldn't be explained.

And probably a lot
more than that.

So, you know, I think
that the bottom line is,

and even with
these Tic Tac UFOs,

they don't know what it is.

Is it causing a threat?

We haven't seen any of
that, we haven't seen that.

I mean, I don't know
some reports use,

I mean, you get
some of the reports

of people that have
been, you know,

burned by, you
know, the radiation

or they've had some kind of
like close contact that way.

But as far as
physically, you know,

were destructively
doing something with
these UFO reports,

I don't think they're
a threatening,

I don't think they're
a threatening thing.

My opinion is that they're
here to monitor us.

They're monitoring
us for some thing,

we don't know what that is.

So what is the phenomena?

That's the biggest question
that we've all been asking

for millennia, really.

I mean, if you go back to
religious times, they're there.

There's a painting of
the Madonna holding Jesus

with a guy in the background,

looking at a UFO
in the background.

So it's amazing that
these things are there,

they are in plain sight
of what we're seeing,

they're there every day.

My feeling is the government

just does not know
what these are

and they don't know
how to approach it.

So that's why they
created AATIP,

that's why they're creating

all of these different
infrastructures

to deal with this somehow.

But so far, nobody
has an answer.

- So I'm working on a case now,

going back to the
problems people have

after having been abducted
or it was a UFO sighting.

And I was sent a picture

and she showed me
some puncture wounds

that were left
behind on her body,

after having an experience.

Now, we see these a lot with
abductees and experiencers,

they get marks on their bodies,
some even will get implants.

Dr. Roger Leir was
a big part of that,

he helped get these
people with implants

that have had experiences
and he would remove them.

And we have a lot of
data on those as well.

A lot of the times, if you
have an object in your body,

you can pull it out and
then it'll have a membrane

around the object itself.

And what that membrane does

is it helps the body
not reject the object

being placed inside.

Then when you cut that off,

it usually turns down to some
type of metal or meteorite

that's being placed in the body.

Now there's been plenty of times

where we've actually
taken an EMF reader

or some kind of
electrical device,

and put it close to the objects

that are implanted in people,

and it will actually
give off readings,

which is, I mean, what
does that? We have no idea.

This is just part of the
phenomenon that we question.

[eerie music]

- In 1984, I was
assigned to Area 51.

The public would
call it Area 51,

it was Groom Lake
Complex in Nevada.

I walked into a building

and there was a
closed-circuit camera,

a monitor, excuse me,

showing a picture of
an ET on the camera.

I asked the agent in the
room, "Where is this?

What am I looking at here?"

He said, "This is
closed-circuit.

This ET is at another facility."

And I learned later was
S2 Annex, it was called.

"And he's getting ready
to be interviewed."

And I watched it for
about, like I said,

about seven to 10 minutes.

And another officer
came in the room

and asked me what I
was doing in there.

And I said, "Oh, I came
over for another project.

And I see this."

He said, "I don't think
you're cleared for it."

So I had to leave.

But in that seven to 10
minutes, I saw a lot of this.

Now the ironic part of this

was there were two
intelligence officers

sitting, one on one side of him,

one on the other side of him.

And there was sound in the room,

but there was no word spoken.

Everything was being
done, I think by,

we would refer to as telepathy.

But actually the government
doesn't consider it that,

they're calling it
thought transfers.

[eerie music]

- People think that we
gather together in dark rooms

and talk about UFOs.

So we don't do that at all.

At CIA, there are
no UFO accounts,

there are no ET accounts,
intelligence accounts

that I was aware of
when I served there.

Because of our day to
day jobs of what we did

with our regular analysis,

we detected Russian
interest in the phenomenon.

And so we do have some
sensors that can detect IR,

that's no longer classified,

that is something that you
can search for yourself

in FOIA documents,

that certain classes of
our surveillance satellites

have IR capabilities, they're
electro-optical satellites.

And with these sensors, we
also detected orbs as well,

flying over Russian airspace.

And so you might wonder,
why not US airspace?

Well, keep in mind that the
US intelligence community

does not conduct surveillance.

We do not spy over US territory.

We are a foreign
intelligence-focused agency.

So that is why we
detected it over Russia.

And so that brought
us to thinking,

well, what are these craft?

They're flying extremely fast,

they're flying extremely high,

what could it be,
could it be a threat?

So my branch, the
ELINT Analysis Branch

was assigned to eliminate, to
rule out, what it could be.

We looked at several Russian
craft, aircraft that they had,

which could fit the bill.

There's the MiG-29
and as the MiG-31.

These two are interceptors,

they're designed to fly
straight up into the sky

and then shoot down
something below them.

So we eliminated those
MiG-29s and MiG-31s.

They carried something
called stealth generator.

The stealth generator
could have created

something like an orb like
appearance to an IR sensor.

But these craft were
flying much higher

than the 123,000 foot
world record altitude

set by the MiG-31, for example.

So we eliminated that.

Subject matter experts
were then called together

at each of these agencies

by the agency that detected

the presence of these
orbs in our sensors.

That agency was the National
Geospatial Intelligence Agency.

So what they did was
they eliminated the fact

that they were Russian aircraft.

And so they went to the NRO
and tried to then find out

if there was any kind of
glitches in the satellite.

NRO, who's responsible
for the care

and feeding of these satellites
came with the report,

no, there was nothing
wrong with the satellites.

NGA also eliminated any
of the ground software

that may have been
processing these images

and, no, there are no
glitches in the software.

And so the NGA and NRO
would need to get together

and discover exactly
what are these objects

in the frames of
electro-optical imagery

that they've detected?

They gather together these
subject matter experts

and these other agencies
like CIA, like DIA,

like NSA, NRO, NGA, as
well as their contractors,

do a deep dive into exactly
what these objects might be.

And this was the
Orb Working Group.

And so a report from a
Russian general at the time,

retired now, his
name was Alexeyev.

General Alexeyev wrote
that the Russian leadership

wanted to attract these
objects using radars,

and they found a way to do so.

[eerie music]

- In 2016, my girlfriend and I

were traveling across
the Center Bridge bridge

from New Hope to
Stockton, New Jersey

and out of the corner of my
eye, I saw five orange orbs.

And so these lights just
came out of nowhere.

And at first I
was trying to see,

well, there's a
restaurant right there,

could these possibly
be Chinese lanterns?

Maybe there's a wedding going
on or something like that.

And I'm like, well, wait a
minute, no, it's February

and it's cold out
and there's no way

there's gonna be any
kind of thing like that.

So with that, I'm
fumbling to get my phone,

to try to take a picture of it.

And of course my flash
goes off of the phone

and you know, but I was
able to get one shot.

But she got a better look
at what was going on.

And these things just appeared.

There was five
lights, they appeared.

And it looked like they did a
search pattern over the river.

And then one by one,
they just petered out,

one by one and disappeared.

And I was able to get the
last one before it went away.

One of the most
incredible nights,

I could not believe

that we actually saw
something like that.

- Some people get go real
deep into the rabbit hole,

you know, as we call it,

and things tend to happen
because you get so frustrated

and you're thinking you're
working with the right people

that come out and try to
leak your little stuff,

but really they're most of the
time leaking disinformation.

And that tends to hurt that
person, getting them confused,

and they think they're
losing their mind.

And we've seen this before.

We've seen people lose really
tight knit relationships

with their wives,
married for 20, 30 years,

over them coming out and
stating they've seen the UFO,

just doing that.

And you don't see too many,
very doctors or scientists

coming out themselves talking
about this subject, either.

Or pilots, I mean, pilots
are one of the biggest,

you know, witnesses that we
have today that come out.

And the FAA tells them, you
know, report it, send it to us.

And it goes in a lockbox.

And usually some people
will even show up

and take the evidence,
they'll take,

there's a little box that
goes in every little plane

that records the radar systems,
just like in the Military.

And what they'll do
is they'll come in

and they'll take those boxes

and then make them sign an NDA,

nondisclosure agreement,

saying that they can never
talk about this stuff again,

which deters people from
reporting a UFO sighting.

And that hurts the
community in a whole,

because these people are
some of the top trained,

most have military backgrounds,

which is why they got into
flying planes like they have,

so they know what
they're seeing,

they're some of the
most credible witnesses

we have in UFO field,

and this is what's
being done to them.

They're being deterred, not
to say what they're seeing.

- Big picture does
the Pentagon know

more than they're saying?

- 100%, 100%.

And Leland, you had
George Will on earlier,

he said, it's in
our country's DNA

not to trust the government.

And this is another example why.

These are Navy pilots,

these are the top
pilots in the world.

[eerie music]

- I investigated other
sightings and incidents

that involved UFOs or ETs during
my time from 1978 to 1988.

In 1984, I was
assigned to Area 51.

The public would
call it Area 51.

It was Groom Lake
Complex in Nevada.

It was actually a
Detachment 3, Air Force test

and evaluation site, which
was the headquarters for that,

was out of Edwards
Air Force Base.

And out there while I was there,

I also had access to information
pertaining to the UFOs,

ET contacts that we had,

and actually live ETs
that we had out there.

Now, I didn't have
access to everything

pertaining to that program.

Special access programs
are very compartmented

in the military
and the government.

So you only have access

to parts of the
program, not all of it.

But I was counterintelligence
officers for the base.

And so I had to have access to
enough in order to do my job.

And one of the jobs of a
counterintelligence officer

is what the general public
refers to as disinformation.

We, United States government,

especially the
counterintelligence officers,

are trying to protect the
secrecy of what we're doing

in research and
development projects,

reverse engineering of a craft

or developing some kind of
special weapons from the craft

or some other technology.

So during our protection

of these highly
classified projects,

what we're gonna do is we're
gonna develop a program

to protect it from
a general public.

So for instance, if you're
driving along some place

close to a test range,
such as, we'll say,

Highway 95 or
Highway 93 in Nevada,

and you see something flying
out there that is exotic to you

or not known to you,

you're gonna immediately think

it's either something developed
a highly classified object

that we developed or it might
be an extraterrestrial craft.

So depending on which way the
pendulum swings, so to speak,

we'll try to convince
you one or the other,

that what you saw
is actually a UFO,

to protect the real project
that we're working on,

which is maybe a
reverse engineering.

It would be one of our crafts,

but we're trying to
convince you, it was an ET.

Now it also works
the other way around.

You see something, we
try to convince you,

when you actually see a
UFO and we know it's a UFO,

we know it's an
extraterrestrial craft,

we're gonna try to convince
you that it's one of ours.

It's something we're developing,

so you don't have to
say something about it.

Or, hey, be a patriotic American

and just be quiet
about what you saw,

don't spread it around.

[dramatic music]

- You know, we have
a lot of hope now

about disclosure, right,

you've heard about
the term disclosure.

The government has
created a, what they call,

a Unidentified Aerial
Phenomenon Task Force.

Well, what that is
going to turn out to be,

I guarantee you, is to
keep the coverup going.

And if they release information,

they're supposed to periodically
release such information,

they're housed into
the defense department.

Periodically they're
supposed to report

on findings of, they don't
call 'em the UFOs anymore,

they call 'em UAPs,
unidentified aerial phenomenon.

If they do bring up the subject

of UFOs or UAPs, in any
context, I guarantee you,

they will never
talk about Roswell,

for two reasons, two reasons.

One, it will prove that
they have been lying to us

for 75 years as we speak.

And two that they committed
civil rights violations

to cover up the case.

They will not talk
about Roswell.

They have not talked
about Roswell since 1997.

And they put out a monograph,

a book called,
"Roswell Case Closed."

They hoped it was case closed,

but it's still opened as far
as the civilian investigation,

myself and Donald
Schmidt is concerned.

- When Bill Clinton took office,

he realized immediately
when he took office,

that there was a government
within a government.

So there's a lot of deeper
things here going on

under the surface than
what we're seeing.

And again, all of those guys,

it's great that Lue
Elizondo and all those guys

are bringing this
to the forefront

and getting this information.

But again, what's happening?

Are we getting any answers?

I don't think so.

I mean, it's there, I
think, almost people

are becoming desensitized
to it as well,

because it's just a
proliferation of these sightings

that, "Oh, there's another UFO
sighting. there it is again."

You know, until something
lands on the White House lawn,

like it did in, "The Day
The Earth Stood Still"

I think it's going
to be just that,

it's gonna be an enigma,
it's gonna be ubiquitous,

it's gonna be
there all the time.

And that's what we do.

That's what we're
searching for that answer

all the time on
what it could be.

And that is the
greatest mystery,

what could it be, what is it?

And I go back to another
case, which I love

and I love to research,
was in the '50s,

the Holloman Air Force
Base, UFO landing.

And apparently a UFO had landed,

a crew was doing maneuvers

and they were
filming the maneuvers

and they had seen three
objects landing over the base.

And one seemed to
be, it was wobbly,

it was kind of like in trouble.

Well, it came down and landed
and they filmed everything.

They filmed this
thing coming out.

And just outta Close Encounters,

this thing landed, the tripod
came out, the door opened up,

three of these beings came out.

Now the description of these
guys was what made me think

that this could be a real event

because they weren't
the typical grays.

These guys had big noses,

they had weird like an African
wrap, something like a,

they said it was a communication
device on their head.

Weird, their eyes
were like ours,

but they looked like
Egyptian-like eyes,

but the pupils went like a
cats, they were up and down.

And they had like blue
fitting jumpsuits on.

And so it was just the most
interesting description

of an extraterrestrial that
you'd never heard about,

you've never heard about this.

But supposedly they have
film footage of this.

Well, what happened was
there was a film crew,

when Nixon took
office, he was going to

disclose all of the
UFO information.

He was gonna get it out
to the public and say,

"Look, this is what's going on.

"We do know that they're real."

He put a documentary
film crew together

and they were gonna
put together a video

called, "UFO's Past,
Present & Future."

They hired Robert Emenegger,
who was a director,

and he was told he could
get 600 feet of this footage

of this UFO that landed,

that they could put
into the documentary.

Well, when it came time
to go get the footage,

it mysteriously disappeared.

But apparently about
12, 13 seconds of it

made it into the documentary.

Somehow it made it
into the documentary.

And you could see
this white dot,

just coming down to the tarmac.

You know, were they trying
to get that out there?

Were they trying to say
then, "This really happened?

"Well, let's put it in a
way that we're not gonna say

"that it truly happened,
but it could have happened."

It's all of these different
things that we've gotta,

you know, kind of
like go through,

all these different layers of,

you know, I don't wanna say
lies, but yeah, lies, deception,

you know, kind of
manufacturing the truth.

And that's been the
greatest mystery,

it's like, what is the answer?

[dramatic music]

- Everything the
government does has a plan.

You can't really do
much in the government

without some sort of
an operational plan.

So when we try to protect

a technology research
and development project,

an exotic weapon
system, we plan it.

Most of the planning is
done at headquarters,

and then it filtered down

to the counter intelligence
officer at the base level.

And we implement that program
that is sent down to us.

That was my role as
counterintelligence officer.

Now there's numerous projects
and special access programs,

I've worked on, that
are still classified.

I'm not gonna hide the fact
that we United States government

knows about
extraterrestrial races,

about exotic technology that
had been given to us by ETs,

the fact that our planet
has been visited by ETs

for probably thousands of years.

Now, remember I mentioned
that we had an ET

in captivity from 1947 to 1952,

was codename EBE,
for Extraterrestrial
Biological Entity.

He was able to communicate
eventually with us.

Now, you have to
understand that an ET

is not familiar with
our technology, our
science, our time,

nothing about our society.

So it was very difficult for us

to obtain information
from him, it was a male.

Initially EBE was willing
to provide the information,

but the communications process

was very slow during
that time period.

Number one, he couldn't
speak English obviously,

and we couldn't
speak his language.

And his biology and anatomy

was highly different
from a human.

So our scientists or doctors,

our very, very smart physicians

developed an implant to
put it into his neck,

which allowed him
to say our words.

Before that he couldn't
pronounce any of our words

because of the way
his vocal chords

or his anatomy
existed in his throat.

But we developed a way to do it.

Very smart, EBE was very
smart, extremely intelligent,

and he was able to
learn number one,

our math really
easy, our language,

at least not all of it, but
enough to communicate with us

and enough to relate to us some
of the things that he could,

that was somewhat similar
on his planet to our planet.

[dramatic music]

- An officer in the Office
of the Chief Scientist

and the Directorate of Science
and Technology approached me.

This is someone I knew,
that I worked with before

in a field called
scientific visualization.

And he said, "There's
gonna be an interesting,

one-day symposium that
you might want to attend."

"It's gonna be at this hotel

and it's gonna be on this date."

There were three
topics on the agenda.

It was sponsored by
an office at CIA,

which was highly placed,

and we should have
known these topics.

These topics were the UFO
studies done by CIA in the past,

the existence of alien hybrids

and CIA's interest in
alien hybridization

of the human genome.

And the third topic was about

an information technology
explosion that will happen

where this information will
be disseminated very rapidly

with devices that
were not yet invented,

far better than any of
the cell phones we had

back in the day.

This was the first time

where I actually got
an official briefing

on anything to do with UFOs.

And in the briefing,

it was stated that the
McMinnville, Oregon UFO

was an actual UFO.

The briefer said
a lot of the UFOs

seen during the '50s and '60s,

when CIA was testing
its aircraft,

that is the U-2 and
the A-12 OXCART,

they were identified as UFOs
by observers on the ground

because the test
craft were silver.

They were not black, there
were not black planes at all,

during the testing
phase, they were silver.

So when you see something
streaking across the sky

at 70,000 or 80,000
feet, that was silver,

a lot of observers thought
that they were UFOs.

And CIA thought back then that,

"Okay, that's fine, if
they identify them as UFOs,

that's just hiding
in plain sight

these special aircraft
that we were working on,

we don't care if they
identify it as UFOs."

And so the McMinnville
UFO was a real UFO

that occurred in 1950
before the first U-2 flew.

- Speaking about the government
report that they put out,

I believe it was June
25th of last year,

that report unfortunately
was not historical in nature.

They only covered
cases since 2014,

namely these gun
videos of the Navy.

It did not have any
Air Force cases.

And it was only limited to
114 cases that they looked at.

They couldn't explain,

113 of them, were
still unexplainable.

The one that they could explain,

turned out to be a weather
balloon, of all things.

So the other thing about this
whole phenomenon since 2017,

is that the Air Force
has said nothing,

it's all been a Navy show.

And this UAP Task Force that
they're putting together

is a Navy CIA thing, the Air
Force is not mentioned at all.

And that's where
all the cases are,

the historical cases,
Roswell, Rendlesham Forest,

the other good one, they
didn't even look at those

because they would have to
admit too much suppression,

too many laws that they
broke to suppress those,

especially Roswell.

The Air Force has not
spoken since 1997,

which was the 50th anniversary
of the Roswell case.

- So all the way back when
Roswell first occurred,

the newspapers
put a headline out

and stating the truth of
what actually occurred.

The rancher came forward,
being a good citizen,

thinking he was doing
the right thing,

but immediately the day after,

actually within
the same 24 hours,

the narrative was changed.

And this guy was made to sign

this non-disclosure agreement.

He was held for six days,
almost a whole week,

being tortured and
talked to in ways

to not describe what
happened on his ranch.

When he was released, we
know he was paid money,

he showed up in a brand new
truck a couple weeks later.

And he never spoke
about it again.

Now there's a lot of people,

and he wishes he never
went back and told anybody

about what happened.

He says this to this day,
well, until he passed away.

But now who was
to blame for this?

Who are we gonna go after?

Should they be paid
for their losses

and everything that they've
went through and lost?

It might not happen
because these people

are so into the black market
and so deep into the government

that we can't even
get FOIA requests out

because they're in private
industries doing this work.

So it's hard to find who is
really responsible for this.

Does the president
know about this?

I don't believe so,

because he only does
it four-year term,

it gets done again,
it's a full eight years.

So would they really
debrief him on all this?

I don't really think so.

So I think it goes way
deeper than the president.

And I believe it
goes into the CIA

and little private
industries like this,

where they can do this work
and not have to answer for it.

Because this happens all the
time with every kind of thing,

not even just the UFO
phenomenon, they do this with.

Even if they do
disclose everything,

I don't think everybody
will be given the respect

that they deserve back because
it is so deep like this.

People have gone down this
rabbit hole many times

and they come out on the
dark side in all this,

because they know that
they'll never win.

And it's a shame because
it shouldn't be like that.

We live in a free
world where, you know,

it's free speech,
we're allowed to vote.

We should be able to know, we
pay these people in Congress

and our government to work
for us, to speak for us,

to do things to help this
country move forward.

Yet we're stumped when we get

this intelligence thing going on

where they wanna hide
everything all the time.

I don't think we'll
ever fully get

a full disclosure from the
government, in my opinion.

I just think that if they did
that, it would ruin religion,

it would ruin the government
and the oil products

that we get from overseas.

And that's what the government
does, they hide stuff.

If it was a religion aspect,

people would not know what
to believe in anymore.

They believed all their lives

about a Christian, Catholic,
you know, whatever it is.

And then you come down
to hearing that aliens,

other life out there, I
mean, that can ruin a person.

But see if the government
came out long ago

and disclosed this,
like they should have,

we wouldn't have these
problems or these issues today.

[dramatic music]

- Based on what he could
eventually explain to us

and what we could teach him,

we found that he's
been visiting earth

or his species been
visiting earth,

or our solar system I should
say, for about 2,000 years.

So that of course brings
up the big question

that people ask is,
"Wow, was he here

around the time Jesus was here?"

Now that's a very touchy,
conversational piece

to talk to the general public,

especially somebody
who's religious.

If they think that ET
planted a being on earth,

2,000 years ago, immediately
they're gonna think

it was Jesus.

And was Jesus preaching,
not the gospel, so to speak,

but their gospel
or their belief.

One thing we did find,
which is astonishing

was that, although EBE
didn't talk about a God,

he talked about a supreme being,

and they did worship
a supreme being,

similar to the way we
worship God or Muhammad

or other religions.

He showed us something in
the craft that related,

it was a figurine that
they would worship,

similar to what we would
worship a sculpture or something

of God or Jesus.

And there's other things that
he was able to explain to us

that we found in their craft.

Now, you gotta understand
that their technology

was probably 50,000
years ahead of us.

So we couldn't understand
their technology.

It was difficult sometimes,

for him to understand
our technology,

different planet,
different species.

And so we taught him what we
could from our civilization

and he taught us what
he could from his.

- I mean, you know,
going back to, you know,

the Mercury Theater in the era

and what was that, that was
the Orson Welles' adaptation

of H. G. Wells'
"War of the Worlds."

So, "War of the Worlds" what
was that supposed to be?

Well, all of a sudden aliens
landed, Martians landed,

in Grovers Mill, New Jersey.

And, you know, what was
stated in the newspapers

and what actually happened
were two different things.

You know, they were
supposedly, you know,

there was mass panic,
there was people

that were like going crazy

and there was just
mass bedlam everywhere.

Well, that never happened,
it never happened.

But news made it happen.

It was fake news back then.

And as a matter of
fact, Frank Stanton,

who basically he
was the, I think,

the president of
Princeton, New Jersey,

and this was the Mercury
Theater of the era,

and that adaptation was funded

by the Rockefeller Foundation.

And what happened
was Frank Stanton

was upset that they
weren't causing the panic

that they were hoping the
cause, you know, through that.

Even though every half hour,

the radio would come on and say,

"This is an adaptation of H.G.
Wells' War of the Worlds."

But what the news
stated at that time,

that there was like mass
bedlam happening and craziness.

But it's just amazing to me

how you can have two
different opinions

of an event that took place.

And, one that really happened.

and one that really
didn't happen.

You know, this could be,

it's manufactured
news at that point.

You know, it could
be manufactured

to suit the needs
of a certain few

and keep everybody
on their toes.

Because again, what did we
have going on around that time?

World War II.

So I always think about
that and think to myself,

wow, you know, it's like,

there were two very
different things going on.

And we're just finding out
what the real story is today.

- If was just the craft,

I think the government
would readily disclose that.

And yes, there were outer
space beings on the craft,

I think the government would
disclose that eventually.

But the fact that
these beings had DNA

that was found in
the human genome,

I think that is the
actual secret of Roswell.

I think that is a core
secret of why the government

will not talk about Roswell.

All humans are in fact
alien DNA enhanced,

but others were more
enhanced than most humans.

And that these more
enhanced humans

were of particular
interest to CIA.

Now, I didn't put it
all together back then,

but now I believe that this
is part of the Roswell story

that was never told,

that whatever
craft was recovered

and that whoever the
occupants were in that craft,

that when the scientists

were able to sequence
the human genome

and then went back at
CIA to look at the genome

of any recovered alien beings,

they were surprised to find

that what the alien DNA looked
like was also in humans.

But this was the way
I connected the dots,

because I wanted to understand

exactly what Roswell
was all about.

Why is it such a secret that
a spacecraft from outer space

crashed and there may have
been occupants on board,

why is that such
a military secret?

Of course you can say
it was the Cold War.

But the Cold War has
been over since 1991,

when the Soviet Union fell.

And still there's this
secrecy over Roswell,

that particular incident

that the government
has never addressed.

- So we, the United
States government,

knew of some instances where
we had captured a hybrid.

We took him into
captivity, so to speak,

because we knew that
this person was a hybrid.

It was a male, he had
been bred in a tube,

at a facility that we
later found out about.

Examining this person,

both physiologically
and biologically,

taking blood samples
and tissue samples,

our scientists came
to the conclusion

that this person was
in fact a hybrid.

- The Roswell crash,

according to our investigation
of over 30 years,

contained five crew members

or Extraterrestrial
Biological Entities,

as they like to be called.

Four of them expired
when the ship blew up,

on July the 2nd,
1947, we believe.

One survived the crash and lived

for a number of
years, post-crash.

We don't know
exactly when it died,

but the information we
have is that it expired

during some experiment they
were doing with it or on it.

And according to
a former commander

of the Air Materiel Command

at Wright-Patterson
Air Force Base,

who on his deathbed said
that they were stored

at the Dugway Proving Grounds,
which is a lot like Area 51.

That the beings that
all five of them

were being stored at
Dugway Proving Grounds,

near Ogden, Utah.

It's been recently speculated

that one of the
reasons for the coverup

was that the beings
contained DNA of some sort

that showed human traits,
homo sapiens traits.

I believe the fossil
record is fairly clear

of our evolutionary track.

Where something like
this DNA hypothesis,

sharing human
genes of some sort,

you have to have more than
just speculation on that.

- I think, you know, as
far as the hybrid situation

and monitoring what we're doing

and what the extraterrestrials
could possibly be.

I mean, one conjecture
was, was really incredible,

was could they be
us from the future?

And I thought that was
brilliant, you know,

'cause that's what
they actually thought

when they did this
research in Roswell,

that they thought maybe
they were time travelers,

they were time travelers and
they were us from the future.

- The study about time
compression is very interesting.

For 30 years of my 31 years
investigation of Roswell,

I never considered
where they were from,

they the occupants
of the spaceship,

where they might have been from.

So along about a
year or two ago,

I interviewed the two sons of
one of the Paperclip Germans

who were brought over
after World War II,

a rocket scientist,

you know, Wernher von
Braun and his crew.

Well, second in command of these
Paperclip rocket scientists

was a fella named
Ernst Steinhoff.

So it was extra temporal
according to Ernst Steinhoff.

Well, I know they can't
get here from there

because it's the space time
continuum in the universe,

it's too great.

But they had to compress
the space time continuum

to maybe jump from
one to the other,

without having to spend a
thousand years to get here.

This Navy commander, who's
name was George Hoover,

he was on Wernher von Braun's,

he was in his group
studying UFOs and Roswell

and things like that.

Well, you know,
Roswell was a crash

of a ship from somewhere else.

Oh, you know, you figure,
"Oh, well, Alpha Centauri,

what, you know, where
are you talking about?"

He says, "No, no, no, it
was not extraterrestrial,

it was extratemporal,
time travelers."

[planet exploding]

[gentle music]

- So when you look
at the UFO phenomenon

and we wonder there's
some explanations

of why they might be here,

and some hypothesis
that people have made.

Now, when you look at it
here on earth as humans,

we tag cows, we look at
different biological specimens

under the microscope
and we log them,

we figure out what's going
on, we've run tests on them.

We do this kind of
stuff with animals

so we can learn from it.

We've had aspect in
thinking of the fact that

it's a big possibility that

that's what they're
here to do with us.

So just like we treat cattle

and we tag them on
their ear with a number,

they kept here to be here
doing the same exact thing.

What do you think that
implant is in somebody's body,

after they've had an
experience with the UFO?

That's the same thing
that we're doing.

And that's what a lot
of people think here.

I mean, this is a
big possibility of
what's happening here

because it's not only
people being abducted

in say yours or my generation,

this goes on generational,
this is a generational thing.

I've talked to people
that have had cousins

and brothers and grandmothers

and their fathers
have had experiences.

And it runs in the family.

We also talk about
Rh negative blood.

That is a bloodline
that has just popped up

out of nowhere within science.

We have no idea,
it's the only one,

we have no idea where
it came from in life.

It just appeared one time and
it's been here ever since.

And we try to think
maybe is it a possibility

that we have hybrids here?

Are these the people
that are being taken,

that are having
these experiences?

It's a great possibility.

So don't just look into the
one little aspect of it,

look at it all, get the
bigger picture, take it in

and understand what
you're looking at.

Then you can be
intelligent enough

to go and have a
conversation with somebody,

to learn from somebody else

and actually know what
you're talking about.

Don't take the short way up

because it's good to
have this information

and know what's going on.

'Cause it's happening.

The government
wouldn't be involved,

like I said many times before,

if it wasn't a real phenomenon.

- And I think for the
skeptics out there

that are saying, "Oh, you know,
we need definitive proof."

I think the proof is there.

Look at the amount of video
that these people are getting.

Yeah, there's a number
that could be faked,

but there's a lot of really,

really compelling
evidence there.

Listen to people's stories,
look at their body movements.

Look at the way
they're emotionally

talking about these events
that happened in their life,

that they can't explain.

You can't fake that kind of
like, that human emotion there.

So when I hear skeptics say,

"Well, you know, there's
no such thing as UFOs,

there's no such
thing as Bigfoot."

Sorry, we've had
evidence, we've seen it.

I've had experiences myself.

People that are
high up in society,

that are classy, good people,

they had these experiences
that they can't explain.

And so to the skeptics
I say, you know,

really look at the proof,
look, there is proof there.

You just have to dig deep.

I was on the fence
with the belief

that people were
getting abducted.

Like the few people that
I really truly believe

that were abducted, and
I've interviewed them too,

incredible, was well,
Kathleen Marden,

whose aunt was Betty Hill.

Betty and Barney Hill.

I really truly believe

that they seriously
had that abduction

that happened to them.

Another gentleman that I
talked to Calvin Parker,

he was the Pascagoula
UFO encounter in 1973,

where him and Charlie
Hickson were abducted

and taken aboard of UFO.

And they were also examined.

And the aliens that came out
there did not look like grays,

they looked like robots.

And very, very strange account.

And Calvin is the
most down-to-earth guy

and has not wavered from
the story since 1973.

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- I found it very interesting
that Avril Haines,

the director of
National Intelligence,

the head of the entire
intelligence community

and the NASA
administrator, Bill Nelson,

appeared together at
The National Cathedral,

when were discussing
our future in space.

And they made some very
telling revelations.

For example, was the
first time in my memory,

where a sitting head of
the intelligence community

of the United States spoke
the word extraterrestrially

in the context of
these UAP craft.

I believe that's an
important step forward

of building a bridge to
actually revealing to the world

and to the US citizen, exactly
what happened at Roswell,

what's happening
now over our skies.

So I have high hopes
about the coming years

as we approach the 75th
anniversary of Roswell,

that the government
will finally come clean

as to what exactly is
this phenomenon all about.

Who are flying the craft?

Where do they come from?

Are they part of our hidden
past, that we've forgotten?

Can they then correlated to,
for example, religious texts

that describe a creation story

where god or gods, were
able to create humans,

made in their image?

I have high hopes that
2022 will be the year

where we start making
that first step

toward revealing
the actual truth.

- And one of the last
things I want to discuss

is disclosure, the disclosure.

The question is,
will we ever know?

Will the government ever
tell everything they know

about the subject of UFOs?

My answer to that
is, absolutely not.

There's no way that
we, as a society,

will be told everything

the government knows
or known since 1947.

There's numerous reasons why

the government can't
tell the truth.

Number one, research
and development.

They're never gonna tell
us everything they know

about what they've learned.

Number two, about alien
technology, human hybrids,

has the ETs manipulated
the human DNA?

They're not gonna
talk about that.

Now, will they say,
"Yeah, we might be visited

or what these objects you're
seeing is not terrestrial."

Maybe.

Nut that generates more
questions than answers.

So my personal belief,
and I know I'm contrary

to some other people
like Lue Elizondo,

is that, no, I don't think
we'll ever get full disclosure.

- This fellow from Harvard
Avi Loeb, two years ago,

there was a, I thought
it was an asteroid

passing through
the solar system,

but he thought it was a
spaceship of some sort,

which I would, you know,
say put outta my mind,

except he's from Harvard.

He a Harvard physicist.

And he came up with a theory

that it was a long trajectory
probe of some sort.

So he's created a project
called the Galileo Project

and they're launching another,

the Webb telescope is
been launched again.

They're getting an unfettered
view of the universe.

So they will be able to
see the chemical elements

of stars and planets
and things like that.

Plus everything is clearer

than what you get from a
telescope down on the earth.

Because they're coming up
with more Earth-like planets,

every month, they come
up with another one.

I forget what the total is now,

but this one star, 41 light
years away, has seven of them,

seven Earth-like planets.

And the universe
there has to be,

as Carl Sagan would say,

"Billions and billions
of Earth-like planets."

And that's, according
to scientists,

you have to have an
Earth-like planet with water

to have life.

I expect some
startling announcement

within the next five
years along those lines.

Not just, "Oh, there's so
many Earth-like planets."

I expect a little more
definition to come
within five years.

Certainly a report from
the government soon

about what they are collecting

and that what everybody
suspects the UAPs really are.

- 200 years ago, would
you people would think

that we could
actually see on a box,

we could see other people on
this box in our living room

or talk to people from vast
distances around the globe,

on our phones, or, you know,
or through a telephone.

That would've been
absolute like, you know,

would've been
witchcraft, you know,

it would've been like out of
the realm of people's thinking.

But look at where we are
today, look at the technology.

So keeping an open
mind, I think,

is really, really important to
everything that we talk about

in the paranormal world.

'Cause I always say

that there's always a bit
of truth to the folklore.

Keep an open mind.

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- We hear people all the time
when they report cases say,

"I think I'm going crazy, I
think I'm losing my mind."

You know what I mean?

"But I saw this and I had
to report it to somebody."

And we tell 'em all the time,

listen, it happens all the
time, you know what I mean?

People see things all the time.

And most things can be
explained, don't get me wrong.

We have a statistics,

it's about 94% of
things can be explained

and there's 6% that
cannot be explained.

And that 6% is what makes
the phenomenon real.

People always say, "Well,
how do we know this is real

and not just the
government technology?"

Well, let's look at it this way,

if you look at the millions
and millions of cases

that have been reported to
MUFON and other organizations,

all it takes is one
of them to be real

for this phenomenon
to be a true thing.

So that's how we have to
look at it on the scale.

And then if you really
know your astronomy

and you know how
big the universe is

and how big the galaxy is,

you'll realize that
we're just a small spec

in a huge, huge ocean.

- So I expect something
definitive, something startling,

something solid to come
from the telescopes

and the science
that's behind it.

And hopeful that the government
in their projects now

that the they're known
around the world,

they can't hide them anymore.

They have to come out
with something solid

and not couched in words

that just turn out
to be gobbledygook

to keep the cover up going.

That's what I'm hoping
for is some transparency

because the world
is ready for it,

the world is ready for it.

You don't know what the
future's going to hold.

Try those open doors.

- I firmly believe not
in the need to know.

I think the need to know
is outdated, it's outmoded.

I believe in the need to share.

- There's so many skeptics.

There's so many people
that are backstabbers

against legitimate researchers
within the UFO community

that the skeptics
are everywhere.

And so I always say this,

we have to ask the
right questions.

If we ask the right questions
that generates thought.

And thinking by smart people

will sometimes answer
those questions

without us having to go
through a FOIA request,

which we know that the
government's not gonna give

if they don't wanna give.

So one of the things
that you have to do,

even if you're just beginning
in this subject area of UFOs,

is ask the questions,
ask the right questions,

do the right research

and you might get
the right answers.

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