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what exactly would you do if someone

injected you tomorrow with a vial of

cancer and you suddenly had stage 3

cancer and you had the financial

resources and the time and you could do

anything you want and your only interest

was to regain your health what exactly

what would be the steps so the actions

that you personally based on all your

knowledge what would you exactly do

first thing we do is our medical team

would do biofilm testing to see what

parts of my body were affected

I would then determine with our whole

team which type of supplementation that

we would target to it we're using a rare

form of advanced vitamin D out of Europe

now that people can self inject also I

would be telling myself to do

hyperthermia even more than I do daily

365 days a year

I'm an asana as I was this morning as

I'll be tomorrow morning and the work is

overwhelming on hyperthermia and you can

do it in a sauna you don't have to go

and get you know anti convulsion

medicine and heat it up why we know that

one of my colleagues did the work here

under the NIH back twenty five years ago

and said sure you can heat the body up

six degrees one day a week but you can

also get into a sauna with cancer an

hour or more a day seven days a week and

get more benefit from that one I would

also eat like a saint why this food

works cooked food kills the

phytochemicals the phytochemicals are

completely absolutely alive in these

plant organic plants that we use look at

the brilliant work out of the Linus

Pauling Institute by one of our

colleagues who's on our online faculty

David Williams look at his work I would

also get into the Seetha psychotherapist

as positive as I think I am there's got

to be something that I can resolve we

can keep working working working we see

major breakthroughs when people come

through our advanced psychotherapy

departments and then I would use

electromagnetic therapies tomorrow my

whole conference is about the future of

Medicine

and energy and when you start to look at

what we have learned over the 40 years

that we've been employing the suit

Epocrates I assure you this will be

something all physicians will use in the

very near future so I won't be

frightened because I've seen what can

heal cancer you know we we don't have a

health care system we have a disease

care system and when you really think

about it who wants to care for their

disease you really want to care for that

know you want to care for your health

and you need to change your attitude how

you're gonna do that so the first step

if I now got that diagnosis that I have

breast cancer or ovarian cancer or liver

cancer whatever I might here now is to

take a step back and say that I'm not

going to rush into treatment I probably

have had this for the last 20 years so

it didn't happen overnight and even like

ty said they put fear into you you're

gonna die tomorrow unless you do what

they say that's not gonna happen and if

it happens hey then we go but then we go

no anyway yeah exactly

so the thing is that we need to take a

step back and look into how many people

are in this field I mean we're all in

this here in this panel to give you

ideas about how you can treat yourself

in a healthy way and in an ethical way

there is like we said most research is

whoever paid for the research is going

to get the results so there's a lot of

quack in science unfortunately and we

read all the scientific journal and we

do get a lot out of them a lot of them

come our way a lot of them prove what

we've done practically theoretically and

that's wonderful when we get those

answers because we kind of have more not

meat on the bone but we have more

vegetables on the bones that we can

that we can share with our guests and

and have more confidence to our

confidence comes from 63 years of doing

it not not so much us 4845 for me and

I'm a little bit younger than Brian and

and you know we have to have fun when

this diagnosis come that we have cancer

we need to be you're surrounded by

people that support us instead like Pam

said most our family member will say or

whatever you do you can go to

Hippocrates but first you have to do all

the treatments do all the chemo do all

of that then you can do whatever you

want and by the time they come to us

they're so broken

they are so broken their immune system

is so low their white and red blood

count is down to silt we are worried

about them catching infections from

somebody who sneezes that's what's been

left after all the treatments so it's

all about health care it's a different

deal

I think if I was diagnosed with cancer

the first thing that I would do is the

take a deep breath which I think is what

we're all saying and begin looking at

evidence for various options on the

table

and I think it's really important and I

talk about this every day so I'm

assuming that I try to follow my own

advice than everyday living so I'm

assuming I would probably do that here

too

it's really important not to throw the

baby out with the bathwater and to not

try to join a camp that's what people do

in health care and people ask me you

know are you a holistic doctor are you a

naturopathic doctor this you know I'm a

I'm an evidence-based practitioner and I

don't like the labels because there are

good things to be pulled from all

branches of medicine and when you're

trying to pick a camp to be in you

ignore the goodness that can be taken

from other branches so so I think what I

would do is start by looking into all of

the options to see we see what are the

options and

and what is the benefit and what are the

risks of all of them and I just wrote an

article on this topic not too long ago

that if you if you look at the medical

research and you look at data on

survivors Kelly Turner wrote a great

book radical remission that documented

the success what what how a thousand

cancer patients stayed alive if you look

at what these people have all done

they've used a lot of different

approaches and in many instances its

approaches borrowed from many forms of

medicine so chemotherapy isn't all bad

like ty said you know sometimes you have

to shrink something to get clear margins

to take it out and by the way surgery is

not all bad since 1850 we've been taking

contain tumors out by the way the magic

1850 is because we had sterile operating

rooms and anesthesia which were the two

things you need to be able to do that so

we have over 150 years of taking

localized cancers out with pretty good

results and sometimes you have to shrink

it before you can do it at the same time

you can't ignore nutrition you can't

ignore the psychological aspects so I

think that my treatment plan would be a

result of taking things from a number of

different branches of Medicine the

combination of which would make sense to

me and and then starting yeah so if I

were diagnosed today I probably wouldn't

be doing anything until maybe the end of

March and we're beginning to end of

March sometime in March where I would be

starting whatever I was doing in

addition to eating well I could like

really clean eating I'm pretty clean

eater now but I would probably you know

disavow anything not good for me at that

point so that's that's what I would do

and I think that leads to the best

outcome because the and one thing I'll

say too I think that patients have to

have a lot of confidence in what they're

doing because I've actually seen

patients decide to do something that

doesn't have a very high efficacy rate

and then I wouldn't do and it came out

great because they thought it was going

to come out great I have a good friend

who did chemo 30 years ago and he asked

me I said I wouldn't do it but he felt

like he should still alive today and a

lot of that and my

is because he wanted to live he intended

to live he thought this would cause him

to live and some sometimes that brings

it about and I'm not talking about

wishing your health to get better but I

do think that that psychological

component in terms of confidence in your

treatment is important it's a really

tough question because I'm to be honest

I don't know what I would do I think I

but the first thing I would do is take a

huge deep breath as you said I'm gonna

kind of answer the question and then

roundabout way first of all it's so many

different types of cancer and gosh I

mean give me a type and I'll answer it

and I'll figure it out but even then but

um

I think most importantly that I'm gonna

kind of speak because I'm not a

scientist I'm not a physician I'm an

artist and a journalist and a filmmaker

but I've met a lot of cancer patients in

my time and I have had members of the

family that have been hit with it as

well both before I knew what I knew and

after but I think when you get hit like

I think you said it best Pam right is

that I've seen as consistently as that

people that have a try to have a good

attitude about it are the fighters the

ones that are really willing to stand up

to this thing and go the extra mile or

generally just the attitude alone they

tend to do better than the ones that are

kind of cynical at heart all the world's

against me they're just kind of like

they're not the fighter type and

honestly it's really strange I've

noticed this is maybe a little too

abstract but on the diagnosis side so

often I've found that it's a there's

also a similar personality type but them

again I don't like it too far down this

road but so you have the ability and

willingness to fight first of all and

then secondly there's not really any one

route instead kind of a moving target at

all times and it's a marathon especially

if it's like a really intense big one

like it's all over the body you're

talking about a marathon like I have a

family member that got hit with this

pretty bad case female I'll say and I

want to like give her up right now but

it was bad and even Pierzynski took a

look and one who oh my god you know

she's gonna have before I can go near

this she's gonna have to go through this

as you said earlier you got to get this

down to some manageable sizes before we

could even think about going in here so

you know she went through the chemo

route she went through the surgery route

but it's also learning how to be the

boss you're the patient you're the boss

so if you're a contract or hiring

somebody to build your house you may not

know how to lay bricks you may not know

how to build a pool but you're still the

boss you're the one calling the shots

there's oncologists work for you you're

not working for them

so going back to the fear factor that

kind of sets in you just got to remember

that and take charge and again I know

it's kind of a challenging thing you're

like this is a brand new thing and if

you're not like one of us that are kind

of familiar with this it's a scary thing

to navigate so that being said like with

this one person they were told this

person was told oh you're gonna get a

colostomy bag you're not gonna you know

surgery you know like new no you're not

so we managed one chain as we managed to

navigate this system and go through

other ways and rearrange some of the

things they wanted to do and make our

own decisions when we took the reins and

this person is now tumor free I would

not say cure from one of the most Varian

cancer devastating 98% recurrence rate

this person probably shouldn't be alive

today to be honest but we did

traditional coming from Eric guy that

made Pierzynski they went the

traditional route surgery radiation but

then we found a really cool oncologist

mainstream that was willing to be

open-minded willing to listen to us and

we did a series of immunotherapies

and we also did some gene targeted

therapy and I think it's the irony it is

not lost on me and the man that's

basically wrote the book on cancer as a

metabolic disease there's a kind of a

dogmatic fight you know there are people

that believe in the metabolic and

there's a lot of truth people that

believe in the genetic maybe a lot of

truth I don't know I don't pretend to

know I'm not an expert I think it's

important to be open-minded and look at

it all and not have any dogmatic

viewpoints but um so what we did is had

her biopsies tested because of my

experience would present skin the

genetics side so one thing I would say

we could probably have a separate talk

about why maybe this is a good idea

maybe why it has a direct relationship

to metabolism having nothing to do with

genes it's not really it's important is

that you are capable and we couldn't

comment on that if you want but we are

capable

of getting our biopsies tested for the

supposedly alleged genetic mutation that

may or may not be involved with it and

there are drugs including the chemo

therapeutic drugs that aren't even gene

targeted quote-unquote may not even be a

cancer medication that have been known

in clinical trial data to allegedly

affect these genes so that's what we're

doing now we got through the hideousness

of the surgery and radiation pretty

clean considering no long-lasting side

effects of where you're noticing and and

some really progressive immunotherapy

and of course obviously the lifestyle

changes that's all a given and some gene

targeted therapies so this person hasn't

been on any traditional medication like

what I mean traditional chemo or

radiation in two years and sure enough a

recurrence hit the 98% recurrence rate

anyway but rarely does anyone get tumor

free a second time after stage four a

barian sheis tumor for a second time so

that's kind of where we're at so what am

i point of telling this whole long story

is is so different and I think it's

important not to be put in this box and

remember that because it's often you get

hit with the disease and the oncologist

says oh you got blue uh page 396 you get

this they treat you like a number and

that's what everybody here but see

here's trying to tell you that um it's

not so easy it's hard answer it's a good

question see but it's just so hard to

answer because I I don't know what I'd

do all I can do is kind of tell you what

I've seen others do but be prepared for

a marathon and be prepared for the fight

if this hits you or a loved one and B

don't just you know as Pam said and as

everybody said don't take the first

advice you hear take a breath just look

around try to navigate the system

you are in charge not that oncologist so

you have a brain also that can do their

own research as well so

well yeah this is an interesting

question people always ask me you know

what are you gonna do if you get cancer

well I know what I need to do and a lot

of what was said here is absolutely

Vasiliy spot-on it's say you have to

know you have to have a tool if you know

the tool if you know what if you know

what's driving the disease then you know

how to manage the disease let me tell

you the mitochondria and cancer is

screwed up what that means is they have

to ferment there's only two fuels in the

body that can supply the energy for the

growing tumor cell and that is glucose

and glutamine now it sounds simple it's

easy to target glucose it's not so easy

to target glutamine for what Brian said

the immune system uses glutamine so if

you're going to target glutamine you've

got to be very careful about harming

your own immune system the other issue

is that all metastatic cancers are the

majority of them our part are the immune

system people in the scientific field

are grappling with this which means that

our own immune system is the metastatic

cancer cell they use glutamine okay and

our normal immune system uses glutamine

so how are we going to kill this guy if

the very cells we need to get rid of

them are also using the same fuel

there's no question about what Brian

said you have to maintain you have to

kill the cell strategically without

harming the normal cells of the body so

what we have is this you have a strategy

you know what the cells are eat at

because without energy nothing lives so

we take the energy away from the growing

tumor cell transition the body over to a

fuel that the tumor cells generally

use which are ketone bodies and then we

strategically go after the glutamine but

we pulse and press so we actually and I

don't know of a diet yet that can target

glutamine there's many diets that can

target glucose but glutamine you have to

be very careful about so weary weary

this is cutting-edge now we're even

thinking about adding glutamine back

they're very fuel that the tumor cell

needs to use after we use certain kinds

of low-dose drugs to hammer the tumor

cells and slowly degrade them I agree

with what everybody said here going to

the Hippocrates Health Institute and

implant and inches and using these

combinatorial therapies while

maintaining the health of the body seems

to be a very logical way to do this one

of the things that I would not do ever

is take chemo because what is the

purpose of chemo it's to kill

proliferating cancer cells right this is

why they do it they do use radiation why

to kill proliferating cancer cells but

if you pull the plug on their energy

they're gonna die they're gonna die just

as if you were used chemo so why use

chemo when you can pull the plug on

there any the problem is that's a bigger

the biggest problem is that the medical

community doesn't know about this I feel

bad the physicians that I speak to the

oncologists are always shocked when you

tell them this because they never heard

of it they're not trained in medical

school to these people are not bad

people good people they're trying to

help their patients the problem is they

just simply don't understand the biology

of the disease they're treating this is

sad and nutrition does play a massive

role so when someone says oh nutrition

eco-home and eat whatever you want

that's misinformation that's not

accurate information

it's a combinatorial issue it's a body

disease you have to maintain the health

of your body while you strategically

eliminate the tumor cells and you can do

this and we're on the cutting edge of

doing this but I'm not going to say that

we have a blueprint that we

the only thing I can say is that we've

looked at every kind of a cancer and

they're all the same there's not breast

cancer brain cancer bladder cancer colon

cancer they're all the same they're all

fermenters they're all the same because

we know that okay we've done this we've

looked at this so we know what their

vulnerability is what we have not yet

done is we have not yet perfected dosage

timing and scheduling and I think what

what Hippocrates does and other

Institute's like this and there is going

to be more by the way because we're

working on on clinics that want to

target and kill cancer cells without

toxicity to the rest of the body based

on an understanding of what the

fundamental issue of the disease

actually is and it's very rarely going

to involve radiation and chemo and

another thing about the immunotherapy is

that you hear about that you hear on TV

every night you don't see the papers

that show that this stuff is also can

kill you very quickly there's a paper

that just came out in JAMA you get hyper

progressive disease from some of these

and you know it's very strange because

people think well I'm gonna go in for

any immunotherapy and you know Steve

Allen from Microsoft passed away very

recently died in two weeks after

starting the treatment Nordstrom Blake

Nordstrom of the Nordstrom department

store physicians very optimistic dead

and two weeks after starting these

treatments so let me tell you no one

dies in two weeks from metabolic therapy

I can tell you that

before we go on more than 35 years ago

we determined that sugar was feeding

cancer not because we had a brain trust

of researchers that Hippocrates but the

forms of cancer that were visible to us

when people were consuming large amounts

of fruit were growing and so we did a

little test and we took away all the

fruit and saw remiss in about 18 cases

so we wiped fruit out of the diet

initially for cancer then eventually for

other diseases and so we had been doing

this for many decades and a few years

ago we had a major medical conference a

research conference and Thomas came and

he sat down with me and he said why do

you do that I said because it helps

cancer says do you want me to show you

why that works and remember we sat at

the table and he showed me on a paper

exactly how fruit sugar feeds cancer

more than any other form of sugar

because it metabolizes in the body like

a fat no other sugar metabolizes like a

fat it actually makes you fat so what an

eye-opener for the man I admire the most

probably in history there's been nobody

who knows more about cancer than Thomas

so give him another hands

and I want to I want to follow up all of

these I'm really impressed with all the

answers and following up dr. C Frieden

and then Brian I'm gonna be a lot less

technical because I don't want you to be

able to compare but I'm gonna make it

more a little more simple what I would

do is this in and Stephen preface the

question if somebody injected you with a

cancer virus what would you do right

well they tried to do that if you

remember back in the early 60s it was in

New Orleans right before Kennedy was

assassinated Alton Ochsner who was head

of one of the American Cancer

something's had dr. Mary Sherman working

for him and they were trying to

weaponize cancer through the form of a

virus that they could then kill Castro

with she was she didn't was killed and

it's been put into a book called dr.

Mary's monkey I don't know if you've

ever read that but if you haven't it's

worth reading but it's all about the

terrain so if I were injected with a

cancer virus if your if your internal

terrain is healthy then you will fight

the virus and I'm not saying that cancer

is a virus I'm just using that analogy I

mean it's the same reason that you know

Ann Marie's mentioned that some people

and their clinic gets so sick from the

treatments that just you don't want to

sneeze on them because their immune

systems so compromised right it's all

about the terrain it's about the immune

system it's about your internal terrain

that's why you know during quote flu

season and everybody's getting the flu

largely from the vaccine and they go to

school and like there's a school class

with 30 kids and 15 of them get sick and

the others don't why is that flu virus

isn't any different that they were

exposed to 15 of them had an immune

system that fought it off their internal

terrain was healthier and by the way the

flu lavalla vaccine one of the most

popular flu vaccines flu live all it

says on the package insert has not been

shown to prevent the flu by the way so

we should start reading package inserts

okay it has not been shown to prevent

the flu but it's really just about

keeping your internal terrain healthy

and one of the things that Pam said was

it let's not try to categorize

treatments in Asia we just went to Asia

they don't think of it as I'm gonna use

one traditional treatment one

homeopathic one nature of ethic and then

one Ayurvedic they say let's figure out

what works for the patient and they use

it it's they don't compartmentalize the

medicines as a matter of fact countries

like Japan and the Philippines and

Taiwan and I believe Malaysia have laws

in place that say doctors can use

anything that they deem is efficacious

for their patient very different than

here very different and I believe in

India yeah in India homeopathy is

officially recognized as a treatment by

the Indian government it's you can get

you can go to their oncological Wars and

get chemo if you want you can also get

homeopathy so they don't think of it as

in these boxes or in these categories

it's just what works for the patient and

another thing that I think it was family

mentioned it was it's the mental state

all right it's the belief I don't I

can't I just interviewed over 60 doctors

in in these Asian countries almost every

one of them said the power of belief is

so important we can't stress that enough

and many people have been healed by

treatments that shouldn't have worked

but they believed that they did and they

heal them so it's really important to

believe and that's why especially in

India we found that the doctors there

they when someone's diagnosed with

cancer they call their whole family in

and they meet with their whole family

for hours to get their story of their

family the story of their life to get

the support of their family to find out

what emotional issues might be causing

this cancer and to get the support so

that the the patient can then proceed on

the treatment with the belief that it's

going to work it's so important we can't

over overemphasize the importance of

believing that it's going to work

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I apologize for badgering you but the

question I guess that I believe most

people would like to know the most even

though is amazing things to ask you and

even though is a lot of you know

interesting things we could talk about

but again if someone has third stage

cancer and they don't want a pep talk

they want to know exactly what tomorrow

assume you assume you have in five you

have to decide immediately

what is the plan are you going to do

water fasting you can do answering

neoplasms are you gonna take saunas

every day are you gonna be doing raw

green juices should you walk barefoot on

the grass six hours a day did you stop

using cell phones should you get

sunshine should you take certain

supplements in other words assume they

don't want a theoretical discussion they

don't want a pep talk they want to know

exactly name the ten steps of what you

believe are the most effective powerful

ways to deal with this um even though I

know you'd like to be more general and

say each case is different but if that

wasn't an option and they want to know

are you saying go to Brzezinski and get

an answer neoplasms go get fetal stem

cell therapy go on a faster water fast

do green juicing every day do so on is

everyday walk therefore do pulse therapy

in other words exactly what is the point

there are people in this audience that I

know who have cancer and they are

advanced and I guess you they have to

make their own decisions but if you were

trying to give you know whatever you're

allowed to say what is the most specific

information you believe based on

everything you know about diet and

lifestyle would be your specific advice

of exactly what you would tell them to

do tomorrow step-by-step so Wyatt

Epocrates we offer 88 different

treatments is to answer the question you

just given me so we have our medical

doctor and our nursing team and our

nutritional team evaluate every patient

when somebody comes in they do an

extensive medical blood

tests they do extensive cyber scan from

Germany they do extensive bio well from

Russia and then when we sit with you we

don't have to say go to dr. Jones there

or go to dr. Smith here we say go to

this department go to that department

now here are the commonalities everyone

has to see somebody who works with

people facing cancer if you don't go to

a psychotherapist that knows how to do

that work it may not work for you so

that's what we have at Epocrates number

two everyone has to eat a pristine clean

diet that contained the phytochemicals

in it that have been proven

overwhelmingly to fight off and even

reverse every form of cancer yes we

would use electromagnetic pulse

therapies laser therapies cyber scan

therapies etc but that determinant is

determined which one we would use in

which case with which person yes we

would tell you to get IVs and do

hyperbaric treatment at our medical

department all of these things would be

taken into account

supplementation would be determined upon

which type of cancer you have and what

state of health you're in can we tell

somebody who's emaciated you should

exercise no but how about if you're

fairly active movement oxygen therapies

of some type and so I think it's a very

difficult thing for anyone who's

legitimate to say here's exactly what

I'd say to every person I've given you

the basic things everyone should do but

then there may be other things that we

would add on top of that

get rid of the numbers there is number 1

2 3 4 right and that is purely for

medical treatments to be done cancer is

cancer and a lot of people are surprised

that cancer is found in the lymph and

like sentinel node especially for breast

cancer and you should never let anybody

take your lymph nodes out that is your

filter system that's how you get toxins

out and waste out we've seen horrendous

side effects of links being double the

size arms being double the size because

the poor lymph system cannot clean so we

need to know that numbers are just

numbers and the fear like you said the

fear that comes in when you hear what

your stage 3 or you stage 4 and I mean

that's like Doomsday's it's it's just

for medical treatment you have to

realize that yes cancer spreads but

that's the way it wants to outsmart you

that's how it works it works through the

lymph system that's how it spreads it's

like you know that's their arms and

because they're smart they want to be in

other places they don't want you to be

able to kill it so you have to realize

that it's a huge machine and the fear is

the biggest problem because you are

gonna go right down with that fear and

that realized that every cell in your

body knows what you're thinking so the

first thing you would do for example now

we have an amazing special cancer

program with dr. Jenn Reineke and Brian

you can tell more about how that came

about it's it's really it changes

people's minds and their health big time

back in 1960s there was a conservative

oncologist from Texas called dr.

Simonton and dr. Simonton was a very

honest man he would go out to his nurse

and say is John here oh no John is

passed on is Mary here Mary Pat so he

concluded as an oncologist that what he

was doing seemingly wasn't working

that people weren't showing up because

he had died from the treatments he had

given so the one thing he noticed

because he was sort of a conscious guy

that the very childlike optimistic

patients that went to 23 doctors and all

of them said you're going to die you're

sick and they said no I'm not going to

die I'm going to be perfectly fine

either lived a whole lot longer in some

rare cases reverse their disease so he

left medicine what a courage he had and

he basically said I'm only going to work

with visualization I'm gonna try to

teach people to be optimistic with this

and boy was he ridiculed thank God

before his death a few years ago the

American Cancer Society gave him an

award a Lifetime award a boy he was

railroaded out of the country most of

the work he basically did was in Asia

and his partner who worked with him for

over 30 years dr. Jan rocky has been

working with Anna Marie and I for about

ten years so I said a couple of years

ago why don't we create a specific

program called the advanced

comprehensive cancer program so beside

every the 88 other things that I just

mentioned we do we basically have every

three weeks dr. ján common and she works

extensively now she brought technologies

in cold neucom physicists at Harvard put

this together that put you in alpha

states and activate the immune system

and as Anna Maria so wisely just said

every cell 100 and trillion cells in

your body know what you're thinking

that's not a joke or an exaggeration or

new age the data and science is out on

all of this and basically the reverse

happens so if you get people into a very

deep state of relaxation and they stop

the fear factor the fight and flight

where you're in the reptilian brain your

immune system now becomes proactive and

starts to fight the disease and this is

a work we're doing in coordination with

Harvard at this point to see what

happens when we put people into these

deep states so it's another option that

we have so everyone gets psychotherapy

if you come to us healthy as can be and

just want to remain sexy or if you

a fight for your life but this is more

advanced specifically for cancer because

that's been her expertise for over 35

years now i I really understand the

spirit of Steve's question and I wish

that I could say here here are 10 things

specific things but as I mentioned this

afternoon when I was talking medicine

has tried to purge clinical judgment

from practice where we do

one-size-fits-all you have cancer you

come to me we do these things you have

high cholesterol you take this drug and

so I think it's even more important with

the cancer patient to not do that

because everybody is different their

financial resources are different their

risk-taking behavior or thoughts are

different and all of that has to be

taken into consideration and I'll give

you just one example of how this plays

out in real life so going back to Kelly

Turner's book radical remission she

identified 74 strategies that cancer

patients used to survive when their

terminal and all not all thousand of MU

didn't know each other we're doing the

same nine and that's what she wrote a

book about and the first chapter was

about diet they all adopted a

plant-based diet however they had all

different versions of the plant-based

diet and one patient that stands out in

my mind is a kidney cancer patient he

was supposed to die in fact he was in

the hospital getting chemotherapy he had

stage 4 kidney cancer and he got he it

smelled so bad in the hospital you went

up to the roof to get fresh air and he

was a very prominent businessman in

Japan and so they thought he was going

to kill himself so they sent him home to

die because they didn't want him to kill

himself at the hospital be bad a lot of

bad detention for that that's having

your heart in the right place right you

know care we just don't want this guy to

kill himself and we get you know some

bad publicity so he went home and he

felt better you know people feel better

at home and he started thinking you'd

like to live and so the first thing he

did is start drinking clean water and

then he started eating better and he

started down the path of dietary

perfection and said now you

what I think the reason I got this

cancer is that I do everything to

extremes I work too hard so so he said I

decided I'm still gonna drink coffee I'm

not gonna try to be perfect at this diet

because my particular problem is

perfection so doing more perfection is

not a treatment plan for a person who's

dying of perfection right so and that's

just one story but but I think that the

continuing theme through this book and

and it's very instructive because she's

the first person to my knowledge he's

ever done a study of cancer terminal

cancer patients who survived to quantify

what they did which I think quantifying

is always a good idea right and and what

you hear in these stories is that

everybody's situation was different

people have children they don't have

kids they've got money to travel they

don't have money to travel they have

parents who will have them move in or

not and so you have all this going on

and so I think the most important thing

is basically to say to the cancer

patient there is no agenda we don't have

a list so what we're going to do is

we're going to start figuring out who

you are and what's going on and what has

gone on and what your resources are and

what your risk-taking predisposition is

and I can tell you I'm a risk-taker so

for me to say I'm not getting

traditional treatment I'm going to jump

off the cliff and go fast and do this

and that that might be my list and

somebody else might be horrified I'm

afraid to fast

I'm afraid to travel I don't have the

money to travel and so again I think the

most important thing if I had to make a

list of things you do with cancer

patients step one start listening that's

the most important thing what happened

to you tell me that

step two tell me about your life

what are we working with here what are

you considering what do you think about

some of these things and that's the

place to start and then it just takes

you where it takes you and sometimes you

know I used to be a sales trainer before

I was in healthcare and everybody wanted

me to give them a script that would help

them sell things and I said there's no

script for selling things you listen to

people and you respond to what

say right I mean I've had a lot of

conversations with you guys did I sound

like I was reading from a script' no I

hear what you say and then I have

something to say so so I think that's

the way we help a cancer patient there's

no script there's no list there's no

agenda who are you what happened to you

what's going on in your life what what

are our possibilities how do you make

decisions about things and a lot of

times I just start with tell me how I

can be of service to you what what is it

that I can do to make you more

comfortable and to help you through this

process and then it just goes where it

goes I'm going to try to answer it

Stevens question directly well I think

you probably will do better than me okay

so how do you know you have cancer in

the first place bleeding pain swelling

some lump sore that doesn't heal there's

a lot of manifestations everybody may

have a different manifestation some

organ stomach liver different colon

breasts whatever so you get that you you

you have someone tell you you know looks

like something's going on here okay what

does it look like well there's some

image something's something's amiss oh

look at the scan one thing I will never

do is have them take a biopsy because

there's enough evidence in the

literature to show that you run a high

risk it's like putting a stick in a

beehive the beasts come out I'm telling

you that there's papers in the

literature that support what I'm saying

I can share them with everybody so I

don't do biopsies so okay we do

non-evasive evaluation the diagnosis

comes yeah there's something there

you're coughin blood yeah there's a spot

on your lung

blood in the stool yeah we looked into

some sort of a lesion on your colon okay

take the blood work first okay you

you're in there okay that run me a blood

let me see every every lipid every

protein everything that I'm looking at

because I use those as biomarkers first

thing I would do is I would scan my

lipid biomarkers what's my triglycerides

what's my LDL to HDL ratio one of my

electrolytes I would look at those and

we would talk about it with a physician

that would know what's the healthy

healthy ranges and where you're at a

little bit what's your vitamin D levels

what's your creatine what's what's your

ferritin what are all the markers so you

look at the markers so you know where

your body is at the time you are

diagnosed because many people are pretty

healthy when they get their first

diagnosis they don't look like death

warmed over not everybody but you know a

lot of people say gee I didn't know I

had cancer it's only after the treatment

you look like you're dead so the first

thing you do is you get all your markers

okay you got all your blood work you

make the decision you use there's no

question about stress as a matter of

fact the diagnosis raises blood sugar

stress raises blood sugar feeds the

tumor absolutely don't have lymph nodes

removed because because you need those

you need the parts of your body that are

healthy you don't be ripping out things

that you're gonna need to facilitate the

resolution radical change in diet

there's absolutely no question about it

whatever you're eating got to change

okay so the first thing I will do is get

myself into therapeutic ketosis because

we know we're going to shrink those guys

down and we're going to make the margins

really sharp

we know this we've done it I have

preclinical evidence I can show you

tomorrow so what you do is you shrink

the thing down but you got to keep your

body healthy so when you get into Wow

therapeutic ketosis that's like walking

on hot rocks okay you you are in charge

of your own health you have to know that

it's going to require some part of your

you just can't turn your soul over to

someone who is clueless on the biology

of the disease you have to know to

yourself that okay it's going to

acquire some participation on my part

what does that mean I've done water only

fasting

it's a bitch it's always easy to tell

somebody to do it then do it yourself I

it's not it's not easy but I've learned

from my friends that if we get if we use

the diet that will bring us into

therapeutic ketosis which means you have

very low blood sugars and your ketone

elevations there's tumors go into a kind

of a dormant state and they start

shrinking up how long you can keep them

in that state depends on how long you

can maintain therapeutic ketosis and

there are diet ways there are a lot of

different ways that you can maintain

that if you go to the Hippocrates Health

Institute

you know I if I were to go I might you

know if I depends on what I would have I

I would have my own glucose ketone meter

and I would know every day where I stand

with respect to my therapeutic ketosis

amazon 38 bucks yet the strips that's a

very powerful tool to tell me that I am

in therapeutic ketosis when I'm in

therapeutic ketosis I know for a fact

those tumor cells are not going to be

growing they're going to be dormant now

they're not all gonna die because I told

you the glutamine issue and one of the

things that Pierzynski uses Nate ended

neoplastic which actually Itard in

glutamine there's a lot of ways you can

go after that I would have to look at my

list of drugs that I know that would be

able to work together under the

condition of therapeutic ketosis and

this is what I would do and I would

battle the disease day in and day out I

might consider not going to work for a

while you know stress is not good people

say well I'm under timo therapy and I'm

working every day listen you put

yourself at risk that's all you put

yourself at risk so you're you want to

get your body back into a homeostatic

state again and I agree these cancers

just don't turn around for three days I

mean you've had these things for a long

time so you can get rid of them in time

it's just like you put on weight you all

of a sudden you put on a lot of weight

geez well it didn't happen overnight

there were 150 pounds on Tuesday and 400

pounds on

you know so the weight comes off

gradually the cancer goes away gradually

yeah and you just bring your body into a

new healthy state you don't go into this

radical let's let's cut it out right

away let's nuke and poison you right

away no no no no no you have you have a

lot of chances to think very carefully

about all your options knowing how to do

this and this is what I would do and if

I were to go down I would be going down

on my terms

Eric you want me to go first I'm just

gonna be very generic here so there's

certain cancers I'll be specific if it

were me diagnosed certain cancers if it

was fast-growing brain tumor or whatever

there's certain situations where you

want to get it surgically removed prep

pressing on the optic nerve whatever I

mean there's certain situations but

that's an that's not the generic terms

that I'm gonna be talking about now just

a typical cancer what I'm gonna do

cancer as a result of a nutritional

deficiency coupled with being overly

toxic that's it generally speaking you

haven't been eating right and your

body's toxic so I'd start eating better

and try to detoxify what does that mean

I would dr. C freeze-dried I try to get

any therapeutic ketosis great way to

starve the cancer cells that would be

the meat and potatoes of the of what I

wouldn't well no not meat potatoes yeah

that would be the that would be the

sprouts in the quinoa okay now if you're

if you're if you don't want to eat meat

you can I visited clinics in in Bangkok

and in Phuket Thailand where they have

they put people they put their patients

into therapeutic ketosis with a organic

raw vegan ketogenic diet so it doesn't

have to include me you can do ketogenic

without any meat but I get into ketosis

I drink plenty of clean water what kind

of water I'm not gonna get into

specifics we're getting to start an

argument here but clean water the best

you can't hydrate yourself get good

nutrition get plenty of herbs and spices

and get your

the ketosis the the detoxification part

sweat everyday how many people don't

sweat everyday in the wintertime ok

Brian said he sits in a sauna every day

I do too 45 minutes in a sauna I sweat

like a pig

you got to detoxify through sweating

that's one way you can do it another way

that you can detoxify us are your

lymphatic system moving

you got a rebounder very simple little

mini trampoline jump on it 20 minutes a

day there's not an exercise in the world

that stimulates your lymphatic system

better than a rebounder so that's

detoxifying and then the emotional

detoxification as well forgive love try

to not carry emotional baggage try to

not be angry with people and you're

always doing and mad

it sounds easy sometimes it's not as

easy to get there but that's what you

need emotionally to detoxify that's what

I would focus on to start with again

it's really tough I to be honest like no

one's ever actually asked me that

questions like you can ask me what I

would do and you're asking me like what

advice I would give the advice part is

tough because like talk about what

Thomas is talking about half people out

there never even heard of ketosis and

you try to explain what it means trying

to convince someone to change their

lifestyles so drastically that doesn't

want to do it is really hard so it's

like it's there's so many personality

barriers that go along with this but

honestly I think if I was diagnosed

tomorrow I'd probably take exactly what

this AMA said because you that's you're

in control you don't have to rely on

some guy to wait for the appointment and

like oh you know like and there's and

I've studied the science as well and I'm

because again I'm as a journalist I've

looked at the genetic side and I've

looked at what the kind of work that

he's been doing and I'm just as an

open-minded person just wanting to

absorb all information as just being

someone that just wants to take it all

in there's you know I think as you said

one of the key ingredients in

antineoplastons I think it's called

phenol assets will glutamine incidental

right so yeah I mean I think that's what

I would do I think if I was hit and he's

right it's as I you gain weight and lose

weight is very gradual those tumors and

just pop up yesterday and why not take

that approach that's not gonna cost you

much it's just gonna take some

commitment to willing to make that

lifestyle change and if it doesn't work

and then you if you go from there but

that's the best I could tell you Steve

giving advice is hard because you're

talking about a personality that might

be really stubborn and not like what

they're you're here they're here you're

telling them but for me I'd go Adamas

[Laughter]

and I just want to jump in real quick

for those of you that don't want you

know don't know what therapy ketosis is

sounds too complicated we can simplify

even more than that and this is not

getting you into therapeutic ketosis but

if your diet comes if what you're eating

comes in a box a bag or is wrapped don't

eat it eat things that grow eat things

that are organic and if it's potatoes in

an organic and you like them eat them if

it's sprouts in the organic you like

them eat them if it's Tomatoes eat them

if it's radishes fine eat it peppers eat

it if it grows it's real food eat it and

that literally if raise your hand if

you've had something today that was

packaged even in here I guarantee we've

got a lot of people that have eaten

packaged food just eat real food

and that was it don't worry about

ketosis or anything and just from a

simple perspective start eating real

food a lot of people's health will turn

around real quick sorry Steve

interviewed a lady and one of the Asian

countries that I went to she had breast

cancer she was diagnosed with late stage

breast cancer wanted to they had to get

her into chemotherapy but they had to do

some things first before they could get

her in it was like 30 days before they

get her started in the meantime all she

did was started eating juicing and

eating organic raw food 30 days later

she went back for her scan and her

breast tumors were gone

here's before I forget there's two films

that I hope all of you listening around

the world and in the room we'll see one

is on YouTube called Dominion and if you

haven't seen this yet I'd strongly

advise you see it Dominion and the

second is fasting I know that it's on

Amazon Prime but probably other places

and that will sort of explain two areas

that will better inform you about the

short conversations we're having here

obviously one more thing that just for

fun like the whole issue of ketosis it

was partly my wife and I reading some of

your work we decided to go into ketosis

just for the hell of it seriously like

no no no well you know we did as long as

we could but I mean I'm not saying this

it gives advice but you know I also

often say like they should almost give

like a semester course in college on

cancer really to every human being it

should be a requirement because like as

a male me in America I got I got 50%

chance of getting it in women I like it

one and three inches percent chance and

then when you're hit with it you know

you had this huge learning curve you're

dealing with but I kind of just want to

say off the shooting from the hip I try

ketosis give it a shot

learn what it is put yourself into

ketosis just for the hell of it and in a

way in some bizarre kind of abstract way

you know what it's like you know how you

got there and maybe in some weird way

you know that you may have pushed back

something that might be grown I'm just

saying it's it's a pretty remarkable

state to be in kind of like I don't want

to get off a tangent but like what I was

saying in my talk or you heard me about

my stem cell experience and the kind of

what it did for me psychologically

ketosis was similar it's a fascinating

how it worked with my brain function it

was just like this heightened productive

state that it's hard to explain him it's

a wonderful thing to experiment with and

understand what it feels like so

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