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This is the beautiful land
of Israel and Palestine.
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The world’s three
most prominent religions
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Islam, Christianity and
Judaism, consider it holy land.
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Each year, millions of
people from around the world
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Come here to pray for
peace and prosperity.
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Yet this land is
also a major center
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of conflict in the world today.
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(gunshots)
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For Jewish Israelis,
the conflict
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centers on protecting a homeland
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Created for the Jewish
people in 1948.
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For Palestinians, it is about
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resisting decades
of colonialism,
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expulsion, occupation,
and apartheid.
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(music)
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Most people identify
apartheid with the
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grotesque system of
control that existed
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in South Africa
from 1948 to 1994,
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in which the white minority
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ruled over the black
majority, stole their
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land, and deprived
them of basic rights.
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It was a system reviled
by the whole world,
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and it eventually
crumbled under the
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combined pressure of internal
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resistance and
international sanctions.
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Today the word is
back, and with it too
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is a growing global
movement to end the
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Israeli form of apartheid.
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(music)
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(music)
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(music fades out)
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Time, October, 1948.
A new leadership.
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It denies the morality
of economic free
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for all. Its slogan:
“To each his own.”
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Its belief: parallel
development,
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separate identity. Apartheid.
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The word Apartheid,
is an Afrikaans word,
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Which simply means separateness,
Being apart.
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So we had the wonderful
term called separate
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development, but it was
never intended to be equal.
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One could talk about the
petty Apartheid. That
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was about the fact
that almost from birth
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your life was separated
from people of other races.
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You’d have to stand
if the bus was
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full. If you went to the beach,
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there were some beaches
you could not walk on.
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Those were the sorts of petty
manifestations.
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But you had the real Apartheid,
which for me was about
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the structural systems and
policies of Apartheid,
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the way in which land was
taken away from people.
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In the first post-war
election, the
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white electorate
voted into power
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a group of men dedicated
to the complete
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separation of the races
in South Africa.
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The vision was to
create a demographic
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white majority, at
least of citizens,
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even though you were going to
have the others in your midst.
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The entire nationalistic
existence was
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at stake. It was
going to be swamped
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by the black majority, so they
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evolved the concept
of Apartheid.
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Ultimately the driving
force behind it all
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was to create the
white Afrikaner-led
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nation so that Afrikanerdom
could sustain its
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permanent existence
as a national entity.
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Now united, the folk would
decide South Africa’s destiny.
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The years of division,
of second-class citizenship,
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had conditioned
Afrikaners to thinking
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of themselves as a
people besieged.
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Afrikaner history formed a sort
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of self-contained
moral universe.
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Whereas the rest of
the world saw them as
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oppressors, as
colonizers, as racists,
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they saw themselves primarily
as victims, settlers
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who were escaping religious
persecution in Europe.
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They saw themselves as fighting
for self-determination.
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In 1836, in an
extraordinary gesture
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of self-reliance and courage,
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2,000 Afrikaners crossed
the Orange River into the
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wilderness, out of the
bondage of British rule.
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The first time in
history that the
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term concentration camp appears,
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is in Afrikaner history.
About 10% of the
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population died in British
concentration camps.
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So for them, Apartheid
was about survival,
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about self-determination,
about redemption,
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about preserving a way of life.
You see
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a very similar
pattern in Zionism.
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Despite that Palestinians
experienced it as
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a very aggressive
colonizing movement that
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has dispossessed them
Israelis are capable of
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seeing themselves as
victims, as survivors
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of drawing on Jewish history in
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order to justify
their status quo.
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It’s important to address that.
It’s
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important to address
them with empathy
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and to say, “I don’t
accept what you do,
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but I understand what
the motivation is”,
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and to be able to
talk about that.
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(ambient sounds)
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We feel that the
concept of Apartheid
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is really crucial
for understanding
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what’s happening here,
and where Israel
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is going, because
it’s the only term
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that accurately
defines the system
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that Israel is
trying to develop.
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It isn’t just a policy. It’s
not just discrimination.
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It’s the way the
system is structured.
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It’s separation of
populations in which one
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group permanently and
institutionatally
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dominates another group.
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It’s getting to the
point where there
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isn’t going to be a
Jewish majority.
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If you take the
entirety of Israel and
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the West Bank and
the Gaza Strip,
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we’re at the point now where
it’s roughly 50/50.
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And that’s before any
Palestinian refugees return.
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Palestinians are
broadly categorized
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into three main groups.
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The majority of
Palestinians are refugees
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who were forced out of
the land that became
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Israel in 1948. Today
they number over 6
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million people and still
live in refugee camps
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in places like Syria,
Lebanon, and Jordan.
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A second group are
the Palestinians
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who managed to
stay inside Israel
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during the 1948 war and became
Israeli citizens.
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And lastly, there are the
5 million Palestinians
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living in the
occupied territories:
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the West Bank, East Jerusalem,
and the Gaza Strip.
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This territory is defined by
what is known as the green line.
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This is land that
Israel occupied in the
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1967 war, and still
controls to this day.
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Palestinians in these
areas do not have Israeli
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citizenship, nor do they
have a state of their own.
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(children shouting)
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What you have in the West
Bank is two entirely
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separate and unequal
geographies that are
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super-imposed on each other,
but exist separately.
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You have the Palestinians
who are cut off
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into dozens of ghettos,
literally surrounded
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by walls and physical
barriers, with
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little access to
work, to education.
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Even the basic means
of survival; food
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and water is often
difficult to come by.
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And then super-imposed on
that you have the settlers,
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who live in what look
like American-style
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suburbs, very spacious,
very luxurious homes
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with swimming pools,
with access to water.
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Immediately after the
1967 occupation, Israel
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began building
Jewish-only settlements
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in the occupied
territories and started
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moving its population
into these settlements,
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a practice that is illegal
under international law.
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There are approximately
220 Jewish-only
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settlements scattered
throughout the West Bank.
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Their territorial jurisdiction
includes not only
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the Palestinian land upon
which they’re built,
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but often the land that
surrounds the settlements
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which is reserved for their
so-called natural growth.
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Each of those settlements,
every single one of
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them, is only allocated
to Jewish Israelis.
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Roughly 60% of the West
Bank is allocated to,
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or controlled by the
settlements, or the
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military installations.
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What we see in the
last 40 years is
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vast Israeli government efforts
and vast amounts of public money
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spent and poured into allocating
land in the territories,
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building settlements on it, and
encouraging Israelis to move out
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of Israel and into
these settlements.
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Gilo is, I think, a neighborhood
where everybody is living.
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Because if you can’t afford
to live in the center
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of the city, you move out
to the new neighborhoods,
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and you’re going to
find you have everybody
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living over here, religious
and not religious;
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more people to the left,
people to the right,
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because most people look at
Gilo as part of Jerusalem.
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This is Gilo
settlement, which was
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annexed in the ‘80s
and early ‘90s.
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They started building
it in the mid-‘80s,
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and they started bringing in
caravans, then it started being
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built up and built
up until it became
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a very big neighborhood
of Jerusalem,
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accommodating thousands of
settlers’ families.
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On Palestinian land.
The people there
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didn’t sell the land.
They stole it.
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There was a decision
taken by Israel in 1967
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that Jerusalem should
be reunited as one city
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and part of that political
agenda was to build and
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establish on the hills
surrounding Jerusalem,
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new Jewish
neighborhoods in a way
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that would make
it very difficult
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to, again, divide the city
into two parts.
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The settlements were not
built for security.
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They were built out of a
proactive claim to the country.
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The words mislead.
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They're not a couple of little
trailers on the hillside.
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These are cities of 40, 50, 60,
70,000 people.
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They’re built over
water aquifers.
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They’re built at key junctions.
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They’re built on
certain hilltops.
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They’re built to
control movement.
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They’re built to
control the border.
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Every settlement
has its rationale.
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We can see from here the village
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extended toward the
settlement of Ariel,
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which is located above
the hill over there.
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Ariel, located in the
heart of the West Bank,
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25 kilometers to the
east of the green line.
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There’s a very important aquifer
located underground,
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under this area, which
the Israelis are
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stealing. They are
enjoying the water.
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They are irrigating their
gardens, washing their cars
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and playing with their
dogs with water, and
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here we are suffering
a shortage of water.
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Per capita Israelis
use about six
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or seven times the
amount of water
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that Palestinians use,
and many times in the
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summer months Palestinians
do not get water,
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even though it’s their
water that’s being pumped
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out by the Israelis and
sold back to them,
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they don’t get
sufficient supplies.
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They cut off water in summer,
meaning that we will be
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without water for three or
four months of the year,
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so we try to compensate for that
by collecting the rain
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in the cisterns and the wells,
which is not healthy.
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But we are forced to use this
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water, which causes
many diseases
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for the children and for the
inhabitants in the village.
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And my daughter was one case of
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that; she got a
very bad infection
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because of the water,
and she got kidney failure.
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Apartheid was the attempt
to separate people
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and allow resources and
privilege and rights
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to flow to people on the
basis of the separate
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groups in which they
were categorized.
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And so the settlements are very
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strategic; it’s not
just real estate.
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They were built out of
aproactive claim to the country.
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Nowhere is the
government’s separation
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principal shown so
starkly as in the city
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of Hebron, a city
deep in the heart
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of the West Bank
with a population
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of about 160,000 Palestinians.
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In the middle of
Hebron, in Palestinian
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homes, often vacated
under severe
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pressure, live 600
Jewish settlers
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cordoned off and protected by
thousands of soldiers.
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Although neighbors, these
two populations live
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under two separate and
unequal sets of laws.
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Jewish settlers in the West Bank
live under Israeli civil law,
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while Palestinians live
under Israeli military law.
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The settler population
in the West Bank
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is roughly 500,000.
The Palestinian
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population in that same area
is roughly 2.5 million.
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So we have a classic situation
of an ethnic minority claiming
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the entire country,
a large territory,
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and then, now, what
do with the natives?
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What do you do with
the non-whoever
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you are? in this
case, the non-Jews.
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In South Africa, the
architecture was
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amazing. First, you give
people an identity.
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Then, of course, you
give people pass laws,
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so you define how
they can move freely,
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and you construct blockages
for the movement of people.
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Control was exerted
through a complicated
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pass system that
determined when and where
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an African could move.
These passes
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became one of the most detested
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symbols of apartheid.
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The issue of the pass
was much more than a
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question of identity or
an identity document.
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It was a mechanism to
ensure the control over
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people’s movement and
where people lived.
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Today in occupied Palestine,
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Palestinians must carry
IDs at all times
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that essentially dictate where
they can live, work and move.
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A complex system of
movement restrictions
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requires special permits
to enter certain areas.
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There are over 600
manned checkpoints and
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physical roadblocks
in the West Bank
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that restrict the
freedom of movement of
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Palestinians. Only
36 of these separate
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Israel and the West Bank.
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The rest separate
Palestinian towns
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from other Palestinian towns.
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Abuse, beatings, humiliation
at the checkpoints
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is a routine part
of the experience.
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It’s part of the systematic
disempowerment of Palestinians,
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placing an entire
population at the mercy of
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18, 19-year-old soldiers
who have absolute
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power over the lives
of Palestinians.
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How many? Is it over
60 women who have
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given birth at
checkpoints because some
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silly kid won’t let
them through, or taking
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20 minutes to let an
ambulance through?
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I have been able to
visit Israel and
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Palestine, on more
than two occasions.
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And what I experienced there was
such a crude reminder of a
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painful past in
Apartheid South Africa.
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We were largely controlled
in the same way.
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The continuous checking
at the roadblocks,
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and to see these
young men and young
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women standing at the roadblock,
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having to perform the
duties of a military junta.
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These parallels with Israel
pained me severely while
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I was travelling through
that lovely country.
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The settlements are
linked by modern
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superhighways, which
are Jewish-only roads.
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Palestinians are not
allowed to use them,
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and these super
highways crisscross
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across Palestinian land, linking
the settlements together,
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and linking them with Israeli
cities inside the 1948 borders.
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The separate roads
that you find, that
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kind of settlement
infrastructure
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that you find in the
West Bank, you know, in
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South Africa, we didn’t
dream that we’d have
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roads that would be
only for whites.
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In 2008 there were
800 kilometers of
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Jewish-only roads
in the West Bank,
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or as the Israeli
military prefers
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to call them, "Sterile roads".
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Settlers are issued
yellow license plates
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so that the military
can distinguish
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them from Palestinian drivers.
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00:26:29,192 --> 00:26:31,396
The other part of
this system is the
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Palestinian roads,
which is linking the
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Palestinian villages and cities
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together, but with
tunnels and bridges
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under the main network
of roads that
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00:26:40,841 --> 00:26:42,725
they are creating
for themselves.
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And these bridges
and tunnels have gates,
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and the gates have
locks, and the keys
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are in the hands
of the soldiers.
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So if they want to impose a
curfew all over the West Bank,
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they can do it in two hours.
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The Jewish-only roads serving
the settlement of Avne Hefez,
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are but one of the many examples
of the segregated road
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system in the West Bank.
Because of the settlement,
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Israel declared the
roads between the
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Palestinian towns of
Shufa and Izbat Shufa
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a sterile road for
Jews only, erecting
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00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,520
dirt roadblocks for
Palestinians at every
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00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,120
exit of the town.
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00:27:42,229 --> 00:27:46,058
Recently, Israel allowed
Palestinian pedestrian
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but not vehicular
traffic on the road.
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Due to these
conditions, one out of
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00:27:50,867 --> 00:27:53,915
every four families
has left Shufa.
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00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:04,089
(quiet music and road noise)
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A deeply religious
people, the white
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Afrikaners of South
Africa believed they
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had a god-given right
to a land that
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they considered
mostly uninhabited.
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00:29:36,163 --> 00:29:38,587
In what is known as
the great trek, what
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00:29:38,628 --> 00:29:41,667
Afrikaners consider their
equivalent of the Exodus
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thousands trekked
into the wilderness
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in search of the Promised Land.
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The Afrikaners pushed
into land the Africans
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00:29:50,114 --> 00:29:52,788
considered theirs, and
many battles ensued.
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Armed with guns and
protected by a circle
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00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:59,495
of covered wagons,
known as a “laager”,
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00:29:59,495 --> 00:30:01,700
the Afrikaners
easily beat back the
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00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,254
indigenous masses that
outnumbered them.
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00:30:04,345 --> 00:30:06,729
This image of the heroic
settlers in their
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00:30:06,770 --> 00:30:08,950
“laager” fending off
the savage masses
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00:30:08,991 --> 00:30:13,677
became the dominant mythology in
Afrikaner history, morphing into
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00:30:13,718 --> 00:30:17,698
the philosophy of
Apartheid in 1948.
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00:30:18,209 --> 00:30:20,456
Under apartheid law,
the one standard
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00:30:20,497 --> 00:30:22,644
against which
everything was judged
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00:30:22,685 --> 00:30:25,486
was the security of
the state, and the
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00:30:25,523 --> 00:30:27,982
state meant the
Afrikaner people.
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With every law
enacted, the freedoms
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00:30:30,486 --> 00:30:32,510
of the majority
were whittled away
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00:30:32,551 --> 00:30:36,549
in order to protect the
privileges of a white minority.
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00:30:39,005 --> 00:30:42,417
In Pretoria today stands
a monument to the Great
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00:30:42,458 --> 00:30:46,551
Trek, a shrine to this
history and philosophy.
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A concrete "laager";
that iconic image of
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00:30:51,697 --> 00:30:54,607
the Afrikaners’ military
defense tactic,
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00:30:54,607 --> 00:30:57,151
completely surrounds
the monument.
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00:30:58,377 --> 00:31:01,862
A physical representation
of a state of mind
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00:31:01,862 --> 00:31:05,131
that sees enemies
everywhere and will
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00:31:05,151 --> 00:31:07,979
do anything to protect
against them.
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00:31:19,864 --> 00:31:23,843
What I experienced
there was made even
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00:31:23,863 --> 00:31:28,169
more painful by the
existence of the wall
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00:31:28,169 --> 00:31:31,357
of separation, what
we from South Africa
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00:31:31,377 --> 00:31:33,803
prefer to call the
Apartheid wall.
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00:31:33,844 --> 00:31:38,067
We didn’t have that type of
division in South Africa.
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00:31:39,179 --> 00:31:42,543
In 2002, under the
guise of a temporary
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00:31:42,584 --> 00:31:46,184
security measure, Israel
began construction
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00:31:46,184 --> 00:31:48,795
of the separation
barrier to completely
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00:31:48,836 --> 00:31:51,477
seal off the West
Bank from Israel.
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00:31:52,464 --> 00:31:56,589
In urban areas it is a concrete
wall eight meters tall.
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00:31:57,226 --> 00:32:00,271
In rural areas it
is a “smart” fence
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00:32:00,472 --> 00:32:03,702
averaging 60 meters
wide, with motion,
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00:32:03,702 --> 00:32:07,076
heat and vibration
sensors, cameras,
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00:32:07,456 --> 00:32:12,486
trenches, patrol
roads, and razor wire.
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00:32:15,318 --> 00:32:18,623
To many however, the
wall is not about security.
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00:32:23,709 --> 00:32:25,449
Its snake-like
route through the
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00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:28,266
West Bank annexes
large Jewish-only
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00:32:28,286 --> 00:32:31,004
settlements,
agricultural land and
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00:32:31,004 --> 00:32:34,248
important water resources,
clearly marking
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00:32:34,268 --> 00:32:37,076
it as a tool for
massive land grabs.
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00:32:37,547 --> 00:32:41,238
Only 15% of the wall
follows the green line.
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00:32:41,258 --> 00:32:44,557
Instead, the wall
twists and turns deep
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00:32:44,557 --> 00:32:47,266
into the West Bank,
making it more than
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00:32:47,286 --> 00:32:50,014
twice as long as the
green line itself.
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00:32:53,101 --> 00:32:55,613
It separates Palestinian
villages from
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00:32:55,633 --> 00:32:57,841
neighboring
Palestinian villages,
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00:32:57,841 --> 00:33:01,766
farmers from their land and
income, parents from children,
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00:33:01,766 --> 00:33:05,656
and severely restricts
Palestinian freedom of movement.
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00:33:05,656 --> 00:33:08,520
It encircles many
towns from all sides
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00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:11,276
creating isolated
ghettos surrounded
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by walls, checkpoints and
Israeli-only roads.
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When you put people
behind the wall, in
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00:33:22,873 --> 00:33:25,710
all of these ghettos,
because almost
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00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:30,778
everywhere it is creating ghetto
communities with one road or one
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00:33:30,778 --> 00:33:34,164
checkpoint or one tunnel with
a gate on it.
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00:33:34,164 --> 00:33:36,514
Then at a certain
point there is going
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00:33:36,534 --> 00:33:38,722
to be, when there's
not enough work
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00:33:38,722 --> 00:33:42,451
and not enough food, more
and more pressure built up.
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Obviously a lot of
people will leave, and
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00:33:46,132 --> 00:33:48,333
I think that’s part
of the intention.
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00:33:51,725 --> 00:33:54,405
(music)
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00:34:03,451 --> 00:34:05,382
Now in the South
African context, the
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00:34:05,402 --> 00:34:07,251
attempt by the
Apartheid government
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00:34:07,251 --> 00:34:10,489
was to take away
citizenship from more
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00:34:10,509 --> 00:34:14,018
than 80% of the South
African population,
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00:34:14,018 --> 00:34:16,563
and then give them
new citizenship
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00:34:16,583 --> 00:34:19,075
in some kind of a
fantasy entity:
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00:34:19,075 --> 00:34:20,972
Bophuthatswana, Transkei, etc.
So
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00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:22,966
the South African
state could say,
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00:34:22,966 --> 00:34:27,257
“You have no claims here. You’re
a citizen of Bophuthatswana.
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00:34:27,257 --> 00:34:29,011
Social benefits,
etcetera, are what
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00:34:29,031 --> 00:34:30,706
you should be
looking for there.”
437
00:34:30,803 --> 00:34:33,951
The godfather of the system was
Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd.
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00:34:33,951 --> 00:34:36,602
- "In South Africa
you can only achieve
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00:34:36,622 --> 00:34:38,892
peace by separating
the nations."
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00:34:39,258 --> 00:34:41,907
And he spelled out the whole
Bantustan concept.
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00:34:41,907 --> 00:34:43,560
He said: “The black
people have got
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00:34:43,580 --> 00:34:45,161
to be given their
own countries.”
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00:34:46,968 --> 00:34:49,337
They embarked upon
this remarkable
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00:34:49,357 --> 00:34:52,293
experiment of trying
to cut up the country
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00:34:52,293 --> 00:34:55,621
into Bantustans, and
these were created,
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00:34:55,641 --> 00:34:58,908
at least on paper,
ten of them, and the
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00:34:58,908 --> 00:35:03,375
move began to advance them
towards independence.
448
00:35:05,117 --> 00:35:07,055
(trumpet)
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00:35:08,574 --> 00:35:12,010
My government would
like to continue as we
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00:35:12,030 --> 00:35:15,567
are, an autonomous and
independent country,
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00:35:15,567 --> 00:35:18,262
preferably with
extended borders,
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00:35:18,282 --> 00:35:20,757
continued friendly and cordial
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00:35:20,757 --> 00:35:23,560
relations with our
neighbors and, if
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00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:26,402
possible, international
recognition.
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00:35:26,402 --> 00:35:29,153
Most of them were
stooges and really
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00:35:29,173 --> 00:35:31,570
puppets of the Apartheid state.
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00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:34,838
To give some veneer of
reality to the fantasy
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00:35:34,858 --> 00:35:38,004
of the Bantustans, the
Afrikaner government
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00:35:38,004 --> 00:35:40,742
threw money at them,
built elaborate
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00:35:40,762 --> 00:35:43,446
parliaments, housing
for ministers,
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00:35:43,446 --> 00:35:46,518
built airports, sports stadiums.
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00:35:46,538 --> 00:35:50,016
It was to create
separate states.
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00:35:50,016 --> 00:35:52,317
It was not so much a two-state
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00:35:52,337 --> 00:35:55,200
solution as a
multi-state solution.
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00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:58,709
When I look at Israel, when I
traveled through the West Bank,
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00:35:58,850 --> 00:36:01,925
I was looking at
Bantustans, totally
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00:36:01,966 --> 00:36:04,391
unviable, impossible states.
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00:36:04,928 --> 00:36:07,268
In many respects, it
struck me as being
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00:36:07,288 --> 00:36:09,772
significantly worse
than Apartheid.
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00:36:09,772 --> 00:36:12,644
Bantustans, as much as
we abhorred them in
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00:36:12,664 --> 00:36:15,421
South Africa, Bantustan
leaders actually
472
00:36:15,421 --> 00:36:17,267
had more power and more control
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00:36:17,287 --> 00:36:19,515
than the Palestinian
Authority has.
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00:36:19,515 --> 00:36:22,272
What the Oslo did was create an
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00:36:22,292 --> 00:36:26,054
authority,which allowed
Israel to still
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00:36:26,054 --> 00:36:29,415
control the occupied
Palestinian territory, but
477
00:36:29,435 --> 00:36:32,534
control it through a
Palestinian authority.
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00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,806
Ostensibly, there’s some
kind of Palestinian
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00:36:36,826 --> 00:36:40,288
authority that’s
controlling, that’s in power
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00:36:40,288 --> 00:36:42,123
of the occupied territory.
But in
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00:36:42,143 --> 00:36:44,052
fact, Israel controls
the borders.
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00:36:44,052 --> 00:36:48,056
Israel controls taxes.
Israel controls all kinds
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00:36:48,076 --> 00:36:51,608
of things, access in
and out of that area.
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00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:59,246
To me, the big analogy
was that South
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00:36:59,266 --> 00:37:02,066
Africa, in taking
these two choices
486
00:37:02,066 --> 00:37:04,361
where you’ve got two
or more nationalisms
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00:37:04,381 --> 00:37:06,255
laying claim to
the same country,
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00:37:06,255 --> 00:37:08,943
you’ve either got to find
a way to live together,
489
00:37:08,963 --> 00:37:11,130
or you’ve got to have
a fair partition.
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00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:13,588
The big similarity
between Apartheid
491
00:37:13,608 --> 00:37:16,354
South Africa and the
Israeli/Palestinian
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00:37:16,354 --> 00:37:19,989
situation is that both
decided to have a
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00:37:20,009 --> 00:37:23,663
partition solution,
and, in both cases,
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00:37:23,663 --> 00:37:26,705
it was a grotesquely
unfair partition.
495
00:37:26,855 --> 00:37:30,522
And this is why Israel says,
“Well, Gaza is not our problem,
496
00:37:30,563 --> 00:37:33,155
Gaza is a foreign country.
It’s not a state.
497
00:37:33,325 --> 00:37:37,179
It’s not part of any other
country. It’s just not us.”
498
00:37:37,179 --> 00:37:39,030
Just like South
Africa, it’s the same
499
00:37:39,071 --> 00:37:41,264
logic. We need a
Palestinian state,
500
00:37:41,305 --> 00:37:43,334
because we can’t digest
the Palestinians.
501
00:37:43,375 --> 00:37:44,917
We can’t give them citizenship,
502
00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:47,342
because then it wouldn’t
be a Jewish state.
503
00:37:47,648 --> 00:37:49,966
We have to create a
Palestinian state,
504
00:37:49,966 --> 00:37:51,976
because that’s the
only way we can
505
00:37:51,996 --> 00:37:54,026
get them off our
hands, but it has
506
00:37:54,026 --> 00:37:56,473
to be a minimized
state on as little
507
00:37:56,493 --> 00:37:58,960
territory as possible
that leaves us
508
00:37:59,001 --> 00:38:01,171
in control of the
entire country.
509
00:38:02,277 --> 00:38:04,481
In South Africa,
they left 13% of
510
00:38:04,522 --> 00:38:06,680
South Africa for the non-whites.
511
00:38:06,925 --> 00:38:09,935
In cantons, locking
them inside cantons.
512
00:38:09,935 --> 00:38:11,947
Here, when you look
at the map, what
513
00:38:11,967 --> 00:38:13,944
they have created
is leaving to the
514
00:38:13,944 --> 00:38:16,781
Palestinians about 12% of our
historical land.
515
00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:19,157
This is the ghetto
state, ghetto system
516
00:38:19,201 --> 00:38:21,341
that they are creating,
and it's totally
517
00:38:21,382 --> 00:38:23,429
disconnected from each other.
We have
518
00:38:23,494 --> 00:38:25,725
one, two, three, and
the fourth is Gaza.
519
00:38:27,016 --> 00:38:31,289
(explosions and drums)
520
00:38:32,156 --> 00:38:34,015
(siren)
521
00:38:46,266 --> 00:38:48,477
(drums and ambient sounds)
522
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,673
Since 2006, Israel
has imposed a deadly
523
00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:11,694
siege on the Gaza
Strip, prohibiting
524
00:40:11,735 --> 00:40:15,473
most goods and people from
entering or leaving the enclave.
525
00:40:16,248 --> 00:40:19,652
The siege has caused an
economic standstill in
526
00:40:19,693 --> 00:40:23,336
Gaza. The unemployment
rate hovers around 40%.
527
00:40:24,455 --> 00:40:27,358
On the more ridiculous end
of spectrum of goods not
528
00:40:27,399 --> 00:40:31,360
allowed into Gaza are things
like pasta and chocolate.
529
00:40:32,194 --> 00:40:34,914
Recently obtained Israeli
government documents
530
00:40:34,955 --> 00:40:37,209
show this to be a
deliberate policy.
531
00:40:37,717 --> 00:40:40,578
Mathematic formulas were
created which defined
532
00:40:40,619 --> 00:40:43,377
the minimum caloric needs
of the 1.5 million
533
00:40:43,418 --> 00:40:46,849
people in Gaza. As well
as the upper limit, so
534
00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:49,937
that food items cannot
become too plentiful.
535
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,732
In 2009 Israel
bombed Gaza’s sewage
536
00:40:55,773 --> 00:40:58,720
treatment facilities
and electricity plants
537
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,882
and now won’t allow
the necessary
538
00:41:00,923 --> 00:41:02,883
parts in to repair them.
539
00:41:03,326 --> 00:41:06,100
Restrictions on fuel
imports further limit the
540
00:41:06,141 --> 00:41:09,101
ability of critical
infrastructure to function.
541
00:41:09,142 --> 00:41:12,606
while also causing daily,
prolonged blackouts.
542
00:41:13,417 --> 00:41:16,617
Blackouts can be deadly for
patients in hospitals.
543
00:41:16,658 --> 00:41:19,125
But more so is the
lack of medicine,
544
00:41:19,166 --> 00:41:21,736
specialized care,
and clean water.
545
00:41:49,578 --> 00:41:52,503
In the worst times
of Apartheid in
546
00:41:52,523 --> 00:41:55,636
South Africa, we
never had in any of
547
00:41:55,636 --> 00:41:58,608
our townships
helicopter gunships
548
00:41:58,628 --> 00:42:01,884
flying overhead or
F-16 type bombers
549
00:42:01,884 --> 00:42:03,888
flying over townships and firing
550
00:42:03,908 --> 00:42:06,184
or dropping bombs
into a township.
551
00:42:06,184 --> 00:42:07,001
It didn’t happen.
552
00:42:10,529 --> 00:42:14,015
The problem is we don’t have
other examples to look at now.
553
00:42:14,132 --> 00:42:15,934
You could look at
perhaps the Warsaw
554
00:42:15,975 --> 00:42:17,982
ghetto as one example
of that kind of
555
00:42:17,982 --> 00:42:21,994
walled-in and then attacking a
walled-in community like that.
556
00:42:21,994 --> 00:42:24,556
Maybe a better example
is hundreds and
557
00:42:24,576 --> 00:42:26,959
hundreds of years
ago where you had
558
00:42:26,959 --> 00:42:32,178
walled city-states that were
completely besieged by armies
559
00:42:32,178 --> 00:42:34,787
where no one could
get out and food was
560
00:42:34,807 --> 00:42:37,698
denied, and if there
wasn’t a spring within
561
00:42:37,698 --> 00:42:40,508
the city, no one had
water, and people died.
562
00:42:40,549 --> 00:42:42,408
Just like in Gaza,
people died from
563
00:42:42,449 --> 00:42:44,271
insufficient access to medicine,
564
00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:46,211
to insufficient water, all those
565
00:42:46,252 --> 00:42:48,743
reasons, as well
as by air strikes.
566
00:42:51,475 --> 00:42:55,123
There are a number of people and
some governments who claim that
567
00:42:55,164 --> 00:42:57,468
because Israel
withdrew its settlers
568
00:42:57,488 --> 00:42:59,560
and soldiers from the Gaza Strip
569
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,770
unilaterally in 2005,
that it’s no longer
570
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:04,020
the occupying power,
but that is actually
571
00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:06,023
not the case. In
international law,
572
00:43:06,064 --> 00:43:08,476
occupation refers to the control
573
00:43:08,517 --> 00:43:10,416
of territory by
another government,
574
00:43:10,436 --> 00:43:12,408
not the indigenous
government there.
575
00:43:12,408 --> 00:43:14,992
That’s precisely
what exists with
576
00:43:15,012 --> 00:43:17,845
Israel and the Gaza
Strip right now.
577
00:43:17,845 --> 00:43:19,920
Israel still
controls the land of
578
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:22,097
the Gaza Strip,
which, many people
579
00:43:22,097 --> 00:43:24,325
don’t know, is completely
surrounded by a
580
00:43:24,345 --> 00:43:26,592
wall very similar to
the wall that snakes
581
00:43:26,592 --> 00:43:29,437
through the West Bank. It
is completely surrounded.
582
00:43:29,478 --> 00:43:33,011
The Israeli Navy controls
the seas off the coast of Gaza.
583
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:35,375
(gunfire)
584
00:43:36,093 --> 00:43:38,232
The airspace is
controlled by Israel,
585
00:43:38,232 --> 00:43:40,517
which has prohibited
the Palestinians
586
00:43:40,537 --> 00:43:42,164
from reopening their airport.
587
00:43:42,205 --> 00:43:46,343
So Gaza is completely under the
control of the Israelis.
588
00:43:48,784 --> 00:43:51,359
The Palestinian
Authority can’t issue
589
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,882
identity documents,
passports, permission
590
00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:57,397
for people to come
and go, independent
591
00:43:57,438 --> 00:43:59,421
of the Israeli
Interior Ministry.
592
00:43:59,552 --> 00:44:02,453
If you don’t exist in
the Israeli Interior
593
00:44:02,494 --> 00:44:06,093
Ministry database, you
don't exist period.
594
00:44:10,763 --> 00:44:13,242
If you look at a
blueprint of a prison,
595
00:44:14,132 --> 00:44:16,820
it looks like the
prisoners own the place.
596
00:44:16,867 --> 00:44:20,156
They have 95% of the
territory, right?
597
00:44:20,197 --> 00:44:23,409
They have the living areas,
they have the exercise yard,
598
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:26,226
they have the cafeteria,
they have the work
599
00:44:26,267 --> 00:44:29,276
areas. It all belongs
to the prisoners.
600
00:44:29,317 --> 00:44:33,597
All the prison authorities have
is maybe 5%. And you know what?
601
00:44:33,597 --> 00:44:35,993
If it’s a minimal
security prison, maybe
602
00:44:36,013 --> 00:44:38,075
they have 1%. That’s
all you need.
603
00:44:38,075 --> 00:44:41,334
You need the walls
around, cell bars,
604
00:44:41,375 --> 00:44:43,486
you have some
corridors, you have
605
00:44:43,486 --> 00:44:47,848
a few locked doors, and that’s
it. With 1% of the territory,
606
00:44:47,848 --> 00:44:50,492
you can absolutely
control the inmates,
607
00:44:50,533 --> 00:44:53,217
and that helps you
make the switch.
608
00:44:53,258 --> 00:44:56,718
The issue here isn’t how much
territory the prisoners have.
609
00:44:56,818 --> 00:44:59,720
The issue is, can they get out
of the prison?
610
00:45:16,734 --> 00:45:20,076
When the majority
of world leaders
611
00:45:20,117 --> 00:45:21,934
and people who have the power
612
00:45:21,975 --> 00:45:25,888
to change things talk about a
two-state solution, nowadays
613
00:45:25,888 --> 00:45:28,360
what they talk about
is a Palestinian
614
00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:30,545
state that is made of Bantustans
615
00:45:30,545 --> 00:45:33,156
separated from each
other, a state that has
616
00:45:33,176 --> 00:45:35,628
no sovereignty, no
independent policies,
617
00:45:35,628 --> 00:45:39,107
and has a very much
similar economic
618
00:45:39,148 --> 00:45:41,074
infrastructure to
the ones that the
619
00:45:41,074 --> 00:45:43,121
Bantustans had in South Africa.
620
00:45:43,121 --> 00:45:45,230
The main thing for
the world and for
621
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:47,437
the Israelis is to
get this issue off
622
00:45:47,437 --> 00:45:49,467
the plate, and
that’s where Israel
623
00:45:49,487 --> 00:45:51,245
thinks it can get away with a
624
00:45:51,245 --> 00:45:53,405
Bantustan in the way
that South Africa
625
00:45:53,425 --> 00:45:55,325
couldn’t. You know,
you can push a
626
00:45:55,325 --> 00:45:58,093
two-state solution that's
Apartheid.
627
00:45:58,268 --> 00:46:00,179
If it doesn’t have
borders, it doesn’t
628
00:46:00,220 --> 00:46:02,268
have water, doesn’t
have access to its
629
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:05,062
greater economic resource,
which is Jerusalem.
630
00:46:05,104 --> 00:46:08,230
It’s carved into little islands.
There’s no freedom of movement
631
00:46:08,271 --> 00:46:12,023
there's no freedom of commerce.
It’s a prison state.
632
00:46:12,578 --> 00:46:16,620
Therefore, the essential idea
of a two-state solution
633
00:46:16,661 --> 00:46:21,193
has to be not only the state
itself, but a viable state.
634
00:46:21,401 --> 00:46:23,929
The Israelis have
rendered the West Bank
635
00:46:23,970 --> 00:46:27,164
and Gaza unviable,
hopelessly unviable.
636
00:46:27,322 --> 00:46:32,012
I’m saying Israel no longer has
that solution as an option.
637
00:46:32,176 --> 00:46:35,665
It has made a two-state
solution impossible.
638
00:46:35,685 --> 00:46:38,180
Physically, morally impossible.
639
00:46:38,833 --> 00:46:43,392
- It is time for us to go
ahead and move forward
640
00:46:43,412 --> 00:46:47,429
on a two-state solution,
so thank you very much.
641
00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:49,945
You hear all this talk
about the two-state
642
00:46:49,986 --> 00:46:53,432
solution. You see opinion
polls that say a
643
00:46:53,473 --> 00:46:56,290
majority of Israelis are
willing to accept it,
644
00:46:56,310 --> 00:46:59,086
and a majority of
Palestinians are willing to
645
00:46:59,086 --> 00:47:02,486
accept it, but that
consensus disappears the
646
00:47:02,506 --> 00:47:06,125
moment you try to actually
flesh it out in detail.
647
00:47:06,295 --> 00:47:08,887
That’s why all the
two-state solution
648
00:47:08,928 --> 00:47:10,875
proposals are extremely vague,
649
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:14,062
because Palestinians
say, “The West Bank and
650
00:47:14,103 --> 00:47:17,320
Gaza are only a fifth
of historic Palestine.
651
00:47:17,394 --> 00:47:20,150
Why should we give up
anymore?” Israelis
652
00:47:20,191 --> 00:47:22,697
say, “Well, there’s
450,000 settlers
653
00:47:22,738 --> 00:47:25,328
in those areas,
several generations.
654
00:47:25,369 --> 00:47:26,882
Why should they leave?”
655
00:47:28,109 --> 00:47:33,312
The only thing more difficult
than trying to live together,
656
00:47:33,353 --> 00:47:35,921
would be trying to
force a separation.
657
00:47:59,938 --> 00:48:02,266
(music)
658
00:48:11,037 --> 00:48:15,234
Israel’s overall goal
has been to create
659
00:48:15,275 --> 00:48:20,328
a Jewish state. In
1948, 75% of the
660
00:48:20,369 --> 00:48:23,310
population, the
non-Jewish population,
661
00:48:23,351 --> 00:48:25,801
Christians and
Muslims, were expelled
662
00:48:25,801 --> 00:48:27,966
from their homeland and never
allowed to return.
663
00:48:27,966 --> 00:48:29,508
For one reason, and
only one reason,
664
00:48:29,528 --> 00:48:30,963
which is that
they’re not Jewish.
665
00:48:34,756 --> 00:48:39,576
The 5 to 6 million
refugees living in Lebanon
666
00:48:39,617 --> 00:48:43,335
and Syria and Jordan, etc.
those are people
667
00:48:43,376 --> 00:48:46,638
that should be Israeli
citizens, that Israel
668
00:48:46,658 --> 00:48:49,576
has kicked out and
refused citizenship.
669
00:48:49,979 --> 00:48:52,320
Over a million
Palestinians became
670
00:48:52,361 --> 00:48:56,199
refugees in the
1948 and 1967 wars.
671
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,787
By natural population
growth, they
672
00:48:58,807 --> 00:49:01,078
now number over 5 million people
673
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,140
who still await their
right to return.
674
00:49:04,481 --> 00:49:06,991
Some Palestinians
managed to stay
675
00:49:07,011 --> 00:49:09,689
inside what became
Israel in 1948,
676
00:49:09,730 --> 00:49:13,429
and today make up 20%
of Israeli citizens.
677
00:49:16,992 --> 00:49:19,543
So in the Israeli state,
what kind of rights
678
00:49:19,584 --> 00:49:21,978
and privileges and
resources are allocated
679
00:49:21,978 --> 00:49:23,803
to you are entirely dependent on
680
00:49:23,823 --> 00:49:25,841
which ethnic group
you come from.
681
00:49:25,841 --> 00:49:28,621
You’re either Jewish
or you’re Palestinian,
682
00:49:28,641 --> 00:49:30,789
or Arab, as they
prefer to call them.
683
00:49:30,830 --> 00:49:33,305
And so you have a
situation where welfare
684
00:49:33,346 --> 00:49:35,252
benefits for people,
for example,
685
00:49:35,252 --> 00:49:39,100
are dependent on whether
they’re Jewish or not.
686
00:49:39,141 --> 00:49:42,242
You have a situation where
a Jew can’t marry a
687
00:49:42,283 --> 00:49:46,700
non-Jew in Israel. For
us South Africans, we
688
00:49:46,741 --> 00:49:48,663
remember the Mixed
Marriages Act, for
689
00:49:48,683 --> 00:49:50,881
example. You have a
situation where people
690
00:49:50,881 --> 00:49:54,340
from one ethnic group,
Palestinians, are not
691
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,994
able to freely live in
areas that are majority
692
00:49:57,994 --> 00:50:01,218
Jewish, similar to
old Group Areas Act.
693
00:50:03,857 --> 00:50:05,846
Now one of the criticisms
people make when
694
00:50:05,887 --> 00:50:07,663
you start accusing
Israel of being an
695
00:50:07,704 --> 00:50:11,271
Apartheid state inside its own
borders is that they’ll say,
696
00:50:11,312 --> 00:50:14,123
“Well, Palestinians
can sit next to Jews
697
00:50:14,164 --> 00:50:16,237
inside restaurants.
They sit on the same
698
00:50:16,237 --> 00:50:18,401
buses. They go to the same
cinemas,” and that’s true,
699
00:50:18,401 --> 00:50:21,546
but that’s not really the
significance of Apartheid.
700
00:50:21,587 --> 00:50:23,276
The idea of Apartheid
isn’t really about
701
00:50:23,317 --> 00:50:24,911
the fact that people
can't sit on the same
702
00:50:24,911 --> 00:50:27,140
park bench. It was
about controlling
703
00:50:27,181 --> 00:50:30,259
resources, making
sure that one ethnic
704
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:32,520
group had control of resources
and the other didn't.
705
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,096
And, in that sense,
Israel has been
706
00:50:34,116 --> 00:50:35,712
very, very effective
at doing this,
707
00:50:35,712 --> 00:50:37,182
what we might call
grand Apartheid
708
00:50:37,202 --> 00:50:38,436
rather than petty Apartheid.
709
00:50:38,436 --> 00:50:40,881
In the key areas of
people’s lives, their
710
00:50:40,901 --> 00:50:43,366
education, their
employment, owning land,
711
00:50:43,851 --> 00:50:45,575
Palestinian citizens
are treated entirely
712
00:50:45,595 --> 00:50:47,226
differently from
Jewish citizens,
713
00:50:47,267 --> 00:50:49,825
and I think that’s one
of the reasons why
714
00:50:49,866 --> 00:50:52,155
this Apartheid
comparison can be made.
715
00:50:52,535 --> 00:50:55,125
By far, the most
fundamental element of
716
00:50:55,166 --> 00:50:58,211
Apartheid with both
South Africa and Israel
717
00:50:58,346 --> 00:51:01,846
is control of the land.
In apartheid South
718
00:51:01,887 --> 00:51:04,819
Africa, a slew of
laws were enacted
719
00:51:04,819 --> 00:51:09,250
that designated 87% of
the land for whites only.
720
00:51:09,601 --> 00:51:12,511
This introduced the
oxymoronic term
721
00:51:12,531 --> 00:51:15,573
"Foreign Natives"
into the language
722
00:51:15,573 --> 00:51:18,382
of parliament to
describe blacks given
723
00:51:18,423 --> 00:51:20,914
permission to live
in white areas.
724
00:51:21,101 --> 00:51:23,560
Israel’s complex and
creative web of
725
00:51:23,601 --> 00:51:25,879
apartheid laws
introduced equally
726
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,803
oxymoronic terms such
as "Present Absentee"
727
00:51:29,844 --> 00:51:32,242
into its parliamentary language.
728
00:51:32,283 --> 00:51:34,760
This was used to
describe Palestinians
729
00:51:34,801 --> 00:51:37,362
who are actually
present inside Israel,
730
00:51:37,403 --> 00:51:41,752
but legally declared absent in
order to confiscate their land.
731
00:51:42,379 --> 00:51:44,961
Through these colonial
and apartheid style
732
00:51:45,002 --> 00:51:48,104
laws, over 90% of
the land of Israel
733
00:51:48,145 --> 00:51:51,062
is effectively reserved
for Jews only.
734
00:51:53,149 --> 00:51:55,941
Aside from the few mixed
cities like Haifa
735
00:51:55,982 --> 00:51:58,794
and Akko, most of
Israel’s communities are
736
00:51:58,835 --> 00:52:02,125
segregated along ethnic lines.
Israel’s
737
00:52:02,166 --> 00:52:05,203
1.3 million Palestinian
citizens are
738
00:52:05,244 --> 00:52:08,828
restricted to 120
communities that existed
739
00:52:08,869 --> 00:52:12,023
before the creation
of Israel in 1948,
740
00:52:12,064 --> 00:52:15,164
and which have been unable to
expand since.
741
00:52:15,423 --> 00:52:17,785
By contrast, Israel
has created and
742
00:52:17,826 --> 00:52:20,427
developed more than
700 exclusively
743
00:52:20,468 --> 00:52:23,659
Jewish towns since
1948, but not one
744
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,617
new town for
Palestinian citizens.
745
00:52:26,773 --> 00:52:29,538
Land laws in Israel
are very clearly
746
00:52:29,558 --> 00:52:32,554
Apartheid kind of laws.
You can belong
747
00:52:32,554 --> 00:52:34,312
in the state of
Israel, you can be a
748
00:52:34,332 --> 00:52:36,159
Palestinian, or you
can be a Jew, but
749
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:38,119
if you want to have
rights in the state,
750
00:52:38,139 --> 00:52:40,351
really you need to be
a Jew to have rights.
751
00:52:42,163 --> 00:52:43,904
I have no doubt it’s
a Jewish state, but
752
00:52:43,945 --> 00:52:45,781
I do question very
strongly whether
753
00:52:45,822 --> 00:52:48,117
it’s a democratic state.
If we talked
754
00:52:48,158 --> 00:52:51,109
about an Afrikaner and
democratic state,
755
00:52:51,150 --> 00:52:52,867
I think most of us
would find that
756
00:52:52,908 --> 00:52:54,917
rather an oxymoronic
phrase to use.
757
00:52:54,958 --> 00:52:58,765
So why is Jewish and democratic
not equally troubling to us?
758
00:52:58,806 --> 00:53:00,679
There are more than a
million Palestinians
759
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,480
inside Israel today,
and that's a major
760
00:53:02,521 --> 00:53:04,308
concern for Israel. It’s
very concerned about
761
00:53:04,349 --> 00:53:05,960
the demographic growth,
as it calls it,
762
00:53:06,001 --> 00:53:09,218
the demographic time bomb, of
the Palestinians inside Israel.
763
00:53:09,259 --> 00:53:12,066
I came to realize
that when they talk
764
00:53:12,107 --> 00:53:14,562
about the elimination of Israel,
765
00:53:15,242 --> 00:53:17,497
it’s a demographic thing.
766
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:20,656
That Israel will
cease to exist when
767
00:53:20,697 --> 00:53:23,195
it no longer has a
Jewish majority.
768
00:53:23,664 --> 00:53:27,094
In other words, your
nationhood depends
769
00:53:27,114 --> 00:53:30,443
upon your having
either an ethnic or
770
00:53:30,443 --> 00:53:33,187
a specifically
religious majority,
771
00:53:33,447 --> 00:53:35,296
permanently entrenched.
772
00:53:35,507 --> 00:53:37,748
Because of the
experience I’ve gone
773
00:53:37,768 --> 00:53:40,091
through in this
country, where I saw
774
00:53:40,091 --> 00:53:43,804
terrible injustice
committed in the name
775
00:53:44,234 --> 00:53:47,482
of the Afrikaners’
need to survive,
776
00:53:47,523 --> 00:53:51,539
I became ashamed of my country,
grievously ashamed of it.
777
00:53:52,242 --> 00:53:55,262
The reason Israel has
a Jewish majority
778
00:53:55,282 --> 00:53:58,476
is through entirely
artificial means.
779
00:53:58,718 --> 00:54:04,091
The whole framework of
Israeli law is designed to
780
00:54:04,132 --> 00:54:07,670
prevent the growth of the
non-Jewish population
781
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:11,677
and maintain Jewish
numerical and political
782
00:54:11,718 --> 00:54:14,833
supremacy, and that’s
the framework in which
783
00:54:14,833 --> 00:54:17,812
we can understand
everything we see inside
784
00:54:17,853 --> 00:54:21,423
Israel, as well as in
the West Bank and Gaza.
785
00:54:29,445 --> 00:54:31,953
(music)
786
00:54:42,998 --> 00:54:47,443
(rain and ambient sounds)
787
00:54:54,714 --> 00:54:57,056
(chatting)
788
00:55:07,765 --> 00:55:10,921
(shouting)
789
00:55:25,029 --> 00:55:28,998
In Occupied East Jerusalem,
the battle for control
790
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:33,184
of territory is happening
on a house-by-house basis.
791
00:55:36,992 --> 00:55:41,351
(shouting and arguing)
792
00:56:03,372 --> 00:56:05,489
(shouting)
793
00:56:11,792 --> 00:56:14,081
Israel goes to
incredible lengths
794
00:56:14,122 --> 00:56:16,216
to manipulate demography,
795
00:56:16,257 --> 00:56:19,250
as can be seen in the
stark but complicated
796
00:56:19,291 --> 00:56:21,765
case of the city of Jerusalem.
797
00:56:23,533 --> 00:56:25,785
East Jerusalem differs
from the rest of
798
00:56:25,826 --> 00:56:28,688
occupied Palestinian
territory in that Israel
799
00:56:28,729 --> 00:56:31,305
unilaterally declared it
a part of the state of
800
00:56:31,346 --> 00:56:35,055
Israel after the 1967
occupation of the city.
801
00:56:35,602 --> 00:56:37,834
No country in the world
has ever recognized
802
00:56:37,875 --> 00:56:40,259
that annexation, and
it is still considered
803
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:42,828
occupied territory
by the Palestinians
804
00:56:42,869 --> 00:56:44,871
and by international law.
805
00:56:45,824 --> 00:56:47,527
But by building the wall and the
806
00:56:47,568 --> 00:56:49,578
vast settlement
blocks around it,
807
00:56:49,691 --> 00:56:51,945
Israel has illegally
severed it from the
808
00:56:51,986 --> 00:56:56,755
West Bank. Over
250,000 Palestinians
809
00:56:56,796 --> 00:57:00,483
now find themselves on the
Israel side of the wall.
810
00:57:00,968 --> 00:57:03,369
Palestinians of East
Jerusalem are not
811
00:57:03,389 --> 00:57:05,685
citizens of the
country, cannot vote
812
00:57:05,685 --> 00:57:09,984
in national elections and cannot
live in Jewish West Jerusalem.
813
00:57:11,261 --> 00:57:14,200
A Palestinian can have
lived in Jerusalem
814
00:57:14,241 --> 00:57:17,200
all his life, been
born here, his father,
815
00:57:17,241 --> 00:57:18,992
grandfather, and generations
816
00:57:19,033 --> 00:57:21,613
before, but he will
be a resident.
817
00:57:22,859 --> 00:57:27,943
A Jew from Russia can
come today to Israel,
818
00:57:27,984 --> 00:57:31,094
not even knowing one
word of Hebrew,
819
00:57:31,445 --> 00:57:35,018
and in the same day,
he becomes a citizen.
820
00:57:35,081 --> 00:57:38,171
There are many,
many conditions to
821
00:57:38,212 --> 00:57:41,323
be a resident. If
you, for example,
822
00:57:41,323 --> 00:57:44,223
live in Jerusalem but
you work in Ramallah,
823
00:57:44,243 --> 00:57:46,831
Bethlehem or elsewhere
in the occupied
824
00:57:46,831 --> 00:57:49,219
terriroties they say
the center of your
825
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:52,398
life is there, and
we can take your ID.
826
00:57:54,407 --> 00:57:59,500
This is one of the
strategies to make
827
00:57:59,541 --> 00:58:02,484
the number of
Palestinians smaller.
828
00:58:05,154 --> 00:58:09,163
This is an official booklet,
from the municipality
829
00:58:09,204 --> 00:58:12,320
of Jerusalem, from the
Department of Planning.
830
00:58:12,969 --> 00:58:16,508
I mean, from the first
point here, They
831
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:21,037
say: "Is to keep
the ratio between
832
00:58:21,078 --> 00:58:26,359
Jews and Palestinians as
it was in 1967 at..." Look
833
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,234
at this: "70 to 30" As
the government decided.
834
00:58:32,324 --> 00:58:35,417
You must understand,
if in any democratic
835
00:58:35,458 --> 00:58:38,422
country in the world,
someone says that
836
00:58:38,463 --> 00:58:42,711
the Jews will be no more than
40 percent of the population,
837
00:58:42,833 --> 00:58:46,420
we would say that this
is anti-Semitism.
838
00:58:46,461 --> 00:58:48,922
It's clear that it would
be anti-Semitism.
839
00:58:49,036 --> 00:58:52,232
So why is it
anti-Semitism in Europe
840
00:58:52,273 --> 00:58:54,590
or America if someone does this,
841
00:58:54,590 --> 00:58:57,336
and in Israel, it's permitted.
Why?
842
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,587
The politicians are
hysterical over
843
00:59:00,628 --> 00:59:03,534
this issue, and they
try to implement
844
00:59:03,575 --> 00:59:06,722
a policy of segregation,
in order to make
845
00:59:06,742 --> 00:59:09,607
the lives of the
Palestinians so bad,
846
00:59:09,607 --> 00:59:16,688
that they will decide to
voluntarily leave the city.
847
00:59:18,993 --> 00:59:21,141
(music)
848
00:59:25,394 --> 00:59:27,234
One of the harshest
methods used to
849
00:59:27,275 --> 00:59:29,676
force Palestinians
to leave Jerusalem
850
00:59:29,717 --> 00:59:32,563
is Israel’s house
demolition policy.
851
00:59:36,102 --> 00:59:38,235
(machinery and crumbling rubble)
852
00:59:39,059 --> 00:59:41,490
This policy affects
all Palestinians
853
00:59:41,531 --> 00:59:44,115
living within Israel’s
stated borders,
854
00:59:44,156 --> 00:59:46,078
and even within the
rest of the West
855
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,758
Bank, but it is
starkest in Jerusalem.
856
00:59:53,157 --> 00:59:55,993
(machinery)
857
00:59:57,902 --> 01:00:00,758
House demolitions are
part of a system
858
01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:03,399
of discrimination
that does not enable
859
01:00:03,399 --> 01:00:05,493
Palestinians to
actually build legally.
860
01:00:05,513 --> 01:00:07,469
It’s fair to say
that it’s virtually
861
01:00:07,469 --> 01:00:10,648
impossible to receive
a building permit,
862
01:00:10,668 --> 01:00:13,164
a legal permit to build a house
863
01:00:13,164 --> 01:00:15,959
in East Jerusalem if
you’re a Palestinian.
864
01:01:23,686 --> 01:01:24,952
(sniffing)
865
01:01:34,492 --> 01:01:41,645
Wednesday, July 22nd 1962, The
866
01:01:41,686 --> 01:01:44,745
Afrikaners are breaking
down our house.
867
01:01:44,745 --> 01:01:47,977
Two bulldozers,
and of course the
868
01:01:47,997 --> 01:01:50,483
house crumbled. I felt the pain.
869
01:01:50,731 --> 01:01:53,225
It was my blood, my bones, our
870
01:01:53,266 --> 01:01:55,974
flesh that was
being broken down.
871
01:01:56,182 --> 01:02:00,087
No book can describe,
no poem can describe
872
01:02:00,107 --> 01:02:03,759
the horror, because
our houses were not
873
01:02:03,759 --> 01:02:07,079
houses, they were human beings.
874
01:02:09,461 --> 01:02:15,012
I saw bone and blood
and veins and brains.
875
01:02:21,496 --> 01:02:23,342
And, of course,
when the demolition
876
01:02:23,383 --> 01:02:26,457
finally happens, I
can't even begin to
877
01:02:26,498 --> 01:02:28,370
convey to you the
trauma, you know,
878
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:30,230
and the home is
your sacred space;
879
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:33,678
your whole intimate
sphere is in the house.
880
01:02:33,852 --> 01:02:36,091
Men, women, and
children react very
881
01:02:36,132 --> 01:02:38,995
differently. To the
men it's humiliating;
882
01:02:39,036 --> 01:02:41,068
they can’t protect
their families.
883
01:02:41,123 --> 01:02:43,173
It’s an entire financial loss.
884
01:02:43,748 --> 01:02:46,395
For women, most
Palestinian women
885
01:02:46,436 --> 01:02:48,197
don’t work outside the house.
886
01:02:48,197 --> 01:02:53,217
Domestic space is their world,
so when a woman loses that,
887
01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:55,600
I’ve seen women
go into states of
888
01:02:55,641 --> 01:02:58,616
mourning. The trauma
is tremendous.
889
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:00,959
The demolition of
a home is really
890
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,878
the demolition of the family.
891
01:03:06,556 --> 01:03:09,281
We estimate that
in East Jerusalem
892
01:03:09,322 --> 01:03:11,361
there are at least 10,000
893
01:03:11,402 --> 01:03:14,285
demolition orders outstanding.
Houses
894
01:03:14,326 --> 01:03:16,387
that can be demolished
at any time.
895
01:03:17,334 --> 01:03:20,043
That doesn’t include
thousands that
896
01:03:20,084 --> 01:03:22,084
have been demolished
inside Israel.
897
01:03:22,678 --> 01:03:26,163
Inside Israel there’s still
a campaign of demolition.
898
01:03:28,131 --> 01:03:32,410
There are about 40,000
homes of Israeli citizens
899
01:03:32,410 --> 01:03:35,770
who are Arabs that are
slated for demolition
900
01:03:35,811 --> 01:03:38,110
in the next few years,
and this is on the
901
01:03:38,110 --> 01:03:41,731
background of 1948
when more than
902
01:03:41,772 --> 01:03:43,904
half the villages of Palestine,
903
01:03:43,904 --> 01:03:47,490
more than 400 villages, were
systematically destroyed.
904
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:50,717
After the state was
created, Israel
905
01:03:50,758 --> 01:03:52,977
continued to forcibly
remove thousands
906
01:03:53,009 --> 01:03:55,397
of its Palestinian
citizens off of their
907
01:03:55,438 --> 01:03:57,904
lands onto small
concentrated areas.
908
01:03:58,149 --> 01:04:02,100
Their villages were bulldozed to
make way for Jewish-only towns.
909
01:04:02,850 --> 01:04:05,572
This policy still
continues inside Israel
910
01:04:05,592 --> 01:04:08,829
today, with over 45
Palestinian villages
911
01:04:08,829 --> 01:04:10,939
that the government
refuses to recognize,
912
01:04:10,959 --> 01:04:12,784
and which are slated
to be forcibly
913
01:04:12,784 --> 01:04:16,464
removed in order to construct
new Jewish-only towns.
914
01:05:42,409 --> 01:05:45,425
The Apartheid authorities
had what they
915
01:05:45,466 --> 01:05:48,350
called “black spots”.
Incidents where
916
01:05:48,540 --> 01:05:52,190
black people were
occupying land where the
917
01:05:52,231 --> 01:05:55,956
white people actually
wanted to occupy.
918
01:05:56,435 --> 01:05:59,058
And what they,
therefore, did was to
919
01:05:59,099 --> 01:06:02,226
send in the police,
send in the military
920
01:06:02,384 --> 01:06:06,305
with heavy trucks to
demolish people's
921
01:06:06,325 --> 01:06:10,164
homes, and then would
remove families
922
01:06:10,164 --> 01:06:13,493
that have been staying
on land for decades
923
01:06:13,513 --> 01:06:16,394
and remove them, and
just dump them.
924
01:06:18,005 --> 01:06:20,441
It was nice in
Sophiatown until the
925
01:06:20,482 --> 01:06:22,987
Afrikaners started harassing us.
926
01:06:24,143 --> 01:06:28,326
They said we are staying too
near to town. We are blacks.
927
01:06:28,326 --> 01:06:30,933
We are not supposed
to stay there, so
928
01:06:30,953 --> 01:06:33,650
they started moving
us to Meadowlands.
929
01:06:35,443 --> 01:06:37,917
Because they said we
couldn’t stay near the
930
01:06:37,937 --> 01:06:40,073
white people, so they
must separate us;
931
01:06:40,114 --> 01:06:42,346
we mustn’t be together.
So they take the
932
01:06:42,387 --> 01:06:44,529
place, and they give
it to the whites.
933
01:06:45,917 --> 01:06:47,478
They gave us only
one day’s notice.
934
01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:48,705
“Tomorrow you are moving.”
935
01:06:49,339 --> 01:06:51,947
The truck will wait
outside, and then the
936
01:06:51,967 --> 01:06:55,005
soldiers will go into
the house, and remove
937
01:06:55,005 --> 01:06:56,919
the furniture into the truck.
938
01:07:00,136 --> 01:07:02,534
(airplane noise and
radio chatter)
939
01:07:11,321 --> 01:07:13,730
Then take the children
and put you in
940
01:07:13,771 --> 01:07:16,199
the truck, and the
mother and father.
941
01:07:17,301 --> 01:07:21,048
They just bulldoze
it to the ground.
942
01:07:21,603 --> 01:07:24,948
They take the family out and
the bulldozer comes.
943
01:07:26,574 --> 01:07:29,613
(shouting)
944
01:07:35,097 --> 01:07:38,941
(crushing noises)
945
01:07:53,236 --> 01:07:56,420
Land is more than
just a possession.
946
01:07:56,672 --> 01:08:00,412
Land is something
integrally bound with
947
01:08:00,453 --> 01:08:04,538
your identity. It’s
about your ancestors.
948
01:08:04,579 --> 01:08:07,620
It’s about a sense
of knowing who and
949
01:08:07,661 --> 01:08:10,883
where you are from,
and in South Africa
950
01:08:10,924 --> 01:08:13,451
that’s where the biggest
damage has been done.
951
01:08:14,256 --> 01:08:17,324
The removal of
people off the land
952
01:08:17,365 --> 01:08:21,585
and they’re put in these god
forsaken places with nothing,
953
01:08:21,626 --> 01:08:24,240
and they have to start
all over again.
954
01:09:04,752 --> 01:09:09,640
You can shave off my hair.
New hair will grow.
955
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:16,843
You can spit in my face. I
will find water to wash it.
956
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,849
You can take away my
clothes and leave
957
01:09:19,890 --> 01:09:22,942
me naked. I will find a blanket.
958
01:09:23,503 --> 01:09:26,553
But if you take
away my house, and
959
01:09:26,594 --> 01:09:30,443
my dignity, where can I go?
Where?
960
01:09:32,241 --> 01:09:35,537
There is no pain
quite like being
961
01:09:35,578 --> 01:09:41,560
unloved, unwanted in
one's own land among
962
01:09:41,601 --> 01:09:45,556
one’s own kind.
The Jewish people
963
01:09:46,138 --> 01:09:48,349
come from that experience.
964
01:09:48,733 --> 01:09:52,420
Jews will always have the right,
and I would support that right
965
01:09:52,724 --> 01:09:55,504
for memory and
perpetuation, but now
966
01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:57,506
I feel it for the Palestinians.
967
01:09:58,678 --> 01:10:01,162
I feel it for them,
because they are
968
01:10:01,203 --> 01:10:04,940
stateless, homeless,
vanquished, exiled.
969
01:10:06,993 --> 01:10:12,092
You take away my house;
you take away my dignity.
970
01:10:12,387 --> 01:10:15,107
You take away my love,
and you replace
971
01:10:15,148 --> 01:10:18,957
it with bitterness,
anger, and revenge.
972
01:10:20,467 --> 01:10:23,084
(music)
973
01:10:26,326 --> 01:10:28,882
There have been at least 100,000
Palestinians, if not more, that
974
01:10:28,923 --> 01:10:30,746
have gone through
house demolitions.
975
01:10:31,457 --> 01:10:33,669
There’s a psychologist
in Gaza in the
976
01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:36,016
Palestinian mental health center
977
01:10:36,057 --> 01:10:40,209
who’s done research that says
that 55% of the suicide bombers
978
01:10:40,646 --> 01:10:42,849
are kids whose houses
have been demolished.
979
01:10:44,060 --> 01:10:46,318
The house demolition
issue is one of the
980
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:49,170
most painful parts
of the occupation.
981
01:10:49,349 --> 01:10:52,616
If you deny Palestinians
a home, and
982
01:10:52,636 --> 01:10:55,912
connected to that is a
concept of homeland,
983
01:10:56,302 --> 01:10:58,629
on two levels you’re
denying them a home, on
984
01:10:58,670 --> 01:11:00,890
the individual level and
the collective level.
985
01:11:01,803 --> 01:11:04,138
The term we use
in Hebrew for our
986
01:11:04,158 --> 01:11:07,006
form of Apartheid is "nishul".
987
01:11:07,387 --> 01:11:10,787
Nishul means displacement
or dispossession.
988
01:11:11,053 --> 01:11:13,906
That’s the Israeli
form of Apartheid.
989
01:11:16,350 --> 01:11:18,537
(music)
990
01:11:35,701 --> 01:11:38,506
(music)
991
01:11:41,467 --> 01:11:43,713
The escalation of
Israeli measures in how
992
01:11:43,733 --> 01:11:46,358
they treated the
Palestinians before the
993
01:11:46,358 --> 01:11:48,224
first Intifada, make
it difficult for
994
01:11:48,244 --> 01:11:49,881
the people to accept oppression.
995
01:11:50,164 --> 01:11:54,649
In 1987, as the occupation
rolled into its third decade,
996
01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:58,373
the first Intifada – or
uprising – erupted.
997
01:11:58,606 --> 01:12:00,959
People protested,
went on strike,
998
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,976
threw stones,
organized themselves
999
01:12:03,017 --> 01:12:04,695
into groups, and challenged the
1000
01:12:04,736 --> 01:12:06,926
Israeli occupation
in different ways.
1001
01:12:06,967 --> 01:12:09,528
Things came from
the ground up in
1002
01:12:09,569 --> 01:12:11,701
the first Intifada
where everyone,
1003
01:12:11,701 --> 01:12:16,136
no matter who you are, man or
woman, young or old,
1004
01:12:16,136 --> 01:12:17,717
you are connected to certain
1005
01:12:17,737 --> 01:12:19,739
groups, working
in this Intifada.
1006
01:12:19,891 --> 01:12:24,107
It was amazing how the people
were organized.
1007
01:12:27,603 --> 01:12:30,381
The people took a stand.
They had a slogan:
1008
01:12:30,422 --> 01:12:33,748
No taxation without
representation.
1009
01:12:39,709 --> 01:12:41,864
The Israeli occupation
closed down
1010
01:12:41,905 --> 01:12:43,832
all the education institutions
1011
01:12:43,952 --> 01:12:46,372
from the universities to the
1012
01:12:46,431 --> 01:12:49,763
kindergartens for two
and a half years.
1013
01:12:52,795 --> 01:12:55,553
(kids shouting)
1014
01:13:04,741 --> 01:13:07,168
They were very strong
in their reaction.
1015
01:13:08,918 --> 01:13:11,176
(crying)
1016
01:13:11,626 --> 01:13:13,542
The number of the
people that were
1017
01:13:13,562 --> 01:13:15,332
killed, children, youth, women,
1018
01:13:18,192 --> 01:13:22,498
thousands of people were killed.
This was the Israeli reaction.
1019
01:13:24,121 --> 01:13:25,961
If you visit any
family in Palestine,
1020
01:13:26,002 --> 01:13:27,323
West Bank, and Gaza Strip,
1021
01:13:27,364 --> 01:13:29,692
you will find at
least one person
1022
01:13:29,733 --> 01:13:34,317
that experienced jail.
To go to jail,
1023
01:13:34,358 --> 01:13:38,581
I don’t want to say it’s
normal, but just being
1024
01:13:38,601 --> 01:13:42,481
Palestinian is reason
enough to be put in jail.
1025
01:13:43,006 --> 01:13:45,492
It’s part of daily
life in Palestine.
1026
01:13:45,867 --> 01:13:51,942
Over 700,000 Palestinians have
experienced jail since 1967.
1027
01:13:53,322 --> 01:13:56,121
Proportionately there
are more political
1028
01:13:56,162 --> 01:14:00,160
prisoners there than
existed in South Africa.
1029
01:14:00,794 --> 01:14:03,387
In South Africa
we had a campaign
1030
01:14:03,428 --> 01:14:05,856
against child detainees.
1031
01:14:05,983 --> 01:14:10,098
In Palestine you have over 350
1032
01:14:10,153 --> 01:14:14,199
children who are
political prisoners.
1033
01:14:14,408 --> 01:14:16,895
They would take very many of our
1034
01:14:16,936 --> 01:14:22,645
children away from
parents and try
1035
01:14:22,686 --> 01:14:25,971
to use that to coerce parents to
1036
01:14:26,012 --> 01:14:29,562
appear at police
stations to deport.
1037
01:14:31,113 --> 01:14:34,487
I remember in 1988 you
see prisoners coming
1038
01:14:34,528 --> 01:14:36,711
in like crazy. In a
few months we became
1039
01:14:36,711 --> 01:14:43,104
6,000 political prisoners
in one jail. And 95%
1040
01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:46,189
of them were under
administrative detention.
1041
01:14:46,782 --> 01:14:48,971
Administrative detention
is the detention of
1042
01:14:48,991 --> 01:14:51,151
people, usually for six
months, but you can
1043
01:14:51,151 --> 01:14:56,854
extend it, based on no
legal procedure aside
1044
01:14:56,895 --> 01:14:59,215
from issuing an
administrative order.
1045
01:14:59,256 --> 01:15:01,811
People are arrested without
knowing what they are
1046
01:15:01,852 --> 01:15:04,426
in for. They've never been
charged with anything.
1047
01:15:04,467 --> 01:15:06,809
The way it’s been done
by Israel is absolutely
1048
01:15:06,850 --> 01:15:08,977
in contravention of
international law.
1049
01:15:10,337 --> 01:15:12,872
I remember a famous
Palestinian political
1050
01:15:12,913 --> 01:15:15,291
prisoner in the ‘70s.
He spent around
1051
01:15:15,332 --> 01:15:17,131
seven years under administrative
1052
01:15:17,151 --> 01:15:19,863
detention. It’s
really scary, because
1053
01:15:19,863 --> 01:15:21,329
you don’t know
anything, and they
1054
01:15:21,349 --> 01:15:22,703
use it as part of the torture.
1055
01:15:22,703 --> 01:15:25,312
For example it’s the day
after six months or
1056
01:15:25,332 --> 01:15:28,416
one year in jail, and
this is your last day,
1057
01:15:28,457 --> 01:15:32,534
the day you are released.
They come to the jail,
1058
01:15:32,575 --> 01:15:35,508
they call your name. you
collect all your stuff.
1059
01:15:35,508 --> 01:15:37,372
You are released.
You say bye-bye to
1060
01:15:37,392 --> 01:15:39,276
the prisoners, and
you move outside,
1061
01:15:39,276 --> 01:15:41,561
and the officer comes,
“Sorry, another
1062
01:15:41,581 --> 01:15:43,768
six months” and you
go back to jail.
1063
01:15:44,282 --> 01:15:47,766
Administrative detention,
very similar to the
1064
01:15:47,807 --> 01:15:50,931
detention without trial
in South Africa.
1065
01:15:51,192 --> 01:15:52,651
When you are about
to be released,
1066
01:15:52,692 --> 01:15:54,340
they will release you
and let you walk
1067
01:15:54,381 --> 01:15:56,502
a few steps and re-arrest you.
Which is,
1068
01:15:56,543 --> 01:15:58,382
by the way, is another
form of torture,
1069
01:15:58,382 --> 01:16:01,051
because you never
actually are sure as
1070
01:16:01,092 --> 01:16:04,895
to whether you will
be totally released.
1071
01:16:06,113 --> 01:16:11,877
I was arrested in 1985,
and there was nothing
1072
01:16:11,918 --> 01:16:14,934
illegal about what it
was that I was doing,
1073
01:16:14,975 --> 01:16:18,043
and they knew that they could,
therefore, not take me to court
1074
01:16:18,347 --> 01:16:21,620
and charge me with anything.
They basically
1075
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,484
detained us because
they could do it.
1076
01:16:25,511 --> 01:16:27,861
Why did Mandela become the hero
1077
01:16:27,902 --> 01:16:30,168
of the political
prisoners issue?
1078
01:16:30,168 --> 01:16:33,222
He spent 27 years
in the Apartheid
1079
01:16:33,242 --> 01:16:36,842
system jail. Right now
we have prisoners
1080
01:16:36,842 --> 01:16:38,614
that have spent
more than 30 years
1081
01:16:38,655 --> 01:16:40,668
in jail, more than Mandela.
1082
01:16:42,245 --> 01:16:46,168
Why doesn’t the international
community pay attention to that?
1083
01:16:46,770 --> 01:16:49,270
(gunshots)
1084
01:16:57,243 --> 01:17:00,254
Within one year of each
other, both Israel and
1085
01:17:00,295 --> 01:17:03,365
South Africa launched
“Operation Iron Fist”,
1086
01:17:03,406 --> 01:17:06,239
brutal and overwhelming
campaigns to crush
1087
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,933
opposition to their
respective polices.
1088
01:17:09,055 --> 01:17:11,405
With the “Iron Fist”
policy, they used
1089
01:17:11,511 --> 01:17:14,533
to open the handcuffs
and take people's
1090
01:17:14,574 --> 01:17:18,325
arms like this and break the
bone in this way.
1091
01:17:23,001 --> 01:17:28,285
I still remember the sound of my
friend when they broke his arm.
1092
01:17:28,385 --> 01:17:33,512
The sound is still in my ear.
I will never ever forget that.
1093
01:17:43,138 --> 01:17:49,963
They went as far as killing very
many of our comrades brutally,
1094
01:17:50,268 --> 01:17:53,700
acts that you can never imagine.
1095
01:17:58,717 --> 01:18:01,547
The South African
Defense Forces, as they
1096
01:18:01,588 --> 01:18:05,082
were called, their army
and navy was almost
1097
01:18:05,123 --> 01:18:08,267
totally outfitted by
Israel, because South
1098
01:18:08,287 --> 01:18:11,157
Africa couldn't get
weapons from other
1099
01:18:11,157 --> 01:18:13,922
countries. Israel
was one of the only
1100
01:18:13,942 --> 01:18:17,059
countries willing to
break the arms embargo.
1101
01:18:17,188 --> 01:18:20,145
Well, the alliance
started in earnest
1102
01:18:20,186 --> 01:18:25,672
in 1973. By 1979, 35%
of Israel's arms
1103
01:18:25,713 --> 01:18:27,934
exports were going to
South Africa, so they
1104
01:18:27,975 --> 01:18:30,189
became a crucial
client, and a crucial
1105
01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:33,349
source for export revenue that
Israel couldn’t give up easily.
1106
01:18:33,390 --> 01:18:35,232
It involved everything
from tanks to
1107
01:18:35,273 --> 01:18:37,059
aircraft to ammunition
and you name it.
1108
01:18:37,100 --> 01:18:39,913
After 1977 there’s
a mandatory U.N.
1109
01:18:39,954 --> 01:18:42,961
arms embargo.
Israel violated the
1110
01:18:43,002 --> 01:18:46,828
U.N. arms embargo openly,
and many Israeli
1111
01:18:46,848 --> 01:18:49,978
officials are happy
to admit that.
1112
01:18:49,978 --> 01:18:51,378
If you talk to South
African defense
1113
01:18:51,398 --> 01:18:52,856
officials, especially
people from the
1114
01:18:52,856 --> 01:18:54,504
air force, they tell you that
1115
01:18:54,545 --> 01:18:56,884
Israel was an
absolutely vital link
1116
01:18:56,925 --> 01:18:59,998
and was a lifeline for them
during the 1980s.
1117
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:06,973
After 1977, the ideological
component becomes much stronger.
1118
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:09,053
The top brass of the
two militaries really
1119
01:19:09,094 --> 01:19:11,032
felt that they were in
a similar predicament
1120
01:19:11,073 --> 01:19:14,965
and that they faced a
common enemy. They also
1121
01:19:15,006 --> 01:19:18,882
had a very similar
conception of minority
1122
01:19:18,923 --> 01:19:21,895
survival. They felt
that Afrikaner
1123
01:19:21,936 --> 01:19:25,270
nationalists were
similar to Israelis,
1124
01:19:25,311 --> 01:19:28,289
beleaguered
minorities surrounded
1125
01:19:28,330 --> 01:19:30,358
by a hostile majority.
1126
01:19:31,848 --> 01:19:34,619
If you look at the
documents from the South
1127
01:19:34,639 --> 01:19:38,585
African defense archive,
you see dozens of
1128
01:19:38,585 --> 01:19:40,537
South Africans were
going to Israel on a
1129
01:19:40,557 --> 01:19:42,721
regular basis to attend
a variety of courses
1130
01:19:42,721 --> 01:19:45,943
that involved submarine
operation, anti-tank
1131
01:19:45,963 --> 01:19:48,988
technology, counterinsurgency
techniques,
1132
01:19:48,988 --> 01:19:51,473
you name it. They
really see the PLO
1133
01:19:51,493 --> 01:19:53,660
and the ANC as one in the same.
1134
01:19:53,788 --> 01:19:58,821
The reaction of the government
ordering a general mobilization,
1135
01:19:59,197 --> 01:20:01,561
arming the white
community, arresting
1136
01:20:01,581 --> 01:20:03,526
tens of thousands of Africans,
1137
01:20:03,526 --> 01:20:06,382
a show of force
throughout the country,
1138
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:09,206
closed a chapter as
far as our methods
1139
01:20:09,206 --> 01:20:11,067
of political struggle
are concerned.
1140
01:20:12,111 --> 01:20:15,285
There are many people
who feel that it
1141
01:20:15,305 --> 01:20:18,662
is useless and futile
for us to continue
1142
01:20:18,662 --> 01:20:21,098
talking peace and
nonviolence against
1143
01:20:21,139 --> 01:20:23,524
a government whose reply is only
1144
01:20:23,565 --> 01:20:28,450
savage attacks on an unarmed
and defenseless people.
1145
01:20:28,984 --> 01:20:30,665
"Bombs have exploded
almost daily
1146
01:20:30,706 --> 01:20:32,457
in the run-up to
Wednesday’s poll,
1147
01:20:32,498 --> 01:20:34,364
the latest a huge
car bomb, which
1148
01:20:34,405 --> 01:20:36,694
devastated shops in
the central town
1149
01:20:36,735 --> 01:20:39,096
of Witbank. The blasts
have been officially
1150
01:20:39,116 --> 01:20:41,389
blamed on the African
National Congress".
1151
01:20:41,895 --> 01:20:44,301
After decades of
non-violent struggle,
1152
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,959
Nelson Mandela formed
the armed wing
1153
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,483
of the African
National Congress.
1154
01:20:49,524 --> 01:20:52,175
They turned first
to sabotage, then
1155
01:20:52,175 --> 01:20:54,668
to civilian bombings
in order to have
1156
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:57,512
their political
aspirations recognized.
1157
01:20:57,848 --> 01:21:00,312
"If this was the work
of the ANC, it’s their
1158
01:21:00,353 --> 01:21:02,837
boldest attack to date,
and demonstrates the
1159
01:21:02,878 --> 01:21:06,215
organization’s determination
to carry the guerilla
1160
01:21:06,256 --> 01:21:08,933
war to South Africa's
major city centers."
1161
01:21:10,981 --> 01:21:13,614
(music)
1162
01:21:16,769 --> 01:21:18,669
"The explosion
tore apart the bus
1163
01:21:18,689 --> 01:21:20,496
in the very heart of Jerusalem,
1164
01:21:20,496 --> 01:21:23,234
killing many of those on board.
It was the
1165
01:21:23,254 --> 01:21:26,011
mirror image of last
week’s suicide bomb."
1166
01:21:26,162 --> 01:21:30,004
I am pained when I
read the story of a
1167
01:21:30,045 --> 01:21:35,020
65-year-old Palestinian
woman who became
1168
01:21:35,061 --> 01:21:38,637
the carrier of a
suicide bomb, and in a
1169
01:21:38,703 --> 01:21:42,569
note she indicated that
she had to do that
1170
01:21:42,569 --> 01:21:45,948
because she was
trying to save her
1171
01:21:45,989 --> 01:21:48,450
grandchildren from being killed,
1172
01:21:48,705 --> 01:21:53,596
and we’re saying what unfair
choices to put before people.
1173
01:21:56,614 --> 01:21:59,356
(music)
1174
01:22:04,679 --> 01:22:07,160
Security and terrorism
are important issues,
1175
01:22:07,201 --> 01:22:10,700
but they’re symptoms.
They’re not independent
1176
01:22:10,741 --> 01:22:14,409
variables. Israel is
the strong party. Once
1177
01:22:14,450 --> 01:22:17,301
you bring the occupation
into the picture,
1178
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:20,441
there isn’t any more symmetry.
There’s no
1179
01:22:20,461 --> 01:22:23,338
more both sides—us
and them—the balance
1180
01:22:23,338 --> 01:22:25,372
that everybody loves.
Palestinians
1181
01:22:25,392 --> 01:22:26,976
aren’t occupying Tel Aviv.
1182
01:22:27,659 --> 01:22:30,011
We are pleading that we do not
1183
01:22:30,052 --> 01:22:32,399
wait for more people
to be killed.
1184
01:22:32,399 --> 01:22:35,773
It is quite apparent
that the political
1185
01:22:35,814 --> 01:22:38,856
authorities will on
their own not act.
1186
01:22:38,897 --> 01:22:41,697
We need to pressurize them.
1187
01:22:42,778 --> 01:22:45,645
(singing)
1188
01:23:04,203 --> 01:23:07,680
(singing)
1189
01:23:15,373 --> 01:23:17,939
Despite all this
repressive machinery,
1190
01:23:17,959 --> 01:23:20,678
there’s a general kind
of agreement that
1191
01:23:20,678 --> 01:23:23,276
it was the international
dimension and the
1192
01:23:23,296 --> 01:23:25,732
internal resistance,
the South African
1193
01:23:25,732 --> 01:23:28,031
Intifada, if you
like, that really
1194
01:23:28,051 --> 01:23:29,765
brought an end to Apartheid.
1195
01:23:29,806 --> 01:23:31,901
You had a mass of
people, people’s
1196
01:23:31,942 --> 01:23:34,831
movements, and resistance
organizations etc.
1197
01:23:34,872 --> 01:23:37,226
that were in terms
of numbers of people
1198
01:23:37,267 --> 01:23:40,617
quite large, but
weak, taking on very
1199
01:23:40,658 --> 01:23:42,796
sophisticated structures
of repression.
1200
01:23:42,837 --> 01:23:44,775
So, a really
powerful opponent on
1201
01:23:44,816 --> 01:23:47,648
one hand, and a weak
one on the other.
1202
01:23:48,679 --> 01:23:51,832
It was the international
isolation campaign
1203
01:23:51,832 --> 01:23:55,521
that brought a sense of balance
between the two.
1204
01:23:58,670 --> 01:24:01,945
At that point, the South
Africans actually
1205
01:24:01,986 --> 01:24:05,054
seek out advice
from the Israelis
1206
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:06,907
on how to sell themselves in the
1207
01:24:06,948 --> 01:24:08,835
West and how to
improve their image.
1208
01:24:08,876 --> 01:24:12,511
The South Africans
looked to Israel as a
1209
01:24:12,552 --> 01:24:16,175
sort of beacon, and
they didn't understand
1210
01:24:16,175 --> 01:24:19,178
why Israel had
managed to withstand
1211
01:24:19,198 --> 01:24:22,138
criticism for decades
and survive,
1212
01:24:22,138 --> 01:24:24,624
and why South
Africa was failing.
1213
01:24:26,172 --> 01:24:29,499
A lot of Israelis fear
that they may one
1214
01:24:29,540 --> 01:24:31,921
day be delegitimized
in the same way
1215
01:24:31,962 --> 01:24:33,442
South Africa was.
1216
01:24:35,695 --> 01:24:39,046
(hip-hop music)
1217
01:25:16,843 --> 01:25:18,450
What we would like
is for the public
1218
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:20,097
to realize that they
actually have a
1219
01:25:20,097 --> 01:25:21,710
real positive role to play. They
1220
01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:23,516
can actually boycott
these goods,
1221
01:25:23,516 --> 01:25:25,928
and we’re only individuals, but
1222
01:25:25,948 --> 01:25:28,694
together when we
act holistically
1223
01:25:28,694 --> 01:25:30,328
such as the protest
today, and even
1224
01:25:30,348 --> 01:25:31,957
on an individual
day-to-day basis,
1225
01:25:31,957 --> 01:25:33,930
we can have a real
impact in challenging
1226
01:25:33,950 --> 01:25:35,935
the occupation on a
long-term level.
1227
01:25:36,135 --> 01:25:38,951
The global call came in
2005 from Palestinian
1228
01:25:38,992 --> 01:25:41,849
civil society
organizations, and the idea
1229
01:25:41,890 --> 01:25:44,786
was to craft a strategy
that would be a
1230
01:25:44,827 --> 01:25:47,810
non-violent means of
pressuring Israel
1231
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to abide by international law
using economic pressure.
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01:25:51,109 --> 01:25:53,385
These campaigns are taking root.
They’re
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01:25:53,426 --> 01:25:55,141
gaining new
supporters every day.
1234
01:25:55,141 --> 01:25:57,575
The churches have taken
the lead in saying,
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01:25:57,629 --> 01:26:00,251
“We want socially
responsible investment,
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01:26:00,509 --> 01:26:02,329
and that means we
want to be sure that
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01:26:02,349 --> 01:26:04,001
none of the companies
we invest in
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are profiting from occupation.”
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01:26:06,008 --> 01:26:08,694
There are many, many,
many initiatives going
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01:26:08,735 --> 01:26:11,502
around the world for
boycotting Israeli goods
1241
01:26:11,543 --> 01:26:13,700
boycotting Israeli
institutions and so on,
1242
01:26:13,741 --> 01:26:15,803
so it’s growing, in the
cultural, academic,
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01:26:15,926 --> 01:26:19,004
medical, even trade unions.
In South
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01:26:19,024 --> 01:26:22,039
Africa COSATU, the
main trade union
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01:26:22,039 --> 01:26:24,040
body in South Africa,
which has about 2
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01:26:24,060 --> 01:26:26,081
million members,
supported the boycott.
1247
01:26:26,081 --> 01:26:28,207
There are so many.
They’re mushrooming
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01:26:28,227 --> 01:26:29,878
really in the last two years.
1249
01:26:31,993 --> 01:26:34,889
This is happening more and more.
In North
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01:26:34,930 --> 01:26:37,430
America you have
the Canadian union
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01:26:37,471 --> 01:26:40,775
of postal workers.
Prior to that, the
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01:26:40,795 --> 01:26:43,595
Canadian union of
public employees.
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01:26:45,569 --> 01:26:48,901
The incredible growing
movement, I mean, I’ve
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01:26:48,921 --> 01:26:51,908
traveled to literally
dozens of campuses
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01:26:51,908 --> 01:26:55,377
around the United
States, and there
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01:26:55,418 --> 01:26:58,668
are active divestment groups.
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01:26:58,768 --> 01:27:01,985
There are church
divestment movements that
1258
01:27:02,076 --> 01:27:04,986
are starting and really
gaining strength,
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01:27:05,027 --> 01:27:07,737
and facing incredible
resistance, but
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01:27:07,778 --> 01:27:09,855
they’re not being
deterred by it.
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01:27:10,034 --> 01:27:11,666
As our South African
comrades and
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01:27:11,707 --> 01:27:13,844
colleagues remind us,
their first call for
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01:27:13,885 --> 01:27:17,260
boycott was issued
in the late 1950s.
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01:27:17,377 --> 01:27:19,622
Europe and the West
started listening
1265
01:27:19,622 --> 01:27:22,116
in the ‘70s, early
‘80s, so it took them
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01:27:22,136 --> 01:27:24,541
30 years to get anybody
to listen to them.
1267
01:27:24,584 --> 01:27:26,522
So we’re doing much
better they tell us.
1268
01:27:26,563 --> 01:27:28,378
You’re going much
faster than we did.
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01:27:30,994 --> 01:27:34,517
(hip-hop music)
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01:27:58,638 --> 01:28:05,830
The idea of a one-state solution
begins with the notion that
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01:28:06,408 --> 01:28:10,062
no matter how they
got there, no matter
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01:28:10,103 --> 01:28:13,416
the competing
historical narratives,
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01:28:13,775 --> 01:28:16,267
the country belongs to all who
live in it.
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01:28:16,484 --> 01:28:20,650
Let 100% of the people
live in 100% of the land,
1275
01:28:20,744 --> 01:28:24,225
Since nobody can agree
on how to divide it.
1276
01:28:24,801 --> 01:28:26,900
Israel’s going to
have to stop being a
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01:28:26,941 --> 01:28:29,713
Jewish state. It can't
be an ethnocracy,
1278
01:28:29,931 --> 01:28:32,376
and it has to become
a democracy, whether
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01:28:32,396 --> 01:28:34,567
it’s a one-state or
a confederation,
1280
01:28:34,567 --> 01:28:36,532
or whatever the
arrangement is, that’s
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what’s going to have to happen.
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01:28:38,181 --> 01:28:40,689
And it doesn’t mean,
I try to tell
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01:28:40,730 --> 01:28:44,845
Israelis, that
everything’s lost.
1284
01:28:44,993 --> 01:28:48,286
In South Africa, people
still talk Afrikaans.
1285
01:28:48,327 --> 01:28:50,963
They still have an
Afrikaner university.
1286
01:28:50,963 --> 01:28:54,595
You know, nobody’s going to stop
speaking Hebrew here.
1287
01:28:54,874 --> 01:28:56,566
You’re restructuring.
It’ll be in a
1288
01:28:56,607 --> 01:28:58,369
different, healthier
environment.
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01:28:58,410 --> 01:29:01,641
That's the challange, That’s why
I like this one-state idea.
1290
01:29:02,244 --> 01:29:04,174
You know, it wasn’t
only blacks who
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01:29:04,215 --> 01:29:06,234
were freed when Apartheid ended.
1292
01:29:06,275 --> 01:29:08,853
I was freed. We all were freed.
We were
1293
01:29:08,894 --> 01:29:12,321
liberated from this
terrible corrosive
1294
01:29:12,362 --> 01:29:17,067
vision of trying to build an
ethnically pure state.
1295
01:29:17,403 --> 01:29:22,700
And decades of Apartheid regime
propaganda, like decades of
1296
01:29:22,741 --> 01:29:26,694
Zionist propaganda,
said to the people: “If
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you give up control,
you will be devoured.
1298
01:29:30,176 --> 01:29:32,792
You will be thrown into the sea.
You will be killed.”
1299
01:29:33,140 --> 01:29:35,869
And so it was very
important for the
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01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:40,148
anti-Apartheid
movement to offer to
1301
01:29:40,189 --> 01:29:43,920
ordinary white citizens
a credible alternative
1302
01:29:43,961 --> 01:29:48,003
message. To say: “You
will not be devoured.
1303
01:29:48,003 --> 01:29:52,016
You give up the system, and you
will have a place in the future,
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01:29:52,016 --> 01:29:53,869
and it’s an inclusive future.”
1305
01:29:57,119 --> 01:29:59,154
There’s already a one-state.
It’s already
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01:29:59,195 --> 01:30:01,103
one state, but it’s
a one-state living
1307
01:30:01,144 --> 01:30:03,943
under Apartheid. It’s
how to transform it
1308
01:30:03,984 --> 01:30:06,533
from Apartheid to
democracy where people
1309
01:30:06,533 --> 01:30:09,267
get equal rights based
on citizenship, not on
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01:30:09,308 --> 01:30:12,736
ethnicity, religion, gender,
or any other identity.
1311
01:30:15,033 --> 01:30:18,118
(singing)
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01:30:23,537 --> 01:30:26,939
In South Africa saying
that the country
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01:30:26,980 --> 01:30:29,709
belongs to all who
live in it doesn't
1314
01:30:29,709 --> 01:30:32,961
magically solve the problems.
There are
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01:30:33,002 --> 01:30:35,782
still massive political
struggles in South
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01:30:35,782 --> 01:30:38,967
Africa over resource
allocation, over
1317
01:30:38,987 --> 01:30:42,277
the speed of land
reform, the speed of
1318
01:30:42,277 --> 01:30:45,442
economic reform, over
affirmative action.
1319
01:30:48,078 --> 01:30:50,705
Those struggles for
social justice
1320
01:30:50,875 --> 01:30:53,760
continue, but they have to start
1321
01:30:53,801 --> 01:30:58,064
from the premise that everyone
is entitled to equal rights.
1322
01:30:58,164 --> 01:31:01,139
But you know the world
doesn’t stand still.
1323
01:31:01,705 --> 01:31:04,775
There are people I meet
today in South Africa
1324
01:31:04,775 --> 01:31:07,092
who don’t understand
what Apartheid
1325
01:31:07,112 --> 01:31:09,124
was about. They've come into a
1326
01:31:09,124 --> 01:31:12,550
whole new world, so
it’s not impossible
1327
01:31:12,570 --> 01:31:15,240
to think of other generations.
1328
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,858
We must have the ability
to think beyond our
1329
01:31:18,878 --> 01:31:21,970
own generation, to
think into the future.
1330
01:31:23,904 --> 01:31:26,181
What does it matter
if a man is white
1331
01:31:26,222 --> 01:31:30,517
or black? What does
it matter if he’s
1332
01:31:30,558 --> 01:31:35,775
a Jew or he’s an Arab?
It is possible.
1333
01:31:35,881 --> 01:31:38,628
Israel, it is possible.
1334
01:31:38,816 --> 01:31:44,830
It is possible to have peace
with Jews and Arabs
1335
01:31:44,952 --> 01:31:49,572
if the heart is ready,
if the soul is ready,
1336
01:31:49,704 --> 01:31:57,612
if we can transcend these petty
foibles of power and pomposity,
1337
01:31:57,721 --> 01:32:01,939
and we say to this world: “It
is possible.”
1338
01:32:04,391 --> 01:32:06,111
It is possible.
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