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(BELL TOLLING)
(DOG BARKING IN DISTANCE)
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(CAR HORN HONKS)
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(ENGINE STARTS)
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MAN: His given name is Benjamin
Barnwright, but everybody calls him Benji.
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Came back to town,
just like I told you he would.
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Benji was home watching TV
the night Beverly Jean was killed?
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That's what he told us and I believe him.
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He let us search his car, no warrant.
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And we didn't find a thing
except for some of Beverly Jean's hair,
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...but in the passenger seat,
like you'd expect it.
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Passenger seat's not the best way
to transport a corpse, I'll give you that.
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But you said he was home alone
watching TV?
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- That's not much of an alibi.
- Why?
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Isn't that what most people do
most nights of the week?
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Benjamin is definitely most people.
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He's worked the same job
ever since high school,
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...bagging groceries at the A&P.
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Works at the A&P? Does he have access
to a delivery vehicle?
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Nope. Only works the floor.
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Is he expecting us?
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He's in mourning,
I thought it'd be polite to let him know.
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We should've brought a six pack.
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(THUNDER RUMBLES)
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- Can I get you some coffee?
- Sure.
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- It's instant.
- None for me, thanks.
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I'll wait.
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Uh...
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I got some donuts, too.
Half glazed, half cake.
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I'd love a donut. Thanks, Benjamin.
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Thanks for meeting with us,
Mr. Barnwright.
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Benjamin.
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I'm Bill Tench, this is Holden Ford.
We're with the FBI.
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He told me you'll be helping
with the case.
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We're sorry about your girlfriend.
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(TEARFUL) I still can't believe it.
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- HOLDEN: How long were you with her?
- Eighteen months.
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So this was pretty serious.
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We just got engaged.
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TENCH: Big step.
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- I knew she was it when I met her.
- How'd you know?
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Uh, we saw things the same way.
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- HOLDEN: And you're how old?
- Twenty-six.
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You play sports in high school?
I'm guessing not the football team.
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- Band? Debate?
- No.
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Then what did you do?
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Uh, I... nothing.
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Well, you're doing good now.
Got your own place and everything.
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Got this place for Beverly Jean.
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HOLDEN: She ask you to move?
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I wanted us to have some privacy.
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Where were you before?
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A few blocks over on Chestnut.
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- With your family?
- Uh, with my mom.
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It must have been hard on her,
seeing you leave home.
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I think she was happy to see me move on.
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She loved Beverly Jean as much as I did.
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Mrs. Barnwright goes to my church, too.
First United Methodist.
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So you two know each other from church?
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Yeah. You and Rose.
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Mostly by sight now.
I don't go much anymore.
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Was your mother a disciplinarian?
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You mean strict?
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HOLDEN: Yeah. She crack the whip?
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Uh...
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She just cried.
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Well, I'm sure it was difficult
raising two kids without a dad.
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Yeah, he split when I was ten.
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- What was your father like?
- I don't much remember him.
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You and Beverly Jean ever fight?
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Perfectly normal for a young couple.
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Sometimes.
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TENCH: What'd you fight about?
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Just stupid stuff.
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Like what?
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Like, uh...
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...what movie to go to.
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- TENCH: Any nerves around the engagement?
- No, sir.
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You got this place for her?
Did she like it?
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She, uh...
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She wanted to make it pretty
when she moved in.
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TENCH: When was that gonna be?
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- After the wedding.
- Traditional, huh?
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- Yeah.
- HOLDEN: Was that for your mother?
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That was just to keep it proper.
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Was she saving herself for marriage?
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Well, maybe she didn't want to wait.
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Girls like fooling around
just as much as boys.
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That's okay, Benjamin.
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We understand, that's...
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That's private.
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We'll keep it private.
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BENJAMIN: Uh, well...
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Beverly Jean was, uh, my...
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...first, uh...
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Your first sexual experience?
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Yeah.
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But she was nice.
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I don't know what all this has to do
with what happened to her...
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Listen, Benjamin.
We're from a particular unit of the FBI.
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We investigate murders
when there's a sexual angle.
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It may be unpleasant, but it's what we do.
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(SOBBING)
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It's awful, what was done to her.
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Does he know?
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Mark, seriously?
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He only knows about the breasts.
It was another officer...
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- It's hard keeping this quiet.
- I want to talk to Mrs. Barnwright.
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Should we stop at a pay phone,
give her a heads up, too?
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- That'd be fair.
- HOLDEN: What about the tears?
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- I didn't buy them.
- Think he was faking?
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- TENCH: Seemed a bit much.
- MARK: Given what he's been through?
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- It sure got us out of there.
- He's obviously a mama's boy.
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Or he knows how to play one.
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What do you mean?
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He was a virgin? He serves donuts?
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All of that could have been rehearsed,
especially since he knew we were coming.
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Benjamin has never seemed
like a performer to me.
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Two Feds in your living room
would make anybody nervous.
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Look at him, you think
he could have easily moved a body?
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Not without bursting into tears.
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(LAUGHS)
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WOMAN: I always worried about Benjamin.
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TENCH: He was living with you
when he met Beverly Jean?
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- He was so excited to have a girlfriend.
- Did she reciprocate those feelings?
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He said that she was crazy about him.
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- Did you meet her?
- Of course.
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What were they like together?
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Well, they were... normal.
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She teased him a lot. He pretended
not to enjoy it, but I know he did.
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Benjamin told us
the two of them argued sometimes.
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Did you see him?
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This morning.
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Is he in trouble?
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We're just going over the case again,
talking to everyone who knew Beverly Jean.
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Well... I never heard them argue.
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Benjamin is soft, you know.
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What was he like as a kid?
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He was always sensitive.
But when his father ran off, he just...
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HOLDEN: What do you mean?
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Well...
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...he started to cry a lot, wet the bed.
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- He wouldn't leave the house.
- HOLDEN: That must have been difficult.
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I had to leave the kids
on their own a lot.
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Rose helped out,
but she was just so little.
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Those were hard years.
I did a lot of praying.
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But then Rose met Frank
and he moved in with us.
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Frank Janderman.
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WOMAN: That's right.
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They just had a baby, you know.
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Your first grandchild?
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Congratulations.
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People talked about Frank back then,
but I never listened to all that.
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I loved him from the first time I met him.
I still do.
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Did Benjamin feel the same way?
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Well, he started to go out, you know.
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He became friends with Frank.
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Frank protected him.
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He wouldn't let anyone near Rose.
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He even got Benji a job
so I didn't have to work two shifts.
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Sometimes Rose said
I loved him more than she did.
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When was this?
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Well, uh... they got married at 18,
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...so Rose must have been...
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15, 16 at the time.
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Frank moved in. Why?
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Well, I don't remember.
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He had some problems at home
with his father, as young boys do.
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But he got them their own place
when they married.
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And Benjamin lived at home with you
until he met Beverly Jean?
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It's been a strange time.
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We were so happy that Rose and Frank
were having a baby,
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...and then Benjamin loses his love
in such a horrible way. (SOBS)
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Like mother, like son.
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You think there's a gene for crying?
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I keep wondering why Beverly was
with him in the first place.
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She might have liked that he was older,
easy to talk to. He's sensitive.
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"Half glazed, half cake"?
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Sure.
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I bet Beverly had poor old pipsqueak Benji
wrapped around her golden triangle.
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Maybe she wanted a nice guy
with a steady income who loved her.
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Whatever you say, Ocasek.
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What's that?
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We were just saying there's not much here.
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I assured Mrs. Barnwright
this was a formality.
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- It's not a formality.
- Well, I can tell her it is.
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So where does this leave us?
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There's still Alvin.
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You don't want it to be someone
in the community. Neither of you do.
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Who drives all this way
to come to some rust belt town?
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If you're hunting for girls,
you got big cities.
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You got freeways with hitchhikers.
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Why choose a place like this?
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How would a drifter
know where the dump is?
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- Hi.
- There you are.
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I got all kinds of fun things
for you to look over.
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Ooh. Paperwork?
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Yeah, it's hardly sexy, but I'm trying
to put together a list of questions...
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...for the killers that you interview.
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Things like family history, mood,
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...thought patterns before, during,
and after the crime.
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This is just a first draft, but look it
over and let me know what you think.
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Shouldn't we tailor the interviews
based on the killer's personality?
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You mean just wing it?
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With these guys,
we need to look for different ways in.
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Yes, but we still need a data set
that's consistent across all our subjects.
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You leaving?
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- Back to Boston.
- You just got here.
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Well, until you conduct more interviews,
there's really nothing for me to do here.
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We had a really interesting conversation
with the fiancé of that victim in Altoona.
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- I got a taxi waiting.
- Cancel it. I'll drive you.
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- Let me take your bag.
- Thank you.
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He lost it. I've never seen a guy
cry like that.
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Bill was skeptical.
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- But you believed him?
- It looked real.
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Well, how did it feel?
I mean, were you moved?
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- Did you want to comfort him?
- I wanted him to stop.
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Why'd you want him to stop?
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I don't know, maybe I'm just callous.
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Try a little harder, Holden.
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It felt wrong.
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Benjamin was blubbering like a baby,
but it didn't seem vulnerable.
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It felt hostile.
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You know, psychopaths are extremely
skilled at imitating human emotions.
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It's how they manipulate other people...
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...or how they gain power
over their environment.
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How do they understand emotions
if they don't have them?
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Well, they have emotions. They just
don't believe other people have them.
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Or more specifically, they don't believe
that other people have interior lives.
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How do we sniff them out?
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Well, it seems like you just did.
Trust your instincts.
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The whole town sees Benjamin as this lost
little puppy that needs protecting.
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Maybe my instincts are wrong.
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Well, we're developing a methodology,
so use it.
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Look at where the perpetrator went.
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Hair, breasts, vagina,
all symbols of her sexual power.
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Disfiguring her reproductive organs
was a way to neutralize her.
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What about the hair on the ironing board?
Was that some kind of display?
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Like a trophy.
A way to assert his dominance.
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Benjamin is anything but assertive.
Beverly's the first woman he slept with.
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- How old is he?
- Twenty-six.
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So that would give the relationship
an extra significance.
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Bill thinks the only reason
she was with him...
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...is because she has total
sexual control over him.
244
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Well, what's her history?
Was she a virgin, too?
245
00:14:47,761 --> 00:14:48,929
He was touchy about that.
246
00:14:49,013 --> 00:14:53,183
So then she had some experience,
which could either excite or threaten him.
247
00:14:53,267 --> 00:14:55,811
In the photo,
she looks like the girl next door.
248
00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:59,315
You really believe that a young,
pretty girl can't be manipulative?
249
00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:02,192
CARR: Even if she
was using sex to control him,
250
00:15:02,276 --> 00:15:04,069
...and you have absolutely no evidence
for this,
251
00:15:04,153 --> 00:15:07,823
...then it would be what many women do
to have an ounce of power in this world.
252
00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:09,700
Fine, but if it went too far,
253
00:15:09,783 --> 00:15:12,328
...if something happened
and Benjamin snapped,
254
00:15:12,411 --> 00:15:14,663
...could feelings of impotence
explain his rage?
255
00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:18,125
Could it explain him going back four days
later to cut her up like you said,
256
00:15:18,208 --> 00:15:20,669
- ...as an attempt to assert control?
- Possibly.
257
00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:23,172
But then wouldn't the rape
already have accomplished that?
258
00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:25,174
- Accomplish control?
- Exactly.
259
00:15:25,591 --> 00:15:28,177
In all the crimes we've studied,
there's never been an example...
260
00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:30,512
...of a victim being raped
then depersonalized.
261
00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:32,514
If the killer mutilates her after death,
262
00:15:32,598 --> 00:15:34,850
...then he usually commits sexual acts
after death as well.
263
00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:37,645
To make up for his sense of inadequacy
while she was still alive.
264
00:15:37,728 --> 00:15:40,522
It's like there's two different
presentations in this crime scene.
265
00:15:40,606 --> 00:15:42,816
(INDISTINCT PA ANNOUNCEMENT)
266
00:15:44,151 --> 00:15:45,986
Anybody picking you up in Boston?
267
00:15:46,528 --> 00:15:48,614
I'll grab a cab. Bye.
268
00:15:49,323 --> 00:15:52,409
(ROCK MUSIC PLAYS)
269
00:15:55,204 --> 00:15:57,623
(DOORBELL RINGS)
270
00:15:57,706 --> 00:15:59,959
- Hey.
- Hey. What are you...
271
00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:05,214
- Up to?
- Studying.
272
00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:07,049
Pulling an all-nighter.
273
00:16:07,132 --> 00:16:10,386
Writing a paper on C. Wright Mills
and the power elite.
274
00:16:11,845 --> 00:16:13,097
Due tomorrow.
275
00:16:14,682 --> 00:16:16,266
It's about the people
who really run this country.
276
00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:19,144
Hardly what our democracy
is supposed to be about.
277
00:16:20,062 --> 00:16:22,147
- Are you okay?
- What?
278
00:16:22,231 --> 00:16:24,151
- You seem...
- Oh. My friend gave me diet pills.
279
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,568
- Really?
- Speed actually makes this interesting.
280
00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:30,656
May I see those?
281
00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:35,494
Great for concentration,
keeps you totally focused.
282
00:16:35,577 --> 00:16:38,747
- Beer? Coffee? Tea?
- Is this legal?
283
00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:41,083
Uh-oh. Out comes the narc.
284
00:16:44,878 --> 00:16:49,633
We were digging into his relationship
with the fiancé and he burst into tears.
285
00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:51,301
Bill thought he was bullshitting,
286
00:16:51,385 --> 00:16:55,139
...but psychopaths are extremely skilled
at imitating human emotions.
287
00:16:55,222 --> 00:16:56,890
I once went crying to my professor.
288
00:16:58,684 --> 00:16:59,768
You fake cried?
289
00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:02,938
Made up an elaborate story about my dad
in some horrendous accident.
290
00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,898
- When was this?
- My freshman year.
291
00:17:04,982 --> 00:17:07,776
I was partying a little too much,
almost flunked out of school.
292
00:17:08,819 --> 00:17:09,862
The interesting thing was,
293
00:17:09,945 --> 00:17:12,197
...while I was lying,
I actually started believing it.
294
00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:14,950
Made for a good show.
He raised my grade to a C.
295
00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:16,201
- Your teacher was male.
- So?
296
00:17:16,285 --> 00:17:19,955
Women crying to men always works.
Men to men? (SCOFFS)
297
00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,708
- Not my point.
- Why were you drinking so much?
298
00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:28,213
I wanted to fit in.
I wanted to be wild and crazy.
299
00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:30,591
- Why?
- I was tired of always thinking.
300
00:17:31,216 --> 00:17:33,677
- Don't you get tired of thinking?
- No.
301
00:17:34,887 --> 00:17:37,056
And it made it easier
to sleep with people.
302
00:17:42,102 --> 00:17:45,397
- How many people did you sleep with?
- (SIGHS) Let's not.
303
00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:48,192
- A lot?
- What difference does that make?
304
00:17:48,275 --> 00:17:50,736
- Just curious.
- And judgmental.
305
00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:53,489
Five...
306
00:17:54,948 --> 00:17:56,909
- Ten...
- This is getting tedious.
307
00:18:00,037 --> 00:18:03,290
- Ten?
- Holden... I'm not doing this.
308
00:18:06,126 --> 00:18:07,336
(WHISPERS) Ten.
309
00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:09,296
(DISTANT GUNFIRE)
310
00:18:09,379 --> 00:18:10,214
TENCH: Uh-huh.
311
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:15,761
- Jesus.
- MAN: I know. What do we do?
312
00:18:15,844 --> 00:18:17,484
- Hell, pick him up.
- What do I tell him?
313
00:18:17,554 --> 00:18:21,266
Don't tell him anything. Let him stew
for a few hours until we get there.
314
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:22,184
Okay.
315
00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:25,604
Ocasek looked into Frank Janderman.
316
00:18:26,146 --> 00:18:29,191
Apparently, in high school,
he was sent to a psychiatric hospital...
317
00:18:29,274 --> 00:18:31,026
...for taking a monkey wrench to a girl.
318
00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:34,238
- Frank Janderman?
- Rose's husband.
319
00:18:37,574 --> 00:18:38,951
We should get this on tape.
320
00:18:42,871 --> 00:18:45,290
So I got to thinking,
why did Mrs. Barnwright...
321
00:18:45,374 --> 00:18:47,459
...say people were talking
about Frank back then?
322
00:18:47,876 --> 00:18:49,795
- What were they talking about, right?
- Right.
323
00:18:49,878 --> 00:18:52,464
So I talked to this family court judge
who's a friend of mine.
324
00:18:52,548 --> 00:18:54,341
Sure enough, he remembers the case.
325
00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:56,218
Since Frank was a juvenile
when the assault occurred,
326
00:18:56,301 --> 00:18:57,461
...the court sealed the records.
327
00:18:58,011 --> 00:19:00,472
Fortunately, the judge
is a very good friend of mine.
328
00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:02,863
Here's what we've got on Frank's hearing,
329
00:19:04,393 --> 00:19:05,686
...and his time at Warren State.
330
00:19:05,769 --> 00:19:07,062
Nice work, Mark.
331
00:19:07,437 --> 00:19:10,274
This is where your community system
pays off.
332
00:19:10,357 --> 00:19:12,317
He's been here since nine.
Maybe we should...
333
00:19:12,401 --> 00:19:13,402
Let him wait.
334
00:19:15,195 --> 00:19:16,738
Why don't we have a cup of coffee?
335
00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:19,992
If Frank's a hothead,
it'll irritate him, throw him off.
336
00:19:22,494 --> 00:19:23,996
Class of '71?
337
00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:26,415
- Yep.
- You go to your five-year reunion?
338
00:19:27,416 --> 00:19:29,543
I don't really keep up with that stuff.
339
00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:33,164
It's commendable that you graduated,
seeing as how you missed your junior year.
340
00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:35,549
What do you want from me?
I've been here all day.
341
00:19:35,632 --> 00:19:38,677
- I answered all your questions last week.
- We just have a few more.
342
00:19:40,596 --> 00:19:42,014
You've got everyone in a tizzy.
343
00:19:42,806 --> 00:19:44,224
- You mean Benjamin?
- Yeah.
344
00:19:44,308 --> 00:19:48,896
The whole family. Me, my wife, mom.
You scared the shit out of Benji.
345
00:19:48,979 --> 00:19:51,607
(SIGHS) I'm sorry if we scared everyone.
346
00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:53,609
And for keeping you for so long.
347
00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:55,903
Beverly Jean Shaw was close
with your family.
348
00:19:55,986 --> 00:19:57,613
We're simply looking
for a little background.
349
00:19:57,696 --> 00:19:58,697
She wasn't that close.
350
00:19:59,948 --> 00:20:01,491
She was about to marry
your brother-in-law.
351
00:20:01,575 --> 00:20:02,701
They hadn't set a date.
352
00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,997
- I didn't spend a lot of time with him.
- You and Benjamin aren't close?
353
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,999
What's this "close" shit?
That's like women.
354
00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:12,461
Mrs. Barnwright said
you looked out for him.
355
00:20:13,545 --> 00:20:16,465
- Well, yeah, he's a shrimp.
- And he's your brother-in-law.
356
00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:18,175
Yep.
357
00:20:18,258 --> 00:20:21,053
- So you would help him if he needed it.
- Yep.
358
00:20:24,097 --> 00:20:25,933
Did you fight a lot in high school?
359
00:20:26,516 --> 00:20:27,351
Like Popeye.
360
00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:33,315
How'd you land yourself
in Warren State Psychiatric Hospital?
361
00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:38,111
It's probably in your fucking file.
362
00:20:38,654 --> 00:20:40,072
We want to hear your side.
363
00:20:41,448 --> 00:20:43,492
(EXHALES)
364
00:20:43,992 --> 00:20:46,495
This girl freaked out on me,
came after me with a wrench.
365
00:20:46,578 --> 00:20:49,206
I tried to get it,
it swang back, hit her in the face.
366
00:20:49,289 --> 00:20:51,416
Then all this shit
came raining down on me.
367
00:20:52,334 --> 00:20:53,794
Why'd she freak out?
368
00:20:53,877 --> 00:20:57,130
- I was seeing some other girl, too.
- You a ladies man?
369
00:20:57,214 --> 00:20:58,924
Maybe. Back then.
370
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,511
- They sent you to a mental institution.
- That was bullshit.
371
00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:05,222
- I had to go, it was part of the plea.
- You did a plea deal?
372
00:21:05,305 --> 00:21:07,307
Why not go to court,
tell them what you told us?
373
00:21:07,391 --> 00:21:10,686
My lawyer said I'd never win
against a sweet girl with a broken nose.
374
00:21:12,312 --> 00:21:15,148
There were other infractions, I was
running around like a jackass back then.
375
00:21:15,232 --> 00:21:18,610
- But no longer?
- I'm married now. Got a kid.
376
00:21:19,152 --> 00:21:21,863
Marriage and fatherhood
don't make anger go away.
377
00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:24,283
I wasn't angry, I was just...
378
00:21:24,366 --> 00:21:25,951
Misunderstood?
379
00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:29,454
Makes me sound like a pussy, but yeah.
380
00:21:30,706 --> 00:21:33,250
Want to tell us about the night
Beverly Jean disappeared?
381
00:21:34,042 --> 00:21:35,294
(SIGHS HEAVILY)
382
00:21:35,377 --> 00:21:39,464
I don't know. It was, uh...
typical, I guess.
383
00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:41,425
Rose was still pregnant back then.
384
00:21:41,925 --> 00:21:44,011
Got her some dinner and watched TV.
385
00:21:44,094 --> 00:21:46,221
- So you were home all night.
- No.
386
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,597
No?
387
00:21:48,265 --> 00:21:51,059
No. I told you,
I went out and got us dinner.
388
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,728
How long were you gone?
389
00:21:53,061 --> 00:21:55,772
I don't know, 15, 20 minutes maybe.
390
00:21:55,856 --> 00:21:57,566
Where'd you get food?
391
00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:59,943
Rose likes the rolls at Hannah's Diner
on Market Street.
392
00:22:00,027 --> 00:22:01,570
And Rose will confirm this?
393
00:22:02,904 --> 00:22:05,574
Am I under some kind of suspicion here?
394
00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:08,994
We're just looking at it from every angle.
395
00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:13,290
No, Beverly Jean was, uh...
was Benji's girl.
396
00:22:13,373 --> 00:22:14,750
I barely knew her.
397
00:22:14,833 --> 00:22:17,836
Strange, seeing as how she was
about to be part of the family.
398
00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:19,129
(EXHALES)
399
00:22:19,212 --> 00:22:21,048
Stop saying it like that.
400
00:22:21,465 --> 00:22:23,425
You said they hadn't set a date
for the wedding.
401
00:22:24,384 --> 00:22:27,387
- It was loose.
- They were engaged, weren't they?
402
00:22:27,471 --> 00:22:28,764
(SIGHS)
403
00:22:28,847 --> 00:22:30,307
Benji thought they were.
404
00:22:32,726 --> 00:22:37,189
The impression I got is that she was
in love with him, wanted to marry him.
405
00:22:37,606 --> 00:22:40,192
Oh, man, I don't want to rain
on his parade...
406
00:22:40,275 --> 00:22:42,569
You're saying he made the relationship
more than what it was?
407
00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:44,738
She let him call her his girlfriend.
408
00:22:44,821 --> 00:22:46,198
He got that apartment for her.
409
00:22:46,281 --> 00:22:48,617
Yeah, that was the big plan,
get her to move in.
410
00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:51,745
- Was Beverly even sleeping with him?
- Now and again.
411
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:54,581
A looker like her, he thought he'd died
and gone to heaven.
412
00:22:54,664 --> 00:22:57,793
- You found her attractive?
- She's a seven.
413
00:22:57,876 --> 00:23:00,337
Really? From the photos,
I'd give her an eight.
414
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:01,755
In Altoona, she's a solid eight.
415
00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:05,801
I thought Benji had done
pretty good for himself.
416
00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:08,303
Especially for a guy who's...
417
00:23:09,513 --> 00:23:10,806
...so quick to cry.
418
00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:12,390
Shit, yeah.
419
00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:15,519
Do you think that he was satisfying her?
420
00:23:17,771 --> 00:23:19,022
(EXHALES)
421
00:23:19,773 --> 00:23:22,651
- I don't think he was blowing her mind.
- She tell you that?
422
00:23:22,734 --> 00:23:25,821
Not in so many words, but when a chick's
enjoying it, she's all over you.
423
00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:27,614
You think Beverly Jean
knew the difference?
424
00:23:28,448 --> 00:23:31,618
You think she'd, you know...
been around?
425
00:23:32,994 --> 00:23:36,331
I'd say she was, uh... open.
426
00:23:39,543 --> 00:23:41,063
HOLDEN: Benjamin see it that way too?
427
00:23:41,503 --> 00:23:44,172
I don't know if he didn't get it
or he didn't want to.
428
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,726
Everyone we interviewed
said Beverly Jean was...
429
00:23:56,810 --> 00:24:00,313
...nice, loyal, decent.
430
00:24:00,397 --> 00:24:01,356
Well...
431
00:24:03,441 --> 00:24:06,236
...no one's gonna come right out
and say the dead girl was easy.
432
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:09,364
Frank's cagey. You hear him deflect
on that deal in high school?
433
00:24:10,198 --> 00:24:12,158
He could have made that up
about her being a slut.
434
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:12,993
What if he didn't?
435
00:24:13,535 --> 00:24:16,329
Listen, if Beverly had the upper hand
in the relationship...
436
00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:19,166
...and made Benjamin feel jealous
by seeing other men,
437
00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:23,044
...if Benjamin felt sexually powerless,
438
00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:25,881
...he might lash out with the kind of anger
we see in this crime.
439
00:24:26,506 --> 00:24:28,592
Let's see what Benjamin has to say.
440
00:24:28,675 --> 00:24:30,385
- Bring him in?
- Yeah.
441
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,679
You understand you're not under arrest?
442
00:24:32,762 --> 00:24:35,932
You're free to leave at any point,
only have to talk to us if you want to.
443
00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:38,560
And you're okay with us
recording this conversation?
444
00:24:38,643 --> 00:24:40,604
It's just so much easier
than writing everything down.
445
00:24:40,687 --> 00:24:42,731
Yeah. I want to help if I can.
446
00:24:43,857 --> 00:24:47,068
You know a lot about this case
you're not telling us, don't you?
447
00:24:47,485 --> 00:24:50,655
Uh, no,
nothing more than what I already said.
448
00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:51,656
We talked to Frank.
449
00:24:52,199 --> 00:24:54,618
He paints a different picture
of your relationship with Beverly.
450
00:24:54,701 --> 00:24:57,621
He said you made up that part
about you and her being engaged.
451
00:24:58,496 --> 00:24:59,873
Uh...
452
00:24:59,956 --> 00:25:01,708
Well, I didn't have a ring yet,
453
00:25:01,791 --> 00:25:05,545
...but, um, but I asked her and she said yes.
454
00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:07,964
It sounded like she wanted
to keep her options open.
455
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:12,344
TENCH: Benjamin?
456
00:25:15,222 --> 00:25:16,723
Did Frank say that?
457
00:25:16,806 --> 00:25:18,225
TENCH: He said a lot of things.
458
00:25:20,685 --> 00:25:22,437
- 'Cause he was jealous.
- HOLDEN: Jealous?
459
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,064
Why would he be jealous?
460
00:25:24,147 --> 00:25:26,066
He's married. To your sister.
461
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:27,025
Well...
462
00:25:28,860 --> 00:25:32,072
He was always asking when...
she was coming around,
463
00:25:32,155 --> 00:25:35,200
...always talking to her
like she was his girlfriend.
464
00:25:35,283 --> 00:25:37,702
- What do you mean?
- Like "Hey, hon,"
465
00:25:37,786 --> 00:25:41,706
"Hey, babe,"
"Hey, sweetheart, go get me a beer."
466
00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:43,375
And...
467
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:47,295
...he was always getting her
to sit on his lap.
468
00:25:47,963 --> 00:25:51,549
- Did she want to sit on his lap?
- She had to or it would've been rude.
469
00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:55,136
- Did he try to have sex with her?
- No, it didn't go that far.
470
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:56,972
HOLDEN: He told us he was interested.
471
00:25:57,055 --> 00:26:00,141
Beverly Jean was a beautiful woman.
She wouldn't do that.
472
00:26:00,225 --> 00:26:03,270
- Do what, have sex? She had sex with you.
- She loved me.
473
00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:05,939
But she wasn't exactly
saving herself for marriage.
474
00:26:06,022 --> 00:26:08,024
(BENJAMIN SOBBING)
475
00:26:08,608 --> 00:26:10,443
Do you think you satisfied her, Benjamin?
476
00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:12,946
(BELL RINGS)
477
00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:26,628
Did you see her that night
when she got off work?
478
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:29,087
No. I was home, I was watching television.
479
00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:31,464
Didn't you want her to come over,
hang out with you?
480
00:26:31,548 --> 00:26:34,926
Of course I wanted her to come over,
because I loved her.
481
00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:37,053
(SOBBING) Now she's dead.
482
00:26:38,346 --> 00:26:41,016
Oh, my God!
483
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,476
Oh, my God!
484
00:26:45,312 --> 00:26:48,648
(SOFT MUSIC PLAYS)
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
485
00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:55,447
So did Beverly Jean sleep around?
486
00:26:58,074 --> 00:27:00,994
- Alvin tried to pick her up at a bar.
- She turned him down.
487
00:27:01,077 --> 00:27:02,557
HOLDEN: What was she doing at a bar?
488
00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:05,915
- Having a drink?
- Was she alone, with a girlfriend?
489
00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:07,334
What would that tell us?
490
00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:09,169
A single woman in a bar...
491
00:27:09,252 --> 00:27:11,463
A single woman might go alone
just to have a drink.
492
00:27:11,546 --> 00:27:14,132
What about her?
Is she trying to pick someone up?
493
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,344
- Well, probably.
- Why, because she's by herself?
494
00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:19,054
Because she's at a bar?
495
00:27:20,555 --> 00:27:21,676
- Yeah.
- That's an assumption.
496
00:27:21,681 --> 00:27:24,851
Say she is looking for someone,
does that make her easy?
497
00:27:24,934 --> 00:27:26,894
Is she looking for a husband
or a one-night stand?
498
00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:28,688
Does the difference
change your perception?
499
00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:30,106
- Sure.
- Why?
500
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:34,778
Well, changes whether
I'd be interested in her, theoretically.
501
00:27:34,861 --> 00:27:37,906
What if you're looking
for a one-night stand... theoretically?
502
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:40,408
No, I don't... It's not my thing.
503
00:27:40,492 --> 00:27:41,993
- Come on, Mark.
- TENCH: Leave him alone.
504
00:27:42,077 --> 00:27:46,164
Beverly's sexual history is only important
because if she was seeing other men,
505
00:27:46,247 --> 00:27:47,874
...then obviously they're suspects.
506
00:27:47,957 --> 00:27:49,459
So who else can we talk to?
507
00:27:52,545 --> 00:27:56,257
There's a couple of friends
we could question... again.
508
00:27:56,341 --> 00:27:58,176
Anyone else she might have confided in?
509
00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:01,679
She did just get her hair done. Right?
510
00:28:03,973 --> 00:28:05,183
Here's a question,
511
00:28:05,266 --> 00:28:07,685
...if it is Benjamin or some other boyfriend
who freaked out on her,
512
00:28:07,769 --> 00:28:09,771
...does the case merit our involvement?
513
00:28:11,147 --> 00:28:14,651
We still can't rule out a sequence killer,
but if the perpetrator was a townie,
514
00:28:14,734 --> 00:28:17,654
...then the crime is random, and there's
no expectation that he'll be repeating it.
515
00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:21,032
Here's my question, shouldn't our funding
cover separate rooms?
516
00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:22,534
You don't like my company?
517
00:28:23,159 --> 00:28:24,536
We'll get connecting doors.
518
00:28:42,512 --> 00:28:45,890
The mutilation of her body alone
justifies our involvement.
519
00:28:48,309 --> 00:28:51,020
Would you mind sitting
on your own bed, please?
520
00:29:18,173 --> 00:29:19,591
Well, that was a dead end.
521
00:29:20,049 --> 00:29:21,217
Who's next?
522
00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:23,803
One of the families she baby-sat for,
the Snyders.
523
00:29:25,263 --> 00:29:28,433
You mind if we take a quick detour?
Something's been bugging me.
524
00:29:28,516 --> 00:29:29,476
TENCH: Okay.
525
00:29:52,665 --> 00:29:53,625
Hi, Rose.
526
00:29:58,046 --> 00:29:59,339
I just got him to sleep.
527
00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:01,174
Pretty hard having a newborn.
528
00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:03,218
All anybody ever tells you
is how great it is.
529
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:07,138
But my wife and I, with both our kids,
we walked around like zombies...
530
00:30:07,222 --> 00:30:08,640
...for the first three months.
531
00:30:10,308 --> 00:30:12,644
You know, Trinity Lutheran,
over on Sycamore,
532
00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,437
...has a program for single moms.
533
00:30:14,521 --> 00:30:16,731
Not that you're single,
but it's your first child...
534
00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:20,068
...and they'll have all kinds of information
on feeding him, getting him to sleep.
535
00:30:20,151 --> 00:30:22,153
- Thanks.
- What about Frank?
536
00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:24,531
- He help you out?
- ROSE: When he can.
537
00:30:25,031 --> 00:30:25,949
He's got work.
538
00:30:26,032 --> 00:30:28,618
Your mom certainly seems excited
about having a grandbaby.
539
00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:29,911
ROSE: She is happy.
540
00:30:30,453 --> 00:30:32,372
And Benjamin, is he helping?
541
00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:36,209
- (SCOFFS) No.
- You close with Benjamin?
542
00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:38,044
He's my older brother.
543
00:30:39,045 --> 00:30:40,088
TENCH: By how much?
544
00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:42,215
Fourteen months.
545
00:30:42,298 --> 00:30:44,008
You have good memories growing up?
546
00:30:44,551 --> 00:30:46,886
Mom went to work. Got two jobs.
547
00:30:47,303 --> 00:30:49,597
Two kids, two jobs. How'd she swing that?
548
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:51,474
Me and Benji went to school
a couple blocks over.
549
00:30:51,558 --> 00:30:53,309
We would walk home in the afternoon.
550
00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:56,437
- And you were how old?
- Ten. Maybe eleven.
551
00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:57,564
That's pretty young.
552
00:30:58,064 --> 00:31:01,484
Mom would come home tired,
wasn't really up for dealing with kids.
553
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,446
- I'd make sure the house was clean.
- It's no small feat.
554
00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:10,910
- How old were you when you met Frank?
- Sixteen.
555
00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:13,997
You know about the incident with Frank
in high school?
556
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:18,376
It was before I met him.
557
00:31:19,294 --> 00:31:23,047
- TENCH: You ever talk with him about it?
- ROSE: He told me it was some accident.
558
00:31:24,924 --> 00:31:25,925
Rose...
559
00:31:27,093 --> 00:31:28,469
...you knew Beverly Jean.
560
00:31:30,179 --> 00:31:31,389
What was she like?
561
00:31:31,848 --> 00:31:33,349
She was really sweet.
562
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,102
HOLDEN: You think she
was good for Benjamin?
563
00:31:36,185 --> 00:31:37,896
She made him want to leave home.
564
00:31:38,938 --> 00:31:40,189
I thought that was good.
565
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,278
We gave him money for a security deposit.
Signed his lease.
566
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:46,905
Did she intend to marry him?
567
00:31:49,032 --> 00:31:50,283
He was working on her.
568
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:53,536
Was she... seeing other men?
569
00:31:56,706 --> 00:31:59,042
Benjamin thought she might be.
570
00:31:59,125 --> 00:32:00,293
Benjamin told you this?
571
00:32:03,129 --> 00:32:06,174
He said he thought
she was giving him the runaround.
572
00:32:07,258 --> 00:32:09,218
Getting done up for other guys.
573
00:32:10,011 --> 00:32:11,054
Done up how?
574
00:32:11,137 --> 00:32:12,764
Dressing provocatively?
575
00:32:13,389 --> 00:32:15,600
Painting her nails? Wearing perfume?
576
00:32:15,683 --> 00:32:16,726
Getting her hair done.
577
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:21,189
TENCH: Frank told us he was with you
the night Beverly Jean was murdered.
578
00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:23,232
- Is that true?
- Yes.
579
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,402
Well, uh...
580
00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:30,823
...he went out to get us food.
581
00:32:30,907 --> 00:32:34,661
- How long was he gone?
- (BABY CRIES)
582
00:32:49,842 --> 00:32:53,096
(BABY COOING)
583
00:32:54,931 --> 00:32:56,975
Rose, if you are hiding something...
584
00:32:57,725 --> 00:33:00,812
...and they find out about it,
it will not be good for you...
585
00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:03,022
...or for him.
586
00:33:04,065 --> 00:33:07,026
(BABY CRIES)
587
00:33:24,544 --> 00:33:25,753
What are we missing?
588
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:31,751
- Did you see those bruises on her arm?
- TENCH: Yeah.
589
00:33:32,218 --> 00:33:33,302
You think Frank did that?
590
00:33:33,386 --> 00:33:36,639
Her mother told us that he wouldn't let
anyone else get close to her.
591
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:39,676
Should we search Frank's car?
592
00:33:40,476 --> 00:33:42,436
- I would need a warrant.
- TENCH: Let's get one.
593
00:33:45,064 --> 00:33:48,109
Mark. There's a young woman downstairs
asking for you.
594
00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:00,621
Hi, Rose.
595
00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:07,837
(STAMMERS) Do...
(CLEARS THROAT)
596
00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:14,093
(WHISPERS) Do you promise my baby will
be okay if I tell you what happened?
597
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:16,054
Of course.
598
00:34:20,975 --> 00:34:21,934
It's okay.
599
00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:25,813
- It's okay. Hey.
- (SOBS)
600
00:34:33,946 --> 00:34:37,909
So you said Frank was not home
the night Beverly Jean disappeared?
601
00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:41,370
Yes.
602
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,414
Do you know where he was?
603
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:46,709
Yes.
604
00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:49,462
Where was he?
605
00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:53,382
Benji called us that night
and asked Frank to come over.
606
00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:57,428
Okay.
607
00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,264
So Frank left.
608
00:35:00,848 --> 00:35:02,183
How long was he gone?
609
00:35:06,646 --> 00:35:09,899
He called after two or three hours.
Asked me to come over there too.
610
00:35:09,982 --> 00:35:12,902
- What time was this?
- Ten or eleven?
611
00:35:12,985 --> 00:35:14,946
But I told him I was tired.
612
00:35:15,696 --> 00:35:17,365
My back hurt. My feet.
613
00:35:19,992 --> 00:35:21,994
I was more than eight months pregnant.
614
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,705
Did he say why
he wanted you to come over?
615
00:35:24,789 --> 00:35:25,790
No.
616
00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:28,835
He just said to come?
617
00:35:29,418 --> 00:35:31,212
He said to bring cleaning supplies.
618
00:35:34,841 --> 00:35:36,926
But... I forgot.
619
00:35:40,721 --> 00:35:42,807
Drove over, let myself in.
620
00:35:43,432 --> 00:35:47,436
Frank was in the living room.
He told me not to get upset.
621
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,688
Was he upset?
622
00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:50,731
He was calm.
623
00:35:51,357 --> 00:35:54,193
Okay. So Frank tells you
not to get upset...
624
00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:58,990
He told me something bad had happened.
625
00:36:00,867 --> 00:36:04,912
My mind started racing, I was worried
something had happened to Benji.
626
00:36:07,915 --> 00:36:10,376
Frank said, "He's fine,
but he's done something."
627
00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:14,589
Benjamin did something?
628
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,759
Yes.
629
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:22,555
I said, "What's he done?"
630
00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:27,393
He said he got mad at Beverly Jean.
631
00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:39,822
ROSE: Frank said Benjamin hit her.
632
00:36:41,657 --> 00:36:43,451
I asked if she was okay.
633
00:36:48,331 --> 00:36:50,958
Frank said,
"We got to help Benjamin out of this."
634
00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:53,878
"We got to stick together
or he's going to get in trouble."
635
00:36:57,965 --> 00:36:59,634
I asked where Benjamin was.
636
00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:02,303
He said, "He's in the bathroom."
637
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:06,557
I said, "I want to see him."
He said, "Okay."
638
00:37:08,142 --> 00:37:10,144
"But Beverly Jean is in there too."
639
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:14,357
The door was open.
640
00:37:15,066 --> 00:37:17,276
I saw Benji. He...
641
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,071
He had his head in his hands,
he was crying.
642
00:37:20,988 --> 00:37:23,574
There was blood everywhere.
643
00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:25,243
Splashing.
644
00:37:27,161 --> 00:37:29,580
And then I see Beverly Jean
in the bathtub.
645
00:37:31,457 --> 00:37:32,750
Was she alive?
646
00:37:35,169 --> 00:37:36,003
Dead.
647
00:37:38,005 --> 00:37:40,675
She had her top on, but no panties.
648
00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:45,888
I said, "Benji, what have you done?"
649
00:37:47,807 --> 00:37:49,976
He shook his head.
He didn't want to look at me.
650
00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:53,271
- Was she face up, face down?
- Face up.
651
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:54,730
Did you notice any wounds?
652
00:37:55,523 --> 00:37:57,775
I couldn't tell, there was a lot of blood.
653
00:37:58,359 --> 00:37:59,527
Then what happened?
654
00:37:59,986 --> 00:38:03,114
Then Frank brought in a tarp,
spread it on the floor.
655
00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:06,325
Then he asked me
to go get cleaning supplies.
656
00:38:07,076 --> 00:38:08,996
When I came back,
they had already rolled her up.
657
00:38:09,036 --> 00:38:12,123
So they took her out to Frank's truck
and drove off.
658
00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,460
I washed out the tub
and cleaned up the bathroom.
659
00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:20,423
I scrubbed the tiles, in the cracks,
660
00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:22,300
...the grouting, the window frame.
661
00:38:23,175 --> 00:38:26,512
I had to wash all the blood
down the sink and that seemed to...
662
00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:28,514
It took forever...
663
00:38:29,473 --> 00:38:31,350
...trying to get it all to go down.
664
00:38:33,102 --> 00:38:36,105
- TENCH: Did you see a weapon?
- There was a knife in the tub.
665
00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:37,481
What'd you do with it?
666
00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:39,984
ROSE: I rinsed it off.
667
00:38:40,067 --> 00:38:43,154
Took it to the kitchen,
washed it with dish soap.
668
00:38:43,612 --> 00:38:44,822
Put it away.
669
00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:49,994
And then I went home.
670
00:38:50,077 --> 00:38:52,872
HOLDEN: Did you see Frank or Benjamin
again that night?
671
00:38:52,955 --> 00:38:53,914
ROSE: No.
672
00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:55,875
Frank came home early the next morning.
673
00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:00,046
Why did you help them?
674
00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:04,925
It's just what I've always done.
675
00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:08,429
Who killed her?
676
00:39:10,848 --> 00:39:12,058
I don't know.
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