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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:30,673 --> 00:01:34,511 Something always was ready to happen at Attica. 2 00:01:37,055 --> 00:01:39,140 The population was tired. 3 00:01:43,394 --> 00:01:46,523 Tired of lies, of promises. 4 00:01:49,150 --> 00:01:50,443 We were tired. 5 00:01:52,862 --> 00:01:55,615 Someone hit the guard. 6 00:01:55,657 --> 00:01:57,992 And after you hit a guard, it's over. 7 00:01:58,034 --> 00:02:00,245 But then all hell broke loose. 8 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:08,962 I'm in the metal shop. 9 00:02:09,003 --> 00:02:10,922 We start hearing these sirens going off. 10 00:02:10,964 --> 00:02:12,441 I said, "Damn, what the hell is this?" 11 00:02:12,465 --> 00:02:13,758 I was in the shower. 12 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,761 I came out, I'm soaking wet, 13 00:02:16,803 --> 00:02:18,179 and the place is going crazy. 14 00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:20,682 And all of a sudden, 15 00:02:20,723 --> 00:02:23,351 I seen the metal shop door open, 16 00:02:23,393 --> 00:02:25,645 and I seen guys come running in there 17 00:02:25,687 --> 00:02:28,148 with great big pipes and knives. 18 00:02:28,189 --> 00:02:29,858 And before you knew it, 19 00:02:29,899 --> 00:02:31,651 everybody was running all over the place. 20 00:02:31,693 --> 00:02:36,531 Then you started seeing people sticking their faces 21 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:39,534 through the broken windows and saying, 22 00:02:39,576 --> 00:02:41,136 - "- Grab the guards! - Grab the guards! 23 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:42,954 - Grab the keys! - Get the keys!" 24 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:44,789 There's guards that are getting beat up. 25 00:02:44,831 --> 00:02:48,209 Anybody that fell in your hand that was part 26 00:02:48,251 --> 00:02:51,087 of the administration was gonna get a beatdown. 27 00:02:51,129 --> 00:02:54,424 Here's my opportunity to fight those who beat me down now, 28 00:02:54,465 --> 00:02:57,177 'cause I'm with a whole lot of killers now. 29 00:02:57,218 --> 00:02:58,887 It's us versus them. 30 00:02:58,928 --> 00:03:01,347 - I just jumped in there. - I didn't plan anything. 31 00:03:01,389 --> 00:03:03,057 I wasn't that type of thinker. 32 00:03:03,099 --> 00:03:05,852 - I was kicking the police's ass. - I felt good about it. 33 00:03:05,894 --> 00:03:07,395 It would have ended right there, 34 00:03:07,437 --> 00:03:09,063 because they were in a confined area, 35 00:03:09,105 --> 00:03:12,734 locks on the block, locks here, Times Square was locked, 36 00:03:12,775 --> 00:03:15,570 but the prisoners went back towards Times Square 37 00:03:15,612 --> 00:03:18,573 and began to yank on the gates. 38 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:22,410 All the four blocks met at Times Square. 39 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:25,079 In the context of the layout of the prison, 40 00:03:25,121 --> 00:03:27,540 Times Square is the hub, 41 00:03:27,582 --> 00:03:30,043 the central hub of the prison. 42 00:03:33,755 --> 00:03:35,089 The morning of the riot, 43 00:03:35,131 --> 00:03:37,634 my father was in Times Square. 44 00:03:37,675 --> 00:03:40,970 He had keys to all of the doorways, 45 00:03:41,012 --> 00:03:45,433 and unfortunately, the inmates that were in A tunnel 46 00:03:45,475 --> 00:03:49,729 continued to push against, uh, 47 00:03:49,771 --> 00:03:50,980 that cell door, 48 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:54,108 and they began yelling, um, 49 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:57,153 for my dad to unlock the gate. 50 00:03:57,195 --> 00:04:00,615 As Quinn jumped back, I said, "Oh, shit, this is..." 51 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:03,743 and he hit that horn, and the foghorn, like... 52 00:04:06,454 --> 00:04:09,207 And then they started banging on the gate, 53 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:11,042 banging on the gate, banging on the gate. 54 00:04:11,084 --> 00:04:12,752 And unbeknownst to anybody, 55 00:04:12,794 --> 00:04:16,798 one of the hinges has been welded together, 56 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,634 kind of jury-rigged during the construction in the 1930s. 57 00:04:19,676 --> 00:04:21,052 That weld broke. 58 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:24,305 The lock just popped. 59 00:04:24,347 --> 00:04:26,307 And they rushed out. Boom. 60 00:04:26,349 --> 00:04:30,144 When the gate came down, they attacked my father, 61 00:04:30,186 --> 00:04:31,813 and they took his keys, 62 00:04:31,854 --> 00:04:33,648 which, of course, gave them access 63 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:36,651 to all of the doors within Times Square. 64 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:39,654 Um, and he was beaten very severely. 65 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:41,531 I double back, 66 00:04:41,572 --> 00:04:44,909 and I put two knuckles on Quinn's neck. 67 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:48,121 I could feel a pulse, but it was very faint. 68 00:04:48,162 --> 00:04:50,748 It was like a flutter, 69 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:54,085 and a minute or two later, another flutter. 70 00:04:54,127 --> 00:04:57,839 There were some inmates that knew my dad, 71 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,801 four Muslim inmates who got a mattress out of A block 72 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:04,178 and put my dad on the mattress, 73 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:08,850 and they brought him from Times Square 74 00:05:08,891 --> 00:05:12,020 and told them that they have a correction officer 75 00:05:12,061 --> 00:05:13,521 that has been badly injured, 76 00:05:13,563 --> 00:05:15,690 and he needs medical attention. 77 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,862 At some point, an ambulance did arrive. 78 00:05:20,903 --> 00:05:22,655 During that time, my mother was notified 79 00:05:22,697 --> 00:05:24,365 that my father was injured. 80 00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:31,289 After they got Quinn's keys, they opened up all four sides 81 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:33,666 and said, "We got the joint." 82 00:05:33,708 --> 00:05:35,793 - And they hollered it. - "We got the joint!" 83 00:05:43,009 --> 00:05:44,552 We took every block in the joint. 84 00:05:44,594 --> 00:05:46,304 We took it. 85 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:47,555 But we couldn't hold it. 86 00:05:49,390 --> 00:05:52,226 So we all retreated back to D block. 87 00:05:56,898 --> 00:05:59,400 The place is blowing up. 88 00:05:59,442 --> 00:06:01,402 Smoke pouring from five buildings, 89 00:06:01,444 --> 00:06:05,656 the prison chapel and laundry gutted by flames. 90 00:06:05,698 --> 00:06:08,034 We only had control of that yard. 91 00:06:08,076 --> 00:06:09,702 They had control of the system. 92 00:06:09,744 --> 00:06:13,331 They had control of the gates and the doors and the walkways. 93 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,583 They was up on the walkways with guns, 94 00:06:15,625 --> 00:06:17,919 where they can watch you. 95 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,423 I'm panning now from B block, 96 00:06:22,465 --> 00:06:25,259 taking in the group on the roof of C block. 97 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:31,891 Now D yard and D block is coming into view. 98 00:06:31,933 --> 00:06:35,937 Shooting now through the .270 rifle scope. 99 00:06:35,978 --> 00:06:40,149 And there is the ugliest, Blackest Negro gentleman 100 00:06:40,191 --> 00:06:43,361 I've ever seen in my life. 101 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:47,490 We knew they were out there on the catwalks. 102 00:06:47,532 --> 00:06:51,285 They would position themselves in a way... 103 00:06:51,327 --> 00:06:53,246 Although you knew they were there, 104 00:06:53,287 --> 00:06:54,847 they positioned themselves out of sight. 105 00:06:58,376 --> 00:07:00,086 Most of the prisoners 106 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:02,880 have concealed their faces by wearing scarves, towels, 107 00:07:02,922 --> 00:07:05,967 and what have you over their faces. 108 00:07:06,008 --> 00:07:10,930 There was a way to guard your identity from being exposed, 109 00:07:10,972 --> 00:07:13,975 and if they came in, you know, you had protection. 110 00:07:14,016 --> 00:07:15,810 Or we thought we did. 111 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:25,903 In Attica, New York, about 1,000 long-term convicts 112 00:07:25,945 --> 00:07:27,447 today rioted, and they gained control 113 00:07:27,488 --> 00:07:29,115 of the maximum security prison. 114 00:07:29,157 --> 00:07:31,742 They also seized 33 guards as hostages 115 00:07:31,784 --> 00:07:33,453 and injured others in the fighting. 116 00:07:33,494 --> 00:07:35,681 State police have regained control of most of the prison, 117 00:07:35,705 --> 00:07:37,457 but the trouble isn't over yet. 118 00:07:40,501 --> 00:07:42,795 When we got to D yard with the hostages, 119 00:07:42,837 --> 00:07:46,716 we hollered, "We got hostages!" 120 00:07:46,757 --> 00:07:50,928 And you had about 1,000 men shouting that out. 121 00:07:55,725 --> 00:07:58,811 You know, and the hostages keep the police from coming 122 00:07:58,853 --> 00:08:00,104 and bapping on us. 123 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:01,981 You gotta have hostages. 124 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:04,775 That's the only... That's your only leverage. 125 00:08:04,817 --> 00:08:08,279 As long as they had the hostages... 126 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:10,698 They didn't have guns, and they didn't have this, 127 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:13,367 and they didn't have that, 128 00:08:13,409 --> 00:08:18,331 but they had hostages, and they're your people, 129 00:08:18,372 --> 00:08:21,959 and you're responsible for your people. 130 00:08:22,001 --> 00:08:25,213 You're responsible to protect your people 131 00:08:25,254 --> 00:08:28,549 and do your job. 132 00:08:28,591 --> 00:08:32,470 "Sit down. Negotiate with us." 133 00:08:32,512 --> 00:08:33,846 You're getting into the area 134 00:08:33,888 --> 00:08:37,475 where the 21 hostages are being held. 135 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:39,644 - They're in that main group. - In the center. 136 00:08:39,685 --> 00:08:41,145 We can't distinguish them 137 00:08:41,187 --> 00:08:43,689 because the prisoners have taken 138 00:08:43,731 --> 00:08:46,192 their clothing away and put prison clothes on. 139 00:08:48,319 --> 00:08:50,863 They were blindfolded in a circle, 140 00:08:50,905 --> 00:08:52,073 in the middle of the yard. 141 00:08:52,114 --> 00:08:55,159 They also had guards, inmate guards, 142 00:08:55,201 --> 00:08:57,578 that were around them, protecting them. 143 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:01,415 And we seen them as captives. 144 00:09:01,457 --> 00:09:03,918 We seen them as people who were in... 145 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,255 Under our supervision. 146 00:09:08,881 --> 00:09:10,633 So we couldn't do harm to them. 147 00:09:10,675 --> 00:09:14,554 My understanding of Islam was that you don't harm a captive. 148 00:09:14,595 --> 00:09:19,600 Therefore, it was decided 149 00:09:19,642 --> 00:09:23,396 to allow the Muslim brothers 150 00:09:23,437 --> 00:09:25,106 to look out for them. 151 00:09:25,147 --> 00:09:28,109 I was so mad at them for not letting us get to the police, 152 00:09:28,150 --> 00:09:29,944 because I wanted to put my hands... 153 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:31,404 I wanted to get one or two of them 154 00:09:31,445 --> 00:09:33,030 and really fuck them up. 155 00:09:33,072 --> 00:09:35,825 These are the same police that was talking down to me, 156 00:09:35,866 --> 00:09:37,285 dirty to me, and telling me, 157 00:09:37,326 --> 00:09:38,828 "Get over here, do this, do that." 158 00:09:38,869 --> 00:09:40,722 So I said, "Yeah, now, what do you think about me now? 159 00:09:40,746 --> 00:09:43,040 Yeah, yeah." 160 00:09:43,082 --> 00:09:44,875 And a good thing that them Muslims was there, 161 00:09:44,917 --> 00:09:46,877 because a lot of them police would have been hurt. 162 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:48,296 Really hurt. 163 00:09:51,048 --> 00:09:52,925 It's hard for somebody 164 00:09:52,967 --> 00:09:56,971 that has never been incarcerated to understand 165 00:09:57,013 --> 00:10:00,891 how surreal everything is at this point in time. 166 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:03,436 We had nobody threatening us. 167 00:10:03,477 --> 00:10:05,605 We had... you know, it sounds crazy, 168 00:10:05,646 --> 00:10:08,065 but it was... when you had a little bit of... 169 00:10:08,107 --> 00:10:09,668 Even this much control over your own life, 170 00:10:09,692 --> 00:10:11,944 even for a short period, 171 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:16,032 and you know it's gonna cost you, you know, in spades, 172 00:10:16,073 --> 00:10:19,660 you know, it was a moment of exuberation, 173 00:10:19,702 --> 00:10:23,539 of somehow doing something 174 00:10:23,581 --> 00:10:25,541 to have some control over your own life. 175 00:10:42,975 --> 00:10:43,994 When you first got out there, 176 00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:46,187 it was total chaos. 177 00:10:46,228 --> 00:10:50,524 Guys are coming out with food, clothing, setting up tents. 178 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:55,696 - It was a festive time. - We were free. 179 00:10:58,908 --> 00:11:01,827 We came together as a community. 180 00:11:01,869 --> 00:11:04,205 That's when there was not such thing 181 00:11:04,246 --> 00:11:07,291 as Black, white, Hispanic, or whatever. 182 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:10,503 It was about we are inmates, 183 00:11:10,544 --> 00:11:14,173 and we need to be able to survive whatever's going on. 184 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:16,008 Power! Unity! 185 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:21,889 Come on, 38. 186 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:24,183 - Tell 'em we ain't dead. - Tell 'em we ain't dead. 187 00:11:24,225 --> 00:11:25,559 Yeah, get all this here. 188 00:11:27,478 --> 00:11:29,355 Tell 'em we ain't dead. 189 00:11:29,397 --> 00:11:30,564 Ain't nothing dead about us. 190 00:11:30,606 --> 00:11:32,358 We ain't gonna die. 191 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,193 - Nothing. - We will not die in here. 192 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:40,241 The guys that had been to Vietnam, 193 00:11:40,282 --> 00:11:42,243 they said, "Let's make hooches." 194 00:11:42,284 --> 00:11:45,329 Hooch was a tent. 195 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:48,082 You took a stick, and you put a sheet over it 196 00:11:48,124 --> 00:11:49,959 and pulled it back, 197 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,919 and that was your sleeping quarters. 198 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:59,760 By the time guys started, uh, 199 00:11:59,802 --> 00:12:02,096 having to go to the bathrooms, 200 00:12:02,138 --> 00:12:04,348 it was... none were working. 201 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:05,933 The guys that had been to Vietnam 202 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:07,685 and been in the army, 203 00:12:07,727 --> 00:12:10,104 they said, "We gotta make a latrine." 204 00:12:10,146 --> 00:12:11,689 They knew what a latrine was. 205 00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:13,107 I didn't know what a latrine was. 206 00:12:21,323 --> 00:12:22,700 Give him a little lap. 207 00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:24,410 All right, all right. 208 00:12:24,452 --> 00:12:26,620 Okay. 209 00:12:26,662 --> 00:12:30,124 There was this brother... 210 00:12:30,166 --> 00:12:31,000 And I say brother. 211 00:12:31,041 --> 00:12:32,501 He was white. 212 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:35,129 His... they called him Tiny, 213 00:12:35,171 --> 00:12:36,797 and he was, like, a nurse 214 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:38,799 before the Attica rebellion happened. 215 00:12:40,968 --> 00:12:43,554 They set up the medical section in the yard 216 00:12:43,596 --> 00:12:46,056 for anybody who had any problems to go, 217 00:12:46,098 --> 00:12:48,934 and Tiny would take care of them. 218 00:12:48,976 --> 00:12:53,314 And the medical attention in the yard was much better 219 00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:55,515 than the medical attention we got throughout the years. 220 00:12:57,651 --> 00:13:00,112 Oh, and we had a good time. 221 00:13:00,154 --> 00:13:03,324 We was making wine and cooking food outside. 222 00:13:03,365 --> 00:13:06,118 It was like a big picnic, like a shantytown. 223 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,788 You know, like Deadwood when, uh, 224 00:13:08,829 --> 00:13:10,664 when, uh, Buffalo Bill was out. 225 00:13:10,706 --> 00:13:13,667 You ever... you ever watch Gunsmoke? 226 00:13:13,709 --> 00:13:15,669 The Western? 227 00:13:15,711 --> 00:13:19,799 Well, Matt Dillon was the marshal of Gunsmoke. 228 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,176 He kept order. 229 00:13:22,218 --> 00:13:25,638 In D yard, we didn't have a Matt Dillon. 230 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,850 Every man was a law unto himself. 231 00:13:29,892 --> 00:13:32,686 You did whatever the hell you wanted to do. 232 00:13:32,728 --> 00:13:35,022 And there was no order. 233 00:14:03,175 --> 00:14:05,094 The assignment editor says, 234 00:14:05,135 --> 00:14:07,721 "There's this place called Attica, 235 00:14:07,763 --> 00:14:11,183 and there's some prison riot up there, 236 00:14:11,225 --> 00:14:14,687 and we want you to go up and do it. 237 00:14:14,728 --> 00:14:19,400 We're not sure about any of what the details are, 238 00:14:19,441 --> 00:14:21,068 specifically." 239 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:24,738 And all five went, uh, 240 00:14:24,780 --> 00:14:26,574 up to Buffalo, 241 00:14:26,615 --> 00:14:29,285 and then on to Attica. 242 00:14:35,291 --> 00:14:39,044 This is John Johnson, ABC News, Attica, New York. 243 00:14:39,086 --> 00:14:43,048 It was just an extremely, 244 00:14:43,090 --> 00:14:45,259 uh, fluid situation, 245 00:14:45,301 --> 00:14:46,844 to say the least. 246 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:49,388 And it was hard to get information. 247 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:51,432 I mean, we couldn't get inside, 248 00:14:51,473 --> 00:14:53,767 and all we heard was, 249 00:14:53,809 --> 00:14:57,813 these inmates want to talk, and they have prisoners. 250 00:15:00,274 --> 00:15:04,111 And this was something almost that had never happened 251 00:15:04,153 --> 00:15:07,531 in history, this huge institution, 252 00:15:07,573 --> 00:15:09,658 where the inmates had taken over. 253 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:10,700 Oh, my goodness. 254 00:15:12,953 --> 00:15:14,246 "Attica, New York? 255 00:15:14,288 --> 00:15:15,557 I never heard of Attica, New York. 256 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:17,625 What's in Attica?" 257 00:15:17,666 --> 00:15:20,544 Quite frankly, I did not know what to expect 258 00:15:20,586 --> 00:15:23,881 when I got to Attica. 259 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:26,258 We parked right in front of the prison. 260 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:29,637 So consequently, we just set up 261 00:15:29,678 --> 00:15:32,056 and started filming 262 00:15:32,097 --> 00:15:34,391 as much as we possibly could 263 00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:38,395 of the activities outside of the prison. 264 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:41,190 We had no idea what was happening inside. 265 00:15:41,231 --> 00:15:43,192 Your instructions are 266 00:15:43,233 --> 00:15:45,819 that your weapon is not to be taken, 267 00:15:45,861 --> 00:15:47,863 nor are you to be taken. 268 00:15:47,905 --> 00:15:50,407 You're to meet force with force. 269 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:52,576 There have been some of the prison personnel 270 00:15:52,618 --> 00:15:55,371 severely injured here this morning, 271 00:15:55,412 --> 00:15:58,457 and we certainly don't want to see any of our people hurt. 272 00:16:00,417 --> 00:16:02,878 The state police officers 273 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,299 were being handed out weapons. 274 00:16:07,341 --> 00:16:10,552 They were making sure they had gas masks. 275 00:16:10,594 --> 00:16:14,181 It looked to me like they were ready to go in 276 00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:16,600 and retake the prison. 277 00:16:16,642 --> 00:16:18,268 Sir, are there any circumstances 278 00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:19,687 might you go inside? 279 00:16:19,728 --> 00:16:21,313 Pardon me? 280 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,041 Might you go inside under some circumstances? 281 00:16:23,065 --> 00:16:25,359 - Well, one doesn't know. - I'll have to feel this out. 282 00:16:25,401 --> 00:16:26,860 Have the inmates made any demands? 283 00:16:26,902 --> 00:16:28,338 Do the prisoners want to meet with you, sir? 284 00:16:28,362 --> 00:16:29,965 I don't know, they say that they only want to speak 285 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:31,949 with the governor or me. 286 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:34,868 There seemed to be some sense, at the time, 287 00:16:34,910 --> 00:16:39,248 that we're going to have to negotiate something 288 00:16:39,289 --> 00:16:42,418 to save the lives of the hostages. 289 00:16:42,459 --> 00:16:47,047 Because of the hostages that they have, 290 00:16:47,089 --> 00:16:51,927 there's a possibility that negotiations will begin. 291 00:16:56,223 --> 00:16:59,018 We're looking at a man 292 00:16:59,059 --> 00:17:02,730 using a loudspeaker, a bullhorn. 293 00:17:07,443 --> 00:17:10,404 There appears to be a large meeting going on in this area, 294 00:17:10,446 --> 00:17:12,239 although we can't hear anything 295 00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:14,408 from that section. 296 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:20,831 The inmates decided that, you know, 297 00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:23,625 they're in a situation that, you know, 298 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:26,670 that required a little bit more focus, 299 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:28,172 a little bit more discipline. 300 00:17:29,631 --> 00:17:30,924 We asked the population, 301 00:17:30,966 --> 00:17:33,761 "Who do you want to represent you?" 302 00:17:33,802 --> 00:17:35,888 Legal prosecution of any kind! 303 00:17:35,929 --> 00:17:38,974 We had elections block by block. 304 00:17:39,016 --> 00:17:42,519 That's where we got our leaders from. 305 00:17:42,561 --> 00:17:46,523 Now, some guys had some juice in there already. 306 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:48,776 The guys that had been there a while, 307 00:17:48,817 --> 00:17:52,738 who other inmates respected. 308 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:54,073 What they were saying made sense 309 00:17:54,114 --> 00:17:57,159 to most everybody that was in that yard. 310 00:17:57,201 --> 00:17:59,119 They had a plan. 311 00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:01,121 And they had a plan about making things different 312 00:18:01,163 --> 00:18:03,916 for the prison system itself. 313 00:18:03,957 --> 00:18:06,502 All we wanted is the basic necessities 314 00:18:06,543 --> 00:18:09,004 of being treated like human beings. 315 00:18:09,046 --> 00:18:10,255 Even though we're in prison, 316 00:18:10,297 --> 00:18:11,857 we're human beings, and stuff like that. 317 00:18:15,302 --> 00:18:19,098 The prisoners in the yard must have had a radio. 318 00:18:19,139 --> 00:18:21,975 They heard I was outside. 319 00:18:22,017 --> 00:18:24,728 So they asked for me to come in. 320 00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:27,147 I said, "Sure." 321 00:18:27,189 --> 00:18:29,608 And they then said, 322 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:32,611 "We would like Commissioner Oswald to come in." 323 00:18:32,653 --> 00:18:36,281 And some of his assistants said, 324 00:18:36,323 --> 00:18:38,492 "Don't go. Don't go. 325 00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:41,578 They'll... you can't trust them." 326 00:18:41,620 --> 00:18:44,456 And Oswald said, "Well, of course I'm gonna go in." 327 00:18:46,041 --> 00:18:47,543 We are glad to have someone 328 00:18:47,584 --> 00:18:50,504 from the administration, point blank, coming in. 329 00:18:52,589 --> 00:18:53,608 We making some kind of headway. 330 00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:54,800 We getting here. 331 00:18:54,842 --> 00:18:56,760 We got some contact with somebody. 332 00:18:56,802 --> 00:18:59,304 - We got some negotiations. - You're listening to us. 333 00:18:59,346 --> 00:19:01,723 I've never heard of this before, 334 00:19:01,765 --> 00:19:04,643 negotiating with inmates, 335 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:08,772 and I just assumed 336 00:19:08,814 --> 00:19:12,943 that this was going to be a landmark moment 337 00:19:12,985 --> 00:19:14,778 in American history. 338 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:19,199 I thought that this was going to be negotiated 339 00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:20,576 to a decent humanitarian end. 340 00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:27,583 It seems to be a little misunderstanding about why 341 00:19:27,624 --> 00:19:29,668 this incident developed here at Attica, 342 00:19:29,710 --> 00:19:32,838 and this declaration here will explain the reasons. 343 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,007 The entire incident 344 00:19:35,048 --> 00:19:38,552 that has erupted here at Attica is not a result... 345 00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:45,267 There are college towns, and there's factory towns... 346 00:19:45,309 --> 00:19:47,227 There's all kinds of towns in this country, 347 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:49,062 and this is Attica, New York. 348 00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:50,314 It's a prison town. 349 00:19:52,858 --> 00:19:54,151 Most of the people 350 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:55,986 in the village of Attica make their living 351 00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:58,071 working at the state prison. 352 00:19:59,656 --> 00:20:01,408 For 40 years, most have lived 353 00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:03,827 within sight of the prison walls. 354 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:05,245 They have never feared it. 355 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:13,712 The village of Attica was a great place to live. 356 00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:16,673 It was very typical, 357 00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:19,051 I think, small town, 358 00:20:19,092 --> 00:20:22,429 where you knew everyone. 359 00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:24,932 You were related to probably half of the town. 360 00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:29,686 We'd ride our bikes through town, 361 00:20:29,728 --> 00:20:31,313 we'd go to the park, we'd go swimming 362 00:20:31,355 --> 00:20:33,065 at the public pool, 363 00:20:33,106 --> 00:20:35,609 we'd go hiking up in the woods. 364 00:20:39,404 --> 00:20:42,532 Attica is a company town. 365 00:20:42,574 --> 00:20:45,035 Many of the people who work there 366 00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:46,703 and had lived in our town 367 00:20:46,745 --> 00:20:48,705 worked as either civilian employees 368 00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:52,459 or corrections officers at Attica. 369 00:20:52,501 --> 00:20:56,129 My grandfather worked there, 370 00:20:56,171 --> 00:20:59,258 my dad worked there, 371 00:20:59,299 --> 00:21:01,802 and between six or eight of the houses 372 00:21:01,843 --> 00:21:03,470 that were on our street 373 00:21:03,512 --> 00:21:06,306 had correction officers or civilian individuals 374 00:21:06,348 --> 00:21:08,058 working in them with their families. 375 00:21:12,646 --> 00:21:15,607 These were the only jobs in the area. 376 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:18,986 Dairy farming and the prison. 377 00:21:19,027 --> 00:21:22,531 So there was this culture clash that came together at Attica. 378 00:21:22,572 --> 00:21:26,493 You had all white guards 379 00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:29,288 and a population of prisoners 380 00:21:29,329 --> 00:21:31,832 that was 70 or more percent 381 00:21:31,873 --> 00:21:34,543 Black and brown. 382 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:36,211 What could go wrong? 383 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:43,927 Attica's reputation was called "the last stop." 384 00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:46,346 This was the most strict prison in the state of New York. 385 00:21:46,388 --> 00:21:47,639 It was known. 386 00:21:47,681 --> 00:21:49,766 The word was there that when you got there, 387 00:21:49,808 --> 00:21:51,143 you know what you was in for. 388 00:21:51,184 --> 00:21:53,520 A hard place. The last place. 389 00:21:53,562 --> 00:21:56,356 - The last place. - Attica was the last place. 390 00:21:56,398 --> 00:21:58,191 That was... that was the last... 391 00:21:58,233 --> 00:22:00,986 And you had to really be there to see why. 392 00:22:01,028 --> 00:22:04,323 There was no Black guards in Attica. 393 00:22:04,364 --> 00:22:07,701 - There was no Spanish guards. - They were all white. 394 00:22:07,743 --> 00:22:10,954 People, man, that come from the local neighborhoods, 395 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:15,000 that don't know nothing about people who come from Brooklyn, 396 00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:18,712 people who come from Manhattan, people who come from The Bronx. 397 00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:21,548 They don't know nothing about this culture. 398 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:24,301 Most of them don't even want to talk to you. 399 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:25,302 They're you giving you the straight... 400 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,054 "Don't talk to me." 401 00:22:27,095 --> 00:22:29,222 - And it was like that. - "Don't talk to me." 402 00:22:29,264 --> 00:22:31,892 They would hit that stick... bop. 403 00:22:31,933 --> 00:22:35,729 And this is a metal... A metal-tipped stick, 404 00:22:35,771 --> 00:22:37,856 and it rings out, and it... bop. 405 00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:39,524 And you walk. 406 00:22:39,566 --> 00:22:42,861 And then when they want you to stop, they say bop-bop. 407 00:22:42,903 --> 00:22:44,905 That was their communication. 408 00:22:44,946 --> 00:22:47,616 The only thing was right was being white. 409 00:22:47,657 --> 00:22:49,826 And I mean that in all sincerity. 410 00:22:49,868 --> 00:22:51,912 Everybody was sort of, like, 411 00:22:51,953 --> 00:22:53,580 not so much mixing with other cultures, 412 00:22:53,622 --> 00:22:57,667 but staying together for the purpose of... 413 00:22:57,709 --> 00:22:59,336 survival. 414 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:02,881 I was white, so I got the best jobs. 415 00:23:02,923 --> 00:23:05,926 I was always given a little bit more leeway 416 00:23:05,967 --> 00:23:07,469 than the Blacks. 417 00:23:09,262 --> 00:23:11,932 I could get an extra meal if I wanted one, 418 00:23:11,973 --> 00:23:14,434 because I was a white guy. 419 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:15,769 "I'm a white guy. 420 00:23:15,811 --> 00:23:17,396 You know, give me a little extra." 421 00:23:17,437 --> 00:23:19,189 And I got it. 422 00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:23,777 I always was able to manipulate the system inside the prison 423 00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:25,570 because I was a white guy. 424 00:23:25,612 --> 00:23:27,864 I'm almost ashamed to say 425 00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:30,450 that I took advantage of that back then. 426 00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:33,078 But it was the only way to survive. 427 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,329 It really, really was. 428 00:23:45,132 --> 00:23:46,758 A roll of toilet paper 429 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,845 would have to last you a month. 430 00:23:49,886 --> 00:23:52,597 You have to be a magician or tear up papers out of, 431 00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:54,182 you know, the books and stuff like that 432 00:23:54,224 --> 00:23:55,451 to wipe your behind and stuff like that. 433 00:23:55,475 --> 00:23:57,477 Guys were complaining about basic things, 434 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:01,690 like toothpaste, toilet paper, 435 00:24:01,731 --> 00:24:05,527 a change of sheets more than once a month, 436 00:24:05,569 --> 00:24:08,655 things like that... Clothes being cleaned, 437 00:24:08,697 --> 00:24:10,157 personal hygiene things, 438 00:24:10,198 --> 00:24:11,658 being treated like human beings. 439 00:24:13,952 --> 00:24:17,414 - No school program. - Attica was... 440 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:20,167 - I can't describe it. - I mean... 441 00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:21,626 it was dead. 442 00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:22,878 It was just dead. 443 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,675 There was no religious freedom, 444 00:24:28,717 --> 00:24:30,302 particularly for 445 00:24:30,343 --> 00:24:32,512 the burgeoning Muslim movement. 446 00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:36,349 They were denied the right to worship. 447 00:24:36,391 --> 00:24:39,936 They were fed pork because the prison also had a farm 448 00:24:39,978 --> 00:24:42,981 where they raised pigs, so that's what you got. 449 00:24:43,982 --> 00:24:46,234 They fed us on 63¢ a day, 450 00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:48,153 so that's 21¢ a meal. 451 00:24:48,195 --> 00:24:51,072 How can you feed somebody on 21¢? 452 00:24:54,284 --> 00:24:58,622 I swear to God, one time I got my head opened up by a guard, 453 00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:01,958 and I was put into a segregation cell. 454 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,585 And the doctor came, 455 00:25:03,627 --> 00:25:07,255 you know, just out of... I was bleeding all over. 456 00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:09,341 So I said, "I got a... They cracked my head. 457 00:25:09,382 --> 00:25:11,426 It's wide open." 458 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:12,802 He says, "Put it over here." 459 00:25:12,844 --> 00:25:16,848 They had a feeding hole in the cell. 460 00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:19,392 So I put it there, and he put a flashlight like... 461 00:25:19,434 --> 00:25:21,895 I swear to God, he hit me with the fucking flashlight, 462 00:25:21,937 --> 00:25:24,064 right where the cut was... 463 00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:27,567 and walked away. 464 00:25:32,739 --> 00:25:34,407 They wait until everybody's 465 00:25:34,449 --> 00:25:36,743 locked up at night, and then they come for you. 466 00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:39,037 Come for you as a goon squad. 467 00:25:41,122 --> 00:25:44,292 These are the beat-up police. 468 00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:47,629 These the guys, they come nine, ten deep. 469 00:25:47,671 --> 00:25:51,341 Real big guys with real big sticks. 470 00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:53,969 Then they come in, and they beat you up in your cell, 471 00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:55,762 and then they take you to segregation, 472 00:25:55,804 --> 00:25:57,347 and sometimes, you don't come back. 473 00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:58,723 Attica was... 474 00:26:05,188 --> 00:26:06,940 Fear. 475 00:26:06,982 --> 00:26:10,193 They ran the prison with fear. 476 00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:12,571 Being scared of them was their means 477 00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:13,989 of running the prison. 478 00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:19,953 You either shut your mouth, 479 00:26:19,995 --> 00:26:21,788 or you were in big trouble. 480 00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:25,959 Some people died. 481 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:27,794 Some were crippled. 482 00:26:27,836 --> 00:26:30,463 Some were psychologically damaged for life. 483 00:26:33,633 --> 00:26:37,304 And, uh, it was a bad place to be. 484 00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:47,439 They wanted to institute and instill that fear 485 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,108 and that they were in control, 486 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:52,652 even though they knew they were losing control. 487 00:26:55,363 --> 00:26:57,115 My generation that came into Attica, 488 00:26:57,157 --> 00:26:59,242 at that time, 489 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,411 we felt that we wasn't broken. 490 00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:03,705 In other words, we wasn't shuffling our feet. 491 00:27:03,747 --> 00:27:06,166 We would walk with our heads up high. 492 00:27:06,207 --> 00:27:08,043 We would talk in our own lingo. 493 00:27:08,084 --> 00:27:10,378 - We was rebellious. - That's all. 494 00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:12,130 We wasn't gonna take nothing from nobody. 495 00:27:13,256 --> 00:27:14,674 We wanted respect. 496 00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:20,055 You had to give it to us, whether you wanted to or not. 497 00:27:20,096 --> 00:27:21,473 I'd read Eldridge Cleaver's 498 00:27:21,514 --> 00:27:23,725 Soul on Ice, Huey Newton, 499 00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:25,435 and, you know, the Panther Party, 500 00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:27,395 and the George Jackson story. 501 00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:28,980 I read all that stuff. 502 00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:30,815 George Jackson was a revolutionary. 503 00:27:30,857 --> 00:27:33,652 He's the guy that got busted for a ten dollar, uh, 504 00:27:33,693 --> 00:27:36,529 gas station robbery and got life. 505 00:27:36,571 --> 00:27:39,240 He ended up in the system, in the Soledad prison. 506 00:27:39,282 --> 00:27:43,620 He showed us... and I mean "us," 507 00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:46,373 the younger guys that came into Attica... 508 00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:49,501 That it was okay to say no. 509 00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:53,046 It was okay to be rebellious. 510 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:55,507 Understand, there may be consequences 511 00:27:55,548 --> 00:27:58,093 to saying no, 512 00:27:58,134 --> 00:28:00,095 but it was okay. 513 00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:02,097 And it was uplifting. 514 00:28:02,138 --> 00:28:04,224 It was uplifting. 515 00:28:04,265 --> 00:28:06,726 I think racism is a control device, 516 00:28:06,768 --> 00:28:08,937 control mechanism. 517 00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:12,524 Create an atmosphere whereby they can control you. 518 00:28:12,565 --> 00:28:16,403 Of course, here in prison, we see the repression, 519 00:28:16,444 --> 00:28:18,363 the exploitation, 520 00:28:18,405 --> 00:28:21,533 the victimization of, uh, 521 00:28:21,574 --> 00:28:23,410 lower-class peoples. 522 00:28:24,869 --> 00:28:26,287 A lot of Black Panthers 523 00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:28,206 were coming into the prison. 524 00:28:28,248 --> 00:28:29,708 I started hanging out with them, 525 00:28:29,749 --> 00:28:32,210 and they politicized me. 526 00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:33,729 The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense 527 00:28:33,753 --> 00:28:35,922 calls upon the American people in general 528 00:28:35,964 --> 00:28:37,632 and the Black people in particular 529 00:28:37,674 --> 00:28:40,885 to take careful note of the racist police agencies 530 00:28:40,927 --> 00:28:43,847 throughout the country are intensifying the terror, 531 00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:46,766 brutality, murder, and repression of Black people. 532 00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:48,560 Of course, you had the Black Muslims, 533 00:28:48,601 --> 00:28:51,479 and his message to a Black man 534 00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:55,567 really awoke a lot of guys that were in jail. 535 00:28:55,608 --> 00:28:57,485 We want one thing! 536 00:28:57,527 --> 00:29:01,573 We declare our right on this Earth to be a man, 537 00:29:01,614 --> 00:29:03,450 to be a human being, 538 00:29:03,491 --> 00:29:05,535 to be respected as a human being, 539 00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:07,871 to be given the rights of a human being 540 00:29:07,912 --> 00:29:11,207 in this society, on this Earth, in this day, 541 00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:13,752 which we intend to bring into existence 542 00:29:13,793 --> 00:29:16,629 by any means necessary! 543 00:29:21,217 --> 00:29:22,719 Officials at California's 544 00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,554 San Quentin Prison still are trying 545 00:29:24,596 --> 00:29:27,015 to piece together exactly what happened and how 546 00:29:27,056 --> 00:29:29,225 in that attempted prison break yesterday 547 00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:32,395 in which three convicts and three guards died. 548 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:34,731 One of the dead convicts was George Jackson 549 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,900 of the self-styled Soledad Brothers. 550 00:29:36,941 --> 00:29:38,985 Jackson was 29. 551 00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:40,987 George Jackson was that final straw to say, 552 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:42,697 "I don't give a fuck no more. 553 00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:44,783 - They're gonna kill us anyway. - We can't get out. 554 00:29:44,824 --> 00:29:47,160 We're in this fucking cage, so where we going at? 555 00:29:47,202 --> 00:29:49,996 So if we gonna die, let's die as men." 556 00:29:50,038 --> 00:29:51,664 And brothers just got frustrated. 557 00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:59,964 We'd go into the mess hall with a Black band on your arm 558 00:30:00,006 --> 00:30:01,174 and just sit there. 559 00:30:01,216 --> 00:30:03,301 Take a spoon when you come in. 560 00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:05,053 Take no food. 561 00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:09,349 We didn't speak during the whole time, 562 00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:11,684 and we didn't pick up any food. 563 00:30:12,268 --> 00:30:15,313 That, I think, kind of alerted the institution 564 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:18,733 that we was in solidarity. 565 00:30:18,775 --> 00:30:22,737 They'd probably never seen that type of solidarity before. 566 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:34,499 There was a lot of talk discussing the situation, 567 00:30:34,541 --> 00:30:38,711 because the inmates were very upset, 568 00:30:38,753 --> 00:30:41,422 and things were happening there, 569 00:30:41,464 --> 00:30:45,218 and there was great concern. 570 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:47,303 It was a time bomb ready to blow, 571 00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:49,722 and we lived with it every day in my house, 572 00:30:49,764 --> 00:30:52,058 and every day, I said good-bye to my dad, 573 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,394 and I knew it might be the last day I saw him. 574 00:30:54,435 --> 00:30:56,437 It was open conversation. 575 00:31:01,025 --> 00:31:02,694 Things were getting worse. 576 00:31:02,735 --> 00:31:05,738 And so they had a meeting with the administration, 577 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:07,574 and the administration essentially dismissed 578 00:31:07,615 --> 00:31:11,911 their concerns and said, "Everybody back to work. 579 00:31:11,953 --> 00:31:13,913 However, we think maybe it's a good idea 580 00:31:13,955 --> 00:31:15,748 if you left your personal belongings at home, 581 00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:18,084 like wedding rings, wallets, et cetera." 582 00:31:18,126 --> 00:31:21,713 So my father absolutely knew that something was going on. 583 00:31:21,754 --> 00:31:24,716 I was having breakfast with him and he was talking to me. 584 00:31:24,757 --> 00:31:26,634 And I knew he was nervous. 585 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,153 But he said, "Something's gonna happen." 586 00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:30,638 He said, "I just don't know what or when. 587 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,473 But I think I'll be okay." 588 00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:41,399 There was a fight in A yard on September 8th. 589 00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:42,585 And the guards promised nothing would happen 590 00:31:42,609 --> 00:31:43,985 as a result of this, 591 00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:47,530 because they could feel the tension building up. 592 00:31:47,572 --> 00:31:49,782 Then that night, they broke that promise. 593 00:31:49,824 --> 00:31:52,994 They came and pulled them out of the cells, and... 594 00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:56,456 About three or four of them, and then... 595 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:00,084 Then we started throwing bottles 596 00:32:00,126 --> 00:32:01,753 or whatever glass they may have had, 597 00:32:01,794 --> 00:32:03,546 or cans, or whatever they may have had, 598 00:32:03,588 --> 00:32:05,590 and it was a disturbance, that there. 599 00:32:05,632 --> 00:32:08,426 So the inmates decided at that moment, 600 00:32:08,468 --> 00:32:10,929 - "- Man, this is it, man. - We tired. 601 00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:12,388 I mean, they killed George Jackson. 602 00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:13,616 They did this throughout the years. 603 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,891 We tired." 604 00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,601 You know? And they went off. 605 00:32:27,028 --> 00:32:29,614 I was in school that day, 606 00:32:29,656 --> 00:32:33,368 and the whistle from the prison just kept going, 607 00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:35,328 and we could hear it. 608 00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:37,705 We got calls from somebody from the prison 609 00:32:37,747 --> 00:32:39,165 saying that "Your dad, you know, 610 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:40,750 is definitely being held." 611 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:43,127 - You know, I was scared. - I was worried for my dad. 612 00:32:43,169 --> 00:32:44,921 I loved my dad. 613 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:48,925 But we didn't really know what was going on. 614 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:50,426 It seems to be 615 00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:53,221 a little misunderstanding about why 616 00:32:53,262 --> 00:32:55,431 this incident developed here at Attica, 617 00:32:55,473 --> 00:32:58,309 and this declaration here will explain the reasons. 618 00:32:58,351 --> 00:33:03,022 The entire incident that has erupted here at Attica 619 00:33:03,064 --> 00:33:05,858 is not a result of the dastardly bushwhacking 620 00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:10,363 of the two prisoners September 8th of 1971, 621 00:33:10,405 --> 00:33:12,657 but of the unmitigated oppression 622 00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:14,826 wrought by the racist administrative network 623 00:33:14,867 --> 00:33:17,370 of this prison throughout the years. 624 00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:19,205 We want the governor to guarantee 625 00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:21,499 that there will be no reprisals, 626 00:33:21,541 --> 00:33:24,127 and we want all facets of the media 627 00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:26,546 to articulate this. 628 00:33:26,587 --> 00:33:29,215 We needed the media in there because we needed 629 00:33:29,257 --> 00:33:31,884 to let the world know what was happening. 630 00:33:33,594 --> 00:33:36,389 This is one of the turning points 631 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:37,724 in the whole thing. 632 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:42,979 We would like the press to come in, 633 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:46,441 including the television cameras. 634 00:33:48,067 --> 00:33:51,237 That transformed everything... 635 00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:57,243 because now the prisoners had a worldwide audience. 636 00:33:59,495 --> 00:34:02,040 Whatever happens here at Attica State Prison... 637 00:34:02,081 --> 00:34:03,875 I'm not sure how they heard 638 00:34:03,916 --> 00:34:07,336 that there was a Black journalist outside, 639 00:34:07,378 --> 00:34:10,256 that they wanted me 640 00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:14,427 to be on the group that went in with Oswald. 641 00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:17,513 Suddenly, I'm on... In this group, 642 00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:19,724 going into the prison, 643 00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:23,728 with this head of the prison system. 644 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:27,607 I was surprised that they had asked for me. 645 00:34:27,648 --> 00:34:30,276 But I guess because of the fact 646 00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:33,362 that they had watched the news, 647 00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:36,365 my reports were factual, 648 00:34:36,407 --> 00:34:40,119 and I was not taking anybody's side 649 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,454 in the whole thing. 650 00:34:44,123 --> 00:34:46,042 We went in, 651 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:50,671 and it was completely surreal. 652 00:34:50,713 --> 00:34:53,508 Like, you're walking down a tunnel, 653 00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:57,678 and suddenly, you walk into this huge yard 654 00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,931 where there are men everywhere... 655 00:34:59,972 --> 00:35:03,267 Like, thousands of men. 656 00:35:03,309 --> 00:35:06,354 And I remember 657 00:35:06,395 --> 00:35:09,565 some people yelling, "Hey, JJ." 658 00:35:09,607 --> 00:35:12,443 I said hello to people that I knew 659 00:35:12,485 --> 00:35:17,156 from Bed-Stuy and Harlem, and they were in Attica. 660 00:35:21,202 --> 00:35:23,162 Once inside, we were brought along 661 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,832 through the yard with a member of the inmate security force 662 00:35:25,873 --> 00:35:28,167 constantly at our side. 663 00:35:28,209 --> 00:35:31,003 We were allowed to go where they told us to go. 664 00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:32,630 We were allowed to film 665 00:35:32,672 --> 00:35:35,174 only when the prisoners told us we could. 666 00:35:35,216 --> 00:35:36,676 Inmates' faces were covered 667 00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:39,178 so as to keep their identities secret. 668 00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:41,305 Our first concern on entering 669 00:35:41,347 --> 00:35:43,641 was to learn how the hostages were. 670 00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:44,827 We want to see your hostages. 671 00:35:44,851 --> 00:35:46,185 Show the hostages first. 672 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:50,982 I was able to ask one question 673 00:35:51,023 --> 00:35:55,069 before I was moved to the negotiation table. 674 00:35:55,111 --> 00:35:56,612 Been treated all right? 675 00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:58,257 Yes, I have so far been treated very good. 676 00:35:58,281 --> 00:35:59,532 - No complaints? - No. 677 00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:01,450 But no problems so far? 678 00:36:01,492 --> 00:36:04,162 So far, been treated very good. 679 00:36:04,203 --> 00:36:07,456 Shortly thereafter, one of the inmates, 680 00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:11,752 a young man by the name of L.D. Barkley, 681 00:36:11,794 --> 00:36:14,755 started to read the demands. 682 00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:16,799 The entire prison populace... 683 00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:19,093 That means each and every one of us here... 684 00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:22,221 Have set forth to change forever 685 00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:24,182 the ruthless brutalization 686 00:36:24,223 --> 00:36:26,851 and disregard for the lives of the prisoners here 687 00:36:26,893 --> 00:36:28,811 and throughout the United States. 688 00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:31,856 He was saying what we all wanted to scream. 689 00:36:31,898 --> 00:36:33,816 But he was explaining it 690 00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:35,860 so that everybody could understand, 691 00:36:35,902 --> 00:36:38,362 so that when you were sitting in your living room, 692 00:36:38,404 --> 00:36:40,740 you could say, "Well, the guy's a criminal. 693 00:36:40,781 --> 00:36:42,700 Yeah, but he is saying something that's... 694 00:36:45,912 --> 00:36:48,456 - - that I understand. - How could we do that?" 695 00:36:48,497 --> 00:36:51,459 - You know? - He was waking up America. 696 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:52,919 And he was the best one to do it. 697 00:36:53,753 --> 00:36:55,796 We are men! 698 00:36:55,838 --> 00:36:58,049 We are not beasts, and we do not intend 699 00:36:58,090 --> 00:37:00,218 to be beaten or driven as such. 700 00:37:00,259 --> 00:37:02,720 LD was only gonna be here for 90 days. 701 00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:04,222 He'll be getting out. 702 00:37:04,263 --> 00:37:06,599 But he wanted the outside world to know that... 703 00:37:08,726 --> 00:37:10,686 the prisons were inhumane. 704 00:37:10,728 --> 00:37:13,689 What has happened here is but the sound 705 00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:16,859 before the fury of those who are oppressed. 706 00:37:16,901 --> 00:37:19,695 We will not compromise on any terms 707 00:37:19,737 --> 00:37:23,449 except those terms that are agreeable to us. 708 00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:25,159 We call upon all... 709 00:37:29,538 --> 00:37:31,415 You felt it. 710 00:37:34,126 --> 00:37:38,881 And at that moment, I heard it, and I seen it. 711 00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:42,593 And that reaffirmed why we was there. 712 00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:44,303 Why I was there. 713 00:37:48,224 --> 00:37:51,018 There was a feeling that this was big. 714 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:52,728 This was huge. 715 00:37:56,983 --> 00:37:59,443 Corrections Commissioner Oswald 716 00:37:59,485 --> 00:38:04,365 maintained that he had done 717 00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:06,993 quite a bit of the things 718 00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:10,162 that the inmates had requested. 719 00:38:10,204 --> 00:38:14,500 I've, uh, complied 720 00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:18,546 with the several things I said I would do as my part. 721 00:38:18,587 --> 00:38:20,548 I've brought the press 722 00:38:20,589 --> 00:38:24,051 and other media in here 723 00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:25,845 to listen as we talk. 724 00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:28,431 And now, my question is... 725 00:38:28,472 --> 00:38:31,392 I asked earlier, 726 00:38:31,434 --> 00:38:33,227 when will you release the hostages? 727 00:38:35,479 --> 00:38:38,149 But now, the table was turned, 728 00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:41,485 and we had the power. 729 00:38:41,527 --> 00:38:43,112 So when we asked him for something, 730 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:44,864 he had to give it to us 731 00:38:44,905 --> 00:38:46,407 'cause he didn't have no choice. 732 00:38:46,449 --> 00:38:48,617 We wanted some assurance 733 00:38:48,659 --> 00:38:52,496 that we weren't gonna be retaliated against. 734 00:38:52,538 --> 00:38:54,874 So we asked Herman Schwartz 735 00:38:54,915 --> 00:38:58,753 to go to District Court in New York 736 00:38:58,794 --> 00:39:03,299 and get an injunction that would assure us 737 00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,676 that we wouldn't be retaliated against. 738 00:39:05,718 --> 00:39:09,930 I sat down and wrote an injunction 739 00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:13,726 which barred any kind of retaliation. 740 00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:16,854 It had been agreed that there would be 741 00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:18,898 another meeting the next morning. 742 00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:23,235 The time is now ten minutes of eight. 743 00:39:23,277 --> 00:39:26,572 We've been shooting this tape for approximately two hours. 744 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:28,407 We started about 6:00 p.m. 745 00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:32,703 The light is almost gone now. 746 00:39:32,745 --> 00:39:36,665 We can see lights in cell block D. 747 00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:39,668 Singers vocalizing 748 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:48,010 The guy next to me was named Raymond White. 749 00:39:50,346 --> 00:39:53,265 He was walking around, looking up in the air. 750 00:39:53,307 --> 00:39:55,768 - It's dark. - I said, "Yo, Raymond White. 751 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:58,896 Yo, Ray, you all right?" 752 00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:03,109 He said, "Man, I ain't been out after dark in 22 years." 753 00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:06,862 And we was talking, 754 00:40:06,904 --> 00:40:10,074 singing songs... It was a festive night. 755 00:40:10,116 --> 00:40:11,117 I loved it. I loved it. 756 00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:13,411 Man, I was out in the nighttime, 757 00:40:13,452 --> 00:40:14,995 looking at the stars. 758 00:40:15,037 --> 00:40:16,539 I was drunk. I was happy. 759 00:40:16,580 --> 00:40:18,140 You know, I was... I liked it, you know. 760 00:40:18,165 --> 00:40:19,583 I was having a good time. 761 00:40:19,625 --> 00:40:22,503 And it was good. I felt free. 762 00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:24,171 You know, I mean, prison was there, 763 00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:26,382 but, you know, I felt free. 764 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:29,218 I didn't have to hear 765 00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,679 the doors locking. 766 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,597 And if... it was a good feeling 767 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:37,143 at that first night. 768 00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:39,770 When it got dark, and everybody was talking 769 00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:41,439 about finding somewhere to sleep... 770 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,274 But, you know, don't sleep alone, 771 00:40:43,315 --> 00:40:45,025 and, you know, that type of thing. 772 00:40:45,067 --> 00:40:47,903 There's a lot of psychopaths and sociopaths 773 00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:49,947 in those facilities, so, you know, 774 00:40:49,989 --> 00:40:53,951 you had to protect yourself from your peers, even. 775 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:03,335 I knew this wasn't gonna last forever. 776 00:41:05,212 --> 00:41:09,341 I knew there would... There would be an end to this. 777 00:41:09,383 --> 00:41:10,843 But just because we was incarcerated 778 00:41:10,885 --> 00:41:13,679 didn't mean that we were less than human. 779 00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:18,017 Somebody had to take a stand. 780 00:41:28,027 --> 00:41:30,321 At dawn, as smoke from yesterday's fires 781 00:41:30,362 --> 00:41:31,989 lingered over prison walls, 782 00:41:32,031 --> 00:41:34,074 a federal injunction was obtained 783 00:41:34,116 --> 00:41:36,035 prohibiting physical reprisal 784 00:41:36,076 --> 00:41:37,578 against those involved in the riot. 785 00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:42,625 When I brought in the injunction, 786 00:41:42,666 --> 00:41:46,670 we talked to the prisoners at opposite ends 787 00:41:46,712 --> 00:41:50,591 of a rather long tunnel. 788 00:41:50,633 --> 00:41:53,260 They said, "Where are the administrators?" 789 00:41:53,302 --> 00:41:54,845 I said, "I don't know. 790 00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:56,931 I'm here, but I don't know where they are." 791 00:41:56,972 --> 00:42:01,101 Finally, at ten o'clock, Oswald and the others show up. 792 00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:05,397 The prisoners were furious. 793 00:42:05,439 --> 00:42:10,402 They had been, as they would put it, dissed. 794 00:42:10,444 --> 00:42:12,571 They were supposed to meet at seven or eight o'clock, 795 00:42:12,613 --> 00:42:16,075 and it was very clear... 796 00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:17,993 The air was very tense. 797 00:42:19,954 --> 00:42:23,582 You had the tables spread out. 798 00:42:23,624 --> 00:42:26,418 We were on one side. 799 00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:30,589 The inmates were on the other. 800 00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:33,717 And I gave them the document that the judge had signed. 801 00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:37,429 This is nothing. 802 00:42:37,471 --> 00:42:40,849 I'm sorry, I spent seven hours of... 803 00:42:40,891 --> 00:42:43,644 And got no sleep, and traveled... 804 00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:46,397 He claimed that the federal judge signed off 805 00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:50,192 on an injunction saying that there would be no reprisals. 806 00:42:50,234 --> 00:42:55,030 And he came back in, waving that at us, 807 00:42:55,072 --> 00:42:57,324 and Jerry the Jew said, "Where's the seal?" 808 00:42:57,366 --> 00:43:00,327 There is no judicial seal on this. 809 00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:04,248 I have received injunctions from the Southern District 810 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:06,041 which had judicial seals. 811 00:43:06,083 --> 00:43:08,460 This paper is an empty gesture. 812 00:43:08,502 --> 00:43:11,046 - Jerry the Jew. - That was his nickname. 813 00:43:11,088 --> 00:43:13,799 Jerry Rosenberg was a hell of a guy. 814 00:43:13,841 --> 00:43:15,467 And he was well-respected. 815 00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:17,970 He had a law degree. 816 00:43:18,012 --> 00:43:20,639 - And he knew law. - He would help all the inmates. 817 00:43:20,681 --> 00:43:22,850 He was a jailhouse lawyer. 818 00:43:23,434 --> 00:43:26,895 You can take this piece of paper and throw it away, 819 00:43:26,937 --> 00:43:28,314 because this is no protection. 820 00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:30,983 Jerry Rosenberg, God bless him, 821 00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:34,820 say, uh, "Judge ain't signed this. 822 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:38,824 There's no Western District Court stamp 823 00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:42,036 on this document saying that, you know what, 824 00:43:42,077 --> 00:43:46,832 nothing will happen to us," and tore it up. 825 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,043 Herman, we know you mean well, 826 00:43:49,084 --> 00:43:51,879 but, uh, don't come with the bullshit, Herm. 827 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,922 We want a judicial seal 828 00:43:53,964 --> 00:43:56,008 and a continuing restraining order 829 00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:58,510 until the litigation is finally ended, 830 00:43:58,552 --> 00:44:00,929 without any reprisals or brutality 831 00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:03,432 against any inmates of this institution. 832 00:44:13,734 --> 00:44:16,862 Well, lawyers know that seals 833 00:44:16,904 --> 00:44:19,323 don't mean anything, 834 00:44:19,365 --> 00:44:22,451 uh, so long as the signature is there. 835 00:44:23,243 --> 00:44:25,704 I could have kicked Jerry's ass. 836 00:44:25,746 --> 00:44:27,873 And I should have. 837 00:44:27,915 --> 00:44:32,169 Really, 'cause he just started to grandstand. 838 00:44:32,211 --> 00:44:34,588 You know, he was caught up in the moment. 839 00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:40,094 Smart as he is, and as shrewd as he is, 840 00:44:40,135 --> 00:44:42,805 he overreacted, 841 00:44:42,846 --> 00:44:45,432 and we lost an opportunity there. 842 00:44:45,474 --> 00:44:49,144 And then somebody said, "Let's hold them. 843 00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:51,689 Let's add to the hostage count." 844 00:44:54,274 --> 00:44:57,820 I hope I'm speaking for every brother here. 845 00:44:57,861 --> 00:45:00,280 I want to address this to you, Oswald. 846 00:45:00,322 --> 00:45:02,950 You come in here popping that game. 847 00:45:02,991 --> 00:45:04,326 I know you don't give a fuck 848 00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:05,744 about none of them hacks out there. 849 00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:07,037 Let me tell you something. 850 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,164 - I don't give a fuck about you. - Nothing. 851 00:45:09,206 --> 00:45:11,125 I know them people don't mean nothing to you. 852 00:45:11,166 --> 00:45:12,918 Nothing. 853 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,337 And I'ma tell you before you leave here... if you leave. 854 00:45:15,379 --> 00:45:19,049 Mr. Oswald, it seems to me that you weren't honest. 855 00:45:19,091 --> 00:45:23,262 It seems to me that you weren't honest at prevarications. 856 00:45:23,303 --> 00:45:26,765 I bear witness to your evil deeds, Mr. Oswald. 857 00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:30,227 Now, I repeat, as I told you yesterday, 858 00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:32,688 we're being lenient with you. 859 00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:35,691 - We're negotiating. - We are talking. 860 00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:38,861 - We shouldn't be. - We should be demanding. 861 00:45:38,902 --> 00:45:40,195 Why? 862 00:45:40,237 --> 00:45:43,949 Because we have 35 lives, not hostages. 863 00:45:43,991 --> 00:45:46,201 And I repeat, Mr. Oswald, 864 00:45:46,243 --> 00:45:49,747 a moment's hesitation will cause you their lives. 865 00:45:49,788 --> 00:45:52,916 The meeting in the yard got very tense 866 00:45:52,958 --> 00:45:55,586 because Oswald would talk to you 867 00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:57,588 from one side of his mouth, 868 00:45:57,629 --> 00:45:59,965 and then when he left the yard and go outside, 869 00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:01,800 he talks from the other side of the mouth. 870 00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:03,010 Have the inmates made 871 00:46:03,051 --> 00:46:04,678 any demands that you know of? 872 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,239 There are all kinds of demands, you know, 873 00:46:06,263 --> 00:46:09,099 for the change in... Change in the whole world. 874 00:46:09,141 --> 00:46:13,937 But what he forgot was that he was being seen on TV. 875 00:46:13,979 --> 00:46:18,275 - Come on. How could he do that? - We're watching you. 876 00:46:18,317 --> 00:46:20,986 And you stated it yesterday on the news media, 877 00:46:21,028 --> 00:46:22,738 in a huff, in a panic. 878 00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:24,740 You said, "Well, I don't know what they want. 879 00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:26,825 They want the world." And you left it like that. 880 00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:28,136 You walked away from the reporters. 881 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,828 Would you reply to that, Mr. Oswald? 882 00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:31,497 Yes, I did say that. 883 00:46:31,538 --> 00:46:32,640 No, we didn't ask you that, because we didn't... 884 00:46:32,664 --> 00:46:33,832 Let him finish, please. 885 00:46:33,874 --> 00:46:35,334 I did say that. 886 00:46:35,375 --> 00:46:37,252 Can't bullshit a bullshitter. 887 00:46:37,294 --> 00:46:39,171 You can't do that. 888 00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:41,632 The first time he came in, "I'ma do this, 889 00:46:41,673 --> 00:46:45,302 and people was happy. 890 00:46:45,344 --> 00:46:47,071 "All right, go on about your business, get it done." 891 00:46:47,095 --> 00:46:50,474 Came back in and started talking, you know... 892 00:46:50,516 --> 00:46:52,100 You know, he was going roundabout there 893 00:46:52,142 --> 00:46:53,811 and roundabout there, and they said, 894 00:46:53,852 --> 00:46:56,271 "No, don't let the hostages go. 895 00:46:56,313 --> 00:46:58,106 All right, how about you be a hostage?" 896 00:46:58,148 --> 00:47:03,028 We have been asking for over 29 hours for food and water. 897 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:05,447 - We haven't got none. - We're gonna keep Mr. Russell... 898 00:47:05,489 --> 00:47:07,074 Russell G. Oswald here 899 00:47:07,115 --> 00:47:08,617 until we get some food and water. 900 00:47:10,744 --> 00:47:12,138 "No, we're not letting him out of here. 901 00:47:12,162 --> 00:47:14,039 We're keeping him hostage." 902 00:47:14,081 --> 00:47:16,250 We all... we shut that down. 903 00:47:16,291 --> 00:47:19,169 - We're not gonna be like them. - We're not gonna break our word. 904 00:47:19,211 --> 00:47:20,879 And he says, "Well, inmates would be 905 00:47:20,921 --> 00:47:21,964 more honorable than them?" 906 00:47:22,005 --> 00:47:24,132 Yes, we were. 907 00:47:24,174 --> 00:47:26,552 'Cause we gave them our word nothing would happen to them. 908 00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:36,562 And everybody started screaming, 909 00:47:36,603 --> 00:47:39,314 "Let him go! Let him go!" 910 00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:40,691 Security, please. 911 00:47:42,651 --> 00:47:44,319 Security, please. 912 00:47:45,404 --> 00:47:48,073 And he got out of Dodge, and he never came back. 913 00:47:53,537 --> 00:47:55,706 In New York state, some 500 inmates 914 00:47:55,747 --> 00:47:58,959 of the Attica Maximum Security Prison are still in revolt. 915 00:47:59,001 --> 00:48:01,169 Authorities tried unsuccessfully to reach 916 00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:04,214 a settlement with the prisoners over demands for reforms 917 00:48:04,256 --> 00:48:06,758 and to obtain release of more than 30 hostages. 918 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,886 We have a report on what's been happening at Attica 919 00:48:08,927 --> 00:48:10,929 from ABC's John Johnson. 920 00:48:10,971 --> 00:48:12,055 Fires were still burning 921 00:48:12,097 --> 00:48:13,974 at Attica State Prison. 922 00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:17,102 Despite a small army of police and state troopers, 923 00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:20,564 the prisoners continue to call the shots at Attica. 924 00:48:20,606 --> 00:48:23,859 Commissioner Oswald announced that prison officials 925 00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:25,944 were attempting to bring to the prison 926 00:48:25,986 --> 00:48:29,865 those people requested by the prisoners. 927 00:48:29,907 --> 00:48:34,244 The group was basically people 928 00:48:34,286 --> 00:48:35,996 whom they knew. 929 00:48:36,038 --> 00:48:38,165 People like Tom Wicker, 930 00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:41,376 who had written a column about prisoners. 931 00:48:41,418 --> 00:48:43,462 Senator John Dunne 932 00:48:43,503 --> 00:48:45,714 was chairman of the Prisons Committee 933 00:48:45,756 --> 00:48:47,215 and sympathetic. 934 00:48:47,257 --> 00:48:49,384 He was asked to come. 935 00:48:49,426 --> 00:48:53,764 Bill Kunstler, a lawyer for the Chicago Seven. 936 00:48:53,805 --> 00:48:55,724 Asked him to come in. 937 00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:58,101 And Clarence Jones, 938 00:48:58,143 --> 00:49:00,812 publisher of the Amsterdam News. 939 00:49:05,484 --> 00:49:06,794 I have a driver who's driving me up 940 00:49:06,818 --> 00:49:08,362 to the Amsterdam News. 941 00:49:08,403 --> 00:49:10,030 And the driver says, "Boss! 942 00:49:10,072 --> 00:49:11,299 They're calling your name on the radio." 943 00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:13,367 I said, "What you mean?" 944 00:49:13,408 --> 00:49:16,203 Called Rockefeller, and lo and behold, 945 00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:17,955 the governor picked up the phone. 946 00:49:17,996 --> 00:49:22,000 He said, "Thank you so much, Mr. Jones. 947 00:49:22,042 --> 00:49:23,794 We have a major situation. 948 00:49:25,504 --> 00:49:28,840 A number of the inmates have called your name. 949 00:49:30,884 --> 00:49:32,970 We'll have a car pick you up 950 00:49:33,011 --> 00:49:35,347 and take you to a private airport... 951 00:49:37,265 --> 00:49:39,810 where a state private plane is waiting for you." 952 00:49:42,062 --> 00:49:45,857 And there, I'm off to Attica, 953 00:49:45,899 --> 00:49:49,486 to be part of the observers committee. 954 00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:55,283 My wife and I were off on a vacation at the time, 955 00:49:55,325 --> 00:49:57,470 and we got a call that they had asked me to come there, 956 00:49:57,494 --> 00:49:59,663 and I felt that, with my prior experience 957 00:49:59,705 --> 00:50:01,206 and my responsibilities 958 00:50:01,248 --> 00:50:02,725 as the chairman of the Prison Committee, 959 00:50:02,749 --> 00:50:04,042 I ought to be there. 960 00:50:06,169 --> 00:50:07,838 I was optimistic. 961 00:50:07,879 --> 00:50:11,258 I thought, "Give it a shot." 962 00:50:11,299 --> 00:50:13,010 For the rebel prisoners of Attica, 963 00:50:13,051 --> 00:50:15,512 the encouraging appearance of people they consider friends, 964 00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:17,305 a 30-man mediation committee, 965 00:50:17,347 --> 00:50:19,474 including a congressman, four newsmen, 966 00:50:19,516 --> 00:50:22,310 and most importantly, lawyer William Kunstler. 967 00:50:22,352 --> 00:50:23,520 Have you heard anything 968 00:50:23,562 --> 00:50:25,105 from Governor Rockefeller's office? 969 00:50:25,147 --> 00:50:28,650 I mean, has he put any time limit on these negotiations? 970 00:50:28,692 --> 00:50:32,279 No, but I understand that there is no present plan 971 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,240 to use force in this prison, and I hope that continues. 972 00:50:35,282 --> 00:50:37,367 I just hope that they realize that this is 973 00:50:37,409 --> 00:50:41,079 a unique situation, and that it may take time, 974 00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:43,248 and that if everyone's in good faith, 975 00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:44,791 something will work out. 976 00:50:47,085 --> 00:50:49,713 - It was scary. - The tension was tremendous. 977 00:50:49,755 --> 00:50:52,007 You could have cut the air with a knife. 978 00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:54,092 It was terrifying. 979 00:50:54,134 --> 00:50:56,928 I remember going into the yard and saying to Mel Rivers, 980 00:50:56,970 --> 00:50:58,597 "Do you have a cigarette?" 981 00:50:58,638 --> 00:51:00,533 And he said, "You have one in your... one in your hand, 982 00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:03,101 one in your mouth, and one in your ear." 983 00:51:03,143 --> 00:51:05,771 I was scared. 984 00:51:05,812 --> 00:51:07,939 When you see a tower with people with rifles... 985 00:51:09,441 --> 00:51:12,611 I kept thinking, um, we should stay close 986 00:51:12,652 --> 00:51:14,279 to Tom Wicker and Herman Badillo, 987 00:51:14,321 --> 00:51:16,823 because they would be the least likely to be shot. 988 00:51:19,326 --> 00:51:21,787 Frank "Big Black" Smith 989 00:51:21,828 --> 00:51:25,624 was the overall security leader. 990 00:51:25,665 --> 00:51:28,126 He took that job on himself already. 991 00:51:28,168 --> 00:51:30,629 He was the guy. 992 00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:32,339 He was the big man. 993 00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:35,008 I mean, this fella was big. 994 00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:37,427 They was responsible to making sure that 995 00:51:37,469 --> 00:51:41,223 the observers that came in... 996 00:51:41,264 --> 00:51:43,308 The same way they came in 997 00:51:43,350 --> 00:51:45,227 is the same way they left. 998 00:51:45,268 --> 00:51:48,105 You know, no harm come to them. 999 00:51:48,146 --> 00:51:52,025 He said, "Well, we gotta have a inmate security force." 1000 00:51:52,067 --> 00:51:54,736 - Said, "All right. - We're looking for volunteers. 1001 00:51:54,778 --> 00:51:58,532 You, you, you, you, you, y'all on the inmate force. 1002 00:51:58,573 --> 00:52:00,659 And it can't be all Black guys. 1003 00:52:00,700 --> 00:52:03,495 We need Black guys, white guys, and Puerto Ricans." 1004 00:52:06,873 --> 00:52:10,001 We would line up and create a corridor, 1005 00:52:10,043 --> 00:52:12,504 and they would walk down the middle of the corridor, 1006 00:52:12,546 --> 00:52:16,424 with us being a barrier between general population 1007 00:52:16,466 --> 00:52:18,009 and the negotiators. 1008 00:52:18,051 --> 00:52:20,846 So we would just stand shoulder to shoulder 1009 00:52:20,887 --> 00:52:24,349 and give them that safe space to walk through. 1010 00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:29,855 We began to talk to with them 1011 00:52:29,896 --> 00:52:32,107 about what they wanted. 1012 00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:36,528 And they had their list of things 1013 00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:39,114 that they wanted already written. 1014 00:52:39,156 --> 00:52:42,033 You know, everybody wanted a voice... 1015 00:52:42,075 --> 00:52:44,411 Good, bad, and the whacked out. 1016 00:52:44,452 --> 00:52:47,747 So nothing went easy, but it went. 1017 00:52:47,789 --> 00:52:49,916 We got to a point where we had 1018 00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:53,545 what we thought might be possible. 1019 00:52:53,587 --> 00:52:56,298 Their demands were, you know, 1020 00:52:56,339 --> 00:52:59,676 reasonable demands about living conditions. 1021 00:52:59,718 --> 00:53:02,804 They wanted medical care, 1022 00:53:02,846 --> 00:53:06,057 uh, decent food, 1023 00:53:06,099 --> 00:53:10,270 uh, fair disciplinary hearings. 1024 00:53:13,356 --> 00:53:16,359 Basically, they wanted to be treated 1025 00:53:16,401 --> 00:53:19,571 like human beings. 1026 00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:20,864 Prisoners late last night 1027 00:53:20,906 --> 00:53:23,241 met with a 30-member civilian committee 1028 00:53:23,283 --> 00:53:25,243 in an attempt to clarify demands 1029 00:53:25,285 --> 00:53:27,537 ranging from better prison life conditions 1030 00:53:27,579 --> 00:53:29,664 to more religious and political freedom. 1031 00:53:29,706 --> 00:53:33,001 I injected into the demands 1032 00:53:33,043 --> 00:53:36,755 for some people to go to a non-imperialistic country, 1033 00:53:36,796 --> 00:53:39,382 you know, to be flied out. 1034 00:53:39,424 --> 00:53:42,177 We thought Cuba was gonna come and get us. 1035 00:53:42,219 --> 00:53:46,389 You ship troops to Vietnam, to Santo Domingo, 1036 00:53:46,431 --> 00:53:49,351 to all these foreign countries, to oppress the brothers. 1037 00:53:49,392 --> 00:53:51,478 You can bring one of these helicopters in here 1038 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,563 and ship us on out of this country. 1039 00:53:55,732 --> 00:53:58,526 We done seen people snatch airplanes and all like that 1040 00:53:58,568 --> 00:54:01,238 and go to Cuba and Algiers and all other places. 1041 00:54:01,279 --> 00:54:03,114 Why not get out of jail? 1042 00:54:03,156 --> 00:54:06,117 An Air France jet was hijacked by Palestinian guerillas. 1043 00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:10,330 A 17-year-old girl hijacked a TWA jetliner on a... 1044 00:54:10,372 --> 00:54:12,707 I had four years in on a 25-to-life sentence. 1045 00:54:12,749 --> 00:54:14,918 Why not get out of jail? 1046 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,419 Why not? 1047 00:54:16,461 --> 00:54:20,131 Well, we all knew that that wasn't gonna happen. 1048 00:54:20,173 --> 00:54:24,761 We weren't gonna go to Algeria in their plane, I knew that. 1049 00:54:24,803 --> 00:54:27,889 Everybody, the back of their minds, knew that. 1050 00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:29,307 But we needed amnesty. 1051 00:54:31,810 --> 00:54:33,395 We want the federal judiciary 1052 00:54:33,436 --> 00:54:35,480 to guarantee complete amnesty 1053 00:54:35,522 --> 00:54:38,149 to each and every one of us that has taken part 1054 00:54:38,191 --> 00:54:42,070 in the struggle here at Attica, to ensure that this amnesty 1055 00:54:42,112 --> 00:54:44,531 will not be just a groping in the wind, 1056 00:54:44,572 --> 00:54:48,493 but a reality for each and every one of us. 1057 00:54:48,535 --> 00:54:50,537 They were not looking to be relieved 1058 00:54:50,578 --> 00:54:53,415 of the prison sentences to which they had been sent 1059 00:54:53,456 --> 00:54:55,792 by the courts after being convicted. 1060 00:54:55,834 --> 00:54:59,921 They were looking to be freed from any prosecution 1061 00:54:59,963 --> 00:55:03,633 or any penalties for their engaging in the riot. 1062 00:55:06,678 --> 00:55:09,806 Besides the normal beatings and everything else 1063 00:55:09,848 --> 00:55:14,811 that they're gonna do to us, which is, you know, automatic, 1064 00:55:14,853 --> 00:55:17,856 we knew that they could also take us and bring us to courts 1065 00:55:17,897 --> 00:55:22,193 and, you know, and turn us into the monster inmates 1066 00:55:22,235 --> 00:55:24,988 who took over the prison. 1067 00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:28,366 We are not advocating violence. 1068 00:55:28,408 --> 00:55:30,702 We all want to live. 1069 00:55:32,912 --> 00:55:35,665 All of us. 1070 00:55:35,707 --> 00:55:37,751 If any of you gentlemen own dogs... 1071 00:55:39,794 --> 00:55:42,922 You're treating them better than we have been treated 1072 00:55:42,964 --> 00:55:45,133 the last year. 1073 00:55:47,761 --> 00:55:49,721 They were fiercely trying 1074 00:55:49,763 --> 00:55:52,432 to convince prison authorities 1075 00:55:52,474 --> 00:55:55,602 that they didn't cease being a human being 1076 00:55:55,643 --> 00:55:59,689 merely by the fact that they were incarcerated 1077 00:55:59,731 --> 00:56:03,526 because they had broken a law of society. 1078 00:56:03,568 --> 00:56:05,695 Now, that's a profound thing. 1079 00:56:05,737 --> 00:56:08,698 "I am somebody. 1080 00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:11,076 I'm not a thing. 1081 00:56:11,117 --> 00:56:14,621 You can't treat me like a dog. 1082 00:56:14,662 --> 00:56:18,249 I may be a prisoner, but I have dignity." 1083 00:56:18,291 --> 00:56:21,503 And that's what they insisted 1084 00:56:21,544 --> 00:56:24,506 on getting the... 1085 00:56:24,547 --> 00:56:28,885 power structure of Attica to recognize... 1086 00:56:28,927 --> 00:56:32,931 That they continued to be somebody. 1087 00:56:35,642 --> 00:56:39,145 The observers, they all were listening to us. 1088 00:56:39,187 --> 00:56:43,274 I feel that they were supporting us. 1089 00:56:43,316 --> 00:56:46,444 You see, and that meant a lot to us. 1090 00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:50,907 - "- This is our situation. - Please listen to us." 1091 00:56:50,949 --> 00:56:53,284 - And that's what they were doing. - They were listening. 1092 00:56:53,326 --> 00:56:55,495 It felt like there was somebody that believed in us. 1093 00:56:55,537 --> 00:56:57,288 It felt that way. 1094 00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:58,665 That somebody believed that, 1095 00:56:58,706 --> 00:57:00,542 you know, you did have some rights, 1096 00:57:00,583 --> 00:57:02,583 even though you were a convicted felon of whatever. 1097 00:57:04,796 --> 00:57:08,133 We'd be able to get better mailing privileges, 1098 00:57:08,174 --> 00:57:09,926 better medical privileges. 1099 00:57:09,968 --> 00:57:13,847 We tried to nail it down to that which was realistic 1100 00:57:13,888 --> 00:57:17,600 and possible, distinguished from a plane 1101 00:57:17,642 --> 00:57:20,645 waiting for us outside the cell block, 1102 00:57:20,687 --> 00:57:22,981 flying us to Cuba. 1103 00:57:23,022 --> 00:57:24,816 That's what it was. 1104 00:57:24,858 --> 00:57:28,194 It was realism from fantasy. 1105 00:57:29,946 --> 00:57:32,365 We want to be treated as human beings. 1106 00:57:33,741 --> 00:57:37,829 We will be treated as human beings. 1107 00:57:37,871 --> 00:57:39,664 We have come to the conclusion... 1108 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:44,627 after close study, 1109 00:57:44,669 --> 00:57:47,881 after much suffering, 1110 00:57:47,922 --> 00:57:51,217 after much consideration, 1111 00:57:51,259 --> 00:57:56,306 that if we cannot live as people, 1112 00:57:56,347 --> 00:58:00,226 then we will at least try to die like men. 1113 00:58:04,314 --> 00:58:08,359 That statement resounded everywhere. 1114 00:58:14,115 --> 00:58:16,284 In that yard, when he said that, 1115 00:58:16,326 --> 00:58:19,704 a roar went up like no other. 1116 00:58:19,746 --> 00:58:21,498 This was their stand. 1117 00:58:21,539 --> 00:58:24,459 I saw that I really... 1118 00:58:24,501 --> 00:58:26,753 None of us were gonna be observers. 1119 00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:28,796 We were gonna be mediators. 1120 00:58:28,838 --> 00:58:31,591 Whether we wanted to be mediators or not, 1121 00:58:31,633 --> 00:58:35,512 whether we were called up to be mediators, 1122 00:58:35,553 --> 00:58:39,766 this prison uprising had to be mediated. 1123 00:58:39,807 --> 00:58:42,727 Otherwise, it was gonna end in disaster. 1124 00:58:44,437 --> 00:58:48,274 If you people do not understand, 1125 00:58:48,316 --> 00:58:51,903 if you people do not stick with us, 1126 00:58:51,945 --> 00:58:53,947 if you people cannot make the commitment 1127 00:58:53,988 --> 00:58:55,406 that we have made here... 1128 00:58:57,742 --> 00:59:00,036 we are dead. 1129 00:59:00,078 --> 00:59:03,957 I appeal, beseech you all 1130 00:59:03,998 --> 00:59:05,959 to stand with us, 1131 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,503 walk with us, 1132 00:59:08,545 --> 00:59:10,713 die with us, if necessary! 1133 00:59:10,755 --> 00:59:13,591 - I hear you! - You and all the people! 1134 00:59:13,633 --> 00:59:16,553 Power to you and all the people! 1135 00:59:40,326 --> 00:59:43,955 Things were growing on the outside. 1136 00:59:43,997 --> 00:59:45,665 Don't tape this. 1137 00:59:48,334 --> 00:59:50,378 There were more journalists. 1138 00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:53,423 There were more police. 1139 00:59:53,464 --> 00:59:55,758 And it was just getting bigger 1140 00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,013 and bigger and bigger. 1141 01:00:00,054 --> 01:00:02,974 People are coming night and day, 1142 01:00:03,016 --> 01:00:07,562 vans with reporters and police, and things are building up. 1143 01:00:11,065 --> 01:00:12,358 Among those keeping a vigil 1144 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,110 outside the prison walls, 1145 01:00:14,152 --> 01:00:16,863 the families of some of the 38 men held hostage. 1146 01:00:16,904 --> 01:00:19,741 I was just home, watching the TV. 1147 01:00:19,782 --> 01:00:23,745 I just kept looking for my husband. 1148 01:00:23,786 --> 01:00:27,040 Maybe he'd be killed or brutalized in some way, 1149 01:00:27,081 --> 01:00:28,916 because the inmates at that time 1150 01:00:28,958 --> 01:00:30,918 had the power there, you know. 1151 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,547 And if they didn't like somebody, or who knew what, 1152 01:00:34,589 --> 01:00:36,966 you were just scared to death that, you know, 1153 01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:38,968 they'd just kill them all or something 1154 01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:40,511 if they didn't get their way. 1155 01:00:42,472 --> 01:00:44,223 Families of the 31 hostages 1156 01:00:44,265 --> 01:00:46,059 wait for word as part of the prison 1157 01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,144 remains in control of the inmates. 1158 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:55,943 They were upset, 1159 01:00:55,985 --> 01:00:58,029 they were angry, and they were scared, 1160 01:00:58,071 --> 01:01:00,698 standing out there 1161 01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:03,993 while their loved ones are being held hostage, 1162 01:01:04,035 --> 01:01:05,703 and they are waiting 1163 01:01:05,745 --> 01:01:09,207 for any scrap of information, 1164 01:01:09,248 --> 01:01:11,376 to hear something. 1165 01:01:13,086 --> 01:01:15,546 And many of those families 1166 01:01:15,588 --> 01:01:17,548 stood vigil day and night out there. 1167 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,387 A bunch of people crying, 1168 01:01:22,428 --> 01:01:25,723 the wives and brothers and fathers, 1169 01:01:25,765 --> 01:01:27,517 freaking out. 1170 01:01:27,558 --> 01:01:29,560 Just panic. 1171 01:01:29,602 --> 01:01:32,021 People were afraid to talk in the parking lot 1172 01:01:32,063 --> 01:01:34,399 because they thought that... 1173 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,943 To any reporters or anybody, even. 1174 01:01:36,984 --> 01:01:38,945 They did it all in privacy 1175 01:01:38,986 --> 01:01:41,155 because they didn't want their relatives targeted, 1176 01:01:41,197 --> 01:01:43,032 singled out by the inmates. 1177 01:01:54,627 --> 01:01:56,546 I had sympathy for them. 1178 01:01:56,587 --> 01:01:59,590 They... where else were you gonna get a job 1179 01:01:59,632 --> 01:02:03,261 if you lived in that area? 1180 01:02:03,302 --> 01:02:06,097 And you had no training 1181 01:02:06,139 --> 01:02:09,016 and no understanding 1182 01:02:09,058 --> 01:02:11,018 of what it was like 1183 01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:14,272 to grow up in a poor, 1184 01:02:14,313 --> 01:02:17,942 Black, urban area. 1185 01:02:17,984 --> 01:02:21,112 You... these were aliens. 1186 01:02:21,154 --> 01:02:24,198 These were people from a different world. 1187 01:02:26,492 --> 01:02:29,787 And your family members 1188 01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:34,584 maybe are gonna get killed because of them? 1189 01:02:34,625 --> 01:02:38,045 Sure, you were infuriated. 1190 01:02:40,256 --> 01:02:42,925 All these dogs up there with all those rifles 1191 01:02:42,967 --> 01:02:44,844 are trying to kill us. 1192 01:02:44,886 --> 01:02:46,512 Well, we ain't gonna quit. 1193 01:02:46,554 --> 01:02:49,640 The inmates that were given microphones on TV, 1194 01:02:49,682 --> 01:02:51,851 I mean... very upsetting. 1195 01:02:53,394 --> 01:02:55,021 They should have resolved it right away. 1196 01:02:55,062 --> 01:02:58,357 - It just went on too far. - We all just wanted it to end. 1197 01:03:00,777 --> 01:03:04,906 What I would hear over the radio 1198 01:03:04,947 --> 01:03:06,783 and the TV 1199 01:03:06,824 --> 01:03:09,368 was not satisfying to me at all, 1200 01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:13,331 because it seemed to me that what I was hearing, 1201 01:03:13,372 --> 01:03:16,501 I didn't think was... 1202 01:03:16,542 --> 01:03:18,920 They were doing the right thing. 1203 01:03:18,961 --> 01:03:22,173 It just seemed sort of limp to me. 1204 01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:23,549 And that was frustrating. 1205 01:03:25,718 --> 01:03:27,345 You'd hear stuff from people. 1206 01:03:27,386 --> 01:03:29,138 That's where it got a little scary, too, 1207 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:32,266 'cause you could see how the inmates were considered, 1208 01:03:32,308 --> 01:03:35,520 like, less than human, kind of like animals. 1209 01:03:35,561 --> 01:03:37,939 There was people saying, you know, 1210 01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:39,482 "Don't worry about your dad." 1211 01:03:39,524 --> 01:03:42,235 You know, "they'll get theirs" type thing. 1212 01:03:42,276 --> 01:03:45,404 And so that kind of made it even more scary. 1213 01:03:45,446 --> 01:03:47,657 You realize how emotionally charged 1214 01:03:47,698 --> 01:03:49,826 the community's getting. 1215 01:03:49,867 --> 01:03:52,036 The tensions got worse and worse and worse. 1216 01:03:52,078 --> 01:03:53,996 Emotions got worse and worse and worse. 1217 01:04:04,173 --> 01:04:06,634 Saturday, I think that the hope 1218 01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:10,429 was stronger than the doubt, because after three days, 1219 01:04:10,471 --> 01:04:13,891 you know, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, 1220 01:04:13,933 --> 01:04:15,560 they hadn't came in there. 1221 01:04:15,601 --> 01:04:17,061 We had, like, 30 demands, 1222 01:04:17,103 --> 01:04:22,191 and most of them were possible. 1223 01:04:22,233 --> 01:04:25,319 And we were exuberant about it. 1224 01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:28,072 I've never seen anything like this. 1225 01:04:28,114 --> 01:04:30,408 The people in here are treated like dogs. 1226 01:04:30,449 --> 01:04:33,327 Not only the Black... The Puerto Rican and the white. 1227 01:04:33,369 --> 01:04:34,912 And we're gonna get what we demand, 1228 01:04:34,954 --> 01:04:36,747 or we gonna die trying. 1229 01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:38,833 Thank you. 1230 01:04:38,875 --> 01:04:40,626 We thought that, whatever happened, 1231 01:04:40,668 --> 01:04:42,920 we could maybe really walk away 1232 01:04:42,962 --> 01:04:44,589 with some improvement in our lives. 1233 01:04:47,216 --> 01:04:50,595 Point was is that whatever happened, 1234 01:04:50,636 --> 01:04:53,389 it just had to make a difference. 1235 01:04:53,431 --> 01:04:56,309 - Change had to happen. - You had to embrace hope. 1236 01:05:02,231 --> 01:05:04,775 There's a report that prison officials have yielded 1237 01:05:04,817 --> 01:05:07,236 to most of the demands by the rebelling inmates 1238 01:05:07,278 --> 01:05:09,405 at the Attica State Prison in New York, 1239 01:05:09,447 --> 01:05:11,449 where more than 30 persons have been held hostage 1240 01:05:11,490 --> 01:05:13,993 for three days. 1241 01:05:14,035 --> 01:05:16,787 As you know, during this ordeal, 1242 01:05:16,829 --> 01:05:19,749 I have personally met with inmates 1243 01:05:19,790 --> 01:05:23,502 on several occasions in areas under their control, 1244 01:05:23,544 --> 01:05:26,589 and have demonstrated my commitment 1245 01:05:26,631 --> 01:05:29,634 to deal with the issues they have raised 1246 01:05:29,675 --> 01:05:33,304 by accepting 28 of the 30 1247 01:05:33,346 --> 01:05:35,640 major inmate proposals. 1248 01:05:35,681 --> 01:05:38,809 Mr. Kunstler, can you tell me what's gonna happen now? 1249 01:05:38,851 --> 01:05:42,730 Well, we hope negotiations will start this afternoon 1250 01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:44,649 and continue until they reach a solution. 1251 01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:46,734 Is Huey Newton or Bobby Seale, 1252 01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:48,736 - are they coming? - They were asked for. 1253 01:05:48,778 --> 01:05:50,071 We hope so, and we understood 1254 01:05:50,112 --> 01:05:51,656 that they were en route. 1255 01:05:51,697 --> 01:05:54,033 We had kind of settled in 1256 01:05:54,075 --> 01:05:55,826 on the demands, 1257 01:05:55,868 --> 01:06:00,289 and we had negotiated with Oswald for his commitment 1258 01:06:00,331 --> 01:06:02,333 to 28 of them. 1259 01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:07,254 And the whole point of Bobby Seale's coming there 1260 01:06:07,296 --> 01:06:10,091 would be for him to bless and support 1261 01:06:10,132 --> 01:06:12,635 and urge the inmates to accept them. 1262 01:06:18,265 --> 01:06:20,142 Bobby Seale was our hero, 1263 01:06:20,184 --> 01:06:22,812 because he was speaking out about the brutality 1264 01:06:22,853 --> 01:06:25,314 that was happening in the prison system. 1265 01:06:25,356 --> 01:06:27,817 He was doing what we were trying to live. 1266 01:06:27,858 --> 01:06:30,987 He was a Panther, the second-in-command. 1267 01:06:31,028 --> 01:06:33,197 I really thought he was gonna help us out. 1268 01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:36,701 Every demand. Every demand. 1269 01:06:39,036 --> 01:06:42,081 - Bobby didn't stay long. - Bobby didn't stay long. 1270 01:06:42,123 --> 01:06:44,500 Came up to where the negotiating table was, 1271 01:06:44,542 --> 01:06:45,835 made his little speech. 1272 01:06:45,876 --> 01:06:47,628 He ain't walk around the yard. 1273 01:06:49,088 --> 01:06:50,798 Bobby walked right up out the jail. 1274 01:06:54,301 --> 01:06:56,303 It was quite a letdown. 1275 01:06:56,345 --> 01:06:58,806 - Let's go. - Let's go, big man. 1276 01:06:58,848 --> 01:07:00,850 He stayed all about three minutes. 1277 01:07:03,561 --> 01:07:06,981 At that point, everybody just sitting around 1278 01:07:07,023 --> 01:07:09,025 waiting for something to happen. 1279 01:07:13,237 --> 01:07:17,366 But then Billy Quinn died, 1280 01:07:17,408 --> 01:07:19,869 and that transformed everything. 1281 01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:21,537 The State Prison in Attica, New York, 1282 01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:23,330 is at the crisis point. 1283 01:07:23,372 --> 01:07:25,875 The death of one of the guards has hardened the position 1284 01:07:25,916 --> 01:07:28,044 of prison officials, and there are strong... 1285 01:07:28,085 --> 01:07:30,046 You don't get amnesty for a murder. 1286 01:07:30,087 --> 01:07:31,630 I immediately knew... 1287 01:07:35,718 --> 01:07:39,638 that the process of negotiations 1288 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,017 just became far more difficult. 1289 01:07:43,059 --> 01:07:45,644 I knew that was, uh, 1290 01:07:45,686 --> 01:07:48,898 that was the worst possible thing that could happen. 1291 01:07:48,939 --> 01:07:53,319 How could they peacefully negotiate 1292 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,155 with inmates who they held responsible 1293 01:07:56,197 --> 01:07:57,865 for the death of a guard? 1294 01:08:01,327 --> 01:08:05,122 Prior to his passing on, 1295 01:08:05,164 --> 01:08:09,085 there was a hope and even an expectation, 1296 01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:11,921 because people were listening, 1297 01:08:11,962 --> 01:08:13,255 people were coming to understand 1298 01:08:13,297 --> 01:08:16,300 what we had been living through 1299 01:08:16,342 --> 01:08:18,803 and suffering as prisoners there. 1300 01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:23,474 We knew that it was a new ballgame. 1301 01:08:23,516 --> 01:08:28,187 It was depression and fear... 1302 01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:32,233 and, you know, anxiety, and, yeah, 1303 01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:34,110 everything you could imagine. 1304 01:08:34,151 --> 01:08:37,196 We had to drop a lot of issues 1305 01:08:37,238 --> 01:08:40,366 and focus on amnesty as one, 1306 01:08:40,407 --> 01:08:42,535 as the main issue, 1307 01:08:42,576 --> 01:08:47,414 because we didn't want to be charged with murder. 1308 01:08:47,456 --> 01:08:50,292 We said, as a group... 1309 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,799 that we was gonna stand in solidarity with everyone. 1310 01:08:58,551 --> 01:09:01,053 If they could not give amnesty to everybody, 1311 01:09:01,095 --> 01:09:03,848 then we was not gonna leave anyone in the clutch 1312 01:09:03,889 --> 01:09:06,642 or in... to take... Or throw anybody under the bus, 1313 01:09:06,684 --> 01:09:08,269 so to speak, to take this. 1314 01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:10,271 We acted together. 1315 01:09:10,312 --> 01:09:14,108 We understood that this was us, 1316 01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:16,110 that if we didn't stand together now, 1317 01:09:16,152 --> 01:09:18,154 we never would, and it would... 1318 01:09:18,195 --> 01:09:21,365 We would live like dogs for the rest of our lives. 1319 01:09:23,576 --> 01:09:25,953 We understood that. 1320 01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:29,373 Did I wish that we could somehow back away? 1321 01:09:29,415 --> 01:09:30,708 But not without amnesty. 1322 01:09:30,749 --> 01:09:31,834 How do the inmates feel 1323 01:09:31,876 --> 01:09:33,586 about the current situation? 1324 01:09:33,627 --> 01:09:36,714 A group of us were in with the inmates. 1325 01:09:36,755 --> 01:09:39,049 We met with them. 1326 01:09:39,091 --> 01:09:42,803 - We had two and a half hours. - Some of the people are here. 1327 01:09:42,845 --> 01:09:44,485 But we really have nothing to say about it 1328 01:09:44,513 --> 01:09:47,975 except they are firm in their demands, and that's it. 1329 01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:49,911 In other words, they're not gonna let the hostages go 1330 01:09:49,935 --> 01:09:51,645 until they're granted total amnesty. 1331 01:09:51,687 --> 01:09:53,522 That was their last position. 1332 01:09:59,111 --> 01:10:00,738 The flag at half staff 1333 01:10:00,779 --> 01:10:02,716 for the injured guard who had died the night before 1334 01:10:02,740 --> 01:10:04,408 set the mood this morning. 1335 01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:05,802 It was clear that the troubles of this troubled prison 1336 01:10:05,826 --> 01:10:07,661 had grown worse. 1337 01:10:07,703 --> 01:10:10,664 That Sunday, you had that fog that came over, 1338 01:10:10,706 --> 01:10:13,083 and it was a certain chill in the air. 1339 01:10:13,125 --> 01:10:15,628 You know, something didn't feel right. 1340 01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:17,963 It didn't feel right. 1341 01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:19,673 There are strong indications tonight 1342 01:10:19,715 --> 01:10:21,508 that police will be sent into the cell block 1343 01:10:21,550 --> 01:10:23,177 in an attempt to rescue 1344 01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:25,596 the rest of the hostages by force. 1345 01:10:29,725 --> 01:10:31,560 Water was cut off. 1346 01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:33,854 Food was getting scarce. 1347 01:10:33,896 --> 01:10:36,190 Patience was getting short. 1348 01:10:36,232 --> 01:10:39,109 And people were totally wondering 1349 01:10:39,151 --> 01:10:42,112 what is gonna be the outcome of the situation. 1350 01:10:50,579 --> 01:10:52,122 There was enormous pressure, 1351 01:10:52,164 --> 01:10:55,000 and I witnessed it as I took a breather 1352 01:10:55,042 --> 01:10:58,796 and went out to the public space, 1353 01:10:58,837 --> 01:11:00,631 just outside the prison, 1354 01:11:00,673 --> 01:11:02,967 where a lot of correction officers, 1355 01:11:03,008 --> 01:11:04,969 their families, troopers, 1356 01:11:05,010 --> 01:11:06,804 and other officials were gathered together. 1357 01:11:09,181 --> 01:11:11,976 I mean, the news was completely about that... 1358 01:11:12,017 --> 01:11:13,644 You know, that the state troopers 1359 01:11:13,686 --> 01:11:17,648 and everybody were poised on the top, looking in. 1360 01:11:17,690 --> 01:11:20,651 It was all about these rumors 1361 01:11:20,693 --> 01:11:23,612 that the prisoners 1362 01:11:23,654 --> 01:11:27,074 were castrating the hostages, 1363 01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:30,452 that they were torturing them, 1364 01:11:30,494 --> 01:11:32,830 and it's gonna end in bloodshed. 1365 01:11:32,871 --> 01:11:37,668 And that was the storyline that was terrifying people. 1366 01:11:37,710 --> 01:11:39,271 Could you turn around this way, to the camera? 1367 01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:42,381 I think I did a few interviews, 1368 01:11:42,423 --> 01:11:45,551 and the people were... Made it very clear 1369 01:11:45,592 --> 01:11:48,220 that these are bad people in there, 1370 01:11:48,262 --> 01:11:51,640 and they shouldn't be doing this, 1371 01:11:51,682 --> 01:11:53,767 you know, they should be taken care of. 1372 01:11:53,809 --> 01:11:55,453 - You know what I mean. - They should hang them. 1373 01:11:55,477 --> 01:11:58,063 And crazy stuff. 1374 01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:00,858 I mean, it was just really crazy. 1375 01:12:00,899 --> 01:12:03,444 It was a very hostile environment. 1376 01:12:03,485 --> 01:12:05,779 I'd like to show them a little brutality. 1377 01:12:05,821 --> 01:12:08,866 Is this being brutal to us or not? 1378 01:12:08,907 --> 01:12:11,994 - Don't point that bitch at me. - I'll stick it up your ass! 1379 01:12:12,036 --> 01:12:14,038 I'm a father of eight children, 1380 01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:15,831 and Michael is the oldest, 1381 01:12:15,873 --> 01:12:18,709 and I wouldn't want to see any one of them die. 1382 01:12:18,751 --> 01:12:20,878 But if he is gonna die, 1383 01:12:20,919 --> 01:12:24,298 I want that whole damn thing bombed right the hell off. 1384 01:12:26,884 --> 01:12:28,052 While the talking went on, 1385 01:12:28,093 --> 01:12:30,054 the state police kept reinforcing. 1386 01:12:30,095 --> 01:12:32,890 At least 500 men in and out of the walls. 1387 01:12:32,931 --> 01:12:35,309 No indication that any of this force will be used, 1388 01:12:35,351 --> 01:12:37,644 but the police are ready. 1389 01:12:37,686 --> 01:12:39,772 Well, any time you went 1390 01:12:39,813 --> 01:12:43,692 in and out of the prison, there was an army, 1391 01:12:43,734 --> 01:12:45,444 and they were armed 1392 01:12:45,486 --> 01:12:49,573 with every conceivable type of weapon. 1393 01:12:49,615 --> 01:12:54,078 And it really looked like 1394 01:12:54,119 --> 01:12:56,622 they wanted to use those weapons. 1395 01:12:56,663 --> 01:12:59,750 You had the sense of their anger, 1396 01:12:59,792 --> 01:13:01,877 and they'd been held back, and... 1397 01:13:05,589 --> 01:13:07,091 they wanted to move. 1398 01:13:07,132 --> 01:13:11,095 They wanted to... to attack. 1399 01:13:15,557 --> 01:13:17,893 Yeah, they were very impatient. 1400 01:13:17,935 --> 01:13:20,020 Very unhappy. 1401 01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,232 They were all thrown into a situation 1402 01:13:23,273 --> 01:13:25,609 which they were not prepared for, 1403 01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:29,822 and about which they had basically an animosity. 1404 01:13:33,992 --> 01:13:35,786 I wish you would take any of the men 1405 01:13:35,828 --> 01:13:37,621 that belongs to us off the roof, 1406 01:13:37,663 --> 01:13:39,748 and any of the troopers out of here, 1407 01:13:39,790 --> 01:13:42,334 because if you get these shaky guys shooting off 1408 01:13:42,376 --> 01:13:44,795 or getting up in a goober over something, 1409 01:13:44,837 --> 01:13:48,298 somebody's gonna get excited, and then we're all gonna pay. 1410 01:13:48,340 --> 01:13:50,426 Now, this is not a joke. 1411 01:13:50,467 --> 01:13:52,845 This is not a... 1412 01:13:52,886 --> 01:13:55,806 Some kind of a little tea party we got here. 1413 01:13:55,848 --> 01:13:57,933 I just hope that the commissioner 1414 01:13:57,975 --> 01:13:59,518 and the other people in the committee 1415 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,187 that they've gathered together 1416 01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:05,023 can come up with a solution 1417 01:14:05,065 --> 01:14:09,194 to solve these people's problems, and ours. 1418 01:14:09,236 --> 01:14:10,988 Thank you very much. 1419 01:14:14,741 --> 01:14:17,995 Late Sunday afternoon, 1420 01:14:18,036 --> 01:14:20,330 Commissioner Oswald and the officials 1421 01:14:20,372 --> 01:14:23,834 were prepared and intended to retaking. 1422 01:14:25,878 --> 01:14:29,798 But I pressed Oswald to agree to give them 1423 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,342 until seven o'clock on Monday morning. 1424 01:14:32,384 --> 01:14:35,512 By Sunday morning, everything else had failed. 1425 01:14:35,554 --> 01:14:38,182 And so the... 1426 01:14:38,223 --> 01:14:41,310 The final shot 1427 01:14:41,351 --> 01:14:45,355 was going to be to try to get to Rockefeller. 1428 01:14:45,397 --> 01:14:49,985 And there was a committee of people put together to do that. 1429 01:14:50,027 --> 01:14:52,488 Good morning, Governor. 1430 01:14:52,529 --> 01:14:55,449 We wanted four friends of the governor 1431 01:14:55,491 --> 01:14:58,160 to call him and, "Please, as your friend, 1432 01:14:58,202 --> 01:15:00,913 let me ask you to come to Attica. 1433 01:15:00,954 --> 01:15:02,581 Not to meet with the prisoners, 1434 01:15:02,623 --> 01:15:07,127 but to come and lay your hand on approving these measures." 1435 01:15:07,169 --> 01:15:11,089 Sergeant Cunningham, now, would you give us a message 1436 01:15:11,131 --> 01:15:14,343 for Governor Nelson Rockefeller? 1437 01:15:14,384 --> 01:15:15,761 I certainly would. 1438 01:15:15,802 --> 01:15:17,304 One of the recommendations is, 1439 01:15:17,346 --> 01:15:19,890 "And if he says no, I'm dead." 1440 01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:21,975 I and some of my fellow members 1441 01:15:22,017 --> 01:15:24,895 of the observers committee felt very strongly 1442 01:15:24,937 --> 01:15:27,731 that if Governor Rockefeller were to come to 1443 01:15:27,773 --> 01:15:30,734 and identify with finding a solution, 1444 01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:33,862 it might have broken the logjam. 1445 01:15:33,904 --> 01:15:36,031 So I placed a call to Governor Rockefeller 1446 01:15:36,073 --> 01:15:37,741 somewhere around three o'clock. 1447 01:15:37,783 --> 01:15:41,495 Governor, what about your personal feelings right now? 1448 01:15:41,537 --> 01:15:44,039 On one level, it was a Hail Mary. 1449 01:15:44,081 --> 01:15:46,959 On the other level, it was more than a Hail Mary. 1450 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:51,129 These were prominent people. 1451 01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:53,382 People that you would think 1452 01:15:53,423 --> 01:15:56,343 Rockefeller respected, 1453 01:15:56,385 --> 01:15:59,012 making a sincere pitch. 1454 01:15:59,054 --> 01:16:01,682 - "- Come up here. - You don't have to go in. 1455 01:16:01,723 --> 01:16:03,559 You don't have to agree to anything. 1456 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,395 Your presence will have meaning." 1457 01:16:06,436 --> 01:16:09,648 Maybe if he came, that would be an opening 1458 01:16:09,690 --> 01:16:12,985 that would have allowed us to negotiate. 1459 01:16:13,026 --> 01:16:17,406 Maybe some other negotiators 1460 01:16:17,447 --> 01:16:20,617 could be brought in who would help the negotiation. 1461 01:16:20,659 --> 01:16:23,954 Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. 1462 01:16:23,996 --> 01:16:26,832 But "no, no, no, no" 1463 01:16:26,873 --> 01:16:29,751 meant "death, death, death, death." 1464 01:16:29,793 --> 01:16:31,461 Prisoners had been demanding 1465 01:16:31,503 --> 01:16:33,630 from the very beginning that I come into the yard, 1466 01:16:33,672 --> 01:16:38,260 and I frankly felt that the idea of governors... 1467 01:16:38,302 --> 01:16:40,220 Any time there was an uprising 1468 01:16:40,262 --> 01:16:42,723 or any time there was a prisoner taken... 1469 01:16:42,764 --> 01:16:44,808 Not a prisoner, but a hostage taken... 1470 01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:46,935 Being involved in the negotiation... 1471 01:16:46,977 --> 01:16:48,288 The next thing would be, "We don't want the governor. 1472 01:16:48,312 --> 01:16:49,896 We want the president." 1473 01:16:49,938 --> 01:16:51,523 Then we get to a situation 1474 01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:53,167 which is an impossible one for this country. 1475 01:16:53,191 --> 01:16:54,860 By the time they spoke to him, 1476 01:16:54,901 --> 01:16:57,279 he had made up his mind. 1477 01:16:57,321 --> 01:17:01,074 He listened carefully, he listened politely, 1478 01:17:01,116 --> 01:17:03,327 but by then, he had made up his mind. 1479 01:17:05,454 --> 01:17:07,623 We didn't understand the background 1480 01:17:07,664 --> 01:17:11,043 of his having consulted, on an ongoing basis, 1481 01:17:11,084 --> 01:17:14,171 during those days, with the White House. 1482 01:17:14,212 --> 01:17:17,424 The administration in Washington encouraged Rocky 1483 01:17:17,466 --> 01:17:20,344 to take a strong, hardline position, 1484 01:17:20,385 --> 01:17:23,013 which was unfortunate. 1485 01:17:23,055 --> 01:17:24,848 It was all a part of President Nixon's 1486 01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:26,350 law and order agenda. 1487 01:17:37,903 --> 01:17:40,906 Rockefeller wasn't calling the shots, 1488 01:17:40,947 --> 01:17:44,451 because he was on the phone 1489 01:17:44,493 --> 01:17:46,286 with Richard Nixon. 1490 01:17:48,580 --> 01:17:51,166 Rockefeller wanted to be president... 1491 01:17:52,584 --> 01:17:56,505 but the word on him was that he was too soft on crime. 1492 01:18:07,641 --> 01:18:11,728 And if he wanted the support of Nixon 1493 01:18:11,770 --> 01:18:13,772 and the Republican Party, 1494 01:18:13,814 --> 01:18:17,943 then he needed to go along. 1495 01:18:17,984 --> 01:18:20,028 And so he wouldn't come. 1496 01:18:25,951 --> 01:18:27,202 You know, now that Rockefeller 1497 01:18:27,244 --> 01:18:28,870 wasn't coming in... 1498 01:18:31,331 --> 01:18:34,084 it's like slamming the door on you. 1499 01:18:34,126 --> 01:18:35,752 You know, they slammed the door, 1500 01:18:35,794 --> 01:18:38,422 and we was locked in this room and we didn't know what to do. 1501 01:18:40,048 --> 01:18:42,759 We were to a great degree despondent 1502 01:18:42,801 --> 01:18:45,595 that we had no solution to this. 1503 01:18:45,637 --> 01:18:48,181 We didn't know what to do. 1504 01:18:48,223 --> 01:18:49,725 We made one last chance 1505 01:18:49,766 --> 01:18:52,769 to convince the inmates to surrender. 1506 01:18:58,692 --> 01:19:01,445 That last night in cell block D... 1507 01:19:03,363 --> 01:19:06,992 as we were trying to negotiate 1508 01:19:07,033 --> 01:19:11,747 demands that we thought were realistic... 1509 01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:19,629 was a come-to-Jesus moment. 1510 01:19:21,256 --> 01:19:24,676 "This is what you wanted... The demands. 1511 01:19:24,718 --> 01:19:26,803 This is what we were able to achieve. 1512 01:19:26,845 --> 01:19:29,848 This is where we stand now. 1513 01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:34,561 I'm not gonna mislead you 1514 01:19:34,603 --> 01:19:37,773 and believe that you can get anything better. 1515 01:19:37,814 --> 01:19:40,609 I do not believe you can get anything better. 1516 01:19:43,195 --> 01:19:46,990 I think we have to make a peaceful accommodation... 1517 01:19:48,909 --> 01:19:50,911 rather than be shot down like dogs." 1518 01:19:53,288 --> 01:19:56,041 I said, "This is what we achieved. 1519 01:19:56,082 --> 01:19:58,251 Okay? 1520 01:19:58,293 --> 01:20:00,545 And turn around and look. 1521 01:20:00,587 --> 01:20:02,672 Cell block... You see all those guns? 1522 01:20:02,714 --> 01:20:04,883 They're just waiting to kill us. 1523 01:20:04,925 --> 01:20:07,552 - They want to kill us. - Do you understand that? 1524 01:20:07,594 --> 01:20:10,847 They want to show that they have the power 1525 01:20:10,889 --> 01:20:12,140 from the barrel of a gun. 1526 01:20:12,182 --> 01:20:13,342 That's what they want to do." 1527 01:20:16,728 --> 01:20:19,523 We were warned by the observers 1528 01:20:19,564 --> 01:20:23,735 that if we didn't settle even without the amnesty, 1529 01:20:23,777 --> 01:20:27,531 they were gonna come in, and it could get very bad. 1530 01:20:29,241 --> 01:20:32,285 And, of course, we talked amongst ourselves, 1531 01:20:32,327 --> 01:20:36,206 and we just couldn't go without the amnesty, 1532 01:20:36,248 --> 01:20:38,375 'cause it would have been literally 1533 01:20:38,416 --> 01:20:41,503 sending all our leaders... 1534 01:20:41,545 --> 01:20:44,965 to the dogs, to be tortured, 1535 01:20:45,006 --> 01:20:48,927 murdered, uh, convicted of crimes, 1536 01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:51,221 and who knows what else? 1537 01:20:51,263 --> 01:20:54,683 We had observed the organization 1538 01:20:54,724 --> 01:20:57,227 and preparation of the troopers to enter, 1539 01:20:57,269 --> 01:21:00,146 hundreds of them, with their shotguns, 1540 01:21:00,188 --> 01:21:04,192 just outside the immediate area of D yard. 1541 01:21:04,234 --> 01:21:07,571 We witnessed the stationing of sharpshooters 1542 01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:12,576 on one of the ledges looking down into D yard. 1543 01:21:12,617 --> 01:21:16,913 Fear overtook the observers committee. 1544 01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:21,209 It seemed like they felt 1545 01:21:21,251 --> 01:21:23,003 something was gonna happen. 1546 01:21:23,044 --> 01:21:25,505 They were more... 1547 01:21:25,547 --> 01:21:27,215 hesitant to leave. 1548 01:21:27,257 --> 01:21:28,592 They leave with a solemn mood. 1549 01:21:28,633 --> 01:21:30,176 They left us with a solemn mood. 1550 01:21:30,218 --> 01:21:33,889 It was like, "Brothers, 1551 01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:36,099 just be careful, just take care." 1552 01:21:38,476 --> 01:21:41,271 I remember seeing them leaving, you know, 1553 01:21:41,313 --> 01:21:44,816 and it was a scary moment to see them leaving, 1554 01:21:44,858 --> 01:21:47,319 you know, knowing that they wasn't coming back. 1555 01:21:50,947 --> 01:21:53,116 I remember Big Black saying, 1556 01:21:53,158 --> 01:21:56,119 "I want to thank you for what you guys tried to do. 1557 01:21:56,161 --> 01:21:57,746 We really appreciate it." 1558 01:21:57,787 --> 01:22:00,457 So there was a lot of that. 1559 01:22:00,498 --> 01:22:03,084 When we went out of that yard that night... 1560 01:22:05,003 --> 01:22:06,963 there were tears. 1561 01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:08,256 There were tears. 1562 01:22:10,592 --> 01:22:13,470 And I think all of us were hoping 1563 01:22:13,511 --> 01:22:17,849 that something happened at the last minute to stop it. 1564 01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:23,563 I felt complete failure. 1565 01:22:23,605 --> 01:22:27,984 A failure that I had let them down. 1566 01:22:28,026 --> 01:22:31,321 One of the most painful things 1567 01:22:31,363 --> 01:22:34,157 is when inmates began to... 1568 01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:36,660 hand me written notes, 1569 01:22:36,701 --> 01:22:39,913 the telephone number of their... 1570 01:22:39,955 --> 01:22:44,376 Of their next of kin, 1571 01:22:44,417 --> 01:22:46,461 in case they didn't make it. 1572 01:22:46,503 --> 01:22:47,504 Okay? 1573 01:22:47,545 --> 01:22:50,465 They wanted me... I mean, 1574 01:22:50,507 --> 01:22:53,468 a couple of them looked me in the eye with tears. 1575 01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:55,971 "Brother Jones, if I don't make it, 1576 01:22:56,012 --> 01:22:57,180 you're gonna call, right?" 1577 01:22:57,222 --> 01:22:59,933 I said, "You have my word. 1578 01:22:59,975 --> 01:23:02,394 I will call." 1579 01:23:02,435 --> 01:23:04,980 Are you any way optimistic 1580 01:23:05,021 --> 01:23:07,190 that this thing can be settled by sometime tomorrow? 1581 01:23:07,232 --> 01:23:08,650 I think I'm much too tired 1582 01:23:08,692 --> 01:23:10,276 to be either optimistic or pessimistic. 1583 01:23:10,318 --> 01:23:13,363 At the moment, I'm kind of just freaked out. 1584 01:23:24,541 --> 01:23:26,501 It rained all night. 1585 01:23:26,543 --> 01:23:28,878 It didn't stop raining till about 1586 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,214 six in the morning. 1587 01:23:31,256 --> 01:23:34,884 Cold, mountain rain. 1588 01:23:34,926 --> 01:23:37,554 And we were not prepared for it. 1589 01:23:37,595 --> 01:23:40,598 Those little hooches that we had, 1590 01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,561 them tents that people had dug the yard up and everything, 1591 01:23:44,602 --> 01:23:46,688 all them started collapsing. 1592 01:23:46,730 --> 01:23:50,859 And you had to get on solid ground, 1593 01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:54,404 concrete, and huddle together, 1594 01:23:54,446 --> 01:23:57,699 'cause everybody was shivering and everything else. 1595 01:23:57,741 --> 01:23:59,284 It was a miserable night. 1596 01:23:59,325 --> 01:24:03,413 One of the miserable-est nights I ever spent in my life. 1597 01:24:05,915 --> 01:24:07,667 I could feel the tension in the air. 1598 01:24:07,709 --> 01:24:09,461 The tension was so strong 1599 01:24:09,502 --> 01:24:13,298 that I could just basically grab it and hold on to it. 1600 01:24:13,339 --> 01:24:16,593 - "- Am I gonna make it? - Am I gonna live through this?" 1601 01:24:16,634 --> 01:24:20,055 And that tension was so strong, I could touch it, 1602 01:24:20,096 --> 01:24:22,265 I could cut and hold it in my hand. 1603 01:24:24,976 --> 01:24:26,936 Death was written in the air. 1604 01:24:31,983 --> 01:24:34,110 We've been out there for about four days. 1605 01:24:34,152 --> 01:24:35,945 We wake up that morning, 1606 01:24:35,987 --> 01:24:39,032 and it's wet and dreary out there. 1607 01:24:39,074 --> 01:24:41,409 And you could always smell 1608 01:24:41,451 --> 01:24:44,412 the fumes of guys' body 1609 01:24:44,454 --> 01:24:46,581 in that trench that we dug in the yard 1610 01:24:46,623 --> 01:24:50,085 to use the bathroom, right there in front of us, 1611 01:24:50,126 --> 01:24:52,587 so you breathing this shit in all day, so you want out. 1612 01:24:56,549 --> 01:24:58,426 The weather was really bad. 1613 01:24:58,468 --> 01:25:01,554 People's moods was that way, and, uh... 1614 01:25:01,596 --> 01:25:03,223 it was cloudy. 1615 01:25:03,264 --> 01:25:05,183 It started to rain a little bit. 1616 01:25:05,225 --> 01:25:07,685 - You know, it was dark. - The sky was dark gray. 1617 01:25:12,315 --> 01:25:13,608 We heard that we would be part 1618 01:25:13,650 --> 01:25:16,486 of a medical evacuation. 1619 01:25:16,528 --> 01:25:19,114 And early on Monday morning, 1620 01:25:19,155 --> 01:25:21,491 we loaded into trucks and headed for Attica prison. 1621 01:25:24,702 --> 01:25:26,722 In the three years that I was in the National Guard, 1622 01:25:26,746 --> 01:25:29,124 I had not seen any kind of action 1623 01:25:29,165 --> 01:25:31,668 in which violence was involved. 1624 01:25:31,709 --> 01:25:34,003 But we had a sense of dread, 1625 01:25:34,045 --> 01:25:37,632 and we had a wish that we could kind of not go. 1626 01:25:37,674 --> 01:25:40,301 And there was the hope, even at the last minute, 1627 01:25:40,343 --> 01:25:43,555 that by some miracle, 1628 01:25:43,596 --> 01:25:45,807 maybe Rockefeller would intervene. 1629 01:25:48,726 --> 01:25:51,521 His refusal to come here is a monstrosity, 1630 01:25:51,563 --> 01:25:53,022 because what he is saying is, 1631 01:25:53,064 --> 01:25:56,192 - "- Kill these men. - I have no concern. 1632 01:25:56,234 --> 01:25:59,571 All I want to do is restore law and order." 1633 01:25:59,612 --> 01:26:02,198 And I think that's a rotten exchange for lives. 1634 01:26:03,867 --> 01:26:05,994 When we got to the prison 1635 01:26:06,035 --> 01:26:08,955 and saw the lines of state troopers 1636 01:26:08,997 --> 01:26:11,833 and deputies with their raincoats on 1637 01:26:11,875 --> 01:26:16,171 and their weapons in hand, they looked exhausted. 1638 01:26:16,212 --> 01:26:17,589 They had been there, many of them, 1639 01:26:17,630 --> 01:26:20,341 for a couple of days, at least, 1640 01:26:20,383 --> 01:26:22,510 and they really didn't look up to the task 1641 01:26:22,552 --> 01:26:23,970 that was given to them. 1642 01:26:31,144 --> 01:26:32,020 I knew they was coming in. 1643 01:26:32,061 --> 01:26:33,688 You could tell. 1644 01:26:33,730 --> 01:26:35,374 You could see them starting to get more people. 1645 01:26:35,398 --> 01:26:36,649 I was in A block corridor. 1646 01:26:38,443 --> 01:26:39,944 All I saw was blue. 1647 01:26:43,823 --> 01:26:46,492 We got another mattress to put up on that table 1648 01:26:46,534 --> 01:26:48,828 'cause we thought they was gonna shoot rubber bullets. 1649 01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:52,707 And that's... that's what the word was. 1650 01:26:55,627 --> 01:26:57,086 I thought there were gonna be 1651 01:26:57,128 --> 01:26:58,463 a real, old-fashioned gang fight, 1652 01:26:58,504 --> 01:26:59,565 if that's what you want to call it. 1653 01:26:59,589 --> 01:27:01,216 You know, them versus us. 1654 01:27:01,257 --> 01:27:03,485 They got those clubs, we got a few bats and stuff in here, 1655 01:27:03,509 --> 01:27:07,096 so we're gonna... best guy win. 1656 01:27:09,933 --> 01:27:12,727 We started making preparations 1657 01:27:12,769 --> 01:27:15,480 and putting Vaseline on every part of our bodies 1658 01:27:15,521 --> 01:27:17,106 that could be exposed to gas 1659 01:27:17,148 --> 01:27:19,776 and get burnt and stuff like that, 1660 01:27:19,817 --> 01:27:22,153 padding ourselves with clothes. 1661 01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:27,760 Some brothers saying, "If they come in here, 1662 01:27:27,784 --> 01:27:29,494 then that's good, because I know my shit." 1663 01:27:32,205 --> 01:27:34,374 It became apparent to me 1664 01:27:34,415 --> 01:27:37,669 that the situation was seriously deteriorating, 1665 01:27:37,710 --> 01:27:40,463 and that the inmates, many of whom are confined 1666 01:27:40,505 --> 01:27:43,007 to this maximum-security facility 1667 01:27:43,049 --> 01:27:46,386 under life and long sentences, 1668 01:27:46,427 --> 01:27:50,765 were not going to participate in reasonable negotiation. 1669 01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:54,894 Tensions within the walls have steadily increased. 1670 01:27:54,936 --> 01:27:57,647 The action now underway 1671 01:27:57,689 --> 01:28:00,900 was initiated with extreme reluctance, 1672 01:28:00,942 --> 01:28:03,069 only after all attempts 1673 01:28:03,111 --> 01:28:07,323 to achieve a peaceful solution failed. 1674 01:28:09,284 --> 01:28:11,536 We were told that our mission was protection 1675 01:28:11,577 --> 01:28:13,162 for the medical battalion. 1676 01:28:13,204 --> 01:28:16,582 During the commander's briefing, we were told that, 1677 01:28:16,624 --> 01:28:20,878 to our knowledge, the inmates had no guns. 1678 01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:24,716 They had spears, they had some knives, 1679 01:28:24,757 --> 01:28:28,386 they had pipes that they were using as clubs, 1680 01:28:28,428 --> 01:28:31,055 but that was the extent of the threat. 1681 01:28:31,097 --> 01:28:32,807 So we knew that going in. 1682 01:28:35,018 --> 01:28:37,353 10:05 a.m., September 13. 1683 01:28:37,395 --> 01:28:40,356 We're on the roof of A block, 1684 01:28:40,398 --> 01:28:43,276 waiting for the assault to begin. 1685 01:28:43,318 --> 01:28:46,779 This is a team of .270 rifle shooters. 1686 01:28:46,821 --> 01:28:48,865 The center of our picture 1687 01:28:48,906 --> 01:28:53,578 is men distributing baseball bats to the other prisoners. 1688 01:28:53,619 --> 01:28:56,622 - We had no guns. - We had no real weapons. 1689 01:28:56,664 --> 01:29:01,210 We had bullshit pieces of stick or a piece of iron 1690 01:29:01,252 --> 01:29:05,631 or a shank that somebody made, rubbing it on the sidewalk. 1691 01:29:05,673 --> 01:29:07,550 It was... it was pathetic. 1692 01:29:08,676 --> 01:29:11,054 Just four days almost to the minute 1693 01:29:11,095 --> 01:29:13,556 after the convict insurrection started. 1694 01:29:13,598 --> 01:29:16,059 State police, reinforced by sheriff's deputies, 1695 01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:17,727 National Guardsmen, 1696 01:29:17,769 --> 01:29:20,355 and correction officers moving in on the prison. 1697 01:29:20,396 --> 01:29:22,732 Time is 1:55 p.m. 1698 01:29:22,774 --> 01:29:25,401 We're on the roof of C block, 1699 01:29:25,443 --> 01:29:28,946 looking at a detail of .270 marksmen, 1700 01:29:28,988 --> 01:29:33,826 with instructions to clear the catwalks upon command. 1701 01:29:33,868 --> 01:29:36,037 They took some of the hostages 1702 01:29:36,079 --> 01:29:38,664 on top of the catwalks, 1703 01:29:38,706 --> 01:29:40,792 which is on top of the hallways, 1704 01:29:40,833 --> 01:29:44,921 and some of the inmates held knives to their neck, 1705 01:29:44,962 --> 01:29:49,634 as an... in an effort to try to stop the assault. 1706 01:29:49,675 --> 01:29:51,594 The hostages are on the catwalks 1707 01:29:51,636 --> 01:29:53,805 with knives at their throats. 1708 01:29:53,846 --> 01:29:57,058 It was all just a show 1709 01:29:57,100 --> 01:29:59,060 to try to get them to say, "Oh, wait a minute! 1710 01:29:59,102 --> 01:30:00,728 That's my cousin, my brother." 1711 01:30:00,770 --> 01:30:03,189 All these guards... 1712 01:30:03,231 --> 01:30:05,274 we were hopeful that if they saw this, 1713 01:30:05,316 --> 01:30:09,153 they would back off and try to renegotiate 1714 01:30:09,195 --> 01:30:11,072 so they could protect their own people. 1715 01:30:13,533 --> 01:30:16,744 The notion of sending in 1716 01:30:16,786 --> 01:30:19,080 correctional officers, 1717 01:30:19,122 --> 01:30:22,125 who didn't love the prisoners to begin with, 1718 01:30:22,166 --> 01:30:24,836 and state police, who were stressed out, 1719 01:30:24,877 --> 01:30:26,629 was a serious miscalculation. 1720 01:30:26,671 --> 01:30:29,006 Somebody should have said, "Wait a second, wait a second. 1721 01:30:29,048 --> 01:30:31,759 These people are on edge. 1722 01:30:31,801 --> 01:30:34,137 There's hostility. 1723 01:30:37,348 --> 01:30:40,393 It's gonna get out of control." 1724 01:30:40,435 --> 01:30:42,728 We know that now. 1725 01:30:42,770 --> 01:30:45,189 Did we know that in real time? 1726 01:30:47,567 --> 01:30:49,652 I guess not. 1727 01:30:52,321 --> 01:30:56,826 I seen this as a glorious fight. 1728 01:30:56,868 --> 01:30:59,787 They would come in with batons and stuff like that, 1729 01:30:59,829 --> 01:31:02,832 and we would be fighting 1730 01:31:02,874 --> 01:31:04,917 the brave battle with baseball bats 1731 01:31:04,959 --> 01:31:06,419 and stuff like that. 1732 01:31:06,461 --> 01:31:08,004 I... 1733 01:31:19,223 --> 01:31:20,433 I just... 1734 01:31:25,813 --> 01:31:27,690 I just never expected... 1735 01:31:29,901 --> 01:31:31,694 the carnage that would actually happen. 1736 01:31:31,736 --> 01:31:33,070 I'm sorry. 1737 01:31:48,461 --> 01:31:50,004 Here come the helicopters. 1738 01:31:50,046 --> 01:31:53,382 They are now heading for the prison. 1739 01:31:55,301 --> 01:31:57,428 One of the large army helicopters 1740 01:31:57,470 --> 01:31:59,096 now going overhead and over the wall, 1741 01:31:59,138 --> 01:32:00,389 into the prison. 1742 01:32:02,266 --> 01:32:05,978 It just gets quiet, and the sky was getting dark. 1743 01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:07,813 And then we heard the helicopters. 1744 01:32:07,855 --> 01:32:10,441 - And I said, "Damn, man. - This is fucking strange." 1745 01:32:14,612 --> 01:32:17,323 The helicopter comes up over the wall, 1746 01:32:17,365 --> 01:32:18,991 and it's hovering over the yard. 1747 01:32:23,204 --> 01:32:26,082 I seen this... I thought it was a monster. 1748 01:32:26,123 --> 01:32:28,668 It was a helicopter, a green helicopter, 1749 01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:30,253 and it was flying low. 1750 01:32:35,091 --> 01:32:37,677 And you see this... 1751 01:32:37,718 --> 01:32:40,721 It's like a sickly green gas 1752 01:32:40,763 --> 01:32:44,600 with sparkly stuff in it, coming down. 1753 01:32:44,642 --> 01:32:46,852 It tightens your chest 1754 01:32:46,894 --> 01:32:48,980 where you can hardly breathe. 1755 01:32:49,021 --> 01:32:52,191 That gas knocked me down. 1756 01:32:52,233 --> 01:32:55,152 I don't know what that was. 1757 01:32:55,194 --> 01:32:57,905 And it had me so weak I could not move. 1758 01:32:57,947 --> 01:33:01,409 Your eyes are just all burning. 1759 01:33:01,450 --> 01:33:03,995 - Your nose is burning. - Your mouth is burning. 1760 01:33:04,036 --> 01:33:05,162 Place your hands 1761 01:33:05,204 --> 01:33:07,331 on top of your head 1762 01:33:07,373 --> 01:33:10,668 and surrender to an officer. 1763 01:33:10,710 --> 01:33:14,046 You will not be harmed. 1764 01:33:14,088 --> 01:33:17,258 Place your hands on top of your head. 1765 01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:18,968 And they got on the microphone. 1766 01:33:19,010 --> 01:33:22,722 "Everybody in D block yard, put your hands in the air, 1767 01:33:22,763 --> 01:33:24,599 and you will not be harmed." 1768 01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,643 "Go to the nearest state police officer, 1769 01:33:27,685 --> 01:33:29,478 and you will not be harmed." 1770 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,648 - "You will not be harmed." - "You will not be harmed." 1771 01:33:32,690 --> 01:33:35,443 "You will not be harmed." But that was bullshit. 1772 01:33:44,368 --> 01:33:46,412 And dudes were standing up doing this 1773 01:33:46,454 --> 01:33:48,914 and getting blown away. 1774 01:33:48,956 --> 01:33:52,293 They blew a dude's head off, and I'm looking at it. 1775 01:33:52,335 --> 01:33:53,753 And it's all of a sudden, 1776 01:33:53,794 --> 01:33:57,673 there was all this popping all around us. 1777 01:33:57,715 --> 01:33:59,842 And all these little pops all around us 1778 01:33:59,884 --> 01:34:01,636 were actually bullets. 1779 01:34:01,677 --> 01:34:04,680 - Surrender. - You will not be harmed. 1780 01:34:04,722 --> 01:34:07,767 And you couldn't really see because the CO2 pepper gas 1781 01:34:07,808 --> 01:34:09,977 had you blind, 1782 01:34:10,019 --> 01:34:13,314 but you can hear the bullets going by your head. 1783 01:34:13,356 --> 01:34:14,857 You will not be harmed. 1784 01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,820 The hostages can't be seen now. 1785 01:34:19,862 --> 01:34:22,657 Surrender peacefully. 1786 01:34:22,698 --> 01:34:24,367 And I'm just trying to stay on the ground, 1787 01:34:24,408 --> 01:34:26,535 as low as possible. 1788 01:34:26,577 --> 01:34:28,996 It was just like they was shooting down in a barrel. 1789 01:34:29,038 --> 01:34:30,557 They just started shooting point blank range, 1790 01:34:30,581 --> 01:34:32,541 blowing guys away. 1791 01:34:32,583 --> 01:34:34,710 I got shot in the arm up there. 1792 01:34:34,752 --> 01:34:36,752 Right through the back of my fucking arm and stuff. 1793 01:34:40,091 --> 01:34:43,302 You will not be harmed. 1794 01:34:43,344 --> 01:34:47,556 I felt something go through my head, at my skull, 1795 01:34:47,598 --> 01:34:50,893 and it was burning, and I knew I was shot. 1796 01:34:50,935 --> 01:34:53,854 I felt something hit my arm, 1797 01:34:53,896 --> 01:34:55,898 and my arm went numb, 1798 01:34:55,940 --> 01:34:58,651 and I realized later I had got shot in the left arm, 1799 01:34:58,693 --> 01:35:00,361 about two inches from my heart. 1800 01:35:00,403 --> 01:35:03,572 And I saw one kid, he had a football helmet on. 1801 01:35:03,614 --> 01:35:05,074 Spanish kid. 1802 01:35:05,116 --> 01:35:07,868 Now, the guards was up on the catwalk, 1803 01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:10,746 and he jumps out with a hammer and throws it up, 1804 01:35:10,788 --> 01:35:13,040 and it hits the catwalk, 1805 01:35:13,082 --> 01:35:14,709 and you could hear the sound... clink... 1806 01:35:14,750 --> 01:35:17,461 And all of them turned, looked at him, 1807 01:35:17,503 --> 01:35:19,505 and all of them turned their guns on him. 1808 01:35:19,547 --> 01:35:22,007 And they just riddled that boy's body. 1809 01:35:22,049 --> 01:35:25,219 I'm assuming he got shot anywhere from 20 to 50 shots, 1810 01:35:25,261 --> 01:35:27,304 'cause his body was just doing like that. 1811 01:35:27,346 --> 01:35:28,848 Like, I never seen no shit like that. 1812 01:35:28,889 --> 01:35:30,766 I seen some nasty shit in the streets. 1813 01:35:30,808 --> 01:35:32,893 I never seen nothing like that. 1814 01:35:32,935 --> 01:35:36,230 You will not be harmed. 1815 01:35:36,272 --> 01:35:38,774 Place your hands on top of your head. 1816 01:35:38,816 --> 01:35:41,068 This was a holiday for the police. 1817 01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:44,113 We ain't got no guns to shoot back. 1818 01:35:44,155 --> 01:35:45,781 You know what it is to shoot somebody 1819 01:35:45,823 --> 01:35:47,366 and they can't shoot back? 1820 01:35:47,408 --> 01:35:49,660 That's... that's a holiday. 1821 01:35:49,702 --> 01:35:51,203 Lord have mercy. 1822 01:35:51,245 --> 01:35:54,123 And all they was saying was, "Save me a nigger." 1823 01:35:55,833 --> 01:35:58,586 That's what they was hollering to each other. 1824 01:35:58,627 --> 01:36:01,630 I was scared. 1825 01:36:01,672 --> 01:36:04,300 I've done bad things, but I never did shit this bad. 1826 01:36:04,341 --> 01:36:06,844 I said, "Now, these guys 1827 01:36:06,886 --> 01:36:09,805 are real fucking cold-blooded killers and shit." 1828 01:36:12,016 --> 01:36:15,728 Until that moment came... 1829 01:36:15,770 --> 01:36:17,938 where the killing really started, 1830 01:36:17,980 --> 01:36:20,274 when I realized that, 1831 01:36:20,316 --> 01:36:22,693 "You're not that fucking bad guy no more, man. 1832 01:36:22,735 --> 01:36:24,004 These motherfuckers is worse than you." 1833 01:36:24,028 --> 01:36:27,239 Every bullet that whizzed by me 1834 01:36:27,281 --> 01:36:31,994 or hit the mud close to me, I winced. 1835 01:36:36,081 --> 01:36:38,667 Then all of a sudden, it just stopped. 1836 01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:40,711 Surrender to an officer. 1837 01:36:42,588 --> 01:36:45,925 You will not be harmed. 1838 01:36:53,474 --> 01:36:57,394 There are people throwing off their smoke gear. 1839 01:36:57,436 --> 01:37:01,190 They ran out screaming, "Niggers, niggers, niggers," 1840 01:37:01,232 --> 01:37:04,985 and two of them pointed their guns at me, 1841 01:37:05,027 --> 01:37:07,780 saying, "Niggers, niggers," and I said, "Don't shoot. 1842 01:37:07,822 --> 01:37:10,699 Don't shoot. Don't shoot," while I'm coughing. 1843 01:37:10,741 --> 01:37:13,202 We've all been gassed. 1844 01:37:13,244 --> 01:37:16,872 - I've been gassed. - It's an awful scene. 1845 01:37:16,914 --> 01:37:21,168 William Kunstler has said 1846 01:37:21,210 --> 01:37:23,712 that people are dying in there, and... 1847 01:37:25,631 --> 01:37:27,132 and I agree with that. 1848 01:37:27,174 --> 01:37:28,902 I think that there are people dying in there. 1849 01:37:28,926 --> 01:37:32,304 The shooting went on forever. 1850 01:37:32,346 --> 01:37:35,850 And then it was like the shooting subsided, 1851 01:37:35,891 --> 01:37:38,435 and then I heard some... 1852 01:37:38,477 --> 01:37:40,980 After the big shooting subsided, 1853 01:37:41,021 --> 01:37:43,399 I heard some single shots. 1854 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:47,570 Bang! And bang! 1855 01:37:55,744 --> 01:37:58,330 After they took over the prison, 1856 01:37:58,372 --> 01:38:02,167 all those folks that had been speaking to the cameras 1857 01:38:02,209 --> 01:38:05,796 were all targeted and tortured. 1858 01:38:05,838 --> 01:38:08,883 So, yes, yes, yes, yes, they were targeted. 1859 01:38:11,302 --> 01:38:16,181 L.D. Barkley, they were calling his name, 1860 01:38:16,223 --> 01:38:19,184 going through that fog, looking for him, 1861 01:38:19,226 --> 01:38:20,978 and threatening him 1862 01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:23,689 with what they were gonna do to him 1863 01:38:23,731 --> 01:38:25,357 when they found him. 1864 01:38:25,399 --> 01:38:26,942 And they found him. 1865 01:38:26,984 --> 01:38:31,155 And he was yelling, "No, no," 1866 01:38:31,196 --> 01:38:33,198 but it's too fucking late; they had him then. 1867 01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,743 I seen them dragging him towards the A block 1868 01:38:35,784 --> 01:38:38,454 far yard over there. 1869 01:38:38,495 --> 01:38:40,414 He was hollering and screaming. 1870 01:38:40,456 --> 01:38:41,707 And they killed him. 1871 01:38:53,010 --> 01:38:56,513 You can't see it, because the gas is so thick. 1872 01:38:56,555 --> 01:38:57,973 But all of a sudden, 1873 01:38:58,015 --> 01:39:00,476 a puff of wind comes 1874 01:39:00,517 --> 01:39:03,270 and disperses the gas, 1875 01:39:03,312 --> 01:39:05,648 and then I could see. 1876 01:39:05,689 --> 01:39:07,274 And what I saw was frightening. 1877 01:39:09,485 --> 01:39:13,614 Hundreds of bodies just laying there. 1878 01:39:13,656 --> 01:39:16,241 - Some were moaning. - Some wasn't moving. 1879 01:39:16,283 --> 01:39:17,952 Blood was everywhere. 1880 01:39:23,791 --> 01:39:26,085 We were given stretchers 1881 01:39:26,126 --> 01:39:29,296 and told to go into the prison. 1882 01:39:29,338 --> 01:39:31,465 It was really an unthinkable scene. 1883 01:39:31,507 --> 01:39:33,801 It was dead and wounded, 1884 01:39:33,842 --> 01:39:35,678 and simply starting to carry them out. 1885 01:39:37,721 --> 01:39:41,225 It was far beyond anything I had imagined 1886 01:39:41,266 --> 01:39:44,269 when they said we would be doing medical evacuation. 1887 01:39:44,311 --> 01:39:48,899 We were basically civilians put into a situation 1888 01:39:48,941 --> 01:39:51,235 where state trooper and correction officers 1889 01:39:51,276 --> 01:39:53,112 had created a war zone. 1890 01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:59,284 There was a pile of bodies, maybe eight or ten people, 1891 01:39:59,326 --> 01:40:02,579 and the man on top had had his eyes shot out. 1892 01:40:25,060 --> 01:40:27,646 Right below us, there was a huge pool 1893 01:40:27,688 --> 01:40:31,859 of rainwater, and it was blood red. 1894 01:40:31,900 --> 01:40:36,655 And I looked down at it, and I said, 1895 01:40:36,697 --> 01:40:38,907 "Those are false teeth down there, aren't there?" 1896 01:40:38,949 --> 01:40:40,576 And somebody said, "Yeah." 1897 01:40:44,663 --> 01:40:46,707 The attitude of the people 1898 01:40:46,749 --> 01:40:49,543 who should have been concerned 1899 01:40:49,585 --> 01:40:51,420 about what had happened 1900 01:40:51,462 --> 01:40:56,216 was simply that they were pleased with what had happened, 1901 01:40:56,258 --> 01:40:59,928 and had no qualms or second thoughts 1902 01:40:59,970 --> 01:41:01,597 or anything but satisfaction. 1903 01:41:03,265 --> 01:41:05,893 Walker wants to go back. 1904 01:41:11,732 --> 01:41:13,942 - White power! - White power! 1905 01:41:13,984 --> 01:41:16,737 - Hey! - White power! 1906 01:41:21,950 --> 01:41:24,286 They had control, 1907 01:41:24,328 --> 01:41:26,121 and once they had control, 1908 01:41:26,163 --> 01:41:29,625 you would think that things would have stopped. 1909 01:41:29,666 --> 01:41:31,126 They didn't. 1910 01:41:34,505 --> 01:41:35,964 It was clear that, 1911 01:41:36,006 --> 01:41:37,966 at that point, it was all about revenge. 1912 01:41:38,008 --> 01:41:40,010 It was all about reestablishing 1913 01:41:40,052 --> 01:41:41,595 who was in charge 1914 01:41:41,637 --> 01:41:43,597 in the most violent ways possible. 1915 01:41:52,523 --> 01:41:54,942 Everybody had to crawl through shit. 1916 01:41:54,983 --> 01:41:56,652 Human waste. 1917 01:42:00,531 --> 01:42:02,825 But what do you do? 1918 01:42:02,866 --> 01:42:05,953 Do you live to tell your story, like I'm doing today, 1919 01:42:05,994 --> 01:42:08,497 or do you fucking die? 1920 01:42:08,539 --> 01:42:10,165 - I made a choice. - I wanted to live. 1921 01:42:14,670 --> 01:42:18,882 - "- Crawl, nigger, crawl. - Crawl. Like a dog." 1922 01:42:23,303 --> 01:42:24,847 "If you look up, nigger, 1923 01:42:24,888 --> 01:42:27,015 I'll blow your motherfucking brains out." 1924 01:42:28,642 --> 01:42:32,020 What the fuck they care about calling you a nigger? 1925 01:42:32,062 --> 01:42:35,357 That was your name that day. 1926 01:42:35,399 --> 01:42:38,193 They had us marching around the yard with our... 1927 01:42:38,235 --> 01:42:41,822 With our hands interlocked like this, on top of our heads. 1928 01:42:41,864 --> 01:42:43,574 Abject surrender. 1929 01:42:56,461 --> 01:42:59,131 When I saw these naked bodies 1930 01:42:59,173 --> 01:43:02,426 lined up, snaked around the area, 1931 01:43:02,467 --> 01:43:07,139 it reminded me of portrayals of African Americans 1932 01:43:07,181 --> 01:43:09,683 being herded onto slave ships. 1933 01:43:09,725 --> 01:43:11,351 It was just horrendous. 1934 01:43:11,393 --> 01:43:13,395 It was just horrible, horrible. 1935 01:43:23,780 --> 01:43:25,240 And we're naked 1936 01:43:25,282 --> 01:43:27,409 in the middle of the fucking yard, 1937 01:43:27,451 --> 01:43:30,412 guards going around with, like, baby bats. 1938 01:43:30,454 --> 01:43:32,414 They was shoving them up guys' asses. 1939 01:43:32,456 --> 01:43:33,832 I'm laying here, 1940 01:43:33,874 --> 01:43:35,918 and I'm hoping they don't come my way. 1941 01:43:49,389 --> 01:43:52,517 Frank Smith, Big Black, was put on a table 1942 01:43:52,559 --> 01:43:54,728 with a football under his throat. 1943 01:43:59,024 --> 01:44:00,734 People stood up above him 1944 01:44:00,776 --> 01:44:03,237 on the catwalk, aiming their guns down at him, 1945 01:44:03,278 --> 01:44:06,949 throwing cigars and cigarette butts on him, 1946 01:44:06,990 --> 01:44:08,367 and they said, 1947 01:44:08,408 --> 01:44:10,118 "If that football falls, nigger, 1948 01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:11,745 we're gonna shoot you." 1949 01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,417 He was told to get to his feet. 1950 01:44:17,459 --> 01:44:20,295 - He tried. He stumbled. - He fell. 1951 01:44:20,337 --> 01:44:22,464 He was hit with clubs 1952 01:44:22,506 --> 01:44:26,051 on his back, between his legs. 1953 01:44:26,093 --> 01:44:29,638 And he was crying out, you know, 1954 01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:31,974 - "- Don't do this. - Don't do this." 1955 01:44:32,015 --> 01:44:34,142 And then you could hear him screaming 1956 01:44:34,184 --> 01:44:37,187 as he went up through the prison. 1957 01:44:42,359 --> 01:44:45,612 It felt good that I had survived this shit. 1958 01:44:45,654 --> 01:44:48,657 And now, I gotta look out, 1959 01:44:48,699 --> 01:44:51,076 because some more shit is coming. 1960 01:44:57,291 --> 01:44:59,793 The inmates were entering these corridors 1961 01:44:59,835 --> 01:45:04,506 off of the yard, and the guards were, 1962 01:45:04,548 --> 01:45:07,843 like, five or six feet apart, with their clubs. 1963 01:45:07,884 --> 01:45:11,096 And they would hit them against the walls. 1964 01:45:11,138 --> 01:45:14,933 And there was just this dull drum-like sound. 1965 01:45:14,975 --> 01:45:16,685 And then they were hitting the inmates 1966 01:45:16,727 --> 01:45:18,812 as they ran a gauntlet. 1967 01:45:23,108 --> 01:45:25,736 We could hear the screams coming out, 1968 01:45:25,777 --> 01:45:29,281 so that we knew that they were being tortured, 1969 01:45:29,323 --> 01:45:33,785 and that we were somehow part of this unthinkable scene, 1970 01:45:33,827 --> 01:45:35,704 that there was no escaping from, 1971 01:45:35,746 --> 01:45:37,539 but was completely wrong. 1972 01:45:41,251 --> 01:45:43,170 They had guards on both sides, 1973 01:45:43,211 --> 01:45:45,714 and they would be hitting you as you were running through, 1974 01:45:45,756 --> 01:45:48,300 beating you with hoses and batons 1975 01:45:48,342 --> 01:45:50,093 and whatever they had in their hands. 1976 01:45:50,135 --> 01:45:52,012 I'm ducking, trying to get through, 1977 01:45:52,054 --> 01:45:53,597 protecting my head. 1978 01:45:53,638 --> 01:45:55,432 My shoulders got hit, all on my arms, 1979 01:45:55,474 --> 01:45:58,018 - my elbows, my knees. - They still hurt. 1980 01:45:58,060 --> 01:46:01,188 Beating you after making you run through the gauntlet, 1981 01:46:01,229 --> 01:46:03,166 where they took all the glass out the fucking windows 1982 01:46:03,190 --> 01:46:04,816 and put it in the middle of the floor, 1983 01:46:04,858 --> 01:46:06,461 so you had to run through glass with bare feet. 1984 01:46:06,485 --> 01:46:08,945 Nobody came out of that yard 1985 01:46:08,987 --> 01:46:11,740 with... with... picking... 1986 01:46:11,782 --> 01:46:14,409 Without having to pick glass out of your feet for weeks. 1987 01:46:16,078 --> 01:46:19,581 - Couldn't walk. - Nobody can walk anymore. 1988 01:46:19,623 --> 01:46:22,125 But we had to run, because if you didn't run, 1989 01:46:22,167 --> 01:46:24,419 they just kept beating you with these clubs. 1990 01:46:34,054 --> 01:46:35,764 The families of the hostages, 1991 01:46:35,806 --> 01:46:39,601 a lot of them waited just outside the prison wall. 1992 01:46:39,643 --> 01:46:43,105 They're gonna get him out.- 1993 01:46:43,146 --> 01:46:45,941 Then news began to filter out of Attica. 1994 01:46:45,982 --> 01:46:49,194 Names of freed hostages were called out to the loved ones. 1995 01:46:49,236 --> 01:46:50,612 Bob Curtis! Lieutenant Curtis. 1996 01:46:50,654 --> 01:46:52,072 Curtis! 1997 01:46:52,114 --> 01:46:55,367 Al Robbin. Al Robbin. 1998 01:46:57,953 --> 01:47:00,038 Some didn't see their men come out. 1999 01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:01,873 All they learned was the name of the hospital 2000 01:47:01,915 --> 01:47:03,875 where the survivors were being treated. 2001 01:47:03,917 --> 01:47:07,003 - There was no time to wait. - They ran off to see their men. 2002 01:47:10,590 --> 01:47:13,135 Some people couldn't seem to run fast enough. 2003 01:47:17,389 --> 01:47:18,348 My mom came home, 2004 01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:19,891 and she was with her sister, 2005 01:47:19,933 --> 01:47:22,185 and my mom was crying, obviously upset. 2006 01:47:25,397 --> 01:47:27,441 I was outside, sitting on the front porch, 2007 01:47:27,482 --> 01:47:30,735 - you know, praying and worrying. - And "where's Dad?" 2008 01:47:30,777 --> 01:47:32,696 I expected him to show up, you know. 2009 01:47:32,737 --> 01:47:35,282 And, um, I kept, 2010 01:47:35,323 --> 01:47:37,993 "Mom, Mom, where's Dad? 2011 01:47:38,034 --> 01:47:40,245 - What's... why are you crying? - What's going on?" 2012 01:47:40,287 --> 01:47:44,166 When my mother came back in the house, and, you know, 2013 01:47:44,207 --> 01:47:46,710 she said... Now she had to fight with me... 2014 01:47:46,751 --> 01:47:49,004 Argue, I mean, you know, 2015 01:47:49,045 --> 01:47:50,547 because I didn't want to believe it. 2016 01:47:50,589 --> 01:47:52,757 And she finally said, 2017 01:47:52,799 --> 01:47:57,262 "I saw him. I saw him!" 2018 01:48:01,183 --> 01:48:02,601 Finally, she blurted it out. 2019 01:48:02,642 --> 01:48:05,395 "Your father's dead." 2020 01:48:05,437 --> 01:48:07,105 So I ran. 2021 01:48:10,609 --> 01:48:13,612 I ran for a while, and I came back, 2022 01:48:13,653 --> 01:48:15,155 and I was sitting on the front porch, 2023 01:48:15,197 --> 01:48:18,241 trying to be strong and not cry, 2024 01:48:18,283 --> 01:48:21,161 and I could hear everybody in the house crying. 2025 01:48:21,203 --> 01:48:24,039 And I was trying to be so tough, and... 2026 01:48:31,922 --> 01:48:34,716 - I'm sorry. - God damn it. 2027 01:48:49,940 --> 01:48:51,316 The National Guardsmen were told 2028 01:48:51,358 --> 01:48:53,610 to get back in their trucks, 2029 01:48:53,652 --> 01:48:56,947 and we did that and were taken out to the parking area. 2030 01:48:56,988 --> 01:48:59,699 And a colonel then addressed the battalion, 2031 01:48:59,741 --> 01:49:02,244 maybe several hundred men. 2032 01:49:02,285 --> 01:49:04,329 And he said, essentially, 2033 01:49:04,371 --> 01:49:09,125 "You saw things that were excessive and wrong today, 2034 01:49:09,167 --> 01:49:12,921 and I have to ask you not to speak of this to anyone, 2035 01:49:12,963 --> 01:49:15,257 because the world will not understand 2036 01:49:15,298 --> 01:49:17,092 what happened here today." 2037 01:49:19,511 --> 01:49:21,096 The most violent rebellion 2038 01:49:21,137 --> 01:49:22,556 in modern American penal history 2039 01:49:22,597 --> 01:49:24,391 came to an end today 2040 01:49:24,432 --> 01:49:26,643 at the maximum-security prison in Attica, New York. 2041 01:49:26,685 --> 01:49:27,912 In the final hours of the revolt, 2042 01:49:27,936 --> 01:49:29,771 led primarily by Blacks, 2043 01:49:29,813 --> 01:49:32,649 the inmates murdered nine of their white hostages. 2044 01:49:32,691 --> 01:49:34,734 28 convicts were killed by state troopers 2045 01:49:34,776 --> 01:49:36,027 and sheriff's deputies, 2046 01:49:36,069 --> 01:49:38,238 who regained control of the prison. 2047 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:40,160 The storming of the prison had the full approval 2048 01:49:40,198 --> 01:49:41,866 of New York's Governor Rockefeller, 2049 01:49:41,908 --> 01:49:43,994 who earlier had rejected a prisoner demand 2050 01:49:44,035 --> 01:49:45,829 for complete clemency. 2051 01:49:45,870 --> 01:49:48,832 The White House said that, after the prison was retaken, 2052 01:49:48,873 --> 01:49:50,834 President Nixon telephoned the governor 2053 01:49:50,875 --> 01:49:53,712 to express his approval of Rockefeller's action. 2054 01:50:46,514 --> 01:50:48,808 Yesterday, officials at the prison 2055 01:50:48,850 --> 01:50:52,187 said eight of the hostages had had their throats cut. 2056 01:50:52,228 --> 01:50:54,731 But today, the Monroe County medical examiner, 2057 01:50:54,773 --> 01:50:56,691 having looked at the bodies, 2058 01:50:56,733 --> 01:50:59,110 said no throats were cut at all. 2059 01:50:59,152 --> 01:51:01,154 The Medical Examiner says the hostages 2060 01:51:01,196 --> 01:51:04,491 were apparently killed by large-caliber ammunition 2061 01:51:04,532 --> 01:51:07,327 and shotgun blasts, from a distance, 2062 01:51:07,369 --> 01:51:09,537 which immediately raised the possibility 2063 01:51:09,579 --> 01:51:12,707 that some of the hostages may, in fact, have been shot down 2064 01:51:12,749 --> 01:51:16,002 by the lawmen who broke in to rescue them. 2065 01:51:16,044 --> 01:51:19,381 Some of the hostages were actually shot 2066 01:51:19,422 --> 01:51:21,716 running towards the state troopers, 2067 01:51:21,758 --> 01:51:24,552 thinking, "I'm saved. I'm saved." 2068 01:51:25,261 --> 01:51:28,765 And the hostages were dressed the same way the inmates were. 2069 01:51:30,767 --> 01:51:33,144 Anything that had inmate garb on it, 2070 01:51:33,186 --> 01:51:35,480 they just started shooting at you. 2071 01:51:38,108 --> 01:51:40,694 What Rockefeller had done 2072 01:51:40,735 --> 01:51:45,657 was treat the hostages 2073 01:51:45,699 --> 01:51:50,745 as no more real, live human beings 2074 01:51:50,787 --> 01:51:54,874 who deserved to be respected than the prisoners. 2075 01:51:54,916 --> 01:51:59,379 And so you kill them all, and you restore order, 2076 01:51:59,421 --> 01:52:04,342 and you make me into a major figure 2077 01:52:04,384 --> 01:52:07,137 who believes in law and order 2078 01:52:07,178 --> 01:52:10,181 at a time when that concept 2079 01:52:10,223 --> 01:52:14,269 is beginning to really take hold. 2080 01:52:37,167 --> 01:52:40,628 It should have ended in a negotiated settlement. 2081 01:52:40,670 --> 01:52:42,130 No, they weren't interested in that. 2082 01:52:42,172 --> 01:52:44,257 They were interesting in showing 2083 01:52:44,299 --> 01:52:46,009 the naked fist of power. 2084 01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:49,220 Law and order. 2085 01:52:49,262 --> 01:52:50,489 The national mindset of the nation 2086 01:52:50,513 --> 01:52:53,057 was law and order. 2087 01:52:53,099 --> 01:52:57,061 And law and order does not permit 2088 01:52:57,103 --> 01:53:00,440 any challenge 2089 01:53:00,482 --> 01:53:02,984 to its authority whatsoever. 2090 01:53:03,026 --> 01:53:05,111 God willing, a few more months, in January, 2091 01:53:05,153 --> 01:53:07,655 I'll be 90 years old. 2092 01:53:07,697 --> 01:53:10,658 I will never, ever, ever, ever, 2093 01:53:10,700 --> 01:53:15,580 ever, ever, ever forget Attica. 2094 01:53:15,622 --> 01:53:19,417 Ever. 2095 01:53:19,459 --> 01:53:23,963 It didn't have to be that way. 2096 01:54:06,422 --> 01:54:09,342 All eight cases 2097 01:54:09,384 --> 01:54:13,429 died of gunshot wounds. 2098 01:54:13,471 --> 01:54:16,349 There was no evidence of slashed throats. 2099 01:54:38,538 --> 01:54:40,498 I've never received an apology. 2100 01:54:41,833 --> 01:54:43,501 I've never received an apology, 2101 01:54:43,543 --> 01:54:44,983 and for me, that's a pretty big deal. 2102 01:54:46,963 --> 01:54:50,758 So come 2103 01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:53,553 To me 2104 01:54:53,595 --> 01:54:57,181 What does money do when you don't have your dad, 2105 01:54:57,223 --> 01:54:59,601 or your brother, or your uncle? 2106 01:55:02,770 --> 01:55:05,857 How does that replace anything? 2107 01:55:05,899 --> 01:55:09,819 And I think it was the state's way of saying, 2108 01:55:09,861 --> 01:55:11,321 "We're gonna give you this money, 2109 01:55:11,362 --> 01:55:13,156 and we want you to go away." 2110 01:55:13,197 --> 01:55:18,077 Beyond the blue 2111 01:55:18,119 --> 01:55:21,831 Then my 2112 01:55:21,873 --> 01:55:25,919 True love 2113 01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:30,924 Will come shining through 2114 01:55:30,965 --> 01:55:32,592 For nearly 30 years, 2115 01:55:32,634 --> 01:55:35,553 former Attica inmates have waited for justice. 2116 01:55:35,595 --> 01:55:37,305 Today, it finally came 2117 01:55:37,347 --> 01:55:40,558 in the form of a $12 million settlement. 2118 01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,353 - And be - And be 2119 01:55:43,394 --> 01:55:45,980 My love 2120 01:55:46,022 --> 01:55:48,900 There was never justice. 2121 01:55:48,942 --> 01:55:50,902 All we got was money. 2122 01:55:50,944 --> 01:55:53,446 And money wasn't enough. 2123 01:55:53,488 --> 01:55:55,031 Then you can't justify all the killings 2124 01:55:55,073 --> 01:55:56,658 that happened in Attica. 2125 01:55:56,699 --> 01:55:58,451 You can't justify it. 2126 01:55:58,493 --> 01:56:01,079 - And so there's no justice. - There was never justice. 2127 01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:04,165 The sun 2128 01:56:04,207 --> 01:56:08,169 Will shine 2129 01:56:08,211 --> 01:56:12,006 Beyond 2130 01:56:12,048 --> 01:56:15,760 The blue 2131 01:56:15,802 --> 01:56:19,472 Then my 2132 01:56:19,514 --> 01:56:23,309 True love 2133 01:56:23,351 --> 01:56:28,189 Will come shining through 2134 01:56:30,566 --> 01:56:35,071 - So come - So come to me 2135 01:56:35,113 --> 01:56:37,532 On bended knee 2136 01:56:37,573 --> 01:56:41,077 - And be - And be 2137 01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:44,872 My love 2138 01:56:44,914 --> 01:56:49,293 - For as long - For just as long, baby 2139 01:56:49,335 --> 01:56:52,714 As you are mine 2140 01:56:52,755 --> 01:56:55,133 I know the sun 2141 01:56:55,174 --> 01:56:58,469 Will shine 171409

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