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The early 1980s.
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12 million people
are unemployed in our country,
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1.3 million of them in California,
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more than 150,000 fight here
in the Bay Area,
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like this self-styled Reaganville
near the railroad tracks in Berkeley.
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Those are the conditions
for tough times and real struggle.
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I regret to say...
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that we're in the worst economic mess
since the Great Depression.
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The San Francisco Bay Area,
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located on the Western edge
of the continental United States,
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has a long history of supporting
new music and free expression,
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from jazz experimentation,
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in beat poetry, to rock and roll.
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By 1980,
with the American economy in recession,
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a new group of teenagers came of age,
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and they wanted a new music.
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Something faster, something heavier,
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something that mirrored their own lives
and not the previous generations.
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From far away Europe, heavy metal sounds
were slowly rippling westward,
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carried by word of mouth,
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a few rare, imported records,
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some bootleg cassette tapes,
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and music magazines.
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But California was too far away
for most of these bands to tour here.
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So the young music fans
of the Bay Area did what we do best.
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We didn't wait for the music we wanted.
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We created our own.
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Are we rolling?
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Right, I just want to say one thing first:
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Posers must die!
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We were out of our minds.
We were kind of crazy.
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We were just kids.
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Kids run amok.
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It was scary, and it was dark.
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It's this outlet for angst.
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I'm Alex Skolnick,
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born and raised in Berkeley, California.
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Hey, I'm James Hetfield from Metallica.
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This is the music you don't want
your parents to hear.
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Gary Holt.
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David Ellefson, bassist for Megadeth.
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I don't need to say my name.
Everybody watching this knows who I am.
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We were doing it for chicks and beer,
and I didn't drink.
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My name's Chuck Billy.
I grew up in Dublin, California.
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And the pits were violent as hell.
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Mark Osegueda
from the San Francisco Bay Area.
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Phil Demmel from Dublin, California.
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The volume, the craziness, was epic.
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Wow, we've got to do more of this.
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Robb Flynn, Oakland, California.
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My name's Rick Hunolt.
I played guitar for Exodus.
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People have passion for the metal.
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There's no distinction between
the bands and the fans.
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We called it The Land Of Misfit Toys.
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People in our scene, we felt invincible.
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It was about survival. It was like... Aah!
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Exodus had
the destruction recipe.
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If Exodus was playing, we were there.
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That's Paul Baloff.
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Kirk came up with a name,
and we were just like-- wow.
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What was the question again?
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My name is Lars Ulrich,
and I'm from Denmark.
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- Tom Araya.
- Fucking Slayer.
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Singer and bass player for Slayer.
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I got goosebumps talking
about it right now, man.
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My name is Paul Bostaph.
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Larry Lalonde, El Sereno, California.
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Charlie Benante,
and I'm from the Bronx, New York.
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Dave Lombardo, South East, L.A.
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There was an aura
of watching history happen.
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East Bay guys. They played before us,
and that was kind of a mistake.
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I am Robert Trujillo.
I'm from Santa Monica, California.
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There goes that guy
who was in Metallica. What's he up to?
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It wasn't as exciting as
you thought it would be, was it?
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♪ Murder in the front row ♪
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♪ Bang your head against the stage I
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♪ And metal takes its price ♪
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♪ Bonded by blood ♪
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We were far away
from the city. We were isolated.
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There was nothing to do.
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All we had was music, you know?
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It was a pilgrimage, you know.
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We would mow a few lawns,
save a few bucks,
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take the Alameda across the county--
bus transit-
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to the BART station,
take BART in Berkeley,
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and walk up to Telegraph.
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It's the-- Uh--
W-we went to all the hard rock stuff,
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you know, Aerosmith, Deep Purple,
Black Sabbath,
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Led Zeppelin, Thin Lizzy.
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Anything and everything that was around
that had an edge,
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that was loud and energetic,
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I just went to.
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Kirk was the first guy
to ever play me, like,
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Uli Roth-era Scorpions,
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and that was the first day
we ever hung out.
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And that was when we metal his house
in go see Ted Nugent and the Scorpions.
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But there was other stuff coming out
of England and Germany
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that nobody was really was partial to
on a large scale,
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other than the kids that I knew.
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The kids of my age, uh,
were listening to disco.
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They were listening in pop,
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and I just wasn't really
interested in that.
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We all went to the same record stores.
There was very few.
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There was something
that I just wasn't getting enough of
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until I heard this one band called UFO.
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And they had the heaviness.
They had the intensity.
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They had the energy.
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They had the musicianship.
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They had a guitar player
that was sent from heaven
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named Michael Schenker.
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Me and John Marshall
became obsessed with UFO.
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I was hanging out up in Berkeley
in April or May of 1980,
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and I was walking along
Telegraph Avenue.
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You'd see him down
on Telegraph and Berkeley all the time.
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As I was walking,
I heard a Motorhead song.
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You could hear him coming
from a block or two away, you know?
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A total character.
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There was this
crazy skinny, tall dude.
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Denim vest on, long hair,
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big Thin Lizzy Chinatown patch
on his back,
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and he was playing Motorhead
on his boombox.
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You know, up--up on his shoulder.
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This is back in the day when you'd carry
a big boombox
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that needed, like, D cells,
like, ten of them.
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He had this boombox about this big
on his shoulder, and he would just be--
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Blasting Motorhead,
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and that was Rich Burch.
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This shit was so loud
it was like a Memorex commercial.
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Whoa, who's that guy?
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That seems like somebody we should know.
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Very quickly I got invited
to hang out with some of his crew
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and ended up in a place
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in the Golden Gate Park
called Strawberry Hill,
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where I met Ron Quintana,
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Ian Kellen.
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It was the beginning of getting to know
that crew of people that were all
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the Iron Maiden/Motorhead/Saxon/
Diamond Head/Merciful Fate fanatics.
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By 1980, music sucked.
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Being a kid in San Francisco,
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radio was going downhill disco.
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And so, radio stations were really bad.
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And luckily there was KUSF,
which could play harder punk stuff.
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So that's where you'd first hear UFO
maybe once in a while.
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And at high school I ran into a friend,
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and he said, "You've got to go to
this store called the Record Vault.
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It's amazing."
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I got on the bus.
I headed up, walked in,
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and it was like walking into Mecca.
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It was dark. It was cool.
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There was Motorhead playing,
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and all over the walls
was everything that I was into.
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We'd find all this great,
imported metal, you know?
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Budgie, and Venom, and Diamond Head,
and Sweet Savage demos.
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All this stuff that we really loved
that you weren't going to find at,
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like, you know, Tower Records.
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Back then you'd be hanging out
in the record store [or two, three hours.
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You only have $20 bucks in your pocket,
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so you were trying to figure out
which two records to buy.
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You know, it took a while.
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It was the place everybody came
to find out things.
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It was the place everybody came
to buy their new release,
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to get their copy of
Metal Mania, Ardschok, Kerrang!, whatever.
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And it was awesome.
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It was an amazing experience
just to go there
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and-and see all these like minded people
that were there, too,
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shopping for the same stuff,
and they're all wearing vests,
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and back patches, and into metal
and into all this underground stuff.
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The record stores would have
the albums set up on the wall
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and on a little shelf,
so you could see the cover,
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and there was the first
Iron Maiden album cover with Eddie on it.
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You know, it was, like-
Oh, shit, look at that!
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Down in Southern California,
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my place was called Middle Earth-
Middle Earth Records.
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And, you know, you'd have to go in
and order the record.
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There was such an anticipation
around getting it.
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All the different bands, you know,
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all these different,
unique sounds and styles,
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and we were just-
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we just dove head first into it.
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I gravitated towards these metal bands
because they were an escape.
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You listen to an Iron Maiden song,
and they're talking about
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a fantasy, that was no different,
in my head, to a Stephen King novel.
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Yes, there were murders.
Yes, there were Satanic things.
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It was fantasy.
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It didn't make me want to go out
and slaughter babies or anything.
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It was an escape
from my suburban, teenage life.
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This is a-- just a drawing of Eddie.
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I was a huge Iron Maiden fan,
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and obviously I should've been paying
more attention in geometry.
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I got a 27 out of 52.
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The compact cassette tape
came of age in the 1970s.
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Inexpensive and easy to record,
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tape-traders quickly adopted it
as a means of spreading the newest sounds.
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In the pages of Kerrang!,
they would have pen pal ads.
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Kerrang! Would run them [or free.
That's what started everything.
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That's how I found out about
Brian Lew and KJ Doughton.
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KJ had a ton of Maiden,
and so did Brian.
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So that was cool.
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That was another big staple
of the movement.
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Everyone had their demo and bootleg list,
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and they'd ask [or the other person's list
and trade tapes.
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Back then it was snail mail, and tapes,
and stamps, and handwritten letters.
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All of a sudden I was getting letters
from people in Germany, Holland, France,
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England, New York, Chicago.
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It just opened up this whole worldview.
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I had been now trading
with so many people, getting tapes
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and fanzines from England, mainly.
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This list kept growing from two,
three, four, five, six pages.
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And then I realized--
Well, I want to do a fanzine,
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and I started in add pictures in July.
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And it became Metal Mania
by August of 1981.
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When I first met Ron,
he made me a compilation tape.
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I mean, it was the thing to do.
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It was part of the conversation back then
in the early '80s.
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The thing that maybe has become
the misconception over the years about
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the tape-trading network is
we weren't dubbing albums.
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We were dubbing live bootlegs.
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You know, at that time
part of being a music fan
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is you wanted to own the record.
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You wanted to own
the seven-inch single,
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because it made you feel part
of something bigger.
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In high school,
they had a guitar class,
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and it was literally 30 people
learning how to play guitar.
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And in that class was Mark Biederman,
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who was eventually
in Blind Illusion, and Kirk.
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Before Gary was in the band, you know,
when it was just Kirk and them, uh...
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they would-- they sometimes rehearsed
at our rehearsal space, you know?
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And Kirk and I
were in Mr. Bee's class together,
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the guitar class.
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We were kind of just-- mostly just, like,
learning our instruments.
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And, you know, Kirk turned me
on to so many different kinds of music.
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Like, I had never heard
UFO or the Scorpions.
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All we had was music, you know?
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And then when we got into the music,
all we had were each other.
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And you know, we wanted to take it
to the next level, so we got instruments.
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And I think that
the anger of being in a place
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that just didn't have enough
in offer, you know,
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the frustration of being bored.
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I think a lot of that got channeled
into our instruments.
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♪ I'm gonna be a rock n roll star ♪
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♪ I got a girl from that day ♪
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In Los Angeles,
a new heavy metal was beginning to rise.
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In December of 1980,
a friend of mine and I--
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Who were the only two people, by the way,
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at the time who knew anything about
the New Wave of British Heavy Metal,
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went to see Michael Schenker Group
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play at a place called
the Country Club in Reseda.
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After the show, my Mend John
was in the parking lot,
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and he saw some kid
wearing a Saxon European T-shirt.
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Now, in 1980 nobody knew
who Saxon was in L.A.,
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let alone had a European T-shirt.
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And that of course
was a kid named Lars Ulrich.
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Fast-forward to when
James and I had the band.
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One thing led in another,
and we started playing in L.A.
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A year-and-a-half or so later,
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we got the idea to do a compilation album.
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Lars called me up one day and said,
"II I put together a band,
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can I be on your album?"
I'm like, of course. Absolutely.
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So Lars and me are always talking
about doing a magazine.
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"We need a store, man.
Let's just start a club and hang out"
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And Lars, in his way,
you know, he was, like,
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"Oh, that's cool.
That's a good idea, man."
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He showed me a list
of his future band or club names.
264
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So he had, like, generic, hot-rod-y
American car names:
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Thunderbolt,
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Metal Mania, Metallica.
He had a huge list of names.
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That ended up being some band
that sleds with an"".
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I think it was Metallica,
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that we misspelled on the very first
version of the record.
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Lars always was able
in make things happen.
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Somehow he landed them
a gig opening for Saxon.
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James didn't play guitar.
He just sang.
273
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And Dave Mustaine played guitar.
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Their set consisted of "Hit the Lights,
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"Blitzkrieg" by Blitzkrieg,
and about five Diamond Head covers.
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And that was pretty much it.
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The selection of the cover songs
we did I think
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was a little bit more, uh, involved,
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because we all kind of had a say
in what bands we liked.
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When Metal Mania 5 me out
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fight after Metallica
played their very first shows ever.
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So, Lars helped write an article
about his show
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and this great new band, Metallica.
284
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He wrote this little article,
285
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uh, about L.A. heavy metal
286
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and young metal attack Metallica,
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and this is the very first article ever,
uh, oi Metallica,
288
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and of course it was written
by Lars.
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But they never really quite fit in
with the L.A. crowd.
290
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We got gigs when we could,
as many as we could.
291
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And, you know,
we got kicked out of a few clubs
292
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because they thought we were
a punk rock band.
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With Bf tan Slagel's help,
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we were able to go up
in the San Francisco area
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with a few other L.A. bands.
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Man, it was on.
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Man, it was on.
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When they came up
in San Francisco,
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and they saw the energy
that was involved,
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they just wanted to be in that element.
301
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And it helped them tremendously,
and it helped us grow as a scene
302
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in San Francisco
and the Bay Area, as well.
303
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A lot of bands me out of the East Bay.
304
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A lot of musicians came out
of the East Bay.
305
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The East Bay is a fucked up place.
306
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In the '70s and early 80s,
it had high unemployment,
307
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high crime rate,
308
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and it was a boring place.
309
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My mom worked a lot,
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so, like, in the daytime I had a lot of--
a lot of free time to myself
311
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in just jam out at home.
312
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We were ghetto kids, you know!
We-we stole shit, you know?
313
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Like, there's the time
the Wagon Wheel liquor store
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in Pinole burned down, right?
315
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You know, most people stay away
from, like, burnt out buildings.
316
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Not Exodus.
We crawled through the wreckage,
317
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because there was dozens and dozens
of bottles of alcohol in there.
318
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I actually met Gary shoplifting
when we were going to junior high school.
319
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We had nothing given in us.
320
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We stole some of our first equipment.
321
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Gary was a friend of mine from Richmond,
322
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and he was kind of, like, helping us out
with gear and stuff like that.
323
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And then Kirk gave him
a guitar lesson, and...
324
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Wow.
325
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Taught me how to play guitar, you know?
I hold a pick the way I do,
326
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I fret a bar chord the way I do.
327
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We do it exactly the same,
because he showed me.
328
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Here's how you hold a pick.
329
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So, all right,
I'll hold a pick like that, then.
330
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It was Kirk saying,
yeah, I want to jam with people
331
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finding guys that played,
and making it happen.
332
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I remember walking into this party,
not knowing anyone,
333
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seeing this one short guy
334
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with hair that was just
like mushroom-shaped,
335
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super long, and he was talking like this
and, like, you know, was cracking jokes,
336
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and some of it was pretty funny, you know.
337
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And he started talking about music.
338
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He's like, "Oh, yeah, Judas Priest.
339
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So heavy, so heavy.
Oh, Maiden is so heavy, so heavy."
340
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And I said in him,
"Hey, bro, you know UFO?"
341
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He goes, "Rock bottom, Rock bottom
342
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And starts singing "Rock Bottom" to me.
343
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♪ Seventeen and nature's queen I
344
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I looked at him and said,
345
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"You're going to be the singer
of our new band, Exodus."
346
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He's like, "OK”.
347
00:16:16,327 --> 00:16:19,763
Then from that minute on
we were inseparable.
348
00:16:20,731 --> 00:16:22,995
His name was
Pablo Nikolaivich Paulakersokoff.
349
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It means son of Nicholas in Russian.
He was a blue blood Russian.
350
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He was a little tiny guy,
very aggressive.
351
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A strong, thick, 100-percent Russian man.
352
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Paul was Paul, take it or leave it.
353
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I mean, he had so much charisma
354
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and so much energy
that you just wanted to be around him.
355
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He couldn't sing that well,
but he could sing good enough.
356
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♪ Slicing jaws, a way of life
Brought up to waste mankind ♪
357
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♪ Loki's pets his little children
Deadly every time ♪
358
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That's where the line-up
really came together,
359
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you know, it's when
we found the band's voice, you know.
360
00:17:03,441 --> 00:17:07,639
Baloff wasn't a singer when we met him.
He was just a headbanger like us.
361
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When Exodus played,
they just got the crowd completely insane.
362
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Paul's first show was
at the Ducal Palace in Alameda,
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which is some little hall pizza joint
kind of place, you know?
364
00:17:45,249 --> 00:17:48,446
And I remember, like,
I knew he was the right guy for the job
365
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because it was one of those places
366
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that's got a stage
that's about a foot high.
367
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And next thing you know,
he's over on top of the tables,
368
00:17:54,592 --> 00:17:56,560
and he's just rocking them
fiercely like that,
369
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trying to break them.
It was just- It was just fucking awesome.
370
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He checked everyone's attitude
371
00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:03,897
and made sure that
if you're hanging out with us,
372
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you're into the music,
you knew the music,
373
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and you weren't an F'in' poser.
374
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I was friends
with all the people in San Francisco.
375
00:18:20,551 --> 00:18:22,679
There was a really great
scene going on up there,
376
00:18:22,787 --> 00:18:24,755
so I was able to put together
a Metal Massacre show
377
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at the Stone in San Francisco,
which was one of the big--big clubs there.
378
00:18:28,292 --> 00:18:30,556
So it was going to be
three bands from L.A.
379
00:18:30,728 --> 00:18:32,856
and I called up Lars and said,
"Hey, one of the bands dropped out.
380
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We have this gig up in San Francisco.
You guys want to do it?"
381
00:18:35,032 --> 00:18:38,161
Uh... We weren't one
of the three bigger bands.
382
00:18:38,269 --> 00:18:39,862
We weren't even first
on the agenda there,
383
00:18:39,970 --> 00:18:42,405
but we got invited when somebody canceled.
384
00:18:42,873 --> 00:18:45,467
So we hopped in
Ron McGovney's pickup truck with our gear,
385
00:18:45,576 --> 00:18:47,408
and off we went
with a trailer in the back.
386
00:18:47,545 --> 00:18:50,480
Some of you might
even heard our Demo Tape.
387
00:18:53,884 --> 00:18:55,477
There were only
a handful of people there.
388
00:18:55,586 --> 00:18:57,554
I know a lot of people
claimed to have been there.
389
00:18:57,922 --> 00:19:01,950
I was actually given this shirt by their
original bass player, Ron McGovney.
390
00:19:02,092 --> 00:19:04,720
And that was
the most amazing evening I ever saw,
391
00:19:04,829 --> 00:19:06,957
because in L.A. they were outcast.
Nobody knew.
392
00:19:07,097 --> 00:19:10,556
And we went up to San Francisco,
and that place went crazy.
393
00:19:11,068 --> 00:19:12,763
In September 1982,
394
00:19:12,903 --> 00:19:15,668
Metallica played their first show
in San Francisco.
395
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,405
The reaction was immediate and explosive.
396
00:19:19,944 --> 00:19:21,708
My mom didn't let me go.
397
00:19:22,847 --> 00:19:25,942
Dave had this charisma
that just took over the band,
398
00:19:26,083 --> 00:19:27,608
and when Metallica played,
399
00:19:27,751 --> 00:19:29,742
I thought he was going
in be, like, the next superstar,
400
00:19:29,854 --> 00:19:33,484
I mean, 'cause he was
so crazy on stage, and funny.
401
00:19:33,624 --> 00:19:36,093
Who the fuck's the frontman,
you or him?
402
00:19:36,527 --> 00:19:38,791
And I liked it 'cause,
you know, I've got a big mouth.
403
00:19:38,929 --> 00:19:39,862
I like to talk.
404
00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:46,759
Some of those people that I had befriended
for the previous year or two came,
405
00:19:46,871 --> 00:19:48,703
and you felt there was, like, a scene,
406
00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:53,367
a sort of a collection of people
that were really fans of the music,
407
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:57,208
which was a really different thing than
what was happening in L.A. at the time.
408
00:19:57,348 --> 00:20:02,514
So it was a very, uh, surreal,
transformative experience for us.
409
00:20:02,653 --> 00:20:05,588
We were all teenagers.
They were in a band onstage.
410
00:20:05,689 --> 00:20:06,986
We were teenagers in the crowd.
411
00:20:07,124 --> 00:20:09,650
And at the time,
Metallica were doing Diamond Head covers,
412
00:20:09,793 --> 00:20:12,763
you know, one of those bands
we didn't think anybody else knew about.
413
00:20:12,863 --> 00:20:14,627
And when they launched into "The Prince,"
414
00:20:14,732 --> 00:20:18,066
that's where the bond with that band
and the Bay Area happened.
415
00:20:18,202 --> 00:20:20,068
If you know that band, you're a brother.
416
00:20:20,204 --> 00:20:21,638
That was the switch.
417
00:20:22,072 --> 00:20:23,665
Yeah, I remember that first show,
418
00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:27,801
seeing fans that didn't care
what they looked like.
419
00:20:27,912 --> 00:20:29,846
I mean, they had cutoff denim and stuff.
420
00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:31,675
They-- They didn’t care.
421
00:20:32,182 --> 00:20:35,049
And they were at the front of the siege,
422
00:20:35,185 --> 00:20:38,120
headbanging,
because the music did that for them.
423
00:20:38,222 --> 00:20:41,715
They weren't gathered around
the bar scene or anything.
424
00:20:41,859 --> 00:20:42,985
They were there for the music.
425
00:20:43,093 --> 00:20:45,721
I think we had a much different
relationship with our fans,
426
00:20:45,863 --> 00:20:48,355
because, you know,
we were salt of the earth.
427
00:20:48,499 --> 00:20:51,298
Metallica came up to the Bay Area
to play the Old Waldorf,
428
00:20:52,102 --> 00:20:55,367
and I remember watching them thinking--
Fucking pretty cool.
429
00:20:55,506 --> 00:20:59,773
Then Laaz Rockit came on and played
for, like, literally, like, 25 people,
430
00:20:59,877 --> 00:21:02,039
and that said a lot to me.
431
00:21:02,179 --> 00:21:05,444
It said a lot to Baloff.
It said to everyone in Exodus.
432
00:21:05,549 --> 00:21:07,574
We were like, OK.
433
00:21:07,718 --> 00:21:11,313
All right, we know what's-- what's
working here, and we know what's not.
434
00:21:11,522 --> 00:21:14,014
Yeah, so Metallica,
I first got hip to them through the demo.
435
00:21:14,191 --> 00:21:16,683
So shortly after that,
the band I was playing with at the time,
436
00:21:16,794 --> 00:21:18,489
Laaz Rockit,
we were playing a show together.
437
00:21:18,629 --> 00:21:20,893
They were playing before us.
Mistake.
438
00:21:21,065 --> 00:21:24,000
Something about Metallica.
They had that special--
439
00:21:24,101 --> 00:21:26,365
That--that still-- that kick,
440
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:27,460
and- you know!
441
00:21:27,604 --> 00:21:29,595
They got that extra boost of adrenaline
442
00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:32,038
that I think made everyone
step up their game.
443
00:21:32,142 --> 00:21:33,075
Everyone.
444
00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:38,740
And then we played a show the next day,
and-and it was a benefit [or Metal Mania.
445
00:21:39,316 --> 00:21:43,275
It was kind of a hodgepodge thing
that was put together in 24 hours.
446
00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:44,945
They needed to find bands.
447
00:21:45,089 --> 00:21:46,523
They had got Metallica.
448
00:21:46,623 --> 00:21:48,990
They asked us to open.
We said, sure, we'll open the show.
449
00:21:49,126 --> 00:21:50,958
This is at the Mabuhay Gardens.
450
00:21:51,095 --> 00:21:52,358
We played our show.
451
00:21:52,463 --> 00:21:55,091
Then Metallica came on,
and they played.
452
00:21:55,232 --> 00:21:56,666
And they were just fantastic.
453
00:21:56,767 --> 00:22:01,261
And that's when I first met James,
and that's when I first met Lars.
454
00:22:01,405 --> 00:22:06,275
You know, it's funny because it was
a window into things to come in my future,
455
00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:08,538
because as I was talking to Lars,
456
00:22:08,645 --> 00:22:12,445
he got undressed
and changed right in front of me.
457
00:22:12,583 --> 00:22:16,952
And I was like,
"Wow, why is this guy doing that"
458
00:22:17,087 --> 00:22:21,251
And then I realized-- Oh, this is what,
I guess, what European people do.
459
00:22:21,358 --> 00:22:23,554
Because...
460
00:22:23,694 --> 00:22:25,822
You know, I lived in the East Bay.
461
00:22:25,963 --> 00:22:29,399
All I had to contend with was
rednecks everywhere, you know?
462
00:22:31,668 --> 00:22:33,830
Metallica's legendary demo cassette,
463
00:22:33,971 --> 00:22:38,738
No Life Til Leather,
was recorded in the summer of 1982.
464
00:22:38,842 --> 00:22:42,176
It immediately became a staple
of the tape-trading underground
465
00:22:42,312 --> 00:22:45,748
and established the band
as a force to be reckoned with.
466
00:22:45,849 --> 00:22:48,944
First we did
a four-song demo called "Power Metal,"
467
00:22:49,053 --> 00:22:50,987
and then the infamous
No Life Til Leather tape
468
00:22:51,121 --> 00:22:52,748
came a couple months after.
469
00:22:53,057 --> 00:22:55,719
I just started sending it
in all the same people
470
00:22:55,859 --> 00:23:00,023
that I'd been trading some of this other
underground metal stuff with,
471
00:23:00,164 --> 00:23:02,656
like the KJ Doughtons of the world.
472
00:23:02,833 --> 00:23:04,301
Oh my, God, this is tape is amazing.
473
00:23:04,401 --> 00:23:08,031
It just crushes. It's unbelievable,
they've come so far.
474
00:23:08,338 --> 00:23:11,672
And I sent Brian the first Metallica demo,
475
00:23:11,809 --> 00:23:13,486
and I think that's
the first taste he got of it.
476
00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:13,635
And I think that's
the first taste he got of it.
477
00:23:19,383 --> 00:23:20,976
While working at the club,
478
00:23:21,085 --> 00:23:25,886
one of my coworkers had started
to do a Monday night event
479
00:23:26,023 --> 00:23:27,354
called Metal Monday,
480
00:23:27,491 --> 00:23:30,927
and these bands that later
became thrash were presented.
481
00:23:31,895 --> 00:23:33,863
And it was clear this was a new direction.
482
00:23:34,198 --> 00:23:35,529
Attendance on a Tuesday morning
483
00:23:35,666 --> 00:23:37,532
in any of the high schools
across the Bay Area
484
00:23:37,668 --> 00:23:38,965
was pretty poor.
485
00:23:39,069 --> 00:23:40,230
I can attest to that,
486
00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:41,860
because a lot of us
were still in high school.
487
00:23:42,005 --> 00:23:44,497
The Bay Area people
were so loyal to the band
488
00:23:44,608 --> 00:23:45,575
that if they didn't like the band,
489
00:23:45,709 --> 00:23:47,336
they would actually
tum their backs on the--
490
00:23:47,444 --> 00:23:48,775
On the band while they were playing.
491
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:50,774
There was a band
called Hans Naughty.
492
00:23:50,914 --> 00:23:52,575
And they were based in San Francisco
493
00:23:52,716 --> 00:23:56,050
but with very much a Los Angeles
Sunset Strip aesthetic,
494
00:23:56,186 --> 00:23:57,551
and they were on the bill with Metallica.
495
00:23:58,188 --> 00:24:00,782
There were fans that had,
you know, patches of
496
00:24:00,891 --> 00:24:03,223
obviously their favorite bands on
and what not,
497
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,386
and they would show how much they liked
the band or didn't like the band.
498
00:24:06,563 --> 00:24:09,760
We might've flipped them off
a couple times, and that got boring. So...
499
00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:11,368
They just quietly turned,
500
00:24:11,468 --> 00:24:14,563
and that was
I guess silent protest.
501
00:24:14,705 --> 00:24:15,536
They got across that--
502
00:24:15,639 --> 00:24:18,631
Hey, you're not a favorite band,
and we're waiting for this one,
503
00:24:18,775 --> 00:24:20,470
the one that's on my back patch.
504
00:24:21,945 --> 00:24:26,382
Cliff came to us and said,
"I'd like to learn to play bass guitar."
505
00:24:26,884 --> 00:24:31,378
Jan and I said, yeah, so we got him
a cheap guitar and a cheap amplifier,
506
00:24:31,488 --> 00:24:33,252
and started giving him lessons.
507
00:24:33,824 --> 00:24:36,191
And, uh, from then on.
508
00:24:36,326 --> 00:24:38,420
You know, it was all Cliff.
509
00:24:38,829 --> 00:24:41,821
I knew about Cliff Burton
from his previous band, Trauma,
510
00:24:42,332 --> 00:24:45,324
because Baloff knew about Trauma.
Baloff had seen Trauma and said,
511
00:24:45,469 --> 00:24:46,766
"Oh, you got to see this band.
512
00:24:46,904 --> 00:24:49,396
They've got a killer bass player
and a killer guitar player."
513
00:24:49,506 --> 00:24:51,474
He said to me one day,
He goes, "Hey, let's--
514
00:24:51,608 --> 00:24:56,102
You want in go to San Francisco
in see a show at the- at the Stone
515
00:24:56,246 --> 00:24:59,375
'What's going on?" He goes,
"Well, let's see this band Metallica."
516
00:24:59,516 --> 00:25:01,780
Maybe a couple months letter,
I was talking to Lars.
517
00:25:02,286 --> 00:25:04,220
He said, "Do you know any good
bass players out there?"
518
00:25:04,321 --> 00:25:07,848
I said, "Well, there's this band
from San Francisco
519
00:25:07,991 --> 00:25:10,153
with this amazing bass player
named Cliff Burton.
520
00:25:10,294 --> 00:25:12,490
I saw him at the Troubadour a while ago,
coming down and playing again.
521
00:25:12,629 --> 00:25:13,926
You guys should come
522
00:25:14,031 --> 00:25:16,295
So Lars was like, "OK, cool."
The show happens.
523
00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:17,730
Lars and James were there.
524
00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:20,599
And I didn't know how far into the set,
but it was pretty early-
525
00:25:20,704 --> 00:25:22,229
maybe the second or third song--
Lars goes to me,
526
00:25:22,372 --> 00:25:24,466
"That-that's going to
be our bass player."
527
00:25:28,512 --> 00:25:31,140
Cliff represented the Bay Area.
528
00:25:31,815 --> 00:25:33,909
He represented a freedom.
529
00:25:34,151 --> 00:25:37,781
He (represented a-a-a Weakness
530
00:25:37,888 --> 00:25:42,758
that I didn't know
so much growing up in L.A.
531
00:25:43,293 --> 00:25:46,319
I went and saw Cliff play
with Trauma at the Keystone Berkeley,
532
00:25:46,496 --> 00:25:48,965
and it was no secret that the band knew
533
00:25:49,066 --> 00:25:51,865
that Cliff was about
in be poached from them.
534
00:25:52,002 --> 00:25:54,130
That's where Cliff belonged,
was in Metallica.
535
00:25:54,638 --> 00:25:57,005
Cliff would be talking
to somebody on the phone.
536
00:25:57,507 --> 00:25:59,703
And just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.
537
00:25:59,843 --> 00:26:01,368
And this went on for,
538
00:26:01,712 --> 00:26:04,079
oh, golly, I'd swear a month.
539
00:26:04,214 --> 00:26:05,648
And so finally I said in Jan,
540
00:26:05,916 --> 00:26:08,248
"Who's Cliff talking to
on the phone so much"
541
00:26:08,385 --> 00:26:11,150
And she said, "Well, there's a band
from Los Angeles
542
00:26:11,255 --> 00:26:14,190
that wants him to-lo join them
543
00:26:14,725 --> 00:26:17,717
And, uh, and Clifford said,
544
00:26:17,861 --> 00:26:22,731
"No, I--I'm not going to go down to L.A.,"
I said-- He said, "I told them,"
545
00:26:22,866 --> 00:26:26,962
"If you guys want me to join your band,
you can come up to the Bay Area."
546
00:26:27,070 --> 00:26:29,437
And by golly, here they did.
547
00:26:29,573 --> 00:26:31,063
Then one day...
548
00:26:31,208 --> 00:26:32,676
Baloff called me up and said,
549
00:26:32,776 --> 00:26:36,212
"That guy Cliff Burton, bass player
for Trauma, is in Metallica now!"
550
00:26:36,346 --> 00:26:38,872
And I said, "No fucking way."
551
00:26:47,891 --> 00:26:49,655
And then I saw them at the Stone,
552
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,253
you know, Cliff's first gig at the Stone.
And I—I was just like--
553
00:27:02,239 --> 00:27:05,573
It was kind of like looking in a minor.
Here's another band playing, like,
554
00:27:06,243 --> 00:27:09,838
kind of what we are, you know,
their own stamp on it.
555
00:27:10,113 --> 00:27:11,205
But, you know,
556
00:27:11,315 --> 00:27:15,013
I remember I-- just hanging out
and getting hammered that night,
557
00:27:15,152 --> 00:27:17,416
and we just all kind of
said the same thing. It's like--
558
00:27:17,554 --> 00:27:19,545
We kind of found our kindred
spirit, you know?
559
00:27:19,656 --> 00:27:21,920
There was a lot of integrity
560
00:27:22,059 --> 00:27:23,891
in the metal scene in San Francisco.
561
00:27:23,994 --> 00:27:27,259
And, you know,
besides going up on the hill by the park
562
00:27:27,397 --> 00:27:30,423
and just blasting
whatever music we were loving,
563
00:27:30,567 --> 00:27:32,057
booze and music, you know!
564
00:27:32,169 --> 00:27:35,036
That was our collective.
That's where we got to know each other
565
00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:37,163
and really feel like we had a family.
566
00:27:37,307 --> 00:27:39,503
Cliff is the one
that brought us to the Bay Area.
567
00:27:39,943 --> 00:27:42,071
If you want me in the band,
you got to come up here.
568
00:27:42,979 --> 00:27:45,346
On December 28th, 1982,
569
00:27:45,849 --> 00:27:49,308
Cliff Burton was invited to play
in a small house in El Cerrito
570
00:27:49,453 --> 00:27:52,479
that would later come to be known
as the Metallica Mansion.
571
00:27:53,357 --> 00:27:57,123
Part audition, part rehearsal,
only a lucky few were there.
572
00:27:57,928 --> 00:28:00,363
No audio exists,
but fortunately for history
573
00:28:00,464 --> 00:28:04,423
Brian Lew brought his camera
and photographed the new band lineup.
574
00:28:04,534 --> 00:28:06,798
At some point Lars
probably called me and said,
575
00:28:06,937 --> 00:28:09,031
"You know, we're going
in be playing with our new bassist."
576
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,866
Ron Quintana was there.
Rich Burch was there.
577
00:28:13,009 --> 00:28:15,535
Ian Callin,
who did Metal Mania with Ron, was there.
578
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,841
There was a group
of maybe five or six of us.
579
00:28:17,981 --> 00:28:21,349
There's this little room in El Cerrito,
and that was the living room
580
00:28:21,485 --> 00:28:23,749
where Metallica played
with Cliff for the first time.
581
00:28:23,854 --> 00:28:25,049
And that was it.
582
00:28:32,496 --> 00:28:36,126
Jamming with Cliff for the first time
in the-- in the living room there,
583
00:28:36,233 --> 00:28:38,668
hearing "Seek and Destroy",
and all of a sudden he's doing some stuff.
584
00:28:38,802 --> 00:28:41,328
It's like-- Oh, my, God,
this is going to be awesome.
585
00:28:41,905 --> 00:28:45,102
It sort of catapulted
Metallica to another level.
586
00:28:45,542 --> 00:28:47,306
In early 1983,
587
00:28:47,411 --> 00:28:50,176
Metallica moved from Los Angeles
to the Bay Area.
588
00:28:50,881 --> 00:28:55,011
A very shod window of time
with Mustaine in the band
589
00:28:55,152 --> 00:28:56,313
and Cliff in the band,
590
00:28:56,420 --> 00:29:00,015
and rehearsing and a few really
great shows in the Bay Area.
591
00:29:04,861 --> 00:29:05,885
That was one of the things
592
00:29:06,029 --> 00:29:07,861
that you could tell
when we played together.
593
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,191
When the lights are off
and the guitars are roaring,
594
00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:13,598
there's a respect
595
00:29:14,371 --> 00:29:16,203
Just the whole area, being up there,
596
00:29:16,606 --> 00:29:19,132
getting Cliff on board,
it felt like home.
597
00:29:20,744 --> 00:29:23,213
And then it came time for us
in play the show at the Stone.
598
00:29:23,947 --> 00:29:27,577
We went on, and we had a great show.
The place was packed.
599
00:29:27,918 --> 00:29:29,386
And then Metallica came on,
600
00:29:31,688 --> 00:29:34,385
and it was the first time
that I'd actually been able
601
00:29:34,524 --> 00:29:35,787
in watch the whole show.
602
00:29:36,593 --> 00:29:38,459
As I'm watching them, I thought,
603
00:29:38,595 --> 00:29:42,429
"These guys are fucking great.
They'd be so much better with me."
604
00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:49,236
In the New York area,
605
00:29:49,372 --> 00:29:53,240
Anthrax was proudly flying
the flag of the new heavy metal.
606
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:55,403
I think we felt
kind of out of it
607
00:29:55,545 --> 00:29:58,412
because we were the only band
on the East Coast
608
00:29:58,548 --> 00:30:00,312
that wanted to do something like this.
609
00:30:00,417 --> 00:30:04,376
And we thought it was so cool
that in the Bay Area,
610
00:30:04,488 --> 00:30:08,015
there was this kind of club
of these type of bands
611
00:30:08,158 --> 00:30:10,456
that were gigging around
and just making music.
612
00:30:10,594 --> 00:30:13,393
And I remember Exodus being
one of the first bands,
613
00:30:13,497 --> 00:30:16,956
beside Metallica,
that I thought were fucking great.
614
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,334
I just started getting the tape out there,
615
00:30:20,003 --> 00:30:22,870
and then, um, we started getting
you know, some good response.
616
00:30:23,006 --> 00:30:26,772
And, you now, eventually this tape
ended up in the hands of Johnny Z.
617
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:31,308
Around that time we were
meeting with Johnny Z in New Jersey,
618
00:30:32,249 --> 00:30:33,410
giving him demos.
619
00:30:33,517 --> 00:30:36,714
He was bringing the band
from San Francisco in come over.
620
00:30:36,853 --> 00:30:40,312
Johnny Z, he came down
to the house with a demo tape,
621
00:30:40,457 --> 00:30:42,255
which was No Life 'Fl Leather.
622
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:43,724
We were blown away.
623
00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:47,626
Metallica was always ahead of us
and the other bands, you know!
624
00:30:47,764 --> 00:30:49,528
They were always six months
in a year ahead of us.
625
00:30:49,633 --> 00:30:53,297
They came out with Kill 'Em All before
any other band had their records out.
626
00:30:53,436 --> 00:30:57,373
I think Kill 'Em All really set the lone
for what was gonna come.
627
00:30:58,174 --> 00:31:00,040
In April 1983,
628
00:31:00,176 --> 00:31:04,374
Dave Mustaine was let go from Metallica
and replaced by Kirk Hammett.
629
00:31:04,514 --> 00:31:07,540
We had obviously started
hanging out with Exodus,
630
00:31:07,684 --> 00:31:11,643
and Kirk was definitely
very musically gifted.
631
00:31:11,788 --> 00:31:14,450
And he was also very
up for whatever was going on.
632
00:31:14,558 --> 00:31:16,526
Yeah, Kirk and I were at this party.
633
00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:19,493
He's like, "Hey, man, come here.
Mark Whitaker just called me.
634
00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:21,961
They want me to audition [or Metallica."
635
00:31:22,132 --> 00:31:24,430
You know, it's like
a passing of the torch, you know?
636
00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:28,493
Like, Kirk giving me the keys
in the family car, you know, and saying,
637
00:31:28,638 --> 00:31:30,766
"Here, it's yours now. Don't blow it up
638
00:31:32,509 --> 00:31:34,136
As far as the music was concerned,
639
00:31:34,244 --> 00:31:38,511
Exodus' music was similar as to what
Metallica was doing already.
640
00:31:39,349 --> 00:31:42,717
I had the chops to be able in play
all that stuff on Kill 'Em All,
641
00:31:42,852 --> 00:31:45,480
no problem.
That was the least of my worries,
642
00:31:46,056 --> 00:31:49,356
because even then I knew
that when you go into a band,
643
00:31:49,492 --> 00:31:50,960
there's a certain dynamic.
644
00:31:51,061 --> 00:31:55,396
And if your personality doesn't work
within that-that band dynamic,
645
00:31:55,532 --> 00:31:56,522
it just won't work.
646
00:31:56,933 --> 00:31:58,025
You won't go anywhere.
647
00:31:58,368 --> 00:32:01,360
A group of die-hard New Jersey metal fans
648
00:32:01,504 --> 00:32:04,838
known as the Old Bridge Militia
took Metallica into their home,
649
00:32:05,275 --> 00:32:06,606
the Funhouse.
650
00:32:06,776 --> 00:32:08,608
It's pretty amazing that
the house got a nickname,
651
00:32:08,745 --> 00:32:11,339
which was the Funhouse because
of all the things that we did down there.
652
00:32:11,448 --> 00:32:13,815
The place was all about fun,
because what did you do there?
653
00:32:14,217 --> 00:32:16,015
- You had dirt bikes happening.
- Oh, yeah, there was-
654
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,384
You had canoe rides
hooked to a chain.
655
00:32:19,522 --> 00:32:23,322
We were welcomed to quite a few places
that maybe shouldn't have.
656
00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:25,789
- The Funhouse--
- Not much to pick from.
657
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:28,828
- They didn't have much. Yeah. Yeah.
- A house with no heat, sometimes.
658
00:32:28,932 --> 00:32:31,924
You know, they
supplied us with the things we needed.
659
00:32:33,036 --> 00:32:36,472
You know, everybody knew that
we would have these crazy parties
660
00:32:36,573 --> 00:32:37,938
with the music going crazy.
661
00:32:38,074 --> 00:32:42,534
The sound system was... I believe
it was like a four-channel Onkyo.
662
00:32:42,646 --> 00:32:44,740
Yeah, I had the SAE,
but we bought a regular--
663
00:32:44,881 --> 00:32:47,213
- Rack system.
- Yeah, a whole rack system.
664
00:32:47,384 --> 00:32:48,909
Yeah, we just didn't
have the regular speakers.
665
00:32:49,052 --> 00:32:50,645
We had--
I guess they were monitors, right?
666
00:32:50,754 --> 00:32:54,588
Two 12s, two 14s-- whatever.
It went up to the ceiling of the house.
667
00:32:54,724 --> 00:32:56,385
Run a demo,
and then you're in your bedroom.
668
00:32:56,493 --> 00:32:58,070
You know, It was like,
wow, this is pretty wild.
669
00:32:58,094 --> 00:32:58,686
You know, It was like,
wow, this is pretty wild.
670
00:32:59,729 --> 00:33:01,424
Meanwhile back in the East Bay,
671
00:33:01,564 --> 00:33:05,592
Exodus quickly took hold
as the Bay Area's go-to heavy metal band.
672
00:33:05,735 --> 00:33:08,864
Ruthie's Inn became home
to the burgeoning scene.
673
00:33:09,172 --> 00:33:10,867
[Crowd chanting "Exodus
674
00:33:11,341 --> 00:33:12,638
Looks like someone's
trying in make
675
00:33:12,776 --> 00:33:14,266
a respectable location out of this place.
676
00:33:14,411 --> 00:33:16,539
Let's open it back up, Ruthie's Inn.
677
00:33:16,646 --> 00:33:19,081
Last time I was down here,
it still had the marquee,
678
00:33:19,683 --> 00:33:21,651
and you could still see
Ruthie's Inn on it.
679
00:33:21,785 --> 00:33:25,744
This place was as much the epicenter
of the Bay Area thrash scene
680
00:33:25,855 --> 00:33:29,553
as CBGBs was to the New York punk scene.
681
00:33:29,959 --> 00:33:32,792
I mean, there were so many clubs
prior to Ruthie's,
682
00:33:32,929 --> 00:33:34,727
but this is where the Vio-lence took off.
683
00:33:34,864 --> 00:33:37,834
This is where "Murder in the Front Row'
really did lake place.
684
00:33:39,202 --> 00:33:41,000
My father was Wes Robinson,
685
00:33:41,137 --> 00:33:42,627
born in Port Arthur, Texas.
686
00:33:42,772 --> 00:33:45,707
Came out to the East Bay about 1933.
687
00:33:46,176 --> 00:33:48,941
He grew up in a household
that was full of music,
688
00:33:49,045 --> 00:33:52,413
and they were hardcore jazz aficionados.
689
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:57,146
They would sneak out late at night
to go see Ella Fitzgerald or the classics.
690
00:33:57,287 --> 00:34:00,313
A lot of the greats.
That started his love of music.
691
00:34:00,490 --> 00:34:01,855
It wasn't so much that he had a club,
692
00:34:01,991 --> 00:34:04,653
but rather that
he would foster relationships
693
00:34:04,794 --> 00:34:09,129
that allowed him to use--
use different venues for performances.
694
00:34:10,133 --> 00:34:12,761
He was a promoter,
and that was the beginning.
695
00:34:12,902 --> 00:34:16,361
And Wes Robinson, you know,
the late, great Wes Robinson, you know,
696
00:34:16,673 --> 00:34:20,541
booked Exodus at the first ever show
at Ruthie's, a blues club.
697
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:22,337
His joy for something
698
00:34:22,479 --> 00:34:25,608
always led his actions
into getting involved with ii.
699
00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:27,183
He never got involved with something
700
00:34:27,317 --> 00:34:30,082
just because he might be able
to make some money at it.
701
00:34:30,754 --> 00:34:33,724
He saw something in it.
I'm--I'm not sure what-what he saw.
702
00:34:33,857 --> 00:34:38,158
Maybe he recognized from when--when
he was a musician, being younger.
703
00:34:38,595 --> 00:34:40,085
Obviously much different music,
704
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:42,392
but I think he saw some
of that same energy.
705
00:34:42,532 --> 00:34:44,899
So he really helped nurture the scene.
706
00:34:45,268 --> 00:34:49,466
There were battles along the way.
There were battles from the neighborhood.
707
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:51,773
Um, you know, there was a-
708
00:34:51,875 --> 00:34:56,870
um, there was a parking lot
across from Ruthie's that is- Still--
709
00:34:57,013 --> 00:34:59,448
The business is still there.
Big 0 Tires.
710
00:34:59,582 --> 00:35:02,176
People would throw up in there,
in that parking lot,
711
00:35:02,285 --> 00:35:03,946
and, like, break bottles.
712
00:35:04,387 --> 00:35:07,516
After a while I was, like--
These people never complain.
713
00:35:07,624 --> 00:35:09,820
They never call the cops.
They never do anything.
714
00:35:09,959 --> 00:35:13,122
After thinking about it, I'm like--
Well, they do sell tires there, so.
715
00:35:13,296 --> 00:35:16,288
We would party right across
the street at the Big 0 parking lot.
716
00:35:16,432 --> 00:35:19,129
Someone would roll up in their Chevy Nova,
717
00:35:19,269 --> 00:35:22,239
crack the trunk,
and there'd be coolers of beer
718
00:35:22,372 --> 00:35:25,398
and bottles of Jack and what not.
And we all hung out.
719
00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:28,842
Half the bands would wait with us
and drink with us, and then--
720
00:35:28,945 --> 00:35:30,310
Oh, got to go into the show.
721
00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:32,912
Well, Exodus shows at Ruthie's
were really crazy.
722
00:35:33,049 --> 00:35:35,916
I mean, I don't think I ever paid once
to get into the show.
723
00:35:36,052 --> 00:35:37,713
Wes would be sitting at the door.
724
00:35:37,821 --> 00:35:40,188
I would walk by,
and he'd just kind of go like that
725
00:35:40,323 --> 00:35:44,419
Connie, Pam, Rebecca, Leah,
726
00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:46,256
those girls were something else,
727
00:35:46,396 --> 00:35:48,558
because there weren't
very many of us at all.
728
00:35:48,665 --> 00:35:51,327
We would go to the bar.
We would sit down. We would drink.
729
00:35:51,467 --> 00:35:55,301
We didn't have IDs. We weren't old enough.
But it just sort of happened.
730
00:35:55,438 --> 00:35:58,135
You know, people were dancing,
and the bands were playing so hard.
731
00:35:58,274 --> 00:36:00,766
It became very human,
very fast.
732
00:36:00,910 --> 00:36:04,369
That's when we found our home,
because it was kind of where we were from.
733
00:36:04,681 --> 00:36:06,775
You know, Rick and Paul
were both from Berkeley.
734
00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:10,375
You know, Robbie was from Berkeley.
Torn and I were from San Pablo.
735
00:36:10,753 --> 00:36:12,084
Exodus at Ruthie's Inn--
736
00:36:12,188 --> 00:36:15,123
A random person would just record it
and send it off to our pen pal friends.
737
00:36:15,258 --> 00:36:21,061
So you know, pre Bonded by Blood,
this is how Exodus' music got out.
738
00:36:26,169 --> 00:36:28,263
Livery quickly became a scene.
739
00:36:28,504 --> 00:36:30,871
It was the place to go.
They have great kamikazes.
740
00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:32,801
You knew never knew what
was going to happen.
741
00:36:33,142 --> 00:36:35,406
You know, some crazy shit
was going to jump off.
742
00:36:35,511 --> 00:36:37,343
Of course, I was young,
and we were all just raging,
743
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,244
and... it was a party.
744
00:36:39,716 --> 00:36:41,013
The place was really dark,
745
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:43,642
and you kind of, like, getaway
with almost anything there.
746
00:36:43,786 --> 00:36:45,550
I'll never forget onetime
going through the crowd,
747
00:36:45,655 --> 00:36:46,986
like, headbanging
and going crazy and stuff.
748
00:36:47,123 --> 00:36:50,491
I actually tripped on some people.
There were some people, like, having sex.
749
00:36:50,827 --> 00:36:54,320
The shows were classic, dude.
I mean, it was like Ruthie's Inn,
750
00:36:54,464 --> 00:36:57,092
so hot and humid in there.
The walls would be sweating.
751
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,170
People are hanging off
of plumbing pipes and sprinklers,
752
00:37:00,303 --> 00:37:02,101
and toilets were getting broke.
753
00:37:02,205 --> 00:37:04,139
The place would just
get fucking destroyed,
754
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,208
and they'd still have us back,
like, two weeks later.
755
00:37:06,676 --> 00:37:09,441
Toby Rage, Andy Anderson,
Lonnie Hunolt...
756
00:37:10,313 --> 00:37:11,747
You know, we'd all take turns.
757
00:37:12,048 --> 00:37:13,482
We called it bowling ball.
758
00:37:14,317 --> 00:37:16,285
And it's where people jump on stage,
759
00:37:16,386 --> 00:37:19,412
and you're crouched
in a ducking position by the drums.
760
00:37:19,555 --> 00:37:22,923
You get a running start and just
linebacker them as hard as you could
761
00:37:23,059 --> 00:37:24,151
down into the crowd, you know?
762
00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:25,227
That was fun.
763
00:37:25,361 --> 00:37:27,352
We were hanging out
at the Big O across the street.
764
00:37:27,497 --> 00:37:29,295
This cat Toby Rage comes up,
765
00:37:29,399 --> 00:37:32,562
and he sees Leroy
with his Mike Tereo hair
766
00:37:32,702 --> 00:37:34,500
and his while Capezios.
767
00:37:34,604 --> 00:37:35,901
And he walks up, and he just goes...
768
00:37:37,607 --> 00:37:38,870
Nice shoes.
769
00:37:39,008 --> 00:37:42,638
Toby Rage was, again,
I never saw him break character.
770
00:37:43,246 --> 00:37:47,205
I don't know how he lived at that level.
771
00:37:47,784 --> 00:37:52,221
I just remember just feeling,
you know, claustrophobic in there,
772
00:37:52,355 --> 00:37:54,619
but if the music was good,
that was all that mattered.
773
00:37:54,724 --> 00:37:57,489
Exodus just owned it,
and the pits were violent as hell.
774
00:37:57,593 --> 00:37:59,288
Ii was just-
775
00:37:59,429 --> 00:38:01,591
It was-- it was-- It was glorious.
776
00:38:01,898 --> 00:38:04,230
You know,
Exodus's group of close friends,
777
00:38:04,367 --> 00:38:05,892
you know, they were called the Slay Team,
778
00:38:06,035 --> 00:38:09,198
and literally if someone
showed up at Ruthie's Inn
779
00:38:09,305 --> 00:38:12,240
wearing a Motley Crue
or Ratt or a hair metal band shirt,
780
00:38:12,375 --> 00:38:15,003
they would literally tear
the shirt off the kid's back.
781
00:38:15,445 --> 00:38:17,311
They would cut strips off of the shirt
782
00:38:17,447 --> 00:38:19,472
and tie them around their wrists,
like scalps,
783
00:38:19,615 --> 00:38:22,209
and those aren't
fucking friendship ships.
784
00:38:22,318 --> 00:38:23,945
Those are like war trophies.
785
00:38:24,454 --> 00:38:25,979
Lizzie Green,
Baloff's girlfriend,
786
00:38:26,122 --> 00:38:27,920
actually did a comic book
that was based on the Slay Team.
787
00:38:28,324 --> 00:38:30,759
It was just them going out
and killing posers, literally.
788
00:38:30,927 --> 00:38:34,921
Paul and I had this idea
that we were going in make money.
789
00:38:35,064 --> 00:38:37,192
And so I draw up this whole comic.
790
00:38:37,333 --> 00:38:39,825
She would sit there
and draw these little comics,
791
00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:43,234
which have now become
the Slay Team comics, which are famous.
792
00:38:43,339 --> 00:38:46,172
"I can't believe this.
That car just ran him down.
793
00:38:46,576 --> 00:38:48,101
Someone wants to kill us all.
794
00:38:48,244 --> 00:38:52,875
|I's the Slay Team, and they will
kill us all unless we strike back."
795
00:38:52,982 --> 00:38:54,916
So we start a poser war.
796
00:38:55,018 --> 00:38:58,511
So, this is actually a real person.
We called him Poser Bob.
797
00:38:58,654 --> 00:39:00,645
I don't remember what Bob's real name is.
798
00:39:00,790 --> 00:39:04,658
He did dress like this.
He had no problem being a poser.
799
00:39:05,261 --> 00:39:08,561
By the way, folks,
she's now a nuclear scientist.
800
00:39:08,865 --> 00:39:12,495
I research explosives for the government,
is the-- is the party line,
801
00:39:12,635 --> 00:39:15,502
but I blow shit up for the government
is my line.
802
00:39:19,375 --> 00:39:21,537
Toby Rage,
I mean, it's like--
803
00:39:21,677 --> 00:39:25,841
Nobody was going to try posing
if all of a sudden you were going to get,
804
00:39:25,982 --> 00:39:29,111
you know, a Converse footprint
on the side of your head.
805
00:39:29,218 --> 00:39:32,381
I got off the plane the one day,
went to Ruthie's the next day.
806
00:39:32,522 --> 00:39:36,459
People were jumping on the PA slack.
They were jumping off into the crowd.
807
00:39:36,793 --> 00:39:38,921
People were standing with their backs
against the stage,
808
00:39:39,028 --> 00:39:42,191
holding their hands like this,
throwing people on.
809
00:39:42,331 --> 00:39:44,766
We had never seen
anything like that in Europe.
810
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:57,107
[Crowd chanting "Kill! Kill
811
00:39:57,847 --> 00:39:58,939
No stage diving for me.
812
00:39:59,048 --> 00:40:01,244
Most of the time
I stood just on the outside
813
00:40:01,384 --> 00:40:03,716
and let some other guys push
the guys in the middle.
814
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:06,912
Just close enough so you could
still see the band but not gel,
815
00:40:07,056 --> 00:40:08,581
YOU know, [UH over.
816
00:40:08,724 --> 00:40:10,214
Ruthie's was insane.
817
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:13,288
And we were never real crazy about
818
00:40:13,396 --> 00:40:15,888
keeping people offstage
at that point, you know?
819
00:40:16,065 --> 00:40:18,329
That's what they did,
and they had a damn good time doing it.
820
00:40:18,434 --> 00:40:20,926
If you were a poser or a dippy girl
or something like that,
821
00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:22,265
they could be terrifying,
822
00:40:22,405 --> 00:40:24,499
but if you were a friend of theirs
823
00:40:24,607 --> 00:40:26,132
and you understood them
or you accepted them,
824
00:40:26,275 --> 00:40:28,107
their hearts were so big.
825
00:40:28,244 --> 00:40:31,214
One of those defining moments
in any scene,
826
00:40:31,347 --> 00:40:34,942
where that was the show that inspired
the lyrics in "Bonded by Blood."
827
00:40:35,251 --> 00:40:37,913
I remember it was us
and some rock band playing, right?
828
00:40:38,087 --> 00:40:40,112
And the rock band,
they were up there rocking out
829
00:40:40,256 --> 00:40:41,724
for their sisters band or whatever
830
00:40:41,858 --> 00:40:44,350
with their drink glasses
and left them on the front of the stage.
831
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:47,589
And when we come on,
everybody starts smashing all the glass.
832
00:40:47,763 --> 00:40:50,289
So people's hands got cut,
so there was literally--
833
00:40:50,433 --> 00:40:51,400
- Blood upon the stage.
- Blood upon the stage.
834
00:40:51,534 --> 00:40:53,195
There's literally blood all over.
835
00:40:53,302 --> 00:40:56,966
And I remember this one girl
who was there to see the rock band
836
00:40:57,106 --> 00:40:59,097
must've saw something
she liked about the band,
837
00:40:59,242 --> 00:41:01,870
and she was up front and was rocking out,
you know-- This is kind of cool.
838
00:41:01,978 --> 00:41:05,278
And Paul reached down
and got a big smear, a handful of blood,
839
00:41:05,414 --> 00:41:07,439
and just wiped it down her face.
840
00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:09,711
And she just ran out-- Ah!-- screaming.
841
00:41:11,287 --> 00:41:14,917
Bonded by Blood is written
by a band who were in the thick of it.
842
00:41:15,391 --> 00:41:19,988
That song and that album resonate so much
because it's a product of the scene.
843
00:41:20,763 --> 00:41:22,356
♪ Murder in the front row ♪
844
00:41:22,465 --> 00:41:25,230
♪ Crowd begins to bang
And there's blood upon the stage ♪
845
00:41:25,334 --> 00:41:28,269
♪ Bang your head against the stage
And metal lakes its price ♪
846
00:41:28,404 --> 00:41:29,894
♪ Bonded by blood ♪
847
00:41:30,006 --> 00:41:30,871
You know, if you listen to it,
848
00:41:31,007 --> 00:41:32,668
it's almost like a documentary
in some ways
849
00:41:32,808 --> 00:41:37,143
about those brief years when this whole
Bay Area scene was just getting going,
850
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,907
like, you know, '83 to '85.
851
00:42:05,975 --> 00:42:11,937
Nobody, and I mean nobody,
had ever seen anything like Slayer.
852
00:42:16,485 --> 00:42:19,614
I remember thinking
this is really interesting, OK?
853
00:42:19,722 --> 00:42:21,520
They're from Southern California,
854
00:42:22,291 --> 00:42:24,055
but they're faster than...
855
00:42:24,694 --> 00:42:25,684
Any band I've heard.
856
00:42:26,028 --> 00:42:28,019
The imagery, and the speed,
857
00:42:28,164 --> 00:42:31,759
and just the heaviness oi ii all
just kind of took me into this.
858
00:42:32,702 --> 00:42:33,897
Fucking Slayer.
859
00:42:37,673 --> 00:42:41,007
♪ I am the Antichrist
It's what I was meant to be ♪
860
00:42:41,344 --> 00:42:45,440
♪ Your God left me behind
And set my soul to be free ♪
861
00:42:46,048 --> 00:42:47,243
When we went to the Bay Area,
862
00:42:47,383 --> 00:42:49,408
that's where we felt at home,
863
00:42:49,819 --> 00:42:51,344
because L.A. was saturated
864
00:42:51,487 --> 00:42:53,581
and Hollywood was saturated
with glam rock.
865
00:42:53,689 --> 00:42:55,054
We all know what that is,
866
00:42:55,191 --> 00:42:59,025
compared to, you know, thrashers
and metal heads. We were opposite.
867
00:42:59,428 --> 00:43:01,624
When we played, all I remember
868
00:43:01,764 --> 00:43:04,256
is the enthusiasm of the crowd,
their intensity.
869
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,765
Kids jumping on the stage,
870
00:43:05,901 --> 00:43:08,871
and then they'd just start walking on
people's heads and shoulders, you know,
871
00:43:09,005 --> 00:43:10,837
'cause everybody was just stuck together.
872
00:43:11,574 --> 00:43:13,599
We went up north
and we did a show with Exodus,
873
00:43:13,743 --> 00:43:15,677
which blew me away.
874
00:43:16,212 --> 00:43:17,737
There's nothing wrong
with imports.
875
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,645
The Bay Area was the epicenter
of the thrash scene,
876
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:24,550
and if your own region
was not welcoming of you, we would be.
877
00:43:25,221 --> 00:43:27,246
Being from L.A.,
nobody--nobody did what we did.
878
00:43:27,690 --> 00:43:29,784
So to be there, and in hear them,
879
00:43:29,892 --> 00:43:31,826
and think--
Oh my, God, these-these guys--
880
00:43:31,927 --> 00:43:33,793
They're-they're doing
the same thing we are.
881
00:43:33,929 --> 00:43:35,556
Really heavy music, awesome.
882
00:43:35,698 --> 00:43:38,065
The sounds are awesome.
The band is fucking awesome.
883
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,635
The guys were really cool,
and we got along great.
884
00:43:41,037 --> 00:43:43,335
L.A. was more where
the hair metal was going down.
885
00:43:43,439 --> 00:43:44,929
So we're kind of in 0.0.,
886
00:43:45,141 --> 00:43:48,167
and the O.C. crowd was very similar
to the Bay Area crowd,
887
00:43:48,311 --> 00:43:50,780
but the Bay Area crowd
was far more advanced.
888
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,409
I first became aware of Slayer,
um, when Brian Slagel,
889
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:57,815
who runs Metal Bay Records, he sent me
an advanced tape of Show No Mercy,
890
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,081
their first album.
891
00:43:59,221 --> 00:44:00,416
It was almost like a demo.
892
00:44:00,556 --> 00:44:02,581
And, again, it was at the time when
893
00:44:02,725 --> 00:44:05,558
all we cared about
were bands that played fast.
894
00:44:05,728 --> 00:44:08,698
And Slayer came up here
and played their first three shows
895
00:44:08,798 --> 00:44:11,290
in January '84,
896
00:44:11,434 --> 00:44:13,732
and the first one
was at the Keystone Berkeley.
897
00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:15,936
If you look at the back cover
of Show No Mercy,
898
00:44:16,072 --> 00:44:17,767
they were wearing eyeliner.
899
00:44:17,907 --> 00:44:19,602
Why do you wear makeup?
900
00:44:19,775 --> 00:44:21,038
You can't || it glam,
901
00:44:21,143 --> 00:44:24,579
and it wasn't really makeup,
but it was eyeliner.
902
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,012
Somebody made the remark,
"Why are you guys wearing that makeup?"
903
00:44:27,149 --> 00:44:29,516
And my thought is-- I'm not--
I'm not really wearing makeup.
904
00:44:29,652 --> 00:44:32,587
But, you know, you don't need to be
wearing that stuff, man.
905
00:44:33,356 --> 00:44:34,482
They're all in makeup,
906
00:44:34,623 --> 00:44:38,719
and they have, you know,
the spandex and all the trip going on.
907
00:44:38,828 --> 00:44:41,297
And I think Kerry might've
had spikes at that point.
908
00:44:41,464 --> 00:44:43,592
Whether you don't know me,
whether you don't know the guitar,
909
00:44:43,699 --> 00:44:45,861
whether you don't know much about Slayer,
you know those nails.
910
00:44:46,035 --> 00:44:49,528
They had some shit going on
that I was- 'What the fuck is this?"
911
00:44:49,672 --> 00:44:52,937
People like Andy Anderson and Toby Rage,
like, the original Slay Team.
912
00:44:53,042 --> 00:44:56,535
They noticed it and started a chant
of "lake off the makeup."
913
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:58,147
And-- you know- Andy even went
914
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,147
as far as going to the men's room
and getting paper towels.
915
00:45:01,283 --> 00:45:02,910
And we waved the paper towels at them.
916
00:45:03,152 --> 00:45:04,620
Slayer did two shows.
917
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,189
They played the Keystone Berkeley
the night before
918
00:45:07,323 --> 00:45:09,621
and then played Ruthie's
the following night with Exodus.
919
00:45:09,725 --> 00:45:13,093
The Keystone Berkeley show
was the last show they wore the makeup,
920
00:45:13,229 --> 00:45:16,426
'cause we told them
that shit won't wash at Ruthie's Inn.
921
00:45:16,565 --> 00:45:17,760
That was it [or me.
922
00:45:18,067 --> 00:45:20,536
Took all that shit off. Was like,
"Fuck it, I don't need that shit."
923
00:45:20,669 --> 00:45:24,037
So I just stuck with, uh,
black shirts and leather penis.
924
00:45:25,408 --> 00:45:27,069
And after
the Keystone Berkeley show,
925
00:45:27,209 --> 00:45:30,474
we destroyed their hotel.
It was a swath of destruction.
926
00:45:30,579 --> 00:45:33,549
It had in be admired and appreciated.
It was awesome.
927
00:45:36,318 --> 00:45:38,810
They had a hotel room
at the Berkeley Plaza Hotel,
928
00:45:38,921 --> 00:45:40,013
and we just destroyed that place.
929
00:45:40,423 --> 00:45:42,448
Showed up with, I think, Torn Hunting,
930
00:45:43,025 --> 00:45:45,790
and these guys were nailing pizza
to the ceiling, man,
931
00:45:45,895 --> 00:45:48,990
and, you know, jamming everything
they could in the toilet
932
00:45:49,098 --> 00:45:51,089
And, you know, we--we actually tunneled
933
00:45:51,233 --> 00:45:54,225
a-a hole through the wall
into the manager's hotel room.
934
00:45:55,004 --> 00:45:59,168
They trashed this motel room that I--
that I had under my name,
935
00:45:59,275 --> 00:46:01,403
'cause I was the oldest guy in the band.
936
00:46:02,044 --> 00:46:04,570
So we had two rooms,
and they trashed them.
937
00:46:05,014 --> 00:46:07,449
Not too many years ago now
Kerry and I were having a conversation,
938
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:08,847
and somehow that came up. He was like,
939
00:46:08,951 --> 00:46:10,646
"Yeah, I got in a lot
of trouble [or that"
940
00:46:10,786 --> 00:46:14,313
That was kind of our first introduction
into traveling away from home.
941
00:46:17,426 --> 00:46:18,518
In 1984,
942
00:46:18,627 --> 00:46:23,121
Wes Robinson organized a mini-festival
bringing together venous types of bands.
943
00:46:23,466 --> 00:46:26,993
Although called Eastern Front,
the festival was affectionately known as
944
00:46:27,136 --> 00:46:28,160
Day on the Dirt,
945
00:46:28,304 --> 00:46:32,241
a sly nod towards Bill Graham's
much larger Day on the Green shows.
946
00:46:32,374 --> 00:46:36,743
It was how we would envision
what a day on the green should be,
947
00:46:36,879 --> 00:46:39,746
because these were our heroes.
These were our bands.
948
00:46:39,882 --> 00:46:43,375
And Wes Robinson,
who ran Ruthie's Inn, organized it.
949
00:46:43,486 --> 00:46:46,478
It was kind of like the Woodstock moment
of the Bay Area scene.
950
00:46:46,722 --> 00:46:49,817
He wanted people to be able
10 do what they wanted to do
951
00:46:50,459 --> 00:46:53,724
and, you know,
hopefully make some money at it,
952
00:46:54,597 --> 00:46:58,727
and if you didn't make any money,
at least there was the show.
953
00:46:58,834 --> 00:47:00,461
This was all at an aquatic park,
954
00:47:00,603 --> 00:47:01,695
which is at the bottom of Berkeley,
955
00:47:01,804 --> 00:47:05,934
right across this estuary
that flanks the 80 Interstate.
956
00:47:06,308 --> 00:47:09,676
The lineup was... Slayer, Exodus,
957
00:47:09,812 --> 00:47:12,975
Possessed, Suicidal Tendencies.
958
00:47:13,282 --> 00:47:15,046
It's kind of a defining
moment historically,
959
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:16,811
because that's a crossover moment.
960
00:47:16,952 --> 00:47:18,386
Like, Suicidal was a hardcore band,
961
00:47:18,487 --> 00:47:21,115
and they were playing with Exodus
and Slayer, who are metal bands.
962
00:47:21,257 --> 00:47:24,022
I know for a fact
that the band could not play L.A.
963
00:47:24,126 --> 00:47:25,321
when I first joined the band.
964
00:47:26,295 --> 00:47:30,630
And, uh, basically Suicidal Tendencies
was banned from Los Angeles.
965
00:47:30,799 --> 00:47:33,268
Everyone sort of went like,
"Hey, we're not that different."
966
00:47:33,369 --> 00:47:35,963
We love extreme music.
We fucking hale glam rock.
967
00:47:36,105 --> 00:47:39,131
We hated all the bullshit
about, like, you know, poser-type shit.
968
00:47:39,275 --> 00:47:42,905
It was, like, kind of a defining moment,
because everyone who was there were like,
969
00:47:43,012 --> 00:47:45,140
"Wow, like, this is pretty cool."
970
00:47:45,281 --> 00:47:46,715
And you can see all the photos.
971
00:47:46,815 --> 00:47:50,513
I mean, all those guys
were fast friends already,
972
00:47:50,653 --> 00:47:52,781
and if not, that solidified it.
973
00:47:54,189 --> 00:47:55,623
That was
one of the first shows where
974
00:47:55,724 --> 00:47:58,489
I started seeing, like, you know,
the camaraderie of the bands and stuff,
975
00:47:58,861 --> 00:48:01,489
and I think that's one of the things
that shows in the pictures, too.
976
00:48:02,631 --> 00:48:05,760
It was just amazing,
you know, the spirit up north,
977
00:48:05,868 --> 00:48:07,563
experiencing that positive energy.
978
00:48:07,736 --> 00:48:09,363
And [or me it was all brand new,
979
00:48:09,505 --> 00:48:13,135
because, again, I didn't even
get a chance to play L.A. yet
980
00:48:13,242 --> 00:48:15,609
you know, with the--
with this band that was from L.A.
981
00:48:16,045 --> 00:48:17,706
It was a fast and furious pit,
982
00:48:17,846 --> 00:48:19,041
and we had plenty of room.
983
00:48:19,181 --> 00:48:22,344
The dirt was flying,
and, uh, it was a great show.
984
00:48:27,856 --> 00:48:30,291
Dave Mustaine
began his new band, Megadeth,
985
00:48:30,392 --> 00:48:31,484
with a vengeance
986
00:48:31,594 --> 00:48:36,054
and immediately played the Bay Area,
where he was welcomed with open arms.
987
00:48:36,565 --> 00:48:38,863
This is Megadeth's first demo
988
00:48:39,335 --> 00:48:44,330
that Dave recorded, uh, after getting
the original Megadeth together.
989
00:48:44,673 --> 00:48:47,301
He sent them out in
maybe a half dozen fans and people.
990
00:48:47,409 --> 00:48:49,207
He handwrote the track listing on it.
991
00:48:49,345 --> 00:48:54,215
Dave had this friend Brian Lew
who offered to run our fan club,
992
00:48:54,350 --> 00:48:56,819
which was basically consisted
of a post office box.
993
00:48:56,919 --> 00:48:59,854
One day this letter shows up
that says,
994
00:48:59,955 --> 00:49:02,822
"Hey, Dave, I hope your new shit's
faster than Metallica."
995
00:49:03,225 --> 00:49:05,319
And that night, I kid you not,
996
00:49:05,427 --> 00:49:07,919
we went to rehearsal
and sped every song up
997
00:49:08,063 --> 00:49:09,656
by 10 to 20 beats per minute.
998
00:49:09,765 --> 00:49:10,926
I mean, every song.
999
00:49:11,066 --> 00:49:12,431
So things like "Skull Beneath the Skin,"
which were like...
1000
00:49:16,205 --> 00:49:17,570
Kind of this Sabbath groove...
1001
00:49:29,918 --> 00:49:31,010
We'd been to
the Bay Area enough times.
1002
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,951
I couldn't tell you how many,
1003
00:49:32,087 --> 00:49:35,387
but we'd been there enough to where
me showing up in Megadeth
1004
00:49:35,491 --> 00:49:37,186
is going to make people
think oi Slayer, too.
1005
00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:39,617
I saw Mustaine playing Metallica.
1006
00:49:39,895 --> 00:49:42,262
Me and Jeff would both
sit in the crowd and go,
1007
00:49:42,464 --> 00:49:43,590
"How's he do that?
1008
00:49:43,732 --> 00:49:46,326
How's he playing that fucking shit
and not looking at his fingers."
1009
00:49:46,435 --> 00:49:48,529
You know, we would just be amazed
that he's just up there ripping,
1010
00:49:48,637 --> 00:49:49,502
looking over there.
1011
00:49:49,638 --> 00:49:51,834
So I was flattered
when Mustaine came calling.
1012
00:49:52,007 --> 00:49:54,874
There's a lot of crazy folklore
1013
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:59,607
about those first couple of days, weeks,
and months after I left New York.
1014
00:50:00,015 --> 00:50:03,815
When I got on the bus,
I rode all the way to California.
1015
00:50:03,952 --> 00:50:05,249
Did a lot of soul-searching.
1016
00:50:05,821 --> 00:50:08,347
I had already started writing lyrics.
1017
00:50:08,490 --> 00:50:11,187
The first lyric I wrote was
in the song "Set the World Afire,"
1018
00:50:11,326 --> 00:50:12,452
which was called Megadeth.
1019
00:50:12,795 --> 00:50:15,594
And I saw a piece of paper
on the floor of the bus
1020
00:50:15,698 --> 00:50:17,792
that was from Senator Alan Cranston.
1021
00:50:17,933 --> 00:50:19,731
And it was a handbill that
he had put out that said,
1022
00:50:19,835 --> 00:50:23,863
"The arsenal of Megadeath can't be ready."
He was talking about nuclear armament.
1023
00:50:24,373 --> 00:50:25,966
Arsenal of Megadeath,
that's a great line,
1024
00:50:26,108 --> 00:50:27,803
so I wrote it down and put it in the song.
1025
00:50:27,943 --> 00:50:30,708
Didn't think that, you know,
that would one day end up being the title.
1026
00:50:30,813 --> 00:50:32,281
My first show was with Megadeth,
1027
00:50:32,381 --> 00:50:35,146
and I remember the first time watching
Mustaine play. I just couldn't believe it.
1028
00:50:35,317 --> 00:50:39,515
As a band, that was the first place
that we went up there was Ruthie's.
1029
00:50:39,655 --> 00:50:43,023
And that was interesting,
because, uh, Ruthie's was so small,
1030
00:50:43,158 --> 00:50:45,786
we'd built this crazy stage
over at Kerry's house.
1031
00:50:45,894 --> 00:50:47,658
You know, I'd ask Kerry
if he would help us
1032
00:50:47,796 --> 00:50:49,662
until we'd find a permanent player,
1033
00:50:49,798 --> 00:50:53,098
and we built the stage 'cause
I wanted this war scene kind of thing.
1034
00:50:53,469 --> 00:50:56,666
When we got up there,
the roof was about this tall,
1035
00:50:56,805 --> 00:50:59,399
and we're trying to figure out how we're
gonna gel all our stuff in there.
1036
00:50:59,508 --> 00:51:00,942
H's like-- Well, shit.
1037
00:51:01,076 --> 00:51:02,703
And borrowing
every marshal in the community
1038
00:51:02,845 --> 00:51:04,677
and everything we could
buy out of the recycler.
1039
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:07,114
You know, you got to
kind of keep your head down.
1040
00:51:07,216 --> 00:51:09,844
If you jump up in the air, you're going
to stick your head in a light socket.
1041
00:51:10,018 --> 00:51:12,817
He's like, "I'm going to put
together this super group
1042
00:51:13,255 --> 00:51:16,281
that is just going to
take fucking no prisoners, man."
1043
00:51:31,907 --> 00:51:35,241
What I noticed around town is that there
were a lot of people posing and primping,
1044
00:51:35,410 --> 00:51:38,744
and wearing their studded wristbands
from the shops on Hollywood Boulevard.
1045
00:51:38,881 --> 00:51:41,145
And everybody looked like
Vince Neil or David Lee Roth,
1046
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:42,513
but Dave was the real deal.
1047
00:51:47,623 --> 00:51:50,388
Everybody was really surprised
that Mustaine got booted out of the band,
1048
00:51:50,526 --> 00:51:52,392
'Cause, I mean, back then
he was almost like the frontman.
1049
00:51:52,561 --> 00:51:54,757
He really had something to prove
after he left Metallica.
1050
00:51:54,897 --> 00:51:56,695
Ii was incredible how quick
he got it together.
1051
00:51:56,799 --> 00:52:00,565
Megadeth was a band that was
conceptualized before it was ever a band.
1052
00:52:00,702 --> 00:52:04,639
It was an architectural blueprint
of what the band was going to be,
1053
00:52:04,740 --> 00:52:09,439
and I think because that was drafted
in Dave apartment's and my apartment,
1054
00:52:09,978 --> 00:52:12,777
we've had this vision
of what we've been aiming for.
1055
00:52:20,789 --> 00:52:26,125
It's really creative. It's a great blend,
and it's got that punk energy.
1056
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,400
When we debuted the band in the Bay Area,
in see that frenzy happening...
1057
00:52:35,671 --> 00:52:39,107
A kid reached up and actually grabs
he string and breaks it off my bass,
1058
00:52:39,241 --> 00:52:40,436
fight in the middle of the song.
1059
00:52:41,243 --> 00:52:42,768
I'd never seen anything like this,
1060
00:52:42,911 --> 00:52:46,541
and people were literally, like,
bleeding on the stage from headbanging
1061
00:52:46,648 --> 00:52:47,809
and thrashing down front.
1062
00:52:48,317 --> 00:52:53,312
You could feel almost a tension, you know?
He's up there trying 10 prove himself.
1063
00:52:53,488 --> 00:52:56,150
Thank you very much!
1064
00:53:01,330 --> 00:53:05,289
They moved here maybe
January '83. They were gone in April.
1065
00:53:05,434 --> 00:53:10,270
They came back for, I think,
a month in June, after recording finished.
1066
00:53:10,372 --> 00:53:11,305
And then they were on tour.
1067
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,909
So, like, that first year that they
quote-unquote moved to the Bay Area,
1068
00:53:14,009 --> 00:53:17,172
they were probably
only here a couple months.
1069
00:53:17,512 --> 00:53:20,846
We really had just come
from out of the underground.
1070
00:53:20,983 --> 00:53:22,348
We recorded Kill 'Em All.
1071
00:53:22,484 --> 00:53:27,581
We ran back to San Francisco to give it
in all the people who were our core group.
1072
00:53:27,956 --> 00:53:33,053
It was our opportunity to
put the scene on the fucking map.
1073
00:53:33,195 --> 00:53:36,130
Kill 'Em All came out
in December of '83, you know?
1074
00:53:36,231 --> 00:53:40,532
And in our second issue I made the review.
You know, we had record reviews.
1075
00:53:40,669 --> 00:53:43,639
You know, and I said Metallica--
they are gonna gel a whole page.
1076
00:53:43,739 --> 00:53:46,174
Nobody knew at the time
how big they're going to get,
1077
00:53:46,308 --> 00:53:48,504
but I said this band is a killer.
1078
00:53:48,644 --> 00:53:50,908
So I made the headline,
"Metal Album of the Year:
1079
00:53:51,013 --> 00:53:52,139
"Kill 'Em All."
1080
00:53:53,181 --> 00:53:56,276
Exodus recorded
their definitive thrash metal masterpiece,
1081
00:53:56,385 --> 00:53:59,252
Bonded by Blood, in 1984.
1082
00:53:59,888 --> 00:54:03,153
Bonded by Blood?
How do you not like Bonded by Blood?
1083
00:54:04,192 --> 00:54:06,991
I love Exodus, um,
especially from that time.
1084
00:54:07,095 --> 00:54:08,620
That's my favorite Exodus record.
1085
00:54:08,897 --> 00:54:11,264
Bonded by Blood
was kind of more anticipated than
1086
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,868
Kill 'Em All in a lot of ways,
1087
00:54:13,001 --> 00:54:17,837
just because, you know, we spent more time
with Exodus than we did with Metallica.
1088
00:54:18,073 --> 00:54:20,565
Basically I ended up replacing Kink.
1089
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:24,743
We were never in the studio before,
so we're learning the process, you know,
1090
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,077
the whole mike thing
and how to keep the guitars in tune,
1091
00:54:28,216 --> 00:54:29,911
like, because the mike hears everything--
1092
00:54:30,052 --> 00:54:34,319
And just learning from the very ground up
how to record an album.
1093
00:54:34,423 --> 00:54:37,791
When we recorded
Bonded by Blood at Prairie Sun studios,
1094
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,088
our friends would come up
from the Bay Area,
1095
00:54:40,228 --> 00:54:41,696
and we'd party at night, you know.
1096
00:54:41,797 --> 00:54:45,461
And they'd get loo drunk, and there's
fistfights and windows getting broken.
1097
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,261
The whole thing with Bonded by Blood
was it's like,
1098
00:54:47,536 --> 00:54:51,200
it's a chemistry that five kids had.
1099
00:54:51,306 --> 00:54:53,104
Not knowing nothing about recording.
1100
00:54:53,375 --> 00:54:55,241
We got nine songs together,
1101
00:54:56,611 --> 00:54:59,876
and we just want to put our everything
we have into these songs, man,
1102
00:54:59,982 --> 00:55:01,780
and-and just capture this vibe.
1103
00:55:02,484 --> 00:55:05,112
It's the craziest thing.
The very first note, man, is just like
1104
00:55:19,134 --> 00:55:21,398
♪ Bonded by blood ♪
1105
00:55:22,304 --> 00:55:25,137
Bonded by Blood, it's an amazing album.
1106
00:55:25,273 --> 00:55:26,866
The riffs, the speed.
1107
00:55:27,009 --> 00:55:30,343
That's my Exodus record.
Thar-That's the Exodus record.
1108
00:55:30,512 --> 00:55:35,006
It captured that kind of--
that youthful angst and anger.
1109
00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:36,311
That was thrash metal.
1110
00:55:36,451 --> 00:55:39,045
That was a Bay Area
thrash metal record, you know?
1111
00:55:39,154 --> 00:55:41,282
So, you know,
Kill 'Em All and Bonded by Blood
1112
00:55:41,423 --> 00:55:44,415
they're-they're kind of like--
they're twins, in a way.
1113
00:55:44,526 --> 00:55:48,019
To this day, people are just like--
Man, Bonded by Blood, forget about it.
1114
00:55:48,163 --> 00:55:49,927
There are quite a few covers
from that period of time
1115
00:55:50,032 --> 00:55:52,160
where you kind of look at them
and you're like-- Wow, really!
1116
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:53,927
But none the less,
1117
00:55:54,036 --> 00:55:59,975
I mean, what was inside that sleeve
was nothing but pure Bay Area thrash.
1118
00:56:00,108 --> 00:56:02,475
What do you guys do with posers?
1119
00:56:02,611 --> 00:56:04,136
- Poser.
- What?
1120
00:56:04,279 --> 00:56:05,144
That guy's a poser.
1121
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,475
What do you teach them?
1122
00:56:06,615 --> 00:56:08,105
A lesson in violence!
1123
00:56:08,316 --> 00:56:09,579
Here's a poser right here.
1124
00:56:09,718 --> 00:56:12,085
Some places don't know
that you kill posers.
1125
00:56:12,287 --> 00:56:13,812
Break a posers leg. It makes me smile.
1126
00:56:13,989 --> 00:56:15,320
Posers must die!
1127
00:56:15,457 --> 00:56:16,822
There's only one Paul, man.
1128
00:56:20,962 --> 00:56:23,329
He's the epitome
of what a singer should be,
1129
00:56:23,465 --> 00:56:24,899
because if you weren't into it,
1130
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,970
he's all, "Pummel that poser."
1131
00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:30,937
He'd go on one of those rants
about killing posers onstage,
1132
00:56:31,073 --> 00:56:33,405
and if there were posers
in the crowd, they worried.
1133
00:56:33,542 --> 00:56:36,534
My grandmother makes more noise than that!
1134
00:56:37,712 --> 00:56:40,044
My grandmother can make more noise
than that, and she's dead.
1135
00:56:40,215 --> 00:56:42,684
He would go to people's houses
and completely trash their house.
1136
00:56:42,818 --> 00:56:46,345
The Exodus guys would be there,
and Paul would kick people out.
1137
00:56:46,488 --> 00:56:48,422
One oi the prerequisites
to getting into the party
1138
00:56:48,523 --> 00:56:50,651
was you had in bring a two-by-four
so you could destroy the place.
1139
00:56:50,826 --> 00:56:52,089
I remember grabbing a beer bottle
1140
00:56:52,194 --> 00:56:53,958
and just firing it
straight at the fireplace
1141
00:56:54,062 --> 00:56:57,032
right when we walked in,
and we just- it just erupted.
1142
00:56:57,199 --> 00:56:58,496
He kind of got away
with a bunch of stuff,
1143
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,534
stuff that was kind of messed up actually,
to be honest.
1144
00:57:00,702 --> 00:57:02,898
He handcuffed someone to a tree like this.
1145
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,303
He let a live sewer rat loose
in my house one time.
1146
00:57:06,408 --> 00:57:07,603
We'd cut people's hair.
1147
00:57:07,776 --> 00:57:10,245
If you had a Ratt pin.
1148
00:57:10,412 --> 00:57:11,379
And a Bon Jovi shirt.
1149
00:57:11,513 --> 00:57:12,878
A Motley Crue shirt
or something like that
1150
00:57:13,014 --> 00:57:14,778
He'd ship you
right where you stood.
1151
00:57:14,883 --> 00:57:17,511
I'm gonna slice that shirt up.
We'll slice you with it.
1152
00:57:17,619 --> 00:57:20,247
If that's all he did,
they were lucky.
1153
00:57:20,422 --> 00:57:21,583
I remember his place.
1154
00:57:21,723 --> 00:57:24,920
He lived in just a-- like a--
He lived on a concrete slab.
1155
00:57:25,060 --> 00:57:26,357
His we“ “wed vim him, Enter.
1156
00:57:26,461 --> 00:57:28,657
Bidor and Paul
were pretty much inseparable.
1157
00:57:28,797 --> 00:57:30,162
He had a house-wrecking party.
1158
00:57:30,298 --> 00:57:33,097
Some pretty crazy shit happened
at these parties.
1159
00:57:33,235 --> 00:57:34,703
A lot of beer, a lot of liquor.
1160
00:57:34,803 --> 00:57:35,895
Pictures getting smashed.
1161
00:57:36,037 --> 00:57:37,698
Walls being kicked in with holes.
1162
00:57:37,806 --> 00:57:41,140
Just slamming our arms down the hallways,
just punching in all the plaster.
1163
00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:48,606
Houses dismantled,
you know, piece by piece.
1164
00:57:52,154 --> 00:57:55,818
Paul Baloff passed away
following a stroke in 2002.
1165
00:57:56,291 --> 00:57:59,886
He's beloved by his friends
and metal fans everywhere.
1166
00:58:02,631 --> 00:58:05,828
Paul, for what he lacked
in pure musical talent,
1167
00:58:05,967 --> 00:58:08,834
he had all the drive and passion
that you'd ever want,
1168
00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:11,462
could we have done more
to keep him around?
1169
00:58:11,973 --> 00:58:14,908
Probably yeah,
might've been a failure in attempting it.
1170
00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:16,842
I'm happy. I've got a million memories
1171
00:58:16,978 --> 00:58:22,576
and five billion photographs worth
of fucking awesome times in look back on.
1172
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:27,147
He's like the greatest
thrash metal frontman of all time,
1173
00:58:27,289 --> 00:58:29,087
and he made one album, twice.
1174
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,264
We were all by his bedside
in the hospital,
1175
00:58:41,369 --> 00:58:44,669
and Rick and I lowered
him into the ground, you know.
1176
00:58:45,173 --> 00:58:46,504
Fuck, you know, I miss him.
1177
00:58:51,846 --> 00:58:52,972
The legend.
1178
00:58:53,114 --> 00:58:55,048
- I miss him every day.
- See you, buddy.
1179
00:59:02,357 --> 00:59:04,951
In the mid 1980s,
Lars and James lived
1180
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:08,052
at the infamous Metallica mansion
in El Cerrito.
1181
00:59:08,663 --> 00:59:10,427
Yes, the Metalla-mansion,
1182
00:59:10,532 --> 00:59:14,366
and that is certainly not
one of our cars right there.
1183
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:17,004
That Porsche was not parked there
because of us.
1184
00:59:17,572 --> 00:59:19,267
You know, at least
with the Metallica mansion,
1185
00:59:19,407 --> 00:59:22,570
it was literally almost a straight shot
back from Ruthie's Inn.
1186
00:59:22,711 --> 00:59:24,679
So, like, if there was a show
or whatever at Ruthie's Inn,
1187
00:59:25,213 --> 00:59:29,150
it was a straight shot almost down
San Pablo Avenue back to their house.
1188
00:59:29,417 --> 00:59:31,010
Definitely a bachelor pad.
1189
00:59:31,419 --> 00:59:33,410
You don't dare go into
the bedrooms at all.
1190
00:59:33,722 --> 00:59:36,350
The front room's covered with posters
and beer bottles.
1191
00:59:36,658 --> 00:59:40,788
I remember pulling all the furniture out
the front door right here
1192
00:59:40,895 --> 00:59:42,761
and hosting this party.
1193
00:59:42,897 --> 00:59:46,060
We left the turntable and maybe
a couple chairs, maybe a couch,
1194
00:59:46,201 --> 00:59:49,398
and, uh, obviously the booze.
1195
00:59:49,537 --> 00:59:52,006
So music, booze,
and we would just go insane.
1196
00:59:52,107 --> 00:59:55,099
Wrestling and have these
crazy mosh pits in the house.
1197
00:59:55,277 --> 00:59:57,371
Usually we're out partying
in the streets or whatnot,
1198
00:59:57,512 --> 01:00:00,777
so to actually have a place to go
and hang out was pretty cool.
1199
01:00:06,521 --> 01:00:07,613
Even the Metallica house--
1200
01:00:07,722 --> 01:00:09,554
I think Exodus were there
more than Metallica,
1201
01:00:09,691 --> 01:00:12,626
you know, 'cause they were already
on tour constantly.
1202
01:00:12,761 --> 01:00:16,220
While touring,
lonely Metallica members wrote postcards
1203
01:00:16,364 --> 01:00:18,389
in keep in touch with the scene back home.
1204
01:00:18,533 --> 01:00:19,398
Aww.
1205
01:00:19,534 --> 01:00:20,831
Yeah, postcards, letters,
1206
01:00:20,935 --> 01:00:22,767
that was the only way
you could keep in contact
1207
01:00:22,904 --> 01:00:24,372
We'd get in town and, you know,
1208
01:00:24,472 --> 01:00:27,407
write down what's happening
and--and just send it off.
1209
01:00:27,542 --> 01:00:30,534
All those early Ruthie's Inn shows
1210
01:00:30,645 --> 01:00:33,945
that were kind of laying the inundation
for the Bay Area scene were happening.
1211
01:00:34,082 --> 01:00:37,245
Hey, John, how you doing? We're-
You know-- We're jamming and playing.
1212
01:00:37,385 --> 01:00:41,049
And... OK, we're going in go out
and go party, go drinking.
1213
01:00:41,156 --> 01:00:42,351
And then you'd flip it over.
1214
01:00:42,824 --> 01:00:44,258
Hey, John, it's 2:00 a.m.
1215
01:00:44,759 --> 01:00:46,921
We're here. We're raging.
We're getting drunk.
1216
01:00:47,062 --> 01:00:49,156
We're drinking beers
and hanging out with Venom.
1217
01:00:49,497 --> 01:00:53,832
Metal up your ass, right-slack Marshall,
Lars Ulrich, drummer in parentheses.
1218
01:00:53,968 --> 01:00:56,335
In hindsight, it was probably them
dealing with all the shit
1219
01:00:56,471 --> 01:00:58,667
that was happening with them. You know,
they were going to the next level,
1220
01:00:58,807 --> 01:01:00,468
thousand of miles away from home.
1221
01:01:00,608 --> 01:01:03,202
Being away from home,
being away from your friends,
1222
01:01:03,311 --> 01:01:06,303
being a-away from your girlfriend.
It was a big deal.
1223
01:01:06,448 --> 01:01:09,907
And they liked to write letters.
You know, back then we all wrote letters.
1224
01:01:10,085 --> 01:01:13,350
Flying the flag for the Bay Area
in San Francisco in the scene.
1225
01:01:13,455 --> 01:01:17,221
So it was important [or us
in, uh, stay in touch with everybody
1226
01:01:17,325 --> 01:01:19,191
that was back at home, holding the fort.
1227
01:01:19,327 --> 01:01:20,453
See if you know this one.
1228
01:01:20,595 --> 01:01:22,529
I want you all in scream it back at me!
1229
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:23,597
This is tilled,
1230
01:01:23,865 --> 01:01:27,995
"Seek and Destroy!"
1231
01:01:28,837 --> 01:01:32,034
[Playing "Seek and destroy
1232
01:01:41,616 --> 01:01:45,780
Cliff would write me really
long letters from Copenhagen
1233
01:01:47,188 --> 01:01:49,555
in his horrible writing
1234
01:01:49,691 --> 01:01:53,025
and just talk about
how good things were going.
1235
01:01:53,294 --> 01:01:54,659
This tour is great.
1236
01:01:55,830 --> 01:01:57,628
First Aardschok festival I called Lars.
1237
01:01:57,732 --> 01:02:02,067
If he wanted to open up for my festival
because I thought it was a great band.
1238
01:02:02,203 --> 01:02:05,195
You know, I'd send them money
for plane tickets and stuff.
1239
01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:06,830
Ii definitely
made a big impression.
1240
01:02:06,975 --> 01:02:10,809
You could already tell that
these guys were going to go somewhere.
1241
01:02:10,912 --> 01:02:13,438
Everybody knew. I mean, we all knew.
1242
01:02:13,581 --> 01:02:16,380
Some old black and white pictures
of Metallica at that show.
1243
01:02:16,518 --> 01:02:19,647
They were so nervous there
around that time to do the show.
1244
01:02:19,988 --> 01:02:23,424
Even though, you know, they were away,
they were still part of the scene.
1245
01:02:23,525 --> 01:02:25,857
You heard that the band
was blowing people away,
1246
01:02:25,994 --> 01:02:27,587
just like they did when they started here.
1247
01:02:27,695 --> 01:02:30,858
♪ Our brains are on fire
With the feeling to kill I
1248
01:02:30,999 --> 01:02:34,162
♪ And it won't go away
Until our dreams are fulfilled ♪
1249
01:02:34,269 --> 01:02:36,966
♪ There is only one thing on our minds ♪
1250
01:02:37,105 --> 01:02:40,370
♪ Don'! Try running away
'Cause you're the one we will find ♪
1251
01:02:40,508 --> 01:02:41,942
♪ Running
On our way ♪
1252
01:02:42,043 --> 01:02:43,511
♪ Hiding
You will pay I
1253
01:02:43,611 --> 01:02:45,602
♪ Dying
One thousand deaths I
1254
01:02:47,081 --> 01:02:48,879
Lars said no. We didn't have the cover.
1255
01:02:49,017 --> 01:02:50,712
It was just Kirk on there.
1256
01:02:50,919 --> 01:02:52,751
Tapes were being copied the next day,
1257
01:02:52,887 --> 01:02:57,381
and they were sent to Germany, Belgium,
France, all over the world.
1258
01:02:58,593 --> 01:03:00,186
♪ Running
On our way ♪
1259
01:03:00,295 --> 01:03:01,660
♪ Hiding
You will pay I
1260
01:03:01,796 --> 01:03:02,957
♪ Dying ♪
1261
01:03:05,567 --> 01:03:08,332
It wasn't really
until James started getting
1262
01:03:08,436 --> 01:03:12,270
some European shows under his belt
in the spring of 1984,
1263
01:03:12,574 --> 01:03:16,738
where he started being able to
sort of command the big, European crowds.
1264
01:03:17,045 --> 01:03:19,571
That's when he became
James Hetfield, the frontman.
1265
01:03:19,714 --> 01:03:22,547
Are we fucking nuts tonight!
1266
01:03:24,552 --> 01:03:25,713
This was certainly not
1267
01:03:25,820 --> 01:03:28,187
the shy kid that was in high school,
hating life.
1268
01:03:28,556 --> 01:03:32,356
This was the kid that
finally found his voice
1269
01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:36,260
and got to be in a band
that was able to help express it [or him.
1270
01:03:39,968 --> 01:03:41,265
We were very aware
1271
01:03:41,402 --> 01:03:43,029
there was something brewing in
San Francisco
1272
01:03:43,137 --> 01:03:44,969
that was a little heavier,
a little angrier.
1273
01:03:45,106 --> 01:03:48,076
Uh, Exodus, you know,
were definitely part of that.
1274
01:03:48,176 --> 01:03:50,508
Blown away
by what he saw in the Bay Area,
1275
01:03:50,645 --> 01:03:53,342
Andre Verhuysen booked Exodus
into the Dynamo Club.
1276
01:03:53,915 --> 01:03:57,442
The show has passed into legend
spread by numerous bootlegs.
1277
01:03:57,585 --> 01:04:00,020
I want to dedicate
this one to Andre over here.
1278
01:04:00,188 --> 01:04:02,282
Who's here because of Andre?
1279
01:04:02,423 --> 01:04:05,256
That was Exodus's first tour of Europe.
1280
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,988
The only club show
they did was at the Dynamo,
1281
01:04:08,129 --> 01:04:11,155
and they did 300 or 350 people
by themselves.
1282
01:04:11,332 --> 01:04:14,962
More people in there than
I think officially were allowed,
1283
01:04:15,103 --> 01:04:16,730
maybe three times as much,
1284
01:04:16,838 --> 01:04:18,636
because everybody wanted
to see those bands,
1285
01:04:18,773 --> 01:04:21,401
and Dynamo Club was
the only place you could see them.
1286
01:04:42,163 --> 01:04:42,473
From my pen pals, Brian Lew
and Andy Airborne Anderson,
1287
01:04:42,497 --> 01:04:45,865
From my pen pals, Brian Lew
and Andy Airborne Anderson,
1288
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,095
who was very close with Exodus,
I got some live tapes, you know.
1289
01:04:49,203 --> 01:04:52,696
And we were fascinated.
They were even faster than Metallica.
1290
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,138
They were even a little bit more intense.
1291
01:04:55,243 --> 01:04:59,612
Word got out, and word by mouth is
the strongest promotion that you can get.
1292
01:04:59,814 --> 01:05:01,782
While Metallica were away touring,
1293
01:05:01,883 --> 01:05:04,147
Pam and Connie were
house-sitting the mansion.
1294
01:05:04,252 --> 01:05:07,017
We had son of screwed up
their finances along the way.
1295
01:05:07,155 --> 01:05:09,021
We weren't very good
at balancing checkbooks.
1296
01:05:09,157 --> 01:05:10,591
Mark had just left
the checkbook and, uh...
1297
01:05:10,692 --> 01:05:13,320
He left a checkbook
that was signed with checks,
1298
01:05:13,428 --> 01:05:17,387
and we were just supposed to deposit money
and then give them the checks.
1299
01:05:17,565 --> 01:05:20,694
I had to go in my
very conservative, Republican mom and dad
1300
01:05:20,835 --> 01:05:23,202
and ask for them to bail out Metallica.
1301
01:05:23,338 --> 01:05:26,638
So I like to say that my mom,
Mike and Carole Bryant
1302
01:05:26,741 --> 01:05:28,368
sort of saved
the Metallica band.
1303
01:05:28,509 --> 01:05:30,500
- Sorry, guys.
- So there you go.
1304
01:05:30,612 --> 01:05:33,047
- It all worked out.
- It all worked out, yeah.
1305
01:05:35,116 --> 01:05:37,642
New bands were
rising everywhere in the Bay Area,
1306
01:05:37,785 --> 01:05:39,753
inspired by the scene they were living in.
1307
01:05:40,121 --> 01:05:44,285
Bands like Testament, Death Angel,
Vio-lence, Forbidden,
1308
01:05:44,425 --> 01:05:47,053
and Possessed all made
their mark on the metal scene.
1309
01:05:47,195 --> 01:05:50,722
Each year there'd be a band
that would kind of step up
1310
01:05:50,865 --> 01:05:54,631
into the role of being able to headline
a show at, say, Ruthie's or the Stone.
1311
01:05:54,969 --> 01:05:56,733
Metallica came out with Kill 'Em All,
1312
01:05:56,871 --> 01:05:58,737
and they were doing
the Kill 'Em All For One tour.
1313
01:05:58,906 --> 01:06:00,340
We stood right on the edge of the pit,
1314
01:06:00,441 --> 01:06:05,709
and we head-banged for the entire
fucking show when it was Cliff Burton,
1315
01:06:05,813 --> 01:06:07,838
and he's doing "Anesthesia Pulling Teeth.'
1316
01:06:07,982 --> 01:06:09,916
We're like--
These guys are fucking amazing.
1317
01:06:10,418 --> 01:06:12,716
And the whole way home it was like,
1318
01:06:13,154 --> 01:06:15,816
we're going to start a band,
we're going to start playing shows,
1319
01:06:15,957 --> 01:06:16,924
and we're going in play thrash.
1320
01:06:17,659 --> 01:06:19,787
All those people would be going
to the shows at Ruthie's
1321
01:06:19,927 --> 01:06:21,417
in the Bay Area clubs and stuff,
1322
01:06:21,796 --> 01:06:25,232
and, uh, basically they kind of looked up
on siege and said- I can do that.
1323
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,597
You always hear the old cats
talk about the Beatles on Ed Sullivan,
1324
01:06:29,103 --> 01:06:31,299
and, you know, how they picked up
a guitar after they saw that.
1325
01:06:31,439 --> 01:06:34,636
That was my Beatles/Ed Sullivan moment,
1326
01:06:34,809 --> 01:06:38,109
but if we wanted to be something,
if we wanted to matter,
1327
01:06:38,246 --> 01:06:40,374
we had to get into Ruthie's.
1328
01:06:40,481 --> 01:06:43,849
And if we could survive Ruthie's,
and not get killed,
1329
01:06:44,118 --> 01:06:45,984
and not get booed off the stage,
1330
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,986
and not get the mike ripped down
in front of it
1331
01:06:48,122 --> 01:06:51,285
like people were prone to do,
and survive the Slay Team,
1332
01:06:51,859 --> 01:06:53,725
then that would be the ultimate.
1333
01:06:56,431 --> 01:07:00,595
You can't tell the story
of the San Francisco metal scene
1334
01:07:00,702 --> 01:07:03,399
without talking about Debbie Abono.
1335
01:07:03,538 --> 01:07:08,806
She managed one of the most hardcore bands
to come out of the Bay Area,
1336
01:07:08,943 --> 01:07:12,641
which was Possessed, you know,
super Satanic speed metal.
1337
01:07:12,847 --> 01:07:14,281
This is metal mom right here.
1338
01:07:14,482 --> 01:07:17,679
I know there's a few
metal moms across the globe,
1339
01:07:18,019 --> 01:07:19,350
but this was ours.
1340
01:07:19,854 --> 01:07:21,982
I broke my leg at a DRI show.
1341
01:07:22,123 --> 01:07:24,285
She basically nursed me
back to health at her house.
1342
01:07:24,459 --> 01:07:28,418
She was the mom of the scene, you know!
Every show she'd be there for every band.
1343
01:07:29,163 --> 01:07:33,157
She lived at a house in Penal,
and after parties we'd be at her house.
1344
01:07:33,334 --> 01:07:36,531
She really saw
everybody in that scene as human,
1345
01:07:36,671 --> 01:07:39,436
whereas there was a lot of demonization.
1346
01:07:40,675 --> 01:07:43,645
Of the-- you know, the youth.
1347
01:07:43,745 --> 01:07:46,908
She knew that we needed a safe place,
1348
01:07:47,181 --> 01:07:49,616
and Debbie Abono's house
was always a safe place.
1349
01:07:49,817 --> 01:07:50,807
You know, a party would--
1350
01:07:50,918 --> 01:07:53,080
- Last a couple of days.
- Last a couple days.
1351
01:07:53,221 --> 01:07:55,349
I know sometimes I'd be going
in school the next day,
1352
01:07:55,490 --> 01:08:00,291
walking through the people
who were still hanging out at my house.
1353
01:08:00,428 --> 01:08:02,419
They all knew that
Debbie would take care of them
1354
01:08:02,563 --> 01:08:04,156
- if they didn't have anywhere to go.
- Mm-hmm.
1355
01:08:04,265 --> 01:08:06,063
The word-of-mouth
kind of got-- 'Cause you go--
1356
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,328
Hey, I need this
or I need that for my band.
1357
01:08:08,436 --> 01:08:10,200
And my mom would go out
and gel it for you.
1358
01:08:10,371 --> 01:08:12,237
For me personally, she helped me a ton.
1359
01:08:13,007 --> 01:08:16,136
I started taking guitar lessons
from Joe Satriani. I couldn't afford it.
1360
01:08:16,244 --> 01:08:18,906
She paid for it, and, you know,
I couldn't thank her enough.
1361
01:08:19,046 --> 01:08:21,208
There's no way I'd be anywhere
I was right now without Debbie,
1362
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:24,842
so, you know, I'm eternally grateful
for everything she did.
1363
01:08:25,019 --> 01:08:29,047
For young, 16-year-old Larry Lalonde,
he's in tenth grade in high school,
1364
01:08:29,791 --> 01:08:30,815
and they have a record out.
1365
01:08:30,958 --> 01:08:35,259
You know, imagine being a tenth-grader,
and you have an actual album.
1366
01:08:35,396 --> 01:08:37,888
And you're playing in clubs.
1367
01:08:38,032 --> 01:08:39,557
I remember kind of showing up
at high school and going like--
1368
01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:41,668
"Hey, I've got a record,"
and them being like-- "Yeah, big deal."
1369
01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:44,238
Like, people kind of being like--
What, you think you're hot shit now?
1370
01:08:44,372 --> 01:08:47,398
Then-then she'd get tapes
constantly in the mail.
1371
01:08:47,542 --> 01:08:50,136
She'd gel hundreds of them
from other bands,
1372
01:08:50,244 --> 01:08:51,871
wanting her to manage them.
1373
01:08:51,979 --> 01:08:54,004
Really looked out for everybody, you know?
1374
01:08:54,215 --> 01:08:57,480
And when she managed Forbidden,
she-she would go on tour.
1375
01:08:57,585 --> 01:09:01,215
I think she was 57 years old
when she was doing this.
1376
01:09:01,322 --> 01:09:04,952
I mean, just going out on tour in a van
for two months across America
1377
01:09:05,092 --> 01:09:07,288
at 57 years old.
1378
01:09:07,428 --> 01:09:09,396
You know, like, that's fucking crazy.
1379
01:09:09,931 --> 01:09:14,232
And it's everything that--
the honors probably that you've heard of.
1380
01:09:14,468 --> 01:09:16,835
She put up with a lot of shenanigans
from us, you know?
1381
01:09:16,971 --> 01:09:19,838
Uh, one time I guess they had, like,
a porno magazine in the back of the-
1382
01:09:19,974 --> 01:09:20,907
in the back of the van,
1383
01:09:21,008 --> 01:09:25,002
and they, uh, taped a bunch of pictures
to the inside windows of the van.
1384
01:09:25,146 --> 01:09:27,274
And we come pulling into a gas station,
1385
01:09:27,415 --> 01:09:30,578
and here's this grandma, you know,
this-this older lady, pulling in.
1386
01:09:30,685 --> 01:09:33,279
And then here's the most
obscene pictures on the windows.
1387
01:09:33,421 --> 01:09:34,889
And she couldn't believe
we'd do that stuff.
1388
01:09:51,339 --> 01:09:53,603
I always considered us
the third wave of thrash.
1389
01:09:53,708 --> 01:09:57,042
So it's like Metallica, Slayer,
and Exodus was the first wave.
1390
01:09:57,178 --> 01:10:00,842
And then Testament, Death Angel,
and Vio-lence, Forbidden.
1391
01:10:00,982 --> 01:10:05,180
I started auditioning and just went
from band to band to band, you know?
1392
01:10:05,353 --> 01:10:07,185
And finally it clicked
with Forbidden Evil.
1393
01:10:07,622 --> 01:10:10,057
A band that young could get
a show at Ruthie's Inn,
1394
01:10:10,157 --> 01:10:12,091
and no one would bat an eye.
1395
01:10:12,193 --> 01:10:14,059
We're hanging out at,
like, Ruthie's Inn and the Stone.
1396
01:10:14,195 --> 01:10:16,562
We're not supposed to be there,
because we're 14.
1397
01:10:16,731 --> 01:10:21,032
My first show ever was November 24, 1984,
Megadeth and Death Angel.
1398
01:10:21,202 --> 01:10:23,671
When they were loading in, you know,
we were making fun of them.
1399
01:10:23,804 --> 01:10:25,829
Like, you know,
your mom's driving you in the show.
1400
01:10:26,007 --> 01:10:27,372
Then we'd get all pissed off.
1401
01:10:27,508 --> 01:10:29,442
Why do they always refer
to us as just so young and stuff
1402
01:10:29,543 --> 01:10:31,136
and just focusing on
the fad that we're young?
1403
01:10:31,245 --> 01:10:34,442
It was hard to put a band together,
especially if you're 15.
1404
01:10:34,849 --> 01:10:38,285
I also knew that if I could
just gel through one show,
1405
01:10:38,386 --> 01:10:40,855
it'll be a positive experience.
I need to do this.
1406
01:10:41,022 --> 01:10:42,512
Alex history-- I'm sure he told you.
1407
01:10:42,657 --> 01:10:45,092
You know, he's 15
and didn't have teenage years.
1408
01:10:45,192 --> 01:10:49,129
He toured the whole time, you know,
from the first record in the fifth record.
1409
01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:51,824
We did a record every year
and toured ever year:
1410
01:10:51,933 --> 01:10:52,957
five records, five years.
1411
01:10:53,434 --> 01:10:56,768
Possessed is credited
with starting the death metal genre.
1412
01:10:56,904 --> 01:10:59,168
You know,
the whole Satanic theme was kind of funny.
1413
01:10:59,273 --> 01:11:00,934
I don't think anyone
was actually into Satan.
1414
01:11:01,075 --> 01:11:03,874
It just freaked people out, so.
1415
01:11:13,354 --> 01:11:14,822
In August 1985,
1416
01:11:14,922 --> 01:11:18,722
Metallica played Bill Graham's
legendary Day on the Green festival.
1417
01:11:18,859 --> 01:11:22,489
On a bill that featured
Scorpions and Yngwie Malmsteen,
1418
01:11:22,596 --> 01:11:24,530
Metallica stole the show.
1419
01:11:24,966 --> 01:11:27,060
I was there. It was insane.
1420
01:11:27,702 --> 01:11:31,036
Did we all come here
in kick some fucking ass or what?
1421
01:11:31,138 --> 01:11:35,302
The fact that Metallica got
a chance to play at Donington
1422
01:11:35,443 --> 01:11:37,571
and then two weeks later
at Day on the Green
1423
01:11:37,712 --> 01:11:39,976
was just a total mind fuck.
1424
01:11:40,114 --> 01:11:43,140
Me, what I remember
is going in there kind of cold,
1425
01:11:43,284 --> 01:11:44,911
not really knowing what's going on
1426
01:11:45,052 --> 01:11:50,684
but blown away
at the consumer satisfaction.
1427
01:11:50,825 --> 01:11:56,764
The audience had so fervently embraced
this from the minute that band set stage
1428
01:11:57,098 --> 01:12:00,625
that it wasn't even a matter
of whether I understood it or not.
1429
01:12:00,768 --> 01:12:03,465
I could tell that these
people understood it,
1430
01:12:03,604 --> 01:12:06,403
and I witnessed the extraordinary
fervor and enthusiasm.
1431
01:12:06,507 --> 01:12:08,373
It was hard not to be swept up in it.
1432
01:12:08,642 --> 01:12:11,942
With most other bands,
bass is sort of a background role,
1433
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,442
but with that version of Metallica,
1434
01:12:15,816 --> 01:12:17,306
it was featured.
1435
01:12:20,521 --> 01:12:23,456
Cliff had a very serious
attack to his strings.
1436
01:12:23,591 --> 01:12:26,959
His technique was very abrasive,
and there was a lot of power in it.
1437
01:12:27,094 --> 01:12:30,291
It was almost like this punk attitude
coming out of his fingertips,
1438
01:12:30,431 --> 01:12:34,868
and yet he was very graceful
with his connection to classical music.
1439
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,548
It can't be overstated
what a huge moment that was
1440
01:12:50,684 --> 01:12:54,279
for not just Metallica
but for the whole Bay Area scene.
1441
01:12:54,488 --> 01:12:56,422
The fact that Metallica
were playing at Day on the Green,
1442
01:12:56,624 --> 01:12:58,558
it was like all of us
were playing Day on the Green.
1443
01:12:58,959 --> 01:13:01,621
Day on the Green
has been around since the '70s.
1444
01:13:01,896 --> 01:13:05,594
For us to be asked to be part of it.
Didn't care where we were on the bill.
1445
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:11,432
Rat! Was placed above Metallica,
which was sacrilegious, to say the least.
1446
01:13:11,639 --> 01:13:15,576
So I painted this banner
with, you know, Metallica logo
1447
01:13:15,676 --> 01:13:19,271
crushing down on this rat
that was flipped upside down
1448
01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:21,144
with a little spiked wristband,
1449
01:13:21,248 --> 01:13:23,512
and it was sitting next to
a thing that said rat poison.
1450
01:13:24,251 --> 01:13:29,417
And I got berated by a couple
overweight ladies in spandex.
1451
01:13:29,824 --> 01:13:32,759
You know, fucking Metallica came out,
and they just took over.
1452
01:13:34,829 --> 01:13:38,788
As soon as they got on stage,
it was the stone in the pond.
1453
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,628
Concentric circles of violence
spread throughout.
1454
01:13:44,071 --> 01:13:47,837
I remember standing there stage left
and going there's Metallica,
1455
01:13:47,942 --> 01:13:49,467
and there's 60,000 people.
1456
01:13:49,610 --> 01:13:52,477
H's 1985.
It's like, yeah, this is really cool.
1457
01:13:52,613 --> 01:13:56,106
♪ Make his fight on the hill
In the early day ♪
1458
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:58,412
♪ Constant chill deep inside ♪
1459
01:14:00,921 --> 01:14:03,083
I don't think anyone had seen a mosh pit,
1460
01:14:03,390 --> 01:14:06,485
and it didn't occur to me to go,
"And there's going to be a mosh pit"
1461
01:14:09,263 --> 01:14:11,732
♪ For whom the bell tolls ♪
1462
01:14:11,866 --> 01:14:16,201
So for the both of us,
in be there onstage on Day on the Green,
1463
01:14:16,303 --> 01:14:18,431
it was a huge accomplishment.
1464
01:14:21,909 --> 01:14:25,573
The whole metal community
was excited and supporting us,
1465
01:14:25,713 --> 01:14:29,411
especially for Cliff,
being from the Bay Area,
1466
01:14:29,717 --> 01:14:30,912
it was like heaven for him.
1467
01:14:31,051 --> 01:14:34,749
Everyone knows
about that worldwide, so, he was excited.
1468
01:14:41,061 --> 01:14:44,361
After the Day on the Green show,
we did our normal stuff, you know?
1469
01:14:44,498 --> 01:14:47,126
James and I went out
in the crowd in throw fruit.
1470
01:14:47,268 --> 01:14:49,362
Fred Rotten Cotton
and a few of the others,
1471
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:52,598
you know, had some beverages
and just went crazy.
1472
01:14:52,773 --> 01:14:56,710
Took avocados and crammed through,
uh, vents. Air-conditioning vents.
1473
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:58,335
Just wrecked the backstage dressing room.
1474
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,675
You know, you're supposed in
trash shit, you know.
1475
01:15:01,081 --> 01:15:02,173
So we did. We destroyed it.
1476
01:15:07,454 --> 01:15:10,617
I called the Metallica house,
and James answered the phone.
1477
01:15:11,025 --> 01:15:13,892
I was like, "We--
We're in trouble."
1478
01:15:14,028 --> 01:15:18,966
Had no clue that, you know, there's a-
there's another day after ours.
1479
01:15:19,099 --> 01:15:21,033
You know, another band
has to use your trailer.
1480
01:15:21,635 --> 01:15:24,104
You're going to have
in go over there and talk to Bill.
1481
01:15:24,271 --> 01:15:26,569
I was like-- Oh, shit.
Like I'm being called in.
1482
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,618
He sat me down and said, "Hey, I know
you're a rock and roll band at head,
1483
01:15:29,643 --> 01:15:30,701
He sat me down and said, "Hey, I know
you're a rock and roll band at head,
1484
01:15:30,811 --> 01:15:33,075
and, you know, breaking shit
and destroying things, you know,
1485
01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:34,375
it might be fun for a little bit
1486
01:15:34,515 --> 01:15:36,643
What would you do if..
1487
01:15:36,784 --> 01:15:39,219
People came in your home
and behaved this way?
1488
01:15:39,353 --> 01:15:42,789
And James goes,
"Well, pretty much they do every weekend"
1489
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:44,483
I didn't quite get what
he was trying to say.
1490
01:15:44,858 --> 01:15:48,488
And he said, "You guys are talented,
and you're on a path to destruction"
1491
01:15:48,696 --> 01:15:49,822
He knew.
1492
01:15:50,064 --> 01:15:54,729
He said, "I've had this same talk
with Sid Vicious and with Keith Moon,
1493
01:15:55,236 --> 01:15:57,102
and they didn't listen.
1494
01:15:59,506 --> 01:16:01,201
Maybe you'll listen, maybe not."
1495
01:16:01,575 --> 01:16:05,011
What really happened
was James totally manned up,
1496
01:16:05,713 --> 01:16:07,657
and Bill completely respected it.
1497
01:16:07,681 --> 01:16:08,113
And Bill completely respected it.
1498
01:16:08,515 --> 01:16:11,177
So I said,
"You know, I'm young. I'm stupid.
1499
01:16:11,318 --> 01:16:13,980
And thanks [or that.
1500
01:16:14,521 --> 01:16:16,785
I appreciate the talk,
and I'll do my best."
1501
01:16:16,924 --> 01:16:19,894
Years later he would go in me,
"How's James?"
1502
01:16:20,027 --> 01:16:22,826
I'm like- Well, I haven't really
talked to him lately,
1503
01:16:22,930 --> 01:16:23,897
but I'm sure he's fine.
1504
01:16:24,598 --> 01:16:26,676
To this day I still never
said thank you to him,
1505
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:28,065
To this day I still never
said thank you to him,
1506
01:16:28,369 --> 01:16:30,804
because it did enlighten me a little bit.
1507
01:16:30,938 --> 01:16:33,566
He made it right
in the best of his ability.
1508
01:16:34,008 --> 01:16:36,978
The next time we came to play
in the backstage area,
1509
01:16:37,077 --> 01:16:41,173
he put Visqueen, Clear plastic,
over everything.
1510
01:16:41,615 --> 01:16:45,195
The ceiling, the walls,
the floor, the table.
1511
01:16:45,219 --> 01:16:45,708
The ceiling, the walls,
the floor, the table.
1512
01:16:45,853 --> 01:16:48,788
He even wrapped
bottles of beer in it, so...
1513
01:16:48,889 --> 01:16:51,415
it would be protected.
1514
01:16:51,558 --> 01:16:55,426
1986 was
an ear-shattering year for thrash metal.
1515
01:16:55,562 --> 01:16:57,826
Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer,
1516
01:16:57,931 --> 01:17:01,390
followed by Anthrax,
all released landmark albums.
1517
01:17:01,869 --> 01:17:04,065
I was asking Lars where this was taken,
1518
01:17:04,938 --> 01:17:07,532
and he says,
"I'm pretty sure it was in Copenhagen."
1519
01:17:15,883 --> 01:17:21,151
He would wake up
and put on his little boxer shorts.
1520
01:17:21,255 --> 01:17:23,233
And he had a little amp
and his white guitar.
1521
01:17:23,257 --> 01:17:24,349
And he had a little amp
and his white guitar.
1522
01:17:24,458 --> 01:17:26,153
And it looked like a Gibson,
but it wasn't.
1523
01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:27,283
And he would play.
1524
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:31,228
He could not wait to get on the road.
1525
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,469
And Cliff was excited.
As much as he didn't want to go to Europe,
1526
01:17:35,602 --> 01:17:36,569
It was a short tour.
1527
01:17:36,670 --> 01:17:38,764
He wanted me to look at houses.
1528
01:17:38,906 --> 01:17:42,171
At this point we had really developed
and we were going to live together.
1529
01:17:42,776 --> 01:17:46,440
So he wanted me to look at houses
just around, in the East Bay.
1530
01:17:46,980 --> 01:17:49,449
On September 26th, 1986,
1531
01:17:49,583 --> 01:17:52,211
Metallica played a show
in Stockholm, Sweden
1532
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:54,344
supported by their friends, Anthrax.
1533
01:17:54,788 --> 01:17:56,984
Anthrax went on ahead to the next show.
1534
01:17:57,658 --> 01:17:59,023
Metallica never made it.
1535
01:17:59,660 --> 01:18:00,771
In the early hours of September 27th,
1536
01:18:00,794 --> 01:18:02,125
In the early hours of September 27th,
1537
01:18:02,262 --> 01:18:05,357
their tour bus crashed,
and Cliff Burton was killed.
1538
01:18:06,166 --> 01:18:07,930
He was 24 years old.
1539
01:18:09,203 --> 01:18:13,401
I went home and started calling Cliff
in Sweden at the hotel.
1540
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:14,803
I had the itinerary.
1541
01:18:15,976 --> 01:18:17,603
Oh, no, they haven't checked in yet.
1542
01:18:17,711 --> 01:18:19,543
OK, that's weird.
1543
01:18:22,616 --> 01:18:24,209
Try again an hour later.
1544
01:18:26,653 --> 01:18:28,018
That's when she told me.
1545
01:18:28,188 --> 01:18:29,519
And I--
1546
01:18:30,057 --> 01:18:33,755
It just» It was" It wasn't even real.
It wasn't possible.
1547
01:18:33,894 --> 01:18:35,885
So I immediately called Cliff's parents.
1548
01:18:38,632 --> 01:18:38,808
I didn't want to be
with anyone else, you know,
1549
01:18:38,832 --> 01:18:40,732
I didn't want to be
with anyone else, you know,
1550
01:18:40,834 --> 01:18:44,998
wanted to be with his parents
and smell his things.
1551
01:18:46,907 --> 01:18:49,001
We don't sit back and--and say,
1552
01:18:49,143 --> 01:18:52,977
Oh, I hope we're big next year
or I hope this or hope that.
1553
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,414
We just go and do it
and don't put a lot of thought into...
1554
01:18:57,217 --> 01:18:57,327
what might happen or what could happen.
1555
01:18:57,351 --> 01:18:59,342
What might happen or what could happen.
1556
01:18:59,753 --> 01:19:01,915
We try not to think
too much about the future.
1557
01:19:05,426 --> 01:19:08,123
Cliff was such a character,
1558
01:19:08,262 --> 01:19:11,061
and he was with us
for that short amount of time.
1559
01:19:12,332 --> 01:19:14,164
Thank God there were some people filming
1560
01:19:14,268 --> 01:19:16,346
and there were friends around
that had cameras.
1561
01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:16,461
And there were friends around
that had cameras.
1562
01:19:18,005 --> 01:19:20,133
To respect that time greatly.
1563
01:19:21,442 --> 01:19:24,309
I am so glad that he was in my life
1564
01:19:24,445 --> 01:19:26,971
and I got in share--
share sometimes with him.
1565
01:19:27,548 --> 01:19:30,176
Someone so close and someone who...
1566
01:19:31,418 --> 01:19:33,386
I saw my future with.
1567
01:19:34,087 --> 01:19:35,364
And it was-- it was awful.
1568
01:19:35,389 --> 01:19:36,356
And it was-- it was awful.
1569
01:19:36,457 --> 01:19:37,754
It was just awful.
1570
01:19:37,891 --> 01:19:40,519
Most of us were so young
b-back then that we, uh...
1571
01:19:40,627 --> 01:19:42,425
we really hadn't dealt with death before.
1572
01:19:43,630 --> 01:19:46,827
The first thing I did,
I got up, and I headed out In the Vault,
1573
01:19:46,967 --> 01:19:48,958
because I was working
the next day at the store.
1574
01:19:49,136 --> 01:19:51,571
From the minute that we opened the door,
1575
01:19:51,705 --> 01:19:54,140
it was a constant flood
of people coming in.
1576
01:19:54,641 --> 01:19:57,235
It was the place where
people came in grieve.
1577
01:19:57,377 --> 01:20:01,211
It was the place where people came
to reflect and tell stories.
1578
01:20:01,615 --> 01:20:05,210
And it was almost
the perfect place to find out,
1579
01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:08,983
because it was home for all of the scene,
1580
01:20:09,122 --> 01:20:11,454
also [or him and those guys.
1581
01:20:12,759 --> 01:20:12,901
What made us survive it was
that community of those--those thrashers.
1582
01:20:12,926 --> 01:20:18,524
What made us survive it was
that community of those--those thrashers.
1583
01:20:19,333 --> 01:20:23,827
No one ever thought about
the perils of rock and roll
1584
01:20:23,971 --> 01:20:28,465
or the fact that tour buses crash
and, you know, people die out there
1585
01:20:28,609 --> 01:20:31,922
doing what we were all aspired to do,
and doing what he ultimately loved.
1586
01:20:31,945 --> 01:20:33,913
Doing what we were all aspired to do,
and doing what he ultimately loved.
1587
01:20:35,015 --> 01:20:36,312
I know we felt bad,
1588
01:20:36,450 --> 01:20:39,750
but I could only imagine
what each one of them personally felt.
1589
01:20:40,587 --> 01:20:43,249
Yeah, it was a terrible time.
A terrible thing.
1590
01:20:45,192 --> 01:20:48,492
What I know about Cliff
was that he was a very gentle soul,
1591
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:50,941
and we laughed.
1592
01:20:50,964 --> 01:20:51,829
And we laughed.
1593
01:20:52,165 --> 01:20:53,428
Man, we would laugh.
1594
01:20:54,001 --> 01:20:56,493
You can't ask more from your kids,
1595
01:20:57,004 --> 01:21:02,272
particularly when you--
you don't have to say much to them.
1596
01:21:02,376 --> 01:21:05,710
They, uh-- Cliff would just decide--
1597
01:21:05,846 --> 01:21:08,645
He knew on his own
what was right and what was wrong,
1598
01:21:09,683 --> 01:21:11,173
and he...
1599
01:21:11,885 --> 01:21:15,344
practiced it
just like he'd practice his music.
1600
01:21:22,062 --> 01:21:24,759
People forget what you do this.
1601
01:21:25,032 --> 01:21:28,478
It's because think back in those days when
you guys were in a shitty rehearsal room.
1602
01:21:28,502 --> 01:21:29,833
It's because think back in those days when
you guys were in a shitty rehearsal room.
1603
01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:32,940
Nothing else mattered
but just making something.
1604
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,474
That's all you lived for.
1605
01:21:35,042 --> 01:21:37,409
So Metal Allegiance,
we're just the guys from the neighborhood.
1606
01:21:37,544 --> 01:21:39,672
We're the friends that all shared
the same record collection.
1607
01:21:40,013 --> 01:21:41,447
It was just a great spirit.
1608
01:21:41,548 --> 01:21:44,540
And, uh, we-we said, you know,
maybe we should make a record.
1609
01:21:44,685 --> 01:21:45,709
Just to see what it sounds like
1610
01:21:45,852 --> 01:21:47,496
if all of us can actually
write and record some music together.
1611
01:21:47,521 --> 01:21:47,885
If all of us can actually
write and record some music together.
1612
01:21:53,594 --> 01:21:55,688
The marching orders
for that record, though,
1613
01:21:55,829 --> 01:21:57,126
is we're writing a thrash metal record.
1614
01:21:57,431 --> 01:21:59,695
Obviously Alex is involved in that scene.
1615
01:22:00,067 --> 01:22:01,262
We're getting Mark Osegueda,
1616
01:22:02,102 --> 01:22:03,934
Gary Holt, and Chuck Billy.
1617
01:22:04,204 --> 01:22:06,070
We're getting the Bay Area's best.
1618
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:06,515
You would hope this happens everywhere,
1619
01:22:06,540 --> 01:22:09,874
You would hope this happens everywhere,
1620
01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:11,671
but we're like,
you know, do you think it does?
1621
01:22:11,778 --> 01:22:14,042
Like, no, it's the Bay Area.
It's a special place,
1622
01:22:14,181 --> 01:22:17,151
and we've got some special people
that are backing each other.
1623
01:22:17,718 --> 01:22:21,382
♪ Staring me in my eyes
You can't kill the devil ♪
1624
01:22:21,521 --> 01:22:22,352
IND ♪
1625
01:22:22,456 --> 01:22:24,254
♪ Cause evil always lies I
1626
01:22:24,458 --> 01:22:25,034
♪ Strength, determination ♪
1627
01:22:25,058 --> 01:22:27,026
♪ Strength, determination ♪
1628
01:22:27,194 --> 01:22:29,390
♪ Finding freedom in my children's soul I
1629
01:22:29,563 --> 01:22:31,725
♪ My time has come, my time is now ♪
1630
01:22:31,865 --> 01:22:34,232
♪ Justice sewed on fictitious vows ♪
1631
01:22:35,902 --> 01:22:36,869
♪ Kill ♪
1632
01:22:37,237 --> 01:22:38,068
♪ Kill ♪
1633
01:22:38,538 --> 01:22:39,369
♪ Kill ♪
1634
01:22:39,806 --> 01:22:40,637
♪ Kill ♪
1635
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,905
Why don't we ever get to do
any jams with people, you know?
1636
01:22:49,049 --> 01:22:51,882
And I got approached,
I'm like- Absolutely, please.
1637
01:22:52,219 --> 01:22:55,018
♪ Pledging your allegiance
Look me in the face ♪
1638
01:22:55,122 --> 01:22:57,784
♪ Walking through flooded gates
Show your true disgrace ♪
1639
01:22:57,924 --> 01:23:00,552
I Flash a tearless smile
Going to great lengths I'
1640
01:23:00,661 --> 01:23:03,072
♪ Covering that broken fear
I keep gaining strength I
1641
01:23:03,096 --> 01:23:03,619
♪ Covering that broken fear
I keep gaining strength I
1642
01:23:05,465 --> 01:23:08,833
♪ I keep gaining strength ♪
1643
01:23:09,136 --> 01:23:14,836
♪ Drowning in your fear I
1644
01:23:14,975 --> 01:23:17,239
♪ Say your pledge ♪
1645
01:23:17,911 --> 01:23:20,209
♪ Nothing you can do I
1646
01:23:20,514 --> 01:23:21,591
♪ Pledge your allegiance ♪
1647
01:23:21,615 --> 01:23:23,140
♪ Pledge your allegiance ♪
1648
01:23:23,617 --> 01:23:25,813
♪ Hiding is all you ♪
1649
01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:30,078
♪ Pledge of Allegiance, yeah ♪
1650
01:23:31,258 --> 01:23:32,589
Since the 1980s,
1651
01:23:32,693 --> 01:23:35,162
thrash metal music
that was nurtured in the Bay Area
1652
01:23:35,295 --> 01:23:37,093
extended its reach around the globe,
1653
01:23:37,197 --> 01:23:40,462
inspiring metal fans
everywhere to crank it up.
1654
01:24:02,322 --> 01:24:03,187
In 2013,
1655
01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:07,020
Gary Holt replaced the late, great
Jeff Hanneman in Slayer.
1656
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,491
It's kind of weird, you know?
1657
01:24:08,628 --> 01:24:12,428
I got the call from Kerry
to help them out, you know.
1658
01:24:12,532 --> 01:24:15,558
People who don't know the background
between the two bands will ask me--
1659
01:24:15,836 --> 01:24:18,648
Wow, how's it feel to be playing with
such metal legends? They're my buddies.
1660
01:24:18,672 --> 01:24:18,763
Wow, how's it feel to be playing with
such metal legends? They're my buddies.
1661
01:24:18,905 --> 01:24:23,274
I think metal fans are
the most devoted of any lens there are.
1662
01:24:23,410 --> 01:24:25,037
They're not fickle.
They like what they like,
1663
01:24:25,178 --> 01:24:28,045
and I think a Slayer fan
is that fan times ten.
1664
01:24:29,549 --> 01:24:30,846
To me it's about humility,
1665
01:24:30,984 --> 01:24:33,248
and I'm more humbled
by the fact that people
1666
01:24:33,353 --> 01:24:35,481
have such an admiration [or the band.
1667
01:24:35,589 --> 01:24:37,079
You hear stories
about some of these people
1668
01:24:37,224 --> 01:24:40,558
that, uh-- your music made me strong
and held me together
1669
01:24:40,827 --> 01:24:42,693
in gel past a certain point in my life.
1670
01:24:43,163 --> 01:24:44,460
I'm very grateful [or that.
1671
01:24:46,099 --> 01:24:47,624
You're getting me all teary-eyed.
1672
01:24:56,376 --> 01:24:58,868
In 2017,
Megadeth won the Grammy
1673
01:24:59,012 --> 01:25:02,175
for best metal performance
for their album, Dystopia.
1674
01:25:02,282 --> 01:25:03,545
One thing is for sure,
1675
01:25:03,884 --> 01:25:06,581
This community has a way
of taking care of its own.
1676
01:25:07,087 --> 01:25:10,250
I'm honored that the fans
still like what we're doing.
1677
01:25:10,791 --> 01:25:12,987
It's great to hear. It feels good.
1678
01:25:21,568 --> 01:25:23,002
Oh, my God!
1679
01:25:24,905 --> 01:25:26,873
- Like wrestlers.
- We're wrestlers.
1680
01:25:28,208 --> 01:25:31,371
When we put on our
instruments, we're like teenagers again.
1681
01:25:31,478 --> 01:25:33,810
We have a good time.
We joke around. We laugh.
1682
01:25:34,214 --> 01:25:34,223
Everything we do revolves around the jam.
1683
01:25:34,247 --> 01:25:36,511
Everything we do revolves around the jam.
1684
01:25:36,716 --> 01:25:38,514
There seems in be a certain energy
1685
01:25:38,618 --> 01:25:41,212
and magic that's
very pure about this music.
1686
01:25:43,223 --> 01:25:44,884
In 2016,
1687
01:25:44,991 --> 01:25:47,653
Metallica released
Hardwired... to Self-Destruct
1688
01:25:47,828 --> 01:25:50,160
to massive critical
and commercial acclaim.
1689
01:25:50,831 --> 01:25:52,743
We are super grateful to
still be where we are, you know?
1690
01:25:52,766 --> 01:25:53,927
We are super grateful to
still be where we are, you know?
1691
01:25:54,067 --> 01:25:58,004
We're in Mexico City right here playing
in front of 60,000 in 70,000 people
1692
01:25:58,104 --> 01:25:59,037
in one show.
1693
01:25:59,606 --> 01:26:00,596
It blows my mind.
1694
01:26:04,477 --> 01:26:07,447
It's pretty remarkable
for bands like Megadeth, and Anthrax,
1695
01:26:07,581 --> 01:26:11,176
and Slayer, and Exodus--
still around and still playing gigs.
1696
01:26:11,618 --> 01:26:11,761
I tell you, whatever you think
is going in happen to you,
1697
01:26:11,785 --> 01:26:14,914
I tell you, whatever you think
is going in happen to you,
1698
01:26:15,021 --> 01:26:17,217
you have no flicking idea. You just don't
1699
01:26:17,457 --> 01:26:21,087
If it wasn't for Cliff and wasn't for,
you know, those early Metallica records,
1700
01:26:21,194 --> 01:26:22,958
you know,
I would not be there, that's for sure,
1701
01:26:23,096 --> 01:26:24,723
and there would be no Metal Allegiance.
1702
01:26:25,498 --> 01:26:29,833
Cliff was a fun bass player,
and you can feel that onstage.
1703
01:26:29,970 --> 01:26:30,780
For me, I'm honored and blessed
to be able to play his bass lines
1704
01:26:30,804 --> 01:26:33,796
For me, I'm honored and blessed
to be able to play his bass lines
1705
01:26:33,940 --> 01:26:37,968
and celebrate him
and his bass playing to the world.
1706
01:26:38,111 --> 01:26:39,237
All over the world.
1707
01:26:39,379 --> 01:26:41,143
To take it there and share it.
1708
01:27:04,471 --> 01:27:08,317
If you and I were sifting in 1982,
1709
01:27:08,341 --> 01:27:08,384
If you and I were sifting in 1982,
1710
01:27:08,408 --> 01:27:11,742
having a conversation
about the East Bay days,
1711
01:27:11,878 --> 01:27:16,475
obviously nobody at that time
would ever slow down long enough
1712
01:27:16,583 --> 01:27:19,348
in believe that the music could have
1713
01:27:19,486 --> 01:27:23,116
and the scene could have that kind
of impact and that kind oi longevity.
1714
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:25,456
There's a shirt that says, I think,
1715
01:27:25,825 --> 01:27:27,335
"Four Albums And Still No Ballad!"
1716
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,020
"Four Albums And Still No Ballad!"
1717
01:27:28,161 --> 01:27:30,425
And they meant that,
because they weren't about that, you know?
1718
01:27:30,530 --> 01:27:31,395
They weren't going to do it.
1719
01:27:31,598 --> 01:27:33,396
I love those guys.
They're still my ff lends.
1720
01:27:33,533 --> 01:27:35,001
They're like my brothers.
1721
01:27:37,737 --> 01:27:40,069
We didn't invent music.
We didn't invent metal.
1722
01:27:40,206 --> 01:27:41,571
We just look what we loved,
1723
01:27:42,242 --> 01:27:45,075
and, you know,
we stood on the backs of giants
1724
01:27:45,545 --> 01:27:46,355
and put our own two cents in.
1725
01:27:46,379 --> 01:27:47,676
And put our own two cents in.
1726
01:27:47,781 --> 01:27:49,875
That's all we did,
and out me thrash metal.
1727
01:27:52,752 --> 01:27:58,714
It was a real happening that had
real far-reaching, uh, impacts
1728
01:27:59,859 --> 01:28:01,884
over music culture over time.
1729
01:28:05,699 --> 01:28:06,894
See, this wasn't here.
1730
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,965
I'm wondering if the stage
was kind of where the bathroom was.
1731
01:28:10,737 --> 01:28:13,365
I think it was,
and this wall was-was exposed.
1732
01:28:14,140 --> 01:28:18,475
You know, we're talking, like, you know,
35 years ago and shit or more.
1733
01:28:18,611 --> 01:28:21,308
I'm surprised how nice the park looks.
It's pretty awesome.
1734
01:28:21,715 --> 01:28:23,893
We did a lot of cover tunes.
We did "Gets Your Rocks Off"
1735
01:28:23,917 --> 01:28:24,026
We did a lot of cover tunes.
We did "Gets Your Rocks Off"
1736
01:28:24,050 --> 01:28:26,747
by Def Leppard and "Wasted"
by Def Leppard.
1737
01:28:26,886 --> 01:28:28,718
Half of the first Maiden album.
1738
01:28:28,955 --> 01:28:31,822
Our friend bought Iron Maiden I
just because of the cover.
1739
01:28:31,958 --> 01:28:35,394
It was so fresh and new back then that
a lot of people thought "Running Free"
1740
01:28:35,495 --> 01:28:37,020
was an Exodus original
for a little while.
1741
01:28:37,163 --> 01:28:39,928
We're like, no, sorry.
Can't take credit for that one.
1742
01:28:40,066 --> 01:28:42,912
Yeah, "Prowler."
Like, I love that song "Prowler."
1743
01:28:42,936 --> 01:28:43,613
Yeah, "Prowler."
Like, I love that song "Prowler."
1744
01:28:43,636 --> 01:28:44,626
That song rocks.
1745
01:28:44,771 --> 01:28:46,865
Kirk used to sing
"Another Piece of Me" by the Scorpions.
1746
01:28:46,973 --> 01:28:50,273
That was in my high school band room,
back when I still went to school.
1747
01:28:51,578 --> 01:28:55,173
It was a perfect storm
of all the people that we needed
1748
01:28:55,281 --> 01:28:59,275
inform a long-lasting musical scene
that went on to do great things,
1749
01:28:59,919 --> 01:29:01,429
and the amazing thing about it
is we were all young, innocent,
1750
01:29:01,454 --> 01:29:03,582
and the amazing thing about it
is we were all young, innocent,
1751
01:29:03,690 --> 01:29:05,556
and didn't know what
the fuck we were doing
1752
01:29:05,759 --> 01:29:07,124
or where it all was going.
1753
01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:08,523
It just happened.
1754
01:29:09,496 --> 01:29:11,487
It was like- It was like from--
from heaven.
1755
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,827
It was one of
the greatest times of my life.
1756
01:29:25,879 --> 01:29:27,904
You know, I was telling
somebody this morning
1757
01:29:28,048 --> 01:29:29,812
that I thought Metallica played here.
1758
01:29:29,949 --> 01:29:31,917
No, no. Kirk Hammett from Metallica,
1759
01:29:32,018 --> 01:29:35,613
when he was a member of our band Exodus,
played here when we were 16 years old.
1760
01:29:35,722 --> 01:29:37,417
- No, you guys are Exodus?
- Yeah.
1761
01:29:37,557 --> 01:29:38,991
I've been a fan forever.
1762
01:29:39,125 --> 01:29:39,469
That is so awesome. You're back.
1763
01:29:39,492 --> 01:29:40,960
That is so awesome. You're back.
1764
01:29:41,061 --> 01:29:43,928
Exodus continue in play
on around the world,
1765
01:29:44,064 --> 01:29:46,726
and still no fucking ballads!
1766
01:29:50,703 --> 01:29:53,832
♪ All alone in the dead of night ♪
1767
01:29:53,973 --> 01:29:57,307
♪ My worst nightmare is coming true ♪
1768
01:29:57,410 --> 01:29:58,488
♪ Soon they'll come for me
With one single kiss I
1769
01:29:58,511 --> 01:30:01,776
♪ Soon they'll come for me
With one single kiss I
1770
01:30:02,015 --> 01:30:05,383
♪ I stand accused
You put me down ♪
1771
01:30:05,518 --> 01:30:09,182
♪ But I forgive this thorny crown ♪
1772
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:23,225
♪ Pledge my heart and soul ♪
1773
01:31:24,130 --> 01:31:26,724
♪ Pledge my heart and soul ♪
1774
01:31:28,001 --> 01:31:30,698
♪ Pledge my heart and soul ♪
1775
01:31:31,938 --> 01:31:32,581
♪ Pledge my heart, my heart and soul ♪
1776
01:31:32,605 --> 01:31:36,564
♪ Pledge my heart, my heart and soul ♪
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