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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,794 --> 00:00:10,626 The early 1980s. 2 00:00:12,597 --> 00:00:14,964 12 million people are unemployed in our country, 3 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:17,626 1.3 million of them in California, 4 00:00:17,769 --> 00:00:20,761 more than 150,000 fight here in the Bay Area, 5 00:00:20,872 --> 00:00:24,672 like this self-styled Reaganville near the railroad tracks in Berkeley. 6 00:00:24,810 --> 00:00:28,269 Those are the conditions for tough times and real struggle. 7 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:29,814 I regret to say... 8 00:00:29,948 --> 00:00:32,974 that we're in the worst economic mess since the Great Depression. 9 00:00:45,497 --> 00:00:47,591 The San Francisco Bay Area, 10 00:00:47,999 --> 00:00:51,299 located on the Western edge of the continental United States, 11 00:00:51,403 --> 00:00:55,340 has a long history of supporting new music and free expression, 12 00:00:56,341 --> 00:00:58,332 from jazz experimentation, 13 00:00:58,977 --> 00:01:02,242 in beat poetry, to rock and roll. 14 00:01:04,015 --> 00:01:07,315 By 1980, with the American economy in recession, 15 00:01:07,419 --> 00:01:10,218 a new group of teenagers came of age, 16 00:01:10,355 --> 00:01:12,153 and they wanted a new music. 17 00:01:12,357 --> 00:01:14,951 Something faster, something heavier, 18 00:01:15,060 --> 00:01:18,894 something that mirrored their own lives and not the previous generations. 19 00:01:19,931 --> 00:01:24,061 From far away Europe, heavy metal sounds were slowly rippling westward, 20 00:01:24,202 --> 00:01:25,863 carried by word of mouth, 21 00:01:26,238 --> 00:01:27,933 a few rare, imported records, 22 00:01:28,073 --> 00:01:29,734 some bootleg cassette tapes, 23 00:01:30,175 --> 00:01:32,041 and music magazines. 24 00:01:32,244 --> 00:01:37,114 But California was too far away for most of these bands to tour here. 25 00:01:37,249 --> 00:01:40,685 So the young music fans of the Bay Area did what we do best. 26 00:01:41,186 --> 00:01:43,154 We didn't wait for the music we wanted. 27 00:01:43,255 --> 00:01:44,745 We created our own. 28 00:01:45,690 --> 00:01:46,680 Are we rolling? 29 00:01:46,792 --> 00:01:48,920 Right, I just want to say one thing first: 30 00:01:49,528 --> 00:01:50,893 Posers must die! 31 00:01:51,296 --> 00:01:53,287 We were out of our minds. We were kind of crazy. 32 00:01:53,431 --> 00:01:55,058 We were just kids. 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,395 Kids run amok. 34 00:01:56,535 --> 00:01:58,503 It was scary, and it was dark. 35 00:01:58,603 --> 00:02:00,230 It's this outlet for angst. 36 00:02:00,372 --> 00:02:01,635 I'm Alex Skolnick, 37 00:02:01,773 --> 00:02:03,935 born and raised in Berkeley, California. 38 00:02:04,075 --> 00:02:05,770 Hey, I'm James Hetfield from Metallica. 39 00:02:05,911 --> 00:02:07,538 This is the music you don't want your parents to hear. 40 00:02:07,646 --> 00:02:08,477 Gary Holt. 41 00:02:08,613 --> 00:02:10,581 David Ellefson, bassist for Megadeth. 42 00:02:10,715 --> 00:02:13,377 I don't need to say my name. Everybody watching this knows who I am. 43 00:02:14,553 --> 00:02:16,578 We were doing it for chicks and beer, and I didn't drink. 44 00:02:16,721 --> 00:02:19,019 My name's Chuck Billy. I grew up in Dublin, California. 45 00:02:19,124 --> 00:02:21,115 And the pits were violent as hell. 46 00:02:21,259 --> 00:02:23,250 Mark Osegueda from the San Francisco Bay Area. 47 00:02:23,395 --> 00:02:25,727 Phil Demmel from Dublin, California. 48 00:02:25,831 --> 00:02:28,323 The volume, the craziness, was epic. 49 00:02:28,466 --> 00:02:30,230 Wow, we've got to do more of this. 50 00:02:30,635 --> 00:02:32,501 Robb Flynn, Oakland, California. 51 00:02:32,637 --> 00:02:35,334 My name's Rick Hunolt. I played guitar for Exodus. 52 00:02:35,574 --> 00:02:37,008 People have passion for the metal. 53 00:02:37,108 --> 00:02:38,769 There's no distinction between the bands and the fans. 54 00:02:38,910 --> 00:02:40,878 We called it The Land Of Misfit Toys. 55 00:02:40,979 --> 00:02:42,777 People in our scene, we felt invincible. 56 00:02:42,914 --> 00:02:44,780 It was about survival. It was like... Aah! 57 00:02:44,916 --> 00:02:47,283 Exodus had the destruction recipe. 58 00:02:47,419 --> 00:02:48,682 If Exodus was playing, we were there. 59 00:02:48,787 --> 00:02:49,948 That's Paul Baloff. 60 00:02:50,088 --> 00:02:52,284 Kirk came up with a name, and we were just like-- wow. 61 00:02:52,424 --> 00:02:53,255 What was the question again? 62 00:02:53,358 --> 00:02:55,725 My name is Lars Ulrich, and I'm from Denmark. 63 00:02:56,294 --> 00:02:57,989 - Tom Araya. - Fucking Slayer. 64 00:02:58,129 --> 00:03:00,223 Singer and bass player for Slayer. 65 00:03:00,332 --> 00:03:02,300 I got goosebumps talking about it right now, man. 66 00:03:02,434 --> 00:03:03,458 My name is Paul Bostaph. 67 00:03:03,835 --> 00:03:05,929 Larry Lalonde, El Sereno, California. 68 00:03:06,638 --> 00:03:09,733 Charlie Benante, and I'm from the Bronx, New York. 69 00:03:10,141 --> 00:03:12,166 Dave Lombardo, South East, L.A. 70 00:03:12,310 --> 00:03:15,109 There was an aura of watching history happen. 71 00:03:15,213 --> 00:03:18,410 East Bay guys. They played before us, and that was kind of a mistake. 72 00:03:18,550 --> 00:03:22,214 I am Robert Trujillo. I'm from Santa Monica, California. 73 00:03:22,354 --> 00:03:24,880 There goes that guy who was in Metallica. What's he up to? 74 00:03:25,023 --> 00:03:26,821 It wasn't as exciting as you thought it would be, was it? 75 00:03:28,393 --> 00:03:29,918 ♪ Murder in the front row ♪ 76 00:03:30,061 --> 00:03:31,654 ♪ Bang your head against the stage I 77 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:32,854 ♪ And metal takes its price ♪ 78 00:03:32,998 --> 00:03:34,432 ♪ Bonded by blood ♪ 79 00:03:39,537 --> 00:03:42,370 We were far away from the city. We were isolated. 80 00:03:42,974 --> 00:03:44,806 There was nothing to do. 81 00:03:45,810 --> 00:03:47,437 All we had was music, you know? 82 00:03:47,545 --> 00:03:48,535 It was a pilgrimage, you know. 83 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,876 We would mow a few lawns, save a few bucks, 84 00:03:51,016 --> 00:03:53,542 take the Alameda across the county-- bus transit- 85 00:03:53,685 --> 00:03:55,676 to the BART station, take BART in Berkeley, 86 00:03:55,820 --> 00:03:57,185 and walk up to Telegraph. 87 00:03:57,322 --> 00:04:00,587 It's the-- Uh-- W-we went to all the hard rock stuff, 88 00:04:00,692 --> 00:04:03,184 you know, Aerosmith, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, 89 00:04:03,328 --> 00:04:04,955 Led Zeppelin, Thin Lizzy. 90 00:04:05,063 --> 00:04:07,760 Anything and everything that was around that had an edge, 91 00:04:07,899 --> 00:04:09,697 that was loud and energetic, 92 00:04:09,834 --> 00:04:10,995 I just went to. 93 00:04:11,369 --> 00:04:13,861 Kirk was the first guy to ever play me, like, 94 00:04:14,005 --> 00:04:15,700 Uli Roth-era Scorpions, 95 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,309 and that was the first day we ever hung out. 96 00:04:18,410 --> 00:04:21,607 And that was when we metal his house in go see Ted Nugent and the Scorpions. 97 00:04:21,746 --> 00:04:24,579 But there was other stuff coming out of England and Germany 98 00:04:24,716 --> 00:04:27,913 that nobody was really was partial to on a large scale, 99 00:04:28,053 --> 00:04:29,418 other than the kids that I knew. 100 00:04:29,554 --> 00:04:32,319 The kids of my age, uh, were listening to disco. 101 00:04:32,424 --> 00:04:33,516 They were listening in pop, 102 00:04:33,625 --> 00:04:36,151 and I just wasn't really interested in that. 103 00:04:36,294 --> 00:04:39,127 We all went to the same record stores. There was very few. 104 00:04:39,264 --> 00:04:42,427 There was something that I just wasn't getting enough of 105 00:04:42,567 --> 00:04:44,934 until I heard this one band called UFO. 106 00:04:45,070 --> 00:04:47,903 And they had the heaviness. They had the intensity. 107 00:04:48,039 --> 00:04:49,234 They had the energy. 108 00:04:49,374 --> 00:04:50,864 They had the musicianship. 109 00:04:50,976 --> 00:04:53,502 They had a guitar player that was sent from heaven 110 00:04:53,645 --> 00:04:54,737 named Michael Schenker. 111 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:57,814 Me and John Marshall became obsessed with UFO. 112 00:05:16,668 --> 00:05:20,434 I was hanging out up in Berkeley in April or May of 1980, 113 00:05:20,572 --> 00:05:22,734 and I was walking along Telegraph Avenue. 114 00:05:22,841 --> 00:05:25,139 You'd see him down on Telegraph and Berkeley all the time. 115 00:05:25,276 --> 00:05:27,870 As I was walking, I heard a Motorhead song. 116 00:05:27,979 --> 00:05:30,141 You could hear him coming from a block or two away, you know? 117 00:05:30,281 --> 00:05:31,271 A total character. 118 00:05:31,416 --> 00:05:33,908 There was this crazy skinny, tall dude. 119 00:05:34,019 --> 00:05:36,511 Denim vest on, long hair, 120 00:05:36,654 --> 00:05:39,248 big Thin Lizzy Chinatown patch on his back, 121 00:05:39,457 --> 00:05:41,391 and he was playing Motorhead on his boombox. 122 00:05:41,493 --> 00:05:43,359 You know, up--up on his shoulder. 123 00:05:43,495 --> 00:05:45,987 This is back in the day when you'd carry a big boombox 124 00:05:46,131 --> 00:05:48,998 that needed, like, D cells, like, ten of them. 125 00:05:49,134 --> 00:05:52,399 He had this boombox about this big on his shoulder, and he would just be-- 126 00:05:52,504 --> 00:05:53,767 Blasting Motorhead, 127 00:05:53,872 --> 00:05:56,068 and that was Rich Burch. 128 00:05:56,207 --> 00:05:59,006 This shit was so loud it was like a Memorex commercial. 129 00:06:00,378 --> 00:06:01,846 Whoa, who's that guy? 130 00:06:01,980 --> 00:06:03,744 That seems like somebody we should know. 131 00:06:04,282 --> 00:06:08,617 Very quickly I got invited to hang out with some of his crew 132 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:09,846 and ended up in a place 133 00:06:09,988 --> 00:06:12,616 in the Golden Gate Park called Strawberry Hill, 134 00:06:12,724 --> 00:06:14,749 where I met Ron Quintana, 135 00:06:15,293 --> 00:06:16,454 Ian Kellen. 136 00:06:16,561 --> 00:06:21,499 It was the beginning of getting to know that crew of people that were all 137 00:06:21,633 --> 00:06:26,628 the Iron Maiden/Motorhead/Saxon/ Diamond Head/Merciful Fate fanatics. 138 00:06:26,738 --> 00:06:30,902 By 1980, music sucked. 139 00:06:31,076 --> 00:06:33,670 Being a kid in San Francisco, 140 00:06:33,812 --> 00:06:36,941 radio was going downhill disco. 141 00:06:37,048 --> 00:06:39,745 And so, radio stations were really bad. 142 00:06:39,884 --> 00:06:43,252 And luckily there was KUSF, which could play harder punk stuff. 143 00:06:43,388 --> 00:06:45,914 So that's where you'd first hear UFO maybe once in a while. 144 00:06:46,057 --> 00:06:48,754 And at high school I ran into a friend, 145 00:06:48,893 --> 00:06:51,362 and he said, "You've got to go to this store called the Record Vault. 146 00:06:51,496 --> 00:06:52,463 It's amazing." 147 00:06:52,564 --> 00:06:55,261 I got on the bus. I headed up, walked in, 148 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,233 and it was like walking into Mecca. 149 00:06:58,603 --> 00:07:01,265 It was dark. It was cool. 150 00:07:01,406 --> 00:07:02,896 There was Motorhead playing, 151 00:07:03,041 --> 00:07:06,875 and all over the walls was everything that I was into. 152 00:07:07,712 --> 00:07:10,204 We'd find all this great, imported metal, you know? 153 00:07:10,348 --> 00:07:14,649 Budgie, and Venom, and Diamond Head, and Sweet Savage demos. 154 00:07:14,752 --> 00:07:17,244 All this stuff that we really loved that you weren't going to find at, 155 00:07:17,388 --> 00:07:18,685 like, you know, Tower Records. 156 00:07:18,790 --> 00:07:22,454 Back then you'd be hanging out in the record store [or two, three hours. 157 00:07:22,594 --> 00:07:24,585 You only have $20 bucks in your pocket, 158 00:07:24,729 --> 00:07:26,595 so you were trying to figure out which two records to buy. 159 00:07:26,731 --> 00:07:27,698 You know, it took a while. 160 00:07:27,799 --> 00:07:30,564 It was the place everybody came to find out things. 161 00:07:30,702 --> 00:07:34,502 It was the place everybody came to buy their new release, 162 00:07:34,606 --> 00:07:39,134 to get their copy of Metal Mania, Ardschok, Kerrang!, whatever. 163 00:07:39,277 --> 00:07:40,369 And it was awesome. 164 00:07:40,478 --> 00:07:42,310 It was an amazing experience just to go there 165 00:07:42,447 --> 00:07:46,748 and-and see all these like minded people that were there, too, 166 00:07:46,885 --> 00:07:49,513 shopping for the same stuff, and they're all wearing vests, 167 00:07:49,621 --> 00:07:52,750 and back patches, and into metal and into all this underground stuff. 168 00:07:53,324 --> 00:07:56,089 The record stores would have the albums set up on the wall 169 00:07:56,227 --> 00:07:58,594 and on a little shelf, so you could see the cover, 170 00:07:58,730 --> 00:08:01,700 and there was the first Iron Maiden album cover with Eddie on it. 171 00:08:01,900 --> 00:08:04,198 You know, it was, like- Oh, shit, look at that! 172 00:08:04,302 --> 00:08:05,633 Down in Southern California, 173 00:08:06,070 --> 00:08:08,698 my place was called Middle Earth- Middle Earth Records. 174 00:08:08,806 --> 00:08:11,935 And, you know, you'd have to go in and order the record. 175 00:08:12,143 --> 00:08:14,475 There was such an anticipation around getting it. 176 00:08:14,646 --> 00:08:16,307 All the different bands, you know, 177 00:08:16,447 --> 00:08:18,973 all these different, unique sounds and styles, 178 00:08:19,450 --> 00:08:20,417 and we were just- 179 00:08:20,518 --> 00:08:22,543 we just dove head first into it. 180 00:08:22,687 --> 00:08:27,124 I gravitated towards these metal bands because they were an escape. 181 00:08:27,292 --> 00:08:29,056 You listen to an Iron Maiden song, and they're talking about 182 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,256 a fantasy, that was no different, in my head, to a Stephen King novel. 183 00:08:33,364 --> 00:08:35,890 Yes, there were murders. Yes, there were Satanic things. 184 00:08:36,034 --> 00:08:36,967 It was fantasy. 185 00:08:37,101 --> 00:08:40,560 It didn't make me want to go out and slaughter babies or anything. 186 00:08:40,672 --> 00:08:44,836 It was an escape from my suburban, teenage life. 187 00:08:44,976 --> 00:08:47,274 This is a-- just a drawing of Eddie. 188 00:08:47,378 --> 00:08:48,971 I was a huge Iron Maiden fan, 189 00:08:49,113 --> 00:08:52,606 and obviously I should've been paying more attention in geometry. 190 00:08:52,717 --> 00:08:54,515 I got a 27 out of 52. 191 00:08:55,286 --> 00:08:59,052 The compact cassette tape came of age in the 1970s. 192 00:08:59,157 --> 00:09:01,125 Inexpensive and easy to record, 193 00:09:01,226 --> 00:09:05,561 tape-traders quickly adopted it as a means of spreading the newest sounds. 194 00:09:06,464 --> 00:09:09,661 In the pages of Kerrang!, they would have pen pal ads. 195 00:09:09,801 --> 00:09:13,499 Kerrang! Would run them [or free. That's what started everything. 196 00:09:13,671 --> 00:09:17,198 That's how I found out about Brian Lew and KJ Doughton. 197 00:09:17,342 --> 00:09:19,333 KJ had a ton of Maiden, and so did Brian. 198 00:09:19,477 --> 00:09:20,569 So that was cool. 199 00:09:20,712 --> 00:09:22,407 That was another big staple of the movement. 200 00:09:22,547 --> 00:09:24,481 Everyone had their demo and bootleg list, 201 00:09:24,582 --> 00:09:28,246 and they'd ask [or the other person's list and trade tapes. 202 00:09:28,386 --> 00:09:32,653 Back then it was snail mail, and tapes, and stamps, and handwritten letters. 203 00:09:32,890 --> 00:09:37,088 All of a sudden I was getting letters from people in Germany, Holland, France, 204 00:09:37,228 --> 00:09:39,526 England, New York, Chicago. 205 00:09:39,697 --> 00:09:42,029 It just opened up this whole worldview. 206 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,194 I had been now trading with so many people, getting tapes 207 00:09:46,337 --> 00:09:48,965 and fanzines from England, mainly. 208 00:09:49,073 --> 00:09:52,771 This list kept growing from two, three, four, five, six pages. 209 00:09:52,910 --> 00:09:56,005 And then I realized-- Well, I want to do a fanzine, 210 00:09:56,114 --> 00:09:58,742 and I started in add pictures in July. 211 00:09:58,883 --> 00:10:03,013 And it became Metal Mania by August of 1981. 212 00:10:03,288 --> 00:10:06,883 When I first met Ron, he made me a compilation tape. 213 00:10:07,025 --> 00:10:08,186 I mean, it was the thing to do. 214 00:10:08,293 --> 00:10:10,591 It was part of the conversation back then in the early '80s. 215 00:10:11,195 --> 00:10:14,495 The thing that maybe has become the misconception over the years about 216 00:10:14,599 --> 00:10:17,432 the tape-trading network is we weren't dubbing albums. 217 00:10:17,602 --> 00:10:19,798 We were dubbing live bootlegs. 218 00:10:19,937 --> 00:10:22,599 You know, at that time part of being a music fan 219 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:24,674 is you wanted to own the record. 220 00:10:24,776 --> 00:10:26,107 You wanted to own the seven-inch single, 221 00:10:26,244 --> 00:10:29,214 because it made you feel part of something bigger. 222 00:10:32,817 --> 00:10:35,946 In high school, they had a guitar class, 223 00:10:36,087 --> 00:10:38,852 and it was literally 30 people learning how to play guitar. 224 00:10:38,956 --> 00:10:41,118 And in that class was Mark Biederman, 225 00:10:41,259 --> 00:10:43,728 who was eventually in Blind Illusion, and Kirk. 226 00:10:43,828 --> 00:10:47,458 Before Gary was in the band, you know, when it was just Kirk and them, uh... 227 00:10:47,598 --> 00:10:51,228 they would-- they sometimes rehearsed at our rehearsal space, you know? 228 00:10:51,336 --> 00:10:53,498 And Kirk and I were in Mr. Bee's class together, 229 00:10:53,638 --> 00:10:54,764 the guitar class. 230 00:10:54,906 --> 00:10:58,399 We were kind of just-- mostly just, like, learning our instruments. 231 00:10:58,843 --> 00:11:02,336 And, you know, Kirk turned me on to so many different kinds of music. 232 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,677 Like, I had never heard UFO or the Scorpions. 233 00:11:05,983 --> 00:11:07,815 All we had was music, you know? 234 00:11:07,952 --> 00:11:10,785 And then when we got into the music, all we had were each other. 235 00:11:10,922 --> 00:11:14,381 And you know, we wanted to take it to the next level, so we got instruments. 236 00:11:14,492 --> 00:11:17,928 And I think that the anger of being in a place 237 00:11:18,029 --> 00:11:20,157 that just didn't have enough in offer, you know, 238 00:11:20,298 --> 00:11:22,164 the frustration of being bored. 239 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:25,595 I think a lot of that got channeled into our instruments. 240 00:11:27,305 --> 00:11:29,569 ♪ I'm gonna be a rock n roll star ♪ 241 00:11:29,674 --> 00:11:32,041 ♪ I got a girl from that day ♪ 242 00:11:32,643 --> 00:11:37,308 In Los Angeles, a new heavy metal was beginning to rise. 243 00:11:37,482 --> 00:11:40,179 In December of 1980, a friend of mine and I-- 244 00:11:40,318 --> 00:11:41,410 Who were the only two people, by the way, 245 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:43,544 at the time who knew anything about the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, 246 00:11:43,688 --> 00:11:45,019 went to see Michael Schenker Group 247 00:11:45,156 --> 00:11:47,250 play at a place called the Country Club in Reseda. 248 00:11:47,792 --> 00:11:50,386 After the show, my Mend John was in the parking lot, 249 00:11:50,495 --> 00:11:54,489 and he saw some kid wearing a Saxon European T-shirt. 250 00:11:54,632 --> 00:11:56,794 Now, in 1980 nobody knew who Saxon was in L.A., 251 00:11:56,901 --> 00:11:58,198 let alone had a European T-shirt. 252 00:11:58,336 --> 00:12:00,327 And that of course was a kid named Lars Ulrich. 253 00:12:00,471 --> 00:12:02,963 Fast-forward to when James and I had the band. 254 00:12:03,074 --> 00:12:06,442 One thing led in another, and we started playing in L.A. 255 00:12:06,577 --> 00:12:08,204 A year-and-a-half or so later, 256 00:12:08,646 --> 00:12:10,740 we got the idea to do a compilation album. 257 00:12:10,848 --> 00:12:13,180 Lars called me up one day and said, "II I put together a band, 258 00:12:13,317 --> 00:12:15,513 can I be on your album?" I'm like, of course. Absolutely. 259 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,089 So Lars and me are always talking about doing a magazine. 260 00:12:20,224 --> 00:12:23,489 "We need a store, man. Let's just start a club and hang out" 261 00:12:23,594 --> 00:12:24,959 And Lars, in his way, you know, he was, like, 262 00:12:25,096 --> 00:12:26,723 "Oh, that's cool. That's a good idea, man." 263 00:12:26,898 --> 00:12:31,165 He showed me a list of his future band or club names. 264 00:12:31,269 --> 00:12:36,230 So he had, like, generic, hot-rod-y American car names: 265 00:12:36,707 --> 00:12:39,005 Thunderbolt, 266 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:42,478 Metal Mania, Metallica. He had a huge list of names. 267 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,905 That ended up being some band that sleds with an"". 268 00:12:45,049 --> 00:12:46,141 I think it was Metallica, 269 00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:49,584 that we misspelled on the very first version of the record. 270 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,018 Lars always was able in make things happen. 271 00:12:52,123 --> 00:12:55,058 Somehow he landed them a gig opening for Saxon. 272 00:12:55,293 --> 00:12:58,092 James didn't play guitar. He just sang. 273 00:12:58,229 --> 00:12:59,697 And Dave Mustaine played guitar. 274 00:12:59,797 --> 00:13:02,266 Their set consisted of "Hit the Lights, 275 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,836 "Blitzkrieg" by Blitzkrieg, and about five Diamond Head covers. 276 00:13:05,937 --> 00:13:07,234 And that was pretty much it. 277 00:13:07,405 --> 00:13:09,840 The selection of the cover songs we did I think 278 00:13:09,941 --> 00:13:13,309 was a little bit more, uh, involved, 279 00:13:13,478 --> 00:13:17,312 because we all kind of had a say in what bands we liked. 280 00:13:18,149 --> 00:13:19,810 When Metal Mania 5 me out 281 00:13:19,951 --> 00:13:22,477 fight after Metallica played their very first shows ever. 282 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:26,056 So, Lars helped write an article about his show 283 00:13:26,157 --> 00:13:27,682 and this great new band, Metallica. 284 00:13:27,825 --> 00:13:29,486 He wrote this little article, 285 00:13:29,627 --> 00:13:31,721 uh, about L.A. heavy metal 286 00:13:32,163 --> 00:13:35,098 and young metal attack Metallica, 287 00:13:35,233 --> 00:13:38,533 and this is the very first article ever, uh, oi Metallica, 288 00:13:38,636 --> 00:13:40,400 and of course it was written by Lars. 289 00:13:40,571 --> 00:13:44,405 But they never really quite fit in with the L.A. crowd. 290 00:13:44,509 --> 00:13:47,103 We got gigs when we could, as many as we could. 291 00:13:47,245 --> 00:13:49,339 And, you know, we got kicked out of a few clubs 292 00:13:49,447 --> 00:13:51,916 because they thought we were a punk rock band. 293 00:13:52,016 --> 00:13:53,541 With Bf tan Slagel's help, 294 00:13:53,684 --> 00:13:56,813 we were able to go up in the San Francisco area 295 00:13:56,954 --> 00:13:59,582 with a few other L.A. bands. 296 00:13:59,690 --> 00:13:59,933 Man, it was on. 297 00:13:59,957 --> 00:14:00,981 Man, it was on. 298 00:14:08,199 --> 00:14:10,065 When they came up in San Francisco, 299 00:14:10,201 --> 00:14:12,568 and they saw the energy that was involved, 300 00:14:12,703 --> 00:14:14,865 they just wanted to be in that element. 301 00:14:16,941 --> 00:14:19,967 And it helped them tremendously, and it helped us grow as a scene 302 00:14:20,111 --> 00:14:22,205 in San Francisco and the Bay Area, as well. 303 00:14:22,313 --> 00:14:24,441 A lot of bands me out of the East Bay. 304 00:14:24,549 --> 00:14:26,415 A lot of musicians came out of the East Bay. 305 00:14:27,051 --> 00:14:28,541 The East Bay is a fucked up place. 306 00:14:28,686 --> 00:14:33,214 In the '70s and early 80s, it had high unemployment, 307 00:14:33,357 --> 00:14:34,722 high crime rate, 308 00:14:35,226 --> 00:14:37,024 and it was a boring place. 309 00:14:37,461 --> 00:14:38,553 My mom worked a lot, 310 00:14:38,663 --> 00:14:41,655 so, like, in the daytime I had a lot of-- a lot of free time to myself 311 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:43,927 in just jam out at home. 312 00:14:46,003 --> 00:14:50,497 We were ghetto kids, you know! We-we stole shit, you know? 313 00:14:50,641 --> 00:14:53,576 Like, there's the time the Wagon Wheel liquor store 314 00:14:53,678 --> 00:14:55,168 in Pinole burned down, right? 315 00:14:55,313 --> 00:14:57,907 You know, most people stay away from, like, burnt out buildings. 316 00:14:58,015 --> 00:14:59,983 Not Exodus. We crawled through the wreckage, 317 00:15:00,084 --> 00:15:03,076 because there was dozens and dozens of bottles of alcohol in there. 318 00:15:03,354 --> 00:15:07,154 I actually met Gary shoplifting when we were going to junior high school. 319 00:15:07,692 --> 00:15:09,285 We had nothing given in us. 320 00:15:09,393 --> 00:15:11,225 We stole some of our first equipment. 321 00:15:12,163 --> 00:15:13,653 Gary was a friend of mine from Richmond, 322 00:15:14,231 --> 00:15:17,997 and he was kind of, like, helping us out with gear and stuff like that. 323 00:15:18,102 --> 00:15:20,230 And then Kirk gave him a guitar lesson, and... 324 00:15:20,671 --> 00:15:21,661 Wow. 325 00:15:21,772 --> 00:15:24,935 Taught me how to play guitar, you know? I hold a pick the way I do, 326 00:15:25,076 --> 00:15:26,874 I fret a bar chord the way I do. 327 00:15:27,011 --> 00:15:29,378 We do it exactly the same, because he showed me. 328 00:15:29,513 --> 00:15:30,537 Here's how you hold a pick. 329 00:15:30,681 --> 00:15:32,649 So, all right, I'll hold a pick like that, then. 330 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:35,685 It was Kirk saying, yeah, I want to jam with people 331 00:15:35,786 --> 00:15:38,881 finding guys that played, and making it happen. 332 00:15:39,056 --> 00:15:42,219 I remember walking into this party, not knowing anyone, 333 00:15:42,393 --> 00:15:44,361 seeing this one short guy 334 00:15:44,462 --> 00:15:47,557 with hair that was just like mushroom-shaped, 335 00:15:47,698 --> 00:15:51,726 super long, and he was talking like this and, like, you know, was cracking jokes, 336 00:15:51,869 --> 00:15:53,735 and some of it was pretty funny, you know. 337 00:15:53,871 --> 00:15:55,839 And he started talking about music. 338 00:15:55,940 --> 00:15:57,772 He's like, "Oh, yeah, Judas Priest. 339 00:15:57,908 --> 00:16:01,538 So heavy, so heavy. Oh, Maiden is so heavy, so heavy." 340 00:16:01,646 --> 00:16:03,512 And I said in him, "Hey, bro, you know UFO?" 341 00:16:03,648 --> 00:16:06,811 He goes, "Rock bottom, Rock bottom 342 00:16:06,951 --> 00:16:08,715 And starts singing "Rock Bottom" to me. 343 00:16:08,819 --> 00:16:10,753 ♪ Seventeen and nature's queen I 344 00:16:10,888 --> 00:16:12,083 I looked at him and said, 345 00:16:12,223 --> 00:16:14,214 "You're going to be the singer of our new band, Exodus." 346 00:16:14,325 --> 00:16:16,157 He's like, "OK”. 347 00:16:16,327 --> 00:16:19,763 Then from that minute on we were inseparable. 348 00:16:20,731 --> 00:16:22,995 His name was Pablo Nikolaivich Paulakersokoff. 349 00:16:23,567 --> 00:16:26,332 It means son of Nicholas in Russian. He was a blue blood Russian. 350 00:16:26,671 --> 00:16:29,641 He was a little tiny guy, very aggressive. 351 00:16:29,774 --> 00:16:32,368 A strong, thick, 100-percent Russian man. 352 00:16:32,677 --> 00:16:34,372 Paul was Paul, take it or leave it. 353 00:16:34,512 --> 00:16:36,480 I mean, he had so much charisma 354 00:16:36,614 --> 00:16:39,413 and so much energy that you just wanted to be around him. 355 00:16:41,352 --> 00:16:45,346 He couldn't sing that well, but he could sing good enough. 356 00:16:45,690 --> 00:16:51,151 ♪ Slicing jaws, a way of life Brought up to waste mankind ♪ 357 00:16:52,129 --> 00:16:57,226 ♪ Loki's pets his little children Deadly every time ♪ 358 00:16:57,635 --> 00:16:59,569 That's where the line-up really came together, 359 00:16:59,670 --> 00:17:03,300 you know, it's when we found the band's voice, you know. 360 00:17:03,441 --> 00:17:07,639 Baloff wasn't a singer when we met him. He was just a headbanger like us. 361 00:17:12,149 --> 00:17:15,449 When Exodus played, they just got the crowd completely insane. 362 00:17:37,641 --> 00:17:40,975 Paul's first show was at the Ducal Palace in Alameda, 363 00:17:41,512 --> 00:17:45,142 which is some little hall pizza joint kind of place, you know? 364 00:17:45,249 --> 00:17:48,446 And I remember, like, I knew he was the right guy for the job 365 00:17:48,586 --> 00:17:50,020 because it was one of those places 366 00:17:50,154 --> 00:17:51,986 that's got a stage that's about a foot high. 367 00:17:52,089 --> 00:17:54,285 And next thing you know, he's over on top of the tables, 368 00:17:54,592 --> 00:17:56,560 and he's just rocking them fiercely like that, 369 00:17:56,694 --> 00:17:59,629 trying to break them. It was just- It was just fucking awesome. 370 00:17:59,764 --> 00:18:01,459 He checked everyone's attitude 371 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:03,897 and made sure that if you're hanging out with us, 372 00:18:04,034 --> 00:18:06,799 you're into the music, you knew the music, 373 00:18:06,904 --> 00:18:09,669 and you weren't an F'in' poser. 374 00:18:19,049 --> 00:18:20,414 I was friends with all the people in San Francisco. 375 00:18:20,551 --> 00:18:22,679 There was a really great scene going on up there, 376 00:18:22,787 --> 00:18:24,755 so I was able to put together a Metal Massacre show 377 00:18:24,889 --> 00:18:27,859 at the Stone in San Francisco, which was one of the big--big clubs there. 378 00:18:28,292 --> 00:18:30,556 So it was going to be three bands from L.A. 379 00:18:30,728 --> 00:18:32,856 and I called up Lars and said, "Hey, one of the bands dropped out. 380 00:18:32,963 --> 00:18:34,897 We have this gig up in San Francisco. You guys want to do it?" 381 00:18:35,032 --> 00:18:38,161 Uh... We weren't one of the three bigger bands. 382 00:18:38,269 --> 00:18:39,862 We weren't even first on the agenda there, 383 00:18:39,970 --> 00:18:42,405 but we got invited when somebody canceled. 384 00:18:42,873 --> 00:18:45,467 So we hopped in Ron McGovney's pickup truck with our gear, 385 00:18:45,576 --> 00:18:47,408 and off we went with a trailer in the back. 386 00:18:47,545 --> 00:18:50,480 Some of you might even heard our Demo Tape. 387 00:18:53,884 --> 00:18:55,477 There were only a handful of people there. 388 00:18:55,586 --> 00:18:57,554 I know a lot of people claimed to have been there. 389 00:18:57,922 --> 00:19:01,950 I was actually given this shirt by their original bass player, Ron McGovney. 390 00:19:02,092 --> 00:19:04,720 And that was the most amazing evening I ever saw, 391 00:19:04,829 --> 00:19:06,957 because in L.A. they were outcast. Nobody knew. 392 00:19:07,097 --> 00:19:10,556 And we went up to San Francisco, and that place went crazy. 393 00:19:11,068 --> 00:19:12,763 In September 1982, 394 00:19:12,903 --> 00:19:15,668 Metallica played their first show in San Francisco. 395 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,405 The reaction was immediate and explosive. 396 00:19:19,944 --> 00:19:21,708 My mom didn't let me go. 397 00:19:22,847 --> 00:19:25,942 Dave had this charisma that just took over the band, 398 00:19:26,083 --> 00:19:27,608 and when Metallica played, 399 00:19:27,751 --> 00:19:29,742 I thought he was going in be, like, the next superstar, 400 00:19:29,854 --> 00:19:33,484 I mean, 'cause he was so crazy on stage, and funny. 401 00:19:33,624 --> 00:19:36,093 Who the fuck's the frontman, you or him? 402 00:19:36,527 --> 00:19:38,791 And I liked it 'cause, you know, I've got a big mouth. 403 00:19:38,929 --> 00:19:39,862 I like to talk. 404 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:46,759 Some of those people that I had befriended for the previous year or two came, 405 00:19:46,871 --> 00:19:48,703 and you felt there was, like, a scene, 406 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:53,367 a sort of a collection of people that were really fans of the music, 407 00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:57,208 which was a really different thing than what was happening in L.A. at the time. 408 00:19:57,348 --> 00:20:02,514 So it was a very, uh, surreal, transformative experience for us. 409 00:20:02,653 --> 00:20:05,588 We were all teenagers. They were in a band onstage. 410 00:20:05,689 --> 00:20:06,986 We were teenagers in the crowd. 411 00:20:07,124 --> 00:20:09,650 And at the time, Metallica were doing Diamond Head covers, 412 00:20:09,793 --> 00:20:12,763 you know, one of those bands we didn't think anybody else knew about. 413 00:20:12,863 --> 00:20:14,627 And when they launched into "The Prince," 414 00:20:14,732 --> 00:20:18,066 that's where the bond with that band and the Bay Area happened. 415 00:20:18,202 --> 00:20:20,068 If you know that band, you're a brother. 416 00:20:20,204 --> 00:20:21,638 That was the switch. 417 00:20:22,072 --> 00:20:23,665 Yeah, I remember that first show, 418 00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:27,801 seeing fans that didn't care what they looked like. 419 00:20:27,912 --> 00:20:29,846 I mean, they had cutoff denim and stuff. 420 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:31,675 They-- They didn’t care. 421 00:20:32,182 --> 00:20:35,049 And they were at the front of the siege, 422 00:20:35,185 --> 00:20:38,120 headbanging, because the music did that for them. 423 00:20:38,222 --> 00:20:41,715 They weren't gathered around the bar scene or anything. 424 00:20:41,859 --> 00:20:42,985 They were there for the music. 425 00:20:43,093 --> 00:20:45,721 I think we had a much different relationship with our fans, 426 00:20:45,863 --> 00:20:48,355 because, you know, we were salt of the earth. 427 00:20:48,499 --> 00:20:51,298 Metallica came up to the Bay Area to play the Old Waldorf, 428 00:20:52,102 --> 00:20:55,367 and I remember watching them thinking-- Fucking pretty cool. 429 00:20:55,506 --> 00:20:59,773 Then Laaz Rockit came on and played for, like, literally, like, 25 people, 430 00:20:59,877 --> 00:21:02,039 and that said a lot to me. 431 00:21:02,179 --> 00:21:05,444 It said a lot to Baloff. It said to everyone in Exodus. 432 00:21:05,549 --> 00:21:07,574 We were like, OK. 433 00:21:07,718 --> 00:21:11,313 All right, we know what's-- what's working here, and we know what's not. 434 00:21:11,522 --> 00:21:14,014 Yeah, so Metallica, I first got hip to them through the demo. 435 00:21:14,191 --> 00:21:16,683 So shortly after that, the band I was playing with at the time, 436 00:21:16,794 --> 00:21:18,489 Laaz Rockit, we were playing a show together. 437 00:21:18,629 --> 00:21:20,893 They were playing before us. Mistake. 438 00:21:21,065 --> 00:21:24,000 Something about Metallica. They had that special-- 439 00:21:24,101 --> 00:21:26,365 That--that still-- that kick, 440 00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:27,460 and- you know! 441 00:21:27,604 --> 00:21:29,595 They got that extra boost of adrenaline 442 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:32,038 that I think made everyone step up their game. 443 00:21:32,142 --> 00:21:33,075 Everyone. 444 00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:38,740 And then we played a show the next day, and-and it was a benefit [or Metal Mania. 445 00:21:39,316 --> 00:21:43,275 It was kind of a hodgepodge thing that was put together in 24 hours. 446 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:44,945 They needed to find bands. 447 00:21:45,089 --> 00:21:46,523 They had got Metallica. 448 00:21:46,623 --> 00:21:48,990 They asked us to open. We said, sure, we'll open the show. 449 00:21:49,126 --> 00:21:50,958 This is at the Mabuhay Gardens. 450 00:21:51,095 --> 00:21:52,358 We played our show. 451 00:21:52,463 --> 00:21:55,091 Then Metallica came on, and they played. 452 00:21:55,232 --> 00:21:56,666 And they were just fantastic. 453 00:21:56,767 --> 00:22:01,261 And that's when I first met James, and that's when I first met Lars. 454 00:22:01,405 --> 00:22:06,275 You know, it's funny because it was a window into things to come in my future, 455 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:08,538 because as I was talking to Lars, 456 00:22:08,645 --> 00:22:12,445 he got undressed and changed right in front of me. 457 00:22:12,583 --> 00:22:16,952 And I was like, "Wow, why is this guy doing that" 458 00:22:17,087 --> 00:22:21,251 And then I realized-- Oh, this is what, I guess, what European people do. 459 00:22:21,358 --> 00:22:23,554 Because... 460 00:22:23,694 --> 00:22:25,822 You know, I lived in the East Bay. 461 00:22:25,963 --> 00:22:29,399 All I had to contend with was rednecks everywhere, you know? 462 00:22:31,668 --> 00:22:33,830 Metallica's legendary demo cassette, 463 00:22:33,971 --> 00:22:38,738 No Life Til Leather, was recorded in the summer of 1982. 464 00:22:38,842 --> 00:22:42,176 It immediately became a staple of the tape-trading underground 465 00:22:42,312 --> 00:22:45,748 and established the band as a force to be reckoned with. 466 00:22:45,849 --> 00:22:48,944 First we did a four-song demo called "Power Metal," 467 00:22:49,053 --> 00:22:50,987 and then the infamous No Life Til Leather tape 468 00:22:51,121 --> 00:22:52,748 came a couple months after. 469 00:22:53,057 --> 00:22:55,719 I just started sending it in all the same people 470 00:22:55,859 --> 00:23:00,023 that I'd been trading some of this other underground metal stuff with, 471 00:23:00,164 --> 00:23:02,656 like the KJ Doughtons of the world. 472 00:23:02,833 --> 00:23:04,301 Oh my, God, this is tape is amazing. 473 00:23:04,401 --> 00:23:08,031 It just crushes. It's unbelievable, they've come so far. 474 00:23:08,338 --> 00:23:11,672 And I sent Brian the first Metallica demo, 475 00:23:11,809 --> 00:23:13,486 and I think that's the first taste he got of it. 476 00:23:13,510 --> 00:23:13,635 And I think that's the first taste he got of it. 477 00:23:19,383 --> 00:23:20,976 While working at the club, 478 00:23:21,085 --> 00:23:25,886 one of my coworkers had started to do a Monday night event 479 00:23:26,023 --> 00:23:27,354 called Metal Monday, 480 00:23:27,491 --> 00:23:30,927 and these bands that later became thrash were presented. 481 00:23:31,895 --> 00:23:33,863 And it was clear this was a new direction. 482 00:23:34,198 --> 00:23:35,529 Attendance on a Tuesday morning 483 00:23:35,666 --> 00:23:37,532 in any of the high schools across the Bay Area 484 00:23:37,668 --> 00:23:38,965 was pretty poor. 485 00:23:39,069 --> 00:23:40,230 I can attest to that, 486 00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:41,860 because a lot of us were still in high school. 487 00:23:42,005 --> 00:23:44,497 The Bay Area people were so loyal to the band 488 00:23:44,608 --> 00:23:45,575 that if they didn't like the band, 489 00:23:45,709 --> 00:23:47,336 they would actually tum their backs on the-- 490 00:23:47,444 --> 00:23:48,775 On the band while they were playing. 491 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:50,774 There was a band called Hans Naughty. 492 00:23:50,914 --> 00:23:52,575 And they were based in San Francisco 493 00:23:52,716 --> 00:23:56,050 but with very much a Los Angeles Sunset Strip aesthetic, 494 00:23:56,186 --> 00:23:57,551 and they were on the bill with Metallica. 495 00:23:58,188 --> 00:24:00,782 There were fans that had, you know, patches of 496 00:24:00,891 --> 00:24:03,223 obviously their favorite bands on and what not, 497 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,386 and they would show how much they liked the band or didn't like the band. 498 00:24:06,563 --> 00:24:09,760 We might've flipped them off a couple times, and that got boring. So... 499 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:11,368 They just quietly turned, 500 00:24:11,468 --> 00:24:14,563 and that was I guess silent protest. 501 00:24:14,705 --> 00:24:15,536 They got across that-- 502 00:24:15,639 --> 00:24:18,631 Hey, you're not a favorite band, and we're waiting for this one, 503 00:24:18,775 --> 00:24:20,470 the one that's on my back patch. 504 00:24:21,945 --> 00:24:26,382 Cliff came to us and said, "I'd like to learn to play bass guitar." 505 00:24:26,884 --> 00:24:31,378 Jan and I said, yeah, so we got him a cheap guitar and a cheap amplifier, 506 00:24:31,488 --> 00:24:33,252 and started giving him lessons. 507 00:24:33,824 --> 00:24:36,191 And, uh, from then on. 508 00:24:36,326 --> 00:24:38,420 You know, it was all Cliff. 509 00:24:38,829 --> 00:24:41,821 I knew about Cliff Burton from his previous band, Trauma, 510 00:24:42,332 --> 00:24:45,324 because Baloff knew about Trauma. Baloff had seen Trauma and said, 511 00:24:45,469 --> 00:24:46,766 "Oh, you got to see this band. 512 00:24:46,904 --> 00:24:49,396 They've got a killer bass player and a killer guitar player." 513 00:24:49,506 --> 00:24:51,474 He said to me one day, He goes, "Hey, let's-- 514 00:24:51,608 --> 00:24:56,102 You want in go to San Francisco in see a show at the- at the Stone 515 00:24:56,246 --> 00:24:59,375 'What's going on?" He goes, "Well, let's see this band Metallica." 516 00:24:59,516 --> 00:25:01,780 Maybe a couple months letter, I was talking to Lars. 517 00:25:02,286 --> 00:25:04,220 He said, "Do you know any good bass players out there?" 518 00:25:04,321 --> 00:25:07,848 I said, "Well, there's this band from San Francisco 519 00:25:07,991 --> 00:25:10,153 with this amazing bass player named Cliff Burton. 520 00:25:10,294 --> 00:25:12,490 I saw him at the Troubadour a while ago, coming down and playing again. 521 00:25:12,629 --> 00:25:13,926 You guys should come 522 00:25:14,031 --> 00:25:16,295 So Lars was like, "OK, cool." The show happens. 523 00:25:16,433 --> 00:25:17,730 Lars and James were there. 524 00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:20,599 And I didn't know how far into the set, but it was pretty early- 525 00:25:20,704 --> 00:25:22,229 maybe the second or third song-- Lars goes to me, 526 00:25:22,372 --> 00:25:24,466 "That-that's going to be our bass player." 527 00:25:28,512 --> 00:25:31,140 Cliff represented the Bay Area. 528 00:25:31,815 --> 00:25:33,909 He represented a freedom. 529 00:25:34,151 --> 00:25:37,781 He (represented a-a-a Weakness 530 00:25:37,888 --> 00:25:42,758 that I didn't know so much growing up in L.A. 531 00:25:43,293 --> 00:25:46,319 I went and saw Cliff play with Trauma at the Keystone Berkeley, 532 00:25:46,496 --> 00:25:48,965 and it was no secret that the band knew 533 00:25:49,066 --> 00:25:51,865 that Cliff was about in be poached from them. 534 00:25:52,002 --> 00:25:54,130 That's where Cliff belonged, was in Metallica. 535 00:25:54,638 --> 00:25:57,005 Cliff would be talking to somebody on the phone. 536 00:25:57,507 --> 00:25:59,703 And just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. 537 00:25:59,843 --> 00:26:01,368 And this went on for, 538 00:26:01,712 --> 00:26:04,079 oh, golly, I'd swear a month. 539 00:26:04,214 --> 00:26:05,648 And so finally I said in Jan, 540 00:26:05,916 --> 00:26:08,248 "Who's Cliff talking to on the phone so much" 541 00:26:08,385 --> 00:26:11,150 And she said, "Well, there's a band from Los Angeles 542 00:26:11,255 --> 00:26:14,190 that wants him to-lo join them 543 00:26:14,725 --> 00:26:17,717 And, uh, and Clifford said, 544 00:26:17,861 --> 00:26:22,731 "No, I--I'm not going to go down to L.A.," I said-- He said, "I told them," 545 00:26:22,866 --> 00:26:26,962 "If you guys want me to join your band, you can come up to the Bay Area." 546 00:26:27,070 --> 00:26:29,437 And by golly, here they did. 547 00:26:29,573 --> 00:26:31,063 Then one day... 548 00:26:31,208 --> 00:26:32,676 Baloff called me up and said, 549 00:26:32,776 --> 00:26:36,212 "That guy Cliff Burton, bass player for Trauma, is in Metallica now!" 550 00:26:36,346 --> 00:26:38,872 And I said, "No fucking way." 551 00:26:47,891 --> 00:26:49,655 And then I saw them at the Stone, 552 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,253 you know, Cliff's first gig at the Stone. And I—I was just like-- 553 00:27:02,239 --> 00:27:05,573 It was kind of like looking in a minor. Here's another band playing, like, 554 00:27:06,243 --> 00:27:09,838 kind of what we are, you know, their own stamp on it. 555 00:27:10,113 --> 00:27:11,205 But, you know, 556 00:27:11,315 --> 00:27:15,013 I remember I-- just hanging out and getting hammered that night, 557 00:27:15,152 --> 00:27:17,416 and we just all kind of said the same thing. It's like-- 558 00:27:17,554 --> 00:27:19,545 We kind of found our kindred spirit, you know? 559 00:27:19,656 --> 00:27:21,920 There was a lot of integrity 560 00:27:22,059 --> 00:27:23,891 in the metal scene in San Francisco. 561 00:27:23,994 --> 00:27:27,259 And, you know, besides going up on the hill by the park 562 00:27:27,397 --> 00:27:30,423 and just blasting whatever music we were loving, 563 00:27:30,567 --> 00:27:32,057 booze and music, you know! 564 00:27:32,169 --> 00:27:35,036 That was our collective. That's where we got to know each other 565 00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:37,163 and really feel like we had a family. 566 00:27:37,307 --> 00:27:39,503 Cliff is the one that brought us to the Bay Area. 567 00:27:39,943 --> 00:27:42,071 If you want me in the band, you got to come up here. 568 00:27:42,979 --> 00:27:45,346 On December 28th, 1982, 569 00:27:45,849 --> 00:27:49,308 Cliff Burton was invited to play in a small house in El Cerrito 570 00:27:49,453 --> 00:27:52,479 that would later come to be known as the Metallica Mansion. 571 00:27:53,357 --> 00:27:57,123 Part audition, part rehearsal, only a lucky few were there. 572 00:27:57,928 --> 00:28:00,363 No audio exists, but fortunately for history 573 00:28:00,464 --> 00:28:04,423 Brian Lew brought his camera and photographed the new band lineup. 574 00:28:04,534 --> 00:28:06,798 At some point Lars probably called me and said, 575 00:28:06,937 --> 00:28:09,031 "You know, we're going in be playing with our new bassist." 576 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,866 Ron Quintana was there. Rich Burch was there. 577 00:28:13,009 --> 00:28:15,535 Ian Callin, who did Metal Mania with Ron, was there. 578 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,841 There was a group of maybe five or six of us. 579 00:28:17,981 --> 00:28:21,349 There's this little room in El Cerrito, and that was the living room 580 00:28:21,485 --> 00:28:23,749 where Metallica played with Cliff for the first time. 581 00:28:23,854 --> 00:28:25,049 And that was it. 582 00:28:32,496 --> 00:28:36,126 Jamming with Cliff for the first time in the-- in the living room there, 583 00:28:36,233 --> 00:28:38,668 hearing "Seek and Destroy", and all of a sudden he's doing some stuff. 584 00:28:38,802 --> 00:28:41,328 It's like-- Oh, my, God, this is going to be awesome. 585 00:28:41,905 --> 00:28:45,102 It sort of catapulted Metallica to another level. 586 00:28:45,542 --> 00:28:47,306 In early 1983, 587 00:28:47,411 --> 00:28:50,176 Metallica moved from Los Angeles to the Bay Area. 588 00:28:50,881 --> 00:28:55,011 A very shod window of time with Mustaine in the band 589 00:28:55,152 --> 00:28:56,313 and Cliff in the band, 590 00:28:56,420 --> 00:29:00,015 and rehearsing and a few really great shows in the Bay Area. 591 00:29:04,861 --> 00:29:05,885 That was one of the things 592 00:29:06,029 --> 00:29:07,861 that you could tell when we played together. 593 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,191 When the lights are off and the guitars are roaring, 594 00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:13,598 there's a respect 595 00:29:14,371 --> 00:29:16,203 Just the whole area, being up there, 596 00:29:16,606 --> 00:29:19,132 getting Cliff on board, it felt like home. 597 00:29:20,744 --> 00:29:23,213 And then it came time for us in play the show at the Stone. 598 00:29:23,947 --> 00:29:27,577 We went on, and we had a great show. The place was packed. 599 00:29:27,918 --> 00:29:29,386 And then Metallica came on, 600 00:29:31,688 --> 00:29:34,385 and it was the first time that I'd actually been able 601 00:29:34,524 --> 00:29:35,787 in watch the whole show. 602 00:29:36,593 --> 00:29:38,459 As I'm watching them, I thought, 603 00:29:38,595 --> 00:29:42,429 "These guys are fucking great. They'd be so much better with me." 604 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:49,236 In the New York area, 605 00:29:49,372 --> 00:29:53,240 Anthrax was proudly flying the flag of the new heavy metal. 606 00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:55,403 I think we felt kind of out of it 607 00:29:55,545 --> 00:29:58,412 because we were the only band on the East Coast 608 00:29:58,548 --> 00:30:00,312 that wanted to do something like this. 609 00:30:00,417 --> 00:30:04,376 And we thought it was so cool that in the Bay Area, 610 00:30:04,488 --> 00:30:08,015 there was this kind of club of these type of bands 611 00:30:08,158 --> 00:30:10,456 that were gigging around and just making music. 612 00:30:10,594 --> 00:30:13,393 And I remember Exodus being one of the first bands, 613 00:30:13,497 --> 00:30:16,956 beside Metallica, that I thought were fucking great. 614 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,334 I just started getting the tape out there, 615 00:30:20,003 --> 00:30:22,870 and then, um, we started getting you know, some good response. 616 00:30:23,006 --> 00:30:26,772 And, you now, eventually this tape ended up in the hands of Johnny Z. 617 00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:31,308 Around that time we were meeting with Johnny Z in New Jersey, 618 00:30:32,249 --> 00:30:33,410 giving him demos. 619 00:30:33,517 --> 00:30:36,714 He was bringing the band from San Francisco in come over. 620 00:30:36,853 --> 00:30:40,312 Johnny Z, he came down to the house with a demo tape, 621 00:30:40,457 --> 00:30:42,255 which was No Life 'Fl Leather. 622 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:43,724 We were blown away. 623 00:30:43,860 --> 00:30:47,626 Metallica was always ahead of us and the other bands, you know! 624 00:30:47,764 --> 00:30:49,528 They were always six months in a year ahead of us. 625 00:30:49,633 --> 00:30:53,297 They came out with Kill 'Em All before any other band had their records out. 626 00:30:53,436 --> 00:30:57,373 I think Kill 'Em All really set the lone for what was gonna come. 627 00:30:58,174 --> 00:31:00,040 In April 1983, 628 00:31:00,176 --> 00:31:04,374 Dave Mustaine was let go from Metallica and replaced by Kirk Hammett. 629 00:31:04,514 --> 00:31:07,540 We had obviously started hanging out with Exodus, 630 00:31:07,684 --> 00:31:11,643 and Kirk was definitely very musically gifted. 631 00:31:11,788 --> 00:31:14,450 And he was also very up for whatever was going on. 632 00:31:14,558 --> 00:31:16,526 Yeah, Kirk and I were at this party. 633 00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:19,493 He's like, "Hey, man, come here. Mark Whitaker just called me. 634 00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:21,961 They want me to audition [or Metallica." 635 00:31:22,132 --> 00:31:24,430 You know, it's like a passing of the torch, you know? 636 00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:28,493 Like, Kirk giving me the keys in the family car, you know, and saying, 637 00:31:28,638 --> 00:31:30,766 "Here, it's yours now. Don't blow it up 638 00:31:32,509 --> 00:31:34,136 As far as the music was concerned, 639 00:31:34,244 --> 00:31:38,511 Exodus' music was similar as to what Metallica was doing already. 640 00:31:39,349 --> 00:31:42,717 I had the chops to be able in play all that stuff on Kill 'Em All, 641 00:31:42,852 --> 00:31:45,480 no problem. That was the least of my worries, 642 00:31:46,056 --> 00:31:49,356 because even then I knew that when you go into a band, 643 00:31:49,492 --> 00:31:50,960 there's a certain dynamic. 644 00:31:51,061 --> 00:31:55,396 And if your personality doesn't work within that-that band dynamic, 645 00:31:55,532 --> 00:31:56,522 it just won't work. 646 00:31:56,933 --> 00:31:58,025 You won't go anywhere. 647 00:31:58,368 --> 00:32:01,360 A group of die-hard New Jersey metal fans 648 00:32:01,504 --> 00:32:04,838 known as the Old Bridge Militia took Metallica into their home, 649 00:32:05,275 --> 00:32:06,606 the Funhouse. 650 00:32:06,776 --> 00:32:08,608 It's pretty amazing that the house got a nickname, 651 00:32:08,745 --> 00:32:11,339 which was the Funhouse because of all the things that we did down there. 652 00:32:11,448 --> 00:32:13,815 The place was all about fun, because what did you do there? 653 00:32:14,217 --> 00:32:16,015 - You had dirt bikes happening. - Oh, yeah, there was- 654 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,384 You had canoe rides hooked to a chain. 655 00:32:19,522 --> 00:32:23,322 We were welcomed to quite a few places that maybe shouldn't have. 656 00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:25,789 - The Funhouse-- - Not much to pick from. 657 00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:28,828 - They didn't have much. Yeah. Yeah. - A house with no heat, sometimes. 658 00:32:28,932 --> 00:32:31,924 You know, they supplied us with the things we needed. 659 00:32:33,036 --> 00:32:36,472 You know, everybody knew that we would have these crazy parties 660 00:32:36,573 --> 00:32:37,938 with the music going crazy. 661 00:32:38,074 --> 00:32:42,534 The sound system was... I believe it was like a four-channel Onkyo. 662 00:32:42,646 --> 00:32:44,740 Yeah, I had the SAE, but we bought a regular-- 663 00:32:44,881 --> 00:32:47,213 - Rack system. - Yeah, a whole rack system. 664 00:32:47,384 --> 00:32:48,909 Yeah, we just didn't have the regular speakers. 665 00:32:49,052 --> 00:32:50,645 We had-- I guess they were monitors, right? 666 00:32:50,754 --> 00:32:54,588 Two 12s, two 14s-- whatever. It went up to the ceiling of the house. 667 00:32:54,724 --> 00:32:56,385 Run a demo, and then you're in your bedroom. 668 00:32:56,493 --> 00:32:58,070 You know, It was like, wow, this is pretty wild. 669 00:32:58,094 --> 00:32:58,686 You know, It was like, wow, this is pretty wild. 670 00:32:59,729 --> 00:33:01,424 Meanwhile back in the East Bay, 671 00:33:01,564 --> 00:33:05,592 Exodus quickly took hold as the Bay Area's go-to heavy metal band. 672 00:33:05,735 --> 00:33:08,864 Ruthie's Inn became home to the burgeoning scene. 673 00:33:09,172 --> 00:33:10,867 [Crowd chanting "Exodus 674 00:33:11,341 --> 00:33:12,638 Looks like someone's trying in make 675 00:33:12,776 --> 00:33:14,266 a respectable location out of this place. 676 00:33:14,411 --> 00:33:16,539 Let's open it back up, Ruthie's Inn. 677 00:33:16,646 --> 00:33:19,081 Last time I was down here, it still had the marquee, 678 00:33:19,683 --> 00:33:21,651 and you could still see Ruthie's Inn on it. 679 00:33:21,785 --> 00:33:25,744 This place was as much the epicenter of the Bay Area thrash scene 680 00:33:25,855 --> 00:33:29,553 as CBGBs was to the New York punk scene. 681 00:33:29,959 --> 00:33:32,792 I mean, there were so many clubs prior to Ruthie's, 682 00:33:32,929 --> 00:33:34,727 but this is where the Vio-lence took off. 683 00:33:34,864 --> 00:33:37,834 This is where "Murder in the Front Row' really did lake place. 684 00:33:39,202 --> 00:33:41,000 My father was Wes Robinson, 685 00:33:41,137 --> 00:33:42,627 born in Port Arthur, Texas. 686 00:33:42,772 --> 00:33:45,707 Came out to the East Bay about 1933. 687 00:33:46,176 --> 00:33:48,941 He grew up in a household that was full of music, 688 00:33:49,045 --> 00:33:52,413 and they were hardcore jazz aficionados. 689 00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:57,146 They would sneak out late at night to go see Ella Fitzgerald or the classics. 690 00:33:57,287 --> 00:34:00,313 A lot of the greats. That started his love of music. 691 00:34:00,490 --> 00:34:01,855 It wasn't so much that he had a club, 692 00:34:01,991 --> 00:34:04,653 but rather that he would foster relationships 693 00:34:04,794 --> 00:34:09,129 that allowed him to use-- use different venues for performances. 694 00:34:10,133 --> 00:34:12,761 He was a promoter, and that was the beginning. 695 00:34:12,902 --> 00:34:16,361 And Wes Robinson, you know, the late, great Wes Robinson, you know, 696 00:34:16,673 --> 00:34:20,541 booked Exodus at the first ever show at Ruthie's, a blues club. 697 00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:22,337 His joy for something 698 00:34:22,479 --> 00:34:25,608 always led his actions into getting involved with ii. 699 00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:27,183 He never got involved with something 700 00:34:27,317 --> 00:34:30,082 just because he might be able to make some money at it. 701 00:34:30,754 --> 00:34:33,724 He saw something in it. I'm--I'm not sure what-what he saw. 702 00:34:33,857 --> 00:34:38,158 Maybe he recognized from when--when he was a musician, being younger. 703 00:34:38,595 --> 00:34:40,085 Obviously much different music, 704 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:42,392 but I think he saw some of that same energy. 705 00:34:42,532 --> 00:34:44,899 So he really helped nurture the scene. 706 00:34:45,268 --> 00:34:49,466 There were battles along the way. There were battles from the neighborhood. 707 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:51,773 Um, you know, there was a- 708 00:34:51,875 --> 00:34:56,870 um, there was a parking lot across from Ruthie's that is- Still-- 709 00:34:57,013 --> 00:34:59,448 The business is still there. Big 0 Tires. 710 00:34:59,582 --> 00:35:02,176 People would throw up in there, in that parking lot, 711 00:35:02,285 --> 00:35:03,946 and, like, break bottles. 712 00:35:04,387 --> 00:35:07,516 After a while I was, like-- These people never complain. 713 00:35:07,624 --> 00:35:09,820 They never call the cops. They never do anything. 714 00:35:09,959 --> 00:35:13,122 After thinking about it, I'm like-- Well, they do sell tires there, so. 715 00:35:13,296 --> 00:35:16,288 We would party right across the street at the Big 0 parking lot. 716 00:35:16,432 --> 00:35:19,129 Someone would roll up in their Chevy Nova, 717 00:35:19,269 --> 00:35:22,239 crack the trunk, and there'd be coolers of beer 718 00:35:22,372 --> 00:35:25,398 and bottles of Jack and what not. And we all hung out. 719 00:35:25,542 --> 00:35:28,842 Half the bands would wait with us and drink with us, and then-- 720 00:35:28,945 --> 00:35:30,310 Oh, got to go into the show. 721 00:35:30,580 --> 00:35:32,912 Well, Exodus shows at Ruthie's were really crazy. 722 00:35:33,049 --> 00:35:35,916 I mean, I don't think I ever paid once to get into the show. 723 00:35:36,052 --> 00:35:37,713 Wes would be sitting at the door. 724 00:35:37,821 --> 00:35:40,188 I would walk by, and he'd just kind of go like that 725 00:35:40,323 --> 00:35:44,419 Connie, Pam, Rebecca, Leah, 726 00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:46,256 those girls were something else, 727 00:35:46,396 --> 00:35:48,558 because there weren't very many of us at all. 728 00:35:48,665 --> 00:35:51,327 We would go to the bar. We would sit down. We would drink. 729 00:35:51,467 --> 00:35:55,301 We didn't have IDs. We weren't old enough. But it just sort of happened. 730 00:35:55,438 --> 00:35:58,135 You know, people were dancing, and the bands were playing so hard. 731 00:35:58,274 --> 00:36:00,766 It became very human, very fast. 732 00:36:00,910 --> 00:36:04,369 That's when we found our home, because it was kind of where we were from. 733 00:36:04,681 --> 00:36:06,775 You know, Rick and Paul were both from Berkeley. 734 00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:10,375 You know, Robbie was from Berkeley. Torn and I were from San Pablo. 735 00:36:10,753 --> 00:36:12,084 Exodus at Ruthie's Inn-- 736 00:36:12,188 --> 00:36:15,123 A random person would just record it and send it off to our pen pal friends. 737 00:36:15,258 --> 00:36:21,061 So you know, pre Bonded by Blood, this is how Exodus' music got out. 738 00:36:26,169 --> 00:36:28,263 Livery quickly became a scene. 739 00:36:28,504 --> 00:36:30,871 It was the place to go. They have great kamikazes. 740 00:36:31,140 --> 00:36:32,801 You knew never knew what was going to happen. 741 00:36:33,142 --> 00:36:35,406 You know, some crazy shit was going to jump off. 742 00:36:35,511 --> 00:36:37,343 Of course, I was young, and we were all just raging, 743 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,244 and... it was a party. 744 00:36:39,716 --> 00:36:41,013 The place was really dark, 745 00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:43,642 and you kind of, like, getaway with almost anything there. 746 00:36:43,786 --> 00:36:45,550 I'll never forget onetime going through the crowd, 747 00:36:45,655 --> 00:36:46,986 like, headbanging and going crazy and stuff. 748 00:36:47,123 --> 00:36:50,491 I actually tripped on some people. There were some people, like, having sex. 749 00:36:50,827 --> 00:36:54,320 The shows were classic, dude. I mean, it was like Ruthie's Inn, 750 00:36:54,464 --> 00:36:57,092 so hot and humid in there. The walls would be sweating. 751 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,170 People are hanging off of plumbing pipes and sprinklers, 752 00:37:00,303 --> 00:37:02,101 and toilets were getting broke. 753 00:37:02,205 --> 00:37:04,139 The place would just get fucking destroyed, 754 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,208 and they'd still have us back, like, two weeks later. 755 00:37:06,676 --> 00:37:09,441 Toby Rage, Andy Anderson, Lonnie Hunolt... 756 00:37:10,313 --> 00:37:11,747 You know, we'd all take turns. 757 00:37:12,048 --> 00:37:13,482 We called it bowling ball. 758 00:37:14,317 --> 00:37:16,285 And it's where people jump on stage, 759 00:37:16,386 --> 00:37:19,412 and you're crouched in a ducking position by the drums. 760 00:37:19,555 --> 00:37:22,923 You get a running start and just linebacker them as hard as you could 761 00:37:23,059 --> 00:37:24,151 down into the crowd, you know? 762 00:37:24,260 --> 00:37:25,227 That was fun. 763 00:37:25,361 --> 00:37:27,352 We were hanging out at the Big O across the street. 764 00:37:27,497 --> 00:37:29,295 This cat Toby Rage comes up, 765 00:37:29,399 --> 00:37:32,562 and he sees Leroy with his Mike Tereo hair 766 00:37:32,702 --> 00:37:34,500 and his while Capezios. 767 00:37:34,604 --> 00:37:35,901 And he walks up, and he just goes... 768 00:37:37,607 --> 00:37:38,870 Nice shoes. 769 00:37:39,008 --> 00:37:42,638 Toby Rage was, again, I never saw him break character. 770 00:37:43,246 --> 00:37:47,205 I don't know how he lived at that level. 771 00:37:47,784 --> 00:37:52,221 I just remember just feeling, you know, claustrophobic in there, 772 00:37:52,355 --> 00:37:54,619 but if the music was good, that was all that mattered. 773 00:37:54,724 --> 00:37:57,489 Exodus just owned it, and the pits were violent as hell. 774 00:37:57,593 --> 00:37:59,288 Ii was just- 775 00:37:59,429 --> 00:38:01,591 It was-- it was-- It was glorious. 776 00:38:01,898 --> 00:38:04,230 You know, Exodus's group of close friends, 777 00:38:04,367 --> 00:38:05,892 you know, they were called the Slay Team, 778 00:38:06,035 --> 00:38:09,198 and literally if someone showed up at Ruthie's Inn 779 00:38:09,305 --> 00:38:12,240 wearing a Motley Crue or Ratt or a hair metal band shirt, 780 00:38:12,375 --> 00:38:15,003 they would literally tear the shirt off the kid's back. 781 00:38:15,445 --> 00:38:17,311 They would cut strips off of the shirt 782 00:38:17,447 --> 00:38:19,472 and tie them around their wrists, like scalps, 783 00:38:19,615 --> 00:38:22,209 and those aren't fucking friendship ships. 784 00:38:22,318 --> 00:38:23,945 Those are like war trophies. 785 00:38:24,454 --> 00:38:25,979 Lizzie Green, Baloff's girlfriend, 786 00:38:26,122 --> 00:38:27,920 actually did a comic book that was based on the Slay Team. 787 00:38:28,324 --> 00:38:30,759 It was just them going out and killing posers, literally. 788 00:38:30,927 --> 00:38:34,921 Paul and I had this idea that we were going in make money. 789 00:38:35,064 --> 00:38:37,192 And so I draw up this whole comic. 790 00:38:37,333 --> 00:38:39,825 She would sit there and draw these little comics, 791 00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:43,234 which have now become the Slay Team comics, which are famous. 792 00:38:43,339 --> 00:38:46,172 "I can't believe this. That car just ran him down. 793 00:38:46,576 --> 00:38:48,101 Someone wants to kill us all. 794 00:38:48,244 --> 00:38:52,875 |I's the Slay Team, and they will kill us all unless we strike back." 795 00:38:52,982 --> 00:38:54,916 So we start a poser war. 796 00:38:55,018 --> 00:38:58,511 So, this is actually a real person. We called him Poser Bob. 797 00:38:58,654 --> 00:39:00,645 I don't remember what Bob's real name is. 798 00:39:00,790 --> 00:39:04,658 He did dress like this. He had no problem being a poser. 799 00:39:05,261 --> 00:39:08,561 By the way, folks, she's now a nuclear scientist. 800 00:39:08,865 --> 00:39:12,495 I research explosives for the government, is the-- is the party line, 801 00:39:12,635 --> 00:39:15,502 but I blow shit up for the government is my line. 802 00:39:19,375 --> 00:39:21,537 Toby Rage, I mean, it's like-- 803 00:39:21,677 --> 00:39:25,841 Nobody was going to try posing if all of a sudden you were going to get, 804 00:39:25,982 --> 00:39:29,111 you know, a Converse footprint on the side of your head. 805 00:39:29,218 --> 00:39:32,381 I got off the plane the one day, went to Ruthie's the next day. 806 00:39:32,522 --> 00:39:36,459 People were jumping on the PA slack. They were jumping off into the crowd. 807 00:39:36,793 --> 00:39:38,921 People were standing with their backs against the stage, 808 00:39:39,028 --> 00:39:42,191 holding their hands like this, throwing people on. 809 00:39:42,331 --> 00:39:44,766 We had never seen anything like that in Europe. 810 00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:57,107 [Crowd chanting "Kill! Kill 811 00:39:57,847 --> 00:39:58,939 No stage diving for me. 812 00:39:59,048 --> 00:40:01,244 Most of the time I stood just on the outside 813 00:40:01,384 --> 00:40:03,716 and let some other guys push the guys in the middle. 814 00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:06,912 Just close enough so you could still see the band but not gel, 815 00:40:07,056 --> 00:40:08,581 YOU know, [UH over. 816 00:40:08,724 --> 00:40:10,214 Ruthie's was insane. 817 00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:13,288 And we were never real crazy about 818 00:40:13,396 --> 00:40:15,888 keeping people offstage at that point, you know? 819 00:40:16,065 --> 00:40:18,329 That's what they did, and they had a damn good time doing it. 820 00:40:18,434 --> 00:40:20,926 If you were a poser or a dippy girl or something like that, 821 00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:22,265 they could be terrifying, 822 00:40:22,405 --> 00:40:24,499 but if you were a friend of theirs 823 00:40:24,607 --> 00:40:26,132 and you understood them or you accepted them, 824 00:40:26,275 --> 00:40:28,107 their hearts were so big. 825 00:40:28,244 --> 00:40:31,214 One of those defining moments in any scene, 826 00:40:31,347 --> 00:40:34,942 where that was the show that inspired the lyrics in "Bonded by Blood." 827 00:40:35,251 --> 00:40:37,913 I remember it was us and some rock band playing, right? 828 00:40:38,087 --> 00:40:40,112 And the rock band, they were up there rocking out 829 00:40:40,256 --> 00:40:41,724 for their sisters band or whatever 830 00:40:41,858 --> 00:40:44,350 with their drink glasses and left them on the front of the stage. 831 00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:47,589 And when we come on, everybody starts smashing all the glass. 832 00:40:47,763 --> 00:40:50,289 So people's hands got cut, so there was literally-- 833 00:40:50,433 --> 00:40:51,400 - Blood upon the stage. - Blood upon the stage. 834 00:40:51,534 --> 00:40:53,195 There's literally blood all over. 835 00:40:53,302 --> 00:40:56,966 And I remember this one girl who was there to see the rock band 836 00:40:57,106 --> 00:40:59,097 must've saw something she liked about the band, 837 00:40:59,242 --> 00:41:01,870 and she was up front and was rocking out, you know-- This is kind of cool. 838 00:41:01,978 --> 00:41:05,278 And Paul reached down and got a big smear, a handful of blood, 839 00:41:05,414 --> 00:41:07,439 and just wiped it down her face. 840 00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:09,711 And she just ran out-- Ah!-- screaming. 841 00:41:11,287 --> 00:41:14,917 Bonded by Blood is written by a band who were in the thick of it. 842 00:41:15,391 --> 00:41:19,988 That song and that album resonate so much because it's a product of the scene. 843 00:41:20,763 --> 00:41:22,356 ♪ Murder in the front row ♪ 844 00:41:22,465 --> 00:41:25,230 ♪ Crowd begins to bang And there's blood upon the stage ♪ 845 00:41:25,334 --> 00:41:28,269 ♪ Bang your head against the stage And metal lakes its price ♪ 846 00:41:28,404 --> 00:41:29,894 ♪ Bonded by blood ♪ 847 00:41:30,006 --> 00:41:30,871 You know, if you listen to it, 848 00:41:31,007 --> 00:41:32,668 it's almost like a documentary in some ways 849 00:41:32,808 --> 00:41:37,143 about those brief years when this whole Bay Area scene was just getting going, 850 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,907 like, you know, '83 to '85. 851 00:42:05,975 --> 00:42:11,937 Nobody, and I mean nobody, had ever seen anything like Slayer. 852 00:42:16,485 --> 00:42:19,614 I remember thinking this is really interesting, OK? 853 00:42:19,722 --> 00:42:21,520 They're from Southern California, 854 00:42:22,291 --> 00:42:24,055 but they're faster than... 855 00:42:24,694 --> 00:42:25,684 Any band I've heard. 856 00:42:26,028 --> 00:42:28,019 The imagery, and the speed, 857 00:42:28,164 --> 00:42:31,759 and just the heaviness oi ii all just kind of took me into this. 858 00:42:32,702 --> 00:42:33,897 Fucking Slayer. 859 00:42:37,673 --> 00:42:41,007 ♪ I am the Antichrist It's what I was meant to be ♪ 860 00:42:41,344 --> 00:42:45,440 ♪ Your God left me behind And set my soul to be free ♪ 861 00:42:46,048 --> 00:42:47,243 When we went to the Bay Area, 862 00:42:47,383 --> 00:42:49,408 that's where we felt at home, 863 00:42:49,819 --> 00:42:51,344 because L.A. was saturated 864 00:42:51,487 --> 00:42:53,581 and Hollywood was saturated with glam rock. 865 00:42:53,689 --> 00:42:55,054 We all know what that is, 866 00:42:55,191 --> 00:42:59,025 compared to, you know, thrashers and metal heads. We were opposite. 867 00:42:59,428 --> 00:43:01,624 When we played, all I remember 868 00:43:01,764 --> 00:43:04,256 is the enthusiasm of the crowd, their intensity. 869 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,765 Kids jumping on the stage, 870 00:43:05,901 --> 00:43:08,871 and then they'd just start walking on people's heads and shoulders, you know, 871 00:43:09,005 --> 00:43:10,837 'cause everybody was just stuck together. 872 00:43:11,574 --> 00:43:13,599 We went up north and we did a show with Exodus, 873 00:43:13,743 --> 00:43:15,677 which blew me away. 874 00:43:16,212 --> 00:43:17,737 There's nothing wrong with imports. 875 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,645 The Bay Area was the epicenter of the thrash scene, 876 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:24,550 and if your own region was not welcoming of you, we would be. 877 00:43:25,221 --> 00:43:27,246 Being from L.A., nobody--nobody did what we did. 878 00:43:27,690 --> 00:43:29,784 So to be there, and in hear them, 879 00:43:29,892 --> 00:43:31,826 and think-- Oh my, God, these-these guys-- 880 00:43:31,927 --> 00:43:33,793 They're-they're doing the same thing we are. 881 00:43:33,929 --> 00:43:35,556 Really heavy music, awesome. 882 00:43:35,698 --> 00:43:38,065 The sounds are awesome. The band is fucking awesome. 883 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,635 The guys were really cool, and we got along great. 884 00:43:41,037 --> 00:43:43,335 L.A. was more where the hair metal was going down. 885 00:43:43,439 --> 00:43:44,929 So we're kind of in 0.0., 886 00:43:45,141 --> 00:43:48,167 and the O.C. crowd was very similar to the Bay Area crowd, 887 00:43:48,311 --> 00:43:50,780 but the Bay Area crowd was far more advanced. 888 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,409 I first became aware of Slayer, um, when Brian Slagel, 889 00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:57,815 who runs Metal Bay Records, he sent me an advanced tape of Show No Mercy, 890 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,081 their first album. 891 00:43:59,221 --> 00:44:00,416 It was almost like a demo. 892 00:44:00,556 --> 00:44:02,581 And, again, it was at the time when 893 00:44:02,725 --> 00:44:05,558 all we cared about were bands that played fast. 894 00:44:05,728 --> 00:44:08,698 And Slayer came up here and played their first three shows 895 00:44:08,798 --> 00:44:11,290 in January '84, 896 00:44:11,434 --> 00:44:13,732 and the first one was at the Keystone Berkeley. 897 00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:15,936 If you look at the back cover of Show No Mercy, 898 00:44:16,072 --> 00:44:17,767 they were wearing eyeliner. 899 00:44:17,907 --> 00:44:19,602 Why do you wear makeup? 900 00:44:19,775 --> 00:44:21,038 You can't || it glam, 901 00:44:21,143 --> 00:44:24,579 and it wasn't really makeup, but it was eyeliner. 902 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,012 Somebody made the remark, "Why are you guys wearing that makeup?" 903 00:44:27,149 --> 00:44:29,516 And my thought is-- I'm not-- I'm not really wearing makeup. 904 00:44:29,652 --> 00:44:32,587 But, you know, you don't need to be wearing that stuff, man. 905 00:44:33,356 --> 00:44:34,482 They're all in makeup, 906 00:44:34,623 --> 00:44:38,719 and they have, you know, the spandex and all the trip going on. 907 00:44:38,828 --> 00:44:41,297 And I think Kerry might've had spikes at that point. 908 00:44:41,464 --> 00:44:43,592 Whether you don't know me, whether you don't know the guitar, 909 00:44:43,699 --> 00:44:45,861 whether you don't know much about Slayer, you know those nails. 910 00:44:46,035 --> 00:44:49,528 They had some shit going on that I was- 'What the fuck is this?" 911 00:44:49,672 --> 00:44:52,937 People like Andy Anderson and Toby Rage, like, the original Slay Team. 912 00:44:53,042 --> 00:44:56,535 They noticed it and started a chant of "lake off the makeup." 913 00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:58,147 And-- you know- Andy even went 914 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,147 as far as going to the men's room and getting paper towels. 915 00:45:01,283 --> 00:45:02,910 And we waved the paper towels at them. 916 00:45:03,152 --> 00:45:04,620 Slayer did two shows. 917 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,189 They played the Keystone Berkeley the night before 918 00:45:07,323 --> 00:45:09,621 and then played Ruthie's the following night with Exodus. 919 00:45:09,725 --> 00:45:13,093 The Keystone Berkeley show was the last show they wore the makeup, 920 00:45:13,229 --> 00:45:16,426 'cause we told them that shit won't wash at Ruthie's Inn. 921 00:45:16,565 --> 00:45:17,760 That was it [or me. 922 00:45:18,067 --> 00:45:20,536 Took all that shit off. Was like, "Fuck it, I don't need that shit." 923 00:45:20,669 --> 00:45:24,037 So I just stuck with, uh, black shirts and leather penis. 924 00:45:25,408 --> 00:45:27,069 And after the Keystone Berkeley show, 925 00:45:27,209 --> 00:45:30,474 we destroyed their hotel. It was a swath of destruction. 926 00:45:30,579 --> 00:45:33,549 It had in be admired and appreciated. It was awesome. 927 00:45:36,318 --> 00:45:38,810 They had a hotel room at the Berkeley Plaza Hotel, 928 00:45:38,921 --> 00:45:40,013 and we just destroyed that place. 929 00:45:40,423 --> 00:45:42,448 Showed up with, I think, Torn Hunting, 930 00:45:43,025 --> 00:45:45,790 and these guys were nailing pizza to the ceiling, man, 931 00:45:45,895 --> 00:45:48,990 and, you know, jamming everything they could in the toilet 932 00:45:49,098 --> 00:45:51,089 And, you know, we--we actually tunneled 933 00:45:51,233 --> 00:45:54,225 a-a hole through the wall into the manager's hotel room. 934 00:45:55,004 --> 00:45:59,168 They trashed this motel room that I-- that I had under my name, 935 00:45:59,275 --> 00:46:01,403 'cause I was the oldest guy in the band. 936 00:46:02,044 --> 00:46:04,570 So we had two rooms, and they trashed them. 937 00:46:05,014 --> 00:46:07,449 Not too many years ago now Kerry and I were having a conversation, 938 00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:08,847 and somehow that came up. He was like, 939 00:46:08,951 --> 00:46:10,646 "Yeah, I got in a lot of trouble [or that" 940 00:46:10,786 --> 00:46:14,313 That was kind of our first introduction into traveling away from home. 941 00:46:17,426 --> 00:46:18,518 In 1984, 942 00:46:18,627 --> 00:46:23,121 Wes Robinson organized a mini-festival bringing together venous types of bands. 943 00:46:23,466 --> 00:46:26,993 Although called Eastern Front, the festival was affectionately known as 944 00:46:27,136 --> 00:46:28,160 Day on the Dirt, 945 00:46:28,304 --> 00:46:32,241 a sly nod towards Bill Graham's much larger Day on the Green shows. 946 00:46:32,374 --> 00:46:36,743 It was how we would envision what a day on the green should be, 947 00:46:36,879 --> 00:46:39,746 because these were our heroes. These were our bands. 948 00:46:39,882 --> 00:46:43,375 And Wes Robinson, who ran Ruthie's Inn, organized it. 949 00:46:43,486 --> 00:46:46,478 It was kind of like the Woodstock moment of the Bay Area scene. 950 00:46:46,722 --> 00:46:49,817 He wanted people to be able 10 do what they wanted to do 951 00:46:50,459 --> 00:46:53,724 and, you know, hopefully make some money at it, 952 00:46:54,597 --> 00:46:58,727 and if you didn't make any money, at least there was the show. 953 00:46:58,834 --> 00:47:00,461 This was all at an aquatic park, 954 00:47:00,603 --> 00:47:01,695 which is at the bottom of Berkeley, 955 00:47:01,804 --> 00:47:05,934 right across this estuary that flanks the 80 Interstate. 956 00:47:06,308 --> 00:47:09,676 The lineup was... Slayer, Exodus, 957 00:47:09,812 --> 00:47:12,975 Possessed, Suicidal Tendencies. 958 00:47:13,282 --> 00:47:15,046 It's kind of a defining moment historically, 959 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:16,811 because that's a crossover moment. 960 00:47:16,952 --> 00:47:18,386 Like, Suicidal was a hardcore band, 961 00:47:18,487 --> 00:47:21,115 and they were playing with Exodus and Slayer, who are metal bands. 962 00:47:21,257 --> 00:47:24,022 I know for a fact that the band could not play L.A. 963 00:47:24,126 --> 00:47:25,321 when I first joined the band. 964 00:47:26,295 --> 00:47:30,630 And, uh, basically Suicidal Tendencies was banned from Los Angeles. 965 00:47:30,799 --> 00:47:33,268 Everyone sort of went like, "Hey, we're not that different." 966 00:47:33,369 --> 00:47:35,963 We love extreme music. We fucking hale glam rock. 967 00:47:36,105 --> 00:47:39,131 We hated all the bullshit about, like, you know, poser-type shit. 968 00:47:39,275 --> 00:47:42,905 It was, like, kind of a defining moment, because everyone who was there were like, 969 00:47:43,012 --> 00:47:45,140 "Wow, like, this is pretty cool." 970 00:47:45,281 --> 00:47:46,715 And you can see all the photos. 971 00:47:46,815 --> 00:47:50,513 I mean, all those guys were fast friends already, 972 00:47:50,653 --> 00:47:52,781 and if not, that solidified it. 973 00:47:54,189 --> 00:47:55,623 That was one of the first shows where 974 00:47:55,724 --> 00:47:58,489 I started seeing, like, you know, the camaraderie of the bands and stuff, 975 00:47:58,861 --> 00:48:01,489 and I think that's one of the things that shows in the pictures, too. 976 00:48:02,631 --> 00:48:05,760 It was just amazing, you know, the spirit up north, 977 00:48:05,868 --> 00:48:07,563 experiencing that positive energy. 978 00:48:07,736 --> 00:48:09,363 And [or me it was all brand new, 979 00:48:09,505 --> 00:48:13,135 because, again, I didn't even get a chance to play L.A. yet 980 00:48:13,242 --> 00:48:15,609 you know, with the-- with this band that was from L.A. 981 00:48:16,045 --> 00:48:17,706 It was a fast and furious pit, 982 00:48:17,846 --> 00:48:19,041 and we had plenty of room. 983 00:48:19,181 --> 00:48:22,344 The dirt was flying, and, uh, it was a great show. 984 00:48:27,856 --> 00:48:30,291 Dave Mustaine began his new band, Megadeth, 985 00:48:30,392 --> 00:48:31,484 with a vengeance 986 00:48:31,594 --> 00:48:36,054 and immediately played the Bay Area, where he was welcomed with open arms. 987 00:48:36,565 --> 00:48:38,863 This is Megadeth's first demo 988 00:48:39,335 --> 00:48:44,330 that Dave recorded, uh, after getting the original Megadeth together. 989 00:48:44,673 --> 00:48:47,301 He sent them out in maybe a half dozen fans and people. 990 00:48:47,409 --> 00:48:49,207 He handwrote the track listing on it. 991 00:48:49,345 --> 00:48:54,215 Dave had this friend Brian Lew who offered to run our fan club, 992 00:48:54,350 --> 00:48:56,819 which was basically consisted of a post office box. 993 00:48:56,919 --> 00:48:59,854 One day this letter shows up that says, 994 00:48:59,955 --> 00:49:02,822 "Hey, Dave, I hope your new shit's faster than Metallica." 995 00:49:03,225 --> 00:49:05,319 And that night, I kid you not, 996 00:49:05,427 --> 00:49:07,919 we went to rehearsal and sped every song up 997 00:49:08,063 --> 00:49:09,656 by 10 to 20 beats per minute. 998 00:49:09,765 --> 00:49:10,926 I mean, every song. 999 00:49:11,066 --> 00:49:12,431 So things like "Skull Beneath the Skin," which were like... 1000 00:49:16,205 --> 00:49:17,570 Kind of this Sabbath groove... 1001 00:49:29,918 --> 00:49:31,010 We'd been to the Bay Area enough times. 1002 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,951 I couldn't tell you how many, 1003 00:49:32,087 --> 00:49:35,387 but we'd been there enough to where me showing up in Megadeth 1004 00:49:35,491 --> 00:49:37,186 is going to make people think oi Slayer, too. 1005 00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:39,617 I saw Mustaine playing Metallica. 1006 00:49:39,895 --> 00:49:42,262 Me and Jeff would both sit in the crowd and go, 1007 00:49:42,464 --> 00:49:43,590 "How's he do that? 1008 00:49:43,732 --> 00:49:46,326 How's he playing that fucking shit and not looking at his fingers." 1009 00:49:46,435 --> 00:49:48,529 You know, we would just be amazed that he's just up there ripping, 1010 00:49:48,637 --> 00:49:49,502 looking over there. 1011 00:49:49,638 --> 00:49:51,834 So I was flattered when Mustaine came calling. 1012 00:49:52,007 --> 00:49:54,874 There's a lot of crazy folklore 1013 00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:59,607 about those first couple of days, weeks, and months after I left New York. 1014 00:50:00,015 --> 00:50:03,815 When I got on the bus, I rode all the way to California. 1015 00:50:03,952 --> 00:50:05,249 Did a lot of soul-searching. 1016 00:50:05,821 --> 00:50:08,347 I had already started writing lyrics. 1017 00:50:08,490 --> 00:50:11,187 The first lyric I wrote was in the song "Set the World Afire," 1018 00:50:11,326 --> 00:50:12,452 which was called Megadeth. 1019 00:50:12,795 --> 00:50:15,594 And I saw a piece of paper on the floor of the bus 1020 00:50:15,698 --> 00:50:17,792 that was from Senator Alan Cranston. 1021 00:50:17,933 --> 00:50:19,731 And it was a handbill that he had put out that said, 1022 00:50:19,835 --> 00:50:23,863 "The arsenal of Megadeath can't be ready." He was talking about nuclear armament. 1023 00:50:24,373 --> 00:50:25,966 Arsenal of Megadeath, that's a great line, 1024 00:50:26,108 --> 00:50:27,803 so I wrote it down and put it in the song. 1025 00:50:27,943 --> 00:50:30,708 Didn't think that, you know, that would one day end up being the title. 1026 00:50:30,813 --> 00:50:32,281 My first show was with Megadeth, 1027 00:50:32,381 --> 00:50:35,146 and I remember the first time watching Mustaine play. I just couldn't believe it. 1028 00:50:35,317 --> 00:50:39,515 As a band, that was the first place that we went up there was Ruthie's. 1029 00:50:39,655 --> 00:50:43,023 And that was interesting, because, uh, Ruthie's was so small, 1030 00:50:43,158 --> 00:50:45,786 we'd built this crazy stage over at Kerry's house. 1031 00:50:45,894 --> 00:50:47,658 You know, I'd ask Kerry if he would help us 1032 00:50:47,796 --> 00:50:49,662 until we'd find a permanent player, 1033 00:50:49,798 --> 00:50:53,098 and we built the stage 'cause I wanted this war scene kind of thing. 1034 00:50:53,469 --> 00:50:56,666 When we got up there, the roof was about this tall, 1035 00:50:56,805 --> 00:50:59,399 and we're trying to figure out how we're gonna gel all our stuff in there. 1036 00:50:59,508 --> 00:51:00,942 H's like-- Well, shit. 1037 00:51:01,076 --> 00:51:02,703 And borrowing every marshal in the community 1038 00:51:02,845 --> 00:51:04,677 and everything we could buy out of the recycler. 1039 00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:07,114 You know, you got to kind of keep your head down. 1040 00:51:07,216 --> 00:51:09,844 If you jump up in the air, you're going to stick your head in a light socket. 1041 00:51:10,018 --> 00:51:12,817 He's like, "I'm going to put together this super group 1042 00:51:13,255 --> 00:51:16,281 that is just going to take fucking no prisoners, man." 1043 00:51:31,907 --> 00:51:35,241 What I noticed around town is that there were a lot of people posing and primping, 1044 00:51:35,410 --> 00:51:38,744 and wearing their studded wristbands from the shops on Hollywood Boulevard. 1045 00:51:38,881 --> 00:51:41,145 And everybody looked like Vince Neil or David Lee Roth, 1046 00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:42,513 but Dave was the real deal. 1047 00:51:47,623 --> 00:51:50,388 Everybody was really surprised that Mustaine got booted out of the band, 1048 00:51:50,526 --> 00:51:52,392 'Cause, I mean, back then he was almost like the frontman. 1049 00:51:52,561 --> 00:51:54,757 He really had something to prove after he left Metallica. 1050 00:51:54,897 --> 00:51:56,695 Ii was incredible how quick he got it together. 1051 00:51:56,799 --> 00:52:00,565 Megadeth was a band that was conceptualized before it was ever a band. 1052 00:52:00,702 --> 00:52:04,639 It was an architectural blueprint of what the band was going to be, 1053 00:52:04,740 --> 00:52:09,439 and I think because that was drafted in Dave apartment's and my apartment, 1054 00:52:09,978 --> 00:52:12,777 we've had this vision of what we've been aiming for. 1055 00:52:20,789 --> 00:52:26,125 It's really creative. It's a great blend, and it's got that punk energy. 1056 00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,400 When we debuted the band in the Bay Area, in see that frenzy happening... 1057 00:52:35,671 --> 00:52:39,107 A kid reached up and actually grabs he string and breaks it off my bass, 1058 00:52:39,241 --> 00:52:40,436 fight in the middle of the song. 1059 00:52:41,243 --> 00:52:42,768 I'd never seen anything like this, 1060 00:52:42,911 --> 00:52:46,541 and people were literally, like, bleeding on the stage from headbanging 1061 00:52:46,648 --> 00:52:47,809 and thrashing down front. 1062 00:52:48,317 --> 00:52:53,312 You could feel almost a tension, you know? He's up there trying 10 prove himself. 1063 00:52:53,488 --> 00:52:56,150 Thank you very much! 1064 00:53:01,330 --> 00:53:05,289 They moved here maybe January '83. They were gone in April. 1065 00:53:05,434 --> 00:53:10,270 They came back for, I think, a month in June, after recording finished. 1066 00:53:10,372 --> 00:53:11,305 And then they were on tour. 1067 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,909 So, like, that first year that they quote-unquote moved to the Bay Area, 1068 00:53:14,009 --> 00:53:17,172 they were probably only here a couple months. 1069 00:53:17,512 --> 00:53:20,846 We really had just come from out of the underground. 1070 00:53:20,983 --> 00:53:22,348 We recorded Kill 'Em All. 1071 00:53:22,484 --> 00:53:27,581 We ran back to San Francisco to give it in all the people who were our core group. 1072 00:53:27,956 --> 00:53:33,053 It was our opportunity to put the scene on the fucking map. 1073 00:53:33,195 --> 00:53:36,130 Kill 'Em All came out in December of '83, you know? 1074 00:53:36,231 --> 00:53:40,532 And in our second issue I made the review. You know, we had record reviews. 1075 00:53:40,669 --> 00:53:43,639 You know, and I said Metallica-- they are gonna gel a whole page. 1076 00:53:43,739 --> 00:53:46,174 Nobody knew at the time how big they're going to get, 1077 00:53:46,308 --> 00:53:48,504 but I said this band is a killer. 1078 00:53:48,644 --> 00:53:50,908 So I made the headline, "Metal Album of the Year: 1079 00:53:51,013 --> 00:53:52,139 "Kill 'Em All." 1080 00:53:53,181 --> 00:53:56,276 Exodus recorded their definitive thrash metal masterpiece, 1081 00:53:56,385 --> 00:53:59,252 Bonded by Blood, in 1984. 1082 00:53:59,888 --> 00:54:03,153 Bonded by Blood? How do you not like Bonded by Blood? 1083 00:54:04,192 --> 00:54:06,991 I love Exodus, um, especially from that time. 1084 00:54:07,095 --> 00:54:08,620 That's my favorite Exodus record. 1085 00:54:08,897 --> 00:54:11,264 Bonded by Blood was kind of more anticipated than 1086 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,868 Kill 'Em All in a lot of ways, 1087 00:54:13,001 --> 00:54:17,837 just because, you know, we spent more time with Exodus than we did with Metallica. 1088 00:54:18,073 --> 00:54:20,565 Basically I ended up replacing Kink. 1089 00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:24,743 We were never in the studio before, so we're learning the process, you know, 1090 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,077 the whole mike thing and how to keep the guitars in tune, 1091 00:54:28,216 --> 00:54:29,911 like, because the mike hears everything-- 1092 00:54:30,052 --> 00:54:34,319 And just learning from the very ground up how to record an album. 1093 00:54:34,423 --> 00:54:37,791 When we recorded Bonded by Blood at Prairie Sun studios, 1094 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,088 our friends would come up from the Bay Area, 1095 00:54:40,228 --> 00:54:41,696 and we'd party at night, you know. 1096 00:54:41,797 --> 00:54:45,461 And they'd get loo drunk, and there's fistfights and windows getting broken. 1097 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,261 The whole thing with Bonded by Blood was it's like, 1098 00:54:47,536 --> 00:54:51,200 it's a chemistry that five kids had. 1099 00:54:51,306 --> 00:54:53,104 Not knowing nothing about recording. 1100 00:54:53,375 --> 00:54:55,241 We got nine songs together, 1101 00:54:56,611 --> 00:54:59,876 and we just want to put our everything we have into these songs, man, 1102 00:54:59,982 --> 00:55:01,780 and-and just capture this vibe. 1103 00:55:02,484 --> 00:55:05,112 It's the craziest thing. The very first note, man, is just like 1104 00:55:19,134 --> 00:55:21,398 ♪ Bonded by blood ♪ 1105 00:55:22,304 --> 00:55:25,137 Bonded by Blood, it's an amazing album. 1106 00:55:25,273 --> 00:55:26,866 The riffs, the speed. 1107 00:55:27,009 --> 00:55:30,343 That's my Exodus record. Thar-That's the Exodus record. 1108 00:55:30,512 --> 00:55:35,006 It captured that kind of-- that youthful angst and anger. 1109 00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:36,311 That was thrash metal. 1110 00:55:36,451 --> 00:55:39,045 That was a Bay Area thrash metal record, you know? 1111 00:55:39,154 --> 00:55:41,282 So, you know, Kill 'Em All and Bonded by Blood 1112 00:55:41,423 --> 00:55:44,415 they're-they're kind of like-- they're twins, in a way. 1113 00:55:44,526 --> 00:55:48,019 To this day, people are just like-- Man, Bonded by Blood, forget about it. 1114 00:55:48,163 --> 00:55:49,927 There are quite a few covers from that period of time 1115 00:55:50,032 --> 00:55:52,160 where you kind of look at them and you're like-- Wow, really! 1116 00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:53,927 But none the less, 1117 00:55:54,036 --> 00:55:59,975 I mean, what was inside that sleeve was nothing but pure Bay Area thrash. 1118 00:56:00,108 --> 00:56:02,475 What do you guys do with posers? 1119 00:56:02,611 --> 00:56:04,136 - Poser. - What? 1120 00:56:04,279 --> 00:56:05,144 That guy's a poser. 1121 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,475 What do you teach them? 1122 00:56:06,615 --> 00:56:08,105 A lesson in violence! 1123 00:56:08,316 --> 00:56:09,579 Here's a poser right here. 1124 00:56:09,718 --> 00:56:12,085 Some places don't know that you kill posers. 1125 00:56:12,287 --> 00:56:13,812 Break a posers leg. It makes me smile. 1126 00:56:13,989 --> 00:56:15,320 Posers must die! 1127 00:56:15,457 --> 00:56:16,822 There's only one Paul, man. 1128 00:56:20,962 --> 00:56:23,329 He's the epitome of what a singer should be, 1129 00:56:23,465 --> 00:56:24,899 because if you weren't into it, 1130 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,970 he's all, "Pummel that poser." 1131 00:56:28,070 --> 00:56:30,937 He'd go on one of those rants about killing posers onstage, 1132 00:56:31,073 --> 00:56:33,405 and if there were posers in the crowd, they worried. 1133 00:56:33,542 --> 00:56:36,534 My grandmother makes more noise than that! 1134 00:56:37,712 --> 00:56:40,044 My grandmother can make more noise than that, and she's dead. 1135 00:56:40,215 --> 00:56:42,684 He would go to people's houses and completely trash their house. 1136 00:56:42,818 --> 00:56:46,345 The Exodus guys would be there, and Paul would kick people out. 1137 00:56:46,488 --> 00:56:48,422 One oi the prerequisites to getting into the party 1138 00:56:48,523 --> 00:56:50,651 was you had in bring a two-by-four so you could destroy the place. 1139 00:56:50,826 --> 00:56:52,089 I remember grabbing a beer bottle 1140 00:56:52,194 --> 00:56:53,958 and just firing it straight at the fireplace 1141 00:56:54,062 --> 00:56:57,032 right when we walked in, and we just- it just erupted. 1142 00:56:57,199 --> 00:56:58,496 He kind of got away with a bunch of stuff, 1143 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,534 stuff that was kind of messed up actually, to be honest. 1144 00:57:00,702 --> 00:57:02,898 He handcuffed someone to a tree like this. 1145 00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,303 He let a live sewer rat loose in my house one time. 1146 00:57:06,408 --> 00:57:07,603 We'd cut people's hair. 1147 00:57:07,776 --> 00:57:10,245 If you had a Ratt pin. 1148 00:57:10,412 --> 00:57:11,379 And a Bon Jovi shirt. 1149 00:57:11,513 --> 00:57:12,878 A Motley Crue shirt or something like that 1150 00:57:13,014 --> 00:57:14,778 He'd ship you right where you stood. 1151 00:57:14,883 --> 00:57:17,511 I'm gonna slice that shirt up. We'll slice you with it. 1152 00:57:17,619 --> 00:57:20,247 If that's all he did, they were lucky. 1153 00:57:20,422 --> 00:57:21,583 I remember his place. 1154 00:57:21,723 --> 00:57:24,920 He lived in just a-- like a-- He lived on a concrete slab. 1155 00:57:25,060 --> 00:57:26,357 His we“ “wed vim him, Enter. 1156 00:57:26,461 --> 00:57:28,657 Bidor and Paul were pretty much inseparable. 1157 00:57:28,797 --> 00:57:30,162 He had a house-wrecking party. 1158 00:57:30,298 --> 00:57:33,097 Some pretty crazy shit happened at these parties. 1159 00:57:33,235 --> 00:57:34,703 A lot of beer, a lot of liquor. 1160 00:57:34,803 --> 00:57:35,895 Pictures getting smashed. 1161 00:57:36,037 --> 00:57:37,698 Walls being kicked in with holes. 1162 00:57:37,806 --> 00:57:41,140 Just slamming our arms down the hallways, just punching in all the plaster. 1163 00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:48,606 Houses dismantled, you know, piece by piece. 1164 00:57:52,154 --> 00:57:55,818 Paul Baloff passed away following a stroke in 2002. 1165 00:57:56,291 --> 00:57:59,886 He's beloved by his friends and metal fans everywhere. 1166 00:58:02,631 --> 00:58:05,828 Paul, for what he lacked in pure musical talent, 1167 00:58:05,967 --> 00:58:08,834 he had all the drive and passion that you'd ever want, 1168 00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:11,462 could we have done more to keep him around? 1169 00:58:11,973 --> 00:58:14,908 Probably yeah, might've been a failure in attempting it. 1170 00:58:15,010 --> 00:58:16,842 I'm happy. I've got a million memories 1171 00:58:16,978 --> 00:58:22,576 and five billion photographs worth of fucking awesome times in look back on. 1172 00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:27,147 He's like the greatest thrash metal frontman of all time, 1173 00:58:27,289 --> 00:58:29,087 and he made one album, twice. 1174 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,264 We were all by his bedside in the hospital, 1175 00:58:41,369 --> 00:58:44,669 and Rick and I lowered him into the ground, you know. 1176 00:58:45,173 --> 00:58:46,504 Fuck, you know, I miss him. 1177 00:58:51,846 --> 00:58:52,972 The legend. 1178 00:58:53,114 --> 00:58:55,048 - I miss him every day. - See you, buddy. 1179 00:59:02,357 --> 00:59:04,951 In the mid 1980s, Lars and James lived 1180 00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:08,052 at the infamous Metallica mansion in El Cerrito. 1181 00:59:08,663 --> 00:59:10,427 Yes, the Metalla-mansion, 1182 00:59:10,532 --> 00:59:14,366 and that is certainly not one of our cars right there. 1183 00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:17,004 That Porsche was not parked there because of us. 1184 00:59:17,572 --> 00:59:19,267 You know, at least with the Metallica mansion, 1185 00:59:19,407 --> 00:59:22,570 it was literally almost a straight shot back from Ruthie's Inn. 1186 00:59:22,711 --> 00:59:24,679 So, like, if there was a show or whatever at Ruthie's Inn, 1187 00:59:25,213 --> 00:59:29,150 it was a straight shot almost down San Pablo Avenue back to their house. 1188 00:59:29,417 --> 00:59:31,010 Definitely a bachelor pad. 1189 00:59:31,419 --> 00:59:33,410 You don't dare go into the bedrooms at all. 1190 00:59:33,722 --> 00:59:36,350 The front room's covered with posters and beer bottles. 1191 00:59:36,658 --> 00:59:40,788 I remember pulling all the furniture out the front door right here 1192 00:59:40,895 --> 00:59:42,761 and hosting this party. 1193 00:59:42,897 --> 00:59:46,060 We left the turntable and maybe a couple chairs, maybe a couch, 1194 00:59:46,201 --> 00:59:49,398 and, uh, obviously the booze. 1195 00:59:49,537 --> 00:59:52,006 So music, booze, and we would just go insane. 1196 00:59:52,107 --> 00:59:55,099 Wrestling and have these crazy mosh pits in the house. 1197 00:59:55,277 --> 00:59:57,371 Usually we're out partying in the streets or whatnot, 1198 00:59:57,512 --> 01:00:00,777 so to actually have a place to go and hang out was pretty cool. 1199 01:00:06,521 --> 01:00:07,613 Even the Metallica house-- 1200 01:00:07,722 --> 01:00:09,554 I think Exodus were there more than Metallica, 1201 01:00:09,691 --> 01:00:12,626 you know, 'cause they were already on tour constantly. 1202 01:00:12,761 --> 01:00:16,220 While touring, lonely Metallica members wrote postcards 1203 01:00:16,364 --> 01:00:18,389 in keep in touch with the scene back home. 1204 01:00:18,533 --> 01:00:19,398 Aww. 1205 01:00:19,534 --> 01:00:20,831 Yeah, postcards, letters, 1206 01:00:20,935 --> 01:00:22,767 that was the only way you could keep in contact 1207 01:00:22,904 --> 01:00:24,372 We'd get in town and, you know, 1208 01:00:24,472 --> 01:00:27,407 write down what's happening and--and just send it off. 1209 01:00:27,542 --> 01:00:30,534 All those early Ruthie's Inn shows 1210 01:00:30,645 --> 01:00:33,945 that were kind of laying the inundation for the Bay Area scene were happening. 1211 01:00:34,082 --> 01:00:37,245 Hey, John, how you doing? We're- You know-- We're jamming and playing. 1212 01:00:37,385 --> 01:00:41,049 And... OK, we're going in go out and go party, go drinking. 1213 01:00:41,156 --> 01:00:42,351 And then you'd flip it over. 1214 01:00:42,824 --> 01:00:44,258 Hey, John, it's 2:00 a.m. 1215 01:00:44,759 --> 01:00:46,921 We're here. We're raging. We're getting drunk. 1216 01:00:47,062 --> 01:00:49,156 We're drinking beers and hanging out with Venom. 1217 01:00:49,497 --> 01:00:53,832 Metal up your ass, right-slack Marshall, Lars Ulrich, drummer in parentheses. 1218 01:00:53,968 --> 01:00:56,335 In hindsight, it was probably them dealing with all the shit 1219 01:00:56,471 --> 01:00:58,667 that was happening with them. You know, they were going to the next level, 1220 01:00:58,807 --> 01:01:00,468 thousand of miles away from home. 1221 01:01:00,608 --> 01:01:03,202 Being away from home, being away from your friends, 1222 01:01:03,311 --> 01:01:06,303 being a-away from your girlfriend. It was a big deal. 1223 01:01:06,448 --> 01:01:09,907 And they liked to write letters. You know, back then we all wrote letters. 1224 01:01:10,085 --> 01:01:13,350 Flying the flag for the Bay Area in San Francisco in the scene. 1225 01:01:13,455 --> 01:01:17,221 So it was important [or us in, uh, stay in touch with everybody 1226 01:01:17,325 --> 01:01:19,191 that was back at home, holding the fort. 1227 01:01:19,327 --> 01:01:20,453 See if you know this one. 1228 01:01:20,595 --> 01:01:22,529 I want you all in scream it back at me! 1229 01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:23,597 This is tilled, 1230 01:01:23,865 --> 01:01:27,995 "Seek and Destroy!" 1231 01:01:28,837 --> 01:01:32,034 [Playing "Seek and destroy 1232 01:01:41,616 --> 01:01:45,780 Cliff would write me really long letters from Copenhagen 1233 01:01:47,188 --> 01:01:49,555 in his horrible writing 1234 01:01:49,691 --> 01:01:53,025 and just talk about how good things were going. 1235 01:01:53,294 --> 01:01:54,659 This tour is great. 1236 01:01:55,830 --> 01:01:57,628 First Aardschok festival I called Lars. 1237 01:01:57,732 --> 01:02:02,067 If he wanted to open up for my festival because I thought it was a great band. 1238 01:02:02,203 --> 01:02:05,195 You know, I'd send them money for plane tickets and stuff. 1239 01:02:05,340 --> 01:02:06,830 Ii definitely made a big impression. 1240 01:02:06,975 --> 01:02:10,809 You could already tell that these guys were going to go somewhere. 1241 01:02:10,912 --> 01:02:13,438 Everybody knew. I mean, we all knew. 1242 01:02:13,581 --> 01:02:16,380 Some old black and white pictures of Metallica at that show. 1243 01:02:16,518 --> 01:02:19,647 They were so nervous there around that time to do the show. 1244 01:02:19,988 --> 01:02:23,424 Even though, you know, they were away, they were still part of the scene. 1245 01:02:23,525 --> 01:02:25,857 You heard that the band was blowing people away, 1246 01:02:25,994 --> 01:02:27,587 just like they did when they started here. 1247 01:02:27,695 --> 01:02:30,858 ♪ Our brains are on fire With the feeling to kill I 1248 01:02:30,999 --> 01:02:34,162 ♪ And it won't go away Until our dreams are fulfilled ♪ 1249 01:02:34,269 --> 01:02:36,966 ♪ There is only one thing on our minds ♪ 1250 01:02:37,105 --> 01:02:40,370 ♪ Don'! Try running away 'Cause you're the one we will find ♪ 1251 01:02:40,508 --> 01:02:41,942 ♪ Running On our way ♪ 1252 01:02:42,043 --> 01:02:43,511 ♪ Hiding You will pay I 1253 01:02:43,611 --> 01:02:45,602 ♪ Dying One thousand deaths I 1254 01:02:47,081 --> 01:02:48,879 Lars said no. We didn't have the cover. 1255 01:02:49,017 --> 01:02:50,712 It was just Kirk on there. 1256 01:02:50,919 --> 01:02:52,751 Tapes were being copied the next day, 1257 01:02:52,887 --> 01:02:57,381 and they were sent to Germany, Belgium, France, all over the world. 1258 01:02:58,593 --> 01:03:00,186 ♪ Running On our way ♪ 1259 01:03:00,295 --> 01:03:01,660 ♪ Hiding You will pay I 1260 01:03:01,796 --> 01:03:02,957 ♪ Dying ♪ 1261 01:03:05,567 --> 01:03:08,332 It wasn't really until James started getting 1262 01:03:08,436 --> 01:03:12,270 some European shows under his belt in the spring of 1984, 1263 01:03:12,574 --> 01:03:16,738 where he started being able to sort of command the big, European crowds. 1264 01:03:17,045 --> 01:03:19,571 That's when he became James Hetfield, the frontman. 1265 01:03:19,714 --> 01:03:22,547 Are we fucking nuts tonight! 1266 01:03:24,552 --> 01:03:25,713 This was certainly not 1267 01:03:25,820 --> 01:03:28,187 the shy kid that was in high school, hating life. 1268 01:03:28,556 --> 01:03:32,356 This was the kid that finally found his voice 1269 01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:36,260 and got to be in a band that was able to help express it [or him. 1270 01:03:39,968 --> 01:03:41,265 We were very aware 1271 01:03:41,402 --> 01:03:43,029 there was something brewing in San Francisco 1272 01:03:43,137 --> 01:03:44,969 that was a little heavier, a little angrier. 1273 01:03:45,106 --> 01:03:48,076 Uh, Exodus, you know, were definitely part of that. 1274 01:03:48,176 --> 01:03:50,508 Blown away by what he saw in the Bay Area, 1275 01:03:50,645 --> 01:03:53,342 Andre Verhuysen booked Exodus into the Dynamo Club. 1276 01:03:53,915 --> 01:03:57,442 The show has passed into legend spread by numerous bootlegs. 1277 01:03:57,585 --> 01:04:00,020 I want to dedicate this one to Andre over here. 1278 01:04:00,188 --> 01:04:02,282 Who's here because of Andre? 1279 01:04:02,423 --> 01:04:05,256 That was Exodus's first tour of Europe. 1280 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,988 The only club show they did was at the Dynamo, 1281 01:04:08,129 --> 01:04:11,155 and they did 300 or 350 people by themselves. 1282 01:04:11,332 --> 01:04:14,962 More people in there than I think officially were allowed, 1283 01:04:15,103 --> 01:04:16,730 maybe three times as much, 1284 01:04:16,838 --> 01:04:18,636 because everybody wanted to see those bands, 1285 01:04:18,773 --> 01:04:21,401 and Dynamo Club was the only place you could see them. 1286 01:04:42,163 --> 01:04:42,473 From my pen pals, Brian Lew and Andy Airborne Anderson, 1287 01:04:42,497 --> 01:04:45,865 From my pen pals, Brian Lew and Andy Airborne Anderson, 1288 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,095 who was very close with Exodus, I got some live tapes, you know. 1289 01:04:49,203 --> 01:04:52,696 And we were fascinated. They were even faster than Metallica. 1290 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,138 They were even a little bit more intense. 1291 01:04:55,243 --> 01:04:59,612 Word got out, and word by mouth is the strongest promotion that you can get. 1292 01:04:59,814 --> 01:05:01,782 While Metallica were away touring, 1293 01:05:01,883 --> 01:05:04,147 Pam and Connie were house-sitting the mansion. 1294 01:05:04,252 --> 01:05:07,017 We had son of screwed up their finances along the way. 1295 01:05:07,155 --> 01:05:09,021 We weren't very good at balancing checkbooks. 1296 01:05:09,157 --> 01:05:10,591 Mark had just left the checkbook and, uh... 1297 01:05:10,692 --> 01:05:13,320 He left a checkbook that was signed with checks, 1298 01:05:13,428 --> 01:05:17,387 and we were just supposed to deposit money and then give them the checks. 1299 01:05:17,565 --> 01:05:20,694 I had to go in my very conservative, Republican mom and dad 1300 01:05:20,835 --> 01:05:23,202 and ask for them to bail out Metallica. 1301 01:05:23,338 --> 01:05:26,638 So I like to say that my mom, Mike and Carole Bryant 1302 01:05:26,741 --> 01:05:28,368 sort of saved the Metallica band. 1303 01:05:28,509 --> 01:05:30,500 - Sorry, guys. - So there you go. 1304 01:05:30,612 --> 01:05:33,047 - It all worked out. - It all worked out, yeah. 1305 01:05:35,116 --> 01:05:37,642 New bands were rising everywhere in the Bay Area, 1306 01:05:37,785 --> 01:05:39,753 inspired by the scene they were living in. 1307 01:05:40,121 --> 01:05:44,285 Bands like Testament, Death Angel, Vio-lence, Forbidden, 1308 01:05:44,425 --> 01:05:47,053 and Possessed all made their mark on the metal scene. 1309 01:05:47,195 --> 01:05:50,722 Each year there'd be a band that would kind of step up 1310 01:05:50,865 --> 01:05:54,631 into the role of being able to headline a show at, say, Ruthie's or the Stone. 1311 01:05:54,969 --> 01:05:56,733 Metallica came out with Kill 'Em All, 1312 01:05:56,871 --> 01:05:58,737 and they were doing the Kill 'Em All For One tour. 1313 01:05:58,906 --> 01:06:00,340 We stood right on the edge of the pit, 1314 01:06:00,441 --> 01:06:05,709 and we head-banged for the entire fucking show when it was Cliff Burton, 1315 01:06:05,813 --> 01:06:07,838 and he's doing "Anesthesia Pulling Teeth.' 1316 01:06:07,982 --> 01:06:09,916 We're like-- These guys are fucking amazing. 1317 01:06:10,418 --> 01:06:12,716 And the whole way home it was like, 1318 01:06:13,154 --> 01:06:15,816 we're going to start a band, we're going to start playing shows, 1319 01:06:15,957 --> 01:06:16,924 and we're going in play thrash. 1320 01:06:17,659 --> 01:06:19,787 All those people would be going to the shows at Ruthie's 1321 01:06:19,927 --> 01:06:21,417 in the Bay Area clubs and stuff, 1322 01:06:21,796 --> 01:06:25,232 and, uh, basically they kind of looked up on siege and said- I can do that. 1323 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,597 You always hear the old cats talk about the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, 1324 01:06:29,103 --> 01:06:31,299 and, you know, how they picked up a guitar after they saw that. 1325 01:06:31,439 --> 01:06:34,636 That was my Beatles/Ed Sullivan moment, 1326 01:06:34,809 --> 01:06:38,109 but if we wanted to be something, if we wanted to matter, 1327 01:06:38,246 --> 01:06:40,374 we had to get into Ruthie's. 1328 01:06:40,481 --> 01:06:43,849 And if we could survive Ruthie's, and not get killed, 1329 01:06:44,118 --> 01:06:45,984 and not get booed off the stage, 1330 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,986 and not get the mike ripped down in front of it 1331 01:06:48,122 --> 01:06:51,285 like people were prone to do, and survive the Slay Team, 1332 01:06:51,859 --> 01:06:53,725 then that would be the ultimate. 1333 01:06:56,431 --> 01:07:00,595 You can't tell the story of the San Francisco metal scene 1334 01:07:00,702 --> 01:07:03,399 without talking about Debbie Abono. 1335 01:07:03,538 --> 01:07:08,806 She managed one of the most hardcore bands to come out of the Bay Area, 1336 01:07:08,943 --> 01:07:12,641 which was Possessed, you know, super Satanic speed metal. 1337 01:07:12,847 --> 01:07:14,281 This is metal mom right here. 1338 01:07:14,482 --> 01:07:17,679 I know there's a few metal moms across the globe, 1339 01:07:18,019 --> 01:07:19,350 but this was ours. 1340 01:07:19,854 --> 01:07:21,982 I broke my leg at a DRI show. 1341 01:07:22,123 --> 01:07:24,285 She basically nursed me back to health at her house. 1342 01:07:24,459 --> 01:07:28,418 She was the mom of the scene, you know! Every show she'd be there for every band. 1343 01:07:29,163 --> 01:07:33,157 She lived at a house in Penal, and after parties we'd be at her house. 1344 01:07:33,334 --> 01:07:36,531 She really saw everybody in that scene as human, 1345 01:07:36,671 --> 01:07:39,436 whereas there was a lot of demonization. 1346 01:07:40,675 --> 01:07:43,645 Of the-- you know, the youth. 1347 01:07:43,745 --> 01:07:46,908 She knew that we needed a safe place, 1348 01:07:47,181 --> 01:07:49,616 and Debbie Abono's house was always a safe place. 1349 01:07:49,817 --> 01:07:50,807 You know, a party would-- 1350 01:07:50,918 --> 01:07:53,080 - Last a couple of days. - Last a couple days. 1351 01:07:53,221 --> 01:07:55,349 I know sometimes I'd be going in school the next day, 1352 01:07:55,490 --> 01:08:00,291 walking through the people who were still hanging out at my house. 1353 01:08:00,428 --> 01:08:02,419 They all knew that Debbie would take care of them 1354 01:08:02,563 --> 01:08:04,156 - if they didn't have anywhere to go. - Mm-hmm. 1355 01:08:04,265 --> 01:08:06,063 The word-of-mouth kind of got-- 'Cause you go-- 1356 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,328 Hey, I need this or I need that for my band. 1357 01:08:08,436 --> 01:08:10,200 And my mom would go out and gel it for you. 1358 01:08:10,371 --> 01:08:12,237 For me personally, she helped me a ton. 1359 01:08:13,007 --> 01:08:16,136 I started taking guitar lessons from Joe Satriani. I couldn't afford it. 1360 01:08:16,244 --> 01:08:18,906 She paid for it, and, you know, I couldn't thank her enough. 1361 01:08:19,046 --> 01:08:21,208 There's no way I'd be anywhere I was right now without Debbie, 1362 01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:24,842 so, you know, I'm eternally grateful for everything she did. 1363 01:08:25,019 --> 01:08:29,047 For young, 16-year-old Larry Lalonde, he's in tenth grade in high school, 1364 01:08:29,791 --> 01:08:30,815 and they have a record out. 1365 01:08:30,958 --> 01:08:35,259 You know, imagine being a tenth-grader, and you have an actual album. 1366 01:08:35,396 --> 01:08:37,888 And you're playing in clubs. 1367 01:08:38,032 --> 01:08:39,557 I remember kind of showing up at high school and going like-- 1368 01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:41,668 "Hey, I've got a record," and them being like-- "Yeah, big deal." 1369 01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:44,238 Like, people kind of being like-- What, you think you're hot shit now? 1370 01:08:44,372 --> 01:08:47,398 Then-then she'd get tapes constantly in the mail. 1371 01:08:47,542 --> 01:08:50,136 She'd gel hundreds of them from other bands, 1372 01:08:50,244 --> 01:08:51,871 wanting her to manage them. 1373 01:08:51,979 --> 01:08:54,004 Really looked out for everybody, you know? 1374 01:08:54,215 --> 01:08:57,480 And when she managed Forbidden, she-she would go on tour. 1375 01:08:57,585 --> 01:09:01,215 I think she was 57 years old when she was doing this. 1376 01:09:01,322 --> 01:09:04,952 I mean, just going out on tour in a van for two months across America 1377 01:09:05,092 --> 01:09:07,288 at 57 years old. 1378 01:09:07,428 --> 01:09:09,396 You know, like, that's fucking crazy. 1379 01:09:09,931 --> 01:09:14,232 And it's everything that-- the honors probably that you've heard of. 1380 01:09:14,468 --> 01:09:16,835 She put up with a lot of shenanigans from us, you know? 1381 01:09:16,971 --> 01:09:19,838 Uh, one time I guess they had, like, a porno magazine in the back of the- 1382 01:09:19,974 --> 01:09:20,907 in the back of the van, 1383 01:09:21,008 --> 01:09:25,002 and they, uh, taped a bunch of pictures to the inside windows of the van. 1384 01:09:25,146 --> 01:09:27,274 And we come pulling into a gas station, 1385 01:09:27,415 --> 01:09:30,578 and here's this grandma, you know, this-this older lady, pulling in. 1386 01:09:30,685 --> 01:09:33,279 And then here's the most obscene pictures on the windows. 1387 01:09:33,421 --> 01:09:34,889 And she couldn't believe we'd do that stuff. 1388 01:09:51,339 --> 01:09:53,603 I always considered us the third wave of thrash. 1389 01:09:53,708 --> 01:09:57,042 So it's like Metallica, Slayer, and Exodus was the first wave. 1390 01:09:57,178 --> 01:10:00,842 And then Testament, Death Angel, and Vio-lence, Forbidden. 1391 01:10:00,982 --> 01:10:05,180 I started auditioning and just went from band to band to band, you know? 1392 01:10:05,353 --> 01:10:07,185 And finally it clicked with Forbidden Evil. 1393 01:10:07,622 --> 01:10:10,057 A band that young could get a show at Ruthie's Inn, 1394 01:10:10,157 --> 01:10:12,091 and no one would bat an eye. 1395 01:10:12,193 --> 01:10:14,059 We're hanging out at, like, Ruthie's Inn and the Stone. 1396 01:10:14,195 --> 01:10:16,562 We're not supposed to be there, because we're 14. 1397 01:10:16,731 --> 01:10:21,032 My first show ever was November 24, 1984, Megadeth and Death Angel. 1398 01:10:21,202 --> 01:10:23,671 When they were loading in, you know, we were making fun of them. 1399 01:10:23,804 --> 01:10:25,829 Like, you know, your mom's driving you in the show. 1400 01:10:26,007 --> 01:10:27,372 Then we'd get all pissed off. 1401 01:10:27,508 --> 01:10:29,442 Why do they always refer to us as just so young and stuff 1402 01:10:29,543 --> 01:10:31,136 and just focusing on the fad that we're young? 1403 01:10:31,245 --> 01:10:34,442 It was hard to put a band together, especially if you're 15. 1404 01:10:34,849 --> 01:10:38,285 I also knew that if I could just gel through one show, 1405 01:10:38,386 --> 01:10:40,855 it'll be a positive experience. I need to do this. 1406 01:10:41,022 --> 01:10:42,512 Alex history-- I'm sure he told you. 1407 01:10:42,657 --> 01:10:45,092 You know, he's 15 and didn't have teenage years. 1408 01:10:45,192 --> 01:10:49,129 He toured the whole time, you know, from the first record in the fifth record. 1409 01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:51,824 We did a record every year and toured ever year: 1410 01:10:51,933 --> 01:10:52,957 five records, five years. 1411 01:10:53,434 --> 01:10:56,768 Possessed is credited with starting the death metal genre. 1412 01:10:56,904 --> 01:10:59,168 You know, the whole Satanic theme was kind of funny. 1413 01:10:59,273 --> 01:11:00,934 I don't think anyone was actually into Satan. 1414 01:11:01,075 --> 01:11:03,874 It just freaked people out, so. 1415 01:11:13,354 --> 01:11:14,822 In August 1985, 1416 01:11:14,922 --> 01:11:18,722 Metallica played Bill Graham's legendary Day on the Green festival. 1417 01:11:18,859 --> 01:11:22,489 On a bill that featured Scorpions and Yngwie Malmsteen, 1418 01:11:22,596 --> 01:11:24,530 Metallica stole the show. 1419 01:11:24,966 --> 01:11:27,060 I was there. It was insane. 1420 01:11:27,702 --> 01:11:31,036 Did we all come here in kick some fucking ass or what? 1421 01:11:31,138 --> 01:11:35,302 The fact that Metallica got a chance to play at Donington 1422 01:11:35,443 --> 01:11:37,571 and then two weeks later at Day on the Green 1423 01:11:37,712 --> 01:11:39,976 was just a total mind fuck. 1424 01:11:40,114 --> 01:11:43,140 Me, what I remember is going in there kind of cold, 1425 01:11:43,284 --> 01:11:44,911 not really knowing what's going on 1426 01:11:45,052 --> 01:11:50,684 but blown away at the consumer satisfaction. 1427 01:11:50,825 --> 01:11:56,764 The audience had so fervently embraced this from the minute that band set stage 1428 01:11:57,098 --> 01:12:00,625 that it wasn't even a matter of whether I understood it or not. 1429 01:12:00,768 --> 01:12:03,465 I could tell that these people understood it, 1430 01:12:03,604 --> 01:12:06,403 and I witnessed the extraordinary fervor and enthusiasm. 1431 01:12:06,507 --> 01:12:08,373 It was hard not to be swept up in it. 1432 01:12:08,642 --> 01:12:11,942 With most other bands, bass is sort of a background role, 1433 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,442 but with that version of Metallica, 1434 01:12:15,816 --> 01:12:17,306 it was featured. 1435 01:12:20,521 --> 01:12:23,456 Cliff had a very serious attack to his strings. 1436 01:12:23,591 --> 01:12:26,959 His technique was very abrasive, and there was a lot of power in it. 1437 01:12:27,094 --> 01:12:30,291 It was almost like this punk attitude coming out of his fingertips, 1438 01:12:30,431 --> 01:12:34,868 and yet he was very graceful with his connection to classical music. 1439 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,548 It can't be overstated what a huge moment that was 1440 01:12:50,684 --> 01:12:54,279 for not just Metallica but for the whole Bay Area scene. 1441 01:12:54,488 --> 01:12:56,422 The fact that Metallica were playing at Day on the Green, 1442 01:12:56,624 --> 01:12:58,558 it was like all of us were playing Day on the Green. 1443 01:12:58,959 --> 01:13:01,621 Day on the Green has been around since the '70s. 1444 01:13:01,896 --> 01:13:05,594 For us to be asked to be part of it. Didn't care where we were on the bill. 1445 01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:11,432 Rat! Was placed above Metallica, which was sacrilegious, to say the least. 1446 01:13:11,639 --> 01:13:15,576 So I painted this banner with, you know, Metallica logo 1447 01:13:15,676 --> 01:13:19,271 crushing down on this rat that was flipped upside down 1448 01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:21,144 with a little spiked wristband, 1449 01:13:21,248 --> 01:13:23,512 and it was sitting next to a thing that said rat poison. 1450 01:13:24,251 --> 01:13:29,417 And I got berated by a couple overweight ladies in spandex. 1451 01:13:29,824 --> 01:13:32,759 You know, fucking Metallica came out, and they just took over. 1452 01:13:34,829 --> 01:13:38,788 As soon as they got on stage, it was the stone in the pond. 1453 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:43,628 Concentric circles of violence spread throughout. 1454 01:13:44,071 --> 01:13:47,837 I remember standing there stage left and going there's Metallica, 1455 01:13:47,942 --> 01:13:49,467 and there's 60,000 people. 1456 01:13:49,610 --> 01:13:52,477 H's 1985. It's like, yeah, this is really cool. 1457 01:13:52,613 --> 01:13:56,106 ♪ Make his fight on the hill In the early day ♪ 1458 01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:58,412 ♪ Constant chill deep inside ♪ 1459 01:14:00,921 --> 01:14:03,083 I don't think anyone had seen a mosh pit, 1460 01:14:03,390 --> 01:14:06,485 and it didn't occur to me to go, "And there's going to be a mosh pit" 1461 01:14:09,263 --> 01:14:11,732 ♪ For whom the bell tolls ♪ 1462 01:14:11,866 --> 01:14:16,201 So for the both of us, in be there onstage on Day on the Green, 1463 01:14:16,303 --> 01:14:18,431 it was a huge accomplishment. 1464 01:14:21,909 --> 01:14:25,573 The whole metal community was excited and supporting us, 1465 01:14:25,713 --> 01:14:29,411 especially for Cliff, being from the Bay Area, 1466 01:14:29,717 --> 01:14:30,912 it was like heaven for him. 1467 01:14:31,051 --> 01:14:34,749 Everyone knows about that worldwide, so, he was excited. 1468 01:14:41,061 --> 01:14:44,361 After the Day on the Green show, we did our normal stuff, you know? 1469 01:14:44,498 --> 01:14:47,126 James and I went out in the crowd in throw fruit. 1470 01:14:47,268 --> 01:14:49,362 Fred Rotten Cotton and a few of the others, 1471 01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:52,598 you know, had some beverages and just went crazy. 1472 01:14:52,773 --> 01:14:56,710 Took avocados and crammed through, uh, vents. Air-conditioning vents. 1473 01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:58,335 Just wrecked the backstage dressing room. 1474 01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,675 You know, you're supposed in trash shit, you know. 1475 01:15:01,081 --> 01:15:02,173 So we did. We destroyed it. 1476 01:15:07,454 --> 01:15:10,617 I called the Metallica house, and James answered the phone. 1477 01:15:11,025 --> 01:15:13,892 I was like, "We-- We're in trouble." 1478 01:15:14,028 --> 01:15:18,966 Had no clue that, you know, there's a- there's another day after ours. 1479 01:15:19,099 --> 01:15:21,033 You know, another band has to use your trailer. 1480 01:15:21,635 --> 01:15:24,104 You're going to have in go over there and talk to Bill. 1481 01:15:24,271 --> 01:15:26,569 I was like-- Oh, shit. Like I'm being called in. 1482 01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,618 He sat me down and said, "Hey, I know you're a rock and roll band at head, 1483 01:15:29,643 --> 01:15:30,701 He sat me down and said, "Hey, I know you're a rock and roll band at head, 1484 01:15:30,811 --> 01:15:33,075 and, you know, breaking shit and destroying things, you know, 1485 01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:34,375 it might be fun for a little bit 1486 01:15:34,515 --> 01:15:36,643 What would you do if.. 1487 01:15:36,784 --> 01:15:39,219 People came in your home and behaved this way? 1488 01:15:39,353 --> 01:15:42,789 And James goes, "Well, pretty much they do every weekend" 1489 01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:44,483 I didn't quite get what he was trying to say. 1490 01:15:44,858 --> 01:15:48,488 And he said, "You guys are talented, and you're on a path to destruction" 1491 01:15:48,696 --> 01:15:49,822 He knew. 1492 01:15:50,064 --> 01:15:54,729 He said, "I've had this same talk with Sid Vicious and with Keith Moon, 1493 01:15:55,236 --> 01:15:57,102 and they didn't listen. 1494 01:15:59,506 --> 01:16:01,201 Maybe you'll listen, maybe not." 1495 01:16:01,575 --> 01:16:05,011 What really happened was James totally manned up, 1496 01:16:05,713 --> 01:16:07,657 and Bill completely respected it. 1497 01:16:07,681 --> 01:16:08,113 And Bill completely respected it. 1498 01:16:08,515 --> 01:16:11,177 So I said, "You know, I'm young. I'm stupid. 1499 01:16:11,318 --> 01:16:13,980 And thanks [or that. 1500 01:16:14,521 --> 01:16:16,785 I appreciate the talk, and I'll do my best." 1501 01:16:16,924 --> 01:16:19,894 Years later he would go in me, "How's James?" 1502 01:16:20,027 --> 01:16:22,826 I'm like- Well, I haven't really talked to him lately, 1503 01:16:22,930 --> 01:16:23,897 but I'm sure he's fine. 1504 01:16:24,598 --> 01:16:26,676 To this day I still never said thank you to him, 1505 01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:28,065 To this day I still never said thank you to him, 1506 01:16:28,369 --> 01:16:30,804 because it did enlighten me a little bit. 1507 01:16:30,938 --> 01:16:33,566 He made it right in the best of his ability. 1508 01:16:34,008 --> 01:16:36,978 The next time we came to play in the backstage area, 1509 01:16:37,077 --> 01:16:41,173 he put Visqueen, Clear plastic, over everything. 1510 01:16:41,615 --> 01:16:45,195 The ceiling, the walls, the floor, the table. 1511 01:16:45,219 --> 01:16:45,708 The ceiling, the walls, the floor, the table. 1512 01:16:45,853 --> 01:16:48,788 He even wrapped bottles of beer in it, so... 1513 01:16:48,889 --> 01:16:51,415 it would be protected. 1514 01:16:51,558 --> 01:16:55,426 1986 was an ear-shattering year for thrash metal. 1515 01:16:55,562 --> 01:16:57,826 Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer, 1516 01:16:57,931 --> 01:17:01,390 followed by Anthrax, all released landmark albums. 1517 01:17:01,869 --> 01:17:04,065 I was asking Lars where this was taken, 1518 01:17:04,938 --> 01:17:07,532 and he says, "I'm pretty sure it was in Copenhagen." 1519 01:17:15,883 --> 01:17:21,151 He would wake up and put on his little boxer shorts. 1520 01:17:21,255 --> 01:17:23,233 And he had a little amp and his white guitar. 1521 01:17:23,257 --> 01:17:24,349 And he had a little amp and his white guitar. 1522 01:17:24,458 --> 01:17:26,153 And it looked like a Gibson, but it wasn't. 1523 01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:27,283 And he would play. 1524 01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:31,228 He could not wait to get on the road. 1525 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,469 And Cliff was excited. As much as he didn't want to go to Europe, 1526 01:17:35,602 --> 01:17:36,569 It was a short tour. 1527 01:17:36,670 --> 01:17:38,764 He wanted me to look at houses. 1528 01:17:38,906 --> 01:17:42,171 At this point we had really developed and we were going to live together. 1529 01:17:42,776 --> 01:17:46,440 So he wanted me to look at houses just around, in the East Bay. 1530 01:17:46,980 --> 01:17:49,449 On September 26th, 1986, 1531 01:17:49,583 --> 01:17:52,211 Metallica played a show in Stockholm, Sweden 1532 01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:54,344 supported by their friends, Anthrax. 1533 01:17:54,788 --> 01:17:56,984 Anthrax went on ahead to the next show. 1534 01:17:57,658 --> 01:17:59,023 Metallica never made it. 1535 01:17:59,660 --> 01:18:00,771 In the early hours of September 27th, 1536 01:18:00,794 --> 01:18:02,125 In the early hours of September 27th, 1537 01:18:02,262 --> 01:18:05,357 their tour bus crashed, and Cliff Burton was killed. 1538 01:18:06,166 --> 01:18:07,930 He was 24 years old. 1539 01:18:09,203 --> 01:18:13,401 I went home and started calling Cliff in Sweden at the hotel. 1540 01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:14,803 I had the itinerary. 1541 01:18:15,976 --> 01:18:17,603 Oh, no, they haven't checked in yet. 1542 01:18:17,711 --> 01:18:19,543 OK, that's weird. 1543 01:18:22,616 --> 01:18:24,209 Try again an hour later. 1544 01:18:26,653 --> 01:18:28,018 That's when she told me. 1545 01:18:28,188 --> 01:18:29,519 And I-- 1546 01:18:30,057 --> 01:18:33,755 It just» It was" It wasn't even real. It wasn't possible. 1547 01:18:33,894 --> 01:18:35,885 So I immediately called Cliff's parents. 1548 01:18:38,632 --> 01:18:38,808 I didn't want to be with anyone else, you know, 1549 01:18:38,832 --> 01:18:40,732 I didn't want to be with anyone else, you know, 1550 01:18:40,834 --> 01:18:44,998 wanted to be with his parents and smell his things. 1551 01:18:46,907 --> 01:18:49,001 We don't sit back and--and say, 1552 01:18:49,143 --> 01:18:52,977 Oh, I hope we're big next year or I hope this or hope that. 1553 01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,414 We just go and do it and don't put a lot of thought into... 1554 01:18:57,217 --> 01:18:57,327 what might happen or what could happen. 1555 01:18:57,351 --> 01:18:59,342 What might happen or what could happen. 1556 01:18:59,753 --> 01:19:01,915 We try not to think too much about the future. 1557 01:19:05,426 --> 01:19:08,123 Cliff was such a character, 1558 01:19:08,262 --> 01:19:11,061 and he was with us for that short amount of time. 1559 01:19:12,332 --> 01:19:14,164 Thank God there were some people filming 1560 01:19:14,268 --> 01:19:16,346 and there were friends around that had cameras. 1561 01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:16,461 And there were friends around that had cameras. 1562 01:19:18,005 --> 01:19:20,133 To respect that time greatly. 1563 01:19:21,442 --> 01:19:24,309 I am so glad that he was in my life 1564 01:19:24,445 --> 01:19:26,971 and I got in share-- share sometimes with him. 1565 01:19:27,548 --> 01:19:30,176 Someone so close and someone who... 1566 01:19:31,418 --> 01:19:33,386 I saw my future with. 1567 01:19:34,087 --> 01:19:35,364 And it was-- it was awful. 1568 01:19:35,389 --> 01:19:36,356 And it was-- it was awful. 1569 01:19:36,457 --> 01:19:37,754 It was just awful. 1570 01:19:37,891 --> 01:19:40,519 Most of us were so young b-back then that we, uh... 1571 01:19:40,627 --> 01:19:42,425 we really hadn't dealt with death before. 1572 01:19:43,630 --> 01:19:46,827 The first thing I did, I got up, and I headed out In the Vault, 1573 01:19:46,967 --> 01:19:48,958 because I was working the next day at the store. 1574 01:19:49,136 --> 01:19:51,571 From the minute that we opened the door, 1575 01:19:51,705 --> 01:19:54,140 it was a constant flood of people coming in. 1576 01:19:54,641 --> 01:19:57,235 It was the place where people came in grieve. 1577 01:19:57,377 --> 01:20:01,211 It was the place where people came to reflect and tell stories. 1578 01:20:01,615 --> 01:20:05,210 And it was almost the perfect place to find out, 1579 01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:08,983 because it was home for all of the scene, 1580 01:20:09,122 --> 01:20:11,454 also [or him and those guys. 1581 01:20:12,759 --> 01:20:12,901 What made us survive it was that community of those--those thrashers. 1582 01:20:12,926 --> 01:20:18,524 What made us survive it was that community of those--those thrashers. 1583 01:20:19,333 --> 01:20:23,827 No one ever thought about the perils of rock and roll 1584 01:20:23,971 --> 01:20:28,465 or the fact that tour buses crash and, you know, people die out there 1585 01:20:28,609 --> 01:20:31,922 doing what we were all aspired to do, and doing what he ultimately loved. 1586 01:20:31,945 --> 01:20:33,913 Doing what we were all aspired to do, and doing what he ultimately loved. 1587 01:20:35,015 --> 01:20:36,312 I know we felt bad, 1588 01:20:36,450 --> 01:20:39,750 but I could only imagine what each one of them personally felt. 1589 01:20:40,587 --> 01:20:43,249 Yeah, it was a terrible time. A terrible thing. 1590 01:20:45,192 --> 01:20:48,492 What I know about Cliff was that he was a very gentle soul, 1591 01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:50,941 and we laughed. 1592 01:20:50,964 --> 01:20:51,829 And we laughed. 1593 01:20:52,165 --> 01:20:53,428 Man, we would laugh. 1594 01:20:54,001 --> 01:20:56,493 You can't ask more from your kids, 1595 01:20:57,004 --> 01:21:02,272 particularly when you-- you don't have to say much to them. 1596 01:21:02,376 --> 01:21:05,710 They, uh-- Cliff would just decide-- 1597 01:21:05,846 --> 01:21:08,645 He knew on his own what was right and what was wrong, 1598 01:21:09,683 --> 01:21:11,173 and he... 1599 01:21:11,885 --> 01:21:15,344 practiced it just like he'd practice his music. 1600 01:21:22,062 --> 01:21:24,759 People forget what you do this. 1601 01:21:25,032 --> 01:21:28,478 It's because think back in those days when you guys were in a shitty rehearsal room. 1602 01:21:28,502 --> 01:21:29,833 It's because think back in those days when you guys were in a shitty rehearsal room. 1603 01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:32,940 Nothing else mattered but just making something. 1604 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,474 That's all you lived for. 1605 01:21:35,042 --> 01:21:37,409 So Metal Allegiance, we're just the guys from the neighborhood. 1606 01:21:37,544 --> 01:21:39,672 We're the friends that all shared the same record collection. 1607 01:21:40,013 --> 01:21:41,447 It was just a great spirit. 1608 01:21:41,548 --> 01:21:44,540 And, uh, we-we said, you know, maybe we should make a record. 1609 01:21:44,685 --> 01:21:45,709 Just to see what it sounds like 1610 01:21:45,852 --> 01:21:47,496 if all of us can actually write and record some music together. 1611 01:21:47,521 --> 01:21:47,885 If all of us can actually write and record some music together. 1612 01:21:53,594 --> 01:21:55,688 The marching orders for that record, though, 1613 01:21:55,829 --> 01:21:57,126 is we're writing a thrash metal record. 1614 01:21:57,431 --> 01:21:59,695 Obviously Alex is involved in that scene. 1615 01:22:00,067 --> 01:22:01,262 We're getting Mark Osegueda, 1616 01:22:02,102 --> 01:22:03,934 Gary Holt, and Chuck Billy. 1617 01:22:04,204 --> 01:22:06,070 We're getting the Bay Area's best. 1618 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:06,515 You would hope this happens everywhere, 1619 01:22:06,540 --> 01:22:09,874 You would hope this happens everywhere, 1620 01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:11,671 but we're like, you know, do you think it does? 1621 01:22:11,778 --> 01:22:14,042 Like, no, it's the Bay Area. It's a special place, 1622 01:22:14,181 --> 01:22:17,151 and we've got some special people that are backing each other. 1623 01:22:17,718 --> 01:22:21,382 ♪ Staring me in my eyes You can't kill the devil ♪ 1624 01:22:21,521 --> 01:22:22,352 IND ♪ 1625 01:22:22,456 --> 01:22:24,254 ♪ Cause evil always lies I 1626 01:22:24,458 --> 01:22:25,034 ♪ Strength, determination ♪ 1627 01:22:25,058 --> 01:22:27,026 ♪ Strength, determination ♪ 1628 01:22:27,194 --> 01:22:29,390 ♪ Finding freedom in my children's soul I 1629 01:22:29,563 --> 01:22:31,725 ♪ My time has come, my time is now ♪ 1630 01:22:31,865 --> 01:22:34,232 ♪ Justice sewed on fictitious vows ♪ 1631 01:22:35,902 --> 01:22:36,869 ♪ Kill ♪ 1632 01:22:37,237 --> 01:22:38,068 ♪ Kill ♪ 1633 01:22:38,538 --> 01:22:39,369 ♪ Kill ♪ 1634 01:22:39,806 --> 01:22:40,637 ♪ Kill ♪ 1635 01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,905 Why don't we ever get to do any jams with people, you know? 1636 01:22:49,049 --> 01:22:51,882 And I got approached, I'm like- Absolutely, please. 1637 01:22:52,219 --> 01:22:55,018 ♪ Pledging your allegiance Look me in the face ♪ 1638 01:22:55,122 --> 01:22:57,784 ♪ Walking through flooded gates Show your true disgrace ♪ 1639 01:22:57,924 --> 01:23:00,552 I Flash a tearless smile Going to great lengths I' 1640 01:23:00,661 --> 01:23:03,072 ♪ Covering that broken fear I keep gaining strength I 1641 01:23:03,096 --> 01:23:03,619 ♪ Covering that broken fear I keep gaining strength I 1642 01:23:05,465 --> 01:23:08,833 ♪ I keep gaining strength ♪ 1643 01:23:09,136 --> 01:23:14,836 ♪ Drowning in your fear I 1644 01:23:14,975 --> 01:23:17,239 ♪ Say your pledge ♪ 1645 01:23:17,911 --> 01:23:20,209 ♪ Nothing you can do I 1646 01:23:20,514 --> 01:23:21,591 ♪ Pledge your allegiance ♪ 1647 01:23:21,615 --> 01:23:23,140 ♪ Pledge your allegiance ♪ 1648 01:23:23,617 --> 01:23:25,813 ♪ Hiding is all you ♪ 1649 01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:30,078 ♪ Pledge of Allegiance, yeah ♪ 1650 01:23:31,258 --> 01:23:32,589 Since the 1980s, 1651 01:23:32,693 --> 01:23:35,162 thrash metal music that was nurtured in the Bay Area 1652 01:23:35,295 --> 01:23:37,093 extended its reach around the globe, 1653 01:23:37,197 --> 01:23:40,462 inspiring metal fans everywhere to crank it up. 1654 01:24:02,322 --> 01:24:03,187 In 2013, 1655 01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:07,020 Gary Holt replaced the late, great Jeff Hanneman in Slayer. 1656 01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,491 It's kind of weird, you know? 1657 01:24:08,628 --> 01:24:12,428 I got the call from Kerry to help them out, you know. 1658 01:24:12,532 --> 01:24:15,558 People who don't know the background between the two bands will ask me-- 1659 01:24:15,836 --> 01:24:18,648 Wow, how's it feel to be playing with such metal legends? They're my buddies. 1660 01:24:18,672 --> 01:24:18,763 Wow, how's it feel to be playing with such metal legends? They're my buddies. 1661 01:24:18,905 --> 01:24:23,274 I think metal fans are the most devoted of any lens there are. 1662 01:24:23,410 --> 01:24:25,037 They're not fickle. They like what they like, 1663 01:24:25,178 --> 01:24:28,045 and I think a Slayer fan is that fan times ten. 1664 01:24:29,549 --> 01:24:30,846 To me it's about humility, 1665 01:24:30,984 --> 01:24:33,248 and I'm more humbled by the fact that people 1666 01:24:33,353 --> 01:24:35,481 have such an admiration [or the band. 1667 01:24:35,589 --> 01:24:37,079 You hear stories about some of these people 1668 01:24:37,224 --> 01:24:40,558 that, uh-- your music made me strong and held me together 1669 01:24:40,827 --> 01:24:42,693 in gel past a certain point in my life. 1670 01:24:43,163 --> 01:24:44,460 I'm very grateful [or that. 1671 01:24:46,099 --> 01:24:47,624 You're getting me all teary-eyed. 1672 01:24:56,376 --> 01:24:58,868 In 2017, Megadeth won the Grammy 1673 01:24:59,012 --> 01:25:02,175 for best metal performance for their album, Dystopia. 1674 01:25:02,282 --> 01:25:03,545 One thing is for sure, 1675 01:25:03,884 --> 01:25:06,581 This community has a way of taking care of its own. 1676 01:25:07,087 --> 01:25:10,250 I'm honored that the fans still like what we're doing. 1677 01:25:10,791 --> 01:25:12,987 It's great to hear. It feels good. 1678 01:25:21,568 --> 01:25:23,002 Oh, my God! 1679 01:25:24,905 --> 01:25:26,873 - Like wrestlers. - We're wrestlers. 1680 01:25:28,208 --> 01:25:31,371 When we put on our instruments, we're like teenagers again. 1681 01:25:31,478 --> 01:25:33,810 We have a good time. We joke around. We laugh. 1682 01:25:34,214 --> 01:25:34,223 Everything we do revolves around the jam. 1683 01:25:34,247 --> 01:25:36,511 Everything we do revolves around the jam. 1684 01:25:36,716 --> 01:25:38,514 There seems in be a certain energy 1685 01:25:38,618 --> 01:25:41,212 and magic that's very pure about this music. 1686 01:25:43,223 --> 01:25:44,884 In 2016, 1687 01:25:44,991 --> 01:25:47,653 Metallica released Hardwired... to Self-Destruct 1688 01:25:47,828 --> 01:25:50,160 to massive critical and commercial acclaim. 1689 01:25:50,831 --> 01:25:52,743 We are super grateful to still be where we are, you know? 1690 01:25:52,766 --> 01:25:53,927 We are super grateful to still be where we are, you know? 1691 01:25:54,067 --> 01:25:58,004 We're in Mexico City right here playing in front of 60,000 in 70,000 people 1692 01:25:58,104 --> 01:25:59,037 in one show. 1693 01:25:59,606 --> 01:26:00,596 It blows my mind. 1694 01:26:04,477 --> 01:26:07,447 It's pretty remarkable for bands like Megadeth, and Anthrax, 1695 01:26:07,581 --> 01:26:11,176 and Slayer, and Exodus-- still around and still playing gigs. 1696 01:26:11,618 --> 01:26:11,761 I tell you, whatever you think is going in happen to you, 1697 01:26:11,785 --> 01:26:14,914 I tell you, whatever you think is going in happen to you, 1698 01:26:15,021 --> 01:26:17,217 you have no flicking idea. You just don't 1699 01:26:17,457 --> 01:26:21,087 If it wasn't for Cliff and wasn't for, you know, those early Metallica records, 1700 01:26:21,194 --> 01:26:22,958 you know, I would not be there, that's for sure, 1701 01:26:23,096 --> 01:26:24,723 and there would be no Metal Allegiance. 1702 01:26:25,498 --> 01:26:29,833 Cliff was a fun bass player, and you can feel that onstage. 1703 01:26:29,970 --> 01:26:30,780 For me, I'm honored and blessed to be able to play his bass lines 1704 01:26:30,804 --> 01:26:33,796 For me, I'm honored and blessed to be able to play his bass lines 1705 01:26:33,940 --> 01:26:37,968 and celebrate him and his bass playing to the world. 1706 01:26:38,111 --> 01:26:39,237 All over the world. 1707 01:26:39,379 --> 01:26:41,143 To take it there and share it. 1708 01:27:04,471 --> 01:27:08,317 If you and I were sifting in 1982, 1709 01:27:08,341 --> 01:27:08,384 If you and I were sifting in 1982, 1710 01:27:08,408 --> 01:27:11,742 having a conversation about the East Bay days, 1711 01:27:11,878 --> 01:27:16,475 obviously nobody at that time would ever slow down long enough 1712 01:27:16,583 --> 01:27:19,348 in believe that the music could have 1713 01:27:19,486 --> 01:27:23,116 and the scene could have that kind of impact and that kind oi longevity. 1714 01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:25,456 There's a shirt that says, I think, 1715 01:27:25,825 --> 01:27:27,335 "Four Albums And Still No Ballad!" 1716 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:28,020 "Four Albums And Still No Ballad!" 1717 01:27:28,161 --> 01:27:30,425 And they meant that, because they weren't about that, you know? 1718 01:27:30,530 --> 01:27:31,395 They weren't going to do it. 1719 01:27:31,598 --> 01:27:33,396 I love those guys. They're still my ff lends. 1720 01:27:33,533 --> 01:27:35,001 They're like my brothers. 1721 01:27:37,737 --> 01:27:40,069 We didn't invent music. We didn't invent metal. 1722 01:27:40,206 --> 01:27:41,571 We just look what we loved, 1723 01:27:42,242 --> 01:27:45,075 and, you know, we stood on the backs of giants 1724 01:27:45,545 --> 01:27:46,355 and put our own two cents in. 1725 01:27:46,379 --> 01:27:47,676 And put our own two cents in. 1726 01:27:47,781 --> 01:27:49,875 That's all we did, and out me thrash metal. 1727 01:27:52,752 --> 01:27:58,714 It was a real happening that had real far-reaching, uh, impacts 1728 01:27:59,859 --> 01:28:01,884 over music culture over time. 1729 01:28:05,699 --> 01:28:06,894 See, this wasn't here. 1730 01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,965 I'm wondering if the stage was kind of where the bathroom was. 1731 01:28:10,737 --> 01:28:13,365 I think it was, and this wall was-was exposed. 1732 01:28:14,140 --> 01:28:18,475 You know, we're talking, like, you know, 35 years ago and shit or more. 1733 01:28:18,611 --> 01:28:21,308 I'm surprised how nice the park looks. It's pretty awesome. 1734 01:28:21,715 --> 01:28:23,893 We did a lot of cover tunes. We did "Gets Your Rocks Off" 1735 01:28:23,917 --> 01:28:24,026 We did a lot of cover tunes. We did "Gets Your Rocks Off" 1736 01:28:24,050 --> 01:28:26,747 by Def Leppard and "Wasted" by Def Leppard. 1737 01:28:26,886 --> 01:28:28,718 Half of the first Maiden album. 1738 01:28:28,955 --> 01:28:31,822 Our friend bought Iron Maiden I just because of the cover. 1739 01:28:31,958 --> 01:28:35,394 It was so fresh and new back then that a lot of people thought "Running Free" 1740 01:28:35,495 --> 01:28:37,020 was an Exodus original for a little while. 1741 01:28:37,163 --> 01:28:39,928 We're like, no, sorry. Can't take credit for that one. 1742 01:28:40,066 --> 01:28:42,912 Yeah, "Prowler." Like, I love that song "Prowler." 1743 01:28:42,936 --> 01:28:43,613 Yeah, "Prowler." Like, I love that song "Prowler." 1744 01:28:43,636 --> 01:28:44,626 That song rocks. 1745 01:28:44,771 --> 01:28:46,865 Kirk used to sing "Another Piece of Me" by the Scorpions. 1746 01:28:46,973 --> 01:28:50,273 That was in my high school band room, back when I still went to school. 1747 01:28:51,578 --> 01:28:55,173 It was a perfect storm of all the people that we needed 1748 01:28:55,281 --> 01:28:59,275 inform a long-lasting musical scene that went on to do great things, 1749 01:28:59,919 --> 01:29:01,429 and the amazing thing about it is we were all young, innocent, 1750 01:29:01,454 --> 01:29:03,582 and the amazing thing about it is we were all young, innocent, 1751 01:29:03,690 --> 01:29:05,556 and didn't know what the fuck we were doing 1752 01:29:05,759 --> 01:29:07,124 or where it all was going. 1753 01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:08,523 It just happened. 1754 01:29:09,496 --> 01:29:11,487 It was like- It was like from-- from heaven. 1755 01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,827 It was one of the greatest times of my life. 1756 01:29:25,879 --> 01:29:27,904 You know, I was telling somebody this morning 1757 01:29:28,048 --> 01:29:29,812 that I thought Metallica played here. 1758 01:29:29,949 --> 01:29:31,917 No, no. Kirk Hammett from Metallica, 1759 01:29:32,018 --> 01:29:35,613 when he was a member of our band Exodus, played here when we were 16 years old. 1760 01:29:35,722 --> 01:29:37,417 - No, you guys are Exodus? - Yeah. 1761 01:29:37,557 --> 01:29:38,991 I've been a fan forever. 1762 01:29:39,125 --> 01:29:39,469 That is so awesome. You're back. 1763 01:29:39,492 --> 01:29:40,960 That is so awesome. You're back. 1764 01:29:41,061 --> 01:29:43,928 Exodus continue in play on around the world, 1765 01:29:44,064 --> 01:29:46,726 and still no fucking ballads! 1766 01:29:50,703 --> 01:29:53,832 ♪ All alone in the dead of night ♪ 1767 01:29:53,973 --> 01:29:57,307 ♪ My worst nightmare is coming true ♪ 1768 01:29:57,410 --> 01:29:58,488 ♪ Soon they'll come for me With one single kiss I 1769 01:29:58,511 --> 01:30:01,776 ♪ Soon they'll come for me With one single kiss I 1770 01:30:02,015 --> 01:30:05,383 ♪ I stand accused You put me down ♪ 1771 01:30:05,518 --> 01:30:09,182 ♪ But I forgive this thorny crown ♪ 1772 01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:23,225 ♪ Pledge my heart and soul ♪ 1773 01:31:24,130 --> 01:31:26,724 ♪ Pledge my heart and soul ♪ 1774 01:31:28,001 --> 01:31:30,698 ♪ Pledge my heart and soul ♪ 1775 01:31:31,938 --> 01:31:32,581 ♪ Pledge my heart, my heart and soul ♪ 1776 01:31:32,605 --> 01:31:36,564 ♪ Pledge my heart, my heart and soul ♪ 154078

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