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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,928 --> 00:00:15,098          [shutter clicking]          2 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:16,766              [cat meows]             3 00:00:16,808 --> 00:00:19,728           [birds chirping]           4 00:00:21,187 --> 00:00:24,816       [dog barking in distance]      5 00:00:24,858 --> 00:00:29,738      raucous rock instrumental     6 00:00:29,779 --> 00:00:34,200                                   7 00:00:34,242 --> 00:00:35,577    [music stops, engine turns off]  8 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:39,205        [dog continues barking                    in distance]             9 00:00:39,247 --> 00:00:42,500       [Craig]   Back in the day,       10 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:45,378            we were the people                    that stood in line         11 00:00:45,420 --> 00:00:49,549            at a record store               waiting for the gate to open.    12 00:00:49,591 --> 00:00:55,096          Because the discovery                of music was everything.      13 00:00:58,266 --> 00:01:02,645                For years,                  the only way you would be able  14 00:01:02,687 --> 00:01:04,731       to judge what you should get    15 00:01:04,773 --> 00:01:06,900              was you'd look                  at the cover and be like,      16 00:01:06,941 --> 00:01:09,402      "Oh, that's cool. That's gonna            piss off my parents"        17 00:01:09,444 --> 00:01:11,738         or "That looks rockin',"                    or whatever.            18 00:01:11,780 --> 00:01:14,199              And it was all                     we looked forward to        19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,909       was to open that cellophane     20 00:01:15,950 --> 00:01:17,577            and see what would                 fall out of the jacket.       21 00:01:17,619 --> 00:01:19,871          Sometimes there would               be a picture or something,     22 00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:22,916        and smell it and hold it,      23 00:01:22,957 --> 00:01:24,667         put it on the turntable,      24 00:01:24,709 --> 00:01:28,421        drop the needle, and when             this music's in your blood     25 00:01:28,463 --> 00:01:30,882          and Dio and the music                he made's in your blood,      26 00:01:30,924 --> 00:01:34,010        it's just impossible to--                    to get out.             27 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:36,387       [heavy metal instrumental                    playing]               28 00:01:36,429 --> 00:01:41,267           [crowd cheering]           29 00:01:41,309 --> 00:01:44,604                                   30 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:48,441            When you're a kid,               you're looking for a voice,     31 00:01:48,483 --> 00:01:52,112         somethin' that says,               "This is my generation."       32 00:01:52,153 --> 00:01:54,239               And for us,                       it was heavy metal.         33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,282                                   34 00:01:56,324 --> 00:01:58,118               And then all                  of a sudden comes this dude     35 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:00,787       with the most powerful voice                    of all!               36 00:02:00,829 --> 00:02:03,039           Stand up and shout        37 00:02:03,081 --> 00:02:06,918          [Ronnie vocalizing]         38 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,381         With a heavy metal band,              the music is so powerful      39 00:02:11,422 --> 00:02:14,050              and so potent,                   you really have to know       40 00:02:14,092 --> 00:02:15,635           how to control it--         41 00:02:15,677 --> 00:02:18,304         specifically singers              because we have a message.      42 00:02:18,346 --> 00:02:20,640        We have things to say.        43 00:02:20,682 --> 00:02:22,976              Listen to me                 and believe what I say today    44 00:02:23,017 --> 00:02:26,646      He found a way to create music             that makes people          45 00:02:26,688 --> 00:02:29,399       unable to contain themselves    46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,110    to the point where they refuse         to live without that music.     47 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:34,654                                    48 00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:36,322         I was amazed by the way       49 00:02:36,364 --> 00:02:38,825              he was able to                      captivate people.          50 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:41,327       I want to know how, why--              How do you get there?        51 00:02:41,369 --> 00:02:44,164                [roars]               52 00:02:44,205 --> 00:02:46,332                We rock              53 00:02:46,374 --> 00:02:48,501        There are a lot of people                that think of Ronnie        54 00:02:48,543 --> 00:02:50,670          as being the guy that              did this and singing metal.     55 00:02:50,712 --> 00:02:53,715             That is him,                   but there's another side.      56 00:02:53,756 --> 00:02:55,508      The million dollar question--    57 00:02:55,550 --> 00:02:57,844              How do you                   describe Ronnie James Dio?      58 00:02:57,886 --> 00:03:00,722        I tend to be an enigma            to a lot of people, I think.     59 00:03:00,763 --> 00:03:02,724               There was                    something about the guy.       60 00:03:02,765 --> 00:03:05,435              There was just                     something about him.        61 00:03:05,476 --> 00:03:08,605            When Ronnie sang,                   he wanted to make sure       62 00:03:08,646 --> 00:03:11,024      that everyone never forgot it.  63 00:03:11,065 --> 00:03:15,653      People took it home with them     and they named their pet "Dio,"    64 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:19,324              and they named                  their firstborn "Ronnie."      65 00:03:19,365 --> 00:03:21,868               It was like,                     "This is rock 'n' roll       66 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:24,287             that is gonna                 change your fucking life."      67 00:03:24,329 --> 00:03:26,539             'Cause we rock          68 00:03:26,581 --> 00:03:29,459                We rock              69 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:32,545            See how we rock          70 00:03:32,587 --> 00:03:34,005                We rock              71 00:03:34,047 --> 00:03:38,051       [dog barking in distance]      72 00:03:44,515 --> 00:03:46,392             It's been years                     since Ronnie passed.        73 00:03:46,434 --> 00:03:50,730               He passed on                     the 16th of May, 2010.       74 00:03:50,772 --> 00:03:53,399      I think he's here. I think         he's here still, all the time.    75 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:55,735  Sometimes I hear my name called,        but there's nobody here.       76 00:03:55,777 --> 00:03:57,195      [distant echoing voice] Wendy.  77 00:03:57,237 --> 00:04:00,573                [Wendy]                I'm probably just imagining it.    78 00:04:00,615 --> 00:04:02,992        Hello. Welcome to my home      79 00:04:03,034 --> 00:04:04,911              and welcome to                   Behind Closed Doors.         80 00:04:04,953 --> 00:04:08,581     This was a Christmas present           from my wife, from Wendy.      81 00:04:08,623 --> 00:04:12,377              We can see                     the lions and whatnot.        82 00:04:12,418 --> 00:04:15,838      Mick, away we go. I'm gonna             make this ball here,         83 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,091        - and then we can talk.                  - [Mick] Okay.            84 00:04:18,132 --> 00:04:21,094        Ronnie's story traverses,             really, the whole history      85 00:04:21,135 --> 00:04:22,762              of rock music.           86 00:04:22,804 --> 00:04:26,724          His career went on                for decade after decade.       87 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:29,894            Here we are all                these years after he died,      88 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:33,898          and he's still this              huge figure in heavy metal.     89 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:36,693                You know,               some of these guys are immortal,  90 00:04:36,734 --> 00:04:39,028             but none more so                   than Ronnie James Dio.       91 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:41,281    We now have a media room here,    92 00:04:41,322 --> 00:04:45,034      but I still have the lions         and I still have the nostalgia    93 00:04:45,076 --> 00:04:48,788          of when we used to                have the pool table here.      94 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:50,456             Well, you've                   caught me in the library,      95 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:52,292       one of my favorite places                in all the world           96 00:04:52,333 --> 00:04:55,712      because it contains words.      97 00:04:55,753 --> 00:04:58,756       You know, he had a message.               He was a messenger.         98 00:04:58,798 --> 00:05:03,052    His message was for the people          that lived regular lives,      99 00:05:03,094 --> 00:05:06,264          had regular dreams               that meant something real.      100 00:05:06,306 --> 00:05:08,474       [plays discordant chords]      101 00:05:08,516 --> 00:05:10,977     You know I don't play piano.                 I'm a singer.            102 00:05:11,019 --> 00:05:13,896         Let's go to the bar.            It's my favorite place anyway.    103 00:05:13,938 --> 00:05:17,025      This is his favorite place,                 was the bar.             104 00:05:17,066 --> 00:05:19,652        So I feel his presence                   much more here.           105 00:05:19,694 --> 00:05:21,946           And it's a warm,                    comforting feeling.         106 00:05:21,988 --> 00:05:23,948         Obviously, you've had               a lot of elbows resting       107 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:25,700                on this                      at one time or another.       108 00:05:25,742 --> 00:05:27,744      We never started with this.     109 00:05:27,785 --> 00:05:29,662        And why should we think          that this should last forever?    110 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:31,956     I was just as happy, and I'm         sure Wendy was just as happy     111 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:33,833           before struggling                and being happy together.      112 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:36,169          I think this is all                very transitory anyway.       113 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:38,129      It's--It comes and it goes.     114 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:40,173    I mean, you have ups and downs.             It's like life.           115 00:05:40,214 --> 00:05:43,468     Life goes through great waves           of emotion and passion        116 00:05:43,509 --> 00:05:45,345            and great lows                   of despair and whatnot.       117 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:46,929        That's the way life is.       118 00:05:49,682 --> 00:05:51,100               [creaks]               119 00:05:58,358 --> 00:06:03,404             There it is.                 That's his beautiful trumpet     120 00:06:03,446 --> 00:06:06,032        that hasn't been played                  in a long time.           121 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:09,535       He used to play this from           when he was five years old.     122 00:06:09,577 --> 00:06:11,496      He never played it for me.      123 00:06:11,537 --> 00:06:14,707        It's a beautiful thing,           but he had had enough of it,     124 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:16,167           I think from all                   the hours of practice        125 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:17,710      he had to do with his dad.      126 00:06:17,752 --> 00:06:22,590      smooth swing instrumental     127 00:06:22,632 --> 00:06:24,300               [Ronnie]                    I started as a trumpet player    128 00:06:24,342 --> 00:06:26,427        when I was five years old.     129 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:28,096     [reporter]   Oh, so you've been         very musical. Where was that?    130 00:06:28,137 --> 00:06:29,472      [Ronnie]   Upstate New York,      131 00:06:29,514 --> 00:06:30,848              a town called                      Cortland, New York,         132 00:06:30,890 --> 00:06:32,183              which is right                  in the middle of nowhere.      133 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:34,685         Dairy farming community.                   18,000 people.           134 00:06:34,727 --> 00:06:36,896  It was a great place to grow up                because you got           135 00:06:36,938 --> 00:06:39,357          a good moral attitude.                  You grew up well.          136 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:42,652            This is the house                   where Ronnie grew up.        137 00:06:42,693 --> 00:06:44,237        After he became famous,                 the city decided           138 00:06:44,278 --> 00:06:46,155       that they were gonna name              the street after him         139 00:06:46,197 --> 00:06:48,241           'cause it was on                 the corner of his house.       140 00:06:48,282 --> 00:06:49,826       So, this is the Dio way.       141 00:06:49,867 --> 00:06:51,911             This had been                  stolen a couple of times.      142 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:58,251          His immediate family,         they were pretty straight-laced.  143 00:06:58,292 --> 00:07:00,253        His mother was, you know,              a sweetheart, of course.      144 00:07:00,294 --> 00:07:01,796          You know, the moms             were always easier on the kids    145 00:07:01,838 --> 00:07:03,464           than the father.           146 00:07:03,506 --> 00:07:05,425               [Ronnie]                     My father was harsh with me.    147 00:07:05,466 --> 00:07:08,636      You know, these were the days            when a good hiding was,       148 00:07:08,678 --> 00:07:10,555          you know, right around               the corner. And boy, I--      149 00:07:10,596 --> 00:07:12,223            Believe me, I was                always up for one of those.     150 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:13,891           I wasn't up for it,         151 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:15,601           but I always caused                one of those, apparently.      152 00:07:15,643 --> 00:07:17,145       Everyone had the same ideas.    153 00:07:17,186 --> 00:07:18,479          They were good ethics,                     good morals,            154 00:07:18,521 --> 00:07:20,231        a lot of church involved.      155 00:07:20,273 --> 00:07:22,358         Whether I believed in it           or didn't, it gave you rules.    156 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,651                [Dave]                      You know, Catholic, ya know?    157 00:07:23,693 --> 00:07:25,611         Ronnie was an altar boy.      158 00:07:25,653 --> 00:07:28,364      Ronnie loved classical music.    159 00:07:28,406 --> 00:07:31,242                His father                   insisted he practice trumpet    160 00:07:31,284 --> 00:07:34,745        three hours every day,                     for years.              161 00:07:34,787 --> 00:07:37,248        He was a voracious reader.     162 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:48,384     He was a smart kid in school.    163 00:07:48,426 --> 00:07:50,553      High grades, very intelligent,  164 00:07:50,595 --> 00:07:52,388         president of his class,                      actually.              165 00:07:52,430 --> 00:07:55,600      And he was a little bit crazy.  166 00:07:55,641 --> 00:07:57,560             One time we were                     riding in the car.         167 00:07:57,602 --> 00:07:59,312            There was a nun                 walking down the street,       168 00:07:59,353 --> 00:08:01,189           and Ronnie stuck                  his ass out the window        169 00:08:01,230 --> 00:08:04,775            and he mooned her,                   so he mooned a nun.         170 00:08:04,817 --> 00:08:06,319  [Mick] He was a bit of a rebel.    171 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,237              He had a gang                       called The Angels.         172 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:11,199        Stole a car here and there             and got in some trouble.      173 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,992       It could have escalated,       174 00:08:13,034 --> 00:08:15,161            but I think not                in that family background.      175 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:17,246                 I mean,                      it wasn't just his father.     176 00:08:17,288 --> 00:08:20,041        There was his grandmother,          and there are pictures of her.  177 00:08:20,082 --> 00:08:21,584             She doesn't look                   like the kind of lady        178 00:08:21,626 --> 00:08:24,462       anybody would want to cross.    179 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:27,423             I think for him,                can you imagine in the '50s     180 00:08:27,465 --> 00:08:30,009       how conservative times were?    181 00:08:30,051 --> 00:08:32,345           Like most musicians,        182 00:08:32,386 --> 00:08:35,389            he realized music                  was a route out of that.      183 00:08:35,431 --> 00:08:38,434      This was a road to good times.  184 00:08:38,476 --> 00:08:42,188        And what blows me away,                     as a fan,              185 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:44,690            when I discovered                   that Ronnie James Dio,       186 00:08:44,732 --> 00:08:46,943             best metal voice                      you ever heard,           187 00:08:46,984 --> 00:08:50,696            he was singing in                the '50s before the Beatles.    188 00:08:50,738 --> 00:08:53,449         How is that possible?              Like, that's fascinating.      189 00:08:53,491 --> 00:08:55,535       Other than wine and weed.      190 00:08:55,576 --> 00:08:58,287              [laughing]              191 00:08:58,329 --> 00:09:01,958           [birds chirping]           192 00:09:04,418 --> 00:09:07,755      Everybody has their things.     193 00:09:07,797 --> 00:09:10,091           Some people like                 to go to football games.       194 00:09:10,132 --> 00:09:13,844       Some people like to bowl.           I collect Ronnie James Dio.     195 00:09:13,886 --> 00:09:16,639          ["Conquest" by Ronnie                and the Redcaps playing]      196 00:09:18,933 --> 00:09:23,062                                   197 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:26,899            I was a radio guy,         198 00:09:26,941 --> 00:09:30,236    so I came out of Syracuse radio           in the early '60s.          199 00:09:30,278 --> 00:09:34,240           Ronnie first started             in bands back in--around 1958,  200 00:09:34,282 --> 00:09:38,244        playing trumpets and horns              and bass at the time.        201 00:09:38,286 --> 00:09:40,413            It was earlier                      than the Beatles.          202 00:09:40,454 --> 00:09:42,999          So, it was Bill Haley.                It was Elvis Presley.        203 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,667        It was all those rockers.      204 00:09:44,709 --> 00:09:46,460              That's what                     the inspiration was.         205 00:09:46,502 --> 00:09:50,172        [Wendy]   So, Ronnie was              born Ronald James Padavona.     206 00:09:50,214 --> 00:09:52,216             But when he was                     in bands and stuff,         207 00:09:52,258 --> 00:09:54,802        it was too long a name             and not hip enough for him.     208 00:09:54,844 --> 00:09:57,013      Ronnie got his name, "Dio,"     209 00:09:57,054 --> 00:10:01,559             famously from                  a real life Mafia mob guy      210 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:03,769          called Johnny Dio.          211 00:10:03,811 --> 00:10:06,606       [Wendy]   Ronnie was like,            "This is evil, but it's cool."  212 00:10:06,647 --> 00:10:08,941            And so he decided,                "That's gonna be my name."     213 00:10:08,983 --> 00:10:10,776             And that was it.          214 00:10:10,818 --> 00:10:12,695            I was the guy who                 didn't want to do anything     215 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:14,363          but play the music.                I didn't want to sing.        216 00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:15,698          And everyone tried,                 and everyone kind of         217 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:17,199         fell by the wayside,                and they finally said,        218 00:10:17,241 --> 00:10:19,118        "Okay, it's your turn."       219 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,288       [record needle scratches]      220 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:25,458          ["An Angel is Missing"                       playing]              221 00:10:25,499 --> 00:10:29,879                                   222 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,091          An angel is missing        223 00:10:34,133 --> 00:10:37,970          From heaven tonight        224 00:10:38,012 --> 00:10:39,513     The training as a horn player    225 00:10:39,555 --> 00:10:41,432       was so absolutely perfect                  as a singer.             226 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:43,142     You play from the same place               as you sing from,          227 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:44,935         from your diaphragm.         228 00:10:44,977 --> 00:10:49,357               In my mind,                     my voice was a trumpet.       229 00:10:49,398 --> 00:10:51,609          For how could she be       230 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:54,612            When that angel          231 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:58,616            Is here with me?         232 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:01,619             In the Red Caps,                    Ronnie was so clean         233 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:05,164        and could hit any note                 he was looking for.         234 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:07,500         You could tell this guy               is professional already       235 00:11:07,541 --> 00:11:10,002            and he's only 18.          236 00:11:10,044 --> 00:11:13,923           Don't hold my hand        237 00:11:13,964 --> 00:11:16,842         Don't let me kiss you       238 00:11:16,884 --> 00:11:19,345             I'll be untrue          239 00:11:19,387 --> 00:11:23,099           Unfaithful to you,                   I'll never miss you        240 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:25,309          [Ron]   The Red Caps               eventually became The Prophets  241 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:27,103          and through the years,                    The Prophets,            242 00:11:27,144 --> 00:11:29,522      they formed something special.  243 00:11:29,563 --> 00:11:32,692        He really had the passion               to do the best he can        244 00:11:32,733 --> 00:11:34,860            with the abilities                  that he was God-given.       245 00:11:34,902 --> 00:11:36,654     [Dick]   Ronnie got the dream,     246 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:38,864            so we used to talk                 about that all the time.      247 00:11:38,906 --> 00:11:40,700             Ronnie was gonna                    be the lead singer,         248 00:11:40,741 --> 00:11:42,702            star of the show.          249 00:11:42,743 --> 00:11:44,912         And then I was going to              be his lead guitar player.     250 00:11:44,954 --> 00:11:47,915      Nicky was gonna be the leader              of any orchestration        251 00:11:47,957 --> 00:11:50,584               or the band.            252 00:11:50,626 --> 00:11:53,045          [Mick]   Nick Pantas                    was Ronnie's kind of        253 00:11:53,087 --> 00:11:55,214  musical soulmate at that point,    254 00:11:55,256 --> 00:11:57,717           that he writes with,                   builds bands with,         255 00:11:57,758 --> 00:11:59,844           builds dreams with.         256 00:11:59,885 --> 00:12:02,304             Even from those                    very, very early days,       257 00:12:02,346 --> 00:12:06,392       you can tell his mission            in life was to be a singer.     258 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:08,018           You can tell it.           259 00:12:08,060 --> 00:12:10,896                                   260 00:12:10,938 --> 00:12:13,816           One of the problems              that we really had back then--  261 00:12:13,858 --> 00:12:17,403      we could not find the genre     262 00:12:17,445 --> 00:12:19,739  that would fit Ronnie perfectly.  263 00:12:19,780 --> 00:12:22,992       He was capable of singing              anything, basically.         264 00:12:23,033 --> 00:12:24,535        He would be doing songs       265 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:26,871        by Engelbert Humperdinck,                     Tom Jones.             266 00:12:26,912 --> 00:12:29,081           Ronnie did a version                  of "The Way of Love"        267 00:12:29,123 --> 00:12:30,833       that Cher had a big hit on.     268 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:33,711          When you meet a boy        269 00:12:33,753 --> 00:12:36,088         Before Cher recorded it.                  It's phenomenal.          270 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:42,094          When you meet a girl       271 00:12:42,136 --> 00:12:46,599          That you like a lot        272 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,434       [Dave]   I got in the band.      273 00:12:48,476 --> 00:12:51,896              I was just out                 of high school in 1965, '66.    274 00:12:51,937 --> 00:12:53,564             We had a manager                  at the time from Ithaca,      275 00:12:53,606 --> 00:12:55,274        and he was pushing Ronnie      276 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:57,067              into following            that Tom Jones route, you know?    277 00:12:57,109 --> 00:13:01,447         Say you're mine again       278 00:13:01,489 --> 00:13:03,365          [Ronnie]   Careers go                 in different directions.      279 00:13:03,407 --> 00:13:04,617              In those days,                    it wasn't fashionable        280 00:13:04,658 --> 00:13:06,118          to be in rock 'n' roll                       in order              281 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,578          to want to pursue that                     as a career.            282 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:09,580         It really made no sense                    at all to do.            283 00:13:09,622 --> 00:13:11,415         Well, I loved it so much      284 00:13:11,457 --> 00:13:12,833           that it was going to                make sense for me to do.      285 00:13:12,875 --> 00:13:16,295              Oh, darling,                        say you're mine          286 00:13:16,337 --> 00:13:19,298          discordant chords         287 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:23,093     [rock 'n' roll music playing]    288 00:13:23,135 --> 00:13:28,140                We found                      a way to be discovered       289 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:29,975         [Dave]   All the series                 of pictures were taken       290 00:13:30,017 --> 00:13:32,311         in my parents' basement.      291 00:13:32,353 --> 00:13:35,981      And we took rolls of tinfoil,         and we hung it up in the back.  292 00:13:36,023 --> 00:13:38,317             And that's when                 the Beatles first came out,     293 00:13:38,359 --> 00:13:40,820           so everybody started                to grow their hair long.      294 00:13:40,861 --> 00:13:44,490                                   295 00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:47,785      We decided to change the name             to The Electric Elves.       296 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:48,911         I mean, we used to have                   a van that said           297 00:13:48,953 --> 00:13:50,663         "Electric Elves" on it.       298 00:13:50,704 --> 00:13:53,123         They thought we were                electrical contractors.       299 00:13:53,165 --> 00:13:56,293       "Uh, my house needs wiring.          Call The Electric Elves over.    300 00:13:56,335 --> 00:13:58,295  They're small. They can get into     the crawl space really easily."  301 00:13:58,337 --> 00:13:59,839               [laughs]               302 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,257        You know and at that time,                  playing clubs,           303 00:14:01,298 --> 00:14:02,967        you're doing cover songs.      304 00:14:03,008 --> 00:14:05,052  When The Beatles album came out,        we learned the whole album.     305 00:14:05,094 --> 00:14:07,012         You know, because Ronnie            could sing the whole album.     306 00:14:07,054 --> 00:14:10,266    [Ronnie]   We were doing so well           from a playing standpoint,     307 00:14:10,307 --> 00:14:11,517        you know, going from Maine          to North Carolina to Detroit.    308 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,396             We wanted to be                       better musically          309 00:14:15,437 --> 00:14:17,356             and wanted to be                     something special.         310 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:23,320         spacey instrumental        311 00:14:23,362 --> 00:14:26,615           1968, I had been out                of the band for a while       312 00:14:26,657 --> 00:14:28,617     and Ronnie was playing clubs,    313 00:14:28,659 --> 00:14:30,202            like they were                    always playing clubs,        314 00:14:30,244 --> 00:14:31,704             and they were                 called The Electric Elves.      315 00:14:31,745 --> 00:14:34,039          We played in, uh...         316 00:14:34,081 --> 00:14:37,167       I think it was Waterbury,            Connecticut, for a week.       317 00:14:37,209 --> 00:14:41,964        And, uh, we decided not to          stay overnight the last night.  318 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:45,384      Our gear was in the back of      the van. We all rode in the van,  319 00:14:45,426 --> 00:14:46,969             so we decided to                   drive home that night        320 00:14:47,011 --> 00:14:49,054  rather than stay another night.    321 00:14:49,096 --> 00:14:53,392            And a drunk driver                ends up crossing the lane      322 00:14:53,434 --> 00:14:54,894           and hits us head on.        323 00:14:54,935 --> 00:14:59,064         [horn blares, crash]         324 00:14:59,106 --> 00:15:02,401               I woke up in                   a hospital bed with Ronnie     325 00:15:02,443 --> 00:15:05,905       next to me in the other bed.    326 00:15:05,946 --> 00:15:08,657         We looked like zombies.              Ronnie hit the windshield.     327 00:15:08,699 --> 00:15:10,701      His whole scalp was torn back.  328 00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:13,996      He had over a hundred stitches               in his scalp.            329 00:15:14,038 --> 00:15:17,708       [Dick]   Nicky was driving,             and it impacted the front,     330 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:19,418                pinned him                      in the steering wheel        331 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:21,795      and he actually bled to death.  332 00:15:21,837 --> 00:15:24,548            somber music            333 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:29,887          Uh...it--it--it was                really hard to believe,       334 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:33,891          to understand that                   that could happen.          335 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:36,226                [Mick]                      This is such a catastrophe,     336 00:15:36,268 --> 00:15:38,354         not just for, obviously,              for Nick and his family,      337 00:15:38,395 --> 00:15:42,107             but for Ronnie,                   it becomes a moment of,       338 00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:46,528          "Is this time to throw            in the towel? Is this a sign?    339 00:15:46,570 --> 00:15:49,281      Is this just not meant to be?"  340 00:15:53,243 --> 00:15:57,122           That's a slide--               That's one slide of Ronnie's.    341 00:15:57,164 --> 00:16:00,084          You can see it's--                 it's after the accident       342 00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:02,211           when his hair was                just starting to grow in.      343 00:16:02,252 --> 00:16:05,673        Ronnie, when he was a kid,             succeeded really greatly      344 00:16:05,714 --> 00:16:07,508           as far as academics.        345 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:11,762  At some point he started college        and he was taking pharmacy.     346 00:16:11,804 --> 00:16:15,099         So, after the accident,            he could have chosen anything,  347 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,184           any avenue to go to.        348 00:16:17,226 --> 00:16:19,687                I remember                     the moment when I said,       349 00:16:19,728 --> 00:16:21,897         "We gonna put this thing            back together?" And he said,    350 00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:23,691        "Yeah, we're gonna put             this thing back together."      351 00:16:23,732 --> 00:16:26,318              In our minds,                     we were wanting to go        352 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,071        to Led Zeppelin, The Who.              We idolized Deep Purple.      353 00:16:29,113 --> 00:16:31,949       Deep Purple, that's what              was heaviest, you know?       354 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:34,493              "Good golly,"                   said little Miss Molly       355 00:16:34,535 --> 00:16:36,537          When she was rockin'              in the house of blue light     356 00:16:36,578 --> 00:16:39,748       And we just said, "Okay,             that's what we wanna do."      357 00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:42,501           [Mick] And the death                    of Nick Pantas,           358 00:16:42,543 --> 00:16:44,628           that terrible crash         359 00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:47,131             that could have                 easily dissuaded lesser men     360 00:16:47,172 --> 00:16:49,466               just to say,                   "You know what? I'm done,"     361 00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:52,344             Ronnie decides,                      "No, I'm not done.         362 00:16:52,386 --> 00:16:55,514           In fact, I'm only                 just getting started."        363 00:16:55,556 --> 00:16:57,808             rock music             364 00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:01,812                                   365 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,606             Lord, help me           366 00:17:04,648 --> 00:17:09,111           Someone's sleeping                   in my bed at night         367 00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:10,946         He decides to build this      368 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:13,240              into something                      more contemporary          369 00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:16,118            with, you know,                   a shit ton of power.         370 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,038                                   371 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,457         [Eddie]   There's just                 a power and a presence.       372 00:17:21,498 --> 00:17:23,834             It's remarkable                  when you think that a man      373 00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:26,003          of such small stature        374 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,463         had the biggest voice             you're ever going to hear.      375 00:17:27,504 --> 00:17:30,299                [Dick]                       Eventually, we became Elf.     376 00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:32,301            We were very small          and all kinds of hair and beards  377 00:17:32,342 --> 00:17:33,802           and the whole deal.                  We'd walk out on stage       378 00:17:33,844 --> 00:17:36,346              and actually,                   people started to chuckle.     379 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:38,932             But when we hit                 the first note, it was like,    380 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:41,810         jaws dropped, you know?                       [laughs]              381 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:45,731                                   382 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:50,194         [Mick]   And suddenly,              you've got not just a new band  383 00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:52,863             but a new sound,                      a new attitude.           384 00:17:52,905 --> 00:17:58,035            And the beginnings                 of the Ronnie James Dio       385 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:01,955        that would become famous.      386 00:18:01,997 --> 00:18:06,126     soft acoustic instrumental     387 00:18:06,168 --> 00:18:08,879           [Dave]   We came up                     with those songs,          388 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:10,714         and that's what ended up               getting us an audition       389 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:12,591        with, you know, Columbia.      390 00:18:12,633 --> 00:18:16,804      [Dick]   Elf were auditioning            for the famous Clive Davis     391 00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:19,598        who discovered everybody,                  just everybody.           392 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,018            And we were gonna                   audition for him. Wow.       393 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:26,105               At the time,                   Roger Glover and Ian Paice     394 00:18:26,146 --> 00:18:27,731            from Deep Purple,          395 00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,149           out of the blue,                     for some reason,           396 00:18:29,191 --> 00:18:31,276            they wanted to                      become producers.          397 00:18:31,318 --> 00:18:34,113     So, somehow they got involved         in coming to this audition.     398 00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:35,739          [Dick]   We were told                 just at the last moment       399 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:37,366            that Roger and Ian                       were coming.            400 00:18:37,407 --> 00:18:39,243            Well, that put us                     in quite a turmoil         401 00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:41,537        because two of our heroes?                   Oh, my Lord.            402 00:18:41,578 --> 00:18:43,247             "Oh, my God.                  Like, you know, two people      403 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:44,957         from Deep Purple are               gonna be here, you know?"      404 00:18:44,998 --> 00:18:47,376       It's like, and I idolized               the band, you know?         405 00:18:47,417 --> 00:18:49,378           Some chairs set up,                    and Clive comes in         406 00:18:49,419 --> 00:18:51,630      and a couple people with him.    407 00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:53,132  And then Roger and Ian come in.    408 00:18:53,173 --> 00:18:55,050           Well, well, well.          409 00:18:55,092 --> 00:18:56,552         There were probably,                     I don't know,            410 00:18:56,593 --> 00:18:59,596      15 or 20 suits in the room.     411 00:18:59,638 --> 00:19:01,181               You know,                     Clive Davis, et cetera,       412 00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:02,683           all these people                      and white wine            413 00:19:02,724 --> 00:19:04,226        and you know, It's all,              "Thank you very much."        414 00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:07,771            And then these                  four midgets walked out.       415 00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:11,859  And I go, "What's this? A circus      act or something?" You know.     416 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:14,736              Standing there                and playing in front of, like,  417 00:19:14,778 --> 00:19:17,114       you know, record executives,    418 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,449            and not to mention                 two guys in Deep Purple,      419 00:19:19,491 --> 00:19:22,327             and you have to                    try to sell yourself.        420 00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:24,663        It was, like, a big deal.      421 00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:26,498      You know, we played the songs,  422 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:28,208             and it was like,                 "All right, that's enough.     423 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:30,127             We don't need to                   hear any more songs."        424 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:32,087        And everybody gets up.             You know, we couldn't hear      425 00:19:32,129 --> 00:19:34,673     what they were talking about,            and everybody leaves.        426 00:19:34,715 --> 00:19:40,345          We don't know if they             hated it or if they loved it.    427 00:19:40,387 --> 00:19:43,098     I mean, we were knocked out.            Absolutely knocked out.       428 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,142          And we said, "Yeah,            we'll do this. We'll do this."    429 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,770       And we flew down to Atlanta             and recorded the album.       430 00:19:48,812 --> 00:19:52,482                                   431 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,118          And then we got to go               on tour with Deep Purple.      432 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,372       So we went from playing bars               to playing arenas.         433 00:20:07,414 --> 00:20:10,000    We really felt like we made it     at that time, you know? [laughs]  434 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:11,877          Little did we know                there's a long way to go       435 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,545      before you really make it.      436 00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:16,548     [Ronnie]   I always had places             that I wanted to get to.      437 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,467               Deep Purple                      were my favorite band.       438 00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:20,719            We must have done                 probably eight full tours      439 00:20:20,761 --> 00:20:24,389              with the band.                  So, Elf took on the world.     440 00:20:24,431 --> 00:20:26,141            You know, that was          the beginning, certainly for me.  441 00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:27,559             Baby, you know          442 00:20:27,601 --> 00:20:30,979        I'm coming back for you      443 00:20:31,021 --> 00:20:33,398         I'm coming back for you     444 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,234          So, over the course         445 00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:37,110              of the next                   couple of years touring,       446 00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:38,904       Ronnie was always around us.    447 00:20:38,946 --> 00:20:40,739           I fell in love with                 the sound of his voice,       448 00:20:40,781 --> 00:20:42,908           then I fell in love                  with his personality,        449 00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:46,119       then I fell in love with him               as a human being.          450 00:20:46,161 --> 00:20:48,538              He was great.                  He was funny, strong-willed.    451 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:50,916             And he believed                       in what he did.           452 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:54,044      Go for what you believe in,          and that's what Ronnie was.     453 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:57,714            He was--he was                 a hard fist coming at you.      454 00:20:57,756 --> 00:21:00,300               You know,                      I just loved the guy.        455 00:21:00,342 --> 00:21:02,427      I just genuinely loved him.     456 00:21:02,469 --> 00:21:06,932           It was born into him                from generations of eons      457 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:09,393             of lifetimes ago          458 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:12,854              to be...kind.            459 00:21:15,482 --> 00:21:19,945                                   460 00:21:19,987 --> 00:21:24,283           [crowd cheering]           461 00:21:24,324 --> 00:21:27,286     Growing up a Deep Purple fan,    462 00:21:27,327 --> 00:21:30,372             it's just, like,                   they were the biggest        463 00:21:30,414 --> 00:21:34,251        and the fucking baddest               of all the musicians         464 00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:36,128            on the planet.            465 00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:42,009      And--And fucking Blackmore.              Oh, my fucking God.         466 00:21:42,050 --> 00:21:44,344          funk instrumental         467 00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:45,971      [Roger]   Ritchie Blackmore--     468 00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:48,473           he's like the "Deep"                    in Deep Purple.           469 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:50,976            Uh, he's a mystery                     within a riddle.          470 00:21:51,018 --> 00:21:54,104         He's not the easiest man                  to get on with.           471 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:55,480         I barely saw Ritchie                    in Deep Purple            472 00:21:55,522 --> 00:21:57,482        when I was in the band.       473 00:21:57,524 --> 00:22:00,819         Ritchie was an isolator,              and this is in the days       474 00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:02,904            where there was no                 separate dressing rooms.      475 00:22:02,946 --> 00:22:05,115               Well, he had                     his own dressing room.       476 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:07,576               He stayed at                  different hotels, basically.    477 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:11,246           And he never partook                in any group endeavors.       478 00:22:11,288 --> 00:22:17,002    No after dinner parties, no...                     No.                 479 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:19,504                                   480 00:22:19,546 --> 00:22:21,631          Blackmore left Purple        481 00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:24,509        because they were going             in a more funk direction.      482 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:27,512                                   483 00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:32,017         [Ritchie]   I was going                  to leave Deep Purple        484 00:22:32,059 --> 00:22:34,603  no matter what because I didn't           respect that type of music     485 00:22:34,644 --> 00:22:36,313        that we were getting into,     486 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:38,523      but luckily at the same time,                 I met Ronnie.            487 00:22:38,565 --> 00:22:40,776         Ritchie and I really had      488 00:22:40,817 --> 00:22:42,694              the same kind                      of musical feelings.        489 00:22:42,736 --> 00:22:44,863           We were engrossed in              the classical kind of music,    490 00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:47,032             Bach especially.          491 00:22:47,074 --> 00:22:49,701      And we felt that there was             a great place in music        492 00:22:49,743 --> 00:22:54,081           to kind of revive               that mystical, magical aura     493 00:22:54,122 --> 00:22:57,709            and put it into               today's kind of, uh, context.    494 00:22:57,751 --> 00:23:00,087         [Glenn]   Ritchie left               and went to start, you know,    495 00:23:00,128 --> 00:23:02,589         putting Rainbow together               with the guys in Elf,        496 00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:04,091          you know, pretty much.       497 00:23:04,132 --> 00:23:05,884  By the time Rainbow gets going,    498 00:23:05,926 --> 00:23:08,011      you got the Mount Rushmore                 of heavy rock--           499 00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:12,140        Purple, Sabbath, Zeppelin.     500 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:15,310          All of them shared                  a common denominator         501 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:17,979      in the sense that they were          all coming from the blues.      502 00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:21,316             Ronnie James Dio                and Ritchie Blackmore wanted    503 00:23:21,358 --> 00:23:25,862         to explore this kind of            neoclassical heavy rock music    504 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:28,907      that is something way beyond,    505 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:32,702           so Rainbow is taking             this spaceship to a new place.  506 00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:34,955           [rocket roaring]           507 00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:42,504              As a teenager,                I came from an abusive family,  508 00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:44,423  physically and verbally abusive,  509 00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:48,760        in and out of hospitals        and stitches and, um, surgeries.  510 00:23:48,802 --> 00:23:51,930              So, music was                   extremely important to me      511 00:23:51,972 --> 00:23:53,974          because I had no one.        512 00:23:54,015 --> 00:23:58,937        I remember I was in a car.      Deep Purple had just broken up.    513 00:23:58,979 --> 00:24:01,815            Disco was starting                    to make its scene.         514 00:24:01,857 --> 00:24:04,776        The world was upside down.     515 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:06,236  [radio static, rock music plays]  516 00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,405           And all of a sudden,        517 00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,323       "Men on the Silver Mountain"              comes on the radio.         518 00:24:10,365 --> 00:24:12,451        And I was like, "Yeah!"       519 00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:13,702               You know,                    you're just all fired up.      520 00:24:13,743 --> 00:24:16,079       Ritchie Blackmore was back.     521 00:24:16,121 --> 00:24:18,915           Then, I first heard                Ronnie James Dio's voice,      522 00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:21,668            and I was like,                  "Who the hell is that?"       523 00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:24,379       And the man on the silver     524 00:24:24,421 --> 00:24:28,967                Mountain             525 00:24:29,009 --> 00:24:30,135                                    526 00:24:30,177 --> 00:24:32,387       He was like a whole universe    527 00:24:32,429 --> 00:24:34,306          that was concealed                     within one man.           528 00:24:34,347 --> 00:24:37,309                                   529 00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:48,737           And so at one point,               the world was upside down,     530 00:24:48,778 --> 00:24:50,655             and it turned it                    right side up again.        531 00:24:50,697 --> 00:24:53,158            [Mick] This is not                 just another rock band.       532 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,660           It's gonna take what              we used to call "heavy rock"    533 00:24:55,702 --> 00:25:00,499         into a whole vista that            really hasn't existed before.    534 00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:03,919              And it was all                      about this dynamic         535 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,671                 between                      this incredible guitarist      536 00:25:06,713 --> 00:25:08,465      and this extraordinary singer    537 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:11,176               that almost                  everybody had never heard of.    538 00:25:11,218 --> 00:25:14,804          I remember going to                Munich to do an album,        539 00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:16,515             and Ritchie was                     in the same studio.         540 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:18,433               And he said,                 "Oh, I gotta play you a song."  541 00:25:18,475 --> 00:25:21,102       "Stargazer," full blast.       542 00:25:21,144 --> 00:25:23,396               High noon             543 00:25:23,438 --> 00:25:26,983  Oh, I'd sell my soul for water  544 00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:30,278           I was blown away.              That was like a masterpiece.     545 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:36,201           Ronnie sang about                 mystical, magical stars       546 00:25:36,243 --> 00:25:38,161       and universe and dreams.       547 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:41,081                                   548 00:25:47,837 --> 00:25:50,048       [Ronnie]   That's what I do           with my music. I'm a narrator.  549 00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:52,717          I give people avenues                which they can go down.       550 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,553              Safe avenues.            551 00:25:54,594 --> 00:25:57,556                                    552 00:25:59,516 --> 00:26:01,434             I don't shove it                    down their throats.         553 00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:03,270           They're your dreams                    to try to attain.          554 00:26:03,311 --> 00:26:05,021            I don't tell them                 this is what they must do.     555 00:26:05,063 --> 00:26:07,023       So, a narrator is what I am.    556 00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:11,069        In the "Runaways" days,            I would put on "Stargazer."     557 00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:13,905          All my dreams and all                my hopes would come out.      558 00:26:13,947 --> 00:26:16,616      That gave me all the strength    559 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:18,118            and all the power                       I ever needed            560 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,245       in guitar playing and music     561 00:26:20,287 --> 00:26:22,831      and just my everyday shit.      562 00:26:22,872 --> 00:26:26,042            Even though Ronnie                 could really sing blues       563 00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:27,877             if he wanted to,          564 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:32,924        lyrically, he was never             the victim in his lyrics.      565 00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:35,927        It was more of a sage.        566 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:40,056  You can see, but you're blind    567 00:26:40,098 --> 00:26:43,184      Someone turn the sun around    568 00:26:43,226 --> 00:26:46,730  What you can see in your mind    569 00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:50,775          The gates of Babylon       570 00:26:50,817 --> 00:26:53,445        [Ronnie]   And the things             we wrote were so different.     571 00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:57,073       That was the band, you know,           I wanted to be in forever.     572 00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:59,618         That was my chance to do               what I was born to do,       573 00:26:59,659 --> 00:27:01,745            which is to write                    classically oriented        574 00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:03,204          fantasy kind of music.       575 00:27:03,246 --> 00:27:05,915         [Mick]   Ronnie was now                    firmly embedded           576 00:27:05,957 --> 00:27:09,878             into the gothic                and medieval rock of Rainbow.    577 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,881          He'd found his niche.             He'd found his new character.    578 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:19,262           Well, here we are--         579 00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:21,598                the famous                      Rainbow Bar and Grill.       580 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,683     Uh, land of fruits and nuts,     581 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,560         and, uh, they always                   used to say that.          582 00:27:25,602 --> 00:27:28,438       Moving and, uh, it was--       583 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,984       it still is the place to be                 on Sunset Strip.          584 00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:36,655          I came to Los Angeles                     in around '74.           585 00:27:36,696 --> 00:27:39,449      I got a job in a--in a diner,    586 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,284           and then I was doing                a little bit of acting.       587 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,203             I didn't mean to                    do acting, actually.        588 00:27:43,244 --> 00:27:44,996       Uh, I went with a girlfriend                    of mine,              589 00:27:45,038 --> 00:27:47,499      and we went there, uh, as, um,  590 00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:48,291    stand-in, what do you call it?                    Uh...                591 00:27:48,333 --> 00:27:49,918          [producer] Extras?          592 00:27:49,959 --> 00:27:51,503                Extras.                    Yeah, we went in as extras.     593 00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,339          It was a movie called                  Death Race 2000.           594 00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:57,008      And this guy that I had to rub  595 00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:59,010         his shoulders and stuff,               he was telling me that       596 00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:02,639      he had written a movie and it            was gonna be a big time.      597 00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,432              And I thought,                "Yeah, yeah, right, whatever."  598 00:28:04,474 --> 00:28:06,976          It actually turned out              to be Sylvester Stallone.      599 00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:08,937             You schmuck.             600 00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:12,232       And then, I met a-a girl             at a party and she said,       601 00:28:12,273 --> 00:28:14,359         "Well, why don't you              get a job at The Rainbow?"      602 00:28:14,401 --> 00:28:18,738       jazz piano instrumental      603 00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:20,573        We had everyone in here--      604 00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:23,201              Led Zeppelin,                     Deep Purple, The Who.        605 00:28:23,243 --> 00:28:25,495        Anyone you could possibly               think of was in here.        606 00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:28,957                                    607 00:28:28,998 --> 00:28:32,460           So this is the table                 where it all happened.       608 00:28:32,502 --> 00:28:35,130              This is where             I met Ronnie, uh, with Ritchie,    609 00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:37,507           and he introduced me                       to Ronnie.             610 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:39,634        And they invited me to go               to a party afterwards        611 00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,011            up at their house,                 and so I went up there.       612 00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:46,433           We talked, and, uh,                followed me around a lot.      613 00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:48,727                I said,                     "He's too short for me."       614 00:28:48,768 --> 00:28:51,271      But then he talked to me more,  615 00:28:51,312 --> 00:28:54,149       and we talked on the phone,             and Ronnie being Ronnie,      616 00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:57,652       he's a very personal person,             he was so interesting        617 00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:01,406  and such a very wonderful person  618 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:04,200       who loved animals as I did.     619 00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:08,163       He love to talk about books,            movies, uh, everything.       620 00:29:08,204 --> 00:29:10,123          I think I fell in love              with his brain, actually,      621 00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:12,917           and the way he was,                    his graciousness.          622 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:18,923         You felt the same way       623 00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:22,594             And then he went                   on tour with Rainbow.        624 00:29:22,635 --> 00:29:24,888           And then he asked me              to go on the road with him.     625 00:29:24,929 --> 00:29:27,849          I'd only known him for               a few weeks, and I said,      626 00:29:27,891 --> 00:29:29,476        "No, I can't quit my job.      627 00:29:29,517 --> 00:29:31,936                "I'll come                      for a couple of days,"       628 00:29:31,978 --> 00:29:33,563              which ended up                  being a couple of months,      629 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:35,523           which ended up being                for the rest of my life.      630 00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:40,111                                    631 00:29:40,153 --> 00:29:44,449       melancholy instrumental      632 00:29:44,491 --> 00:29:48,286         We were both young when            we were experiencing the road.  633 00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:49,913       And it was fun for a while,     634 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:53,041             and then it got                     a little bit tense.         635 00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:55,210      Rainbow are enormous in Japan.  636 00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:57,712       Rainbow are bigger in Japan                 than The Stones.          637 00:29:57,754 --> 00:30:00,715             Rainbow are huge                   in Britain and Europe.       638 00:30:00,757 --> 00:30:04,302  Rainbow are not huge in America.  639 00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:08,723               In America,                     Rainbow never got there       640 00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,809        with Ronnie as the singer,     641 00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:14,229      and I know that that bothered            Blackmore tremendously.       642 00:30:14,270 --> 00:30:16,648           And he was consumed         643 00:30:16,689 --> 00:30:19,776         with getting Rainbow                    on U.S. radio.            644 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,487      [Mick]   Long Live Rock 'n' Roll        was the last Rainbow album.     645 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:24,405            They're working on               the next one, early stages.     646 00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,492            Ritchie decided                 it was time to get a hit.      647 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:29,953           I was staying at                  Bruce's house one day.        648 00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:32,455         And he played me a song,             "Since You've Been Gone."      649 00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:36,000         Since you've been gone,              since you've been gone       650 00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:39,796           I'm out of my head,                     can't take it           651 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:42,173               He said,                  "Well, Ritchie wants to do it."  652 00:30:42,215 --> 00:30:44,300       I said, "Get outta here.       653 00:30:44,342 --> 00:30:47,011               "After...                     after what he's done?"        654 00:30:47,053 --> 00:30:48,471         You know, especially                 with Rainbow rising,         655 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,390     how could he want to do this?    656 00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:07,490         You know, Ronnie spent,                      you know,              657 00:31:07,532 --> 00:31:10,535          the first 10, 15 years                    of his career            658 00:31:10,577 --> 00:31:14,038            putting on a suit,                looking for the hit song.      659 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,331           You know, this is               something he'd left behind      660 00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:17,041            many years ago            661 00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:21,212       and believed that the unique            selling point of Rainbow      662 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:25,008          had nothing to do with             "Since You Been Gone, Baby."    663 00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:26,509         And Ronnie spoke up.         664 00:31:26,551 --> 00:31:28,511                [Lita]                       He stayed true to himself,     665 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:32,473          and I think it really                pissed off a few people.      666 00:31:32,515 --> 00:31:34,392      [Wendy]   It got very tense,      667 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,645              and so Ronnie                      was actually fired.         668 00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:41,941         Since you've been gone,              since you've been gone       669 00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:45,695           I'm out of my head,                     can't take it           670 00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:48,448       [Eddie]   That was the time      671 00:31:48,489 --> 00:31:51,200              where Rainbow                  did get airplay in America.     672 00:31:51,242 --> 00:31:54,621          It wasn't with Ronnie.       673 00:31:54,662 --> 00:31:58,541  For Ronnie on a personal level,               it was a disaster.         674 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:01,127  He and Wendy were in a situation  675 00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:03,379      where the house they lived in,  676 00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:05,423                you know,                       was owned by the band.       677 00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:08,176            Uh, Ronnie didn't                  even see any royalties.       678 00:32:08,217 --> 00:32:10,929            This is a guy who                co-wrote all the big songs.     679 00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:13,473            Ronnie didn't get                 any royalties from Rainbow     680 00:32:13,514 --> 00:32:15,934         until after he died.         681 00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:18,770          So they had no money.        682 00:32:18,811 --> 00:32:21,773           You know, Ronnie was                a very, very proud, man.      683 00:32:21,814 --> 00:32:24,233         He didn't want to admit             that he'd been hurt by this.    684 00:32:24,275 --> 00:32:28,112         He didn't want to admit              that maybe he'd blown it.      685 00:32:28,154 --> 00:32:31,115                                    686 00:32:35,161 --> 00:32:40,083       [playing "Never Say Die"]      687 00:32:40,124 --> 00:32:44,087      I was a young Sabbath fan.               I remember watching         688 00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:46,297     Don Kirshner's rock concerts,               seeing them do,           689 00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:49,133         "Never Say Die" live                 without lip syncing.         690 00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:53,304     [vocalizing, voice cracking]     691 00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:55,974         You could tell that Ozzy            was sounding a little rough     692 00:32:56,015 --> 00:33:00,269             and kind of just                  doing that penguin clap,      693 00:33:00,311 --> 00:33:02,647                you know,                     just running around, just,     694 00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:04,941         looks like a wind-up toy                   after a while.           695 00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:07,860             Black Sabbath is                pretty much yesterday's news    696 00:33:07,902 --> 00:33:09,946            in the late '70s.          697 00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:12,115      The original Black Sabbath      698 00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:13,825     is some of the greatest metal                 ever made.              699 00:33:13,866 --> 00:33:15,785      No one was disputing that.      700 00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:17,662            But at that point,               ten years into the business,    701 00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:20,206          coming off of a couple                 lackluster records,         702 00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:23,501          beat up from the road,             it was a mess at that time.     703 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:28,172      Things weren't working out         at the end of the '70s for us.    704 00:33:28,214 --> 00:33:31,009        I think it was probably            a lot of different things.      705 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:33,177                Disarray.                      Maybe "disillusionment"       706 00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:35,179         might be a better word.       707 00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:37,473             We'd been in                 rock 'n' roll for years, man.    708 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:40,101          [Eddie]   All of them                 were very badly riddled       709 00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:41,936           with drug problems.         710 00:33:41,978 --> 00:33:44,772        Ozzy was considered, like,           a huge mess and can't sing,     711 00:33:44,814 --> 00:33:46,357       can't write, can't do this.     712 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,860         He was just a crazy dude                  from Birmingham,          713 00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:50,778       like a juvenile delinquent.     714 00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:52,363     He was never a professional,     715 00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:53,781            and that's what                   was great about him.         716 00:33:53,823 --> 00:33:56,242       And Ozzy's a sweetheart.                 We all know that.          717 00:33:56,284 --> 00:33:59,495        But he--he was crazy in--                    in the '70s.            718 00:33:59,537 --> 00:34:01,247                 I mean,                      one night at the Rainbow,      719 00:34:01,289 --> 00:34:04,000          he set himself on fire              at a booth in the Rainbow.     720 00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:07,170      Fire extinguisher came out.              He could have died.         721 00:34:07,211 --> 00:34:08,963      He's laughing his ass off.      722 00:34:09,005 --> 00:34:11,382          [Mick]   And--And Oz,                 he came to such a place.      723 00:34:11,424 --> 00:34:13,551           He needed to leave.         724 00:34:13,593 --> 00:34:18,222               Ozzy leaves,                 and everybody was just like...  725 00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:22,643         "Okay, so that's it,                     they're done.            726 00:34:22,685 --> 00:34:25,021      "Black Sabbath is just done."    727 00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:29,025                                    728 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:34,238                [Mick]                      So, by the end of the '70s,     729 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,741             Ronnie and Wendy                     take off for L.A.          730 00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:39,911             Ronnie would not                   go down the, you know,       731 00:34:39,952 --> 00:34:43,081               "Hey, baby,                    let's have a hit," route.      732 00:34:43,122 --> 00:34:45,833         He's already in his 30s.      733 00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:49,253         He's already been around             the block a zillion times.     734 00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:51,422           He's got no career.         735 00:34:51,464 --> 00:34:53,925  I mean, you know, "What the fuck             am I gonna do?"           736 00:34:53,966 --> 00:34:57,887          rock instrumental         737 00:34:57,929 --> 00:34:59,347             But the Rainbow                      seems to have been         738 00:34:59,388 --> 00:35:01,057       such a lucky place for him.     739 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:05,895                You know,                   he meets Wendy in the Rainbow.  740 00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:08,689          And now who does he            meet in the Rainbow one night?    741 00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:11,484      Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath.  742 00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:16,948    Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath,          who has just sacked Ozzy.      743 00:35:16,989 --> 00:35:20,618                                   744 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:26,624        [Ronnie]   At the Rainbow              Bar and Grill, I met Tony.     745 00:35:26,666 --> 00:35:28,793            Saw him and I went                 to the rehearsal place.       746 00:35:28,835 --> 00:35:31,254           I only went up there                 just to say, "Hello."        747 00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:33,131       He came over to the house      748 00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:37,802         and, um, I played him                 a bit of the stuff,         749 00:35:37,844 --> 00:35:39,637       some of the riffs I got.       750 00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,473      And, uh, he said, "Oh, let me              have a go at that."         751 00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,559         [Ronnie]   Went off to                 the other room and wrote      752 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,561              the beginning                 and a verse to a song called,    753 00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:48,229           "Children the Sea."         754 00:35:48,271 --> 00:35:51,566          In the misty morning       755 00:35:51,607 --> 00:35:55,319          On the edge of time        756 00:35:55,361 --> 00:35:58,656         We lost the rising sun      757 00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:01,784            The fire inside          758 00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:03,995       He'd walk out and just sing.    759 00:36:04,036 --> 00:36:05,621                You know,                     this voice would come out.     760 00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:08,541         I mean, he was just,                you know, unbelievable.       761 00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:10,751              When he first                      got offered the job         762 00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,628      in Black Sabbath, he was like,  763 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:14,630             "I don't know if                 I like this music or not."     764 00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:16,299         And I said, "We have                $800 left in the bank.        765 00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:17,842         You love this music."        766 00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:22,054                                   767 00:36:22,096 --> 00:36:24,640          And so he... [laughs]        768 00:36:24,682 --> 00:36:26,976           he joined the band,                and he did love the music.     769 00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:29,437           [Ronnie]   This was               going into a band that to me,    770 00:36:29,478 --> 00:36:31,314      had been   the   heavy metal band,  771 00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:34,859            a band that didn't              apologize for coming to town.    772 00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:36,903       It just stepped on buildings             when it came to town.        773 00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:39,739  And to be included in that band            was very special to me.       774 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:43,284  Takin' over for Ozzy in Sabbath?  775 00:36:43,326 --> 00:36:46,662     Can you imagine the pressure?    776 00:36:46,704 --> 00:36:48,706       To replace a singer is...             [chuckles] really a...        777 00:36:48,748 --> 00:36:50,708         It can go either way.        778 00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:53,211       And then putting in Ronnie,             in a tough spot, really.      779 00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:55,046       [Ronnie]   You know, again,            I'm a very positive person.     780 00:36:55,087 --> 00:36:56,547             I said to them,           781 00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:58,049         "They're never gonna say              anything bad about you.       782 00:36:58,090 --> 00:36:58,966            They're only gonna                    say something bad          783 00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,843      about the new guy who came in.  784 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,553             And my shoulders                 are big enough to take it.     785 00:37:02,595 --> 00:37:03,930      You know what we'll do? We're         gonna write some great songs.    786 00:37:03,971 --> 00:37:05,806          Don't worry about it.                 I'll take care of it."       787 00:37:05,848 --> 00:37:08,142      At this point, I'm working              for the biggest, uh,         788 00:37:08,184 --> 00:37:11,896         rock and heavy metal               P.R. company in the U.K.       789 00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:15,983        Suddenly, it comes 'round,            "Sabbath have sacked Ozzy,     790 00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:18,152         but they're gonna bring                Ronnie James Dio in."        791 00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:19,820              And there was                       a lot of blowback.         792 00:37:19,862 --> 00:37:21,948              "Where's Ozzy?                   This guy can't be Ozzy."      793 00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:24,116       From the outside looking in,    794 00:37:24,158 --> 00:37:25,785      it doesn't sound promising.     795 00:37:25,826 --> 00:37:27,995               [laughs]                   It does not sound promising.     796 00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:33,084        They had to rise above                 and create an album         797 00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:36,128      that was far above anything     798 00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:38,089             that they had                      done in the past.          799 00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:40,967        mystical instrumental       800 00:37:43,886 --> 00:37:46,222        You could think it's good,             you could think it's bad      801 00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:48,432            but you don't know              until the audience, the fans,    802 00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:51,560       they're going to tell you              if it's good or not.         803 00:37:51,602 --> 00:37:54,939             As a fan, you're                 established to the singer,     804 00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:56,440  the drummer, the guitar player,                   whoever--              805 00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:58,276             that's the band.          806 00:37:58,317 --> 00:38:00,111         And if there's something                 that's different,          807 00:38:00,152 --> 00:38:02,280        what's going on, you know?     808 00:38:02,321 --> 00:38:04,949        Is it even gonna work?              Is it even gonna connect?      809 00:38:04,991 --> 00:38:07,410        Now, of course, there's          always gonna be a lot of, like,  810 00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:10,288        die-hard Sabbath followers                  who are like,            811 00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:15,209       "No, there's only one singer               of Black Sabbath."         812 00:38:15,251 --> 00:38:19,380        And then, all of a sudden,           here comes Ronnie James Dio.    813 00:38:19,422 --> 00:38:23,217              [explosion]             814 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:27,471    [Glenn]   I think it's a creation       that happened many realms ago    815 00:38:27,513 --> 00:38:30,433           that Ronnie would be                 the singer in Sabbath.       816 00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:33,269  It's all been written in stone.    817 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:34,603             [thunderclap]            818 00:38:34,645 --> 00:38:36,522       He was supposed to be there.    819 00:38:36,564 --> 00:38:38,607  He was supposed to replace Ozzy.  820 00:38:38,649 --> 00:38:41,068             He was supposed                   to take that microphone.      821 00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:43,904       He was supposed to write                "Heaven and Hell."          822 00:38:43,946 --> 00:38:46,699                                   823 00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:58,794        When it actually starts to          blast out through the speakers  824 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:02,923    and it's like, "Well, let's see     what you got, dude." You know?    825 00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:07,845                                   826 00:39:07,887 --> 00:39:10,473             Sing me a song          827 00:39:10,514 --> 00:39:14,060            You're a singer          828 00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:18,522             Do me a wrong,                  you're a bringer of evil      829 00:39:18,564 --> 00:39:20,775            The devil is...          830 00:39:20,816 --> 00:39:23,027        And then when everybody          had saw what Ronnie had got...    831 00:39:23,069 --> 00:39:25,321      [laughs] it's like, "Okay."     832 00:39:25,363 --> 00:39:29,033       So, it's on and on and on     833 00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:32,661          It's heaven and hell       834 00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:35,289           There was just like,                  this is what I have         835 00:39:35,331 --> 00:39:39,168      always wanted to hear were           those Black Sabbath riffs,      836 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:41,420         with Ronnie's voice.         837 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:45,383        It goes on and on and on     838 00:39:45,424 --> 00:39:49,345            Heaven and hell          839 00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:54,266               I can tell            840 00:39:54,308 --> 00:39:56,644                                   841 00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:58,646    Everything about it was great.    842 00:39:58,687 --> 00:40:00,940       I mean, "Heaven and Hell"             is probably to this day       843 00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:02,858      my favorite Sabbath record.     844 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,903        It's a masterpiece in--          in a lot of--in a lot of ways.    845 00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,656           And it's a very,                  very important record.        846 00:40:08,697 --> 00:40:12,201     One of the best albums ever.                    Period.               847 00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:15,162                                   848 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:22,336       Ronnie was a big dreamer,      849 00:40:22,378 --> 00:40:25,172         but he wasn't afraid                     to tell you,             850 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:28,092         if you're gonna fall,              you can't be frightened.       851 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:30,219         You've got to get up                   and do it again.           852 00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:31,887               [Ronnie]                    I made the statement that was,  853 00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:33,931                that I've                       always wanted to make,       854 00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:35,766          which was, "The world              is full of kings and queens     855 00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:37,309           who blind your eyes                  and steal your dreams.       856 00:40:37,351 --> 00:40:39,603               And that all                   means they're your dreams.     857 00:40:39,645 --> 00:40:41,105        If you have those dreams,      858 00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:42,398                don't let                      anyone rob you of those,      859 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,941         those wonderful ideas."       860 00:40:43,983 --> 00:40:45,609              That statement                      has been something         861 00:40:45,651 --> 00:40:47,820            that I've tried to                  live with in my life.        862 00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:50,823                                   863 00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:58,914           [birds chirping]           864 00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:03,002           This is Ronnie's                 very iconic white blouse.      865 00:41:03,043 --> 00:41:04,962      He wore this when he was--      866 00:41:05,004 --> 00:41:07,631            the first round               of Black Sabbath in the '80s.    867 00:41:07,673 --> 00:41:09,633    He loved this shirt. He loved--  868 00:41:09,675 --> 00:41:12,136      always loved these sleeves,            these medieval sleeves.       869 00:41:12,178 --> 00:41:15,973      [Glenn]   Going into Sabbath                  with the sleeves          870 00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:18,642              and the drama,           871 00:41:18,684 --> 00:41:23,898  he was able to captivate people           with an amazing presence.      872 00:41:23,939 --> 00:41:25,566          [Tony]   Well, yeah,                it did become more mystical.    873 00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:27,401             And we built up                       the stage show,           874 00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:29,153  basically around the image of--    875 00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:33,824           uh, he had got this                theatrical way about him.      876 00:41:33,866 --> 00:41:36,076       I was always a little bit              intimidated by Ronnie        877 00:41:36,118 --> 00:41:37,828      because of not only his voice,  878 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:39,955           but everything else                       around him.             879 00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:42,333         He projected something,                      you know.              880 00:41:42,374 --> 00:41:44,668        "Oh, my God, there's Dio?"     881 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:47,046          But on those occasions               that we did get a chance      882 00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:49,840             to sit and talk,               he was just a very comforting,  883 00:41:49,882 --> 00:41:53,677         welcoming kind of a guy                   in every aspect.          884 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,138      Every time I was with him,                   we'd laugh.             885 00:41:56,180 --> 00:42:00,559            - [can clanks]             - We would laugh our asses off.    886 00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:03,437            Clownish behavior,                    boyish, you know?          887 00:42:03,479 --> 00:42:05,648           [water trickling]          888 00:42:05,689 --> 00:42:07,191          [blender whirring]          889 00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:11,278         And that--that behavior                  was very rampant.          890 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,697           He was just Ronnie.                   He was just mellow.         891 00:42:13,739 --> 00:42:17,201            But when he sang,                   he became a character.       892 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:19,203               'Cause Dio,                   not Ronnie and Ronnie James,    893 00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:22,706       Dio was a huge character.      894 00:42:22,748 --> 00:42:25,960        [vocalizing soulfully]        895 00:42:26,001 --> 00:42:29,713                                   896 00:42:29,755 --> 00:42:32,299        [continues vocalizing]        897 00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:35,052       Ozzy Osbourne, obviously,              was there before me,         898 00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:37,888       was throwing the peace sign                around everywhere.         899 00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:39,974          I felt something else                     was, you know,           900 00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:41,517     was needed to incorporate me     901 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,727           into my own thing                     with that band.           902 00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:45,980           [Mick]   You know,                 I worked with Dio in Sabbath    903 00:42:46,021 --> 00:42:47,398            as his publicist.          904 00:42:47,439 --> 00:42:49,275       And I'll never forget this.     905 00:42:49,316 --> 00:42:51,277               Ronnie said,                 "I-I thought about this thing,  906 00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:54,738         and I think it could be            a bridge between Ozzy and me."  907 00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:57,241             And he said,                 "What do you think of this?"     908 00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:59,577        I said, "What's that?"        909 00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:03,455                 He goes,                   "I'm thinking, it's like Ozzy,  910 00:43:03,497 --> 00:43:05,457      spirit of Ozzy is still here.    911 00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:09,086       This is still Black Sabbath,               but it's me now."          912 00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:12,381            - [thunderclap]                - I went, "That's brilliant."    913 00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:14,592             It was iconic as                    soon as you saw it.         914 00:43:14,633 --> 00:43:17,219        Even if you didn't know           what it meant, it was iconic.    915 00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:19,430             What's he doing?          916 00:43:19,471 --> 00:43:22,057     [Dave]   It became a trademark          for him, you know, to do that.  917 00:43:22,099 --> 00:43:24,602            And--And the fans,               you know, attached to that.     918 00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:26,770       Now, in a situation which is           not even involving metal,      919 00:43:26,812 --> 00:43:30,566            you see crowds,                  and they're like, "Ah."       920 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:32,901          I mean, even today,                  you go on Facebook,         921 00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:35,946      and there's all these kind           of middle-aged women going,     922 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:38,240      When you see somebody do that,  923 00:43:38,282 --> 00:43:40,117            you know where it                    came from, you know,        924 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:41,785           who originated that.        925 00:43:41,827 --> 00:43:43,871           People think this                     means something           926 00:43:43,912 --> 00:43:46,081     other than what it really is.    927 00:43:46,123 --> 00:43:49,126         If you'd all join us,            I'll tell you what it means.     928 00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:50,919         Ronnie who'd always,         929 00:43:50,961 --> 00:43:52,630           he'd grown up in              the Italian family, of course,    930 00:43:52,671 --> 00:43:54,423           would walk around                  with his grandmother.        931 00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:56,467          And his grandmother                was very superstitious        932 00:43:56,508 --> 00:43:58,636       and she would walk around                going like this,           933 00:43:58,677 --> 00:44:01,472           to ward off evil                   or give the evil eye         934 00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:04,224       or ward the evil eye off,         which is called the   malocchio.    935 00:44:04,266 --> 00:44:06,477         So, this, what we now                call the devil horns,        936 00:44:06,518 --> 00:44:09,146        that is Ronnie James Dio,              and it was out something      937 00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:12,566      his fierce-looking grandmother                used to do.             938 00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:16,070         It means, "Long live              rock 'n' roll." Put 'em up!     939 00:44:16,111 --> 00:44:18,614           [crowd cheering]           940 00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:22,159              And suddenly,                   by the end of every show,      941 00:44:22,201 --> 00:44:24,620            the whole audience                    was doing it back.         942 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:26,455            And again, it was               another one of those moments,    943 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:28,916           I thought, "This is                  interesting shit here.       944 00:44:28,957 --> 00:44:31,168                You know,                    this is really interesting.     945 00:44:31,210 --> 00:44:35,673           He's gonna work this              until it is just his band."     946 00:44:35,714 --> 00:44:39,343    And that's exactly what he did.  947 00:44:39,385 --> 00:44:43,514            So come with me,                 I'll give you the desire      948 00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:47,601               But first,                    you're gonna burn in fire     949 00:44:47,643 --> 00:44:49,311           [crowd cheering]           950 00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:51,021                The rest,                      as they say, is history.      951 00:44:51,063 --> 00:44:52,189  I mean, I'm not the only person         who's ever used it, of course,  952 00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:53,691         but you know, I must say      953 00:44:53,732 --> 00:44:55,526              that I've been                  the one who's used it most     954 00:44:55,567 --> 00:44:57,486               and probably                   the most known for it now.     955 00:44:57,528 --> 00:45:00,155            It's only meant as                 a, you know, connection       956 00:45:00,197 --> 00:45:01,990          between the--the music                    that we play,            957 00:45:02,032 --> 00:45:04,326         which is hard and heavy                and pretty damn evil.        958 00:45:04,368 --> 00:45:08,789          So, uh, that's what               that's all about, anyway.      959 00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:12,626             The whole thing                    was difficult for me.        960 00:45:12,668 --> 00:45:15,295           And Ronnie knew that                       I was, um,             961 00:45:15,337 --> 00:45:18,674         feeling uncomfortable                with certain things.         962 00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:21,135           I really missed Oz.         963 00:45:21,176 --> 00:45:23,053               I felt like                     I'd lost a best friend.       964 00:45:23,095 --> 00:45:25,806       And so I was grieving there,    965 00:45:25,848 --> 00:45:28,559             and my drinking                       had accelerated.          966 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,354              And that plays                 a huge part in my departure     967 00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:34,022           from Black Sabbath.         968 00:45:34,064 --> 00:45:36,483              But Ronnie was                    supportive towards me        969 00:45:36,525 --> 00:45:39,903     as a--as a person throughout.    970 00:45:39,945 --> 00:45:43,657              So, that's how                     I first met Ronnie,         971 00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:45,409      and we hit it off right away.    972 00:45:45,451 --> 00:45:47,661     He's from upstate New York--                   Cortland.              973 00:45:47,703 --> 00:45:49,246  And I'm from Brooklyn, New York.  974 00:45:49,288 --> 00:45:51,749        And, uh, Tony and Geezer--     975 00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:53,917                I couldn't                    understand them very well.     976 00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:55,919           I was pretty young,         977 00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:57,421          and they were kind of                     scary-looking            978 00:45:57,463 --> 00:46:02,259         with the mustaches and,        you know, "These are the guys."    979 00:46:02,301 --> 00:46:03,927     And they talk to me and I go,    980 00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:06,096     "Ronnie, what did they say?"     981 00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:08,307        I'd keep asking Ronnie,       982 00:46:08,348 --> 00:46:12,519            "What'd he say?              What does that mean? "Blimey"?"  983 00:46:12,561 --> 00:46:15,731                                   984 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:18,358          So Sabbath follows                      Heaven and Hell           985 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,402            with   Mob Rules.           986 00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:22,821                Mob Rules                   is an unbelievable record.      987 00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:25,908     "Sign of the Southern Cross."              Look at my arms.           988 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:29,578         Just saying the name             of the song does this to me.     989 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:31,955              It's the sign                    of the Southern cross       990 00:46:31,997 --> 00:46:35,250                                    991 00:46:35,292 --> 00:46:39,880              It's the sign                    of the Southern cross       992 00:46:39,922 --> 00:46:41,757              All right!              993 00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,400                [Vinny]                        We finished   Mob Rules,       994 00:47:00,442 --> 00:47:03,570         the tour was fantastic,             so everything's going great.    995 00:47:03,612 --> 00:47:07,574                  Then,                      I don't know what happened,     996 00:47:07,616 --> 00:47:10,869       but it's business between            those guys, three of 'em.      997 00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:13,622            A lot of times                  success breeds problems,       998 00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:15,749          and that happened.          999 00:47:15,791 --> 00:47:17,209          I-I felt that that                   really did happen,          1000 00:47:17,251 --> 00:47:18,961    that, uh, all of the bad things  1001 00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:24,758       that--that could be used               were used, you know,         1002 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,388            from drug abuse                   to, um, mental abuse.        1003 00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:31,640      I'm not sure what happened.     1004 00:47:31,682 --> 00:47:35,394             It was, uh...               I mean, we were all, uh, doing    1005 00:47:35,435 --> 00:47:38,689              quite a bit                  of nose powder at the time.     1006 00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:41,984      This is the era of cocaine.        Everybody in the music business  1007 00:47:42,025 --> 00:47:45,904      is doing too much cocaine,           but not at all, Ronnie Dio.     1008 00:47:45,946 --> 00:47:51,201      That was--It was never--never          his thing, and they clashed.    1009 00:47:51,243 --> 00:47:54,204                                   1010 00:48:02,421 --> 00:48:04,089             You know, sorry.          1011 00:48:04,131 --> 00:48:07,050                                    1012 00:48:21,648 --> 00:48:26,528     It--It got difficult for him              behind the scenes.          1013 00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:29,531        Egos getting involved.        1014 00:48:29,573 --> 00:48:32,034          [Vinny]   We recorded                   the   Live Evil   album,        1015 00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:35,704      and the mixing of that record               became a problem.          1016 00:48:35,746 --> 00:48:37,414                When we're                      doing the   Live   album,        1017 00:48:37,456 --> 00:48:41,668         he did get sort of...                 upset about things.         1018 00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:43,545            Ronnie could be                   fierce, very fierce.         1019 00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:47,341              He cared about                     every single detail.        1020 00:48:47,382 --> 00:48:49,217           I've heard a lot                   of rumors, you know,         1021 00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:50,385       that I'm a control freak                   and you know,            1022 00:48:50,427 --> 00:48:53,096       that, of course, led to, uh,    1023 00:48:53,138 --> 00:48:54,932            "I think we should                let Tony mix this album."      1024 00:48:54,973 --> 00:48:56,725             In other words,           1025 00:48:56,767 --> 00:48:58,602            "Your services are                  not required anymore."       1026 00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:00,354           Dio joined the band,        1027 00:49:00,395 --> 00:49:02,606          and he turned it into                 something incredible.        1028 00:49:02,648 --> 00:49:04,650            But don't forget,                   Tony's still thinking,       1029 00:49:04,691 --> 00:49:07,736       "Yeah, but I built this band                 for ten years            1030 00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:11,114          before you came along              and I offered you the gig."     1031 00:49:11,156 --> 00:49:13,951     Another gram of coke, and it          gets even worse than that.      1032 00:49:13,992 --> 00:49:17,996     Two more grams and, "I don't        even know who the fuck you are.  1033 00:49:18,038 --> 00:49:20,040        Why don't you fuck off           and back where you came from?"    1034 00:49:20,082 --> 00:49:23,168         It just got to the point      1035 00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:26,171               where Ronnie                     wasn't happy anymore.        1036 00:49:26,213 --> 00:49:28,256      It was his choice to leavem                 and he left.             1037 00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:34,221           Lonely is the word        1038 00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:36,765                  He had                        been through Rainbow,        1039 00:49:36,807 --> 00:49:40,644          and even when he found             the sweet smell of success,     1040 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:42,896       it turned sour so quick.       1041 00:49:42,938 --> 00:49:45,649        And then he does it again                   with Sabbath,            1042 00:49:45,691 --> 00:49:48,694       and it turned sour so quick.    1043 00:49:48,735 --> 00:49:51,655                                   1044 00:50:02,249 --> 00:50:04,835       [Ronnie]   You know, it was           a very traumatic time for me.    1045 00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:06,628         You don't go from being,                     you know,              1046 00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:08,171         one of the biggest bands                    in the world            1047 00:50:08,213 --> 00:50:11,091       to not having a job anymore,              and what do you do?         1048 00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:12,676                  To me,                     it's always what comes next     1049 00:50:12,718 --> 00:50:14,136         and what your ideas are,      1050 00:50:14,177 --> 00:50:16,263             how many chances                     you want to take.          1051 00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:18,682         I had no one, you know?                    So I thought,            1052 00:50:18,724 --> 00:50:20,642            "Well, better get                  off your ass and go out       1053 00:50:20,684 --> 00:50:22,477         and start writing songs                    on your own."            1054 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,521                                    1055 00:50:24,563 --> 00:50:27,315       I had a garage in the back,          and off the side of the garage  1056 00:50:27,357 --> 00:50:30,318        was this tiny little shed                   kind of thing.           1057 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,696          And so I went in there               and went to Radio Shack       1058 00:50:32,738 --> 00:50:35,365         and put all these little              boxes and plugged things      1059 00:50:35,407 --> 00:50:37,409              into my little                 reel-to-reel tape recorder,     1060 00:50:37,451 --> 00:50:41,079       and that sounded so terrible           but you know, I loved it.      1061 00:50:41,121 --> 00:50:43,415         I woke up and I went out           in that horrible little place    1062 00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:45,709             that I set up as                   a little living room.        1063 00:50:45,751 --> 00:50:47,878              I can do this.           1064 00:50:47,919 --> 00:50:50,881              And so for me,                 it was like a real genesis.     1065 00:50:50,922 --> 00:50:54,009                                   1066 00:51:03,727 --> 00:51:06,563          heavy rock music          1067 00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:08,732            I was a wife then.                   I wasn't a manager.         1068 00:51:08,774 --> 00:51:11,318         And then he said, "Okay,            so now you're managing me."     1069 00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:14,488              Oh, this is                  like, wait a minute. Um...      1070 00:51:14,529 --> 00:51:16,865        I manage your affairs,        1071 00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:19,576           but I don't know                  about managing a band,        1072 00:51:19,618 --> 00:51:22,829             but I figured if                 he's got confidence in me,     1073 00:51:22,871 --> 00:51:24,706       then I'll do the best I can.    1074 00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:26,583           In fact, I think it                  was Ritchie who said,        1075 00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:28,835          "You know, she just              wants to make him a star."      1076 00:51:28,877 --> 00:51:32,756             Yeah, I did.                    Yeah, that was my goal.       1077 00:51:32,798 --> 00:51:34,758             [bell dings]             1078 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,551    [Vinny]   One night, Ronnie goes,  1079 00:51:36,593 --> 00:51:38,428             "Look, I'm gonna                 put my own band together.      1080 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:41,389          "You want to join me?"                 I went, "Wow. Yeah."        1081 00:51:41,431 --> 00:51:43,266             [bell dings]             1082 00:51:43,308 --> 00:51:44,768         When we put it together,              it was just me and him.       1083 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:47,813            He's playing bass.                 We played "Holy Diver."       1084 00:51:47,854 --> 00:51:50,107      [Vinny mimicking bass guitar]    1085 00:51:50,148 --> 00:51:52,734            Ronnie had written                   a bunch of material,        1086 00:51:52,776 --> 00:51:56,947       and they begin the search          for the hotshot guitar player    1087 00:51:56,988 --> 00:51:58,573          which everybody had                 to have at that time.        1088 00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:01,618               [Ronnie]                        So we went to London.        1089 00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:03,662            Vinny and I went,                   going around to clubs.       1090 00:52:03,703 --> 00:52:05,914    [Vinny]   Here's a band playing.               Let's go see them.         1091 00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:08,500              We went to all                    these different clubs.       1092 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:09,960          [Ronnie]   And I knew               the kind of player I wanted.    1093 00:52:10,001 --> 00:52:11,461              I didn't like                      the style of playing        1094 00:52:11,503 --> 00:52:13,088       that American guitar players            were using at the time.       1095 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,006          They all wanted to be              as fast as Eddie Van Halen.     1096 00:52:15,048 --> 00:52:16,675       I mean, after having played           with Tony and with Ritchie,     1097 00:52:16,716 --> 00:52:17,968             I wanted someone                     who could be fast,         1098 00:52:18,009 --> 00:52:20,137         but had to have romance                     in his soul.            1099 00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:21,763         I said, "You know what?       1100 00:52:21,805 --> 00:52:23,640             "I'm gonna give                  Jimmy a call, Jimmy Bain."     1101 00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:25,225       Because of course, Jimmy had           played with me in Rainbow.     1102 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:26,143              And I thought,                      who better to know         1103 00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:27,811       guitar players than Jimmy?"     1104 00:52:27,853 --> 00:52:30,313  So the call was only to ask him           if he knew guitar players.     1105 00:52:30,355 --> 00:52:33,066      Jimmy just assumed that he was         gonna be the bass player.      1106 00:52:33,108 --> 00:52:34,609             - So, he was.                       - [bell dings]            1107 00:52:34,651 --> 00:52:38,572         [Vinny]   Jimmy called                this guitar player's house     1108 00:52:38,613 --> 00:52:41,324          at two in the morning,            a young shredder from Ireland,  1109 00:52:41,366 --> 00:52:42,993        this guy, Vivian Campbell.     1110 00:52:43,034 --> 00:52:44,828              And the thing                       that sold Ronnie,          1111 00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:47,164       we were jammin', and then            Viv was all out of things      1112 00:52:47,205 --> 00:52:49,833         to play so he played,             like, a Chuck Berry thing.      1113 00:52:49,875 --> 00:52:52,002     [Vinny mimicking guitar riff]    1114 00:52:52,043 --> 00:52:54,504     Just in this little section.                 That was it.             1115 00:52:54,546 --> 00:52:57,549    [Ronnie]   The missing ingredient            was Vivian Campbell,        1116 00:52:57,591 --> 00:52:59,384             the guitar hero.          1117 00:52:59,426 --> 00:53:01,678           So, now we've become                a family in a band, Dio.      1118 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:05,640                                    1119 00:53:05,682 --> 00:53:09,853           [birds chirping]           1120 00:53:09,895 --> 00:53:15,817            These are tapes               that I found that are, uh...     1121 00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:17,611          from the beginning.         1122 00:53:17,652 --> 00:53:20,614               You know,                   I haven't heard this stuff.     1123 00:53:20,655 --> 00:53:22,407                "Jam."                1124 00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:26,119       Let's see what's on here.      1125 00:53:26,161 --> 00:53:29,206                One, two,                         one, two, three--          1126 00:53:29,247 --> 00:53:33,293          [upbeat rock playing]        1127 00:53:33,335 --> 00:53:36,004                 Jam!                 1128 00:53:36,046 --> 00:53:37,380              So, we needed                      a place to rehearse,        1129 00:53:37,422 --> 00:53:39,883         so Ronnie got this place                called "Sound City."        1130 00:53:39,925 --> 00:53:42,719         It was like every night                   at seven o'clock          1131 00:53:42,761 --> 00:53:44,721         going to the boys club.            They let us do anything there.  1132 00:53:44,763 --> 00:53:46,556         They had candy machines.      1133 00:53:46,598 --> 00:53:48,391               We'd go in--                     "You want some candy?"       1134 00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:51,228        "Yeah." Boom-boom-boom            till all the candy fell out.     1135 00:53:51,269 --> 00:53:53,313         You know, pinball games.      1136 00:53:53,355 --> 00:53:55,899       We got to make little ramps            so you never lost a ball.      1137 00:53:55,941 --> 00:53:58,568             Have some drinks                    and smoked some pot.        1138 00:53:58,610 --> 00:54:01,738           And we were playing.                  Life was fantastic.         1139 00:54:01,780 --> 00:54:05,825                                   1140 00:54:05,867 --> 00:54:08,954       Straight through the heart    1141 00:54:08,995 --> 00:54:12,249         So, he's singing that                    in the room.             1142 00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:15,085         You go, "Holy shit."         1143 00:54:15,126 --> 00:54:17,796    [producer]   What was the feeling       like with the band back then?    1144 00:54:17,837 --> 00:54:19,506      [Ronnie]   Oh, it was great.      1145 00:54:19,547 --> 00:54:21,049         It was such a wonderful                  family atmosphere,         1146 00:54:21,091 --> 00:54:22,676         just a magical situation      1147 00:54:22,717 --> 00:54:24,010             where everybody                  loved being in that room,      1148 00:54:24,052 --> 00:54:26,930      playing, and we experimented.    1149 00:54:26,972 --> 00:54:29,933                                   1150 00:54:29,975 --> 00:54:32,686        So this one's a version             of "Rainbow in the Dark."      1151 00:54:32,727 --> 00:54:34,688              There's no                      keyboard part in it.         1152 00:54:34,729 --> 00:54:36,731              Ronnie's still                      testing the waters         1153 00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,609                with where                      the vocals should go.        1154 00:54:39,651 --> 00:54:42,862         When there's lightning      1155 00:54:42,904 --> 00:54:45,699                It always                         breaks me down           1156 00:54:45,740 --> 00:54:47,117                  We had                        "Rainbow in the Dark."       1157 00:54:47,158 --> 00:54:48,868          We're playing it back.       1158 00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:51,621            And Jimmy's got                 a cigarette in his mouth       1159 00:54:51,663 --> 00:54:53,873       with a big ash ready to fall    1160 00:54:53,915 --> 00:54:55,959         and a Jim Beam and Coke.      1161 00:54:56,001 --> 00:54:57,460          And he goes over to              this little shitty keyboard     1162 00:54:57,502 --> 00:54:59,087       of Ronnie's and he goes,       1163 00:54:59,129 --> 00:55:01,965             [Vinny mimicking                     keyboard playing]          1164 00:55:02,007 --> 00:55:05,760          And he wrote that part               without the ash fallin'.      1165 00:55:05,802 --> 00:55:07,304      What? That's killer, dude.      1166 00:55:07,345 --> 00:55:11,266                                   1167 00:55:11,308 --> 00:55:14,394               [Ronnie]                      Um, "Rainbow in the Dark."     1168 00:55:14,436 --> 00:55:16,730           uh, it's a song that                   I really disliked.         1169 00:55:16,771 --> 00:55:18,773        And when it was finished,      1170 00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:20,942              I announced to                  everyone that I was going      1171 00:55:20,984 --> 00:55:23,653          to take a razor blade               and just cut the tape up.      1172 00:55:23,695 --> 00:55:25,155                  And so                     I went for the razor blade.     1173 00:55:25,196 --> 00:55:27,324            And they all went,                 "No, no. Don't, don't."       1174 00:55:27,365 --> 00:55:29,075          And I didn't do that,        1175 00:55:29,117 --> 00:55:30,910            and I thanked them                 over and over and over.       1176 00:55:30,952 --> 00:55:33,788         And so, you know, kudos              to them forever and ever.      1177 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:36,916               We were just                    having time of our life,      1178 00:55:36,958 --> 00:55:39,169       and the roadies used to go,     1179 00:55:39,210 --> 00:55:43,173    "This is going platinum, dude."               Nah, never.             1180 00:55:43,214 --> 00:55:46,801          [seabirds calling]          1181 00:55:46,843 --> 00:55:48,928              At that time,                     you had vinyl records        1182 00:55:48,970 --> 00:55:52,140           so on the first um,                      "Holy Diver,"            1183 00:55:52,182 --> 00:55:54,017              we both wanted                      to push the edges,         1184 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:56,353        and the record company            were not that happy about it,    1185 00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:58,438       but we've got this idea.       1186 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,398          We know what we want.        1187 00:56:02,525 --> 00:56:05,987       In the '80s, I was working,            uh, with Ronnie and Wendy      1188 00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:07,697              on pictures                     and just in general,         1189 00:56:07,739 --> 00:56:10,950         doing stuff that they           wanted me to do and everything.  1190 00:56:10,992 --> 00:56:14,454         I get a phone call from             this guy named Gene Hunter.     1191 00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:17,290         He says, "Wendy gave me                  your phone number.         1192 00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:20,627             And do you know                  of a good cove to go to?"      1193 00:56:20,668 --> 00:56:22,253            I said, "Cove?"           1194 00:56:22,295 --> 00:56:25,382                                   1195 00:56:25,423 --> 00:56:29,177       We ended up down at a place              called Paradise Cove.        1196 00:56:29,219 --> 00:56:32,263          So we get down there,        1197 00:56:32,305 --> 00:56:34,808        and he's got this wet suit             'cause it's really cold.      1198 00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:39,062              And on the top                     is a priest outfit,         1199 00:56:39,104 --> 00:56:42,315        and he's got the shitload            of chains, a lot of chains.     1200 00:56:42,357 --> 00:56:46,403     I'm going, "What's he doin'?"    1201 00:56:46,444 --> 00:56:49,572           So, he found a spot,        1202 00:56:49,614 --> 00:56:51,991             and he's trying                     to drag these chains        1203 00:56:52,033 --> 00:56:54,077             into this middle                    of this little cove.        1204 00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,913          It looked like he was              standing on a slippery rock     1205 00:56:56,955 --> 00:56:59,999           or something, but he               kept bobbing up and down.      1206 00:57:00,041 --> 00:57:02,252         I'm not taking pictures.      1207 00:57:02,293 --> 00:57:03,962            I'm just--He said,                "Take the fucking picture.     1208 00:57:04,003 --> 00:57:05,964             Take pictures!"           1209 00:57:06,005 --> 00:57:07,632             And he's bobbing                   and going up and down.       1210 00:57:07,674 --> 00:57:11,678             So, I'm taking,                    and snap, snap, snap.        1211 00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,263           "Are you all right?                 Are you coming back up?       1212 00:57:13,304 --> 00:57:14,806           Oh, crap. Are you--"        1213 00:57:14,848 --> 00:57:17,392             "Take the pic--"                   So he's... Glug-glug.        1214 00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:20,186          I don't know if I took             more than a roll and a half     1215 00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:22,897           before it's like,                    this is not good.          1216 00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:24,691             This is now bad           1217 00:57:24,732 --> 00:57:27,277            because it's like                  he's trying to breathe.       1218 00:57:27,318 --> 00:57:28,945             And he's trying                    to throw me the chain        1219 00:57:28,987 --> 00:57:31,739             to bring him in,                   but he can't lift it.        1220 00:57:31,781 --> 00:57:35,452             So I'm slipping.                  He's drowning or falling      1221 00:57:35,493 --> 00:57:37,328          and going under again,                   and it's like...          1222 00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:41,416  [sighs] So, somehow I yank him.           He pulls, and he gets up.      1223 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:43,751       He--He's like, half-drowned.    1224 00:57:43,793 --> 00:57:48,840                                    1225 00:57:48,882 --> 00:57:51,968      I got the pictures developed,         and I turned them over to him,  1226 00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:55,472             and he said,                   "I'm working on the cover      1227 00:57:55,513 --> 00:57:58,266    for this 'Holy Diver' record."    1228 00:57:58,308 --> 00:58:01,102         [angelic vocalizing]         1229 00:58:01,144 --> 00:58:03,396           So after the record                   came out, I'm like,         1230 00:58:03,438 --> 00:58:05,982       "That's what we were doing."    1231 00:58:06,024 --> 00:58:09,152           That was him. He was             literally fighting the waves.    1232 00:58:09,194 --> 00:58:13,072            And I was like,               "This is so beyond awesome."     1233 00:58:13,114 --> 00:58:15,241                                   1234 00:58:15,283 --> 00:58:17,285              So Ronnie now,                     he's been the singer        1235 00:58:17,327 --> 00:58:21,748          of two of the biggest             heavy metal bands in history.    1236 00:58:21,789 --> 00:58:25,418       Now, they say three times           a charm, but not in music.      1237 00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:26,794               You know?                    This doesn't happen, man.      1238 00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:29,506            But this was Dio.          1239 00:58:29,547 --> 00:58:32,300           He's determined that             either he goes down in flames    1240 00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:36,095            or he finds glory.         1241 00:58:36,137 --> 00:58:38,765               Holy diver            1242 00:58:38,806 --> 00:58:42,143        You've been down too long               in the midnight sea        1243 00:58:42,185 --> 00:58:44,354         [Mick] Ronnie and Wendy                have got enough money        1244 00:58:44,395 --> 00:58:46,564           to make this album,                   put together a tour,        1245 00:58:46,606 --> 00:58:48,566          pay for it themselves.       1246 00:58:48,608 --> 00:58:51,361         They bet the farm on it.                  They really did.          1247 00:58:51,402 --> 00:58:54,405         Huge risk. Uh, we didn't           know what was going to happen.  1248 00:58:54,447 --> 00:58:55,698              We actually                      mortgaged our house         1249 00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:57,659      to take the first tour out.     1250 00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:02,330        He had to start the whole            circuit of playing anywhere.    1251 00:59:02,372 --> 00:59:06,042       The first show was Antioch,            California. It was a barn.     1252 00:59:06,084 --> 00:59:08,169                He played                       Bronco Bowl in Dallas,       1253 00:59:08,211 --> 00:59:09,837        which is a bowling alley.      1254 00:59:09,879 --> 00:59:11,589             So we'd like                     to do a song for you         1255 00:59:11,631 --> 00:59:14,801     called "Rainbow in the Dark."                  Let's go!              1256 00:59:14,842 --> 00:59:17,220     It was just crazy. You could           feel it, the excitement.       1257 00:59:17,262 --> 00:59:19,055                                   1258 00:59:19,097 --> 00:59:22,517      The radio stations here was         playing the shit out of that     1259 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:25,895      first record, and you just           heard it every ten minutes.     1260 00:59:25,937 --> 00:59:28,147         When there's lightning      1261 00:59:28,189 --> 00:59:33,069               You know it                     always brings me down       1262 00:59:33,111 --> 00:59:36,406              [Wendy] We did            Santa Monica Civic, sold out in,  1263 00:59:36,447 --> 00:59:39,200           I think, in an hour,             and then they did an in-store    1264 00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:41,035      after that where they smashed              through the window,         1265 00:59:41,077 --> 00:59:43,663         there was so many fans.       1266 00:59:43,705 --> 00:59:46,374      [Vinny]   I think, because of          the introduction of a new band  1267 00:59:46,416 --> 00:59:48,585         just under Ronnie's name      1268 00:59:48,626 --> 00:59:51,671            with a new, young                  hotshot guitar player...      1269 00:59:51,713 --> 00:59:54,716                                    1270 00:59:54,757 --> 00:59:58,636            ...Dio, the band,               it was an introduction for him  1271 00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:01,764          to a whole new world,               a whole new start for him,     1272 01:00:01,806 --> 01:00:04,392            this rising scene,               at the time, of heavy metal.    1273 01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:10,023             [vocalizing]             1274 01:00:10,064 --> 01:00:12,942      [song ends, crowd cheering]     1275 01:00:16,154 --> 01:00:19,073      [indistinct conversations]      1276 01:00:19,115 --> 01:00:21,284    This is where we'd always sit,    1277 01:00:21,326 --> 01:00:23,286         and there's pictures             of Ronnie and Rainbow there.     1278 01:00:23,328 --> 01:00:25,038        Oh, how young we were.        1279 01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,457          So young. Babyface.                They're all babyfaces.        1280 01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:36,591             Soft and warm           1281 01:00:36,633 --> 01:00:38,051                  Oh.                 1282 01:00:38,092 --> 01:00:40,970          She'll touch my face       1283 01:00:41,012 --> 01:00:43,097             A bed of straw          1284 01:00:43,139 --> 01:00:45,016       [Ronnie]   There were some             of these songs that I think     1285 01:00:45,058 --> 01:00:47,644          reflect my own trauma                  at the time as well.        1286 01:00:47,685 --> 01:00:49,479         I mean, you know, I had                 some personal things        1287 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,690            that were going on              that bothered me quite a bit.    1288 01:00:52,732 --> 01:00:54,817                [Vinny]                       Yeah, in the beginning,       1289 01:00:54,859 --> 01:00:57,945              it was, like,                     a normal relationship.       1290 01:00:57,987 --> 01:01:00,156              Everything was                    hunky dory, you know.        1291 01:01:00,198 --> 01:01:03,534         And then, things changed             between Wendy and Ronnie,      1292 01:01:03,576 --> 01:01:05,745                you know?              1293 01:01:05,787 --> 01:01:07,163          You know, obviously             it's very hard being married     1294 01:01:07,205 --> 01:01:08,956      to a musician for a start,      1295 01:01:08,998 --> 01:01:11,626           and managing him,                 as well, was very hard.       1296 01:01:11,668 --> 01:01:14,003         Ronnie was a wonderful,                    sweet, loving,           1297 01:01:14,045 --> 01:01:16,839              giving person,                 but he was a perfectionist.     1298 01:01:16,881 --> 01:01:19,967        He had dreams, and he was                gonna fulfill them.         1299 01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:21,511             And if you were                     not to his standard,        1300 01:01:21,552 --> 01:01:23,680       you were going to get it.      1301 01:01:23,721 --> 01:01:28,017             He would give it               to his crew, his band, to me.    1302 01:01:28,059 --> 01:01:31,854           So, we had a lot                of fights, a lot of, um...      1303 01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:33,856        I'll leave for a while,              come back for a while,        1304 01:01:33,898 --> 01:01:37,944      back and forth and back and        forth during our relationship.    1305 01:01:37,985 --> 01:01:40,321     You know, their relationship          was unique. Let's face it.      1306 01:01:40,363 --> 01:01:42,156                It wasn't                     traditional by any means.      1307 01:01:42,198 --> 01:01:44,450              It wasn't just            an artist-manager relationship,    1308 01:01:44,492 --> 01:01:46,661       and it wasn't just a husband             and wife relationship.       1309 01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:49,330               It was a lot                    of very complex things.       1310 01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:51,582           Any relationship                    has ups and downs,          1311 01:01:51,624 --> 01:01:53,751            and we had many                      ups and downs,            1312 01:01:53,793 --> 01:01:55,920      but we were always a team.      1313 01:01:55,962 --> 01:01:57,588             I had his back,                       he had my back,           1314 01:01:57,630 --> 01:02:00,383             so we were gonna                 fight to the end together.     1315 01:02:00,425 --> 01:02:06,180                                   1316 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:08,057            In the early '80s,         1317 01:02:08,099 --> 01:02:10,393     Los Angeles was just the most          exciting place on Earth.       1318 01:02:10,435 --> 01:02:13,229                                   1319 01:02:13,271 --> 01:02:16,399      The early '80s were badass.               They were badass.          1320 01:02:16,441 --> 01:02:19,652     [Vinny]   It was magic. All of      a sudden, the Strip came alive.    1321 01:02:19,694 --> 01:02:21,195      [Jeff] Rock bands everywhere,             and there were parties       1322 01:02:21,237 --> 01:02:23,573               every night,                 but everybody was into music.    1323 01:02:23,614 --> 01:02:26,576        Everybody was also kind of             into recreational things      1324 01:02:26,617 --> 01:02:28,411               that perhaps                  weren't as healthy for you.     1325 01:02:28,453 --> 01:02:30,413        Most of all, there was           just all this great rock music    1326 01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:32,373      and all these great bands.      1327 01:02:32,415 --> 01:02:34,333          And my distinct memory               is Ronnie kind of being       1328 01:02:34,375 --> 01:02:36,252        in the center of all that.     1329 01:02:36,294 --> 01:02:38,755           You know, he fit in                   in a different way.         1330 01:02:38,796 --> 01:02:40,715             Ronnie wasn't                    a guy that was like,         1331 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,592          "Hey, let's go out              and chase chicks," you know?     1332 01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:46,596    Always the conversation seemed       to go to the same thing--music.  1333 01:02:46,637 --> 01:02:49,265           I think he acted                  more like a role model.       1334 01:02:49,307 --> 01:02:51,726         There was this whole              undercurrent of metal bands     1335 01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:54,061               around L.A.                      that looked up to him,       1336 01:02:54,103 --> 01:02:55,772        and he was aware of that,      1337 01:02:55,813 --> 01:02:57,482        and he was very nurturing                   to everybody.            1338 01:02:57,523 --> 01:02:58,941        "Are you doing your best?      1339 01:02:58,983 --> 01:03:00,234              Are you doing                       the greatest thing         1340 01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:02,779      you could possibly be doing?"    1341 01:03:02,820 --> 01:03:05,948                [Rudy]                     Globally, metal was thriving,    1342 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:09,368        was getting on the radio,                  it was selling.           1343 01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:12,580             And it's getting               introduced to a lot of people    1344 01:03:12,622 --> 01:03:15,541         on what was a new thing               at the time called MTV.       1345 01:03:15,583 --> 01:03:19,086              The advantages                 of the MTV video explosion,     1346 01:03:19,128 --> 01:03:20,671  you can't understate it, really,  1347 01:03:20,713 --> 01:03:22,381              'cause it--                    it had a lot of value.        1348 01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:25,343       When I was in Quiet Riot,             "Cum On Feel the Noise"       1349 01:03:25,384 --> 01:03:27,804        was on every half-hour.                   It's timing.             1350 01:03:27,845 --> 01:03:30,473     Ronnie had just put together                 the Dio band,            1351 01:03:30,515 --> 01:03:34,310           and all of a sudden              he's getting the MTV exposure.  1352 01:03:34,352 --> 01:03:35,895          "Rainbow in the Dark"                  became the one that         1353 01:03:35,937 --> 01:03:37,313         MTV played all the time.      1354 01:03:37,355 --> 01:03:38,773          Ronnie loved that one        1355 01:03:38,815 --> 01:03:40,983          because it made him                   look really tall.          1356 01:03:41,025 --> 01:03:43,611          Him in the white boots             on the roof walking around,     1357 01:03:43,653 --> 01:03:45,446          I was like, "I want                white boots like that."       1358 01:03:45,488 --> 01:03:47,490         [Lita] Record companies              would dump all this money      1359 01:03:47,532 --> 01:03:50,409          into the music videos.       1360 01:03:50,451 --> 01:03:53,996        I mean, now if you had to           look back, you could probably    1361 01:03:54,038 --> 01:03:55,581         do something way better                 with your cellphone.        1362 01:03:55,623 --> 01:04:00,169          [laughs] It's true.         1363 01:04:00,211 --> 01:04:03,798      So, he was at the forefront      of that, but he--he looked mean.  1364 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,216        You know, he looked tough.     1365 01:04:05,258 --> 01:04:07,927                He was one                     of the very few artists       1366 01:04:07,969 --> 01:04:10,888              that actually                  had that metal image going.     1367 01:04:10,930 --> 01:04:13,224        You know, look at Dokken,               "Breaking the Chains,"       1368 01:04:13,266 --> 01:04:16,060         They got me chained down             in a kimono and I'm like,      1369 01:04:16,102 --> 01:04:19,230               "Oh boy."                    And then you cut to Dio--      1370 01:04:19,272 --> 01:04:22,358               That was                     a totally different vibe.      1371 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,443     [Rudy]   Ronnie was pretty much         all about just going out there  1372 01:04:24,485 --> 01:04:28,197            and being as metal                  as you could ever be.        1373 01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:29,365             [thunderclap]            1374 01:04:29,407 --> 01:04:32,368                                   1375 01:04:37,707 --> 01:04:40,459  I got this mysterious phone call          from these producers         1376 01:04:40,501 --> 01:04:42,712      that wanted me to come over                to Warner Bros.           1377 01:04:42,753 --> 01:04:45,715            They told me that                 they had had great success     1378 01:04:45,756 --> 01:04:48,551       with "Holy Diver," and they           wanted to do something epic     1379 01:04:48,593 --> 01:04:51,721      to launch "The Last in Line."    1380 01:04:51,762 --> 01:04:56,350        So, Jeff, the Warner Bros.      executive, popped a cassette in,  1381 01:04:56,392 --> 01:04:57,810            and I'm going,                 "Oh, this is kind of cool,"     1382 01:04:57,852 --> 01:05:00,229      We're a laugh without a tear  1383 01:05:00,271 --> 01:05:03,733         And there's this moment                in that song where...        1384 01:05:03,774 --> 01:05:06,611             We are coming           1385 01:05:06,652 --> 01:05:10,489            And then Ronnie                uncorks his amazing voice,      1386 01:05:10,531 --> 01:05:12,199           and I'm not going               to try to even imitate it.      1387 01:05:12,241 --> 01:05:15,912                  Home               1388 01:05:15,953 --> 01:05:18,706          [continues vocalizing]       1389 01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:21,584        You know, a chill goes            down my spine, and I thought,    1390 01:05:21,626 --> 01:05:24,295       "Okay, I--there could be              a video in this song."        1391 01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:27,131         Jeff pitched me an idea.      1392 01:05:27,173 --> 01:05:31,093        He wanted to have a video              about teenagers in hell.      1393 01:05:31,135 --> 01:05:37,266    So, uh, the studio wants to do     a video about teenagers in hell,  1394 01:05:37,308 --> 01:05:41,604         and Ronnie had a much           more philosophical take on it.    1395 01:05:41,646 --> 01:05:45,441        And he basically told me,            "Well, from birth to death,     1396 01:05:45,483 --> 01:05:48,110           we're all in a line.        1397 01:05:48,152 --> 01:05:51,739               And imagine                   if you're the last in line."    1398 01:05:51,781 --> 01:05:53,115                                    1399 01:05:53,157 --> 01:05:54,617            And then he says,                      "And of course,           1400 01:05:54,659 --> 01:05:56,202  you've got to put Murray in it."  1401 01:05:56,243 --> 01:05:58,287        Murray? who's Murray?"        1402 01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,706         [Vinny]   Well, Murray,        1403 01:06:00,748 --> 01:06:05,419       you think his name would be            Damien or fucking Lucifer.     1404 01:06:05,461 --> 01:06:10,091    Ronnie one day, said "Murray."            So, he became Murray.        1405 01:06:10,132 --> 01:06:15,638               We'll know                       for the first time         1406 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,933        If we're evil or divine      1407 01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:21,185         We're the last in line      1408 01:06:21,227 --> 01:06:23,646                 [Don]                      And so, I basically came up     1409 01:06:23,688 --> 01:06:26,774      with this slightly wonky idea          which is about a, you know,     1410 01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:28,067          a normal teenage kid.        1411 01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:30,027      He's, you know, going around.    1412 01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:32,113          He's got his delivery,            and he goes into the elevator,  1413 01:06:32,154 --> 01:06:34,615        and he pushes the button.      1414 01:06:34,657 --> 01:06:37,493            And I kind of took                The Wizard of Oz   motif        1415 01:06:37,535 --> 01:06:41,956       of, you know, being swept up         in a tornado and inverted it.    1416 01:06:41,998 --> 01:06:44,083       I got the teenagers in hell,               and I got the line         1417 01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:47,003                 and, um,                      Murray in the distance.       1418 01:06:47,044 --> 01:06:49,588              Last in line           1419 01:06:49,630 --> 01:06:51,924                                   1420 01:06:51,966 --> 01:06:55,678            See how we shine         1421 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,514       [Glenn]   All the elements               of Ronnie's career seem       1422 01:06:58,556 --> 01:07:00,975        to come together with Dio,     1423 01:07:01,017 --> 01:07:04,770             the culmination                of his extraordinary presence    1424 01:07:04,812 --> 01:07:08,190        and extraordinary ability                  to write songs.           1425 01:07:08,232 --> 01:07:11,360        They weren't top 40 songs,                but the key factor         1426 01:07:11,402 --> 01:07:13,696             is that he knew                       how to connect.           1427 01:07:13,738 --> 01:07:17,575            That was the key,                that very direct connection     1428 01:07:17,616 --> 01:07:20,536            with his audience,                     which fans felt.          1429 01:07:20,578 --> 01:07:25,416              [cheering]              1430 01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:26,792             Is that good?                      Is that in focus?          1431 01:07:26,834 --> 01:07:27,918          You got that shit?          1432 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,503        [crew member] I got it.       1433 01:07:32,131 --> 01:07:36,469        Where I really came online                as a-a metal head,         1434 01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:39,972            you know, '80s,               that period was real, like...    1435 01:07:40,014 --> 01:07:42,308             Devil-heavy.             1436 01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:45,978          Faceless creatures                in robes, from my study,       1437 01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:48,564           symbolize Druids,                    which, of course,          1438 01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:51,859          you go back to, uh,                    Satan worship.            1439 01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:56,363        It was Satan. There was             something extra seductive      1440 01:07:56,405 --> 01:08:00,242    and...and powerful about that.    1441 01:08:00,284 --> 01:08:03,329         Looking back on it now,                 there is some humor.        1442 01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:06,707       All right now, now you're          going to play this backwards?    1443 01:08:06,749 --> 01:08:09,627        Right. And then you'll            hear there's power in Satan.     1444 01:08:09,668 --> 01:08:14,215        There is power in Satan      1445 01:08:14,256 --> 01:08:16,717        - Did y'all hear that?           - [audience member] I heard it!  1446 01:08:16,759 --> 01:08:19,470            [Jack] My mom was                     a little concerned         1447 01:08:19,512 --> 01:08:22,681           with my consumption                     of Devil music.           1448 01:08:22,723 --> 01:08:25,684                                    1449 01:08:25,726 --> 01:08:29,188        And she gave me this tape                that was a preacher         1450 01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:31,440             who was talking                      about evil music.          1451 01:08:31,482 --> 01:08:34,360          Daily, young people                     are bombarded            1452 01:08:34,401 --> 01:08:38,948        by distorted visual images           and twisted music messages.     1453 01:08:38,989 --> 01:08:41,617  [Jack] It was supposed to, like,   turn me away from the evil ways    1454 01:08:41,659 --> 01:08:43,494          but I was like, "Oh."        1455 01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:46,747         It was just sort of this             rad tape that turned me on     1456 01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:48,791            to new music that                I hadn't listened to before.    1457 01:08:48,833 --> 01:08:51,210        It had the opposite effect          of what it was supposed to do.  1458 01:08:51,252 --> 01:08:52,545              [chuckles]              1459 01:08:52,586 --> 01:08:54,839                                   1460 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,632           Dio had some Devil.         1461 01:08:56,674 --> 01:08:59,552             Dio's Devil was                  a little more theatrical,      1462 01:08:59,593 --> 01:09:01,637       like a Shakespearean Devil.     1463 01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,558        It's the thing that makes           all great stories interesting    1464 01:09:05,599 --> 01:09:07,351                 is like,                     how good is your villain?      1465 01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:09,562             What's   Star Wars                    without Darth Vader?        1466 01:09:09,603 --> 01:09:12,898         How good is the Bible                 without the Devil?          1467 01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:14,775            Dude, no spice.           1468 01:09:14,817 --> 01:09:17,361           [Vinny]   There was                blowback of people thinking,    1469 01:09:17,403 --> 01:09:20,364           "Oh, he's just some                  sort of demonic guy."        1470 01:09:20,406 --> 01:09:21,907  I'm sure the evangelical church,              for instance,            1471 01:09:21,949 --> 01:09:23,450       in the States, isn't too             happy about what you do.       1472 01:09:23,492 --> 01:09:25,161         Not too pleased, no.         1473 01:09:25,202 --> 01:09:26,954      Well, they think that, uh,                  I'm the Devil            1474 01:09:26,996 --> 01:09:29,665     or this particular sign means    1475 01:09:29,707 --> 01:09:32,209      I'm putting a curse on you.     1476 01:09:32,251 --> 01:09:34,086     And what does that sign mean,              with two fingers?          1477 01:09:34,128 --> 01:09:37,131        Oh, I just cursed you,            and you're gonna die in hell.    1478 01:09:37,173 --> 01:09:40,968           Well, there's a myth              that the Dio logo says devil    1479 01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:43,220         when turned upside down.      1480 01:09:43,262 --> 01:09:46,056        That's not true at all.                    Not at all.             1481 01:09:47,391 --> 01:09:48,976      Christians ruin everything.     1482 01:09:49,018 --> 01:09:51,187  I'm a--I'm an ordained minister,                you know.              1483 01:09:51,228 --> 01:09:53,355           I believe in God               and Jesus and all that stuff.    1484 01:09:53,397 --> 01:09:55,107      They just ruin everything.                 They're idiots.           1485 01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,903         You want it to be dark.               You want it to be scary.      1486 01:09:58,944 --> 01:10:02,531       You want it to be powerful.            You want it to be intense.     1487 01:10:02,573 --> 01:10:06,035        For Ronnie, it was a tool.           He knew how to communicate.     1488 01:10:06,076 --> 01:10:07,119         [Ronnie]   I don't believe            in either heaven and hell      1489 01:10:07,161 --> 01:10:09,622           as a place to go to.        1490 01:10:09,663 --> 01:10:12,124  At the end of the day, if we all     just believe in the same thing,  1491 01:10:12,166 --> 01:10:14,210      you know, that we've got a          choice between good and evil.    1492 01:10:14,251 --> 01:10:15,711        Okay, make your choice.           That's all it's about to me.     1493 01:10:15,753 --> 01:10:18,714                                   1494 01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:30,392                [Vinny]                    The whole good and evil thing,  1495 01:10:30,434 --> 01:10:33,812               it came from                  a very deep place within him    1496 01:10:33,854 --> 01:10:36,690             where he wanted                      to empower people.         1497 01:10:36,732 --> 01:10:40,236             He authentically                believed that the weaker guy    1498 01:10:40,277 --> 01:10:42,905      needs to stand up for himself.  1499 01:10:42,947 --> 01:10:45,074       [Dan]   You can accomplish               anything without people       1500 01:10:45,115 --> 01:10:48,244       influencing you to do stuff            that you don't want to do.     1501 01:10:48,285 --> 01:10:50,955               As a kid,                   I just remember how strong      1502 01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:52,790             and resonant                     and powerful it was.         1503 01:10:52,831 --> 01:10:55,793                                   1504 01:11:07,471 --> 01:11:09,640       [Ronnie]   I've always felt           to be somewhat of a spokesman    1505 01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:11,642      for people who may be lonely,    1506 01:11:11,684 --> 01:11:15,396             maybe have been                      looked down upon.          1507 01:11:15,437 --> 01:11:17,773           [Craig]   His heart                  was for the downtrodden       1508 01:11:17,815 --> 01:11:19,608           and the black sheep                      of the globe.            1509 01:11:19,650 --> 01:11:22,194       He was our voice because            that's how he saw himself.      1510 01:11:22,236 --> 01:11:27,616           Climb the rainbow         1511 01:11:27,658 --> 01:11:29,535             You're a star           1512 01:11:29,576 --> 01:11:35,082        We are forever you and I     1513 01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:40,379                We stand             1514 01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:44,300      At the time, uh, they were         doing, uh, "We are the World."    1515 01:11:44,341 --> 01:11:47,219            We are the world                     We are the world          1516 01:11:47,261 --> 01:11:48,971          We are the children        1517 01:11:49,013 --> 01:11:51,807       Yeah, we are the children     1518 01:11:51,849 --> 01:11:53,517            Ronnie had wanted                    to be part of that,         1519 01:11:53,559 --> 01:11:57,021          but we were nasty,               heavy metal, dirty people.      1520 01:11:57,062 --> 01:11:59,523         We are fire and stone       1521 01:11:59,565 --> 01:12:03,319             And we all want                    to touch a rainbow         1522 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,613         [Eddie] You know, often,               metal is marginalized        1523 01:12:06,655 --> 01:12:08,741              and thought of                   as lowbrow or whatever.       1524 01:12:08,782 --> 01:12:11,118     So, many times those artists                are not invited           1525 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,246         to the charity events             and the charity recordings.     1526 01:12:14,288 --> 01:12:18,459            So, Ronnie decided                to do his own heavy metal,     1527 01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:21,503          "We are the World,"                  and it was awesome.         1528 01:12:21,545 --> 01:12:24,506                                   1529 01:12:28,385 --> 01:12:31,180            This project came               about because of a radio-thon    1530 01:12:31,221 --> 01:12:34,933         that the station KLOS                 held for two days.          1531 01:12:34,975 --> 01:12:36,810       Our bass player, Jimmy Bain,    1532 01:12:36,852 --> 01:12:38,270            and guitar player,                     Vivian Campbell,          1533 01:12:38,312 --> 01:12:39,980        noticed the lack of people     1534 01:12:40,022 --> 01:12:43,650        representing our genre            of music, our kind of stuff.     1535 01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:45,652          Ronnie just wanted                to show that we wanted--       1536 01:12:45,694 --> 01:12:47,529         We want to help, too,        1537 01:12:47,571 --> 01:12:49,782           but do something              that's a little bit different.    1538 01:12:49,823 --> 01:12:53,702     [Rudy]   Every single musician            that made it in the '80s,      1539 01:12:53,744 --> 01:12:56,080           you know, we grew up                  listening to Ronnie.        1540 01:12:56,121 --> 01:12:59,208      So, any time Ronnie would say,         "Listen, I need you guys,"     1541 01:12:59,249 --> 01:13:01,877              and we'll say,                     "Yes, we're there,"         1542 01:13:01,919 --> 01:13:03,879            because we wanted                      to be like him.           1543 01:13:03,921 --> 01:13:06,548      He was a hero to all of us.     1544 01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:09,843         [Eddie]   You can think             about anybody who was anybody    1545 01:13:09,885 --> 01:13:12,596         on top at that time,                 and they were there.         1546 01:13:12,638 --> 01:13:14,056        [reporter] Do you know                 a lot of the people         1547 01:13:14,098 --> 01:13:15,766           involved with it?          1548 01:13:15,808 --> 01:13:17,518           Well, I'm meeting                them out there, aren't I?      1549 01:13:17,559 --> 01:13:20,729        I met the Yngwie Malmsteen          person, you know. He's great.    1550 01:13:20,771 --> 01:13:22,481        I like the way he puts                "Yngwie J. Malmsteen"        1551 01:13:22,523 --> 01:13:24,149             on his album,            1552 01:13:24,191 --> 01:13:25,567        so you know, you don't           confuse him with all the other    1553 01:13:25,609 --> 01:13:27,528           Yngwie Malmsteens                    in the business.           1554 01:13:27,569 --> 01:13:29,363           [Rob]   You've got                     all of these people.        1555 01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:31,073       We all know about each other    1556 01:13:31,115 --> 01:13:33,659          and what we're famous                for doing or not doing.       1557 01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:37,913          Ronnie was the captain            of the ship, and he steered us  1558 01:13:37,955 --> 01:13:42,042        through what could have           been an absolute catastrophe.    1559 01:13:42,084 --> 01:13:45,712          But singers and songs             will never change it alone     1560 01:13:45,754 --> 01:13:50,384         So we are calling you,                     calling you            1561 01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:52,428    - You can do better than that.                   - Yeah.               1562 01:13:52,469 --> 01:13:55,889     Everybody's giving a thousand       percent. You know, you can't...  1563 01:13:55,931 --> 01:13:57,891              [groaning]                 "It's just a couple of notes."    1564 01:13:57,933 --> 01:13:59,393       You can't do that because               there's Ronnie Dio,         1565 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:01,270            and he's the boss.         1566 01:14:01,311 --> 01:14:05,190           'Cause we are fire        1567 01:14:05,232 --> 01:14:10,779            'Cause we are fire       1568 01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:14,700            And I have to say,                  I admit it, you know.        1569 01:14:14,741 --> 01:14:16,702        I was scared shitless.        1570 01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:19,746        I'm like, "I'm playing               with Ronnie James Dio."       1571 01:14:19,788 --> 01:14:22,791             We are shadows,                       we are light            1572 01:14:22,833 --> 01:14:24,501          - [music turns off]                        - Shit.               1573 01:14:24,543 --> 01:14:26,378         Does "Dokken" really                 rhyme with "rockin'"?        1574 01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:27,838            [Don laughing]            1575 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,631     There's some debate in here,     1576 01:14:29,673 --> 01:14:31,383    but we'll sort that out later.              Okay, here we go.          1577 01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:33,343    [laughs] I'm just nervous, man.  1578 01:14:33,385 --> 01:14:35,637       Fuckin' Ronnie James Dio          producin', I'll stand out here.  1579 01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,222     Goddamn. Never in my wildest             dreams have I thought        1580 01:14:37,264 --> 01:14:41,059    - this would ever happen to me.               - Good man.             1581 01:14:41,101 --> 01:14:45,230        Great. Right. Nice job.                 I'm proud of you.          1582 01:14:45,272 --> 01:14:47,232                - Mark.                     - [camera shutter clicks]      1583 01:14:47,274 --> 01:14:49,318          - We should have--                - Rhymes with "rockin'."       1584 01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:52,654                                   1585 01:14:56,533 --> 01:15:00,496     [Eddie]   The Hear 'N Aid song           is about eight minutes long,    1586 01:15:00,537 --> 01:15:02,581       in its full length version,     1587 01:15:02,623 --> 01:15:04,875  and I think about six and a half              of those minutes          1588 01:15:04,917 --> 01:15:07,085            are guitar soloing                  going back and forth,        1589 01:15:07,127 --> 01:15:11,173  'cause there's about 15 players           taking different sections.     1590 01:15:11,215 --> 01:15:14,134           But I-I don't know.                  I mean, I'm such a fan       1591 01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:15,844     that I love every note of it.    1592 01:15:15,886 --> 01:15:18,388       I'm totally down with it                   to this day.             1593 01:15:18,430 --> 01:15:19,973                And I love                     that it showed that just      1594 01:15:20,015 --> 01:15:22,601        'cause you're into metal,       it doesn't mean you're a moron.    1595 01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:23,977              You can still                      have social issues.         1596 01:15:24,019 --> 01:15:25,562              You can still                       care about things.         1597 01:15:25,604 --> 01:15:27,397              You can still                       care about people.         1598 01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,399       After you stop listening             to this, to this record,       1599 01:15:29,441 --> 01:15:31,193            to what I say,               people will still be starving,    1600 01:15:31,235 --> 01:15:33,654      and only you can change it.     1601 01:15:33,695 --> 01:15:35,614      So, if this is the vehicle               to make you think,          1602 01:15:35,656 --> 01:15:38,158       to make you help another            human being, then so be it.     1603 01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,035         We've done our part.         1604 01:15:40,077 --> 01:15:43,539           We actually made,             I don't know, it was like over    1605 01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:47,709     a million dollars that we got         to send to, uh, to Africa.      1606 01:15:47,751 --> 01:15:52,548              We're stars            1607 01:15:52,589 --> 01:15:54,216               We're stars           1608 01:15:54,258 --> 01:15:55,884           [Eddie]   It's easy                 to look back on that stuff     1609 01:15:55,926 --> 01:15:58,345           with a snicker now,                    but at that time,          1610 01:15:58,387 --> 01:16:00,305        that was the coolest thing                  in the world.            1611 01:16:00,347 --> 01:16:03,058     [Don]   You know, I can't name                all the rock stars         1612 01:16:03,100 --> 01:16:05,102         who were in that video.               Rock 'n' roll was king.       1613 01:16:05,143 --> 01:16:08,897              MTV was king.                      This was our prime.         1614 01:16:08,939 --> 01:16:12,401              We're stars            1615 01:16:12,442 --> 01:16:16,780               We're stars           1616 01:16:16,822 --> 01:16:20,659     Hello. I'm Ronnie James Dio.     1617 01:16:20,701 --> 01:16:22,911         We're about to embark              on our   Sacred Heart   tour.      1618 01:16:22,953 --> 01:16:24,788         It's a show that we feel              is the most spectacular       1619 01:16:24,830 --> 01:16:26,790        that we've ever produced.      1620 01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:29,835      And when we get to your town,         we're hoping to transport you    1621 01:16:29,876 --> 01:16:31,295             back to the days                  of knights and dragons,       1622 01:16:31,336 --> 01:16:33,338           damsels in distress,                     crystal balls,           1623 01:16:33,380 --> 01:16:35,257       and lots and lots of magic.     1624 01:16:35,299 --> 01:16:36,758            We feel we've got                   a great show for you.        1625 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,469       I hope to see all of you                   really soon.             1626 01:16:39,511 --> 01:16:42,889     [Eddie]   The original Dio band              made a third record         1627 01:16:42,931 --> 01:16:46,310           called   Sacred Heart,         and the music videos got bigger,  1628 01:16:46,351 --> 01:16:48,895        the stage show got bigger.     1629 01:16:48,937 --> 01:16:52,441      [Don]   He knew how to dream,           make that dream materialize,    1630 01:16:52,482 --> 01:16:55,736         and it just kept growing              and growing and growing.      1631 01:16:55,777 --> 01:16:59,281      [Wendy]   He wanted a bigger           stage set and bigger and more,  1632 01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:01,408          and it cost a fortune,                  but he wanted it.          1633 01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:05,162      We had this huge 18-foot fire         breathing dragon with lasers.    1634 01:17:05,203 --> 01:17:07,247            He had this thing                  about dragons, you know,      1635 01:17:07,289 --> 01:17:09,374         dragons and rainbows.                 What a great thing.         1636 01:17:09,416 --> 01:17:12,085  You know, I've got leather studs          and whips and chains,        1637 01:17:12,127 --> 01:17:14,212           and Ronnie's got                   dragons and rainbows.        1638 01:17:14,254 --> 01:17:16,590         I wish we could flip.        1639 01:17:16,632 --> 01:17:17,799                [Wendy]                       He would slay the dragon      1640 01:17:17,841 --> 01:17:19,426      with a laser sword at the end.  1641 01:17:19,468 --> 01:17:23,388            It was absolutely                 like going to Disneyland.      1642 01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:27,559             [deep voice]                    Greetings, my children.       1643 01:17:27,601 --> 01:17:31,188           Come with me now                  and discover the magic        1644 01:17:31,229 --> 01:17:35,067           that lies beyond                    the sea of dreams.          1645 01:17:35,108 --> 01:17:38,654     [Mick]   At that point, Ronnie           had reinvented himself fully    1646 01:17:38,695 --> 01:17:42,282          as being the caretaker                 of the name, "Dio."         1647 01:17:42,324 --> 01:17:45,535                                    1648 01:17:45,577 --> 01:17:48,121         1986,   Sacred Heart   tour.      1649 01:17:48,163 --> 01:17:50,582            I remember bumping                  into him on that tour.       1650 01:17:50,624 --> 01:17:53,794            I'd never seen him                     so full of joy.           1651 01:17:53,835 --> 01:17:57,756            I'd never seen him                      so fulfilled.            1652 01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:00,759      He knew, I think, that he'd--         he'd done something remarkable  1653 01:18:00,801 --> 01:18:02,511    with his career at this point.    1654 01:18:02,552 --> 01:18:04,012          But it's taken Ronnie,                   you know, what,           1655 01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:06,932      nearly 40 years to get there.    1656 01:18:06,973 --> 01:18:09,101                And Ronnie                   defeating the dragon becomes    1657 01:18:09,142 --> 01:18:12,104            a kind of metaphor                       for the man.            1658 01:18:12,145 --> 01:18:14,606              His whole life                      had been a battle.         1659 01:18:14,648 --> 01:18:17,234          Everything Ronnie had,                he'd had to work for,        1660 01:18:17,275 --> 01:18:19,778             fight for, earn.          1661 01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:21,697         He's like Muhammad Ali,       1662 01:18:21,738 --> 01:18:26,118           the guy that became               world champion three times.     1663 01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:30,330           And, um, every time                 Ronnie slew that dragon,      1664 01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:35,293           that was heavy metal              is all about--authenticity.     1665 01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:38,004            Here he is, top of                      the mountain,            1666 01:18:38,046 --> 01:18:41,758             and he'd done it               by not writing the hit single.  1667 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,845      He'd done it by not kowtowing.  1668 01:18:44,886 --> 01:18:48,223          He stuck to his guns,                     come what may.           1669 01:18:48,265 --> 01:18:51,226                                   1670 01:19:04,614 --> 01:19:06,450        [Wendy]   We've had about                five offices, I think,       1671 01:19:06,491 --> 01:19:08,285            and I've always                     had "Holy Diver,"          1672 01:19:08,326 --> 01:19:10,954          uh, which is very,                  very precious to me.         1673 01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,831         The original artwork                   of "Holy Diver"--          1674 01:19:12,873 --> 01:19:15,417            I've always had                that hanging above my desk.     1675 01:19:15,459 --> 01:19:17,502              And of course,                gold records is just something  1676 01:19:17,544 --> 01:19:20,505      you always hang in your office          and things I'm proud of.      1677 01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:22,716                You know,                   Ronnie didn't care, you know.    1678 01:19:22,758 --> 01:19:25,051      In our house, we never had one       gold record hanging, not one.    1679 01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:28,472        He was a humble person.        He thought that was showing off,  1680 01:19:28,513 --> 01:19:31,808            so I showed off              for him in my office. [laughs]    1681 01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:35,729     This is his first gold record            that Ronnie ever got         1682 01:19:35,771 --> 01:19:38,899      in 1975 for "Love is All,"          which is a song he performed     1683 01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:40,859        on   The Butterfly Ball.        1684 01:19:40,901 --> 01:19:44,738            Love is all, yes,                       love is all            1685 01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:48,492         At the Butterfly Ball!      1686 01:19:48,533 --> 01:19:51,328     And then I found a scrapbook.    1687 01:19:51,369 --> 01:19:54,539         I think his mum might                    have made it.            1688 01:19:54,581 --> 01:19:57,334       Wow, this is all Rainbow.      1689 01:20:00,754 --> 01:20:03,757          Black Sabbath here.              This is Black Sabbath now.      1690 01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:07,511             A lot of, uh,                  press releases here on...      1691 01:20:07,552 --> 01:20:10,388                 Dio.                 1692 01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:12,641         Those were fun days,                    real fun days.            1693 01:20:12,682 --> 01:20:16,311           Yes, yes. It was                a great time in our lives.      1694 01:20:16,353 --> 01:20:18,480      A great time in our lives.      1695 01:20:18,522 --> 01:20:22,150         Well, that's the end                     of that book.            1696 01:20:22,192 --> 01:20:25,570        Now, the entertainment.       1697 01:20:25,612 --> 01:20:28,490       Tonight, we got for you,       1698 01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:30,742      you know him, you love him.           He's a neighborhood boy,       1699 01:20:30,784 --> 01:20:34,246           Ronnie James Dio                 and the Dioski brothers!       1700 01:20:34,287 --> 01:20:36,331                 Yay!                 1701 01:20:36,373 --> 01:20:39,459       [Mick]   At this point with             Ronnie's career, you know,     1702 01:20:39,501 --> 01:20:42,629  he'd been following his own path             since he was a kid         1703 01:20:42,671 --> 01:20:46,675            and reached a kind                of new pinnacle with Dio.      1704 01:20:46,716 --> 01:20:48,677     [Vivian]   We had a lot of fun            on the first two records,      1705 01:20:48,718 --> 01:20:51,012           by the time we were              doing the   Sacred Heart   album,    1706 01:20:51,054 --> 01:20:52,848        it was a very dark record                  for us to make.           1707 01:20:52,889 --> 01:20:54,850              It was really,                      really difficult.          1708 01:20:54,891 --> 01:20:56,393      [Vinny]   All those fun times              we had at Sound City,        1709 01:20:56,434 --> 01:20:58,311        it was a great atmosphere.     1710 01:20:58,353 --> 01:21:00,522        It wasn't such a business.     1711 01:21:00,564 --> 01:21:02,649                And then,                      the business end of this      1712 01:21:02,691 --> 01:21:04,776             started getting                     really frustrating.         1713 01:21:04,818 --> 01:21:08,029      and Viv was the one that would        point it out after a while.     1714 01:21:08,071 --> 01:21:10,448     [Vivian]   The promise was made         to us that by the third album,  1715 01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:12,826             it would be more                 of an equitable situation,     1716 01:21:12,868 --> 01:21:14,953               and I was--                      I was a squeaky wheel.       1717 01:21:14,995 --> 01:21:17,163      I mean, the third album came,           and I was the one going...     1718 01:21:17,205 --> 01:21:20,625             - [knocking]                 - "Uh, excuse me." [chuckles]    1719 01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:22,711    [Vinny]   Vivian had just told me         that he wanted more money,     1720 01:21:22,752 --> 01:21:26,047      From Ronnie's perspective,          when I'd bring it up to him,     1721 01:21:26,089 --> 01:21:29,634            he looked at it                as a young kid who he found     1722 01:21:29,676 --> 01:21:32,345            and put on the map                that was being ungrateful      1723 01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:34,890      and pulling the leverage play.  1724 01:21:34,931 --> 01:21:36,850      Well, you know, you should            get paid for what you do.      1725 01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:38,393          And when   Sacred Heart                  came around, I said,        1726 01:21:38,435 --> 01:21:40,395          "What do you got, Viv?             We've had four months off."     1727 01:21:40,437 --> 01:21:43,231       "Oh, nothing." "Oh, really?"              "Nope, not a thing."        1728 01:21:43,273 --> 01:21:44,566          "Oh, I guess I didn't              pay you enough, then did I?"    1729 01:21:44,608 --> 01:21:46,735           Money is not what                   music is all about.         1730 01:21:46,776 --> 01:21:49,571       [Wendy]   Ronnie had years            and years and years of banging  1731 01:21:49,613 --> 01:21:53,909          on the doors, and Elf         and Rainbow and everything else.  1732 01:21:53,950 --> 01:21:56,411           You can't just have                somebody come in the door      1733 01:21:56,453 --> 01:21:58,371         and go, "Oh, yeah, well,             I'm as important as you."      1734 01:21:58,413 --> 01:22:00,081        The band was called Dio...     1735 01:22:00,123 --> 01:22:02,584             for a reason.            1736 01:22:02,626 --> 01:22:06,046      [Mick]   He understands that            whether he likes it or not,     1737 01:22:06,087 --> 01:22:10,926       this time I'm the Blackmore,                 I'm the Iommi.           1738 01:22:10,967 --> 01:22:12,844              He's the boss.           1739 01:22:12,886 --> 01:22:16,264              After a while,            Ronnie got tired of it and said,  1740 01:22:16,306 --> 01:22:17,933      "We're going to get rid of him          and get somebody else,"       1741 01:22:17,974 --> 01:22:20,644    and I'm like, "Are you crazy?"    1742 01:22:20,685 --> 01:22:25,774      Back in those days, losing         a band member was a huge deal,    1743 01:22:25,815 --> 01:22:28,944             especially a guy               that was a budding guitar hero  1744 01:22:28,985 --> 01:22:32,364           in Vivian Campbell.         1745 01:22:32,405 --> 01:22:35,909     [Wendy]   Yes, it was magical.          It was great in the beginning,  1746 01:22:35,951 --> 01:22:38,620                but people                      have to go sometimes.        1747 01:22:38,662 --> 01:22:41,623                You know,                     Vivian Campbell had to go.     1748 01:22:41,665 --> 01:22:46,002     I mean. It was Ronnie's band.    1749 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,801        [Ronnie]   You sometimes                    get very trapped          1750 01:22:52,842 --> 01:22:56,513          by your own existence,                uh, you must maintain.       1751 01:22:56,554 --> 01:22:59,849               When you get                 to a certain success plateau,    1752 01:22:59,891 --> 01:23:02,686       the only thing you can do is          to either try to maintain it    1753 01:23:02,727 --> 01:23:04,312           or reach above that.        1754 01:23:04,354 --> 01:23:07,857        When I got the call to,                to join, you know,          1755 01:23:07,899 --> 01:23:09,693     headlining 20,000-seat arenas                every night,             1756 01:23:09,734 --> 01:23:12,529    it was like... [exhales deeply]  1757 01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:15,949            And so back then,               heavy metal was going strong.    1758 01:23:15,991 --> 01:23:18,868       [Don]   And that was during       the time that bands came to L.A.  1759 01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:21,121  to find their fame and fortune,    1760 01:23:21,162 --> 01:23:24,040       and they all got their hair               ran up to, you know,        1761 01:23:24,082 --> 01:23:26,626       ten feet and tons of makeup.    1762 01:23:26,668 --> 01:23:28,878        This is the reason I am           a rock 'n' roll drummer, see?    1763 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,630        Because girls like this            hang out with guys like me!     1764 01:23:30,672 --> 01:23:32,841          Can you believe it?         1765 01:23:32,882 --> 01:23:36,177          Motley Crue, Skid Row.                We looked like girls.        1766 01:23:36,219 --> 01:23:38,513                 [laughs]              1767 01:23:38,555 --> 01:23:42,684     I mean, not just us, but you         know, all that look was huge.    1768 01:23:42,726 --> 01:23:46,354        And I'll always say it,        that the rock scene of the '80s,  1769 01:23:46,396 --> 01:23:49,149         we were our own undoing.      1770 01:23:49,190 --> 01:23:52,527         It became more important                 about their look,          1771 01:23:52,569 --> 01:23:56,281          and not the songs--                  bands like Poison.          1772 01:23:56,322 --> 01:23:57,866              Unskinny Bop           1773 01:23:57,907 --> 01:23:59,826           "Unskinny Bop" bop?         1774 01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:02,203            Ronnie couldn't                 write "Unskinny Bop" bop       1775 01:24:02,245 --> 01:24:04,372    if they put a gun to his head.    1776 01:24:04,414 --> 01:24:09,669    [Dan]   Dio--he was never a part           of that hair metal thing.      1777 01:24:09,711 --> 01:24:11,880         He wasn't singing about             getting laid and doing drugs    1778 01:24:11,921 --> 01:24:13,631    and, you know, crap like that.    1779 01:24:13,673 --> 01:24:15,675                I mean,                      the music was rubbish,        1780 01:24:15,717 --> 01:24:18,887          and they destroyed              what the rest of us created.     1781 01:24:18,928 --> 01:24:21,139     [Vinny]   There's   Sacred Heart            and what's the other one?      1782 01:24:21,181 --> 01:24:23,600        Dream Evil,   I don't know.      1783 01:24:23,641 --> 01:24:25,310          Was there another one               after that? I don't know.      1784 01:24:25,351 --> 01:24:27,645       Sales, they started going                 down, you know?           1785 01:24:27,687 --> 01:24:30,857         And MTV, that was built               upon heavy metal music,       1786 01:24:30,899 --> 01:24:33,068              suddenly went,                    "Oh, no more of that."       1787 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,906            - [screeching]                 - [announcer]   120 minutes.      1788 01:24:37,947 --> 01:24:40,033        [reporter]   Right here,        1789 01:24:40,075 --> 01:24:41,826         the second of tonight's              two world premiere videos.     1790 01:24:41,868 --> 01:24:43,912       It's from the Seattle band,                     Nirvana.              1791 01:24:43,953 --> 01:24:46,039                 Here is                    the planet's first look at...    1792 01:24:46,081 --> 01:24:48,917                 [sniffs]                     "Smells like Teen Spirit."     1793 01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:51,336      ["Smells Like Teen Spirit"                     plays]                1794 01:24:51,377 --> 01:24:54,255          Basically, right after             Nirvana had their first play    1795 01:24:54,297 --> 01:24:57,258            of "Teen Spirit,"                   it changed everything.       1796 01:24:57,300 --> 01:25:01,262                                   1797 01:25:01,304 --> 01:25:03,098             It needed it.            1798 01:25:03,139 --> 01:25:05,683       You know, the MTV toilet               needed to be flushed,        1799 01:25:05,725 --> 01:25:07,769          you know and clean up        1800 01:25:07,811 --> 01:25:10,146       and--and get something else               in there, you know?         1801 01:25:10,188 --> 01:25:12,398         You're talking to a guy       1802 01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:15,110                who worked                    in rock radio for decades.     1803 01:25:15,151 --> 01:25:19,447        I literally saw the day           the program director comes in    1804 01:25:19,489 --> 01:25:24,244      and says, "All of these CDs--               in a box. No more.         1805 01:25:24,285 --> 01:25:27,288               Here's what                       we're playing now."         1806 01:25:27,330 --> 01:25:29,749      There's a big misconception           that the birth of Nirvana      1807 01:25:29,791 --> 01:25:33,920             and all that                  took down the "hair bands,"     1808 01:25:33,962 --> 01:25:35,880          and it certainly did.        1809 01:25:35,922 --> 01:25:38,883              But it didn't                   discriminate to just that.     1810 01:25:38,925 --> 01:25:41,761       It took down everything.           Everybody got hit with that.     1811 01:25:41,803 --> 01:25:43,721             I don't care if                   you were Black Sabbath,       1812 01:25:43,763 --> 01:25:46,808        Judas Priest, Iron Maiden,                whoever you were,          1813 01:25:46,850 --> 01:25:51,646     across the board, was one of         the most harsh, abrupt things    1814 01:25:51,688 --> 01:25:55,441      I've ever seen in my life.             All of this goes away,        1815 01:25:55,483 --> 01:25:58,111            and all of this                    is suddenly uncool.         1816 01:25:58,153 --> 01:26:01,656    It was like that, cut and dry.    1817 01:26:01,698 --> 01:26:04,492     - [producer] Dio in the box?             - Dio was in the box.        1818 01:26:04,534 --> 01:26:07,996                                   1819 01:26:08,037 --> 01:26:10,832                [thud]                1820 01:26:15,211 --> 01:26:19,048    somber acoustic instrumental    1821 01:26:19,090 --> 01:26:21,467           [Wendy]   The '90s                   were the darkest period       1822 01:26:21,509 --> 01:26:24,637              because he got                  dropped from Warner Bros.      1823 01:26:24,679 --> 01:26:26,389           Losing a record deal                    was devastating.          1824 01:26:26,431 --> 01:26:30,185          Absolute devastating.        1825 01:26:30,226 --> 01:26:33,438            The music industry               at that time, it was like...    1826 01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,983    Pfft. "We don't care, we don't          care about you anymore."       1827 01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:38,818         For someone like Ronnie,      1828 01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:40,737              it did get                  a little awkward in the '90s.    1829 01:26:40,778 --> 01:26:45,491           Nu metal and grunge               became what the public face     1830 01:26:45,533 --> 01:26:47,785        of metal was depicted as.      1831 01:26:47,827 --> 01:26:49,579               Underground,                    death metal, grindcore,       1832 01:26:49,621 --> 01:26:52,040      black metal got more intense.    1833 01:26:52,081 --> 01:26:55,210        The point being that stuff              like Ronnie James Dio,       1834 01:26:55,251 --> 01:26:57,670               people just                       kind of maybe said,         1835 01:26:57,712 --> 01:27:01,633        "We don't need any of that          stuff. That's dinosaur shit."    1836 01:27:01,674 --> 01:27:04,344        [Ronnie]   Bands like Dio             will find it very difficult.    1837 01:27:04,385 --> 01:27:06,304             It's only really                 alternate rock that seems      1838 01:27:06,346 --> 01:27:07,555              to be getting                     most of the attention.       1839 01:27:10,308 --> 01:27:12,560       Where--Where is it going?           God knows. I mean, that's--     1840 01:27:12,602 --> 01:27:14,812           A lot of that has                  to do with, you know,        1841 01:27:14,854 --> 01:27:17,106     with its acceptance, really.     1842 01:27:17,148 --> 01:27:19,025          It'll go as far as                 people allow us to go.        1843 01:27:19,067 --> 01:27:21,986         [Mick]   The mid-'90s,                 I remember he came over       1844 01:27:22,028 --> 01:27:25,406        to London to do interviews           to promote his latest album.    1845 01:27:25,448 --> 01:27:28,576    I had to beg, borrow, and steal         to try and get someone        1846 01:27:28,618 --> 01:27:31,496    to interview Ronnie James Dio.    1847 01:27:31,537 --> 01:27:34,874          I couldn't get anybody        interested in interviewing him.    1848 01:27:34,916 --> 01:27:37,252        [Wendy]   That was, like,             a really down time for him.     1849 01:27:37,293 --> 01:27:39,420      He didn't feel loved anymore.    1850 01:27:46,886 --> 01:27:49,264          Well, because it's               a world that, uh, you know,     1851 01:27:49,305 --> 01:27:50,974     it's not a very happy place.     1852 01:27:51,015 --> 01:27:54,686    It's a world we live in that's,       uh, just really depressing.     1853 01:27:54,727 --> 01:27:56,646       And it couldn't allow me               to talk about dreams         1854 01:27:56,688 --> 01:27:57,939           and everything's                   going to be wonderful        1855 01:27:57,981 --> 01:28:00,066     and the world will be happy.     1856 01:28:00,108 --> 01:28:02,068       Just, you know, work hard         and your dreams will come true.  1857 01:28:02,110 --> 01:28:03,736       Shit. I look at the world                 around me now,            1858 01:28:03,778 --> 01:28:05,738     and I see that that's pretty             impossible to happen.        1859 01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:07,490             So I couldn't                      in my conscience,          1860 01:28:07,532 --> 01:28:09,784          write about dreams                     and happiness.            1861 01:28:13,705 --> 01:28:17,542           [birds chirping,                     traffic passing]           1862 01:28:17,583 --> 01:28:20,712       I didn't really start going           to his house until the '90s.    1863 01:28:20,753 --> 01:28:22,964           I remember going                 and taking photos of him,      1864 01:28:23,006 --> 01:28:25,341             and that's when                   everything was changing.      1865 01:28:25,383 --> 01:28:27,135              He noticed it,           1866 01:28:27,176 --> 01:28:29,637            because he wasn't                selling out arenas anymore.     1867 01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:31,764      [Ronnie]   I got here because      I believed in the music I made,    1868 01:28:31,806 --> 01:28:35,393          and somebody liked it.             So, hey, I got a nice house.    1869 01:28:35,435 --> 01:28:37,312         You know, as I told you                  many times before,         1870 01:28:37,353 --> 01:28:38,771           I don't give a damn                    about this house.          1871 01:28:38,813 --> 01:28:40,857        What do I care about this?     1872 01:28:40,898 --> 01:28:43,067       I could sleep on this table.          I could sleep on the floor.     1873 01:28:43,109 --> 01:28:45,528           It's not important.                 It's all about playing.       1874 01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:47,447              It's all about                     playing for people.         1875 01:28:47,488 --> 01:28:49,073           It's the only thing                   that matters to me.         1876 01:28:49,115 --> 01:28:51,868       So, through the hard times,                love what you do.          1877 01:28:51,909 --> 01:28:54,162      He's one of those guys I don't       think would have ever retired    1878 01:28:54,203 --> 01:28:56,080     cause when you're an artist,               you're an artist.          1879 01:28:56,122 --> 01:28:58,207              That's what                   you do forever, you know.      1880 01:28:58,249 --> 01:29:02,211    You just...you...till you die.    1881 01:29:02,253 --> 01:29:04,589              [reporter]                   You've got such a long career.  1882 01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:06,591       You haven't had any breaks.     1883 01:29:06,632 --> 01:29:08,176        [Ronnie]   No, I never--               I haven't taken vacations.     1884 01:29:08,217 --> 01:29:09,594           I don't. I wouldn't               know what to do with myself.    1885 01:29:09,635 --> 01:29:11,054           What am I gonna do,                     lay on a beach?           1886 01:29:11,095 --> 01:29:12,680          Waste--That's a waste                      of my life.             1887 01:29:12,722 --> 01:29:15,016  Eating, sleeping, and vacations            are a waste of my life.       1888 01:29:15,058 --> 01:29:17,143       You only got so many years,               you may as well get         1889 01:29:17,185 --> 01:29:18,436          all you can out of it.                  Just grind it out,         1890 01:29:18,478 --> 01:29:20,688         bring it out, go for it       1891 01:29:20,730 --> 01:29:22,440              because I got                     a lot more to do yet.        1892 01:29:22,482 --> 01:29:25,568         Start with this one.               Title track of Dio LP #2.      1893 01:29:25,610 --> 01:29:28,488            This is called                     "The Last in Line."         1894 01:29:28,529 --> 01:29:31,199       [John]   It was very much a           different thing from the '80s.  1895 01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,909               For you,                    we especially do this one.      1896 01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:34,369              It's called                      "The Last in Line."         1897 01:29:34,410 --> 01:29:36,287           [crowd cheering]           1898 01:29:36,329 --> 01:29:38,247         But, uh, he would go to                the ends of the Earth        1899 01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:40,124       to play in front of people.     1900 01:29:40,166 --> 01:29:42,710       And I'd be the one going,           "Oh, Christ, I don't know.      1901 01:29:42,752 --> 01:29:44,796           You should think                  about this, you know?"        1902 01:29:44,837 --> 01:29:49,258       He didn't care if 80 people          showed up to a show or 80,000.  1903 01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:51,386            [Jeff]   He never                    lost sight of the guy        1904 01:29:51,427 --> 01:29:54,806         from Cortland, New York,           who, music was his salvation.    1905 01:29:54,847 --> 01:29:56,015       He never lost sight of that.    1906 01:29:56,057 --> 01:30:00,561             [vocalizing]             1907 01:30:00,603 --> 01:30:03,314      Ronnie never, ever complained.  1908 01:30:03,356 --> 01:30:06,234               You know,                     he never phoned it in.        1909 01:30:06,275 --> 01:30:08,903         That was--He couldn't             do that. It was impossible.     1910 01:30:08,945 --> 01:30:12,240     The enthusiasm and the hunger             and the conviction,         1911 01:30:12,281 --> 01:30:13,491           it was unbreakable.         1912 01:30:13,533 --> 01:30:16,536         We're off to the witch      1913 01:30:16,577 --> 01:30:18,913              We may never,                   never, never, come home      1914 01:30:18,955 --> 01:30:20,373              But the magic                       that we'll feel          1915 01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:22,417         Is worth the lifetime       1916 01:30:22,458 --> 01:30:25,711         [Wendy]   Hard rock was              out of favor. MTV was gone.     1917 01:30:25,753 --> 01:30:28,339           We got record deals                    on smaller labels.         1918 01:30:28,381 --> 01:30:31,843     [Eddie]   Ronnie just continued             to keep making records       1919 01:30:31,884 --> 01:30:34,720        and keep creating, putting            together some great bands.     1920 01:30:34,762 --> 01:30:36,055      There were some great lineups,  1921 01:30:36,097 --> 01:30:38,433             people that were                     in and out of Dio.         1922 01:30:38,474 --> 01:30:41,102           They still did some               great work during that time,    1923 01:30:41,144 --> 01:30:43,604         whether it sold anything            or anybody acknowledged it.     1924 01:30:43,646 --> 01:30:46,107         Ronnie just kept going.       1925 01:30:46,149 --> 01:30:49,444         Think about the miles               that are on that voice.       1926 01:30:49,485 --> 01:30:53,573         And I always felt maybe            he would have sort of started    1927 01:30:53,614 --> 01:30:55,825          to relax a little bit.       1928 01:30:55,867 --> 01:30:59,745      But we did four whole albums,                maybe five DVDs,          1929 01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:01,664             and he would be                      here every minute,         1930 01:31:01,706 --> 01:31:04,083               of every day                     for every part of it.        1931 01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:05,543  Being in the studio with Ronnie,  1932 01:31:05,585 --> 01:31:08,254     it was un-fucking believable.    1933 01:31:08,296 --> 01:31:10,673            He was on a level               that some people never get to    1934 01:31:10,715 --> 01:31:14,260  in their prime when they're 21.    1935 01:31:14,302 --> 01:31:16,012                 [Wyn]                      He would sing with the band     1936 01:31:16,053 --> 01:31:20,808         while they were cutting              all day long, every time.      1937 01:31:20,850 --> 01:31:23,478            I mean, I told him                a hundred times and said,      1938 01:31:23,519 --> 01:31:25,480     "We could just use the vocal           you just sang, you know,       1939 01:31:25,521 --> 01:31:27,315    every time they go through it.    1940 01:31:27,356 --> 01:31:29,400          You know, you don't               have to keep singing it."      1941 01:31:29,442 --> 01:31:32,320          He said, "No, no, no,              I'm singing with the band."     1942 01:31:32,361 --> 01:31:36,908             I said, "Okay."                He's such a remarkable person.  1943 01:31:36,949 --> 01:31:39,994      There's certain people out         there, people with conviction,    1944 01:31:40,036 --> 01:31:41,662       people who have it here.       1945 01:31:41,704 --> 01:31:44,165       "This is what I want to do,                and I'm doing it."         1946 01:31:44,207 --> 01:31:46,000              And that's all                 that should fucking matter,     1947 01:31:46,042 --> 01:31:48,628          you know, forever.          1948 01:31:48,669 --> 01:31:50,171              I must say,                   I'm not going to go away.      1949 01:31:50,213 --> 01:31:52,215        No matter what happens.       1950 01:31:52,256 --> 01:31:54,342        I'm gonna be here again           to haunt you next year, too.     1951 01:31:54,383 --> 01:31:56,511      Perhaps the year after that           and the year after that.       1952 01:31:56,552 --> 01:32:00,181        I love to do what I do         very much, and as long as people  1953 01:32:00,223 --> 01:32:03,392     will accept me for what I am,             I'll still be back          1954 01:32:03,434 --> 01:32:04,727      year after year after year            doing this, and hopefully      1955 01:32:04,769 --> 01:32:06,521    getting better at it if I can.    1956 01:32:06,562 --> 01:32:09,482       [Simon]   There was always            that hardcore faction of fans.  1957 01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:11,317         They'd always be there,       1958 01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:13,528           and, uh, he felt               immensely grateful for that.     1959 01:32:13,569 --> 01:32:15,196            Dio's the best!           1960 01:32:15,238 --> 01:32:17,240        I told him to say that.       1961 01:32:17,281 --> 01:32:18,991              [laughter]              1962 01:32:19,033 --> 01:32:21,369         If there was 200 people                    or one person,           1963 01:32:21,410 --> 01:32:24,205          he'd treat them as if             he was their long lost friend.  1964 01:32:24,247 --> 01:32:27,208        [laughs] And sometimes             we used to argue about that     1965 01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:29,210          because he'd be, like,       1966 01:32:29,252 --> 01:32:31,712           talking to two fans          till about three in the morning.  1967 01:32:31,754 --> 01:32:33,673     And we'd be going, "Come on,          Ronnie. It's time to leave.     1968 01:32:33,714 --> 01:32:35,383            We gotta get on                 the bus to the next gig."      1969 01:32:35,424 --> 01:32:37,218               He's going,                      "Yeah, just a minute."       1970 01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:40,179     [Mick]   He had this remarkable         way of, uh, remembering people  1971 01:32:40,221 --> 01:32:42,181        and what they were about.            You know, he'd see somebody,    1972 01:32:42,223 --> 01:32:44,225        you know, ten years later                    and he'd go,            1973 01:32:44,267 --> 01:32:46,811              "Oh, hi, Mary,                  how's your mother doing?"      1974 01:32:46,852 --> 01:32:48,354                [Rudy]                      "Hey, Larry, how you doing?     1975 01:32:48,396 --> 01:32:50,523        How's your cousin, Bill?"      1976 01:32:50,565 --> 01:32:52,024             And he would                  rattle on all these names.      1977 01:32:52,066 --> 01:32:53,734        And I'm going, like...        1978 01:32:53,776 --> 01:32:56,487         He would say, "Hey, wait            a minute, your dad was sick     1979 01:32:56,529 --> 01:32:58,573           last time I saw you.                    How's he doing?"          1980 01:32:58,614 --> 01:33:00,199             And you know,                   the look on fans' faces       1981 01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:02,868            would be like,                    "He remembered that?"        1982 01:33:02,910 --> 01:33:07,373    [Mick]   He fed off that energy,             that direct connection       1983 01:33:07,415 --> 01:33:09,208          with every single fan.       1984 01:33:09,250 --> 01:33:11,377                You know,                      they've got the records.      1985 01:33:11,419 --> 01:33:13,546           They got the dreams.        1986 01:33:13,588 --> 01:33:16,799        That's living in the face           of career death, if you like.    1987 01:33:16,841 --> 01:33:22,430           [guitar riffing]           1988 01:33:22,471 --> 01:33:23,264              Thank you!              1989 01:33:23,306 --> 01:33:26,517           [crowd cheering]           1990 01:33:26,559 --> 01:33:29,770                 Aah!                 1991 01:33:29,812 --> 01:33:33,024              [smacking]              1992 01:33:33,065 --> 01:33:35,776              In the movie,                    The Pick of Destiny.         1993 01:33:35,818 --> 01:33:39,280      It's, uh, the origin story            of my band, Tenacious D.       1994 01:33:39,322 --> 01:33:41,616             We took some                      creative liberties,         1995 01:33:41,657 --> 01:33:43,451           but it starts off at                the beginning, you know,      1996 01:33:43,492 --> 01:33:45,119         when I'm a kid and, uh,       1997 01:33:45,161 --> 01:33:48,372          my parents disapprove                     of my rocking.           1998 01:33:48,414 --> 01:33:51,792        You gotta praise the Lord             when you're in my home       1999 01:33:51,834 --> 01:33:55,421      And I pray to Ronnie James Dio         to please show me the way.     2000 01:33:55,463 --> 01:33:58,633                                   2001 01:33:58,674 --> 01:34:00,968           And then, he, like,               comes to life in the poster,    2002 01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:03,638       and he delivers the advice.     2003 01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:05,681  Escape your father's clutches    2004 01:34:05,723 --> 01:34:07,391                 In this                      oppressive neighborhood      2005 01:34:07,433 --> 01:34:09,101        On a journey you must go     2006 01:34:09,143 --> 01:34:13,314                 To find                       the land of Hollywood       2007 01:34:13,356 --> 01:34:15,733     A lot of people say it's the         best part of the whole movie,    2008 01:34:15,775 --> 01:34:20,071           which is awesome                   and a little bit sad,        2009 01:34:20,112 --> 01:34:23,032          'cause me and Kyle                   aren't even in it.          2010 01:34:23,074 --> 01:34:27,161      It's Dio, Meat Loaf, and a         little kid that looks like me.    2011 01:34:27,203 --> 01:34:29,246      We had to record all the songs  2012 01:34:29,288 --> 01:34:31,415           before we started                   filming the movie.          2013 01:34:31,457 --> 01:34:32,917            Can you play it                    for me from the end         2014 01:34:32,958 --> 01:34:36,003       of "Go my--Now, go my son         and rock" into the softer bit?    2015 01:34:36,045 --> 01:34:40,174    So, he came over to the studio,   and, um, he brought a microphone  2016 01:34:40,216 --> 01:34:43,844         still, like, attached               to a stand with a cord.       2017 01:34:43,886 --> 01:34:45,763           And he was like,                    "I brought my mic,"         2018 01:34:45,805 --> 01:34:48,140            and we're like,                  "Awesome, but you know,       2019 01:34:48,182 --> 01:34:51,185     we're at John King's Studio.             He's a dust brother.         2020 01:34:51,227 --> 01:34:53,854      We've got, like, the best mics             in the world here.         2021 01:34:53,896 --> 01:34:55,690            Let's try it on               the Sennheiser 5000, first."     2022 01:34:55,731 --> 01:34:57,441          He was like, "Sure,               whatever you want to do."      2023 01:34:57,483 --> 01:34:59,318             And this sounds                   like I'm making this up       2024 01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,946            but dude laid down                   such a heavy vocal,         2025 01:35:01,987 --> 01:35:04,699        it, like, was distorting.      2026 01:35:04,740 --> 01:35:07,034  We're all just like, "Holy fuck,         turn down the levels."        2027 01:35:07,076 --> 01:35:09,328     "I did turn down the levels!"    2028 01:35:09,370 --> 01:35:13,749     And so, then he said, "Let's         take out the Sennheiser 5000,    2029 01:35:13,791 --> 01:35:17,336      bring in the Robotron 6000.                  This is--"              2030 01:35:17,378 --> 01:35:19,338       And it's like, you know.       2031 01:35:19,380 --> 01:35:21,382        We went through, like,               three different, like,        2032 01:35:21,424 --> 01:35:24,719    state-of-the-art, cutting edge         bleeding edge microphones.      2033 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,222           And he was just,                   like, too big a voice        2034 01:35:28,264 --> 01:35:29,890    for these fucking microphones.    2035 01:35:29,932 --> 01:35:30,933              And he's like,                  "I kind of told you guys.      2036 01:35:30,975 --> 01:35:33,477              "That's why                     I bring my own mic."         2037 01:35:33,519 --> 01:35:35,479         And so, they're like,                     "Oh, yeah."             2038 01:35:35,521 --> 01:35:38,065     And they plugged in his mic,            and it was like, ding.        2039 01:35:38,107 --> 01:35:40,735           And it was like,                 it just sounded like Dio.      2040 01:35:40,776 --> 01:35:43,571            Now, go, my son          2041 01:35:43,612 --> 01:35:48,576                And rock             2042 01:35:48,617 --> 01:35:51,078                                    2043 01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:52,913              [applause]              2044 01:35:52,955 --> 01:35:54,874             - [laughter]                          - Oh, yeah.             2045 01:35:54,915 --> 01:35:56,917      Yeah, I just can't believe            this is really happening.      2046 01:35:56,959 --> 01:36:01,255       I just felt an obligation           to thank him for, you know,     2047 01:36:01,297 --> 01:36:05,801       gracing us with his gift              of, uh, of his singing        2048 01:36:05,843 --> 01:36:08,179        and--and music ability                  and inspiration.           2049 01:36:08,220 --> 01:36:11,098       It was deeply moving to me.     2050 01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:13,350               Holy diver            2051 01:36:13,392 --> 01:36:16,312        You've been down too long               in the midnight sea        2052 01:36:16,353 --> 01:36:19,690       Oh, what's becoming of me     2053 01:36:19,732 --> 01:36:21,692                Look out             2054 01:36:21,734 --> 01:36:23,444             Ride the tiger          2055 01:36:23,486 --> 01:36:26,363        You can see his stripes,              but you know he's clean      2056 01:36:26,405 --> 01:36:29,992                   Oh,                       don't you see what I mean     2057 01:36:30,034 --> 01:36:31,619            Whatever happens,                     wherever you are,          2058 01:36:31,660 --> 01:36:34,914              as a musician,                 you have to play through it.    2059 01:36:34,955 --> 01:36:36,415      Let the music push through                and play through           2060 01:36:36,457 --> 01:36:38,250        and still stay strong.        2061 01:36:38,292 --> 01:36:40,795                  Yeah               2062 01:36:40,836 --> 01:36:42,630            The music industry                    and music, it's--          2063 01:36:42,671 --> 01:36:44,507         everything has a season.      2064 01:36:44,548 --> 01:36:46,926             People missed                  that kind of music again.      2065 01:36:46,967 --> 01:36:50,137          I'll never forget it.               I was married to a woman.      2066 01:36:50,179 --> 01:36:52,598     She had two boys and they had          a ball because they were       2067 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,100     kicking my ass in   Guitar Hero             with "Holy Diver."          2068 01:36:55,142 --> 01:36:57,645           I was getting my ass                 kicked on   Guitar Hero        2069 01:36:57,686 --> 01:37:00,231       by these two nine-year-olds                  on a Dio song            2070 01:37:00,272 --> 01:37:02,983           and I was in Dio,               for fuck's sake, you know?      2071 01:37:03,025 --> 01:37:05,444               Holy diver            2072 01:37:05,486 --> 01:37:07,404             Sole survivor           2073 01:37:07,446 --> 01:37:09,907                [Mick]                 Suddenly, rock and heavy metal,    2074 01:37:09,949 --> 01:37:13,536      people are starting to dig it.          It's not a passing fad.       2075 01:37:13,577 --> 01:37:15,204              It's something                    much deeper than that.       2076 01:37:15,246 --> 01:37:17,456             And sure enough,                    within a few years,         2077 01:37:17,498 --> 01:37:20,626      the whole classic rock market                  has matured.            2078 01:37:20,668 --> 01:37:23,420           And it's the ones                that really, really mean       2079 01:37:23,462 --> 01:37:27,007          something to people               that will always endure.       2080 01:37:27,049 --> 01:37:29,844    [Wendy]   And we got a phone call           from the record label.       2081 01:37:29,885 --> 01:37:32,888  And they're going to re-release          the Dio years with Sabbath.     2082 01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:35,182           And I don't know,              out of the blue, Ronnie goes,    2083 01:37:35,224 --> 01:37:37,643      "Well, maybe we should just           write a couple of songs."      2084 01:37:37,685 --> 01:37:41,355         We worked on these songs               to go into the box set       2085 01:37:41,397 --> 01:37:44,817    and, uh, we really enjoyed it.         We really enjoyed doing it.     2086 01:37:44,859 --> 01:37:46,610         When we got together,        2087 01:37:46,652 --> 01:37:48,404        it was like old friends                  meeting again.            2088 01:37:48,445 --> 01:37:50,906             I don't know.             just a certain vibe that you get  2089 01:37:50,948 --> 01:37:53,325        that just feels right.        2090 01:37:53,367 --> 01:37:56,787             And we said,                  "Well, let's get together,      2091 01:37:56,829 --> 01:37:58,873       "Let's make another album                 and go on tours           2092 01:37:58,914 --> 01:38:01,542                and get                     the band back together."       2093 01:38:01,584 --> 01:38:03,377       [Wendy]   And they decided            they were not going to call it  2094 01:38:03,419 --> 01:38:05,713        Black Sabbath, this time.      2095 01:38:05,754 --> 01:38:07,548             They were going                 to call it Heaven and Hell.     2096 01:38:10,801 --> 01:38:13,554              All right,                   let's check this out, guys.     2097 01:38:13,596 --> 01:38:16,932         Oh, for God's sakes,                     my eyes suck.            2098 01:38:16,974 --> 01:38:19,810       Can you tell me which...       2099 01:38:19,852 --> 01:38:21,687       God, I'm a little jittery                  from coffee.             2100 01:38:21,729 --> 01:38:23,647          [guitar riff playing]        2101 01:38:23,689 --> 01:38:27,109            Now to pretend           2102 01:38:27,151 --> 01:38:30,362         And make up an ending       2103 01:38:30,404 --> 01:38:32,948               Somewhere             2104 01:38:32,990 --> 01:38:37,661                Far away             2105 01:38:37,703 --> 01:38:41,248    Here's one thing that is true.    2106 01:38:41,290 --> 01:38:46,295  I think that Ronnie James Dio's                 best-ever song           2107 01:38:46,337 --> 01:38:50,841         was his very last song,            which was called "Bible Black"  2108 01:38:50,883 --> 01:38:53,510         off the   Heaven and Hell                       record.               2109 01:38:53,552 --> 01:38:56,013      How many artists can say that    2110 01:38:56,055 --> 01:38:58,724            their last single                    was among the best?         2111 01:38:58,766 --> 01:39:01,894          To me, it's the best.                   I love that song.          2112 01:39:01,936 --> 01:39:03,562        Thank God, I remembered                to say that on here         2113 01:39:03,604 --> 01:39:05,564      because it's totally true.               You can put it on.          2114 01:39:05,606 --> 01:39:07,691            Thank me later.           2115 01:39:07,733 --> 01:39:10,569              Bible black            2116 01:39:10,611 --> 01:39:13,989                                    2117 01:39:14,031 --> 01:39:15,741          How heavy is that?!         2118 01:39:15,783 --> 01:39:21,497                                   2119 01:39:21,538 --> 01:39:24,041        What's this world I see?     2120 01:39:24,083 --> 01:39:26,794               Who are you                        and who are me?          2121 01:39:26,835 --> 01:39:29,004                 The fact                   that Ronnie got back together    2122 01:39:29,046 --> 01:39:32,216                with Tony                       and Geezer and Vinnie,       2123 01:39:32,257 --> 01:39:36,261         I've never known him                  quite so, uh, Zen.          2124 01:39:36,303 --> 01:39:39,264           This was exactly              the way it was supposed to be.    2125 01:39:39,306 --> 01:39:41,600    Just like the early days, just         like   Heaven and Hell   again.     2126 01:39:41,642 --> 01:39:44,979     And it was just so much fun.               It was just, wow.          2127 01:39:45,020 --> 01:39:48,691  [Wendy]   Everybody was absolutely        kickin' ass, being friends.     2128 01:39:48,732 --> 01:39:51,652           Everybody was having             such an amazing time together.  2129 01:39:51,694 --> 01:39:53,278        [Mick]   You could tell.        2130 01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:56,448             Even Iommi would                    smile occasionally.         2131 01:39:56,490 --> 01:39:59,284          It was really great              because we've gone through      2132 01:39:59,326 --> 01:40:01,245    a lot together over the years.    2133 01:40:01,286 --> 01:40:03,497              And you get                 to appreciate things a lot--     2134 01:40:03,539 --> 01:40:06,125      Sometimes you can't see it           when you're involved in it.     2135 01:40:06,166 --> 01:40:08,919     But later on, you think, "Oh,       wow, that was great." You know?  2136 01:40:08,961 --> 01:40:13,340        We seemed to have grown          out of all our miserable days.    2137 01:40:13,382 --> 01:40:15,843         Life's too short now.            You realize as you get older,    2138 01:40:15,884 --> 01:40:20,305            you go, "Why carry                 a grudge or be unhappy?"      2139 01:40:20,347 --> 01:40:22,516          [Rob]   You realize,                  you know, you don't get       2140 01:40:22,558 --> 01:40:24,977                these kind                   of friendships, really good,    2141 01:40:25,019 --> 01:40:27,855           strong friendships.                 They're so hard to get.       2142 01:40:27,896 --> 01:40:29,857         [Ronnie]   So, this is               a wonderful, wonderful time     2143 01:40:29,898 --> 01:40:31,692           of all of our lives.        2144 01:40:31,734 --> 01:40:33,485            Heaven and Hell                  has made great difference      2145 01:40:33,527 --> 01:40:36,363         in just my, my attitude                as a human being now.        2146 01:40:36,405 --> 01:40:38,866               Let him go                       He can't come back         2147 01:40:38,907 --> 01:40:44,371              He's reading                     from the Bible Black        2148 01:40:44,413 --> 01:40:47,082        [Vinny]   Heaven and Hell               took off. It was killer.      2149 01:40:47,124 --> 01:40:50,586     [Rob]   Got a great reception.            The album did really well.     2150 01:40:50,627 --> 01:40:54,006        [Mick]   Heaven and Hell             embodied a time when the big,    2151 01:40:54,048 --> 01:40:59,386       major, important heavy metal             stars were authentic.        2152 01:40:59,428 --> 01:41:02,556        They didn't learn it from            the bands that came before.     2153 01:41:02,598 --> 01:41:06,101    They didn't learn it from MTV.              They invented it.          2154 01:41:06,143 --> 01:41:08,687             Heaven and Hell                     is an important band        2155 01:41:08,729 --> 01:41:10,898               because they                      came along at a time        2156 01:41:10,939 --> 01:41:12,900             when you need                     a kick in the ass.          2157 01:41:12,941 --> 01:41:15,861           And there's this man                 all these years later,       2158 01:41:15,903 --> 01:41:18,781        still loving what he does            to do as a legendary singer.    2159 01:41:18,822 --> 01:41:22,201      That's remarkable, considering           we go all the way back       2160 01:41:22,242 --> 01:41:24,912           to The Red Caps.           2161 01:41:24,953 --> 01:41:27,581        [Mick]   It was like all             the chickens were coming home    2162 01:41:27,623 --> 01:41:30,584      to roost, and Heaven and Hell                  was as much             2163 01:41:30,626 --> 01:41:34,713          about the culmination               of his journey, his music,     2164 01:41:34,755 --> 01:41:37,925          his universe, the love               he gave out every night       2165 01:41:37,966 --> 01:41:39,593           he walked on stage.         2166 01:41:39,635 --> 01:41:41,428             It seemed to me                     that Heaven and Hell        2167 01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:46,058          was the encompassment                of all that good stuff.       2168 01:41:46,100 --> 01:41:48,602    [Don]   It was awesome. I went to        a couple of different shows.    2169 01:41:48,644 --> 01:41:52,231               There he was                 in a 20,000-seat arena again.    2170 01:41:52,272 --> 01:41:54,274             And it was like,                "Ah, you're back home, man."    2171 01:41:54,316 --> 01:41:57,319              Thank you!              2172 01:41:57,361 --> 01:42:01,281         [song ends, cheering]        2173 01:42:01,323 --> 01:42:03,992         [cheers and applause]        2174 01:42:10,958 --> 01:42:12,960                [Tony]                      It was absolutely fantastic.    2175 01:42:13,001 --> 01:42:15,129              Everybody was                  enjoying what we were doing.    2176 01:42:15,170 --> 01:42:17,256          And I remember sitting               with Ronnie and saying,       2177 01:42:17,297 --> 01:42:19,174         "You know, do you fancy                doing another album?"        2178 01:42:19,216 --> 01:42:22,803                 He said,                    "Yeah, I'll be up for that."    2179 01:42:22,845 --> 01:42:25,806     But of course, we never did.     2180 01:42:28,350 --> 01:42:30,394            This is Damian                 with BlackSabbath.com here,     2181 01:42:30,435 --> 01:42:32,271               backstage                      with Ronnie James Dio        2182 01:42:32,312 --> 01:42:33,981           after performing                the last show on the tour.      2183 01:42:34,022 --> 01:42:36,984            Ronnie, sum up                the tour for us. How was it?     2184 01:42:37,025 --> 01:42:41,321  Uh, it was, uh, tiring. It was--  2185 01:42:41,363 --> 01:42:43,157         Every show was great,                     as always.              2186 01:42:43,198 --> 01:42:44,825     This band is never not great.    2187 01:42:44,867 --> 01:42:46,827             Uh, it was--                    It was very productive.       2188 01:42:46,869 --> 01:42:48,829        We've been on the road             for such a long, long time.     2189 01:42:48,871 --> 01:42:50,622        Uh, you know, the music             made all the difference,       2190 01:42:50,664 --> 01:42:52,166           the shows we did                 made all the difference.       2191 01:42:52,207 --> 01:42:53,667     And that's all why we do it.     2192 01:42:53,709 --> 01:42:55,335      So, I guess I'll you know,      2193 01:42:55,377 --> 01:42:57,504    I'll give it a nine and a half                 out of ten.             2194 01:42:57,546 --> 01:42:59,548    And is that half point because         of a little bit of sadness      2195 01:42:59,590 --> 01:43:01,508     that now the tour is ending?     2196 01:43:01,550 --> 01:43:02,885          Or is this actually                    the beginning,            2197 01:43:02,926 --> 01:43:04,636      the start of something new?     2198 01:43:04,678 --> 01:43:06,346            You always say,                   "Well, gee, maybe I--        2199 01:43:06,388 --> 01:43:10,142       I'm going home. Oh, what          am I gonna do when I get home?    2200 01:43:10,184 --> 01:43:11,810  Maybe we should have done more."  2201 01:43:11,852 --> 01:43:13,312              Of course,               there's always sadness for that,  2202 01:43:13,353 --> 01:43:15,522         but, uh, we will do--                   we'll do more,            2203 01:43:15,564 --> 01:43:17,274               and we'll                   probably do another album,      2204 01:43:17,316 --> 01:43:19,484          and I'm sure we'll               certainly do another tour.      2205 01:43:19,526 --> 01:43:22,863    And for me, I know nothing else         other than to--to play.       2206 01:43:22,905 --> 01:43:26,450                                   2207 01:43:26,491 --> 01:43:28,744        [Doug]   Yeah, it was on                the last--We didn't know      2208 01:43:28,785 --> 01:43:31,580           it was the last tour             at the time. Heaven and Hell.    2209 01:43:31,622 --> 01:43:34,541            And before he was               going on stage, he'd be, like,  2210 01:43:34,583 --> 01:43:39,046        doubled up some nights,           terrible pain in the stomach.    2211 01:43:39,087 --> 01:43:42,049      And we're going, "Come on,          Ronnie. Go and see a doctor."    2212 01:43:42,090 --> 01:43:44,051     And he's going, "No, it will             pass. It will pass."         2213 01:43:44,092 --> 01:43:45,802      And he'd go on, as if nothing    2214 01:43:45,844 --> 01:43:47,471               was going on                     when he got on stage.        2215 01:43:47,512 --> 01:43:49,181      He was just the usual Ronnie.    2216 01:43:49,223 --> 01:43:51,141            He wouldn't let it                   interfere with him.         2217 01:43:51,183 --> 01:43:53,810        And then, he'd come off          and he'd be doubled up in pain.  2218 01:43:53,852 --> 01:43:55,479       [Wendy]   He'd had problems                  for about a year          2219 01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,899           of, um, indigestion.        2220 01:43:58,941 --> 01:44:02,319        So he did a blood test.               The doctor called me         2221 01:44:02,361 --> 01:44:04,154             and he said,                     "It's not good news."        2222 01:44:04,196 --> 01:44:06,865         somber instrumental        2223 01:44:06,907 --> 01:44:10,744         When we first found out                 that he had cancer,         2224 01:44:10,786 --> 01:44:14,081      the two of us cried all night.  2225 01:44:14,122 --> 01:44:16,541       My life fell apart then.       2226 01:44:16,583 --> 01:44:20,170             I...Actually,                  Ronnie was comforting   me.      2227 01:44:20,212 --> 01:44:22,923    That night, when we both cried,          he was comforting me         2228 01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:26,260       'cause I was hysterically              crying. I couldn't--         2229 01:44:26,301 --> 01:44:30,347         I just couldn't think               of life without Ronnie.       2230 01:44:30,389 --> 01:44:32,766           You know, I mean,              I just couldn't think of life    2231 01:44:32,808 --> 01:44:34,685        without Ronnie at all.        2232 01:44:34,726 --> 01:44:37,729       And he was comforting me,                   telling me,             2233 01:44:37,771 --> 01:44:40,274        "It's going to be okay,              it's going to be okay."       2234 01:44:40,315 --> 01:44:42,526            somber music            2235 01:44:42,567 --> 01:44:47,281            Every time I tried              to express concern and direct    2236 01:44:47,322 --> 01:44:49,116         the conversation towards              what he was dealing with      2237 01:44:49,157 --> 01:44:51,410      and let him know that I loved            him and I cared for him,      2238 01:44:51,451 --> 01:44:53,787         and I was there for him,       if I could do anything for him,    2239 01:44:53,829 --> 01:44:56,873       a lot of the conversation           was about him lifting   me   up     2240 01:44:56,915 --> 01:44:59,459       and making   me   feel good.       2241 01:44:59,501 --> 01:45:01,628         Where I was supposed               to be doing that to him,       2242 01:45:01,670 --> 01:45:04,965          as much as I tried,             that kept coming back to me.     2243 01:45:05,007 --> 01:45:07,551          [Wendy]   Ronnie lost          the eyesight in one of his eyes.  2244 01:45:07,592 --> 01:45:10,429             Also, his hands                   started shaking as well.      2245 01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:12,014              [producer]                     Did he lose his voice?        2246 01:45:12,055 --> 01:45:15,267                No. No.                     Never lost his voice. No.      2247 01:45:15,309 --> 01:45:18,437                Um, no.                    That would have killed him.     2248 01:45:18,478 --> 01:45:22,107      [reporter] A heavy metal music             icon is in Houston         2249 01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:24,484           dealing with some                 serious health issues.        2250 01:45:24,526 --> 01:45:26,486             The staff are                     just so wonderful.          2251 01:45:26,528 --> 01:45:28,822    They just are the best people,               as you can see.           2252 01:45:28,864 --> 01:45:30,782              [reporter]                    This is the Ronnie James Dio    2253 01:45:30,824 --> 01:45:32,659        few people have ever seen.     2254 01:45:32,701 --> 01:45:35,370         He's a bit soft-spoken.                    He's relaxed.            2255 01:45:35,412 --> 01:45:38,081         Dio has stomach cancer.       2256 01:45:38,123 --> 01:45:40,292           You know, I've been                poked and prodded in holes     2257 01:45:40,334 --> 01:45:42,127      I didn't know I had before,               and they probably          2258 01:45:42,169 --> 01:45:44,463     made a few new ones. I don't           even know where they are.      2259 01:45:44,504 --> 01:45:46,673                I'm lucky                    that I am a very, you know,     2260 01:45:46,715 --> 01:45:48,842          hard person and strong                  within my beliefs.         2261 01:45:48,884 --> 01:45:50,844              [reporter]                     Dio calls this experience      2262 01:45:50,886 --> 01:45:52,637        "Something to roll with."      2263 01:45:52,679 --> 01:45:54,973         I refuse to be beaten              in any way, shape or form      2264 01:45:55,015 --> 01:45:56,516             so I'm going                      to beat this, too.          2265 01:45:56,558 --> 01:45:58,018      I just want to get better.      2266 01:45:58,060 --> 01:46:00,270       I just want to be cured,                     you know?              2267 01:46:00,312 --> 01:46:02,606    [Wendy]   They were trying a lot         of experimental drugs on him.    2268 01:46:02,647 --> 01:46:05,359             So, eyesight                     came completely back.        2269 01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:06,943      His hands stopped shaking.      2270 01:46:06,985 --> 01:46:09,613              [reporter]                   Wendy Dio is always with him.    2271 01:46:09,654 --> 01:46:11,740              The treatment                      seems to be working.        2272 01:46:11,782 --> 01:46:16,286          She says the tumor in         his stomach is getting smaller.    2273 01:46:16,328 --> 01:46:18,246      [Wendy]   We used to call it               "killing the dragon."        2274 01:46:18,288 --> 01:46:19,581             We used to skip                    down the halls going,        2275 01:46:19,623 --> 01:46:20,916        "We're killing the dragon.     2276 01:46:20,957 --> 01:46:23,585           We're coming to kill                      the dragon."            2277 01:46:23,627 --> 01:46:26,588     And the Golden God goes to...    2278 01:46:26,630 --> 01:46:31,468         Ah! Ronnie James Dio!        2279 01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:34,805    [Wendy]   About the Golden Gods,           I remember very much that      2280 01:46:34,846 --> 01:46:37,349             because that was                 the night that we thought,     2281 01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,018             "This is it.                     He's back on track."         2282 01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:42,854           It's great to be                back amongst people again.      2283 01:46:42,896 --> 01:46:45,273    It's been a little while since         I've been able to do that,      2284 01:46:45,315 --> 01:46:47,317        but I feel pretty good.       2285 01:46:47,359 --> 01:46:50,070        Can't wait to get back           on the stage again. Thank you.    2286 01:46:50,112 --> 01:46:51,446              Thank you.                      Thank you. Thank you.        2287 01:46:51,488 --> 01:46:52,864           I love everybody.                      Thanks a lot.            2288 01:46:52,906 --> 01:46:55,659           [crowd cheering]           2289 01:46:55,700 --> 01:46:58,036       [chanting] Dio, Dio, Dio!      2290 01:46:58,078 --> 01:47:00,580           "Dio, Dio, Dio."                 Yeah, they were chanting       2291 01:47:00,622 --> 01:47:05,252    because I think that they also     were being as positive as I was.  2292 01:47:05,293 --> 01:47:06,628      It's all going to be over.      2293 01:47:06,670 --> 01:47:08,004            It's all going                     to be a bad dream.          2294 01:47:08,046 --> 01:47:09,881        [crowd] Dio! Dio! Dio!        2295 01:47:19,015 --> 01:47:21,143                 [Wyn]                         During   Angry Machines,       2296 01:47:21,184 --> 01:47:23,186             the first record                   I ever made with him,        2297 01:47:23,228 --> 01:47:25,730           the record was done,        2298 01:47:25,772 --> 01:47:29,151      and he came in and he said,          "I wanna do one more song."     2299 01:47:29,192 --> 01:47:31,945            And I thought,                "Oh, really? You mean, so--"     2300 01:47:31,987 --> 01:47:35,073     I thought he meant, you know,          bring the whole band in.       2301 01:47:35,115 --> 01:47:36,658          And he said, "Oh, no,                   it's just gonna be         2302 01:47:36,700 --> 01:47:38,076         just me and some piano."      2303 01:47:38,118 --> 01:47:39,369              And I thought,                      "Oh, okay, cool."          2304 01:47:39,411 --> 01:47:41,830            And just went out                    and sang that song,         2305 01:47:41,872 --> 01:47:43,582           "This is Your Life."        2306 01:47:45,333 --> 01:47:48,128      ["This Is Your Life" playing]    2307 01:47:51,965 --> 01:47:55,927           There are people                 in this world that are...      2308 01:47:55,969 --> 01:47:59,681      There are people that make            the world a better place.      2309 01:47:59,723 --> 01:48:05,479                Who cares                        what came before          2310 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:10,817         We were only starlight      2311 01:48:12,569 --> 01:48:15,989         One day then nevermore      2312 01:48:16,031 --> 01:48:20,619        And he was one of them.       2313 01:48:20,660 --> 01:48:25,665              Because we're                    whispers in the wind        2314 01:48:25,707 --> 01:48:28,543    [Wendy]   He was in the hospital.              Everybody left.           2315 01:48:28,585 --> 01:48:31,838       I slept on the bed with him,               holding his hand.          2316 01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,592           It was like 7:15                      in the morning,           2317 01:48:35,634 --> 01:48:39,429          and he just, like,                shot up and looked at me.      2318 01:48:39,471 --> 01:48:41,223     And I was calling the nurse.                  It's fine.              2319 01:48:41,264 --> 01:48:43,767        Like, what's happened?                  And then he died.          2320 01:48:43,808 --> 01:48:46,728       It was like--it was like,          almost like he said goodbye.     2321 01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:51,900            This is your life                    This is your time         2322 01:48:51,942 --> 01:48:56,279            What if the flame                   won't last forever?        2323 01:48:56,321 --> 01:49:00,534           Ronnie and I had              a mutual friend that called me,  2324 01:49:00,575 --> 01:49:02,994       and I heard him in tears,      2325 01:49:03,036 --> 01:49:05,997        and he just said to me,                   "He's gone."             2326 01:49:06,039 --> 01:49:08,959      [voice breaking] And, um...     2327 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,378      Sorry, 'cause it's still...     2328 01:49:15,924 --> 01:49:17,676     Ronnie was that special, man.    2329 01:49:17,717 --> 01:49:21,304        All these years later,                it can still hit ya.         2330 01:49:21,346 --> 01:49:26,017  [Lita]   He was the heart and soul             of so many things,         2331 01:49:26,059 --> 01:49:28,186              so much music.           2332 01:49:28,228 --> 01:49:31,273       You don't always see that              while it's happening         2333 01:49:31,314 --> 01:49:34,568          because you feel like                 there's gonna be more.       2334 01:49:34,609 --> 01:49:38,655            When Ronnie died,                     there wasn't more.         2335 01:49:38,697 --> 01:49:41,616         There's not more Ronnies                     out there.             2336 01:49:41,658 --> 01:49:45,912              [sniffling]             2337 01:49:45,954 --> 01:49:50,000          He was the real deal.                 That's who he was--is.       2338 01:49:50,041 --> 01:49:51,793        To me it's all about "is."     2339 01:49:51,835 --> 01:49:53,420       Ronnie still is in my head,     2340 01:49:53,461 --> 01:49:57,340              in my ears,                    you know, in my heart.        2341 01:49:57,382 --> 01:50:01,720        [Rob]   Most importantly,            the music is what lets us know  2342 01:50:01,761 --> 01:50:03,179           that Ronnie is alive                  and living with us.         2343 01:50:03,221 --> 01:50:05,557       Ronnie's beautiful messages                  in his songs,            2344 01:50:05,599 --> 01:50:07,309                you know,                      they're lifting people.       2345 01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:10,687        They're helping people get          through their own challenges.    2346 01:50:10,729 --> 01:50:11,938  These are the beautiful elements                 of Ronnie              2347 01:50:11,980 --> 01:50:13,398         that will live forever.       2348 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,775     That's why he's everlasting.     2349 01:50:15,817 --> 01:50:18,278       [Mick]   And that's one of            the things he once said to me.  2350 01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:22,574      He said, "The important thing          is it isn't just what you do    2351 01:50:22,616 --> 01:50:26,077           and what you learn,"         He said, "You gotta pass it on.    2352 01:50:26,119 --> 01:50:29,956       Then you've lived a life                  worth living."            2353 01:50:29,998 --> 01:50:32,917      And now he passed his message             on to millions of us.        2354 01:50:32,959 --> 01:50:36,129        The message is, if you do              put your heart and soul       2355 01:50:36,171 --> 01:50:39,716          into something, no one             can take that away from you.    2356 01:50:39,758 --> 01:50:41,384              If you really                     have something to say,       2357 01:50:41,426 --> 01:50:42,927               if you have                     that love in your heart,      2358 01:50:42,969 --> 01:50:46,473            that really is                  the most important thing.      2359 01:50:46,514 --> 01:50:48,933                                   2360 01:50:48,975 --> 01:50:51,269                [Craig]                There's a quote that I live by,    2361 01:50:51,311 --> 01:50:53,521      that Ronnie definitely nailed,  2362 01:50:53,563 --> 01:50:55,649           is from Horace Mann,                     the educator.            2363 01:50:55,690 --> 01:50:57,484       He said, "Be ashamed to die     2364 01:50:57,525 --> 01:51:01,780          until you've won some                 victory for mankind."        2365 01:51:01,821 --> 01:51:04,199     Ronnie ought not be ashamed.     2366 01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,326           This is your life         2367 01:51:06,368 --> 01:51:08,370           This is your time         2368 01:51:08,411 --> 01:51:11,247           Look at your world        2369 01:51:11,289 --> 01:51:16,503           This is your life         2370 01:51:17,212 --> 01:51:19,714      I still talk to him, but it's            not like talking to him.      2371 01:51:19,756 --> 01:51:24,761         You know? I miss him.                     [sniffles]              2372 01:51:24,803 --> 01:51:27,430        The fans are still there.      2373 01:51:27,472 --> 01:51:30,350             I'm sure Ronnie                   would love to know that.      2374 01:51:30,392 --> 01:51:33,520        He would love to know that            his memory is still there.     2375 01:51:33,561 --> 01:51:35,480           He's not forgotten.                He'll never be forgotten.      2376 01:51:35,522 --> 01:51:38,483       I will never allow him to be          forgotten as long as I live.    2377 01:51:38,525 --> 01:51:42,195                                   2378 01:51:50,328 --> 01:51:55,208      I believe in reincarnation.     2379 01:51:55,250 --> 01:51:57,335             I think you have                  to be the ultimate being      2380 01:51:57,377 --> 01:51:59,379      before you get to that point.    2381 01:51:59,421 --> 01:52:01,381       You have to keep coming back             till you get it right.       2382 01:52:01,423 --> 01:52:06,261       I think Ronnie got it right.    2383 01:52:06,302 --> 01:52:08,888  I really think he got it right.    2384 01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:11,891                                   2385 01:52:16,521 --> 01:52:19,441                                   2386 01:52:31,286 --> 01:52:34,164     ["The Last in Line" playing]     2387 01:52:42,797 --> 01:52:45,759                                   2388 01:52:58,313 --> 01:53:01,941             We're the ship                       without a storm          2389 01:53:01,983 --> 01:53:04,569                The cold                         without the warm          2390 01:53:04,611 --> 01:53:07,155       Light inside the darkness     2391 01:53:07,197 --> 01:53:10,992          That it needs, yeah        2392 01:53:11,034 --> 01:53:14,621       We're a laugh without tear    2393 01:53:14,662 --> 01:53:17,332       The hope without the fear     2394 01:53:17,373 --> 01:53:23,588            We are coming...         2395 01:53:23,630 --> 01:53:28,551                  Home               2396 01:53:28,593 --> 01:53:30,386             [vocalizing]             2397 01:53:30,428 --> 01:53:34,349                                   2398 01:53:45,985 --> 01:53:48,822         We're off to the witch      2399 01:53:48,863 --> 01:53:51,407          We may never, never,                   never, come home          2400 01:53:51,449 --> 01:53:54,077  But the magic that we'll feel    2401 01:53:54,118 --> 01:53:56,329         Is worth the lifetime       2402 01:53:56,371 --> 01:53:59,833  We're all born upon the cross    2403 01:53:59,874 --> 01:54:02,418             We're the throw                      before the toss          2404 01:54:02,460 --> 01:54:04,587        You can release yourself     2405 01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:08,299        But the only way is down     2406 01:54:08,341 --> 01:54:10,885          We don't come alone        2407 01:54:10,927 --> 01:54:13,763       We are fire, we are stone     2408 01:54:13,805 --> 01:54:15,431       We're the hand that writes    2409 01:54:15,473 --> 01:54:20,436        Then quickly moves away      2410 01:54:20,478 --> 01:54:25,441  We'll know for the first time    2411 01:54:25,483 --> 01:54:27,569                                    2412 01:54:27,610 --> 01:54:29,988        If we're evil or divine      2413 01:54:30,029 --> 01:54:34,325         We're the last in line      2414 01:54:34,367 --> 01:54:35,326                  Yeah               2415 01:54:35,368 --> 01:54:38,913         We're the last in line      2416 01:54:38,955 --> 01:54:40,665                                   2417 01:54:40,707 --> 01:54:44,502            See how we shine         2418 01:54:44,544 --> 01:54:46,462           We're the last in         2419 01:54:46,504 --> 01:54:47,839            We're the last in        2420 01:54:47,881 --> 01:54:49,507           We're the last in         2421 01:54:49,549 --> 01:54:50,884            We're the last in        2422 01:54:50,925 --> 01:54:52,218           We're the last in         2423 01:54:52,260 --> 01:54:55,346        We're the first in line      2424 01:54:55,388 --> 01:54:58,349                 Oh-oh               2425 01:54:58,391 --> 01:55:01,311                                   2426 01:55:04,105 --> 01:55:06,524      We're a ship without a storm  2427 01:55:06,566 --> 01:55:09,152  We're the cold inside the warm  2428 01:55:09,193 --> 01:55:11,946             We're the laugh                     without the tear          2429 01:55:11,988 --> 01:55:14,616             We're the smile                    without the mirror         2430 01:55:14,657 --> 01:55:17,660         We're the last in line      2431 01:55:17,702 --> 01:55:20,288          We're the last in line     2432 01:55:20,330 --> 01:55:22,540         We're the last in line      2433 01:55:22,582 --> 01:55:25,293            See how we shine         2434 01:55:25,335 --> 01:55:31,299         We're the last in line      2435 01:55:31,341 --> 01:55:34,260                                   315163

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