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[static crackles]

- [Woman] Oh, it's got too many words on here.

May cause slut fucking, intoxication,

alcoholism, drug addiction, copulation,

sexual harassment and masturbation.

[heartbeat thuds]

[energetic rock music]

- [Woman] Mentors were known to be

one of the most offensive--

- [Narrator] The demonstrators say the three member group

promotes sexual violence against women and children,

and perpetuates the myth that women want rape.

- [Woman] The most hated band in the universe.

- [Man] You guys ready for some rape rock?

[audience cheers]

[Audience Member] Rape rock!

[audience cheers and applauds]

♪ Your body looks so fine

♪ I wanna make it mine

♪ You are my personal whore

♪ You can smell my butt

♪ Like a dirty slut

♪ Smell it

[crowd cheers]

[Man] That's rape rock, rape rock right there!

[crowd cheers]

[soft piano music]

- I am Mama Duce, El Duce's Mother.

My husband, Walter, had played

the violin when he was younger,

and then my older boy took up the guitar,

and had his own band, then Eldon was interested in drums.

[drum beat thuds]

We played a lot of music at home.

We had Kristofferson and country music.

He had a lot of friends in school, always through school,

but he was anxious to get out of school.

He did not care about going to school very much.

[drums thud]

- I remember the first time they got together.

It was called The Eldon Hoke Band.

Dr. Heathen Scum, Sickie Wifebeater, and Eldon.

I was 13 and so Eldon would have been

about approximately 16, I was totally like Eldon,

into trouble and over the next maybe two years,

it morphed into the full on Mentors.

Eldon became El Duce.

[drums thud]

- [Man] Yeah!

[group whistles and cheers]

- Fueled by the booze, his alcoholism started like 13, 14.

He'd have a bottle of cough syrup

and he'd chug the whole bottle of cough syrup.

Relationship with his dad was awful.

But that was because I think there

was maybe a learning disability.

They sent him to this special school.

He had dyslexia or something like that.

But believe me, the intellect was there.

I think it was advanced for his age.

His dad had a room, I think it was a model train room.

Because I'd go over to their house

and we'd go down in their basement.

♪ Well I been drinking

♪ Since I was 15

♪ And I drink it hard

♪ And I'll drink it clean

- And it was just like stacks and stacks of porno,

a huge collection of porno.

Which was something I'd never really seen at the time.

♪ I'll drink booze from day to day ♪

♪ Drink away my money

♪ And all of my pain

♪ Mother's milk it tasted fine

♪ But it felt better

♪ When I bled that wine

♪ This will leave me very poor

♪ 500 bottles or maybe more

♪ It's my thrill

♪ That'll make me think

♪ When I have a hit

♪ Off that bottle and drink

- I'm the grumpy, old man of the band.

I wanted to play guitar when I heard Jimi Hendrix

and my Mom wanted me to learn how to play piano

and hoped that the guitar thing was a phase.

John Marshall Junior High, when he was walking

down the hallway, he looked weird [laughs].

He had drumsticks so, that was a clue, something was up.

[rock music]

- We had been playing together

for a few years in high school

in a band called The Eldon Hoke Band.

Just playing cover songs and things.

When we all got out of high school,

we were all kind of, didn't know what to do with our lives

and wanted to become musicians.

And at that time, the punk thing had started

with the Sex Pistols and all that kind of deal.

And so we kind of hit that ball and ran with it.

Figured, hey let's do this dirty lyric thing.

[rock music]

- El Duce growing up was just like the rest of us,

just full of piss and vinegar as they say.

- I was a vandal in school, I used to trash the bathrooms,

blow up the toilets with M80s and stuff in high school.

All of a sudden I was in class one day,

drunk, as usual, and the teacher calls me

and she goes, they want you down at the

Dean of Students Office, and I knew somethin' was up.

So I go down there, and the Dean of Students

tells me, you're the one who's behind

all the toilets gettin' blown up

and the graffiti and the trash and the garbage cans

and everything else, and I go, what do you mean by that?

And he goes, your buddies finked on you!

You are the mentor behind it all!

And then when I got kicked out of high school,

I decided it's time to form The Mentors.

We formed in I'd say 1976.

[rock music]

- One of the first shows we did

when we first started was in Tacoma.

We grew up in Seattle and we somehow

heard that there was this really cool club,

so we called up the owner, talked to the guy

on the phone, me and El Duce

and said, well, you need to send

us a demo tape and a publicity pack.

We actually made a copy of Deep Purple, Live in Japan

and put it on a cassette

and sent a promo picture of it and said it was us.

And so he goes, "Okay, you guys are booked."

At that time, we actually,

our act was pretty shocking for the time.

We had this girl that would dress all in sexy clothes

and lingerie and come out with a whip.

- We had a dancer called The Whipping Woman

get up there with a whip and do her little shtick.

- Now the club turned out to be

not exactly as we thought it would be.

It was more like a pizza joint rather than a rock club

and they were actually having a birthday party

for a five year old kid at the time, so [laughs].

We got out there and started playing our stuff,

five year old kids that are coming up

with the little hats on and stuff.

This was like a Chuck E. Cheese kind of scenario going on.

We got about 30 seconds, maybe two or three minutes tops,

and he's back at the soundboard, "Hey, you guys stop."

So we were gonna play dumb, well, what's the problem?

Why do we have to, well you know, you should figure out why.

- They give us our 50 bucks and told us to hit the highway.

- They paid us to stop, that happened more than once.

We were booked in Vancouver, Canada.

- We're banned in Canada because we went up

there to play two shows, there was actually

people protesting out front of the club.

- [Narrator] The band is playing tonight

downstairs at Wellington's on Albert Street.

The band members called Duce, Dr. Heathen Scum,

and Sickie Wifebeater, it's all part of a publicity stunt.

Outside the bar, protestors find

the concept of rape rock appalling.

- They told us once we got out

of the country, never come back.

- I think our fans call it rape rock,

because it totally blows away all the other music

that's on the market, and flooding the marketplace today.

- [Narrator] If tonight is any indication,

heavy metal rockers will probably

pack up Wellington's tomorrow night as well.

[somber piano music]

- Pretty soon they were banned from just about every club.

They were actually, you can't play

here anymore [chuckles], you're too hardcore.

- Back when we started, it wasn't unusual,

actually, for people to get arrested

for saying dirty lyrics in public.

You were kind of skating on thin ice to do it

because there was the threat of getting arrested.

We played a role, I think, in corrupting society.

♪ One, two, three, four

♪ Suck and fuck

♪ And cook and clean

♪ Baby, do you know what I mean ♪

♪ You gotta do it everyday

♪ Suck and fuck and cook and clean ♪

♪ Slut, do you know what I mean ♪

♪ It's the only way

♪ First you suck

♪ Then you fuck

♪ Then you cook

- All the lyrics are based on true stuff

and our deepest, happy desires to do things, legal or not.

[rock music]

- Pushing the boundaries lyrically.

- Well, the lyrics are explicit,

there's nothing that they won't sing about.

- Peeping Tom, Going Through her Purse,

Four F Club, it's like 4-H Club.

♪ Find her

♪ Feel her

♪ Fuck her

♪ Forget her

- Golden showers.

- Four F Club.

- Four F Club, Going Through Your Purse, White Trash Woman.

♪ Rock em

♪ Sock em

♪ It's a gas

♪ Rock 'em

♪ Sock 'em

♪ Gonna kick your ass

- And then the version of Woman from Sodom

where he sings along with the guitar line at the beginning.

[John grunts]

[laughs] Brilliant.

♪ We are the kings of sleaze

♪ Shut up, bitch

♪ Get on your knees

♪ We are the kings of sleaze

♪ We don't have venereal disease ♪

[rock music]

- [Radio DJ] All right, that was The Mentors right there,

Kings of Sleaze.

- Hey, all you sluts out there,

are you tired of hanging out with

a bunch of low life, glam rock fags?

Why don't you go for a real man?

A booze guzzling, porno reading man.

Enter The Mentors Dream Date Contest,

and you can win a good date with me, El Duce [laughs]!

Now all you have to do is send me a nude,

explicitly nude, photo of yourself, and some cash!

I've gotta support my drinking habit, now baby.

Whoever gets my geyser gushing the quickest, wins!

[static hums]

[rock music]

- [Woman] The most hated band in the universe.

- They called their music rape rock.

- They're definitely pioneers for

the genre that we now call rape rock.

- That's rape rock, rape rock!

- How else was a middle aged man gonna get pussy?

- [Man] Tits, ass, pussy!

- No sissies need apply in that band.

- They had topless dancers, strippers on stage.

- [Man] Nobody was a band like that, ever.

["Donkey Dick" by The Mentors]

♪ I got a donkey dick

♪ It'll make you sick

♪ I got a donkey dick

♪ It's big and thick

♪ I got a donkey dick

♪ It's a hell of a fact

♪ I got a donkey dick

♪ It's where it's at

- The Mentors were like Mad Magazine,

and Cracked,

kind of on acid and steroids and pumped up to 10

with good music behind it, and that's what the appeal was.

You get a bite on your hook, you keep putting

the same bait on there, right?

It looked like cartoons, executioner hoods,

Steve with the big glasses, because he used to wear

those big Ernie from My Three Sons glasses.

[rock music]

And Sickie was the other rock and roll star with the hair.

[hard rock music]

- The Mentors kind of made an art out of objectifying women,

that was sort of the humor of where they were coming from.

I think shock rock had two different avenues.

There was the shock with the production value,

that was everything from the Plasmatics,

Gwar, with all their effects,

that was one side of shock,

and then other side of shock was just using profanity

and saying unpopular things, so that was more

like GG Allin, Mentors, Dwarves kind of thing.

I think it came about for the same reason

punk came about in the 70s which was that

people just got bored with the status quo.

Anything that was too predictable

breeds this kind of, well let's do something even nastier.

Let's go out on a limb even more here.

Let's really plum the dark side.

- For about three years, it was a wide open thing.

So there wasn't categories, there wasn't even really metal.

Like even Black Sabbath was a hard rock band back then.

Judas Priest was hard rock, GG Allin, though,

he was on the East Coast doing other stuff.

Doing legitimate punk type stuff.

GG Allin's is definitely more shock rock

where El Duce had a real great mind, genius mind for lyrics

that were self-effacing and making fun of himself.

Rather than just trying to piss people off,

he would offend people, but in a way that you kind

of loved the guy because it's like, that's funny.

Where GG Allin wasn't all that funny.

GG Allin was a perpetrator, which is a whole

different thing, this was a rock and roll band

with kind of funny lyrics, I think they're going

for more comedy than shock rock, actually.

I Wanna Build a Shit Tower, gimme a break.

How many people here have wanted to build a shit tower?

[people laugh]

- They brought it back to that stage in life

when you still were playing with your own shit.

[mud splats]

- He knew what he was doing in the fact

that he knew if he did what he did,

people were gonna get pissed.

In music nowadays, the risk isn't there

because things are so diversified.

The shock value had died down

and that's one thing that The Mentors brought back.

♪ When you're horny

♪ You're horny

♪ When you're horny like me

♪ When you're horny

♪ You're horny

- Early on, they played punk rock shows probably

because they couldn't play anywhere else.

It was the punk rockers that liked 'em.

That was their following.

- They definitely had a big punk rock following,

but only half of the punk rockers could take 'em.

They were too hardcore for a lot of 'em.

♪ When you're horny

♪ You're horny

- And at that time, there was the beginning

of the punk/metal crossover scene,

so it was a lot less defined.

- I think there was social hatred between the two of them.

The metal people thought punk was all for people

that couldn't play music, who didn't give a fuck.

I think the punk guys thought of the metal guys

as they were commercial, pretentious bullshit.

The good stuff rises to the top,

and the bullshit falls away.

- One thing about The Mentors, too,

was they don't get a lot of credit,

I think that you play shock rock,

people are gonna focus on one thing.

But they all can play, they're great musicians.

Because of the subject matter, that gets overlooked.

["Free Fix" by The Mentors]

♪ Hey, hey slut

♪ Isn't it nice

♪ Ooh yeah

♪ It's time to raise the price

♪ Get your junk now

♪ Is it everyday

♪ Now you have to get real sleazy ♪

♪ Not just a slut fuck

♪ But a good butt fuck

♪ Free fix for a butt fuck

♪ Free fix for a butt fuck

♪ Free fix for a butt fuck

♪ Free fix for a butt fuck

♪ Free fix for a butt fuck

♪ Free fix for a butt fuck

[audience applauds and cheers]

- [Man] Hey, Sickie, turn it up!

- Are you ready for these guys?

[crowd cheers]

You wanted it, here you go!

[audience cheers]

- It was hard for big labels to pick 'em up,

because they were so hardcore.

- A couple of our bands on the label had seen them play.

I think they opened for somebody like Bitch or...

And they said, you have to see this band,

they're hysterical, saw them live

and it was just incredibly crazy.

They put some stuff out before,

and it kind of was in the underground,

a lot of tape traders and stuff were happening at the time.

They became this little underground sensation

because they were really funny,

and the music was really good, as well.

Once I got into and started listening to it and

seen what they were doing live,

I'm like, oh man, these guys are amazing.

Somebody's gotta do something with them,

so we ended up doing a couple records with them.

[rock music]

El was an interesting guy, when he was sober,

he was unbelievably smart and an incredible drummer.

Unfortunately, he wasn't sober a whole lot of the time.

So trying to make a record in the

studio was a little difficult.

He'd come in and we'd maybe an hours worth of work done

and then he would get so drunk it would just fall apart.

We figured out a way that we would reward him

with giving him free beers, like,

hey if you get these takes down then we'll give you

some beer because half the time

we were making these records, Bill Metoyer,

the engineer and I were just laughing, dying laughing.

Their shows were a riot, too,

because you never knew what was gonna happen.

It's interesting with them because there was the danger

aspect of just what they were doing on stage

and the lyrical stuff, but also the danger

of you don't know what shape they're gonna

be in when they show up, they could be completely sober

and have an amazing show, or they could be completely

wasted and play two songs and completely fall apart

and then get in fights on stage and

it was definitely, that was a dangerous band at the time.

["Secretary Hump" by The Mentors]

♪ I'm just a horny slob

♪ Here comes my secretary hump

♪ Gonna cram my dick up in her rump ♪

- Much as those guys were great and El was amazing,

they were not the best business people to deal with

because they liked to drink a little too much.

- What happened with Duce was he got,

because of the way he lived his life

and his alcohol problem, he would be

constantly surrounded with low life's.

Just really the worst possible [laughs].

So there was this one guy, I won't mention his name,

he's probably still alive, all of a sudden

proclaimed himself as El Duce's manager.

Now anybody that's hanging out with them,

giving them a beer, anything, that's all it took.

His main goal was to try to get more money

so they can buy beer and get fucked up.

- The first time we actually had a real office,

we had a meeting with the band

and their, I'm going to put in quotes,

manager, would float in, so he was wasted.

And then, of course, El was always wasted.

- This manager guy and Duce both went in,

completely shit-faced, unbathed,

and demanding money, tried to get an advance.

I think that Brian was probably

fairly generous with El Duce.

- We didn't really get a lot of work

done in that meeting, they were a little out of control.

- He said, no and they asked him to leave

and so Duce took out his dick

and started drunkenly peeing all over the guys desk.

That put the icing on the cake

and the guy was no longer interested.

- We were a little scared at the time

[laughs] when that happened.

- We started going in a down slide as a result of that.

- But it was a lot of fun working with those guys.

I mean, legendary band they've become now.

It's really amazing that we had our little part in it.

- El Duce was a little bit more daring

and didn't really give a shit.

Yeah, I mean, he didn't really stop at dirty lyrics.

I mean, he would expose himself and play with himself.

[rock music]

[El Duce farts]

[El Duce makes noise with tongue]

- Right here.

♪ Here they come

♪ Sweet little girl

♪ I'll teach ya how to fuck

♪ Come on over here

♪ Pull down my pants

♪ And start to suck

- Sex, drugs, rock and roll, you know how

they party [laughs], especially Sickie.

- Gettin' high all the time, boozing it up, talking shit.

- Eldon was fearless and you know

how Broy can be and Sickie, Sickie can just shred.

["Peeping Tom" by The Mentors]

♪ I'm a peeping

♪ I'm a peeping Tom

♪ And all these hits you take

- I first saw The Mentors, I was doing

sound at the Cathay De Grande.

These guys got up there and the lead singer,

who was the drummer, he had really good diction

so you could understand, he'd annunciate every dirty word,

and then this guitar player, Sickie,

he did a lot of over hand stuff.

Sickie was a big influence on a lot

of people with the over hand stuff.

Of course, I know they were a big influence

on Metallica, met the lead singer

of Metallica backstage at one of their shows.

- They're basically just obnoxious heavy metal,

really obnoxious.

Yeah, they were the poster boys

of the shock rock, the dirty lyrics,

oh my god, the world's going to hell in a hand basket.

It was a joke, he had the greatest raps

between songs that you've ever heard.

Like the album Live at the Cathay De Grande.

♪ I don't know why you girls have your noses in the air ♪

- [Man] All these girls with their noses in the air.

- Unprintable [laughs]

- It's a hybrid with really hardcore punk

meets classic heavy metal, with insanely sexist

yet hilarious lyrics, like Don Rickles made it up.

- They really believe that our people crossed the red sea.

Two Jews went [imitates gulping water].

[audience laughs]

- And we loved shock rock, everyone loves Alice Cooper

and KISS, they had great songs, regardless

of the lyrical content, that's all for your taste,

but the music is slamming good.

Because it's just awesome riffing, it's awesome.

["Sleep Bandits" by The Mentors]

♪ We're creepy crawling through the night ♪

♪ We're looking for some pussy good and tight ♪

♪ Hopefully you will be drunk and asleep ♪

♪ For us to sink our dicks in deep ♪

- I feared that someone would beat

the crap out of him for what he was saying.

When he would sing these offensive things

about women and how they're, you know,

what The Mentors sing about, the reactions

of many women, back then, they would freak out.

Since he was my brother, I knew he was all about shock.

He would say anything that would ruffle your feathers.

A lot of women were not pleased.

Most men rooted him on, though.

And they used terms like, rape rock.

Well, Alice Cooper did a lot of crazy things too,

like biting off heads of pigeons and stuff.

I think he was the one that did that.

[record screeches] [bird bones snap]

Because I knew my brother, I knew he was no rapist

and he was no wife beater and he was none of these things.

Now I can't say the same for Sickie Wifebeater.

- Uh-oh.

I was fuckin' my wife for awhile,

and then one day I noticed that she smelled kind of funny

'cause I would doin' the Sickie sniffer test.

- [Interviewer] What's the Sickie sniffer test?

- You know how you always gotta lick 'em

before you dick 'em, this time

I like to sniff 'em before I smack 'em.

We have a song called, The Sickie Sniffer Test,

also based on a true [laughs].

Like I said, everything is true

or has a kernel of truth to it.

And in this particular case, I sniffed

and I didn't like what I smelt.

I smelled another man, at least

it didn't smell like another woman.

♪ Five horny Mentors

♪ We have a request

♪ Can you pass

♪ The Sickie Sniffer Test

♪ Slut said that I won't tell him nothin' ♪

♪ We were in my bed and we were hopin' ♪

♪ I was gonna

♪ I was gonna tell her somethin' ♪

♪ How does sloppy seconds

♪ Taste to your husband

♪ To black guys through the butt ♪

♪ Alone in bed and nice surprise ♪

♪ Broken jaw

♪ Knocked out teeth

♪ Your husband kicked your slutty ass ♪

♪ Because you were fuckin' me

- Sometimes it'd be violence at the shows and stuff.

We would have a cross section

of metal-ers and punkers and then straight edge

skinheads that wanted to beat up people.

I remember one time

when we were in LA, we got invited to some house party,

but skinheads were running the joint

and they didn't like the fact that I had long hair.

They said, "Well you can come,

"but you gotta wear your hood."

I go, I wouldn't be caught in a skinhead place without one.

- El Duce came out with the idea

of wearing executioner hoods because he was big fan

of this movie, Mark of the Devil,

which was a cult, horror movie.

- I collect a lot of horror films

and this guy was chopping off all these people's heads.

- One of these guys with hoods

would torture all these people for alleged crimes

against the church and things like that.

- And I go, man, that guys got the coolest outfit,

I gotta get one just like it, and I go,

that's what we'll do, we'll all wear execution hoods!

- So he had the idea to do that and make it sort

of like KISS, where it was a secret identity thing.

- Well I figured, KISS have their look,

and The Beatles have their look, we gotta have our look.

- Yeah, we did get mistaken, lumped in

with the Ku Klux Klan, occasionally, that would happen.

But we just have to explain to people,

no these aren't white hoods, they're black hoods

but it is a little complicated

because the Ku Klux Klan, they actually have some

of the higher ranking guys in the clan are allowed

to wear black hoods, so [laughs],

that created also some problems.

We were an integrated band, that would cause problems, also.

- I guess I'm the Sammy Davis Junior of the group.

Erase it.

Steve always tell me to leave his white women alone

and I'm always telling him, leave my black women alone.

[rock music]

- [Steve] Hands off my white women, Loma.

[Loma laughs]

- What kind of shit is that?

Pussy is pussy, I always thought.

["Chicks With Dicks" by The Mentors

♪ I can't believe my eyes

♪ Watchin' you on sunset strip

♪ Wearin' all that glam rock makeup ♪

♪ In drag and buckin' your hip

♪ Glam rock faggot

♪ All you are is a

♪ Glam rock faggot

♪ Chicks with dicks

- We always tried to have music behind this stuff,

so it wasn't just simply shocking

for the sake of being shocking.

[dramatic music]

- [Narrator] The sex and violence in rock

and roll lyrics and whether the records should be rated X.

- [Narrator] Tipper Gore, wife of US Senator Albert Gore,

heads the campaign to label all records

that deal with drugs, sex or violence.

- As parents, we believe we have a right

to some consumer guidance in our effort

to protect our own children from material

that we believe may be inappropriate for them.

- The PMRC I thought was just a way for Al Gore's wife

and Al Gore to get more notoriety,

kind of like that movie he made about the global warming.

I'll make a movie about something

that nobody can really do anything

about and everybody will freak out

and I'll win the Nobel Peace Prize

and up my speaking price, and that'll show 'em

for not letting me be president.

Did he say the F word on that?

Let's play that back over and over and over.

Oh my goodness, he said that word

that you can't say on TV like George Carlin

used to talk about, the seven words you can't say on TV.

- Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits.

- That was true, nobody did it, you get fined.

- The Mentors were known to be one

of the most offensive at that time.

They cited him in the congress as one of the most offensive

and that's when they started labeling albums with a warning.

Well, really all that did was, you know how kids are,

it made 'em wanna buy it worse.

And so Eldon's sales actually increased.

- [Narrator] The notion of a label recommending

parental guidance to be applied by individual

record companies on albums containing

explicit lyrics is gaining industry acceptance.

- We have asked them to please go one step further

and make it a really adequate solution

by creating an industry wide set of criteria

that all the companies would subscribe to

and then could individually apply.

- They went through a whole bunch

of bands that they wanted to have labeling on their records.

So they would recite the lyrics,

okay this band said this, this band said that,

isn't that bad, isn't that bad?

And then at the very end of this presentation,

they said, and the worst one was The Mentors.

And they read some of the Mentors lyrics.

- Let's move on to sexuality, a theme which has been

part of rock music since the beginning.

Today's rock artists are describing sexual activity

and practice in terms more graphic than ever before.

- Here's the best part of the reverends testimony,

this was the most sensational part

of the hearing, as far as I was concerned.

This is the part where the reverend

recites the lyrics to, "Golden Shower" by Mentor.

[Reverend] "Listen, you little slut.

"Do you as you are told, come with daddy

"for me to pour the gold, golden showers,

"all through my excrement you shall roam.

"Bend up and smell my anal vapor.

"Your face is my toilet paper.

"On your face I leave a shit tower, golden showers."

[gavel thuds]

Mr. Chairman, that concludes my remarks, thank you.

[Chairman] All right, Mr. Ling, sorry, your time is expired.

[people laugh]

[gavel thuds]

- And I believe fighting for our rights to not be censored

was Dee Snider, Frank Zappa, and John Denver,

of all people, can you believe that?

- Good morning, Mr. Chairman.

- [Narrator] This material is being aggressively

marketed to younger and younger children.

Preteens and young teens, and they're being exposed

to what I would call, mature scenes.

Sadomasochism, thrill killing,

songs glorifying incest, and songs glorifying rape.

- We were a victim of it, in fact,

The Raven logo with the flash is considered

a mark of Satan to these idiots or whatever.

They pick up whatever they want to.

And of course, I saw the trial, the hearing,

and then they were talking [laughs]

about the lyrics from You Axed for It!

And that became the topic, I remember

Frank Zappa saying something like,

I don't know where you dug this band

up but you had to dig deep.

- Back then, nobody swore on TV.

I don't think El Duce was at the congressional hearings

but he was on quite a few television shows.

[static crackles]

- And sometimes the groupies don't put out,

so you gotta rape 'em and sodomize 'em.

That's my man, Sickie Wifebeater on the guitar!

Dr. Heathen Scum on the skins!

And I'm GG Duce, king of the black underworld!

We ripped that audience a new A-hole.

Sorry guys, I gotta drive the soccer

car pool in the morning, I gotta skeeduttle.

- What's the matter, Duce, you didn't

pull your prick out all night?

- People didn't even get the lyrics

to "Screw and Piss Doggy Style".

[static crackles]

[bomb rumbles]

[upbeat music]

- Do you realize, El Duce, that your band,

The Mentors--

- [Audience Member] That's right.

- You have been called the sleaze kings

of rock, what do you think about that?

[El Duce cheers and audience boos]

How do you describe your music?

- Well, it's rape rock.

- [Wally] Rape rock?

- Well, because it's a man's rock.

- But this idiot promotes rape, can you believe that?

[audience boos]

Question there from the audience

to see what we have to ask this creature here.

[audience chatters]

- I want to know what are you trying

to contribute to society?

- Well, I'll tell ya, ya bunch of illiterate children.

[audience grumbles]

Children without a father.

- El Duce has a kid somewhere around, I dunno,

Modesto or one of these places.

He got this letter and it had a picture

of this kid in it, and she said it was his

and there ain't no reason to doubt it.

El Duce, he used to panhandle and tell

jokes for a living in between gigs.

- All right, come on, let's do it,

let's do it, who's got a quarter,

gimme a quarter, come on you cheapskates.

- All right, what's long, black and stinks?

- [Man] I don't know.

- The welfare line.

- He had a place to stay in Riverside

but he'd rather sleep on the sidewalk in Hollywood.

- Joke for a quarter.

Joke for a quarter.

Joke for a quarter.

Joke for a quarter.

[girls squeal]

[girls chatter]

Never mind.

- He had a way of not getting punched,

but almost getting punched.

[men laugh]

- Everyone has got a lot of Mentor stories.

- I'd been to Mentor shows before,

but I had never really talked to him.

He came backstage and ate all our pizza.

We were all there and we heard him

knocking on the door, we heard the guy like,

"It's okay, just tell the boys El Duce's here."

And we're like, oh yeah, we gotta let him in.

We welcomed him with open arms.

- One of our early shows in LA area,

El Duce showed up to say, hello,

because he's buddies with us,

the bouncers were being real dicks that night,

not letting anybody backstage,

even our own guys, all night long.

Somehow, in the confusion, El Duce,

while they were kicking him out,

makes it to the stage instead.

And next thing you know, El Duce,

we're getting ready to go on, El Duce somehow is onstage,

and this street urchin girl is sucking

him off in front of the whole crowd.

This could have very easily been

an all ages show or something.

He also used to walk around with this 12 inch double

dildo hanging out of his belt all the time.

One time, he left it on our Gwar bus so I sort of saved

it for him and gave it back to him next time I saw him.

I definitely never touched it

with more than two fingers, I'll tell you that.

[audience cheers]

- [Announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, The Mentors movie,

starring ladies man, El Duce on drums.

- In 1987, the band was offered a three

month US tour with Saint Vitus, so I couldn't do that,

couldn't get that much time off work,

and finally said, no, you guys go ahead

and do that without me, so they got this guy

Ed Danky, who was some friend

of Duce's somehow or the other

who went by the name of Papa Sneaky Sperm Shooter.

- [El Duce] Papa Sneaky Sperm Shooter

on bass, rockin' right at you there.

[audience shouts]

- Ed was a big drinker, big druggie, heroin addict.

El Duce is a major league alcoholic.

In this mix, Sickie, who certainly would

like to drink and do other fun stuff,

was probably the straightest of the bunch.

- [El Duce] Sickie Wifebeater on guitar.

[guitar squeals]

- In '87, when we went on the big long ass,

motherfuckin', grueling tour with them,

Ed was playing bass, yeah.

- What happened was that Sickie

had ventured off with some strippers

and some cocaine.

- Oh yeah!

- So Danky moves up to guitar and they asked me

if I would play bass.

Man, I concealed my identity really good.

Wore gloves, long sleeves, hood, changed my shoes.

I didn't really want anyone to know who I was that night.

The first time The Mentors had ever toured the US

and they were getting a pretty big guarantee,

I think they were making a thousand dollars a night.

- Yeah, they were doing really good, yeah.

- They were like, a complete mess, as soon as

they'd get the money, they'd immediately fight over it

between band members and pay their road crew nothin'

and they had no concept of budgeting money

for the next show, every night it was

a free for all, it was pretty nutty, man.

They had the Circle Jerk's old van

completely covered with graffiti.

I played bass two shows, and after those two shows,

they paid me, I made more money

than I did the whole Vitus tour.

- Yeah, exactly [laughs].

- Somewhere along the line, Ed met this chick

who apparently was a bass player.

[audience shouts]

- This guy, you're gonna get your fuckin' ass kicked,

because this is the fucking Mentors!

[crowd cheers]

- [Audience Member] Show us your tits!

- '88, '89, it was such a spur of the moment thing.

We're going on tour, and you're our manager,

and you're our new bass player and let's go!

Here we go, Eric didn't want to go,

he probably thought, this is gonna be a giant mess

and it was.

Ed took over on guitar and then they put me on bass.

["Young, Fresh, Tight, Sweet Stuff" by The Mentors]

♪ Young, fresh, tight, sweet stuff ♪

♪ Young, fresh, tight, sweet stuff ♪

- Ed Danky, who had a practice space at Lennon Studios,

he would try to teach me some of the songs before we left

because we were leaving in a day.

So I'm just hearing the music,

I'm not hearing any of the lyrics.

I never had heard them before that,

at all, I knew nothing about them.

And then when I found out that

this is a rape rock band [laughs],

and I'm like, oh, holy crap, I was kind of shocked

but I was shocked in a good way.

I felt safe because Horndogger was there, Ed was there.

Horndogger was our roadie.

- Duce named me Horndogger, because I'm a horny dog.

[Lucinda] Horndogger's playing bass,

Eldon kicks him off the stage, and then I come out.

- Well I didn't really go tour that much

and they needed a bassist and so stood in for him.

- It's all part of the shtick.

- [El Duce] You're too drunk, get out of here.

You can't play the songs right, get out of here!

- We're like, oh God, you don't have a hood,

what are we gonna do?

- T-shirts and safety pins.

- [Man] [laughs] Yeah.

- Grabbed a black t-shirt

and tucked the safety pins in the back.

- I want something hot from you.

- [El Duce] Bet you that groupie with the hottest pair

that sucked us off.

She licked my ass and he was pounding her butt hole.

- It's Scumbitch.

[crowd cheers]

- My Mentor name was Scumbitch, sounded raunchy.

- [Audience Member] Take the shirt off, slut!

- [El Duce] She's a slave to mankind!

[rock music]

♪ She was a little girl on the street ♪

♪ Don't she look so sweet

♪ I could get ya

♪ In all of your holes

- [Lucinda] It was just me and Ed and Eldon until New York

and then things kind of blew up, we met Zippy.

- Duce met me at a party and dragged me on tour.

I was all for it, because it was so over the edge.

Just spur of the moment.

- It kind of fell apart.

- [Zippy] Obviously Sickie just didn't

go on that tour 'cause it was such a mess.

- It was just a mess as we got further out,

it got worse and worse, he was pullin'

the gettin' so wasted that he just wouldn't be there

and we'd have to go find him, the show'd be, okay,

we were supposed to start an hour ago

and he's not here, we just all were done at that point.

Me and Ed were like, we're out of here, see ya,

we got on a bus and came back to Portland.

Ed, he had a bad drug problem and he died of an overdose.

Eldon was a real sweetheart and also a real nightmare.

I really don't know if a lot people

think he is really what he would portray himself to be.

To me he was like a grandpa [laughs].

He was always really protective

of me on the road, which was cool,

then vise versa, too, he'd get real drunk

and not be able to take care of himself,

which was kind of sad and I would make sure that he was okay

and drag him on back, we all did that.

- I really liked him, I really did.

For all the bullshit and the fun and the drinkin',

and how sad it was that he was such

a fuckin' horrible alcoholic at such a young age.

[somber music]

- He's El Duce, a very heavy alcoholic.

- He's already had about 10 40 O's.

- No, I need some more saucy, I got some stashed.

- [Sickie] He's got a secret liquor stash.

- When El went to rehab and I picked him up,

and on the way back, we went right to a 7-Eleven

and got a case of beer and drank it.

And the last couple of times I had seen him,

he was pretty fucked up, he was just, every time I saw him,

he was so drunk that he couldn't play the drums.

- The last tour they did with the Duce,

apparently Duce was really fucked up.

He was falling off the throne a little bit too many times.

Plus somebody scored him a half pound

of some really good killer, fuckin' thunder fuck bud,

that he wasn't gonna let go of.

Broy says, you gotta take that fuckin' shit out of here.

He runs the ship pretty tight.

He's the one that tells you what to do.

- What the fuck is your, dammit!

I've had it with your bullshit!

[El Duce groans]

- Don't fuck with me!

- You fuckin' asshole [laughs].

- You fuck with my program.

I've had it with you and your 40 o' bullshit.

- Broy called me up and he said,

"Hey, Duce, he's is getting too Duce'd."

[laughs] I knew what that meant.

"We'll give you a quarter of everything,

"just you be the drummer." I said, yesh,

and I was with 'em for 18 years, somethin' like that.

[rock music]

I was already Moose before I joined the band,

but not Moosedick and they all said,

well, since you're one the of the guys,

you're gonna have to come up with a name.

I don't know if it's bigger than whatever

I do have to feed it breakfast

in the morning though [laughs].

[rock music]

I didn't know how the fans were gonna take it.

Oh, Duce not on drum, I mean, come on?

You always have some group of haters out there,

and he loved it, Duce had no problem getting off the drums.

He was just like, oh, hallelujah.

He had a problem falling into my drums, which I didn't like.

It happened every other night.

I knew he was touching my drums,

you could feel the cymbals on his back,

so he knows where he's at.

It's like, hey, don't go running into my drums.

It's all part of the show, bullshit it is.

And I'd get him in that kidney jab with the sticks [grunt],

he'd knock that shit off right away.

[El Duce growls]

When he went out front and he didn't have to play the drums,

he thought, oh this is gonna be great,

I'm not gonna have to have any responsibilities,

like I can just drink and drug and do whatever I want

and it's just gonna be hunky dory.

It did push his alcoholism to a

higher degree, that's for sure.

- [Crowd] El Duce, El Duce, El Duce!

- If it wasn't for the alcoholism,

I don't think I would have been in the band today.

During that time, it was so extreme.

It was just like everything and anything goes.

There's no rules on anything, that was the

whole Hollywood thing, at least in the music business.

There was definitely a lot of drugs involved with it.

I'm glad I survived it, you know [laughs]?

A lot of people I know are dead.

A lot of people, it took their life.

[somber music]

[dog barks]

- I got introduced to Nick and he asked me

to show where I could find El, and I said,

well I can take you where El is.

There he is, El Duce.

- Argh!

Where's the booze?

- [Interviewer] You did some deal with Courtney, right?

- Yeah, she offered me 50 grand to whack Kurt Cobain.

- Yeah, I was tellin' you this--

- And I heard everything, she pulled up in a limo

and offered El the money, so 50 G's is 50 G's.

- Hey, $50 grand does a lot of talkin'.

- Some people say that El Duce was

asked by Courtney Love to murder Kurt Cobain.

He did take a lie detector test and passed.

- It's Courtney Love's dad on the phone.

Kurt's brother used to be our guitar player's girlfriend.

That's how I met Courtney in the first place.

[somber music]

- El Duce died from getting hit by a train.

His death happened on April 19th.

Some people said he was killed, along with Kurt Cobain.

I was the one that dropped him off when he got killed.

- He had gone off the day before

with a friend of ours, who lived in California,

the legendary Allen Wrench.

- You guys know who I am already.

There are a few things that were kind

of a problem that happened a week or so before Duce died,

and then I got a call from, I don't want to name their name,

but I get a call, Duce had just

done this documentary, this Kurt Cobain documentary,

[somber music]

He's specifically naming you in this documentary.

I'm like, oh, cool, well you must be talking

about music or something like that.

Like no, no, he's naming you for some other things.

- But I know who whacked him, I told Allen,

I mean, my friend [laughs], I'll let the FBI catch him.

But [laughs], that's just the way it's done, end of story.

- I'm like, that's not gonna fly.

That's not gonna fuckin' fly.

And it's just me and him in there,

I'm like, dude, what the fuck are you doing?

Why are you naming me, why would you name me in this shit?

And he's like, oh you know, tries to be funny

and play it off and doesn't want to give an answer.

It's like we're both drinking and all that shit.

- Buy me a beer, I might do some more talkin' [laughs].

- It came time for me to leave,

and he needed something from the store.

I'm like, well, I'm in a hurry, I'm gonna drop you off,

I don't really have time to wait for you,

so I'm gonna drop you off and I'm gonna take off [sigh].

And that was the last I saw of him.

[somber music]

Why would I feel guilty?

Rumors such as what?

Okay, here's what's up, we agreed there's not

gonna be any fuckin' Cobain shit in this.

[somber music]

- We had played a gig at Al's Bar.

El was totally straight when he arrived

and then by the time, an hour or so later,

we were supposed to go on, he was totally shitfaced

and fell, it morphed into him making fun

of my ex-girlfriend, so then I was telling him to shut up

and it just kind of ended on a sour note.

So it's been a major weird feeling

for me just to have everything end like that.

- When I woke up Sunday morning,

and was just fiddling around out in the studio,

and some of the Karaoke King tapes that we recorded,

and I see this car pull up on the outside

of my property, a kind of official looking car,

and this lady comes out and starts walking up.

And I say, hey can I help you?

And then she shows me this badge.

She says, "Do you know Eldon Hoke?"

"Yeah, I know him,"

and she goes, "Does he live here?"

I presumed it was a cop looking for him,

I thought they were gonna come in

and search the house looking for him,

which I didn't want at all, and so I said,

well no, he doesn't really live here.

She goes, "Do you know how to get

"in touch with his family?"

So I started, oh something's going on here.

And then she tells me he's just been hit by a train.

[somber music]

And that kind of really, I wasn't expecting to hear that,

especially on Sunday morning, and it kind of flipped me out.

So she goes, "Well, how do we get in touch with his family?"

And I had all their numbers, so I went

in the house to get it but I was just

so flipped out by it, I couldn't even really think.

So I went out and told them, listen,

I have to get myself together here, I can't,

I'm gonna have to call you back with a number,

which I did, but then I called his sister

and about an hour later after I got my composure together,

I called his sister and let her know.

- I didn't want to know any of the details.

It was very difficult, as you can imagine.

- Broy call me up, I think it was the next day

or the day after, said he had some bad news,

that El got hit by a train, it was just, yeah,

I was totally in shock, still haven't processed it.

[somber music]

[somber music]

- He enjoyed life so much, he was able to do

what he wanted to do, that's most important,

that people can do what they want to do

and they're more successful if they can live their dreams

and he was able to live his dream.

I asked him, aren't you afraid up there on the stage?

and he says, "Oh no, it was fun, nothin' to it."

He just made up stories and entertained

the audience, ab-lib like that.

I miss all that entertainment.

[somber music]

- Well, as far as the Courtney Love thing,

you can never trust a woman so anything's possible

as far as that goes, who knows?

Could be Jackie O. had Kennedy killed

or was fuckin' the person that did.

- I think Courtney's gotten a bad rap,

I don't think she's some crazy mastermind,

trying to destroy things, I think the reality

is even scarier than that [laughs].

You know, stripper chick with some dope,

how she can bring down an empire.

- You never know, stranger things have happened.

- I remember we had a show to do in LA a week later.

- We went down there and did it.

And then I don't know if we've ever really talked about it.

I don't know if we ever talk about anything.

We just kept on playing, up times, down times.

- Bad, bad, that was, I think, the worst decision

I'd ever made in The Mentors,

is playing the week after he died

because nobody knew it yet, and so we're at this club,

and people are going, where's the Duce,

'cause it was often that he'd come late,

we'd do two songs and he comes pouring himself on stage.

But two or three times, you get people,

where's the Duce And Sickie would just,

he's fuckin', he got hit by a train,

he ain't comin' down tonight.

And I could see what was happening, I was going, uh-oh.

Oh man, all of a sudden you start hearin' people

start crying in the crowd, then you get the opportunist,

the guys that are right on the money.

They come up already up on stage going,

hey man, do you need a lead singer [laughs]?

Yeah, right off the bat, just like,

fuck off, get out of here.

- I kind of wanted to keep going,

but the other two guys in the band at the time,

the other drummer we had, we called him Moosedick,

and Sickie, they both, it took the wind out of their sails

and they weren't really so interested.

There was still a big fan demand for it,

but we just, we didn't really have anything better to do.

- Dr. Heathen Scum, he's the brains of the outfit.

Suit and tie guy by day and a rape rocker by night.

He says what goes and what does not go in the band.

You don't go against him, Sickie would torture chicks

and Sickie J would fuck chicks and [laughs].

- My buddy handed me this CD, never heard

of The Mentors before, and I remember hearing

"Sleep Bandits", and "Sandwich of Love",

and I'm like, man, these songs are really fucked up

[laughs], I couldn't wait to play it.

I naturally just went home and learned all those songs

and a week later, we were playing a gig

as the Northwest Breeders, and we get this call

from this guy named Gumby, he says,

"I know Sickie Wifebeater, Sickie is here with me right now.

"We see you have a Northwest Breeders show coming up.

"We want to know what this is all about."

They come to the gig and Sickie had just gotten a DUI,

and I had just gotten a DUI, we hit it off instantly.

We were talking about our bust, it just morphed from there.

[rock music]

We had a lot of good times partying--

- Oh, yeah.

- And then sometimes the party kept going

and going and going and going and going.

Every night we hung out we partied.

- How many ladies can agree

that size matters [speaks gibberish]?

- There was no off limits.

Duce?

- Yesh?

- It was just a total debaucherous zone.

- Homosexuality is good as long as

it's two hot chicks making out.

[audience cheers]

[Jeff laughs]

- Glad to be here, if anybody has any drugs,

if you could give them to us, we'd appreciate that a lot.

- Class A coke, please.

- [Jeff] Yes.

[audience laughs]

♪ I've got a great big fucking prick ♪

♪ Suck that ass bitch and suck my dick ♪

- [Jeff] In 2001, it was myself, Heathen Scum, Moosedick

and Sickie, and we brought this

guy named El Rapo into the picture.

- Introduce Ducey Jr.

- Yeah you know you bitches just wait and see.

- We brought along El Rapo for the ride for a couple

of years, we recorded a record with him,

Over the Top.

[rock music]

And he was just too far gone.

He ended up missing a flight we had booked for him.

So enough is enough, you miss your flight.

So when Mark was first introduced to the band,

I was taking a back seat in Mentors,

he was taking a front seat in Mentors

and so the revolving door kind

of kicked me in the ass on the way out, but--

- I have no problem with Heathen Scum singing,

but the classic Mentors is drummer singing,

two guys rockin' up front, and I started

a Mentors knock off band called, The Mantors.

I go, I'm gonna start my own Mentors band

called the Mantors, just so the fact

that I can make a big enough bang

so I can be the singer/drummer for The Mentors

and that's the sole reason I did it.

- Mark had the pleasure of driving

my old lady to the methadone clinic,

I think old Mad Dog was trying

to slip her a roofie or something

and she caught wind of that and jumped out of the car,

with the car running and going 40 miles an hour,

she hit the concrete rolling, that was the first

sign that Mark Duce was turning into a scandalous scumbag.

- Mad Dog, he just kind of weaseled

his way in there [laughs].

- I just stepped right in.

- I wasn't planning on quitting the band.

I didn't want to quit the band, it was my favorite band.

I'd be in there today, Sickie J calls me up,

he says, "Hey, have you heard

"the new album we're not on?"

And I'm going, what?

[rock music]

♪ Here's a story

♪ About the finer things in life ♪

♪ Jacking at the strip club

♪ We don't have to think twice

♪ Strip pole yeah

♪ Raise your glass bitch

♪ Take a drink alright

♪ Now bring out that ass

♪ Big fake titties

♪ Everyday

♪ Silicone sluts

♪ Take my money away

♪ When Nasty Nikki

♪ Came struttin' on the stage

♪ With a wink in her eye

♪ And I knew I was gettin' laid ♪

- [Man] This is your captain, raise your seats

to the upright position, get your machine gun and lets go.

Whore airlines, baby, woohoo, ride 'em silver, yeah.

♪ Let's go

♪ Hey hey hey hey

♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪

♪ Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey ♪

♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪

♪ Stand up and salute

♪ It's the American way

♪ Listen you, fags

♪ To what I say

♪ I keep and bear arms

♪ To shoot and kill gays

♪ I'm card carrying member

♪ Of the NRA

♪ It's a faggot hunt

♪ It's time to raise some hell

♪ Make peace with your God

♪ 'Cause it's time to say farewell ♪

♪ Now it's time to do what is right ♪

♪ We're goin' out on the town

♪ Killing faggots tonight

♪ Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey ♪

♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪

♪ Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey ♪

♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪

[audience cheers]

- It was everything I love all in one band.

Plus with a look like KISS with the hoods.

- [GPS] Turn right on Roosevelt Boulevard.

- [Sickie] Yeah, go to the right.

- I don't know what the fuck is going on here.

- Yeah that figures, that figures.

[people laugh]

- No, Sickie is, he won't shut up.

- What, I won't shut up, wow.

[people laugh]

- Uh-oh, uh-oh, oh no, no job, no family, no pets,

no plants, no greenery, nothin' to water,

except to take a shower [imitates flatulance], John--

- My name is Vejo Malo.

- Yeah, satanic, straightedge vegan.

- Hail, Satan. - Osama Bin John.

- Fuck you with the Osama bullshit.

Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, Sickie.

- We've used him before when our

fat drummer couldn't make it.

and now fatso's completely out.

Fat people tend to have a strange smell.

Well, it would have been nicer

to boot him out but he resigned.

[rock music]

- It's Cousin Fister here, alley-oop,

right up the shoot.

I play rhythm guitar.

- Hang on a second, gotta check our tuning.

- Totally pro. - Yeah.

- Cousin Fister, this is actually

my first experience playing in the same band with him

and it worked out, he's a good humor guy.

I'm the bad humor guy, so he elevated my mood

into more of a positive realm.

[rock music]

- Sickie is one of the all time, greatest guitarists ever.

No bullshit, we work great together.

The best thing to do is sit back and let him do his thing.

- [Announcer] The man, the myth, the legend,

Sickie Wifebeater on lead guitar.

[crowd cheers]

[rock music]

- Rocking to the masses.

- What do we do men, weed.

[rock music]

[crowd cheers]

[rock music]

- Grace, disgrace, okay, I'm ready.

♪ Oh yeah

♪ Uh-huh

- [Sickie] Beer number five.

♪ I'm hot, horny and fuckin' wasted ♪

♪ And you have the tits of a cow ♪

Solo by solo, kind of like we did yesterday?

[guitar screeches]

That's what I fuckin' said, lets strip.

♪ Yes I know how to rock

♪ And I know how to shock

♪ Why don't you take off your skirt ♪

♪ Take off your panties, bra and shirt ♪

♪ I ain't gonna ask you twice

♪ I don't always play so nice

♪ Put your ass

♪ Right on my snoz

♪ Let's strip now

♪ Fuckin' naked and jump into the bed ♪

♪ I'm the rebel with a perverted cause, yesha ♪

♪ Let's strip now

♪ Buck naked

♪ That's what I fuckin' said

["Rockin' and Maxin'" by Dr. Heathen Scum]

[man gags and speaks incoherently]