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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,759 --> 00:00:03,486 [static crackles] 2 00:00:07,593 --> 00:00:09,906 - [Woman] Oh, it's got too many words on here. 3 00:00:09,906 --> 00:00:13,047 May cause slut fucking, intoxication, 4 00:00:13,047 --> 00:00:15,118 alcoholism, drug addiction, copulation, 5 00:00:15,118 --> 00:00:19,571 sexual harassment and masturbation. 6 00:00:19,571 --> 00:00:22,229 [heartbeat thuds] 7 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:32,998 [energetic rock music] 8 00:00:52,983 --> 00:00:55,193 - [Woman] Mentors were known to be 9 00:00:55,193 --> 00:00:57,160 one of the most offensive-- 10 00:00:59,714 --> 00:01:01,475 - [Narrator] The demonstrators say the three member group 11 00:01:01,475 --> 00:01:04,685 promotes sexual violence against women and children, 12 00:01:04,685 --> 00:01:07,205 and perpetuates the myth that women want rape. 13 00:01:07,205 --> 00:01:09,517 - [Woman] The most hated band in the universe. 14 00:01:09,517 --> 00:01:11,657 - [Man] You guys ready for some rape rock? 15 00:01:11,657 --> 00:01:13,003 [audience cheers] 16 00:01:13,003 --> 00:01:14,004 [Audience Member] Rape rock! 17 00:01:14,004 --> 00:01:17,939 [audience cheers and applauds] 18 00:01:19,458 --> 00:01:20,701 ♪ Your body looks so fine 19 00:01:20,701 --> 00:01:22,392 ♪ I wanna make it mine 20 00:01:22,392 --> 00:01:26,293 ♪ You are my personal whore 21 00:01:26,293 --> 00:01:28,122 ♪ You can smell my butt 22 00:01:28,122 --> 00:01:29,917 ♪ Like a dirty slut 23 00:01:29,917 --> 00:01:30,745 ♪ Smell it 24 00:01:30,745 --> 00:01:31,574 [crowd cheers] 25 00:01:33,403 --> 00:01:36,372 [Man] That's rape rock, rape rock right there! 26 00:01:36,372 --> 00:01:38,443 [crowd cheers] 27 00:01:43,586 --> 00:01:46,554 [soft piano music] 28 00:01:59,809 --> 00:02:02,846 - I am Mama Duce, El Duce's Mother. 29 00:02:05,470 --> 00:02:07,437 My husband, Walter, had played 30 00:02:07,437 --> 00:02:09,681 the violin when he was younger, 31 00:02:09,681 --> 00:02:12,339 and then my older boy took up the guitar, 32 00:02:12,339 --> 00:02:17,344 and had his own band, then Eldon was interested in drums. 33 00:02:19,069 --> 00:02:21,313 [drum beat thuds] 34 00:02:25,248 --> 00:02:26,836 We played a lot of music at home. 35 00:02:26,836 --> 00:02:30,391 We had Kristofferson and country music. 36 00:02:30,391 --> 00:02:33,118 He had a lot of friends in school, always through school, 37 00:02:33,118 --> 00:02:36,466 but he was anxious to get out of school. 38 00:02:36,466 --> 00:02:38,882 He did not care about going to school very much. 39 00:02:38,882 --> 00:02:41,299 [drums thud] 40 00:02:42,645 --> 00:02:45,130 - I remember the first time they got together. 41 00:02:45,130 --> 00:02:46,890 It was called The Eldon Hoke Band. 42 00:02:48,098 --> 00:02:52,413 Dr. Heathen Scum, Sickie Wifebeater, and Eldon. 43 00:02:52,413 --> 00:02:56,037 I was 13 and so Eldon would have been 44 00:02:56,037 --> 00:02:59,627 about approximately 16, I was totally like Eldon, 45 00:02:59,627 --> 00:03:02,596 into trouble and over the next maybe two years, 46 00:03:02,596 --> 00:03:05,461 it morphed into the full on Mentors. 47 00:03:05,461 --> 00:03:07,221 Eldon became El Duce. 48 00:03:07,221 --> 00:03:10,017 [drums thud] 49 00:03:10,017 --> 00:03:11,915 - [Man] Yeah! 50 00:03:11,915 --> 00:03:15,609 [group whistles and cheers] 51 00:03:24,445 --> 00:03:29,450 - Fueled by the booze, his alcoholism started like 13, 14. 52 00:03:30,589 --> 00:03:32,350 He'd have a bottle of cough syrup 53 00:03:32,350 --> 00:03:34,766 and he'd chug the whole bottle of cough syrup. 54 00:03:35,974 --> 00:03:39,080 Relationship with his dad was awful. 55 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:42,670 But that was because I think there 56 00:03:42,670 --> 00:03:45,121 was maybe a learning disability. 57 00:03:45,121 --> 00:03:46,847 They sent him to this special school. 58 00:03:46,847 --> 00:03:49,298 He had dyslexia or something like that. 59 00:03:49,298 --> 00:03:52,370 But believe me, the intellect was there. 60 00:03:52,370 --> 00:03:54,682 I think it was advanced for his age. 61 00:03:54,682 --> 00:03:59,273 His dad had a room, I think it was a model train room. 62 00:03:59,273 --> 00:04:00,792 Because I'd go over to their house 63 00:04:00,792 --> 00:04:02,518 and we'd go down in their basement. 64 00:04:03,553 --> 00:04:05,175 ♪ Well I been drinking 65 00:04:05,175 --> 00:04:06,384 ♪ Since I was 15 66 00:04:06,384 --> 00:04:08,075 ♪ And I drink it hard 67 00:04:08,075 --> 00:04:10,077 ♪ And I'll drink it clean 68 00:04:10,077 --> 00:04:14,254 - And it was just like stacks and stacks of porno, 69 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:16,359 a huge collection of porno. 70 00:04:16,359 --> 00:04:19,638 Which was something I'd never really seen at the time. 71 00:04:22,538 --> 00:04:26,093 ♪ I'll drink booze from day to day ♪ 72 00:04:26,093 --> 00:04:28,060 ♪ Drink away my money 73 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:30,304 ♪ And all of my pain 74 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:33,549 ♪ Mother's milk it tasted fine 75 00:04:33,549 --> 00:04:35,482 ♪ But it felt better 76 00:04:35,482 --> 00:04:38,208 ♪ When I bled that wine 77 00:04:38,208 --> 00:04:41,453 ♪ This will leave me very poor 78 00:04:41,453 --> 00:04:45,768 ♪ 500 bottles or maybe more 79 00:04:45,768 --> 00:04:47,528 ♪ It's my thrill 80 00:04:47,528 --> 00:04:49,530 ♪ That'll make me think 81 00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:51,325 ♪ When I have a hit 82 00:04:51,325 --> 00:04:53,189 ♪ Off that bottle and drink 83 00:04:53,189 --> 00:04:56,296 - I'm the grumpy, old man of the band. 84 00:04:58,367 --> 00:05:01,853 I wanted to play guitar when I heard Jimi Hendrix 85 00:05:01,853 --> 00:05:05,719 and my Mom wanted me to learn how to play piano 86 00:05:05,719 --> 00:05:10,102 and hoped that the guitar thing was a phase. 87 00:05:11,449 --> 00:05:14,693 John Marshall Junior High, when he was walking 88 00:05:14,693 --> 00:05:17,351 down the hallway, he looked weird [laughs]. 89 00:05:19,146 --> 00:05:23,495 He had drumsticks so, that was a clue, something was up. 90 00:05:23,495 --> 00:05:25,911 [rock music] 91 00:05:31,434 --> 00:05:33,402 - We had been playing together 92 00:05:33,402 --> 00:05:35,438 for a few years in high school 93 00:05:35,438 --> 00:05:37,302 in a band called The Eldon Hoke Band. 94 00:05:38,476 --> 00:05:40,409 Just playing cover songs and things. 95 00:05:40,409 --> 00:05:42,203 When we all got out of high school, 96 00:05:43,619 --> 00:05:44,551 we were all kind of, didn't know what to do with our lives 97 00:05:44,551 --> 00:05:46,829 and wanted to become musicians. 98 00:05:46,829 --> 00:05:49,279 And at that time, the punk thing had started 99 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,420 with the Sex Pistols and all that kind of deal. 100 00:05:51,420 --> 00:05:55,182 And so we kind of hit that ball and ran with it. 101 00:05:55,182 --> 00:05:58,565 Figured, hey let's do this dirty lyric thing. 102 00:05:58,565 --> 00:06:01,015 [rock music] 103 00:06:02,431 --> 00:06:05,572 - El Duce growing up was just like the rest of us, 104 00:06:05,572 --> 00:06:10,577 just full of piss and vinegar as they say. 105 00:06:12,544 --> 00:06:16,168 - I was a vandal in school, I used to trash the bathrooms, 106 00:06:16,168 --> 00:06:20,690 blow up the toilets with M80s and stuff in high school. 107 00:06:20,690 --> 00:06:23,106 All of a sudden I was in class one day, 108 00:06:23,106 --> 00:06:26,869 drunk, as usual, and the teacher calls me 109 00:06:26,869 --> 00:06:29,181 and she goes, they want you down at the 110 00:06:29,181 --> 00:06:32,668 Dean of Students Office, and I knew somethin' was up. 111 00:06:32,668 --> 00:06:36,603 So I go down there, and the Dean of Students 112 00:06:36,603 --> 00:06:39,364 tells me, you're the one who's behind 113 00:06:39,364 --> 00:06:41,366 all the toilets gettin' blown up 114 00:06:41,366 --> 00:06:43,920 and the graffiti and the trash and the garbage cans 115 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,647 and everything else, and I go, what do you mean by that? 116 00:06:46,647 --> 00:06:50,513 And he goes, your buddies finked on you! 117 00:06:50,513 --> 00:06:52,619 You are the mentor behind it all! 118 00:06:52,619 --> 00:06:55,760 And then when I got kicked out of high school, 119 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,866 I decided it's time to form The Mentors. 120 00:06:58,866 --> 00:07:00,696 We formed in I'd say 1976. 121 00:07:01,593 --> 00:07:02,767 [rock music] 122 00:07:02,767 --> 00:07:04,354 - One of the first shows we did 123 00:07:05,873 --> 00:07:07,081 when we first started was in Tacoma. 124 00:07:07,081 --> 00:07:09,394 We grew up in Seattle and we somehow 125 00:07:09,394 --> 00:07:11,431 heard that there was this really cool club, 126 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:13,743 so we called up the owner, talked to the guy 127 00:07:13,743 --> 00:07:15,227 on the phone, me and El Duce 128 00:07:15,227 --> 00:07:16,712 and said, well, you need to send 129 00:07:16,712 --> 00:07:20,267 us a demo tape and a publicity pack. 130 00:07:20,267 --> 00:07:24,823 We actually made a copy of Deep Purple, Live in Japan 131 00:07:24,823 --> 00:07:26,273 and put it on a cassette 132 00:07:27,861 --> 00:07:30,933 and sent a promo picture of it and said it was us. 133 00:07:30,933 --> 00:07:32,590 And so he goes, "Okay, you guys are booked." 134 00:07:32,590 --> 00:07:33,798 At that time, we actually, 135 00:07:33,798 --> 00:07:36,697 our act was pretty shocking for the time. 136 00:07:36,697 --> 00:07:40,598 We had this girl that would dress all in sexy clothes 137 00:07:40,598 --> 00:07:42,496 and lingerie and come out with a whip. 138 00:07:44,498 --> 00:07:48,398 - We had a dancer called The Whipping Woman 139 00:07:48,398 --> 00:07:53,196 get up there with a whip and do her little shtick. 140 00:07:53,196 --> 00:07:54,543 - Now the club turned out to be 141 00:07:54,543 --> 00:07:56,372 not exactly as we thought it would be. 142 00:07:56,372 --> 00:08:00,721 It was more like a pizza joint rather than a rock club 143 00:08:00,721 --> 00:08:02,654 and they were actually having a birthday party 144 00:08:02,654 --> 00:08:05,277 for a five year old kid at the time, so [laughs]. 145 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:10,110 We got out there and started playing our stuff, 146 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:11,491 five year old kids that are coming up 147 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:14,045 with the little hats on and stuff. 148 00:08:14,045 --> 00:08:16,392 This was like a Chuck E. Cheese kind of scenario going on. 149 00:08:16,392 --> 00:08:20,016 We got about 30 seconds, maybe two or three minutes tops, 150 00:08:20,016 --> 00:08:22,709 and he's back at the soundboard, "Hey, you guys stop." 151 00:08:22,709 --> 00:08:25,297 So we were gonna play dumb, well, what's the problem? 152 00:08:25,297 --> 00:08:29,025 Why do we have to, well you know, you should figure out why. 153 00:08:29,025 --> 00:08:32,684 - They give us our 50 bucks and told us to hit the highway. 154 00:08:32,684 --> 00:08:36,032 - They paid us to stop, that happened more than once. 155 00:08:36,032 --> 00:08:37,965 We were booked in Vancouver, Canada. 156 00:08:37,965 --> 00:08:41,210 - We're banned in Canada because we went up 157 00:08:41,210 --> 00:08:43,971 there to play two shows, there was actually 158 00:08:43,971 --> 00:08:47,009 people protesting out front of the club. 159 00:08:47,009 --> 00:08:49,149 - [Narrator] The band is playing tonight 160 00:08:49,149 --> 00:08:52,359 downstairs at Wellington's on Albert Street. 161 00:08:52,359 --> 00:08:55,880 The band members called Duce, Dr. Heathen Scum, 162 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,400 and Sickie Wifebeater, it's all part of a publicity stunt. 163 00:09:01,195 --> 00:09:02,403 Outside the bar, protestors find 164 00:09:02,403 --> 00:09:04,544 the concept of rape rock appalling. 165 00:09:07,167 --> 00:09:10,032 - They told us once we got out 166 00:09:10,032 --> 00:09:12,448 of the country, never come back. 167 00:09:12,448 --> 00:09:13,863 - I think our fans call it rape rock, 168 00:09:13,863 --> 00:09:17,626 because it totally blows away all the other music 169 00:09:17,626 --> 00:09:22,631 that's on the market, and flooding the marketplace today. 170 00:09:23,735 --> 00:09:25,150 - [Narrator] If tonight is any indication, 171 00:09:25,150 --> 00:09:26,566 heavy metal rockers will probably 172 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,534 pack up Wellington's tomorrow night as well. 173 00:09:29,534 --> 00:09:31,018 [somber piano music] 174 00:09:31,018 --> 00:09:33,089 - Pretty soon they were banned from just about every club. 175 00:09:33,089 --> 00:09:35,402 They were actually, you can't play 176 00:09:36,541 --> 00:09:37,749 here anymore [chuckles], you're too hardcore. 177 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,996 - Back when we started, it wasn't unusual, 178 00:09:42,996 --> 00:09:44,756 actually, for people to get arrested 179 00:09:44,756 --> 00:09:46,447 for saying dirty lyrics in public. 180 00:09:46,447 --> 00:09:48,518 You were kind of skating on thin ice to do it 181 00:09:48,518 --> 00:09:51,383 because there was the threat of getting arrested. 182 00:09:51,383 --> 00:09:54,559 We played a role, I think, in corrupting society. 183 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,976 ♪ One, two, three, four 184 00:10:10,264 --> 00:10:11,093 ♪ Suck and fuck 185 00:10:11,093 --> 00:10:12,370 ♪ And cook and clean 186 00:10:12,370 --> 00:10:14,855 ♪ Baby, do you know what I mean ♪ 187 00:10:14,855 --> 00:10:16,719 ♪ You gotta do it everyday 188 00:10:16,719 --> 00:10:18,859 ♪ Suck and fuck and cook and clean ♪ 189 00:10:18,859 --> 00:10:21,966 ♪ Slut, do you know what I mean ♪ 190 00:10:21,966 --> 00:10:24,624 ♪ It's the only way 191 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:27,627 ♪ First you suck 192 00:10:27,627 --> 00:10:30,699 ♪ Then you fuck 193 00:10:30,699 --> 00:10:32,114 ♪ Then you cook 194 00:10:32,114 --> 00:10:34,012 - All the lyrics are based on true stuff 195 00:10:34,012 --> 00:10:39,017 and our deepest, happy desires to do things, legal or not. 196 00:10:42,262 --> 00:10:44,644 [rock music] 197 00:10:56,310 --> 00:10:58,140 - Pushing the boundaries lyrically. 198 00:10:58,140 --> 00:10:59,797 - Well, the lyrics are explicit, 199 00:10:59,797 --> 00:11:02,040 there's nothing that they won't sing about. 200 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,560 - Peeping Tom, Going Through her Purse, 201 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:07,183 Four F Club, it's like 4-H Club. 202 00:11:07,183 --> 00:11:08,012 ♪ Find her 203 00:11:08,012 --> 00:11:08,840 ♪ Feel her 204 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:09,669 ♪ Fuck her 205 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:11,153 ♪ Forget her 206 00:11:11,153 --> 00:11:12,085 - Golden showers. 207 00:11:12,085 --> 00:11:13,603 - Four F Club. 208 00:11:13,603 --> 00:11:16,883 - Four F Club, Going Through Your Purse, White Trash Woman. 209 00:11:16,883 --> 00:11:17,780 ♪ Rock em 210 00:11:17,780 --> 00:11:18,643 ♪ Sock em 211 00:11:18,643 --> 00:11:19,782 ♪ It's a gas 212 00:11:19,782 --> 00:11:20,749 ♪ Rock 'em 213 00:11:20,749 --> 00:11:21,611 ♪ Sock 'em 214 00:11:21,611 --> 00:11:22,820 ♪ Gonna kick your ass 215 00:11:22,820 --> 00:11:25,236 - And then the version of Woman from Sodom 216 00:11:25,236 --> 00:11:28,239 where he sings along with the guitar line at the beginning. 217 00:11:28,239 --> 00:11:30,724 [John grunts] 218 00:11:32,070 --> 00:11:34,383 [laughs] Brilliant. 219 00:11:34,383 --> 00:11:36,799 ♪ We are the kings of sleaze 220 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:38,490 ♪ Shut up, bitch 221 00:11:38,490 --> 00:11:40,527 ♪ Get on your knees 222 00:11:40,527 --> 00:11:43,737 ♪ We are the kings of sleaze 223 00:11:43,737 --> 00:11:47,396 ♪ We don't have venereal disease ♪ 224 00:11:47,396 --> 00:11:49,743 [rock music] 225 00:12:09,798 --> 00:12:11,903 - [Radio DJ] All right, that was The Mentors right there, 226 00:12:11,903 --> 00:12:13,249 Kings of Sleaze. 227 00:12:13,249 --> 00:12:15,424 - Hey, all you sluts out there, 228 00:12:15,424 --> 00:12:17,633 are you tired of hanging out with 229 00:12:17,633 --> 00:12:20,740 a bunch of low life, glam rock fags? 230 00:12:20,740 --> 00:12:22,258 Why don't you go for a real man? 231 00:12:22,258 --> 00:12:25,054 A booze guzzling, porno reading man. 232 00:12:25,054 --> 00:12:28,817 Enter The Mentors Dream Date Contest, 233 00:12:28,817 --> 00:12:32,613 and you can win a good date with me, El Duce [laughs]! 234 00:12:33,994 --> 00:12:38,619 Now all you have to do is send me a nude, 235 00:12:38,619 --> 00:12:43,624 explicitly nude, photo of yourself, and some cash! 236 00:12:45,005 --> 00:12:46,524 I've gotta support my drinking habit, now baby. 237 00:12:46,524 --> 00:12:50,079 Whoever gets my geyser gushing the quickest, wins! 238 00:12:51,425 --> 00:12:54,670 [static hums] 239 00:12:54,670 --> 00:12:57,052 [rock music] 240 00:12:58,260 --> 00:12:59,779 - [Woman] The most hated band in the universe. 241 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:01,988 - They called their music rape rock. 242 00:13:01,988 --> 00:13:03,886 - They're definitely pioneers for 243 00:13:03,886 --> 00:13:05,992 the genre that we now call rape rock. 244 00:13:05,992 --> 00:13:08,201 - That's rape rock, rape rock! 245 00:13:08,201 --> 00:13:10,755 - How else was a middle aged man gonna get pussy? 246 00:13:10,755 --> 00:13:15,035 - [Man] Tits, ass, pussy! 247 00:13:15,035 --> 00:13:17,555 - No sissies need apply in that band. 248 00:13:17,555 --> 00:13:20,730 - They had topless dancers, strippers on stage. 249 00:13:20,730 --> 00:13:22,698 - [Man] Nobody was a band like that, ever. 250 00:13:22,698 --> 00:13:26,598 ["Donkey Dick" by The Mentors] 251 00:13:35,366 --> 00:13:37,126 ♪ I got a donkey dick 252 00:13:37,126 --> 00:13:38,956 ♪ It'll make you sick 253 00:13:38,956 --> 00:13:40,785 ♪ I got a donkey dick 254 00:13:40,785 --> 00:13:42,338 ♪ It's big and thick 255 00:13:42,338 --> 00:13:44,340 ♪ I got a donkey dick 256 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:46,204 ♪ It's a hell of a fact 257 00:13:46,204 --> 00:13:47,896 ♪ I got a donkey dick 258 00:13:47,896 --> 00:13:49,759 ♪ It's where it's at 259 00:13:49,759 --> 00:13:51,554 - The Mentors were like Mad Magazine, 260 00:13:51,554 --> 00:13:52,383 and Cracked, 261 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:55,696 kind of on acid and steroids and pumped up to 10 262 00:13:55,696 --> 00:13:59,355 with good music behind it, and that's what the appeal was. 263 00:13:59,355 --> 00:14:01,150 You get a bite on your hook, you keep putting 264 00:14:01,150 --> 00:14:02,565 the same bait on there, right? 265 00:14:02,565 --> 00:14:05,534 It looked like cartoons, executioner hoods, 266 00:14:05,534 --> 00:14:07,398 Steve with the big glasses, because he used to wear 267 00:14:07,398 --> 00:14:10,642 those big Ernie from My Three Sons glasses. 268 00:14:10,642 --> 00:14:13,059 [rock music] 269 00:14:17,684 --> 00:14:21,101 And Sickie was the other rock and roll star with the hair. 270 00:14:21,101 --> 00:14:24,242 [hard rock music] 271 00:14:24,242 --> 00:14:28,971 - The Mentors kind of made an art out of objectifying women, 272 00:14:28,971 --> 00:14:32,354 that was sort of the humor of where they were coming from. 273 00:14:32,354 --> 00:14:35,702 I think shock rock had two different avenues. 274 00:14:35,702 --> 00:14:38,947 There was the shock with the production value, 275 00:14:38,947 --> 00:14:41,432 that was everything from the Plasmatics, 276 00:14:41,432 --> 00:14:44,262 Gwar, with all their effects, 277 00:14:44,262 --> 00:14:45,746 that was one side of shock, 278 00:14:45,746 --> 00:14:48,025 and then other side of shock was just using profanity 279 00:14:48,025 --> 00:14:51,269 and saying unpopular things, so that was more 280 00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:54,169 like GG Allin, Mentors, Dwarves kind of thing. 281 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,827 I think it came about for the same reason 282 00:14:57,827 --> 00:15:01,141 punk came about in the 70s which was that 283 00:15:01,141 --> 00:15:03,764 people just got bored with the status quo. 284 00:15:03,764 --> 00:15:05,525 Anything that was too predictable 285 00:15:05,525 --> 00:15:09,115 breeds this kind of, well let's do something even nastier. 286 00:15:09,115 --> 00:15:11,531 Let's go out on a limb even more here. 287 00:15:11,531 --> 00:15:13,429 Let's really plum the dark side. 288 00:15:13,429 --> 00:15:16,191 - For about three years, it was a wide open thing. 289 00:15:16,191 --> 00:15:19,608 So there wasn't categories, there wasn't even really metal. 290 00:15:19,608 --> 00:15:23,370 Like even Black Sabbath was a hard rock band back then. 291 00:15:23,370 --> 00:15:26,580 Judas Priest was hard rock, GG Allin, though, 292 00:15:26,580 --> 00:15:29,238 he was on the East Coast doing other stuff. 293 00:15:29,238 --> 00:15:30,930 Doing legitimate punk type stuff. 294 00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,139 GG Allin's is definitely more shock rock 295 00:15:33,139 --> 00:15:37,937 where El Duce had a real great mind, genius mind for lyrics 296 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:42,320 that were self-effacing and making fun of himself. 297 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,460 Rather than just trying to piss people off, 298 00:15:44,460 --> 00:15:47,394 he would offend people, but in a way that you kind 299 00:15:47,394 --> 00:15:50,708 of loved the guy because it's like, that's funny. 300 00:15:50,708 --> 00:15:53,538 Where GG Allin wasn't all that funny. 301 00:15:53,538 --> 00:15:57,542 GG Allin was a perpetrator, which is a whole 302 00:15:57,542 --> 00:15:59,544 different thing, this was a rock and roll band 303 00:15:59,544 --> 00:16:01,201 with kind of funny lyrics, I think they're going 304 00:16:01,201 --> 00:16:03,790 for more comedy than shock rock, actually. 305 00:16:03,790 --> 00:16:05,861 I Wanna Build a Shit Tower, gimme a break. 306 00:16:05,861 --> 00:16:09,244 How many people here have wanted to build a shit tower? 307 00:16:09,244 --> 00:16:11,108 [people laugh] 308 00:16:11,108 --> 00:16:13,455 - They brought it back to that stage in life 309 00:16:13,455 --> 00:16:15,733 when you still were playing with your own shit. 310 00:16:15,733 --> 00:16:17,424 [mud splats] 311 00:16:17,424 --> 00:16:18,978 - He knew what he was doing in the fact 312 00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,738 that he knew if he did what he did, 313 00:16:20,738 --> 00:16:22,533 people were gonna get pissed. 314 00:16:22,533 --> 00:16:25,536 In music nowadays, the risk isn't there 315 00:16:25,536 --> 00:16:27,952 because things are so diversified. 316 00:16:27,952 --> 00:16:30,472 The shock value had died down 317 00:16:30,472 --> 00:16:33,026 and that's one thing that The Mentors brought back. 318 00:16:39,377 --> 00:16:40,896 ♪ When you're horny 319 00:16:40,896 --> 00:16:43,140 ♪ You're horny 320 00:16:43,140 --> 00:16:46,350 ♪ When you're horny like me 321 00:16:46,350 --> 00:16:47,454 ♪ When you're horny 322 00:16:47,454 --> 00:16:50,112 ♪ You're horny 323 00:16:50,112 --> 00:16:52,839 - Early on, they played punk rock shows probably 324 00:16:52,839 --> 00:16:54,944 because they couldn't play anywhere else. 325 00:16:54,944 --> 00:16:56,808 It was the punk rockers that liked 'em. 326 00:16:56,808 --> 00:16:58,845 That was their following. 327 00:16:58,845 --> 00:17:00,329 - They definitely had a big punk rock following, 328 00:17:00,329 --> 00:17:03,332 but only half of the punk rockers could take 'em. 329 00:17:03,332 --> 00:17:06,611 They were too hardcore for a lot of 'em. 330 00:17:06,611 --> 00:17:07,440 ♪ When you're horny 331 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,097 ♪ You're horny 332 00:17:09,097 --> 00:17:12,272 - And at that time, there was the beginning 333 00:17:12,272 --> 00:17:13,929 of the punk/metal crossover scene, 334 00:17:13,929 --> 00:17:16,414 so it was a lot less defined. 335 00:17:16,414 --> 00:17:19,969 - I think there was social hatred between the two of them. 336 00:17:19,969 --> 00:17:22,213 The metal people thought punk was all for people 337 00:17:22,213 --> 00:17:24,008 that couldn't play music, who didn't give a fuck. 338 00:17:24,008 --> 00:17:25,906 I think the punk guys thought of the metal guys 339 00:17:25,906 --> 00:17:28,771 as they were commercial, pretentious bullshit. 340 00:17:28,771 --> 00:17:30,773 The good stuff rises to the top, 341 00:17:30,773 --> 00:17:33,500 and the bullshit falls away. 342 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:34,915 - One thing about The Mentors, too, 343 00:17:34,915 --> 00:17:36,745 was they don't get a lot of credit, 344 00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:38,540 I think that you play shock rock, 345 00:17:38,540 --> 00:17:40,266 people are gonna focus on one thing. 346 00:17:40,266 --> 00:17:44,201 But they all can play, they're great musicians. 347 00:17:44,201 --> 00:17:47,963 Because of the subject matter, that gets overlooked. 348 00:17:47,963 --> 00:17:51,622 ["Free Fix" by The Mentors] 349 00:18:23,654 --> 00:18:24,482 ♪ Hey, hey slut 350 00:18:24,482 --> 00:18:26,174 ♪ Isn't it nice 351 00:18:26,174 --> 00:18:28,003 ♪ Ooh yeah 352 00:18:28,003 --> 00:18:29,591 ♪ It's time to raise the price 353 00:18:29,591 --> 00:18:31,317 ♪ Get your junk now 354 00:18:31,317 --> 00:18:32,628 ♪ Is it everyday 355 00:18:32,628 --> 00:18:35,804 ♪ Now you have to get real sleazy ♪ 356 00:18:35,804 --> 00:18:39,463 ♪ Not just a slut fuck 357 00:18:39,463 --> 00:18:42,673 ♪ But a good butt fuck 358 00:18:42,673 --> 00:18:46,332 ♪ Free fix for a butt fuck 359 00:18:46,332 --> 00:18:49,818 ♪ Free fix for a butt fuck 360 00:18:49,818 --> 00:18:52,441 ♪ Free fix for a butt fuck 361 00:18:52,441 --> 00:18:55,824 ♪ Free fix for a butt fuck 362 00:18:55,824 --> 00:18:59,138 ♪ Free fix for a butt fuck 363 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:02,831 ♪ Free fix for a butt fuck 364 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,940 [audience applauds and cheers] 365 00:19:14,601 --> 00:19:16,603 - [Man] Hey, Sickie, turn it up! 366 00:19:16,603 --> 00:19:18,433 - Are you ready for these guys? 367 00:19:18,433 --> 00:19:21,021 [crowd cheers] 368 00:19:27,096 --> 00:19:28,822 You wanted it, here you go! 369 00:19:28,822 --> 00:19:30,099 [audience cheers] 370 00:19:30,099 --> 00:19:32,171 - It was hard for big labels to pick 'em up, 371 00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:34,966 because they were so hardcore. 372 00:19:34,966 --> 00:19:37,452 - A couple of our bands on the label had seen them play. 373 00:19:37,452 --> 00:19:39,764 I think they opened for somebody like Bitch or... 374 00:19:39,764 --> 00:19:41,766 And they said, you have to see this band, 375 00:19:41,766 --> 00:19:43,561 they're hysterical, saw them live 376 00:19:43,561 --> 00:19:45,701 and it was just incredibly crazy. 377 00:19:45,701 --> 00:19:47,703 They put some stuff out before, 378 00:19:47,703 --> 00:19:49,705 and it kind of was in the underground, 379 00:19:49,705 --> 00:19:51,673 a lot of tape traders and stuff were happening at the time. 380 00:19:51,673 --> 00:19:54,193 They became this little underground sensation 381 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,436 because they were really funny, 382 00:19:56,436 --> 00:19:58,231 and the music was really good, as well. 383 00:19:58,231 --> 00:20:01,752 Once I got into and started listening to it and 384 00:20:01,752 --> 00:20:02,925 seen what they were doing live, 385 00:20:02,925 --> 00:20:04,203 I'm like, oh man, these guys are amazing. 386 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:05,652 Somebody's gotta do something with them, 387 00:20:05,652 --> 00:20:07,758 so we ended up doing a couple records with them. 388 00:20:07,758 --> 00:20:10,209 [rock music] 389 00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:14,972 El was an interesting guy, when he was sober, 390 00:20:14,972 --> 00:20:18,251 he was unbelievably smart and an incredible drummer. 391 00:20:18,251 --> 00:20:21,358 Unfortunately, he wasn't sober a whole lot of the time. 392 00:20:21,358 --> 00:20:22,911 So trying to make a record in the 393 00:20:22,911 --> 00:20:24,430 studio was a little difficult. 394 00:20:24,430 --> 00:20:27,571 He'd come in and we'd maybe an hours worth of work done 395 00:20:27,571 --> 00:20:30,539 and then he would get so drunk it would just fall apart. 396 00:20:30,539 --> 00:20:33,853 We figured out a way that we would reward him 397 00:20:33,853 --> 00:20:35,751 with giving him free beers, like, 398 00:20:35,751 --> 00:20:37,615 hey if you get these takes down then we'll give you 399 00:20:37,615 --> 00:20:39,445 some beer because half the time 400 00:20:39,445 --> 00:20:42,275 we were making these records, Bill Metoyer, 401 00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:43,828 the engineer and I were just laughing, dying laughing. 402 00:20:43,828 --> 00:20:45,796 Their shows were a riot, too, 403 00:20:45,796 --> 00:20:47,901 because you never knew what was gonna happen. 404 00:20:47,901 --> 00:20:49,524 It's interesting with them because there was the danger 405 00:20:49,524 --> 00:20:51,664 aspect of just what they were doing on stage 406 00:20:51,664 --> 00:20:53,873 and the lyrical stuff, but also the danger 407 00:20:53,873 --> 00:20:56,358 of you don't know what shape they're gonna 408 00:20:56,358 --> 00:20:59,603 be in when they show up, they could be completely sober 409 00:20:59,603 --> 00:21:02,019 and have an amazing show, or they could be completely 410 00:21:02,019 --> 00:21:05,609 wasted and play two songs and completely fall apart 411 00:21:05,609 --> 00:21:07,576 and then get in fights on stage and 412 00:21:07,576 --> 00:21:11,304 it was definitely, that was a dangerous band at the time. 413 00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:13,064 ["Secretary Hump" by The Mentors] 414 00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:14,376 ♪ I'm just a horny slob 415 00:21:14,376 --> 00:21:18,277 ♪ Here comes my secretary hump 416 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:21,521 ♪ Gonna cram my dick up in her rump ♪ 417 00:21:21,521 --> 00:21:24,593 - Much as those guys were great and El was amazing, 418 00:21:24,593 --> 00:21:26,940 they were not the best business people to deal with 419 00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:29,288 because they liked to drink a little too much. 420 00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:31,290 - What happened with Duce was he got, 421 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:32,877 because of the way he lived his life 422 00:21:32,877 --> 00:21:34,500 and his alcohol problem, he would be 423 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:36,295 constantly surrounded with low life's. 424 00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:39,919 Just really the worst possible [laughs]. 425 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,301 So there was this one guy, I won't mention his name, 426 00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:44,337 he's probably still alive, all of a sudden 427 00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:47,098 proclaimed himself as El Duce's manager. 428 00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:48,790 Now anybody that's hanging out with them, 429 00:21:48,790 --> 00:21:51,448 giving them a beer, anything, that's all it took. 430 00:21:51,448 --> 00:21:54,071 His main goal was to try to get more money 431 00:21:54,071 --> 00:21:56,280 so they can buy beer and get fucked up. 432 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,938 - The first time we actually had a real office, 433 00:21:58,938 --> 00:22:00,215 we had a meeting with the band 434 00:22:00,215 --> 00:22:02,286 and their, I'm going to put in quotes, 435 00:22:02,286 --> 00:22:05,324 manager, would float in, so he was wasted. 436 00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:08,568 And then, of course, El was always wasted. 437 00:22:08,568 --> 00:22:12,123 - This manager guy and Duce both went in, 438 00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:14,885 completely shit-faced, unbathed, 439 00:22:16,024 --> 00:22:18,923 and demanding money, tried to get an advance. 440 00:22:18,923 --> 00:22:21,719 I think that Brian was probably 441 00:22:21,719 --> 00:22:23,514 fairly generous with El Duce. 442 00:22:23,514 --> 00:22:24,998 - We didn't really get a lot of work 443 00:22:24,998 --> 00:22:27,967 done in that meeting, they were a little out of control. 444 00:22:27,967 --> 00:22:29,796 - He said, no and they asked him to leave 445 00:22:29,796 --> 00:22:33,731 and so Duce took out his dick 446 00:22:33,731 --> 00:22:37,356 and started drunkenly peeing all over the guys desk. 447 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:38,805 That put the icing on the cake 448 00:22:38,805 --> 00:22:40,773 and the guy was no longer interested. 449 00:22:40,773 --> 00:22:42,464 - We were a little scared at the time 450 00:22:42,464 --> 00:22:44,259 [laughs] when that happened. 451 00:22:44,259 --> 00:22:47,089 - We started going in a down slide as a result of that. 452 00:22:47,089 --> 00:22:48,746 - But it was a lot of fun working with those guys. 453 00:22:48,746 --> 00:22:51,749 I mean, legendary band they've become now. 454 00:22:51,749 --> 00:22:54,683 It's really amazing that we had our little part in it. 455 00:22:54,683 --> 00:22:57,168 - El Duce was a little bit more daring 456 00:22:57,168 --> 00:22:59,930 and didn't really give a shit. 457 00:22:59,930 --> 00:23:02,035 Yeah, I mean, he didn't really stop at dirty lyrics. 458 00:23:02,035 --> 00:23:05,245 I mean, he would expose himself and play with himself. 459 00:23:06,108 --> 00:23:08,490 [rock music] 460 00:23:10,803 --> 00:23:12,701 [El Duce farts] 461 00:23:12,701 --> 00:23:14,393 [El Duce makes noise with tongue] 462 00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:15,463 - Right here. 463 00:23:20,985 --> 00:23:22,159 ♪ Here they come 464 00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:23,678 ♪ Sweet little girl 465 00:23:23,678 --> 00:23:27,406 ♪ I'll teach ya how to fuck 466 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,409 ♪ Come on over here 467 00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:31,548 ♪ Pull down my pants 468 00:23:31,548 --> 00:23:32,756 ♪ And start to suck 469 00:23:32,756 --> 00:23:35,172 - Sex, drugs, rock and roll, you know how 470 00:23:35,172 --> 00:23:38,106 they party [laughs], especially Sickie. 471 00:23:38,106 --> 00:23:41,937 - Gettin' high all the time, boozing it up, talking shit. 472 00:23:41,937 --> 00:23:43,560 - Eldon was fearless and you know 473 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,565 how Broy can be and Sickie, Sickie can just shred. 474 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,948 ["Peeping Tom" by The Mentors] 475 00:24:09,309 --> 00:24:10,379 ♪ I'm a peeping 476 00:24:10,379 --> 00:24:12,934 ♪ I'm a peeping Tom 477 00:24:12,934 --> 00:24:16,144 ♪ And all these hits you take 478 00:24:16,144 --> 00:24:18,284 - I first saw The Mentors, I was doing 479 00:24:18,284 --> 00:24:20,873 sound at the Cathay De Grande. 480 00:24:20,873 --> 00:24:25,187 These guys got up there and the lead singer, 481 00:24:25,187 --> 00:24:27,880 who was the drummer, he had really good diction 482 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,746 so you could understand, he'd annunciate every dirty word, 483 00:24:31,746 --> 00:24:33,920 and then this guitar player, Sickie, 484 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,267 he did a lot of over hand stuff. 485 00:24:36,267 --> 00:24:38,477 Sickie was a big influence on a lot 486 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:40,409 of people with the over hand stuff. 487 00:24:40,409 --> 00:24:42,757 Of course, I know they were a big influence 488 00:24:42,757 --> 00:24:45,898 on Metallica, met the lead singer 489 00:24:45,898 --> 00:24:48,107 of Metallica backstage at one of their shows. 490 00:24:48,107 --> 00:24:50,489 - They're basically just obnoxious heavy metal, 491 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:51,835 really obnoxious. 492 00:24:51,835 --> 00:24:53,388 Yeah, they were the poster boys 493 00:24:53,388 --> 00:24:56,598 of the shock rock, the dirty lyrics, 494 00:24:56,598 --> 00:24:59,325 oh my god, the world's going to hell in a hand basket. 495 00:25:00,464 --> 00:25:03,329 It was a joke, he had the greatest raps 496 00:25:03,329 --> 00:25:06,125 between songs that you've ever heard. 497 00:25:06,125 --> 00:25:08,679 Like the album Live at the Cathay De Grande. 498 00:25:08,679 --> 00:25:10,819 ♪ I don't know why you girls have your noses in the air ♪ 499 00:25:10,819 --> 00:25:13,339 - [Man] All these girls with their noses in the air. 500 00:25:13,339 --> 00:25:15,514 - Unprintable [laughs] 501 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,240 - It's a hybrid with really hardcore punk 502 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,004 meets classic heavy metal, with insanely sexist 503 00:25:24,764 --> 00:25:29,769 yet hilarious lyrics, like Don Rickles made it up. 504 00:25:31,219 --> 00:25:32,807 - They really believe that our people crossed the red sea. 505 00:25:32,807 --> 00:25:34,671 Two Jews went [imitates gulping water]. 506 00:25:34,671 --> 00:25:36,189 [audience laughs] 507 00:25:36,189 --> 00:25:37,950 - And we loved shock rock, everyone loves Alice Cooper 508 00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:40,677 and KISS, they had great songs, regardless 509 00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:44,163 of the lyrical content, that's all for your taste, 510 00:25:44,163 --> 00:25:45,958 but the music is slamming good. 511 00:25:45,958 --> 00:25:49,409 Because it's just awesome riffing, it's awesome. 512 00:25:49,409 --> 00:25:53,482 ["Sleep Bandits" by The Mentors] 513 00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:26,170 ♪ We're creepy crawling through the night ♪ 514 00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:29,484 ♪ We're looking for some pussy good and tight ♪ 515 00:26:29,484 --> 00:26:32,660 ♪ Hopefully you will be drunk and asleep ♪ 516 00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:36,905 ♪ For us to sink our dicks in deep ♪ 517 00:26:41,151 --> 00:26:43,291 - I feared that someone would beat 518 00:26:43,291 --> 00:26:45,604 the crap out of him for what he was saying. 519 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,813 When he would sing these offensive things 520 00:26:47,813 --> 00:26:50,263 about women and how they're, you know, 521 00:26:50,263 --> 00:26:53,473 what The Mentors sing about, the reactions 522 00:26:53,473 --> 00:26:56,891 of many women, back then, they would freak out. 523 00:26:56,891 --> 00:27:00,722 Since he was my brother, I knew he was all about shock. 524 00:27:00,722 --> 00:27:03,932 He would say anything that would ruffle your feathers. 525 00:27:03,932 --> 00:27:06,210 A lot of women were not pleased. 526 00:27:06,210 --> 00:27:09,420 Most men rooted him on, though. 527 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:11,353 And they used terms like, rape rock. 528 00:27:11,353 --> 00:27:14,149 Well, Alice Cooper did a lot of crazy things too, 529 00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:17,946 like biting off heads of pigeons and stuff. 530 00:27:17,946 --> 00:27:19,983 I think he was the one that did that. 531 00:27:19,983 --> 00:27:21,640 [record screeches] [bird bones snap] 532 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,090 Because I knew my brother, I knew he was no rapist 533 00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:27,784 and he was no wife beater and he was none of these things. 534 00:27:27,784 --> 00:27:31,788 Now I can't say the same for Sickie Wifebeater. 535 00:27:32,685 --> 00:27:33,548 - Uh-oh. 536 00:27:34,583 --> 00:27:37,932 I was fuckin' my wife for awhile, 537 00:27:37,932 --> 00:27:42,661 and then one day I noticed that she smelled kind of funny 538 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,766 'cause I would doin' the Sickie sniffer test. 539 00:27:44,766 --> 00:27:47,113 - [Interviewer] What's the Sickie sniffer test? 540 00:27:47,113 --> 00:27:48,252 - You know how you always gotta lick 'em 541 00:27:48,252 --> 00:27:50,634 before you dick 'em, this time 542 00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:54,603 I like to sniff 'em before I smack 'em. 543 00:27:54,603 --> 00:27:57,572 We have a song called, The Sickie Sniffer Test, 544 00:27:57,572 --> 00:28:01,162 also based on a true [laughs]. 545 00:28:01,162 --> 00:28:02,784 Like I said, everything is true 546 00:28:02,784 --> 00:28:05,131 or has a kernel of truth to it. 547 00:28:05,131 --> 00:28:08,514 And in this particular case, I sniffed 548 00:28:08,514 --> 00:28:10,067 and I didn't like what I smelt. 549 00:28:10,067 --> 00:28:12,207 I smelled another man, at least 550 00:28:12,207 --> 00:28:14,693 it didn't smell like another woman. 551 00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,972 ♪ Five horny Mentors 552 00:28:17,972 --> 00:28:20,871 ♪ We have a request 553 00:28:20,871 --> 00:28:23,391 ♪ Can you pass 554 00:28:23,391 --> 00:28:26,394 ♪ The Sickie Sniffer Test 555 00:28:26,394 --> 00:28:29,155 ♪ Slut said that I won't tell him nothin' ♪ 556 00:28:29,155 --> 00:28:32,331 ♪ We were in my bed and we were hopin' ♪ 557 00:28:32,331 --> 00:28:33,642 ♪ I was gonna 558 00:28:33,642 --> 00:28:35,506 ♪ I was gonna tell her somethin' ♪ 559 00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:36,542 ♪ How does sloppy seconds 560 00:28:36,542 --> 00:28:38,233 ♪ Taste to your husband 561 00:28:38,233 --> 00:28:40,960 ♪ To black guys through the butt ♪ 562 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,963 ♪ Alone in bed and nice surprise ♪ 563 00:28:43,963 --> 00:28:45,344 ♪ Broken jaw 564 00:28:45,344 --> 00:28:46,759 ♪ Knocked out teeth 565 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,381 ♪ Your husband kicked your slutty ass ♪ 566 00:28:48,381 --> 00:28:50,590 ♪ Because you were fuckin' me 567 00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:55,112 - Sometimes it'd be violence at the shows and stuff. 568 00:28:55,112 --> 00:28:56,700 We would have a cross section 569 00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:01,705 of metal-ers and punkers and then straight edge 570 00:29:02,879 --> 00:29:06,020 skinheads that wanted to beat up people. 571 00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:08,022 I remember one time 572 00:29:08,022 --> 00:29:11,646 when we were in LA, we got invited to some house party, 573 00:29:11,646 --> 00:29:15,788 but skinheads were running the joint 574 00:29:15,788 --> 00:29:18,929 and they didn't like the fact that I had long hair. 575 00:29:18,929 --> 00:29:21,138 They said, "Well you can come, 576 00:29:21,138 --> 00:29:23,209 "but you gotta wear your hood." 577 00:29:23,209 --> 00:29:27,075 I go, I wouldn't be caught in a skinhead place without one. 578 00:29:27,075 --> 00:29:29,146 - El Duce came out with the idea 579 00:29:29,146 --> 00:29:32,736 of wearing executioner hoods because he was big fan 580 00:29:32,736 --> 00:29:34,703 of this movie, Mark of the Devil, 581 00:29:34,703 --> 00:29:37,430 which was a cult, horror movie. 582 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:39,674 - I collect a lot of horror films 583 00:29:39,674 --> 00:29:41,987 and this guy was chopping off all these people's heads. 584 00:29:41,987 --> 00:29:43,782 - One of these guys with hoods 585 00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:47,889 would torture all these people for alleged crimes 586 00:29:47,889 --> 00:29:49,615 against the church and things like that. 587 00:29:49,615 --> 00:29:52,135 - And I go, man, that guys got the coolest outfit, 588 00:29:52,135 --> 00:29:54,275 I gotta get one just like it, and I go, 589 00:29:54,275 --> 00:29:57,830 that's what we'll do, we'll all wear execution hoods! 590 00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:59,970 - So he had the idea to do that and make it sort 591 00:29:59,970 --> 00:30:03,387 of like KISS, where it was a secret identity thing. 592 00:30:03,387 --> 00:30:05,734 - Well I figured, KISS have their look, 593 00:30:05,734 --> 00:30:08,565 and The Beatles have their look, we gotta have our look. 594 00:30:08,565 --> 00:30:11,464 - Yeah, we did get mistaken, lumped in 595 00:30:11,464 --> 00:30:15,330 with the Ku Klux Klan, occasionally, that would happen. 596 00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:17,056 But we just have to explain to people, 597 00:30:17,056 --> 00:30:19,576 no these aren't white hoods, they're black hoods 598 00:30:19,576 --> 00:30:21,060 but it is a little complicated 599 00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:23,580 because the Ku Klux Klan, they actually have some 600 00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:26,272 of the higher ranking guys in the clan are allowed 601 00:30:26,272 --> 00:30:27,929 to wear black hoods, so [laughs], 602 00:30:29,275 --> 00:30:31,864 that created also some problems. 603 00:30:31,864 --> 00:30:35,143 We were an integrated band, that would cause problems, also. 604 00:30:35,143 --> 00:30:37,663 - I guess I'm the Sammy Davis Junior of the group. 605 00:30:39,009 --> 00:30:40,528 Erase it. 606 00:30:40,528 --> 00:30:42,081 Steve always tell me to leave his white women alone 607 00:30:42,081 --> 00:30:45,050 and I'm always telling him, leave my black women alone. 608 00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:47,328 [rock music] 609 00:30:47,328 --> 00:30:49,123 - [Steve] Hands off my white women, Loma. 610 00:30:49,123 --> 00:30:51,435 [Loma laughs] 611 00:30:51,435 --> 00:30:52,747 - What kind of shit is that? 612 00:30:52,747 --> 00:30:55,923 Pussy is pussy, I always thought. 613 00:30:55,923 --> 00:31:00,237 ["Chicks With Dicks" by The Mentors 614 00:31:10,903 --> 00:31:13,975 ♪ I can't believe my eyes 615 00:31:13,975 --> 00:31:16,046 ♪ Watchin' you on sunset strip 616 00:31:16,046 --> 00:31:19,153 ♪ Wearin' all that glam rock makeup ♪ 617 00:31:19,153 --> 00:31:23,157 ♪ In drag and buckin' your hip 618 00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:43,073 ♪ Glam rock faggot 619 00:31:43,073 --> 00:31:45,558 ♪ All you are is a 620 00:31:45,558 --> 00:31:48,354 ♪ Glam rock faggot 621 00:31:48,354 --> 00:31:50,149 ♪ Chicks with dicks 622 00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:52,393 - We always tried to have music behind this stuff, 623 00:31:52,393 --> 00:31:54,913 so it wasn't just simply shocking 624 00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,431 for the sake of being shocking. 625 00:31:57,329 --> 00:32:00,021 [dramatic music] 626 00:32:11,895 --> 00:32:13,759 - [Narrator] The sex and violence in rock 627 00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,796 and roll lyrics and whether the records should be rated X. 628 00:32:24,701 --> 00:32:27,946 - [Narrator] Tipper Gore, wife of US Senator Albert Gore, 629 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:30,603 heads the campaign to label all records 630 00:32:30,603 --> 00:32:33,503 that deal with drugs, sex or violence. 631 00:32:33,503 --> 00:32:35,574 - As parents, we believe we have a right 632 00:32:35,574 --> 00:32:38,128 to some consumer guidance in our effort 633 00:32:38,128 --> 00:32:41,683 to protect our own children from material 634 00:32:41,683 --> 00:32:44,410 that we believe may be inappropriate for them. 635 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:48,725 - The PMRC I thought was just a way for Al Gore's wife 636 00:32:48,725 --> 00:32:52,211 and Al Gore to get more notoriety, 637 00:32:52,211 --> 00:32:54,248 kind of like that movie he made about the global warming. 638 00:32:54,248 --> 00:32:55,835 I'll make a movie about something 639 00:32:55,835 --> 00:32:57,389 that nobody can really do anything 640 00:32:57,389 --> 00:32:59,391 about and everybody will freak out 641 00:32:59,391 --> 00:33:01,634 and I'll win the Nobel Peace Prize 642 00:33:01,634 --> 00:33:03,705 and up my speaking price, and that'll show 'em 643 00:33:03,705 --> 00:33:05,776 for not letting me be president. 644 00:33:05,776 --> 00:33:07,986 Did he say the F word on that? 645 00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,712 Let's play that back over and over and over. 646 00:33:10,712 --> 00:33:13,301 Oh my goodness, he said that word 647 00:33:13,301 --> 00:33:15,372 that you can't say on TV like George Carlin 648 00:33:15,372 --> 00:33:17,892 used to talk about, the seven words you can't say on TV. 649 00:33:17,892 --> 00:33:20,757 - Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits. 650 00:33:20,757 --> 00:33:22,897 - That was true, nobody did it, you get fined. 651 00:33:22,897 --> 00:33:26,038 - The Mentors were known to be one 652 00:33:26,038 --> 00:33:28,454 of the most offensive at that time. 653 00:33:28,454 --> 00:33:32,631 They cited him in the congress as one of the most offensive 654 00:33:32,631 --> 00:33:37,636 and that's when they started labeling albums with a warning. 655 00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:40,742 Well, really all that did was, you know how kids are, 656 00:33:40,742 --> 00:33:42,537 it made 'em wanna buy it worse. 657 00:33:42,537 --> 00:33:45,713 And so Eldon's sales actually increased. 658 00:33:45,713 --> 00:33:47,473 - [Narrator] The notion of a label recommending 659 00:33:47,473 --> 00:33:49,958 parental guidance to be applied by individual 660 00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:51,960 record companies on albums containing 661 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,825 explicit lyrics is gaining industry acceptance. 662 00:33:54,825 --> 00:33:58,070 - We have asked them to please go one step further 663 00:33:58,070 --> 00:34:00,245 and make it a really adequate solution 664 00:34:00,245 --> 00:34:03,455 by creating an industry wide set of criteria 665 00:34:03,455 --> 00:34:05,422 that all the companies would subscribe to 666 00:34:05,422 --> 00:34:07,493 and then could individually apply. 667 00:34:07,493 --> 00:34:09,426 - They went through a whole bunch 668 00:34:09,426 --> 00:34:14,431 of bands that they wanted to have labeling on their records. 669 00:34:15,294 --> 00:34:16,882 So they would recite the lyrics, 670 00:34:16,882 --> 00:34:19,298 okay this band said this, this band said that, 671 00:34:19,298 --> 00:34:20,644 isn't that bad, isn't that bad? 672 00:34:20,644 --> 00:34:22,888 And then at the very end of this presentation, 673 00:34:22,888 --> 00:34:26,167 they said, and the worst one was The Mentors. 674 00:34:26,167 --> 00:34:28,480 And they read some of the Mentors lyrics. 675 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,344 - Let's move on to sexuality, a theme which has been 676 00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:32,794 part of rock music since the beginning. 677 00:34:32,794 --> 00:34:35,280 Today's rock artists are describing sexual activity 678 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,834 and practice in terms more graphic than ever before. 679 00:34:37,834 --> 00:34:40,388 - Here's the best part of the reverends testimony, 680 00:34:40,388 --> 00:34:42,459 this was the most sensational part 681 00:34:42,459 --> 00:34:44,737 of the hearing, as far as I was concerned. 682 00:34:44,737 --> 00:34:47,119 This is the part where the reverend 683 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:52,124 recites the lyrics to, "Golden Shower" by Mentor. 684 00:34:53,263 --> 00:34:54,471 [Reverend] "Listen, you little slut. 685 00:34:54,471 --> 00:34:56,370 "Do you as you are told, come with daddy 686 00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:59,097 "for me to pour the gold, golden showers, 687 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:01,306 "all through my excrement you shall roam. 688 00:35:01,306 --> 00:35:03,584 "Bend up and smell my anal vapor. 689 00:35:03,584 --> 00:35:05,689 "Your face is my toilet paper. 690 00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:09,486 "On your face I leave a shit tower, golden showers." 691 00:35:09,486 --> 00:35:10,936 [gavel thuds] 692 00:35:10,936 --> 00:35:12,662 Mr. Chairman, that concludes my remarks, thank you. 693 00:35:12,662 --> 00:35:14,284 [Chairman] All right, Mr. Ling, sorry, your time is expired. 694 00:35:14,284 --> 00:35:16,907 [people laugh] 695 00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:21,602 [gavel thuds] 696 00:35:21,602 --> 00:35:26,124 - And I believe fighting for our rights to not be censored 697 00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:31,129 was Dee Snider, Frank Zappa, and John Denver, 698 00:35:32,337 --> 00:35:33,855 of all people, can you believe that? 699 00:35:33,855 --> 00:35:35,305 - Good morning, Mr. Chairman. 700 00:35:35,305 --> 00:35:37,583 - [Narrator] This material is being aggressively 701 00:35:37,583 --> 00:35:39,620 marketed to younger and younger children. 702 00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:41,725 Preteens and young teens, and they're being exposed 703 00:35:41,725 --> 00:35:44,142 to what I would call, mature scenes. 704 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:46,661 Sadomasochism, thrill killing, 705 00:35:46,661 --> 00:35:50,217 songs glorifying incest, and songs glorifying rape. 706 00:35:50,217 --> 00:35:52,495 - We were a victim of it, in fact, 707 00:35:52,495 --> 00:35:54,462 The Raven logo with the flash is considered 708 00:35:54,462 --> 00:35:57,051 a mark of Satan to these idiots or whatever. 709 00:35:57,051 --> 00:35:58,915 They pick up whatever they want to. 710 00:35:58,915 --> 00:36:01,607 And of course, I saw the trial, the hearing, 711 00:36:01,607 --> 00:36:04,162 and then they were talking [laughs] 712 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,060 about the lyrics from You Axed for It! 713 00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:07,958 And that became the topic, I remember 714 00:36:07,958 --> 00:36:09,788 Frank Zappa saying something like, 715 00:36:09,788 --> 00:36:11,376 I don't know where you dug this band 716 00:36:11,376 --> 00:36:13,101 up but you had to dig deep. 717 00:36:13,101 --> 00:36:15,897 - Back then, nobody swore on TV. 718 00:36:15,897 --> 00:36:18,072 I don't think El Duce was at the congressional hearings 719 00:36:18,072 --> 00:36:21,351 but he was on quite a few television shows. 720 00:36:21,351 --> 00:36:22,559 [static crackles] 721 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,389 - And sometimes the groupies don't put out, 722 00:36:24,389 --> 00:36:27,150 so you gotta rape 'em and sodomize 'em. 723 00:36:28,531 --> 00:36:30,429 That's my man, Sickie Wifebeater on the guitar! 724 00:36:30,429 --> 00:36:33,191 Dr. Heathen Scum on the skins! 725 00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:36,987 And I'm GG Duce, king of the black underworld! 726 00:36:38,057 --> 00:36:40,370 We ripped that audience a new A-hole. 727 00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:42,614 Sorry guys, I gotta drive the soccer 728 00:36:42,614 --> 00:36:45,755 car pool in the morning, I gotta skeeduttle. 729 00:36:45,755 --> 00:36:47,722 - What's the matter, Duce, you didn't 730 00:36:47,722 --> 00:36:48,999 pull your prick out all night? 731 00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:50,553 - People didn't even get the lyrics 732 00:36:50,553 --> 00:36:53,211 to "Screw and Piss Doggy Style". 733 00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:54,177 [static crackles] 734 00:36:54,177 --> 00:36:57,180 [bomb rumbles] 735 00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:59,769 [upbeat music] 736 00:37:06,569 --> 00:37:10,055 - Do you realize, El Duce, that your band, 737 00:37:10,055 --> 00:37:11,332 The Mentors-- 738 00:37:11,332 --> 00:37:12,506 - [Audience Member] That's right. 739 00:37:12,506 --> 00:37:15,198 - You have been called the sleaze kings 740 00:37:15,198 --> 00:37:16,924 of rock, what do you think about that? 741 00:37:16,924 --> 00:37:18,236 [El Duce cheers and audience boos] 742 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,307 How do you describe your music? 743 00:37:20,307 --> 00:37:21,687 - Well, it's rape rock. 744 00:37:21,687 --> 00:37:22,930 - [Wally] Rape rock? 745 00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:25,795 - Well, because it's a man's rock. 746 00:37:25,795 --> 00:37:29,626 - But this idiot promotes rape, can you believe that? 747 00:37:29,626 --> 00:37:30,593 [audience boos] 748 00:37:30,593 --> 00:37:31,835 Question there from the audience 749 00:37:31,835 --> 00:37:33,561 to see what we have to ask this creature here. 750 00:37:33,561 --> 00:37:34,769 [audience chatters] 751 00:37:34,769 --> 00:37:36,081 - I want to know what are you trying 752 00:37:36,081 --> 00:37:37,807 to contribute to society? 753 00:37:37,807 --> 00:37:40,706 - Well, I'll tell ya, ya bunch of illiterate children. 754 00:37:41,535 --> 00:37:42,674 [audience grumbles] 755 00:37:42,674 --> 00:37:44,365 Children without a father. 756 00:37:44,365 --> 00:37:49,370 - El Duce has a kid somewhere around, I dunno, 757 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,545 Modesto or one of these places. 758 00:37:51,545 --> 00:37:54,202 He got this letter and it had a picture 759 00:37:54,202 --> 00:37:58,034 of this kid in it, and she said it was his 760 00:37:58,034 --> 00:38:00,174 and there ain't no reason to doubt it. 761 00:38:00,174 --> 00:38:02,763 El Duce, he used to panhandle and tell 762 00:38:02,763 --> 00:38:05,283 jokes for a living in between gigs. 763 00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:14,015 - All right, come on, let's do it, 764 00:38:14,015 --> 00:38:15,396 let's do it, who's got a quarter, 765 00:38:15,396 --> 00:38:16,777 gimme a quarter, come on you cheapskates. 766 00:38:16,777 --> 00:38:19,366 - All right, what's long, black and stinks? 767 00:38:19,366 --> 00:38:20,228 - [Man] I don't know. 768 00:38:20,228 --> 00:38:21,437 - The welfare line. 769 00:38:21,437 --> 00:38:23,301 - He had a place to stay in Riverside 770 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:26,511 but he'd rather sleep on the sidewalk in Hollywood. 771 00:38:26,511 --> 00:38:28,409 - Joke for a quarter. 772 00:38:28,409 --> 00:38:29,272 Joke for a quarter. 773 00:38:29,272 --> 00:38:30,100 Joke for a quarter. 774 00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,274 Joke for a quarter. 775 00:38:31,274 --> 00:38:32,689 [girls squeal] 776 00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:35,313 [girls chatter] 777 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,004 Never mind. 778 00:38:37,004 --> 00:38:40,904 - He had a way of not getting punched, 779 00:38:40,904 --> 00:38:42,665 but almost getting punched. 780 00:38:47,497 --> 00:38:48,740 [men laugh] 781 00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:51,156 - Everyone has got a lot of Mentor stories. 782 00:38:51,156 --> 00:38:53,469 - I'd been to Mentor shows before, 783 00:38:53,469 --> 00:38:54,677 but I had never really talked to him. 784 00:38:54,677 --> 00:38:56,334 He came backstage and ate all our pizza. 785 00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:57,611 We were all there and we heard him 786 00:38:57,611 --> 00:38:59,267 knocking on the door, we heard the guy like, 787 00:38:59,267 --> 00:39:02,443 "It's okay, just tell the boys El Duce's here." 788 00:39:02,443 --> 00:39:04,342 And we're like, oh yeah, we gotta let him in. 789 00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:05,757 We welcomed him with open arms. 790 00:39:05,757 --> 00:39:08,622 - One of our early shows in LA area, 791 00:39:08,622 --> 00:39:10,589 El Duce showed up to say, hello, 792 00:39:10,589 --> 00:39:11,832 because he's buddies with us, 793 00:39:11,832 --> 00:39:14,179 the bouncers were being real dicks that night, 794 00:39:14,179 --> 00:39:15,767 not letting anybody backstage, 795 00:39:15,767 --> 00:39:18,045 even our own guys, all night long. 796 00:39:18,045 --> 00:39:21,876 Somehow, in the confusion, El Duce, 797 00:39:21,876 --> 00:39:23,878 while they were kicking him out, 798 00:39:23,878 --> 00:39:26,778 makes it to the stage instead. 799 00:39:26,778 --> 00:39:29,228 And next thing you know, El Duce, 800 00:39:29,228 --> 00:39:32,439 we're getting ready to go on, El Duce somehow is onstage, 801 00:39:32,439 --> 00:39:34,717 and this street urchin girl is sucking 802 00:39:34,717 --> 00:39:37,582 him off in front of the whole crowd. 803 00:39:37,582 --> 00:39:39,204 This could have very easily been 804 00:39:39,204 --> 00:39:40,654 an all ages show or something. 805 00:39:40,654 --> 00:39:44,209 He also used to walk around with this 12 inch double 806 00:39:44,209 --> 00:39:48,247 dildo hanging out of his belt all the time. 807 00:39:48,247 --> 00:39:51,181 One time, he left it on our Gwar bus so I sort of saved 808 00:39:51,181 --> 00:39:53,701 it for him and gave it back to him next time I saw him. 809 00:39:53,701 --> 00:39:55,116 I definitely never touched it 810 00:39:55,116 --> 00:39:57,395 with more than two fingers, I'll tell you that. 811 00:39:57,395 --> 00:39:59,707 [audience cheers] 812 00:39:59,707 --> 00:40:02,779 - [Announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, The Mentors movie, 813 00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:10,373 starring ladies man, El Duce on drums. 814 00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:14,550 - In 1987, the band was offered a three 815 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:18,312 month US tour with Saint Vitus, so I couldn't do that, 816 00:40:18,312 --> 00:40:20,003 couldn't get that much time off work, 817 00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:21,419 and finally said, no, you guys go ahead 818 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,559 and do that without me, so they got this guy 819 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,423 Ed Danky, who was some friend 820 00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:27,045 of Duce's somehow or the other 821 00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:29,668 who went by the name of Papa Sneaky Sperm Shooter. 822 00:40:29,668 --> 00:40:32,050 - [El Duce] Papa Sneaky Sperm Shooter 823 00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:35,433 on bass, rockin' right at you there. 824 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:36,882 [audience shouts] 825 00:40:36,882 --> 00:40:40,058 - Ed was a big drinker, big druggie, heroin addict. 826 00:40:40,058 --> 00:40:42,888 El Duce is a major league alcoholic. 827 00:40:42,888 --> 00:40:44,787 In this mix, Sickie, who certainly would 828 00:40:44,787 --> 00:40:48,100 like to drink and do other fun stuff, 829 00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,517 was probably the straightest of the bunch. 830 00:40:50,517 --> 00:40:52,277 - [El Duce] Sickie Wifebeater on guitar. 831 00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:56,212 [guitar squeals] 832 00:40:58,835 --> 00:41:01,493 - In '87, when we went on the big long ass, 833 00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:03,426 motherfuckin', grueling tour with them, 834 00:41:03,426 --> 00:41:05,152 Ed was playing bass, yeah. 835 00:41:05,152 --> 00:41:06,705 - What happened was that Sickie 836 00:41:08,224 --> 00:41:11,779 had ventured off with some strippers 837 00:41:11,779 --> 00:41:12,608 and some cocaine. 838 00:41:12,608 --> 00:41:13,850 - Oh yeah! 839 00:41:13,850 --> 00:41:16,059 - So Danky moves up to guitar and they asked me 840 00:41:16,059 --> 00:41:17,682 if I would play bass. 841 00:41:17,682 --> 00:41:19,891 Man, I concealed my identity really good. 842 00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:24,654 Wore gloves, long sleeves, hood, changed my shoes. 843 00:41:24,654 --> 00:41:27,450 I didn't really want anyone to know who I was that night. 844 00:41:27,450 --> 00:41:30,315 The first time The Mentors had ever toured the US 845 00:41:30,315 --> 00:41:32,317 and they were getting a pretty big guarantee, 846 00:41:32,317 --> 00:41:33,629 I think they were making a thousand dollars a night. 847 00:41:33,629 --> 00:41:35,078 - Yeah, they were doing really good, yeah. 848 00:41:35,078 --> 00:41:37,495 - They were like, a complete mess, as soon as 849 00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:40,187 they'd get the money, they'd immediately fight over it 850 00:41:40,187 --> 00:41:42,707 between band members and pay their road crew nothin' 851 00:41:42,707 --> 00:41:45,399 and they had no concept of budgeting money 852 00:41:45,399 --> 00:41:48,333 for the next show, every night it was 853 00:41:48,333 --> 00:41:49,748 a free for all, it was pretty nutty, man. 854 00:41:49,748 --> 00:41:51,232 They had the Circle Jerk's old van 855 00:41:51,232 --> 00:41:52,751 completely covered with graffiti. 856 00:41:52,751 --> 00:41:55,927 I played bass two shows, and after those two shows, 857 00:41:55,927 --> 00:41:57,963 they paid me, I made more money 858 00:41:57,963 --> 00:42:00,725 than I did the whole Vitus tour. 859 00:42:00,725 --> 00:42:01,967 - Yeah, exactly [laughs]. 860 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:06,282 - Somewhere along the line, Ed met this chick 861 00:42:06,282 --> 00:42:09,388 who apparently was a bass player. 862 00:42:09,388 --> 00:42:10,838 [audience shouts] 863 00:42:10,838 --> 00:42:12,426 - This guy, you're gonna get your fuckin' ass kicked, 864 00:42:12,426 --> 00:42:14,739 because this is the fucking Mentors! 865 00:42:14,739 --> 00:42:17,500 [crowd cheers] 866 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:19,433 - [Audience Member] Show us your tits! 867 00:42:19,433 --> 00:42:22,678 - '88, '89, it was such a spur of the moment thing. 868 00:42:22,678 --> 00:42:24,714 We're going on tour, and you're our manager, 869 00:42:24,714 --> 00:42:27,234 and you're our new bass player and let's go! 870 00:42:27,234 --> 00:42:30,030 Here we go, Eric didn't want to go, 871 00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:31,997 he probably thought, this is gonna be a giant mess 872 00:42:31,997 --> 00:42:33,551 and it was. 873 00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:36,450 Ed took over on guitar and then they put me on bass. 874 00:42:37,796 --> 00:42:42,456 ["Young, Fresh, Tight, Sweet Stuff" by The Mentors] 875 00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:55,607 ♪ Young, fresh, tight, sweet stuff ♪ 876 00:42:55,607 --> 00:42:58,886 ♪ Young, fresh, tight, sweet stuff ♪ 877 00:42:58,886 --> 00:43:02,372 - Ed Danky, who had a practice space at Lennon Studios, 878 00:43:02,372 --> 00:43:04,892 he would try to teach me some of the songs before we left 879 00:43:04,892 --> 00:43:06,100 because we were leaving in a day. 880 00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:07,585 So I'm just hearing the music, 881 00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:10,104 I'm not hearing any of the lyrics. 882 00:43:10,104 --> 00:43:11,727 I never had heard them before that, 883 00:43:11,727 --> 00:43:13,349 at all, I knew nothing about them. 884 00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:14,799 And then when I found out that 885 00:43:14,799 --> 00:43:16,283 this is a rape rock band [laughs], 886 00:43:16,283 --> 00:43:19,942 and I'm like, oh, holy crap, I was kind of shocked 887 00:43:19,942 --> 00:43:21,978 but I was shocked in a good way. 888 00:43:21,978 --> 00:43:24,429 I felt safe because Horndogger was there, Ed was there. 889 00:43:24,429 --> 00:43:26,293 Horndogger was our roadie. 890 00:43:26,293 --> 00:43:29,503 - Duce named me Horndogger, because I'm a horny dog. 891 00:43:29,503 --> 00:43:31,298 [Lucinda] Horndogger's playing bass, 892 00:43:31,298 --> 00:43:33,645 Eldon kicks him off the stage, and then I come out. 893 00:43:33,645 --> 00:43:36,717 - Well I didn't really go tour that much 894 00:43:36,717 --> 00:43:39,824 and they needed a bassist and so stood in for him. 895 00:43:39,824 --> 00:43:41,998 - It's all part of the shtick. 896 00:43:41,998 --> 00:43:43,897 - [El Duce] You're too drunk, get out of here. 897 00:43:43,897 --> 00:43:45,312 You can't play the songs right, get out of here! 898 00:43:45,312 --> 00:43:46,209 - We're like, oh God, you don't have a hood, 899 00:43:46,209 --> 00:43:47,141 what are we gonna do? 900 00:43:47,141 --> 00:43:48,591 - T-shirts and safety pins. 901 00:43:48,591 --> 00:43:49,523 - [Man] [laughs] Yeah. 902 00:43:49,523 --> 00:43:50,835 - Grabbed a black t-shirt 903 00:43:50,835 --> 00:43:52,491 and tucked the safety pins in the back. 904 00:43:52,491 --> 00:43:54,079 - I want something hot from you. 905 00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:56,495 - [El Duce] Bet you that groupie with the hottest pair 906 00:43:56,495 --> 00:43:58,083 that sucked us off. 907 00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:03,123 She licked my ass and he was pounding her butt hole. 908 00:44:03,848 --> 00:44:04,780 - It's Scumbitch. 909 00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:07,092 [crowd cheers] 910 00:44:07,092 --> 00:44:11,303 - My Mentor name was Scumbitch, sounded raunchy. 911 00:44:11,303 --> 00:44:12,546 - [Audience Member] Take the shirt off, slut! 912 00:44:12,546 --> 00:44:15,860 - [El Duce] She's a slave to mankind! 913 00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:18,276 [rock music] 914 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:25,559 ♪ She was a little girl on the street ♪ 915 00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:29,183 ♪ Don't she look so sweet 916 00:44:29,183 --> 00:44:30,288 ♪ I could get ya 917 00:44:30,288 --> 00:44:33,187 ♪ In all of your holes 918 00:44:33,187 --> 00:44:36,674 - [Lucinda] It was just me and Ed and Eldon until New York 919 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:39,366 and then things kind of blew up, we met Zippy. 920 00:44:39,366 --> 00:44:42,093 - Duce met me at a party and dragged me on tour. 921 00:44:42,093 --> 00:44:44,785 I was all for it, because it was so over the edge. 922 00:44:44,785 --> 00:44:46,511 Just spur of the moment. 923 00:44:46,511 --> 00:44:47,788 - It kind of fell apart. 924 00:44:47,788 --> 00:44:49,065 - [Zippy] Obviously Sickie just didn't 925 00:44:49,065 --> 00:44:51,205 go on that tour 'cause it was such a mess. 926 00:44:51,205 --> 00:44:54,795 - It was just a mess as we got further out, 927 00:44:54,795 --> 00:44:56,728 it got worse and worse, he was pullin' 928 00:44:56,728 --> 00:45:00,145 the gettin' so wasted that he just wouldn't be there 929 00:45:00,145 --> 00:45:02,700 and we'd have to go find him, the show'd be, okay, 930 00:45:03,908 --> 00:45:05,426 we were supposed to start an hour ago 931 00:45:05,426 --> 00:45:09,707 and he's not here, we just all were done at that point. 932 00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:11,605 Me and Ed were like, we're out of here, see ya, 933 00:45:11,605 --> 00:45:14,297 we got on a bus and came back to Portland. 934 00:45:15,713 --> 00:45:17,956 Ed, he had a bad drug problem and he died of an overdose. 935 00:45:20,131 --> 00:45:24,169 Eldon was a real sweetheart and also a real nightmare. 936 00:45:24,169 --> 00:45:26,585 I really don't know if a lot people 937 00:45:26,585 --> 00:45:29,071 think he is really what he would portray himself to be. 938 00:45:29,071 --> 00:45:31,004 To me he was like a grandpa [laughs]. 939 00:45:32,246 --> 00:45:33,903 He was always really protective 940 00:45:33,903 --> 00:45:35,836 of me on the road, which was cool, 941 00:45:35,836 --> 00:45:38,943 then vise versa, too, he'd get real drunk 942 00:45:38,943 --> 00:45:40,876 and not be able to take care of himself, 943 00:45:40,876 --> 00:45:44,431 which was kind of sad and I would make sure that he was okay 944 00:45:44,431 --> 00:45:47,848 and drag him on back, we all did that. 945 00:45:47,848 --> 00:45:49,367 - I really liked him, I really did. 946 00:45:49,367 --> 00:45:52,508 For all the bullshit and the fun and the drinkin', 947 00:45:52,508 --> 00:45:55,062 and how sad it was that he was such 948 00:45:55,062 --> 00:45:58,825 a fuckin' horrible alcoholic at such a young age. 949 00:45:58,825 --> 00:46:01,448 [somber music] 950 00:46:06,004 --> 00:46:09,387 - He's El Duce, a very heavy alcoholic. 951 00:46:09,387 --> 00:46:11,665 - He's already had about 10 40 O's. 952 00:46:11,665 --> 00:46:14,185 - No, I need some more saucy, I got some stashed. 953 00:46:14,185 --> 00:46:16,946 - [Sickie] He's got a secret liquor stash. 954 00:46:16,946 --> 00:46:19,086 - When El went to rehab and I picked him up, 955 00:46:19,086 --> 00:46:24,091 and on the way back, we went right to a 7-Eleven 956 00:46:26,197 --> 00:46:28,406 and got a case of beer and drank it. 957 00:46:30,788 --> 00:46:32,479 And the last couple of times I had seen him, 958 00:46:32,479 --> 00:46:37,484 he was pretty fucked up, he was just, every time I saw him, 959 00:46:38,692 --> 00:46:43,007 he was so drunk that he couldn't play the drums. 960 00:46:43,007 --> 00:46:45,147 - The last tour they did with the Duce, 961 00:46:45,147 --> 00:46:47,632 apparently Duce was really fucked up. 962 00:46:47,632 --> 00:46:50,738 He was falling off the throne a little bit too many times. 963 00:46:50,738 --> 00:46:52,810 Plus somebody scored him a half pound 964 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:56,814 of some really good killer, fuckin' thunder fuck bud, 965 00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:58,781 that he wasn't gonna let go of. 966 00:46:58,781 --> 00:47:01,439 Broy says, you gotta take that fuckin' shit out of here. 967 00:47:01,439 --> 00:47:03,613 He runs the ship pretty tight. 968 00:47:03,613 --> 00:47:06,202 He's the one that tells you what to do. 969 00:47:06,202 --> 00:47:07,825 - What the fuck is your, dammit! 970 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,275 I've had it with your bullshit! 971 00:47:10,275 --> 00:47:11,104 [El Duce groans] 972 00:47:11,104 --> 00:47:12,277 - Don't fuck with me! 973 00:47:12,277 --> 00:47:13,209 - You fuckin' asshole [laughs]. 974 00:47:13,209 --> 00:47:14,486 - You fuck with my program. 975 00:47:14,486 --> 00:47:16,385 I've had it with you and your 40 o' bullshit. 976 00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:19,215 - Broy called me up and he said, 977 00:47:19,215 --> 00:47:23,012 "Hey, Duce, he's is getting too Duce'd." 978 00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:25,118 [laughs] I knew what that meant. 979 00:47:25,118 --> 00:47:27,016 "We'll give you a quarter of everything, 980 00:47:27,016 --> 00:47:29,950 "just you be the drummer." I said, yesh, 981 00:47:29,950 --> 00:47:33,851 and I was with 'em for 18 years, somethin' like that. 982 00:47:34,886 --> 00:47:37,302 [rock music] 983 00:47:42,652 --> 00:47:45,069 I was already Moose before I joined the band, 984 00:47:45,069 --> 00:47:47,795 but not Moosedick and they all said, 985 00:47:47,795 --> 00:47:49,659 well, since you're one the of the guys, 986 00:47:49,659 --> 00:47:52,248 you're gonna have to come up with a name. 987 00:47:52,248 --> 00:47:54,768 I don't know if it's bigger than whatever 988 00:47:54,768 --> 00:47:56,459 I do have to feed it breakfast 989 00:47:56,459 --> 00:47:58,013 in the morning though [laughs]. 990 00:48:00,049 --> 00:48:02,465 [rock music] 991 00:48:24,315 --> 00:48:26,075 I didn't know how the fans were gonna take it. 992 00:48:26,075 --> 00:48:29,596 Oh, Duce not on drum, I mean, come on? 993 00:48:29,596 --> 00:48:31,080 You always have some group of haters out there, 994 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,773 and he loved it, Duce had no problem getting off the drums. 995 00:48:34,773 --> 00:48:36,741 He was just like, oh, hallelujah. 996 00:48:36,741 --> 00:48:40,469 He had a problem falling into my drums, which I didn't like. 997 00:48:40,469 --> 00:48:42,436 It happened every other night. 998 00:48:43,437 --> 00:48:45,543 I knew he was touching my drums, 999 00:48:45,543 --> 00:48:46,889 you could feel the cymbals on his back, 1000 00:48:46,889 --> 00:48:48,753 so he knows where he's at. 1001 00:48:48,753 --> 00:48:51,514 It's like, hey, don't go running into my drums. 1002 00:48:52,791 --> 00:48:54,793 It's all part of the show, bullshit it is. 1003 00:48:54,793 --> 00:48:57,796 And I'd get him in that kidney jab with the sticks [grunt], 1004 00:48:57,796 --> 00:48:59,660 he'd knock that shit off right away. 1005 00:49:00,627 --> 00:49:03,388 [El Duce growls] 1006 00:49:09,463 --> 00:49:11,949 When he went out front and he didn't have to play the drums, 1007 00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:14,468 he thought, oh this is gonna be great, 1008 00:49:14,468 --> 00:49:17,161 I'm not gonna have to have any responsibilities, 1009 00:49:17,161 --> 00:49:19,163 like I can just drink and drug and do whatever I want 1010 00:49:19,163 --> 00:49:20,888 and it's just gonna be hunky dory. 1011 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,615 It did push his alcoholism to a 1012 00:49:23,615 --> 00:49:26,101 higher degree, that's for sure. 1013 00:49:26,101 --> 00:49:29,345 - [Crowd] El Duce, El Duce, El Duce! 1014 00:49:29,345 --> 00:49:31,278 - If it wasn't for the alcoholism, 1015 00:49:31,278 --> 00:49:32,970 I don't think I would have been in the band today. 1016 00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:35,731 During that time, it was so extreme. 1017 00:49:35,731 --> 00:49:38,182 It was just like everything and anything goes. 1018 00:49:38,182 --> 00:49:40,667 There's no rules on anything, that was the 1019 00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:43,704 whole Hollywood thing, at least in the music business. 1020 00:49:43,704 --> 00:49:46,431 There was definitely a lot of drugs involved with it. 1021 00:49:47,605 --> 00:49:49,676 I'm glad I survived it, you know [laughs]? 1022 00:49:49,676 --> 00:49:51,333 A lot of people I know are dead. 1023 00:49:52,748 --> 00:49:56,959 A lot of people, it took their life. 1024 00:49:56,959 --> 00:49:59,513 [somber music] 1025 00:50:01,895 --> 00:50:04,208 [dog barks] 1026 00:50:05,657 --> 00:50:08,833 - I got introduced to Nick and he asked me 1027 00:50:08,833 --> 00:50:11,249 to show where I could find El, and I said, 1028 00:50:11,249 --> 00:50:13,113 well I can take you where El is. 1029 00:50:13,113 --> 00:50:14,183 There he is, El Duce. 1030 00:50:15,046 --> 00:50:16,116 - Argh! 1031 00:50:16,116 --> 00:50:17,635 Where's the booze? 1032 00:50:17,635 --> 00:50:19,361 - [Interviewer] You did some deal with Courtney, right? 1033 00:50:19,361 --> 00:50:23,296 - Yeah, she offered me 50 grand to whack Kurt Cobain. 1034 00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:25,677 - Yeah, I was tellin' you this-- 1035 00:50:25,677 --> 00:50:27,093 - And I heard everything, she pulled up in a limo 1036 00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:31,718 and offered El the money, so 50 G's is 50 G's. 1037 00:50:35,066 --> 00:50:37,448 - Hey, $50 grand does a lot of talkin'. 1038 00:50:37,448 --> 00:50:39,243 - Some people say that El Duce was 1039 00:50:39,243 --> 00:50:44,248 asked by Courtney Love to murder Kurt Cobain. 1040 00:50:45,628 --> 00:50:47,044 He did take a lie detector test and passed. 1041 00:50:49,253 --> 00:50:51,703 - It's Courtney Love's dad on the phone. 1042 00:50:51,703 --> 00:50:55,328 Kurt's brother used to be our guitar player's girlfriend. 1043 00:50:55,328 --> 00:50:58,400 That's how I met Courtney in the first place. 1044 00:50:59,953 --> 00:51:01,679 [somber music] 1045 00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:04,302 - El Duce died from getting hit by a train. 1046 00:51:04,302 --> 00:51:06,960 His death happened on April 19th. 1047 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,413 Some people said he was killed, along with Kurt Cobain. 1048 00:51:11,413 --> 00:51:14,105 I was the one that dropped him off when he got killed. 1049 00:51:16,694 --> 00:51:19,628 - He had gone off the day before 1050 00:51:19,628 --> 00:51:23,494 with a friend of ours, who lived in California, 1051 00:51:23,494 --> 00:51:26,117 the legendary Allen Wrench. 1052 00:51:26,117 --> 00:51:27,187 - You guys know who I am already. 1053 00:51:30,777 --> 00:51:33,090 There are a few things that were kind 1054 00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:37,473 of a problem that happened a week or so before Duce died, 1055 00:51:37,473 --> 00:51:41,063 and then I got a call from, I don't want to name their name, 1056 00:51:41,063 --> 00:51:43,859 but I get a call, Duce had just 1057 00:51:43,859 --> 00:51:45,964 done this documentary, this Kurt Cobain documentary, 1058 00:51:45,964 --> 00:51:48,588 [somber music] 1059 00:51:48,588 --> 00:51:52,212 He's specifically naming you in this documentary. 1060 00:51:52,212 --> 00:51:54,283 I'm like, oh, cool, well you must be talking 1061 00:51:54,283 --> 00:51:55,836 about music or something like that. 1062 00:51:55,836 --> 00:51:57,769 Like no, no, he's naming you for some other things. 1063 00:51:57,769 --> 00:52:02,291 - But I know who whacked him, I told Allen, 1064 00:52:02,291 --> 00:52:06,192 I mean, my friend [laughs], I'll let the FBI catch him. 1065 00:52:10,955 --> 00:52:15,960 But [laughs], that's just the way it's done, end of story. 1066 00:52:19,343 --> 00:52:20,930 - I'm like, that's not gonna fly. 1067 00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:22,449 That's not gonna fuckin' fly. 1068 00:52:22,449 --> 00:52:24,037 And it's just me and him in there, 1069 00:52:24,037 --> 00:52:26,695 I'm like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? 1070 00:52:26,695 --> 00:52:30,216 Why are you naming me, why would you name me in this shit? 1071 00:52:30,216 --> 00:52:33,702 And he's like, oh you know, tries to be funny 1072 00:52:33,702 --> 00:52:36,118 and play it off and doesn't want to give an answer. 1073 00:52:36,118 --> 00:52:38,431 It's like we're both drinking and all that shit. 1074 00:52:38,431 --> 00:52:41,158 - Buy me a beer, I might do some more talkin' [laughs]. 1075 00:52:43,677 --> 00:52:45,369 - It came time for me to leave, 1076 00:52:45,369 --> 00:52:48,441 and he needed something from the store. 1077 00:52:49,821 --> 00:52:51,823 I'm like, well, I'm in a hurry, I'm gonna drop you off, 1078 00:52:51,823 --> 00:52:55,310 I don't really have time to wait for you, 1079 00:52:55,310 --> 00:52:57,864 so I'm gonna drop you off and I'm gonna take off [sigh]. 1080 00:52:59,935 --> 00:53:03,180 And that was the last I saw of him. 1081 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:05,734 [somber music] 1082 00:53:13,397 --> 00:53:14,605 Why would I feel guilty? 1083 00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:25,409 Rumors such as what? 1084 00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:37,248 Okay, here's what's up, we agreed there's not 1085 00:53:37,248 --> 00:53:38,732 gonna be any fuckin' Cobain shit in this. 1086 00:53:39,664 --> 00:53:42,219 [somber music] 1087 00:53:55,439 --> 00:53:57,855 - We had played a gig at Al's Bar. 1088 00:53:57,855 --> 00:54:02,204 El was totally straight when he arrived 1089 00:54:02,204 --> 00:54:05,103 and then by the time, an hour or so later, 1090 00:54:05,103 --> 00:54:07,658 we were supposed to go on, he was totally shitfaced 1091 00:54:08,866 --> 00:54:12,663 and fell, it morphed into him making fun 1092 00:54:14,285 --> 00:54:17,771 of my ex-girlfriend, so then I was telling him to shut up 1093 00:54:17,771 --> 00:54:19,877 and it just kind of ended on a sour note. 1094 00:54:20,981 --> 00:54:25,262 So it's been a major weird feeling 1095 00:54:28,092 --> 00:54:32,683 for me just to have everything end like that. 1096 00:54:32,683 --> 00:54:34,167 - When I woke up Sunday morning, 1097 00:54:34,167 --> 00:54:35,617 and was just fiddling around out in the studio, 1098 00:54:35,617 --> 00:54:38,275 and some of the Karaoke King tapes that we recorded, 1099 00:54:39,414 --> 00:54:42,486 and I see this car pull up on the outside 1100 00:54:42,486 --> 00:54:46,800 of my property, a kind of official looking car, 1101 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,562 and this lady comes out and starts walking up. 1102 00:54:49,562 --> 00:54:51,288 And I say, hey can I help you? 1103 00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:53,220 And then she shows me this badge. 1104 00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:55,326 She says, "Do you know Eldon Hoke?" 1105 00:54:55,326 --> 00:54:56,948 "Yeah, I know him," 1106 00:54:56,948 --> 00:54:59,019 and she goes, "Does he live here?" 1107 00:54:59,019 --> 00:55:01,643 I presumed it was a cop looking for him, 1108 00:55:01,643 --> 00:55:03,369 I thought they were gonna come in 1109 00:55:03,369 --> 00:55:04,956 and search the house looking for him, 1110 00:55:04,956 --> 00:55:06,786 which I didn't want at all, and so I said, 1111 00:55:06,786 --> 00:55:08,926 well no, he doesn't really live here. 1112 00:55:10,307 --> 00:55:12,723 She goes, "Do you know how to get 1113 00:55:12,723 --> 00:55:14,103 "in touch with his family?" 1114 00:55:14,103 --> 00:55:15,622 So I started, oh something's going on here. 1115 00:55:15,622 --> 00:55:19,005 And then she tells me he's just been hit by a train. 1116 00:55:19,005 --> 00:55:21,594 [somber music] 1117 00:55:23,009 --> 00:55:27,841 And that kind of really, I wasn't expecting to hear that, 1118 00:55:27,841 --> 00:55:31,258 especially on Sunday morning, and it kind of flipped me out. 1119 00:55:31,258 --> 00:55:33,330 So she goes, "Well, how do we get in touch with his family?" 1120 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,055 And I had all their numbers, so I went 1121 00:55:35,055 --> 00:55:36,885 in the house to get it but I was just 1122 00:55:36,885 --> 00:55:41,441 so flipped out by it, I couldn't even really think. 1123 00:55:41,441 --> 00:55:43,961 So I went out and told them, listen, 1124 00:55:43,961 --> 00:55:46,515 I have to get myself together here, I can't, 1125 00:55:46,515 --> 00:55:48,828 I'm gonna have to call you back with a number, 1126 00:55:50,036 --> 00:55:52,383 which I did, but then I called his sister 1127 00:55:52,383 --> 00:55:56,353 and about an hour later after I got my composure together, 1128 00:55:57,492 --> 00:55:58,251 I called his sister and let her know. 1129 00:56:00,287 --> 00:56:03,049 - I didn't want to know any of the details. 1130 00:56:03,049 --> 00:56:05,534 It was very difficult, as you can imagine. 1131 00:56:05,534 --> 00:56:08,882 - Broy call me up, I think it was the next day 1132 00:56:08,882 --> 00:56:13,370 or the day after, said he had some bad news, 1133 00:56:14,716 --> 00:56:17,960 that El got hit by a train, it was just, yeah, 1134 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,965 I was totally in shock, still haven't processed it. 1135 00:56:24,691 --> 00:56:27,280 [somber music] 1136 00:56:36,807 --> 00:56:39,119 [somber music] 1137 00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:42,053 - He enjoyed life so much, he was able to do 1138 00:56:42,053 --> 00:56:43,986 what he wanted to do, that's most important, 1139 00:56:43,986 --> 00:56:47,265 that people can do what they want to do 1140 00:56:47,265 --> 00:56:51,408 and they're more successful if they can live their dreams 1141 00:56:51,408 --> 00:56:53,202 and he was able to live his dream. 1142 00:56:55,066 --> 00:56:57,517 I asked him, aren't you afraid up there on the stage? 1143 00:56:57,517 --> 00:57:00,002 and he says, "Oh no, it was fun, nothin' to it." 1144 00:57:00,002 --> 00:57:02,488 He just made up stories and entertained 1145 00:57:02,488 --> 00:57:05,145 the audience, ab-lib like that. 1146 00:57:05,145 --> 00:57:07,424 I miss all that entertainment. 1147 00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:10,012 [somber music] 1148 00:57:18,538 --> 00:57:21,161 - Well, as far as the Courtney Love thing, 1149 00:57:21,161 --> 00:57:26,097 you can never trust a woman so anything's possible 1150 00:57:26,097 --> 00:57:27,651 as far as that goes, who knows? 1151 00:57:28,859 --> 00:57:30,895 Could be Jackie O. had Kennedy killed 1152 00:57:33,795 --> 00:57:35,555 or was fuckin' the person that did. 1153 00:57:38,765 --> 00:57:40,767 - I think Courtney's gotten a bad rap, 1154 00:57:40,767 --> 00:57:43,287 I don't think she's some crazy mastermind, 1155 00:57:43,287 --> 00:57:45,427 trying to destroy things, I think the reality 1156 00:57:45,427 --> 00:57:47,671 is even scarier than that [laughs]. 1157 00:57:47,671 --> 00:57:49,466 You know, stripper chick with some dope, 1158 00:57:49,466 --> 00:57:51,882 how she can bring down an empire. 1159 00:57:54,505 --> 00:57:55,437 - You never know, stranger things have happened. 1160 00:57:59,579 --> 00:58:03,618 - I remember we had a show to do in LA a week later. 1161 00:58:03,618 --> 00:58:06,103 - We went down there and did it. 1162 00:58:06,103 --> 00:58:11,108 And then I don't know if we've ever really talked about it. 1163 00:58:14,421 --> 00:58:16,596 I don't know if we ever talk about anything. 1164 00:58:19,668 --> 00:58:23,465 We just kept on playing, up times, down times. 1165 00:58:27,573 --> 00:58:32,060 - Bad, bad, that was, I think, the worst decision 1166 00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:33,510 I'd ever made in The Mentors, 1167 00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:35,097 is playing the week after he died 1168 00:58:35,097 --> 00:58:38,825 because nobody knew it yet, and so we're at this club, 1169 00:58:38,825 --> 00:58:40,378 and people are going, where's the Duce, 1170 00:58:40,378 --> 00:58:42,346 'cause it was often that he'd come late, 1171 00:58:42,346 --> 00:58:45,798 we'd do two songs and he comes pouring himself on stage. 1172 00:58:45,798 --> 00:58:48,076 But two or three times, you get people, 1173 00:58:48,076 --> 00:58:50,803 where's the Duce And Sickie would just, 1174 00:58:50,803 --> 00:58:53,530 he's fuckin', he got hit by a train, 1175 00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:54,979 he ain't comin' down tonight. 1176 00:58:54,979 --> 00:58:57,464 And I could see what was happening, I was going, uh-oh. 1177 00:58:57,464 --> 00:59:00,053 Oh man, all of a sudden you start hearin' people 1178 00:59:00,053 --> 00:59:03,609 start crying in the crowd, then you get the opportunist, 1179 00:59:03,609 --> 00:59:05,680 the guys that are right on the money. 1180 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,957 They come up already up on stage going, 1181 00:59:06,957 --> 00:59:08,821 hey man, do you need a lead singer [laughs]? 1182 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:10,892 Yeah, right off the bat, just like, 1183 00:59:10,892 --> 00:59:12,100 fuck off, get out of here. 1184 00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,033 - I kind of wanted to keep going, 1185 00:59:14,033 --> 00:59:16,242 but the other two guys in the band at the time, 1186 00:59:16,242 --> 00:59:17,726 the other drummer we had, we called him Moosedick, 1187 00:59:17,726 --> 00:59:21,109 and Sickie, they both, it took the wind out of their sails 1188 00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:22,973 and they weren't really so interested. 1189 00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:25,562 There was still a big fan demand for it, 1190 00:59:25,562 --> 00:59:28,426 but we just, we didn't really have anything better to do. 1191 00:59:28,426 --> 00:59:31,291 - Dr. Heathen Scum, he's the brains of the outfit. 1192 00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:34,743 Suit and tie guy by day and a rape rocker by night. 1193 00:59:34,743 --> 00:59:38,229 He says what goes and what does not go in the band. 1194 00:59:38,229 --> 00:59:40,059 You don't go against him, Sickie would torture chicks 1195 00:59:40,059 --> 00:59:43,476 and Sickie J would fuck chicks and [laughs]. 1196 00:59:43,476 --> 00:59:45,202 - My buddy handed me this CD, never heard 1197 00:59:45,202 --> 00:59:48,067 of The Mentors before, and I remember hearing 1198 00:59:48,067 --> 00:59:49,965 "Sleep Bandits", and "Sandwich of Love", 1199 00:59:49,965 --> 00:59:51,898 and I'm like, man, these songs are really fucked up 1200 00:59:51,898 --> 00:59:54,418 [laughs], I couldn't wait to play it. 1201 00:59:54,418 --> 00:59:56,834 I naturally just went home and learned all those songs 1202 00:59:56,834 --> 01:00:00,251 and a week later, we were playing a gig 1203 01:00:00,251 --> 01:00:02,184 as the Northwest Breeders, and we get this call 1204 01:00:02,184 --> 01:00:05,118 from this guy named Gumby, he says, 1205 01:00:05,118 --> 01:00:08,950 "I know Sickie Wifebeater, Sickie is here with me right now. 1206 01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:13,402 "We see you have a Northwest Breeders show coming up. 1207 01:00:13,402 --> 01:00:16,026 "We want to know what this is all about." 1208 01:00:16,026 --> 01:00:19,719 They come to the gig and Sickie had just gotten a DUI, 1209 01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:23,689 and I had just gotten a DUI, we hit it off instantly. 1210 01:00:23,689 --> 01:00:26,692 We were talking about our bust, it just morphed from there. 1211 01:00:26,692 --> 01:00:29,142 [rock music] 1212 01:00:31,351 --> 01:00:33,422 We had a lot of good times partying-- 1213 01:00:33,422 --> 01:00:34,665 - Oh, yeah. 1214 01:00:34,665 --> 01:00:36,805 - And then sometimes the party kept going 1215 01:00:36,805 --> 01:00:39,601 and going and going and going and going. 1216 01:00:39,601 --> 01:00:41,223 Every night we hung out we partied. 1217 01:00:41,223 --> 01:00:42,777 - How many ladies can agree 1218 01:00:42,777 --> 01:00:44,606 that size matters [speaks gibberish]? 1219 01:00:45,538 --> 01:00:46,815 - There was no off limits. 1220 01:00:46,815 --> 01:00:47,989 Duce? 1221 01:00:47,989 --> 01:00:48,783 - Yesh? 1222 01:00:49,956 --> 01:00:52,303 - It was just a total debaucherous zone. 1223 01:00:52,303 --> 01:00:54,064 - Homosexuality is good as long as 1224 01:00:54,064 --> 01:00:56,342 it's two hot chicks making out. 1225 01:00:56,342 --> 01:00:57,170 [audience cheers] 1226 01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:59,172 [Jeff laughs] 1227 01:00:59,172 --> 01:01:01,450 - Glad to be here, if anybody has any drugs, 1228 01:01:01,450 --> 01:01:05,075 if you could give them to us, we'd appreciate that a lot. 1229 01:01:05,075 --> 01:01:05,903 - Class A coke, please. 1230 01:01:05,903 --> 01:01:07,042 - [Jeff] Yes. 1231 01:01:07,042 --> 01:01:08,319 [audience laughs] 1232 01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:11,012 ♪ I've got a great big fucking prick ♪ 1233 01:01:11,012 --> 01:01:15,464 ♪ Suck that ass bitch and suck my dick ♪ 1234 01:01:15,464 --> 01:01:20,090 - [Jeff] In 2001, it was myself, Heathen Scum, Moosedick 1235 01:01:20,090 --> 01:01:22,230 and Sickie, and we brought this 1236 01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:24,991 guy named El Rapo into the picture. 1237 01:01:25,958 --> 01:01:27,407 - Introduce Ducey Jr. 1238 01:01:27,407 --> 01:01:30,479 - Yeah you know you bitches just wait and see. 1239 01:01:30,479 --> 01:01:32,930 - We brought along El Rapo for the ride for a couple 1240 01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:34,311 of years, we recorded a record with him, 1241 01:01:34,311 --> 01:01:35,899 Over the Top. 1242 01:01:35,899 --> 01:01:38,349 [rock music] 1243 01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:47,876 And he was just too far gone. 1244 01:01:47,876 --> 01:01:51,708 He ended up missing a flight we had booked for him. 1245 01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:54,641 So enough is enough, you miss your flight. 1246 01:01:54,641 --> 01:01:58,853 So when Mark was first introduced to the band, 1247 01:01:58,853 --> 01:02:00,924 I was taking a back seat in Mentors, 1248 01:02:00,924 --> 01:02:02,546 he was taking a front seat in Mentors 1249 01:02:02,546 --> 01:02:04,030 and so the revolving door kind 1250 01:02:04,030 --> 01:02:06,826 of kicked me in the ass on the way out, but-- 1251 01:02:06,826 --> 01:02:08,034 - I have no problem with Heathen Scum singing, 1252 01:02:08,034 --> 01:02:11,797 but the classic Mentors is drummer singing, 1253 01:02:11,797 --> 01:02:14,213 two guys rockin' up front, and I started 1254 01:02:14,213 --> 01:02:17,561 a Mentors knock off band called, The Mantors. 1255 01:02:17,561 --> 01:02:19,977 I go, I'm gonna start my own Mentors band 1256 01:02:19,977 --> 01:02:22,428 called the Mantors, just so the fact 1257 01:02:22,428 --> 01:02:24,016 that I can make a big enough bang 1258 01:02:24,016 --> 01:02:26,363 so I can be the singer/drummer for The Mentors 1259 01:02:27,674 --> 01:02:28,814 and that's the sole reason I did it. 1260 01:02:28,814 --> 01:02:30,988 - Mark had the pleasure of driving 1261 01:02:30,988 --> 01:02:33,197 my old lady to the methadone clinic, 1262 01:02:33,197 --> 01:02:34,958 I think old Mad Dog was trying 1263 01:02:34,958 --> 01:02:36,649 to slip her a roofie or something 1264 01:02:36,649 --> 01:02:39,790 and she caught wind of that and jumped out of the car, 1265 01:02:39,790 --> 01:02:41,930 with the car running and going 40 miles an hour, 1266 01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:44,519 she hit the concrete rolling, that was the first 1267 01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:49,075 sign that Mark Duce was turning into a scandalous scumbag. 1268 01:02:51,388 --> 01:02:53,355 - Mad Dog, he just kind of weaseled 1269 01:02:53,355 --> 01:02:54,667 his way in there [laughs]. 1270 01:02:55,806 --> 01:02:57,774 - I just stepped right in. 1271 01:02:57,774 --> 01:03:00,259 - I wasn't planning on quitting the band. 1272 01:03:00,259 --> 01:03:01,916 I didn't want to quit the band, it was my favorite band. 1273 01:03:01,916 --> 01:03:04,470 I'd be in there today, Sickie J calls me up, 1274 01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:06,679 he says, "Hey, have you heard 1275 01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,750 "the new album we're not on?" 1276 01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:10,303 And I'm going, what? 1277 01:03:11,166 --> 01:03:13,582 [rock music] 1278 01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:34,983 ♪ Here's a story 1279 01:03:34,983 --> 01:03:37,606 ♪ About the finer things in life ♪ 1280 01:03:37,606 --> 01:03:39,539 ♪ Jacking at the strip club 1281 01:03:39,539 --> 01:03:43,267 ♪ We don't have to think twice 1282 01:03:43,267 --> 01:03:45,097 ♪ Strip pole yeah 1283 01:03:45,097 --> 01:03:47,927 ♪ Raise your glass bitch 1284 01:03:47,927 --> 01:03:50,240 ♪ Take a drink alright 1285 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,277 ♪ Now bring out that ass 1286 01:03:53,277 --> 01:03:54,727 ♪ Big fake titties 1287 01:03:54,727 --> 01:03:57,972 ♪ Everyday 1288 01:03:57,972 --> 01:03:59,145 ♪ Silicone sluts 1289 01:03:59,145 --> 01:04:02,183 ♪ Take my money away 1290 01:04:02,183 --> 01:04:04,150 ♪ When Nasty Nikki 1291 01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:07,119 ♪ Came struttin' on the stage 1292 01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,086 ♪ With a wink in her eye 1293 01:04:09,086 --> 01:04:13,884 ♪ And I knew I was gettin' laid ♪ 1294 01:04:13,884 --> 01:04:16,853 - [Man] This is your captain, raise your seats 1295 01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:20,028 to the upright position, get your machine gun and lets go. 1296 01:04:20,028 --> 01:04:24,377 Whore airlines, baby, woohoo, ride 'em silver, yeah. 1297 01:04:30,901 --> 01:04:31,937 ♪ Let's go 1298 01:04:31,937 --> 01:04:33,317 ♪ Hey hey hey hey 1299 01:04:33,317 --> 01:04:35,181 ♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪ 1300 01:04:35,181 --> 01:04:38,426 ♪ Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey ♪ 1301 01:04:38,426 --> 01:04:40,566 ♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪ 1302 01:04:40,566 --> 01:04:41,774 ♪ Stand up and salute 1303 01:04:41,774 --> 01:04:43,741 ♪ It's the American way 1304 01:04:43,741 --> 01:04:45,019 ♪ Listen you, fags 1305 01:04:45,019 --> 01:04:46,503 ♪ To what I say 1306 01:04:46,503 --> 01:04:47,469 ♪ I keep and bear arms 1307 01:04:47,469 --> 01:04:49,092 ♪ To shoot and kill gays 1308 01:04:49,092 --> 01:04:50,507 ♪ I'm card carrying member 1309 01:04:50,507 --> 01:04:51,784 ♪ Of the NRA 1310 01:04:51,784 --> 01:04:52,889 ♪ It's a faggot hunt 1311 01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:54,511 ♪ It's time to raise some hell 1312 01:04:54,511 --> 01:04:55,857 ♪ Make peace with your God 1313 01:04:55,857 --> 01:04:57,169 ♪ 'Cause it's time to say farewell ♪ 1314 01:04:57,169 --> 01:04:59,102 ♪ Now it's time to do what is right ♪ 1315 01:04:59,102 --> 01:05:00,862 ♪ We're goin' out on the town 1316 01:05:00,862 --> 01:05:02,277 ♪ Killing faggots tonight 1317 01:05:02,277 --> 01:05:05,522 ♪ Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey ♪ 1318 01:05:05,522 --> 01:05:08,421 ♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪ 1319 01:05:08,421 --> 01:05:10,941 ♪ Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey ♪ 1320 01:05:10,941 --> 01:05:14,082 ♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪ 1321 01:05:14,082 --> 01:05:16,913 [audience cheers] 1322 01:05:19,846 --> 01:05:22,021 - It was everything I love all in one band. 1323 01:05:22,021 --> 01:05:24,713 Plus with a look like KISS with the hoods. 1324 01:05:24,713 --> 01:05:26,853 - [GPS] Turn right on Roosevelt Boulevard. 1325 01:05:27,958 --> 01:05:29,718 - [Sickie] Yeah, go to the right. 1326 01:05:29,718 --> 01:05:32,238 - I don't know what the fuck is going on here. 1327 01:05:32,238 --> 01:05:35,000 - Yeah that figures, that figures. 1328 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,242 [people laugh] 1329 01:05:36,242 --> 01:05:37,485 - No, Sickie is, he won't shut up. 1330 01:05:38,417 --> 01:05:41,385 - What, I won't shut up, wow. 1331 01:05:41,385 --> 01:05:43,422 [people laugh] 1332 01:05:43,422 --> 01:05:46,943 - Uh-oh, uh-oh, oh no, no job, no family, no pets, 1333 01:05:49,773 --> 01:05:54,536 no plants, no greenery, nothin' to water, 1334 01:05:55,917 --> 01:05:58,126 except to take a shower [imitates flatulance], John-- 1335 01:06:01,578 --> 01:06:03,166 - My name is Vejo Malo. 1336 01:06:03,166 --> 01:06:05,616 - Yeah, satanic, straightedge vegan. 1337 01:06:05,616 --> 01:06:08,067 - Hail, Satan. - Osama Bin John. 1338 01:06:08,067 --> 01:06:10,897 - Fuck you with the Osama bullshit. 1339 01:06:10,897 --> 01:06:11,829 Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, Sickie. 1340 01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:14,453 - We've used him before when our 1341 01:06:14,453 --> 01:06:17,007 fat drummer couldn't make it. 1342 01:06:17,007 --> 01:06:19,354 and now fatso's completely out. 1343 01:06:19,354 --> 01:06:22,979 Fat people tend to have a strange smell. 1344 01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:24,601 Well, it would have been nicer 1345 01:06:24,601 --> 01:06:28,329 to boot him out but he resigned. 1346 01:06:28,329 --> 01:06:30,745 [rock music] 1347 01:06:41,583 --> 01:06:43,240 - It's Cousin Fister here, alley-oop, 1348 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,931 right up the shoot. 1349 01:06:44,931 --> 01:06:46,588 I play rhythm guitar. 1350 01:06:46,588 --> 01:06:48,245 - Hang on a second, gotta check our tuning. 1351 01:06:48,245 --> 01:06:49,246 - Totally pro. - Yeah. 1352 01:06:49,246 --> 01:06:50,972 - Cousin Fister, this is actually 1353 01:06:50,972 --> 01:06:55,597 my first experience playing in the same band with him 1354 01:06:56,736 --> 01:06:58,704 and it worked out, he's a good humor guy. 1355 01:06:58,704 --> 01:07:03,157 I'm the bad humor guy, so he elevated my mood 1356 01:07:03,157 --> 01:07:06,125 into more of a positive realm. 1357 01:07:06,125 --> 01:07:07,644 [rock music] 1358 01:07:07,644 --> 01:07:11,303 - Sickie is one of the all time, greatest guitarists ever. 1359 01:07:11,303 --> 01:07:14,202 No bullshit, we work great together. 1360 01:07:14,202 --> 01:07:16,963 The best thing to do is sit back and let him do his thing. 1361 01:07:16,963 --> 01:07:19,104 - [Announcer] The man, the myth, the legend, 1362 01:07:19,104 --> 01:07:20,174 Sickie Wifebeater on lead guitar. 1363 01:07:20,174 --> 01:07:21,830 [crowd cheers] 1364 01:07:21,830 --> 01:07:24,247 [rock music] 1365 01:07:33,532 --> 01:07:35,361 - Rocking to the masses. 1366 01:07:35,361 --> 01:07:37,225 - What do we do men, weed. 1367 01:07:38,571 --> 01:07:41,022 [rock music] 1368 01:08:11,742 --> 01:08:14,297 [crowd cheers] 1369 01:08:16,126 --> 01:08:18,577 [rock music] 1370 01:08:33,799 --> 01:08:37,837 - Grace, disgrace, okay, I'm ready. 1371 01:08:39,322 --> 01:08:40,909 ♪ Oh yeah 1372 01:08:40,909 --> 01:08:42,911 ♪ Uh-huh 1373 01:08:42,911 --> 01:08:44,258 - [Sickie] Beer number five. 1374 01:08:45,466 --> 01:08:47,778 ♪ I'm hot, horny and fuckin' wasted ♪ 1375 01:08:47,778 --> 01:08:50,022 ♪ And you have the tits of a cow ♪ 1376 01:08:50,022 --> 01:08:52,231 Solo by solo, kind of like we did yesterday? 1377 01:08:53,232 --> 01:08:56,132 [guitar screeches] 1378 01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,452 That's what I fuckin' said, lets strip. 1379 01:09:06,452 --> 01:09:10,629 ♪ Yes I know how to rock 1380 01:09:10,629 --> 01:09:14,219 ♪ And I know how to shock 1381 01:09:14,219 --> 01:09:19,224 ♪ Why don't you take off your skirt ♪ 1382 01:09:20,328 --> 01:09:22,641 ♪ Take off your panties, bra and shirt ♪ 1383 01:09:22,641 --> 01:09:27,646 ♪ I ain't gonna ask you twice 1384 01:09:28,543 --> 01:09:31,753 ♪ I don't always play so nice 1385 01:09:31,753 --> 01:09:32,754 ♪ Put your ass 1386 01:09:32,754 --> 01:09:34,722 ♪ Right on my snoz 1387 01:09:34,722 --> 01:09:36,689 ♪ Let's strip now 1388 01:09:36,689 --> 01:09:40,383 ♪ Fuckin' naked and jump into the bed ♪ 1389 01:09:40,383 --> 01:09:45,388 ♪ I'm the rebel with a perverted cause, yesha ♪ 1390 01:09:46,734 --> 01:09:48,391 ♪ Let's strip now 1391 01:09:48,391 --> 01:09:49,633 ♪ Buck naked 1392 01:09:49,633 --> 01:09:51,359 ♪ That's what I fuckin' said 1393 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:56,261 ["Rockin' and Maxin'" by Dr. Heathen Scum] 1394 01:10:52,696 --> 01:10:56,942 [man gags and speaks incoherently] 103251

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