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- [Woman] Oh, it's got
too many words on here.
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May cause slut
fucking, intoxication,
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alcoholism, drug
addiction, copulation,
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sexual harassment
and masturbation.
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[heartbeat thuds]
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[energetic rock music]
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- [Woman] Mentors
were known to be
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one of the most offensive--
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- [Narrator] The demonstrators
say the three member group
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promotes sexual violence
against women and children,
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and perpetuates the myth
that women want rape.
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- [Woman] The most hated
band in the universe.
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- [Man] You guys ready
for some rape rock?
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[audience cheers]
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[Audience Member] Rape rock!
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[audience cheers and applauds]
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♪ Your body looks so fine
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♪ I wanna make it mine
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♪ You are my personal whore
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♪ You can smell my butt
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♪ Like a dirty slut
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♪ Smell it
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[crowd cheers]
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[Man] That's rape rock,
rape rock right there!
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[crowd cheers]
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[soft piano music]
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- I am Mama Duce,
El Duce's Mother.
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My husband, Walter, had played
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the violin when he was younger,
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and then my older boy
took up the guitar,
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and had his own band, then
Eldon was interested in drums.
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[drum beat thuds]
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We played a lot
of music at home.
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We had Kristofferson
and country music.
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He had a lot of friends in
school, always through school,
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but he was anxious
to get out of school.
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He did not care about
going to school very much.
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[drums thud]
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- I remember the first
time they got together.
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It was called The
Eldon Hoke Band.
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Dr. Heathen Scum, Sickie
Wifebeater, and Eldon.
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I was 13 and so
Eldon would have been
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about approximately 16,
I was totally like Eldon,
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into trouble and over
the next maybe two years,
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it morphed into the
full on Mentors.
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Eldon became El Duce.
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[drums thud]
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- [Man] Yeah!
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[group whistles and cheers]
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- Fueled by the booze, his
alcoholism started like 13, 14.
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He'd have a bottle
of cough syrup
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and he'd chug the whole
bottle of cough syrup.
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Relationship with
his dad was awful.
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But that was because
I think there
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was maybe a learning disability.
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They sent him to
this special school.
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He had dyslexia or
something like that.
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But believe me, the
intellect was there.
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I think it was
advanced for his age.
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His dad had a room, I think
it was a model train room.
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Because I'd go
over to their house
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and we'd go down
in their basement.
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♪ Well I been drinking
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♪ Since I was 15
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♪ And I drink it hard
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♪ And I'll drink it clean
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- And it was just like
stacks and stacks of porno,
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a huge collection of porno.
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Which was something I'd never
really seen at the time.
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♪ I'll drink booze
from day to day ♪
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♪ Drink away my money
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♪ And all of my pain
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♪ Mother's milk it tasted fine
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♪ But it felt better
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♪ When I bled that wine
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♪ This will leave me very poor
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♪ 500 bottles or maybe more
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♪ It's my thrill
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♪ That'll make me think
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♪ When I have a hit
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♪ Off that bottle and drink
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- I'm the grumpy,
old man of the band.
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I wanted to play guitar
when I heard Jimi Hendrix
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and my Mom wanted me to
learn how to play piano
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and hoped that the
guitar thing was a phase.
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John Marshall Junior
High, when he was walking
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down the hallway, he
looked weird [laughs].
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He had drumsticks so, that
was a clue, something was up.
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[rock music]
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- We had been playing together
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for a few years in high school
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in a band called
The Eldon Hoke Band.
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Just playing cover
songs and things.
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When we all got
out of high school,
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we were all kind of, didn't
know what to do with our lives
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and wanted to become musicians.
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And at that time, the
punk thing had started
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with the Sex Pistols and
all that kind of deal.
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And so we kind of hit
that ball and ran with it.
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Figured, hey let's do
this dirty lyric thing.
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[rock music]
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- El Duce growing up was
just like the rest of us,
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just full of piss and
vinegar as they say.
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- I was a vandal in school, I
used to trash the bathrooms,
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blow up the toilets with M80s
and stuff in high school.
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All of a sudden I
was in class one day,
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drunk, as usual, and
the teacher calls me
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and she goes, they
want you down at the
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Dean of Students Office,
and I knew somethin' was up.
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So I go down there, and
the Dean of Students
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tells me, you're
the one who's behind
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all the toilets gettin' blown up
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and the graffiti and the
trash and the garbage cans
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and everything else, and I
go, what do you mean by that?
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And he goes, your
buddies finked on you!
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You are the mentor
behind it all!
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And then when I got
kicked out of high school,
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I decided it's time
to form The Mentors.
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We formed in I'd say 1976.
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[rock music]
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- One of the first shows we did
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when we first started
was in Tacoma.
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We grew up in Seattle
and we somehow
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heard that there was
this really cool club,
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so we called up the
owner, talked to the guy
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on the phone, me and El Duce
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and said, well, you need to send
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us a demo tape and
a publicity pack.
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We actually made a copy of
Deep Purple, Live in Japan
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and put it on a cassette
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and sent a promo picture
of it and said it was us.
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And so he goes, "Okay,
you guys are booked."
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At that time, we actually,
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our act was pretty
shocking for the time.
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We had this girl that would
dress all in sexy clothes
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and lingerie and
come out with a whip.
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- We had a dancer called
The Whipping Woman
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get up there with a whip
and do her little shtick.
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- Now the club turned out to be
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not exactly as we
thought it would be.
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It was more like a pizza
joint rather than a rock club
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and they were actually
having a birthday party
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for a five year old kid
at the time, so [laughs].
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We got out there and
started playing our stuff,
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five year old kids
that are coming up
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with the little
hats on and stuff.
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This was like a Chuck E. Cheese
kind of scenario going on.
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We got about 30 seconds, maybe
two or three minutes tops,
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and he's back at the soundboard,
"Hey, you guys stop."
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So we were gonna play dumb,
well, what's the problem?
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Why do we have to, well you
know, you should figure out why.
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- They give us our 50 bucks
and told us to hit the highway.
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- They paid us to stop, that
happened more than once.
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We were booked in
Vancouver, Canada.
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- We're banned in Canada
because we went up
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there to play two shows,
there was actually
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people protesting out
front of the club.
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- [Narrator] The band
is playing tonight
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downstairs at Wellington's
on Albert Street.
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The band members called
Duce, Dr. Heathen Scum,
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and Sickie Wifebeater, it's
all part of a publicity stunt.
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Outside the bar, protestors find
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the concept of rape
rock appalling.
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- They told us once we got out
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of the country, never come back.
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- I think our fans
call it rape rock,
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because it totally blows
away all the other music
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that's on the market, and
flooding the marketplace today.
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- [Narrator] If tonight
is any indication,
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heavy metal rockers
will probably
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pack up Wellington's
tomorrow night as well.
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[somber piano music]
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- Pretty soon they were banned
from just about every club.
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They were actually,
you can't play
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here anymore [chuckles],
you're too hardcore.
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- Back when we started,
it wasn't unusual,
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actually, for people
to get arrested
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for saying dirty
lyrics in public.
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You were kind of skating
on thin ice to do it
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because there was the
threat of getting arrested.
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We played a role, I think,
in corrupting society.
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♪ One, two, three, four
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♪ Suck and fuck
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♪ And cook and clean
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♪ Baby, do you
know what I mean ♪
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♪ You gotta do it everyday
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♪ Suck and fuck and
cook and clean ♪
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♪ Slut, do you
know what I mean ♪
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♪ It's the only way
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♪ First you suck
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♪ Then you fuck
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♪ Then you cook
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- All the lyrics are
based on true stuff
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and our deepest, happy desires
to do things, legal or not.
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[rock music]
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- Pushing the
boundaries lyrically.
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- Well, the lyrics are explicit,
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there's nothing that
they won't sing about.
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- Peeping Tom, Going
Through her Purse,
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Four F Club, it's like 4-H Club.
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♪ Find her
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♪ Feel her
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♪ Fuck her
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♪ Forget her
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- Golden showers.
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- Four F Club.
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- Four F Club, Going Through
Your Purse, White Trash Woman.
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♪ Rock em
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♪ Sock em
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♪ It's a gas
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♪ Rock 'em
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♪ Sock 'em
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♪ Gonna kick your ass
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- And then the version
of Woman from Sodom
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where he sings along with the
guitar line at the beginning.
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[John grunts]
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[laughs] Brilliant.
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♪ We are the kings of sleaze
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♪ Shut up, bitch
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♪ Get on your knees
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♪ We are the kings of sleaze
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♪ We don't have
venereal disease ♪
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[rock music]
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- [Radio DJ] All right, that
was The Mentors right there,
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Kings of Sleaze.
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- Hey, all you sluts out there,
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are you tired of
hanging out with
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a bunch of low life,
glam rock fags?
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Why don't you go for a real man?
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A booze guzzling,
porno reading man.
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Enter The Mentors
Dream Date Contest,
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and you can win a good date
with me, El Duce [laughs]!
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Now all you have to
do is send me a nude,
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explicitly nude, photo of
yourself, and some cash!
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I've gotta support my
drinking habit, now baby.
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Whoever gets my geyser
gushing the quickest, wins!
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[static hums]
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[rock music]
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- [Woman] The most hated
band in the universe.
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- They called their
music rape rock.
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- They're definitely
pioneers for
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the genre that we
now call rape rock.
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- That's rape rock, rape rock!
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- How else was a middle
aged man gonna get pussy?
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- [Man] Tits, ass, pussy!
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- No sissies need
apply in that band.
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- They had topless dancers,
strippers on stage.
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- [Man] Nobody was a
band like that, ever.
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["Donkey Dick" by The Mentors]
251
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♪ I got a donkey dick
252
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♪ It'll make you sick
253
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♪ I got a donkey dick
254
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♪ It's big and thick
255
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♪ I got a donkey dick
256
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♪ It's a hell of a fact
257
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♪ I got a donkey dick
258
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♪ It's where it's at
259
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- The Mentors were
like Mad Magazine,
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and Cracked,
261
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kind of on acid and
steroids and pumped up to 10
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with good music behind it, and
that's what the appeal was.
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You get a bite on your
hook, you keep putting
264
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the same bait on there, right?
265
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It looked like cartoons,
executioner hoods,
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Steve with the big glasses,
because he used to wear
267
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those big Ernie from
My Three Sons glasses.
268
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[rock music]
269
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And Sickie was the other rock
and roll star with the hair.
270
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[hard rock music]
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- The Mentors kind of made an
art out of objectifying women,
272
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that was sort of the humor of
where they were coming from.
273
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I think shock rock had
two different avenues.
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There was the shock with
the production value,
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that was everything
from the Plasmatics,
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Gwar, with all their effects,
277
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that was one side of shock,
278
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and then other side of shock
was just using profanity
279
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and saying unpopular
things, so that was more
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like GG Allin, Mentors,
Dwarves kind of thing.
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I think it came about
for the same reason
282
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punk came about in
the 70s which was that
283
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people just got bored
with the status quo.
284
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Anything that was
too predictable
285
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breeds this kind of, well let's
do something even nastier.
286
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Let's go out on a
limb even more here.
287
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Let's really plum the dark side.
288
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- For about three years,
it was a wide open thing.
289
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So there wasn't categories,
there wasn't even really metal.
290
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Like even Black Sabbath was
a hard rock band back then.
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Judas Priest was hard
rock, GG Allin, though,
292
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he was on the East
Coast doing other stuff.
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Doing legitimate
punk type stuff.
294
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GG Allin's is definitely
more shock rock
295
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where El Duce had a real great
mind, genius mind for lyrics
296
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that were self-effacing
and making fun of himself.
297
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Rather than just trying
to piss people off,
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he would offend people,
but in a way that you kind
299
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of loved the guy because
it's like, that's funny.
300
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Where GG Allin wasn't
all that funny.
301
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GG Allin was a perpetrator,
which is a whole
302
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different thing, this
was a rock and roll band
303
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with kind of funny lyrics,
I think they're going
304
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for more comedy than
shock rock, actually.
305
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I Wanna Build a Shit
Tower, gimme a break.
306
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How many people here have
wanted to build a shit tower?
307
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[people laugh]
308
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- They brought it back
to that stage in life
309
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when you still were
playing with your own shit.
310
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[mud splats]
311
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- He knew what he
was doing in the fact
312
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that he knew if he
did what he did,
313
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people were gonna get pissed.
314
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In music nowadays,
the risk isn't there
315
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because things are
so diversified.
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The shock value had died down
317
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and that's one thing that
The Mentors brought back.
318
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♪ When you're horny
319
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♪ You're horny
320
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♪ When you're horny like me
321
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♪ When you're horny
322
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♪ You're horny
323
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- Early on, they played
punk rock shows probably
324
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because they couldn't
play anywhere else.
325
00:16:54,944 --> 00:16:56,808
It was the punk
rockers that liked 'em.
326
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That was their following.
327
00:16:58,845 --> 00:17:00,329
- They definitely had a
big punk rock following,
328
00:17:00,329 --> 00:17:03,332
but only half of the punk
rockers could take 'em.
329
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They were too hardcore
for a lot of 'em.
330
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♪ When you're horny
331
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♪ You're horny
332
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- And at that time,
there was the beginning
333
00:17:12,272 --> 00:17:13,929
of the punk/metal
crossover scene,
334
00:17:13,929 --> 00:17:16,414
so it was a lot less defined.
335
00:17:16,414 --> 00:17:19,969
- I think there was social
hatred between the two of them.
336
00:17:19,969 --> 00:17:22,213
The metal people thought
punk was all for people
337
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that couldn't play music,
who didn't give a fuck.
338
00:17:24,008 --> 00:17:25,906
I think the punk guys
thought of the metal guys
339
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as they were commercial,
pretentious bullshit.
340
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The good stuff rises to the top,
341
00:17:30,773 --> 00:17:33,500
and the bullshit falls away.
342
00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:34,915
- One thing about
The Mentors, too,
343
00:17:34,915 --> 00:17:36,745
was they don't get
a lot of credit,
344
00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:38,540
I think that you
play shock rock,
345
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people are gonna
focus on one thing.
346
00:17:40,266 --> 00:17:44,201
But they all can play,
they're great musicians.
347
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Because of the subject
matter, that gets overlooked.
348
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["Free Fix" by The Mentors]
349
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♪ Hey, hey slut
350
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♪ Isn't it nice
351
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♪ Ooh yeah
352
00:18:28,003 --> 00:18:29,591
♪ It's time to raise the price
353
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♪ Get your junk now
354
00:18:31,317 --> 00:18:32,628
♪ Is it everyday
355
00:18:32,628 --> 00:18:35,804
♪ Now you have to
get real sleazy ♪
356
00:18:35,804 --> 00:18:39,463
♪ Not just a slut fuck
357
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♪ But a good butt fuck
358
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♪ Free fix for a butt fuck
359
00:18:46,332 --> 00:18:49,818
♪ Free fix for a butt fuck
360
00:18:49,818 --> 00:18:52,441
♪ Free fix for a butt fuck
361
00:18:52,441 --> 00:18:55,824
♪ Free fix for a butt fuck
362
00:18:55,824 --> 00:18:59,138
♪ Free fix for a butt fuck
363
00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:02,831
♪ Free fix for a butt fuck
364
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,940
[audience applauds and cheers]
365
00:19:14,601 --> 00:19:16,603
- [Man] Hey, Sickie, turn it up!
366
00:19:16,603 --> 00:19:18,433
- Are you ready for these guys?
367
00:19:18,433 --> 00:19:21,021
[crowd cheers]
368
00:19:27,096 --> 00:19:28,822
You wanted it, here you go!
369
00:19:28,822 --> 00:19:30,099
[audience cheers]
370
00:19:30,099 --> 00:19:32,171
- It was hard for big
labels to pick 'em up,
371
00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:34,966
because they were so hardcore.
372
00:19:34,966 --> 00:19:37,452
- A couple of our bands on
the label had seen them play.
373
00:19:37,452 --> 00:19:39,764
I think they opened for
somebody like Bitch or...
374
00:19:39,764 --> 00:19:41,766
And they said, you
have to see this band,
375
00:19:41,766 --> 00:19:43,561
they're hysterical,
saw them live
376
00:19:43,561 --> 00:19:45,701
and it was just
incredibly crazy.
377
00:19:45,701 --> 00:19:47,703
They put some stuff out before,
378
00:19:47,703 --> 00:19:49,705
and it kind of was
in the underground,
379
00:19:49,705 --> 00:19:51,673
a lot of tape traders and stuff
were happening at the time.
380
00:19:51,673 --> 00:19:54,193
They became this little
underground sensation
381
00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,436
because they were really funny,
382
00:19:56,436 --> 00:19:58,231
and the music was
really good, as well.
383
00:19:58,231 --> 00:20:01,752
Once I got into and
started listening to it and
384
00:20:01,752 --> 00:20:02,925
seen what they were doing live,
385
00:20:02,925 --> 00:20:04,203
I'm like, oh man,
these guys are amazing.
386
00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:05,652
Somebody's gotta do
something with them,
387
00:20:05,652 --> 00:20:07,758
so we ended up doing a
couple records with them.
388
00:20:07,758 --> 00:20:10,209
[rock music]
389
00:20:12,211 --> 00:20:14,972
El was an interesting
guy, when he was sober,
390
00:20:14,972 --> 00:20:18,251
he was unbelievably smart
and an incredible drummer.
391
00:20:18,251 --> 00:20:21,358
Unfortunately, he wasn't
sober a whole lot of the time.
392
00:20:21,358 --> 00:20:22,911
So trying to make
a record in the
393
00:20:22,911 --> 00:20:24,430
studio was a little difficult.
394
00:20:24,430 --> 00:20:27,571
He'd come in and we'd maybe
an hours worth of work done
395
00:20:27,571 --> 00:20:30,539
and then he would get so drunk
it would just fall apart.
396
00:20:30,539 --> 00:20:33,853
We figured out a way
that we would reward him
397
00:20:33,853 --> 00:20:35,751
with giving him
free beers, like,
398
00:20:35,751 --> 00:20:37,615
hey if you get these takes
down then we'll give you
399
00:20:37,615 --> 00:20:39,445
some beer because half the time
400
00:20:39,445 --> 00:20:42,275
we were making these
records, Bill Metoyer,
401
00:20:42,275 --> 00:20:43,828
the engineer and I were just
laughing, dying laughing.
402
00:20:43,828 --> 00:20:45,796
Their shows were a riot, too,
403
00:20:45,796 --> 00:20:47,901
because you never knew
what was gonna happen.
404
00:20:47,901 --> 00:20:49,524
It's interesting with them
because there was the danger
405
00:20:49,524 --> 00:20:51,664
aspect of just what
they were doing on stage
406
00:20:51,664 --> 00:20:53,873
and the lyrical stuff,
but also the danger
407
00:20:53,873 --> 00:20:56,358
of you don't know what
shape they're gonna
408
00:20:56,358 --> 00:20:59,603
be in when they show up, they
could be completely sober
409
00:20:59,603 --> 00:21:02,019
and have an amazing show,
or they could be completely
410
00:21:02,019 --> 00:21:05,609
wasted and play two songs
and completely fall apart
411
00:21:05,609 --> 00:21:07,576
and then get in
fights on stage and
412
00:21:07,576 --> 00:21:11,304
it was definitely, that was
a dangerous band at the time.
413
00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:13,064
["Secretary Hump"
by The Mentors]
414
00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:14,376
♪ I'm just a horny slob
415
00:21:14,376 --> 00:21:18,277
♪ Here comes my secretary hump
416
00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:21,521
♪ Gonna cram my dick
up in her rump ♪
417
00:21:21,521 --> 00:21:24,593
- Much as those guys were
great and El was amazing,
418
00:21:24,593 --> 00:21:26,940
they were not the best
business people to deal with
419
00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:29,288
because they liked to
drink a little too much.
420
00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:31,290
- What happened with
Duce was he got,
421
00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:32,877
because of the way
he lived his life
422
00:21:32,877 --> 00:21:34,500
and his alcohol
problem, he would be
423
00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:36,295
constantly surrounded
with low life's.
424
00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:39,919
Just really the worst
possible [laughs].
425
00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,301
So there was this one guy,
I won't mention his name,
426
00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:44,337
he's probably still
alive, all of a sudden
427
00:21:44,337 --> 00:21:47,098
proclaimed himself
as El Duce's manager.
428
00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:48,790
Now anybody that's
hanging out with them,
429
00:21:48,790 --> 00:21:51,448
giving them a beer,
anything, that's all it took.
430
00:21:51,448 --> 00:21:54,071
His main goal was to
try to get more money
431
00:21:54,071 --> 00:21:56,280
so they can buy beer
and get fucked up.
432
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,938
- The first time we
actually had a real office,
433
00:21:58,938 --> 00:22:00,215
we had a meeting with the band
434
00:22:00,215 --> 00:22:02,286
and their, I'm going
to put in quotes,
435
00:22:02,286 --> 00:22:05,324
manager, would float
in, so he was wasted.
436
00:22:05,324 --> 00:22:08,568
And then, of course,
El was always wasted.
437
00:22:08,568 --> 00:22:12,123
- This manager guy
and Duce both went in,
438
00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:14,885
completely shit-faced, unbathed,
439
00:22:16,024 --> 00:22:18,923
and demanding money,
tried to get an advance.
440
00:22:18,923 --> 00:22:21,719
I think that Brian was probably
441
00:22:21,719 --> 00:22:23,514
fairly generous with El Duce.
442
00:22:23,514 --> 00:22:24,998
- We didn't really
get a lot of work
443
00:22:24,998 --> 00:22:27,967
done in that meeting, they
were a little out of control.
444
00:22:27,967 --> 00:22:29,796
- He said, no and they
asked him to leave
445
00:22:29,796 --> 00:22:33,731
and so Duce took out his dick
446
00:22:33,731 --> 00:22:37,356
and started drunkenly peeing
all over the guys desk.
447
00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:38,805
That put the icing on the cake
448
00:22:38,805 --> 00:22:40,773
and the guy was no
longer interested.
449
00:22:40,773 --> 00:22:42,464
- We were a little
scared at the time
450
00:22:42,464 --> 00:22:44,259
[laughs] when that happened.
451
00:22:44,259 --> 00:22:47,089
- We started going in a down
slide as a result of that.
452
00:22:47,089 --> 00:22:48,746
- But it was a lot of fun
working with those guys.
453
00:22:48,746 --> 00:22:51,749
I mean, legendary band
they've become now.
454
00:22:51,749 --> 00:22:54,683
It's really amazing that we
had our little part in it.
455
00:22:54,683 --> 00:22:57,168
- El Duce was a
little bit more daring
456
00:22:57,168 --> 00:22:59,930
and didn't really give a shit.
457
00:22:59,930 --> 00:23:02,035
Yeah, I mean, he didn't
really stop at dirty lyrics.
458
00:23:02,035 --> 00:23:05,245
I mean, he would expose
himself and play with himself.
459
00:23:06,108 --> 00:23:08,490
[rock music]
460
00:23:10,803 --> 00:23:12,701
[El Duce farts]
461
00:23:12,701 --> 00:23:14,393
[El Duce makes
noise with tongue]
462
00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:15,463
- Right here.
463
00:23:20,985 --> 00:23:22,159
♪ Here they come
464
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:23,678
♪ Sweet little girl
465
00:23:23,678 --> 00:23:27,406
♪ I'll teach ya how to fuck
466
00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:30,409
♪ Come on over here
467
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:31,548
♪ Pull down my pants
468
00:23:31,548 --> 00:23:32,756
♪ And start to suck
469
00:23:32,756 --> 00:23:35,172
- Sex, drugs, rock
and roll, you know how
470
00:23:35,172 --> 00:23:38,106
they party [laughs],
especially Sickie.
471
00:23:38,106 --> 00:23:41,937
- Gettin' high all the time,
boozing it up, talking shit.
472
00:23:41,937 --> 00:23:43,560
- Eldon was fearless
and you know
473
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:48,565
how Broy can be and Sickie,
Sickie can just shred.
474
00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,948
["Peeping Tom" by The Mentors]
475
00:24:09,309 --> 00:24:10,379
♪ I'm a peeping
476
00:24:10,379 --> 00:24:12,934
♪ I'm a peeping Tom
477
00:24:12,934 --> 00:24:16,144
♪ And all these hits you take
478
00:24:16,144 --> 00:24:18,284
- I first saw The
Mentors, I was doing
479
00:24:18,284 --> 00:24:20,873
sound at the Cathay De Grande.
480
00:24:20,873 --> 00:24:25,187
These guys got up there
and the lead singer,
481
00:24:25,187 --> 00:24:27,880
who was the drummer, he
had really good diction
482
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,746
so you could understand, he'd
annunciate every dirty word,
483
00:24:31,746 --> 00:24:33,920
and then this guitar
player, Sickie,
484
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,267
he did a lot of over hand stuff.
485
00:24:36,267 --> 00:24:38,477
Sickie was a big
influence on a lot
486
00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:40,409
of people with the
over hand stuff.
487
00:24:40,409 --> 00:24:42,757
Of course, I know they
were a big influence
488
00:24:42,757 --> 00:24:45,898
on Metallica, met
the lead singer
489
00:24:45,898 --> 00:24:48,107
of Metallica backstage
at one of their shows.
490
00:24:48,107 --> 00:24:50,489
- They're basically just
obnoxious heavy metal,
491
00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:51,835
really obnoxious.
492
00:24:51,835 --> 00:24:53,388
Yeah, they were the poster boys
493
00:24:53,388 --> 00:24:56,598
of the shock rock,
the dirty lyrics,
494
00:24:56,598 --> 00:24:59,325
oh my god, the world's going
to hell in a hand basket.
495
00:25:00,464 --> 00:25:03,329
It was a joke, he
had the greatest raps
496
00:25:03,329 --> 00:25:06,125
between songs that
you've ever heard.
497
00:25:06,125 --> 00:25:08,679
Like the album Live at
the Cathay De Grande.
498
00:25:08,679 --> 00:25:10,819
♪ I don't know why you girls
have your noses in the air ♪
499
00:25:10,819 --> 00:25:13,339
- [Man] All these girls
with their noses in the air.
500
00:25:13,339 --> 00:25:15,514
- Unprintable [laughs]
501
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,240
- It's a hybrid with
really hardcore punk
502
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,004
meets classic heavy metal,
with insanely sexist
503
00:25:24,764 --> 00:25:29,769
yet hilarious lyrics, like
Don Rickles made it up.
504
00:25:31,219 --> 00:25:32,807
- They really believe that our
people crossed the red sea.
505
00:25:32,807 --> 00:25:34,671
Two Jews went [imitates
gulping water].
506
00:25:34,671 --> 00:25:36,189
[audience laughs]
507
00:25:36,189 --> 00:25:37,950
- And we loved shock rock,
everyone loves Alice Cooper
508
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:40,677
and KISS, they had
great songs, regardless
509
00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:44,163
of the lyrical content,
that's all for your taste,
510
00:25:44,163 --> 00:25:45,958
but the music is slamming good.
511
00:25:45,958 --> 00:25:49,409
Because it's just awesome
riffing, it's awesome.
512
00:25:49,409 --> 00:25:53,482
["Sleep Bandits" by The Mentors]
513
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:26,170
♪ We're creepy crawling
through the night ♪
514
00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:29,484
♪ We're looking for some
pussy good and tight ♪
515
00:26:29,484 --> 00:26:32,660
♪ Hopefully you will
be drunk and asleep ♪
516
00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:36,905
♪ For us to sink
our dicks in deep ♪
517
00:26:41,151 --> 00:26:43,291
- I feared that
someone would beat
518
00:26:43,291 --> 00:26:45,604
the crap out of him
for what he was saying.
519
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,813
When he would sing
these offensive things
520
00:26:47,813 --> 00:26:50,263
about women and how
they're, you know,
521
00:26:50,263 --> 00:26:53,473
what The Mentors sing
about, the reactions
522
00:26:53,473 --> 00:26:56,891
of many women, back then,
they would freak out.
523
00:26:56,891 --> 00:27:00,722
Since he was my brother, I
knew he was all about shock.
524
00:27:00,722 --> 00:27:03,932
He would say anything that
would ruffle your feathers.
525
00:27:03,932 --> 00:27:06,210
A lot of women were not pleased.
526
00:27:06,210 --> 00:27:09,420
Most men rooted him on, though.
527
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:11,353
And they used terms
like, rape rock.
528
00:27:11,353 --> 00:27:14,149
Well, Alice Cooper did a
lot of crazy things too,
529
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:17,946
like biting off heads
of pigeons and stuff.
530
00:27:17,946 --> 00:27:19,983
I think he was the
one that did that.
531
00:27:19,983 --> 00:27:21,640
[record screeches]
[bird bones snap]
532
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,090
Because I knew my brother,
I knew he was no rapist
533
00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:27,784
and he was no wife beater and
he was none of these things.
534
00:27:27,784 --> 00:27:31,788
Now I can't say the same
for Sickie Wifebeater.
535
00:27:32,685 --> 00:27:33,548
- Uh-oh.
536
00:27:34,583 --> 00:27:37,932
I was fuckin' my
wife for awhile,
537
00:27:37,932 --> 00:27:42,661
and then one day I noticed
that she smelled kind of funny
538
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:44,766
'cause I would doin'
the Sickie sniffer test.
539
00:27:44,766 --> 00:27:47,113
- [Interviewer] What's
the Sickie sniffer test?
540
00:27:47,113 --> 00:27:48,252
- You know how you
always gotta lick 'em
541
00:27:48,252 --> 00:27:50,634
before you dick 'em, this time
542
00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:54,603
I like to sniff 'em
before I smack 'em.
543
00:27:54,603 --> 00:27:57,572
We have a song called,
The Sickie Sniffer Test,
544
00:27:57,572 --> 00:28:01,162
also based on a true [laughs].
545
00:28:01,162 --> 00:28:02,784
Like I said, everything is true
546
00:28:02,784 --> 00:28:05,131
or has a kernel of truth to it.
547
00:28:05,131 --> 00:28:08,514
And in this particular
case, I sniffed
548
00:28:08,514 --> 00:28:10,067
and I didn't like what I smelt.
549
00:28:10,067 --> 00:28:12,207
I smelled another man, at least
550
00:28:12,207 --> 00:28:14,693
it didn't smell
like another woman.
551
00:28:14,693 --> 00:28:17,972
♪ Five horny Mentors
552
00:28:17,972 --> 00:28:20,871
♪ We have a request
553
00:28:20,871 --> 00:28:23,391
♪ Can you pass
554
00:28:23,391 --> 00:28:26,394
♪ The Sickie Sniffer Test
555
00:28:26,394 --> 00:28:29,155
♪ Slut said that I
won't tell him nothin' ♪
556
00:28:29,155 --> 00:28:32,331
♪ We were in my bed
and we were hopin' ♪
557
00:28:32,331 --> 00:28:33,642
♪ I was gonna
558
00:28:33,642 --> 00:28:35,506
♪ I was gonna tell
her somethin' ♪
559
00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:36,542
♪ How does sloppy seconds
560
00:28:36,542 --> 00:28:38,233
♪ Taste to your husband
561
00:28:38,233 --> 00:28:40,960
♪ To black guys
through the butt ♪
562
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,963
♪ Alone in bed and
nice surprise ♪
563
00:28:43,963 --> 00:28:45,344
♪ Broken jaw
564
00:28:45,344 --> 00:28:46,759
♪ Knocked out teeth
565
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,381
♪ Your husband kicked
your slutty ass ♪
566
00:28:48,381 --> 00:28:50,590
♪ Because you were fuckin' me
567
00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:55,112
- Sometimes it'd be violence
at the shows and stuff.
568
00:28:55,112 --> 00:28:56,700
We would have a cross section
569
00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:01,705
of metal-ers and punkers
and then straight edge
570
00:29:02,879 --> 00:29:06,020
skinheads that wanted
to beat up people.
571
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:08,022
I remember one time
572
00:29:08,022 --> 00:29:11,646
when we were in LA, we got
invited to some house party,
573
00:29:11,646 --> 00:29:15,788
but skinheads were
running the joint
574
00:29:15,788 --> 00:29:18,929
and they didn't like the
fact that I had long hair.
575
00:29:18,929 --> 00:29:21,138
They said, "Well you can come,
576
00:29:21,138 --> 00:29:23,209
"but you gotta wear your hood."
577
00:29:23,209 --> 00:29:27,075
I go, I wouldn't be caught in
a skinhead place without one.
578
00:29:27,075 --> 00:29:29,146
- El Duce came out with the idea
579
00:29:29,146 --> 00:29:32,736
of wearing executioner
hoods because he was big fan
580
00:29:32,736 --> 00:29:34,703
of this movie,
Mark of the Devil,
581
00:29:34,703 --> 00:29:37,430
which was a cult, horror movie.
582
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:39,674
- I collect a lot
of horror films
583
00:29:39,674 --> 00:29:41,987
and this guy was chopping
off all these people's heads.
584
00:29:41,987 --> 00:29:43,782
- One of these guys with hoods
585
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:47,889
would torture all these
people for alleged crimes
586
00:29:47,889 --> 00:29:49,615
against the church
and things like that.
587
00:29:49,615 --> 00:29:52,135
- And I go, man, that guys
got the coolest outfit,
588
00:29:52,135 --> 00:29:54,275
I gotta get one just
like it, and I go,
589
00:29:54,275 --> 00:29:57,830
that's what we'll do, we'll
all wear execution hoods!
590
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:59,970
- So he had the idea to
do that and make it sort
591
00:29:59,970 --> 00:30:03,387
of like KISS, where it was
a secret identity thing.
592
00:30:03,387 --> 00:30:05,734
- Well I figured,
KISS have their look,
593
00:30:05,734 --> 00:30:08,565
and The Beatles have their
look, we gotta have our look.
594
00:30:08,565 --> 00:30:11,464
- Yeah, we did get
mistaken, lumped in
595
00:30:11,464 --> 00:30:15,330
with the Ku Klux Klan,
occasionally, that would happen.
596
00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:17,056
But we just have to
explain to people,
597
00:30:17,056 --> 00:30:19,576
no these aren't white
hoods, they're black hoods
598
00:30:19,576 --> 00:30:21,060
but it is a little complicated
599
00:30:21,060 --> 00:30:23,580
because the Ku Klux Klan,
they actually have some
600
00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:26,272
of the higher ranking guys
in the clan are allowed
601
00:30:26,272 --> 00:30:27,929
to wear black
hoods, so [laughs],
602
00:30:29,275 --> 00:30:31,864
that created also some problems.
603
00:30:31,864 --> 00:30:35,143
We were an integrated band,
that would cause problems, also.
604
00:30:35,143 --> 00:30:37,663
- I guess I'm the Sammy
Davis Junior of the group.
605
00:30:39,009 --> 00:30:40,528
Erase it.
606
00:30:40,528 --> 00:30:42,081
Steve always tell me to
leave his white women alone
607
00:30:42,081 --> 00:30:45,050
and I'm always telling him,
leave my black women alone.
608
00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:47,328
[rock music]
609
00:30:47,328 --> 00:30:49,123
- [Steve] Hands off
my white women, Loma.
610
00:30:49,123 --> 00:30:51,435
[Loma laughs]
611
00:30:51,435 --> 00:30:52,747
- What kind of shit is that?
612
00:30:52,747 --> 00:30:55,923
Pussy is pussy,
I always thought.
613
00:30:55,923 --> 00:31:00,237
["Chicks With Dicks"
by The Mentors
614
00:31:10,903 --> 00:31:13,975
♪ I can't believe my eyes
615
00:31:13,975 --> 00:31:16,046
♪ Watchin' you on sunset strip
616
00:31:16,046 --> 00:31:19,153
♪ Wearin' all that
glam rock makeup ♪
617
00:31:19,153 --> 00:31:23,157
♪ In drag and buckin' your hip
618
00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:43,073
♪ Glam rock faggot
619
00:31:43,073 --> 00:31:45,558
♪ All you are is a
620
00:31:45,558 --> 00:31:48,354
♪ Glam rock faggot
621
00:31:48,354 --> 00:31:50,149
♪ Chicks with dicks
622
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:52,393
- We always tried to have
music behind this stuff,
623
00:31:52,393 --> 00:31:54,913
so it wasn't just
simply shocking
624
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,431
for the sake of being shocking.
625
00:31:57,329 --> 00:32:00,021
[dramatic music]
626
00:32:11,895 --> 00:32:13,759
- [Narrator] The sex
and violence in rock
627
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,796
and roll lyrics and whether
the records should be rated X.
628
00:32:24,701 --> 00:32:27,946
- [Narrator] Tipper Gore, wife
of US Senator Albert Gore,
629
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:30,603
heads the campaign
to label all records
630
00:32:30,603 --> 00:32:33,503
that deal with drugs,
sex or violence.
631
00:32:33,503 --> 00:32:35,574
- As parents, we
believe we have a right
632
00:32:35,574 --> 00:32:38,128
to some consumer
guidance in our effort
633
00:32:38,128 --> 00:32:41,683
to protect our own
children from material
634
00:32:41,683 --> 00:32:44,410
that we believe may be
inappropriate for them.
635
00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:48,725
- The PMRC I thought was
just a way for Al Gore's wife
636
00:32:48,725 --> 00:32:52,211
and Al Gore to get
more notoriety,
637
00:32:52,211 --> 00:32:54,248
kind of like that movie he
made about the global warming.
638
00:32:54,248 --> 00:32:55,835
I'll make a movie
about something
639
00:32:55,835 --> 00:32:57,389
that nobody can
really do anything
640
00:32:57,389 --> 00:32:59,391
about and everybody
will freak out
641
00:32:59,391 --> 00:33:01,634
and I'll win the
Nobel Peace Prize
642
00:33:01,634 --> 00:33:03,705
and up my speaking price,
and that'll show 'em
643
00:33:03,705 --> 00:33:05,776
for not letting me be president.
644
00:33:05,776 --> 00:33:07,986
Did he say the F word on that?
645
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,712
Let's play that back
over and over and over.
646
00:33:10,712 --> 00:33:13,301
Oh my goodness,
he said that word
647
00:33:13,301 --> 00:33:15,372
that you can't say on
TV like George Carlin
648
00:33:15,372 --> 00:33:17,892
used to talk about, the seven
words you can't say on TV.
649
00:33:17,892 --> 00:33:20,757
- Shit, piss, fuck,
cunt, cocksucker,
motherfucker and tits.
650
00:33:20,757 --> 00:33:22,897
- That was true, nobody
did it, you get fined.
651
00:33:22,897 --> 00:33:26,038
- The Mentors were
known to be one
652
00:33:26,038 --> 00:33:28,454
of the most offensive
at that time.
653
00:33:28,454 --> 00:33:32,631
They cited him in the congress
as one of the most offensive
654
00:33:32,631 --> 00:33:37,636
and that's when they started
labeling albums with a warning.
655
00:33:39,051 --> 00:33:40,742
Well, really all that did
was, you know how kids are,
656
00:33:40,742 --> 00:33:42,537
it made 'em wanna buy it worse.
657
00:33:42,537 --> 00:33:45,713
And so Eldon's sales
actually increased.
658
00:33:45,713 --> 00:33:47,473
- [Narrator] The notion
of a label recommending
659
00:33:47,473 --> 00:33:49,958
parental guidance to be
applied by individual
660
00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:51,960
record companies on
albums containing
661
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,825
explicit lyrics is gaining
industry acceptance.
662
00:33:54,825 --> 00:33:58,070
- We have asked them to
please go one step further
663
00:33:58,070 --> 00:34:00,245
and make it a really
adequate solution
664
00:34:00,245 --> 00:34:03,455
by creating an industry
wide set of criteria
665
00:34:03,455 --> 00:34:05,422
that all the companies
would subscribe to
666
00:34:05,422 --> 00:34:07,493
and then could
individually apply.
667
00:34:07,493 --> 00:34:09,426
- They went through
a whole bunch
668
00:34:09,426 --> 00:34:14,431
of bands that they wanted to
have labeling on their records.
669
00:34:15,294 --> 00:34:16,882
So they would recite the lyrics,
670
00:34:16,882 --> 00:34:19,298
okay this band said this,
this band said that,
671
00:34:19,298 --> 00:34:20,644
isn't that bad, isn't that bad?
672
00:34:20,644 --> 00:34:22,888
And then at the very end
of this presentation,
673
00:34:22,888 --> 00:34:26,167
they said, and the worst
one was The Mentors.
674
00:34:26,167 --> 00:34:28,480
And they read some of
the Mentors lyrics.
675
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,344
- Let's move on to sexuality,
a theme which has been
676
00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:32,794
part of rock music
since the beginning.
677
00:34:32,794 --> 00:34:35,280
Today's rock artists are
describing sexual activity
678
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,834
and practice in terms more
graphic than ever before.
679
00:34:37,834 --> 00:34:40,388
- Here's the best part of
the reverends testimony,
680
00:34:40,388 --> 00:34:42,459
this was the most
sensational part
681
00:34:42,459 --> 00:34:44,737
of the hearing, as far
as I was concerned.
682
00:34:44,737 --> 00:34:47,119
This is the part
where the reverend
683
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:52,124
recites the lyrics to,
"Golden Shower" by Mentor.
684
00:34:53,263 --> 00:34:54,471
[Reverend] "Listen,
you little slut.
685
00:34:54,471 --> 00:34:56,370
"Do you as you are
told, come with daddy
686
00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:59,097
"for me to pour the
gold, golden showers,
687
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:01,306
"all through my
excrement you shall roam.
688
00:35:01,306 --> 00:35:03,584
"Bend up and smell
my anal vapor.
689
00:35:03,584 --> 00:35:05,689
"Your face is my toilet paper.
690
00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:09,486
"On your face I leave a
shit tower, golden showers."
691
00:35:09,486 --> 00:35:10,936
[gavel thuds]
692
00:35:10,936 --> 00:35:12,662
Mr. Chairman, that concludes
my remarks, thank you.
693
00:35:12,662 --> 00:35:14,284
[Chairman] All right, Mr. Ling,
sorry, your time is expired.
694
00:35:14,284 --> 00:35:16,907
[people laugh]
695
00:35:18,495 --> 00:35:21,602
[gavel thuds]
696
00:35:21,602 --> 00:35:26,124
- And I believe fighting for
our rights to not be censored
697
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:31,129
was Dee Snider, Frank
Zappa, and John Denver,
698
00:35:32,337 --> 00:35:33,855
of all people, can
you believe that?
699
00:35:33,855 --> 00:35:35,305
- Good morning, Mr. Chairman.
700
00:35:35,305 --> 00:35:37,583
- [Narrator] This material
is being aggressively
701
00:35:37,583 --> 00:35:39,620
marketed to younger
and younger children.
702
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:41,725
Preteens and young teens,
and they're being exposed
703
00:35:41,725 --> 00:35:44,142
to what I would
call, mature scenes.
704
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:46,661
Sadomasochism, thrill killing,
705
00:35:46,661 --> 00:35:50,217
songs glorifying incest,
and songs glorifying rape.
706
00:35:50,217 --> 00:35:52,495
- We were a victim
of it, in fact,
707
00:35:52,495 --> 00:35:54,462
The Raven logo with
the flash is considered
708
00:35:54,462 --> 00:35:57,051
a mark of Satan to these
idiots or whatever.
709
00:35:57,051 --> 00:35:58,915
They pick up whatever
they want to.
710
00:35:58,915 --> 00:36:01,607
And of course, I saw
the trial, the hearing,
711
00:36:01,607 --> 00:36:04,162
and then they were
talking [laughs]
712
00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,060
about the lyrics
from You Axed for It!
713
00:36:06,060 --> 00:36:07,958
And that became the
topic, I remember
714
00:36:07,958 --> 00:36:09,788
Frank Zappa saying
something like,
715
00:36:09,788 --> 00:36:11,376
I don't know where
you dug this band
716
00:36:11,376 --> 00:36:13,101
up but you had to dig deep.
717
00:36:13,101 --> 00:36:15,897
- Back then, nobody swore on TV.
718
00:36:15,897 --> 00:36:18,072
I don't think El Duce was at
the congressional hearings
719
00:36:18,072 --> 00:36:21,351
but he was on quite a
few television shows.
720
00:36:21,351 --> 00:36:22,559
[static crackles]
721
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,389
- And sometimes the
groupies don't put out,
722
00:36:24,389 --> 00:36:27,150
so you gotta rape
'em and sodomize 'em.
723
00:36:28,531 --> 00:36:30,429
That's my man, Sickie
Wifebeater on the guitar!
724
00:36:30,429 --> 00:36:33,191
Dr. Heathen Scum on the skins!
725
00:36:33,191 --> 00:36:36,987
And I'm GG Duce, king
of the black underworld!
726
00:36:38,057 --> 00:36:40,370
We ripped that
audience a new A-hole.
727
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:42,614
Sorry guys, I gotta
drive the soccer
728
00:36:42,614 --> 00:36:45,755
car pool in the morning,
I gotta skeeduttle.
729
00:36:45,755 --> 00:36:47,722
- What's the matter,
Duce, you didn't
730
00:36:47,722 --> 00:36:48,999
pull your prick out all night?
731
00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:50,553
- People didn't
even get the lyrics
732
00:36:50,553 --> 00:36:53,211
to "Screw and Piss Doggy Style".
733
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:54,177
[static crackles]
734
00:36:54,177 --> 00:36:57,180
[bomb rumbles]
735
00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:59,769
[upbeat music]
736
00:37:06,569 --> 00:37:10,055
- Do you realize, El
Duce, that your band,
737
00:37:10,055 --> 00:37:11,332
The Mentors--
738
00:37:11,332 --> 00:37:12,506
- [Audience Member]
That's right.
739
00:37:12,506 --> 00:37:15,198
- You have been called
the sleaze kings
740
00:37:15,198 --> 00:37:16,924
of rock, what do you
think about that?
741
00:37:16,924 --> 00:37:18,236
[El Duce cheers
and audience boos]
742
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,307
How do you describe your music?
743
00:37:20,307 --> 00:37:21,687
- Well, it's rape rock.
744
00:37:21,687 --> 00:37:22,930
- [Wally] Rape rock?
745
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:25,795
- Well, because
it's a man's rock.
746
00:37:25,795 --> 00:37:29,626
- But this idiot promotes
rape, can you believe that?
747
00:37:29,626 --> 00:37:30,593
[audience boos]
748
00:37:30,593 --> 00:37:31,835
Question there from the audience
749
00:37:31,835 --> 00:37:33,561
to see what we have to
ask this creature here.
750
00:37:33,561 --> 00:37:34,769
[audience chatters]
751
00:37:34,769 --> 00:37:36,081
- I want to know
what are you trying
752
00:37:36,081 --> 00:37:37,807
to contribute to society?
753
00:37:37,807 --> 00:37:40,706
- Well, I'll tell ya, ya
bunch of illiterate children.
754
00:37:41,535 --> 00:37:42,674
[audience grumbles]
755
00:37:42,674 --> 00:37:44,365
Children without a father.
756
00:37:44,365 --> 00:37:49,370
- El Duce has a kid
somewhere around, I dunno,
757
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,545
Modesto or one of these places.
758
00:37:51,545 --> 00:37:54,202
He got this letter
and it had a picture
759
00:37:54,202 --> 00:37:58,034
of this kid in it, and
she said it was his
760
00:37:58,034 --> 00:38:00,174
and there ain't no
reason to doubt it.
761
00:38:00,174 --> 00:38:02,763
El Duce, he used to
panhandle and tell
762
00:38:02,763 --> 00:38:05,283
jokes for a living
in between gigs.
763
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:14,015
- All right, come
on, let's do it,
764
00:38:14,015 --> 00:38:15,396
let's do it, who's
got a quarter,
765
00:38:15,396 --> 00:38:16,777
gimme a quarter, come
on you cheapskates.
766
00:38:16,777 --> 00:38:19,366
- All right, what's
long, black and stinks?
767
00:38:19,366 --> 00:38:20,228
- [Man] I don't know.
768
00:38:20,228 --> 00:38:21,437
- The welfare line.
769
00:38:21,437 --> 00:38:23,301
- He had a place to
stay in Riverside
770
00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:26,511
but he'd rather sleep on
the sidewalk in Hollywood.
771
00:38:26,511 --> 00:38:28,409
- Joke for a quarter.
772
00:38:28,409 --> 00:38:29,272
Joke for a quarter.
773
00:38:29,272 --> 00:38:30,100
Joke for a quarter.
774
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:31,274
Joke for a quarter.
775
00:38:31,274 --> 00:38:32,689
[girls squeal]
776
00:38:32,689 --> 00:38:35,313
[girls chatter]
777
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,004
Never mind.
778
00:38:37,004 --> 00:38:40,904
- He had a way of
not getting punched,
779
00:38:40,904 --> 00:38:42,665
but almost getting punched.
780
00:38:47,497 --> 00:38:48,740
[men laugh]
781
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:51,156
- Everyone has got a
lot of Mentor stories.
782
00:38:51,156 --> 00:38:53,469
- I'd been to
Mentor shows before,
783
00:38:53,469 --> 00:38:54,677
but I had never
really talked to him.
784
00:38:54,677 --> 00:38:56,334
He came backstage and
ate all our pizza.
785
00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:57,611
We were all there
and we heard him
786
00:38:57,611 --> 00:38:59,267
knocking on the door,
we heard the guy like,
787
00:38:59,267 --> 00:39:02,443
"It's okay, just tell
the boys El Duce's here."
788
00:39:02,443 --> 00:39:04,342
And we're like, oh yeah,
we gotta let him in.
789
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:05,757
We welcomed him with open arms.
790
00:39:05,757 --> 00:39:08,622
- One of our early
shows in LA area,
791
00:39:08,622 --> 00:39:10,589
El Duce showed up to say, hello,
792
00:39:10,589 --> 00:39:11,832
because he's buddies with us,
793
00:39:11,832 --> 00:39:14,179
the bouncers were being
real dicks that night,
794
00:39:14,179 --> 00:39:15,767
not letting anybody backstage,
795
00:39:15,767 --> 00:39:18,045
even our own guys,
all night long.
796
00:39:18,045 --> 00:39:21,876
Somehow, in the
confusion, El Duce,
797
00:39:21,876 --> 00:39:23,878
while they were kicking him out,
798
00:39:23,878 --> 00:39:26,778
makes it to the stage instead.
799
00:39:26,778 --> 00:39:29,228
And next thing
you know, El Duce,
800
00:39:29,228 --> 00:39:32,439
we're getting ready to go on,
El Duce somehow is onstage,
801
00:39:32,439 --> 00:39:34,717
and this street
urchin girl is sucking
802
00:39:34,717 --> 00:39:37,582
him off in front
of the whole crowd.
803
00:39:37,582 --> 00:39:39,204
This could have very easily been
804
00:39:39,204 --> 00:39:40,654
an all ages show or something.
805
00:39:40,654 --> 00:39:44,209
He also used to walk around
with this 12 inch double
806
00:39:44,209 --> 00:39:48,247
dildo hanging out of
his belt all the time.
807
00:39:48,247 --> 00:39:51,181
One time, he left it on our
Gwar bus so I sort of saved
808
00:39:51,181 --> 00:39:53,701
it for him and gave it back
to him next time I saw him.
809
00:39:53,701 --> 00:39:55,116
I definitely never touched it
810
00:39:55,116 --> 00:39:57,395
with more than two fingers,
I'll tell you that.
811
00:39:57,395 --> 00:39:59,707
[audience cheers]
812
00:39:59,707 --> 00:40:02,779
- [Announcer] Ladies and
gentlemen, The Mentors movie,
813
00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:10,373
starring ladies man,
El Duce on drums.
814
00:40:12,030 --> 00:40:14,550
- In 1987, the band
was offered a three
815
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:18,312
month US tour with Saint
Vitus, so I couldn't do that,
816
00:40:18,312 --> 00:40:20,003
couldn't get that
much time off work,
817
00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:21,419
and finally said,
no, you guys go ahead
818
00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,559
and do that without me,
so they got this guy
819
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,423
Ed Danky, who was some friend
820
00:40:25,423 --> 00:40:27,045
of Duce's somehow or the other
821
00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:29,668
who went by the name of
Papa Sneaky Sperm Shooter.
822
00:40:29,668 --> 00:40:32,050
- [El Duce] Papa
Sneaky Sperm Shooter
823
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:35,433
on bass, rockin'
right at you there.
824
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:36,882
[audience shouts]
825
00:40:36,882 --> 00:40:40,058
- Ed was a big drinker,
big druggie, heroin addict.
826
00:40:40,058 --> 00:40:42,888
El Duce is a major
league alcoholic.
827
00:40:42,888 --> 00:40:44,787
In this mix, Sickie,
who certainly would
828
00:40:44,787 --> 00:40:48,100
like to drink and
do other fun stuff,
829
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,517
was probably the
straightest of the bunch.
830
00:40:50,517 --> 00:40:52,277
- [El Duce] Sickie
Wifebeater on guitar.
831
00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:56,212
[guitar squeals]
832
00:40:58,835 --> 00:41:01,493
- In '87, when we went
on the big long ass,
833
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:03,426
motherfuckin', grueling
tour with them,
834
00:41:03,426 --> 00:41:05,152
Ed was playing bass, yeah.
835
00:41:05,152 --> 00:41:06,705
- What happened was that Sickie
836
00:41:08,224 --> 00:41:11,779
had ventured off
with some strippers
837
00:41:11,779 --> 00:41:12,608
and some cocaine.
838
00:41:12,608 --> 00:41:13,850
- Oh yeah!
839
00:41:13,850 --> 00:41:16,059
- So Danky moves up to
guitar and they asked me
840
00:41:16,059 --> 00:41:17,682
if I would play bass.
841
00:41:17,682 --> 00:41:19,891
Man, I concealed my
identity really good.
842
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:24,654
Wore gloves, long sleeves,
hood, changed my shoes.
843
00:41:24,654 --> 00:41:27,450
I didn't really want anyone
to know who I was that night.
844
00:41:27,450 --> 00:41:30,315
The first time The Mentors
had ever toured the US
845
00:41:30,315 --> 00:41:32,317
and they were getting
a pretty big guarantee,
846
00:41:32,317 --> 00:41:33,629
I think they were making a
thousand dollars a night.
847
00:41:33,629 --> 00:41:35,078
- Yeah, they were doing
really good, yeah.
848
00:41:35,078 --> 00:41:37,495
- They were like, a
complete mess, as soon as
849
00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:40,187
they'd get the money, they'd
immediately fight over it
850
00:41:40,187 --> 00:41:42,707
between band members and
pay their road crew nothin'
851
00:41:42,707 --> 00:41:45,399
and they had no concept
of budgeting money
852
00:41:45,399 --> 00:41:48,333
for the next show,
every night it was
853
00:41:48,333 --> 00:41:49,748
a free for all, it
was pretty nutty, man.
854
00:41:49,748 --> 00:41:51,232
They had the Circle
Jerk's old van
855
00:41:51,232 --> 00:41:52,751
completely covered
with graffiti.
856
00:41:52,751 --> 00:41:55,927
I played bass two shows,
and after those two shows,
857
00:41:55,927 --> 00:41:57,963
they paid me, I made more money
858
00:41:57,963 --> 00:42:00,725
than I did the whole Vitus tour.
859
00:42:00,725 --> 00:42:01,967
- Yeah, exactly [laughs].
860
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:06,282
- Somewhere along the
line, Ed met this chick
861
00:42:06,282 --> 00:42:09,388
who apparently
was a bass player.
862
00:42:09,388 --> 00:42:10,838
[audience shouts]
863
00:42:10,838 --> 00:42:12,426
- This guy, you're gonna
get your fuckin' ass kicked,
864
00:42:12,426 --> 00:42:14,739
because this is the
fucking Mentors!
865
00:42:14,739 --> 00:42:17,500
[crowd cheers]
866
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:19,433
- [Audience Member]
Show us your tits!
867
00:42:19,433 --> 00:42:22,678
- '88, '89, it was such a
spur of the moment thing.
868
00:42:22,678 --> 00:42:24,714
We're going on tour,
and you're our manager,
869
00:42:24,714 --> 00:42:27,234
and you're our new bass
player and let's go!
870
00:42:27,234 --> 00:42:30,030
Here we go, Eric
didn't want to go,
871
00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:31,997
he probably thought, this
is gonna be a giant mess
872
00:42:31,997 --> 00:42:33,551
and it was.
873
00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:36,450
Ed took over on guitar and
then they put me on bass.
874
00:42:37,796 --> 00:42:42,456
["Young, Fresh, Tight,
Sweet Stuff" by The Mentors]
875
00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:55,607
♪ Young, fresh,
tight, sweet stuff ♪
876
00:42:55,607 --> 00:42:58,886
♪ Young, fresh,
tight, sweet stuff ♪
877
00:42:58,886 --> 00:43:02,372
- Ed Danky, who had a practice
space at Lennon Studios,
878
00:43:02,372 --> 00:43:04,892
he would try to teach me some
of the songs before we left
879
00:43:04,892 --> 00:43:06,100
because we were
leaving in a day.
880
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:07,585
So I'm just hearing the music,
881
00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:10,104
I'm not hearing
any of the lyrics.
882
00:43:10,104 --> 00:43:11,727
I never had heard
them before that,
883
00:43:11,727 --> 00:43:13,349
at all, I knew
nothing about them.
884
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:14,799
And then when I found out that
885
00:43:14,799 --> 00:43:16,283
this is a rape
rock band [laughs],
886
00:43:16,283 --> 00:43:19,942
and I'm like, oh, holy
crap, I was kind of shocked
887
00:43:19,942 --> 00:43:21,978
but I was shocked in a good way.
888
00:43:21,978 --> 00:43:24,429
I felt safe because Horndogger
was there, Ed was there.
889
00:43:24,429 --> 00:43:26,293
Horndogger was our roadie.
890
00:43:26,293 --> 00:43:29,503
- Duce named me Horndogger,
because I'm a horny dog.
891
00:43:29,503 --> 00:43:31,298
[Lucinda] Horndogger's
playing bass,
892
00:43:31,298 --> 00:43:33,645
Eldon kicks him off the
stage, and then I come out.
893
00:43:33,645 --> 00:43:36,717
- Well I didn't really
go tour that much
894
00:43:36,717 --> 00:43:39,824
and they needed a bassist
and so stood in for him.
895
00:43:39,824 --> 00:43:41,998
- It's all part of the shtick.
896
00:43:41,998 --> 00:43:43,897
- [El Duce] You're too
drunk, get out of here.
897
00:43:43,897 --> 00:43:45,312
You can't play the songs
right, get out of here!
898
00:43:45,312 --> 00:43:46,209
- We're like, oh God,
you don't have a hood,
899
00:43:46,209 --> 00:43:47,141
what are we gonna do?
900
00:43:47,141 --> 00:43:48,591
- T-shirts and safety pins.
901
00:43:48,591 --> 00:43:49,523
- [Man] [laughs] Yeah.
902
00:43:49,523 --> 00:43:50,835
- Grabbed a black t-shirt
903
00:43:50,835 --> 00:43:52,491
and tucked the safety
pins in the back.
904
00:43:52,491 --> 00:43:54,079
- I want something hot from you.
905
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:56,495
- [El Duce] Bet you that
groupie with the hottest pair
906
00:43:56,495 --> 00:43:58,083
that sucked us off.
907
00:43:58,083 --> 00:44:03,123
She licked my ass and he
was pounding her butt hole.
908
00:44:03,848 --> 00:44:04,780
- It's Scumbitch.
909
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:07,092
[crowd cheers]
910
00:44:07,092 --> 00:44:11,303
- My Mentor name was
Scumbitch, sounded raunchy.
911
00:44:11,303 --> 00:44:12,546
- [Audience Member] Take
the shirt off, slut!
912
00:44:12,546 --> 00:44:15,860
- [El Duce] She's
a slave to mankind!
913
00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:18,276
[rock music]
914
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:25,559
♪ She was a little
girl on the street ♪
915
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:29,183
♪ Don't she look so sweet
916
00:44:29,183 --> 00:44:30,288
♪ I could get ya
917
00:44:30,288 --> 00:44:33,187
♪ In all of your holes
918
00:44:33,187 --> 00:44:36,674
- [Lucinda] It was just me and
Ed and Eldon until New York
919
00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:39,366
and then things kind of
blew up, we met Zippy.
920
00:44:39,366 --> 00:44:42,093
- Duce met me at a party
and dragged me on tour.
921
00:44:42,093 --> 00:44:44,785
I was all for it, because
it was so over the edge.
922
00:44:44,785 --> 00:44:46,511
Just spur of the moment.
923
00:44:46,511 --> 00:44:47,788
- It kind of fell apart.
924
00:44:47,788 --> 00:44:49,065
- [Zippy] Obviously
Sickie just didn't
925
00:44:49,065 --> 00:44:51,205
go on that tour 'cause
it was such a mess.
926
00:44:51,205 --> 00:44:54,795
- It was just a mess
as we got further out,
927
00:44:54,795 --> 00:44:56,728
it got worse and
worse, he was pullin'
928
00:44:56,728 --> 00:45:00,145
the gettin' so wasted that
he just wouldn't be there
929
00:45:00,145 --> 00:45:02,700
and we'd have to go find
him, the show'd be, okay,
930
00:45:03,908 --> 00:45:05,426
we were supposed to
start an hour ago
931
00:45:05,426 --> 00:45:09,707
and he's not here, we just
all were done at that point.
932
00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:11,605
Me and Ed were like,
we're out of here, see ya,
933
00:45:11,605 --> 00:45:14,297
we got on a bus and
came back to Portland.
934
00:45:15,713 --> 00:45:17,956
Ed, he had a bad drug problem
and he died of an overdose.
935
00:45:20,131 --> 00:45:24,169
Eldon was a real sweetheart
and also a real nightmare.
936
00:45:24,169 --> 00:45:26,585
I really don't know
if a lot people
937
00:45:26,585 --> 00:45:29,071
think he is really what he
would portray himself to be.
938
00:45:29,071 --> 00:45:31,004
To me he was like
a grandpa [laughs].
939
00:45:32,246 --> 00:45:33,903
He was always really protective
940
00:45:33,903 --> 00:45:35,836
of me on the road,
which was cool,
941
00:45:35,836 --> 00:45:38,943
then vise versa, too,
he'd get real drunk
942
00:45:38,943 --> 00:45:40,876
and not be able to
take care of himself,
943
00:45:40,876 --> 00:45:44,431
which was kind of sad and I
would make sure that he was okay
944
00:45:44,431 --> 00:45:47,848
and drag him on back,
we all did that.
945
00:45:47,848 --> 00:45:49,367
- I really liked
him, I really did.
946
00:45:49,367 --> 00:45:52,508
For all the bullshit and
the fun and the drinkin',
947
00:45:52,508 --> 00:45:55,062
and how sad it was
that he was such
948
00:45:55,062 --> 00:45:58,825
a fuckin' horrible alcoholic
at such a young age.
949
00:45:58,825 --> 00:46:01,448
[somber music]
950
00:46:06,004 --> 00:46:09,387
- He's El Duce, a
very heavy alcoholic.
951
00:46:09,387 --> 00:46:11,665
- He's already had
about 10 40 O's.
952
00:46:11,665 --> 00:46:14,185
- No, I need some more
saucy, I got some stashed.
953
00:46:14,185 --> 00:46:16,946
- [Sickie] He's got a
secret liquor stash.
954
00:46:16,946 --> 00:46:19,086
- When El went to rehab
and I picked him up,
955
00:46:19,086 --> 00:46:24,091
and on the way back, we
went right to a 7-Eleven
956
00:46:26,197 --> 00:46:28,406
and got a case of
beer and drank it.
957
00:46:30,788 --> 00:46:32,479
And the last couple of
times I had seen him,
958
00:46:32,479 --> 00:46:37,484
he was pretty fucked up, he
was just, every time I saw him,
959
00:46:38,692 --> 00:46:43,007
he was so drunk that he
couldn't play the drums.
960
00:46:43,007 --> 00:46:45,147
- The last tour they
did with the Duce,
961
00:46:45,147 --> 00:46:47,632
apparently Duce was
really fucked up.
962
00:46:47,632 --> 00:46:50,738
He was falling off the throne
a little bit too many times.
963
00:46:50,738 --> 00:46:52,810
Plus somebody scored
him a half pound
964
00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:56,814
of some really good killer,
fuckin' thunder fuck bud,
965
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:58,781
that he wasn't gonna let go of.
966
00:46:58,781 --> 00:47:01,439
Broy says, you gotta take
that fuckin' shit out of here.
967
00:47:01,439 --> 00:47:03,613
He runs the ship pretty tight.
968
00:47:03,613 --> 00:47:06,202
He's the one that
tells you what to do.
969
00:47:06,202 --> 00:47:07,825
- What the fuck is your, dammit!
970
00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,275
I've had it with your bullshit!
971
00:47:10,275 --> 00:47:11,104
[El Duce groans]
972
00:47:11,104 --> 00:47:12,277
- Don't fuck with me!
973
00:47:12,277 --> 00:47:13,209
- You fuckin' asshole [laughs].
974
00:47:13,209 --> 00:47:14,486
- You fuck with my program.
975
00:47:14,486 --> 00:47:16,385
I've had it with you
and your 40 o' bullshit.
976
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:19,215
- Broy called me up and he said,
977
00:47:19,215 --> 00:47:23,012
"Hey, Duce, he's is
getting too Duce'd."
978
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:25,118
[laughs] I knew what that meant.
979
00:47:25,118 --> 00:47:27,016
"We'll give you a
quarter of everything,
980
00:47:27,016 --> 00:47:29,950
"just you be the
drummer." I said, yesh,
981
00:47:29,950 --> 00:47:33,851
and I was with 'em for 18
years, somethin' like that.
982
00:47:34,886 --> 00:47:37,302
[rock music]
983
00:47:42,652 --> 00:47:45,069
I was already Moose
before I joined the band,
984
00:47:45,069 --> 00:47:47,795
but not Moosedick
and they all said,
985
00:47:47,795 --> 00:47:49,659
well, since you're
one the of the guys,
986
00:47:49,659 --> 00:47:52,248
you're gonna have to
come up with a name.
987
00:47:52,248 --> 00:47:54,768
I don't know if it's
bigger than whatever
988
00:47:54,768 --> 00:47:56,459
I do have to feed it breakfast
989
00:47:56,459 --> 00:47:58,013
in the morning though [laughs].
990
00:48:00,049 --> 00:48:02,465
[rock music]
991
00:48:24,315 --> 00:48:26,075
I didn't know how the
fans were gonna take it.
992
00:48:26,075 --> 00:48:29,596
Oh, Duce not on drum,
I mean, come on?
993
00:48:29,596 --> 00:48:31,080
You always have some
group of haters out there,
994
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,773
and he loved it, Duce had no
problem getting off the drums.
995
00:48:34,773 --> 00:48:36,741
He was just like,
oh, hallelujah.
996
00:48:36,741 --> 00:48:40,469
He had a problem falling into
my drums, which I didn't like.
997
00:48:40,469 --> 00:48:42,436
It happened every other night.
998
00:48:43,437 --> 00:48:45,543
I knew he was touching my drums,
999
00:48:45,543 --> 00:48:46,889
you could feel the
cymbals on his back,
1000
00:48:46,889 --> 00:48:48,753
so he knows where he's at.
1001
00:48:48,753 --> 00:48:51,514
It's like, hey, don't go
running into my drums.
1002
00:48:52,791 --> 00:48:54,793
It's all part of the
show, bullshit it is.
1003
00:48:54,793 --> 00:48:57,796
And I'd get him in that kidney
jab with the sticks [grunt],
1004
00:48:57,796 --> 00:48:59,660
he'd knock that
shit off right away.
1005
00:49:00,627 --> 00:49:03,388
[El Duce growls]
1006
00:49:09,463 --> 00:49:11,949
When he went out front and he
didn't have to play the drums,
1007
00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:14,468
he thought, oh this
is gonna be great,
1008
00:49:14,468 --> 00:49:17,161
I'm not gonna have to
have any responsibilities,
1009
00:49:17,161 --> 00:49:19,163
like I can just drink and
drug and do whatever I want
1010
00:49:19,163 --> 00:49:20,888
and it's just gonna
be hunky dory.
1011
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,615
It did push his alcoholism to a
1012
00:49:23,615 --> 00:49:26,101
higher degree, that's for sure.
1013
00:49:26,101 --> 00:49:29,345
- [Crowd] El Duce,
El Duce, El Duce!
1014
00:49:29,345 --> 00:49:31,278
- If it wasn't for
the alcoholism,
1015
00:49:31,278 --> 00:49:32,970
I don't think I would have
been in the band today.
1016
00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:35,731
During that time,
it was so extreme.
1017
00:49:35,731 --> 00:49:38,182
It was just like everything
and anything goes.
1018
00:49:38,182 --> 00:49:40,667
There's no rules on
anything, that was the
1019
00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:43,704
whole Hollywood thing, at
least in the music business.
1020
00:49:43,704 --> 00:49:46,431
There was definitely a lot
of drugs involved with it.
1021
00:49:47,605 --> 00:49:49,676
I'm glad I survived
it, you know [laughs]?
1022
00:49:49,676 --> 00:49:51,333
A lot of people I know are dead.
1023
00:49:52,748 --> 00:49:56,959
A lot of people,
it took their life.
1024
00:49:56,959 --> 00:49:59,513
[somber music]
1025
00:50:01,895 --> 00:50:04,208
[dog barks]
1026
00:50:05,657 --> 00:50:08,833
- I got introduced to
Nick and he asked me
1027
00:50:08,833 --> 00:50:11,249
to show where I could
find El, and I said,
1028
00:50:11,249 --> 00:50:13,113
well I can take you where El is.
1029
00:50:13,113 --> 00:50:14,183
There he is, El Duce.
1030
00:50:15,046 --> 00:50:16,116
- Argh!
1031
00:50:16,116 --> 00:50:17,635
Where's the booze?
1032
00:50:17,635 --> 00:50:19,361
- [Interviewer] You did some
deal with Courtney, right?
1033
00:50:19,361 --> 00:50:23,296
- Yeah, she offered me 50
grand to whack Kurt Cobain.
1034
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:25,677
- Yeah, I was tellin' you this--
1035
00:50:25,677 --> 00:50:27,093
- And I heard everything,
she pulled up in a limo
1036
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:31,718
and offered El the money,
so 50 G's is 50 G's.
1037
00:50:35,066 --> 00:50:37,448
- Hey, $50 grand does
a lot of talkin'.
1038
00:50:37,448 --> 00:50:39,243
- Some people say
that El Duce was
1039
00:50:39,243 --> 00:50:44,248
asked by Courtney Love
to murder Kurt Cobain.
1040
00:50:45,628 --> 00:50:47,044
He did take a lie
detector test and passed.
1041
00:50:49,253 --> 00:50:51,703
- It's Courtney Love's
dad on the phone.
1042
00:50:51,703 --> 00:50:55,328
Kurt's brother used to be our
guitar player's girlfriend.
1043
00:50:55,328 --> 00:50:58,400
That's how I met Courtney
in the first place.
1044
00:50:59,953 --> 00:51:01,679
[somber music]
1045
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:04,302
- El Duce died from
getting hit by a train.
1046
00:51:04,302 --> 00:51:06,960
His death happened
on April 19th.
1047
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,413
Some people said he was
killed, along with Kurt Cobain.
1048
00:51:11,413 --> 00:51:14,105
I was the one that dropped
him off when he got killed.
1049
00:51:16,694 --> 00:51:19,628
- He had gone off the day before
1050
00:51:19,628 --> 00:51:23,494
with a friend of ours,
who lived in California,
1051
00:51:23,494 --> 00:51:26,117
the legendary Allen Wrench.
1052
00:51:26,117 --> 00:51:27,187
- You guys know
who I am already.
1053
00:51:30,777 --> 00:51:33,090
There are a few
things that were kind
1054
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:37,473
of a problem that happened a
week or so before Duce died,
1055
00:51:37,473 --> 00:51:41,063
and then I got a call from, I
don't want to name their name,
1056
00:51:41,063 --> 00:51:43,859
but I get a call, Duce had just
1057
00:51:43,859 --> 00:51:45,964
done this documentary, this
Kurt Cobain documentary,
1058
00:51:45,964 --> 00:51:48,588
[somber music]
1059
00:51:48,588 --> 00:51:52,212
He's specifically naming
you in this documentary.
1060
00:51:52,212 --> 00:51:54,283
I'm like, oh, cool,
well you must be talking
1061
00:51:54,283 --> 00:51:55,836
about music or
something like that.
1062
00:51:55,836 --> 00:51:57,769
Like no, no, he's naming
you for some other things.
1063
00:51:57,769 --> 00:52:02,291
- But I know who whacked
him, I told Allen,
1064
00:52:02,291 --> 00:52:06,192
I mean, my friend [laughs],
I'll let the FBI catch him.
1065
00:52:10,955 --> 00:52:15,960
But [laughs], that's just the
way it's done, end of story.
1066
00:52:19,343 --> 00:52:20,930
- I'm like, that's
not gonna fly.
1067
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:22,449
That's not gonna fuckin' fly.
1068
00:52:22,449 --> 00:52:24,037
And it's just me
and him in there,
1069
00:52:24,037 --> 00:52:26,695
I'm like, dude, what
the fuck are you doing?
1070
00:52:26,695 --> 00:52:30,216
Why are you naming me, why
would you name me in this shit?
1071
00:52:30,216 --> 00:52:33,702
And he's like, oh you
know, tries to be funny
1072
00:52:33,702 --> 00:52:36,118
and play it off and doesn't
want to give an answer.
1073
00:52:36,118 --> 00:52:38,431
It's like we're both
drinking and all that shit.
1074
00:52:38,431 --> 00:52:41,158
- Buy me a beer, I might do
some more talkin' [laughs].
1075
00:52:43,677 --> 00:52:45,369
- It came time for me to leave,
1076
00:52:45,369 --> 00:52:48,441
and he needed something
from the store.
1077
00:52:49,821 --> 00:52:51,823
I'm like, well, I'm in a
hurry, I'm gonna drop you off,
1078
00:52:51,823 --> 00:52:55,310
I don't really have
time to wait for you,
1079
00:52:55,310 --> 00:52:57,864
so I'm gonna drop you off and
I'm gonna take off [sigh].
1080
00:52:59,935 --> 00:53:03,180
And that was the
last I saw of him.
1081
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:05,734
[somber music]
1082
00:53:13,397 --> 00:53:14,605
Why would I feel guilty?
1083
00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:25,409
Rumors such as what?
1084
00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:37,248
Okay, here's what's up,
we agreed there's not
1085
00:53:37,248 --> 00:53:38,732
gonna be any fuckin'
Cobain shit in this.
1086
00:53:39,664 --> 00:53:42,219
[somber music]
1087
00:53:55,439 --> 00:53:57,855
- We had played a
gig at Al's Bar.
1088
00:53:57,855 --> 00:54:02,204
El was totally straight
when he arrived
1089
00:54:02,204 --> 00:54:05,103
and then by the time,
an hour or so later,
1090
00:54:05,103 --> 00:54:07,658
we were supposed to go on,
he was totally shitfaced
1091
00:54:08,866 --> 00:54:12,663
and fell, it morphed
into him making fun
1092
00:54:14,285 --> 00:54:17,771
of my ex-girlfriend, so then
I was telling him to shut up
1093
00:54:17,771 --> 00:54:19,877
and it just kind of
ended on a sour note.
1094
00:54:20,981 --> 00:54:25,262
So it's been a
major weird feeling
1095
00:54:28,092 --> 00:54:32,683
for me just to have
everything end like that.
1096
00:54:32,683 --> 00:54:34,167
- When I woke up Sunday morning,
1097
00:54:34,167 --> 00:54:35,617
and was just fiddling
around out in the studio,
1098
00:54:35,617 --> 00:54:38,275
and some of the Karaoke
King tapes that we recorded,
1099
00:54:39,414 --> 00:54:42,486
and I see this car
pull up on the outside
1100
00:54:42,486 --> 00:54:46,800
of my property, a kind
of official looking car,
1101
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,562
and this lady comes out
and starts walking up.
1102
00:54:49,562 --> 00:54:51,288
And I say, hey can I help you?
1103
00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:53,220
And then she shows
me this badge.
1104
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:55,326
She says, "Do you
know Eldon Hoke?"
1105
00:54:55,326 --> 00:54:56,948
"Yeah, I know him,"
1106
00:54:56,948 --> 00:54:59,019
and she goes, "Does
he live here?"
1107
00:54:59,019 --> 00:55:01,643
I presumed it was a
cop looking for him,
1108
00:55:01,643 --> 00:55:03,369
I thought they
were gonna come in
1109
00:55:03,369 --> 00:55:04,956
and search the house
looking for him,
1110
00:55:04,956 --> 00:55:06,786
which I didn't want
at all, and so I said,
1111
00:55:06,786 --> 00:55:08,926
well no, he doesn't
really live here.
1112
00:55:10,307 --> 00:55:12,723
She goes, "Do you
know how to get
1113
00:55:12,723 --> 00:55:14,103
"in touch with his family?"
1114
00:55:14,103 --> 00:55:15,622
So I started, oh
something's going on here.
1115
00:55:15,622 --> 00:55:19,005
And then she tells me he's
just been hit by a train.
1116
00:55:19,005 --> 00:55:21,594
[somber music]
1117
00:55:23,009 --> 00:55:27,841
And that kind of really, I
wasn't expecting to hear that,
1118
00:55:27,841 --> 00:55:31,258
especially on Sunday morning,
and it kind of flipped me out.
1119
00:55:31,258 --> 00:55:33,330
So she goes, "Well, how do we
get in touch with his family?"
1120
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,055
And I had all their
numbers, so I went
1121
00:55:35,055 --> 00:55:36,885
in the house to get
it but I was just
1122
00:55:36,885 --> 00:55:41,441
so flipped out by it, I
couldn't even really think.
1123
00:55:41,441 --> 00:55:43,961
So I went out and
told them, listen,
1124
00:55:43,961 --> 00:55:46,515
I have to get myself
together here, I can't,
1125
00:55:46,515 --> 00:55:48,828
I'm gonna have to call
you back with a number,
1126
00:55:50,036 --> 00:55:52,383
which I did, but then
I called his sister
1127
00:55:52,383 --> 00:55:56,353
and about an hour later after
I got my composure together,
1128
00:55:57,492 --> 00:55:58,251
I called his sister
and let her know.
1129
00:56:00,287 --> 00:56:03,049
- I didn't want to know
any of the details.
1130
00:56:03,049 --> 00:56:05,534
It was very difficult,
as you can imagine.
1131
00:56:05,534 --> 00:56:08,882
- Broy call me up, I
think it was the next day
1132
00:56:08,882 --> 00:56:13,370
or the day after, said
he had some bad news,
1133
00:56:14,716 --> 00:56:17,960
that El got hit by a
train, it was just, yeah,
1134
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,965
I was totally in shock,
still haven't processed it.
1135
00:56:24,691 --> 00:56:27,280
[somber music]
1136
00:56:36,807 --> 00:56:39,119
[somber music]
1137
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:42,053
- He enjoyed life so
much, he was able to do
1138
00:56:42,053 --> 00:56:43,986
what he wanted to do,
that's most important,
1139
00:56:43,986 --> 00:56:47,265
that people can do
what they want to do
1140
00:56:47,265 --> 00:56:51,408
and they're more successful
if they can live their dreams
1141
00:56:51,408 --> 00:56:53,202
and he was able
to live his dream.
1142
00:56:55,066 --> 00:56:57,517
I asked him, aren't you
afraid up there on the stage?
1143
00:56:57,517 --> 00:57:00,002
and he says, "Oh no, it
was fun, nothin' to it."
1144
00:57:00,002 --> 00:57:02,488
He just made up
stories and entertained
1145
00:57:02,488 --> 00:57:05,145
the audience, ab-lib like that.
1146
00:57:05,145 --> 00:57:07,424
I miss all that entertainment.
1147
00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:10,012
[somber music]
1148
00:57:18,538 --> 00:57:21,161
- Well, as far as the
Courtney Love thing,
1149
00:57:21,161 --> 00:57:26,097
you can never trust a woman
so anything's possible
1150
00:57:26,097 --> 00:57:27,651
as far as that goes, who knows?
1151
00:57:28,859 --> 00:57:30,895
Could be Jackie O.
had Kennedy killed
1152
00:57:33,795 --> 00:57:35,555
or was fuckin' the
person that did.
1153
00:57:38,765 --> 00:57:40,767
- I think Courtney's
gotten a bad rap,
1154
00:57:40,767 --> 00:57:43,287
I don't think she's
some crazy mastermind,
1155
00:57:43,287 --> 00:57:45,427
trying to destroy things,
I think the reality
1156
00:57:45,427 --> 00:57:47,671
is even scarier
than that [laughs].
1157
00:57:47,671 --> 00:57:49,466
You know, stripper
chick with some dope,
1158
00:57:49,466 --> 00:57:51,882
how she can bring
down an empire.
1159
00:57:54,505 --> 00:57:55,437
- You never know, stranger
things have happened.
1160
00:57:59,579 --> 00:58:03,618
- I remember we had a show
to do in LA a week later.
1161
00:58:03,618 --> 00:58:06,103
- We went down there and did it.
1162
00:58:06,103 --> 00:58:11,108
And then I don't know if we've
ever really talked about it.
1163
00:58:14,421 --> 00:58:16,596
I don't know if we ever
talk about anything.
1164
00:58:19,668 --> 00:58:23,465
We just kept on playing,
up times, down times.
1165
00:58:27,573 --> 00:58:32,060
- Bad, bad, that was, I
think, the worst decision
1166
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:33,510
I'd ever made in The Mentors,
1167
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:35,097
is playing the
week after he died
1168
00:58:35,097 --> 00:58:38,825
because nobody knew it yet,
and so we're at this club,
1169
00:58:38,825 --> 00:58:40,378
and people are going,
where's the Duce,
1170
00:58:40,378 --> 00:58:42,346
'cause it was often
that he'd come late,
1171
00:58:42,346 --> 00:58:45,798
we'd do two songs and he comes
pouring himself on stage.
1172
00:58:45,798 --> 00:58:48,076
But two or three
times, you get people,
1173
00:58:48,076 --> 00:58:50,803
where's the Duce And
Sickie would just,
1174
00:58:50,803 --> 00:58:53,530
he's fuckin', he
got hit by a train,
1175
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:54,979
he ain't comin' down tonight.
1176
00:58:54,979 --> 00:58:57,464
And I could see what was
happening, I was going, uh-oh.
1177
00:58:57,464 --> 00:59:00,053
Oh man, all of a sudden
you start hearin' people
1178
00:59:00,053 --> 00:59:03,609
start crying in the crowd,
then you get the opportunist,
1179
00:59:03,609 --> 00:59:05,680
the guys that are
right on the money.
1180
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,957
They come up already
up on stage going,
1181
00:59:06,957 --> 00:59:08,821
hey man, do you need a
lead singer [laughs]?
1182
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:10,892
Yeah, right off
the bat, just like,
1183
00:59:10,892 --> 00:59:12,100
fuck off, get out of here.
1184
00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,033
- I kind of wanted
to keep going,
1185
00:59:14,033 --> 00:59:16,242
but the other two guys
in the band at the time,
1186
00:59:16,242 --> 00:59:17,726
the other drummer we had,
we called him Moosedick,
1187
00:59:17,726 --> 00:59:21,109
and Sickie, they both, it took
the wind out of their sails
1188
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:22,973
and they weren't
really so interested.
1189
00:59:22,973 --> 00:59:25,562
There was still a big
fan demand for it,
1190
00:59:25,562 --> 00:59:28,426
but we just, we didn't really
have anything better to do.
1191
00:59:28,426 --> 00:59:31,291
- Dr. Heathen Scum, he's
the brains of the outfit.
1192
00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:34,743
Suit and tie guy by day
and a rape rocker by night.
1193
00:59:34,743 --> 00:59:38,229
He says what goes and what
does not go in the band.
1194
00:59:38,229 --> 00:59:40,059
You don't go against him,
Sickie would torture chicks
1195
00:59:40,059 --> 00:59:43,476
and Sickie J would fuck
chicks and [laughs].
1196
00:59:43,476 --> 00:59:45,202
- My buddy handed me
this CD, never heard
1197
00:59:45,202 --> 00:59:48,067
of The Mentors before,
and I remember hearing
1198
00:59:48,067 --> 00:59:49,965
"Sleep Bandits", and
"Sandwich of Love",
1199
00:59:49,965 --> 00:59:51,898
and I'm like, man, these
songs are really fucked up
1200
00:59:51,898 --> 00:59:54,418
[laughs], I couldn't
wait to play it.
1201
00:59:54,418 --> 00:59:56,834
I naturally just went home
and learned all those songs
1202
00:59:56,834 --> 01:00:00,251
and a week later, we
were playing a gig
1203
01:00:00,251 --> 01:00:02,184
as the Northwest Breeders,
and we get this call
1204
01:00:02,184 --> 01:00:05,118
from this guy named
Gumby, he says,
1205
01:00:05,118 --> 01:00:08,950
"I know Sickie
Wifebeater, Sickie is
here with me right now.
1206
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:13,402
"We see you have a Northwest
Breeders show coming up.
1207
01:00:13,402 --> 01:00:16,026
"We want to know what
this is all about."
1208
01:00:16,026 --> 01:00:19,719
They come to the gig and
Sickie had just gotten a DUI,
1209
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:23,689
and I had just gotten a DUI,
we hit it off instantly.
1210
01:00:23,689 --> 01:00:26,692
We were talking about our bust,
it just morphed from there.
1211
01:00:26,692 --> 01:00:29,142
[rock music]
1212
01:00:31,351 --> 01:00:33,422
We had a lot of good
times partying--
1213
01:00:33,422 --> 01:00:34,665
- Oh, yeah.
1214
01:00:34,665 --> 01:00:36,805
- And then sometimes
the party kept going
1215
01:00:36,805 --> 01:00:39,601
and going and going
and going and going.
1216
01:00:39,601 --> 01:00:41,223
Every night we hung
out we partied.
1217
01:00:41,223 --> 01:00:42,777
- How many ladies can agree
1218
01:00:42,777 --> 01:00:44,606
that size matters
[speaks gibberish]?
1219
01:00:45,538 --> 01:00:46,815
- There was no off limits.
1220
01:00:46,815 --> 01:00:47,989
Duce?
1221
01:00:47,989 --> 01:00:48,783
- Yesh?
1222
01:00:49,956 --> 01:00:52,303
- It was just a total
debaucherous zone.
1223
01:00:52,303 --> 01:00:54,064
- Homosexuality
is good as long as
1224
01:00:54,064 --> 01:00:56,342
it's two hot chicks making out.
1225
01:00:56,342 --> 01:00:57,170
[audience cheers]
1226
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:59,172
[Jeff laughs]
1227
01:00:59,172 --> 01:01:01,450
- Glad to be here, if
anybody has any drugs,
1228
01:01:01,450 --> 01:01:05,075
if you could give them to us,
we'd appreciate that a lot.
1229
01:01:05,075 --> 01:01:05,903
- Class A coke, please.
1230
01:01:05,903 --> 01:01:07,042
- [Jeff] Yes.
1231
01:01:07,042 --> 01:01:08,319
[audience laughs]
1232
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:11,012
♪ I've got a great
big fucking prick ♪
1233
01:01:11,012 --> 01:01:15,464
♪ Suck that ass bitch
and suck my dick ♪
1234
01:01:15,464 --> 01:01:20,090
- [Jeff] In 2001, it was
myself, Heathen Scum, Moosedick
1235
01:01:20,090 --> 01:01:22,230
and Sickie, and we brought this
1236
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:24,991
guy named El Rapo
into the picture.
1237
01:01:25,958 --> 01:01:27,407
- Introduce Ducey Jr.
1238
01:01:27,407 --> 01:01:30,479
- Yeah you know you
bitches just wait and see.
1239
01:01:30,479 --> 01:01:32,930
- We brought along El Rapo
for the ride for a couple
1240
01:01:32,930 --> 01:01:34,311
of years, we recorded
a record with him,
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01:01:34,311 --> 01:01:35,899
Over the Top.
1242
01:01:35,899 --> 01:01:38,349
[rock music]
1243
01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:47,876
And he was just too far gone.
1244
01:01:47,876 --> 01:01:51,708
He ended up missing a flight
we had booked for him.
1245
01:01:51,708 --> 01:01:54,641
So enough is enough,
you miss your flight.
1246
01:01:54,641 --> 01:01:58,853
So when Mark was first
introduced to the band,
1247
01:01:58,853 --> 01:02:00,924
I was taking a back
seat in Mentors,
1248
01:02:00,924 --> 01:02:02,546
he was taking a
front seat in Mentors
1249
01:02:02,546 --> 01:02:04,030
and so the revolving door kind
1250
01:02:04,030 --> 01:02:06,826
of kicked me in the ass
on the way out, but--
1251
01:02:06,826 --> 01:02:08,034
- I have no problem with
Heathen Scum singing,
1252
01:02:08,034 --> 01:02:11,797
but the classic Mentors
is drummer singing,
1253
01:02:11,797 --> 01:02:14,213
two guys rockin' up
front, and I started
1254
01:02:14,213 --> 01:02:17,561
a Mentors knock off band
called, The Mantors.
1255
01:02:17,561 --> 01:02:19,977
I go, I'm gonna start
my own Mentors band
1256
01:02:19,977 --> 01:02:22,428
called the Mantors,
just so the fact
1257
01:02:22,428 --> 01:02:24,016
that I can make
a big enough bang
1258
01:02:24,016 --> 01:02:26,363
so I can be the
singer/drummer for The Mentors
1259
01:02:27,674 --> 01:02:28,814
and that's the sole
reason I did it.
1260
01:02:28,814 --> 01:02:30,988
- Mark had the
pleasure of driving
1261
01:02:30,988 --> 01:02:33,197
my old lady to the
methadone clinic,
1262
01:02:33,197 --> 01:02:34,958
I think old Mad Dog was trying
1263
01:02:34,958 --> 01:02:36,649
to slip her a
roofie or something
1264
01:02:36,649 --> 01:02:39,790
and she caught wind of that
and jumped out of the car,
1265
01:02:39,790 --> 01:02:41,930
with the car running and
going 40 miles an hour,
1266
01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:44,519
she hit the concrete
rolling, that was the first
1267
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:49,075
sign that Mark Duce was turning
into a scandalous scumbag.
1268
01:02:51,388 --> 01:02:53,355
- Mad Dog, he just
kind of weaseled
1269
01:02:53,355 --> 01:02:54,667
his way in there [laughs].
1270
01:02:55,806 --> 01:02:57,774
- I just stepped right in.
1271
01:02:57,774 --> 01:03:00,259
- I wasn't planning
on quitting the band.
1272
01:03:00,259 --> 01:03:01,916
I didn't want to quit the
band, it was my favorite band.
1273
01:03:01,916 --> 01:03:04,470
I'd be in there today,
Sickie J calls me up,
1274
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:06,679
he says, "Hey, have you heard
1275
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,750
"the new album we're not on?"
1276
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:10,303
And I'm going, what?
1277
01:03:11,166 --> 01:03:13,582
[rock music]
1278
01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:34,983
♪ Here's a story
1279
01:03:34,983 --> 01:03:37,606
♪ About the finer
things in life ♪
1280
01:03:37,606 --> 01:03:39,539
♪ Jacking at the strip club
1281
01:03:39,539 --> 01:03:43,267
♪ We don't have to think twice
1282
01:03:43,267 --> 01:03:45,097
♪ Strip pole yeah
1283
01:03:45,097 --> 01:03:47,927
♪ Raise your glass bitch
1284
01:03:47,927 --> 01:03:50,240
♪ Take a drink alright
1285
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,277
♪ Now bring out that ass
1286
01:03:53,277 --> 01:03:54,727
♪ Big fake titties
1287
01:03:54,727 --> 01:03:57,972
♪ Everyday
1288
01:03:57,972 --> 01:03:59,145
♪ Silicone sluts
1289
01:03:59,145 --> 01:04:02,183
♪ Take my money away
1290
01:04:02,183 --> 01:04:04,150
♪ When Nasty Nikki
1291
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:07,119
♪ Came struttin' on the stage
1292
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,086
♪ With a wink in her eye
1293
01:04:09,086 --> 01:04:13,884
♪ And I knew I
was gettin' laid ♪
1294
01:04:13,884 --> 01:04:16,853
- [Man] This is your
captain, raise your seats
1295
01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:20,028
to the upright position, get
your machine gun and lets go.
1296
01:04:20,028 --> 01:04:24,377
Whore airlines, baby, woohoo,
ride 'em silver, yeah.
1297
01:04:30,901 --> 01:04:31,937
♪ Let's go
1298
01:04:31,937 --> 01:04:33,317
♪ Hey hey hey hey
1299
01:04:33,317 --> 01:04:35,181
♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo
hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪
1300
01:04:35,181 --> 01:04:38,426
♪ Hey hey hey hey
hey hey hey hey ♪
1301
01:04:38,426 --> 01:04:40,566
♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo
hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪
1302
01:04:40,566 --> 01:04:41,774
♪ Stand up and salute
1303
01:04:41,774 --> 01:04:43,741
♪ It's the American way
1304
01:04:43,741 --> 01:04:45,019
♪ Listen you, fags
1305
01:04:45,019 --> 01:04:46,503
♪ To what I say
1306
01:04:46,503 --> 01:04:47,469
♪ I keep and bear arms
1307
01:04:47,469 --> 01:04:49,092
♪ To shoot and kill gays
1308
01:04:49,092 --> 01:04:50,507
♪ I'm card carrying member
1309
01:04:50,507 --> 01:04:51,784
♪ Of the NRA
1310
01:04:51,784 --> 01:04:52,889
♪ It's a faggot hunt
1311
01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:54,511
♪ It's time to raise some hell
1312
01:04:54,511 --> 01:04:55,857
♪ Make peace with your God
1313
01:04:55,857 --> 01:04:57,169
♪ 'Cause it's time
to say farewell ♪
1314
01:04:57,169 --> 01:04:59,102
♪ Now it's time to
do what is right ♪
1315
01:04:59,102 --> 01:05:00,862
♪ We're goin' out on the town
1316
01:05:00,862 --> 01:05:02,277
♪ Killing faggots tonight
1317
01:05:02,277 --> 01:05:05,522
♪ Hey hey hey hey
hey hey hey hey ♪
1318
01:05:05,522 --> 01:05:08,421
♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo
hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪
1319
01:05:08,421 --> 01:05:10,941
♪ Hey hey hey hey
hey hey hey hey ♪
1320
01:05:10,941 --> 01:05:14,082
♪ Hoo hoo hoo hoo
hoo hoo hoo hoo ♪
1321
01:05:14,082 --> 01:05:16,913
[audience cheers]
1322
01:05:19,846 --> 01:05:22,021
- It was everything I
love all in one band.
1323
01:05:22,021 --> 01:05:24,713
Plus with a look like
KISS with the hoods.
1324
01:05:24,713 --> 01:05:26,853
- [GPS] Turn right on
Roosevelt Boulevard.
1325
01:05:27,958 --> 01:05:29,718
- [Sickie] Yeah,
go to the right.
1326
01:05:29,718 --> 01:05:32,238
- I don't know what the
fuck is going on here.
1327
01:05:32,238 --> 01:05:35,000
- Yeah that figures,
that figures.
1328
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,242
[people laugh]
1329
01:05:36,242 --> 01:05:37,485
- No, Sickie is,
he won't shut up.
1330
01:05:38,417 --> 01:05:41,385
- What, I won't shut up, wow.
1331
01:05:41,385 --> 01:05:43,422
[people laugh]
1332
01:05:43,422 --> 01:05:46,943
- Uh-oh, uh-oh, oh no, no
job, no family, no pets,
1333
01:05:49,773 --> 01:05:54,536
no plants, no greenery,
nothin' to water,
1334
01:05:55,917 --> 01:05:58,126
except to take a shower
[imitates flatulance], John--
1335
01:06:01,578 --> 01:06:03,166
- My name is Vejo Malo.
1336
01:06:03,166 --> 01:06:05,616
- Yeah, satanic,
straightedge vegan.
1337
01:06:05,616 --> 01:06:08,067
- Hail, Satan.
- Osama Bin John.
1338
01:06:08,067 --> 01:06:10,897
- Fuck you with
the Osama bullshit.
1339
01:06:10,897 --> 01:06:11,829
Yeah, I'm talkin'
to you, Sickie.
1340
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:14,453
- We've used him before when our
1341
01:06:14,453 --> 01:06:17,007
fat drummer couldn't make it.
1342
01:06:17,007 --> 01:06:19,354
and now fatso's completely out.
1343
01:06:19,354 --> 01:06:22,979
Fat people tend to
have a strange smell.
1344
01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:24,601
Well, it would have been nicer
1345
01:06:24,601 --> 01:06:28,329
to boot him out but he resigned.
1346
01:06:28,329 --> 01:06:30,745
[rock music]
1347
01:06:41,583 --> 01:06:43,240
- It's Cousin Fister
here, alley-oop,
1348
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:44,931
right up the shoot.
1349
01:06:44,931 --> 01:06:46,588
I play rhythm guitar.
1350
01:06:46,588 --> 01:06:48,245
- Hang on a second,
gotta check our tuning.
1351
01:06:48,245 --> 01:06:49,246
- Totally pro.
- Yeah.
1352
01:06:49,246 --> 01:06:50,972
- Cousin Fister,
this is actually
1353
01:06:50,972 --> 01:06:55,597
my first experience playing
in the same band with him
1354
01:06:56,736 --> 01:06:58,704
and it worked out,
he's a good humor guy.
1355
01:06:58,704 --> 01:07:03,157
I'm the bad humor guy,
so he elevated my mood
1356
01:07:03,157 --> 01:07:06,125
into more of a positive realm.
1357
01:07:06,125 --> 01:07:07,644
[rock music]
1358
01:07:07,644 --> 01:07:11,303
- Sickie is one of the all
time, greatest guitarists ever.
1359
01:07:11,303 --> 01:07:14,202
No bullshit, we
work great together.
1360
01:07:14,202 --> 01:07:16,963
The best thing to do is sit
back and let him do his thing.
1361
01:07:16,963 --> 01:07:19,104
- [Announcer] The man,
the myth, the legend,
1362
01:07:19,104 --> 01:07:20,174
Sickie Wifebeater
on lead guitar.
1363
01:07:20,174 --> 01:07:21,830
[crowd cheers]
1364
01:07:21,830 --> 01:07:24,247
[rock music]
1365
01:07:33,532 --> 01:07:35,361
- Rocking to the masses.
1366
01:07:35,361 --> 01:07:37,225
- What do we do men, weed.
1367
01:07:38,571 --> 01:07:41,022
[rock music]
1368
01:08:11,742 --> 01:08:14,297
[crowd cheers]
1369
01:08:16,126 --> 01:08:18,577
[rock music]
1370
01:08:33,799 --> 01:08:37,837
- Grace, disgrace,
okay, I'm ready.
1371
01:08:39,322 --> 01:08:40,909
♪ Oh yeah
1372
01:08:40,909 --> 01:08:42,911
♪ Uh-huh
1373
01:08:42,911 --> 01:08:44,258
- [Sickie] Beer number five.
1374
01:08:45,466 --> 01:08:47,778
♪ I'm hot, horny
and fuckin' wasted ♪
1375
01:08:47,778 --> 01:08:50,022
♪ And you have the
tits of a cow ♪
1376
01:08:50,022 --> 01:08:52,231
Solo by solo, kind of
like we did yesterday?
1377
01:08:53,232 --> 01:08:56,132
[guitar screeches]
1378
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,452
That's what I fuckin'
said, lets strip.
1379
01:09:06,452 --> 01:09:10,629
♪ Yes I know how to rock
1380
01:09:10,629 --> 01:09:14,219
♪ And I know how to shock
1381
01:09:14,219 --> 01:09:19,224
♪ Why don't you take
off your skirt ♪
1382
01:09:20,328 --> 01:09:22,641
♪ Take off your
panties, bra and shirt ♪
1383
01:09:22,641 --> 01:09:27,646
♪ I ain't gonna ask you twice
1384
01:09:28,543 --> 01:09:31,753
♪ I don't always play so nice
1385
01:09:31,753 --> 01:09:32,754
♪ Put your ass
1386
01:09:32,754 --> 01:09:34,722
♪ Right on my snoz
1387
01:09:34,722 --> 01:09:36,689
♪ Let's strip now
1388
01:09:36,689 --> 01:09:40,383
♪ Fuckin' naked and
jump into the bed ♪
1389
01:09:40,383 --> 01:09:45,388
♪ I'm the rebel with a
perverted cause, yesha ♪
1390
01:09:46,734 --> 01:09:48,391
♪ Let's strip now
1391
01:09:48,391 --> 01:09:49,633
♪ Buck naked
1392
01:09:49,633 --> 01:09:51,359
♪ That's what I fuckin' said
1393
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:56,261
["Rockin' and Maxin'"
by Dr. Heathen Scum]
1394
01:10:52,696 --> 01:10:56,942
[man gags and
speaks incoherently]
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