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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:58,997 --> 00:02:02,277 My family lived in Arnold Grove in the 1940s. 2 00:02:03,597 --> 00:02:05,837 The Liverpool Blitz was terrifying, 3 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:07,757 and I will never forget as a child 4 00:02:07,837 --> 00:02:10,437 the drone of sirens and approaching bombers. 5 00:02:12,197 --> 00:02:14,397 The Grove's a really neighbourly place 6 00:02:14,477 --> 00:02:16,837 and we were always in and out of each other's homes. 7 00:02:18,557 --> 00:02:20,517 What was strange for me was the music 8 00:02:20,597 --> 00:02:22,357 coming out of the house at number 12, 9 00:02:23,717 --> 00:02:25,117 the home with the Harrison family. 10 00:02:30,357 --> 00:02:33,277 George's mother Louise loved to listen to Indian music 11 00:02:33,357 --> 00:02:34,357 on the radio. 12 00:02:35,757 --> 00:02:37,637 I'm told that it helped to keep her calm 13 00:02:37,717 --> 00:02:39,357 during her pregnancy. 14 00:02:48,477 --> 00:02:51,797 When I first heard Indian music, 15 00:02:51,877 --> 00:02:55,797 I just couldn't really believe that it was so, so great. 16 00:02:55,877 --> 00:02:58,837 And the more I heard of it, the more I liked it, 17 00:02:58,917 --> 00:03:02,037 and it just got bigger and bigger, like a snowball. 18 00:03:16,797 --> 00:03:18,637 One day, the telephone rang 19 00:03:18,717 --> 00:03:20,717 and my father always answered it. 20 00:03:20,797 --> 00:03:23,677 He had a particular sort of authentic Indian accent. 21 00:03:23,757 --> 00:03:25,597 His Indian accent had remained unchanged 22 00:03:25,677 --> 00:03:27,277 in all the 40 years he'd been here, 23 00:03:27,357 --> 00:03:28,877 and he was shouting down the telephone, 24 00:03:28,957 --> 00:03:31,677 "Ringo who, Ringo who?" 25 00:03:31,757 --> 00:03:33,717 And apparently it was because Ringo 26 00:03:33,797 --> 00:03:36,637 was on the other end of the line asking my father 27 00:03:36,717 --> 00:03:38,437 whether he had a spare sitar string. 28 00:03:41,077 --> 00:03:42,957 The return of the heroes to their native land. 29 00:03:43,037 --> 00:03:44,717 They conquered the colony. 30 00:03:46,277 --> 00:03:48,517 The Beatles, who originated as a small-time act 31 00:03:48,597 --> 00:03:50,157 out of Liverpool, 32 00:03:50,237 --> 00:03:52,597 now have no rivals as the kingpins of the teenage set. 33 00:03:55,637 --> 00:03:57,093 The group had certainly turned Liverpool 34 00:03:57,117 --> 00:03:58,957 into Britain's answer to any pop trends 35 00:03:59,037 --> 00:04:00,157 from across the Atlantic. 36 00:04:03,037 --> 00:04:04,717 On every side there is hero worship 37 00:04:04,797 --> 00:04:07,717 that recall the heydays of Elvis Presley and Frank Sinatra. 38 00:04:09,437 --> 00:04:11,317 Beatlemania has ceased to be a phenomenon 39 00:04:11,397 --> 00:04:13,517 and seems to have become a way of life. 40 00:04:16,517 --> 00:04:18,077 My father had never heard of The Beatles 41 00:04:18,117 --> 00:04:21,717 so he knew nothing about anything European or popular. 42 00:04:21,797 --> 00:04:24,437 But what happened was that they'd broken a sitar string 43 00:04:24,517 --> 00:04:26,237 while George was recording "Norwegian Wood" 44 00:04:26,317 --> 00:04:27,637 in Abbey Road Studio. 45 00:04:27,717 --> 00:04:29,477 EMI knew my father 46 00:04:29,557 --> 00:04:32,037 because he was often the person they came to 47 00:04:32,117 --> 00:04:33,677 when they required a group of musicians. 48 00:04:33,717 --> 00:04:35,517 So, when the string broke, 49 00:04:35,597 --> 00:04:37,797 they found my father and he did have one, amazingly, 50 00:04:37,877 --> 00:04:40,597 he did have a set of sitar strings. 51 00:04:45,037 --> 00:04:47,397 So the whole family got in the tiny little car 52 00:04:47,477 --> 00:04:50,837 and they all drove to carry one string to Abbey Road 53 00:04:50,917 --> 00:04:52,397 and there they handed it over 54 00:04:52,477 --> 00:04:53,957 and they watched them recording. 55 00:04:56,157 --> 00:04:59,157 It started with the Indian music. 56 00:04:59,237 --> 00:05:03,157 I like so many Indian instruments, but mainly sitar. 57 00:05:04,477 --> 00:05:07,117 I'd used a little sitar on our records. 58 00:05:11,437 --> 00:05:14,717 The Beatles had already discovered Indian music, 59 00:05:14,797 --> 00:05:16,957 I think when they were making "Help!" 60 00:05:17,037 --> 00:05:18,277 Which is, of course, 61 00:05:18,357 --> 00:05:21,397 the story of a mystic Eastern religious group, 62 00:05:21,477 --> 00:05:23,677 and they are after Ringo Starr's ring. 63 00:05:23,757 --> 00:05:24,957 So they'd already discovered, 64 00:05:25,037 --> 00:05:26,277 and there's that famous scene 65 00:05:26,357 --> 00:05:28,597 about them going into a restaurant. 66 00:05:30,037 --> 00:05:32,517 On the set of how a sitar was used 67 00:05:32,597 --> 00:05:34,957 in a sort of little group that's playing in the restaurant, 68 00:05:35,037 --> 00:05:37,597 George picked it up and was playing with it 69 00:05:37,677 --> 00:05:42,157 and sort of got interested in sitar because of that. 70 00:05:42,237 --> 00:05:44,997 It was a very inappropriate film for most Indians 71 00:05:45,077 --> 00:05:46,477 because that film really lived up 72 00:05:46,557 --> 00:05:49,037 to all the stereotypes about India, 73 00:05:49,117 --> 00:05:51,797 about bloodthirsty thug cult. 74 00:05:51,877 --> 00:05:54,397 The goddess, which was named as Kylie, 75 00:05:54,477 --> 00:05:57,077 was really based on a real goddess, 76 00:05:57,157 --> 00:05:59,677 the Kali goddess, Hindus are very reverential to her. 77 00:06:01,637 --> 00:06:05,237 So the whole film would be offending a lot of Indians. 78 00:06:09,157 --> 00:06:11,757 And then there was this book on the yoga. 79 00:06:11,837 --> 00:06:14,157 While they're on shoot at Bahamas, 80 00:06:14,237 --> 00:06:17,637 the suddenly come across this very diminutive yogi 81 00:06:17,717 --> 00:06:19,757 who cycles up to where they are 82 00:06:19,837 --> 00:06:21,677 and distributes this book. 83 00:06:21,757 --> 00:06:23,797 This is Vishnudevananda, 84 00:06:23,877 --> 00:06:27,597 the first illustrated book on yoga going across the West. 85 00:06:27,677 --> 00:06:30,797 But I don't think The Beatles paid him much attention. 86 00:06:30,877 --> 00:06:33,317 I think much later he thought back 87 00:06:33,397 --> 00:06:36,077 and there was this sort of very mysterious connection. 88 00:06:38,517 --> 00:06:39,757 The palace of the Queen 89 00:06:39,837 --> 00:06:41,757 has lived through many historic events, 90 00:06:41,837 --> 00:06:43,397 and it's our privilege today 91 00:06:43,477 --> 00:06:46,517 to witness one of the most earth shaking, The Beatles. 92 00:06:46,597 --> 00:06:48,317 Fresh from an audience with the Queen, 93 00:06:48,397 --> 00:06:50,997 they hold medals indicating they have been made members 94 00:06:51,077 --> 00:06:53,357 of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. 95 00:06:53,437 --> 00:06:54,717 The Beatles, of course, 96 00:06:54,797 --> 00:06:57,397 have proven to be one of Britain's prime exports. 97 00:06:57,477 --> 00:06:59,197 They have brought in more foreign exchange 98 00:06:59,277 --> 00:07:00,797 than many industries. 99 00:07:00,877 --> 00:07:03,277 And the Queen saw fit to reward their economic contribution 100 00:07:03,357 --> 00:07:04,237 to the nation. 101 00:07:04,317 --> 00:07:05,597 The award entitles The Beatles 102 00:07:05,677 --> 00:07:08,077 to put the letters MBE after their names. 103 00:07:10,237 --> 00:07:11,933 That was the most miserable time of our lives, 104 00:07:11,957 --> 00:07:14,757 was the MBE cop-out period. 105 00:07:14,837 --> 00:07:17,717 We got an MBE, which is one of the biggest jokes 106 00:07:17,797 --> 00:07:20,117 in the history of this island probably. 107 00:07:23,037 --> 00:07:24,437 The great cavalcade of empire 108 00:07:24,517 --> 00:07:26,157 makes a grand spectacle. 109 00:07:26,237 --> 00:07:29,037 One of the smallest countries on the map is responsible for 110 00:07:29,117 --> 00:07:31,517 the mightiest Commonwealth of nations in history. 111 00:07:34,877 --> 00:07:37,877 India was always in British lives because of the empire. 112 00:07:37,957 --> 00:07:40,837 We knew about tea and we knew about, you know, rubber, 113 00:07:40,917 --> 00:07:42,957 but the idea of its music 114 00:07:43,037 --> 00:07:44,757 being, in any way, an influence 115 00:07:44,837 --> 00:07:48,797 on anything from this country was simply not considered. 116 00:07:54,677 --> 00:07:56,357 From the music that I play 117 00:07:56,437 --> 00:07:57,917 to get better and better, 118 00:07:57,997 --> 00:08:00,117 musicians generally, in the West, 119 00:08:00,197 --> 00:08:03,397 progress into, say, modern jazz, 120 00:08:03,477 --> 00:08:06,637 but when I first heard Indian music, 121 00:08:06,717 --> 00:08:09,077 there was so much more freedom 122 00:08:09,157 --> 00:08:12,197 and there was so much more in it compared to jazz. 123 00:08:14,237 --> 00:08:18,077 I just couldn't really believe that it was so, so great. 124 00:08:18,157 --> 00:08:20,053 I don't know, then I just started to listen to it 125 00:08:20,077 --> 00:08:24,477 more and more, and to try and listen a bit closer. 126 00:08:24,557 --> 00:08:26,877 And the more I heard of it, the more I liked it. 127 00:08:45,157 --> 00:08:46,557 My mother meets The Beatles in India 128 00:08:46,597 --> 00:08:47,797 well before I'm even born. 129 00:08:49,437 --> 00:08:51,997 I think she, by virtue of being in the "Hindustan Times" 130 00:08:52,077 --> 00:08:53,557 at that point, 131 00:08:53,637 --> 00:08:55,653 being a preeminent journalist, being a chief reporter, 132 00:08:55,677 --> 00:08:58,957 got the opportunity, but didn't really see, 133 00:08:59,037 --> 00:09:00,557 my God, the magic of that moment. 134 00:09:02,517 --> 00:09:03,917 And you know, I'm always asked, 135 00:09:03,997 --> 00:09:05,517 what's the one thing about your mother 136 00:09:05,597 --> 00:09:07,413 that you would have really wished you would do. 137 00:09:07,437 --> 00:09:09,797 And she's been Indian first woman war correspondent. 138 00:09:11,477 --> 00:09:13,477 She's done all kinds of crazy trailblazing thing. 139 00:09:13,557 --> 00:09:15,877 And I always look at this photograph and I say, 140 00:09:15,957 --> 00:09:18,757 "My God, I wish I had been that person 141 00:09:18,837 --> 00:09:21,117 sitting between John and Paul." 142 00:09:25,877 --> 00:09:28,117 This was the first time The Beatles had, 143 00:09:28,197 --> 00:09:29,477 as a group, come to India. 144 00:09:31,397 --> 00:09:34,477 And they symbolised to us, not just a new kind of music. 145 00:09:34,557 --> 00:09:38,357 It was almost like symbolising a new kind of life. 146 00:09:39,757 --> 00:09:43,157 They represented the whole sixties to us. 147 00:09:43,237 --> 00:09:46,237 When I heard they were in Delhi, 148 00:09:46,317 --> 00:09:48,597 I went to the Oberoi InterContinental, 149 00:09:48,677 --> 00:09:50,997 and I sat in the lobby and everyone was circling 150 00:09:51,077 --> 00:09:52,997 all the different entrances of the hotel, 151 00:09:53,077 --> 00:09:54,933 waiting for The Beatles to come out by the kitchen entrance, 152 00:09:54,957 --> 00:09:56,597 by various ways. 153 00:09:56,677 --> 00:10:01,517 I sat near the lift and I waited for Brian Epstein to emerge 154 00:10:01,597 --> 00:10:03,677 because I knew he was their manager. 155 00:10:05,277 --> 00:10:06,973 And sure enough, after a few hours of waiting, 156 00:10:06,997 --> 00:10:09,517 I saw him come down and I sidled up to him 157 00:10:09,597 --> 00:10:11,317 and I said, "Excuse me, Mr. Epstein, 158 00:10:11,397 --> 00:10:13,117 I am from All India Radio. 159 00:10:13,197 --> 00:10:15,237 The government have scheduled an interview 160 00:10:15,317 --> 00:10:17,157 with The Beatles." 161 00:10:17,237 --> 00:10:18,973 And he stopped in his tracks and looks at me, 162 00:10:18,997 --> 00:10:20,957 "How dare you! 163 00:10:21,037 --> 00:10:24,317 The boys will not give an interview. How dare you!" 164 00:10:24,397 --> 00:10:27,117 I said, "I'm just conveying the decision of the government 165 00:10:27,197 --> 00:10:29,277 because this interview has been announced 166 00:10:29,357 --> 00:10:33,077 and it would be very embarrassing if this didn't happen." 167 00:10:33,157 --> 00:10:35,277 "I will not permit this," he said, 168 00:10:35,357 --> 00:10:38,237 "well, I will give the interview." 169 00:10:38,317 --> 00:10:39,573 I said, "Good enough for me, sir, 170 00:10:39,597 --> 00:10:41,597 Brian Epstein, good enough for me." 171 00:10:41,677 --> 00:10:42,997 Is there going to be any change 172 00:10:43,077 --> 00:10:44,397 in the sort of work that they do? 173 00:10:44,477 --> 00:10:47,157 Possibly, 'cause, as I've said before, 174 00:10:47,237 --> 00:10:50,597 there's no dynamic or important change 175 00:10:50,677 --> 00:10:53,517 but The Beatles have always progressed. 176 00:10:53,597 --> 00:10:55,317 And to progress, they have to change. 177 00:10:56,957 --> 00:10:59,237 At seven o'clock I go up in the lift, 178 00:10:59,317 --> 00:11:02,317 I get out and I walk to the end of the corridor. 179 00:11:02,397 --> 00:11:07,237 I knock and there's Brian Epstein in a bathrobe, sweating. 180 00:11:07,317 --> 00:11:10,277 He emerges, walks me across the length of the hotel, 181 00:11:10,357 --> 00:11:13,317 opens the suite on the other side of the floor, 182 00:11:13,397 --> 00:11:16,317 and then I was in with The Beatles, all four of them. 183 00:11:16,397 --> 00:11:17,717 I asked them what they were doing 184 00:11:17,797 --> 00:11:19,557 and they said they had an album coming out 185 00:11:19,637 --> 00:11:21,157 in a month's time. 186 00:11:21,237 --> 00:11:24,117 George Harrison mentioned that he had an Indian influence 187 00:11:24,197 --> 00:11:28,677 in one of the songs, which turned out to be, "Love You To." 188 00:11:28,757 --> 00:11:31,197 And Paul mentioned that he had a classical arrangement 189 00:11:31,277 --> 00:11:32,877 behind one of the songs, 190 00:11:32,957 --> 00:11:35,677 which I think must have been "Eleanor Rigby." 191 00:11:35,757 --> 00:11:38,677 Even then, they were going to be Indian influences 192 00:11:38,757 --> 00:11:39,757 in their songs. 193 00:11:41,437 --> 00:11:44,117 I personally hope there'll be more Indian influences 194 00:11:44,197 --> 00:11:46,597 just generally in any music because it's worth it. 195 00:11:46,677 --> 00:11:48,317 It's very good music. 196 00:11:48,397 --> 00:11:49,957 I just like to see it more popular, 197 00:11:50,037 --> 00:11:51,677 more people appreciating it. 198 00:11:55,957 --> 00:11:58,917 It was the 6th of July, 1966. 199 00:11:58,997 --> 00:12:00,517 Some foreigner came, 200 00:12:00,597 --> 00:12:02,717 they never knew what the name of the person were, 201 00:12:02,797 --> 00:12:05,957 but they were interested in buying some sitars, harmoniums, 202 00:12:06,037 --> 00:12:08,877 and tablas and sarod, and that's all. 203 00:12:10,117 --> 00:12:12,277 The huge crowd assembled here outside 204 00:12:12,357 --> 00:12:15,477 looking the new face of the English people, 205 00:12:15,557 --> 00:12:17,437 like the big hair and all that. 206 00:12:17,517 --> 00:12:18,517 It was a craze. 207 00:12:19,877 --> 00:12:22,037 My father and uncle went to the hotel 208 00:12:22,117 --> 00:12:25,557 and show an instrument, and, later on, 209 00:12:25,637 --> 00:12:27,997 gave lesson to George Harrison specially. 210 00:12:29,757 --> 00:12:32,757 After The Beatles, there was a big craze for sitars, 211 00:12:32,837 --> 00:12:35,237 tablas, and other instruments. 212 00:12:35,317 --> 00:12:38,757 In a day, in a month, we were selling sitar like hotcake. 213 00:12:42,157 --> 00:12:45,997 The famous Beatles, they came in 1966 to our stall. 214 00:12:46,077 --> 00:12:47,677 They were dressed very differently 215 00:12:47,757 --> 00:12:50,877 so that the people there could not recognise them. 216 00:12:50,957 --> 00:12:52,517 And they walked into the store 217 00:12:52,597 --> 00:12:55,317 and they started talking about Indian musical instruments, 218 00:12:55,397 --> 00:12:58,117 especially the sitar, the tambura, and the sarod, 219 00:12:58,197 --> 00:12:59,557 and also the tabla. 220 00:13:03,957 --> 00:13:05,837 He was a good sitar player, my father, 221 00:13:05,917 --> 00:13:08,397 and he was showing them how to play it 222 00:13:08,477 --> 00:13:10,437 and how the finger movements are, 223 00:13:10,517 --> 00:13:13,437 how to coordinate both left and right hand, 224 00:13:13,517 --> 00:13:16,317 and, you know, how to strike the strings, 225 00:13:16,397 --> 00:13:17,677 how to pluck the strings. 226 00:13:19,037 --> 00:13:22,837 They asked him whom he learned the sitar from, 227 00:13:22,917 --> 00:13:25,037 he said, "With Ravi Shankar." 228 00:13:25,117 --> 00:13:27,117 Pa-pa-pa-pa, ah. Like this. 229 00:13:32,677 --> 00:13:36,597 Ravi Shankar, as I see it, was really the first ambassador 230 00:13:36,677 --> 00:13:40,077 for all musicians, artists, singers, dancers 231 00:13:40,157 --> 00:13:41,677 from India to the West. 232 00:13:48,557 --> 00:13:49,837 Over the last few years, 233 00:13:49,917 --> 00:13:53,477 I heard the name Ravi Shankar mentioned. 234 00:13:55,237 --> 00:13:59,997 A good friend of mine told me to buy a record, which I did. 235 00:14:01,357 --> 00:14:02,653 This was the first time I'd ever heard 236 00:14:02,677 --> 00:14:04,557 Indian music properly. 237 00:14:07,517 --> 00:14:08,917 But when I first heard it, 238 00:14:08,997 --> 00:14:11,237 I couldn't really, couldn't believe it really. 239 00:14:16,437 --> 00:14:18,037 He's also been turned onto Ravi Shankar, 240 00:14:18,117 --> 00:14:21,237 by the, like, David Crosby and Roger McGuinn from The Birds. 241 00:14:21,317 --> 00:14:22,717 'Cause Ravi Shankar had appealed to, 242 00:14:22,797 --> 00:14:24,717 the sort of the Beat Generation, 243 00:14:24,797 --> 00:14:26,237 going back to the fifties actually. 244 00:14:26,317 --> 00:14:29,397 It was all part of that kind of ambiance. 245 00:14:29,477 --> 00:14:30,957 I'm sure you must have been asked this 246 00:14:30,997 --> 00:14:32,077 lots of times before, 247 00:14:32,157 --> 00:14:33,797 but what's your opinion of, 248 00:14:33,877 --> 00:14:35,877 sort of, English pop groups and American pop groups 249 00:14:35,917 --> 00:14:39,437 using the sitar and the Indian influence in their records? 250 00:14:39,517 --> 00:14:42,877 It will make me very happy if I see that some people 251 00:14:42,957 --> 00:14:45,877 take true interest and learn properly. 252 00:14:45,957 --> 00:14:49,077 Because after having played the sitar for 36 years, 253 00:14:49,157 --> 00:14:52,917 I feel that one has to give some time to it. 254 00:14:52,997 --> 00:14:53,997 Indeed. 255 00:14:59,117 --> 00:15:01,317 My father and my mother were running 256 00:15:01,397 --> 00:15:02,717 the Asian Music Circle. 257 00:15:04,237 --> 00:15:07,077 My father was quite successful at getting musicians 258 00:15:07,157 --> 00:15:11,437 to come to this country and he'd put on concerts for them. 259 00:15:11,517 --> 00:15:15,077 It was very much for erudite English people, 260 00:15:15,157 --> 00:15:16,957 intellectuals who knew about Indian music. 261 00:15:21,317 --> 00:15:23,397 Yehudi Menuhin, amazing man. 262 00:15:23,477 --> 00:15:26,117 He was the president to the Asian Music Circle, 263 00:15:26,197 --> 00:15:29,197 and I think it was through him that Ravi Shankar first came. 264 00:15:31,877 --> 00:15:34,717 And George was fascinated by our family, 265 00:15:34,797 --> 00:15:38,917 and so he was invited round to spend the afternoon. 266 00:15:38,997 --> 00:15:40,557 I think he came round for lunch. 267 00:15:40,637 --> 00:15:41,957 Pattie was there as well, 268 00:15:42,037 --> 00:15:44,397 and then George came quite regularly. 269 00:15:44,477 --> 00:15:47,597 Eventually, I said, if we could get Ravi free, 270 00:15:47,677 --> 00:15:49,397 and the time George was free, 271 00:15:49,477 --> 00:15:51,293 we'd invite them both together and introduce them 272 00:15:51,317 --> 00:15:52,597 and see whether they got on. 273 00:15:53,957 --> 00:15:56,597 And the doorbell rang and I rushed to the door 274 00:15:56,677 --> 00:15:59,157 and there wasn't George, it was Paul. 275 00:15:59,237 --> 00:16:00,677 Then Paul said, "I'm Paul McCartney." 276 00:16:00,757 --> 00:16:03,237 And I said, "I know." 277 00:16:03,317 --> 00:16:07,357 And he came in and a little while after that, 278 00:16:07,437 --> 00:16:09,437 I think George arrived next. 279 00:16:09,517 --> 00:16:12,517 And finally we met, very nicely, 280 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,757 at somebody's house, having dinner. 281 00:16:14,837 --> 00:16:17,117 We met just as two people 282 00:16:17,197 --> 00:16:20,077 instead of being a big publicity gimmick. 283 00:16:21,557 --> 00:16:23,637 Ravi came in and we just said, 284 00:16:23,717 --> 00:16:25,877 "Ravi, this is George, George this is Ravi." 285 00:16:27,557 --> 00:16:30,397 And we had a dinner there, we just ate and talked. 286 00:16:31,757 --> 00:16:33,557 Paul was a little bit on the outside actually, 287 00:16:33,597 --> 00:16:36,357 looking a little bit bored, smoking like a chimney. 288 00:16:36,437 --> 00:16:39,157 My young sister went around collecting the cigarette butts 289 00:16:39,237 --> 00:16:42,077 to take to school the next day, the used cigarette butts. 290 00:16:45,437 --> 00:16:49,437 And from then he offered to give me, 291 00:16:49,517 --> 00:16:53,997 to start me off on sitar with a few lessons, which he did. 292 00:16:54,077 --> 00:16:57,677 He had many students in India, very talented musicians. 293 00:16:57,757 --> 00:16:59,237 So to try to explain 294 00:16:59,317 --> 00:17:04,077 what drew George and Ravi Shankar together 295 00:17:05,397 --> 00:17:07,717 is not easy because it defies logic. 296 00:17:15,077 --> 00:17:17,557 When George Harrison came to me, 297 00:17:17,637 --> 00:17:19,557 I didn't know what to think. 298 00:17:20,917 --> 00:17:23,997 But I found he really wanted to learn. 299 00:17:27,597 --> 00:17:31,357 I never thought our meeting would cause such an explosion. 300 00:17:33,557 --> 00:17:36,397 That Indian music could suddenly appear on the pop scene. 301 00:17:39,557 --> 00:17:41,997 George said that, "I want to learn the sitar," 302 00:17:42,077 --> 00:17:44,837 and Ravi, he said, "Yes, I can teach you, 303 00:17:44,917 --> 00:17:47,917 but it's a very difficult instrument to learn, 304 00:17:47,997 --> 00:17:50,437 and you will have to spend a lot of time 305 00:17:50,517 --> 00:17:53,237 and your fingers will hurt. 306 00:17:53,317 --> 00:17:56,397 It's going to be a difficult thing for you to do, 307 00:17:56,477 --> 00:17:59,597 but I want you to come to India 308 00:17:59,677 --> 00:18:02,917 and I will teach you over there." 309 00:18:14,037 --> 00:18:16,077 So when Ravi invited George and me, 310 00:18:16,157 --> 00:18:17,477 I was thrilled to be going. 311 00:18:19,037 --> 00:18:20,853 You know, 22, I hadn't really thought much about it. 312 00:18:20,877 --> 00:18:23,317 I thought of the King's Road and you know, clothes. 313 00:18:24,677 --> 00:18:26,717 And we started off in Mumbai. 314 00:18:26,797 --> 00:18:29,517 Ravi took us to concerts, private concerts, 315 00:18:29,597 --> 00:18:31,157 that he gave in people's houses, 316 00:18:31,237 --> 00:18:33,597 and then bigger concerts in front of his students. 317 00:18:35,317 --> 00:18:39,037 George Harrison came with his wife, September 1966. 318 00:18:39,117 --> 00:18:41,077 You know, Pandit Ravi Shankar picks him up, 319 00:18:41,157 --> 00:18:44,797 he takes him to the Taj hotel and within about four hours, 320 00:18:44,877 --> 00:18:47,677 the whole of the people in Taj, 321 00:18:47,757 --> 00:18:50,397 it was just filled with people and media and fans, 322 00:18:50,477 --> 00:18:52,597 just coming in, shouting, "George, George, George." 323 00:18:52,677 --> 00:18:55,517 So finally George got just fed up and he told Pandit, 324 00:18:55,597 --> 00:18:57,357 "Let's give a press conference, 325 00:18:57,437 --> 00:18:58,957 Let's go and talk to the press." 326 00:18:59,037 --> 00:19:01,053 So, of course, Pandit Ravi Shankar was the music director 327 00:19:01,077 --> 00:19:02,637 of All India Radio for many years. 328 00:19:02,717 --> 00:19:05,277 So he said, let's go and do a radio interview, studio one. 329 00:19:05,357 --> 00:19:07,957 This is where Pandit Ravi Shankar and George Harrison 330 00:19:08,037 --> 00:19:09,037 did an interview. 331 00:19:10,077 --> 00:19:11,317 So we searched for it, 332 00:19:11,397 --> 00:19:12,853 and we actually opened quite a few spools, 333 00:19:12,877 --> 00:19:15,597 dusty spool lying in the side of a corner. 334 00:19:15,677 --> 00:19:17,973 And then we found George Harrison, there was a paper inside. 335 00:19:17,997 --> 00:19:19,477 It said "George Harrison interview." 336 00:19:19,557 --> 00:19:22,517 The tape hadn't been played in maybe 30 years. 337 00:19:22,597 --> 00:19:23,957 Good afternoon, George. 338 00:19:24,037 --> 00:19:25,277 Good afternoon. 339 00:19:26,677 --> 00:19:28,277 We would like to know from you, 340 00:19:28,357 --> 00:19:32,077 do you think you could not make a public appearance? 341 00:19:32,157 --> 00:19:33,957 If I did want to make a public appearance, 342 00:19:34,037 --> 00:19:35,917 I would have come here to do a show, 343 00:19:35,997 --> 00:19:38,437 and I would've come with John and Paul and Ringo. 344 00:19:38,517 --> 00:19:39,797 It's just like, 345 00:19:39,877 --> 00:19:42,397 all our fans who go to school during the week. 346 00:19:42,477 --> 00:19:43,997 Well if they go on the holidays 347 00:19:44,077 --> 00:19:46,997 and suddenly somebody's making them learn maths 348 00:19:47,077 --> 00:19:49,437 and learn English and learn all this, 349 00:19:49,517 --> 00:19:52,477 then they don't like to do that when it's their holiday. 350 00:19:52,557 --> 00:19:53,797 It's the same for me. 351 00:19:53,877 --> 00:19:56,037 I go around having my photograph taken, 352 00:19:56,117 --> 00:19:58,637 signing autographs and waving at people, 353 00:19:58,717 --> 00:20:01,717 and being a Beatle, and when it comes to my holiday, 354 00:20:01,797 --> 00:20:05,037 then, naturally, I want to not be a Beatle, I wanna be me. 355 00:20:09,357 --> 00:20:13,077 When I was 19, I went to India. 356 00:20:13,157 --> 00:20:16,437 My aunt greeted me at the airport and said, 357 00:20:16,517 --> 00:20:19,717 "Do you know that George Harrison is staying at the hotel?" 358 00:20:21,717 --> 00:20:24,437 We asked around, you know, "Where's Mr. Harrison," 359 00:20:24,517 --> 00:20:25,877 and we weren't told, 360 00:20:25,957 --> 00:20:28,837 and then sort of hopped onto the elevator, 361 00:20:28,917 --> 00:20:30,597 and we started going to floors, 362 00:20:30,677 --> 00:20:32,917 and then eventually there was one floor 363 00:20:32,997 --> 00:20:36,677 where there was a waiter standing outside a room. 364 00:20:36,757 --> 00:20:39,997 And I don't really know what made me do it, 365 00:20:40,077 --> 00:20:42,517 but I sort of hobbled in 366 00:20:42,597 --> 00:20:45,517 and George Harrison asked what I was doing there, 367 00:20:45,597 --> 00:20:47,157 and I just said, 368 00:20:47,237 --> 00:20:48,957 "I would like your autograph, Mr. Harrison." 369 00:20:49,037 --> 00:20:51,397 And he said, you know, he sort of, 370 00:20:51,477 --> 00:20:53,117 he wasn't too happy about me being there. 371 00:20:53,197 --> 00:20:54,877 I also said to him, 372 00:20:54,957 --> 00:20:57,757 he had numerous fans outside the hotel, 373 00:20:57,837 --> 00:21:00,197 and his words were, which I've never, ever forgotten, 374 00:21:00,277 --> 00:21:03,717 "Tell your friends if they like me, to keep away from me." 375 00:21:03,797 --> 00:21:05,053 Which I thought was rather nasty, 376 00:21:05,077 --> 00:21:07,557 but I needed the autograph. 377 00:21:11,357 --> 00:21:13,117 Everything that Ravi had shown us 378 00:21:13,197 --> 00:21:16,957 and told us about him, introduced us to, made an impact. 379 00:21:18,557 --> 00:21:22,237 He took us to the Ellora Caves, fascinating. 380 00:21:23,557 --> 00:21:26,437 And we went to Banaras, Varanasi. 381 00:21:28,677 --> 00:21:30,037 Banaras was unbelievable 382 00:21:30,117 --> 00:21:31,317 'cause we came by boat 383 00:21:31,397 --> 00:21:32,997 and Ravi had explained to us 384 00:21:33,077 --> 00:21:37,117 the whole reason for people coming to Banaras to die. 385 00:21:37,197 --> 00:21:40,117 And they would request that they'd be burnt. 386 00:21:40,197 --> 00:21:42,997 And I was fascinated by this. 387 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:47,357 The pyres and then the family or the wife or the husband 388 00:21:47,437 --> 00:21:49,997 taking it into the Ganges 389 00:21:50,077 --> 00:21:51,797 and letting their ashes float away. 390 00:21:54,237 --> 00:21:56,637 So Agra, we went to the Taj Mahal. 391 00:21:56,717 --> 00:21:59,717 It's beautiful, I love the story surrounding it. 392 00:21:59,797 --> 00:22:01,797 It was more exquisite 393 00:22:01,877 --> 00:22:05,157 than I could ever have described to anyone. 394 00:22:05,237 --> 00:22:07,877 And then, towards the end of our trip, Kumbh Mela. 395 00:22:09,477 --> 00:22:11,557 There were all these sadhus walking down the road, 396 00:22:11,637 --> 00:22:13,677 and I said, "Ravi, what's they doing?" 397 00:22:13,757 --> 00:22:16,117 He said, "They walk hundreds of miles 398 00:22:16,197 --> 00:22:17,797 to come into this Kumbh Mela." 399 00:22:17,877 --> 00:22:20,037 And I was just watching this spectacle, 400 00:22:20,117 --> 00:22:22,957 and all these people, you know, families or groups 401 00:22:23,037 --> 00:22:25,357 and sadhus, all of India, it seemed. 402 00:22:27,997 --> 00:22:32,597 He also told us about Indian culture and spirituality. 403 00:22:33,957 --> 00:22:37,277 Ravi took us to meet his spiritual guru 404 00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:39,917 and this man was over 100. 405 00:22:39,997 --> 00:22:41,973 And obviously, we didn't know what they were saying, 406 00:22:41,997 --> 00:22:44,797 but it wasn't very many words. 407 00:22:44,877 --> 00:22:47,357 And Ravi is a reverential towards his guru. 408 00:22:49,357 --> 00:22:50,917 Throughout my life 409 00:22:50,997 --> 00:22:55,517 I look to the great yogi Taj Mirage, my spiritual guru. 410 00:22:56,797 --> 00:22:59,517 As a Hindu, I believe blessing of guru 411 00:23:00,917 --> 00:23:02,797 is the most priceless thing in life. 412 00:23:05,237 --> 00:23:07,117 It was very moving for me 413 00:23:07,197 --> 00:23:11,957 to see somebody as powerful as Ravi, but George adored him. 414 00:23:13,317 --> 00:23:15,077 And here he was humbled in front of his guru. 415 00:23:16,317 --> 00:23:18,037 Ravi said that there was something 416 00:23:18,117 --> 00:23:22,277 that I found in George, where he was so simple, 417 00:23:22,357 --> 00:23:26,077 so down to earth, he looked upon me like a guru, 418 00:23:26,157 --> 00:23:30,357 like a father, and he had absolutely no airs about him. 419 00:23:30,437 --> 00:23:31,517 And that is something 420 00:23:31,597 --> 00:23:32,653 -that we also observed- -That's true. 421 00:23:32,677 --> 00:23:35,157 When he came to our home, 422 00:23:35,237 --> 00:23:39,997 he was absolutely a simple person, not demanding anything. 423 00:23:42,197 --> 00:23:43,493 I haven't learned to play the sitar, 424 00:23:43,517 --> 00:23:45,597 I mean, Ravi Shankar hasn't learnt to play 425 00:23:45,677 --> 00:23:47,757 and he's been playing in 35 years. 426 00:23:49,717 --> 00:23:52,557 He was not a sitar player or a star musician, 427 00:23:52,637 --> 00:23:57,317 but I have not seen Ravi have so much time for someone. 428 00:23:57,397 --> 00:24:01,397 This association, this link, I can only explain it 429 00:24:01,477 --> 00:24:03,997 that they must've had some links in a previous life 430 00:24:04,077 --> 00:24:05,477 that brought them together. 431 00:24:08,037 --> 00:24:11,797 When George and we got connected in '66, 432 00:24:14,197 --> 00:24:16,637 it was like wildfire, you know. 433 00:24:18,077 --> 00:24:19,957 He's like a son to me. Same thing. 434 00:24:20,037 --> 00:24:22,197 Sometimes I feel like his dad as well. 435 00:24:23,957 --> 00:24:24,957 He can be. 436 00:24:31,037 --> 00:24:33,837 George Harrison, he loved India, 437 00:24:33,917 --> 00:24:38,677 he loved Indian music, he loved Indian spirituality. 438 00:24:40,277 --> 00:24:43,997 So this thing, you know, pushed Indian classical music 439 00:24:44,077 --> 00:24:47,077 on the top, you know, fusion we can call it, 440 00:24:47,157 --> 00:24:49,597 Western and Indian classical music. 441 00:24:49,677 --> 00:24:52,597 And that was the biggest fusion ever happened. 442 00:24:59,877 --> 00:25:02,357 And then Harrison came here to record "Wonderwall" 443 00:25:02,437 --> 00:25:04,597 with Indian classical musicians. 444 00:25:06,477 --> 00:25:08,757 He was interested in meeting local musicians. 445 00:25:11,757 --> 00:25:15,677 The Beatles use the sitars in their record. 446 00:25:15,757 --> 00:25:20,317 Somehow we were able to imagine The Beatles as our band, 447 00:25:20,397 --> 00:25:22,037 as an Indian band. 448 00:25:24,357 --> 00:25:25,997 And you know, India was a closed society 449 00:25:26,077 --> 00:25:27,637 and a closed economy, 450 00:25:27,717 --> 00:25:31,437 and it was a not very easy to get your hands on albums. 451 00:25:31,517 --> 00:25:36,317 In 1962 or very early '63 on the international shortwave, 452 00:25:37,877 --> 00:25:41,197 a group of people in Bangalore heard their music 453 00:25:41,277 --> 00:25:43,917 and said, "Hey, wait a minute, this is very different." 454 00:25:43,997 --> 00:25:48,317 What it did really was to liberate an entire generation 455 00:25:48,397 --> 00:25:51,277 from the cultural shackles of the past. 456 00:25:51,357 --> 00:25:53,757 The British had left in 1947, 457 00:25:53,837 --> 00:25:56,797 this core was born in the late forties 458 00:25:56,877 --> 00:25:59,157 or early fifties, mid fifties. 459 00:25:59,237 --> 00:26:00,517 When they came of age, 460 00:26:00,597 --> 00:26:03,317 they rejected the past and embraced the new. 461 00:26:05,037 --> 00:26:08,717 In those days, most of the musicians were really from 462 00:26:08,797 --> 00:26:12,477 the Anglo Indian Catholic Christian community 463 00:26:12,557 --> 00:26:16,357 because they were the ones who were more trained in English. 464 00:26:16,437 --> 00:26:19,437 The Jets was really the first beat band, 465 00:26:19,517 --> 00:26:20,997 it wasn't so much rock music, 466 00:26:21,077 --> 00:26:23,037 but it was known as beat music. 467 00:26:23,117 --> 00:26:26,357 And the word beat was not far from Beatle. 468 00:26:26,437 --> 00:26:30,037 We started to model our lives along the lines 469 00:26:30,117 --> 00:26:33,237 of what The Beatles were doing at the time. 470 00:26:33,317 --> 00:26:35,877 The musicians those days were more into singing 471 00:26:35,957 --> 00:26:39,437 Jim Reeves, Everly Brothers, Pat Boone, 472 00:26:39,517 --> 00:26:41,997 and then bang came The Beatles. 473 00:26:42,077 --> 00:26:45,037 And it was like an electric breath of fresh air. 474 00:26:45,117 --> 00:26:48,397 Whatever we were used to suddenly lost its relevance. 475 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:53,117 One day we just woke up 476 00:26:53,197 --> 00:26:56,597 and we saw an image of the great Shammi Kapoor 477 00:26:56,677 --> 00:26:59,517 with that Beatle wig in a Hindi film. 478 00:27:00,877 --> 00:27:02,237 That spoke about the enormous power 479 00:27:02,317 --> 00:27:03,957 and the clout of The Beatles. 480 00:27:05,317 --> 00:27:07,597 My mother was a Indian classical musician. 481 00:27:07,677 --> 00:27:09,357 And then she bought me my first 45, 482 00:27:09,437 --> 00:27:11,677 which was, "I Wanna Hold Your Hand." 483 00:27:11,757 --> 00:27:14,197 Straight away and she bought me a British pop magazine 484 00:27:14,277 --> 00:27:16,517 where I could read about what was happening in the UK 485 00:27:16,597 --> 00:27:18,837 and the UK pop scene. 486 00:27:20,237 --> 00:27:21,837 One day one of my classmates 487 00:27:21,917 --> 00:27:24,117 came back to India after the holidays, 488 00:27:24,197 --> 00:27:25,997 and he brought an album by The Beatles, 489 00:27:26,077 --> 00:27:27,677 who we'd never heard of. 490 00:27:27,757 --> 00:27:30,637 By 10 o'clock that night, I'd fallen in love with the music, 491 00:27:30,717 --> 00:27:32,677 that I'd heard it three or four times, 492 00:27:32,757 --> 00:27:34,157 that music grew into me 493 00:27:34,237 --> 00:27:36,077 and I thought, "Wow, this is fabulous." 494 00:27:37,717 --> 00:27:40,717 We used to play those records again and again and again, 495 00:27:40,797 --> 00:27:43,037 you know, somebody listening to the words, you know, 496 00:27:43,117 --> 00:27:45,037 somebody who's trying to figure out the chords- 497 00:27:45,117 --> 00:27:47,397 - Yes, the solo. - And the solos, 498 00:27:47,477 --> 00:27:50,117 and the most difficult part were the harmonies. 499 00:27:50,197 --> 00:27:52,437 Beatles still remain one of the greatest, 500 00:27:52,517 --> 00:27:55,637 you know, harmony groups, you know, ever. 501 00:27:56,997 --> 00:27:59,637 We went to Calcutta, we stayed with a friend. 502 00:27:59,717 --> 00:28:01,157 And the first night 503 00:28:01,237 --> 00:28:02,893 he took us to a restaurant called Trinkers. 504 00:28:02,917 --> 00:28:04,397 But when we walked in, 505 00:28:04,477 --> 00:28:06,157 we were dressed in our Beatle clothes, 506 00:28:06,237 --> 00:28:08,397 and everybody got up and started clapping. 507 00:28:08,477 --> 00:28:09,997 I don't know why, 508 00:28:10,077 --> 00:28:12,637 maybe they assumed we were some famous group but we weren't, 509 00:28:12,717 --> 00:28:14,597 but the owner of the restaurant said, 510 00:28:14,677 --> 00:28:17,157 "Hey, you know, the people wanna know if you guys sing?" 511 00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:18,557 I said, "Yeah, we sing." 512 00:28:18,637 --> 00:28:20,677 He said, "Would you do a couple of numbers?" 513 00:28:20,757 --> 00:28:24,037 So we did, "She Loves You" and "Please, Please Me." 514 00:28:24,117 --> 00:28:25,917 We brought the house down, shook our heads, 515 00:28:25,997 --> 00:28:27,157 et cetera, et cetera. 516 00:28:27,237 --> 00:28:28,997 The owner came and he said, 517 00:28:29,077 --> 00:28:31,277 "Would you guys like a residency?" 518 00:28:31,357 --> 00:28:33,037 And that's how our career started. 519 00:28:34,677 --> 00:28:37,557 We were the first Western music performing group 520 00:28:37,637 --> 00:28:39,597 to be ever recorded in India. 521 00:28:39,677 --> 00:28:43,197 At the HMV studios, and a song which, of I'm not mistaken, 522 00:28:43,277 --> 00:28:47,117 there was a song called "Pain" and "The Girl Next Door." 523 00:28:47,197 --> 00:28:49,397 I think "The Girl Next Door" had some influences 524 00:28:49,477 --> 00:28:50,517 of The Beatles. 525 00:28:50,597 --> 00:28:52,197 Especially the harmonies. 526 00:28:52,277 --> 00:28:54,837 - Especially the harmonies. - The harmonies, yes, yes. 527 00:28:54,917 --> 00:28:56,637 I was planning to go west 528 00:28:56,717 --> 00:28:59,197 because, you know, forget the Indian culture, 529 00:28:59,277 --> 00:29:01,677 the Western culture was what we youngsters wanted. 530 00:29:01,757 --> 00:29:03,557 By some strange paradox, 531 00:29:03,637 --> 00:29:06,317 The Beatles, who lived in the culture I wanted, 532 00:29:06,397 --> 00:29:08,277 were making their way to India. 533 00:29:20,837 --> 00:29:24,037 LSD was really beginning to make its mark in London, 534 00:29:24,117 --> 00:29:26,237 in the the circles that they moved in. 535 00:29:28,077 --> 00:29:30,277 Some newspaperman came up and he said, 536 00:29:30,357 --> 00:29:31,957 "Have you had LSD?" 537 00:29:32,037 --> 00:29:34,717 So I thought, well, I'll either be cagey here 538 00:29:34,797 --> 00:29:36,997 or I'll be honest, so I said, yes. 539 00:29:41,077 --> 00:29:43,277 Oh God, well, I mean, the first time 540 00:29:43,357 --> 00:29:45,917 was when George and Me, John and Cynthia 541 00:29:45,997 --> 00:29:49,197 were invited for dinner by our dentist. 542 00:29:49,277 --> 00:29:50,597 And that was a bit scary, 543 00:29:50,677 --> 00:29:53,477 because, you know, what was happening to us. 544 00:29:53,557 --> 00:29:54,637 Do you know what I mean? 545 00:29:54,717 --> 00:29:56,237 It's just, everything is surreal. 546 00:29:56,317 --> 00:29:59,477 And you look at your hand and you're like 500 years old. 547 00:30:01,117 --> 00:30:03,877 And then I'd hear my voice and wonder where it came from. 548 00:30:03,957 --> 00:30:07,117 And colours, and there's an intensity to it. 549 00:30:10,397 --> 00:30:13,877 When we took the notorious wonder, drug LSD, 550 00:30:13,957 --> 00:30:17,797 we had it and we went out to a club and it was incredible. 551 00:30:17,877 --> 00:30:19,437 When I got onto acid, right, 552 00:30:19,517 --> 00:30:22,957 you know the day that you're at a hundred percent potential 553 00:30:23,037 --> 00:30:25,157 and you can handle whatever the situation is, 554 00:30:25,237 --> 00:30:27,237 with acid, or just after acid, 555 00:30:27,317 --> 00:30:29,837 the percent of good days as opposed to bad days 556 00:30:29,917 --> 00:30:31,397 was just a bit better, you know. 557 00:30:33,717 --> 00:30:35,477 They particularly got into drugs 558 00:30:35,557 --> 00:30:37,437 and Indian music at the same time, 559 00:30:37,517 --> 00:30:39,877 and it seemed like there was some kind of a connection 560 00:30:39,957 --> 00:30:41,557 between the two, there wasn't of course, 561 00:30:41,637 --> 00:30:44,117 because they both preexisted separately. 562 00:30:46,157 --> 00:30:47,037 There must be an intimate connection 563 00:30:47,117 --> 00:30:48,357 between Indian music and drugs, 564 00:30:48,437 --> 00:30:49,997 maybe because of the bizarre sound, 565 00:30:50,077 --> 00:30:51,693 and there should be a drug connection he said that- 566 00:30:51,717 --> 00:30:53,757 Just watch who you're calling bizarre, Dick. 567 00:30:55,237 --> 00:30:56,853 Yes, I have difficulty with the word bizarre. 568 00:30:56,877 --> 00:30:59,717 I meant B-A-Z-A-A-R, the other... 569 00:30:59,797 --> 00:31:01,853 No, wait a minute, there's no way I can get out of this. 570 00:31:01,877 --> 00:31:04,117 To Western ears, the unusual sound 571 00:31:04,197 --> 00:31:08,157 might suggest some sort of chemical intoxication. 572 00:31:08,237 --> 00:31:09,437 I'm not blaming George, 573 00:31:09,517 --> 00:31:12,117 but you know, somehow because of him, 574 00:31:12,197 --> 00:31:15,997 the sitar became really popular among the young people. 575 00:31:16,077 --> 00:31:17,277 The hippies were the ones 576 00:31:17,357 --> 00:31:18,757 who caught on to a new music, 577 00:31:18,837 --> 00:31:20,517 and it just happens that most of them were, 578 00:31:20,597 --> 00:31:23,357 you know, were smoking pot or something. 579 00:31:23,437 --> 00:31:26,437 And, since then, the two got caught up together 580 00:31:26,517 --> 00:31:27,837 but it's really a problem. 581 00:31:29,357 --> 00:31:31,837 Yeah, I requests to my listeners to be in a clear mind, 582 00:31:31,917 --> 00:31:34,917 because I like to put them, you know, 583 00:31:34,997 --> 00:31:37,117 - make them high with the music. - Yourself. 584 00:31:37,197 --> 00:31:40,157 Yes, and I feel rather cheated when they're already high. 585 00:31:43,877 --> 00:31:48,357 LSD opened them up to experiences and awarenesses 586 00:31:48,437 --> 00:31:51,637 of consciousness that they wouldn't have got 587 00:31:51,717 --> 00:31:53,237 in any other way. 588 00:31:53,317 --> 00:31:55,957 Eastern religion, I think, would have been opaque to them, 589 00:31:56,037 --> 00:31:57,973 they wouldn't have been able to understand it at all, 590 00:31:57,997 --> 00:31:59,957 but, having had that experience, 591 00:32:00,037 --> 00:32:02,077 suddenly these things made sense. 592 00:32:03,397 --> 00:32:05,717 George said that when he first took LSD, 593 00:32:05,797 --> 00:32:08,757 he heard voices in the back of his head 594 00:32:08,837 --> 00:32:10,597 saying yogis of the Himalayas. 595 00:32:17,117 --> 00:32:18,677 Maharishi, good evening. 596 00:32:18,757 --> 00:32:22,277 You once said even if only 1/10 of the adult population 597 00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:24,877 meditated for short periods each day, 598 00:32:24,957 --> 00:32:26,837 it would not take more than a few months 599 00:32:26,917 --> 00:32:29,877 to remove the entire accumulation of tension in the world. 600 00:32:29,957 --> 00:32:31,173 - These are your words? - I'm absolutely 601 00:32:31,197 --> 00:32:32,717 convinced about it. 602 00:32:34,317 --> 00:32:36,117 I saw an advertisement in the paper 603 00:32:36,197 --> 00:32:38,877 for transcendental meditation classes. 604 00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:40,437 So I went with a girlfriend. 605 00:32:41,997 --> 00:32:44,037 England I've been visiting once every year. 606 00:32:44,117 --> 00:32:46,237 People do feel stress and strain 607 00:32:46,317 --> 00:32:50,797 due to the greater undertaking in their life. 608 00:32:50,877 --> 00:32:53,877 Paul phoned George and said, 609 00:32:53,957 --> 00:32:55,517 "There's this man called Maharishi 610 00:32:55,597 --> 00:32:58,597 who's going to come to England and talk about meditation" 611 00:32:58,677 --> 00:33:00,277 And I said, 612 00:33:00,357 --> 00:33:01,933 "Oh, that's the same guy that, you know, I follow" 613 00:33:01,957 --> 00:33:03,693 So in those days, when one Beatle did something, 614 00:33:03,717 --> 00:33:06,237 they all did it, so we all went. 615 00:33:06,317 --> 00:33:07,453 Now you've been travelling the world now 616 00:33:07,477 --> 00:33:08,957 for many years. 617 00:33:09,037 --> 00:33:10,373 You've made, I think, something like eight world tours. 618 00:33:10,397 --> 00:33:12,237 Ninth, I returned this time. 619 00:33:12,317 --> 00:33:16,237 This was the ninth completed. 620 00:33:16,317 --> 00:33:18,237 Maharishi was the most powerful, 621 00:33:18,317 --> 00:33:21,477 magnetically charismatic person I've ever met. 622 00:33:21,557 --> 00:33:24,357 He was also the happiest person I ever met. 623 00:33:24,437 --> 00:33:26,557 He was filled with this energy 624 00:33:26,637 --> 00:33:29,197 that you wanted to be near him all the time. 625 00:33:29,277 --> 00:33:31,237 All of us who were on his staff, 626 00:33:31,317 --> 00:33:33,677 we fought each other to get into the room with him. 627 00:33:35,037 --> 00:33:36,333 It was just the right time, anyway, 628 00:33:36,357 --> 00:33:37,717 there we were waiting for someone- 629 00:33:37,797 --> 00:33:39,077 Waiting for a guru, 630 00:33:39,157 --> 00:33:40,573 - and he came. - The great magic man to come, 631 00:33:40,597 --> 00:33:41,797 and he came, you know. 632 00:33:41,877 --> 00:33:43,637 There he was, he's just talking about it all 633 00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:45,037 and he had great answers. 634 00:33:45,117 --> 00:33:47,797 'Cause he's got that kind of thing, you know, 635 00:33:47,877 --> 00:33:49,837 and he got a twinkle in the eye. 636 00:33:51,157 --> 00:33:53,117 They told Maharishi that they'd been seeking 637 00:33:53,197 --> 00:33:55,157 a spiritual experience. 638 00:33:55,237 --> 00:33:56,877 They'd been trying to do it through drugs, 639 00:33:56,917 --> 00:33:59,237 but it just didn't work, you know? 640 00:33:59,317 --> 00:34:02,477 And so he invited them to come to Bangor, North Wales. 641 00:34:04,437 --> 00:34:07,077 Where he would be doing a meditation retreat for 10 days. 642 00:34:29,037 --> 00:34:30,597 The Beatles seem to be 643 00:34:30,677 --> 00:34:32,693 among your supporters now, how do you feel about that? 644 00:34:32,717 --> 00:34:35,717 They seem to be very intelligent and I'm honoured. 645 00:34:35,797 --> 00:34:38,717 And so you think that if The Beatles adopt your teaching, 646 00:34:38,797 --> 00:34:40,037 then they can spread it 647 00:34:40,117 --> 00:34:40,997 amongst other young people in England? 648 00:34:41,077 --> 00:34:42,277 And much more, 649 00:34:42,357 --> 00:34:44,157 not only England, but around the world. 650 00:34:44,237 --> 00:34:47,477 Because the word Beatle has gone on in all the continents, 651 00:34:47,557 --> 00:34:51,157 and younger people are fascinated by their name. 652 00:34:51,237 --> 00:34:52,837 What do you think of The Beatles? 653 00:34:52,917 --> 00:34:54,797 Very good, intelligent young boys, 654 00:34:54,877 --> 00:34:56,357 and there's great potential. 655 00:34:56,437 --> 00:34:58,317 And their music? 656 00:34:58,397 --> 00:34:59,757 Music I haven't heard, 657 00:34:59,837 --> 00:35:02,357 but because they are appreciated all over the world, 658 00:35:02,437 --> 00:35:05,157 they must have something very grateful in their music. 659 00:35:10,797 --> 00:35:12,397 I think he's trying to say 660 00:35:12,477 --> 00:35:14,637 is the things we're getting into aren't that important. 661 00:35:14,717 --> 00:35:16,637 Money has taken over from God. 662 00:35:16,717 --> 00:35:18,637 Instead of trying to get where God is, 663 00:35:18,717 --> 00:35:20,957 we all try and get the biggest bank balance. 664 00:35:21,037 --> 00:35:22,357 That's what it seems to mean. 665 00:35:24,037 --> 00:35:26,317 Peace of mind is like an ocean, very deep. 666 00:35:26,397 --> 00:35:29,957 And the activity's only on the surface like that. 667 00:35:30,037 --> 00:35:33,797 So if the waves of the ocean contact deeper level of water, 668 00:35:33,877 --> 00:35:35,917 then the wave becomes stronger. 669 00:35:35,997 --> 00:35:37,573 That means that we're going to be happier. 670 00:35:37,597 --> 00:35:42,277 And much happier and much more creative also. 671 00:35:54,877 --> 00:35:56,797 He was found in his second floor bedroom, 672 00:35:56,877 --> 00:35:59,397 just after two o'clock this afternoon by his housekeeper. 673 00:35:59,477 --> 00:36:02,477 Mr. Epstein has been unwell now for some months. 674 00:36:02,557 --> 00:36:04,277 And he's been in the habit of taking tablets 675 00:36:04,317 --> 00:36:05,517 to help him sleep at night. 676 00:36:07,277 --> 00:36:10,797 When Brian died, The Beatles clearly were lost. 677 00:36:10,877 --> 00:36:13,277 They were like jelly, their manager, their best friend, 678 00:36:13,357 --> 00:36:17,077 their man who they rely on totally for their fame, 679 00:36:17,157 --> 00:36:20,277 for their fortune, you know, their guide in life, 680 00:36:20,357 --> 00:36:21,397 was now gone. 681 00:36:24,917 --> 00:36:27,877 John, where would you be today without Mr. Epstein? 682 00:36:27,957 --> 00:36:29,157 I don't know. 683 00:36:30,797 --> 00:36:33,357 I understand that Mr. Epstein was to be initiated here? 684 00:36:33,437 --> 00:36:34,437 Mmm. 685 00:36:34,517 --> 00:36:35,757 When was he coming up? 686 00:36:35,837 --> 00:36:37,317 Was he coming up in the afternoon? 687 00:36:37,397 --> 00:36:39,293 Coming tomorrow. Just Monday, that's all we knew. 688 00:36:39,317 --> 00:36:41,757 I spoke to him Wednesday evening, 689 00:36:41,837 --> 00:36:45,997 then evening before we first saw Maharishi's lecture 690 00:36:46,077 --> 00:36:48,757 and he was in great spirits. 691 00:36:50,277 --> 00:36:51,157 I wanted Maharishi 692 00:36:51,237 --> 00:36:52,453 to bring him back to life again. 693 00:36:52,477 --> 00:36:54,397 You know, I, by this time, 694 00:36:54,477 --> 00:36:56,237 I'm giving him so much power 695 00:36:56,317 --> 00:37:00,037 and how extraordinary that they were with Maharishi, 696 00:37:00,117 --> 00:37:03,637 who's now going to be, sort of, their spiritual guru, 697 00:37:03,717 --> 00:37:06,197 but also that they could lean on him, 698 00:37:06,277 --> 00:37:07,837 because they trusted him so much. 699 00:37:07,917 --> 00:37:11,757 So, for that moment in time, he replaced Brian. 700 00:37:13,317 --> 00:37:17,117 I understand that the Maharishi conferred with you all? 701 00:37:17,197 --> 00:37:21,717 He told us not to get overwhelmed by grief, 702 00:37:21,797 --> 00:37:25,317 and whatever thoughts we have of Brian, to keep 'em happy, 703 00:37:25,397 --> 00:37:26,757 because any thoughts we have of him 704 00:37:26,837 --> 00:37:28,757 will travel to him, wherever he is. 705 00:37:44,797 --> 00:37:49,557 I come to India because of I want to leave material world. 706 00:37:50,557 --> 00:37:51,557 Come to a simple country. 707 00:37:53,677 --> 00:37:57,237 Ganga is a holy river because it comes from Himalayas 708 00:37:58,477 --> 00:38:00,357 and this place has much energy. 709 00:38:02,317 --> 00:38:05,997 And it come down, no? Takes energy and comes here. 710 00:38:09,877 --> 00:38:10,917 The ashrams or monasteries 711 00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:13,197 of the various religious orders 712 00:38:13,277 --> 00:38:15,397 glimmer over the smooth green water. 713 00:38:15,477 --> 00:38:18,157 Though the sun is hot, the river is icy, 714 00:38:18,237 --> 00:38:20,797 flowing from a glacier high up in the Himalayas, 715 00:38:20,877 --> 00:38:22,557 the land of the Gods. 716 00:38:22,637 --> 00:38:26,317 But Rishikesh, its name means place of the wise ones, 717 00:38:26,397 --> 00:38:29,077 is far from being a remote or desert region. 718 00:38:29,157 --> 00:38:31,477 Its one of the most celebrated centres of pilgrimage 719 00:38:31,557 --> 00:38:32,557 in the whole of India. 720 00:38:34,557 --> 00:38:35,797 In the cool clear air 721 00:38:35,877 --> 00:38:37,957 of Rishikesh, North India, 722 00:38:38,037 --> 00:38:41,557 the meditation retreat of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 723 00:38:41,637 --> 00:38:43,477 Flower-loving yogi told reporters 724 00:38:43,557 --> 00:38:45,277 that his brand of peace of mind 725 00:38:45,357 --> 00:38:46,877 could only be truly appreciated 726 00:38:46,957 --> 00:38:48,757 by intelligent men of the world 727 00:38:48,837 --> 00:38:52,237 with rewarding activities and high incomes. 728 00:38:52,317 --> 00:38:54,957 The purpose of life is the expansion of happiness. 729 00:38:55,037 --> 00:38:56,837 Anyone can find the way. 730 00:38:56,917 --> 00:38:59,757 That's the basic teaching of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 731 00:38:59,837 --> 00:39:01,637 Are The Beatles really going to find happiness 732 00:39:01,677 --> 00:39:03,197 here in Rishikesh? 733 00:39:03,277 --> 00:39:05,253 Are they really going to become, as Maharishi hopes, 734 00:39:05,277 --> 00:39:07,397 the practical philosophers of the age? 735 00:39:07,477 --> 00:39:10,357 Or must they return home unsatisfied? 736 00:39:10,437 --> 00:39:12,797 Eternal, rich, young men victims of a fad, 737 00:39:12,877 --> 00:39:14,557 looking for something, anything, 738 00:39:14,637 --> 00:39:16,477 to make their lives worth while. 739 00:39:25,437 --> 00:39:27,957 I was a reporter. 740 00:39:28,037 --> 00:39:32,237 I'd heard that the best thing that a reporter can do 741 00:39:32,317 --> 00:39:35,757 is to beat all the other reporters in getting to the news. 742 00:39:37,157 --> 00:39:39,077 A friend of mine read 743 00:39:39,157 --> 00:39:43,997 that The Beatles were coming to stay with the Maharishi. 744 00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:46,557 And he said, "Saeed, do you know what it means? 745 00:39:46,637 --> 00:39:51,357 The whole world and its media is going to be here." 746 00:40:04,517 --> 00:40:06,397 The idea is to beat them. 747 00:40:06,477 --> 00:40:08,757 How do you beat them? 748 00:40:08,837 --> 00:40:13,677 "Ah," I said, "the idea is to become a disciple. 749 00:40:14,997 --> 00:40:18,117 If I become an insider, I'll get the story." 750 00:40:18,197 --> 00:40:21,237 So I walked in, you had to make some excuse 751 00:40:21,317 --> 00:40:22,877 if you're a drug addict, 752 00:40:22,957 --> 00:40:25,197 if you had failed, if you are a junkie, 753 00:40:25,277 --> 00:40:28,637 he whispered a mantra, a chant, in my ear, 754 00:40:31,197 --> 00:40:34,677 Which I'm not supposed to share with anybody. 755 00:40:34,757 --> 00:40:38,317 Then I went in, and again, and again, 756 00:40:38,397 --> 00:40:39,637 until all the sadhus 757 00:40:40,997 --> 00:40:43,477 who were going to be his managers recognise me. 758 00:40:43,557 --> 00:40:46,397 The password was jaguar will live, 759 00:40:46,477 --> 00:40:48,397 you said jaguar will live then you were in. 760 00:40:50,317 --> 00:40:55,197 From Hardwar, to Rishikesh, 761 00:40:56,757 --> 00:40:59,077 across Lakshman Jhula. 762 00:41:13,837 --> 00:41:16,397 I was taking aback. 763 00:41:16,477 --> 00:41:18,637 It was like a locust storm. 764 00:41:20,117 --> 00:41:23,957 Journalist, after journalist, after journalist, 765 00:41:24,037 --> 00:41:26,637 hundreds of them, "What's going on? 766 00:41:26,717 --> 00:41:28,837 They're not letting us in." 767 00:41:28,917 --> 00:41:30,837 I said, "They're not letting anybody in." 768 00:41:32,957 --> 00:41:35,437 Overnight, I went off to Rishikesh, 769 00:41:35,517 --> 00:41:38,557 with quite a few people from all over India. 770 00:41:38,637 --> 00:41:41,637 And it was very difficult to even know where The Beatles, 771 00:41:41,717 --> 00:41:44,517 where the ashram was, because it was so fortified. 772 00:41:44,597 --> 00:41:46,477 Fortified in the sense that, you know, 773 00:41:46,557 --> 00:41:47,797 there are a lot of police, 774 00:41:47,877 --> 00:41:49,757 there was a lot of bundobust in there. 775 00:41:49,837 --> 00:41:52,677 The whole day, we would just, early morning, wake up, 776 00:41:52,757 --> 00:41:56,157 somebody said, "Hey, The Beatles are coming to the Ganga." 777 00:41:56,237 --> 00:41:58,037 And so we'd all rush up there 778 00:41:58,117 --> 00:41:59,517 and wait there for two, three hours, 779 00:41:59,597 --> 00:42:01,197 but nothing would happen, you know. 780 00:42:01,277 --> 00:42:04,877 But it was like a celebration, it was like an exhibition, 781 00:42:04,957 --> 00:42:07,957 'cause, you know, there was so much of joy. 782 00:42:10,877 --> 00:42:14,117 One day, Maharishi called me in and he said, 783 00:42:14,197 --> 00:42:17,397 "The Beatles are gonna be arriving in a few days, 784 00:42:17,477 --> 00:42:20,917 but I want you to go fix up their rooms." 785 00:42:22,637 --> 00:42:26,717 They put me in charge to make their rooms nicer. 786 00:42:26,797 --> 00:42:28,437 I would have them paint this, 787 00:42:28,517 --> 00:42:30,117 they'd drop so much paint on the floor, 788 00:42:30,197 --> 00:42:32,037 then they'd have to paint the floor. 789 00:42:32,117 --> 00:42:34,357 Anyway, we had curtains put up. 790 00:42:34,437 --> 00:42:39,237 We had mirrors, we even had toilet fixtures that worked. 791 00:42:40,517 --> 00:42:41,877 They have mattresses on their beds. 792 00:42:43,557 --> 00:42:45,197 There's a fan club of real beetles 793 00:42:45,277 --> 00:42:47,157 waiting to welcome them, 794 00:42:47,237 --> 00:42:49,237 but the hardest thing about the life they lead here 795 00:42:49,317 --> 00:42:51,517 are the beds they'll sleep on. 796 00:42:51,597 --> 00:42:54,757 A hard wooden base, a simple, 797 00:42:54,837 --> 00:42:56,637 rather than a spartan existence. 798 00:43:00,117 --> 00:43:01,557 When they did arrive 799 00:43:01,637 --> 00:43:04,997 he introduced them to me and said to them, 800 00:43:05,077 --> 00:43:08,117 "If you want to anything, get a hold of Nancy. 801 00:43:08,197 --> 00:43:11,277 Nancy will be my ears and eyes in case you need anything, 802 00:43:11,357 --> 00:43:12,677 you let me know through her." 803 00:43:24,397 --> 00:43:29,157 So I found my way and I went to the gate and I said, 804 00:43:29,237 --> 00:43:30,277 "Jaguar will live." 805 00:43:30,357 --> 00:43:33,077 "Ah," they said. 806 00:43:33,157 --> 00:43:35,677 Oh, there was a hell of commotion outside. 807 00:43:35,757 --> 00:43:37,957 "How did this bastard get in?" 808 00:43:38,037 --> 00:43:41,637 I said, "I'm just a devotee of the Maharishi" 809 00:43:41,717 --> 00:43:45,877 So anyway, I entered and there under the tree, 810 00:43:45,957 --> 00:43:50,437 Maharishi, George, John Lennon, Paul, 811 00:43:50,517 --> 00:43:53,837 their respective ladies, a whole galaxy. 812 00:43:53,917 --> 00:43:55,757 I mean, I can't keep describing them. 813 00:43:55,837 --> 00:43:57,357 I need a photograph. 814 00:43:57,437 --> 00:43:58,517 So I called the sadhus. 815 00:43:59,917 --> 00:44:02,757 I said, "Look, I'm having difficulty 816 00:44:02,837 --> 00:44:05,157 managing this on my own, 817 00:44:05,237 --> 00:44:08,277 I immediately assumed the role of publicity manager 818 00:44:08,357 --> 00:44:10,117 for the Maharishi." 819 00:44:10,197 --> 00:44:12,557 So I said, "Here's a name, Raghu Rai. 820 00:44:12,637 --> 00:44:14,717 You go outside, call him in. 821 00:44:17,397 --> 00:44:20,037 This man came, who was from the ashram, 822 00:44:20,117 --> 00:44:23,357 and he says, "Mr. Naqvi wants to see you." 823 00:44:23,437 --> 00:44:25,237 I said, "Give me two minutes." 824 00:44:25,317 --> 00:44:29,557 So I went in, I put a big zoom lens on my camera 825 00:44:29,637 --> 00:44:32,237 and put it inside my labaada. 826 00:44:32,317 --> 00:44:37,037 So when I'm walking nobody can see if I'm carrying a camera. 827 00:44:37,117 --> 00:44:40,557 So I walked with him for about eight, 10 minutes. 828 00:44:40,637 --> 00:44:42,757 One sadhu was standing there. 829 00:44:42,837 --> 00:44:46,797 So he was standing next to him, so Saeed said, "Look there." 830 00:44:47,837 --> 00:44:48,997 I was shocked. 831 00:44:50,437 --> 00:44:51,637 Then I turned around 832 00:44:51,717 --> 00:44:54,957 and I saw that guy sadhu standing next to us. 833 00:44:55,037 --> 00:44:56,037 And I said. 834 00:45:00,197 --> 00:45:03,597 So he goes to get a glass of water for me, 835 00:45:03,677 --> 00:45:05,477 and Saeed says, "Hurry up, hurry up." 836 00:45:05,557 --> 00:45:07,117 In those days, 837 00:45:07,197 --> 00:45:10,357 we didn't have auto focus, auto exposure cameras, 838 00:45:10,437 --> 00:45:11,717 so you had to set the focus set 839 00:45:11,797 --> 00:45:14,077 and the exposure, everything. 840 00:45:14,157 --> 00:45:18,957 And I take just one picture, nicely focused and proper. 841 00:45:21,917 --> 00:45:25,157 Under the tree, Maharishi Yogi and The Beatles. 842 00:47:30,357 --> 00:47:33,597 See this building, this is the building where they lived. 843 00:47:33,677 --> 00:47:37,597 This room, I'll show you this side, 844 00:47:37,677 --> 00:47:40,797 this is the room of John Lennon. 845 00:47:40,877 --> 00:47:42,397 John Lennon stayed here. 846 00:47:42,477 --> 00:47:45,757 Other Beatles were staying in these rooms, 847 00:47:45,837 --> 00:47:48,677 along with their wives and family. 848 00:47:54,637 --> 00:47:57,557 So when Beatles came, I was a little kid. 849 00:47:57,637 --> 00:48:01,157 We were enjoying the whole atmosphere and the jungles 850 00:48:01,237 --> 00:48:04,277 and Beatles and the Maharishi, we were very close. 851 00:48:04,357 --> 00:48:06,677 We never find he's a celebrity, or some big thing, 852 00:48:06,757 --> 00:48:07,957 we should not go near him. 853 00:48:09,237 --> 00:48:11,277 So this was the place where Maharishi 854 00:48:11,357 --> 00:48:13,797 used to converse with Beatles and guests. 855 00:48:13,877 --> 00:48:18,557 Straight we can see River Ganga, clear water and forest. 856 00:48:18,637 --> 00:48:21,757 There was a raised platform, rectangular shape. 857 00:48:21,837 --> 00:48:24,957 It was used for posing with the visitors and Beatles 858 00:48:25,037 --> 00:48:26,597 for the group photographs. 859 00:49:09,317 --> 00:49:11,237 Maharishi's disciples can wander in peace 860 00:49:11,317 --> 00:49:14,117 amongst the trees and bungalows, 861 00:49:14,197 --> 00:49:17,477 or meditate in some quiet spot overlooking the Ganges. 862 00:49:18,837 --> 00:49:20,677 He doesn't require you to give anything up 863 00:49:20,757 --> 00:49:22,997 except drugs and a week's salary, 864 00:49:23,077 --> 00:49:25,637 in The Beatles case around 11,000 pounds a piece. 865 00:49:27,797 --> 00:49:29,013 What exactly have you been doing, 866 00:49:29,037 --> 00:49:30,037 how do you meditate? 867 00:49:30,117 --> 00:49:32,077 You sit down, you relax, 868 00:49:32,157 --> 00:49:36,157 and then you repeat a sound to yourself, and it sounds daft, 869 00:49:36,237 --> 00:49:39,517 but it's just a system of relaxation and that's all it is, 870 00:49:39,597 --> 00:49:41,037 and there's nothing more to it. 871 00:49:42,677 --> 00:49:46,317 By expanding the conscious capacity of the mind, 872 00:49:46,397 --> 00:49:48,237 mental capacity will be stronger, 873 00:49:48,317 --> 00:49:50,077 thought power will be great, 874 00:49:50,157 --> 00:49:51,917 and when the thought power great, 875 00:49:51,997 --> 00:49:55,237 then the thought will find their fulfilment more easily. 876 00:49:57,597 --> 00:50:01,557 You go into do those interstellar spaces, 877 00:50:01,637 --> 00:50:05,437 where the spaces ultimately shrink into your being. 878 00:50:05,517 --> 00:50:10,277 Now, this gibberish goes on and on and on relentlessly, 879 00:50:12,157 --> 00:50:15,997 and you have these people close their eyes. 880 00:50:16,077 --> 00:50:20,197 And the more unintelligible it gets, 881 00:50:20,277 --> 00:50:24,717 the more profoundly affected they pretend to be. 882 00:50:24,797 --> 00:50:29,557 Because, I can't really imagine anyone being moved by words 883 00:50:29,637 --> 00:50:34,317 which are patently and absolutely absurd. 884 00:50:34,397 --> 00:50:36,517 His lectures were in the nature 885 00:50:36,597 --> 00:50:39,957 of this kind of arcane nonsense. 886 00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:44,157 Nothing succeeds like success, and it succeeded. 887 00:50:44,237 --> 00:50:45,477 Are you a business man? 888 00:50:45,557 --> 00:50:49,397 I don't deal with money directly, 889 00:50:49,477 --> 00:50:52,197 but I'm conducting the movement in 50 countries. 890 00:50:52,277 --> 00:50:54,237 I can't be said to be no businessman, 891 00:50:54,317 --> 00:50:56,077 even though I'm not dealing with money. 892 00:50:57,917 --> 00:51:00,917 I was a young girl, 21 or 22, 893 00:51:00,997 --> 00:51:03,957 so there I was in this beautiful ashram, 894 00:51:04,037 --> 00:51:07,117 I was taken to meet the Maharishi. 895 00:51:07,197 --> 00:51:11,197 He asked me to come close to him, I did, too close in fact. 896 00:51:11,277 --> 00:51:14,357 He said, I'm going to whisper something in your ear, 897 00:51:14,437 --> 00:51:16,637 the mantra, then he said, 898 00:51:16,717 --> 00:51:19,717 "I want you to go down into my prayer room, 899 00:51:19,797 --> 00:51:22,037 and I want you to concentrate upon that mantra 900 00:51:22,117 --> 00:51:24,677 You're going to feel like a new person." 901 00:51:26,357 --> 00:51:29,477 And I actually believed that this was going to happen to me. 902 00:51:31,117 --> 00:51:35,077 It was a dark room and there was some incense burning 903 00:51:35,157 --> 00:51:37,757 and there was some things hanging on the wall. 904 00:51:37,837 --> 00:51:39,917 And I started repeating the mantra. 905 00:51:39,997 --> 00:51:40,997 I repeated it, 906 00:51:42,197 --> 00:51:44,397 and the only feeling that I remember 907 00:51:44,477 --> 00:51:47,797 there was this intense desire to escape from that place. 908 00:51:49,077 --> 00:51:52,157 I went near the Maharishi and he said, 909 00:51:52,237 --> 00:51:54,357 "How do you feel my daughter? 910 00:51:54,437 --> 00:51:56,677 Do you feel like a different person?" 911 00:51:56,757 --> 00:51:58,637 I said, "Actually I don't." 912 00:51:58,717 --> 00:52:02,117 He looked at me and he said, 913 00:52:02,197 --> 00:52:03,837 "I going to whisper another mantra." 914 00:52:05,637 --> 00:52:08,277 "Back you go, repeat that mantra. 915 00:52:08,357 --> 00:52:10,237 You might have to spend a little longer." 916 00:52:11,477 --> 00:52:13,277 By now, I was in control. 917 00:52:14,437 --> 00:52:16,717 I repeated the mantra, 918 00:52:16,797 --> 00:52:19,557 and within half an hour I came upstairs. 919 00:52:19,637 --> 00:52:21,957 I gave him a glorious account 920 00:52:22,037 --> 00:52:25,357 of how I felt like a totally new human being. 921 00:52:25,437 --> 00:52:27,477 I felt like a different person all together. 922 00:52:28,477 --> 00:52:30,317 That was the only way to escape. 923 00:52:30,397 --> 00:52:33,077 And I walked out into freedom. 924 00:52:38,557 --> 00:52:40,997 Maharishi really influenced 925 00:52:41,077 --> 00:52:44,677 The Beatles songs and lyrics tremendously, 926 00:52:44,757 --> 00:52:46,477 starting with "Across The Universe" 927 00:52:46,557 --> 00:52:50,597 which is written right after The Beatles learned meditation. 928 00:52:50,677 --> 00:52:53,797 In that song, it says "jai guru deva," 929 00:52:53,877 --> 00:52:57,117 and Maharishi used to use that expression all the time. 930 00:52:57,197 --> 00:53:00,557 Now once more. 931 00:53:04,277 --> 00:53:06,477 It is in praise of the guru. 932 00:53:06,557 --> 00:53:10,237 So John Lennon put that into the song, jai guru deva. 933 00:53:10,317 --> 00:53:13,597 And then he said, "om," and om is the primordial sound 934 00:53:13,677 --> 00:53:16,157 that underlies and gives rise to the universe. 935 00:53:21,397 --> 00:53:23,157 Just the exposure to mantras, I mean, 936 00:53:23,237 --> 00:53:24,893 the idea was a repetitious sound could create 937 00:53:24,917 --> 00:53:26,557 an altered state of consciousness 938 00:53:26,637 --> 00:53:28,557 and you get it in, "Hello, Goodbye," 939 00:53:28,637 --> 00:53:30,077 you get in goo goo g'joob. 940 00:53:30,157 --> 00:53:32,997 Repetitious sounds creeping into their songs, 941 00:53:33,077 --> 00:53:34,557 whether deliberately or not. 942 00:55:17,157 --> 00:55:18,677 I lived for three days in a cottage 943 00:55:18,757 --> 00:55:20,237 at a camp in Rishikesh, 944 00:55:20,317 --> 00:55:22,997 just a hundred yards from The Beatles. 945 00:55:23,077 --> 00:55:25,757 I remember sitting around a bonfire at night 946 00:55:25,837 --> 00:55:28,877 with The Beatles, and Mike Love of The Beach Boys, 947 00:55:28,957 --> 00:55:32,157 And Donovan, and others singing and playing the guitar. 948 00:55:33,757 --> 00:55:36,597 It was a cold, cold evening, and at some point 949 00:55:36,677 --> 00:55:39,957 I muttered to the person next to me, "I'm freezing." 950 00:55:40,037 --> 00:55:42,397 A man seated just ahead of me, 951 00:55:42,477 --> 00:55:46,197 wrapped in a huge brown grey blanket heard me. 952 00:55:46,277 --> 00:55:50,357 He said, "Move up, love, come and share my blanket with me." 953 00:55:50,437 --> 00:55:52,397 It was George Harrison. 954 00:55:52,477 --> 00:55:53,757 I should have said yes, 955 00:55:53,837 --> 00:55:56,077 but by then I had successfully cultivated 956 00:55:56,157 --> 00:55:57,917 an air of nonchalance 957 00:55:57,997 --> 00:56:01,677 and looked at George like he was a nobody and replied, 958 00:56:01,757 --> 00:56:04,557 "No, thanks, George, I'm fine." 959 00:56:04,637 --> 00:56:07,917 Four regrettable words that I could never take back, 960 00:56:09,157 --> 00:56:11,717 and that have haunted me all my life 961 00:56:11,797 --> 00:56:13,797 for what could have been, but never was. 962 00:56:17,357 --> 00:56:22,237 The person who was actually sincere about meditation, 963 00:56:22,317 --> 00:56:27,077 about Indian culture, Indian music was George Harrison. 964 00:56:28,437 --> 00:56:31,357 Maharishi said of all The Beatles, 965 00:56:31,437 --> 00:56:34,917 George is the most advanced, and this is his last life. 966 00:56:36,237 --> 00:56:38,357 George wanted to understand 967 00:56:38,437 --> 00:56:41,397 why he was chosen to be famous. 968 00:56:41,477 --> 00:56:44,957 He found curious that he, a boy from Liverpool 969 00:56:45,037 --> 00:56:47,557 who otherwise would have had a very menial job, 970 00:56:47,637 --> 00:56:50,437 was selected and was famous. 971 00:56:50,517 --> 00:56:52,597 And he wants to know the answer. 972 00:56:55,037 --> 00:56:57,117 Really the only reason to be living 973 00:56:57,197 --> 00:57:00,237 is to have complete full knowledge, 974 00:57:00,317 --> 00:57:02,117 full bliss consciousness. 975 00:57:02,197 --> 00:57:05,517 Everything else is just mundane and secondary. 976 00:57:05,597 --> 00:57:07,397 The purpose is to transcend 977 00:57:07,477 --> 00:57:09,757 from this relative state of consciousness 978 00:57:09,837 --> 00:57:11,677 to an absolute state of consciousness. 979 00:57:14,357 --> 00:57:19,117 Maharishi said, John Lennon has many more lives to go, 980 00:57:20,797 --> 00:57:23,237 and he must not give into his weakness for women, 981 00:57:23,317 --> 00:57:24,797 or it will ruin him. 982 00:57:26,117 --> 00:57:27,637 Keeping company with himself, 983 00:57:27,717 --> 00:57:29,357 it could be part of the treatment, 984 00:57:29,437 --> 00:57:31,117 John stalked along the shady paths. 985 00:57:33,437 --> 00:57:36,037 John Lennon when he first arrived, he was grey, 986 00:57:36,117 --> 00:57:38,837 he'd been heavily into drugs, he just looked awful. 987 00:57:38,917 --> 00:57:41,037 And then little by little, 988 00:57:41,117 --> 00:57:43,197 you saw the change that came over this man, 989 00:57:43,277 --> 00:57:46,357 he had pink cheeks, he started to be very sociable, 990 00:57:46,437 --> 00:57:49,237 he was out playing his guitar, chatting with other people, 991 00:57:49,317 --> 00:57:50,957 and he was having such a lovely time. 992 00:57:52,797 --> 00:57:54,317 Meditation worked all right, you know, 993 00:57:54,397 --> 00:57:57,037 you can handle each day better 994 00:57:57,117 --> 00:57:58,717 than I could handle it before. 995 00:57:58,797 --> 00:58:01,277 I was mediating 8 hours a day and things like that. 996 00:58:01,357 --> 00:58:04,557 And it was really some trip, like acid was nowhere. 997 00:58:04,637 --> 00:58:07,277 Just sitting there just muttering some word in a room, 998 00:58:07,357 --> 00:58:09,517 that's the biggest trip I've ever had in life. 999 00:58:11,877 --> 00:58:15,477 Ringo is always in meditation, 1000 00:58:15,557 --> 00:58:17,957 and he goes by feeling and heart. 1001 00:58:18,037 --> 00:58:21,637 Whereas the other Beatles too much brain is in the way. 1002 00:58:23,597 --> 00:58:25,517 Ringo enjoyed a peace of togetherness 1003 00:58:25,597 --> 00:58:28,877 with Mrs. Ringo, it was a very peaceful scene. 1004 00:58:28,957 --> 00:58:30,677 Ringo Starr, two or three days, 1005 00:58:30,757 --> 00:58:33,037 he sees all this and he declares, 1006 00:58:33,117 --> 00:58:37,877 "It's like a Butlin holiday camp," and disappears, he left. 1007 00:58:38,877 --> 00:58:40,597 And then there were three. 1008 00:58:42,117 --> 00:58:43,797 Ringo and his wife, Maureen, 1009 00:58:43,877 --> 00:58:46,357 stayed at the ashram for 10 days. 1010 00:58:46,437 --> 00:58:49,957 Ringo's allergies cause problems with the ashram food. 1011 00:58:50,037 --> 00:58:51,397 He was allergic to so many things 1012 00:58:51,477 --> 00:58:53,997 that he took two suitcases to India. 1013 00:58:54,077 --> 00:58:56,837 One had his clothes and the other one 1014 00:58:56,917 --> 00:58:59,477 was stuffed with cans of Heinz beans. 1015 00:59:01,077 --> 00:59:03,837 But the primary reason that Ringo and Maureen left 1016 00:59:03,917 --> 00:59:06,637 is because they missed their kids. 1017 00:59:06,717 --> 00:59:08,797 Maharishi, I thank him, you know, 1018 00:59:08,877 --> 00:59:10,973 all the time I thank him for giving me what it gave me. 1019 00:59:10,997 --> 00:59:12,397 So I'm glad I've got it 1020 00:59:12,477 --> 00:59:14,357 in case I ever wanna go into it again, 1021 00:59:14,437 --> 00:59:16,357 you know, you can't lose, if you learn something. 1022 00:59:32,637 --> 00:59:35,397 Maharishi wanted to take them off on a trip 1023 00:59:35,477 --> 00:59:37,317 to the Himalayas. 1024 00:59:37,397 --> 00:59:40,677 A company, Ganja's Helicopter Services. 1025 00:59:45,077 --> 00:59:47,317 I'd always wanted to become a pilot. 1026 00:59:48,597 --> 00:59:50,397 I became the chief pilot for the Maharishi. 1027 00:59:51,957 --> 00:59:55,797 And I flew everybody, including the prime minister, 1028 00:59:55,877 --> 01:00:00,557 and Mahatma Gandhi also, and The Beatles. 1029 01:00:00,637 --> 01:00:02,117 Paul kept on saying, "Me, me, me," 1030 01:00:02,197 --> 01:00:03,597 because he wanted to get in. 1031 01:00:03,677 --> 01:00:05,277 And John said, "No, me, me, me." 1032 01:00:05,357 --> 01:00:08,637 And anyway, finally, John just pushed him aside and went in. 1033 01:00:10,277 --> 01:00:13,157 I'm flying John on my left and the Maharishi on my right. 1034 01:00:13,237 --> 01:00:16,037 And the Maharishi lent across me, 1035 01:00:16,117 --> 01:00:19,077 as you know, he had a lot of hair and beard, 1036 01:00:19,157 --> 01:00:21,277 it was difficult for me to fly the helicopter. 1037 01:00:22,717 --> 01:00:25,837 He was telling John down there in the mountains, 1038 01:00:25,917 --> 01:00:29,157 people lived there, they never went down to the valleys, 1039 01:00:29,237 --> 01:00:31,237 and they're praying all the time. 1040 01:00:31,317 --> 01:00:33,437 So John said, "What are they're praying for?" 1041 01:00:33,517 --> 01:00:36,197 So the Maharishi said "They are praying that we crash." 1042 01:00:36,277 --> 01:00:38,637 And John said, "Goodness, why do they want us to crash?" 1043 01:00:38,717 --> 01:00:40,717 They said, "Well, they're on the mountaintop 1044 01:00:40,797 --> 01:00:43,197 with hardly any food. 1045 01:00:43,277 --> 01:00:46,477 And I'm in Rishikesh with all the celebrities there, 1046 01:00:46,557 --> 01:00:48,157 and all the money in the world." 1047 01:00:48,237 --> 01:00:52,397 So John said, "Maharishi, if you don't move 1048 01:00:52,477 --> 01:00:56,797 your head and hair their prayers will be answered." 1049 01:00:56,877 --> 01:01:00,717 And of course, I started laughing and everybody did. 1050 01:01:00,797 --> 01:01:02,117 He had a sense of humour. 1051 01:01:22,597 --> 01:01:26,997 They were visiting Dehradun, George, John, and Paul. 1052 01:01:27,077 --> 01:01:29,437 He said this Saturday, 1053 01:01:29,517 --> 01:01:32,717 they're having celebration in the ashram 1054 01:01:32,797 --> 01:01:37,157 to celebrate the birth of George Harrison wife. 1055 01:01:37,237 --> 01:01:41,037 If I could could bring some other musicians along with me, 1056 01:01:41,117 --> 01:01:42,677 they'll be very happy. 1057 01:01:42,757 --> 01:01:45,597 So I said, I told them, "Okay, I can arrange it." 1058 01:01:51,957 --> 01:01:55,237 So we all sat down, Maharishi gave us a lecture, 1059 01:01:55,317 --> 01:01:57,397 and then I was asked to play. 1060 01:01:57,477 --> 01:01:59,757 There was a composition with George Harrison, 1061 01:01:59,837 --> 01:02:04,037 "With In, Without You," which was based on Dhrag Jhug, 1062 01:02:04,117 --> 01:02:06,597 so I decided to play that. 1063 01:02:06,677 --> 01:02:09,077 And then George was excited about it. 1064 01:02:10,757 --> 01:02:12,757 And I smiled at him, he smiled and he waved at me. 1065 01:02:14,317 --> 01:02:17,877 At that time, Nick sang with me, 1066 01:02:17,957 --> 01:02:20,837 and Nick was just a visiting teacher. 1067 01:02:20,917 --> 01:02:23,157 Now tell me where did that famous photo of us? 1068 01:02:23,237 --> 01:02:25,037 Was it in the middle or was it over here? 1069 01:02:25,117 --> 01:02:26,117 Here? 1070 01:02:26,157 --> 01:02:27,357 Okay. 1071 01:02:27,437 --> 01:02:28,797 - In this area, in this wall. - Okay. 1072 01:02:32,717 --> 01:02:35,797 I have such vivid memories of that birthday party 1073 01:02:35,877 --> 01:02:39,477 where so much music was played, so much glamour. 1074 01:02:39,557 --> 01:02:42,597 Pattie Harrison there in her mauve sari. 1075 01:02:42,677 --> 01:02:45,357 Part of our mission was to bring her 1076 01:02:45,437 --> 01:02:48,917 George Harrison's birthday present to her, the dilruba. 1077 01:02:48,997 --> 01:02:51,597 It was so relaxed coming from Britain. 1078 01:02:51,677 --> 01:02:56,077 The Beatles were impossible to see or touch or reach, 1079 01:02:56,157 --> 01:02:58,437 and here it was a completely different atmosphere. 1080 01:03:00,037 --> 01:03:03,037 They were absolutely natural, all the musicians there. 1081 01:03:03,117 --> 01:03:07,837 I think I spoke to Donovan, Mike Love, Paul Horn, 1082 01:03:07,917 --> 01:03:11,237 and of course, Paul McCartney, Jane Asher, John Lennon, 1083 01:03:11,317 --> 01:03:12,997 I don't think I spoke to George Harrison 1084 01:03:13,077 --> 01:03:16,197 because he was so tied up in both the occasion 1085 01:03:16,277 --> 01:03:19,077 of his wife's birthday and also the music. 1086 01:03:19,157 --> 01:03:22,477 He really was playing music and enjoying music 1087 01:03:22,557 --> 01:03:25,077 and absorbing Indian music. 1088 01:03:25,157 --> 01:03:27,797 There was no pretence about it. He was completely hooked. 1089 01:03:30,557 --> 01:03:33,917 The music started off being very Indian 1090 01:03:33,997 --> 01:03:36,477 and played on Indian instruments, 1091 01:03:36,557 --> 01:03:39,917 but then you could say it deteriorated into a birthday party 1092 01:03:39,997 --> 01:03:41,797 with the "Happy Birthday" song, 1093 01:03:41,877 --> 01:03:45,917 and the British national anthem for some curious reason. 1094 01:03:45,997 --> 01:03:49,837 As the evening went on and perhaps people got a bit fidgety, 1095 01:03:49,917 --> 01:03:52,117 we went outside and enjoyed fireworks. 1096 01:03:52,197 --> 01:03:53,717 Of course, I went away feeling 1097 01:03:53,797 --> 01:03:56,597 that perhaps the meditation was all a bit of a lark, 1098 01:03:56,677 --> 01:03:59,237 because they enjoyed themselves so much in the evening. 1099 01:04:02,437 --> 01:04:05,317 George Harrison was thinking 1100 01:04:05,397 --> 01:04:08,797 mostly of playing better, serious music, 1101 01:04:08,877 --> 01:04:10,837 which belonged to the world. 1102 01:04:10,917 --> 01:04:13,797 But John Lennon was a serious human being. 1103 01:04:13,877 --> 01:04:15,837 He was not very talkative, 1104 01:04:15,917 --> 01:04:18,637 but he's thinking was very beautiful. 1105 01:04:18,717 --> 01:04:22,717 So I was slightly more fascinated by John. 1106 01:04:25,597 --> 01:04:28,357 I think they gave me so much respect, you know. 1107 01:04:28,437 --> 01:04:30,797 They treated me very well, they called me, sir. 1108 01:04:30,877 --> 01:04:33,717 And I was feeling strange, you know. 1109 01:04:33,797 --> 01:04:35,837 I told them, "Don't call me, sir, no no no." 1110 01:04:37,917 --> 01:04:40,077 They could not have seen me at all, 1111 01:04:40,157 --> 01:04:42,957 there was no need for what they did. 1112 01:04:43,037 --> 01:04:45,877 Success had not gone to the head, you know. 1113 01:04:45,957 --> 01:04:47,917 They were simple human beings. 1114 01:04:52,117 --> 01:04:53,317 We came up the path here, 1115 01:04:53,397 --> 01:04:55,797 we were killing time and The Beatles meantime 1116 01:04:55,877 --> 01:04:57,837 had come back to their bungalow 1117 01:04:57,917 --> 01:04:59,917 and they were on the roof, not just The Beatles, 1118 01:04:59,997 --> 01:05:01,637 but many of the musicians were on the roof 1119 01:05:01,677 --> 01:05:03,997 of the bungalow playing music. 1120 01:05:04,077 --> 01:05:07,677 And it's the most memorable thing of my day here, 1121 01:05:07,757 --> 01:05:09,317 was hearing this music, 1122 01:05:09,397 --> 01:05:11,277 which was of course unrecorded music, 1123 01:05:11,357 --> 01:05:15,157 it was just being created at that time. 1124 01:05:15,237 --> 01:05:16,797 And we felt we were in the, you know, 1125 01:05:16,877 --> 01:05:18,677 witnessing the first time round, 1126 01:05:18,757 --> 01:05:20,557 the first version of this music. 1127 01:05:34,957 --> 01:05:37,877 The word was coming to the Maharishi 1128 01:05:37,957 --> 01:05:40,837 that they had suspended their meditations 1129 01:05:40,917 --> 01:05:44,477 and that they were sitting and composing music and things. 1130 01:05:46,117 --> 01:05:48,037 We were there for about six weeks, 1131 01:05:48,117 --> 01:05:52,477 and during that time was no pressure from the outside world. 1132 01:05:52,557 --> 01:05:55,117 There was no pressure of them being Beatles, 1133 01:05:55,197 --> 01:05:57,997 and their creative juices just overflowed. 1134 01:05:59,397 --> 01:06:02,157 They wrote all the songs from "The White Album." 1135 01:06:02,237 --> 01:06:04,997 They worked out gradually what they wanted us to do 1136 01:06:05,077 --> 01:06:07,477 for the rest of their time as Beatles. 1137 01:06:09,557 --> 01:06:10,853 Other than when they're we in the studio, 1138 01:06:10,877 --> 01:06:12,797 they didn't get to spend a lot of time together 1139 01:06:12,877 --> 01:06:14,557 So in India, they were suddenly together 1140 01:06:14,637 --> 01:06:16,357 like sort of mates again. 1141 01:06:16,437 --> 01:06:19,797 So they could sit out and play in the way that John and Paul 1142 01:06:19,877 --> 01:06:22,957 used to play in the council house where Paul had grown up. 1143 01:06:24,877 --> 01:06:27,197 And you've got Mike Love from The Beach Boys is there 1144 01:06:27,277 --> 01:06:29,877 so they've got that whole tributary of American music 1145 01:06:29,957 --> 01:06:31,237 that had influenced them, 1146 01:06:31,317 --> 01:06:33,277 and Donovan with this kind of folk tradition 1147 01:06:33,357 --> 01:06:35,997 and Paul Horn, who was a jazz flautist, he was there too, 1148 01:06:36,077 --> 01:06:37,997 so you've got a lot of interesting, 1149 01:06:38,077 --> 01:06:39,517 sort of, streams coming in. 1150 01:06:44,157 --> 01:06:45,717 I'll show you the stairs here. 1151 01:06:47,397 --> 01:06:50,557 They'd sit here on these stairs. 1152 01:06:50,637 --> 01:06:53,237 There here was bamboo structure here, 1153 01:06:53,317 --> 01:06:55,037 as a fence, those days. 1154 01:06:55,117 --> 01:06:57,357 They'd come and they'd make new song there, 1155 01:06:57,437 --> 01:07:00,397 staying here, sitting on the stairs. 1156 01:07:00,477 --> 01:07:03,557 And that side, Prudence were living, 1157 01:07:03,637 --> 01:07:08,037 Maharishi told her to be inside, stay with their practises. 1158 01:07:10,157 --> 01:07:14,917 Mia Farrow's sister Prudence way ahead of anybody else. 1159 01:07:16,237 --> 01:07:18,357 As soon as she entered her thing, 1160 01:07:18,437 --> 01:07:23,237 she went into meditation and she has not emerged, 1161 01:07:24,077 --> 01:07:26,477 it's already 24 hours. 1162 01:07:26,557 --> 01:07:27,837 So she's serious. 1163 01:07:29,077 --> 01:07:31,837 They would invite her outside. 1164 01:07:31,917 --> 01:07:34,557 "Hello, Prudence, come out, come out, Prudence." 1165 01:07:34,637 --> 01:07:35,877 And she won't come. 1166 01:07:35,957 --> 01:07:38,917 And then they made a song, "Dear Prudence." 1167 01:07:42,477 --> 01:07:44,117 I think one that's kind of interesting 1168 01:07:44,197 --> 01:07:48,317 is when I came back from a tiger hunt with my eldest son, 1169 01:07:48,397 --> 01:07:51,237 when we came walking in, he said to Maharishi, 1170 01:07:51,317 --> 01:07:55,517 "I shot a tiger today, is that bad karma?" 1171 01:07:55,597 --> 01:07:58,517 Sitting there observing this was John Lennon, 1172 01:07:58,597 --> 01:08:00,637 and John said, "Don't you call that 1173 01:08:00,717 --> 01:08:02,597 slightly life destructive?" 1174 01:08:02,677 --> 01:08:04,997 And I said, "It was the tiger or us." 1175 01:08:08,317 --> 01:08:10,597 Maharishi glared at Nancy the whole time 1176 01:08:10,677 --> 01:08:12,317 they were talking about it. 1177 01:08:12,397 --> 01:08:15,717 Life destruction is life destruction, end of story. 1178 01:08:15,797 --> 01:08:17,717 That's how the song, 1179 01:08:17,797 --> 01:08:21,677 "The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill" originated. 1180 01:08:21,757 --> 01:08:25,637 It was John's answer to Nancy's paltry excuse. 1181 01:08:27,717 --> 01:08:29,077 Because Mike Love was there 1182 01:08:29,157 --> 01:08:30,517 and they knew The Beach Boys music, 1183 01:08:30,597 --> 01:08:32,997 it was this kind of friendly rivalry 1184 01:08:33,077 --> 01:08:34,477 of them wanting to top each other. 1185 01:08:34,557 --> 01:08:35,837 But "Back in the U.S.S.R." 1186 01:08:35,917 --> 01:08:38,037 Is just like a parody of a Beach Boys song, 1187 01:08:38,117 --> 01:08:40,557 but instead of being about the USA, it's about Russia, 1188 01:08:40,637 --> 01:08:42,757 and it was a very novel idea at the time 1189 01:08:42,837 --> 01:08:44,277 to think of a rock and roll song 1190 01:08:44,357 --> 01:08:46,133 that appeared to be celebrating Russian culture 1191 01:08:46,157 --> 01:08:47,877 and had all these Russian names 1192 01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:49,797 and Russian places being mentioned. 1193 01:08:53,157 --> 01:08:54,477 Opposition members today 1194 01:08:54,557 --> 01:08:57,997 demanded in inquiry into Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 1195 01:08:58,077 --> 01:09:01,797 Alleging that Rishikesh have become a centre of conspirage. 1196 01:09:01,877 --> 01:09:03,997 The issue was raised by Mr. K. Anirudhan 1197 01:09:04,077 --> 01:09:07,517 after a radio transmitter was found on a bus 1198 01:09:07,597 --> 01:09:10,237 near the antibiotics factory in Rishikesh 1199 01:09:10,317 --> 01:09:12,917 belonging to a foreigner. 1200 01:09:12,997 --> 01:09:15,557 The furor broke out in parliament. 1201 01:09:15,637 --> 01:09:18,997 It was led by the communist, backed by the socialists, 1202 01:09:19,077 --> 01:09:23,757 and they said that there was a CIA camp in the ashram, 1203 01:09:23,837 --> 01:09:26,597 and the Maharishi were getting all these foreigners, 1204 01:09:26,677 --> 01:09:29,517 including The Beatles, to destabilise India. 1205 01:09:31,717 --> 01:09:35,477 I give the CIA total credit for sponsoring 1206 01:09:35,557 --> 01:09:38,837 and initiating the entire consciousness movement, 1207 01:09:38,917 --> 01:09:41,637 counterculture events of the 1960s. 1208 01:09:43,437 --> 01:09:46,957 This was exactly the time when Indira Gandhi 1209 01:09:47,037 --> 01:09:49,037 was making friends with the Soviet Union. 1210 01:09:51,997 --> 01:09:53,557 Today we're going to show you a cases 1211 01:09:53,637 --> 01:09:55,557 of attempted espionage by agents 1212 01:09:55,637 --> 01:09:58,677 of the Sino-Soviet Intelligence System. 1213 01:09:58,757 --> 01:10:02,557 If you recognise the way a Sino or Soviet agent operates, 1214 01:10:02,637 --> 01:10:05,757 both in finding someone vulnerable to subversion, 1215 01:10:05,837 --> 01:10:08,317 as well as in their technique of ensnaring him 1216 01:10:08,397 --> 01:10:10,557 and applying pressure to get him to play ball. 1217 01:10:12,157 --> 01:10:16,757 The KGB sent their top man in India, Bezmenov, 1218 01:10:16,837 --> 01:10:19,517 to the ashram to check out the Maharishi. 1219 01:10:21,837 --> 01:10:23,197 My function was to discover 1220 01:10:23,277 --> 01:10:26,717 what kind of people attend this school. 1221 01:10:26,797 --> 01:10:30,477 Yes, there are some influential opinion makers 1222 01:10:30,557 --> 01:10:32,317 who come back with the crazy stories 1223 01:10:32,397 --> 01:10:34,037 about Indian philosophy. 1224 01:10:35,797 --> 01:10:38,837 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a great spiritual leader, 1225 01:10:38,917 --> 01:10:41,157 or maybe a great charlatan and crook, 1226 01:10:41,237 --> 01:10:43,757 depending from which side you're looking at him. 1227 01:10:43,837 --> 01:10:47,197 Beatles were trained at his ashram, Mia Farrow, 1228 01:10:47,277 --> 01:10:51,117 and other useful idiots from Hollywood visited his school, 1229 01:10:51,197 --> 01:10:53,357 and they returned back to the United States, 1230 01:10:53,437 --> 01:10:56,197 absolutely zonked out of their minds with marijuana, 1231 01:10:56,277 --> 01:10:59,037 hashish and crazy ideas of meditation. 1232 01:11:01,077 --> 01:11:02,837 Maharishi used to always say, 1233 01:11:02,917 --> 01:11:06,477 "You can never create peace through signing treaties, 1234 01:11:06,557 --> 01:11:10,757 through legislation, through any kind of external means. 1235 01:11:10,837 --> 01:11:12,557 The only way to create world peace 1236 01:11:12,637 --> 01:11:15,437 is for people to meditate." 1237 01:11:15,517 --> 01:11:16,757 See, if you carefully look 1238 01:11:16,837 --> 01:11:19,157 at what Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is teaching, 1239 01:11:19,237 --> 01:11:21,117 is that most of the problems, 1240 01:11:21,197 --> 01:11:23,557 most of the burning issues of today, 1241 01:11:23,637 --> 01:11:26,597 can be solved simply by meditating. 1242 01:11:26,677 --> 01:11:30,397 Don't rock the boat, don't get involved, 1243 01:11:30,477 --> 01:11:33,117 just sit down, look at your navel and meditate, 1244 01:11:33,197 --> 01:11:35,757 and things, due to some strange logic, 1245 01:11:35,837 --> 01:11:39,997 due to cosmic vibration will settle down by themselves. 1246 01:11:41,557 --> 01:11:46,237 The single aim of spiritually regenerating every man 1247 01:11:46,317 --> 01:11:49,437 everywhere in the world, and creating peace. 1248 01:11:52,357 --> 01:11:54,077 You can get control of yourself 1249 01:11:54,157 --> 01:11:56,077 just by sitting quietly, 1250 01:11:56,157 --> 01:12:00,677 and by turning off from the external problems we have, 1251 01:12:00,757 --> 01:12:02,637 and all this society, 1252 01:12:02,717 --> 01:12:04,797 you can go inside yourself 1253 01:12:04,877 --> 01:12:06,637 where it's always calm and peaceful. 1254 01:12:07,957 --> 01:12:09,957 This is exactly what the KGB 1255 01:12:10,037 --> 01:12:11,997 and Marxist Lenin's propaganda want, 1256 01:12:12,077 --> 01:12:15,277 to distract their attention and mental energy 1257 01:12:15,357 --> 01:12:20,117 from real issues into non-issues, into non-existent harmony. 1258 01:12:21,637 --> 01:12:23,917 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi obviously is not on the payroll 1259 01:12:23,997 --> 01:12:27,637 of the KGB, but whether he knows it or not, 1260 01:12:27,717 --> 01:12:28,957 he contributes greatly 1261 01:12:29,037 --> 01:12:31,437 to demoralisation of American society. 1262 01:12:39,357 --> 01:12:42,437 Paul McCartney and his girlfriend, Jane Asher, 1263 01:12:42,517 --> 01:12:44,957 stayed for five weeks and they left 1264 01:12:45,037 --> 01:12:48,397 because Jane had a theatrical commitment back in London. 1265 01:12:50,797 --> 01:12:51,677 This presumably 1266 01:12:51,757 --> 01:12:53,677 is your first big meditation, 1267 01:12:53,757 --> 01:12:56,037 and what effect has it had on you? 1268 01:12:56,117 --> 01:12:57,677 I think it calms you down. 1269 01:12:57,757 --> 01:12:59,237 It's hard to tell 1270 01:12:59,317 --> 01:13:01,357 because it was so different life out there. 1271 01:13:01,437 --> 01:13:03,037 It'd be easy to tell now that I'm back 1272 01:13:03,117 --> 01:13:04,877 and we're doing some ordinary thing 1273 01:13:04,957 --> 01:13:06,877 to see just what it does. 1274 01:13:09,557 --> 01:13:12,517 They were four working class guys from Liverpool. 1275 01:13:12,597 --> 01:13:16,237 They had an innate sense of not being taken advantage of. 1276 01:13:16,317 --> 01:13:17,957 So when they get together with Maharishi, 1277 01:13:18,037 --> 01:13:21,717 Maharishi is inevitably tempted to capitalise 1278 01:13:21,797 --> 01:13:25,157 on his sudden worldwide fame 1279 01:13:25,237 --> 01:13:26,917 because of The Beatles association. 1280 01:13:28,277 --> 01:13:30,437 They realise that maybe Maharishi 1281 01:13:30,517 --> 01:13:33,077 had been using them all along for publicity, 1282 01:13:33,157 --> 01:13:35,077 ever since the final record, 1283 01:13:35,157 --> 01:13:38,197 that was "by The Beatles Spiritual Teacher," 1284 01:13:38,277 --> 01:13:40,117 it said on the album. 1285 01:13:40,197 --> 01:13:44,237 So John and George started a think something fishy is here. 1286 01:13:44,317 --> 01:13:46,077 He's using us for publicity. 1287 01:13:47,797 --> 01:13:51,357 So they began to hear little bits of news here and there, 1288 01:13:51,437 --> 01:13:52,997 from the grapevine of, you know, 1289 01:13:53,077 --> 01:13:55,437 your Maharishi's planning this and planning that, 1290 01:13:55,517 --> 01:13:58,597 and you're gonna be in it and they're going, "Are we?" 1291 01:13:58,677 --> 01:14:01,997 Maharishi kept promising ABC 1292 01:14:02,077 --> 01:14:04,877 that he would do a special with The Beatles. 1293 01:14:04,957 --> 01:14:06,317 And The Beatles kept saying, 1294 01:14:06,397 --> 01:14:08,037 "We're not gonna do this special," 1295 01:14:08,117 --> 01:14:11,677 but Maharishi kept promising it over and over. 1296 01:14:11,757 --> 01:14:13,597 There comes a time in late '67, 1297 01:14:13,677 --> 01:14:15,677 when Paul and George go to Sweden, 1298 01:14:15,757 --> 01:14:18,677 basically to tell the Maharishi to cool a bit, you know. 1299 01:14:18,757 --> 01:14:20,997 "Don't start making plans that involve us 1300 01:14:21,077 --> 01:14:22,637 without telling us first." 1301 01:14:22,717 --> 01:14:24,077 We're glad to have you here. 1302 01:14:24,157 --> 01:14:25,397 - Thank you. - Thank you. 1303 01:14:25,477 --> 01:14:28,077 We do appreciate your music and... 1304 01:14:29,557 --> 01:14:30,437 That's a posy, yes? 1305 01:14:30,517 --> 01:14:32,517 The smell of the flowers. 1306 01:14:32,597 --> 01:14:34,957 We only decided to come yesterday, 1307 01:14:35,037 --> 01:14:37,557 just to pop over to have a little chat. 1308 01:14:37,637 --> 01:14:38,917 Yes, yes. 1309 01:14:38,997 --> 01:14:41,037 And when The Beatles were in Rishikesh, 1310 01:14:41,117 --> 01:14:44,397 he, without their knowledge was having the discussions 1311 01:14:44,477 --> 01:14:45,917 with a Hollywood film company 1312 01:14:45,997 --> 01:14:48,317 called Four Star International. 1313 01:14:52,317 --> 01:14:54,237 Maharishi promised them 1314 01:14:54,317 --> 01:14:56,437 that they could have exclusive rights 1315 01:14:56,517 --> 01:15:00,557 to make a film about Maharishi and about Maharishi's guru. 1316 01:15:00,637 --> 01:15:03,077 But unfortunately, Maharishi made the same promise 1317 01:15:03,157 --> 01:15:04,557 to someone else. 1318 01:15:04,637 --> 01:15:08,037 He had given rights to Four Star Productions. 1319 01:15:08,117 --> 01:15:11,997 The lawyer arrived in Rishikesh with a signed contract. 1320 01:15:12,077 --> 01:15:15,037 They gave exclusive rights to film Maharishi 1321 01:15:15,117 --> 01:15:17,477 for the next five years. 1322 01:15:19,157 --> 01:15:22,397 Some suits arrive from Hollywood and a crew, 1323 01:15:22,477 --> 01:15:24,677 and John and George were going, 1324 01:15:24,757 --> 01:15:27,077 "We didn't want this, you know we are here to meditate, 1325 01:15:27,157 --> 01:15:29,237 we don't want these film people here." 1326 01:15:29,317 --> 01:15:31,477 And there was a confrontation with Maharishi 1327 01:15:31,557 --> 01:15:33,837 about, "Why you're doing this, we told you not to" 1328 01:15:35,317 --> 01:15:36,917 In any case, 1329 01:15:36,997 --> 01:15:39,117 The Beatles became quite disillusioned about that. 1330 01:15:39,197 --> 01:15:41,917 The film was really kind of a deal breaker, 1331 01:15:41,997 --> 01:15:43,437 and they got very angry 1332 01:15:43,517 --> 01:15:46,517 because they had been granted exclusive rights 1333 01:15:46,597 --> 01:15:49,517 to do this film, and now another film company is there. 1334 01:15:49,597 --> 01:15:51,157 So the whole thing just fell apart. 1335 01:15:56,277 --> 01:15:58,157 I don't know what happened, I still don't know. 1336 01:15:58,237 --> 01:16:01,397 But I know there many rumours around, but John said, 1337 01:16:01,477 --> 01:16:04,477 "That's it we're, we're going, were going." 1338 01:16:04,557 --> 01:16:08,397 But I know John wants to come back to England and see Yoko, 1339 01:16:08,477 --> 01:16:11,797 and so any little excuse and John was ready to go, 1340 01:16:11,877 --> 01:16:13,357 'cause we'd been there for weeks. 1341 01:16:14,717 --> 01:16:16,877 Well, it was only John who was upset. 1342 01:16:16,957 --> 01:16:19,277 John dragged George along. 1343 01:16:19,357 --> 01:16:21,997 And I still think it was when Magic Alex came 1344 01:16:22,077 --> 01:16:23,517 from the Apple Corps group. 1345 01:16:27,437 --> 01:16:30,957 Alexis Margas was one of The Beatles associates. 1346 01:16:31,037 --> 01:16:33,117 In fact, he was very close to John, 1347 01:16:33,197 --> 01:16:35,757 and sort of attached himself to John's hip, 1348 01:16:35,837 --> 01:16:38,517 and Cynthia really didn't like Alexis. 1349 01:16:38,597 --> 01:16:42,117 She was very concerned about this Svengali influence 1350 01:16:42,197 --> 01:16:44,557 that he was having on John. 1351 01:16:44,637 --> 01:16:48,477 John had introduced Alex as, "My new guru." 1352 01:16:48,557 --> 01:16:51,557 He was this electronics marvel. 1353 01:16:51,637 --> 01:16:53,837 Supposedly, he introduced himself 1354 01:16:53,917 --> 01:16:57,397 as somebody who is like Edison and Marconi combined, 1355 01:16:57,477 --> 01:17:00,597 but in fact, he was just a TV repairman. 1356 01:17:00,677 --> 01:17:02,557 He's just a friend of ours who's in electronics. 1357 01:17:02,597 --> 01:17:04,237 Oh yeah. 1358 01:17:04,317 --> 01:17:06,597 He's called Alex, and he's great, he's a Greek fella. 1359 01:17:06,677 --> 01:17:08,053 -And he's invented things- -You know he's Greek. 1360 01:17:08,077 --> 01:17:10,037 He's invented incredible things. 1361 01:17:11,717 --> 01:17:13,557 He was a minx, yeah, naughty, little boy. 1362 01:17:13,637 --> 01:17:15,997 You see, he wanted to have power over John, 1363 01:17:16,077 --> 01:17:18,917 so he would, you know, create all these things, 1364 01:17:18,997 --> 01:17:20,557 pretending he's a scientist. 1365 01:17:20,637 --> 01:17:22,717 He said, "Oh, here's this one from new wallpaper, 1366 01:17:22,797 --> 01:17:24,277 but it's all speakers, 1367 01:17:24,357 --> 01:17:27,637 so the whole room will have this one big speaker." 1368 01:17:27,717 --> 01:17:30,637 So he loved all that, controlling John. 1369 01:17:30,717 --> 01:17:33,877 So clearly and obviously Maharishi was in the way. 1370 01:17:34,877 --> 01:17:36,477 One night, John and Maharishi 1371 01:17:36,557 --> 01:17:38,437 were having this wonderful rapport, 1372 01:17:38,517 --> 01:17:40,957 and I, you know how you can see sometimes 1373 01:17:41,037 --> 01:17:43,877 when a person let's the mask drop from their face, 1374 01:17:43,957 --> 01:17:47,557 and I could see this really dislike of Maharishi 1375 01:17:47,637 --> 01:17:49,597 on Magic Alex's face. 1376 01:17:49,677 --> 01:17:52,757 It disturbed me and I felt something was going wrong. 1377 01:17:54,037 --> 01:17:56,437 No one ever saw him meditating. 1378 01:17:56,517 --> 01:17:57,637 And as a matter of fact, 1379 01:17:57,717 --> 01:18:00,237 he admitted that he came to India 1380 01:18:00,317 --> 01:18:04,117 for the purpose of getting The Beatles away from Maharishi. 1381 01:18:04,197 --> 01:18:08,997 Alexis said, "Oh, it's because we don't want Maharishi 1382 01:18:10,757 --> 01:18:14,277 to have that much influence over the boys." 1383 01:18:16,397 --> 01:18:19,277 I'm totally convinced that Magic Alex 1384 01:18:19,357 --> 01:18:22,437 made a friend of one of the young women at the ashram, 1385 01:18:22,517 --> 01:18:25,597 and he got her to tell John Lennon 1386 01:18:25,677 --> 01:18:28,157 that she was having sex with Maharishi. 1387 01:18:28,237 --> 01:18:30,317 Is this just horrified all of us 1388 01:18:30,397 --> 01:18:31,797 when this whole thing happened. 1389 01:18:33,117 --> 01:18:35,957 I believe that Maharishi made a pass. 1390 01:18:36,037 --> 01:18:37,637 And the reason I believe it 1391 01:18:37,717 --> 01:18:41,157 is because he made a pass at many women that I knew. 1392 01:18:41,237 --> 01:18:43,357 Wasn't the first or the last one. 1393 01:18:44,917 --> 01:18:46,797 Well I remember Maharishi saying that, you know, 1394 01:18:46,877 --> 01:18:48,437 "If you haven't an ugly woman over here, 1395 01:18:48,477 --> 01:18:50,557 and a beautiful woman over there, 1396 01:18:50,637 --> 01:18:52,077 it's just easier for your attention 1397 01:18:52,157 --> 01:18:53,477 to go to the more beautiful." 1398 01:18:56,637 --> 01:18:59,037 John and George didn't believe it at first, 1399 01:18:59,117 --> 01:19:01,157 but finally Alexis convinced them 1400 01:19:02,557 --> 01:19:04,757 and then went and got taxis for all of them 1401 01:19:04,837 --> 01:19:06,637 before they could change their mind. 1402 01:19:08,317 --> 01:19:10,957 While they were waiting for the taxis, John wrote, 1403 01:19:11,037 --> 01:19:13,717 "Maharishi, Maharishi, what have you done? 1404 01:19:13,797 --> 01:19:15,997 You made a fool of everyone." 1405 01:19:16,077 --> 01:19:18,957 The song had a lot of expletives in it, 1406 01:19:19,037 --> 01:19:23,197 and George said, "You can't say that, that's ridiculous" 1407 01:19:23,277 --> 01:19:26,637 So John changed the lyrics to "Sexy Sadie." 1408 01:19:28,317 --> 01:19:30,517 Yeah, "Sexy Sadie," it was actually called "Maharishi." 1409 01:19:30,597 --> 01:19:32,437 And it was a put down in the Maharishi 1410 01:19:32,517 --> 01:19:34,557 in very vicious terms. 1411 01:19:34,637 --> 01:19:36,357 I don't think the chance of it getting out 1412 01:19:36,437 --> 01:19:39,077 with the words that John had originally, 1413 01:19:39,157 --> 01:19:40,757 but basically denounces him 1414 01:19:40,837 --> 01:19:42,157 and says he was a bit of a rogue. 1415 01:19:44,637 --> 01:19:46,917 John dragged George along 1416 01:19:46,997 --> 01:19:50,157 and then he just bolted from the ashram. 1417 01:19:50,237 --> 01:19:52,117 I think Maharishi was a mistake. 1418 01:19:52,197 --> 01:19:53,517 What do you mean he was a mistake? 1419 01:19:53,597 --> 01:19:55,237 We made a mistake. 1420 01:19:55,317 --> 01:19:57,093 We thought there was more to him than there was, 1421 01:19:57,117 --> 01:19:59,837 you know, but he's human, 1422 01:19:59,917 --> 01:20:01,357 and for a while we thought he wasn't, 1423 01:20:01,397 --> 01:20:02,957 you know, thought he was a. 1424 01:20:35,197 --> 01:20:36,917 The Beatles, they were opening us up 1425 01:20:36,997 --> 01:20:40,157 to different experiences in various ways, you know. 1426 01:20:40,237 --> 01:20:43,277 Indian philosophy and Indian music. 1427 01:20:43,357 --> 01:20:44,917 And then when they went to Rishikesh, 1428 01:20:44,997 --> 01:20:47,597 you know, it was the idea of Indian travel. 1429 01:20:47,677 --> 01:20:51,117 It's like, "Wow, looks nice over there, you know, 1430 01:20:51,197 --> 01:20:53,397 they're enjoying themselves in the sunshine." 1431 01:20:55,717 --> 01:20:58,837 There'd been a hippie trail, an embryonic hippie trail, 1432 01:20:58,917 --> 01:21:01,357 in the early sixties, a few people had gone out. 1433 01:21:01,437 --> 01:21:04,237 The whole point being that you drove over land, 1434 01:21:04,317 --> 01:21:07,997 the ultimate destination was in fact Katmandu in Nepal. 1435 01:21:08,077 --> 01:21:11,277 I'm sure The Beatles inspired lots of people to go, 1436 01:21:11,357 --> 01:21:13,437 because this little trickle of people 1437 01:21:13,517 --> 01:21:16,677 on the hippie trail beforehand suddenly turned into a flood. 1438 01:21:20,397 --> 01:21:22,597 Did you enjoy the trip over to India? 1439 01:21:22,677 --> 01:21:26,877 Yes, The journey was terrible, but the trip was all right. 1440 01:21:26,957 --> 01:21:28,877 There was a report that we get 1441 01:21:28,957 --> 01:21:29,717 -we got a very bad report- -Yeah its true, 1442 01:21:29,797 --> 01:21:30,797 we smashed him. 1443 01:21:32,597 --> 01:21:34,037 You didn't like him, 1444 01:21:34,117 --> 01:21:35,773 or you didn't have the patience and decided to go home. 1445 01:21:35,797 --> 01:21:38,357 We were there four month so, George and I were. 1446 01:21:38,437 --> 01:21:40,637 Did you think this man was on the level? 1447 01:21:40,717 --> 01:21:42,397 I don't know what level he's on, 1448 01:21:42,477 --> 01:21:46,197 but we had a nice holiday in India and came back and rested. 1449 01:21:48,597 --> 01:21:51,117 Maharishi looked visibly frail 1450 01:21:51,197 --> 01:21:53,957 and without his usual effervescence. 1451 01:21:55,277 --> 01:21:57,797 His brilliant and beautiful yogic radiance 1452 01:21:57,877 --> 01:22:01,037 was reduced to grey and to ashen. 1453 01:22:01,117 --> 01:22:02,677 He became physically sick 1454 01:22:02,757 --> 01:22:06,197 when the chorus moved from Rishikesh to Kashmir. 1455 01:22:07,557 --> 01:22:09,557 He's still a nice fella, and everybody's fine, 1456 01:22:09,637 --> 01:22:11,717 but we don't go out with him anymore. 1457 01:22:13,277 --> 01:22:15,757 When the Rishikesh experience finished, 1458 01:22:15,837 --> 01:22:18,517 Paul, John and Ringo just kind of carried on, 1459 01:22:18,597 --> 01:22:20,277 resumed with their lives, 1460 01:22:20,357 --> 01:22:23,437 but for George, India was never a five minute thing. 1461 01:22:23,517 --> 01:22:26,077 India was a lifetime devotion. 1462 01:22:26,157 --> 01:22:27,557 And he wasn't just gonna give it up 1463 01:22:27,637 --> 01:22:29,637 because of the way that Rishikesh finished 1464 01:22:29,717 --> 01:22:31,477 with a bit of a sour taste. 1465 01:22:31,557 --> 01:22:33,997 India for him was something that he continued to push. 1466 01:22:36,597 --> 01:22:38,877 George didn't want to go back to London. 1467 01:22:38,957 --> 01:22:41,037 George was still in meditation mode, 1468 01:22:41,117 --> 01:22:43,837 and he didn't want to go straight back to see the press. 1469 01:22:43,917 --> 01:22:46,677 So he said, "Let's go down to Kerala, just for a week." 1470 01:22:48,277 --> 01:22:50,317 And it was very calm then, and then, you know, 1471 01:22:50,397 --> 01:22:54,517 he wanted to slowly come back into the business life, 1472 01:22:54,597 --> 01:22:57,957 as it were, in London, slowly, in his way. 1473 01:23:01,117 --> 01:23:02,357 I mean, because everybody, 1474 01:23:02,437 --> 01:23:04,797 all of a sudden became an individual. 1475 01:23:04,877 --> 01:23:08,517 John, Paul, Ringo and George. 1476 01:23:08,597 --> 01:23:12,117 The Maharishi phase faded out, you know, 1477 01:23:12,197 --> 01:23:15,557 but the Indian aesthetics and the etiquettes 1478 01:23:15,637 --> 01:23:17,277 remained with everybody. 1479 01:23:17,357 --> 01:23:20,397 Using the influence of Indian music and the culture. 1480 01:23:22,277 --> 01:23:24,837 You know, when you look back at The Beatles story 1481 01:23:24,917 --> 01:23:28,597 on their return to the UK in the spring of 1968, 1482 01:23:28,677 --> 01:23:30,317 there was still the comradery 1483 01:23:30,397 --> 01:23:33,437 that saw them through the madness of Beatlemania. 1484 01:23:33,517 --> 01:23:35,797 Soon to dissolve as the fraught sessions 1485 01:23:35,877 --> 01:23:37,957 of "The White Album" began. 1486 01:23:38,037 --> 01:23:41,477 Working separately most of the time and not as a unit, 1487 01:23:41,557 --> 01:23:44,437 and with Ringo quitting the band for a short period, 1488 01:23:44,517 --> 01:23:47,517 remarkably, they delivered what many would call 1489 01:23:47,597 --> 01:23:49,197 one of their greatest albums. 1490 01:23:50,757 --> 01:23:52,117 When The Beatles were in India, 1491 01:23:52,197 --> 01:23:54,077 Maharishi told them, 1492 01:23:54,157 --> 01:23:57,237 if they don't continue meditating regularly 1493 01:23:57,317 --> 01:23:58,877 their band would break up. 1494 01:24:03,317 --> 01:24:05,517 Now, does this mean a business 1495 01:24:05,597 --> 01:24:08,397 or emotional split within The Beatles? 1496 01:24:08,477 --> 01:24:10,037 I should think a bit of both. 1497 01:24:10,117 --> 01:24:12,117 It's probably to do with growing up and to do with 1498 01:24:12,197 --> 01:24:13,693 there was a time when there were just four of them 1499 01:24:13,717 --> 01:24:16,117 but now they're married and there are children. 1500 01:24:26,157 --> 01:24:29,437 I was born in 1971. 1501 01:24:29,517 --> 01:24:33,357 Same time around when Beatles broke up. 1502 01:24:33,437 --> 01:24:34,717 I mean, even like, 1503 01:24:34,797 --> 01:24:38,397 I guess it's about 50 odd years or something, 1504 01:24:38,477 --> 01:24:40,597 it still sounds fresh. 1505 01:24:40,677 --> 01:24:42,277 It sounds amazing. 1506 01:24:43,397 --> 01:24:44,717 The world would have been like, 1507 01:24:44,797 --> 01:24:47,357 so shit without them, you know? 1508 01:24:47,437 --> 01:24:49,677 The world is so much better to live in 1509 01:24:49,757 --> 01:24:50,997 with that music around. 1510 01:24:52,597 --> 01:24:54,557 The songs that they made in India, in Rishikesh, 1511 01:24:54,637 --> 01:24:56,877 I had no idea and out of them 1512 01:24:56,957 --> 01:24:59,797 some of the songs like "Blackbird," like "Dear Prudence," 1513 01:24:59,877 --> 01:25:01,437 like these are some of the songs 1514 01:25:01,517 --> 01:25:04,797 that I used to perform in my old band in Chennai. 1515 01:25:04,877 --> 01:25:07,557 To have known that they have written these songs in India, 1516 01:25:07,637 --> 01:25:09,597 it just gave it so much more meaning 1517 01:25:09,677 --> 01:25:11,917 because I used to connect to these songs 1518 01:25:11,997 --> 01:25:13,557 as a classical musician, 1519 01:25:13,637 --> 01:25:16,597 more than a person who loves English music. 1520 01:25:18,157 --> 01:25:19,757 I was born in '74, 1521 01:25:19,837 --> 01:25:22,677 so for me to get to know The Beatles happened much later. 1522 01:25:22,757 --> 01:25:25,477 We were not really born at the time when the dressing, 1523 01:25:25,557 --> 01:25:27,957 how a Beatles haircut or the dress that they wore 1524 01:25:28,037 --> 01:25:30,837 really attracted us, I mean, we didn't see that. 1525 01:25:30,917 --> 01:25:33,917 We only heard the music. It's purely the music. 1526 01:25:33,997 --> 01:25:37,077 It sounded very simple, very catchy, 1527 01:25:37,157 --> 01:25:39,637 and you could, you know, have a high recall. 1528 01:25:39,717 --> 01:25:42,117 So whenever you heard a song, you would remember it. 1529 01:25:42,197 --> 01:25:44,717 But when you sat down to work on it, 1530 01:25:44,797 --> 01:25:47,077 to try and see if you can sing that song, 1531 01:25:47,157 --> 01:25:50,397 that is when you realise the complexity of it. 1532 01:25:50,477 --> 01:25:52,877 I don't know how it was appreciated when it was released, 1533 01:25:52,957 --> 01:25:55,917 but it's something that is still relevant today. 1534 01:26:05,237 --> 01:26:07,517 They came to see, in the fullness of time, 1535 01:26:07,597 --> 01:26:09,037 in particular, in George's case, 1536 01:26:09,117 --> 01:26:12,117 George discovered from gathering evidence 1537 01:26:12,197 --> 01:26:15,317 what exactly happened at the end of their stay in Rishikesh, 1538 01:26:15,397 --> 01:26:17,037 and how Alexis Margas, 1539 01:26:17,117 --> 01:26:19,957 Magic Alex had cooked up this whole thing. 1540 01:26:21,237 --> 01:26:23,357 George always loved Maharishi, 1541 01:26:23,437 --> 01:26:24,997 and toward the end of his life 1542 01:26:25,077 --> 01:26:26,797 he went back to see Maharishi. 1543 01:26:28,117 --> 01:26:30,197 George said to Maharishi, 1544 01:26:30,277 --> 01:26:32,477 "I came to apologise" 1545 01:26:32,557 --> 01:26:35,917 and Maharishi asked "For what?" 1546 01:26:35,997 --> 01:26:38,717 And George replied, "You know, for what." 1547 01:26:40,197 --> 01:26:42,597 Maharishi apparently said to George, 1548 01:26:42,677 --> 01:26:46,037 he believed that The Beatles were angels on earth 1549 01:26:46,117 --> 01:26:48,877 and that they were not guilty of any crime themselves. 1550 01:26:48,957 --> 01:26:51,037 So when George came away from that meeting, 1551 01:26:51,117 --> 01:26:53,517 he felt cleansed of his guilt 1552 01:26:53,597 --> 01:26:56,877 of the method of their departure back in 1968. 1553 01:26:58,997 --> 01:27:00,357 I got into India, 1554 01:27:00,437 --> 01:27:02,797 I think that was the one thing in my life 1555 01:27:02,877 --> 01:27:05,117 that I could have done without everything else, 1556 01:27:05,197 --> 01:27:10,117 but that one thing of getting in touch with what's inside 1557 01:27:10,197 --> 01:27:13,357 through Maharishi and Ravi Shankar and indie music. 1558 01:27:15,677 --> 01:27:18,517 And as for the others, well they all warmed again 1559 01:27:18,597 --> 01:27:22,037 to the culture and the spirituality of India. 1560 01:27:22,117 --> 01:27:23,637 The only way we can change the system 1561 01:27:23,717 --> 01:27:25,717 is by changing it non-violently, 1562 01:27:25,797 --> 01:27:28,157 because they've done the violent for millions of years. 1563 01:27:28,237 --> 01:27:30,557 I think the only way to do it is Gandhi's way, 1564 01:27:30,637 --> 01:27:33,157 and that's nonviolent, passive, positive, 1565 01:27:33,237 --> 01:27:34,637 or whatever they call it these days. 1566 01:27:36,597 --> 01:27:40,397 John Lennon spoke kindly of Maharishi in other interviews. 1567 01:27:40,477 --> 01:27:42,997 Ringo and Paul have both said the same, 1568 01:27:43,077 --> 01:27:45,997 everything became okay again, in the end. 1569 01:27:47,557 --> 01:27:50,197 Years ago, we studied meditation with the Maharishi. 1570 01:27:50,277 --> 01:27:51,957 He was one of the ones that wasn't a fake. 1571 01:27:52,037 --> 01:27:53,373 There were a lot of them around that time 1572 01:27:53,397 --> 01:27:55,357 who were into Rolls Royces and chicks. 1573 01:27:55,437 --> 01:27:57,117 He wasn't one of them. 1574 01:27:57,197 --> 01:27:58,997 I actually met him quite recently. 1575 01:27:59,077 --> 01:28:00,597 He lives in the Netherlands now, 1576 01:28:00,677 --> 01:28:05,397 and I took Stella, my daughter and James, my son with me. 1577 01:28:06,397 --> 01:28:07,797 And he is a spry old codger, 1578 01:28:07,877 --> 01:28:09,877 he in his eighties and he's still working, 1579 01:28:09,957 --> 01:28:10,957 he's still going. 1580 01:28:19,917 --> 01:28:23,477 The day when Maharishi died, there was a big storm. 1581 01:28:25,997 --> 01:28:29,237 The water from the river Ganges came whirling up 1582 01:28:30,677 --> 01:28:33,317 and it showered in this area. 1583 01:28:33,397 --> 01:28:35,237 The local folks who came here to pay 1584 01:28:35,317 --> 01:28:37,317 their tributes to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 1585 01:28:37,397 --> 01:28:39,157 were amazed to see this supernatural thing. 1586 01:28:39,237 --> 01:28:41,837 It was a power of Maharishi 1587 01:28:41,917 --> 01:28:45,317 which brought Gunga on this top of mountain. 1588 01:28:54,397 --> 01:28:56,157 When I first came here 10 years ago, 1589 01:28:56,237 --> 01:28:59,157 this was just jungle, ruins and jungle. 1590 01:28:59,237 --> 01:29:00,613 And we would sneak in through the back, 1591 01:29:00,637 --> 01:29:02,197 there were cracks in the wall, 1592 01:29:02,277 --> 01:29:04,677 and you would smoke pot and see leopards at night. 1593 01:29:04,757 --> 01:29:07,237 This is what people did. 1594 01:29:07,317 --> 01:29:10,037 So I take tourists into the ashram, I show them everything, 1595 01:29:10,117 --> 01:29:13,117 and I'm trying to bring them back into 1968 1596 01:29:13,197 --> 01:29:15,797 and give them some of the experience of The Beatles here. 1597 01:29:17,477 --> 01:29:19,173 Tourists that come here, they really appreciate it. 1598 01:29:19,197 --> 01:29:22,077 They really appreciate to have the sense for The Beatles 1599 01:29:22,157 --> 01:29:24,957 as a historical entity. 1600 01:29:28,237 --> 01:29:30,557 My experience when I went to The Beatles ashram 1601 01:29:30,637 --> 01:29:32,517 was super magical. 1602 01:29:32,597 --> 01:29:34,677 These huge superstars, 1603 01:29:34,757 --> 01:29:37,717 you wouldn't really think that they'd go to a really simple, 1604 01:29:37,797 --> 01:29:41,117 no-frills ashram in Rishikesh. 1605 01:29:44,037 --> 01:29:45,997 The most exciting thing about music 1606 01:29:46,077 --> 01:29:49,837 is the way that it has the capacity to shift cultural norms 1607 01:29:49,917 --> 01:29:51,637 and expand people's minds, 1608 01:29:51,717 --> 01:29:54,357 and in India, that's exactly what The Beatles did 1609 01:29:54,437 --> 01:29:57,197 by bridging the gap between East and West 1610 01:29:57,277 --> 01:30:00,117 in a country that was very much under this, you know, 1611 01:30:00,197 --> 01:30:03,317 dark cloud of colonial rule. 1612 01:30:03,397 --> 01:30:07,157 Which in many ways created a culture of apology 1613 01:30:07,237 --> 01:30:11,717 for being Indian and a reverence for whatever was foreign. 1614 01:30:11,797 --> 01:30:13,557 That what was so powerful 1615 01:30:13,637 --> 01:30:17,397 is for the most powerful band in the world 1616 01:30:17,477 --> 01:30:19,797 to come and revere our culture. 1617 01:30:21,277 --> 01:30:23,597 They had descended in our part of the country, 1618 01:30:23,677 --> 01:30:26,997 and they had embraced the spiritual narrative of India, 1619 01:30:27,077 --> 01:30:28,317 and they had come to Rishikesh, 1620 01:30:28,397 --> 01:30:32,117 and there were images of them with Mahesh Yogi 1621 01:30:32,197 --> 01:30:36,997 and then suddenly we look, they are one of us. 1622 01:30:39,197 --> 01:30:40,517 As kids, as Indian kids, you know, 1623 01:30:40,557 --> 01:30:42,237 we're always rebelling against our culture. 1624 01:30:42,317 --> 01:30:43,693 And then you realise that like something 1625 01:30:43,717 --> 01:30:45,957 that is so influential in pop culture, 1626 01:30:46,037 --> 01:30:48,157 took a lot of influence from India. 1627 01:30:48,237 --> 01:30:51,557 My introduction to them was I happened to be part 1628 01:30:51,637 --> 01:30:54,237 of the age of illegal downloading, 1629 01:30:54,317 --> 01:30:56,197 at the time of like Napster and stuff. 1630 01:30:56,277 --> 01:30:59,037 We used to have "The White Album" on CD. 1631 01:30:59,117 --> 01:31:01,077 That was my first introduction to The Beatles. 1632 01:31:01,157 --> 01:31:03,237 We still felt it's influence 1633 01:31:03,317 --> 01:31:06,957 even though we were born like in the eighties and nineties. 1634 01:31:07,037 --> 01:31:09,437 India is considered this place where you could go 1635 01:31:09,517 --> 01:31:12,357 for a spiritual awakening, for meditation, 1636 01:31:12,437 --> 01:31:14,957 so I think The Beatles came to India to look for that. 1637 01:31:15,037 --> 01:31:16,997 And in some ways they really did find that. 1638 01:31:21,237 --> 01:31:23,597 I guess that's a small gift that India gave the world 1639 01:31:23,677 --> 01:31:25,197 through The Beatles. 1640 01:31:29,197 --> 01:31:30,677 The happiest time in life, 1641 01:31:30,757 --> 01:31:33,277 one of the happiest times was in India. 1642 01:31:33,357 --> 01:31:35,637 I mean, it was just such a groove. 1643 01:31:35,717 --> 01:31:37,517 And it was such a pure thing, 1644 01:31:37,597 --> 01:31:40,277 everything is slightly more in perspective. 1645 01:31:41,357 --> 01:31:42,237 The whole of life 1646 01:31:42,317 --> 01:31:43,877 should be a spiritual experience 1647 01:31:43,957 --> 01:31:47,997 because we are spirits who are just encased in bodies. 1648 01:31:48,077 --> 01:31:50,477 People forget that and think they're just this body, 1649 01:31:50,557 --> 01:31:53,597 but we're actually spirits in bodies. 132660

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