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Sightings of unidentified
flying objects have become
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so frequent
in recent years that
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the U.S. Government
can no longer dismiss them.
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Days ago, the Pentagon
delivered this,
their highly anticipated
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declassified report
on UFO activity.
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Tonight, we will take
a deep dive
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into the report
and examine what It revealed
about the state of
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our national
and global security.
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And perhaps life beyond
our solar system.
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This is UFOs
Declassified Live.
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Welcome to
UFOs Declassified Live.
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I'm Josh Gates.
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Normally I'm traveling
to far flung locations
around the world
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Investigating mysteries
on my series
Expedition Unknown.
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This evening they've let me
take a shower and clean up
a little bit.
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I'm here in Las Vegas,
along with fellow
adventurer,
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the host of Expedition X,
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Jessica Chobot.
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Hi, thanks for having me,
happy to be here.
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I am looking forward
to declassifying some UFOs.
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It's going to be a big night.
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Together we will be
tackling the mystery
of UFOs, this report,
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the science
of these aerial anomalies
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and who or what
could be behind them.
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We'll do it by deciphering
the fresh off the press
Pentagon UFO report
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and the jaw dropping footage
that prompted it.
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We have got a rotating panel
of experts to analyze
everything tonight
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and we want to hear
from you, tweet using
the hashtag,
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"UFOs Declassified Live,"
and be sure to follow
Discovery on Twitter
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to participate in
our live polls,
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starting us off this evening,
our panel, we have
the award winning
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investigative journalist,
George Knapp
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and investigative filmmaker,
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the man who kicked off
this whole thing with some
of the most compelling images
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of UFOs caught on tape.
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Jeremy Corbell, good to see
both of you.
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-Nice to see ya, Josh.
-Yeah, thanks for being here.
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All right, this Pentagon
report was initially requested
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by the US Select Committee
on Intelligence
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in December of 2020,
but its roots go far
deeper than that.
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Take a look.
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[narrator] UFO sightings
have been tracked by
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the United States government
since the 1940s.
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As claims have
often been dismissed
by government officials,
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the public has no idea
of the extent of the activity
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or what it could mean
to national security,
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however, reports of what
has been described
as aggressive UFO activity
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has spiked in recent years,
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especially over military
institutions,
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putting the United States
Department of Defense
on edge.
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[pilot] 50 knots.
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Closing in.
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These increased public
sightings, along
with UFO footage
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leaked by military personnel
has forced the DOD
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to change their long standing
position.
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It is history changing,
it is without a doubt,
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the story of the millennia.
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[narrator] And for the first
time, they have
authenticated videos
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of unidentified
flying objects,
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they know that these crafts
feature highly advanced
technology,
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and are not part
of the US military.
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This caught the attention
of the Senate Intelligence
Committee
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led by Senator Marco Rubio,
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they demanded a full report
on UFOs for the sake
of national security.
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Anything that enters
an airspace,
that's not supposed
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to be there is a threat.
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[narrator] Coming off
a flurry of intense interest
from the media,
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the report was delivered
to Congress just days ago.
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Tonight, we identify
key findings
and unanswered questions.
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Who do these craft
belong to?
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Adversaries in Russia
or China.
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is there a possibility
they originated beyond
our solar system?
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Or is there a peaceful
and earthly explanation?
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And what does the evidence
revealed in the report mean
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for the United States
and the world?
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All right, well, let's get
right into it,
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George, let's start with you,
you have been investigating
UFOs from ground zero here
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in the desert for more
than 30 years.
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First blush reaction,
what do you make
of this report?
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it's massively important,
it's such a radical departure
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from what we've been
spoon fed, the lies
and obfuscation
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we've been spoon fed
by our military
and our government for decades
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behind the scenes since 1947.
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Our military is taking this
very seriously,
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while telling the public,
there's nothing to it.
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Don't worry about it, move on.
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This report
is only nine pages,
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it doesn't have
a lot of details,
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but it at least
is a new policy direction
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and it screams out
two things to me.
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One, is that UFOs are real
and they are
physical objects,
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two, they're not ours.
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All right, Jeremy,
you have had your eyes
on most of the videos
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that we're talking about
tonight, long before
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they ever went to Congress,
your thoughts on all of this?
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I'm highly encouraged
by this report,
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mainly I'm encouraged by
the disappointment
from the public,
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people wanted more substance,
more information,
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they don't have
any videos
in the public report,
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but what that shows me
is that pop culture
is grabbing on to this
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UFO mystery,
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and they're agreeing
and the military is saying,
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"We should study
this phenomenon
scientifically,"
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that's what the report says.
This requires study.
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George ,I think you probably
know better than anyone
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as an investigative journalist
how secretive the government
can be
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on the topic of UFOs.
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Why the sudden rush
to transparency here?
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it's a combination of events
that this overnight success
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actually started about
26 years ago here
in Las Vegas.
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Robert Bigelow, businessman
created his own independent
UFO think tank
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that got the attention
of Senator Harry Reid,
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who a decade later
got $22 million to devote
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to a secret program
that studied UFOs
and related phenomena,
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that there was a corollary
program that existed
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in the Pentagon
that collected information
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including some of the videos
that we're going to see
tonight,
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and it came spilling out
in The New York Times
in December 2017
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and it's rolled like
a snowball ever since.
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I want to talk about
technology a little bit
here at the top,
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you know, in this report,
there are 143 unidentified,
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you know, instances,
a lot of those were made
with real high tech stuff.
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FLIR is one of them,
a forward looking infrared,
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how does this kind
of technology differ
from other sensor systems?
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Right, so we're living in
a different world now
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where we have corroborative
video and thermal evidence,
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so it's not just
a pilot saying,
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"Hey, I saw a UFO,
it did some amazing
maneuvers."
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Now you have,
as you said, forward
looking infrared
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which is a thermal camera,
you have night vision
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which amplifies light.
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We also have radar
and also just corroborative
sensor data
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that is not released
to the public,
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they all tell the same tale
about UFOs.
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Okay, can I play
devil's advocate here
for a moment?
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Uh, let me put on
my skeptic hat,
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we've got 143
unidentified objects
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or instances here
in this report,
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a skeptic might say,
"Well, they're unidentified,
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you know, despite all
this high tech equipment
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in the FLIR and the radar.
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We don't know what
these things are,
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they still look blurry
and fuzzy."
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What do we say to that?
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Well, more than 80,
more than half of the cases
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in that report are confirmed
by more than one sensor,
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so they've got a pretty strong
indication that these are
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physical objects,
they appear to be
manufactured objects,
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they have some kind
of propulsion system
that we do not understand.
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And what about the possibility
that these objects are,
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you know, from our own
planet?
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Could these belong
to a foreign government
and adversary?
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That's also addressed in here
and they have to leave
those options open
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in the report, they say,
could be foreign made
technology,
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although we have
no evidence of that.
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Could it be secret
American technology?
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Yeah, but there's no evidence
of that either.
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But that's a big
question, right?
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Could this be a technology
that comes from us, you know,
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the US military,
the most advanced military
in the world,
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do we have the technology
to create objects like this?
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We do not.
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-[chuckles]
-Not that anyone
I've ever talked to,
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I've been pretty far,
far up the food chain
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and no one says
that this is our technology.
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Okay, a lot more
on this tonight obviously,
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one of the simplest takeaways
from the report so far
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that you're going
to be hearing a lot
about tonight
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is the term of UAP,
which stands for
unidentified aerial phenomena,
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it is the official somewhat
fancier government name
for UFOs.
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But until that catches on,
you're going to be hearing
both terms tonight,
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and right now,
we are going to hear
from our co-host
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Jessica Chobot
who has an exclusive
live interview. Jessica.
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Thanks, Josh.
We have got a lot of questions
to address tonight
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and our first guest is here
to help get some answers.
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Joining us now remotely
is counterterrorism
subcommittee chairman,
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André Carson, who led
the classified briefing
on UAPs
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for members
of the House Intelligence
Committee.
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Good to see you,
Congressman Carson.
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What a pleasure, thank you.
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Thanks for being
on the show,
so I'll jump right in,
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what, why do you feel
that the report was important
enough to push through?
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Well, I think for me,
you know,
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that this is a national
security priority.
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If there is technology
out there that
we can't explain
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that has huge implications
for the safety and security
of the American people,
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you know, for many years,
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I've been urging
our intelligence community
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to take UAPs,
commonly known as UFOs
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more seriously
for this very reason,
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so, I'm very pleased
that we're moving in
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the right direction
on that goal.
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Awesome. So were
you pleased with
the results of the report?
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I mean, you mentioned
you were moving towards
the goal,
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but are you pleased
with the report itself?
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Well, I was pleased
that the DNI issued
a public report on this issue,
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obviously, the content
of the report shows
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that we need to do
a lot more research
and investigating.
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Even though this report
didn't give us all
of the answers.
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It's very significant
because it represents
a big shift
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in the way
our intelligence community
handles information.
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So, what part of the report
stands out the most to you?
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You know, I think the size
and scale of the reporting
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on UAPs is the most
significant.
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-Mm-hmm.
-The DNI report clearly
outlines an initial baseline
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for the sheer number
of UAP events.
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There were 144 reports
of UAP events
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from government sources
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and 80 of those reports
involve multiple sensors
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that detect the UAP,
so that's a fairly
sizable number.
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Um, you know,
it's not a one off.
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So, once, you know,
it's not a, it's not
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a once in a blue moon
phenomenon.
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Something is going on here
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and we all know
how to explain it.
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So with that being said,
then what do you personally
believe the UAPs are?
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Well, I'll say this,
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I, I think we have
a lot more investigating to do
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before I can answer
that confidently.
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Mmm-hmm.
But I think a lot of us,
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a lot of folks like me,
um, would like to say
that we...
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we suspect if
there's extraterrestrial life,
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but, you know,
the intelligence community
says we can't completely rule
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that out, but it's clear,
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we have to do
a lot more digging.
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All of the stakeholders
have to come together
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and put aside any
preconceived notions
about UAPs
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and really engage
in a very good faith effort
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to study the potential
security threat, obviously,
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so we need teams
of experts across
the national security space
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and across the intelligence
community as well
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as civilian reports
really studying this issue.
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Taking input, and I think
making very sound conclusions
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about what this could be,
whether it's a threat
to our national security
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And where I believe I can be
the most helpful
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is by encouraging
more research and informing
the public as much as we can
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about these findings.
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Well, it's been great
talking to you.
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Thank you
so much for your time, sir.
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-What an honor. Thank you.
-Thank you. Josh.
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Thanks, Jessica.
Well, we have
a packed show tonight,
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including an interview
with former White House
Chief of Staff,
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John Podesta and stunning
just released video
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from the deck of
the aircraft carrier
USS Omaha,
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It is just one piece
of the incredible footage
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that we're going
to be reviewing tonight
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as we unravel the identity
of these unidentified objects
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Welcome back
to UFOs Declassified Live,
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I'm Josh Gates.
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In addition to being
a former White House
Chief of Staff,
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John Podesta has been
a longtime believer
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in the possibility
of extraterrestrial life,
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to discuss the latest
revelations in
the Pentagon UFO report
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is John Podesta.
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Thanks for joining us, sir.
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Good to be with you, Josh.
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Well, look I know that
you have been calling
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for the release of this
kind of information
for a long time,
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so you must be relieved
that this report has come out,
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having read it,
what's your takeaway?
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Well, I welcomed it.
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Uh, it answered a lot
of, it gave us a lot
of information,
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but it opened up
more questions
than it answered.
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Right. And I know
you have said
for a long time
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that that really all
of this information
should be declassified,
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there is a classified version
of this report,
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there's also video,
we know that the Pentagon
has not released.
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Do you believe still
that all of that should
come out?
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Yes, and I think
the American people
would welcome that.
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Uh, we know that
the United States government
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has had 144 encounters
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with unidentified aerial
phenomenon since 2004,
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and they can only explain
one of them.
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So, let the public
look at this data,
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look at the video,
let scientists chew on it
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and I think we'll learn
a lot more about
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what the, what these
UAP phenomena really
is all about.
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You famously tweeted in 2014
that you felt that one
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of your greatest failures
was not securing the release
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of this information during
the Obama administration,
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why do you think
it's so important
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that the public
get a look at this?
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I think the public really
is very intrigued by
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whether there is life
and whether these UAPs
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are examples of that
and there's just
tremendous popular interest.
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Uh, and I think that the,
the government really has
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an obligation not to hide it,
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uh, not to, not to pretend
that it doesn't exist,
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not to be embarrassed by it,
but just put the information
out, let people see it,
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understand it, debate it.
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And considering we have now
in this report, 143 examples
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of what seemed
to be technologically advanced
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something that has been
detected.
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Does this represent
an intelligence failure
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on some level
that we don't know
what these objects are?
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Well, look, I think
for a long time,
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there was just a stigma
involved in even discussing
this phenomena.
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-Right.
-And so I think people
look the other way.
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And I'm glad now as a result
of efforts,
really heroic efforts,
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particularly by former
Democratic Senator Harry Reid
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to push this out
into the public.
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The Pentagon's taking it
seriously, they've created
a UAP Task Force,
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the Navy and Air Force
both have programs,
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but again,
I'd like to see this more
on the civilian side,
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led by civilian scientists,
so that we don't have
this cover of classification,
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uh, hiding a lot
of information
from the American public.
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Well, I'm sure there is
much more information
to come on this front.
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Thank you so much
for your time today.
I really appreciate it, sir.
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Thanks for having me on.
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You know this latest round
of UAP sightings generates
a lot of questions,
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none more important
than friend or foe,
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are these UAPs friendly
or could they be set on
doing us harm?
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And regardless of whether
they're an earthly adversary
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or extra-terrestrial,
how prepared is our military?
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[pilot] Oh, my gosh, dude.
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[Jim] Something is out there
and we don't know what it is,
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people start seeing
unidentified flying objects
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and they're coming over
a military bases,
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and we don't know
what to do about it.
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I wonder if we are not
in some ways less prepared
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for this problem
than we were 70 years ago,
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the facts are that we have
unexplained aerial phenomena
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that are penetrating
our airspace,
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we don't know what they are.
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We don't understand
their capabilities,
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they seem to defy the laws
of physics as we know it.
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[man] Lift off.
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The United States Navy
has admitted that there are
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objects which they do not know
what they are.
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So whether or not
there's enough data
in all of these videos
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is not the key point.
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The key point
is the US Navy admits
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that they can't identify
the objects.
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[Jim] It is definitely
displaying technology
in order
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of technology well, well
beyond we have here.
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Uh, how do we take that?
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Uh, I don't know, I mean,
do we see that as a threat?
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Are we ready,
are the world
governments ready?
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Is the United States
ready to defend itself
against this threat.
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We've never seen
anything like it.
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The amount of G forces
they contain,
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we don't know whether
they're piloted
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or remotely controlled
or their drones.
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-[pilot] What was... Splash.
-Splash.
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They seem to be
especially concentrated,
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where there are
nuclear facilities
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there are nuclear tests,
or there are nuclear
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propulsion systems
in the military.
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It's been reported
these things accelerate
through the sound barrier,
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but without a sonic boom.
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This implies almost
a new physics
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in terms of defining a threat.
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The military sometimes use
the equation
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capability times intent
equals threat.
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We don't have one
of the values,
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the capability looks really,
really impressive.
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The intent remains
completely unknown.
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Well, joining veteran
investigative reporter
George Knapp
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and documentarian
and UFO expert
Jeremy Corbell
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on the panel,
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our former member
of the British Ministry
of Defense Nick Pope
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and former CIA officer
Jim Semivan.
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Welcome to you both.
Thanks for being here.
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-You're welcome, Josh,
thanks for having us here.
-Absolutely, I'm,
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I'm intimidated and terrified
of you both.
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All right, let's, let's get
into some questions here,
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the report found
that there was clustering
around military assets.
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So, Jim, do you see this
as intentional targeting
of our ships and facilities?
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Oh, yes, absolutely.
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You know, we had
an incident in 2019,
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where they were close
to what 50 to 100 UAP swarming
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and nine vessel, I mean,
nine vessel warships
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uh, you know, were they
interested in what?
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Surveillance or were they,
be interested in being
threatening,
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uh, we don't know
that for sure.
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[Josh] I've also heard reports
about this kind of clustering
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happening around nuclear sites
is that true?
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Absolutely and we have them
around nuclear sites,
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nuclear missile sites,
nuclear testing facilities,
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and we also have them
around our intercontinental
ballistic missile sites.
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And, you know, you look at
this and you say, well,
you know, what is this about?
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I mean all this has been
well documented,
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but they appear to be strongly
interested in our nuclear
technology, that's for sure.
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Sort of terrifying to hear.
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-It is terrifying, yeah.
-Uh, Nick,
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you brought up something
really interesting
in the package
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we just watched.
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I wanna make sure I get
this right, you brought up
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the equation
capability times intent
equals threat.
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So, you know, one of
the alarming details
in this report
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is that if the data
is accurate, the capabilities
of these, of these objects
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seems kind of off the charts.
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Can we really know
their intent?
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No, we can't.
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If this was Russia
or China,
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intelligence officers
would have a fair idea,
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but if it's something unknown,
possibly extraterrestrial.
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We have no idea.
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Therefore, we can't define
the threat
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and if you can't define
or evaluate it,
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hope for the best,
prepare for the worst.
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So, okay, well, let's say
that they do have
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these tremendous capabilities
and that we don't know
what they are,
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I mean, if that's,
if that's the case,
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shouldn't President Biden
be hiding in a bunker
somewhere, Jim?
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I mean,
I'm getting nervous here.
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Well, not necessarily, I mean,
you know,
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in 1940, '47, the Air Force
came out and they said,
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"We don't deem UAPs a threat."
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And there's no evidence
to we have right now
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that they're an existential
threat to this country
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or and to anybody else.
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So, at the moment, they seem
to pose more of a hazard
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to aviation than they do
a threat to the military
or to the country.
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Let's talk about technology
here, Jim, do you,
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do you see these UAPs
as being more advanced
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than our top of the line
stealth arsenal?
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Oh, I think absolutely,
absolutely, you know,
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stealth technology
is all about low visibility,
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it's like not being seen.
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Well, these things are UAPs
on steroids.
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I mean, these are, I'm sorry
stealth fighters aircraft
on steroids.
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They seem to appear
and disappear instantaneously.
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So, you have
to ask yourself, I mean,
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are they using
a cloaking device, what are
they doing to get this?
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I've even read, Nick,
that some people
have theorized that
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our own stealth technology
is somehow based off
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of these UAPs,
that feels a little
farfetched to me,
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what do you make of that?
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Well, I don't know if we got
stealth technology from UFOs,
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but UFOs seem to be using it
and one of the really
interesting things
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in the report to Congress
is the phrase, "signature
management."
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These objects are taking
active measures to suppress
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their radar signature
making it more difficult
for us to track them,
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there's an intelligence
at play here.
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All of this is so fascinating.
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Uh, I was just informed
that we are trending
on Twitter
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which I think speaks
to the fascination
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that people have
with this topic,
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I want to check in
with my co-host
Jessica Chobot,
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she is an investigator
in her own right.
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Tonight, she is digging in
with a very special guest
to get some answers. Jess.
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Thank you, Josh, with me
right now is former F-16
fighter pilot,
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Tracy Latourette, to give us
her insight on a pilot's
eye view of these phenomena.
450
00:22:24,067 --> 00:22:27,500
So, Tracy, a common theme
when discussing these UAPs
451
00:22:27,533 --> 00:22:30,733
has been that they are
more advanced than
our military's finest.
452
00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:33,100
Our US stealth aircraft
is highly regarded though
453
00:22:33,133 --> 00:22:36,867
and our foreign adversaries
also have stealth
technology as well,
454
00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:40,633
So can you please give us
the rundown on these different
types of craft?
455
00:22:40,667 --> 00:22:45,900
You bet, Jess, so the term
stealth refers to
an aircraft's ability
456
00:22:45,933 --> 00:22:47,933
to avoid detection by radar,
457
00:22:47,967 --> 00:22:50,133
we typically hear stealth
and think of, well,
458
00:22:50,167 --> 00:22:55,167
most often the B-2 Spirit
or the F-117 Nighthawk,
459
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,133
this is the bomber,
this is our fighter.
460
00:22:57,167 --> 00:22:59,833
The great thing is
we've been able to take
lessons we've learned
461
00:22:59,867 --> 00:23:02,833
from the employment
of these two aircraft
and design
462
00:23:02,867 --> 00:23:06,067
the latest fifth generation
stealth technology
463
00:23:06,067 --> 00:23:07,733
which is at the end
down there,
464
00:23:07,767 --> 00:23:10,167
the F-22 Raptor
and not shown
465
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,133
our F-35 Lightning II.
466
00:23:12,167 --> 00:23:13,600
So, that's our latest
and greatest,
467
00:23:13,633 --> 00:23:14,933
but we're not alone.
468
00:23:14,967 --> 00:23:16,767
-Mm-hmm.
-We're not the only countries
that have these,
469
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,233
the Chinese have
the Chengdu J-20,
470
00:23:19,267 --> 00:23:21,567
The Russians have
the SU-57,
471
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,400
so it's important that
we continue to stay ahead
of the competition,
472
00:23:25,433 --> 00:23:27,133
we're always looking
for emerging threats.
473
00:23:27,167 --> 00:23:31,067
Interesting, so what puts
the stealth heads
and shoulders above the rest?
474
00:23:31,067 --> 00:23:32,967
Well, I think that's really
one of the best things
475
00:23:33,067 --> 00:23:38,067
about our nation, is not only
are we, do we have
these great aircraft
476
00:23:38,067 --> 00:23:40,067
that have proven time
and again
477
00:23:40,067 --> 00:23:41,700
that they're incredibly
effective.
478
00:23:41,733 --> 00:23:43,967
But, we never give up,
we never rest,
479
00:23:44,067 --> 00:23:45,667
we're always pushing
the envelope.
480
00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:50,500
In fact, this technologies,
or, I'm sorry, that F-22
and 35 technology
481
00:23:50,533 --> 00:23:51,867
-is 20 years old.
-Yeah.
482
00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:56,767
-So I would love to know
what is classified,
-What's going on?
483
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,767
-what's behind the curtain.
-[laughs]
484
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,567
-Something's happening.
-Oh, for sure.
485
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,067
Well, can any of these
aircraft actually move
like the UAPs
486
00:24:04,067 --> 00:24:06,067
we've been capturing
and seeing?
487
00:24:06,067 --> 00:24:08,700
I haven't seen any of them
move exactly like that,
488
00:24:08,733 --> 00:24:11,133
but we do have some
that have some thrust
vectoring
489
00:24:11,167 --> 00:24:13,900
that does allow them
to do some interesting
maneuvers,
490
00:24:13,933 --> 00:24:16,867
but it's still very different
than, than what
we're seeing tonight.
491
00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:20,333
Interesting, all right, well,
thank you for your insight,
Tracy. Josh, back to you.
492
00:24:20,367 --> 00:24:22,067
Thank you, Jessica and Tracy.
493
00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:25,867
Next up, we have got one
of the most incredible videos
494
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:29,233
responsible for
the compilation
of the Pentagon report,
495
00:24:29,267 --> 00:24:31,233
it is called
the Tic Tac video,
496
00:24:31,267 --> 00:24:33,833
and you will not believe
how this thing moves.
497
00:24:33,867 --> 00:24:37,933
Plus, we've got
that amazing, newly released
footage from the deck
498
00:24:37,967 --> 00:24:39,267
of the USS Omaha,
499
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:41,067
when our broadcast continues
500
00:24:41,067 --> 00:24:46,200
and tweet us using
the hashtag UFOs Declassified
Live on Twitter
501
00:24:46,233 --> 00:24:48,600
and share your close
encounter stories.
502
00:24:48,633 --> 00:24:49,867
We'll be right back.
503
00:25:11,167 --> 00:25:14,333
[Josh] Welcome back to UFOs
Declassified Live,
504
00:25:14,367 --> 00:25:19,067
well, based on our poll,
it looks like 66.7% of you
505
00:25:19,067 --> 00:25:21,900
do not believe there is
any evidence of hostility
506
00:25:21,933 --> 00:25:24,833
with recent UFO sightings.
507
00:25:24,867 --> 00:25:28,967
Peace loving aliens.
The other 33% of you,
Mars Attacks.
508
00:25:29,067 --> 00:25:32,633
Welcome back to the show,
uh, I am really excited
that you're all here,
509
00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:38,533
we're having an amazing time
going through the recently
submitted to the public,
510
00:25:38,567 --> 00:25:40,500
Pentagon UFO report.
511
00:25:40,533 --> 00:25:44,300
Uh, joining us now,
we have a very special guest
here joining our panel,
512
00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:47,767
we have got our resident
F-16 fighter pilot
Tracy Latourrette,
513
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,233
welcome, thank you
for joining us.
514
00:25:49,267 --> 00:25:50,667
-Thanks for having me.
-Of course.
515
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:54,300
So, as we just saw,
the report that was
just delivered to Congress
516
00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:57,467
leans heavily on the accounts
of military aviators.
517
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:58,767
Of course, that makes sense.
518
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,100
They are equipped
with the best surveillance
technology around
519
00:26:02,133 --> 00:26:05,133
and footage captured
using this high end gear
520
00:26:05,167 --> 00:26:06,933
is difficult to dispute.
521
00:26:06,967 --> 00:26:09,900
Get ready for this,
the following was captured
using FLIR,
522
00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:12,867
forward looking infrared
in 2004
523
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:16,100
on the USS Nimitz
in San Diego, check it out.
524
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:20,600
All right, Jeremy, walk us
through what we are
looking at here.
525
00:26:20,633 --> 00:26:23,733
[Jeremy] Right, so,
this is FLIR footage
which is a thermal footage
526
00:26:23,767 --> 00:26:25,367
who was Commander
Chad Underwood
527
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,067
who was tasked out towards
the tic tac object,
528
00:26:28,067 --> 00:26:30,600
remember there were
a lot of Tic Tacs dropping in
529
00:26:30,633 --> 00:26:32,300
from 80,000 feet down
to sea level
530
00:26:32,333 --> 00:26:34,500
in less than a second
and a half,
531
00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:37,167
incredible speeds,
but they caught one of them,
532
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,800
and this is footage
of that, and you'll see
at towards the end
533
00:26:39,833 --> 00:26:42,700
of the footage, it does
shoot off to the left end
534
00:26:42,733 --> 00:26:45,867
that the tracking pot,
it's outside of the tolerance
of it,
535
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:47,633
so it can't hold it
at the end.
536
00:26:47,667 --> 00:26:50,900
Incredible speeds
are demonstrated
at the end of this video.
537
00:26:50,933 --> 00:26:52,867
[Josh] Absolutely,
remarkable stuff,
538
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,867
so I have to take this over
to Tracy at this point,
539
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:59,100
you're the only one here
at this table who really knows
what it's like to fly around
540
00:26:59,133 --> 00:27:02,300
in a fighter jet, let's say
you see one of these things,
541
00:27:02,333 --> 00:27:05,067
what do you do?
what's your,
what's your response?
542
00:27:05,067 --> 00:27:06,800
Well, what you do,
it depends, right?
543
00:27:06,833 --> 00:27:07,933
That's always the answer.
544
00:27:07,967 --> 00:27:10,833
But the first thing is always
going to be inserting
545
00:27:10,867 --> 00:27:14,667
just a split second pause
that allows me
that critical moment,
546
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:17,733
to become aware
of the critical details
547
00:27:17,767 --> 00:27:19,733
in the surroundings,
assess the situation
548
00:27:19,767 --> 00:27:21,833
and then act in accordance
with my objective.
549
00:27:21,867 --> 00:27:25,067
So, in this case, that means
that I want to identify
550
00:27:25,067 --> 00:27:28,333
whether or not this
is a friendly target
551
00:27:28,367 --> 00:27:31,067
or a friendly
or if it's something else,
552
00:27:31,067 --> 00:27:33,800
and whether or not
I'm able to identify that,
553
00:27:33,833 --> 00:27:34,933
the next thing is going to be,
554
00:27:34,967 --> 00:27:37,067
"Do I see any kind
of hostile intent?"
555
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:40,567
-And luckily, I don't see
any here so...
-All right, well, that's good.
556
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,800
As a pilot.
Have you ever seen
anything like this?
557
00:27:43,833 --> 00:27:46,567
I have never seen
anything like this,
so it's pretty exciting.
558
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,333
Okay. Wow.
All right, George,
559
00:27:48,367 --> 00:27:49,833
I want to turn to you
for a moment here.
560
00:27:49,867 --> 00:27:54,233
I've heard people refer
to a kind of checklist
of authenticity
561
00:27:54,267 --> 00:27:57,500
when it comes to UFOs,
the four main criteria being
562
00:27:57,533 --> 00:28:01,600
footage, eye witnesses,
radar, and propulsion.
563
00:28:01,633 --> 00:28:04,233
For you, how many boxes
does this footage check?
564
00:28:04,267 --> 00:28:06,133
All of them. I mean,
we've seen the footage.
565
00:28:06,167 --> 00:28:07,733
The whole world has seen
that footage is,
566
00:28:07,767 --> 00:28:09,067
and is impressed by it.
567
00:28:09,067 --> 00:28:11,600
The witnesses are
the most trustworthy people,
568
00:28:11,633 --> 00:28:15,833
they're naval aviators,
best fighter pilots
in the world,
569
00:28:15,867 --> 00:28:18,700
all credible people
with top security clearances,
570
00:28:18,733 --> 00:28:20,767
the propulsion system
is the question mark.
571
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,567
All we know that it is
that it's not ours.
572
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,133
Jim, any chance that
what we're seeing
in this video
573
00:28:26,167 --> 00:28:28,633
is a top secret
US military project?
574
00:28:28,667 --> 00:28:30,167
Yeah, it's highly unlikely,
575
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,400
it would be absolute folly
for one branch of the military
576
00:28:33,433 --> 00:28:39,267
to introduce
a new technology into
a active military exercise,
577
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,267
in this particular case,
a navy exercise,
578
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:45,900
it'd be too much chance
for error and mistakes
to be made
579
00:28:45,933 --> 00:28:49,233
and the Navy hierarchy
in this case would never
have permitted it.
580
00:28:49,267 --> 00:28:52,433
Tracy, just to give me
some sense of this,
581
00:28:52,467 --> 00:28:55,767
how advanced would
this object have to be
582
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,400
to be up there competing
with our own,
583
00:28:58,433 --> 00:29:00,900
you know, stealth aircraft
and jet fighters,
584
00:29:00,933 --> 00:29:02,167
I mean, compare the two
for me.
585
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,567
Well, I think, to be able
to move as abruptly
586
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,533
and as fast as
this object does,
587
00:29:08,567 --> 00:29:10,500
it has to be significantly
more advanced
588
00:29:10,533 --> 00:29:12,233
than our fifth generation
technology,
589
00:29:12,267 --> 00:29:13,467
but as I mentioned before,
590
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,500
that's been around
for 20 years,
591
00:29:15,533 --> 00:29:18,333
so I'd have a hard time
believing that there's not
592
00:29:18,367 --> 00:29:22,533
a whole lot of advancement
going on at those highest
classified levels
593
00:29:22,567 --> 00:29:25,600
and, remember,
none of us are allowed
to know everything.
594
00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:26,900
So...
595
00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:28,867
But, does that mean
that you think this
could be something
596
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,967
that's US military or no?
597
00:29:31,067 --> 00:29:33,467
I think that the level
of classification
598
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:35,467
that we have protects us.
599
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:38,433
And, so I think
that it's possible.
600
00:29:38,467 --> 00:29:41,600
It is possible, George,
one of the things that really
jumps out at me
601
00:29:41,633 --> 00:29:45,133
about the Tic Tac video
is that it comes from 2004.
602
00:29:45,167 --> 00:29:48,100
Why do you think it took
17 years to catch
603
00:29:48,133 --> 00:29:49,733
the public's attention
like this?
604
00:29:49,767 --> 00:29:51,567
Well, it actually came out,
it was leaked,
605
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,300
somebody shot it off
a screen and it got
put up on an obscure website
606
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:58,500
then quickly taken down
and in a couple
of years later,
607
00:29:58,533 --> 00:30:01,200
there was a behind
the scenes study that was done
608
00:30:01,233 --> 00:30:03,900
that interviewed
all the pilots, collected
all that information.
609
00:30:03,933 --> 00:30:07,800
It wasn't until Jeremy
and I started talking about it
in early 2017
610
00:30:07,833 --> 00:30:09,533
that the public was starting
to catch on.
611
00:30:09,567 --> 00:30:12,267
And then The New York Times
got the video and it exploded,
612
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:16,000
they put it on the front page,
I think that is why that story
went all over the world.
613
00:30:16,033 --> 00:30:18,133
Amazing stuff. All right.
Coming up,
614
00:30:18,167 --> 00:30:20,833
an exclusive interview
with the airmen who captured
615
00:30:20,867 --> 00:30:23,600
the footage of the Tic Tac
and later,
616
00:30:23,633 --> 00:30:27,267
we will be sharing
riveting footage
of a recent UAP sighting
617
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:28,500
you do not want to miss.
618
00:30:28,533 --> 00:30:31,100
And we'll be speaking
to the man who released it,
619
00:30:31,133 --> 00:30:33,300
the guy sitting next to me,
Jeremy Corbell,
620
00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:36,133
as our experts continue
to examine the evidence
621
00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:38,033
and arrive at their verdict.
622
00:30:38,067 --> 00:30:40,900
Adversary, alien
or something else?
623
00:30:40,933 --> 00:30:43,000
And let us know
what you think.
624
00:30:43,033 --> 00:30:45,800
We're trending on Twitter,
so please continue
to hit us up
625
00:30:45,833 --> 00:30:49,667
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626
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,767
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627
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,100
Be right back.
628
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:21,333
[Josh] Welcome back
to the show, our live poll
shows that folks
629
00:31:21,367 --> 00:31:25,400
are pretty divided on
what the tic tac video
actually shows.
630
00:31:25,433 --> 00:31:27,600
We've got a real split opinion
on this front.
631
00:31:27,633 --> 00:31:31,067
Welcome back
to UFOs Declassified Live.
632
00:31:31,067 --> 00:31:34,700
I'm Josh Gates and joining me
on my esteemed panel
of experts.
633
00:31:34,733 --> 00:31:39,467
Our UFO aficionados
Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp,
and Jim Samivan.
634
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:42,400
Okay, so before the break,
we saw this Tic Tac video.
635
00:31:42,433 --> 00:31:45,767
It is a remarkable
and compelling piece
of evidence
636
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,300
suggesting to some
that there could be
extra-terrestrial life.
637
00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:54,900
The footage was captured back
in 2004 by former Navy airman
commander Chad Underwood
638
00:31:54,933 --> 00:31:57,800
who actually coined the term
Tic Tac UFO.
639
00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:02,600
He has never
spoken publicly about
this incident, until now.
640
00:32:02,633 --> 00:32:05,500
Now, Jeremy, I understand
that when Chad spotted this,
641
00:32:05,533 --> 00:32:09,467
whatever this was,
the systems on his aircraft
actually jammed?
642
00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:12,667
Yeah, his optics and weapon
systems were actively jammed.
643
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:15,067
Okay. This is amazing stuff,
let's take a look.
644
00:32:17,067 --> 00:32:20,500
Declassified videos
and authentic
Department of Defense footage.
645
00:32:20,533 --> 00:32:22,967
[man] Splash.
646
00:32:23,067 --> 00:32:25,267
[man on radio]
There's a whole fleet...
647
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:27,467
[Josh] You should have been
able to target it,
648
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:32,533
you weren't, that is
a indication of active
jamming, is that correct?
649
00:32:32,567 --> 00:32:34,733
-Yes.
-Wow.
650
00:32:34,767 --> 00:32:38,500
Once I got the target
of interest on my radar.
651
00:32:38,533 --> 00:32:43,133
I took a lock,
and that's when all the kind
of the funky things
652
00:32:43,167 --> 00:32:43,900
started happening.
653
00:32:45,267 --> 00:32:49,067
The erratic nature
of the Tic Tac,
654
00:32:49,067 --> 00:32:52,567
the airspeed
was very telling to me.
655
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,900
Then we started seeing
what we call jam strobe lines,
656
00:32:55,933 --> 00:32:58,200
strobe lines
are vertical lines
657
00:32:58,233 --> 00:33:01,500
that show up on your radar
that are indications
that you're being jammed.
658
00:33:07,067 --> 00:33:09,133
[indistinct radio chatter]
659
00:33:09,167 --> 00:33:12,500
Interview, uh,
I got to ask first, first off,
660
00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:14,767
how did you get Chad
to speak out about this?
661
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,500
He's been really
reluctant to do that.
662
00:33:16,533 --> 00:33:19,567
Right, so, Commander
David Fravor is the man
663
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,933
that chased the UFO
to United States military,
664
00:33:21,967 --> 00:33:24,600
this same UFO is when
that Commander Underwood
665
00:33:24,633 --> 00:33:26,100
was able to film
and he hasn't talked,
666
00:33:26,133 --> 00:33:28,500
-I like to believe I have
a charming personality.
-[laughs]
667
00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:30,133
American can decide
for themselves,
668
00:33:30,167 --> 00:33:33,500
but, also just, you know,
we became friends,
we became friends over time
669
00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:35,800
talking about this,
I'm just curious,
I wanted to know.
670
00:33:35,833 --> 00:33:38,367
Look, his aircraft
was actively jammed.
671
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,433
What that means
is the UFO was sending
a signal to actively jam,
672
00:33:42,467 --> 00:33:44,600
which are tied into
his weapons systems,
673
00:33:44,633 --> 00:33:48,700
that is an act of war
under normal circumstances,
674
00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:50,700
even though this is
highly abnormal.
675
00:33:50,733 --> 00:33:53,567
George, this is
your first time seeing
this video, what do you think?
676
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,833
Game changer?
677
00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:57,900
Chad Underwood oozes
credibility, like David Favre,
678
00:33:57,933 --> 00:34:00,067
likes Alex Dietrich,
like Ryan Graves,
679
00:34:00,067 --> 00:34:03,767
these naval aviators
are the best pilots
in the world, we trust them,
680
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,467
we trust them to fly
these multimillion dollar
planes,
681
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:07,867
we trust their judgment.
682
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:10,200
We give them top secret
security clearances,
683
00:34:10,233 --> 00:34:12,633
so when they tell us
that something
is amiss up there,
684
00:34:12,667 --> 00:34:15,633
that this is a genuine UFO
and I've never seen
anything like it.
685
00:34:15,667 --> 00:34:16,567
I believe them.
686
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,067
Jim, as our clandestine
expert here.
687
00:34:19,067 --> 00:34:21,200
Are you surprised
that Chad came forward?
688
00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:25,667
Yes, actually, I am,
given the taboo associated
with reporting UAPs,
689
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:28,167
he's very brave to do this,
very courageous to do this.
690
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,700
[Josh] Right, because
a lot of pilots,
691
00:34:29,733 --> 00:34:30,867
they see something like this.
692
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:32,133
The last thing
they're going to do is
693
00:34:32,167 --> 00:34:33,400
-Talk about it, right?
-Exactly.
694
00:34:33,433 --> 00:34:36,233
That could be damaging for
their career.
695
00:34:36,267 --> 00:34:37,567
It could be a career killer.
696
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,233
Even in this UAP report
that was
697
00:34:40,267 --> 00:34:41,533
released last week, it notes
698
00:34:41,567 --> 00:34:43,800
there's still a stigma
attached to this.
699
00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:45,700
Even though the navy
two years ago
700
00:34:45,733 --> 00:34:47,933
changed its policies,
and tried to encourage
701
00:34:47,967 --> 00:34:49,233
pilots to go ahead,
702
00:34:49,267 --> 00:34:50,800
if you see something,
say something.
703
00:34:50,833 --> 00:34:51,833
a lot of them won't do it.
704
00:34:51,867 --> 00:34:53,367
All right.
Lots to think about here.
705
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,533
Let's go to Jessica and Tracy
706
00:34:55,567 --> 00:34:57,867
for a closer look
at the tic tac video.
707
00:34:58,533 --> 00:34:59,500
Thanks Josh.
708
00:34:59,533 --> 00:35:01,500
Tracy, as a former
fighter pilot,
709
00:35:01,533 --> 00:35:04,767
what makes the tic tack video
so compelling?
710
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,867
I think the tic tac video is
interesting because it's not
711
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:13,133
like anything most pilots
have seen before.
712
00:35:13,167 --> 00:35:18,467
And when you look at it,
it's in one spot
713
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:20,333
and then kind of pulls away.
714
00:35:20,367 --> 00:35:23,333
But you can see that
he's working really hard
715
00:35:23,367 --> 00:35:24,633
to maintain the lock.
716
00:35:24,667 --> 00:35:29,400
And that suggests that just as
we heard there may have been
717
00:35:29,433 --> 00:35:31,267
some active radar jamming.
718
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:33,533
And that is definitely
something that's
going to get my attention.
719
00:35:33,567 --> 00:35:34,433
Yeah, for sure.
720
00:35:34,467 --> 00:35:36,067
Well, at the end
of the tic tac video,
721
00:35:36,067 --> 00:35:39,067
like you said the craft
zooms off here
722
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,433
kind of to the left.
723
00:35:40,467 --> 00:35:43,733
is it possible that the pilot
banked to the right
724
00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:47,667
inadvertently and created
his own illusion?
725
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:48,800
That's a great question.
726
00:35:48,833 --> 00:35:50,800
Actually, if you look
in the center
727
00:35:50,833 --> 00:35:52,400
of the blue line there,
728
00:35:52,433 --> 00:35:54,367
you can see what looks like
the little aircraft,
729
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,167
higher above it.
730
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,367
-Uh-huh.
-Up there, yeah.
731
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,400
We call that
the flight path marker.
732
00:35:59,433 --> 00:36:01,967
it's straight in line with
733
00:36:02,067 --> 00:36:03,333
what we call
the horizon line
734
00:36:03,367 --> 00:36:05,733
on either side,
and that's not in a bank.
735
00:36:05,767 --> 00:36:08,100
So, what we're seeing
is that the aircraft
736
00:36:08,133 --> 00:36:10,567
is fairly straight and level,
737
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,333
and that suggests to me
that that object is actually
738
00:36:14,367 --> 00:36:18,067
doing exactly what we think,
it's zooming off on its own.
739
00:36:18,067 --> 00:36:19,533
That was a great explanation.
740
00:36:19,567 --> 00:36:21,200
Obviously I don't know
how to read radar.
741
00:36:21,233 --> 00:36:24,067
So, is there anything else on
this screen that we should be
742
00:36:24,067 --> 00:36:25,600
paying attention to?
What does it mean?
743
00:36:25,633 --> 00:36:27,867
I think an interesting
thing here, you know,
we're looking at
744
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:29,967
infrared technology.
745
00:36:30,067 --> 00:36:33,200
And down in the lower left,
you can see it says WHT.
746
00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:35,633
It's blurry and hard to see,
but that means
747
00:36:35,667 --> 00:36:39,167
we're operating at this moment
what's called a white hot.
748
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,900
If the object is white,
that means it's hot.
749
00:36:41,933 --> 00:36:44,900
That's what we expect to see
from an aircraft because
750
00:36:44,933 --> 00:36:48,100
the engine shows hot,
so it would show white.
751
00:36:48,133 --> 00:36:50,067
Very interesting.
Thanks again, Tracy.
752
00:36:50,067 --> 00:36:51,667
Josh, back to you.
753
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:53,067
Thanks, Jessica and Tracy.
754
00:36:53,067 --> 00:36:56,333
Coming up, we have got more
incredible information
755
00:36:56,367 --> 00:36:57,967
to share from
the pentagon report
756
00:36:58,067 --> 00:37:01,600
and breathtaking video
that checks all the big boxes.
757
00:37:01,633 --> 00:37:02,900
it is not to be missed.
758
00:37:02,933 --> 00:37:04,567
And stick around
as our experts
759
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,767
are drawing ever closer
to their conclusion.
760
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,433
Adversaries, aliens
or neither?
761
00:37:09,467 --> 00:37:10,967
And don't forget
to share your thoughts,
762
00:37:11,067 --> 00:37:12,600
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763
00:37:12,633 --> 00:37:16,867
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764
00:37:37,933 --> 00:37:41,567
Welcome back to
UFOs Declassified Live.
765
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,367
Just five days ago,
the intelligence community
766
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,400
and the public
at large received
767
00:37:46,433 --> 00:37:50,867
a long-awaited government
confirmation of UFO activity.
768
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,467
I'm joined by our panel
live in Las Vegas
769
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:56,400
to discuss the headline making
pentagon report.
770
00:37:56,433 --> 00:37:58,667
Okay. Let's go back
in time, Jeremy,
771
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:03,200
to Roswell, the grandaddy
of all American UFO stories
772
00:38:03,233 --> 00:38:04,800
in 1947.
773
00:38:04,833 --> 00:38:08,100
We've got a 57-year gap
between that
774
00:38:08,133 --> 00:38:10,300
and the accounts that we see
in this pentagon report.
775
00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:12,233
So, why this gap?
776
00:38:12,267 --> 00:38:15,333
I assume there must've been
UFO sightings in that
intervening time.
777
00:38:15,367 --> 00:38:17,333
Yeah, that's interesting.
So, the report is going
778
00:38:17,367 --> 00:38:20,067
just from the tic tac UFO case
and then forward
779
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,933
because a lot of the censored
data that they have
780
00:38:21,967 --> 00:38:23,700
and they wanna work
with the military data
781
00:38:23,733 --> 00:38:24,800
is in those years.
782
00:38:24,833 --> 00:38:27,733
But UFOs have been consistent
all the way through.
783
00:38:27,767 --> 00:38:29,667
Why do you think Roswell
784
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:31,867
continues to capture
our imagination?
785
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:33,200
Because it did
in the first place.
786
00:38:33,233 --> 00:38:35,167
Because the United States
military admitted
787
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,267
they had a crashed
flying saucer.
788
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:38,867
They turned it around
the next day.
789
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,367
but there was a moment
they admitted it.
790
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,633
[Josh] George, can we talk
about Area 51?
791
00:38:43,667 --> 00:38:45,433
You were such
a key player
792
00:38:45,467 --> 00:38:46,933
in breaking that story
wide open.
793
00:38:46,967 --> 00:38:50,267
What is the connection between
Area 51 and Roswell?
794
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,767
The story of Roswell has been
muddied over the years
795
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,933
and I think on purpose.
796
00:38:53,967 --> 00:38:56,200
The first story came from
the U.S. military.
797
00:38:56,233 --> 00:38:58,133
They said a flying saucer
crashed out there.
798
00:38:58,167 --> 00:39:00,800
Then they changed it to,
it was a weather balloon.
799
00:39:00,833 --> 00:39:03,367
Then they changed it again to
a super-duper double
800
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,067
secret probation
weather balloon.
801
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:08,633
It was hard to get a good
handle of what was out there.
802
00:39:08,667 --> 00:39:11,067
But if you had a crashed
flying saucer,
803
00:39:11,067 --> 00:39:12,467
if you're trying to
take it apart,
804
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:14,833
reverse engineer it,
figure out how it works,
805
00:39:14,867 --> 00:39:15,800
where would you take it?
806
00:39:15,833 --> 00:39:16,800
I would say the top
of the list
807
00:39:16,833 --> 00:39:19,067
would be area 51 because
it has been
808
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:20,633
the location of choice
809
00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:23,100
for testing all kinds of
top secret platforms.
810
00:39:23,133 --> 00:39:26,267
The U-2, the Black Bird,
the stealth fighter
811
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:27,700
were all developed out there.
812
00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:30,633
I've interviewed two dozen
witnesses or more
813
00:39:30,667 --> 00:39:32,200
who over the years
worked out there
814
00:39:32,233 --> 00:39:34,233
and said they've seen
something that sure
815
00:39:34,267 --> 00:39:36,900
looks like a flying saucer
that we were taking apart,
816
00:39:36,933 --> 00:39:39,067
to figure out how it worked,
not building it.
817
00:39:39,067 --> 00:39:40,067
Incredible stuff.
818
00:39:40,067 --> 00:39:41,667
I want to pore over
some of the language
819
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:43,067
in this report with you, Jim.
820
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:44,833
It says, and I'm quoting,
821
00:39:44,867 --> 00:39:47,067
"Some UAP, maybe,
technologies
822
00:39:47,067 --> 00:39:49,367
deployed by China, Russia,
823
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,500
another nation, a
824
00:39:50,533 --> 00:39:51,867
non-governmental
entity perhaps.
825
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,633
So, what does
a non-governmental
826
00:39:54,667 --> 00:39:55,967
entity constitute?
827
00:39:56,067 --> 00:39:58,467
I was not really sure
what they meant by that.
828
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:00,333
There's a possibility
they meant either
829
00:40:00,367 --> 00:40:02,367
a terrorist organization
or perhaps
830
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,833
a rogue private
corporation.
831
00:40:04,867 --> 00:40:07,000
But in my opinion,
I think it's
832
00:40:07,033 --> 00:40:10,100
highly unlikely that
China, Russia,
833
00:40:10,133 --> 00:40:12,867
or a non-governmental
entity is behind UAPs.
834
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,767
Could this be just the case
of an individual, Nick?
835
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:17,867
I guess I turn to you.
836
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:20,167
How do we know
these UAPs aren't,
837
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,733
you know,
some kid with a drone?
838
00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:23,567
Because I'm sure that's what
a lot of skeptics
839
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,967
would put forward, right?
840
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,367
All the drones we have
out there and we've seen
problems with drones
841
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,733
at airports
and other places.
842
00:40:28,767 --> 00:40:30,800
Could that be what people
are seeing?
843
00:40:30,833 --> 00:40:34,300
Well, I think drones might
explain some sightings,
but not all.
844
00:40:34,333 --> 00:40:37,633
the report says
there are multiple
explanations for UFOs.
845
00:40:37,667 --> 00:40:39,733
We know what drones look like.
846
00:40:39,767 --> 00:40:41,700
We know what kind of
heat signatures
847
00:40:41,733 --> 00:40:44,667
some of them give off,
what radar returns.
848
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:47,533
And this is not drone.
849
00:40:47,567 --> 00:40:49,700
There's something else
at play here.
850
00:40:49,733 --> 00:40:51,533
Right. Drones are not giving
fighter jets
851
00:40:51,567 --> 00:40:53,000
a run for their money
typically.
852
00:40:53,033 --> 00:40:56,333
Absolutely. Again,
it's the capability here.
853
00:40:56,367 --> 00:41:00,300
It's running rings around our
best cutting edge technology.
854
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:03,267
So, if whatever these are
are extraterrestrial,
855
00:41:03,300 --> 00:41:05,500
if there are aliens out there
and they are,
856
00:41:05,533 --> 00:41:08,600
as they would have
to be here a technologically
advanced species,
857
00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:11,233
then chances are they come
from what is known as
858
00:41:11,267 --> 00:41:13,467
a Goldilocks planet
where conditions
859
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:15,300
for life are just right.
860
00:41:15,333 --> 00:41:16,700
With more, here's Jessica
861
00:41:16,733 --> 00:41:20,267
and renowned astrophysicist
and author of Quantum Life,
862
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,133
Dr. Hakeem Oluseyi.
863
00:41:23,367 --> 00:41:24,233
Thank you, Josh.
864
00:41:24,267 --> 00:41:26,533
Dr. O, we know
our universe is vast
865
00:41:26,567 --> 00:41:29,200
and there are more planets
beyond our solar system,
866
00:41:29,233 --> 00:41:32,933
so let's talk about life
on those planets.
867
00:41:32,967 --> 00:41:35,867
To say our universe is vast
is an understatement.
868
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:39,200
This representation right here
shows galaxies.
869
00:41:39,233 --> 00:41:40,700
We think of galaxies as being
870
00:41:40,733 --> 00:41:42,733
the basic building blocks
of the universe
871
00:41:42,767 --> 00:41:44,867
and there's 2 trillion
galaxies
872
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:46,300
in the observable universe.
873
00:41:46,333 --> 00:41:51,067
Now, each galaxies has
on average 100 billion stars,
874
00:41:51,067 --> 00:41:55,067
so that's 100 billion
trillion stars
875
00:41:55,067 --> 00:41:56,067
that we're talking about.
876
00:41:56,067 --> 00:41:57,867
And what we learned from
the Kepler satellite,
877
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:00,533
is that star, when they form,
878
00:42:00,567 --> 00:42:03,300
planet formation is
a side effect of
star formation.
879
00:42:03,333 --> 00:42:05,933
So, just about every star
has planets.
880
00:42:05,967 --> 00:42:09,067
So, we're talking about
multiples of a hundred billion
881
00:42:09,067 --> 00:42:10,667
trillion when we're talking
about planets.
882
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:13,300
So that's a lot of opportunity
for life in the universe
883
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:15,633
and for technological life
to come about in the universe.
884
00:42:15,667 --> 00:42:17,367
That's amazing.
Tons of opportunities there.
885
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,067
So, I know there are different
types of goldilocks planets.
886
00:42:20,067 --> 00:42:21,767
So, let's talk about
the ice covered ones.
887
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,167
What makes it so special?
888
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,067
So, when we look for life
away from earth,
889
00:42:26,100 --> 00:42:28,067
we have a phrase,
and that phrase is,
890
00:42:28,067 --> 00:42:29,267
"Follow the water."
891
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:31,367
What we see for
ice covered worlds,
892
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,533
like we have right here
893
00:42:32,567 --> 00:42:34,667
we have these in our own
solar system.
894
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:37,233
Enceladus and Europa,
are moons,
895
00:42:37,267 --> 00:42:40,067
that have ice
on the surface,
896
00:42:40,067 --> 00:42:41,300
and the ice is miles thick.
897
00:42:41,333 --> 00:42:43,667
But under underneath
there's a liquid water ocean.
898
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:45,167
And what we know about life,
899
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,200
based on the work
of biologists
and astrobiologists
900
00:42:48,233 --> 00:42:49,600
-of the last 20 years...
-Mmm-hmm
901
00:42:49,633 --> 00:42:54,167
...is that life starts in the
absence of light and oxygen.
902
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,233
So, life could get started
on a place just like this.
903
00:42:57,267 --> 00:43:00,600
Okay, and so, then what about
earth-like exoplanets?
904
00:43:00,633 --> 00:43:02,767
Yeah.
Now we're getting to planets
905
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,467
-that are more like
ourselves, right?
-Yeah.
906
00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:06,433
So we're talking
about rocky worlds.
907
00:43:06,467 --> 00:43:08,800
And these rocky worlds
have a surface.
908
00:43:08,833 --> 00:43:12,067
And on earth's surface,
that's where we have
a lot of water.
909
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:14,600
Now it turns out that
one of the
most common type
910
00:43:14,633 --> 00:43:17,300
of earth-like planets is
what we call a super earth.
911
00:43:17,333 --> 00:43:20,933
They're more massive,
bigger and gravity
is stronger.
912
00:43:20,967 --> 00:43:23,267
so, there is a life form that
913
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:24,633
comes into existence there,
914
00:43:24,667 --> 00:43:28,333
it's going to be
a lot stronger
and a lot shorter.
915
00:43:28,367 --> 00:43:30,433
So, think
dwarf Incredible Hulks.
916
00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:32,067
That's amazing.
917
00:43:32,067 --> 00:43:33,333
All right, so tell us
then about...
918
00:43:33,367 --> 00:43:34,733
What are habitable zones?
919
00:43:34,767 --> 00:43:36,367
Right, so the habitable zone,
920
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,833
is kind of an old idea.
921
00:43:37,867 --> 00:43:41,567
because we thought about
the habitable zone as
where life may form
922
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,267
and where life
may be found.
923
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:45,167
But like I said,
we now know
924
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,933
that life is not formed.
925
00:43:46,967 --> 00:43:48,367
And what this
has to do with is
926
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,800
how far away
the planet is from its star
927
00:43:50,833 --> 00:43:53,400
so it can have liquid
water on its surface.
928
00:43:53,433 --> 00:43:54,633
Now...
929
00:43:54,667 --> 00:43:56,900
What this doesn't tell you is
what's the light conditions
930
00:43:56,933 --> 00:43:58,200
on the surface of the star.
931
00:43:58,233 --> 00:44:00,600
So, here on earth
something really
special happened.
932
00:44:00,633 --> 00:44:02,067
Whereas most planets
933
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:03,133
where you're going
to find liquid,
934
00:44:03,167 --> 00:44:04,633
they're going to be
under thick atmospheres
935
00:44:04,667 --> 00:44:06,633
or miles of ice,
or miles of rock.
936
00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:09,167
On earth we have
a transparent atmosphere.
937
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,667
So, we have an ocean,
with early life in it,
938
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:14,133
you mix it up
and shine energy on it
939
00:44:14,167 --> 00:44:16,933
-for four billion years,
what do you get?
-Mmm-hmm.
940
00:44:16,967 --> 00:44:19,600
Eventually, that life learns
to use that light
941
00:44:19,633 --> 00:44:20,733
to create oxygen,
942
00:44:20,767 --> 00:44:22,500
which is deadly
to early life,
943
00:44:22,533 --> 00:44:26,133
but it allows
and sets the stage for
life like ourselves.
944
00:44:26,167 --> 00:44:28,567
So, a habitable zone
945
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,600
is where you can
have an explosion of life
946
00:44:31,633 --> 00:44:34,600
that can lead to intelligent
and technologically
advanced life.
947
00:44:34,633 --> 00:44:36,967
So, someone flipped the
lights on and it's go time.
948
00:44:37,067 --> 00:44:38,833
That's right.
After a few billion years.
949
00:44:38,867 --> 00:44:40,533
After... Yeah.
Give or take, yeah.
950
00:44:40,567 --> 00:44:43,333
Thanks for your time, Dr. O.
Josh, back to you.
951
00:44:43,367 --> 00:44:44,733
Thanks, Jessica and Dr. O.
952
00:44:44,767 --> 00:44:47,567
Now turning from science
to science fiction.
953
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,233
One of the longest running
and popular tv shows
954
00:44:50,267 --> 00:44:53,067
in sci-fi history
was The X-files.
955
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,500
The show's creator,
Chris Carter spoke candidly
956
00:44:55,533 --> 00:44:57,800
about the Pentagon report
and the possibility of
957
00:44:57,833 --> 00:44:59,667
life beyond earth.
958
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,067
People asked me
what I believe
959
00:45:05,067 --> 00:45:07,800
in the UFO phenomenon
and alien abduction
phenomenon,
960
00:45:07,833 --> 00:45:10,133
and I'm kind of a hybrid
of Mulder and Scully.
961
00:45:10,167 --> 00:45:13,600
Like Mulder I want to believe
like that poster on his wall,
962
00:45:13,633 --> 00:45:16,067
and like Scully,
I want to see the science.
963
00:45:16,067 --> 00:45:18,167
Uh, I'm skeptical by nature.
964
00:45:19,733 --> 00:45:21,500
For me the videos
are exciting.
965
00:45:21,533 --> 00:45:25,167
That on modern equipment
and with modern technology
966
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,067
We are capturing something
967
00:45:27,067 --> 00:45:29,300
that is out there,
and it's behaving
968
00:45:29,333 --> 00:45:32,333
in a strange
and mysterious manner.
969
00:45:32,367 --> 00:45:34,300
This is a really exciting time
970
00:45:34,333 --> 00:45:36,767
We may or may not learn
what these things are,
971
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,533
but I think it's...
recent studies
and recent sightings
972
00:45:39,567 --> 00:45:40,367
have pushed things forward.
973
00:45:42,467 --> 00:45:45,833
i think our reactions
to the UFO videos
are healthy.
974
00:45:45,867 --> 00:45:48,767
The pilots, for me,
seem unimpeachable.
975
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,300
What they gathered
from their avionics
976
00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:53,833
or radar
seems beyond doubt
977
00:45:53,867 --> 00:45:54,967
that they saw those things.
978
00:45:55,067 --> 00:45:56,933
and that their reactions
to them are real.
979
00:45:56,967 --> 00:45:58,767
[man] Oh! Got him!
980
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,233
[Chris] So the X-Files,
and the subject matter
and UFOs
981
00:46:02,267 --> 00:46:05,833
are being some credence
that they might not have
had before.
982
00:46:05,867 --> 00:46:08,133
You know, I believe that we
don't have answers.
983
00:46:08,167 --> 00:46:10,067
I believe that we're searching
for answers.
984
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:13,533
I believe that there are
the possibility of
alien life out there.
985
00:46:13,567 --> 00:46:16,233
Like Carl Sagan
who actually said,
986
00:46:16,267 --> 00:46:18,067
you know, "There's more
chance than not."
987
00:46:18,067 --> 00:46:20,367
And now we've discovered
since the '90s
988
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,833
there are these
exoplanets revolving
around their own suns.
989
00:46:23,867 --> 00:46:27,633
The chance is
even greater now there is
life on these planets.
990
00:46:31,533 --> 00:46:34,467
The truth is out there.
We've asked for your tweets,
991
00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,867
photos and footage.
Let's see who answered
the call.
992
00:46:39,533 --> 00:46:42,267
Artemis here says,
"Do you think we'll meet
993
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:44,800
actual aliens
in our lifetime?"
994
00:46:44,833 --> 00:46:47,200
Nick, what are your thoughts
on that?
995
00:46:47,233 --> 00:46:49,800
I hope so. I think ours
will be the generation
996
00:46:49,833 --> 00:46:51,633
that makes that discovery
whether it's through
997
00:46:51,667 --> 00:46:54,667
-science or UFOs or both.
-Fantastic.
998
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,767
Asked and answered.
Don't be shy about sending us
999
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,567
your questions using
the #UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE.
1000
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,733
Josh, take it away.
1001
00:47:03,767 --> 00:47:07,900
Well, coming up, we will be
screening the entire footage
1002
00:47:07,933 --> 00:47:10,867
that got the entire
pentagon report rolling.
1003
00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:14,333
Plus our experts will debate
the origins of the UAPs
1004
00:47:14,367 --> 00:47:17,967
when UFOs Declassified:
LIVE returns.
1005
00:47:37,267 --> 00:47:40,867
Welcome back to
UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
1006
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,467
I'm Josh Gates. Personally,
I have been blown away
1007
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:45,067
by what we've seen so far.
1008
00:47:45,067 --> 00:47:47,467
And man, we are
just warming up.
There is so much more.
1009
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:49,867
Earlier this year,
the pentagon confirmed
1010
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:53,667
that one of the most
intriguing UFO videos
on record,
1011
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:57,133
footage of a mysterious
triangular airborne craft,
1012
00:47:57,167 --> 00:48:00,367
sourced by our own
Jeremy Corbell here
back in 2019
1013
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,533
is indeed authentic.
1014
00:48:02,567 --> 00:48:06,100
Check this out. This is
the pyramid-shaped UFO.
1015
00:48:07,233 --> 00:48:09,267
All right. Walk me
through this, Jeremy.
1016
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:10,767
-What are we looking at?
-[Jeremy] Sure.
1017
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,800
So, George and I obtained
and released,
1018
00:48:12,833 --> 00:48:17,267
this is night vision through
a night vision binocular
on board of the USS Russell.
1019
00:48:17,300 --> 00:48:21,100
There are pyramid-shaped UFOs,
numerous of them.
1020
00:48:21,133 --> 00:48:23,300
Three of them
were about 700 feet.
1021
00:48:23,333 --> 00:48:25,067
They are slow
and go with the ship.
1022
00:48:25,067 --> 00:48:27,700
[Josh] Oh, look at that.
It's not just one object.
It's multiple objects there.
1023
00:48:27,733 --> 00:48:29,533
[Jeremy] Right. One is
blinking and there's been
1024
00:48:29,567 --> 00:48:32,633
a lot of thought about that,
is this just the UFO blinking
1025
00:48:32,667 --> 00:48:34,433
or is this reflection
from a surface
1026
00:48:34,467 --> 00:48:36,633
and the blinking is something
from the ship.
1027
00:48:36,667 --> 00:48:39,633
We don't know. But these are
pyramid-shaped UFOs,
1028
00:48:39,667 --> 00:48:42,467
swarming a Navy warship,
USS Russell.
1029
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:45,200
[Josh] Absolutely
incredible footage.
1030
00:48:45,233 --> 00:48:49,133
It's just mind bending because
you look at it and you think,
1031
00:48:49,167 --> 00:48:50,800
"What am I looking at here?"
1032
00:48:50,833 --> 00:48:55,167
[Jeremy] Confirmed
by the pentagon not,
only filmed by our military,
1033
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,500
but also to be included
as an unknown unidentified.
1034
00:48:58,533 --> 00:49:00,267
They're UFOs
and they're admitting it.
1035
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:02,533
Okay, so this footage
gets even crazier
1036
00:49:02,567 --> 00:49:04,900
because as amazing as this is,
1037
00:49:04,933 --> 00:49:09,067
this footage
was taken by the USS Russell
off the coast of San Diego
1038
00:49:09,067 --> 00:49:13,133
at the same exact same time,
nearby the USS Omaha
1039
00:49:13,167 --> 00:49:16,967
detected its own swarm
of unidentified objects.
1040
00:49:17,067 --> 00:49:20,467
Take a look at their radar
and give a listen
to the reaction
1041
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,333
of the military personnel.
This is amazing.
1042
00:49:23,367 --> 00:49:26,833
[man 1] If you can ride
a general that long
where we're at.
1043
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:32,367
The number of contacts
you got, speed meters off.
1044
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,200
-Yeah.
-Roll that position to us.
1045
00:49:36,067 --> 00:49:40,233
Eyes up, eyes up.
1046
00:49:41,333 --> 00:49:44,600
[indistinct radio chatter]
1047
00:49:46,767 --> 00:49:51,433
781 just sped up
to 46 knots, 50 knots,
1048
00:49:51,467 --> 00:49:54,067
closing in.
1049
00:49:56,967 --> 00:49:59,100
38 knots,
what the [bleep] is that?
1050
00:49:59,133 --> 00:50:02,800
-That one's pretty much
perfectly 000 relative, right?
-Yeah.
1051
00:50:03,433 --> 00:50:05,267
263 in three miles.
1052
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:08,300
55 knots speed.
1053
00:50:08,333 --> 00:50:11,400
All right. This just makes
my head hurt because,
you know, I have to say
1054
00:50:11,433 --> 00:50:15,900
I am a skeptically
minded person, but I look
at the pyramid footage
1055
00:50:15,933 --> 00:50:17,467
and I think, okay,
that's intriguing.
1056
00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:19,800
Then I look at the radar
from the Omaha nearby.
1057
00:50:19,833 --> 00:50:21,233
Now I really don't know
what to think.
1058
00:50:21,267 --> 00:50:23,300
And it gets even crazier.
1059
00:50:23,333 --> 00:50:26,633
I'm going to show you now
flair footage taken
from the Omaha.
1060
00:50:26,667 --> 00:50:31,100
It's a different view of one
of the UAP involved
in the radar swarm.
1061
00:50:31,133 --> 00:50:34,633
Give a listen to this.
It is really exciting.
1062
00:50:34,667 --> 00:50:40,833
Omaha, across the possibility
to launch kilo ASAP.
1063
00:50:41,733 --> 00:50:45,467
We're splashing apparently.
1064
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:47,967
-Keep going, bro.
-[indistinct chatter]
1065
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,933
We're making that [bleep].
1066
00:50:52,267 --> 00:50:54,267
Yeah, it's coming down.
1067
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,967
We got some water up there,
six foot twelves.
1068
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,500
Well, it's getting close.
1069
00:51:02,533 --> 00:51:08,967
Damn, we have
uh, 31 knots sustained,
wind topside, gusts of 40.
1070
00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:13,067
-It splashed.
-Splashed. Bearing a range.
1071
00:51:13,067 --> 00:51:15,700
-So, it goes in the water.
-Yeah.
1072
00:51:15,733 --> 00:51:18,767
It's suspected that it goes
into the water like
a transmedian vehicle.
1073
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,933
They're not exactly sure,
but they did send out
1074
00:51:20,967 --> 00:51:23,167
-a submarine to look for it.
-So walk me through this term
1075
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,467
'cause I've heard this
before, a transmedia vehicle.
1076
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:27,500
This means it can be
in the air and underwater.
1077
00:51:27,533 --> 00:51:29,600
Right. So something that can
penetrate the space
1078
00:51:29,633 --> 00:51:32,967
between air and sea
without disturbance,
1079
00:51:33,067 --> 00:51:34,400
without destruction.
1080
00:51:34,433 --> 00:51:37,167
It's just remarkable to see it
do that.
1081
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,767
Nick, is it possible that
what appears to be an object
going into the water here
1082
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,267
is some sort of, I don't know,
stealth technology,
optical illusion?
1083
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:49,067
Well, I wonder if it isn't
like the old magician's trick,
1084
00:51:49,067 --> 00:51:51,067
if doing something
with one hand,
1085
00:51:51,067 --> 00:51:53,733
but the real action
is going on in the other.
1086
00:51:53,767 --> 00:51:56,067
And, I mean,
this is extraordinary.
1087
00:51:56,067 --> 00:52:00,833
But in 2018, the defense
intelligence agency
wrote to Congress
1088
00:52:00,867 --> 00:52:05,067
about a number of studies
being undertaken under
the Pentagon's A-tip program.
1089
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:08,367
And in there were all this
advanced theoretical
physical concepts
1090
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,967
such as warp drives,
worm holes and invisibility.
1091
00:52:12,067 --> 00:52:14,867
And we mentioned
this submarine,
they did send a submarine
1092
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,133
-down to look for this thing?
-Yes, 'cause understand.
1093
00:52:17,167 --> 00:52:21,067
This was a swarm.
There were multiple UFOs
across many ships.
1094
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:24,367
And so when they see this one
that goes or appears
to go into the water,
1095
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,100
they wanted to find
the wreckage of the craft.
1096
00:52:26,133 --> 00:52:28,767
I have to say, as compelling
as the report is,
1097
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,067
this sequence
of this flair footage,
the radar footage,
1098
00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:35,767
the night vision,
it's just so interesting.
1099
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,767
Okay. And also,
unidentified objects,
1100
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,533
they are not just something
that are appearing
in the United States.
1101
00:52:42,567 --> 00:52:46,900
Up next, we're going to
investigate UAP sightings
from around the globe.
1102
00:52:46,933 --> 00:52:49,533
Plus, we have got some
phenomenal new footage
1103
00:52:49,567 --> 00:52:52,733
from the deck of the Omaha
which checks all the boxes.
1104
00:52:52,767 --> 00:52:55,933
And maybe the final piece
of evidence our experts need
1105
00:52:55,967 --> 00:52:59,433
to nail down whether
these UAPs are adversary,
1106
00:52:59,467 --> 00:53:02,767
extraterrestrial or
something else entirely.
1107
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,500
And later, we'll be joined
by none other
than the head of NASA.
1108
00:53:31,667 --> 00:53:34,233
Welcome back to
UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
1109
00:53:34,267 --> 00:53:35,733
I'm your host Josh Gates.
1110
00:53:35,767 --> 00:53:40,167
The footage of pyramid-shaped
UFOs may be relatively new
to many of us,
1111
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,167
but actually pyramid videos
have been around
for quite a while.
1112
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,100
In fact, our own George Knapp
1113
00:53:46,133 --> 00:53:50,800
smuggled some pyramid
UFO footage out of Russia
several few years ago.
1114
00:53:50,833 --> 00:53:54,400
Let's go to Jessica
and the man himself
to talk about it. Jess?
1115
00:53:54,433 --> 00:53:57,167
Thanks, Josh.
George, let's talk a look
at your pyramid video
1116
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,500
-and you can tell me about it.
-Okay.
1117
00:53:59,533 --> 00:54:01,233
So what have we got here?
1118
00:54:01,267 --> 00:54:04,167
This is a huge pyramid-shaped
object, not triangle,
1119
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,367
but pyramid that was shot
over the skies of Latvia
in 1968.
1120
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,467
It ended up in
the ministry of defense.
1121
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,600
Russia's ministry of defense
had giant files on UFOs
1122
00:54:13,633 --> 00:54:16,567
that I tried
to access in the early '90s.
1123
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,567
You might recall
during the early '90s,
1124
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,167
Glasnost, Perestroika,
that country was undergoing
a lot of changes
1125
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,467
and I thought maybe there's
a window of opportunity
1126
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:26,767
to find out what the Russians
know about UFOs
1127
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,067
and also, what the Americans
know about UFOs
from the Russians.
1128
00:54:30,067 --> 00:54:33,300
And we went over there
with the help
of a Russian physicist
1129
00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:35,267
who had government contacts.
1130
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:38,967
He put us in touch with
ministry of defense officials
and intelligence officials
1131
00:54:39,067 --> 00:54:41,867
and they told us about the
biggest UFO study in history.
1132
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:43,633
It was ten-year long study.
1133
00:54:43,667 --> 00:54:45,700
The whole Russian military
was part of it.
1134
00:54:45,733 --> 00:54:49,267
They had collected tens
of thousands of reports,
including videos,
1135
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:51,367
and I was able to get
some of that material,
1136
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,200
-classified as it was,
and bring it back.
-Very interesting.
1137
00:54:54,233 --> 00:54:57,867
I wanted to zoom in on this
a little bit so we can
get a better view.
1138
00:54:57,900 --> 00:55:00,467
Oh, I need that to go. Ooh.
1139
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:01,600
No, my zoom is not working.
1140
00:55:01,633 --> 00:55:04,367
So, how did you manage
to smuggle this out of Russia?
1141
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,867
I think I'm gonna be vague
about that
1142
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:08,633
-because someday I might want
to go back to Russia.
-[laughs] Nice.
1143
00:55:08,667 --> 00:55:12,067
Yeah, but it was
a very tense moment,
I'll just put it that way.
1144
00:55:12,067 --> 00:55:14,433
But they consider this
to be a genuine UFO
1145
00:55:14,467 --> 00:55:17,267
because of some
of the characteristics
of how it flew,
1146
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:19,433
even though we don't see it
in this film clip.
1147
00:55:19,467 --> 00:55:22,267
But it was part
of a gigantic cache
of information
1148
00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:25,067
that the ministry of defense
collected over
a ten-year period.
1149
00:55:25,067 --> 00:55:28,467
-How long ago was this
particular footage taken?
-That's 1968.
1150
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:31,167
Latvia which was sort of
part of the USSR back then.
1151
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,867
The USSR crumbled
and the Russians took over,
1152
00:55:34,900 --> 00:55:36,100
but that was in their files.
1153
00:55:36,133 --> 00:55:38,700
So obviously there's been
video documentation
1154
00:55:38,733 --> 00:55:41,900
of pyramid-shaped UFOs
for over 50 years.
1155
00:55:41,933 --> 00:55:46,267
Why do you think people
are only talking and paying
attention about it now?
1156
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:47,967
It's kind of
a combination of events.
1157
00:55:48,067 --> 00:55:50,133
You know, there's always
something more important
in your life,
1158
00:55:50,167 --> 00:55:53,667
the economy, your family,
whatever, you know, politics.
1159
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:58,367
And now we've had such
an avalanche of UFO coverage
by main stream media
1160
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,533
that it's caught the attention
of the public in a way
1161
00:56:01,567 --> 00:56:03,300
that I never thought
I would see in my life.
1162
00:56:03,333 --> 00:56:06,200
That's great. Well, right now
we're going to do
a side-by-side comparison
1163
00:56:06,233 --> 00:56:09,567
of your footage
and the footage from 2019.
1164
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,567
So let's pull that up.
1165
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,633
So what I think is really
interesting about this
1166
00:56:13,667 --> 00:56:16,767
is over here from Latvia,
you kind of have
a beveled edge.
1167
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,167
It's all by itself
and it's kind of
staying perfectly still.
1168
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,900
Over here, you've got
multiple shaped UFOs
1169
00:56:21,933 --> 00:56:24,800
or multiple
triangle-shaped UFOs
1170
00:56:24,833 --> 00:56:26,933
as well as the fact
that it's pulsing.
1171
00:56:26,967 --> 00:56:29,333
Yeah, this guy,
the pyramid over here
1172
00:56:29,367 --> 00:56:31,067
brought his buddies
along with him.
1173
00:56:31,067 --> 00:56:33,200
If you notice, if you watch
the footage close enough,
1174
00:56:33,233 --> 00:56:34,700
they're not traveling
all at once.
1175
00:56:34,733 --> 00:56:37,100
It's not a reflection,
those two different objects
1176
00:56:37,133 --> 00:56:42,100
are paced at a different pace
than the main object
that we see that's flashing.
1177
00:56:42,133 --> 00:56:43,900
This guy came by himself.
1178
00:56:43,933 --> 00:56:45,900
Would you say
just off the top of your head,
1179
00:56:45,933 --> 00:56:47,367
could they potentially
be related
1180
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,733
and this is just a more
advanced version
of whatever this was?
1181
00:56:49,767 --> 00:56:51,300
Yeah, that's a good thought.
1182
00:56:51,333 --> 00:56:54,600
I mean, it was 30 years
in between, so it's possible,
40 years in between,
1183
00:56:54,633 --> 00:56:59,067
so it's possible that the same
kind of technology is
reflected in those film clips.
1184
00:56:59,067 --> 00:57:01,533
Interesting. I'd say
yours holds up.
1185
00:57:01,567 --> 00:57:04,400
Thank you very much, George.
Back to you, Josh.
1186
00:57:04,433 --> 00:57:07,600
Absolutely incredible stuff.
For the kids watching at home,
1187
00:57:07,633 --> 00:57:10,067
don't smuggle UFO videos
out of Russia.
1188
00:57:10,067 --> 00:57:11,667
It's a bold move, George.
1189
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:15,233
Look, the fact he was able
to smuggle this footage out
proves this next point.
1190
00:57:15,267 --> 00:57:18,833
These UAPs, they are
a worldwide concern.
1191
00:57:18,867 --> 00:57:20,633
So far we have focused
on sightings
1192
00:57:20,667 --> 00:57:24,067
off the Florida
and California coast here
in the United States,
1193
00:57:24,067 --> 00:57:26,967
but the phenomena extends
all around the globe.
1194
00:57:27,067 --> 00:57:28,300
Let's take a look.
1195
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:33,267
[Nick] UFOs are
a global phenomenon.
1196
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:37,600
While the current spotlight
is on the United States,
1197
00:57:37,633 --> 00:57:41,633
there is more to this
than just those three
U.S. Navy videos.
1198
00:57:41,667 --> 00:57:43,067
[man] My gosh.
1199
00:57:43,067 --> 00:57:44,933
[man speaking other language]
1200
00:57:50,933 --> 00:57:53,733
[Tom] I think when it comes
to UFOs, it's a global issue.
1201
00:57:53,767 --> 00:57:56,433
It's a humanity issue.
What I've seen
with other countries
1202
00:57:56,467 --> 00:58:00,633
is pretty interesting.
Every country
for the most part
1203
00:58:00,667 --> 00:58:04,300
has their own UFO program.
They're much more open
1204
00:58:04,333 --> 00:58:07,400
with their population
on these things than we are.
1205
00:58:07,433 --> 00:58:10,267
But we're really
kind of waiting for us
to take the lead.
1206
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:16,433
I think it would be safe
to say that most
world governments
1207
00:58:16,467 --> 00:58:19,933
have encountered this UAP
phenomenon without a doubt.
1208
00:58:19,967 --> 00:58:21,200
It appears everywhere.
1209
00:58:22,067 --> 00:58:24,133
[Jim] But
we can't predict
1210
00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:25,600
when they're going to appear,
1211
00:58:25,633 --> 00:58:26,833
why they're going to appear
1212
00:58:26,867 --> 00:58:28,600
and where they're
going to appear.
1213
00:58:28,633 --> 00:58:30,967
But we do know that
there are some governments,
1214
00:58:31,067 --> 00:58:34,700
particularly in Brazil,
Argentina, Chile, Peru,
1215
00:58:34,733 --> 00:58:38,233
France, the UK, Australia,
1216
00:58:38,267 --> 00:58:40,067
all of these countries
1217
00:58:40,067 --> 00:58:42,667
have information
on these sightings.
1218
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:44,333
[Keith] It seems
very simple to say
1219
00:58:44,367 --> 00:58:47,400
"Why don't all the countries
of the world cooperate,
1220
00:58:47,433 --> 00:58:48,400
be friends,"
1221
00:58:48,433 --> 00:58:50,800
and until there is a global
1222
00:58:50,833 --> 00:58:53,500
acknowledgment of the threat,
1223
00:58:53,533 --> 00:58:57,300
it seems unlikely
that there will be
significant cooperation.
1224
00:59:01,567 --> 00:59:02,967
Incredibly enlightening stuff.
1225
00:59:03,067 --> 00:59:04,633
I think it begs
the question also,
1226
00:59:04,667 --> 00:59:07,933
if these UAPs are being
spotted around the world,
1227
00:59:07,967 --> 00:59:09,567
does that bolster
the theory that
1228
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,700
perhaps
they're extraterrestrials.
1229
00:59:11,733 --> 00:59:13,800
Joining us is Nick Pope.
1230
00:59:13,833 --> 00:59:15,767
Nick, let me ask you this,
these global sightings,
1231
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,100
are they largely similar?
1232
00:59:18,133 --> 00:59:19,733
There are similarities, yes.
1233
00:59:19,767 --> 00:59:23,333
Um, in shape,
in sudden accelerations,
1234
00:59:23,367 --> 00:59:26,167
in the ability to go through
the sound barrier
1235
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,233
with no sonic boom.
1236
00:59:27,267 --> 00:59:28,900
I mean,
this is a global phenomenon.
1237
00:59:28,933 --> 00:59:30,567
Everything I know from
my government work
1238
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,900
tells me there are sightings
around the world,
1239
00:59:32,933 --> 00:59:37,100
programs usually embedded in
DODs and air forces,
1240
00:59:37,133 --> 00:59:39,067
and if anyone says,
as skeptics occasionally do
1241
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:40,833
why aren't there any sightings
1242
00:59:40,867 --> 00:59:42,467
in this country
or that country,
1243
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:44,500
it's usually
because the politics,
1244
00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:45,933
the language, the culture.
1245
00:59:45,967 --> 00:59:48,533
The sightings are there,
we're just not
hearing about them.
1246
00:59:48,567 --> 00:59:51,300
You know,
one of the most mind boggling
1247
00:59:51,333 --> 00:59:53,600
international sightings
that I've ever seen
1248
00:59:53,633 --> 00:59:55,667
is this sighting from...
from Puerto Rico.
1249
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:56,667
Take a look at this.
1250
00:59:58,867 --> 01:00:02,000
We have this incident
where we have this object
is being tracked
1251
01:00:02,033 --> 01:00:03,500
and it is flying along.
1252
01:00:03,533 --> 01:00:06,833
Jeremy, tell us a little bit
about what's going to
happen here.
1253
01:00:06,867 --> 01:00:09,700
[Jeremy]
Well, what you see is like
a trans medium vehicle.
1254
01:00:09,733 --> 01:00:12,833
it's a vehicle that goes
from the air
through the water
1255
01:00:12,867 --> 01:00:15,067
without decelerating at all.
1256
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:16,933
it also at one point
splits in two.
1257
01:00:16,967 --> 01:00:18,967
And this was
filmed by the, uh...
1258
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,600
Homeland Security was
the original place
it was filmed from.
1259
01:00:21,633 --> 01:00:24,600
So, it's a pretty astounding
piece of clear footage.
1260
01:00:24,633 --> 01:00:28,500
[Josh] This moment where
it appears to beak in two,
though right here,
1261
01:00:28,533 --> 01:00:29,900
this is really astounding.
1262
01:00:29,933 --> 01:00:32,533
The object literally--
It's like a magic trick.
1263
01:00:32,567 --> 01:00:34,833
We have this one object
that suddenly becomes
1264
01:00:34,867 --> 01:00:37,667
two objects just in
the blink of an eye.
1265
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:39,000
[Jeremy] It was highly studied
1266
01:00:39,033 --> 01:00:40,733
and the fact that it moves
through the water
1267
01:00:40,767 --> 01:00:43,000
without deceleration
that again shows that
1268
01:00:43,033 --> 01:00:46,067
trans medium characteristic
that UFOs are known for.
1269
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:48,133
Because most objects
that are travelling
at a high speed,
1270
01:00:48,167 --> 01:00:50,567
that are aerial,
they hit the water,
it over right?
1271
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,133
They slow down,
they stop.
1272
01:00:52,167 --> 01:00:53,900
There's a huge amount of drag
and friction.
1273
01:00:53,933 --> 01:00:55,433
This thing keeps going.
1274
01:00:55,467 --> 01:00:58,700
That's right. And that's due
most likely to
the propulsion system itself.
1275
01:00:58,733 --> 01:01:02,300
Any evidence this footage
could be doctored?
1276
01:01:02,333 --> 01:01:04,233
This footage? No.
1277
01:01:04,267 --> 01:01:06,133
-[Josh] Do you see any
evidence of that George?
-[George] No.
1278
01:01:06,167 --> 01:01:08,833
The STU, a really
reputable organization,
1279
01:01:08,867 --> 01:01:10,800
they did an analysis
of this over several months,
1280
01:01:10,833 --> 01:01:12,533
they studied
every frame of it,
1281
01:01:12,567 --> 01:01:14,067
they believe it
to be legitimate
1282
01:01:14,067 --> 01:01:15,767
and they don't
have an explanation
1283
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,933
for how one object
splits into two,
1284
01:01:17,967 --> 01:01:21,633
and they're both still
flying under some
controlled circumstances.
1285
01:01:21,667 --> 01:01:23,367
You know, one of the things
here in the Unites States,
1286
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:24,900
historically has been
that our government
1287
01:01:24,933 --> 01:01:28,200
has been tight lipped
about UFO activity.
1288
01:01:28,233 --> 01:01:30,733
I'm curious, as we talk about
these global sightings,
1289
01:01:30,767 --> 01:01:33,200
how is this handled
in other countries
around the world?
1290
01:01:33,233 --> 01:01:35,800
Most of them seem to follow
the United States model.
1291
01:01:35,833 --> 01:01:37,167
Our allies certainly
follow that.
1292
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,467
I think the UK takes its
cues from the US.
1293
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:41,833
That they say one thing
behind the scenes
1294
01:01:41,867 --> 01:01:43,733
scenes and something else
to the public.
1295
01:01:43,767 --> 01:01:45,100
That certainly was true
for Russia.
1296
01:01:45,133 --> 01:01:47,600
They told their people
for decades,
1297
01:01:47,633 --> 01:01:49,167
that this was
a capitalist plot.
1298
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,133
Pay no attention
to these UFOs.
1299
01:01:51,167 --> 01:01:52,867
Behind the scenes they were
studying it,
1300
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:54,167
-for very practical reasons...
-[Josh] Right.
1301
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,067
...trying to figure out
how to make their own.
1302
01:01:56,067 --> 01:01:58,367
One of the things I saw,
I went to Chile
a few years ago,
1303
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,567
and they had a program there
that was actually quite
open to the public.
1304
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,433
They were encouraging
people to come forward,
1305
01:02:03,467 --> 01:02:05,067
encouraging pilots
to come forward.
1306
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,900
I think whether you're
a believer or skeptic,
1307
01:02:07,933 --> 01:02:10,800
just for the sake
of national security
1308
01:02:10,833 --> 01:02:12,833
or the sake of anybody
who gets in an airplane,
1309
01:02:12,867 --> 01:02:15,600
surely there's
got to be real value
to encouraging people
1310
01:02:15,633 --> 01:02:16,567
to report these things.
1311
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:17,433
Here's the thing,
1312
01:02:17,467 --> 01:02:19,233
we're in a race for this
technology.
1313
01:02:19,267 --> 01:02:21,333
United States wants it.
UK wants it.
1314
01:02:21,367 --> 01:02:22,933
Russia wants it.
China wants it.
1315
01:02:22,967 --> 01:02:26,567
And the first nation to figure
this stuff out wins.
1316
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,600
All right, well,
thank you everybody,
very informative.
1317
01:02:28,633 --> 01:02:30,167
Coming up,
our panel of experts
1318
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,467
will be breaking down
more key videos
1319
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:34,767
as we debate whether
these UAPs are
1320
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,933
adversaries, extraterrestrials
1321
01:02:36,967 --> 01:02:38,467
or something else entirely.
1322
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:40,700
And later in the show,
we are going to learn about
1323
01:02:40,733 --> 01:02:43,600
arguably the most
groundbreaking
cosmic discovery
1324
01:02:43,633 --> 01:02:44,967
of the century.
1325
01:02:45,067 --> 01:02:48,100
Plus we'll hear more from
the producer and creator
of The X-Files.
1326
01:02:48,133 --> 01:02:51,700
Use the #UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE
on Twitter
1327
01:02:51,733 --> 01:02:54,967
and submit your questions
for our panelists now.
1328
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:21,667
[Josh] Welcome back to
UFOs Declassified Live.
1329
01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:23,067
Looking at our twitter poll,
1330
01:03:23,067 --> 01:03:26,433
a whopping 89.4% of you
1331
01:03:26,467 --> 01:03:30,067
believe that there is
life outside our solar system.
1332
01:03:30,100 --> 01:03:32,067
We're winning over hearts
and minds tonight.
1333
01:03:32,067 --> 01:03:34,067
Uh, welcome back to the show.
I'm Josh Gates.
1334
01:03:34,067 --> 01:03:36,067
We are getting closer
to the final verdict
1335
01:03:36,067 --> 01:03:38,500
on the Pentagon's
groundbreaking report.
1336
01:03:38,533 --> 01:03:41,567
Bow this next piece of footage
checks a lot of boxes.
1337
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,533
In 2015,
on the USS Theodore Roosevelt,
1338
01:03:44,567 --> 01:03:47,167
the navy captured what's
come to be known as
1339
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,333
"Go fast" video,
off the coast of Florida.
1340
01:03:50,367 --> 01:03:51,433
Check this out.[
1341
01:04:02,733 --> 01:04:04,067
[indistinct radio chatter]
1342
01:04:04,067 --> 01:04:06,667
[man] Whoa! Got him.
[laughing]
1343
01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:08,800
-Whoo-hoo.
-[man 2] Roger...
1344
01:04:08,833 --> 01:04:11,133
Are you [bleep] see in this?
1345
01:04:11,167 --> 01:04:12,700
What is that?
1346
01:04:12,733 --> 01:04:13,900
Can you track?
It's a moving target.
1347
01:04:15,067 --> 01:04:16,233
[man 2]
No, I took an autotrack.
1348
01:04:16,267 --> 01:04:17,900
[man 2] Oh, okay.
1349
01:04:17,933 --> 01:04:20,200
Oh, my gosh, dude. Wow.
1350
01:04:20,233 --> 01:04:22,333
-[man 2] What is that?
-Look at it fly!
1351
01:04:22,367 --> 01:04:23,633
[laughing]
1352
01:04:26,167 --> 01:04:27,967
All right. Well, joining us
on the panel now
1353
01:04:28,067 --> 01:04:31,067
is former director of the CIA
office of technical service.
1354
01:04:31,067 --> 01:04:32,900
Please welcome, Bob Wallace.
How are you, sir?
1355
01:04:32,933 --> 01:04:34,167
It's an honor
to be here, Josh.
1356
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,767
Well, it's an honor
to have you here.
1357
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,233
Uh, you know,
let's start with this.
1358
01:04:37,267 --> 01:04:38,567
What... what is the likelihood
1359
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,967
that a foreign adversary
would be developing
1360
01:04:41,067 --> 01:04:43,933
technology like this without
the US knowing it.
1361
01:04:43,967 --> 01:04:47,233
Josh, if we were
doing our job,
we would know it. Right?
1362
01:04:47,267 --> 01:04:49,933
That's...
That's the whole
purpose of intelligence.
1363
01:04:49,967 --> 01:04:52,533
It's, uh, find out what
the adversary is doing,
1364
01:04:52,567 --> 01:04:55,533
find it out soon
and get it to people
1365
01:04:55,567 --> 01:04:56,767
who can make the decision.
1366
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,900
Now, with respect to
UAPs specifically,
1367
01:05:00,933 --> 01:05:03,900
if I could use
this illustration...
1368
01:05:03,933 --> 01:05:08,833
Uh, this piece of paper
represents all possible
1369
01:05:08,867 --> 01:05:11,800
information about UAPs.
1370
01:05:11,833 --> 01:05:16,067
Okay. This dot represents
what we know.
1371
01:05:16,067 --> 01:05:20,067
So, I caution us against being
too arrogant.
1372
01:05:20,067 --> 01:05:21,200
Wow, amazing.
1373
01:05:21,233 --> 01:05:23,467
We really blew our budget on
that visual aid there too.
1374
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:25,833
But I take your point.
We don't know much
at this point.
1375
01:05:25,867 --> 01:05:27,367
There's a lot we don't know.
1376
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,067
Uh, so, okay, we've got
eyewitness testimony.
1377
01:05:30,067 --> 01:05:31,800
We've got video.
We've got radar.
1378
01:05:31,833 --> 01:05:34,267
We've got movement.
We've got propulsion
in this last video.
1379
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:36,933
I mean, this one seems to
check all the boxes.
1380
01:05:36,967 --> 01:05:40,567
I turn now to Tracy,
our resident
fighter pilot here.
1381
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,967
What do you make of
the "Go fast" video?
1382
01:05:43,067 --> 01:05:44,233
What jumps out at you?
1383
01:05:44,267 --> 01:05:46,500
I think the video
is incredible.
1384
01:05:46,533 --> 01:05:48,633
As fighter pilots we think
that we're fast,
1385
01:05:48,667 --> 01:05:51,900
but this object looks like
it is going super-fast.
1386
01:05:51,933 --> 01:05:53,733
So, that's what I wanna
talk about here.
1387
01:05:53,767 --> 01:05:56,333
Compare it for me
to a fighter jet,
1388
01:05:56,367 --> 01:05:59,667
you know, how difficult is it
to even track
an object like this?
1389
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:01,800
Well, you can see
it looks like they're
working pretty hard
1390
01:06:01,833 --> 01:06:03,067
to get a lock.
1391
01:06:03,067 --> 01:06:07,133
And at first glance we might
think that it's many objects
1392
01:06:07,167 --> 01:06:09,267
going across
that particular screen.
1393
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:12,967
But when I look closer,
it looks like they're
trying to grab it
1394
01:06:13,067 --> 01:06:14,233
and then it breaks lock,
1395
01:06:14,267 --> 01:06:15,967
and then
the radar slews black,
1396
01:06:16,067 --> 01:06:18,267
and they try again,
breaks lock and slews back.
1397
01:06:18,300 --> 01:06:22,433
And then eventually,
it's able to bind
1398
01:06:22,467 --> 01:06:24,700
around the object and you can
hear the Wizzo saying that
1399
01:06:24,733 --> 01:06:27,800
he went to auto...
auto track mode
1400
01:06:27,833 --> 01:06:29,233
to auto slew onto it.
1401
01:06:29,267 --> 01:06:31,400
Right. And I love
asking you this question.
1402
01:06:31,433 --> 01:06:33,133
Have you ever seen
anything like this?
1403
01:06:33,167 --> 01:06:35,433
I have never seen
anything like this.
1404
01:06:35,467 --> 01:06:38,833
I love hearing that, you know,
because you know,
you are the one
1405
01:06:38,867 --> 01:06:41,067
up there that should be
able to identify this stuff.
1406
01:06:41,067 --> 01:06:44,500
And it's so mind bending when
we hear that we don't
know what this is.
1407
01:06:44,533 --> 01:06:47,067
George, how important
was this video,
1408
01:06:47,067 --> 01:06:48,900
to the compiling of
the Pentagon report?
1409
01:06:48,933 --> 01:06:50,533
Well, it's another brick
in the wall.
1410
01:06:50,567 --> 01:06:52,400
You'll recall the "Tic Tac"
was the first one
1411
01:06:52,433 --> 01:06:53,567
that was officially released,
1412
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,567
and that the New York times
reported on,
1413
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,167
then Gimbal,
then Go fast.
1414
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,533
And uh, taken altogether,
1415
01:06:59,567 --> 01:07:03,300
it certainly paints a picture
that someone out there
has got some technology
1416
01:07:03,333 --> 01:07:04,900
far beyond what we've got.
1417
01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:06,500
All right, I want to
understand this video
1418
01:07:06,533 --> 01:07:07,433
a little bit more.
1419
01:07:07,467 --> 01:07:09,167
So, let's check in
with Jessica and Dr. O
1420
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,800
to bring us up to speed
on propulsion and movement.
Jess.
1421
01:07:12,833 --> 01:07:15,800
Thanks, Josh. Dr. O,
we're throwing around
a lot of words
1422
01:07:15,833 --> 01:07:16,933
that aren't everyday terms.
1423
01:07:16,967 --> 01:07:19,500
So, let's start with g-force.
1424
01:07:19,533 --> 01:07:23,133
for example, traditional known
vehicles versus the UAPs
1425
01:07:23,167 --> 01:07:25,067
that we've been seeing,
a la the "Tic Tac."
1426
01:07:25,067 --> 01:07:27,300
What is g-force, exactly?
1427
01:07:27,333 --> 01:07:30,333
So, when a body...
If you're in a vehicle,
1428
01:07:30,367 --> 01:07:32,067
-and it changes direction...
-Yeah.
1429
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:34,067
If it speeds up
or slows down,
1430
01:07:34,067 --> 01:07:36,400
you will feel what is
like a force.
1431
01:07:36,433 --> 01:07:40,133
And that is due to a change in
your state of motion,
1432
01:07:40,167 --> 01:07:41,633
and we call that acceleration.
1433
01:07:41,667 --> 01:07:43,567
So, we look at a race car.
1434
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,133
it has a top speed of
246-miles-per-hour.
1435
01:07:47,167 --> 01:07:49,067
But if the car is going at
a constant speed,
1436
01:07:49,100 --> 01:07:50,500
it's not accelerating.
1437
01:07:50,533 --> 01:07:53,267
So, it doesn't matter
how fast you're going,
you don't feel forces.
1438
01:07:53,300 --> 01:07:54,600
But if it accelerates,
1439
01:07:54,633 --> 01:07:58,100
-and this accelerates 6gs,
you feel the force.
-I see.
1440
01:07:58,133 --> 01:08:01,433
So, a g is
a gravity equivalent.
1441
01:08:01,467 --> 01:08:05,233
So a person in this vehicle
will feel six times
their own weight
1442
01:08:05,267 --> 01:08:06,533
pressing on them.
1443
01:08:06,567 --> 01:08:08,600
If you're in a F-117,
1444
01:08:08,633 --> 01:08:12,067
it's top speed is
684 miles per hour.
1445
01:08:12,067 --> 01:08:15,367
But it's top acceleration
is 9gs.
1446
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,200
that means the pilot
will feel nine times
their own body weight.
1447
01:08:19,233 --> 01:08:21,833
And you can only
survive that a short time.
1448
01:08:21,867 --> 01:08:25,267
Really? So, zero to nine,
that's what's gonna hit you.
1449
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:26,533
-That's what
you're gonna feel.
-Oh, yeah.
1450
01:08:26,567 --> 01:08:28,067
When you're in a car
that goes really fast
1451
01:08:28,067 --> 01:08:29,167
you get pushed back
in your seat...
1452
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,533
-Yeah.
-That's a g-force.
1453
01:08:30,567 --> 01:08:33,233
That's an acceleration
creating a force
on your body.
1454
01:08:33,267 --> 01:08:35,633
Now we talk about an F-16.
1455
01:08:35,667 --> 01:08:37,067
-Mmm-hmm
-Look at that top speed.
1456
01:08:37,067 --> 01:08:39,067
1,500-miles-per-hour.
1457
01:08:39,067 --> 01:08:43,233
Much faster than the F-17
but the same
maximum acceleration.
1458
01:08:43,267 --> 01:08:44,067
-Okay.
-Right?
1459
01:08:44,067 --> 01:08:45,467
So inside your body...
1460
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:48,933
your body is designed to
be upright in gravity.
1461
01:08:48,967 --> 01:08:51,433
So, that determines
where blood goes.
1462
01:08:51,467 --> 01:08:53,067
And so,
if you accelerate too fast
1463
01:08:53,067 --> 01:08:54,533
it's going to go
where it's not supposed to.
1464
01:08:54,567 --> 01:08:56,833
So, then, how many gs
can the human body
1465
01:08:56,867 --> 01:09:00,267
withstand before it can't
withstand it anymore?
1466
01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:03,300
It depends.
It's a matter of the g-force
1467
01:09:03,333 --> 01:09:06,467
and the amount of time you
experience that g-force.
1468
01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:07,400
Mmm-hmm.
1469
01:09:07,433 --> 01:09:08,967
So... And it also depends
on your training.
1470
01:09:09,067 --> 01:09:10,833
So, a fighter pilot,
for example,
1471
01:09:10,867 --> 01:09:13,400
may hit 9 gs over the course
of their career
1472
01:09:13,433 --> 01:09:14,733
over and over
and over again.
1473
01:09:14,767 --> 01:09:16,967
But, you know, regular people
like you and me,
1474
01:09:17,067 --> 01:09:18,767
who are untrained...
1475
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,100
Well, I could survive it
but the average
person couldn't.
1476
01:09:21,133 --> 01:09:23,633
Well, I almost passed out
on The Mummy ride at...
1477
01:09:23,667 --> 01:09:25,633
-You know, it's fine.
I wouldn't make it.
-Might've been fear.
1478
01:09:25,667 --> 01:09:27,533
It... it was
definitely that too.
1479
01:09:27,567 --> 01:09:29,400
So how does this all compare
with the Tic Tac?
1480
01:09:29,433 --> 01:09:30,967
Now, what we have...
1481
01:09:31,067 --> 01:09:33,500
If we take these videos
at face value,
1482
01:09:33,533 --> 01:09:35,667
and say
this is a vehicle,
1483
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:38,067
that's changing speed
this rapidly,
1484
01:09:38,067 --> 01:09:39,300
that gives us data.
1485
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:40,667
'Cause look at those g-forces.
1486
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:42,433
-Yeah.
-Five thousand.
1487
01:09:42,467 --> 01:09:44,267
No living creature,
that we know
1488
01:09:44,300 --> 01:09:47,433
that's macroscopic like
ourselves could survive that.
1489
01:09:47,467 --> 01:09:50,433
So, that would say that
if we take it at face value,
1490
01:09:50,467 --> 01:09:52,400
is there a being inside there,
1491
01:09:52,433 --> 01:09:54,467
and if there is,
what is the trick that
1492
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:55,567
-allows them to survive.
-Yeah.
1493
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,767
Or maybe it's their drone,
or maybe it's a droid,
1494
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,533
-a robot, who know.
-Exactly.
1495
01:09:59,567 --> 01:10:01,667
-Interesting. Excellent.
-Thank you.
1496
01:10:01,700 --> 01:10:03,733
-So much fun to talk
with you Dr. O.
-Yes.
1497
01:10:03,767 --> 01:10:04,967
Josh.
1498
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,900
Well, thanks very much,
Jessica and Dr. O.
1499
01:10:06,933 --> 01:10:11,167
let's see what our followers
on Twitter have to say
at this point.
1500
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,767
Uh, HOOV says,
1501
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,433
the public deserves to
know the truth.
1502
01:10:15,467 --> 01:10:17,100
UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE.
1503
01:10:17,133 --> 01:10:18,767
I agree. That's what
we're doing here.
1504
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,333
Talking about this report.
1505
01:10:20,367 --> 01:10:23,300
And important to know there is
actually a classified version
of this report
1506
01:10:23,333 --> 01:10:25,833
and I agree with you.
The public does deserve
to know what's in it.
1507
01:10:25,867 --> 01:10:27,800
Uh, Jenner2112 writes,
1508
01:10:27,833 --> 01:10:31,667
"The fact that so many UFOs
are witnessed around military,
1509
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:34,433
maybe they're trying to
get them to stop
doing something."
1510
01:10:34,467 --> 01:10:35,867
Interesting idea.
1511
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:37,567
That maybe they're
not here to hurt us,
1512
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,267
they're here to protect us.
1513
01:10:39,300 --> 01:10:41,733
Kind of
a Day The Earth Stood Still
point of view.
1514
01:10:41,767 --> 01:10:43,400
And then Random Bits says,
1515
01:10:43,433 --> 01:10:45,833
"UFOsdeclassifiedlive.
Josh is wearing a suit?
1516
01:10:45,867 --> 01:10:47,233
Is he the alien?"
1517
01:10:47,267 --> 01:10:49,533
-That's, that's right.
You found me out. It's me.
-[crew laugh]
1518
01:10:49,567 --> 01:10:51,667
Listen, I wish I could wear
this suit all the time,
1519
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:54,067
uh, but you try crawling
through an Egyptian tomb
wearing this.
1520
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:55,567
It's not pretty.
1521
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,333
Uh, anyway, be sure to
rocket your tweets our way
1522
01:10:58,367 --> 01:11:02,367
using the hashtag
ufosdeclassifiedlive.
1523
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,200
Coming up we have got more
authenticated UAP video
1524
01:11:06,233 --> 01:11:07,767
and I will be speaking,
this is a big one,
1525
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,267
with the head of NASA,
Bill Nelson.
1526
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:12,167
Then we'll look at
the discovery
1527
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,867
that may answer the question,
1528
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:16,500
is there life outside
our solar system?
1529
01:11:16,533 --> 01:11:19,233
When UFOs Declassified:
Live continues.
1530
01:11:35,667 --> 01:11:39,667
Welcome back to
UFOs Declassified: Live.
1531
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:42,400
I'm Josh Gates. I just
found out we are
the number three
1532
01:11:42,433 --> 01:11:44,533
trending topic on Twitter.
1533
01:11:44,567 --> 01:11:46,133
Please keep those
tweets coming.
1534
01:11:46,167 --> 01:11:48,567
If we get to number one,
they're gonna let me
keep the suit.
1535
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,700
Uh, before the break we're
discussing the mind altering
1536
01:11:51,733 --> 01:11:54,500
go fast UFO footage
taken aboard
1537
01:11:54,533 --> 01:11:58,067
a navy jet fighter from
the USS Theodore Roosevelt
1538
01:11:58,067 --> 01:12:00,300
off the Florida coast in 2015.
1539
01:12:00,333 --> 01:12:03,633
Now, this next UAP
was caught on camera
1540
01:12:03,667 --> 01:12:06,567
in the same year from
near the same location.
1541
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,467
Check out the motion
of this craft.
1542
01:12:08,500 --> 01:12:10,600
This is the Gimbal UFO.
1543
01:12:12,667 --> 01:12:14,900
[pilot 1] It is
a [bleep] drone, bro.
1544
01:12:16,333 --> 01:12:18,367
[pilot 2]
There's a whole fleet of them.
Look on the ASA.
1545
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,067
[pilot 1] My gosh!
1546
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:24,067
They're all going
against the wind.
1547
01:12:24,067 --> 01:12:26,067
The wind's 120 knots
out of the west.
1548
01:12:26,067 --> 01:12:27,633
Look at that thing, dude.
1549
01:12:36,567 --> 01:12:38,067
That's not an [inaudible]
though, is it?
1550
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:40,167
[pilot 2]
That's not one of ours,
is it?
1551
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,300
[pilot 1] Well, if there's a--
[pilot 2] Look at that thing!
1552
01:12:42,333 --> 01:12:44,067
It's rotating.
1553
01:12:45,767 --> 01:12:49,067
Well, joining Jeremy, George
and Bob on the panel is
1554
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:52,400
-our resident astrophysicist,
Dr. O. Good to see you.
-Thank you, sir.
1555
01:12:52,433 --> 01:12:54,200
-Bringing some science
to the desk.
-That's right.
1556
01:12:54,233 --> 01:12:55,633
Okay, let's talk about this,
1557
01:12:55,667 --> 01:12:58,633
What's your first thought
upon seeing this Gimbal video?
1558
01:12:58,667 --> 01:13:00,600
Well, I'm trained
as a physicist.
1559
01:13:00,633 --> 01:13:03,967
So when I see any data,
my first thought is,
"I don't believe it."
1560
01:13:04,067 --> 01:13:06,200
-[Josh laughs] Skeptical.
-Right. I don't take it
at face value.
1561
01:13:06,233 --> 01:13:08,333
We have to take the data
1562
01:13:08,367 --> 01:13:10,900
and validate it
and then make scientific
1563
01:13:10,933 --> 01:13:12,900
measurements that are
actually rigorous.
1564
01:13:12,933 --> 01:13:15,967
So I don't have this data
in my possession
1565
01:13:16,067 --> 01:13:17,867
and so I can't really say
anything about it
1566
01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:19,900
'cause I haven't taken it
through that process.
1567
01:13:19,933 --> 01:13:21,300
Do you think we can explain
1568
01:13:21,333 --> 01:13:24,567
just looking at it, how this
craft moves and rotates?
1569
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,600
You know, it's difficult
to do to disentangle
1570
01:13:27,633 --> 01:13:29,767
because you have many
moving things at one time.
1571
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,267
You have the moving object.
1572
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:34,867
You have the moving plane
or whatever platform is
taking the data.
1573
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:36,533
And quite often
if you're locking on
1574
01:13:36,567 --> 01:13:39,067
that means that you have
something else moving separate
1575
01:13:39,067 --> 01:13:42,067
from the actual vehicle
that it's mounted on.
1576
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:45,300
So, you have to
disentangle all this stuff
and it's complicated.
1577
01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:47,267
But if you take it
at face value
1578
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:48,700
as I said before,
1579
01:13:48,733 --> 01:13:50,700
you see some
interesting aerodynamics.
1580
01:13:50,733 --> 01:13:53,533
Absolutely. Now, Jeremy,
on the clip we hear
a voice say,
1581
01:13:53,567 --> 01:13:55,700
"There's a whole fleet
of them."
1582
01:13:55,733 --> 01:13:58,067
Now is that just
eyewitness saying that?
1583
01:13:58,067 --> 01:13:59,633
Do we have data
to back that up?
1584
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:02,400
Yeah, absolutely. But a lot
of it is gonna be classified
and not gonna come up.
1585
01:14:02,433 --> 01:14:04,533
But I can tell you
with 100% certainty,
1586
01:14:04,567 --> 01:14:05,933
and some people have
been exposed to it.
1587
01:14:05,967 --> 01:14:07,400
There was a fleet
in front of this.
1588
01:14:07,433 --> 01:14:09,467
And, by the way, this object--
Listen to the pilots.
1589
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:11,233
They have got some of
our best sensors.
1590
01:14:11,267 --> 01:14:12,800
It's moving against the wind.
1591
01:14:12,833 --> 01:14:14,800
It's rotating. You can
hear what they say.
1592
01:14:14,833 --> 01:14:16,300
But there were
other objects that
1593
01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:18,833
were with the Gimbal
and the Gimbal has
unique propulsion
1594
01:14:18,867 --> 01:14:20,467
as it goes forward, changes
1595
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:22,433
and starts to reverse
direction in the end.
1596
01:14:22,467 --> 01:14:25,567
Bob, any chance what we're
looking at here could be fake,
1597
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:26,800
do you think?
1598
01:14:26,833 --> 01:14:29,500
Absolutely, there's a chance.
I think it's a small chance.
1599
01:14:29,533 --> 01:14:33,700
Now, this comes from credible
sources, credible sensors.
1600
01:14:33,733 --> 01:14:37,200
So, the video itself, I think,
1601
01:14:37,233 --> 01:14:39,067
authentic, absolutely.
1602
01:14:39,067 --> 01:14:42,667
Now what it means
is a different question.
1603
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:44,067
I'd like to say
1604
01:14:44,067 --> 01:14:47,300
I've seen the rabbit come out
of the hat many times.
1605
01:14:47,333 --> 01:14:49,367
And is the rabbit in the hat?
1606
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,300
It depends where you're
sitting in the audience
1607
01:14:52,333 --> 01:14:54,500
to know whether the rabbit's
in the hat or not.
1608
01:14:54,533 --> 01:14:57,433
George, how important was
this Gimbal footage
1609
01:14:57,467 --> 01:15:00,167
-to the Pentagon report?
-Oh, it was hugely important.
1610
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,267
I mean, you know,
like Dr. O said
1611
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:03,800
we don't have
a lot of the data.
1612
01:15:03,833 --> 01:15:05,700
We don't have the object
itself to examine.
1613
01:15:05,733 --> 01:15:08,200
There is signals data
and sensor data that
1614
01:15:08,233 --> 01:15:11,067
as Jeremey said we're probably
never gonna get to see.
1615
01:15:11,067 --> 01:15:13,367
But what we don't
see in that is wings
1616
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,733
or rotors or any kind of
known propulsion system.
1617
01:15:15,767 --> 01:15:18,833
We don't see any chemical
kind of a trail coming out
of the back of it.
1618
01:15:18,867 --> 01:15:21,067
How does that thing stay up?
How does it fly?
1619
01:15:21,067 --> 01:15:23,200
All right.
Also I think, for me,
1620
01:15:23,233 --> 01:15:26,833
just the enthusiasm that you
hear in the pilots' voices.
1621
01:15:26,867 --> 01:15:29,333
I mean, they are just agog
looking at this thing.
1622
01:15:29,367 --> 01:15:31,200
To me that is really
compelling here as well.
1623
01:15:31,233 --> 01:15:33,667
You've just got-- You know,
these guys are freaking out.
1624
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:35,533
This is something they
had not seen before.
1625
01:15:35,567 --> 01:15:39,067
They were starting to see
UFOs on a daily basis
on the east coast.
1626
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:41,767
Cubes. Cubes with spheres
around them.
1627
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,067
Things are completely
non-aerodynamic.
1628
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:47,200
This is one representation of
many sightings and encounters.
1629
01:15:47,233 --> 01:15:49,900
All right. So speaking of
pilots like we hear in
this video,
1630
01:15:49,933 --> 01:15:52,900
let's check in with Jessica
and our resident fighter pilot
1631
01:15:52,933 --> 01:15:57,067
Tracy LaTourrette for
a closer look at
the Gimbal UFO. Jessica?
1632
01:15:57,067 --> 01:15:59,567
Thank you, Josh.
Tracy, on the Gimbal footage
1633
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,567
there is so much going on with
the numbers and the initials
1634
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,433
that it's hard to know
what to actually focus on.
1635
01:16:05,467 --> 01:16:08,633
So, what are the most
important elements
of this video?
1636
01:16:08,667 --> 01:16:10,767
Well, there's...
We could talk all day on
1637
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,167
-what we're looking at here.
-Mmm-hmm.
1638
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,967
But if you look at
the image itself,
1639
01:16:16,067 --> 01:16:18,600
the fact that we're able to
actually lock onto something
1640
01:16:18,633 --> 01:16:21,900
tells me that it's not just
a light phenomenon
or something.
1641
01:16:21,933 --> 01:16:24,533
So, obviously there is
something very
interesting there
1642
01:16:24,567 --> 01:16:27,533
and obviously it's hot because
we're in black hot mode.
1643
01:16:27,567 --> 01:16:30,733
Uh, if you look at
the aspect of the object
1644
01:16:30,767 --> 01:16:35,600
it could suggest a tail
aspect of an aircraft.
1645
01:16:35,633 --> 01:16:38,967
Although, you know,
that's debatable as well
1646
01:16:39,067 --> 01:16:41,967
because it might be shaped
a little bit differently
looking at the back.
1647
01:16:42,067 --> 01:16:44,067
Okay, so as if it was
traveling away from us.
1648
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:45,767
-Mmm-hmm.
-Understood.
1649
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,733
Right, and then, finally,
you hear them talking
about the fact that
1650
01:16:48,767 --> 01:16:51,100
-it appears to
actually rotate.
-Mmm-hmm.
1651
01:16:51,133 --> 01:16:53,300
That suggests
not only awareness
1652
01:16:53,333 --> 01:16:56,667
but gives some indication
of potential intent
1653
01:16:56,700 --> 01:16:59,067
because it looks like
it's just observing
1654
01:16:59,100 --> 01:17:02,733
and luckily not showing us
any kind of hostile intent.
1655
01:17:02,767 --> 01:17:05,433
-So, that's a good thing.
-That's scary.
1656
01:17:05,467 --> 01:17:07,467
Well, you always have to
think about that.
1657
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:09,800
-Is this thing
trying to kill me?
-Yeah. Well, yeah.
1658
01:17:09,833 --> 01:17:11,667
-[Tracy chuckles]
-Yeah. Okay.
1659
01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:13,700
Uh, awesome. [laughs]
1660
01:17:13,733 --> 01:17:15,233
That was a good talk.
Awesome, Tracy.
1661
01:17:15,267 --> 01:17:17,067
Back to you, Josh.
1662
01:17:17,067 --> 01:17:18,733
All right, well, thank you,
Jessica and Tracy.
1663
01:17:18,767 --> 01:17:21,467
When we come back,
I'll be speaking with
former astronaut,
1664
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:24,533
senators and NASA
administrator, Bill Nelson.
1665
01:17:24,567 --> 01:17:27,267
We'll also learn
what 'Oumuamua means.
1666
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:28,700
I'm glad I can pronounce it.
1667
01:17:28,733 --> 01:17:31,067
And later, we've got
rare UAP footage
1668
01:17:31,100 --> 01:17:33,267
from the deck of the USS Omaha
1669
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:35,933
that may help our panel of
experts reach their verdict.
1670
01:17:35,967 --> 01:17:38,267
Adversary, alien or neither?
1671
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:40,500
During the break be sure to
hit us up on Twitter
1672
01:17:40,533 --> 01:17:44,267
using the hashtag
ufosdeclassifiedlive.
1673
01:18:00,533 --> 01:18:03,967
We are continuing to pour
over the Pentagon report
1674
01:18:04,067 --> 01:18:06,200
on unidentified
aerial phenomena.
1675
01:18:06,233 --> 01:18:09,867
As the report indicates,
there is not one
blanket explanation
1676
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:11,133
for all of them.
1677
01:18:11,167 --> 01:18:14,467
And that's why you
are watching
UFOs Declassified: Live.
1678
01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:15,600
I'm Josh Gates.
1679
01:18:15,633 --> 01:18:17,700
At this time we are
honored to be joined by
1680
01:18:17,733 --> 01:18:19,167
the current head of NASA.
1681
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,933
He has flown in space
and previously served
Florida in the senate.
1682
01:18:22,967 --> 01:18:24,767
Bill Nelson.
Good to see you, sir.
1683
01:18:25,900 --> 01:18:27,067
Hey.
1684
01:18:27,067 --> 01:18:28,733
It's great to see you
1685
01:18:28,767 --> 01:18:32,233
and I'm always ready to talk
about space.
1686
01:18:32,267 --> 01:18:33,700
Well, that's good. I'm glad.
1687
01:18:33,733 --> 01:18:36,233
We have a lot to talk about
with the release of
this report.
1688
01:18:36,267 --> 01:18:38,467
Uh, obviously you've read it.
1689
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:41,267
What do you think is the most
eye-opening aspect of this?
1690
01:18:43,100 --> 01:18:46,767
Well, I was briefed on this
a couple years ago
in the senate
1691
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,633
-armed services committee.
-Mmm-hmm.
1692
01:18:48,667 --> 01:18:53,100
And I had a chance to talk
to the navy pilots.
1693
01:18:53,133 --> 01:18:58,067
You've seen the video now
a number of times on TV.
1694
01:18:58,067 --> 01:19:01,333
They know that
they saw something.
1695
01:19:01,367 --> 01:19:04,700
They tracked it.
They chased it.
1696
01:19:04,733 --> 01:19:08,100
And then all of a sudden it
would move from one location
1697
01:19:08,133 --> 01:19:11,767
to another in a split second.
1698
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:16,900
Uh, now we know from
the unclassified report
1699
01:19:16,933 --> 01:19:21,200
that there have been over
140 of these sightings
1700
01:19:21,233 --> 01:19:23,567
around the globe.
1701
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,267
And so from
the pilot's standpoint
1702
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:30,267
they know they saw
something real.
1703
01:19:30,300 --> 01:19:33,533
-Right.
-Now we need to
find out what It is.
1704
01:19:33,567 --> 01:19:36,167
So, that's why I've asked
the NASA scientists,
1705
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:40,067
look at it from
a scientific point of view
1706
01:19:40,067 --> 01:19:42,633
and let's see if you
come up with any answers.
1707
01:19:42,667 --> 01:19:44,133
And I think
that's a good point.
1708
01:19:44,167 --> 01:19:47,067
There's an enormous amount of
credibility here in terms of
1709
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:49,633
these pilots. In terms of
the people that witnessed
1710
01:19:49,667 --> 01:19:51,600
whatever these objects were.
1711
01:19:51,633 --> 01:19:53,967
If you take the report
at face value,
1712
01:19:54,067 --> 01:19:56,333
what do you think it says
about national security?
1713
01:19:58,233 --> 01:20:00,500
Well, we don't know.
1714
01:20:00,533 --> 01:20:03,700
Uh, we don't know
if it's something
1715
01:20:03,733 --> 01:20:07,433
out of this world
or if it is, uh,
1716
01:20:07,467 --> 01:20:10,033
a person that could--
An entity
1717
01:20:10,067 --> 01:20:12,833
that could be a potential
adversary here on Earth.
1718
01:20:12,867 --> 01:20:15,800
-Right.
-Now, our government is saying
1719
01:20:15,833 --> 01:20:19,967
this is not any technology
that we are testing,
1720
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,300
uh, therefore we ought
to be concerned.
1721
01:20:23,333 --> 01:20:26,067
That's why we need to get
to the bottom of this.
1722
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:30,000
Right. Now a lot of people are
speculating that these UAPs
1723
01:20:30,033 --> 01:20:31,533
could be extraterrestrial.
1724
01:20:31,567 --> 01:20:33,433
You yourself have
flown into space.
1725
01:20:33,467 --> 01:20:36,200
You were a payload specialist
during the shuttle program.
1726
01:20:36,233 --> 01:20:40,233
Do you personally believe that
there is extraterrestrial life
out there?
1727
01:20:41,667 --> 01:20:43,467
Well, let's separate
the question.
1728
01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:47,700
Do I believe that
these objects are ETs?
1729
01:20:47,733 --> 01:20:50,600
Uh, the answer is
I don't know.
1730
01:20:50,633 --> 01:20:53,567
-That's why we're
asking the questions.
-Right.
1731
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,133
Your second question is
1732
01:20:57,167 --> 01:21:00,067
do I think that there's life
out there in the universe?
1733
01:21:00,067 --> 01:21:03,600
This is a universe that is
1734
01:21:03,633 --> 01:21:08,133
13.5 billion years old.
1735
01:21:09,267 --> 01:21:13,800
Uh, it is so vast
we cannot even imagine...
1736
01:21:13,833 --> 01:21:17,500
Our minds cannot
grasp the size of it.
1737
01:21:17,533 --> 01:21:19,667
Do I think that there's
1738
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:23,567
another solar system
in another galaxy
1739
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,133
with another sun with planets
1740
01:21:26,167 --> 01:21:28,133
revolving around it
1741
01:21:28,167 --> 01:21:32,067
that might have a planet
with a habitable atmosphere?
1742
01:21:32,067 --> 01:21:33,500
Of course, I do.
1743
01:21:33,533 --> 01:21:36,733
Do you think that
this particular report,
1744
01:21:36,767 --> 01:21:38,333
which was generated
by the Pentagon,
1745
01:21:38,367 --> 01:21:40,567
do you think that it should
be shifted to NASA?
1746
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,167
Should NASA have
a permanent responsibility to,
1747
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,067
you think, look into these
sightings and to continue
1748
01:21:46,067 --> 01:21:47,433
pursuing this question?
1749
01:21:48,733 --> 01:21:52,800
No. The Pentagon needs to
continue its defense function.
1750
01:21:52,833 --> 01:21:56,800
NASA needs to continue
its scientific function.
1751
01:21:56,833 --> 01:21:58,867
And that's exactly
what we're doing.
1752
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:02,067
Terrific. Well, I can't wait
to see what the Webb Telescope
1753
01:22:02,067 --> 01:22:04,100
and what NASA
has in store next.
1754
01:22:04,133 --> 01:22:06,067
Thank you so much for
your time with us today.
1755
01:22:06,067 --> 01:22:07,267
I really appreciate it, sir.
1756
01:22:08,233 --> 01:22:11,133
-Have a great day.
-All the best.
1757
01:22:11,167 --> 01:22:15,367
Well, so far tonight we have
focused on unidentified
aerial phenomena.
1758
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,467
Right now, though,
we're going to shift
our gaze to an identified
1759
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:21,767
interstellar object that may
be an indicator of life
1760
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,400
in other solar systems.
1761
01:22:23,433 --> 01:22:25,400
This startling discovery
was spotted
1762
01:22:25,433 --> 01:22:28,067
by Canadian astronomer
Robert Weryk
1763
01:22:28,067 --> 01:22:30,733
from the Haleakala Observatory
on Maui.
1764
01:22:30,767 --> 01:22:33,267
And since the object
is the first of its type,
1765
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:36,467
it was named after
the Hawaiian word for scout.
1766
01:22:36,500 --> 01:22:38,567
This is 'Oumuamua.
1767
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,433
Some of us have actually
been predicting that
interstellar objects
1768
01:22:51,467 --> 01:22:53,200
would come into
our solar system.
1769
01:22:53,233 --> 01:22:56,100
We've kind of been waiting to
see something like this.
1770
01:22:56,133 --> 01:22:58,100
[Robert Weryk]
The year was 2017.
1771
01:22:58,133 --> 01:23:01,067
I was reviewing detections
from the Pan-STARRS1 telescope
1772
01:23:01,100 --> 01:23:03,133
and I found what's now
known as 'Oumuamua.
1773
01:23:03,167 --> 01:23:04,700
This comet is very different
1774
01:23:04,733 --> 01:23:07,067
than all the comets that
we see on our solar system.
1775
01:23:07,067 --> 01:23:10,467
[Sarah Barker]
We really expected if we were
to see an interstellar object
1776
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:12,367
that it would look
like a comet.
1777
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,767
'Oumuamua is at least five,
maybe even ten times
1778
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,067
longer than it is wide.
1779
01:23:18,067 --> 01:23:21,400
After 'Oumuamua was
no longer visible from
ground based telescopes,
1780
01:23:21,433 --> 01:23:24,333
we got very accurate
positional information
from Hubble.
1781
01:23:24,367 --> 01:23:28,933
And that allowed us
to discover this
non-gravitational deviation.
1782
01:23:28,967 --> 01:23:31,933
'Oumuamua came in
at this crazy angle
1783
01:23:31,967 --> 01:23:35,233
and it was moving so fast.
1784
01:23:35,267 --> 01:23:37,867
Fifty-five miles per second.
1785
01:23:40,267 --> 01:23:42,800
[Robert] 'Oumuamua is some
kind of comet or asteroid.
1786
01:23:42,833 --> 01:23:45,833
No one can tell for sure
what 'Oumuamua was.
1787
01:23:45,867 --> 01:23:48,633
[Nick Pope]
This could be a probe.
1788
01:23:48,667 --> 01:23:53,400
A civilization with millions
and millions of years
head start on us
1789
01:23:53,433 --> 01:23:57,500
could have built hundreds
of these probes
1790
01:23:57,533 --> 01:24:00,533
and just let them loose
throughout the galaxy.
1791
01:24:00,567 --> 01:24:03,600
And every now and then
one would drift through
a solar system.
1792
01:24:03,633 --> 01:24:09,267
And if they spotted an active
transmitting civilization,
1793
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:14,567
then the ship activates.
Something wakes up.
1794
01:24:15,667 --> 01:24:18,100
Maybe a message is beamed back
1795
01:24:18,133 --> 01:24:20,533
to the aliens' home world.
1796
01:24:20,567 --> 01:24:24,833
It says we've discovered
another emerging civilization.
1797
01:24:24,867 --> 01:24:27,367
Once that message is received,
1798
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,633
then they're going to
come in force.
1799
01:24:29,667 --> 01:24:32,200
Hopefully in peace,
but maybe not.
1800
01:24:33,567 --> 01:24:37,067
[Sarah] There are plans to
launch a mission into space,
1801
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:40,467
have it just in a stable
orbit just waiting
1802
01:24:40,500 --> 01:24:42,867
for the next
interstellar object.
1803
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:46,067
And once they spot it, they'll
just be ready to get there.
1804
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:50,067
[Nick] 'Oumuamua,
it's a little disconcerting
1805
01:24:50,067 --> 01:24:53,400
that it got as close
as it did without anyone
seeing it coming.
1806
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,967
What if we were facing
hostile extraterrestrials?
1807
01:24:59,067 --> 01:25:01,667
Or what if this
had just been a rock
1808
01:25:01,700 --> 01:25:05,067
but headed directly
for planet Earth?
1809
01:25:05,067 --> 01:25:07,533
I mean, 'Oumuamua should be
a wakeup call.
1810
01:25:07,567 --> 01:25:09,667
We missed the last one.
1811
01:25:10,533 --> 01:25:12,067
Let's not miss the next one.
1812
01:25:14,467 --> 01:25:16,867
All right, guys,
I'm here With Dr. O.
1813
01:25:16,900 --> 01:25:21,067
So, Dr. O, in your opinion
why is 'Oumuamua such
an important discovery?
1814
01:25:21,067 --> 01:25:23,900
Well, there are certain things
that we figure out in science
1815
01:25:23,933 --> 01:25:27,100
but we can't accept as true
until we actually observe it.
1816
01:25:27,133 --> 01:25:30,067
For example, we figured out
early in the 20th century
1817
01:25:30,067 --> 01:25:32,967
that planet formation
is a side effect of
star formation.
1818
01:25:33,067 --> 01:25:34,433
But it wasn't until the '90s
1819
01:25:34,467 --> 01:25:37,233
that we first saw a planet
outside of our solar system.
1820
01:25:37,267 --> 01:25:39,967
Such that we can say,
"Yes, there they are."
1821
01:25:40,067 --> 01:25:42,067
So, we have a good
understanding now
1822
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:43,733
of how a solar system
is formed.
1823
01:25:43,767 --> 01:25:47,333
And what happens is it's
a very chaotic situation.
1824
01:25:47,367 --> 01:25:50,133
So where we have four
terrestrial planets today,
1825
01:25:50,167 --> 01:25:51,967
there were dozens
of proto planets.
1826
01:25:52,067 --> 01:25:54,067
And as they interacted
and collided,
1827
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:55,967
some objects were
thrown into the Sun,
1828
01:25:56,067 --> 01:25:58,467
some objects were incorporated
in the planetary bodies
1829
01:25:58,500 --> 01:26:00,933
And some were sent flying
out of our solar system.
1830
01:26:00,967 --> 01:26:02,367
How... How?
1831
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:03,600
Like, how do they get--
1832
01:26:03,633 --> 01:26:05,500
How are they circling around
1833
01:26:05,533 --> 01:26:07,967
and all of a sudden one
decides to just take off?
1834
01:26:08,067 --> 01:26:11,167
Yeah, so it has to do with
gravitational interaction.
1835
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,733
So, close calls will
change a trajectory.
1836
01:26:13,767 --> 01:26:16,667
And if it swings around
the Sun or, say, Jupiter,
right?
1837
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:19,933
And under the right
circumstances it can gain
enough momentum
1838
01:26:19,967 --> 01:26:22,467
to just slingshot right out
of the solar system.
1839
01:26:22,500 --> 01:26:25,600
So, we expect that objects
from our solar system
1840
01:26:25,633 --> 01:26:27,367
are flying throughout
the galaxy
1841
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,900
and objects from other
solar systems are also
flying throughout the galaxy
1842
01:26:30,933 --> 01:26:33,833
and on occasion they may
enter our solar system.
1843
01:26:33,867 --> 01:26:36,600
-And that's what
'Oumuamua represents.
-Okay.
1844
01:26:36,633 --> 01:26:39,233
Okay, the 'Oumuamua
was actually discovered
1845
01:26:39,267 --> 01:26:41,333
using the telescope
that's shown behind us.
1846
01:26:41,367 --> 01:26:42,500
That's right.
1847
01:26:42,533 --> 01:26:45,767
So, we found 'Oumuamua with
the telescope on Haleakala
1848
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:47,600
-in the Hawaiian island.
-Very well done.
1849
01:26:47,633 --> 01:26:50,100
-Yes. Yes, I've been there.
It's a cool spot.
-Yeah.
1850
01:26:50,133 --> 01:26:52,933
Yeah, and so, the thing
about an object like this
1851
01:26:52,967 --> 01:26:54,333
is similar to an asteroid.
1852
01:26:54,367 --> 01:26:58,300
So when we look at
interstellar or
interplanetary interlopers,
1853
01:26:58,333 --> 01:26:59,867
-they come in two main types.
-Mmm-hmm.
1854
01:26:59,900 --> 01:27:03,167
Stuff that was once a part
of a planetary body,
1855
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,600
so it will be made up of
metal or stone or rocky.
1856
01:27:06,633 --> 01:27:08,200
And stuff that never was.
1857
01:27:08,233 --> 01:27:12,833
So that's like comets
or what we call carbonaceous
chondrite, um, asteroids.
1858
01:27:12,867 --> 01:27:17,200
And so 'Oumuamua appeared
to be a rocky body.
1859
01:27:17,233 --> 01:27:20,900
Most of the astronomers
thought that perhaps
it would be an icy body
1860
01:27:20,933 --> 01:27:22,433
but there was
no evidence of that.
1861
01:27:22,467 --> 01:27:25,333
But you can... You see it has
a shape here. It's long
and thin.
1862
01:27:25,367 --> 01:27:27,367
-Mmm-hmm.
-So what we do,
we observe these things.
1863
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,767
Now remember,
the way physics works,
1864
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:33,433
if this object comes into
our solar system from
a long distance,
1865
01:27:33,467 --> 01:27:36,933
it's like it fell toward
the Sun from
an interstellar distance.
1866
01:27:36,967 --> 01:27:38,900
-Yeah.
-So it's moving so fast
1867
01:27:38,933 --> 01:27:41,167
that you can only get
so much data.
1868
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,667
And one of the important
pieces of data we call
a light curve.
1869
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:46,700
Let's just look at
its brightness over time.
1870
01:27:46,733 --> 01:27:49,367
So if you imagine
a bowling ball, a bowling pin
1871
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,700
flying through space
and tumbling, right?
1872
01:27:51,733 --> 01:27:54,533
When you're seeing
the long side,
it looks bright.
1873
01:27:54,567 --> 01:27:56,633
When you're seeing
the short end, it looks dim.
1874
01:27:56,667 --> 01:27:59,767
So, you can reconstruct
the shape of objects
1875
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,067
based on how
they reflect light.
1876
01:28:02,067 --> 01:28:04,933
And also, based on
the colors that they reflect,
1877
01:28:04,967 --> 01:28:07,633
you can figure out what it's
made of to some degree.
1878
01:28:08,467 --> 01:28:10,500
You're so smart, oh, my gosh.
1879
01:28:10,533 --> 01:28:11,867
-Okay. Um...
-[laughs]
1880
01:28:11,900 --> 01:28:13,900
What other discoveries
1881
01:28:13,933 --> 01:28:16,567
point to the possibility
of life on other planets?
1882
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,233
Well, so, here is the big
1883
01:28:19,267 --> 01:28:22,133
-controversial analysis
that was done.
-Uh-huh.
1884
01:28:22,167 --> 01:28:24,933
So, as different astronomers
try to figure out
1885
01:28:24,967 --> 01:28:26,433
what is this made of,
1886
01:28:26,467 --> 01:28:28,233
an astronomer from Harvard,
1887
01:28:28,267 --> 01:28:31,100
uh, and his collaborators
performed a study
1888
01:28:31,133 --> 01:28:34,767
where they claimed that
it was way thinner
1889
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,800
than what most of us
read from the data.
1890
01:28:38,833 --> 01:28:42,433
And so, the conclusion was,
"Oh, it looks something
like a sail."
1891
01:28:42,467 --> 01:28:44,933
Now, what would that be?
1892
01:28:44,967 --> 01:28:47,533
And so, this astronomer
just speculated
1893
01:28:47,567 --> 01:28:52,500
that perhaps it is
a light sail from some
alien civilization.
1894
01:28:52,533 --> 01:28:55,400
Now, most astronomers do not
accept that interpretation.
1895
01:28:55,433 --> 01:28:57,333
I mean, that is a--
That is a...
1896
01:28:57,367 --> 01:28:59,500
-That is a leap.
-That is a leap.
1897
01:28:59,533 --> 01:29:01,967
-That is a leap. Okay.
-It is a giant leap, yes, yes.
1898
01:29:02,067 --> 01:29:04,833
But continuing with
what your comment was,
1899
01:29:04,867 --> 01:29:07,067
so most don't accept
necessarily that.
1900
01:29:07,100 --> 01:29:09,833
That's right. So, you know,
there are some phrase
that like,
1901
01:29:09,867 --> 01:29:13,133
you know, great claims
require great evidence
or something like that.
1902
01:29:13,167 --> 01:29:14,867
The evidence just isn't there.
1903
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:17,067
'Oumuamua remains a mystery.
1904
01:29:17,067 --> 01:29:20,400
Interesting. Okay, so what is
about 'Oumuamua's trajectory
1905
01:29:20,433 --> 01:29:22,100
that made people
raise their eyebrows?
1906
01:29:22,133 --> 01:29:24,300
Oh, that is everything.
1907
01:29:24,333 --> 01:29:26,200
So you look, for example,
at the planets,
1908
01:29:26,233 --> 01:29:29,567
there are these nice
elliptical orbits that are
almost circular,
1909
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,667
but 'Oumuamua did
something different.
1910
01:29:31,700 --> 01:29:34,833
It traced out a geometric
figure that we called
a hyperbola.
1911
01:29:34,867 --> 01:29:37,067
And that is like
an unbound orbit.
1912
01:29:37,067 --> 01:29:40,533
And that told us it is not
from our solar system
necessarily.
1913
01:29:40,567 --> 01:29:42,700
Right? But the other thing
that was really interesting
1914
01:29:42,733 --> 01:29:45,300
-is the laws of physics work
really, really well.
-Mmm-hmm.
1915
01:29:45,333 --> 01:29:48,500
So, we can predict
the trajectories, right?
1916
01:29:48,533 --> 01:29:51,467
And so, if it was a rock,
this is the expected
trajectory.
1917
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:53,233
But it did
something different.
1918
01:29:53,267 --> 01:29:55,767
-Yeah. It shocked you guys.
-Now that's not unusual.
1919
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:56,900
-Yeah.
-It shocked us, right?
1920
01:29:56,933 --> 01:29:58,867
It's not as weird
as it may sound.
1921
01:29:58,900 --> 01:30:03,467
'Cause two things will change
the motion of an object.
1922
01:30:03,500 --> 01:30:06,733
One is, sunlight actually
applies a pressure
1923
01:30:06,767 --> 01:30:08,400
and air what's called
the solar winds.
1924
01:30:08,433 --> 01:30:09,967
So that could change
the trajectory.
1925
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,933
And also when objects
get near the Sun,
1926
01:30:11,967 --> 01:30:13,467
if they have any ices,
1927
01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:15,833
those ices would do
what we call outgassing.
1928
01:30:15,867 --> 01:30:18,000
And that creates
a force on the body
1929
01:30:18,033 --> 01:30:21,567
and changes its trajectory
from a purely ballistic
trajectory.
1930
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,200
Awesome. All right.
Well, speaking of outgassing,
1931
01:30:24,233 --> 01:30:25,667
back to you, Josh.
1932
01:30:25,700 --> 01:30:27,667
-Oh, unbelievable, Jess.
-[Jessica laughs]
1933
01:30:27,700 --> 01:30:29,467
Jess, I could have you back
in the jungles tomorrow.
1934
01:30:29,500 --> 01:30:30,800
[Jessica] Oh, no! I'm sorry.
1935
01:30:30,833 --> 01:30:32,733
When we come back,
our panel of experts
1936
01:30:32,767 --> 01:30:35,567
rate their top UAP sightings.
1937
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,467
Which footage checks
all of the boxes for them?
1938
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:41,567
And later, we'll hear from
some Hollywood heavy hitters
1939
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,367
about whether they
believe in extraterrestrials,
1940
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,367
When UFOs Declassified:
Live returns.
1941
01:31:04,067 --> 01:31:07,233
Welcome back to
UFOs Declassified: Live.
1942
01:31:07,267 --> 01:31:09,433
I'm Josh Gates,
and I am thrilled to be joined
1943
01:31:09,467 --> 01:31:11,700
by our panel of experts,
Jeremy Corbell,
1944
01:31:11,733 --> 01:31:13,567
George Knapp and Nick Pope.
1945
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,533
And we are all here
because of this.
1946
01:31:15,567 --> 01:31:17,467
We are discussing
the Pentagon report
1947
01:31:17,500 --> 01:31:19,367
that just dropped
five days ago.
1948
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,800
And one of the really
interesting take aways
1949
01:31:21,833 --> 01:31:24,633
for me in this report are
these different buckets
they use
1950
01:31:24,667 --> 01:31:27,600
to categorize
the UAPs or UFOs.
1951
01:31:27,633 --> 01:31:30,067
So those categories
are airborne clutter,
1952
01:31:30,067 --> 01:31:33,633
natural atmospheric phenomena,
stuff that's just naturally
occurring,
1953
01:31:33,667 --> 01:31:36,333
uh, USG
or U.S. government, uh,
1954
01:31:36,367 --> 01:31:39,333
foreign adversary systems
and other.
1955
01:31:39,367 --> 01:31:42,433
So let's talk about other
or natural occurrences.
1956
01:31:42,467 --> 01:31:45,700
Jeremy, have you ever looked
at a video or seen a UAP
1957
01:31:45,733 --> 01:31:48,500
and then later realized you'd
misidentified something.
1958
01:31:48,533 --> 01:31:50,667
Well, all the time people
misidentify things.
1959
01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:53,800
And the whole point is
something is unidentified
until it's identified.
1960
01:31:53,833 --> 01:31:55,533
Don't jump to conclusions.
1961
01:31:55,567 --> 01:31:59,067
Right. George, where do you
think that your Pyramid
UFO video
1962
01:31:59,067 --> 01:32:00,700
would fall in these buckets?
1963
01:32:00,733 --> 01:32:03,067
They would fall into
the place where I get my mail,
1964
01:32:03,067 --> 01:32:04,700
-into other.
That's where I live.
-[Josh laughs]
1965
01:32:04,733 --> 01:32:06,667
I mean,
do they look aerodynamic
1966
01:32:06,700 --> 01:32:08,333
to you if you're gonna
build something?
1967
01:32:08,367 --> 01:32:10,367
Some kind of a drone,
an earthly drone.
1968
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:12,433
Would you make it
Pyramid shaped? I wouldn't.
1969
01:32:12,467 --> 01:32:15,067
[Josh] Exactly. Now, Nick,
looking at these different
categories
1970
01:32:15,100 --> 01:32:17,333
which is more,
you know, concerning?
1971
01:32:17,367 --> 01:32:20,600
-Foreign adversary
systems or other?
-Other.
1972
01:32:20,633 --> 01:32:23,800
It's a little word but it's
a scary word in this context.
1973
01:32:23,833 --> 01:32:27,233
You can pick up the phone
and talk to your adversary
through diplomacy.
1974
01:32:27,267 --> 01:32:29,833
We can't talk to
these people if...
1975
01:32:29,867 --> 01:32:32,067
Who are whatever they are.
We don't know.
1976
01:32:32,067 --> 01:32:34,100
Personally, I would go
with airborne clutter,
1977
01:32:34,133 --> 01:32:35,667
but I'm afraid of birds.
1978
01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:39,833
Uh, okay, listen, based on
these incredible videos
that we saw tonight,
1979
01:32:39,867 --> 01:32:43,067
let's talk about your top
UAP sightings and why.
1980
01:32:43,067 --> 01:32:45,100
Let's just go rapid fire
down the line here.
1981
01:32:45,133 --> 01:32:46,467
What about for you, Jeremy?
1982
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:49,933
My favorite is 1989 Bob Lazar
right here in Las Vegas,
Nevada.
1983
01:32:49,967 --> 01:32:51,767
But after what
we've seen tonight,
1984
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:53,133
it's the cases that
I've worked on.
1985
01:32:53,167 --> 01:32:56,867
So the USS Omaha and all
the corroborative sensor data
1986
01:32:56,900 --> 01:32:58,433
and information
and visual evidence
1987
01:32:58,467 --> 01:33:00,467
that George and I have been
able to provide to the public
1988
01:33:00,500 --> 01:33:03,467
makes it one of the most
robust cases we've ever had
with UFOs.
1989
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:05,700
Right. 'Cause it's not just
one piece of footage.
1990
01:33:05,733 --> 01:33:07,400
You've got night vision,
you've got radar,
1991
01:33:07,433 --> 01:33:09,400
you've got FLIR, it's kind of
the whole package.
1992
01:33:09,433 --> 01:33:11,867
And you have now footage
from the deck of the Omaha.
1993
01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:14,533
Exactly, okay. So,
George, what about you?
1994
01:33:14,567 --> 01:33:15,767
For me it's the Tic Tac.
1995
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,967
I think it's the most
important UFO in history.
1996
01:33:18,067 --> 01:33:20,333
Because of what it is meant
to where we are now.
1997
01:33:20,367 --> 01:33:22,967
I mean, the credibility
of those witnesses,
1998
01:33:23,067 --> 01:33:24,767
the pilots,
Dave Fravor and others,
1999
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,500
they've gone before congress
with the help of two former
intelligence officials
2000
01:33:28,533 --> 01:33:30,233
Luis Elizondo
and Chris Mellon.
2001
01:33:30,267 --> 01:33:33,200
Who gave up government
service to push this ball
down the field.
2002
01:33:33,233 --> 01:33:35,400
That video is
what sold that story.
2003
01:33:35,433 --> 01:33:37,067
It got The New York Times
to cover it,
2004
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:38,500
60 Minutes to cover it,
2005
01:33:38,533 --> 01:33:41,300
and it was the reason that
we have a UAP task force.
2006
01:33:41,333 --> 01:33:42,567
Certainly changed the game.
2007
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:44,800
Absolutely. And, Nick Pope,
what about you?
2008
01:33:44,833 --> 01:33:46,067
I'm gearing for Gimbal.
2009
01:33:46,067 --> 01:33:49,767
When these normally
unflappable pilots
get excited,
2010
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:51,333
I get excited, too.
2011
01:33:51,367 --> 01:33:54,400
But look, there are a lot of
UFO videos on the Internet.
2012
01:33:54,433 --> 01:33:57,833
But what makes these really
stand out, and Gimbal's
part of this,
2013
01:33:57,867 --> 01:34:01,500
is that the Department of
Defense have put it on
their own website
2014
01:34:01,533 --> 01:34:04,100
and issued a press release
to say it's genuine.
2015
01:34:04,133 --> 01:34:06,233
So, we've got
the provenance of it.
2016
01:34:06,267 --> 01:34:09,500
I'm with you. The Gimbal video
for me is really the most...
2017
01:34:09,533 --> 01:34:13,667
the most intriguing
just because of how
these unflappable pilots,
2018
01:34:13,700 --> 01:34:16,733
these guys that normally have
this right stuff attitude,
2019
01:34:16,767 --> 01:34:19,133
they are just freaking out
for lack of a better term
2020
01:34:19,167 --> 01:34:20,633
about they're encountering
up there.
2021
01:34:20,667 --> 01:34:23,333
There's something about that
that just makes it
so compelling.
2022
01:34:23,367 --> 01:34:25,233
All right, so let's check
in with Jessica
2023
01:34:25,267 --> 01:34:27,533
and our ever expanding
Twitter feed.
2024
01:34:27,567 --> 01:34:30,667
Thank you, Josh.
Here's what's happening
over on social.
2025
01:34:30,700 --> 01:34:32,767
Bring it up. All right.
Joseph writes, [reading].
2026
01:34:37,233 --> 01:34:39,067
Jeremy, you want
to take that one?
2027
01:34:39,100 --> 01:34:41,200
Yeah, I think we can handle.
We know we can handle.
2028
01:34:41,233 --> 01:34:42,633
We have a right to know,
a need to know
2029
01:34:42,667 --> 01:34:45,967
and I feel a duty to find out
the truth about UFOs.
2030
01:34:46,067 --> 01:34:47,967
All right, thanks, Jeremy
and thanks, Joseph.
2031
01:34:48,067 --> 01:34:53,500
Keep sending your clips
and comments in using
the #UFOsDeclassifedLIVE.
2032
01:34:53,533 --> 01:34:56,300
All right. Well, next up,
we're going to dig deep
2033
01:34:56,333 --> 01:34:58,900
into our controversial history
with UFOs.
2034
01:34:58,933 --> 01:35:02,867
Plus, we have
that gripping footage
from the deck of the USS Omaha
2035
01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:06,100
when UFOs Declassified:
LIVE returns.
2036
01:35:28,067 --> 01:35:31,367
You're watching
UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
I'm Josh Gates.
2037
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,933
As the pentagon
report indicates,
the public in general
2038
01:35:34,967 --> 01:35:39,267
has been hesitant to disclose
UAP sightings
because of the stigma
2039
01:35:39,300 --> 01:35:41,400
associated with
UFO eye witnesses.
2040
01:35:41,433 --> 01:35:45,600
But research shows
that these UAP sightings
have been going on
2041
01:35:45,633 --> 01:35:48,167
for years and years.
Take a look.
2042
01:35:49,633 --> 01:35:53,933
[Nick Pope] People think that
with these US navy sightings,
2043
01:35:53,967 --> 01:35:56,600
some people think this is new,
it's not new.
2044
01:35:56,633 --> 01:35:58,967
It's been going on
since the dawn of time.
2045
01:36:02,467 --> 01:36:06,167
Myths, legends,these things,
whatever they are,
2046
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,100
have been seen
throughout history.
2047
01:36:10,500 --> 01:36:13,567
[Jim Semivan] After
World War II,
the world was very different,
2048
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:18,067
and we had exploded
a nuclear bomb over
Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
2049
01:36:18,067 --> 01:36:20,500
That changed everything.
2050
01:36:20,533 --> 01:36:24,200
Now, people start seeing
unidentified flying objects
2051
01:36:24,233 --> 01:36:26,167
and they're coming
over military bases
2052
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:27,800
and we don't know
what to do about it.
2053
01:36:30,067 --> 01:36:35,733
[Nick] One of the central
pieces to the UFO back story
is Roswell.
2054
01:36:35,767 --> 01:36:38,867
Something crashed
in the New Mexico Desert.
2055
01:36:38,900 --> 01:36:41,800
From that moment on,
two things happened.
2056
01:36:41,833 --> 01:36:45,400
Firstly the U.S. government
knew that we're not alone,
2057
01:36:45,433 --> 01:36:50,133
and secondly,
a vast conspiracy emerged
2058
01:36:50,167 --> 01:36:52,133
to cover this truth up.
2059
01:36:52,167 --> 01:36:54,400
Believers say
alien spacecraft.
2060
01:36:54,433 --> 01:36:57,667
Skeptics say weather balloon.
2061
01:37:00,067 --> 01:37:02,067
Whatever happened at Roswell,
2062
01:37:02,067 --> 01:37:07,733
it's now so embedded
in people's awareness
as part of pop culture
2063
01:37:07,767 --> 01:37:12,800
and continues to fire people's
interest and imagination.
2064
01:37:12,833 --> 01:37:17,133
And maybe what happened
at Roswell was the start
of all this,
2065
01:37:17,167 --> 01:37:19,533
at least the start
in the modern era.
2066
01:37:22,133 --> 01:37:25,833
[Keith Melton] In 1953,
the CIA created
the Robertson panel.
2067
01:37:25,867 --> 01:37:30,533
It said that there was
no direct threat from UFOs.
2068
01:37:30,567 --> 01:37:35,900
But most important,
they said the real danger
wasn't from UFOs,
2069
01:37:35,933 --> 01:37:39,300
but it was from thousands
of UFO sightings
2070
01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:42,900
would overwhelm
our reporting capabilities
2071
01:37:42,933 --> 01:37:45,867
and mask a soviet air attack.
2072
01:37:45,900 --> 01:37:50,467
And as a result, they made
a concerted effort to debunk
2073
01:37:50,500 --> 01:37:53,467
and demystify UFOs
2074
01:37:53,500 --> 01:37:56,400
and any people associated
with it.
2075
01:37:56,433 --> 01:38:00,533
If people watch closely,
they'll notice we tend to use
2076
01:38:00,567 --> 01:38:03,900
the phrase UAP and not UFO.
2077
01:38:03,933 --> 01:38:07,167
It's just a way of getting rid
of the stigma
2078
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,367
that comes with the term UFO,
and it's just a way,
2079
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:14,733
this is really important,
to get the senior
stakeholder engagement
2080
01:38:14,767 --> 01:38:19,600
from within government,
the military and
the intelligence community.
2081
01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:23,533
Well, joining Nick Pope
on our panel,
2082
01:38:23,567 --> 01:38:26,233
our former CIA officer,
Jim Semivan
2083
01:38:26,267 --> 01:38:28,900
and intelligence historian,
Keith Melton.
2084
01:38:28,933 --> 01:38:30,667
-Welcome to both of you.
-[both] Thank you.
2085
01:38:30,700 --> 01:38:36,100
Okay, so, you know,
when we talk about the history
of UFO sightings,
2086
01:38:36,133 --> 01:38:39,800
they may well go back
into pre-history.
2087
01:38:39,833 --> 01:38:43,800
But I think most Americans
think of Roswell as
the beginning of it all.
2088
01:38:43,833 --> 01:38:45,333
Why?
2089
01:38:45,367 --> 01:38:50,200
Well, actually the first major
UFO incident took place
one month earlier.
2090
01:38:50,233 --> 01:38:51,900
-Before Roswell?
-Before.
2091
01:38:51,933 --> 01:38:55,267
When a private pilot
flying near
Mount Raniere, Washington,
2092
01:38:55,300 --> 01:39:00,300
observed nine flying discs
in formation traveling
2093
01:39:00,333 --> 01:39:02,533
at speeds between
Mach 2 and Mach 3.
2094
01:39:02,567 --> 01:39:05,267
The next day,
it made nationwide headlines.
2095
01:39:05,300 --> 01:39:09,200
And one newspaper coined
the term "flying saucers."
2096
01:39:09,233 --> 01:39:10,900
-That's where it all started.
-It started there.
2097
01:39:10,933 --> 01:39:12,167
At least
in our popular culture.
2098
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:16,233
Why do you think Roswell gets
the glory as it were?
2099
01:39:16,267 --> 01:39:20,067
It has become popularized
certainly after 1970.
2100
01:39:20,067 --> 01:39:25,433
But from 1947 to 1970, very
little was written about it.
2101
01:39:25,467 --> 01:39:29,467
Let's talk about area 51
and how that fits
into the Roswell story.
2102
01:39:29,500 --> 01:39:32,600
There is no direct connection
2103
01:39:32,633 --> 01:39:38,367
between Roswell in 1947
and area 51 in 1955.
2104
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:42,967
It didn't even
begin construction
until August of 1955.
2105
01:39:43,067 --> 01:39:45,900
And yet, they're always
thought of in the same breath.
2106
01:39:45,933 --> 01:39:49,867
In the context
that if there were technology,
2107
01:39:49,900 --> 01:39:54,133
foreign adversarial technology
that would likely have been
the place.
2108
01:39:54,167 --> 01:39:58,567
But actually at the time,
it would have probably gone
to Patterson air force base.
2109
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:02,567
It would have been
a much more likely scenario
in that theory.
2110
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,133
One of the things I found,
Jim, interesting
in the package
2111
01:40:05,167 --> 01:40:09,967
is you mentioned that
the bombings in World War II
of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
2112
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,533
really coincide
with the beginnings
of a lot of these UFO reports.
2113
01:40:13,567 --> 01:40:16,533
Do you think there is
an actual connection
between these events?
2114
01:40:16,567 --> 01:40:22,767
Yeah, I think so. In 1945,
a squadron of Hellcat Fighters
2115
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:26,867
were trying to intercept a UFO
that was hovering
2116
01:40:26,900 --> 01:40:32,167
over a han ford plutonium
production facility
in Washington state.
2117
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:33,900
Now, they did this over
three nights.
2118
01:40:33,933 --> 01:40:35,933
They went after these UFOs
over three nights.
2119
01:40:35,967 --> 01:40:38,000
and obviously
didn't catch them.
2120
01:40:38,033 --> 01:40:42,600
But this occurred seven months
before the bombs went off,
2121
01:40:42,633 --> 01:40:45,800
before the atomic bombs
went off in Hiroshima
and Nagasaki.
2122
01:40:45,833 --> 01:40:48,367
And what this indicates
to me is
2123
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:52,333
that these UAPs
were interested
in our nuclear technology
2124
01:40:52,367 --> 01:40:54,433
at the very beginning
of the nuclear age.
2125
01:40:54,467 --> 01:40:59,367
One of the things I read
that sounded either outlandish
or terrifying or both,
2126
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:02,900
I don't know, is that some
former air force personnel
2127
01:41:02,933 --> 01:41:05,967
testified not just
that UAPs exist,
2128
01:41:06,067 --> 01:41:10,133
but that they have
the capability
to neutralize nuclear weapons.
2129
01:41:10,167 --> 01:41:12,200
Is there any evidence
of that really?
2130
01:41:12,233 --> 01:41:15,833
Yes. And allegedly.
2131
01:41:15,867 --> 01:41:21,133
But there are a few instances
where UAPs were seen
2132
01:41:21,167 --> 01:41:27,433
over ICBM sites
and that they were
allegedly interfering
2133
01:41:27,467 --> 01:41:28,800
with their launch activity.
2134
01:41:28,833 --> 01:41:30,567
Now this happened
in Russia too,
2135
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:34,267
it happened numerous times
in Russia actually, so we have
seen this before.
2136
01:41:34,300 --> 01:41:37,167
Nick, one of the things
that is curious here is
2137
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,900
we have talked in this country
about UFOs,
2138
01:41:39,933 --> 01:41:42,067
certainly in popular culture
for a long time.
2139
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:43,367
But look at what we have now.
2140
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,400
We've got this official
pentagon report.
2141
01:41:46,433 --> 01:41:50,467
Do you think the release
of this report changes
2142
01:41:50,500 --> 01:41:54,167
the perception in the culture
around UFOs?
2143
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:57,500
Completely. I think it was
regarded as fringe.
2144
01:41:57,533 --> 01:42:00,767
It's now main stream.
People thought about it
in terms
2145
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,967
of science fiction
and conspiracy theory.
2146
01:42:03,067 --> 01:42:07,067
They're now framing it
correctly as defense
and national security issue.
2147
01:42:07,100 --> 01:42:09,900
So it's completely
changed the narrative, yes.
2148
01:42:09,933 --> 01:42:12,300
Do you think that when people
read in this report
2149
01:42:12,333 --> 01:42:18,300
that 143 out of 144
of these sightings
are unexplained,
2150
01:42:18,333 --> 01:42:19,767
that they should be worried?
2151
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,800
Yeah, I think it's like
if you can't explain
that many of them,
2152
01:42:22,833 --> 01:42:26,067
well, go back and take
another look. Could do better.
2153
01:42:26,067 --> 01:42:28,633
Yeah, so you think people
should be nervous by this
to some extent?
2154
01:42:28,667 --> 01:42:30,800
They should. If there's
anything in our skies,
2155
01:42:30,833 --> 01:42:32,800
particularly with
these technologies,
2156
01:42:32,833 --> 01:42:35,233
then absolutely,
we must be concerned.
2157
01:42:35,267 --> 01:42:39,300
And Congress is concerned.
Hence the interest,
continuing interest.
2158
01:42:39,333 --> 01:42:41,567
-This report is just
the beginning.
-All right.
2159
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,300
Thank you very much.
We're gonna take a break here.
2160
01:42:43,333 --> 01:42:47,500
When we return, we have got
that must-see footage from
the deck of the USS Omaha
2161
01:42:47,533 --> 01:42:50,067
and it is almost time
to bang the gavel
2162
01:42:50,067 --> 01:42:53,400
and find out
what the verdict is
from our experts, adversaries,
2163
01:42:53,433 --> 01:42:54,933
aliens, neither.
2164
01:42:54,967 --> 01:42:58,500
And don't forget to share
your thoughts on UAPs
on Twitter
2165
01:42:58,533 --> 01:43:01,633
using the
#UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE.
2166
01:43:01,667 --> 01:43:02,533
We'll be right back.
2167
01:43:25,867 --> 01:43:29,767
[Josh] Looking at our poll,
when asked,
"What's inside area 51?"
2168
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,167
Looks like a pretty tight race
2169
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:35,067
between an ET spaceship
and military equipment.
2170
01:43:35,100 --> 01:43:38,467
Welcome back
to UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
2171
01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:42,400
I'm Josh Gates along
with UAP/UFO experts,
2172
01:43:42,433 --> 01:43:46,267
Jeremy Corbell,
Jim Semivan and Nick Pope.
2173
01:43:46,300 --> 01:43:49,600
Now, as promised, we have
brand-new footage
2174
01:43:49,633 --> 01:43:53,200
from the swarming event
above the USS Omaha.
2175
01:43:53,233 --> 01:43:57,767
Get ready for this.
We've already seen incredible
radar and flir imagery.
2176
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:02,100
Now, we have a brand-new angle
on this same historic event.
2177
01:44:02,133 --> 01:44:03,100
Take a look.
2178
01:44:05,167 --> 01:44:06,933
All right, Jeremy,
let's talk about this.
2179
01:44:06,967 --> 01:44:09,300
What are we seeing
in this footage?
2180
01:44:09,333 --> 01:44:12,067
[Jeremy] Right,
so you're seeing
corroborative video evidence.
2181
01:44:12,067 --> 01:44:14,667
All the other videos
that George Knapp
and I have put out,
2182
01:44:14,700 --> 01:44:15,767
they've been confirmed
2183
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,567
by the pentagon as being
true unidentified UFOs.
2184
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,867
Part of a study,
what you're seeing here
2185
01:44:20,900 --> 01:44:22,833
is video footage
from the USS Omaha.
2186
01:44:22,867 --> 01:44:25,667
You see the lights,
they're lit up.
That's really important.
2187
01:44:25,700 --> 01:44:27,600
It's the first time
you're seeing footage of this.
2188
01:44:27,633 --> 01:44:30,900
[Josh] And so, how long
did this event go on for?
2189
01:44:30,933 --> 01:44:32,900
[Jeremy] This is actually
over a number of days
2190
01:44:32,933 --> 01:44:37,633
where it came to a highlight
on the 15th of July, 2019.
2191
01:44:37,667 --> 01:44:39,133
[Josh] So, we see
these lights.
2192
01:44:39,167 --> 01:44:42,800
We can see some blinking here.
I know we have
this flair and radar also,
2193
01:44:42,833 --> 01:44:45,267
but now we do know
this isn't an aircraft?
2194
01:44:45,300 --> 01:44:47,167
How do we know we're not
seeing a helicopter hovering?
2195
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,233
Right, so this is well studied
by our United States military.
2196
01:44:50,267 --> 01:44:54,267
It's part of the UAPTF
task force, like,
investigation into this.
2197
01:44:54,300 --> 01:44:56,633
This is a confirmed
UFO sighting.
2198
01:44:56,667 --> 01:44:59,400
They don't know where
they landed. They don't know
where they took off from.
2199
01:44:59,433 --> 01:45:02,767
This is a true UFO case
with great data.
2200
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,733
There were 14 of these things
at one point
2201
01:45:04,767 --> 01:45:07,167
around the USS Omaha,
completely surrounding it.
2202
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,200
They pop on and off radar
over a period
of several hours.
2203
01:45:10,233 --> 01:45:12,633
That one was recorded
on the thermal images
2204
01:45:12,667 --> 01:45:15,067
that travel along
with the ship for an hour.
2205
01:45:15,067 --> 01:45:18,200
Earlier I asked you
what your favorite video
from tonight is,
2206
01:45:18,233 --> 01:45:19,567
anybody want to change
their answers?
2207
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,133
I mean, how much
of a game changer
do you think this video is?
2208
01:45:22,167 --> 01:45:24,533
Altogether, this video
is so important
2209
01:45:24,567 --> 01:45:27,567
because again, it supports
an entire event series
2210
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:31,667
as one of the most
well-documented UFO cases
of all time now.
2211
01:45:31,700 --> 01:45:35,067
And so, you know, taking
all that evidence together,
2212
01:45:35,067 --> 01:45:36,833
it does seem
really compelling, doesn't it?
2213
01:45:36,867 --> 01:45:39,667
-It is absolutely compelling.
-So, okay.
2214
01:45:39,700 --> 01:45:43,533
You know, George,
you've been at the forefront
of this field for years,
2215
01:45:43,567 --> 01:45:45,300
what's your reaction
to this video?
2216
01:45:45,333 --> 01:45:49,067
Well, it's important because
you have three different forms
of evidence to document it.
2217
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:51,967
And I presume there are
other cases like that,
2218
01:45:52,067 --> 01:45:54,933
that they
are censored information
that the pentagon has
2219
01:45:54,967 --> 01:45:57,600
that is too sensitive
to release to us,
to the public.
2220
01:45:57,633 --> 01:45:59,700
It is classified
for a good reason.
2221
01:45:59,733 --> 01:46:02,267
As it was told to me
by an intelligence official,
2222
01:46:02,300 --> 01:46:04,467
you can't tell your friends
without telling your enemies.
2223
01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:07,067
So, there are good reasons for
keeping some of this secret.
2224
01:46:07,067 --> 01:46:09,500
But this clearly is
a pretty solid case.
2225
01:46:09,533 --> 01:46:12,800
Nick, how seriously should
this incident be taken?
2226
01:46:12,833 --> 01:46:15,600
Very seriously.
Something is toying with us.
2227
01:46:15,633 --> 01:46:17,367
It's like playing cat
and mouse with us.
2228
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,167
And I know some of us
with governmental backgrounds
2229
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:22,767
get accused of pushing
the threat narrative here.
2230
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,667
But come on, you've got to say
when these sorts of things
2231
01:46:25,700 --> 01:46:28,100
get close
to our U.S. military assets,
2232
01:46:28,133 --> 01:46:31,500
whether they're aircraft
carrier, destroyers,
maybe jets, whatever they are.
2233
01:46:31,533 --> 01:46:34,533
that has got to be seen
as a potential threat.
2234
01:46:34,567 --> 01:46:36,267
Okay. We're going
to take a break here,
2235
01:46:36,300 --> 01:46:39,267
but you're not going to want
to miss what's coming up.
2236
01:46:39,300 --> 01:46:42,367
Our panelists
will be delivering
their final verdict,
2237
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:44,967
adversary, extraterrestrial
or neither.
2238
01:46:45,067 --> 01:46:50,333
Please keep launching
your tweets our way
with #UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE.
2239
01:46:50,367 --> 01:46:51,733
More to come after this.
2240
01:47:10,267 --> 01:47:14,067
We are back with more
UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
2241
01:47:14,067 --> 01:47:17,067
I'm Josh Gates. For most
of us, our only exposure
2242
01:47:17,067 --> 01:47:20,767
to the idea
of extraterrestrial life
has come from television
2243
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:24,067
and movies from
The Twilight Zone
to Independence Day.
2244
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:27,067
So, how does Hollywood compare
to the real deal?
2245
01:47:28,733 --> 01:47:32,833
Hollywood has always been
a teller of sci-fi stories.
2246
01:47:32,867 --> 01:47:36,900
I think for entertaining
the audience about UFOs
2247
01:47:36,933 --> 01:47:42,667
and I think UFO movies
play into our great ignorance
of the world around us.
2248
01:47:44,167 --> 01:47:47,367
[Barry] One of the things
that's always been out there,
2249
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:53,533
did we create interest in UFOs
or the fact that people
2250
01:47:53,567 --> 01:47:55,867
were interested
in those things,
2251
01:47:55,900 --> 01:47:59,900
did we take advantage
and create what our vision
2252
01:48:00,067 --> 01:48:01,667
of what those images
would look like?
2253
01:48:03,133 --> 01:48:06,833
[Nick] There is an interesting
conspiracy theory
2254
01:48:06,867 --> 01:48:10,267
that some Hollywood movies
are actually part
2255
01:48:10,300 --> 01:48:13,367
of a government campaign
to acclimatize people
2256
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,100
to an
extraterrestrial reality.
2257
01:48:16,300 --> 01:48:18,767
Hollywood has had
a huge impact in terms
2258
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:22,267
of how we conceptualize
extraterrestrial life forms
2259
01:48:22,300 --> 01:48:25,433
intermingling with life
on earth.
2260
01:48:25,467 --> 01:48:31,833
I have met people that I truly
believe could be aliens.
2261
01:48:31,867 --> 01:48:33,600
When we would scout
Men in Black,
2262
01:48:33,633 --> 01:48:37,100
we would drive around New York
and look out the window
2263
01:48:37,133 --> 01:48:43,067
and go, alien, alien.
It's possible they're here.
2264
01:48:43,067 --> 01:48:49,267
[Jonathan] Hollywood created
the look and the sound
of UFOs and flying saucers.
2265
01:48:49,300 --> 01:48:52,467
But it's really the movies
of Hollywood starting
in the 1950s
2266
01:48:52,500 --> 01:48:57,067
that give us the definitive
image of those flying saucers.
2267
01:48:57,067 --> 01:49:00,067
And it's impact
on our perception of UFOs
2268
01:49:00,067 --> 01:49:04,167
has been tremendous,
probably bigger
than any other media.
2269
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:07,800
If used correctly,
Hollywood is an
incredible platform
2270
01:49:07,833 --> 01:49:09,800
to enlighten people.
2271
01:49:09,833 --> 01:49:12,067
I think it will
make people want
2272
01:49:12,067 --> 01:49:14,933
to work on it, study it,
understand it,
2273
01:49:14,967 --> 01:49:17,767
get people really interested
and excited
2274
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:21,400
about dealing with UFOs
that are more than just
a craft in the sky.
2275
01:49:23,067 --> 01:49:26,600
Hollywood has actually
produced much better CGI video
2276
01:49:26,633 --> 01:49:29,433
than the Navy pilots have.
2277
01:49:29,467 --> 01:49:33,067
That's cause for some question
in itself is that,
2278
01:49:33,067 --> 01:49:38,467
are we too now saturated
with video CGI images
2279
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:42,867
and has this now made us less
likely to believe what we see?
2280
01:49:47,067 --> 01:49:50,867
Joining Nick Pope and I
on the panel is our own
Jessica Chobot.
2281
01:49:50,900 --> 01:49:54,767
-Welcome to
the big desk, Jess.
-I'm so stoked to be here.
2282
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:56,300
Good to have you here.
2283
01:49:56,333 --> 01:50:02,133
Okay, let's talk movies.
I know you are a major
pop culture and movie buff,
2284
01:50:02,167 --> 01:50:03,467
by which I mean a huge nerd.
2285
01:50:03,500 --> 01:50:06,133
-Yes.
-What is the best
2286
01:50:06,167 --> 01:50:09,400
extraterrestrial alien
movie ever made
in your opinion?
2287
01:50:09,433 --> 01:50:12,667
Ever made. Well, I've got
a lot that I like a lot,
2288
01:50:12,700 --> 01:50:15,000
but I would have to say
They Live.
2289
01:50:15,033 --> 01:50:16,833
-Oh, They Live?
-Yeah, yeah.
2290
01:50:16,867 --> 01:50:19,333
John Carpenter.
Amazing special effects.
2291
01:50:19,367 --> 01:50:22,567
-Questionable acting.
-I don't think so.
2292
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:24,567
-Come on.
-It's a classic.
2293
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:26,033
It is a classic.
It is a classic.
2294
01:50:26,067 --> 01:50:28,033
Nick Pope, what about for you?
2295
01:50:28,067 --> 01:50:29,333
- Arrival.
-Yeah.
2296
01:50:29,367 --> 01:50:31,200
Because I think it speaks
to a lot of the issues
2297
01:50:31,233 --> 01:50:34,267
people are thinking about
right now with this report
to Congress.
2298
01:50:34,300 --> 01:50:39,533
I mean, it's not just
about aliens. It's about us
and our response.
2299
01:50:39,567 --> 01:50:43,167
Do we respond with hope
or fear, with the hand
of friendship
2300
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:45,300
-or guns and bombs?
-That's right.
2301
01:50:45,333 --> 01:50:47,200
I have to say it's kind of
an impossible question.
2302
01:50:47,233 --> 01:50:49,467
There are so many
great alien movies.
2303
01:50:49,500 --> 01:50:52,733
How about Alien
or the greatest sequel
of all time, Aliens.
2304
01:50:52,767 --> 01:50:54,100
I thought you were going
to say Prometheus.
2305
01:50:54,133 --> 01:50:55,567
And I was gonna be like,
"You gotta leave!"
2306
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,500
-Not Prometheus,
but the other ones.
- [laughs]
2307
01:50:58,533 --> 01:51:02,400
I mean for me personally,
when I was a kid,
2308
01:51:02,433 --> 01:51:07,067
I used to love really
old sci-fi, I used to love
The Day the Earth Stood Still,
2309
01:51:07,067 --> 01:51:09,067
Forbidden Planet,
2310
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:12,067
I was a huge fan
of Twilight Zone,
the TV series
2311
01:51:12,067 --> 01:51:13,500
the reruns of that
when I was a kid.
2312
01:51:13,533 --> 01:51:16,900
And I have to say, you know,
The Monsters Are Due
on Maple Street
2313
01:51:16,933 --> 01:51:20,500
and Nightmare at 20,000 Feet,
Will the Real Martian
Please Stand Up?
2314
01:51:20,533 --> 01:51:23,833
Those old, kind of, you know,
Cold War era stories
2315
01:51:23,867 --> 01:51:26,800
that were also, again,
speaking to people's fears.
2316
01:51:26,833 --> 01:51:30,700
That was the stuff that got me
into science fiction
and into this topic.
2317
01:51:30,733 --> 01:51:33,700
Because there is something
about extraterrestrials
2318
01:51:33,733 --> 01:51:36,600
that's also very human.
Does that make sense, Nick?
2319
01:51:36,633 --> 01:51:40,067
Yes, it does. We look out
but at the same time,
we look in.
2320
01:51:40,067 --> 01:51:46,067
It's not just about aliens
but it's about us,
who are we as a species?
2321
01:51:46,067 --> 01:51:49,333
How would we respond
if we find out
that we're not alone?
2322
01:51:49,367 --> 01:51:51,667
You know, one of the things
that you mention in the piece,
2323
01:51:51,700 --> 01:51:55,200
Nick, is that some people
believe that Hollywood,
2324
01:51:55,233 --> 01:51:59,067
you know, is part of a kind of
conspiracy to acclimate us
2325
01:51:59,067 --> 01:52:02,400
to the possibility of an
extraterrestrial arrival.
2326
01:52:02,433 --> 01:52:04,200
I'm not sure I put much stock
in that.
2327
01:52:04,233 --> 01:52:05,900
-Do you think that's true?
-No.
2328
01:52:05,933 --> 01:52:09,233
Not really to acclimate us
to that
2329
01:52:09,267 --> 01:52:12,833
or even indoctrinate us
to say they're a threat.
2330
01:52:12,867 --> 01:52:15,467
Bur look, I think that
there are so many movies.
2331
01:52:15,500 --> 01:52:18,133
Some with good aliens,
some with bad aliens
2332
01:52:18,167 --> 01:52:20,833
that it's a funny
indoctrination campaign
2333
01:52:20,867 --> 01:52:22,667
if we're getting all
these mixed messages.
2334
01:52:22,700 --> 01:52:25,167
Can I jump in really
quick though and say
2335
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,933
it's not the first time
Hollywood worked
with the government
2336
01:52:27,967 --> 01:52:30,367
to pull the wool over
people's eyes. So who knows?
2337
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:31,833
I have no idea
what you're talking about.
2338
01:52:31,867 --> 01:52:33,800
- Argo.
-Oh, Argo.
2339
01:52:33,833 --> 01:52:36,800
I thought you were going
moon landing.
I was getting very worried.
2340
01:52:36,833 --> 01:52:39,833
-No, no, no.
-Don't go crazy on me here.
2341
01:52:39,867 --> 01:52:42,767
I'm talking about other times
they made deals
2342
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,967
with the U.S. to try
to accomplish things.
2343
01:52:46,067 --> 01:52:47,833
-But not that.
-Not that.
2344
01:52:47,867 --> 01:52:50,967
If this was
a Hollywood conspiracy,
2345
01:52:51,067 --> 01:52:54,567
all movies would be E.T.
right, they would
all be warm and fuzzy.
2346
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:56,233
We wouldn't have Species.
2347
01:52:56,267 --> 01:52:58,667
Or all the other way
to ourselves.
2348
01:52:58,700 --> 01:53:01,067
That's right.
That's exactly right.
We'd be terrified by that.
2349
01:53:01,067 --> 01:53:04,433
We're going to take a break.
A pleasure as always talking
to both of you.
2350
01:53:04,467 --> 01:53:08,500
Okay, so what television show,
movie, pop culture moment
2351
01:53:08,533 --> 01:53:11,067
do you think is
the most accurate depiction
2352
01:53:11,067 --> 01:53:12,833
of what's really out there?
Tell us now
2353
01:53:12,867 --> 01:53:16,633
using #UFOsDeclassifiedLIVE
on Twitter.
2354
01:53:16,667 --> 01:53:19,067
And after the break,
I'll be speaking with the man
2355
01:53:19,067 --> 01:53:23,133
who is largely responsible
for initiating
the pentagon report,
2356
01:53:23,167 --> 01:53:26,900
former senate majority leader
Harry Reid will be joining us.
2357
01:53:26,933 --> 01:53:29,233
And you won't believe
what he has to say.
2358
01:53:29,267 --> 01:53:31,167
And our panel will
reach their verdict
2359
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:34,567
when UFOs Declassified:
LIVE returns.
2360
01:54:05,067 --> 01:54:08,400
Welcome back to
UFOs Declassified: LIVE.
2361
01:54:08,433 --> 01:54:10,533
I'm Josh Gates.
As you know by now,
2362
01:54:10,567 --> 01:54:14,267
information on UAPs became
declassified this week
2363
01:54:14,300 --> 01:54:17,133
when the pentagon UFO report
became public.
2364
01:54:17,167 --> 01:54:19,067
Right now, we're going
to speak to the man
2365
01:54:19,067 --> 01:54:21,233
who many call the man
the god father of this report,
2366
01:54:21,267 --> 01:54:24,333
former governor and senate
majority leader Harry Reid.
2367
01:54:24,367 --> 01:54:26,467
Thank you
for joining us, Senator.
2368
01:54:26,500 --> 01:54:28,067
Really my pleasure.
2369
01:54:28,067 --> 01:54:30,067
Look, I think a lot
of Americans
were pretty surprised
2370
01:54:30,100 --> 01:54:35,867
to wake up a few days ago
to see the pentagon put out
an official report on UFOs.
2371
01:54:35,900 --> 01:54:39,100
When you got the ball
rolling on this in 2007,
2372
01:54:39,133 --> 01:54:41,533
did you think it would lead
to a public report like this?
2373
01:54:42,533 --> 01:54:47,100
I didn't give it
much thought frankly.
2374
01:54:47,133 --> 01:54:53,433
I was just trying to show that
the occurrences of these UFOs
2375
01:54:53,467 --> 01:54:56,700
was not something
that was a figment
of someone's imagination.
2376
01:54:56,733 --> 01:54:59,067
They actually took place.
2377
01:54:59,067 --> 01:55:04,500
And as we know now,
we spent $22 million
of the government's money
2378
01:55:04,533 --> 01:55:08,067
and we proved that these
are actual sightings
2379
01:55:08,100 --> 01:55:10,600
that people had
for a long, long time.
2380
01:55:10,633 --> 01:55:13,867
So, I didn't know
if they had cut out the report
2381
01:55:13,900 --> 01:55:19,400
the report frankly that
they came out with
is pretty sparse, pretty slim.
2382
01:55:19,433 --> 01:55:23,400
And I would hope
that it is not one and done.
2383
01:55:23,433 --> 01:55:26,067
I think if we're going to do
a good job on this,
2384
01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:29,800
we need to make sure
the government is involved
on it on a continuous basis.
2385
01:55:29,833 --> 01:55:33,933
And this slim, slim report
is not good enough.
2386
01:55:33,967 --> 01:55:37,300
What do you think American
should take away
from this report
2387
01:55:37,333 --> 01:55:39,667
or what do you find
most interesting in it?
2388
01:55:39,700 --> 01:55:43,100
Well, I'm glad the government
is acknowledging
2389
01:55:43,133 --> 01:55:47,333
that there's something
that needs to be looked into.
2390
01:55:47,367 --> 01:55:52,800
My concern is it was
just so weak in facts.
2391
01:55:52,833 --> 01:55:58,233
If anybody reads this,
they won't know much more
2392
01:55:58,267 --> 01:56:00,667
after reading it than
before they started.
2393
01:56:00,700 --> 01:56:04,067
And look, the report
doesn't specifically point
2394
01:56:04,067 --> 01:56:07,367
to an extraterrestrial origin
for these sightings.
2395
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:12,367
Do you think it exonerates
foreign players though,
China or Russia?
2396
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:16,833
Could these be, you know,
high-tech objects
from other countries?
2397
01:56:16,867 --> 01:56:19,667
-I don't think we can
eliminate anything.
-Right.
2398
01:56:19,700 --> 01:56:21,467
I think we should have
an open mind.
2399
01:56:21,500 --> 01:56:26,300
My personal feeling is
I doubt that it is China
or Russia or France.
2400
01:56:26,333 --> 01:56:29,233
But if it is,
that's the way it is.
2401
01:56:29,267 --> 01:56:33,700
I just think technologically
they're not that far ahead
of us.
2402
01:56:33,733 --> 01:56:36,167
In fact, I don't think
they're ahead of us at all.
2403
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:39,467
And so, where do you think
we go from here, senator?
2404
01:56:39,500 --> 01:56:42,733
I believe that we must
continue working on this.
2405
01:56:43,233 --> 01:56:44,767
We, uh...
2406
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:48,900
We don't know what they are.
2407
01:56:48,933 --> 01:56:52,733
But for us, now we have
to walk away from
with this slim report.
2408
01:56:52,767 --> 01:56:55,167
It would not be
in keeping with,
2409
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,433
what i believe is good
scientific evidence.
2410
01:56:57,467 --> 01:56:58,800
We need to continue...
2411
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:01,600
not worried about...
2412
01:57:01,633 --> 01:57:04,067
conspiracy theories
and little green men.
2413
01:57:04,067 --> 01:57:06,067
We have to worry
about... science.
2414
01:57:06,100 --> 01:57:08,333
What are they?
We know they exist.
2415
01:57:08,367 --> 01:57:10,167
So, let's continue working...
2416
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:12,200
scientifically to figure out
what the hell they are.
2417
01:57:12,733 --> 01:57:13,600
Absolutely.
2418
01:57:13,633 --> 01:57:15,233
Senator, a pleasure
speaking with you.
2419
01:57:15,267 --> 01:57:16,633
Thanks very much
for your time.
2420
01:57:17,133 --> 01:57:17,867
My pleasure.
2421
01:57:19,433 --> 01:57:21,900
Well, great to get
Senator Reid's input,
2422
01:57:21,933 --> 01:57:23,600
and if nothing else,
the Pentagon report
2423
01:57:23,633 --> 01:57:25,833
has formalized
a number of goals
2424
01:57:25,867 --> 01:57:28,467
for future UAP Research.
2425
01:57:28,500 --> 01:57:31,067
The Pentagon says they plan
to standardize the reporting,
2426
01:57:31,067 --> 01:57:33,900
consolidate the data
and deepen the analysis.
2427
01:57:33,933 --> 01:57:36,600
They intend to expand
their collection of data,
2428
01:57:36,633 --> 01:57:40,067
and increase the investments
in Research and Development.
2429
01:57:40,067 --> 01:57:41,967
Okay. So, Jim,
let me start with you.
2430
01:57:42,067 --> 01:57:42,900
Do you think that's true?
2431
01:57:42,933 --> 01:57:44,933
Do you think that
Congress will continue
2432
01:57:44,967 --> 01:57:47,433
funding UAP Research
like the report says?
2433
01:57:47,467 --> 01:57:49,500
Oh, yeah. I think the
cat's out of the bag.
2434
01:57:49,533 --> 01:57:52,833
and as long as UAPs are
buzzing nuclear sites,
2435
01:57:52,867 --> 01:57:57,067
military installations and
carrier strike groups,
2436
01:57:57,100 --> 01:57:59,367
you're going to have
money for research.
2437
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:00,700
So you think this is just
the beginning of this?
2438
01:58:00,733 --> 01:58:02,300
I think this is just
the beginning, yes.
2439
01:58:02,333 --> 01:58:03,567
Okay, so...
2440
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:04,833
Time has come,
moment of truth,
2441
01:58:04,867 --> 01:58:06,667
everybody here on the panel,
2442
01:58:06,700 --> 01:58:07,967
one of you is an alien.
2443
01:58:08,067 --> 01:58:09,967
No, that's not what
we're talking about.
2444
01:58:10,067 --> 01:58:11,633
Given what we
have learned tonight.
2445
01:58:11,667 --> 01:58:15,100
Experts, I can't wait to
hear your take in all of this.
2446
01:58:15,133 --> 01:58:20,200
Do you believe that these UAPs
are extraterrestrials?
2447
01:58:20,233 --> 01:58:21,933
Do you believe that
they're adversaries,
2448
01:58:21,967 --> 01:58:24,767
foreign players of some kind
or something else entirely?
2449
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,167
We'll start with my
good friend, Nick Pope.
2450
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:27,133
What do you think man?
2451
01:58:27,167 --> 01:58:28,833
I'd love it to be aliens,
2452
01:58:28,867 --> 01:58:30,100
But i occasionally wonder,
2453
01:58:30,133 --> 01:58:31,567
if it isn't something
more bizarre,
2454
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:34,833
something for which we have
neither the words nor concept.
2455
01:58:34,867 --> 01:58:37,733
So, uh, you think it could be
something else entirely?
2456
01:58:37,767 --> 01:58:38,667
Absolutely.
2457
01:58:38,700 --> 01:58:39,967
Alright.
Jim, what about you?
2458
01:58:40,933 --> 01:58:43,567
I believe it's a
non-human technology.
2459
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:46,233
-Really?
-And I wish
I knew who owns it.
2460
01:58:46,267 --> 01:58:48,933
Wow, that's incredible to hear
from you.
2461
01:58:48,967 --> 01:58:51,700
You know, our intelligence
clandestine guy here.
2462
01:58:51,733 --> 01:58:53,900
I mean, that's kind
of remarkable,
2463
01:58:53,933 --> 01:58:55,067
shocking for me to hear,
2464
01:58:55,067 --> 01:58:56,800
-but that's what you believe.
-Yes.
2465
01:58:56,833 --> 01:58:57,700
That it's something other?
2466
01:58:57,733 --> 01:58:59,500
It's something other,
no question.
2467
01:58:59,533 --> 01:59:01,833
And you, my good man,
what do you think, George?
2468
01:59:01,867 --> 01:59:03,133
Well, given that
their technology,
2469
01:59:03,167 --> 01:59:05,833
that advanced technology
that is still far beyond,
2470
01:59:05,867 --> 01:59:08,567
what we can do for, has been
around at least 74 years,
2471
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:10,167
I believe that
it is non-human,
2472
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:11,400
that could be
non-human source.
2473
01:59:11,433 --> 01:59:13,100
that could mean
extra-terrestrial,
2474
01:59:13,133 --> 01:59:14,733
it could mean
inter-dimensional
2475
01:59:14,767 --> 01:59:16,200
it could mean
something more exotic.
2476
01:59:16,233 --> 01:59:18,600
ultra-terrestrial,
something as Nick said,
2477
01:59:18,633 --> 01:59:20,300
we don't know how to explain
2478
01:59:20,333 --> 01:59:22,400
but something lived here
for a long time.
2479
01:59:22,433 --> 01:59:24,167
We need to investigate
the unexplained,
2480
01:59:24,200 --> 01:59:25,567
not explain
the uninvestigated,
2481
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:27,667
and that's gonna take
a permanent program.
2482
01:59:27,700 --> 01:59:29,200
Alright, we're going
to need another special
2483
01:59:29,233 --> 01:59:31,333
to talk about
ultra-terrestrials.
2484
01:59:31,367 --> 01:59:33,100
Im-- I'm-- Okay, good.
2485
01:59:33,133 --> 01:59:34,933
And that brings me
to you, Jeremy.
2486
01:59:34,967 --> 01:59:36,067
What do you think
about all this?
2487
01:59:36,067 --> 01:59:37,433
What's your
final analysis here?
2488
01:59:37,467 --> 01:59:39,900
Some UFOs
represents a technology
2489
01:59:39,933 --> 01:59:45,167
that outperform, outmaneuver,
and outpace our greatest
war planes and weaponry.
2490
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,900
Some UFOs are not made
by modern humans.
2491
01:59:48,933 --> 01:59:50,833
And the United States
Government,
2492
01:59:50,867 --> 01:59:52,600
has in their possession...
2493
01:59:52,633 --> 01:59:53,667
some of these craft.
2494
01:59:54,633 --> 01:59:55,933
You believe that for sure?
2495
01:59:55,967 --> 01:59:57,133
I am certain of it.
2496
01:59:57,167 --> 01:59:59,367
Okay, let's go over
.to the big wall.
2497
01:59:59,400 --> 02:00:01,700
Jessica Chobot, what do you
make of all this?
2498
02:00:01,733 --> 02:00:04,200
Well, I'm not a scientist
so I have no problem,
2499
02:00:04,233 --> 02:00:06,000
just going into the deep
end of the pool.
2500
02:00:06,033 --> 02:00:06,800
Full alien.
2501
02:00:06,833 --> 02:00:08,400
I know it, Jess.
you're a believer.
2502
02:00:08,433 --> 02:00:09,867
-You're a true believer.
-Let's do this.
2503
02:00:09,900 --> 02:00:11,067
Let's do this, people.
2504
02:00:11,100 --> 02:00:13,100
Alright and standing next
to the true believer,
2505
02:00:13,133 --> 02:00:15,167
the voice of science, Dr. O,
what do you think?
2506
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:16,833
Are you going to bring us
down to Earth here?
2507
02:00:16,867 --> 02:00:18,867
Oh, I think it's all
in the name.
2508
02:00:18,900 --> 02:00:21,333
whether you call it
a UAP or a UFO,
2509
02:00:21,367 --> 02:00:23,967
it starts with U,
which stands for Unknown,
2510
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,367
and that's where I stand.
2511
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:27,200
And, so I think
we need more data.
2512
02:00:27,233 --> 02:00:29,067
Do you think there
is a possibility that
2513
02:00:29,100 --> 02:00:32,000
there is an extra-terrestrial
explanation for this?
2514
02:00:32,033 --> 02:00:35,900
I don't lean that direction
for this phenomenon,
2515
02:00:35,933 --> 02:00:39,367
but there are astrophysicists
who think there may be life
2516
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,767
on our planet that we don't
even recognize as life
2517
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:43,933
because we don't have
a broad enough definition.
2518
02:00:43,967 --> 02:00:46,533
So, I do think that
the evidence
2519
02:00:46,567 --> 02:00:48,400
tells us that life
is ubiquitous
2520
02:00:48,433 --> 02:00:49,700
throughout our universe,
2521
02:00:49,733 --> 02:00:53,067
but I think that intelligent,
technologically advanced life
2522
02:00:53,100 --> 02:00:54,900
is exceedingly rare.
2523
02:00:54,933 --> 02:00:57,567
Alright so, one of the
things we have about
2524
02:00:57,600 --> 02:00:59,800
in this report is
what's not in it.
2525
02:00:59,833 --> 02:01:02,533
Right? There is a classified
version of this report.
2526
02:01:05,500 --> 02:01:08,067
Do you think we're going
to see more of this?
2527
02:01:08,067 --> 02:01:10,867
Do you think there's going
to be additional material?
declassified here?
2528
02:01:13,067 --> 02:01:14,067
Oh, there's certainly going
to be more material.
2529
02:01:14,067 --> 02:01:15,100
George and i are going to make
sure of that.
2530
02:01:15,133 --> 02:01:16,800
Oh, there's certainly going
to be more material.
2531
02:01:16,833 --> 02:01:18,533
George and I are going
to make sure of that.
2532
02:01:18,567 --> 02:01:21,067
Whether It's released
officially or not,
we don't know.
2533
02:01:21,067 --> 02:01:22,433
But it's coming.
2534
02:01:22,467 --> 02:01:26,133
And do you think that
what wasn't included
in this public report is,
2535
02:01:26,167 --> 02:01:28,833
for lack of a better word,
juicy, Nick?
2536
02:01:28,867 --> 02:01:32,200
I'm sure. I believe there will
be a lot of
technological information.
2537
02:01:32,233 --> 02:01:36,967
For example, about
the satellite imagery from
DNI John Radcliffe mentioned.
2538
02:01:37,067 --> 02:01:38,467
So, that's something
to look for.
2539
02:01:38,500 --> 02:01:41,633
But for sure this is the
beginning of a journey here,
this report.
2540
02:01:41,667 --> 02:01:43,867
This is not then end
of the conversation.
2541
02:01:43,900 --> 02:01:47,067
We've been told UFOs are real
and they require study.
2542
02:01:47,067 --> 02:01:48,367
That's what that report says.
2543
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:50,467
All right, so much more
to come.
2544
02:01:50,500 --> 02:01:51,933
Yes.
2545
02:01:51,967 --> 02:01:55,867
I have to thAnk all of you.
What an absolutely amazing
journey tonight.
2546
02:01:55,900 --> 02:02:00,633
What a panel. To some,
this report represents
an awakening,
2547
02:02:00,667 --> 02:02:05,800
The government finally
addressing these UAPs that
have been around for years.
2548
02:02:05,833 --> 02:02:10,500
And this represents
a commitment to more research
and investigation, a new day.
2549
02:02:10,533 --> 02:02:14,067
To others the report is a good
first step, let's call it,
2550
02:02:14,100 --> 02:02:17,867
but that more transparency
is needed
to understand the truth.
2551
02:02:17,900 --> 02:02:21,800
And I'm sure that others still
will remain firmly skeptical.
2552
02:02:21,833 --> 02:02:25,167
I know we've got
some skeptics tonight
who are probably unmoved
2553
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:28,467
by these
143 unexplained events.
2554
02:02:28,500 --> 02:02:31,667
As for me personally,
I just wish we had more time
2555
02:02:31,700 --> 02:02:33,700
because I have
a lot more questions.
2556
02:02:33,733 --> 02:02:36,933
I want to thank Jessica Chobot
and all of our esteemed guests
2557
02:02:36,967 --> 02:02:39,567
this evening for what has been
an amazing conversation.
2558
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:42,667
For UFOs Declassified: LIVE,
I'm Josh Gates.
2559
02:02:42,700 --> 02:02:44,433
Good night from Las Vegas.
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