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[Phil Spector]
If they don't like you,
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if you got a tainted past,
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if they've got a picture
of you with a gun,
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if you've done something wrong,
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if they think
you've done something wrong,
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and they don't like you
for whatever reason,
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they will screw you.
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Phil Spector very much
saw himself
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as a victim
of all kinds of things.
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Whether it was from being puny
at high school,
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being a Jew,
not getting a stamp made
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with his name on it
when Buddy Holly did...
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most of the way
he viewed the world
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was about how unfairly
he was treated.
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And his characterization
of himself
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as the victim on that night
was on a par with that.
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I think he was terrified
that he'd be found guilty,
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and that he...
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tried to act just like
he had all the reasons
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to think that he wouldn't
be found guilty.
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What happens
when artistic genius
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collides with the criminal
justice system?
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[cameras snapping]
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Daydreaming 'bout you
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So glad I found you
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I was lost without you
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I'll sing
a little louder
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So glad I found you
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I was lost
without you
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I'll sing
a little louder
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Phil Spector appeared to be
doing everyday living.
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He had gotten married.
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[Mick Brown] I guess she's
probably 40 years his junior.
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This woman named Rachelle Short.
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She, too, was a sort of
aspirant musician,
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aspirant actress, model.
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In fact, the wedding
was in the castle,
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the place where Lana Clarkson
was murdered.
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For a lot of this period,
he's then going out and about.
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You know, he's sort of--
he's seen in restaurants,
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he's talking to friends.
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He actually gives an interview
to Esquire Magazine,
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but barely finds time
to mention the fact
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that he's on a murder charge.
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And as you can well imagine,
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you have Lana's family
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very frustrated, you know.
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His life is still going on,
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and their loved one's life
is over.
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[Alan Jackson] Phil Spector
thought, "If I just throw
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"enough money at this.
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"It's been happening
for 40 years.
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"Celebrities get off
in this town all the time.
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"They'll never convict me.
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"I'm Phil Spector,
for God's sake.
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"I have unlimited resources.
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"I will throw enough lawyers,
I will throw enough experts,
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"that they'll just
get convoluted.
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"They'll get turned
inside and out.
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I'll never get convicted."
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[Beth Karas] Phil Spector
put together a good team.
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Linda Kenney Baden
has expertise in forensics,
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and this is a forensic case.
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It's gonna largely be based
on blood spatter,
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and the wounds,
and the autopsy, and all that.
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The defense position
was that the scene
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and everything was messed up
right from the beginning,
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and that it wasn't
interpreted properly.
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[Linda Kenney Baden]
Our trial team's narrative
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at the trial was that Phillip
was coming down the stairs.
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He had left Miss Clarkson
sitting in the chair,
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he was coming down the stairs
after a certain period of time
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thinking that she would
be leaving, or had gone,
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and that she had the gun
in her mouth,
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and then it went off,
and you know,
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as it went off, he said "No!"
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And that was consistent
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with what we saw
with the forensics,
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which was the one
possible bloodstain
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that was underneath
Phillip's white jacket
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that he was definitely wearing.
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That could only happen
if his arm was up
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at the time of the shooting.
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If Phillip Spector were standing
right in front of her,
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she had the blood spatter
all over her, he did not.
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[Ricardo Enriquez] They showed
the jacket on the screen.
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We can't see the blood.
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And certainly,
if he had done it,
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there would have been
more blood.
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So, that was--
that was troubling.
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There was
a Quentin Tarantino-esque idea
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by-- that was propounded
by the defense,
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that when you walk up and shoot
someone at close range,
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you're just covered in blood.
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You know,
spatter's all over you.
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That's not true.
It's just not the science.
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There's times where you can be
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within three feet,
shoot someone,
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and not get a speck
of blood on you.
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The spatter pattern
on the jacket actually shows
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that he did stand
on top of her,
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and he did put
the gun in her mouth.
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If he's within two feet of her
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at the time that
the shot was fired,
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and his right arm is raised,
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which the bloodstain pattern
evidence established,
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then that's got
his finger on the trigger
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that's got the gun
in his hand.
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Lana Clarkson
was stretched back in the chair.
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The blood spatter stopped
at the hem of her skirt.
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If high-velocity back spatter
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went any further than the hem
of her skirt,
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it would have been
on her thighs,
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on her knees,
and her shoes.
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It wasn't.
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We know where
the pattern ends.
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It ends in two feet.
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That means arm's length.
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Arm's length from
Lana Clarkson.
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Arm's length.
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That's where
Phillip Spector was.
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His conduct was so abusive
and so abhorrent.
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He would put guns
in women's mouths,
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push guns up against
people's heads.
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[Beth] This is a man who didn't
like to take "no" from a woman.
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He wanted control.
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He did not like rejection,
he did not like to be alone.
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He had abandonment issues.
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Maybe it goes back
to his father
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killing himself so young
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and the relationship
he had with his mother.
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[Vikram Jayanti] The children
of deranged parents,
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or alcoholic parents,
or abusive parents,
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frequently turn
into control freaks.
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They want a world where
they have total control
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so they have a world of order.
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And he was a fiend for order.
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He's controlling,
he needs to control.
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And the reason
he needs to control
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is 'cause he's got
insecurity himself.
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[Richard] The officers arrived
within three minutes
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of the call, and they waited
for the assisting units.
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They interviewed Mr. De Souza
at the scene,
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obtained more information.
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They developed a gameplan
to approach the house.
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[gate creaking]
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[Alan] The police had no idea
what they were dealing with.
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They set up to make entry
into the house
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as carefully
as they possibly could.
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It was probably 45 minutes
or so later
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after the 911 call.
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Never once during that time
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did Phil Spector
pick up a phone,
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any of the phones in his house
to call the police.
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He doesn't know
the police are on their way,
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he doesn't know
De Souza has called,
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but he never calls.
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If, in fact, he's the shooter,
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he has time to clean up
some of the scene.
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He had on a white jacket
when he was out that evening.
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When the officers came,
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he no longer had
that white jacket.
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It was found on the floor
of his bedroom, not hung up.
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So, one could infer that
he took it off very quickly
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and just dropped it
to the floor.
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[Alan] To me, it showed
he was in a panic.
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He needed time to think,
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and he needed time
to try to cover up
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this incredibly horrific deed
that he had just done.
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There was a cloth baby diaper
found at the scene,
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in the bathroom that was just
adjacent to that foyer.
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Gun owners often wrap
their guns in cloth diapers
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to keep it lubricated.
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This cloth diaper
had blood.
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It was later determined
to be Lana Clarkson's blood.
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The toilet had blood in it,
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indicating that the diaper
had been used
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to wipe her face,
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and then it was
washed off in the toilet.
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Not the sink.
In the toilet.
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Why would Phil Spector
wash a baby diaper in a toilet
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unless he was trying
to get rid of evidence?
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Was there or was there not
an open toilet
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right next
to the bloody wet rag?
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Yes, sir, but when people
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go to wash their hands,
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they usually wash their hands
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in a sink rather than washing
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in a toilet,
if there's a sink.
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What if they just
killed somebody, Doctor?
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You'd have to be
a master criminal.
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I really don't think
he's a master criminal.
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The prosecution kept saying,
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"Well, she has all this blood
all over her,
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"and he was trying
to clean it up
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and clean it off her."
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But what are you gonna clean up?
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She's full of blood,
the carpet is full of blood.
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There's teeth everywhere.
What are you cleaning up?
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I mean, she's in the house.
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You're not cleaning up
anything.
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[Beth] There's the gun
under her left leg.
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How do you kill yourself
with your right hand,
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and how does the gun
get under your left leg?
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That's not a natural place
where the gun would fall
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if you kill yourself
like that, right?
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He had time to stage
some of the scene.
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When you fire a gun,
there's kickback to it,
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especially if you're--
you end up dead,
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it's your kickback, it hits--
it hits your thumbnail
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and it falls.
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So, you don't know
where that gun fell.
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So, we didn't think the position
of the gun mattered an iota.
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[Richard] If one was shot
in the mouth,
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there's an expectation that
there would be a lot more blood
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on the actual weapon itself.
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There was not,
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indicating someone
had wiped it down.
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That's an impossibility
that she did that.
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He decides in a panic,
"I'm gonna wipe her face off.
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"I'm gonna take the gun,
I'm gonna wipe that off
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"because I had it in my hand.
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"I'm gonna place it
under her leg,
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and then I'm gonna say
that she did it herself."
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[man] Dr. Di Maio,
what was it about the emails
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that suggested to you
that Miss Clarkson
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was the victim
of a self-inflicted wound?
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[Vincent] Well, she had
financial problems.
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She was afraid
of being evicted.
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One note to a doctor,
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she said she was at the end
of her rope
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and couldn't function.
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She also, of course,
had the wrist injuries
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and had been on very heavy doses
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of narcotics
for almost six months.
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There's this evidence
about her depression,
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and she was on antidepressant.
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All the proof
was it's a suicide.
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I think she was a very
troubled woman.
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She was an actress
who's 40 years of age.
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I'm sorry, you know,
that's sex discrimination,
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but that's the way it is.
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[Nili Hudson] I understand
that Phil Spector's attorneys
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had to mount a defense,
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and that the only way
they could defend Phil Spector
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was to put the gun in her hand.
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[Vincent] I'd list
the cause of death
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as an intraoral gunshot wound,
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and the manner of death
is suicide.
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[Nili] The picture
that the defense was painting
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was that she was suicidal,
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which couldn't be further
from the truth.
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Could not be further
from the truth.
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[Rod Lindblom]
We all sat there in disbelief
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when they concocted
this defense
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that she was down on her luck
and suicidal,
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and I mean, it was pretty hard
to sit there
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day in and day out
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and listen to that.
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She had no reason
to kill herself.
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She was busy,
you know, she was working.
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She had just booked an audition
that Friday.
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She told me she was gonna
let go of the job
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at House of Blues
because she was, you know,
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getting busy again.
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She was going to emcee
an event in a few days.
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This is not a woman
who's ready to die.
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[Paul]
You just gotta be reasonable.
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Would someone go
into a stranger's home
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and just kill themself
for no reason?
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I've handled numerous suicides
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and I've never had a woman
shoot herself in the face.
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I'm not saying
it's never happened,
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but I've never handled one
like that.
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[Alan] We were well
into the trial.
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There was another thing
that we knew,
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and that was dealing
with her fingernail.
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It was white.
And it was quite small.
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Just a little white thing
the size of my fingernail.
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[female reporter]
These witnesses claim
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they saw something in the foyer
of Phil Spector's house.
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Prosecutors say it's a critical
piece of evidence
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that could help prove
their case for murder.
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We knew that Lana Clarkson
had acrylic nails.
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She kept them perfectly done
at all times.
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And when she was found
after the shot,
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her right thumbnail
had been badly chipped off.
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There are rules with regard
to what the defense
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can and cannot do
at a crime scene.
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They're allowed equal access.
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That's just basic
due process rights.
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What they can't do
is remove, or manipulate,
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or alter evidence found
at the crime scene.
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Something unusual happened
at this crime scene, however.
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[female reporter] Prosecutors
believe Lana Clarkson's
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broken acrylic fingernail
was recovered
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by Dr. Henry Lee.
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The renowned criminalist
was hired by the defense team
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to examine the shooting scene.
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[Alan] A female lawyer
for the defense testified,
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"I was there,
I was at the crime scene,
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"and I believe Henry Lee
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may have taken something
from the crime scene."
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[Sara Caplan] He picked it up
and put it in a plastic vial.
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And that's the last
I saw of that.
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Because of that revelation,
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we called Henry Lee
to the stand
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in a motion outside
the presence of the jury,
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inquired of him whether or not
that ever happened.
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So, if Miss Caplan testified
that she watched you
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pick a small
white object up with--
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it was flat with uneven edges--
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and drop it into a test tube,
she would be incorrect?
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I think she made
an honest mistake.
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Whatever we found,
I reported.
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Nothing to hide about it.
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[Alan] He said he didn't take
anything from the crime scene,
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and we had no way
of proving otherwise.
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To this day,
I've never seen that nail.
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Dr. Lee, he testifies
that he never put anything
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in a vial, and that
is inconsistent
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with Miss Caplan's testimony.
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And if I have to choose
between the two,
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I'm gonna find
that Miss Caplan
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is more credible
than Dr. Lee.
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[Alan] The lawyer
who watched it,
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she said, "I saw it.
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"I saw that there was
a black mark
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"on one side of it.
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"I asked Henry Lee
what that was,
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and his answer was he believed
it was a strike mark,"
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meaning a lead strike mark.
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The only thing lead in that room
is a bullet,
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meaning the bullet
struck that item.
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[Pat Dixon] We think
it's the victim's fingernail,
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and it has bullet wipe on it,
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and it's because her hand
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was in her mouth
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trying to push the gun away
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when Phil Spector
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pointed the gun in her face,
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in her mouth,
and fired the weapon.
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I've handled numerous suicides
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where people have shot
themselves in the head.
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And I've never seen
a fingernail broke over that.
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So, the fingernail
indicated to me
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that there was a struggle
of some sort
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right there at that time.
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The fact that the bullet wipe
would be on her fingernail
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would show that her hands
and her fingers
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were not on the trigger.
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She did not commit suicide.
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He probably put that gun
to her face.
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She had a wrist injury,
but she tried to fight him off.
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And when doing so,
he either panicked,
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or whatever happened,
and shot her.
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[Vikram] I don't really know
how much Phil felt
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in terms of
other people's sufferings.
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I don't think he had any talent
for empathy.
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But I suspect
the death of Lana Clarkson
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and the trial, it all fit
into his narrative of himself
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as someone sinned against.
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This woman had come
to his house
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and ruined his life.
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00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,750
He genuinely at every point
seemed to believe
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that she killed herself.
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00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:09,051
When you're indicted,
when you're accused,
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you are guilty,
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and that's just
the way it goes.
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Innocent until proven guilty
is the bill of rights.
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It's out the window.
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[Carol Kaye]
After I saw him on trial,
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I just couldn't watch
any of that.
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That wasn't the Phil Spector
I knew.
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00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:30,901
Phillip, what the hell
happened to you?
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00:18:31,568 --> 00:18:33,148
What happened to all the work
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that we did on those
hit records?
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You put us all at risk,
you know, to a certain extent,
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the work that we had put
into those records.
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That was a piece of us
that was on trial too.
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[Phil] I have to admit that
I've been somewhat ostracized
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by the industry
with this indictment.
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Something as heinous
as a murder charge
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is appalling to some people,
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with no foundation whatsoever
to base it upon.
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There's just nothing you can do
about the assumption of guilt
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when you're accused
by an indictment.
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[Vikram] I remember early on
him saying that the judge
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wouldn't let him play
any of his music,
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00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,325
I mean, that they
weren't allowed to talk
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00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:25,079
about his musical career
in the trial,
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'cause it had no bearing
on that night.
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00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:30,035
The trial was going on
all around him,
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00:19:30,085 --> 00:19:31,875
and he was thinking,
"If these guys
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"could just hear this,
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we wouldn't be sitting here
in this courtroom."
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[Beth] The courtroom
was always full,
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primarily full of media,
and you know,
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00:19:47,311 --> 00:19:50,021
some interested members
of the public.
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00:19:50,063 --> 00:19:51,153
But in terms of family,
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00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,610
Lana Clarkson's mother
would be there,
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00:19:53,650 --> 00:19:55,940
and the attorney
representing the family.
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00:19:55,986 --> 00:19:58,276
And on Phil's side,
his wife Rachelle
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00:19:58,322 --> 00:19:59,452
was always there.
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00:19:59,489 --> 00:20:01,279
Rachelle seemed to like
the attention,
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00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:03,735
and was always very, you know,
made up and well-dressed,
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00:20:03,785 --> 00:20:05,535
and you know,
presenting herself.
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00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:10,669
Phillip obviously felt the need
to have somebody around
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00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:13,549
who he thought
believed in him.
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00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:16,167
So, we had to be very careful
with Rachelle.
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00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,465
We're trying to get
the best for Phillip,
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00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:19,838
we're trying to represent him
the best,
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00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:22,255
and we can't have anyone
throw roadblocks our way.
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00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:24,224
But yes, it was a problem.
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-[woman] Get out of the way.
-Excuse me, please.
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Get out of the way.
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00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:28,352
[man] She attended
her husband's trial each day,
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where her advocacy
got people's attention.
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[Judge Fidler] Mrs. Spector,
I want you to hear
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every comment I make.
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00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:36,243
I can assure you,
I will hold you
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00:20:36,276 --> 00:20:38,856
in contempt of court
for violating my order,
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and I will treat it accordingly.
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[Rachelle] And that's okay
for Louis?
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00:20:41,698 --> 00:20:43,408
-Ma'am...
-...and all the other bad people
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-to go out and say stuff...
-Ma'am, you don't...
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00:20:44,993 --> 00:20:46,163
...and be nasty about him?
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00:20:46,203 --> 00:20:48,123
Would you like to remain
in the courtroom?
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00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:52,213
[Nicole] She was definitely
in the limelight.
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00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,591
I suppose that
that was exciting for her,
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00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:57,799
or grati-- I mean, I don't know,
it seemed like she liked it.
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00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,379
His DNA was nowhere
on the weapon,
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00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:02,545
his fingerprints
were not on the weapon.
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00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,184
[Linda] She wanted to be in
on everything,
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00:21:04,221 --> 00:21:06,431
she wanted to judge
every decision.
436
00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:08,643
We co-opted Rachelle
to understand
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00:21:08,684 --> 00:21:10,484
that every decision
we were making for Phillip
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00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:13,769
was a good decision,
and that he was for it,
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00:21:13,814 --> 00:21:15,904
and that we had to be
a team here.
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00:21:15,941 --> 00:21:18,321
There was sort of an air
that he was somehow being
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00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,570
held aloft by Rachelle.
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00:21:20,612 --> 00:21:24,202
I mean, clearly,
she was very protective of him,
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00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:28,331
and this attitude clearly then
came to play
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00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:30,410
later in the courtroom.
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00:21:30,455 --> 00:21:33,325
One of the themes
that the defense embraced
446
00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:36,915
throughout the entirety
of the trial was...
447
00:21:36,962 --> 00:21:41,682
how to denigrate
Lana Clarkson and her memory.
448
00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:43,467
[man] Mr. Terzian,
I'm gonna ask you
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00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:44,930
to watch this, okay?
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00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:46,180
It's a short video.
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00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:47,681
And when we conclude it,
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00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:49,223
I'm gonna ask you
some questions, okay?
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00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,596
-Sure.
-Thank you.
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00:21:50,642 --> 00:21:53,312
[music playing]
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00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,400
[Alan] They decided to argue
for the admission
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00:21:58,442 --> 00:22:00,902
of a sizzle reel that
Lana Clarkson had put together,
457
00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:04,914
"Lana Unleashed," to sort of
showcase her abilities.
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00:22:04,948 --> 00:22:08,658
Hello, and welcome to DA--
Dolls Anonymous.
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00:22:08,702 --> 00:22:12,412
I'm Barbie,
an anatomically incorrect icon.
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00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:15,246
[Alan] She considered herself
much like Lucille Ball
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00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:16,842
in terms of a comedic actress.
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00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:18,547
She was funny,
she was goofy,
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00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:21,257
she liked to be physical
in her comedy.
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00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:23,508
They decided to use it
to embarrass her.
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00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:27,510
[man] After you saw this,
after you looked at this,
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00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:31,144
did you still think that
she was extremely marketable,
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00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:34,903
the Bible,
a real moneymaker?
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00:22:34,936 --> 00:22:36,396
[Nick] Yes.
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00:22:36,438 --> 00:22:39,938
I believe they thought
that it was a valid defense
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00:22:39,983 --> 00:22:43,653
to try to make her
somewhat less worthy.
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00:22:43,695 --> 00:22:48,365
She never performed
in any A-movies, correct?
472
00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:49,278
No.
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00:22:49,326 --> 00:22:50,486
To embarrass her.
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00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:52,405
Any year that you
represented her,
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00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:54,464
did she ever make
a million dollars?
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00:22:54,498 --> 00:22:55,668
[Nick] Not to my recollection.
477
00:22:55,707 --> 00:22:59,837
To decrease her value
as a human being, as a person.
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00:23:01,338 --> 00:23:03,168
Well, well, well.
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00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:04,505
I know you're not stupid, Polly.
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00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:06,929
Phil Spector's wife
was sitting behind him
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00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:09,348
in the audience,
and she made a point,
482
00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,678
as did some of the folks
on the defense team,
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00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:14,393
to snicker and laugh out loud
484
00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:17,564
while this was being played
for the jurors.
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00:23:17,604 --> 00:23:20,324
I sat there seething.
486
00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:24,987
I don't know
that I've ever been as pissed
487
00:23:25,028 --> 00:23:28,318
as I was that day
watching them snicker
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00:23:28,365 --> 00:23:30,775
and make fun
of this beautiful woman
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00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:32,736
who died far too young.
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00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:36,670
[Donna] I just had
to tolerate it.
491
00:23:36,706 --> 00:23:38,576
You know, I had
to just be the mom
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00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:41,125
and be there for her,
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00:23:41,169 --> 00:23:44,879
and try to hold my composure
as best as I could.
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00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,388
[Alan] What that sizzle reel
actually did,
495
00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,678
was it put flesh and bone
onto Lana Clarkson
496
00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:53,722
for those jurors.
497
00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:54,715
Do you have a minute to sit?
498
00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:56,726
I own this place,
they don't care.
499
00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:59,228
-Okay.
-So, how are you?
500
00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:00,561
[scoffs]
Good.
501
00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:02,645
Just trying to do
the dating thing.
502
00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:04,401
[Ricardo] She was doing
a conversation with a guy
503
00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,653
across a table,
and I saw her.
504
00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:14,204
And she was funny,
she was alive,
505
00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:15,954
she was a person.
506
00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:19,615
She wasn't a piece of meat
on an embalming table,
507
00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:22,536
or a disembodied throat,
or a tongue.
508
00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:25,086
Check?
[laughing]
509
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:27,550
For that moment...
510
00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:29,631
[choking up]
I knew Lana.
511
00:24:29,676 --> 00:24:32,006
And I-- and I missed her,
512
00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:36,773
and I grieved for her,
because I got to know her.
513
00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:40,437
And then I got angry
at that motherfucker
514
00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:42,359
for doing this to her.
515
00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:43,767
We went back
into the jury room,
516
00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:47,565
and we're...
we're sitting there sobbing,
517
00:24:47,611 --> 00:24:50,411
because it totally
just brought her to life.
518
00:24:50,447 --> 00:24:53,157
Mwah, ciao, bye-bye.
Yeah.
519
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:59,960
[Beth] Linda Kenney Baden
gave the closing argument
520
00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:01,628
for the defense.
521
00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:03,746
We thought that we had
the better narrative.
522
00:25:03,793 --> 00:25:07,593
We thought we had given
the jurors who were interested
523
00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,721
in actually finding the truth,
524
00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:11,838
or seeking the truth,
as we called it,
525
00:25:11,885 --> 00:25:13,425
we thought we'd given them
526
00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:15,010
the points to argue
in that jury room.
527
00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:18,765
[Beth] And then Alan Jackson
brought it home
528
00:25:18,808 --> 00:25:23,018
with all the final arguments,
and explaining why this guy
529
00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:25,573
absolutely killed Lana Clarkson,
she did not kill herself,
530
00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:27,357
dismantling
the forensic evidence.
531
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,740
I felt like the evidence
was there.
532
00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:32,028
I felt like
we had done our job.
533
00:25:32,906 --> 00:25:36,406
We had provided them
with cogent, coherent,
534
00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:39,791
lucid arguments about why
Phil Spector
535
00:25:39,829 --> 00:25:42,539
was guilty of
second-degree murder,
536
00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,752
why he should be convicted
of second-degree murder.
537
00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:48,133
She didn't kill herself.
He murdered her.
538
00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:50,511
And then it was in
the jurors' hands.
539
00:25:52,842 --> 00:25:54,512
[man] The Phil Spector
murder case
540
00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,263
is now in the hands of jurors.
541
00:25:56,304 --> 00:25:58,604
Jurors have been deadlocked
in their deliberations
542
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,770
since Tuesday,
when they told the judge
543
00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:02,769
they were unable
to reach a verdict.
544
00:26:02,811 --> 00:26:05,691
The defense put together
a scientific case
545
00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:09,070
and really did have
a fair amount of evidence,
546
00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:10,989
believe it or not,
to suggest
547
00:26:11,027 --> 00:26:13,527
that if Phil Spector
had fired the gun,
548
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,912
there should have been
a lot of blood on him
549
00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:18,159
in places that blood
was not found.
550
00:26:18,201 --> 00:26:21,371
The longer the deliberations
went on...
551
00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:23,917
the more concerned you get.
552
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,960
[Alan] And I think
there were people on that jury
553
00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:32,724
who were bound and determined
to come to a verdict.
554
00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,047
I stayed hopeful.
555
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,680
I kept telling Donna,
Lana's mother,
556
00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:40,562
we've done what
we've needed to do.
557
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,059
We've presented this evidence
to a jury.
558
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,020
It's a difficult case,
it's a long case.
559
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,900
But as the--
as the days marched on,
560
00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:51,858
I became more wary
and more concerned.
561
00:26:51,901 --> 00:26:54,201
[Ricardo] It was a Thursday
or a Wednesday, and I said,
562
00:26:54,237 --> 00:26:55,567
let's do this.
563
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:59,994
One by one, we will all
go around the table
564
00:27:00,035 --> 00:27:02,995
defending our decision,
either guilty or not guilty
565
00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:05,748
based on the evidence only.
566
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:07,500
No bullshit.
567
00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:13,634
And that was it.
Just like that.
568
00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:14,973
-[man] Back up, sir, back up.
-[woman] What do you think
569
00:27:15,008 --> 00:27:16,798
the jury's thinking, Phil?
Rachelle?
570
00:27:16,843 --> 00:27:18,973
[man] Spector arrived
for another court session
571
00:27:19,012 --> 00:27:20,972
Wednesday afternoon
in Los Angeles
572
00:27:21,014 --> 00:27:22,524
as jurors were signaling
573
00:27:22,557 --> 00:27:23,807
they had a message
for the judge.
574
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:25,100
[man] This court
is now in session,
575
00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,903
the Honorable Larry Paul Fidler,
judge presiding.
576
00:27:26,936 --> 00:27:29,686
All right, the defendant's
present with his counsel,
577
00:27:29,731 --> 00:27:31,071
the district attorneys
are present,
578
00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:33,937
the jurors
and the alternates are present.
579
00:27:33,985 --> 00:27:35,735
At this time, I will find
that the jury
580
00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,569
is unable to arrive
at a verdict,
581
00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:39,994
and declare a mistrial
in this matter.
582
00:27:42,952 --> 00:27:44,542
All right, I'm gonna ask
that the courtroom
583
00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:45,709
be cleared at this time, please.
584
00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:47,707
Thank you,
ladies and gentlemen.
585
00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:49,039
[woman] And we have some
breaking news
586
00:27:49,084 --> 00:27:50,134
that we want to bring to you.
587
00:27:50,168 --> 00:27:51,998
Jurors in the Phil Spector
murder trial,
588
00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:53,795
they say that they're still
unable to reach
589
00:27:53,838 --> 00:27:55,758
a unanimous verdict,
and now we understand
590
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,589
that the judge has declared
a mistrial.
591
00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:00,135
Ten to two.
592
00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:03,517
Ten for guilty,
two for not guilty.
593
00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:07,062
[Ricardo] What I got
from the jury
594
00:28:07,102 --> 00:28:09,312
was that they wanted
black and white.
595
00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:10,944
There is no black and white.
596
00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:15,190
Unless you were there,
it's gonna be reasonable doubt.
597
00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:16,945
[reporter] So, the jurors
that were holdouts,
598
00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,196
did they actually believe
that it was suicide?
599
00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:21,279
Or were they-- what was
the feeling in the room?
600
00:28:21,324 --> 00:28:24,124
They believed
it could have been suicide,
601
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,910
and there was enough
reasonable doubt.
602
00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:28,294
See, the defense
put enough out there,
603
00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:29,871
and it stuck.
604
00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:32,706
It was something to do
with Adriano, I'm sure.
605
00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:36,212
Maybe he didn't hear
"I think I killed somebody."
606
00:28:36,256 --> 00:28:39,966
Maybe Adriano heard,
"Someone's been killed."
607
00:28:40,009 --> 00:28:43,599
He told me, like,
"I think I killed somebody."
608
00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:47,058
Some people expected more blood.
609
00:28:47,934 --> 00:28:49,644
Some people said,
"Well, you know,
610
00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:50,766
"it was probably her fault,
611
00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:53,112
because what was she
doing there?"
612
00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:55,358
But, the same time, I said
even if you go have sex
613
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,150
with somebody,
and there was a half a bottle
614
00:28:57,193 --> 00:28:59,403
of tequila or whatever,
it doesn't mean
615
00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:02,116
that she deserved to die.
616
00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:09,709
You know, in my opinion,
617
00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:10,918
I mean, he acted
like a guilty man.
618
00:29:10,957 --> 00:29:12,917
You know, he was guilty.
That's how I voted.
619
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:14,879
I can look at myself
in the mirror tomorrow,
620
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:20,049
get up, and sleep, and know
that I did the right thing.
621
00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:21,471
Give us three feet,
give us three feet.
622
00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:23,429
Give us three feet.
Thank you.
623
00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:24,390
Give us three feet.
624
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:25,849
-How are you feeling?
-Give us three feet.
625
00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:29,599
I just dropped my head
and thought...
626
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:33,649
so this is what it feels like?
[chuckles]
627
00:29:33,688 --> 00:29:35,938
This is what it feels like
628
00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:40,032
to fail at that level.
629
00:29:40,069 --> 00:29:42,239
Back up, please.
Back up.
630
00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,278
[Linda] It happened so fast
that I actually said,
631
00:29:45,325 --> 00:29:48,785
okay, I think I'll try to make
a plane flight for that night
632
00:29:48,828 --> 00:29:50,748
because there's nothing left
for me to do here.
633
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:52,039
And that was it.
634
00:29:52,081 --> 00:29:53,711
[Donna] It was difficult
to judge
635
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,000
what the verdict was gonna be.
636
00:29:55,043 --> 00:29:56,713
And then when he wasn't
convicted,
637
00:29:56,753 --> 00:29:58,843
I just, you know,
didn't know what to say.
638
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,010
It was horrible.
639
00:30:00,048 --> 00:30:02,838
It was second
only to her murder.
640
00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:06,184
[woman] After five months,
more than 70 witnesses,
641
00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:09,811
and hundreds of exhibits,
Phil Spector's murder trial
642
00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:11,639
ends in a deadlock.
643
00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:14,484
[cameras clicking]
644
00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,315
Five and a half months
of sitting there
645
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,449
listening to this
day after day
646
00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:27,657
about your daughter,
your sister, is horrific.
647
00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:32,655
Is this really Hollywood?
Did that just happen again?
648
00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:38,668
We were hoping for closure.
649
00:30:38,711 --> 00:30:41,171
We were hoping for, um...
650
00:30:42,131 --> 00:30:43,681
some peace.
651
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,012
And we were denied.
652
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:49,724
This is the video just in
653
00:30:49,764 --> 00:30:51,104
of the Alhambra castle
654
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:53,560
just after the mistrial
was declared.
655
00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:57,561
It is Rachelle and Phil
dancing a bit of a jig.
656
00:30:57,605 --> 00:30:59,895
[Rod] I was at home
and I was watching the news.
657
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:01,731
I see a helicopter shot
658
00:31:01,776 --> 00:31:03,026
of Spector's house,
659
00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:05,069
and his wife and he
660
00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:07,033
are doing a jig,
jumping around,
661
00:31:07,073 --> 00:31:09,783
and just acting like...
662
00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:13,076
Well, I mean,
talk about inappropriate.
663
00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:18,841
[Alan] You know, people talk
about salt in a wound.
664
00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:20,667
I've never wanted to put
a brick through a TV
665
00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:22,592
so bad in my life.
666
00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:27,928
I do remember one thing.
667
00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:31,179
Somebody stuck a microphone
in my face and said,
668
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:34,142
"What are you gonna do now,
Mr. Jackson?
669
00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:36,853
Are you gonna try him again?"
670
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,805
And I don't remember
anything else that I said
671
00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:41,976
other than I looked
right at the reporter
672
00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:45,315
and said, "I will try
this case again
673
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:49,531
every single time
until justice is served."
674
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,963
[Nili] Thank God
for Alan Jackson.
675
00:31:56,998 --> 00:32:01,128
Thank God that he decided,
like a dog with a bone,
676
00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:02,959
that he was not
gonna let it go.
677
00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:05,304
No matter your fame,
or your wealth,
678
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:10,390
or your supposed celebrity,
you will stand trial,
679
00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:13,218
and you will be accountable
for your actions.
680
00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:17,352
Alan came right up to me--
Alan Jackson, the prosecutor--
681
00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:18,603
and said we're gonna retrial.
682
00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:21,555
And he petitioned immediately
for another trial.
683
00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:23,565
[Alan] We had blueprinted
the first case.
684
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:24,978
We knew what the evidence was,
685
00:32:25,026 --> 00:32:27,066
we knew what the fact witnesses
were gonna say,
686
00:32:27,111 --> 00:32:29,071
we knew what
the experts were going to say.
687
00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:31,283
We knew how they had
testified previously.
688
00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:33,084
We didn't do it
much differently.
689
00:32:33,117 --> 00:32:35,367
What was different
was the defense team.
690
00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:37,211
Even if the gun
went in accidentally,
691
00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:38,496
it would go in
with some force.
692
00:32:38,539 --> 00:32:42,129
At the second trial,
he just had one main attorney.
693
00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:44,668
He didn't have all the group
that he had before.
694
00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:46,302
None.
Not a contusion,
695
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,509
not an abrasion, nothing.
696
00:32:47,548 --> 00:32:49,128
[Rod] Phil Spector
prided himself
697
00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:50,965
on, you know,
being that guy,
698
00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:53,600
being the guy that had
all the big attorneys,
699
00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:54,968
all the big experts.
700
00:32:55,014 --> 00:32:57,144
But I think at--
during the second trial,
701
00:32:57,183 --> 00:33:01,353
he didn't quite have that same
legal dream team.
702
00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:04,186
There was a new defense team.
703
00:33:04,232 --> 00:33:07,322
And you know,
I know that Phillip
704
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,530
was so unhappy
with his representation.
705
00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:12,910
I felt very bad that I could not
try the second case.
706
00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:14,529
But I had been so sick,
there was no way
707
00:33:14,575 --> 00:33:17,325
I was gonna do a second trial.
Couldn't do it.
708
00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,207
[Mick]
I think by this point
709
00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:21,958
Phil was seriously
hemorrhaging money.
710
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,840
I mean,
seriously hemorrhaging money.
711
00:33:25,044 --> 00:33:27,054
The second trial was--
712
00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:29,298
it almost passed
as an afterthought.
713
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,510
All the celebrity had drained
out of it.
714
00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:33,011
All the-- kind of
the media interest
715
00:33:33,052 --> 00:33:34,392
had drained out of it.
716
00:33:34,429 --> 00:33:36,929
[Donna] There wasn't
as many people in the audience
717
00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:38,393
trying to get in,
'cause the first trial,
718
00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:42,273
people were in line at the door
with numbers waiting to get in.
719
00:33:42,311 --> 00:33:44,361
Well, it wasn't as much
of a circus.
720
00:33:44,397 --> 00:33:46,067
You know,
it was a little calmer.
721
00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:48,067
Like I said, it was just
the one attorney
722
00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:49,689
and his secretary,
or assistant,
723
00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:53,486
and then a gentleman
that ran his audio-visual.
724
00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:55,581
If Phillip Spector
had shot Lana Clarkson...
725
00:33:55,616 --> 00:33:58,326
[Alan] The defense attorney
who took over the case
726
00:33:58,369 --> 00:34:03,209
was far more sober
about the type of defense
727
00:34:03,249 --> 00:34:04,499
he wanted to put on.
728
00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:07,842
It didn't have
all of the glitz
729
00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:10,209
that the first defense had.
730
00:34:10,256 --> 00:34:13,676
He pared everything down,
and that's why the trial
731
00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:14,888
didn't last nearly as long.
732
00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:16,677
By that point,
that was the second trial,
733
00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:17,931
and I was like, you know,
734
00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:19,682
I had learned to be
really tough
735
00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:22,274
and accept what
they were trying to do,
736
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,600
and not let it turn me
into a weeper,
737
00:34:24,645 --> 00:34:26,805
or a monster, you know.
[chuckles]
738
00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:28,726
Just try to keep my dignity.
739
00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:31,686
I didn't know what to think,
and you know,
740
00:34:31,736 --> 00:34:34,656
I was just, you know,
holding my breath again.
741
00:34:34,697 --> 00:34:37,617
Right at that moment, you see
the driver walk over...
742
00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:41,748
I was trepidatious,
to say the least, obviously,
743
00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:45,628
having gone through the crucible
of a second trial.
744
00:34:45,666 --> 00:34:48,416
We put on as good a case
as we could.
745
00:34:48,461 --> 00:34:50,961
We closed the case out
as strong as we could.
746
00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:54,375
I wasn't trusting
anything to chance.
747
00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,304
[Nili] I was there
for the verdict,
748
00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:02,096
and it was one of those moments
in your life
749
00:35:02,141 --> 00:35:05,231
that you just...
you don't breathe.
750
00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:08,109
[cameras clicking,
photographers shouting]
751
00:35:12,527 --> 00:35:14,607
When I finally got the call,
it was very different
752
00:35:14,654 --> 00:35:16,534
than the last time
I got a call like that.
753
00:35:16,572 --> 00:35:17,912
It wasn't just,
"Show up to court,"
754
00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:21,909
it was, "Alan, get back
to court, they have a verdict."
755
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,004
[man] Remain seated,
come to order, department 106
756
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,379
is now in session,
the Honorable Larry Paul Fidler,
757
00:35:27,416 --> 00:35:28,496
judge presiding.
758
00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:30,043
All right,
in the Spector matter,
759
00:35:30,086 --> 00:35:31,376
he's present with his counsel.
760
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,380
[woman] We, the jury,
in the above entitled action,
761
00:35:33,422 --> 00:35:35,682
find the defendant,
Phillip Spector,
762
00:35:35,716 --> 00:35:38,176
guilty of the crime
of second-degree murder
763
00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:40,219
of Lana Clarkson.
764
00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:41,683
We further find the allegation
765
00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:44,642
that in the commission
of the above offense,
766
00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:46,354
said defendant,
Phillip Spector,
767
00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:47,944
personally used a firearm,
768
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:49,479
to wit: handgun,
within the meaning
769
00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:53,782
of Penal Code Section
12022.5(a)(1) to be true.
770
00:35:58,364 --> 00:36:00,494
Yes, I felt justice.
771
00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:05,538
[Susan Michelson]
I remember...
772
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,580
[chuckles]
feeling ecstatic
773
00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:12,003
that he was going
to finally pay for it,
774
00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:14,764
and be in jail,
and off the street
775
00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:16,967
where he couldn't harm
someone else.
776
00:36:22,597 --> 00:36:24,557
[Kim Gregory] It was relief.
777
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,939
Alan Jackson,
just amazing attorney,
778
00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:30,397
and did so well
779
00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,568
navigating through
two huge trials
780
00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:35,898
to be the first celebrity
that's been
781
00:36:35,943 --> 00:36:38,073
put away in years, you know?
782
00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:46,995
I was actually on the phone
with my mother,
783
00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:48,498
and I turned the TV off,
784
00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:49,999
and I made her tell me
785
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:51,041
what they said.
786
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:55,843
We were both just
complete messes after that.
787
00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:03,434
[Donna] I wasn't sure
how to feel, what to think.
788
00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:06,351
I was still feeling
quite emotional.
789
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,520
I just knew that we had gotten
a guilty verdict,
790
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,599
and it was a good thing,
and that now we could,
791
00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:12,935
you know, move forward.
792
00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:19,276
[Carol Connors] I don't believe
that Phil really believed
793
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,240
that he was ever going
to be convicted.
794
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,492
Phil just couldn't conceive
795
00:37:26,535 --> 00:37:28,325
that here, he'd done so much
796
00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:29,581
and accomplished,
797
00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,462
and was the genius
of rock and roll,
798
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,709
and the Hall of Fame, and Phil--
799
00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:35,921
"And me?
I'm going to go to jail?"
800
00:37:35,962 --> 00:37:39,762
I don't think Phil could
conceive that in his head.
801
00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:43,635
[Judge Fidler] Thank you.
802
00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:45,468
We're here for sentencing.
803
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,273
I've received the following,
804
00:37:47,306 --> 00:37:50,476
the defendant is sentenced
to the term of,
805
00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:54,268
required by law,
of 19 years to life.
806
00:38:03,406 --> 00:38:06,866
[Mick] Was sentenced
to 19 years to life.
807
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:12,330
He was taken to Corcoran Prison
in upstate California.
808
00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:14,923
[fence rattling]
809
00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,169
And that was it.
810
00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:21,972
I think anyone
should be absolutely terrified
811
00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:22,968
if they go to prison.
812
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:26,719
I think a man in his--
what was he, late 60s
813
00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:29,312
who's got mental health
complications
814
00:38:29,348 --> 00:38:32,638
that need
frequent tending to,
815
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:35,685
they should be terrified.
816
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:39,150
Extra terrified, I guess.
And he was.
817
00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:45,073
[Mick] And then these pictures
came out, the prison pictures
818
00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:48,534
of suddenly, shockingly Spector
stripped of his wig
819
00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:51,746
looking like a very,
very old man.
820
00:38:51,787 --> 00:38:54,747
Shrunken, wizened figure,
balding figure
821
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:57,840
with strands of hair,
looking terrible,
822
00:38:57,877 --> 00:39:00,337
and looking pathetic,
and looking like a con,
823
00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:02,169
which is what he was.
824
00:39:02,923 --> 00:39:04,683
[Jeff Barry] It must have been
awfully painful
825
00:39:04,717 --> 00:39:06,337
to him to be in prison
826
00:39:06,385 --> 00:39:08,675
without his hairpiece.
827
00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:14,686
Really feeling, you know,
sorry for him in that--
828
00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:18,807
in what he must have had
to endure, knowing him.
829
00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:20,686
[man] Barred from seeing
her husband in prison
830
00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:23,443
until a classification process
has passed,
831
00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:25,446
Rachelle says Phil
wrote her a letter
832
00:39:25,488 --> 00:39:27,988
describing in detail
the conditions
833
00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:29,582
under which he was being held.
834
00:39:29,617 --> 00:39:32,617
"Rachelle dearest,
it's hell here.
835
00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:36,121
"The first four days
I was on suicide watch
836
00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:38,745
and slept naked on the floor."
837
00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:43,086
I talk to him through
a bulletproof piece of glass
838
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:43,920
on the phone.
839
00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,554
And he's down
to less than 130 pounds,
840
00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:48,552
and he's sitting
in a 5x9 cell
841
00:39:48,594 --> 00:39:50,854
23 1/2 hours a day.
842
00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:52,768
You know,
Rachelle was the person
843
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:57,397
who visited him most,
and she didn't really, um...
844
00:39:58,771 --> 00:40:02,901
I don't think she was a huge fan
of me visiting.
845
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:07,111
That's just my interpretation,
maybe I'm wrong.
846
00:40:07,154 --> 00:40:09,744
It would be good if I'm wrong,
'cause I would, you know,
847
00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:13,202
I would hope that she didn't
have negative feelings about me.
848
00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:16,832
[Rachelle] I mean, I feel
like I'm on a mission
849
00:40:16,872 --> 00:40:18,582
for testing
my husband's innocence,
850
00:40:18,624 --> 00:40:21,004
restoring his name,
honor, legend.
851
00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:23,753
This is far greater
and a bigger challenge
852
00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:24,956
than I ever imagined.
853
00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:26,665
[man] "Showbiz Tonight"
brings you the woman
854
00:40:26,715 --> 00:40:29,255
who has stood right there
by his side
855
00:40:29,301 --> 00:40:31,301
insisting he is innocent.
856
00:40:31,345 --> 00:40:32,635
Thank you so much
for taking some time
857
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,890
-with us, Rachelle.
-Thank you.
858
00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:38,272
It was clear that Rachelle,
who had gone to great pains
859
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,480
to stress her love
for Phil Spector
860
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:42,611
and her continued loyalty
to Phil Spector,
861
00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:45,438
at the same time, she--
you know, she was pursuing
862
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,654
a life of her own,
and this involved
863
00:40:47,695 --> 00:40:50,525
buying a small aircraft
and spending time
864
00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:51,993
on the Adriatic Coast,
and you know,
865
00:40:52,032 --> 00:40:54,912
doing what any young woman
of considerable means,
866
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:58,792
which is what she was,
on Phil Spector's money.
867
00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:00,501
My favorite car to drive
868
00:41:00,541 --> 00:41:02,421
is the one I designed,
my Smart car.
869
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:03,840
[male reporter]
The tricked-out Smart car,
870
00:41:03,878 --> 00:41:07,588
a new home for her mom
back in Beaver Falls.
871
00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:09,841
They did get divorced.
872
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:14,014
I basically divorced her
in that I was my dad's proxy
873
00:41:14,054 --> 00:41:16,564
who divorced her
while he was incarcerated.
874
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:17,929
You know, I don't think
it was one
875
00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:21,685
that she anticipated or wanted.
876
00:41:21,729 --> 00:41:25,819
I have, you know...
877
00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:30,283
I've-- my perspective
maybe isn't the best one
878
00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:34,371
to go with, because you know,
you see dark sides of people.
879
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:40,040
There are periods where my dad
didn't want visitors.
880
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,620
He would just get
real down in the dumps,
881
00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:43,875
and just didn't feel
like dealing with it.
882
00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:48,298
You know, it's quite hard
to be visited in prison.
883
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,759
You have to get strip-searched,
884
00:41:49,798 --> 00:41:51,588
and you're in a crowded room,
885
00:41:51,634 --> 00:41:53,804
it's hot, it's uncomfortable.
886
00:41:53,844 --> 00:41:56,974
It's really laborious.
887
00:41:57,014 --> 00:42:01,944
[Mick] As far as I'm aware,
Spector didn't want visitors
888
00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:05,147
other than his daughter,
his lawyers.
889
00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:06,519
There were no famous friends,
890
00:42:06,565 --> 00:42:09,025
none of the musicians
who worked with him,
891
00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:12,528
none of the people
who'd sat around his table
892
00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:14,871
sharing jokes and listening
to his stories.
893
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,254
[Paul Shaffer] I never
visited him in prison,
894
00:42:20,287 --> 00:42:21,407
although I wanted to.
895
00:42:21,455 --> 00:42:24,375
And I called him and I said
I'd like to visit Phil,
896
00:42:24,416 --> 00:42:26,496
now that he's in prison.
897
00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,254
There's a protocol
you have to go through.
898
00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:32,465
You have to write a letter,
they have to assure the--
899
00:42:32,508 --> 00:42:34,388
whoever runs the prison
900
00:42:34,426 --> 00:42:36,256
that they want the visit.
901
00:42:36,303 --> 00:42:40,103
And word came back from him
that Phil doesn't want a visit.
902
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:43,350
I just thought,
what a horrible...
903
00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:46,395
fate for a legend.
904
00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:48,358
You know, what more
can one say?
905
00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:52,109
I tried to send some letters,
but they wouldn't accept 'em.
906
00:42:52,152 --> 00:42:54,072
So, they'd come back.
907
00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:57,783
I was so sad.
It was so sad.
908
00:43:00,703 --> 00:43:02,873
[Nicole] I will say
he was incredibly strong,
909
00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:06,753
much stronger than we thought
he would be, and resilient.
910
00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:08,882
I think that in some ways
911
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:11,589
he was trying to protect me
a little bit.
912
00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:15,798
I learned that he got COVID,
913
00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:19,053
I wanna say, like,
mid-December?
914
00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:21,216
Early-- maybe a little bit
earlier.
915
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,057
Another inmate called me.
916
00:43:25,102 --> 00:43:27,982
He was like my dad's
unofficial caregiver.
917
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,612
And he called me at night
from the same phone number
918
00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:32,899
my dad used,
a payphone there,
919
00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:36,783
and he said, "They just took
your dad away
920
00:43:36,822 --> 00:43:39,032
"in a-- in a gurney,
921
00:43:39,074 --> 00:43:40,994
and he's having
trouble breathing."
922
00:43:41,035 --> 00:43:45,955
And I was just hysterical,
I was a complete mess.
923
00:43:52,504 --> 00:43:54,844
Ten days go by,
he calls me
924
00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,302
and he's like, "I made it,
I made it through COVID."
925
00:43:57,343 --> 00:44:01,103
He sounded horrible,
but he's, like, telling me
926
00:44:01,138 --> 00:44:04,518
that, like, he's gonna be okay,
he beat it.
927
00:44:06,101 --> 00:44:07,771
You know, I was so happy
to hear from him,
928
00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:09,691
and I was so happy to be able
to tell him how much I loved him
929
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:12,020
and all of that stuff.
930
00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:15,316
But something just told me,
like, this isn't over yet.
931
00:44:17,112 --> 00:44:21,992
And then, on Christmas,
on his birthday,
932
00:44:22,034 --> 00:44:25,254
he called me,
and he was like,
933
00:44:25,287 --> 00:44:27,787
"I'm really, really sick.
I can't breathe."
934
00:44:27,831 --> 00:44:29,791
He couldn't stop coughing
on the phone.
935
00:44:29,833 --> 00:44:32,093
And he made a joke, he was like,
"I just had to tell you
936
00:44:32,127 --> 00:44:34,127
I thought I was gonna die
on my birthday."
937
00:44:34,171 --> 00:44:36,381
And he said it like--
he tried to laugh.
938
00:44:36,423 --> 00:44:40,513
And I tried to laugh too,
but he sounded so horrible.
939
00:44:44,014 --> 00:44:47,644
He, you know,
then he died on the 16th.
940
00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:51,895
And I was with him,
so that's... that's good.
941
00:45:05,285 --> 00:45:07,995
[birds chirping]
942
00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:16,087
I'm often asked if...
justice was served
943
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:19,090
with the verdict
in the Spector case.
944
00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:24,813
He got his day in court,
and he got his just desserts.
945
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:28,387
But can justice
ever quite be served
946
00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:30,064
when Lana is still dead?
947
00:45:34,523 --> 00:45:38,493
I don't think, in a way,
that humanity
948
00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:41,447
has ever been properly restored
in this story, you know.
949
00:45:41,488 --> 00:45:46,698
That she's been forever
the washed-up B-movie actress
950
00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:48,454
who was murdered
by Phil Spector,
951
00:45:48,495 --> 00:45:52,115
you know, and her life
has been-- has been disregarded,
952
00:45:52,166 --> 00:45:55,916
her life has been overlooked,
her life has been...
953
00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:58,711
has been sort of
slightly forgotten about.
954
00:46:03,177 --> 00:46:05,887
I wanted to know
who this woman was,
955
00:46:05,929 --> 00:46:08,269
and I wanted to pay
my respects to her.
956
00:46:10,267 --> 00:46:12,937
And so, I went to Lana's
final resting place,
957
00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:15,438
which is at
the Hollywood Forever Cemetery,
958
00:46:15,481 --> 00:46:19,151
where a lot of old
Hollywood stars are buried.
959
00:46:19,193 --> 00:46:20,693
You know, she lived
in Hollywood,
960
00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:21,896
and she died in Hollywood,
961
00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:25,025
and she always wanted
to be in Hollywood.
962
00:46:25,073 --> 00:46:26,873
So, there's something
very poignant
963
00:46:26,909 --> 00:46:28,449
about her final resting place
964
00:46:28,494 --> 00:46:31,334
in the resting place
of the stars, you know.
965
00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:35,791
And she is there the star
that she always wanted to be.
966
00:46:41,006 --> 00:46:42,716
Sunny!
967
00:46:42,758 --> 00:46:45,008
Hi, sweetheart.
968
00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,222
Hey, darling, how are you?
969
00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:48,431
-Good.
-Nice to see you.
970
00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:50,845
Nice to see you.
971
00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:52,101
Oh, you look gorgeous,
as always.
972
00:46:52,142 --> 00:46:56,102
[Nili] We would always get
together on Lana's birthday,
973
00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:59,226
and almost always get together
974
00:46:59,274 --> 00:47:01,444
on the anniversary
of her passing.
975
00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:04,695
-We miss you, honey.
-Aw, we miss you so much.
976
00:47:04,738 --> 00:47:06,568
-We do.
-And we love you.
977
00:47:06,615 --> 00:47:08,025
We love you too.
978
00:47:09,409 --> 00:47:14,159
There's a core of us
that continually remember...
979
00:47:15,624 --> 00:47:17,674
[choking person]
that wonderful person.
980
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:24,220
Yeah.
[clicks tongue]
981
00:47:24,258 --> 00:47:25,678
Mm.
982
00:47:28,887 --> 00:47:34,057
She made people feel good
in whatever way she could.
983
00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:37,521
And she had an extraordinary
ability to do that.
984
00:47:41,233 --> 00:47:43,783
[choking up]
She's dearly missed.
985
00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:45,529
[exhales sharply]
986
00:47:55,581 --> 00:47:57,081
Sorry.
987
00:48:07,968 --> 00:48:12,928
[Alan] This town
does things to people.
988
00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:14,523
There's the glitz
and the glamor,
989
00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:17,728
and then there's a darker
underbelly of Hollywood.
990
00:48:19,646 --> 00:48:21,106
And that's Phil.
991
00:48:23,817 --> 00:48:26,777
[Carol] Phil was a star maker.
992
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:29,950
People will not go
against that.
993
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:33,990
They want to be
in that sort of realm.
994
00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,576
I doubt very much that
there were people around Phil
995
00:48:36,622 --> 00:48:40,132
who might have steered him
in a different direction
996
00:48:40,167 --> 00:48:43,997
or dissuaded him
from some of his actions.
997
00:48:44,046 --> 00:48:46,966
I don't know who.
Certainly not myself.
998
00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:49,887
The Phil I know, it might have
provoked him even more.
999
00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:53,467
So, I don't think
he could have been deterred.
1000
00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:57,351
When someone is allowed
1001
00:48:57,392 --> 00:49:01,402
or does swing a gun around
that often,
1002
00:49:01,438 --> 00:49:05,728
there's that risk
that something could happen
1003
00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:07,236
and it could go off.
1004
00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,197
It's not inevitable,
but it's predictable
1005
00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:12,908
that there's that possibility
of it happening.
1006
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:14,530
And it should have been stopped.
1007
00:49:14,576 --> 00:49:17,536
But she was alone
in his house with him
1008
00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:20,709
with a driver outside,
where she expected,
1009
00:49:20,749 --> 00:49:22,709
"I'm safe, there's a driver.
1010
00:49:22,751 --> 00:49:27,301
This guy is a small guy
and I'm a big, strong girl."
1011
00:49:29,257 --> 00:49:32,007
She had no reason to anticipate
1012
00:49:32,052 --> 00:49:34,222
that anything untoward
would happen.
1013
00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:37,392
For me, the thing that
I wanna take for a whole life,
1014
00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:39,312
that I could not save her,
you know, I mean,
1015
00:49:39,351 --> 00:49:42,311
if I knew that he--
I'm gonna swear to God,
1016
00:49:42,354 --> 00:49:44,864
I never heard
anything about him,
1017
00:49:44,898 --> 00:49:46,318
this kind of thing happen.
1018
00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:50,648
You know, I tried to think
about something else,
1019
00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:52,816
you know, like, I mean...
1020
00:49:58,954 --> 00:50:00,714
I don't blame myself,
but again,
1021
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:03,827
like, I could save her,
you know, and I didn't.
1022
00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:06,708
He had a whole life
where people couldn't--
1023
00:50:06,753 --> 00:50:07,803
wouldn't say no to him.
1024
00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:09,918
[man] Here is Mr. Phil Spector.
1025
00:50:09,965 --> 00:50:12,335
[applause]
1026
00:50:13,176 --> 00:50:17,926
[Vikram] I think that combined
with his childhood trauma,
1027
00:50:17,973 --> 00:50:20,773
then the success that he had,
1028
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:23,019
too early, really,
to process it,
1029
00:50:23,061 --> 00:50:27,401
you get locked
into a sense of exceptionalism.
1030
00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:30,281
Understand, now Goldwater
had trouble with this too.
1031
00:50:30,318 --> 00:50:34,108
I think the tragedy
for Lana
1032
00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:36,696
was it was a perfect storm.
1033
00:50:36,742 --> 00:50:42,212
She slipped into the path
1034
00:50:42,247 --> 00:50:46,127
of this toxic culture
1035
00:50:46,168 --> 00:50:47,588
that Phil was an avatar of.
1036
00:50:47,627 --> 00:50:54,007
Were it not for timing,
Lana would still be here.
1037
00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:00,223
[Phil]
You know, timing is--
1038
00:51:00,265 --> 00:51:04,895
is the key to everything.
1039
00:51:08,857 --> 00:51:10,897
Call it fate.
1040
00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:14,741
That is the key,
but timing is essential.
1041
00:51:15,572 --> 00:51:18,952
There's an element of luck
in everything,
1042
00:51:18,992 --> 00:51:21,452
in who you are...
1043
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,250
where you are,
what you are.
1044
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:27,420
But I call it timing.
1045
00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:33,296
[Mick]
Will he be remembered for
1046
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:34,630
"You've Lost
That Lovin' Feelin'"
1047
00:51:34,674 --> 00:51:37,844
and "Be My Baby,"
or will he be remembered
1048
00:51:37,886 --> 00:51:40,426
for murdering Lana Clarkson?
1049
00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:49,817
He was brilliant,
and he was...
1050
00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:52,606
he was not what he became.
1051
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:56,449
It's so strange.
1052
00:52:06,915 --> 00:52:10,955
He brought music from heaven
1053
00:52:11,002 --> 00:52:13,092
into our world.
1054
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,550
I think we should
have fun with it.
1055
00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:18,640
I think we should fall in love
to it.
1056
00:52:18,677 --> 00:52:22,307
And I hope
that it will evolve
1057
00:52:22,347 --> 00:52:25,517
into something lighter
1058
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,309
and more magical again.
1059
00:52:28,353 --> 00:52:31,313
All I can say is that,
you know,
1060
00:52:31,356 --> 00:52:33,646
to know him
is to love him.
1061
00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:41,828
[Donna] The music was beautiful.
1062
00:52:41,867 --> 00:52:46,247
But then, personally, he seemed
like he had a lot of troubles.
1063
00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:48,038
He was a very troubled person.
1064
00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:51,041
And it's just really sad
that his troubles
1065
00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:53,384
came in contact with our Lana.
1066
00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:05,019
[Vikram] Should we throw
the song away?
1067
00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:11,185
Can we listen to the song
and not think of the murder?
1068
00:53:19,112 --> 00:53:21,412
I don't have a verdict.
1069
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:25,950
[Mick] Did you worry
that being remembered
1070
00:53:25,994 --> 00:53:30,294
as-- as a kind of eccentric
sort of, you know,
1071
00:53:30,332 --> 00:53:32,502
-the reclusive eccentric...
-[Phil] Maniacal.
1072
00:53:32,542 --> 00:53:34,342
[Mick] Da-dum, da-dum,
maniacal...
1073
00:53:34,377 --> 00:53:37,587
[Phil] Yeah.
That's why I say,
1074
00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:42,511
let-- let history
speak for itself.
1075
00:54:02,781 --> 00:54:06,871
Daydreaming 'bout you
1076
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:10,750
So glad I found you
1077
00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:14,539
I was lost without you
1078
00:54:14,584 --> 00:54:18,674
I'll sing
a little louder
1079
00:54:18,713 --> 00:54:22,593
So glad I found you
1080
00:54:22,634 --> 00:54:26,104
I was lost without you
1081
00:54:26,137 --> 00:54:30,637
I'll sing
a little louder
137964
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