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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,137 --> 00:00:13,847            [Phil Spector]                   If they don't like you,       2 00:00:13,888 --> 00:00:15,308      if you got a tainted past,      3 00:00:15,348 --> 00:00:17,808       if they've got a picture                of you with a gun,          4 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:19,351    if you've done something wrong,  5 00:00:19,394 --> 00:00:21,694             if they   think                you've done something wrong,     6 00:00:21,730 --> 00:00:25,030        and they don't like you               for whatever reason,         7 00:00:25,066 --> 00:00:26,896         they will screw you.         8 00:00:26,943 --> 00:00:29,613        Phil Spector very much                     saw himself             9 00:00:29,654 --> 00:00:32,664              as a victim                    of all kinds of things.       10 00:00:33,575 --> 00:00:36,235    Whether it was from being puny               at high school,           11 00:00:36,286 --> 00:00:39,246             being a Jew,                   not getting a stamp made       12 00:00:39,289 --> 00:00:42,039          with his name on it                when Buddy Holly did...       13 00:00:43,668 --> 00:00:45,918            most of the way                    he viewed the world         14 00:00:45,962 --> 00:00:48,012        was about how unfairly                   he was treated.           15 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:52,178       And his characterization                    of himself              16 00:00:52,218 --> 00:00:56,718      as the victim on that night            was on a par with that.       17 00:00:58,433 --> 00:01:02,983       I think he was terrified            that he'd be found guilty,      18 00:01:03,021 --> 00:01:05,731            and that he...            19 00:01:08,318 --> 00:01:11,398        tried to act just like               he had all the reasons        20 00:01:11,446 --> 00:01:14,066       to think that he wouldn't                be found guilty.           21 00:01:29,172 --> 00:01:32,052             What happens                     when artistic genius         22 00:01:32,092 --> 00:01:34,052      collides with the criminal                 justice system?           23 00:01:34,094 --> 00:01:36,894          [cameras snapping]          24 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,200         Daydreaming 'bout you       25 00:01:54,239 --> 00:01:58,279          So glad I found you        26 00:01:58,326 --> 00:02:01,536         I was lost without you      27 00:02:01,579 --> 00:02:06,079                I'll sing                        a little louder           28 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:09,746          So glad I found you        29 00:02:09,796 --> 00:02:13,466                I was lost                         without you             30 00:02:13,508 --> 00:02:17,798                I'll sing                        a little louder           31 00:02:29,566 --> 00:02:34,816      Phil Spector appeared to be            doing everyday living.        32 00:02:34,863 --> 00:02:36,493        He had gotten married.        33 00:02:41,995 --> 00:02:46,035      [Mick Brown] I guess she's          probably 40 years his junior.    34 00:02:46,082 --> 00:02:47,632  This woman named Rachelle Short.  35 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:51,127        She, too, was a sort of                aspirant musician,          36 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:53,301       aspirant actress, model.       37 00:02:53,339 --> 00:02:56,469         In fact, the wedding                  was in the castle,          38 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:59,469     the place where Lana Clarkson                was murdered.            39 00:03:02,682 --> 00:03:05,142       For a lot of this period,         he's then going out and about.    40 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:08,185       You know, he's sort of--             he's seen in restaurants,      41 00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:09,859       he's talking to friends.       42 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:13,648    He actually gives an interview            to Esquire Magazine,         43 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:16,453         but barely finds time                 to mention the fact         44 00:03:16,487 --> 00:03:18,987     that he's on a murder charge.    45 00:03:20,992 --> 00:03:22,412     And as you can well imagine,     46 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:24,042        you have Lana's family        47 00:03:24,078 --> 00:03:25,618      very frustrated, you know.      48 00:03:25,663 --> 00:03:27,253      His life is still going on,     49 00:03:27,290 --> 00:03:30,590      and their loved one's life                    is over.               50 00:03:33,963 --> 00:03:36,053      [Alan Jackson] Phil Spector           thought, "If I just throw      51 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:37,380        "enough money at this.        52 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:38,755         "It's been happening                     for 40 years.            53 00:03:38,801 --> 00:03:41,301         "Celebrities get off              in this town all the time.      54 00:03:41,346 --> 00:03:43,096      "They'll never convict me.      55 00:03:43,139 --> 00:03:45,309          "I'm Phil Spector,                     for God's sake.           56 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:47,310     "I have unlimited resources.     57 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:50,732     "I will throw enough lawyers,        I will throw enough experts,     58 00:03:50,772 --> 00:03:52,652          "that they'll just                     get convoluted.           59 00:03:52,690 --> 00:03:54,440          "They'll get turned                    inside and out.           60 00:03:54,484 --> 00:03:55,944      I'll never get convicted."      61 00:03:56,945 --> 00:03:58,735       [Beth Karas] Phil Spector            put together a good team.      62 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:02,450          Linda Kenney Baden               has expertise in forensics,     63 00:04:02,492 --> 00:04:03,702     and this is a forensic case.     64 00:04:03,743 --> 00:04:06,583      It's gonna largely be based               on blood spatter,          65 00:04:06,621 --> 00:04:08,921            and the wounds,              and the autopsy, and all that.    66 00:04:11,709 --> 00:04:14,419         The defense position                  was that the scene          67 00:04:14,462 --> 00:04:16,712     and everything was messed up           right from the beginning,      68 00:04:16,756 --> 00:04:19,966          and that it wasn't                  interpreted properly.        69 00:04:22,303 --> 00:04:25,773         [Linda Kenney Baden]              Our trial team's narrative      70 00:04:25,807 --> 00:04:30,267     at the trial was that Phillip         was coming down the stairs.     71 00:04:31,479 --> 00:04:34,069       He had left Miss Clarkson              sitting in the chair,        72 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:37,277     he was coming down the stairs       after a certain period of time    73 00:04:37,318 --> 00:04:40,358        thinking that she would             be leaving, or had gone,       74 00:04:40,405 --> 00:04:44,525       and that she had the gun                   in her mouth,            75 00:04:44,575 --> 00:04:47,405         and then it went off,                    and you know,            76 00:04:47,453 --> 00:04:49,503     as it went off, he said "No!"    77 00:04:49,539 --> 00:04:52,039        And that was consistent       78 00:04:52,083 --> 00:04:53,793           with what we saw                    with the forensics,         79 00:04:53,835 --> 00:04:56,585           which was the one                   possible bloodstain         80 00:04:56,629 --> 00:04:59,469          that was underneath                Phillip's white jacket        81 00:04:59,507 --> 00:05:01,757    that he was definitely wearing.  82 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:04,221        That could only happen                  if his arm was up          83 00:05:04,262 --> 00:05:05,682     at the time of the shooting.     84 00:05:05,722 --> 00:05:09,272  If Phillip Spector were standing         right in front of her,        85 00:05:09,309 --> 00:05:12,939       she had the blood spatter            all over her, he did not.      86 00:05:12,979 --> 00:05:15,899    [Ricardo Enriquez] They showed          the jacket on the screen.      87 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:17,480        We can't see the blood.       88 00:05:17,525 --> 00:05:19,185            And certainly,                     if he had done it,          89 00:05:19,235 --> 00:05:21,105         there would have been                     more blood.             90 00:05:23,239 --> 00:05:26,159            So, that was--                     that was troubling.         91 00:05:32,457 --> 00:05:36,747               There was                 a Quentin Tarantino-esque idea    92 00:05:36,794 --> 00:05:39,804       by-- that was propounded                  by the defense,           93 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,089    that when you walk up and shoot         someone at close range,       94 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:43,383     you're just covered in blood.    95 00:05:43,426 --> 00:05:45,676               You know,                     spatter's all over you.       96 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:49,601           That's not true.                It's just not the science.      97 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,730    There's times where you can be    98 00:05:51,768 --> 00:05:53,348          within three feet,                     shoot someone,            99 00:05:53,394 --> 00:05:54,734          and not get a speck                   of blood on you.           100 00:05:54,771 --> 00:05:57,521          The spatter pattern             on the jacket actually shows     101 00:05:57,565 --> 00:06:00,485           that he did stand                     on top of her,            102 00:06:00,526 --> 00:06:03,236            and he did put                    the gun in her mouth.        103 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,699    If he's within two feet of her    104 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:06,569           at the time that                    the shot was fired,         105 00:06:06,616 --> 00:06:08,446     and his right arm is raised,     106 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:11,293     which the bloodstain pattern             evidence established,        107 00:06:11,329 --> 00:06:14,369            then that's got                 his finger on the trigger      108 00:06:14,415 --> 00:06:16,375          that's got the gun                      in his hand.             109 00:06:18,753 --> 00:06:22,343             Lana Clarkson             was stretched back in the chair.  110 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:26,432       The blood spatter stopped            at the hem of her skirt.       111 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:28,429     If high-velocity back spatter    112 00:06:28,471 --> 00:06:30,601     went any further than the hem                of her skirt,            113 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,520          it would have been                     on her thighs,            114 00:06:32,558 --> 00:06:34,978             on her knees,                       and her shoes.            115 00:06:35,019 --> 00:06:36,439              It wasn't.              116 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:38,229             We know where                      the pattern ends.          117 00:06:38,272 --> 00:06:40,362         It ends in two feet.         118 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,740       That means arm's length.       119 00:06:42,777 --> 00:06:46,067           Arm's length from                     Lana Clarkson.            120 00:06:47,031 --> 00:06:48,951             Arm's length.            121 00:06:48,991 --> 00:06:51,291             That's where                     Phillip Spector was.         122 00:06:54,455 --> 00:06:57,625      His conduct was so abusive                and so abhorrent.          123 00:06:57,667 --> 00:07:00,497           He would put guns                   in women's mouths,          124 00:07:00,545 --> 00:07:03,455         push guns up against                    people's heads.           125 00:07:04,048 --> 00:07:07,218    [Beth] This is a man who didn't     like to take "no" from a woman.  126 00:07:08,553 --> 00:07:10,303          He wanted control.          127 00:07:11,514 --> 00:07:14,644      He did not like rejection,          he did not like to be alone.     128 00:07:14,684 --> 00:07:16,274      He had abandonment issues.      129 00:07:17,854 --> 00:07:20,614          Maybe it goes back                      to his father            130 00:07:20,648 --> 00:07:21,818       killing himself so young       131 00:07:21,858 --> 00:07:24,648         and the relationship                he had with his mother.       132 00:07:25,194 --> 00:07:27,784     [Vikram Jayanti] The children            of deranged parents,         133 00:07:27,822 --> 00:07:30,702         or alcoholic parents,                 or abusive parents,         134 00:07:30,741 --> 00:07:32,831            frequently turn                   into control freaks.         135 00:07:32,869 --> 00:07:35,199        They want a world where              they have total control       136 00:07:35,246 --> 00:07:36,706    so they have a world of order.    137 00:07:36,747 --> 00:07:39,667     And he was a fiend for order.    138 00:07:39,709 --> 00:07:42,839           He's controlling,                  he needs to control.         139 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:44,589            And the reason                     he needs to control         140 00:07:44,630 --> 00:07:47,800          is 'cause he's got                   insecurity himself.         141 00:08:02,565 --> 00:08:04,645    [Richard] The officers arrived            within three minutes         142 00:08:04,692 --> 00:08:08,152     of the call, and they waited           for the assisting units.       143 00:08:08,196 --> 00:08:10,316     They interviewed Mr. De Souza                at the scene,            144 00:08:10,364 --> 00:08:11,954      obtained more information.      145 00:08:11,991 --> 00:08:15,121       They developed a gameplan             to approach the house.        146 00:08:15,161 --> 00:08:17,661            [gate creaking]           147 00:08:17,705 --> 00:08:19,915     [Alan] The police had no idea        what they were dealing with.     148 00:08:19,957 --> 00:08:22,077       They set up to make entry                 into the house            149 00:08:22,126 --> 00:08:23,916             as carefully                    as they possibly could.       150 00:08:23,961 --> 00:08:26,381      It was probably 45 minutes                   or so later             151 00:08:26,422 --> 00:08:27,722          after the 911 call.         152 00:08:27,757 --> 00:08:30,467      Never once during that time     153 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:32,050           did Phil Spector                     pick up a phone,           154 00:08:32,094 --> 00:08:34,894    any of the phones in his house             to call the police.         155 00:08:34,931 --> 00:08:36,431            He doesn't know               the police are on their way,     156 00:08:36,474 --> 00:08:38,354            he doesn't know                   De Souza has called,         157 00:08:38,392 --> 00:08:39,982          but he never calls.         158 00:08:40,853 --> 00:08:43,483    If, in fact, he's the shooter,    159 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:46,073        he has time to clean up                some of the scene.          160 00:08:46,108 --> 00:08:48,738       He had on a white jacket           when he was out that evening.    161 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:50,028        When the officers came,       162 00:08:50,071 --> 00:08:51,701           he no longer had                    that white jacket.          163 00:08:51,739 --> 00:08:55,949       It was found on the floor          of his bedroom, not hung up.     164 00:08:55,993 --> 00:09:00,083       So, one could infer that            he took it off very quickly     165 00:09:00,122 --> 00:09:02,122          and just dropped it                     to the floor.            166 00:09:02,166 --> 00:09:04,746        [Alan] To me, it showed                he was in a panic.          167 00:09:04,794 --> 00:09:06,674       He needed time to think,       168 00:09:06,712 --> 00:09:09,132          and he needed time                   to try to cover up          169 00:09:09,173 --> 00:09:13,053     this incredibly horrific deed           that he had just done.        170 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:16,810     There was a cloth baby diaper             found at the scene,         171 00:09:16,847 --> 00:09:20,637     in the bathroom that was just           adjacent to that foyer.       172 00:09:20,685 --> 00:09:24,765         Gun owners often wrap             their guns in cloth diapers     173 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:26,524        to keep it lubricated.        174 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,936           This cloth diaper                       had blood.              175 00:09:28,985 --> 00:09:31,645        It was later determined           to be Lana Clarkson's blood.     176 00:09:31,696 --> 00:09:35,656      The toilet had blood in it,     177 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:37,830      indicating that the diaper                  had been used            178 00:09:37,868 --> 00:09:39,698           to wipe her face,          179 00:09:39,745 --> 00:09:41,615            and then it was                 washed off in the toilet.      180 00:09:41,664 --> 00:09:43,924             Not the sink.                       In the toilet.            181 00:09:44,834 --> 00:09:50,094        Why would Phil Spector           wash a baby diaper in a toilet    182 00:09:50,131 --> 00:09:52,051         unless he was trying                to get rid of evidence?       183 00:09:52,091 --> 00:09:54,341      Was there or was there not                 an open toilet            184 00:09:54,385 --> 00:09:56,385              right next                     to the bloody wet rag?        185 00:09:56,429 --> 00:09:57,679       Yes, sir, but when people      186 00:09:57,722 --> 00:09:58,892        go to wash their hands,       187 00:09:58,931 --> 00:10:00,351     they usually wash their hands    188 00:10:00,391 --> 00:10:01,561     in a sink rather than washing    189 00:10:01,601 --> 00:10:02,691             in a toilet,                      if there's a sink.          190 00:10:02,727 --> 00:10:04,767           What if they just                killed somebody, Doctor?       191 00:10:04,812 --> 00:10:06,772           You'd have to be                    a master criminal.          192 00:10:06,814 --> 00:10:09,944         I really don't think                he's a master criminal.       193 00:10:12,403 --> 00:10:13,743     The prosecution kept saying,     194 00:10:13,779 --> 00:10:15,779     "Well, she has all this blood                all over her,            195 00:10:15,823 --> 00:10:17,453          "and he was trying                     to clean it up            196 00:10:17,491 --> 00:10:18,701        and clean it off her."        197 00:10:18,743 --> 00:10:20,163  But what are you gonna clean up?  198 00:10:20,202 --> 00:10:23,502         She's full of blood,             the carpet is full of blood.     199 00:10:23,539 --> 00:10:25,829       There's teeth everywhere.            What are you cleaning up?      200 00:10:25,875 --> 00:10:27,625      I mean, she's in the house.     201 00:10:27,668 --> 00:10:29,958        You're not cleaning up                      anything.              202 00:10:30,796 --> 00:10:33,756        [Beth] There's the gun                 under her left leg.         203 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:38,099       How do you kill yourself               with your right hand,        204 00:10:38,137 --> 00:10:40,637         and how does the gun               get under your left leg?       205 00:10:40,681 --> 00:10:43,181      That's not a natural place            where the gun would fall       206 00:10:43,225 --> 00:10:46,055         if you kill yourself                   like that, right?          207 00:10:46,103 --> 00:10:49,983         He had time to stage                  some of the scene.          208 00:10:50,024 --> 00:10:52,694         When you fire a gun,                there's kickback to it,       209 00:10:52,735 --> 00:10:54,945        especially if you're--                  you end up dead,           210 00:10:54,987 --> 00:10:57,907     it's your kickback, it hits--           it hits your thumbnail        211 00:10:57,948 --> 00:10:58,948             and it falls.            212 00:10:58,991 --> 00:11:00,791          So, you don't know                  where that gun fell.         213 00:11:00,826 --> 00:11:05,206  So, we didn't think the position      of the gun mattered an iota.     214 00:11:06,123 --> 00:11:07,963       [Richard] If one was shot                  in the mouth,            215 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,460      there's an expectation that        there would be a lot more blood  216 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:12,253     on the actual weapon itself.     217 00:11:12,296 --> 00:11:13,796            There was not,            218 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:15,839          indicating someone                   had wiped it down.          219 00:11:15,883 --> 00:11:18,643        That's an impossibility                that she did that.          220 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:22,008        He decides in a panic,            "I'm gonna wipe her face off.    221 00:11:22,056 --> 00:11:24,056       "I'm gonna take the gun,              I'm gonna wipe that off       222 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:25,730     "because I had it in my hand.    223 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:28,018          "I'm gonna place it                    under her leg,            224 00:11:28,062 --> 00:11:30,402        and then I'm gonna say              that she did it herself."      225 00:11:35,903 --> 00:11:38,663          [man] Dr. Di Maio,              what was it about the emails     226 00:11:38,698 --> 00:11:40,618         that suggested to you                 that Miss Clarkson          227 00:11:40,658 --> 00:11:43,038            was the victim                 of a self-inflicted wound?      228 00:11:43,077 --> 00:11:46,747        [Vincent] Well, she had                financial problems.         229 00:11:46,789 --> 00:11:49,209            She was afraid                      of being evicted.          230 00:11:50,418 --> 00:11:51,668         One note to a doctor,        231 00:11:51,711 --> 00:11:53,341      she said she was at the end                  of her rope             232 00:11:53,379 --> 00:11:54,669        and couldn't function.        233 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:59,594         She also, of course,                had the wrist injuries        234 00:11:59,635 --> 00:12:01,255  and had been on very heavy doses  235 00:12:01,303 --> 00:12:06,063             of narcotics                    for almost six months.        236 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:08,980         There's this evidence                about her depression,        237 00:12:09,019 --> 00:12:12,769    and she was on antidepressant.    238 00:12:12,815 --> 00:12:16,935             All the proof                     was it's a suicide.         239 00:12:16,986 --> 00:12:21,026        I think she was a very                   troubled woman.           240 00:12:21,073 --> 00:12:25,123          She was an actress                 who's 40 years of age.        241 00:12:25,161 --> 00:12:27,911         I'm sorry, you know,              that's sex discrimination,      242 00:12:27,955 --> 00:12:30,075       but that's the way it is.      243 00:12:30,124 --> 00:12:32,794      [Nili Hudson] I understand          that Phil Spector's attorneys    244 00:12:32,835 --> 00:12:34,795        had to mount a defense,       245 00:12:34,837 --> 00:12:39,217         and that the only way           they could defend Phil Spector    246 00:12:39,258 --> 00:12:42,338    was to put the gun in her hand.  247 00:12:42,386 --> 00:12:45,676          [Vincent] I'd list                   the cause of death          248 00:12:45,723 --> 00:12:49,143    as an intraoral gunshot wound,    249 00:12:49,185 --> 00:12:52,145        and the manner of death                    is suicide.             250 00:12:52,188 --> 00:12:55,778          [Nili] The picture              that the defense was painting    251 00:12:55,816 --> 00:12:57,856      was that she was suicidal,      252 00:12:57,902 --> 00:13:00,612       which couldn't be further                 from the truth.           253 00:13:02,239 --> 00:13:04,159         Could not be further                    from the truth.           254 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,160            [Rod Lindblom]                We all sat there in disbelief    255 00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:08,002          when they concocted                     this defense             256 00:13:08,037 --> 00:13:11,917     that she was down on her luck                and suicidal,            257 00:13:11,957 --> 00:13:14,417    and I mean, it was pretty hard                to sit there             258 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:15,840          day in and day out          259 00:13:15,878 --> 00:13:17,088          and listen to that.         260 00:13:17,129 --> 00:13:19,259           She had no reason                    to kill herself.           261 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:21,258             She was busy,                 you know, she was working.      262 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:23,220    She had just booked an audition              that Friday.             263 00:13:23,260 --> 00:13:25,430       She told me she was gonna                let go of the job          264 00:13:25,471 --> 00:13:27,471           at House of Blues               because she was, you know,      265 00:13:27,515 --> 00:13:28,465          getting busy again.         266 00:13:28,516 --> 00:13:31,436        She was going to emcee               an event in a few days.       267 00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:34,477          This is not a woman                  who's ready to die.         268 00:13:41,779 --> 00:13:43,819                [Paul]                    You just gotta be reasonable.    269 00:13:43,864 --> 00:13:47,914           Would someone go                  into a stranger's home        270 00:13:47,952 --> 00:13:49,952        and just kill themself                   for no reason?            271 00:13:49,995 --> 00:13:52,245    I've handled numerous suicides    272 00:13:52,289 --> 00:13:54,709      and I've never had a woman           shoot herself in the face.      273 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:56,090            I'm not saying                    it's never happened,         274 00:13:56,126 --> 00:13:57,836      but I've never handled one                   like that.              275 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:04,965          [Alan] We were well                    into the trial.           276 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:07,850        There was another thing                   that we knew,            277 00:14:07,888 --> 00:14:11,518         and that was dealing                 with her fingernail.         278 00:14:14,436 --> 00:14:19,066             It was white.                   And it was quite small.       279 00:14:19,108 --> 00:14:23,448       Just a little white thing           the size of my fingernail.      280 00:14:23,487 --> 00:14:24,907           [female reporter]                  These witnesses claim        281 00:14:24,947 --> 00:14:28,157    they saw something in the foyer        of Phil Spector's house.       282 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,870    Prosecutors say it's a critical            piece of evidence          283 00:14:30,911 --> 00:14:33,211         that could help prove               their case for murder.        284 00:14:33,247 --> 00:14:35,827      We knew that Lana Clarkson               had acrylic nails.          285 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:38,955     She kept them perfectly done                 at all times.            286 00:14:39,003 --> 00:14:41,423        And when she was found                   after the shot,           287 00:14:41,463 --> 00:14:45,053          her right thumbnail              had been badly chipped off.     288 00:14:45,092 --> 00:14:48,222      There are rules with regard              to what the defense         289 00:14:48,262 --> 00:14:50,642           can and cannot do                    at a crime scene.          290 00:14:50,681 --> 00:14:52,141     They're allowed equal access.    291 00:14:52,182 --> 00:14:54,522           That's just basic                   due process rights.         292 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,110          What they can't do                is remove, or manipulate,      293 00:14:58,147 --> 00:15:01,147        or alter evidence found                at the crime scene.         294 00:15:01,191 --> 00:15:04,321      Something unusual happened          at this crime scene, however.    295 00:15:04,361 --> 00:15:06,821     [female reporter] Prosecutors           believe Lana Clarkson's       296 00:15:06,864 --> 00:15:09,374       broken acrylic fingernail                  was recovered            297 00:15:09,408 --> 00:15:10,618           by Dr. Henry Lee.          298 00:15:10,659 --> 00:15:13,659       The renowned criminalist           was hired by the defense team    299 00:15:13,704 --> 00:15:15,124    to examine the shooting scene.    300 00:15:15,164 --> 00:15:17,964        [Alan] A female lawyer             for the defense testified,      301 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,590             "I was there,                  I was at the crime scene,      302 00:15:20,628 --> 00:15:22,378       "and I believe Henry Lee       303 00:15:22,421 --> 00:15:24,801       may have taken something              from the crime scene."        304 00:15:25,466 --> 00:15:28,926     [Sara Caplan] He picked it up        and put it in a plastic vial.    305 00:15:29,845 --> 00:15:31,635          And that's the last                    I saw of that.            306 00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:34,482      Because of that revelation,     307 00:15:34,516 --> 00:15:35,936          we called Henry Lee                     to the stand             308 00:15:35,976 --> 00:15:37,646          in a motion outside               the presence of the jury,      309 00:15:37,686 --> 00:15:40,606    inquired of him whether or not             that ever happened.         310 00:15:40,648 --> 00:15:44,318     So, if Miss Caplan testified             that she watched you         311 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,740             pick a small                    white object up with--        312 00:15:46,779 --> 00:15:48,069    it was flat with uneven edges--  313 00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:51,283     and drop it into a test tube,           she would be incorrect?       314 00:15:51,325 --> 00:15:54,115           I think she made                    an honest mistake.          315 00:15:54,161 --> 00:15:57,671          Whatever we found,                       I reported.             316 00:15:57,706 --> 00:15:59,786       Nothing to hide about it.      317 00:15:59,833 --> 00:16:02,173     [Alan] He said he didn't take       anything from the crime scene,    318 00:16:02,211 --> 00:16:04,381           and we had no way                  of proving otherwise.        319 00:16:04,421 --> 00:16:07,511             To this day,                  I've never seen that nail.      320 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:10,089         Dr. Lee, he testifies             that he never put anything      321 00:16:10,135 --> 00:16:13,675          in a vial, and that                    is inconsistent           322 00:16:13,722 --> 00:16:17,022     with Miss Caplan's testimony.    323 00:16:17,059 --> 00:16:18,769        And if I have to choose                 between the two,           324 00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:19,941            I'm gonna find                      that Miss Caplan           325 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,309           is more credible                       than Dr. Lee.            326 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:23,645           [Alan] The lawyer                     who watched it,           327 00:16:23,691 --> 00:16:25,191         she said, "I saw it.         328 00:16:25,234 --> 00:16:26,994         "I saw that there was                    a black mark             329 00:16:27,027 --> 00:16:28,737          "on one side of it.         330 00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:31,239          "I asked Henry Lee                     what that was,            331 00:16:31,281 --> 00:16:34,951    and his answer was he believed           it was a strike mark,"        332 00:16:34,994 --> 00:16:36,454      meaning a lead strike mark.     333 00:16:36,495 --> 00:16:39,415  The only thing lead in that room              is a bullet,             334 00:16:39,456 --> 00:16:41,706          meaning the bullet                    struck that item.          335 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:44,040         [Pat Dixon] We think             it's the victim's fingernail,    336 00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:45,836     and it has bullet wipe on it,    337 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:47,589       and it's because her hand      338 00:16:47,631 --> 00:16:48,921           was in her mouth           339 00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:50,586      trying to push the gun away     340 00:16:50,634 --> 00:16:51,974           when Phil Spector          341 00:16:52,011 --> 00:16:53,931     pointed the gun in her face,     342 00:16:53,971 --> 00:16:55,971             in her mouth,                    and fired the weapon.        343 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:58,225    I've handled numerous suicides    344 00:16:58,267 --> 00:17:01,187        where people have shot               themselves in the head.       345 00:17:01,228 --> 00:17:05,068          And I've never seen             a fingernail broke over that.    346 00:17:05,107 --> 00:17:07,397          So, the fingernail                     indicated to me           347 00:17:07,443 --> 00:17:09,703       that there was a struggle                  of some sort             348 00:17:09,737 --> 00:17:11,317       right there at that time.      349 00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:14,453     The fact that the bullet wipe         would be on her fingernail      350 00:17:14,491 --> 00:17:17,241       would show that her hands                 and her fingers           351 00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:18,786       were not on the trigger.       352 00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:20,249      She did not commit suicide.     353 00:17:20,289 --> 00:17:22,169       He probably put that gun                   to her face.             354 00:17:22,207 --> 00:17:26,627        She had a wrist injury,          but she tried to fight him off.  355 00:17:26,670 --> 00:17:29,470          And when doing so,                   he either panicked,         356 00:17:29,506 --> 00:17:32,506         or whatever happened,                    and shot her.            357 00:17:37,389 --> 00:17:41,599     [Vikram] I don't really know              how much Phil felt          358 00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:43,523              in terms of                  other people's sufferings.      359 00:17:43,562 --> 00:17:46,192    I don't think he had any talent              for empathy.             360 00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:49,491             But I suspect                 the death of Lana Clarkson      361 00:17:49,526 --> 00:17:53,446       and the trial, it all fit          into his narrative of himself    362 00:17:53,489 --> 00:17:55,619      as someone sinned against.      363 00:17:55,657 --> 00:17:58,737          This woman had come                     to his house             364 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:01,036         and ruined his life.         365 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,750      He genuinely at every point               seemed to believe          366 00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:05,711       that she killed herself.       367 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:09,051         When you're indicted,                when you're accused,         368 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:10,588            you are guilty,           369 00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:13,261            and that's just                     the way it goes.           370 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:17,930     Innocent until proven guilty            is the bill of rights.        371 00:18:17,971 --> 00:18:20,351         It's out the window.         372 00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:22,480             [Carol Kaye]                   After I saw him on trial,      373 00:18:22,518 --> 00:18:25,188         I just couldn't watch                    any of that.             374 00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:27,939     That wasn't the Phil Spector                    I knew.               375 00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:30,901        Phillip, what the hell                  happened to you?           376 00:18:31,568 --> 00:18:33,148     What happened to all the work    377 00:18:33,195 --> 00:18:35,315         that we did on those                     hit records?             378 00:18:35,364 --> 00:18:38,414        You put us all at risk,          you know, to a certain extent,    379 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:41,620       the work that we had put                into those records.         380 00:18:41,662 --> 00:18:45,502        That was a piece of us               that was on trial too.        381 00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:50,092      [Phil] I have to admit that         I've been somewhat ostracized    382 00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:53,629            by the industry                   with this indictment.        383 00:18:54,299 --> 00:18:57,219         Something as heinous                  as a murder charge          384 00:18:57,261 --> 00:19:00,761     is appalling to some people,     385 00:19:00,806 --> 00:19:04,766     with no foundation whatsoever              to base it upon.           386 00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:10,360    There's just nothing you can do      about the assumption of guilt    387 00:19:10,399 --> 00:19:12,939          when you're accused                   by an indictment.          388 00:19:15,404 --> 00:19:17,614     [Vikram] I remember early on           him saying that the judge      389 00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:20,026         wouldn't let him play                  any of his music,          390 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,325           I mean, that they                 weren't allowed to talk       391 00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:25,079       about his musical career                   in the trial,            392 00:19:25,122 --> 00:19:27,792       'cause it had no bearing                  on that night.            393 00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:30,035        The trial was going on                   all around him,           394 00:19:30,085 --> 00:19:31,875         and he was thinking,                    "If these guys            395 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,510        "could just hear this,        396 00:19:33,547 --> 00:19:36,127      we wouldn't be sitting here              in this courtroom."         397 00:19:40,762 --> 00:19:43,272         [Beth] The courtroom                   was always full,           398 00:19:43,307 --> 00:19:47,267       primarily full of media,                   and you know,            399 00:19:47,311 --> 00:19:50,021        some interested members                  of the public.            400 00:19:50,063 --> 00:19:51,153        But in terms of family,       401 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:53,610        Lana Clarkson's mother                   would be there,           402 00:19:53,650 --> 00:19:55,940           and the attorney                 representing the family.       403 00:19:55,986 --> 00:19:58,276          And on Phil's side,                   his wife Rachelle          404 00:19:58,322 --> 00:19:59,452           was always there.          405 00:19:59,489 --> 00:20:01,279        Rachelle seemed to like                  the attention,            406 00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:03,735    and was always very, you know,          made up and well-dressed,      407 00:20:03,785 --> 00:20:05,535             and you know,                     presenting herself.         408 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:10,669    Phillip obviously felt the need         to have somebody around       409 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:13,549            who he thought                      believed in him.           410 00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:16,167     So, we had to be very careful               with Rachelle.            411 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,465          We're trying to get                 the best for Phillip,        412 00:20:18,508 --> 00:20:19,838     we're trying to represent him                  the best,              413 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:22,255       and we can't have anyone             throw roadblocks our way.      414 00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:24,224      But yes, it was a problem.      415 00:20:24,264 --> 00:20:25,394     -[woman] Get out of the way.              -Excuse me, please.         416 00:20:25,432 --> 00:20:26,602          Get out of the way.         417 00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:28,352          [man] She attended              her husband's trial each day,    418 00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:31,233          where her advocacy                 got people's attention.       419 00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:32,861     [Judge Fidler] Mrs. Spector,              I want you to hear          420 00:20:32,898 --> 00:20:34,188         every comment I make.        421 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:36,243           I can assure you,                     I will hold you           422 00:20:36,276 --> 00:20:38,856         in contempt of court                for violating my order,       423 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:40,494  and I will treat it accordingly.  424 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:41,660      [Rachelle] And that's okay                   for Louis?              425 00:20:41,698 --> 00:20:43,408               -Ma'am...               -...and all the other bad people  426 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:44,950      -to go out and say stuff...             -Ma'am, you don't...         427 00:20:44,993 --> 00:20:46,163      ...and be nasty about him?      428 00:20:46,203 --> 00:20:48,123       Would you like to remain                 in the courtroom?          429 00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:52,213      [Nicole] She was definitely               in the limelight.          430 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:55,591            I suppose that                 that was exciting for her,      431 00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:57,799  or grati-- I mean, I don't know,      it seemed like she liked it.     432 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,379          His DNA was nowhere                    on the weapon,            433 00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:02,545           his fingerprints                  were not on the weapon.       434 00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,184      [Linda] She wanted to be in                on everything,            435 00:21:04,221 --> 00:21:06,431          she wanted to judge                    every decision.           436 00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:08,643         We co-opted Rachelle                     to understand            437 00:21:08,684 --> 00:21:10,484          that every decision              we were making for Phillip      438 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:13,769         was a good decision,                and that he was for it,       439 00:21:13,814 --> 00:21:15,904         and that we had to be                    a team here.             440 00:21:15,941 --> 00:21:18,321       There was sort of an air             that he was somehow being      441 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,570        held aloft by Rachelle.       442 00:21:20,612 --> 00:21:24,202           I mean, clearly,              she was very protective of him,  443 00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:28,331    and this attitude clearly then                came to play             444 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:30,410        later in the courtroom.       445 00:21:30,455 --> 00:21:33,325           One of the themes                that the defense embraced      446 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:36,915        throughout the entirety                of the trial was...         447 00:21:36,962 --> 00:21:41,682           how to denigrate               Lana Clarkson and her memory.    448 00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:43,467          [man] Mr. Terzian,                    I'm gonna ask you          449 00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:44,930         to watch this, okay?         450 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:46,180          It's a short video.         451 00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:47,681       And when we conclude it,       452 00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:49,223           I'm gonna ask you                  some questions, okay?        453 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,596                -Sure.                             -Thank you.             454 00:21:50,642 --> 00:21:53,312            [music playing]           455 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,400     [Alan] They decided to argue               for the admission          456 00:21:58,442 --> 00:22:00,902         of a sizzle reel that           Lana Clarkson had put together,  457 00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:04,914     "Lana Unleashed," to sort of            showcase her abilities.       458 00:22:04,948 --> 00:22:08,658      Hello, and welcome to DA--                Dolls Anonymous.           459 00:22:08,702 --> 00:22:12,412              I'm Barbie,                an anatomically incorrect icon.  460 00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:15,246     [Alan] She considered herself           much like Lucille Ball        461 00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:16,842    in terms of a comedic actress.    462 00:22:16,877 --> 00:22:18,547            She was funny,                       she was goofy,            463 00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:21,257       she liked to be physical                  in her comedy.            464 00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:23,508        They decided to use it                  to embarrass her.          465 00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:27,510       [man] After you saw this,            after you looked at this,      466 00:22:27,554 --> 00:22:31,144       did you still think that           she was extremely marketable,    467 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:34,903              the Bible,                       a real moneymaker?          468 00:22:34,936 --> 00:22:36,396              [Nick] Yes.             469 00:22:36,438 --> 00:22:39,938        I believe they thought             that it was a valid defense     470 00:22:39,983 --> 00:22:43,653          to try to make her                  somewhat less worthy.        471 00:22:43,695 --> 00:22:48,365          She never performed               in any A-movies, correct?      472 00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:49,278                  No.                 473 00:22:49,326 --> 00:22:50,486           To embarrass her.          474 00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:52,405           Any year that you                    represented her,           475 00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:54,464           did she ever make                   a million dollars?          476 00:22:54,498 --> 00:22:55,668    [Nick] Not to my recollection.    477 00:22:55,707 --> 00:22:59,837         To decrease her value           as a human being, as a person.    478 00:23:01,338 --> 00:23:03,168           Well, well, well.          479 00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:04,505  I know you're not stupid, Polly.  480 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:06,929          Phil Spector's wife                was sitting behind him        481 00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:09,348           in the audience,                   and she made a point,        482 00:23:09,388 --> 00:23:11,678       as did some of the folks               on the defense team,         483 00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:14,393     to snicker and laugh out loud    484 00:23:14,434 --> 00:23:17,564      while this was being played                for the jurors.           485 00:23:17,604 --> 00:23:20,324         I sat there seething.        486 00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:24,987             I don't know                 that I've ever been as pissed    487 00:23:25,028 --> 00:23:28,318           as I was that day                  watching them snicker        488 00:23:28,365 --> 00:23:30,775             and make fun                    of this beautiful woman       489 00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:32,736        who died far too young.       490 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:36,670          [Donna] I just had                     to tolerate it.           491 00:23:36,706 --> 00:23:38,576            You know, I had                    to just be the mom          492 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:41,125         and be there for her,        493 00:23:41,169 --> 00:23:44,879     and try to hold my composure              as best as I could.         494 00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,388     [Alan] What that sizzle reel                 actually did,            495 00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,678       was it put flesh and bone               onto Lana Clarkson          496 00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:53,722           for those jurors.          497 00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:54,715     Do you have a minute to sit?     498 00:23:54,766 --> 00:23:56,726           I own this place,                    they don't care.           499 00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:59,228                -Okay.                          -So, how are you?          500 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:00,561               [scoffs]                               Good.                501 00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:02,645           Just trying to do                    the dating thing.          502 00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:04,401        [Ricardo] She was doing             a conversation with a guy      503 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:06,653            across a table,                      and I saw her.            504 00:24:10,574 --> 00:24:14,204          And she was funny,                     she was alive,            505 00:24:14,244 --> 00:24:15,954           she was a person.          506 00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:19,615      She wasn't a piece of meat             on an embalming table,        507 00:24:19,666 --> 00:24:22,536       or a disembodied throat,                   or a tongue.             508 00:24:22,586 --> 00:24:25,086                Check?                             [laughing]              509 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:27,550          For that moment...          510 00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:29,631             [choking up]                         I knew Lana.             511 00:24:29,676 --> 00:24:32,006       And I-- and I missed her,      512 00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:36,773        and I grieved for her,             because I got to know her.      513 00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:40,437         And then I got angry                 at that motherfucker         514 00:24:40,479 --> 00:24:42,359        for doing this to her.        515 00:24:42,397 --> 00:24:43,767             We went back                      into the jury room,         516 00:24:43,815 --> 00:24:47,565             and we're...                 we're sitting there sobbing,     517 00:24:47,611 --> 00:24:50,411          because it totally                just brought her to life.      518 00:24:50,447 --> 00:24:53,157         Mwah, ciao, bye-bye.                         Yeah.                519 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:59,960       [Beth] Linda Kenney Baden            gave the closing argument      520 00:24:59,998 --> 00:25:01,628           for the defense.           521 00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:03,746        We thought that we had                the better narrative.        522 00:25:03,793 --> 00:25:07,593        We thought we had given          the jurors who were interested    523 00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,721    in actually finding the truth,    524 00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:11,838         or seeking the truth,                  as we called it,           525 00:25:11,885 --> 00:25:13,425      we thought we'd given them      526 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:15,010          the points to argue                  in that jury room.          527 00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:18,765     [Beth] And then Alan Jackson                brought it home           528 00:25:18,808 --> 00:25:23,018     with all the final arguments,         and explaining why this guy     529 00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:25,573  absolutely killed Lana Clarkson,        she did not kill herself,      530 00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:27,357              dismantling                    the forensic evidence.        531 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,740       I felt like the evidence                    was there.              532 00:25:29,778 --> 00:25:32,028              I felt like                     we had done our job.         533 00:25:32,906 --> 00:25:36,406         We had provided them                with cogent, coherent,        534 00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:39,791       lucid arguments about why                  Phil Spector             535 00:25:39,829 --> 00:25:42,539             was guilty of                    second-degree murder,        536 00:25:42,582 --> 00:25:44,752      why he should be convicted            of second-degree murder.       537 00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:48,133       She didn't kill herself.                 He murdered her.           538 00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:50,511          And then it was in                   the jurors' hands.          539 00:25:52,842 --> 00:25:54,512        [man] The Phil Spector                     murder case             540 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,263    is now in the hands of jurors.    541 00:25:56,304 --> 00:25:58,604      Jurors have been deadlocked            in their deliberations        542 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,770            since Tuesday,                  when they told the judge       543 00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:02,769           they were unable                    to reach a verdict.         544 00:26:02,811 --> 00:26:05,691       The defense put together                 a scientific case          545 00:26:05,730 --> 00:26:09,070          and really did have              a fair amount of evidence,      546 00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:10,989          believe it or not,                       to suggest              547 00:26:11,027 --> 00:26:13,527         that if Phil Spector                  had fired the gun,          548 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,912        there should have been                a lot of blood on him        549 00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:18,159         in places that blood                    was not found.            550 00:26:18,201 --> 00:26:21,371     The longer the deliberations                  went on...              551 00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:23,917      the more concerned you get.     552 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,960          [Alan] And I think             there were people on that jury    553 00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:32,724     who were bound and determined            to come to a verdict.        554 00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:35,047           I stayed hopeful.          555 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,680         I kept telling Donna,                   Lana's mother,            556 00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:40,562            we've done what                    we've needed to do.         557 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,059     We've presented this evidence                 to a jury.              558 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,020        It's a difficult case,                  it's a long case.          559 00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,900             But as the--                    as the days marched on,       560 00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:51,858          I became more wary                   and more concerned.         561 00:26:51,901 --> 00:26:54,201      [Ricardo] It was a Thursday          or a Wednesday, and I said,     562 00:26:54,237 --> 00:26:55,567            let's do this.            563 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:59,994        One by one, we will all                go around the table         564 00:27:00,035 --> 00:27:02,995        defending our decision,            either guilty or not guilty     565 00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:05,748      based on the evidence only.     566 00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:07,500             No bullshit.             567 00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:13,634           And that was it.                      Just like that.           568 00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:14,973     -[man] Back up, sir, back up.         -[woman] What do you think      569 00:27:15,008 --> 00:27:16,798      the jury's thinking, Phil?                    Rachelle?              570 00:27:16,843 --> 00:27:18,973         [man] Spector arrived              for another court session      571 00:27:19,012 --> 00:27:20,972          Wednesday afternoon                    in Los Angeles            572 00:27:21,014 --> 00:27:22,524       as jurors were signaling       573 00:27:22,557 --> 00:27:23,807          they had a message                     for the judge.            574 00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:25,100           [man] This court                    is now in session,          575 00:27:25,143 --> 00:27:26,903  the Honorable Larry Paul Fidler,            judge presiding.           576 00:27:26,936 --> 00:27:29,686      All right, the defendant's            present with his counsel,      577 00:27:29,731 --> 00:27:31,071        the district attorneys                    are present,             578 00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:33,937              the jurors                 and the alternates are present.  579 00:27:33,985 --> 00:27:35,735       At this time, I will find                  that the jury            580 00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,569          is unable to arrive                     at a verdict,            581 00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:39,994        and declare a mistrial                   in this matter.           582 00:27:42,952 --> 00:27:44,542       All right, I'm gonna ask                that the courtroom          583 00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:45,709  be cleared at this time, please.  584 00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:47,707              Thank you,                      ladies and gentlemen.        585 00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:49,039       [woman] And we have some                   breaking news            586 00:27:49,084 --> 00:27:50,134     that we want to bring to you.    587 00:27:50,168 --> 00:27:51,998      Jurors in the Phil Spector                  murder trial,            588 00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:53,795      they say that they're still                unable to reach           589 00:27:53,838 --> 00:27:55,758         a unanimous verdict,                 and now we understand        590 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,589      that the judge has declared                  a mistrial.             591 00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:00,135              Ten to two.             592 00:28:00,637 --> 00:28:03,517            Ten for guilty,                    two for not guilty.         593 00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:07,062         [Ricardo] What I got                     from the jury            594 00:28:07,102 --> 00:28:09,312         was that they wanted                   black and white.           595 00:28:09,354 --> 00:28:10,944     There is no black and white.     596 00:28:10,980 --> 00:28:15,190        Unless you were there,           it's gonna be reasonable doubt.  597 00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:16,945       [reporter] So, the jurors               that were holdouts,         598 00:28:16,986 --> 00:28:19,196       did they actually believe              that it was suicide?         599 00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:21,279        Or were they-- what was             the feeling in the room?       600 00:28:21,324 --> 00:28:24,124             They believed                 it could have been suicide,     601 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,910         and there was enough                   reasonable doubt.          602 00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:28,294           See, the defense                   put enough out there,        603 00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:29,871             and it stuck.            604 00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:32,706        It was something to do               with Adriano, I'm sure.       605 00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:36,212         Maybe he didn't hear             "I think I killed somebody."     606 00:28:36,256 --> 00:28:39,966         Maybe Adriano heard,               "Someone's been killed."       607 00:28:40,009 --> 00:28:43,599           He told me, like,              "I think I killed somebody."     608 00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:47,058  Some people expected more blood.  609 00:28:47,934 --> 00:28:49,644           Some people said,                    "Well, you know,           610 00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:50,766      "it was probably her fault,     611 00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:53,112         because what was she                     doing there?"            612 00:28:53,148 --> 00:28:55,358      But, the same time, I said             even if you go have sex       613 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,150            with somebody,                and there was a half a bottle    614 00:28:57,193 --> 00:28:59,403        of tequila or whatever,                  it doesn't mean           615 00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:02,116       that she deserved to die.      616 00:29:08,329 --> 00:29:09,709       You know, in my opinion,       617 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:10,918           I mean, he acted                    like a guilty man.          618 00:29:10,957 --> 00:29:12,917       You know, he was guilty.                That's how I voted.         619 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:14,879         I can look at myself                in the mirror tomorrow,       620 00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:20,049      get up, and sleep, and know          that I did the right thing.     621 00:29:20,091 --> 00:29:21,471          Give us three feet,                  give us three feet.         622 00:29:21,509 --> 00:29:23,429          Give us three feet.                      Thank you.              623 00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:24,390          Give us three feet.         624 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:25,849         -How are you feeling?                -Give us three feet.         625 00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:29,599        I just dropped my head                   and thought...            626 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:33,649    so this is what it feels like?                 [chuckles]              627 00:29:33,688 --> 00:29:35,938      This is what it feels like      628 00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:40,032        to fail at that level.        629 00:29:40,069 --> 00:29:42,239           Back up, please.                         Back up.               630 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:45,278      [Linda] It happened so fast             that I actually said,        631 00:29:45,325 --> 00:29:48,785    okay, I think I'll try to make        a plane flight for that night    632 00:29:48,828 --> 00:29:50,748     because there's nothing left              for me to do here.          633 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:52,039           And that was it.           634 00:29:52,081 --> 00:29:53,711       [Donna] It was difficult                     to judge               635 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,000    what the verdict was gonna be.    636 00:29:55,043 --> 00:29:56,713        And then when he wasn't                    convicted,              637 00:29:56,753 --> 00:29:58,843           I just, you know,                didn't know what to say.       638 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,010           It was horrible.           639 00:30:00,048 --> 00:30:02,838             It was second                     only to her murder.         640 00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:06,184      [woman] After five months,             more than 70 witnesses,       641 00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:09,811       and hundreds of exhibits,           Phil Spector's murder trial     642 00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:11,639          ends in a deadlock.         643 00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:14,484          [cameras clicking]          644 00:30:17,065 --> 00:30:19,315        Five and a half months                  of sitting there           645 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,449           listening to this                      day after day            646 00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:27,657         about your daughter,               your sister, is horrific.      647 00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:32,655       Is this really Hollywood?           Did that just happen again?     648 00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:38,668      We were hoping for closure.     649 00:30:38,711 --> 00:30:41,171       We were hoping for, um...      650 00:30:42,131 --> 00:30:43,681              some peace.             651 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:48,012          And we were denied.         652 00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:49,724       This is the video just in      653 00:30:49,764 --> 00:30:51,104        of the Alhambra castle        654 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:53,560        just after the mistrial                   was declared.            655 00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:57,561        It is Rachelle and Phil              dancing a bit of a jig.       656 00:30:57,605 --> 00:30:59,895          [Rod] I was at home             and I was watching the news.     657 00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:01,731        I see a helicopter shot       658 00:31:01,776 --> 00:31:03,026          of Spector's house,         659 00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:05,069          and his wife and he         660 00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:07,033           are doing a jig,                      jumping around,           661 00:31:07,073 --> 00:31:09,783        and just acting like...       662 00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:13,076             Well, I mean,                  talk about inappropriate.      663 00:31:16,291 --> 00:31:18,841     [Alan] You know, people talk            about salt in a wound.        664 00:31:18,877 --> 00:31:20,667       I've never wanted to put               a brick through a TV         665 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:22,592          so bad in my life.          666 00:31:25,758 --> 00:31:27,928       I do remember one thing.       667 00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:31,179      Somebody stuck a microphone             in my face and said,         668 00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:34,142      "What are you gonna do now,                 Mr. Jackson?             669 00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:36,853     Are you gonna try him again?"    670 00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,805         And I don't remember               anything else that I said      671 00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:41,976          other than I looked                 right at the reporter        672 00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:45,315         and said, "I will try                   this case again           673 00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:49,531           every single time                until justice is served."      674 00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,963           [Nili] Thank God                     for Alan Jackson.          675 00:31:56,998 --> 00:32:01,128      Thank God that he decided,             like a dog with a bone,       676 00:32:01,169 --> 00:32:02,959            that he was not                     gonna let it go.           677 00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:05,304         No matter your fame,                    or your wealth,           678 00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:10,390      or your supposed celebrity,             you will stand trial,        679 00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:13,218      and you will be accountable               for your actions.          680 00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:17,352      Alan came right up to me--         Alan Jackson, the prosecutor--    681 00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:18,603     and said we're gonna retrial.    682 00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:21,555     And he petitioned immediately             for another trial.          683 00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:23,565       [Alan] We had blueprinted                 the first case.           684 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:24,978    We knew what the evidence was,    685 00:32:25,026 --> 00:32:27,066    we knew what the fact witnesses             were gonna say,           686 00:32:27,111 --> 00:32:29,071             we knew what                the experts were going to say.    687 00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:31,283         We knew how they had                 testified previously.        688 00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:33,084            We didn't do it                     much differently.          689 00:32:33,117 --> 00:32:35,367          What was different                  was the defense team.        690 00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:37,211            Even if the gun                   went in accidentally,        691 00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:38,496            it would go in                      with some force.           692 00:32:38,539 --> 00:32:42,129         At the second trial,            he just had one main attorney.    693 00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:44,668     He didn't have all the group              that he had before.         694 00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:46,302                 None.                          Not a contusion,           695 00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,509       not an abrasion, nothing.      696 00:32:47,548 --> 00:32:49,128          [Rod] Phil Spector                     prided himself            697 00:32:49,175 --> 00:32:50,965             on, you know,                       being that guy,           698 00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:53,600        being the guy that had               all the big attorneys,        699 00:32:53,638 --> 00:32:54,968         all the big experts.         700 00:32:55,014 --> 00:32:57,144           But I think at--                 during the second trial,       701 00:32:57,183 --> 00:33:01,353    he didn't quite have that same              legal dream team.          702 00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:04,186     There was a new defense team.    703 00:33:04,232 --> 00:33:07,322             And you know,                     I know that Phillip         704 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,530            was so unhappy                  with his representation.       705 00:33:09,570 --> 00:33:12,910  I felt very bad that I could not          try the second case.         706 00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:14,529        But I had been so sick,                 there was no way           707 00:33:14,575 --> 00:33:17,325    I was gonna do a second trial.               Couldn't do it.           708 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:20,207                [Mick]                        I think by this point        709 00:33:20,248 --> 00:33:21,958          Phil was seriously                   hemorrhaging money.         710 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,840                I mean,                   seriously hemorrhaging money.    711 00:33:25,044 --> 00:33:27,054        The second trial was--        712 00:33:27,088 --> 00:33:29,298           it almost passed                    as an afterthought.         713 00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:31,510     All the celebrity had drained                 out of it.              714 00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:33,011           All the-- kind of                   the media interest          715 00:33:33,052 --> 00:33:34,392        had drained out of it.        716 00:33:34,429 --> 00:33:36,929         [Donna] There wasn't            as many people in the audience    717 00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:38,393           trying to get in,                 'cause the first trial,       718 00:33:38,433 --> 00:33:42,273    people were in line at the door     with numbers waiting to get in.  719 00:33:42,311 --> 00:33:44,361        Well, it wasn't as much                   of a circus.             720 00:33:44,397 --> 00:33:46,067               You know,                     it was a little calmer.       721 00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:48,067       Like I said, it was just                 the one attorney           722 00:33:48,109 --> 00:33:49,689          and his secretary,                      or assistant,            723 00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:53,486         and then a gentleman              that ran his audio-visual.      724 00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:55,581          If Phillip Spector                had shot Lana Clarkson...      725 00:33:55,616 --> 00:33:58,326      [Alan] The defense attorney            who took over the case        726 00:33:58,369 --> 00:34:03,209          was far more sober                about the type of defense      727 00:34:03,249 --> 00:34:04,499         he wanted to put on.         728 00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:07,842            It didn't have                      all of the glitz           729 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:10,209      that the first defense had.     730 00:34:10,256 --> 00:34:13,676       He pared everything down,            and that's why the trial       731 00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:14,888      didn't last nearly as long.     732 00:34:14,927 --> 00:34:16,677            By that point,                 that was the second trial,      733 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:17,931       and I was like, you know,      734 00:34:17,972 --> 00:34:19,682          I had learned to be                     really tough             735 00:34:19,724 --> 00:34:22,274            and accept what                  they were trying to do,       736 00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:24,600        and not let it turn me                   into a weeper,            737 00:34:24,645 --> 00:34:26,805        or a monster, you know.                    [chuckles]              738 00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:28,726     Just try to keep my dignity.     739 00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:31,686     I didn't know what to think,                 and you know,            740 00:34:31,736 --> 00:34:34,656         I was just, you know,              holding my breath again.       741 00:34:34,697 --> 00:34:37,617     Right at that moment, you see           the driver walk over...       742 00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:41,748          I was trepidatious,             to say the least, obviously,     743 00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:45,628  having gone through the crucible           of a second trial.          744 00:34:45,666 --> 00:34:48,416       We put on as good a case                   as we could.             745 00:34:48,461 --> 00:34:50,961        We closed the case out               as strong as we could.        746 00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:54,375           I wasn't trusting                   anything to chance.         747 00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,304          [Nili] I was there                    for the verdict,           748 00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:02,096    and it was one of those moments              in your life             749 00:35:02,141 --> 00:35:05,231           that you just...                    you don't breathe.          750 00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:08,109          [cameras clicking,                 photographers shouting]       751 00:35:12,527 --> 00:35:14,607     When I finally got the call,             it was very different        752 00:35:14,654 --> 00:35:16,534          than the last time                 I got a call like that.       753 00:35:16,572 --> 00:35:17,912            It wasn't just,                    "Show up to court,"         754 00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:21,909        it was, "Alan, get back          to court, they have a verdict."  755 00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:25,004         [man] Remain seated,             come to order, department 106    756 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,379          is now in session,           the Honorable Larry Paul Fidler,  757 00:35:27,416 --> 00:35:28,496           judge presiding.           758 00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:30,043              All right,                     in the Spector matter,        759 00:35:30,086 --> 00:35:31,376    he's present with his counsel.    760 00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,380         [woman] We, the jury,            in the above entitled action,    761 00:35:33,422 --> 00:35:35,682          find the defendant,                   Phillip Spector,           762 00:35:35,716 --> 00:35:38,176          guilty of the crime                of second-degree murder       763 00:35:38,219 --> 00:35:40,219           of Lana Clarkson.          764 00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:41,683    We further find the allegation    765 00:35:41,722 --> 00:35:44,642        that in the commission                of the above offense,        766 00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:46,354            said defendant,                     Phillip Spector,           767 00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:47,944      personally used a firearm,      768 00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:49,479           to wit: handgun,                    within the meaning          769 00:35:49,522 --> 00:35:53,782         of Penal Code Section              12022.5(a)(1) to be true.      770 00:35:58,364 --> 00:36:00,494         Yes, I felt justice.         771 00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:05,538           [Susan Michelson]                      I remember...            772 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,580              [chuckles]                        feeling ecstatic           773 00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:12,003           that he was going                 to finally pay for it,        774 00:36:12,044 --> 00:36:14,764            and be in jail,                    and off the street          775 00:36:14,797 --> 00:36:16,967        where he couldn't harm                    someone else.            776 00:36:22,597 --> 00:36:24,557     [Kim Gregory] It was relief.     777 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,939             Alan Jackson,                   just amazing attorney,        778 00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:30,397            and did so well           779 00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,568          navigating through                     two huge trials           780 00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:35,898       to be the first celebrity                   that's been             781 00:36:35,943 --> 00:36:38,073     put away in years, you know?     782 00:36:44,535 --> 00:36:46,995      I was actually on the phone                with my mother,           783 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:48,498       and I turned the TV off,       784 00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:49,999        and I made her tell me        785 00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:51,041            what they said.           786 00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:55,843           We were both just               complete messes after that.     787 00:36:59,634 --> 00:37:03,434         [Donna] I wasn't sure             how to feel, what to think.     788 00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:06,351          I was still feeling                   quite emotional.           789 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,520    I just knew that we had gotten              a guilty verdict,          790 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,599       and it was a good thing,              and that now we could,        791 00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:12,935        you know, move forward.       792 00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:19,276    [Carol Connors] I don't believe        that Phil really believed      793 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,240        that he was ever going                  to be convicted.           794 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:26,492      Phil just couldn't conceive     795 00:37:26,535 --> 00:37:28,325     that here, he'd done so much     796 00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:29,581           and accomplished,          797 00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:31,462          and was the genius                    of rock and roll,          798 00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,709  and the Hall of Fame, and Phil--  799 00:37:33,751 --> 00:37:35,921               "And me?                     I'm going to go to jail?"      800 00:37:35,962 --> 00:37:39,762       I don't think Phil could            conceive that in his head.      801 00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:43,635       [Judge Fidler] Thank you.      802 00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:45,468      We're here for sentencing.      803 00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,273     I've received the following,     804 00:37:47,306 --> 00:37:50,476      the defendant is sentenced                 to the term of,           805 00:37:50,518 --> 00:37:54,268           required by law,                   of 19 years to life.         806 00:38:03,406 --> 00:38:06,866         [Mick] Was sentenced                 to 19 years to life.         807 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:12,330    He was taken to Corcoran Prison         in upstate California.        808 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:14,923           [fence rattling]           809 00:38:14,959 --> 00:38:17,169           And that was it.           810 00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:21,972            I think anyone               should be absolutely terrified    811 00:38:22,008 --> 00:38:22,968         if they go to prison.        812 00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:26,719        I think a man in his--                what was he, late 60s        813 00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:29,312        who's got mental health                   complications            814 00:38:29,348 --> 00:38:32,638               that need                      frequent tending to,         815 00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:35,685       they should be terrified.      816 00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:39,150       Extra terrified, I guess.                   And he was.             817 00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:45,073    [Mick] And then these pictures        came out, the prison pictures    818 00:38:45,114 --> 00:38:48,534    of suddenly, shockingly Spector           stripped of his wig         819 00:38:48,576 --> 00:38:51,746         looking like a very,                     very old man.            820 00:38:51,787 --> 00:38:54,747       Shrunken, wizened figure,                 balding figure            821 00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:57,840         with strands of hair,                  looking terrible,          822 00:38:57,877 --> 00:39:00,337         and looking pathetic,               and looking like a con,       823 00:39:00,379 --> 00:39:02,169         which is what he was.        824 00:39:02,923 --> 00:39:04,683    [Jeff Barry] It must have been               awfully painful           825 00:39:04,717 --> 00:39:06,337        to him to be in prison        826 00:39:06,385 --> 00:39:08,675        without his hairpiece.        827 00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:14,686       Really feeling, you know,             sorry for him in that--       828 00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:18,807       in what he must have had              to endure, knowing him.       829 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:20,686       [man] Barred from seeing               her husband in prison        830 00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:23,443    until a classification process                 has passed,             831 00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:25,446          Rachelle says Phil                   wrote her a letter          832 00:39:25,488 --> 00:39:27,988         describing in detail                    the conditions            833 00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:29,582    under which he was being held.    834 00:39:29,617 --> 00:39:32,617          "Rachelle dearest,                     it's hell here.           835 00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:36,121         "The first four days                I was on suicide watch        836 00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:38,745    and slept naked on the floor."    837 00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:43,086         I talk to him through            a bulletproof piece of glass     838 00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:43,920             on the phone.            839 00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:46,554             And he's down                  to less than 130 pounds,       840 00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:48,552           and he's sitting                       in a 5x9 cell            841 00:39:48,594 --> 00:39:50,854          23 1/2 hours a day.         842 00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:52,768               You know,                     Rachelle was the person       843 00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:57,397         who visited him most,            and she didn't really, um...     844 00:39:58,771 --> 00:40:02,901  I don't think she was a huge fan             of me visiting.           845 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:07,111    That's just my interpretation,              maybe I'm wrong.           846 00:40:07,154 --> 00:40:09,744    It would be good if I'm wrong,          'cause I would, you know,      847 00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:13,202     I would hope that she didn't      have negative feelings about me.  848 00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:16,832       [Rachelle] I mean, I feel              like I'm on a mission        849 00:40:16,872 --> 00:40:18,582              for testing                    my husband's innocence,       850 00:40:18,624 --> 00:40:21,004          restoring his name,                    honor, legend.            851 00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:23,753          This is far greater                and a bigger challenge        852 00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:24,956         than I ever imagined.        853 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:26,665        [man] "Showbiz Tonight"               brings you the woman         854 00:40:26,715 --> 00:40:29,255       who has stood right there                   by his side             855 00:40:29,301 --> 00:40:31,301       insisting he is innocent.      856 00:40:31,345 --> 00:40:32,635           Thank you so much                  for taking some time         857 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,890          -with us, Rachelle.                      -Thank you.             858 00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:38,272      It was clear that Rachelle,          who had gone to great pains     859 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,480          to stress her love                    for Phil Spector           860 00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:42,611       and her continued loyalty                to Phil Spector,           861 00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:45,438        at the same time, she--            you know, she was pursuing      862 00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:47,654          a life of her own,                    and this involved          863 00:40:47,695 --> 00:40:50,525        buying a small aircraft                 and spending time          864 00:40:50,573 --> 00:40:51,993        on the Adriatic Coast,                    and you know,            865 00:40:52,032 --> 00:40:54,912      doing what any young woman             of considerable means,        866 00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:58,792        which is what she was,              on Phil Spector's money.       867 00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:00,501       My favorite car to drive       868 00:41:00,541 --> 00:41:02,421        is the one I designed,                    my Smart car.            869 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:03,840            [male reporter]                The tricked-out Smart car,      870 00:41:03,878 --> 00:41:07,588        a new home for her mom                back in Beaver Falls.        871 00:41:07,631 --> 00:41:09,841        They did get divorced.        872 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:14,014       I basically divorced her           in that I was my dad's proxy     873 00:41:14,054 --> 00:41:16,564           who divorced her                while he was incarcerated.      874 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:17,929        You know, I don't think                    it was one              875 00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:21,685    that she anticipated or wanted.  876 00:41:21,729 --> 00:41:25,819          I have, you know...         877 00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:30,283         I've-- my perspective              maybe isn't the best one       878 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:34,371     to go with, because you know,        you see dark sides of people.    879 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:40,040    There are periods where my dad            didn't want visitors.        880 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,620           He would just get                 real down in the dumps,       881 00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:43,875         and just didn't feel                 like dealing with it.        882 00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:48,298       You know, it's quite hard            to be visited in prison.       883 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,759    You have to get strip-searched,  884 00:41:49,798 --> 00:41:51,588     and you're in a crowded room,    885 00:41:51,634 --> 00:41:53,804     it's hot, it's uncomfortable.    886 00:41:53,844 --> 00:41:56,974        It's really laborious.        887 00:41:57,014 --> 00:42:01,944      [Mick] As far as I'm aware,         Spector didn't want visitors     888 00:42:01,977 --> 00:42:05,147       other than his daughter,                   his lawyers.             889 00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:06,519     There were no famous friends,    890 00:42:06,565 --> 00:42:09,025         none of the musicians                who worked with him,         891 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:12,528          none of the people               who'd sat around his table      892 00:42:12,571 --> 00:42:14,871      sharing jokes and listening                to his stories.           893 00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:20,254        [Paul Shaffer] I never               visited him in prison,        894 00:42:20,287 --> 00:42:21,407         although I wanted to.        895 00:42:21,455 --> 00:42:24,375      And I called him and I said            I'd like to visit Phil,       896 00:42:24,416 --> 00:42:26,496       now that he's in prison.       897 00:42:26,544 --> 00:42:28,254          There's a protocol                 you have to go through.       898 00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:32,465      You have to write a letter,           they have to assure the--      899 00:42:32,508 --> 00:42:34,388        whoever runs the prison       900 00:42:34,426 --> 00:42:36,256       that they want the visit.      901 00:42:36,303 --> 00:42:40,103      And word came back from him        that Phil doesn't want a visit.  902 00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:43,350            I just thought,                    what a horrible...          903 00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:46,395          fate for a legend.          904 00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:48,358          You know, what more                     can one say?             905 00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:52,109     I tried to send some letters,        but they wouldn't accept 'em.    906 00:42:52,152 --> 00:42:54,072         So, they'd come back.        907 00:42:54,113 --> 00:42:57,783             I was so sad.                       It was so sad.            908 00:43:00,703 --> 00:43:02,873          [Nicole] I will say               he was incredibly strong,      909 00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:06,753     much stronger than we thought         he would be, and resilient.     910 00:43:06,792 --> 00:43:08,882       I think that in some ways      911 00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:11,589      he was trying to protect me                 a little bit.            912 00:43:12,548 --> 00:43:15,798     I learned that he got COVID,     913 00:43:15,843 --> 00:43:19,053          I wanna say, like,                      mid-December?            914 00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:21,216      Early-- maybe a little bit                    earlier.               915 00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,057       Another inmate called me.      916 00:43:25,102 --> 00:43:27,982         He was like my dad's                 unofficial caregiver.        917 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,612       And he called me at night           from the same phone number      918 00:43:30,649 --> 00:43:32,899             my dad used,                       a payphone there,          919 00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:36,783     and he said, "They just took                 your dad away            920 00:43:36,822 --> 00:43:39,032         "in a-- in a gurney,         921 00:43:39,074 --> 00:43:40,994            and he's having                    trouble breathing."         922 00:43:41,035 --> 00:43:45,955      And I was just hysterical,             I was a complete mess.        923 00:43:52,504 --> 00:43:54,844            Ten days go by,                        he calls me             924 00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,302      and he's like, "I made it,            I made it through COVID."      925 00:43:57,343 --> 00:44:01,103         He sounded horrible,              but he's, like, telling me      926 00:44:01,138 --> 00:44:04,518    that, like, he's gonna be okay,               he beat it.             927 00:44:06,101 --> 00:44:07,771       You know, I was so happy                 to hear from him,          928 00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:09,691     and I was so happy to be able     to tell him how much I loved him  929 00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:12,020        and all of that stuff.        930 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:15,316      But something just told me,          like, this isn't over yet.      931 00:44:17,112 --> 00:44:21,992        And then, on Christmas,                 on his birthday,           932 00:44:22,034 --> 00:44:25,254             he called me,                      and he was like,           933 00:44:25,287 --> 00:44:27,787       "I'm really, really sick.                I can't breathe."          934 00:44:27,831 --> 00:44:29,791       He couldn't stop coughing                  on the phone.            935 00:44:29,833 --> 00:44:32,093  And he made a joke, he was like,         "I just had to tell you       936 00:44:32,127 --> 00:44:34,127       I thought I was gonna die                on my birthday."           937 00:44:34,171 --> 00:44:36,381         And he said it like--                 he tried to laugh.          938 00:44:36,423 --> 00:44:40,513       And I tried to laugh too,           but he sounded so horrible.     939 00:44:44,014 --> 00:44:47,644             He, you know,                  then he died on the 16th.      940 00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:51,895          And I was with him,               so that's... that's good.      941 00:45:05,285 --> 00:45:07,995           [birds chirping]           942 00:45:10,207 --> 00:45:16,087         I'm often asked if...                 justice was served          943 00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:19,090           with the verdict                   in the Spector case.         944 00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:24,813       He got his day in court,           and he got his just desserts.    945 00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:28,387            But can justice                   ever quite be served         946 00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:30,064       when Lana is still dead?       947 00:45:34,523 --> 00:45:38,493       I don't think, in a way,                   that humanity            948 00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:41,447    has ever been properly restored        in this story, you know.       949 00:45:41,488 --> 00:45:46,698        That she's been forever           the washed-up B-movie actress    950 00:45:46,744 --> 00:45:48,454           who was murdered                     by Phil Spector,           951 00:45:48,495 --> 00:45:52,115        you know, and her life         has been-- has been disregarded,  952 00:45:52,166 --> 00:45:55,916     her life has been overlooked,            her life has been...         953 00:45:55,961 --> 00:45:58,711           has been sort of                 slightly forgotten about.      954 00:46:03,177 --> 00:46:05,887           I wanted to know                    who this woman was,         955 00:46:05,929 --> 00:46:08,269          and I wanted to pay                  my respects to her.         956 00:46:10,267 --> 00:46:12,937       And so, I went to Lana's               final resting place,         957 00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:15,438              which is at                the Hollywood Forever Cemetery,  958 00:46:15,481 --> 00:46:19,151          where a lot of old               Hollywood stars are buried.     959 00:46:19,193 --> 00:46:20,693          You know, she lived                     in Hollywood,            960 00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:21,896      and she died in Hollywood,      961 00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:25,025         and she always wanted                 to be in Hollywood.         962 00:46:25,073 --> 00:46:26,873         So, there's something                    very poignant            963 00:46:26,909 --> 00:46:28,449     about her final resting place    964 00:46:28,494 --> 00:46:31,334         in the resting place                of the stars, you know.       965 00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:35,791       And she is there the star          that she always wanted to be.    966 00:46:41,006 --> 00:46:42,716                Sunny!                967 00:46:42,758 --> 00:46:45,008            Hi, sweetheart.           968 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,222      Hey, darling, how are you?      969 00:46:46,261 --> 00:46:48,431                -Good.                          -Nice to see you.          970 00:46:49,765 --> 00:46:50,845           Nice to see you.           971 00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:52,101        Oh, you look gorgeous,                     as always.              972 00:46:52,142 --> 00:46:56,102      [Nili] We would always get          together on Lana's birthday,     973 00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:59,226    and almost always get together    974 00:46:59,274 --> 00:47:01,444          on the anniversary                     of her passing.           975 00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:04,695         -We miss you, honey.               -Aw, we miss you so much.      976 00:47:04,738 --> 00:47:06,568                -We do.                         -And we love you.          977 00:47:06,615 --> 00:47:08,025           We love you too.           978 00:47:09,409 --> 00:47:14,159         There's a core of us             that continually remember...     979 00:47:15,624 --> 00:47:17,674           [choking person]                  that wonderful person.        980 00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:24,220                 Yeah.                           [clicks tongue]           981 00:47:24,258 --> 00:47:25,678                  Mm.                 982 00:47:28,887 --> 00:47:34,057       She made people feel good           in whatever way she could.      983 00:47:34,101 --> 00:47:37,521     And she had an extraordinary              ability to do that.         984 00:47:41,233 --> 00:47:43,783             [choking up]                     She's dearly missed.         985 00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:45,529           [exhales sharply]          986 00:47:55,581 --> 00:47:57,081                Sorry.                987 00:48:07,968 --> 00:48:12,928           [Alan] This town                  does things to people.        988 00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:14,523           There's the glitz                     and the glamor,           989 00:48:14,558 --> 00:48:17,728       and then there's a darker            underbelly of Hollywood.       990 00:48:19,646 --> 00:48:21,106           And that's Phil.           991 00:48:23,817 --> 00:48:26,777    [Carol] Phil was a star maker.    992 00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:29,950          People will not go                      against that.            993 00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:33,990            They want to be                  in that sort of realm.        994 00:48:34,036 --> 00:48:36,576        I doubt very much that            there were people around Phil    995 00:48:36,622 --> 00:48:40,132      who might have steered him            in a different direction       996 00:48:40,167 --> 00:48:43,997           or dissuaded him                 from some of his actions.      997 00:48:44,046 --> 00:48:46,966           I don't know who.                  Certainly not myself.        998 00:48:47,007 --> 00:48:49,887    The Phil I know, it might have           provoked him even more.       999 00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:53,467           So, I don't think              he could have been deterred.     1000 00:48:54,681 --> 00:48:57,351        When someone is allowed       1001 00:48:57,392 --> 00:49:01,402      or does swing a gun around                   that often,             1002 00:49:01,438 --> 00:49:05,728           there's that risk               that something could happen     1003 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:07,236         and it could go off.         1004 00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,197         It's not inevitable,                 but it's predictable         1005 00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:12,908     that there's that possibility              of it happening.           1006 00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:14,530  And it should have been stopped.  1007 00:49:14,576 --> 00:49:17,536           But she was alone                  in his house with him        1008 00:49:17,579 --> 00:49:20,709        with a driver outside,                 where she expected,         1009 00:49:20,749 --> 00:49:22,709     "I'm safe, there's a driver.     1010 00:49:22,751 --> 00:49:27,301        This guy is a small guy           and I'm a big, strong girl."     1011 00:49:29,257 --> 00:49:32,007    She had no reason to anticipate  1012 00:49:32,052 --> 00:49:34,222        that anything untoward                    would happen.            1013 00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:37,392        For me, the thing that           I wanna take for a whole life,    1014 00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:39,312      that I could not save her,                you know, I mean,          1015 00:49:39,351 --> 00:49:42,311          if I knew that he--                I'm gonna swear to God,       1016 00:49:42,354 --> 00:49:44,864             I never heard                     anything about him,         1017 00:49:44,898 --> 00:49:46,318      this kind of thing happen.      1018 00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:50,648      You know, I tried to think              about something else,        1019 00:49:50,696 --> 00:49:52,816       you know, like, I mean...      1020 00:49:58,954 --> 00:50:00,714         I don't blame myself,                     but again,              1021 00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:03,827        like, I could save her,              you know, and I didn't.       1022 00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:06,708          He had a whole life                where people couldn't--       1023 00:50:06,753 --> 00:50:07,803        wouldn't say no to him.       1024 00:50:07,838 --> 00:50:09,918    [man] Here is Mr. Phil Spector.  1025 00:50:09,965 --> 00:50:12,335              [applause]              1026 00:50:13,176 --> 00:50:17,926    [Vikram] I think that combined         with his childhood trauma,      1027 00:50:17,973 --> 00:50:20,773     then the success that he had,    1028 00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:23,019          too early, really,                     to process it,            1029 00:50:23,061 --> 00:50:27,401            you get locked               into a sense of exceptionalism.  1030 00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:30,281       Understand, now Goldwater           had trouble with this too.      1031 00:50:30,318 --> 00:50:34,108          I think the tragedy                       for Lana               1032 00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:36,696      was it was a perfect storm.     1033 00:50:36,742 --> 00:50:42,212       She slipped into the path      1034 00:50:42,247 --> 00:50:46,127         of this toxic culture        1035 00:50:46,168 --> 00:50:47,588      that Phil was an avatar of.     1036 00:50:47,627 --> 00:50:54,007        Were it not for timing,             Lana would still be here.      1037 00:50:58,263 --> 00:51:00,223                [Phil]                        You know, timing is--        1038 00:51:00,265 --> 00:51:04,895       is the key to everything.      1039 00:51:08,857 --> 00:51:10,897             Call it fate.            1040 00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:14,741           That is the key,                 but timing is essential.       1041 00:51:15,572 --> 00:51:18,952      There's an element of luck                 in everything,            1042 00:51:18,992 --> 00:51:21,452           in who you are...          1043 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,250            where you are,                        what you are.            1044 00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:27,420         But I call it timing.        1045 00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:33,296                [Mick]                      Will he be remembered for      1046 00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:34,630             "You've Lost                     That Lovin' Feelin'"         1047 00:51:34,674 --> 00:51:37,844           and "Be My Baby,"                or will he be remembered       1048 00:51:37,886 --> 00:51:40,426     for murdering Lana Clarkson?     1049 00:51:46,937 --> 00:51:49,817           He was brilliant,                      and he was...            1050 00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:52,606      he was not what he became.      1051 00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:56,449           It's so strange.           1052 00:52:06,915 --> 00:52:10,955     He brought music from heaven     1053 00:52:11,002 --> 00:52:13,092            into our world.           1054 00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:15,550           I think we should                    have fun with it.          1055 00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:18,640    I think we should fall in love                   to it.                1056 00:52:18,677 --> 00:52:22,307              And I hope                       that it will evolve         1057 00:52:22,347 --> 00:52:25,517        into something lighter        1058 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,309        and more magical again.       1059 00:52:28,353 --> 00:52:31,313        All I can say is that,                      you know,              1060 00:52:31,356 --> 00:52:33,646              to know him                        is to love him.           1061 00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:41,828  [Donna] The music was beautiful.  1062 00:52:41,867 --> 00:52:46,247    But then, personally, he seemed     like he had a lot of troubles.    1063 00:52:46,288 --> 00:52:48,038    He was a very troubled person.    1064 00:52:48,081 --> 00:52:51,041       And it's just really sad                 that his troubles          1065 00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:53,384    came in contact with our Lana.    1066 00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:05,019       [Vikram] Should we throw                  the song away?            1067 00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:11,185       Can we listen to the song          and not think of the murder?     1068 00:53:19,112 --> 00:53:21,412        I don't have a verdict.       1069 00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:25,950         [Mick]   Did you worry                  that being remembered        1070 00:53:25,994 --> 00:53:30,294       as-- as a kind of eccentric                sort of, you know,         1071 00:53:30,332 --> 00:53:32,502       -the reclusive eccentric...               -[Phil]   Maniacal.          1072 00:53:32,542 --> 00:53:34,342        [Mick]   Da-dum, da-dum,                      maniacal...             1073 00:53:34,377 --> 00:53:37,587             [Phil]   Yeah.                        That's why I say,          1074 00:53:37,631 --> 00:53:42,511            let-- let history                     speak for itself.          1075 00:54:02,781 --> 00:54:06,871         Daydreaming 'bout you       1076 00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:10,750          So glad I found you        1077 00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:14,539         I was lost without you      1078 00:54:14,584 --> 00:54:18,674                I'll sing                        a little louder           1079 00:54:18,713 --> 00:54:22,593          So glad I found you        1080 00:54:22,634 --> 00:54:26,104         I was lost without you      1081 00:54:26,137 --> 00:54:30,637                I'll sing                        a little louder           137964

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