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to filmmakers
coming into his house.
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Until Mick Brown,
he'd avoided interviews
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for about 30 years.
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You okay for water?
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But I sent him a note,
just half a page letter.
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And that night, amazingly,
I got back an email from him
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saying, "You sound like
an honest person.
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Come over to the castle."
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Okay, are you ready?
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And I had a very friendly
conversation with Phil.
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He certainly believed
anything he said
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as he said it was true.
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I can go through
the jury trial
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without any problem whatsoever.
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The only thing that concerns me
about the jury trial
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and getting through it
is the verdict.
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Everything about the jury trial
doesn't concern me at all.
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I could get through it
like a breeze.
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It's the verdict
that concerns me.
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We have a jury questionnaire
that they filled out,
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and 45% of 'em wrote down
they believed I was guilty.
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And 20% of 'em
wrote down I was insane.
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I just hope we have
a bunch of jurors
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that listen to the ev--
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we haven't told our story
in four years.
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We have a very interesting,
abrupt,
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honest, accurate story to tell
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that proves beyond
any question reasonable,
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possibility of a doubt,
that it is impossible
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for me to have been near
the deceased when she died.
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[gunshot]
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[music]
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Daydreaming 'bout you
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So glad I found you
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I was lost without you
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I'll sing
a little louder
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So glad I found you
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I was lost
without you
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I'll sing
a little louder
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[Alan Jackson] When you walk
into a courtroom,
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you never know what you're gonna
get in terms of a jury.
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You don't know the person
who's going to be with you
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for the next several months,
or in some cases,
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next several years.
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When we prosecuted
Phil Spector,
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we were hamstrung
with the idea that Phil Spector
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had written the soundtrack
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to many of the jurors'
young lives.
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There were very few people
of age to be on a jury
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who didn't know who he was
or didn't know his music well.
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You can forget a person.
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You never forget a song
if it speaks to you,
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if it touches you.
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His music and his genius
had a way
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of infecting and infiltrating
sort of every fabric
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of a lot of those jurors' lives.
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And that was one
of the real challenges.
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We were looking for jurors
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who were unaffected
by his celebrity
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who would literally sit
in judgment of the facts.
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MAN: And mark.
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My name's Ricardo Enriquez.
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I was a juror.
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I was actually juror
number nine.
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I had never heard
of Phil Spector.
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Matter of fact, I never
understood the deal with music.
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So, when I heard
that he was a music producer,
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I said, oh, well,
never heard of him.
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But he was obviously
the big deal,
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and there was all these
news people all over the place,
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like a parade of cameras.
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Joining us now outside
the Los Angeles courthouse live
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is Court TV's Beth Karas,
who's covering this case.
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[Beth Harris] I covered
Phil Spector's trial
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in 2007
as a reporter for Court TV.
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What happens when a celebrity
has to trade a seat like this
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for one in the courtroom?
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There's no question
that a celebrity defendant
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increases the pressure
on the prosecution.
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And in Los Angeles,
with the acquittals
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of OJ and Robert Blake
for murder,
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they had to prove
that celebrities
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were not gonna get away
with murder.
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It was a big story
in Los Angeles.
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It was televised daily.
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-Phil Spector murder trial...
-Phil Spector murder trial...
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Suspicion of murder.
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There's an air of danger
around Phil Spector.
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[man] A man with
a violent history.
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[Nicole Spector] The way that
the media was portraying him
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was someone who had this,
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you know, reputation.
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Phil Spector could never
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have done this.
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He could never stand up
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and shoot a girl
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in the mouth with a gun.
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Where's my history of this?
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How come for the last 40 years
you've never heard stories
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about me pointing a gun
in women's mouths,
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blowing their heads open,
and shooting women?
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He seemed
more internally distraught
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knowing that there was this
public perception of him
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that wasn't true.
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That wasn't really who he was,
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especially not when
I was growing up.
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My parents met in, I think
it was the end of '64.
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My father was seeing
Ronnie Spector at the time.
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My mom was still in high school
and was a shopgirl
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on the Sunset Strip.
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My dad was shopping there,
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and he was sort of
dancing around, being funny,
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and my mom thought like,
"Who is this little man?"
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He was asking her what
her favorite records were,
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and she cited "Da Doo Ron Ron,"
and she had no idea who he was.
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They were just sort of
a couple of kids
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who found each other
and formed a great friendship,
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and later a romantic
relationship.
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With the record career now over,
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he sold the house
in Beverly Hills
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and he cut himself off
from a lot of his old friends,
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from a lot of his old
rock and roll life,
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and relocated to Pasadena
and had children with Janis.
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Growing up, it was just me,
my mother and my dad,
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and my twin brother Phillip.
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My dad was super funny,
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incredibly generous.
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He was super, super smart.
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The greatest mind
I've ever known.
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He always challenged me
intellectually,
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always spoke to me as an equal.
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We were very much a family unit
who lived together
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and were really cohesive.
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I think he was devoted
to these children,
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loved these children.
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I think Janis
was a fantastic
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stabilizing influence
on his life.
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He was somebody
who was really coming to terms
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with his mental illness,
which is what I think it was,
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and it had been for many,
many years.
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He was definitely sort of trying
to divorce himself
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from that chaotic past,
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and to try
and find some stability,
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and to find some sort
of sanctuary
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and some semblance
of normal family life.
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And then, tragedy intervenes.
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[Phil] Nicole is a twin,
and her brother died
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at 10 years old.
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And... and it's been hard.
It's been really hard.
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[Mick] Phillip, his son,
dies from leukemia,
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and that just pushes Phil
completely over the edge.
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He just couldn't handle it,
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and he really alienated himself
and sort of shut down.
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[Phil] Nicole and I
went through a lot.
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She lost a twin
and I lost a son.
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You know,
when you're a twin,
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you're kind of like, you know,
always looked at as a unit.
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You're not really looked at
as individuals.
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To have one half
and not the other half,
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everything really fell apart.
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He moved back
to New York briefly,
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we stayed in Los Angeles,
and my parents
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just couldn't make
their relationship work anymore.
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[Phil] All my close friends
throughout my life--
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Lenny Bruce, John Lennon,
passed on, and I lost them.
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And so, I-- all the people
I could talk to were gone.
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So, I just sort of
struggled along alone.
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I don't know
where I would have been
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if little Phillip had lived.
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My life might have been
completely different,
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although so-- I don't know,
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I might have been
a different person.
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Phillip dying...
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finally persuaded him
that life--
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living is being in hell.
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I'm not sure that anything
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threw him off
the course he was on
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quite like his son dying.
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[Mick] All the old patterns
begin to reassert themselves--
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you know, the drinking,
the craziness,
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the instability.
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[cheers and applause]
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[male reporter] In 1989,
Spector was inducted
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into the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame.
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He staggered onto the stage.
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I don't get it, man.
I don't get it.
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He's gotta make a mess
of everything.
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He just can't help it.
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...walked away
at the inauguration.
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Can't help it.
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[cheers and applause]
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Let's call it
the negative/dark side of Phil.
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It was almost inevitable.
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I think anybody
who created with him
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or socialized with him
was exposed
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to that side
of his brain function.
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Personally,
I didn't know anything
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about Phil Spector's
rather prolific reputation
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in Los Angeles
and in Hollywood.
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I think you had to be
a little bit of an insider
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in Hollywood to really know
about that.
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Phil Spector had a pattern
of behavior,
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and there was really nobody
that was sort of immune to it.
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Especially not Lana Clarkson.
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[announcer] Are your windows
wasting your money?
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Oh, now that's nice.
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[Nili Hudson]
Lana was a working actress
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for the 20 years
that I knew her.
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And in those 20 years
there were lean times
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and there were abundant times.
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I do a little bit
of everything around here.
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In Hollywood there is a limited
shelf life for actresses.
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Lana knew that roles were
going to diminish over time.
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[Donna Clarkson] And in the '80s
she did a lot of sitcoms.
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No, no, no, easy, easy.
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[Donna] But during the '90s,
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she was preparing to go
in a different direction.
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You know, she started
doing a lot of commercials.
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-We're the Jeffreys.
-In from the coast.
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-How are you guys doing?
-Never better.
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Pâté?
It's from France.
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[Donna] She did
a beer commercial,
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Playtex commercial,
the car commercial.
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She was starting to develop
all these different characters.
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Incredible.
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She was trying to do
a standup comedy thing,
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and she had written this show.
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I really thought
that I would have been great
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during the studio system era,
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you know,
like grooming you for stardom.
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I had the good fortune
of working
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with the lovely
Miss Esther Williams recently.
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She's amazing, and she told me
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all about those days at MGM,
how incredible they were.
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Course, I probably would have
ended up starring
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in Ed Wood films.
[laughter]
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She had been trying
to really do good work,
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write, write, write,
just trying to figure out
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what to do with her career.
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And that happened to be
where she was at in her life.
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Lana decided that she's not
the ingenue anymore,
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and she's gonna produce
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her own showcase
that she had put together.
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[Donna] She came up
with "Lana Unleashed,"
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her one-woman show.
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Roy is here this morning to make
a very important announcement.
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Good morning, Roy,
and welcome to the show.
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Yah, yah, Kathy, thank you.
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The whole idea around
producing this show
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was that you put this on tape,
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you send it to producers,
you send it to directors,
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you send it to agents,
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and you hopefully get jobs
out of it,
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and people start looking
at you in a different light
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and start thinking about you
for different types of roles.
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I think it was really one way
to stave off
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the forced retirement
that could happen
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to a lot of young actresses
in Hollywood.
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She got the old
tin movie cans,
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and she ended up lining it
with red velvet inside
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and cutting out
where the video was,
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and a picture of her
on the cover.
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We all sent them out
to all these casting directors
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and producers over the holidays.
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[Nili] It was a huge
investment--
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an investment
of money, time, heart.
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And then the accident happened.
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She was at
some very dear friend's house.
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They were having a wonderful
Christmas Eve party.
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All the adults
were out partying,
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and she was in the other room
with the children Irish dancing.
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She was wearing
six-inch stilettos.
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And the carpet slipped out
from under her.
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She put her hands back
to brace her fall,
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and in the process
crushed both her wrists.
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It was catastrophic.
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When Lana broke her wrists,
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I think it took about a year
to recover.
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[Nili]
She couldn't do anything.
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She couldn't go on
an interview.
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She couldn't even hold a phone.
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All of her efforts
went down the drain.
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Lana was in a period
of introspection
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and a period of survival.
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Not just, "How do I make
a living to pay the rent,"
286
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but, "How do I reestablish
my career?
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"How do I keep
my name out there?
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What's next for me?"
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She wasn't loving the idea
of getting a 9-to-5 job,
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but she wanted to work
at a place to be seen,
291
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and to see,
and to run into people she knew
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and let them know she was back.
293
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And that was the year
that led up
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to her getting the job
at the House of Blues.
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[Kim Gregory] My first
association with Lana
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was through
the House of Blues,
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which was owned by Dan Aykroyd.
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The Foundation Room
was the original
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of the Los Angeles
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high-end VIP rooms.
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I remember her coming in,
302
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and I remember Lana says,
"I want that job."
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I'm like, what do you mean?
What job?
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"I want that door job,
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'cause I'm gonna
meet everybody."
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The whole thing
was a career move, essentially,
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to just see where she could get
another in
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to maybe a different job
in entertainment.
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Lana always looked for
opportunities to meet people.
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She just loved people,
meeting anybody.
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And so, she knew that
another opportunity
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was gonna be around the corner.
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Opening statements
were April 25th, 2007.
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[cameras snapping]
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That's more than four years
316
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after Lana Clarkson
was murdered.
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Phil Spector's defense team,
they had unlimited resources.
318
00:15:28,302 --> 00:15:31,012
Robert Shapiro
was the lead defense attorney
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all the way through
the indictment.
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But then at some point,
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Bruce Cutler
became the lead counsel
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along with Linda Kenney Baden
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and several other
very talented lawyers.
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-[man] Excuse us, excuse us.
-[woman] Excuse us, folks.
325
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-[man] Excuse us, please.
-[woman] Get back.
326
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[man] Excuse us.
327
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It became really clear
really fast
328
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that the person
who wanted the trial
329
00:15:50,032 --> 00:15:52,242
to become a theater
was Phil Spector.
330
00:15:52,284 --> 00:15:55,754
Never has there ever been
a defendant on trial for murder
331
00:15:55,788 --> 00:15:59,708
where everyone's attention
was not so much on the crime,
332
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but on his hair.
333
00:16:00,751 --> 00:16:02,381
[woman] Phil Spector appearing
in an array of hairdos.
334
00:16:02,419 --> 00:16:05,549
[Vinnie] Spector's hairstyles
were the talk of his trial.
335
00:16:05,589 --> 00:16:07,969
Take a look at this.
This was the big one, folks.
336
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[Linda Kenney Baden]
Being in Hollywood,
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00:16:09,259 --> 00:16:10,509
everything is entertainment.
338
00:16:10,552 --> 00:16:12,512
But Phillip
has a sense of humor.
339
00:16:12,554 --> 00:16:15,934
And he felt that they were gonna
be out to get him,
340
00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,475
no matter what.
341
00:16:19,603 --> 00:16:22,233
[Alan] I think it was all
an effort to utilize
342
00:16:22,272 --> 00:16:25,692
this newfound celebrity
and the trial
343
00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:27,534
as his own personal theater.
344
00:16:29,905 --> 00:16:34,535
In my view,
that was a vital error
345
00:16:34,576 --> 00:16:37,746
on the part of the defense
to allow Phil Spector
346
00:16:37,788 --> 00:16:39,288
to conduct himself this way,
347
00:16:39,331 --> 00:16:42,461
because to me,
it showed a lack of respect.
348
00:16:42,501 --> 00:16:46,301
The jurors were judging him
at every level,
349
00:16:46,338 --> 00:16:49,088
from the time he walks
into the courtroom,
350
00:16:49,133 --> 00:16:52,433
how he sits in his chair,
how he dresses.
351
00:16:52,469 --> 00:16:54,889
Every single moment
in front of a jury
352
00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:56,680
is a moment of judgment.
353
00:16:57,599 --> 00:17:00,229
I am not one,
nor will I ever be,
354
00:17:00,269 --> 00:17:02,859
to have a client
change their dress.
355
00:17:02,896 --> 00:17:04,106
This is Phillip Spector.
356
00:17:04,148 --> 00:17:06,858
This is what he looked like,
this is how he dressed.
357
00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:10,360
I want the jury
to see who he is.
358
00:17:11,405 --> 00:17:13,235
[Vikram] I talked with him
about his hair,
359
00:17:13,282 --> 00:17:15,912
and in fact, I thought
I'd shoot a shot about it.
360
00:17:15,951 --> 00:17:17,871
I said, "What I'd like
to do, Phil,
361
00:17:17,911 --> 00:17:22,331
"is you pile all your wig boxes
on that side and on that side,
362
00:17:22,374 --> 00:17:23,924
"and the camera
will be locked down,
363
00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:25,289
"and you will,
in your frock coat,
364
00:17:25,335 --> 00:17:28,755
"keep crossing the frame
in a different wig.
365
00:17:28,797 --> 00:17:31,217
That'll be a funny scene."
366
00:17:31,258 --> 00:17:34,718
And the room
went completely cold and scary.
367
00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:40,392
And Phil said,
"What wigs?"
368
00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:44,862
And I said, "You've got
a lot of wigs, right?"
369
00:17:44,897 --> 00:17:48,567
And he said, "Who's been--
who have you been talking to?"
370
00:17:48,609 --> 00:17:50,279
And the bodyguards
stopped playing,
371
00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,359
and they just all went alert
like a dog ready to jump.
372
00:17:53,405 --> 00:17:55,985
And I said, "Everyone knows
you've got wigs.
373
00:17:56,033 --> 00:17:57,453
It's all over the internet."
374
00:17:57,493 --> 00:18:01,913
He said, "This isn't a wig,
this is my own hair.
375
00:18:01,955 --> 00:18:03,615
It's always my own hair."
376
00:18:03,665 --> 00:18:05,995
And Phil came out with his arm
full of photographs,
377
00:18:06,043 --> 00:18:07,383
and he came running up to me,
378
00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:08,709
and pictures were dropping off.
379
00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:10,264
He started pulling 'em out
and showing me them
380
00:18:10,297 --> 00:18:11,757
and saying, "Look, see,
that's my own hair.
381
00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:14,009
See, look, that's my own hair.
That's my own..."
382
00:18:14,051 --> 00:18:16,931
He was adamant
that it was his own hair.
383
00:18:24,603 --> 00:18:27,443
[Piny] I saw him on TV
with that afro look.
384
00:18:27,481 --> 00:18:30,031
I didn't think
it was the right look for him.
385
00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:32,107
I got the call probably
a week later
386
00:18:32,152 --> 00:18:34,242
or something like that.
387
00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:35,859
And he said to me--
388
00:18:35,906 --> 00:18:39,326
he came over and he said to me,
"I don't want that look."
389
00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:41,198
He asked me,
"Can you help me?"
390
00:18:41,245 --> 00:18:43,205
I said, "Sure, no problem."
391
00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:45,747
And when he came over, we tried
to mellow down the look.
392
00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:51,091
The more classy looking,
you know, and less poofy,
393
00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,420
more Phil Spector.
394
00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:54,804
And so, I made--
this is one of his pieces.
395
00:18:54,842 --> 00:18:58,182
And I kept it because he used
to come every week for service,
396
00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:00,390
because he didn't know how
to style his own hair,
397
00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,720
so he always would switch it.
398
00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:04,766
So, I made about--
probably about eight
399
00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:06,310
or nine wigs for him.
400
00:19:06,353 --> 00:19:08,363
I mean, with the whole mess,
the whole thing,
401
00:19:08,397 --> 00:19:10,977
and he's still worried
about how his hair looked?
402
00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:13,488
But listen,
that was my business.
403
00:19:13,527 --> 00:19:14,737
I can't tell him,
"Just go home,
404
00:19:14,778 --> 00:19:16,858
I don't want to do
anything for you."
405
00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:22,235
It was hard to get a smile
out of his face.
406
00:19:22,286 --> 00:19:25,616
'Cause as I said before--
as I said before,
407
00:19:25,664 --> 00:19:28,714
he was-- he knew
what's coming up.
408
00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:31,420
You could see the fear
in his eyes all the time.
409
00:19:31,461 --> 00:19:33,011
All the time.
410
00:19:34,047 --> 00:19:35,337
[Linda]
He did tone down his look.
411
00:19:35,382 --> 00:19:37,722
And of course, it was all over
the news media.
412
00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:41,259
I thought, gosh darn,
we're trying a murder case.
413
00:19:41,305 --> 00:19:42,635
Really, I mean,
this is the dignity
414
00:19:42,681 --> 00:19:44,731
we're gonna give
our court system?
415
00:19:45,809 --> 00:19:49,609
I just don't like the idea
that anybody doesn't think
416
00:19:49,646 --> 00:19:52,356
I'm taking this not seriously.
417
00:19:52,399 --> 00:19:55,989
Because the judge,
every time I go into court,
418
00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:57,068
doesn't like me.
419
00:19:57,112 --> 00:19:59,572
He's already said,
"Someone died."
420
00:19:59,615 --> 00:20:01,615
And he keeps saying that
every time I go into court.
421
00:20:01,658 --> 00:20:04,908
To the jurors, the first thing
out of his mouth was,
422
00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:08,713
"Remember today, we're here
because someone died."
423
00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:10,959
Now, why does he
gotta say that for?
424
00:20:11,001 --> 00:20:14,131
He's just a mean son of a bitch
who doesn't like me.
425
00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,881
[cameras snapping]
426
00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:20,554
-Excuse us.
-Excuse us, please.
427
00:20:20,594 --> 00:20:22,554
-Excuse us, please.
-Excuse us.
428
00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:24,056
-Excuse us.
-Excuse us.
429
00:20:24,097 --> 00:20:26,017
[woman] Excuse us, folks,
get back!
430
00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:27,428
Get back!
431
00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:29,476
[Beth]
This was an involved case,
432
00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:32,229
it was a little bit
complicated.
433
00:20:32,814 --> 00:20:36,194
The manner of death was what
this case was all about.
434
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,945
What do we call this?
435
00:20:37,986 --> 00:20:42,316
Did she do this to herself,
or was it a homicide--
436
00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:44,616
death at the hands of another?
437
00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:46,620
The prosecution's position
438
00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:49,042
based on the entire
investigation
439
00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:51,081
was that
Phil Spector did this.
440
00:20:51,124 --> 00:20:53,044
This was a homicide.
441
00:20:58,882 --> 00:21:04,102
By February 2003, Phil Spector
was pretty reclusive.
442
00:21:05,681 --> 00:21:08,481
He was living
in a 33-room mansion
443
00:21:08,517 --> 00:21:10,477
in Alhambra,
the Pyrenees Castle.
444
00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,689
It's up on a hill,
and he had 88 steps
445
00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:16,939
like the 88 keys on a piano
going up the front door.
446
00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:20,531
For whatever reason,
447
00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:23,450
on the night
of February 2nd, 2003,
448
00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:24,780
he decided to come out.
449
00:21:24,825 --> 00:21:30,995
He had broken his silence
by talking to Mick Brown
450
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:33,789
before Lana Clarkson died.
451
00:21:35,252 --> 00:21:37,302
When that article came out,
452
00:21:37,337 --> 00:21:40,757
it called him "the lost genius
of pop music."
453
00:21:41,508 --> 00:21:46,258
I can't help but think
that Mick's article...
454
00:21:46,888 --> 00:21:50,308
would have struck Phil
as a true mirror
455
00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:52,640
of who Phil had become.
456
00:21:57,858 --> 00:22:00,238
Phil had been pretty much
on the wagon
457
00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:02,697
for about 10 years, I think.
458
00:22:02,738 --> 00:22:05,868
But the day after
the article came out
459
00:22:05,907 --> 00:22:08,617
is when he started
hitting the bars.
460
00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:17,375
That night he decided to go out
with Rommie Davis.
461
00:22:17,419 --> 00:22:19,339
Rommie Davis was a friend
462
00:22:19,379 --> 00:22:21,339
of Phil Spector's
from high school.
463
00:22:21,381 --> 00:22:22,841
Picked her up about 7:30
464
00:22:22,883 --> 00:22:24,843
and took her over to The Grill
to have dinner,
465
00:22:24,885 --> 00:22:27,715
and he employed the services
of Adriano De Souza,
466
00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:31,353
a private driver
who he had hired for the night.
467
00:22:32,434 --> 00:22:35,484
[Mick] They go for dinner,
and the records show--
468
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,980
the evidence
brought forward in the trial
469
00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:40,072
shows that he was drinking
pretty heavily.
470
00:22:40,108 --> 00:22:43,068
He was not his usual self.
471
00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:46,572
Phillip did not usually drink
when I went out with him.
472
00:22:46,615 --> 00:22:48,365
I said, "Phillip,
please don't drink.
473
00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:50,788
You take medication,
you shouldn't be mixing this."
474
00:22:50,827 --> 00:22:53,617
And he just didn't agree,
he did what he wanted to do.
475
00:22:53,663 --> 00:22:56,833
Phil Spector
took Rommie Davis home,
476
00:22:56,875 --> 00:23:00,795
he returned to The Grill,
and he took the waitress
477
00:23:00,837 --> 00:23:03,167
who was working there,
Kathy Sullivan,
478
00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:05,715
with him now
to Trader Vic's.
479
00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:08,642
[Alan] And what happened?
480
00:23:08,678 --> 00:23:11,468
-We ordered drinks.
-What'd you order?
481
00:23:11,515 --> 00:23:13,675
I ordered an amaretto sour.
482
00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:16,265
And do you know
what Mr. Spector ordered?
483
00:23:16,311 --> 00:23:18,401
He ordered a Navy Grog.
484
00:23:19,815 --> 00:23:23,275
[Alan] One Navy Grog
is the equivalent of six drinks.
485
00:23:23,318 --> 00:23:25,778
It was an enormous
amount of alcohol.
486
00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:28,121
He was getting
more and more drunk
487
00:23:28,156 --> 00:23:29,566
as the night went on.
488
00:23:29,616 --> 00:23:33,076
And then, from Trader Vic's
they went to Dan Tana's.
489
00:23:33,829 --> 00:23:36,289
[Alan] At Dan Tana's
Phillip Spector
490
00:23:36,331 --> 00:23:37,791
ordered another Navy Grog.
491
00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,423
During the course
of the dinner
492
00:23:39,459 --> 00:23:42,379
there was yet a second round
of drinks ordered.
493
00:23:43,463 --> 00:23:45,053
It's getting close
to midnight now.
494
00:23:45,090 --> 00:23:48,510
Did Mr. Spector have any ideas
about going someplace else?
495
00:23:48,552 --> 00:23:50,352
-Yes.
-Tell me about that.
496
00:23:50,387 --> 00:23:52,927
He wanted to go
to the House of Blues.
497
00:23:58,478 --> 00:24:02,478
[Donna] I remember then
the last time I saw Lana.
498
00:24:02,524 --> 00:24:03,904
She needed some flat shoes.
499
00:24:03,942 --> 00:24:05,942
Most of her shoes
were heels.
500
00:24:05,986 --> 00:24:08,816
We're rushing around and went
a couple of different places,
501
00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,454
and I think I must have
bought her seven pairs of shoes.
502
00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:15,542
So, she left with all
these shoes in her car,
503
00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:17,159
and she just,
"Oh, Mom, I love you,
504
00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:18,955
thank you for all my shoes."
505
00:24:20,208 --> 00:24:22,958
And then she left and went
to the House of Blues.
506
00:24:27,215 --> 00:24:31,635
[Kim] That Sunday night,
I remember Lana at the door.
507
00:24:31,678 --> 00:24:33,848
I remember them calling me
over on the radio,
508
00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:35,429
and they said,
"Kim, go to the door
509
00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:36,734
'cause Phil's here."
510
00:24:36,766 --> 00:24:38,766
And I remember going
to the door.
511
00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:41,863
Phil was pissed 'cause
he couldn't get in the room,
512
00:24:41,897 --> 00:24:44,357
and Lana had stopped him
and didn't know who he was.
513
00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:48,359
She says, "I'm sorry,
who are you?"
514
00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:50,163
And of course,
he utters the phrase
515
00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:53,867
that is so well used
and overused in Hollywood,
516
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:55,789
"Don't you know who I am?"
517
00:24:55,827 --> 00:24:57,497
And she said,
"No, ma'am, I'm sorry.
518
00:24:57,537 --> 00:24:59,497
I don't know who you are."
519
00:24:59,539 --> 00:25:02,499
[Beth] She thought
he was a woman.
520
00:25:02,542 --> 00:25:04,882
He had his long wig,
521
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,510
and he was wearing
a long jacket.
522
00:25:08,256 --> 00:25:11,216
And I said, "No, no, no, no.
That's Phil Spector.
523
00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:12,219
"That's Dan's friend.
524
00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:14,140
Treat him as if
that's Dan Akroyd."
525
00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:17,019
It's 1:30, quarter to 2:00
in the morning.
526
00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,387
Now, at this point,
Kathy Sullivan wants to go home.
527
00:25:19,434 --> 00:25:21,604
Well, Phil Spector wanted
to keep drinking.
528
00:25:21,645 --> 00:25:22,895
He was on a bender that night.
529
00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:25,978
Kathy Sullivan simply didn't
want to drink like that.
530
00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:28,654
The server asked him
what he wanted to drink,
531
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:30,613
and he said,
"I'll have rum."
532
00:25:30,654 --> 00:25:33,664
-And did you order anything?
-I ordered water.
533
00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:37,448
That infuriated Phil,
and Phil ordered her
534
00:25:37,494 --> 00:25:39,454
out of the House of Blues,
"Go home."
535
00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,076
Shortly before closing time,
536
00:25:41,122 --> 00:25:43,002
Lana Clarkson
comes to his table.
537
00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:44,791
"Is there anything
I can get you, Mr. Spector?
538
00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:46,174
"I'm sorry for the confusion.
539
00:25:46,211 --> 00:25:48,511
"If you need anything,
please come to me.
540
00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:50,007
My name is Lana."
541
00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:51,678
Phil Spector actually said,
"You know what,
542
00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:53,756
just sit down and have a drink."
543
00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:56,182
And she said, "Oh, I can't have
a drink with you, I'm working."
544
00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:58,271
And he said, "Sit down
and have a drink."
545
00:25:58,306 --> 00:25:59,976
Of course, the evidence
will show that she thought
546
00:26:00,016 --> 00:26:01,846
at this point she needed
to treat him like an owner.
547
00:26:01,893 --> 00:26:04,273
If an owner says,
"Sit down and have a drink,"
548
00:26:04,312 --> 00:26:05,442
she needs to check on that.
549
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,900
So, she calls on the radio
and says,
550
00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:10,071
"Phillip Spector is asking me
to sit down and have a drink.
551
00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:11,820
Am I allowed to do that?"
She calls the manager.
552
00:26:11,861 --> 00:26:13,411
The manager says,
"No, you're on duty."
553
00:26:13,446 --> 00:26:14,856
She said, "Mr. Spector,
I'm sorry,
554
00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:16,906
I can't drink with you."
555
00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:20,372
The evidence will show
that he said,
556
00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:22,082
"Well, maybe later then."
557
00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:32,758
[Kim] It was about 2:30
and we were winding down.
558
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,759
I was in the middle of the bar.
559
00:26:34,801 --> 00:26:36,801
I remember seeing Phil
walking down
560
00:26:36,845 --> 00:26:39,885
like he wanted to leave,
and I remember them saying,
561
00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:42,061
"Hey, Phil wants
to talk to you."
562
00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:47,307
Phil and myself are talking
at the elevator doors,
563
00:26:47,355 --> 00:26:48,815
and I remember all of a sudden
564
00:26:48,857 --> 00:26:50,977
Lana came into that space.
565
00:26:51,026 --> 00:26:52,686
And I remember him
looking up to her
566
00:26:52,736 --> 00:26:55,236
and going, "You didn't
let me in tonight."
567
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,570
So, she was like,
"Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Spector.
568
00:26:57,616 --> 00:26:59,526
I'll remember you next time,
I'll remember--"
569
00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:03,326
you know,
being the typical great host.
570
00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:07,671
I remember them
getting on the elevator,
571
00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:09,169
the elevator door was open.
572
00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:11,250
I remember her giving me
a hug and a kiss,
573
00:27:11,296 --> 00:27:12,876
and saying,
"Hey, I'll see you tomorrow."
574
00:27:12,922 --> 00:27:14,672
I remember that.
575
00:27:14,716 --> 00:27:17,636
Elevator door closed,
that was the last I saw her.
576
00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:21,845
[Alan] That is Lana Clarkson
577
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:24,390
escorting Phil Spector
578
00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:25,734
down to his car.
579
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:28,059
You can see she is the taller
of the two individuals,
580
00:27:28,104 --> 00:27:30,524
Phil Spector
is the shorter of the two.
581
00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:33,647
When they got down to the car,
ladies and gentlemen,
582
00:27:33,693 --> 00:27:35,863
Phillip Spector
began insisting
583
00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:38,374
that Lana Clarkson
come home with him.
584
00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:41,366
"Come back to my castle,
I wanna show you the castle.
585
00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:43,119
"I have a castle in Alhambra.
586
00:27:43,161 --> 00:27:45,621
"You gotta see the castle,
come back to the castle.
587
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,794
Have one drink with me
back at the castle."
588
00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:49,542
She didn't wanna go home
with him,
589
00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:51,174
she did not want to have
a drink with him.
590
00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:53,591
It was late,
she had worked.
591
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:55,380
She's got her purse
over her shoulder,
592
00:27:55,423 --> 00:27:56,553
she's ready to go home.
593
00:27:56,591 --> 00:27:58,471
He pressured her,
and she finally thought,
594
00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,180
"Okay, what the heck?"
595
00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:02,100
[Alan] She gets
into the Mercedes
596
00:28:02,138 --> 00:28:05,558
and just before Adriano De Souza
shuts the door for her,
597
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,230
she looks at him
and says in a low voice,
598
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:12,229
"It's okay, I'm just gonna
stay for one drink.
599
00:28:13,316 --> 00:28:14,686
Just one drink."
600
00:28:15,610 --> 00:28:17,820
And he got mad with her,
like you know,
601
00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:19,572
"Don't talk
to the driver.
602
00:28:19,614 --> 00:28:21,034
"Don't talk to the driver,
603
00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:22,784
you have to talk to me."
604
00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:25,536
Looked like both inside the car,
I close the door
605
00:28:25,578 --> 00:28:28,038
and I drove
right to Spector's house.
606
00:28:29,082 --> 00:28:32,252
Spector has a video player,
a little video player,
607
00:28:32,293 --> 00:28:34,423
and he slots a video in
to watch a movie
608
00:28:34,462 --> 00:28:38,552
as they're driving back,
and it's a James Cagney film.
609
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:41,719
"Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye."
610
00:28:51,479 --> 00:28:53,359
They arrive at the castle.
611
00:28:55,734 --> 00:28:58,074
And the electronic gates
are open.
612
00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:01,994
Spector instructs the driver
to stop
613
00:29:02,031 --> 00:29:03,831
at the bottom of the steps,
614
00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:07,407
and asked Lana Clarkson
to walk up the steps with him.
615
00:29:11,291 --> 00:29:14,541
[Beth] Eighty-eight steps,
and he's so drunk.
616
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,296
So, she helps him up the stairs.
617
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:18,840
De Souza goes around
the back,
618
00:29:18,882 --> 00:29:21,632
and he figures
it won't be too long.
619
00:29:25,346 --> 00:29:28,266
[Adriano] It was a dark night,
no cars around.
620
00:29:28,308 --> 00:29:30,308
It's in the top
of the mountain.
621
00:29:32,479 --> 00:29:34,439
There's no noise around.
622
00:29:37,108 --> 00:29:40,108
Like 5:00 in the morning,
around 5:00...
623
00:29:43,406 --> 00:29:45,526
I heard a noise.
624
00:29:45,575 --> 00:29:47,485
[distant gunshot]
625
00:29:48,411 --> 00:29:51,041
I tried to, you know,
to investigate what happened.
626
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,540
You know, I opened the door.
627
00:29:52,582 --> 00:29:54,632
[car door opens]
628
00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:57,457
I checked to see
if it was outside.
629
00:29:57,504 --> 00:29:59,924
The fountain was on.
630
00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:02,094
Everything pretty normal.
631
00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:04,683
I went inside the car,
I closed the door.
632
00:30:04,719 --> 00:30:07,099
[car door closes]
633
00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:12,733
And he opened the door.
634
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:14,649
[door opens]
635
00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:20,027
As soon as he opened the door,
636
00:30:20,068 --> 00:30:22,198
I jumped and went, like,
to the back door,
637
00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:24,567
and he was, like,
standing in the door
638
00:30:24,614 --> 00:30:26,204
with the gun in a hand.
639
00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:28,911
Do you recognize what's depicted
in that photograph?
640
00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:30,122
-[Adriano] Yes.
-[Alan] Does that look
641
00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:32,211
like the gun that was in
Mr. Spector's hand?
642
00:30:32,247 --> 00:30:33,827
-Yes.
-Could you stand
643
00:30:33,873 --> 00:30:35,833
and show the jurors
exactly how Mr. Spector
644
00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:37,875
-was holding that gun?
-Yes.
645
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,339
Like that.
646
00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:42,719
Mr. De Souza, when you saw
Mr. Spector step outside
647
00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:44,127
with this gun in his hand,
648
00:30:44,175 --> 00:30:46,885
approximately how far
were you from him?
649
00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:49,058
Over here.
650
00:30:49,097 --> 00:30:50,217
That's it.
651
00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:51,385
-Right here?
-Yes.
652
00:30:51,432 --> 00:30:53,482
-[man] Four to five feet.
-Thank you, Your Honor.
653
00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:56,689
[Adriano] He said,
"I think I killed someone."
654
00:30:57,814 --> 00:30:59,324
I ask him like what happened?
655
00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:02,687
And I step inside
to see what's going on.
656
00:31:04,195 --> 00:31:08,575
And I saw Lana's body
on the chair.
657
00:31:12,495 --> 00:31:14,455
I start running
for a little while,
658
00:31:14,497 --> 00:31:16,997
I did not remember
that I had the car.
659
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:20,881
I returned, I grabbed the car,
and I start like, you know,
660
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,550
driving, like, down.
661
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:27,430
Tried to just escape
from that place, you know.
662
00:31:27,927 --> 00:31:32,307
Adriano De Souza panicked,
did not know what to do.
663
00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:34,848
Once he got to a point
where he believed he was safe,
664
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:36,563
he called 911.
665
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,419
[Mick] I covered the trial
for "The Daily Telegraph."
666
00:31:58,458 --> 00:32:02,168
And I sat in the courtroom
watching De Souza's testimony,
667
00:32:02,211 --> 00:32:04,011
and like everybody
in the courtroom,
668
00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:07,177
I came away just thinking
this was just extraordinary.
669
00:32:07,216 --> 00:32:11,216
I mean, you could feel
this palpable shift in energy.
670
00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:16,023
And when I looked at Spector,
something had happened to him.
671
00:32:16,059 --> 00:32:17,519
His face was different.
672
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,230
He looked bewildered,
he looked lost,
673
00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:24,282
he looked frightened,
as if he couldn't believe
674
00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,277
this had happened to him.
675
00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:33,533
Adriano De Souza was obviously
a central witness to the case.
676
00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:36,536
He's the only eyewitness,
the only earwitness,
677
00:32:36,579 --> 00:32:39,039
and the first person
to see the aftermath
678
00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:40,422
of Lana Clarkson's murder.
679
00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:43,378
His testimony was consistent
in every hearing
680
00:32:43,419 --> 00:32:46,839
that he ever testified in,
in every report he ever gave
681
00:32:46,881 --> 00:32:49,301
down to the letter
and the grammar.
682
00:33:05,566 --> 00:33:08,316
His testimony
was devastating to the defense,
683
00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:12,241
and something that they had
to spin their way out of.
684
00:33:12,281 --> 00:33:14,371
[Bradley Brunon]
Had you received any kind
685
00:33:14,409 --> 00:33:20,369
of certification or evaluation
that would measure
686
00:33:20,415 --> 00:33:24,205
-your English competency skills?
-No.
687
00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:26,882
Adriano De Souza's
first language is Portuguese.
688
00:33:26,921 --> 00:33:28,051
He's from Brazil.
689
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:30,299
He was a Brazilian
military officer,
690
00:33:30,341 --> 00:33:33,181
highly educated,
highly competent.
691
00:33:33,219 --> 00:33:36,889
The defense wanted to exploit
the fact
692
00:33:36,931 --> 00:33:38,561
that he was not
from this country,
693
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,269
that English
was his second language,
694
00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:43,400
and style him as a backward,
695
00:33:43,438 --> 00:33:45,478
foreign-sounding guy
with an accent.
696
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:47,443
[Bradley] You said you thought
you heard Mr. Spector
697
00:33:47,483 --> 00:33:49,943
-say something, is that right?
-Yeah, I heard, yeah.
698
00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:52,906
Okay, what do you
recall him saying now?
699
00:33:52,947 --> 00:33:54,907
He said,
"I think I killed somebody."
700
00:33:54,949 --> 00:33:57,039
Okay.
Now...
701
00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:02,213
are you completely sure
that's what he said?
702
00:34:02,248 --> 00:34:04,668
-Yes.
-Positive?
703
00:34:05,334 --> 00:34:06,924
-Yes.
-No doubt?
704
00:34:06,961 --> 00:34:08,001
Yes.
705
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,716
You think you might have
gotten those words wrong?
706
00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:11,507
No.
707
00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:14,179
The words that I heard,
like, were clear.
708
00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:16,048
Okay.
Let me ask you this.
709
00:34:16,095 --> 00:34:17,555
Do you think
you might have heard,
710
00:34:17,597 --> 00:34:19,847
"I think somebody's
been killed?"
711
00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:21,181
No.
712
00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:25,226
They claimed that,
"I think I killed somebody"
713
00:34:25,271 --> 00:34:29,401
was actually, "I think
somebody got killed,"
714
00:34:29,442 --> 00:34:32,532
meaning, "Oh, no,
she just killed herself.
715
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:34,910
"And look, I happened
to grab the gun
716
00:34:34,947 --> 00:34:36,197
and I'm standing here
holding it."
717
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,450
It could be like
my accent is strong anyway,
718
00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:39,583
but I understand everything.
719
00:34:39,619 --> 00:34:41,249
I could read anything,
you know?
720
00:34:41,287 --> 00:34:42,577
It actually is a simple,
721
00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:44,172
you know,
like, sentence, you know?
722
00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:46,497
'Cause he didn't speak
English correctly
723
00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:48,752
or without an accent,
a heavy accent,
724
00:34:48,795 --> 00:34:51,625
that maybe he doesn't hear
without an accent.
725
00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:55,012
Maybe he hears with an--
I said that's bullshit.
726
00:34:55,051 --> 00:34:58,101
I took offense to that.
I mean, I did.
727
00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:00,217
Because in other words,
if I have an accent,
728
00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,934
that means that I hear you
in an accent?
729
00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:03,434
No.
No, not true.
730
00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:04,636
That was never gonna fly.
731
00:35:04,685 --> 00:35:06,645
I don't think a juror
believed it,
732
00:35:06,687 --> 00:35:08,267
I don't think
an alternate juror believed it,
733
00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:09,824
I don't think an audience member
believed it.
734
00:35:09,857 --> 00:35:10,727
I didn't believe it.
735
00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:13,145
So, when the defense
is faced with a situation
736
00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:16,864
where their client
is basically caught red-handed,
737
00:35:16,906 --> 00:35:19,236
with gun in hand,
having confessed
738
00:35:19,283 --> 00:35:21,623
to just killing somebody,
they gotta do something.
739
00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:22,871
So, in this case,
what they did
740
00:35:22,912 --> 00:35:25,832
is try to just conflate
as many issues as possible.
741
00:35:25,873 --> 00:35:30,503
[Bradley] There's some
ambient noise in that area
742
00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:32,295
of the doorway, isn't there?
743
00:35:32,338 --> 00:35:34,668
-Yes.
-And that's the fountain, right?
744
00:35:34,715 --> 00:35:35,625
Yes.
745
00:35:35,675 --> 00:35:37,965
The fountain's actually
quite loud, isn't it?
746
00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:41,180
-Yes.
-You did a recreation
747
00:35:41,222 --> 00:35:42,722
of the event the next day,
right?
748
00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:43,925
Yes, I did.
749
00:35:46,018 --> 00:35:48,768
[muffled conversation]
750
00:35:58,281 --> 00:36:01,031
[Bradley] The fountain,
you could clearly hear the noise
751
00:36:01,075 --> 00:36:03,155
-in the background, right?
-Yes.
752
00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:06,212
The thing is, when they
showed that in the court,
753
00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:08,497
if you put the microphones
close to the fountain,
754
00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:12,551
they get the fountain more
than any other sound around it.
755
00:36:12,587 --> 00:36:14,507
They tried, like,
to make that, you know,
756
00:36:14,547 --> 00:36:16,797
"You didn't hear anything,"
you know?
757
00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:27,727
Because the defense
was taking the position
758
00:36:27,768 --> 00:36:30,398
that De Souza didn't have
any credibility--
759
00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,108
and obviously Lana Clarkson
walked into his house,
760
00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:35,279
rummaged around his foyer,
761
00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:37,028
and found a gun,
and shot herself,
762
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:38,399
we had to rebut that.
763
00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:41,526
To understand more fully,
more globally,
764
00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:44,374
why Phillip Spector
would have done what he did,
765
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:49,040
how Lana Clarkson fell victim
to this man...
766
00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:51,580
you're gonna be introduced
to evidence
767
00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:57,546
of the defendant's
very rich history of violence.
768
00:36:58,341 --> 00:37:01,091
A history of violence
against women,
769
00:37:01,135 --> 00:37:04,055
a history
of violence involving guns.
770
00:37:12,438 --> 00:37:14,608
[woman] Please state and spell
your first and last name
771
00:37:14,649 --> 00:37:17,649
-for the record.
-Stephanie Jennings.
772
00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:21,363
[Stephanie] I met Phil Spector
in 1994
773
00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:24,325
at the Philadelphia
Music Alliance Gala.
774
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,947
I was photographing the event.
775
00:37:28,537 --> 00:37:30,917
It was a month or so later,
776
00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:32,497
and I was at Elaine's
777
00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:34,041
having dinner with a friend,
778
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,995
and I saw Phil Spector there.
779
00:37:37,046 --> 00:37:39,376
And so,
I just said, "Hi.
780
00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,303
I just photographed you
in Philadelphia."
781
00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:45,303
So, he invited me
to come to his table
782
00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:47,636
with him and a few
of his friends.
783
00:37:48,557 --> 00:37:52,347
He was very charming
and very funny.
784
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:56,225
We immediately
started a relationship.
785
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,484
[Alan] There's a little bit
of difference
786
00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,145
in you today
as opposed to back then.
787
00:37:59,193 --> 00:38:00,443
Can you explain that
for the court?
788
00:38:00,486 --> 00:38:03,196
I was in a bad car accident,
I totaled my car.
789
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,319
I'm very sorry about that.
790
00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:10,706
I wanna draw your attention
to January of 1995.
791
00:38:10,746 --> 00:38:12,706
Did you receive any kind
of an invitation
792
00:38:12,748 --> 00:38:14,578
from Phillip Spector to attend
793
00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:16,705
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
induction ceremonies...
794
00:38:16,752 --> 00:38:19,422
-That event, no.
-At that event? All right.
795
00:38:19,463 --> 00:38:24,053
And what hotel did Mr. Spector
get you a room to stay at?
796
00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:24,973
At the Carlisle.
797
00:38:25,011 --> 00:38:27,221
What happened
toward the end of the evening?
798
00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:31,233
Almost everyone was gone,
and I was tired,
799
00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:32,267
I was ready to go.
800
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:34,270
Did you just go back
to your room by yourself?
801
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:35,402
-Yes.
-And what did you do
802
00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:37,978
-once you were back at the room?
-I went to sleep.
803
00:38:39,025 --> 00:38:40,065
What happened next?
804
00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:44,489
There was a knock at the door,
and it was his bodyguard.
805
00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:46,660
Phil wanted to see her,
and he sent his bodyguard
806
00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:48,329
to get her, but it was late,
and she's like,
807
00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:50,327
"No, I'll see him
in the morning at breakfast."
808
00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:52,539
He came back a second time
809
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:56,250
and said that he insisted
that I came over.
810
00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:58,922
And I said, "Absolutely not,"
811
00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:01,801
and shut the door
and went back to bed.
812
00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:06,217
But there was a third knock.
813
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,516
I opened the door,
and it was Phil.
814
00:39:11,557 --> 00:39:13,557
He was definitely drunk,
815
00:39:13,601 --> 00:39:17,941
and he was loud
and demanding.
816
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:19,650
He said he was paying
for the room,
817
00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:22,280
and if he wanted me
to come over to his room,
818
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:24,358
then I was gonna come over
to his room.
819
00:39:24,403 --> 00:39:26,573
I said absolutely not,
820
00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:30,454
and things escalated
extremely quickly.
821
00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:33,543
He started yelling that
I was gonna pay for the room
822
00:39:33,579 --> 00:39:35,789
if I didn't wanna come over
to his room.
823
00:39:35,831 --> 00:39:39,591
I said "No problem,
and I'm gonna leave right now."
824
00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:43,297
So, I started packing
my things.
825
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:46,429
I went into the bathroom
and I was packing my bag,
826
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:49,297
and Phil came in after me.
827
00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:50,805
He grabbed me.
828
00:39:50,846 --> 00:39:54,056
I pushed him, and he fell
into the bathtub
829
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,440
with the shower curtain
down on top of him,
830
00:39:56,477 --> 00:40:01,227
and then got up and walked
silently out of the room.
831
00:40:01,273 --> 00:40:03,073
[Alan] What happened
when Mr. Spector
832
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:04,029
came back into the room?
833
00:40:04,068 --> 00:40:08,318
He had his gun with him,
and he pulled a chair
834
00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:09,784
and put it in front of the door
835
00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:12,284
and said that
I wasn't going anywhere.
836
00:40:13,494 --> 00:40:18,874
I thought, I'm going to die,
shot by Phil Spector.
837
00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:22,587
I was just sitting on the bed
with all my bags
838
00:40:22,628 --> 00:40:24,708
and he was sitting at the door.
839
00:40:25,631 --> 00:40:28,881
And I just reached the phone
and dialed 911.
840
00:40:28,926 --> 00:40:32,846
He thought I called my mom,
I don't know why.
841
00:40:32,888 --> 00:40:35,468
And he said,
"You can call your mom,
842
00:40:35,516 --> 00:40:37,436
but she can't help you now."
843
00:40:38,602 --> 00:40:40,562
[Alan] Female threatened,
assault.
844
00:40:40,604 --> 00:40:41,984
Weapon involved.
845
00:40:42,022 --> 00:40:45,322
She's afraid to talk.
Please help.
846
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:47,779
The man is standing
by the phone.
847
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,620
He's a big celebrity.
His name is Phil Spector.
848
00:40:51,657 --> 00:40:53,987
That's the information
that Stephanie Jennings
849
00:40:54,034 --> 00:40:56,704
was literally relaying
to the police
850
00:40:56,745 --> 00:40:59,495
while she was being held
at gunpoint.
851
00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:02,250
At some point did the police
arrive in your room?
852
00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:04,173
Yes.
They were treating me
853
00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:06,011
as if I was a call girl.
854
00:41:06,046 --> 00:41:08,296
They weren't taking
what was going on seriously.
855
00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,680
Did you tell them
that the incident
856
00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:12,638
-involved Phillip Spector?
-Yes.
857
00:41:12,678 --> 00:41:14,928
Did they appear to know
who Phillip Spector was?
858
00:41:14,972 --> 00:41:16,892
Yes.
And they brought the--
859
00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:18,682
I guess the hotel manager up,
860
00:41:18,726 --> 00:41:21,806
and he gave me money
to take the train
861
00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:23,774
back to Philadelphia.
862
00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:26,484
I thought I had put that part
of my life behind me,
863
00:41:26,525 --> 00:41:30,565
but in late December,
he called and asked me
864
00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:33,953
to join him at a party
for his birthday.
865
00:41:33,991 --> 00:41:38,041
I didn't, and he did not
take that well at all.
866
00:41:38,078 --> 00:41:39,828
[Alan] He left messages
on your answering machine?
867
00:41:39,872 --> 00:41:41,832
-Yes.
-[beep]
868
00:42:20,454 --> 00:42:26,544
I wanted to lead
by disabusing the jurors
869
00:42:26,585 --> 00:42:30,375
of this notion
that Phil Spector
870
00:42:30,422 --> 00:42:33,552
was this sweet
little old man
871
00:42:33,592 --> 00:42:35,052
who couldn't hurt a fly,
872
00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:38,394
and just went into studios
and created magic.
873
00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:42,522
I needed to establish
who he really is,
874
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,900
what he really does,
and what he's capable of.
875
00:42:51,443 --> 00:42:52,823
[man] Good afternoon.
876
00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:54,661
I'd like to invite
your attention
877
00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:57,367
back to 1982.
878
00:42:57,408 --> 00:42:59,828
To May of 1991.
879
00:42:59,868 --> 00:43:02,158
July of 1993.
880
00:43:02,204 --> 00:43:04,044
During that year,
did there come a time
881
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:07,081
when you met a man
named Phil Spector?
882
00:43:07,126 --> 00:43:08,416
Yes, sir.
883
00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:12,796
[Melissa Grosvenor]
His assistant called me
884
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,680
and said, "Mr. Spector
was wondering if you would like
885
00:43:15,718 --> 00:43:17,548
to join him
for dinner tonight."
886
00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:20,215
Phillip would have Donna,
his secretary, call...
887
00:43:20,264 --> 00:43:22,274
"Mr. Spector would like
to see you tonight
888
00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:23,268
at the Ritz Towers."
889
00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:26,309
We went out to dinner
and had a great time.
890
00:43:26,353 --> 00:43:28,613
He was very charming.
891
00:43:28,647 --> 00:43:31,687
-He was funny.
-It really was a nice evening.
892
00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:33,904
Phil Spector,
he could be charming.
893
00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:35,994
He was very rich,
he was very powerful,
894
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:37,910
he was very generous
with his money.
895
00:43:37,948 --> 00:43:40,028
That was the kind of guy he was,
so there are people out there
896
00:43:40,075 --> 00:43:42,655
who would say, "Oh yeah, no,
he's a charming guy."
897
00:43:42,703 --> 00:43:44,163
These women fell prey to that.
898
00:43:44,204 --> 00:43:48,214
And then after dinner,
we went back to his house.
899
00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:51,340
His house was full of all kinds
of interesting things.
900
00:43:51,378 --> 00:43:54,758
And we just chatted, talked.
He played the piano.
901
00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:57,968
[Melissa] And we were dancing
and having a good time.
902
00:43:58,552 --> 00:44:01,562
He definitely
was a little drunk.
903
00:44:01,597 --> 00:44:02,807
The bottle was going down.
904
00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:05,098
[man] Did there come
a time when you decided
905
00:44:05,142 --> 00:44:06,852
-that you should leave?
-Yes.
906
00:44:06,894 --> 00:44:10,234
I said, "Phillip,
I do need to go home.
907
00:44:10,272 --> 00:44:14,072
I have to work tomorrow,
and it's late."
908
00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:17,949
And he-- he didn't want me
to go home.
909
00:44:17,988 --> 00:44:19,908
And as soon as I said,
"I'm tired, I wanna go,"
910
00:44:19,948 --> 00:44:22,158
he turned and looked at me,
and he pointed his finger,
911
00:44:22,201 --> 00:44:24,501
and he said, "What?
You want to go?"
912
00:44:24,536 --> 00:44:28,116
And then, right then, I knew
his whole demeanor had changed.
913
00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,245
And he turned
and started walking at me,
914
00:44:30,292 --> 00:44:33,672
screaming at me to get the eff
back in the house.
915
00:44:33,712 --> 00:44:35,592
There was nothing
that was out of bounds for him,
916
00:44:35,631 --> 00:44:37,221
nothing that was too violent
for him,
917
00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:40,047
for no other reason
that it gave him
918
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:42,224
the power and the control.
919
00:44:42,262 --> 00:44:43,892
And that's what this
was all about.
920
00:44:43,931 --> 00:44:46,231
He walked right up to me
and held the gun
921
00:44:46,266 --> 00:44:49,726
right to my face with just
inches between my eyes,
922
00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:51,940
and said, "If you try to leave,
I'm gonna kill you."
923
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:55,780
He had a gun to my face,
a pistol of some sort.
924
00:44:55,818 --> 00:44:57,698
He was pointing the gun at me.
925
00:44:57,736 --> 00:44:58,776
I kept screaming at him,
926
00:44:58,821 --> 00:45:00,031
"What the eff do you think
you're doing?"
927
00:45:00,072 --> 00:45:01,912
And at that point,
he took his right hand
928
00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:04,619
that was holding the revolver,
929
00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:06,370
and smacked me
in the side of the head
930
00:45:06,412 --> 00:45:09,082
and said, "I told you to get
the eff back in the house."
931
00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:12,333
He wanted me
to go upstairs, okay?
932
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,336
To his bedroom.
933
00:45:13,377 --> 00:45:15,127
[Dorothy] He told me
to take my clothes off
934
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:16,920
and to go up to the third floor.
935
00:45:16,964 --> 00:45:18,674
Was he pointing the gun at you
when he said this?
936
00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:20,466
-Yes, he was.
-He had the gun.
937
00:45:20,509 --> 00:45:24,179
I was in front of him
and he was walking behind me.
938
00:45:24,221 --> 00:45:26,311
And we went up the stairway
to his bedroom.
939
00:45:26,348 --> 00:45:29,688
I was crying, I said,
"Phil, don't make me do this.
940
00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:31,347
I don't want to do this.
Why are you doing this?"
941
00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:33,355
There was no doubt in my mind
that he was gonna kill me
942
00:45:33,397 --> 00:45:34,397
if I tried to leave.
943
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,400
He was not my Phil.
It was like he was demonic.
944
00:45:39,111 --> 00:45:40,401
The sun came up
the next morning,
945
00:45:40,446 --> 00:45:42,776
-and what happened?
-I could see the door open
946
00:45:42,823 --> 00:45:44,073
into the bathroom,
he was, like,
947
00:45:44,116 --> 00:45:48,196
singing in the shower
like nothing happened.
948
00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:51,615
He said, "Would you like
to go get some breakfast?"
949
00:45:51,665 --> 00:45:52,665
And I ran out the door.
950
00:45:52,708 --> 00:45:55,378
I drove a few blocks away
and called 911.
951
00:45:55,419 --> 00:45:57,419
What, if anything,
did the police officer
952
00:45:57,463 --> 00:45:58,463
suggest to your station?
953
00:45:58,505 --> 00:46:01,295
They said Phil told them
that we had these lover spats
954
00:46:01,341 --> 00:46:03,801
all the time, and that
I always called the police,
955
00:46:03,844 --> 00:46:05,474
and this was my M.O.
956
00:46:05,512 --> 00:46:09,222
And then they proceeded
to tell me about the house
957
00:46:09,266 --> 00:46:12,136
and John Lennon's guitar
and such.
958
00:46:12,186 --> 00:46:14,306
Chilling.
Bloodcurdling.
959
00:46:14,354 --> 00:46:17,574
How could you do this to someone
that you say you love?
960
00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:22,358
These are the stories that
each one of these women told,
961
00:46:22,404 --> 00:46:25,994
and just about every single
one of these instances,
962
00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:28,083
the recipe was the same.
963
00:46:28,118 --> 00:46:34,168
Drinking, sex,
rejection, leave, gun.
964
00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:36,788
I can't speak
to their experience.
965
00:46:36,835 --> 00:46:37,955
I really can't.
966
00:46:38,003 --> 00:46:40,213
I wasn't there,
I don't know these people,
967
00:46:40,255 --> 00:46:44,885
and you know, I stand
with survivors.
968
00:46:44,927 --> 00:46:48,257
But I don't think that
those things have to connect.
969
00:46:48,305 --> 00:46:49,965
We just thought
that it was unfair to him,
970
00:46:50,015 --> 00:46:51,845
and these acts were--
they were over a period
971
00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:53,142
of, like, 30 years.
972
00:46:53,185 --> 00:46:56,395
I mean, they were--
many things happen to people
973
00:46:56,438 --> 00:46:57,308
in the meantime.
974
00:46:57,356 --> 00:47:00,976
If you have a defendant
and there's prior acts--
975
00:47:01,026 --> 00:47:04,026
the prosecution
alleged they were similar--
976
00:47:04,071 --> 00:47:06,411
that the jury's gonna hear that,
and they're gonna say,
977
00:47:06,448 --> 00:47:09,028
"Well, this is one bad person,
of course he did this!"
978
00:47:09,076 --> 00:47:11,246
Let's talk about
the grand jury indictment
979
00:47:11,286 --> 00:47:13,286
and these women
who have come forth.
980
00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:17,840
Not one of them,
not one of all the ones
981
00:47:17,876 --> 00:47:19,336
who have come forth
that you read about
982
00:47:19,378 --> 00:47:22,758
in the newspaper,
ever, ever, E-V-E-R,
983
00:47:22,798 --> 00:47:25,298
ever filed a police report
against me.
984
00:47:25,342 --> 00:47:29,392
We couldn't even investigate,
because records weren't there.
985
00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:32,809
But they came in, and we just
had to deal with 'em.
986
00:47:32,850 --> 00:47:36,900
I definitely considered,
could this have happened?
987
00:47:36,937 --> 00:47:40,817
Could he just be so scared
that he's not telling the truth?
988
00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:44,108
Maybe he doesn't remember
what happened.
989
00:47:44,152 --> 00:47:47,952
But as soon as I started
looking at evidence,
990
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:49,490
it was so immediately clear
991
00:47:49,533 --> 00:47:52,333
that he couldn't have
pulled the trigger.
992
00:47:56,331 --> 00:48:00,711
The defense position was that
this all came down to forensics,
993
00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:04,382
and Lana Clarkson
killed herself.
994
00:48:05,173 --> 00:48:09,183
[Linda] We have one
unimpeachable witness
995
00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:11,969
who the evidence will show you
996
00:48:12,014 --> 00:48:16,644
has no motive
for or against anybody.
997
00:48:16,685 --> 00:48:22,475
The witness has no motive to lie
for or against any person.
998
00:48:22,524 --> 00:48:26,284
The witness
has no memory problems.
999
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,240
The witness has no
language problems.
1000
00:48:30,949 --> 00:48:34,449
And that witness
is called science.
1001
00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:36,714
And they had an interpretation
on the forensic evidence
1002
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:41,247
saying it's not inconsistent
with a self-inflicted wound.
1003
00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:45,883
So, the scene was misinterpreted
by the prosecution.
1004
00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:47,843
[Linda] There was simply
no physical evidence
1005
00:48:47,883 --> 00:48:49,223
that proved that Phillip
pulled the trigger.
1006
00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:50,969
There were no fingerprints
that were found,
1007
00:48:51,011 --> 00:48:52,931
there was no DNA
of Phillip on the gun.
1008
00:48:52,971 --> 00:48:55,181
He had no gunshot residue
on him.
1009
00:48:55,223 --> 00:48:59,483
When you fire a gun,
you have a lot of combustion.
1010
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:02,109
See, it goes backwards,
it goes upwards,
1011
00:49:02,147 --> 00:49:05,227
it goes downwards,
it goes forward,
1012
00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:08,445
two and a half feet.
1013
00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:13,158
Lana Clarkson had a lot
of gunshot residue on her hands,
1014
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,200
which would indicate
that she was holding the gun.
1015
00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:18,124
And if he had shot this gun
1016
00:49:18,163 --> 00:49:20,423
or he was in the vicinity
of this gun shooting,
1017
00:49:20,457 --> 00:49:22,747
he also would have
gunshot residue on him
1018
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:25,343
just like she did.
He had none.
1019
00:49:25,379 --> 00:49:27,669
And then there's what's called
blood spatter.
1020
00:49:27,714 --> 00:49:31,094
If you shoot a gun
in an intraoral-type situation,
1021
00:49:31,134 --> 00:49:33,264
the spatter would go backwards,
1022
00:49:33,303 --> 00:49:35,513
and it could go way back,
10 feet.
1023
00:49:35,555 --> 00:49:40,885
When a gun goes off,
the gases are huge and enormous.
1024
00:49:40,936 --> 00:49:43,266
But if there is
an intraoral wound
1025
00:49:43,313 --> 00:49:46,323
without an exit,
without an exit,
1026
00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:50,108
the gases have--
get trapped in the head cavity.
1027
00:49:50,153 --> 00:49:52,533
They have no place to go.
1028
00:49:52,572 --> 00:49:57,702
And so, what happens is,
a person becomes
1029
00:49:57,744 --> 00:49:59,624
almost like a chipmunk.
1030
00:50:00,872 --> 00:50:02,872
They expel back out.
1031
00:50:02,916 --> 00:50:04,876
There's all this spatter on her.
1032
00:50:04,918 --> 00:50:06,998
She had massive amount
of spatter
1033
00:50:07,045 --> 00:50:08,585
on the top of her jacket.
1034
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:12,090
She had the blood spatter
on her wrists and hands.
1035
00:50:12,134 --> 00:50:15,474
We felt that the blood spatter
which was on Lana Clarkson
1036
00:50:15,512 --> 00:50:17,602
would have to be equally
on Phillip Spector.
1037
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:21,179
Phil Spector
is wearing a white jacket.
1038
00:50:21,226 --> 00:50:22,686
If he's two feet from her,
1039
00:50:22,728 --> 00:50:26,108
which is what the criminalist
for the state said,
1040
00:50:26,148 --> 00:50:27,268
he would have been covered.
1041
00:50:27,315 --> 00:50:29,605
If he was there,
he should have had spatter
1042
00:50:29,651 --> 00:50:33,861
and blood all over him,
like was on her.
1043
00:50:35,323 --> 00:50:36,873
And it wasn't.
1044
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:41,000
At that point,
the prosecution is saying,
1045
00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:43,418
"Houston, we have a problem."
1046
00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:44,917
The beginning and end
of this case
1047
00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:46,538
should be that white jacket.
1048
00:50:48,879 --> 00:50:54,719
I'm sorry that I met you
1049
00:50:57,095 --> 00:51:03,765
Now I only just
regret you
1050
00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:07,650
I remember the night
1051
00:51:07,689 --> 00:51:11,939
When you first
held me tight
1052
00:51:11,985 --> 00:51:13,485
Ohh
1053
00:51:13,528 --> 00:51:19,578
Now I'm sorry
that I met you
1054
00:51:21,953 --> 00:51:27,043
I was lost in the hurricane
1055
00:51:27,084 --> 00:51:30,054
La-la-la-la, la-la
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