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Werner: This is the campus of
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University of California
in Los Angeles.
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Today, no one of
the students is aware
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that this is ground zero of
one of the biggest revolutions
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we as humans
are experiencing.
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One of the science
buildings here
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is considered
the birthplace of the internet.
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This picture of some of
the scientists involved
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was taken at
this very moment.
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The corridors here
look repulsive
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and yet this one leads
to some sort of a shrine
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reconstructed years later
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when its importance
had sunk in.
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Let's enter this
very special place.
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We are now entering
a sacred location.
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It's the location where
the internet began.
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It's a holy place.
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And we've just come
back to 1969
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when the critical events
of the origin began.
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That machine over there
is the first piece
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of the internet equipment
ever installed.
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It's a mini computer,
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which we now call
a packet switch.
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This is a...
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(loud banging)
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military hardened machine.
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You can't break it.
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And it was meant
to sustain itself
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unattended for
years at a time.
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This particular machine
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is so ugly on the inside,
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it is beautiful.
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It has a unique odor.
(sniffs)
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A delicious old odor
from all the old parts.
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It consists of modems,
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CPU logic units, memory,
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power supply - all
the things you need
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to make an efficient
computer work.
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This machine served
as the first node
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of the internet
for decades.
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And it was from here
that the first message was sent.
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A revolution began.
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And the only
record we have
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of what happened that day
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is in this log.
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On October 29th, 1969
at 10:30 at night
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we enter that we "talked
to Stanford Research Institute
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host to host"
computer to computer.
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It's very much like
when on Columbus' ship,
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the fellow up on top
who first spotted land,
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he noticed it was and he
basically made an entry
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saying "we spotted land".
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That document and this document
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have at least the same
equivalent importance.
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Now what was that
first message?
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Many people don't know it.
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All we wanted to do
was log in
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from our computer
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to a computer 400 miles
to the north
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up in
Stanford Research Institute.
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To log in you have
to type "LOG"
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and that machine is smart
enough to type the "IN".
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Now to make sure this
was happening properly,
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we had our programmer
and the programmer
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up north connected by
a telephone handset
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just to make sure it
was going correctly.
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So Charlie typed
the L and he said
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"You get the L?" Bill
said, "Yup, I got the L."
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He typed the O.
"Get the O?"
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"Yup, I got the O".
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He typed the G.
"Get the G?"
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Crash! The SRI
computer crashed.
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So the first message ever
on the internet was "Lo"
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as in "Lo
and Behold".
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We couldn't have asked
for a more succinct,
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more powerful,
more prophetic message
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than "Lo".
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Well, I've been involved
with the internet
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really since the
very beginning.
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There are a number of things
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that would characterize
that involvement.
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One was I started out being the,
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essentially the system designer
of the ARPANET,
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the very first packet net.
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I joined DARPA
in the early 1970s
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and started two other
networking programs:
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one a ground base
packet radio net
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like today's cellular
phones and a satellite net
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on Intel's Dot4
based on packets.
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And the internet was about
connecting them all together
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and the essential elements there
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were the protocols that
would make that possible
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and the technology
that would be needed
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inside the net to enable
these different nets
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to work together.
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Werner: Vint Cerf, here in 1973,
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and Bob Kahn
collaborating together
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created the fundamental
protocol for the internet.
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For this they received
some of the highest honors
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our society can bestow.
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Imagine, if you will,
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sitting down
to your morning coffee,
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turning on your home computer
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to read the
day's newspaper.
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Well, it's not as far
fetched as it may seem.
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17 stories up
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in his fashionable
North Beach apartment,
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Richard Halloran is calling
a local number
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that will connect him with
a computer in Columbus, Ohio.
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Meanwhile, across town in this
less than fashionable
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cubby hole
at The San Francisco Examiner
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these editors are programming
today's copy of the paper
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into that same Ohio computer.
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When the telephone connection
between these two terminals
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is made, the newest form of
electronic journalism
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lights up
Mr. Halloran's television
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with just about everything
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The Examiner prints
in its regular edition.
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Of the estimated two
to three thousand
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home computer owners
in the Bay Area,
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The Chronicle reports
over 500 have responded
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by sending
back coupons.
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Werner: This report,
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considering the numbers
of internet users today,
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sounds already
like pre-history.
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No one at that time
had a clue
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about the explosion of
information technology.
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Today if you would burn CDs
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of the worldwide data flow
for one single day
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and stack them
up to a pile,
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this pile would reach
up to Mars and back.
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The internet is already
permeating everything.
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Even on the International
Space Station
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a phone call from
one module to the next
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goes via the internet.
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But how do we
keep it running?
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How do we guard it?
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I still have a copy
of the phone directory
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from the late 1970s of
everybody
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who was on the internet and it
was a document about that thick
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and it had the
name, address,
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and telephone number
of every single person.
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Actually it had it twice
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because it had it once sorted
by their email address
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and once sorted by
their actual name.
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So if you had a
problem with anybody,
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you could look them up,
you could find them.
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You could find who
the actual person was
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associated with
that email address.
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And still today I
thumb through that
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and a surprising
fraction of the people
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I actually knew.
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For example, there were two
other Dannys on the internet,
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and I knew them both.
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I still know them both.
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Of course now you
can't even comprehend
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the idea of a directory
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that contains the
name of everybody.
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Werner: Today, we
couldn't know exactly,
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the directory might
be some 72 miles thick.
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The capacity on the ith channel
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should be the traffic
on the ith channel
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over the speed
of the ith channel
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plus how much is left over,
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that's how much
capacity is left over -
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and you split it
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according to the square root
of the traffic on that channel
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over the summation
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of the square root
over all channels.
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Dany Hills: The way
the internet works,
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there's no fixed route
that a message takes.
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In the early days
of the protocol
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there was a kind of a bug
and one of the computers
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actually had a hardware failure
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that made it believe
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that it could get a message
to some place
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in negative time.
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So of course every
message in the internet
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did better by sending it
through that computer
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because it
subtracted the time
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net required to
send the message.
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And so all the messages
in the internet
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started getting sent through
that computer,
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which of course got slower
and slower and slower.
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So the internet kind of
started to grind to a halt.
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Leonard Kleinrock: The mean
response time now
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will look like this.
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It will be equal to the
average path length
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times the summation
of the square root
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of the traffic on
the J channel
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over the sum
of all traffics
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summed over all
channels squared
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over uc (1 minus n-bar Rho).
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Whatever that equation
means it tells you
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what the minimum
response time will be
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for a network once
it's optimized.
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The computer was
claiming that it could
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deliver the message
before you even sent it.
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So if you had a post
office like that
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of course you
would use it, right?
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This was a simplified but
exact model at the time.
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Now we have other
aspects of it.
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But it's basically the
underlying principles of
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the network and one of
the things we found,
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surprisingly, was that
the larger the network is
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the far more
efficient it becomes.
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Werner: Like a gambling
casino that certainly
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makes money if you have
millions of gamblers
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at the slot machines?
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Very much so.
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You've articulated
what we call
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the law of
large numbers.
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The law of large numbers says
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that a large population of
unpredictable players,
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or messages,
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collectively behaves
in a very predictable fashion,
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a fashion we can
write down exactly.
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And therefore we can
predict the performance
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of a network when its large.
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The underlying
technology has scaled
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by a factor of a million
in computational speed,
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in bandwidth of
communications,
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in storage capacity and it
may go for another decade
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to a factor of a billion
or even a trillion.
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Nothing in the history of
mankind has ever worked
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as a technological
contribution
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over that span of growth.
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Werner: Back to the very
early times,
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times of speculative concepts
of a connected world...
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in the early 60s,
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many years before the first
Apple personal computer,
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a young thinker, Ted Nelson,
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had his own ideas about
creating a computer network.
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The web as we know it
took a different route,
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but Nelson's ideas
are still dormant.
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Ted Nelson: It was an experience
of water and interconnection.
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I was with my
grandparents in a rowboat
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in Chicago, so I must
have been five years old and
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I was trailing
my hand in the water.
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And I thought about how
the water was
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moving around my fingers,
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opening on one side
and closing on the other,
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and that changing
system of relationships
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where everything was
kind of similar,
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kind of the same
and yet different.
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That was so difficult to
visualize and express,
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and just generalizing that
to the entire universe that
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the world is a system of
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ever changing
relationships and structures
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struck me as...
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a vast truth - which it is!
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And...
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so interconnection and
expressing that
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interconnection has been
the center of all my thinking,
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and all my computer work
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has been about expressing
and representing
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and showing interconnection
among writings especially.
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And writing is the
process of reducing
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a tapestry of
interconnection
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to a narrow sequence.
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And this is in a sense illicit.
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This is a wrongful
compression
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of what should
spread out.
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And today's computers
they've betrayed that
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because there's no system
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for decent cut and paste
and they've changed
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the meaning of the
words "cut and paste"
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and pretended it
was the same thing.
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So a guy named
Larry Tesler,
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whom I consider to
be a good friend,
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nevertheless changed
those words
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and I consider that to be
a crime against humanity
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and he doesn't
understand why.
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Because humanity has
no decent writing tools.
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In any case,
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this is the problem:
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interconnection
and representation
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and sequentialization all...
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similar to the issue of water.
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So here we have
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a parallel presentation
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that shows the quotation
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connected to its
original context.
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"In the beginning God
created the heaven
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and the earth" and
where is that from?
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That is from
the King James Bible.
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So we can step down to
the next quotation.
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"Adam and Lilith
immediately began
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to fight" and that is from
the Alphabet of ben Sira.
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And so as we pull back we
can see successive pages
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coming up to connect
with their sources
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or with their
linked contents.
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Werner: His vision of
links never materialized.
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By some he was labeled
insane for clinging on.
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There are two
contradictory slogans.
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One is that continuing
to do the same thing
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and expecting a
different result
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is the definition
of insanity.
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On the other hand, if at
first you don't succeed,
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try, try again.
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I prefer the latter
because I don't want
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to be remembered as
the guy who didn't.
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Werner: No, to us you
appear to be the only one
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around who is
clinically sane.
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No one has ever
said that before.
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(laughs)
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Usually I hear
the opposite.
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Werner: Thank you very
much for talking with us.
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It was wonderful.
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(both laughing)
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Marvelous.
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What a team.
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Werner: Yes, now it's your turn.
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Werner: Today the sheer numbers
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of unpredictable players
on the internet
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has led to some of its
greatest glories.
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Fundamental research into
cancer, AIDS,
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and other diseases,
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has been slowed down
by a complex problem
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which has to do with
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the intricate folding
of molecules.
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Scientists using
super computers
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could not solve it.
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Adrien Treuille was
one of the creators
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of a video game calling
upon the community
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of video gamers out
there in the world.
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Here we can see
an RNA molecule
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folded up into
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this beautiful helical pattern,
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it forms a helix,
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and the amazing thing
is that this pattern
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is formed out of very,
very simple rules
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which pull it together
and create this shape.
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And so it's a little bit like...
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you can think of your hands
as there are simple rules
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which determine
how it can bend,
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and then there are certain ways
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in which it loves
to come together
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to form a compact shape
and that's just
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what these molecules
are doing in the body.
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Werner: And your
shirts, for example,
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you are into
shirt folding?
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These molecules
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fold up in much the same way
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that a shirt folds.
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You can imagine it starts
completely unfolded
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and not at all suitable
to put in your drawer,
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but if you follow very,
very simple rules
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it becomes
this beautiful package
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that you can then
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store and show.
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We took the latest
scientific models
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of a biomolecule folding
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and we created a game
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and we put it on the web without
knowing what would happen
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and without knowing if
it would be fun at all,
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if anyone would come, and...
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instantly people arrived
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and they broke
down the computers.
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We had to build
new computers.
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And they played and they
spoke with one another
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and they taught
one another
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about the science
as non-experts
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and they began
reading papers
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and they began studying
and understanding.
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We have lawyers,
we have school kids,
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we have retired people,
we have bedridden people,
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we have grandmas.
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It's really everyone
from age 10 to age 100.
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Werner: This idea
was impossible
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before the internet and
the response was stunning.
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Within days, hundreds
of thousands joined in
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and they solved the puzzle.
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The world responded,
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and it was beautiful.
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And here is where you'd
design a new molecule
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and in many ways we
tried to...
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subliminally, you might say,
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help the players understand
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and inhabit the world
of the molecule.
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So we placed the whole
game in this water
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and we put all of
these little bubbles
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in the background,
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but they're part of the
story of what's happening.
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Each molecule
has its own sound,
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and these sounds are
specifically designed
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so that when the
molecule is well folded
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they form harmonies.
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(short chords)
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And if something
doesn't fit together
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it will form
a dissonance.
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(short chords)
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It's actually kind of
hard to make it do it. (laughs)
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These are real
chemical results
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of actual molecules
that we, players designed
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and we built them.
So we say, EteRNA
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is played by humans
but scored by nature.
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In other words,
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nature determines
who wins and who loses the game
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and that's science.
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Werner: The solutions
of the video gamers
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are not just fantasies.
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They are verifiable
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and can be
synthesized in the lab.
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Sebastian Thrun is also
reaching out into the world.
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Originally he's
become famous
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with self-driving cars.
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My dream is to go and
give every human being
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a chance and the best way
to do this is education.
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So we built this little
company
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that we called Udacity
that offers education for free.
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We have hundreds of
thousands of students
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staying with us at any
given point in time.
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We've been amazed how fast
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our student base has grown.
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There's a real thirst
for education, like,
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as the machines are
becoming smarter
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I think people want
to become smarter.
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People want to make
a contribution
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and it's harder and harder
to make a contribution today
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and it'll be even harder
in the future so we've
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really got to go and do
something for ourselves
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and the best thing we can
do I think is education.
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In the very beginning of
my journey into education,
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I had a chance to
teach a class online
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and teach a
class at Stanford.
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At Stanford you
got 200 students.
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I considered myself an
extremely great teacher
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so I got
a large class,
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but online we got
160,000 students.
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160 thousand.
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and when we finally
finished this class
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we were able to stack
rank the Stanford students,
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who are the
most privileged
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and most
selected students,
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with the students
from the open world.
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And the top 412 students,
they weren't at Stanford.
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The best performing
Stanford student
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was number 413 out
of a class of 200.
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That kind of opened my
eyes and I realized,
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my god, for every
great Stanford student
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there is 412
amazingly great,
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even better
students in the world
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that don't make
it to Stanford.
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Reporter: Just before heading
into the mountain section
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of the course,
Stanley tracked down
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and passed the
crippled Highlander,
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putting Stanford racing
team's Volkswagen Touareg
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into the leader position
and effectively ending
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the Highlander's
bid for glory.
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As Stanley crosses
the finish line,
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the Stanford racing team
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has made its way
into the history books.
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Werner: This was
Sebastian Thrun's
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moment of glory
back in 2005.
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Most of his competitors
were a sorry sight.
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Reporter: History has already
been made
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as Highlander crosses
the 8-mile mark,
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further than any
vehicle traveled
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in the inaugural
Grand Challenge.
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20 more teams followed
the big three out of the gate,
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all hoping to complete
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the 132-mile course
in a winning time.
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Team Dad, with its
rotating cluster
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of sensors, sped off the
line making up ground
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and passing team Axion
in the process.
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Team ENSCO's buggy
style robot, Dexter,
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also left the line with
a full head of steam,
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fiercely attacking
the desert terrain.
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Kat-5, the Ford Escape hybrid
from Louisiana's Gray team,
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eased its way past the crowd,
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and TerraMax, the
16-ton cargo hauler,
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left the gate determined
to finish the course.
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Werner: Autonomous cars
are developing rapidly.
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Today you don't see
big radar installations
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or tons of
equipment.
477
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So the primary objective
when we built this car
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was to basically make
it look very normal
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on the outside
and the inside.
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The vehicle can send information
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about what it is seeing
to the internet -
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this can be useful to
other vehicles on the road.
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It can also download
information about
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what is happening on the roads
before it reaches
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an accident area
or a traffic jam, for example.
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Werner: So the internet
will be decisive very soon?
487
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The internet will play
a very important role
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in this, yes.
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Werner: Can you open it? It must
be packed with electronics.
490
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Yes.
491
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So just like we humans
have brains to basically
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process all the incoming
signals, we need to have
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computers basically,
which process all the signals
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from the lidars and the
radars and the cameras.
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Werner: I can't see anything.
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It turns out there
really is nothing to see.
497
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It's a completely useable
empty trunk space,
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but hidden behind...
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under the... trunk,
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is a set of computers.
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There are four computers,
each with four so called
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processing cores which
is really equivalent to
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16-piece personal
computing machines
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which basically
crunch all the data
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coming in from the sensors.
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These dots that you see
are basically reflections
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from laser beams
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from the laser lidar sensors
on the car.
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They emit light beams,
hit obstacles, and they
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come back as reflections
and they show up as dots.
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Werner: It really sees
a virtual world.
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It literally sees
a virtual world.
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The big question
basically is that
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does it understand the
ethics of a human?
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Does it understand the
values of human society?
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00:24:24,096 --> 00:24:25,966
For example, our vehicle,
517
00:24:25,998 --> 00:24:27,568
what it would like to do
518
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,700
basically is not hit anybody
as the highest priority.
519
00:24:30,737 --> 00:24:33,637
And then if it has to hit
something it would prefer
520
00:24:33,673 --> 00:24:35,713
to rather hit some thing
than somebody,
521
00:24:35,742 --> 00:24:37,682
but what it really
wants to do is basically
522
00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:39,680
not hit anything at
all or anybody at all.
523
00:24:39,912 --> 00:24:42,282
Werner: But who is
going to be liable
524
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,484
in case of an accident?
525
00:24:44,751 --> 00:24:47,821
The on-board computer?
Its designer?
526
00:24:47,854 --> 00:24:50,564
The GPS system?
The internet?
527
00:24:50,590 --> 00:24:53,060
Or the driver who
eats his breakfast?
528
00:24:55,161 --> 00:24:56,831
When a car
makes a mistake
529
00:24:56,863 --> 00:24:59,703
and learns from it,
that experience is
530
00:24:59,732 --> 00:25:01,972
instantaneously shared
with all the other cars,
531
00:25:02,001 --> 00:25:04,071
so all the other cars
learn from it as well.
532
00:25:04,103 --> 00:25:06,013
It's actually something
that people can't do very well.
533
00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:08,638
So, if I make a mistake,
which I've made many in driving,
534
00:25:08,675 --> 00:25:11,305
then I can commiserate
and I can improve,
535
00:25:11,343 --> 00:25:14,053
but nobody else
learns from it.
536
00:25:14,313 --> 00:25:17,023
When a self-driving
car makes a mistake
537
00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:19,649
automatically all the
other cars know about it,
538
00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:21,992
including all
future unborn cars,
539
00:25:22,021 --> 00:25:23,791
will never make that
same mistake again.
540
00:25:23,823 --> 00:25:26,893
Which means the ability
for cars to develop
541
00:25:26,926 --> 00:25:29,256
an artificial intelligence
is so much greater
542
00:25:29,762 --> 00:25:32,532
than the ability of people
to keep up with them.
543
00:25:34,233 --> 00:25:36,003
Let me show you
one of our robots.
544
00:25:36,368 --> 00:25:39,638
This robot essentially
has four wheels
545
00:25:39,672 --> 00:25:43,312
and each of these wheels
have these tiny rollers on them
546
00:25:43,342 --> 00:25:45,312
and what this allows
this robot to do
547
00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,284
is essentially it allows
it to drive sideways
548
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:49,253
as well as forwards,
as well as turn,
549
00:25:49,281 --> 00:25:50,751
without having
to do anything
550
00:25:50,783 --> 00:25:52,253
like parallel
parking maneuvers.
551
00:25:52,284 --> 00:25:53,624
So that makes these robots
552
00:25:53,653 --> 00:25:55,223
extremely versatile
in their motion.
553
00:25:55,688 --> 00:25:56,918
To kick the ball,
554
00:25:56,956 --> 00:25:59,186
what these robots have
is a main kicker,
555
00:25:59,225 --> 00:26:01,185
which slides
the length of the robot
556
00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:02,327
and kicks the ball forward.
557
00:26:02,361 --> 00:26:04,061
We also have a chip kicker,
558
00:26:04,096 --> 00:26:05,726
which can kick the ball upward
559
00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:08,095
and that makes the
ball go up into the air.
560
00:26:09,368 --> 00:26:11,868
Werner: These robots
are autonomous.
561
00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:15,044
Nobody steers them
with a joystick.
562
00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:22,082
Joydeep Biswas: Once a defender
is in place,
563
00:26:22,114 --> 00:26:25,624
it'll be a bit more challenging
for this robot to score.
564
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,227
RoboCup this year we have
not let in a single goal,
565
00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:40,234
although we scored
48 goals in total
566
00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:41,826
against our opponents.
567
00:26:41,868 --> 00:26:43,338
Werner: So you are
world champion?
568
00:26:43,369 --> 00:26:44,739
We are.
569
00:26:44,771 --> 00:26:46,011
We came first this year
570
00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:48,878
in the RoboCup
international competition.
571
00:26:49,676 --> 00:26:51,906
The blue robots need to
have an indirect free kick
572
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:53,784
so they're figuring out
how they should pass
573
00:26:53,813 --> 00:26:55,013
between themselves.
574
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:58,745
Werner: Could this
team eventually beat
575
00:26:58,785 --> 00:27:01,245
the real Brazilian
football team?
576
00:27:01,754 --> 00:27:03,694
Joydeep: That is the goal
of RoboCup.
577
00:27:03,723 --> 00:27:05,663
That is, by 2050
578
00:27:05,692 --> 00:27:08,662
to have a team
of soccer playing robots
579
00:27:08,695 --> 00:27:11,255
which can defeat
the FIFA world champions.
580
00:27:11,297 --> 00:27:13,667
And we'll
see it happen.
581
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:15,400
I'm very hopeful
582
00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:17,304
that we'll actually get
a team of robots
583
00:27:17,336 --> 00:27:21,406
which are competent enough
and smart and intelligent enough
584
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,180
to actually beat the
world champions in 2050.
585
00:27:24,210 --> 00:27:28,450
Werner: Better than Messi,
Ronaldo and Neymar?
586
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,020
Um, it sounds difficult
but we can get there.
587
00:27:32,451 --> 00:27:33,491
We can get there.
588
00:27:34,453 --> 00:27:37,423
We have a certain
reverence for robot 8.
589
00:27:37,456 --> 00:27:40,186
I mean, to us, saying
robot 8 is equivalent
590
00:27:40,226 --> 00:27:43,226
to someone saying Messi
or Ronaldo or something -
591
00:27:43,262 --> 00:27:44,702
it's the same.
592
00:27:55,074 --> 00:27:56,744
This here is robot 8.
593
00:27:56,776 --> 00:27:58,276
It's very
identifiable because
594
00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:03,080
its pattern includes four
green dots on top and it's...
595
00:28:03,916 --> 00:28:05,986
one of our favorites, actually.
596
00:28:06,218 --> 00:28:07,888
Werner: Beautiful.
597
00:28:08,154 --> 00:28:09,324
Do you love it?
598
00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:10,885
Yes, we do.
599
00:28:11,323 --> 00:28:13,093
We do love robot 8.
(chuckles)
600
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:28,939
The day Nikki passed away
601
00:28:28,975 --> 00:28:31,475
we were scheduled
to see a psychiatrist.
602
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:33,810
She'd had some...
603
00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,750
psychotic issues where she had
604
00:28:36,783 --> 00:28:38,753
a brain tumor when
she was very young
605
00:28:38,785 --> 00:28:41,215
and it was time to do
some research on her.
606
00:28:41,854 --> 00:28:44,224
I think she was
feeling nervous
607
00:28:44,256 --> 00:28:47,026
that if she were
to go to this appointment
608
00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,499
she might get
stuck in hospital
609
00:28:49,528 --> 00:28:51,298
because that had
happened before.
610
00:28:51,831 --> 00:28:54,101
And at some point
611
00:28:54,133 --> 00:28:56,873
a couple hours
before her appointment,
612
00:28:57,203 --> 00:28:59,843
she left the house.
613
00:28:59,872 --> 00:29:04,442
She took Christos'
Porsche and drove away.
614
00:29:04,844 --> 00:29:07,114
I saw all the police
615
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,049
and I started to walk down
616
00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:11,421
the on-ramp
and they stopped me
617
00:29:11,884 --> 00:29:14,124
and they said
I wasn't allowed down there.
618
00:29:14,553 --> 00:29:17,263
And I asked if it was
my daughter in the car,
619
00:29:17,289 --> 00:29:18,789
what car it was,
620
00:29:18,825 --> 00:29:20,385
and they wouldn't give me
any information.
621
00:29:20,893 --> 00:29:23,863
and then a crane
lifted up the car
622
00:29:23,896 --> 00:29:25,426
and once it
lifted up the car,
623
00:29:25,464 --> 00:29:27,774
I realized it
was the Porsche.
624
00:29:28,968 --> 00:29:30,798
Werner: Adding to the tragedy,
625
00:29:30,837 --> 00:29:33,107
the first responder
took photos
626
00:29:33,139 --> 00:29:36,179
of the nearly decapitated
head of the girl
627
00:29:36,442 --> 00:29:38,412
and emailed it to some friends.
628
00:29:38,444 --> 00:29:42,414
Almost instantly the pictures
were out on the internet,
629
00:29:42,448 --> 00:29:44,248
and hundreds of thousands,
630
00:29:44,283 --> 00:29:47,223
possibly millions,
clicked on them.
631
00:29:48,054 --> 00:29:52,994
Hoping to avoid a new
wave of sick curiosity,
632
00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:56,555
we are here not even showing
a picture of Nikki alive,
633
00:29:56,595 --> 00:29:59,825
only a place in the house
she liked.
634
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:05,200
Up until I saw the
pictures on the internet
635
00:30:05,504 --> 00:30:07,344
I had an image of Nikki...
636
00:30:09,075 --> 00:30:10,375
as a perfect...
637
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:14,210
as a perfect face,
perfect, uh...
638
00:30:15,347 --> 00:30:16,477
condition.
639
00:30:16,916 --> 00:30:18,176
The coroner told us,
640
00:30:18,217 --> 00:30:20,087
the only thing
the coroner told us
641
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:21,889
is that a portion of her thumb
642
00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:24,961
had been severed
in the accident
643
00:30:25,357 --> 00:30:26,987
and that she
had head trauma,
644
00:30:27,026 --> 00:30:28,996
but they never
gave us any detail.
645
00:30:29,028 --> 00:30:31,958
So I always focused
on the thumb.
646
00:30:32,364 --> 00:30:36,244
I received emails with
the pictures attached
647
00:30:38,104 --> 00:30:42,274
and it was a short
time after the accident.
648
00:30:43,475 --> 00:30:44,905
Um...
649
00:30:46,045 --> 00:30:49,115
It was disguised. I didn't know
who the email came from,
650
00:30:49,949 --> 00:30:51,279
and I opened it up.
651
00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:57,415
And the bad ones
were very, um... hateful,
652
00:30:57,689 --> 00:31:01,059
very hateful... towards me,
653
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:03,263
towards Nikki,
towards our family.
654
00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:06,025
It said "Dead girl walking.
655
00:31:06,065 --> 00:31:08,195
Woo hoo, daddy,
I'm still alive".
656
00:31:08,968 --> 00:31:10,198
Werner: Woo hoo?
657
00:31:10,236 --> 00:31:11,236
Woo hoo.
658
00:31:13,272 --> 00:31:15,472
Werner: Do you
still feel the pain
659
00:31:15,507 --> 00:31:17,207
when you received this?
660
00:31:17,243 --> 00:31:18,313
Yes.
661
00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,354
Werner: And it's never
gonna leave you?
662
00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:21,449
Never.
663
00:31:25,051 --> 00:31:26,921
Werner: Some of the hate mail
664
00:31:26,953 --> 00:31:29,623
was so unspeakably horrifying
665
00:31:29,655 --> 00:31:32,015
that we cannot repeat it here.
666
00:31:41,167 --> 00:31:43,567
We were told there was
nothing that could be done
667
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:47,510
because... there's
no law in place
668
00:31:48,307 --> 00:31:49,437
for...
669
00:31:50,176 --> 00:31:52,536
pictures of deceased people
670
00:31:52,578 --> 00:31:54,548
because when
they pass away,
671
00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:57,350
their privacy
rights go with them.
672
00:31:58,284 --> 00:32:02,324
I didn't know such
depravity existed in humans,
673
00:32:02,588 --> 00:32:05,018
and I think dogs
treat their kind
674
00:32:05,057 --> 00:32:07,687
better than humans
treat their kind.
675
00:32:07,726 --> 00:32:10,956
It's just... there is no dignity
676
00:32:10,997 --> 00:32:13,227
or respect on the internet
677
00:32:13,265 --> 00:32:15,065
because we're not
held accountable.
678
00:32:15,101 --> 00:32:17,471
Nobody's there
to tell us not to.
679
00:32:19,071 --> 00:32:22,211
I have always believed
that the internet
680
00:32:22,241 --> 00:32:25,341
is a manifestation
of the antichrist,
681
00:32:25,677 --> 00:32:27,947
of evil itself.
682
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:31,280
It is the spirit of evil.
683
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:42,030
And I feel like it's
running through...
684
00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:46,425
everybody on earth and it's...
685
00:32:46,698 --> 00:32:48,598
claiming its victories
686
00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:51,404
in those people
that are also evil.
687
00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:16,703
Werner: West Virginia,
688
00:33:16,728 --> 00:33:20,028
the small town of Green Bank
in Appalachia.
689
00:33:21,567 --> 00:33:25,097
What you're seeing behind me
is a very large telescope,
690
00:33:25,137 --> 00:33:27,407
a hundred meters in diameter,
691
00:33:27,439 --> 00:33:29,709
but instead of
picking up the light
692
00:33:29,741 --> 00:33:30,981
as normal telescopes do,
693
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:34,209
it picks up the radio waves that
are coming from the universe,
694
00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:37,216
from objects out there
as close as the planets
695
00:33:37,249 --> 00:33:39,619
but as far as
actually the Big Bang.
696
00:33:40,286 --> 00:33:43,086
Werner: The telescope
discovered the black hole
697
00:33:43,122 --> 00:33:46,332
in our own galaxy,
the Milky Way.
698
00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:48,325
In the Visitor Center
699
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,130
you can roll your coins
into a funnel,
700
00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:53,503
which resembles a black hole.
701
00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:59,106
Your coins indeed
disappear irretrievably.
702
00:34:06,212 --> 00:34:08,412
Jay Locman: If there was
a civilization like ours
703
00:34:08,447 --> 00:34:11,447
on a nearby planet, we could
almost certainly pick up
704
00:34:11,483 --> 00:34:14,093
some of their television
stations perhaps,
705
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,660
some of their radar...
who knows what.
706
00:34:16,855 --> 00:34:20,825
This collecting area is
several acres in size
707
00:34:20,859 --> 00:34:24,159
and it can pick up
enormous signals
708
00:34:24,196 --> 00:34:27,296
from an enormous distance,
but they've traveled so far
709
00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:29,273
that they are so faint that
710
00:34:29,301 --> 00:34:31,601
typically they contain
a lot less energy
711
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:33,640
than the energy of
a falling snowflake
712
00:34:33,672 --> 00:34:35,212
settling on the ground.
713
00:34:35,374 --> 00:34:37,384
The enemy of radio astronomy
714
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:41,109
is the natural radio signals
that we make on earth
715
00:34:41,147 --> 00:34:43,877
either deliberately
or accidentally.
716
00:34:43,915 --> 00:34:49,185
Things like microwave
ovens can emit radiation
717
00:34:49,221 --> 00:34:51,121
which can blind us
to the signals
718
00:34:51,157 --> 00:34:52,457
that are coming
from the stars.
719
00:34:52,491 --> 00:34:55,331
Cell phones are billions
of billions of times
720
00:34:55,361 --> 00:34:58,561
stronger than the faint
signals we're looking for.
721
00:34:58,864 --> 00:35:01,674
Satellites, they beam
straight down on us.
722
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:02,870
Werner:
Music stations?
723
00:35:02,901 --> 00:35:04,601
Music stations, yes.
724
00:35:04,636 --> 00:35:05,696
Werner: Playing Elvis?
725
00:35:05,737 --> 00:35:08,207
Playing Elvis.
(laughs)
726
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,780
We've managed to keep
cell phone transmissions out.
727
00:35:11,177 --> 00:35:12,877
Your smart phones
are dumb here;
728
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,451
they just do not work.
729
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,550
We really try to keep
wireless transmissions
730
00:35:17,583 --> 00:35:19,323
of any kind suppressed
731
00:35:19,351 --> 00:35:21,721
within about ten miles
of the observatory.
732
00:35:21,753 --> 00:35:24,563
For a long time we had a fleet
of Checker diesels
733
00:35:24,590 --> 00:35:27,660
and these were the standard
New York City cabs
734
00:35:27,693 --> 00:35:29,633
and they were precious to us
735
00:35:29,661 --> 00:35:32,531
because they were the perfect
vehicle for radio astronomers.
736
00:35:32,564 --> 00:35:35,434
These do not have spark plugs,
they don't make noise.
737
00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:42,736
Werner: In the forest
near the telescope
738
00:35:42,774 --> 00:35:44,884
we met a modern day hermit.
739
00:35:45,411 --> 00:35:47,651
So, see, I've finally
gone high tech.
740
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:49,579
I've got a faucet installed.
741
00:35:52,551 --> 00:35:54,421
It really makes a difference,
I have to say.
742
00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:58,716
I became very ill
from radiation sickness in 1996
743
00:35:59,325 --> 00:36:01,825
and I lost 50 pounds.
744
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:04,300
I nearly died three times
745
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:06,970
and I became reactive
746
00:36:06,998 --> 00:36:10,768
to all the wireless
radiation signals
747
00:36:10,802 --> 00:36:12,942
when all the cell
phones went up.
748
00:36:13,339 --> 00:36:15,809
They went up in massive
numbers in 1996
749
00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:18,705
and I tried to do all
kind of treatment,
750
00:36:18,744 --> 00:36:20,954
I moved, I'd lost my career.
751
00:36:20,979 --> 00:36:23,349
I was working as an architect
in Honolulu.
752
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:26,322
I had to be separated
from my family and children
753
00:36:26,352 --> 00:36:30,392
and finally I heard
about this in 2011
754
00:36:30,722 --> 00:36:31,562
and...
755
00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:34,588
as soon as I heard there was
a place with no cell towers,
756
00:36:34,626 --> 00:36:35,756
I was here in 48 hours.
757
00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:40,725
Sometimes if I have really bad
reactions to radiation,
758
00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:42,932
I actually will sleep
on the ground.
759
00:36:42,968 --> 00:36:44,368
I feel better on the ground.
760
00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:46,003
And there may be
a science to this.
761
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:48,737
They say the ground
emits 7.83 hertz
762
00:36:48,774 --> 00:36:52,644
and it's the natural rhythm
for animals and humans.
763
00:36:52,678 --> 00:36:54,248
I also sleep in my car,
764
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,850
which I instinctively did
in the beginning
765
00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:58,921
and I later learned that it acts
like a partial Faraday Cage.
766
00:36:59,285 --> 00:37:01,385
The metal keeps
out the radiation.
767
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,020
This place in Green
Bank is wonderful.
768
00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,525
It's not perfect but
I can go outside.
769
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,858
I can see the trees,
I can see the sky,
770
00:37:08,894 --> 00:37:10,334
I can see the stars.
771
00:37:10,362 --> 00:37:11,632
When I lived
in the Faraday Cage,
772
00:37:11,663 --> 00:37:14,433
I had to live in a box
and I only left the box
773
00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:16,296
when I wanted
to go to the bathroom
774
00:37:16,335 --> 00:37:17,295
or to use the shower,
775
00:37:17,336 --> 00:37:19,806
otherwise I stayed in
that box day and night.
776
00:37:19,838 --> 00:37:20,938
Werner: In a cage?
777
00:37:20,972 --> 00:37:22,572
In a Faraday Cage.
778
00:37:22,608 --> 00:37:23,678
Werner: How long?
779
00:37:23,709 --> 00:37:25,439
(sighs) A couple years.
780
00:37:25,944 --> 00:37:27,384
Several years.
781
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:29,879
I had a mattress
782
00:37:29,915 --> 00:37:31,675
and I didn't have
a place to stand up.
783
00:37:31,717 --> 00:37:34,447
I had to stay on the
bed the entire time.
784
00:37:34,486 --> 00:37:36,756
My husband went
grocery shopping,
785
00:37:36,788 --> 00:37:38,018
he cooked the food,
786
00:37:38,056 --> 00:37:39,756
he would bring and
serve me the food.
787
00:37:39,791 --> 00:37:42,061
We'd open the door,
he'd hand me the plate
788
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:43,903
and I'd eat inside
the Faraday Cage.
789
00:37:44,563 --> 00:37:47,433
I've heard it also
called as a super sense,
790
00:37:47,466 --> 00:37:50,336
that we just have
this ability to,
791
00:37:50,369 --> 00:37:52,839
for whatever reason,
feel these frequencies.
792
00:37:52,871 --> 00:37:55,041
It's a very
legitimate illness.
793
00:37:55,073 --> 00:37:58,343
But at this point I
don't consider it a gift.
794
00:37:58,377 --> 00:38:00,777
I would give anything
to give it back.
795
00:38:02,348 --> 00:38:04,418
Werner: You're the refugee now?
796
00:38:07,386 --> 00:38:11,586
I... Yes, I don't know
what to call myself.
797
00:38:12,758 --> 00:38:14,428
This is brand new
798
00:38:15,026 --> 00:38:16,526
and I just want people
799
00:38:16,562 --> 00:38:18,962
to know that
this type of illness
800
00:38:18,997 --> 00:38:21,667
- and doctors - I really
want them to hear
801
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:23,640
that this is a
legitimate illness.
802
00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:29,109
Um, and it affects our lives
tremendously, you have no idea.
803
00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:31,680
When you go home today
after this interview,
804
00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:34,410
you have the luxury
of going home
805
00:38:34,446 --> 00:38:36,446
to your familiar
surroundings.
806
00:38:36,915 --> 00:38:40,445
You have that luxury to
go back to your families.
807
00:38:40,886 --> 00:38:45,316
I haven't had that in
four and a half years.
808
00:38:45,991 --> 00:38:48,861
I haven't had any stability.
809
00:38:49,895 --> 00:38:52,425
And I just have to
impress upon you
810
00:38:52,464 --> 00:38:55,734
how serious this is for those
of us that are suffering.
811
00:38:56,535 --> 00:38:58,595
And I'm extremely grateful
812
00:38:58,904 --> 00:39:00,844
that there is a location here
813
00:39:00,872 --> 00:39:02,942
where I am no longer in pain.
814
00:39:03,642 --> 00:39:07,412
Or whatever type of
irreparable harm may be
815
00:39:07,446 --> 00:39:08,946
being done to my body
816
00:39:09,481 --> 00:39:13,491
will be either suspended
or temporarily arrested.
817
00:39:27,766 --> 00:39:30,766
Jay Locman: There's a lot more
community interaction
818
00:39:30,802 --> 00:39:31,672
in a place like this.
819
00:39:32,938 --> 00:39:35,508
I think because of the absence
of cellular technology and also
820
00:39:35,541 --> 00:39:39,141
because of the isolation
of a rural community
821
00:39:39,177 --> 00:39:40,907
in such a beautiful place
like this.
822
00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:44,576
And, yes, I do play the fiddle
and the banjo at night.
823
00:39:45,551 --> 00:39:48,851
* (music plays)
824
00:40:11,677 --> 00:40:13,677
* My old lady
gets mad at me *
825
00:40:13,712 --> 00:40:15,482
* She gets hotter
than her tea *
826
00:40:15,514 --> 00:40:17,184
* She is good
and she is bad *
827
00:40:17,215 --> 00:40:19,515
* She can be the devil
when she gets mad *
828
00:40:19,551 --> 00:40:20,791
* Goin' up t' Cripple
Creek, goin' on a run *
829
00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:22,819
* Goin' up t' Cripple
Creek, have a little fun *
830
00:40:22,854 --> 00:40:24,664
* Raise my britches
high to my knees *
831
00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:26,860
* Wade in ol' Cripple
Creek when I please *
832
00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:43,010
(birds chirping)
833
00:40:43,041 --> 00:40:46,211
Werner: The state of Washington
across the continent,
834
00:40:46,244 --> 00:40:49,724
in an idyllic forest
not far from Seattle,
835
00:40:49,748 --> 00:40:52,618
a rehab center for
internet addiction
836
00:40:52,651 --> 00:40:55,651
named Restart
was established.
837
00:40:58,924 --> 00:41:03,864
Well, there are so many
of these severe cases.
838
00:41:04,262 --> 00:41:06,632
For instance in South
Korea there was the case
839
00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:08,865
of a couple that
had a young baby
840
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:12,000
and they were very much
addicted to a game
841
00:41:12,037 --> 00:41:15,637
that they went to play while
neglecting their child at home.
842
00:41:15,674 --> 00:41:18,544
And this baby eventually
starved to death
843
00:41:18,577 --> 00:41:20,677
and they went
to jail for this,
844
00:41:20,712 --> 00:41:23,652
but it is because they
were hooked on a game
845
00:41:23,682 --> 00:41:25,282
and ironically it
was a game in which
846
00:41:25,316 --> 00:41:30,116
they were taking care of
and nurturing in the game
847
00:41:30,155 --> 00:41:31,155
a young girl,
848
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:33,590
but as they were doing that
849
00:41:33,625 --> 00:41:36,055
their own child was
starving to death.
850
00:41:37,763 --> 00:41:39,573
Shortly after
we opened Restart,
851
00:41:39,598 --> 00:41:41,568
we got a call from a stepmom.
852
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,300
Her stepson was living
with his grandmother
853
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,865
and had just had
his leg amputated
854
00:41:46,905 --> 00:41:50,205
because he'd developed
a thrombosis in his leg
855
00:41:50,241 --> 00:41:51,981
from lack of movement.
856
00:41:52,644 --> 00:41:56,884
So we know of cases,
many cases happening
857
00:41:56,915 --> 00:42:00,285
in Korea and China,
people who are dying
858
00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:02,748
at the computer because
they are playing for
859
00:42:02,788 --> 00:42:05,618
40, 50, 60 hours at a time
860
00:42:05,657 --> 00:42:10,097
and completely neglecting
their body's physical needs.
861
00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:12,632
Werner: It is not uncommon
862
00:42:12,664 --> 00:42:17,974
that in South Korea teenage
video gamers put on diapers.
863
00:42:18,236 --> 00:42:21,066
This way they avoid
losing points
864
00:42:21,106 --> 00:42:22,906
by going to the bathroom.
865
00:42:34,052 --> 00:42:37,322
Werner: Tom, you do not need
any further introduction.
866
00:42:37,355 --> 00:42:38,815
This was great.
867
00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:44,763
My lowest point
868
00:42:44,796 --> 00:42:46,966
came at the beginning
of this year.
869
00:42:47,398 --> 00:42:50,038
New Year's Eve
I had lost a job,
870
00:42:50,235 --> 00:42:53,565
I was losing my
girlfriend, my family,
871
00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:55,669
my relations
were very strained
872
00:42:55,874 --> 00:42:57,944
and I tried to drink
myself to death.
873
00:42:58,243 --> 00:42:59,143
Werner: Suicide?
874
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:02,348
I was playing video
games 16 hours a day,
875
00:43:02,380 --> 00:43:03,820
often drunk.
876
00:43:04,015 --> 00:43:05,975
I watched porn a lot
877
00:43:06,985 --> 00:43:09,015
and I just had given up.
878
00:43:09,054 --> 00:43:11,894
I had no future,
I had no will to live.
879
00:43:12,123 --> 00:43:14,793
I was just waiting for
the timer to run out.
880
00:43:16,427 --> 00:43:20,297
I was in my spring
quarter in college
881
00:43:20,866 --> 00:43:23,266
and I was doing
nothing except
882
00:43:23,301 --> 00:43:25,701
sleeping about
six hours a day
883
00:43:25,737 --> 00:43:27,037
and playing video games
884
00:43:27,072 --> 00:43:29,682
and absolutely not attending
any of my classes,
885
00:43:29,708 --> 00:43:31,078
not doing
any of my work
886
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:33,339
and lying to my parents
about my progress.
887
00:43:33,879 --> 00:43:36,379
So it was a lot of
lying, manipulation,
888
00:43:36,414 --> 00:43:38,324
isolation especially,
889
00:43:38,349 --> 00:43:40,389
which are all common
things for addicts
890
00:43:40,418 --> 00:43:43,088
but mine were pretty much sleep
891
00:43:43,121 --> 00:43:47,031
and you know, interact
with my addiction.
892
00:43:47,358 --> 00:43:49,428
Werner: Did you adopt
certain characters
893
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:51,800
that became almost like you?
894
00:43:53,131 --> 00:43:54,631
(sighs)
895
00:43:54,933 --> 00:43:56,773
I'm not sure I'm
comfortable with that
896
00:43:56,802 --> 00:43:58,172
'cause I'm still in the phase
897
00:43:58,203 --> 00:44:01,743
where thinking too deeply
about my own intricacies
898
00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:04,283
could set me off,
could really start
899
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:08,909
that cravings and start those
withdrawal symptoms again.
900
00:44:10,315 --> 00:44:11,345
Werner: I wanted very much
901
00:44:11,382 --> 00:44:14,692
to discuss fictional characters
with Chloe,
902
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,920
like the malevolent
Druid Dwarf
903
00:44:17,956 --> 00:44:21,826
or whoever these figures are,
but I had to desist.
904
00:44:26,965 --> 00:44:29,065
(birds chirping)
905
00:44:32,037 --> 00:44:36,807
The real danger
to gaming is when...
906
00:44:38,076 --> 00:44:40,676
you... or when I stopped
907
00:44:41,913 --> 00:44:44,723
being present in the real world
908
00:44:46,017 --> 00:44:48,817
more often than I was
in the game world.
909
00:44:50,856 --> 00:44:51,886
If...
910
00:44:52,323 --> 00:44:55,233
If you get to the point where...
911
00:44:56,828 --> 00:44:58,128
you're thinking about the game
912
00:44:58,163 --> 00:45:00,203
more than you're
thinking about real life -
913
00:45:00,231 --> 00:45:02,071
what you're gonna do for food,
914
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:04,740
what you're gonna do
the next day or two,
915
00:45:05,236 --> 00:45:07,436
you're not thinking
about a relationship
916
00:45:07,472 --> 00:45:09,372
or a job or a career.
917
00:45:09,975 --> 00:45:11,835
If you're thinking
about the game...
918
00:45:12,477 --> 00:45:14,107
it's a problem...
919
00:45:14,846 --> 00:45:18,146
because eventually it'll get
in the way of everything real.
920
00:45:35,433 --> 00:45:38,243
Werner: Our sun,
the giver of life.
921
00:45:41,506 --> 00:45:45,306
At the same time it is
hostile, destructive.
922
00:45:45,877 --> 00:45:49,477
Protuberances
unimaginable in size
923
00:45:49,514 --> 00:45:52,124
are being hurled
into the universe.
924
00:45:52,417 --> 00:45:57,187
These flares may become the
undoing of modern civilization.
925
00:45:58,523 --> 00:46:00,133
The best known
historical example
926
00:46:00,158 --> 00:46:02,828
of a very large solar
flare is an event
927
00:46:02,861 --> 00:46:07,331
called the Carrington event
which happened in 1859.
928
00:46:07,833 --> 00:46:09,203
This was observed
by an astronomer
929
00:46:09,234 --> 00:46:12,374
named Carrington who
saw a patch of the sun
930
00:46:12,403 --> 00:46:15,113
as he was monitoring sun
spots, grow brighter.
931
00:46:18,376 --> 00:46:22,146
In those days, the predominant
form of technology
932
00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:25,280
was a telegraph, that was
our main form of communication,
933
00:46:25,583 --> 00:46:27,893
and this very, very large flare
934
00:46:27,919 --> 00:46:30,489
that happened,
that created a brightness change
935
00:46:30,521 --> 00:46:32,591
so great that Carrington
could actually
936
00:46:32,623 --> 00:46:35,033
see it with his eye,
which is very uncommon,
937
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:37,930
actually induced
currents in telegraph wires
938
00:46:37,963 --> 00:46:41,233
that created fires in the paper
of the telegraph machines.
939
00:46:41,466 --> 00:46:44,936
There's even reports from
that time of Aurora being
940
00:46:44,970 --> 00:46:47,370
seen as far south
as the equator,
941
00:46:47,572 --> 00:46:50,042
and there being
Auroras so bright
942
00:46:50,075 --> 00:46:51,575
at the Northern latitudes that
943
00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:53,909
it was possible to
read by them at night.
944
00:46:55,914 --> 00:46:57,084
We've been fortunate
945
00:46:57,115 --> 00:46:58,915
that nothing as large
as the Carrington Event
946
00:46:58,950 --> 00:47:02,020
has happened in these times
of modern technology
947
00:47:02,053 --> 00:47:05,023
but even the smaller
solar flare events
948
00:47:05,056 --> 00:47:07,986
that we do see
do disrupt our communications
949
00:47:08,026 --> 00:47:11,056
and create outages
in our power grid
950
00:47:11,096 --> 00:47:13,226
and disruptions
for our satellites.
951
00:47:15,566 --> 00:47:22,136
(people gasping and screaming)
952
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:25,609
Werner: New York City.
953
00:47:25,643 --> 00:47:28,213
What Hurricane Sandy
caused here
954
00:47:28,246 --> 00:47:31,576
could happen on a worldwide
scale and much worse.
955
00:47:32,017 --> 00:47:34,617
No electricity, no internet,
956
00:47:34,652 --> 00:47:37,622
no drinking water,
no flushing of toilets,
957
00:47:37,655 --> 00:47:39,985
no gas and no shopping.
958
00:47:40,959 --> 00:47:42,329
News Reporter: All you could see
was the outline
959
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,200
of the hospital
against a darkened sky.
960
00:47:44,229 --> 00:47:46,499
A lone flashlight up in one
of the hospital rooms there
961
00:47:46,531 --> 00:47:49,471
as doctors and nurses rushed
from patient to patient.
962
00:47:49,968 --> 00:47:51,338
Out front, ambulances.
963
00:47:51,369 --> 00:47:54,109
These images from my iPhone
as we approach the hospital,
964
00:47:54,139 --> 00:47:56,269
just one of the nearly
300 patients who were
965
00:47:56,307 --> 00:47:58,877
one by one brought
out and taken to safety.
966
00:47:59,177 --> 00:48:00,947
- (alarms blaring)
- What we got going on here
967
00:48:00,979 --> 00:48:03,379
is a complete blackout
in New York City, and um...
968
00:48:03,982 --> 00:48:05,882
I'm on the third floor
of Clear Channel
969
00:48:06,151 --> 00:48:10,261
where Z100, KTU, Lite FM, Q,
970
00:48:10,288 --> 00:48:12,318
we're all located
on the third floor.
971
00:48:12,357 --> 00:48:15,227
Every station is off the
air in New York City.
972
00:48:16,027 --> 00:48:18,527
I don't think it's ever
happened in the history
973
00:48:18,563 --> 00:48:21,003
of broadcasting in New York.
974
00:48:21,232 --> 00:48:23,302
It's like
a Will Smith movie, man.
975
00:48:23,701 --> 00:48:25,641
It's very weird. Very weird.
976
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:27,940
And I feel kind of
helpless because
977
00:48:27,973 --> 00:48:29,343
I'm glad I'm here and I'm safe,
978
00:48:29,374 --> 00:48:32,684
but there's a lot of crap
going on at home.
979
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:34,410
My neighbors tell me
it's a big mess.
980
00:48:34,445 --> 00:48:37,445
So I'm nervous about what I'm
gonna head home to tomorrow.
981
00:48:38,583 --> 00:48:39,683
Wassup?
982
00:48:39,717 --> 00:48:42,187
This is a control room.
983
00:48:46,992 --> 00:48:48,592
Werner: Meet Lawrence Krauss.
984
00:48:48,994 --> 00:48:50,434
As a cosmologist
985
00:48:50,461 --> 00:48:54,071
he is studying the origins
of our universe.
986
00:48:54,099 --> 00:48:58,339
Much of his attention
has been focused on our planet.
987
00:48:59,037 --> 00:49:00,267
Lawrence Krauss: If there's
a solar flare...
988
00:49:00,305 --> 00:49:05,935
if you destroyed the information
fabric of the world right now,
989
00:49:06,344 --> 00:49:08,514
modern civilization
would collapse.
990
00:49:09,347 --> 00:49:11,177
Hundreds of millions of people
will die.
991
00:49:11,216 --> 00:49:13,216
Billions of people will die.
992
00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:15,515
The world will become,
993
00:49:15,553 --> 00:49:18,593
for people like you and me,
994
00:49:18,623 --> 00:49:21,563
unimaginably ugly, difficult,
995
00:49:21,592 --> 00:49:22,632
and...
996
00:49:23,628 --> 00:49:26,198
there's great likelihood
that I couldn't survive.
997
00:49:27,632 --> 00:49:29,432
If the internet shuts down,
998
00:49:30,135 --> 00:49:33,565
people will not remember how
they used to live before that.
999
00:49:39,377 --> 00:49:43,147
I start to think of Maslow's
hierarchy of needs.
1000
00:49:43,181 --> 00:49:46,121
I mean, let's get back
to the base of the pyramid
1001
00:49:46,151 --> 00:49:48,321
and think about
food and shelter.
1002
00:49:48,786 --> 00:49:51,216
You have food networks
that are hugely
1003
00:49:51,256 --> 00:49:53,756
dependent on being
able to route digitally
1004
00:49:53,791 --> 00:49:55,691
what the needs are and where
1005
00:49:55,726 --> 00:49:57,756
and, through efficiencies
created
1006
00:49:57,795 --> 00:49:59,295
when the network
is working well,
1007
00:49:59,330 --> 00:50:01,100
you don't have
warehouses near people
1008
00:50:01,132 --> 00:50:03,132
stocked to the brim with food.
1009
00:50:03,168 --> 00:50:06,568
If you disrupt those
networks I imagine,
1010
00:50:06,604 --> 00:50:07,574
what do they say?
1011
00:50:07,605 --> 00:50:10,175
"Civilization is always
about four square meals
1012
00:50:10,208 --> 00:50:12,508
away from utter ruin"?
1013
00:50:12,543 --> 00:50:13,683
That's something
1014
00:50:14,279 --> 00:50:16,709
that it wouldn't be bad
to prepare for.
1015
00:50:17,582 --> 00:50:21,052
As we've thought about
an internet of things
1016
00:50:21,086 --> 00:50:22,816
where often for purely,
1017
00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:25,563
looked at at this moment,
unnecessary reasons,
1018
00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:29,360
we not only attach daily
objects to the internet
1019
00:50:29,394 --> 00:50:32,564
but make them reliant on
that internet connection
1020
00:50:32,597 --> 00:50:34,297
in order to
function properly.
1021
00:50:34,332 --> 00:50:36,472
So the idea that our
standard appliances
1022
00:50:36,501 --> 00:50:39,541
couldn't work
without connectivity,
1023
00:50:40,405 --> 00:50:42,735
that we wouldn't be able
to get...
1024
00:50:43,474 --> 00:50:46,144
to a restaurant
that in turn wouldn't be able
1025
00:50:46,177 --> 00:50:49,147
to get to food
and to organize staff...
1026
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,850
I suspect, however,
1027
00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:52,551
that some individuals
will survive.
1028
00:50:52,583 --> 00:50:56,453
Let us remember that we
come from a background
1029
00:50:56,487 --> 00:50:58,257
where at one point
1030
00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:01,759
there were less than a thousand
individuals alive,
1031
00:51:02,193 --> 00:51:05,763
probably down in the
southern part of Africa,
1032
00:51:05,796 --> 00:51:08,766
and we were a
hair's breadth away
1033
00:51:08,799 --> 00:51:10,739
from disappearing
as a species.
1034
00:51:11,636 --> 00:51:13,536
Lucianne Walkowicz:
We have no control over
1035
00:51:13,571 --> 00:51:15,171
what the sun chooses to do.
1036
00:51:15,206 --> 00:51:17,506
We do know that
there is a solar cycle,
1037
00:51:17,542 --> 00:51:19,442
so there are times
of high activity
1038
00:51:19,477 --> 00:51:21,847
when there are many flares and
there times of low activity
1039
00:51:21,879 --> 00:51:23,249
when there are
relatively few.
1040
00:51:24,382 --> 00:51:25,482
Events like the
Carrington Event appear
1041
00:51:25,516 --> 00:51:29,446
to be fairly uncommon
but not non-existent,
1042
00:51:29,487 --> 00:51:31,387
they're not single
isolated events.
1043
00:51:31,422 --> 00:51:33,122
We do see that flares
are repeatable,
1044
00:51:33,158 --> 00:51:35,688
it's just that the large
ones are less common
1045
00:51:35,726 --> 00:51:37,126
than the small ones.
1046
00:51:37,528 --> 00:51:40,198
So by observing
other stars actually
1047
00:51:40,231 --> 00:51:42,471
we can get some idea
of how frequently
1048
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:44,370
these things happen
and it seems to be
1049
00:51:44,402 --> 00:51:46,342
every few hundred
years or so.
1050
00:51:46,371 --> 00:51:48,341
So it's really a matter of time
1051
00:51:48,373 --> 00:51:50,243
before we have
a large solar flare.
1052
00:51:50,408 --> 00:51:52,338
- Um, not a matter of...
- Werner: ...it's when.
1053
00:51:52,377 --> 00:51:55,547
Yes, not a matter "if"
we'll have a large solar flare.
1054
00:51:56,381 --> 00:51:58,351
Will we disappear
as a species?
1055
00:51:58,383 --> 00:52:01,793
Again, Werner,
I can't tell you
1056
00:52:01,819 --> 00:52:03,789
because I don't
make predictions.
1057
00:52:03,821 --> 00:52:05,291
It would be...
1058
00:52:05,656 --> 00:52:07,226
unimaginably bad
1059
00:52:07,258 --> 00:52:09,658
and I prefer to not
think about it right now.
1060
00:52:23,374 --> 00:52:25,344
Werner: Las Vegas, Nevada.
1061
00:52:25,376 --> 00:52:29,646
One of the casinos is
preparing to host DefCon,
1062
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,150
the annual convention
of the hacker community.
1063
00:52:33,484 --> 00:52:36,224
In less than two
decades it has grown
1064
00:52:36,254 --> 00:52:38,324
to 20,000 participants.
1065
00:52:38,556 --> 00:52:41,786
At least a thousand
of them will be FBI,
1066
00:52:41,826 --> 00:52:44,956
the CIA, Chinese
secret service,
1067
00:52:44,995 --> 00:52:47,265
and other
interested parties.
1068
00:52:47,565 --> 00:52:49,965
We are about to
meet Kevin Mitnick,
1069
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,540
a demigod among the
community of hackers.
1070
00:52:53,804 --> 00:52:56,244
Just mentioning
his name here
1071
00:52:56,274 --> 00:52:59,284
makes everyone
fall silent in awe.
1072
00:53:01,712 --> 00:53:04,282
Am I proud of being
the world's most famous hacker?
1073
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:08,689
Um... It's a title that's
kind of cool to have,
1074
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,359
but I had a lot of
trials and tribulations
1075
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:13,660
to get to that point.
1076
00:53:13,691 --> 00:53:16,661
A lot of bad things
happened in my life,
1077
00:53:16,694 --> 00:53:18,864
like, for example, going
to a federal prison.
1078
00:53:18,896 --> 00:53:21,426
So it's a title that was earned,
1079
00:53:21,466 --> 00:53:23,326
but I took the hard road.
1080
00:53:24,001 --> 00:53:25,871
When I was a federal fugitive
1081
00:53:26,304 --> 00:53:28,714
I was really concerned obviously
about getting arrested
1082
00:53:28,739 --> 00:53:31,779
so what I did is I hacked
into the cell phone company,
1083
00:53:31,809 --> 00:53:34,349
one of the cell phone
companies in Los Angeles,
1084
00:53:34,379 --> 00:53:36,979
and through what
we call metadata...
1085
00:53:37,014 --> 00:53:38,984
It's interesting
because nowadays
1086
00:53:39,016 --> 00:53:40,846
with the revelations
of Edward Snowden,
1087
00:53:41,486 --> 00:53:44,616
he talked about metadata
being very critical
1088
00:53:44,655 --> 00:53:47,925
in the NSA's ability to
track us and surveil us
1089
00:53:47,958 --> 00:53:49,858
and the NSA says,
oh, it's only metadata,
1090
00:53:49,894 --> 00:53:50,734
it doesn't mean anything.
1091
00:53:50,761 --> 00:53:52,661
Let me tell you
how I was able to use
1092
00:53:52,697 --> 00:53:55,727
metadata to track
the FBI in the 1990s.
1093
00:53:55,766 --> 00:53:58,336
I was able to hack into
the cell phone company
1094
00:53:58,369 --> 00:53:59,999
and I was able to identify
1095
00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:01,637
the phone numbers
that belonged
1096
00:54:01,672 --> 00:54:05,742
to the FBI white collar crime
squad in Los Angeles.
1097
00:54:05,943 --> 00:54:09,583
And I was able
to look at their...
1098
00:54:09,614 --> 00:54:12,324
I couldn't get the
contents of the call
1099
00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:14,620
but I could see who they called
and who called them
1100
00:54:14,652 --> 00:54:17,022
so I was able to get
a lot of intelligence.
1101
00:54:17,054 --> 00:54:18,794
And then what I
was able to do is,
1102
00:54:18,823 --> 00:54:22,493
through this device, I was
able to program this device
1103
00:54:22,527 --> 00:54:24,557
with all the FBI cell
phone numbers
1104
00:54:24,595 --> 00:54:27,665
of the people that were
in charge of my investigation.
1105
00:54:27,698 --> 00:54:29,728
It would start sending me
pager alerts
1106
00:54:29,767 --> 00:54:34,307
that the FBI cell phone is here,
you know, within a mile.
1107
00:54:34,339 --> 00:54:35,769
So what I did that night
is I took
1108
00:54:35,806 --> 00:54:39,376
all my computer
stuff: my floppy disk, my CDs,
1109
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:41,380
anything that's
technology related -
1110
00:54:41,412 --> 00:54:42,752
I put it at a friend's house
1111
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,650
and then I went
to Winchell's Donuts
1112
00:54:45,015 --> 00:54:46,515
and I got a big...
1113
00:54:46,551 --> 00:54:49,691
I think it was a 24 box
of, you know, donuts.
1114
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,790
I took a Sharpie and
wrote "FBI Donuts" on the box,
1115
00:54:52,823 --> 00:54:54,063
I put it in the refrigerator
1116
00:54:54,425 --> 00:54:56,855
and on a big post-it note
outside the refrigerator
1117
00:54:56,894 --> 00:54:59,664
- you know the logo for
Intel says "Intel inside"?
1118
00:54:59,697 --> 00:55:02,797
I put "FBI donuts inside" and
stuck it on the refrigerator.
1119
00:55:02,833 --> 00:55:06,573
And it just so happens
at 6:00 that morning
1120
00:55:07,538 --> 00:55:10,938
I wake up...
And how I wake up is
1121
00:55:10,975 --> 00:55:12,575
I hear somebody
jiggling the door.
1122
00:55:12,610 --> 00:55:14,550
The FBI knocks, they
don't jiggle doors,
1123
00:55:14,579 --> 00:55:16,679
and I go "who is it?"
just instinctively
1124
00:55:16,714 --> 00:55:18,954
because I thought someone
was trying to break in.
1125
00:55:18,983 --> 00:55:20,753
"FBI, open up!
Open up!"
1126
00:55:20,785 --> 00:55:22,685
And they're looking for
anything electronic -
1127
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,490
a computer, a cell phone,
and nothing's there.
1128
00:55:25,856 --> 00:55:28,886
And as soon as one of the guys
gets to the refrigerator...
1129
00:55:28,926 --> 00:55:30,086
(chuckles)
1130
00:55:30,127 --> 00:55:32,057
...he just goes... he goes
"what the fuck?"
1131
00:55:32,096 --> 00:55:33,756
You know, he's pissed because
1132
00:55:33,798 --> 00:55:35,928
they obviously knew I knew
they were coming,
1133
00:55:35,966 --> 00:55:37,736
so they were not happy.
1134
00:55:37,768 --> 00:55:40,668
I was arrested and
I was in court and
1135
00:55:40,705 --> 00:55:42,535
I thought I was going
home that day
1136
00:55:42,573 --> 00:55:45,713
and then this federal prosecutor
tells the judge
1137
00:55:45,743 --> 00:55:49,683
that we not only have to
hold Mr. Mitnick without bail
1138
00:55:49,714 --> 00:55:52,384
but we have to make sure
he can't get to a telephone.
1139
00:55:52,417 --> 00:55:54,717
and I was really paying
attention at this point,
1140
00:55:54,752 --> 00:55:58,122
and then the prosecutor
starts telling the judge
1141
00:55:58,155 --> 00:56:00,585
that if we let
Mr. Mitnick near a telephone,
1142
00:56:00,625 --> 00:56:04,125
he can dial up to NORAD,
dial up the modem,
1143
00:56:04,161 --> 00:56:07,631
whistle into the phone
and launch an ICBM.
1144
00:56:07,865 --> 00:56:10,465
Facing 400 years in prison
1145
00:56:10,501 --> 00:56:11,541
I had nothing to lose.
1146
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:13,999
I ended up being
held in federal prison
1147
00:56:14,038 --> 00:56:17,068
without bail in solitary
confinement for a year.
1148
00:56:17,875 --> 00:56:20,745
Werner: After his
time in solitary,
1149
00:56:20,778 --> 00:56:24,748
Mitnick languished four more
years in federal prison.
1150
00:56:30,688 --> 00:56:33,588
Because the internet
was designed
1151
00:56:33,624 --> 00:56:36,894
for a community
that trusted each other
1152
00:56:37,194 --> 00:56:39,664
it didn't have a lot
of protections in it.
1153
00:56:39,697 --> 00:56:42,097
We didn't worry about
spying on each other,
1154
00:56:42,132 --> 00:56:43,172
for example.
1155
00:56:44,301 --> 00:56:47,511
We didn't worry about
somebody sending out to us spam
1156
00:56:47,538 --> 00:56:49,468
or bad emails or viruses
1157
00:56:49,807 --> 00:56:52,077
because such a person
would have been,
1158
00:56:52,109 --> 00:56:53,579
you know, banned
from the community.
1159
00:56:53,811 --> 00:56:55,881
It would be really nice
when I got a message
1160
00:56:55,913 --> 00:56:57,853
if I knew where the
message came from.
1161
00:56:57,882 --> 00:57:01,192
But the way that the protocols
of the internet work,
1162
00:57:01,218 --> 00:57:03,018
that's fundamentally
impossible.
1163
00:57:03,654 --> 00:57:05,794
And so I kind of have
to look at the message
1164
00:57:05,823 --> 00:57:07,223
and guess, is this
somebody pretending
1165
00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:08,687
to be somebody else.
1166
00:57:09,827 --> 00:57:13,527
We can design systems
that are really anonymous
1167
00:57:13,564 --> 00:57:16,834
or that are utterly identifiable
down to the person
1168
00:57:16,867 --> 00:57:18,767
and it's time
for us to think about
1169
00:57:18,803 --> 00:57:21,673
what contexts we'd
want to support what.
1170
00:57:21,706 --> 00:57:25,036
A system that is utterly
identifiable at all times
1171
00:57:25,075 --> 00:57:26,105
is a nightmare.
1172
00:57:26,143 --> 00:57:28,683
It's exactly what we don't
want to hand a country
1173
00:57:28,713 --> 00:57:30,753
that doesn't embrace
the rule of law -
1174
00:57:31,982 --> 00:57:36,252
ready made for them to
employ with their populace.
1175
00:57:36,286 --> 00:57:41,226
At the same time, a
system that can provide
1176
00:57:41,258 --> 00:57:43,758
no accountability at all...
1177
00:57:43,794 --> 00:57:46,204
We have pockets of that online
1178
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:50,130
and most people do
not find that appealing.
1179
00:57:50,801 --> 00:57:54,641
In any frontier,
before the law gets there,
1180
00:57:54,672 --> 00:57:57,512
there's always people seeking
to take advantage of the system.
1181
00:57:57,808 --> 00:57:59,838
I've seen in the United States,
for instance,
1182
00:57:59,877 --> 00:58:02,977
probably something like five
or six billion identities lost
1183
00:58:03,013 --> 00:58:05,053
but there aren't that
many people in the United States
1184
00:58:05,082 --> 00:58:07,522
which makes everyone a little
inured to it every time.
1185
00:58:07,552 --> 00:58:08,792
What does it really
mean when they hear
1186
00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:10,589
their identity's
been compromised?
1187
00:58:10,621 --> 00:58:13,191
It's not always an identity
compromising totality.
1188
00:58:13,223 --> 00:58:14,963
Sometimes it's just
a small portion of it.
1189
00:58:14,992 --> 00:58:17,602
Your identity comprises
many, many things.
1190
00:58:17,628 --> 00:58:20,728
There is one you and
there are many components
1191
00:58:20,765 --> 00:58:22,595
that represent
you digitally.
1192
00:58:22,633 --> 00:58:24,273
Some compromises
in that system
1193
00:58:24,301 --> 00:58:26,641
have very little impact
on you, and some huge,
1194
00:58:26,671 --> 00:58:29,311
but the line between
your physical life
1195
00:58:29,339 --> 00:58:32,009
and digital life is becoming
far more blurred
1196
00:58:32,042 --> 00:58:35,052
and there will come a point
where the threats online
1197
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:38,619
will hamper your ability
to embrace new technology.
1198
00:58:38,649 --> 00:58:41,089
That's what my colleagues
and I have to push back.
1199
00:58:41,118 --> 00:58:44,918
Governments who can achieve
all the same effects they would
1200
00:58:44,955 --> 00:58:47,925
for international affairs
or foreign affairs
1201
00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:50,288
without having to
rely on tools of war...
1202
00:58:50,327 --> 00:58:53,327
it's another tool at
the table, right?
1203
00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:55,973
War is an extension of
politics by other means?
1204
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,800
Well, now there's another
one with much less risk,
1205
00:58:58,836 --> 00:59:01,566
easier to fund, and
it puts even some
1206
00:59:01,606 --> 00:59:03,906
smaller nation states
on the same playing field
1207
00:59:03,941 --> 00:59:04,881
as larger ones.
1208
00:59:04,909 --> 00:59:07,649
So dozens of nation
states have an ability
1209
00:59:07,678 --> 00:59:09,808
to hack others and
they use this
1210
00:59:09,847 --> 00:59:11,717
as an extension
of foreign policy.
1211
00:59:20,958 --> 00:59:22,788
Werner: We became curious
to look
1212
00:59:22,827 --> 00:59:27,097
into the biggest cyber attack
known until today.
1213
00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:32,799
Werner: You were at
the Sandia National Laboratory.
1214
00:59:32,837 --> 00:59:36,107
What sort of a company is
Sandia, can you explain?
1215
00:59:36,641 --> 00:59:39,141
Sure. Sandia
National Laboratories
1216
00:59:39,309 --> 00:59:42,009
is a government
research laboratory,
1217
00:59:42,346 --> 00:59:44,876
a Department of Energy
Research laboratory
1218
00:59:45,115 --> 00:59:49,785
that does work in the
national interests:
1219
00:59:50,254 --> 00:59:51,724
weapons work,
1220
00:59:52,322 --> 00:59:55,162
there's solar energy research,
1221
00:59:55,726 --> 00:59:57,896
micro machine research,
1222
00:59:59,129 --> 01:00:00,999
cyber security research,
1223
01:00:01,666 --> 01:00:03,726
those sorts of endeavors.
1224
01:00:03,768 --> 01:00:05,198
Werner: Nuclear weapons?
1225
01:00:06,036 --> 01:00:07,706
Nuclear weapons, yep.
1226
01:00:07,738 --> 01:00:10,038
It's part of the nuclear
weapons complex
1227
01:00:10,374 --> 01:00:12,814
for stockpile stewardship
along with some
1228
01:00:12,843 --> 01:00:14,983
of the other laboratories
just to ensure
1229
01:00:15,012 --> 01:00:18,182
that the weapons
will function properly and...
1230
01:00:18,816 --> 01:00:20,946
as they age
through the years.
1231
01:00:21,752 --> 01:00:24,962
Werner: So a wonderful
target for cyber-attacks.
1232
01:00:24,989 --> 01:00:25,889
It is.
1233
01:00:25,923 --> 01:00:27,663
Werner: It can't get any better.
1234
01:00:27,692 --> 01:00:30,802
It's, uh, it has
a big target on it, yes.
1235
01:00:30,828 --> 01:00:33,058
Werner: You stumbled
over a problem?
1236
01:00:33,097 --> 01:00:34,627
A problem, yes.
1237
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:39,270
Terrifying in scope,
basically, you know,
1238
01:00:39,303 --> 01:00:42,413
hundreds of organizations -
1239
01:00:42,439 --> 01:00:45,009
military, defense,
industrial based
1240
01:00:45,042 --> 01:00:48,312
compromised as far
as their networks
1241
01:00:48,345 --> 01:00:51,875
and, you know, just...
1242
01:00:52,817 --> 01:00:55,317
people maintaining
a presence on the network
1243
01:00:55,352 --> 01:00:57,352
for the sole purpose
of siphoning off
1244
01:00:57,387 --> 01:00:58,787
information of value.
1245
01:00:58,989 --> 01:01:01,729
Werner: But we know
World Bank was affected,
1246
01:01:01,759 --> 01:01:05,829
NASA was affected,
military was affected.
1247
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:07,660
That's correct.
1248
01:01:08,999 --> 01:01:11,869
I just cannot talk about it.
I'm sorry.
1249
01:01:11,902 --> 01:01:13,342
(laughs)
1250
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:14,870
Werner: Alright, but...
1251
01:01:15,272 --> 01:01:17,172
we do know a name.
1252
01:01:17,474 --> 01:01:21,114
We do have a beautiful
name: Titan Rain.
1253
01:01:21,145 --> 01:01:22,245
Mm hmm.
1254
01:01:22,279 --> 01:01:24,049
Werner: Can you at least nod?
1255
01:01:24,081 --> 01:01:25,121
Yes.
1256
01:01:26,917 --> 01:01:28,817
Werner: The scope of
our conversation
1257
01:01:28,853 --> 01:01:30,823
was extremely reduced,
1258
01:01:31,088 --> 01:01:33,018
but some
of the information here
1259
01:01:33,057 --> 01:01:36,027
became part
of court proceedings.
1260
01:01:36,060 --> 01:01:38,930
The transcripts
are public record,
1261
01:01:38,963 --> 01:01:42,203
including the name
coined by the FBI.
1262
01:01:44,068 --> 01:01:46,298
Werner: You were not up
at night in the office,
1263
01:01:46,336 --> 01:01:47,936
you were up at night at home?
1264
01:01:47,972 --> 01:01:50,172
Up at night at home, yes.
1265
01:01:50,207 --> 01:01:51,777
Werner: Lots of coffee?
1266
01:01:52,142 --> 01:01:53,742
Lots of coffee.
1267
01:01:54,278 --> 01:01:56,308
Lots of Nicorette.
(laughs)
1268
01:01:57,314 --> 01:02:00,854
Werner: And how rewarding is it
to trail the enemy?
1269
01:02:01,385 --> 01:02:02,985
To find the track?
1270
01:02:03,453 --> 01:02:05,423
It's very rewarding.
1271
01:02:05,455 --> 01:02:06,915
It's like a puzzle,
1272
01:02:06,957 --> 01:02:09,827
finding patterns within chaos
1273
01:02:09,860 --> 01:02:11,230
that shouldn't be there
1274
01:02:11,261 --> 01:02:13,101
and finding these anomalies.
1275
01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:14,970
And once you
scratch the surface,
1276
01:02:14,999 --> 01:02:17,269
you start to put together clues
1277
01:02:17,301 --> 01:02:19,801
and develop a better picture.
1278
01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:22,910
You can be certain
that you're pursuing
1279
01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:25,480
a certain person
or a certain entity
1280
01:02:25,509 --> 01:02:28,049
and it could just be a ghost.
1281
01:02:28,078 --> 01:02:30,378
Until you have
some physical proof,
1282
01:02:30,414 --> 01:02:32,524
you have someone
that kicks a door down
1283
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:34,419
and sees that this is the person
1284
01:02:34,451 --> 01:02:36,051
that's actually
behind the keyboard,
1285
01:02:36,086 --> 01:02:39,056
it can all be a myth
or an illusion.
1286
01:02:39,556 --> 01:02:42,826
It could be, you know,
a layered sort of thing
1287
01:02:42,860 --> 01:02:45,000
or all at once, you know,
1288
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:49,399
just to bring down power,
financial systems,
1289
01:02:49,433 --> 01:02:51,543
and just degrade, corrupt them.
1290
01:02:51,568 --> 01:02:52,998
Sometimes it's even worse,
1291
01:02:53,037 --> 01:02:55,107
rather than bringing it down
you corrupt it
1292
01:02:55,139 --> 01:02:59,139
and undermine faith, let's say,
in the stock market.
1293
01:02:59,176 --> 01:03:02,246
Don't bring it down,
you start altering prices,
1294
01:03:02,279 --> 01:03:04,009
you start altering records,
1295
01:03:04,048 --> 01:03:07,118
and you delete them en masse
1296
01:03:07,151 --> 01:03:10,451
and just cause chaos
so the markets cannot even
1297
01:03:10,487 --> 01:03:12,357
restore and come up for days.
1298
01:03:12,857 --> 01:03:15,127
The possibilities of
taking over spacecraft
1299
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:17,129
and lowering the orbits
of the spacecraft
1300
01:03:17,161 --> 01:03:20,831
so they burn up,
and vital GPS communications
1301
01:03:20,865 --> 01:03:23,265
and other sorts
of communications are...
1302
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:25,440
there's nothing there
to replace them anymore.
1303
01:03:25,469 --> 01:03:28,169
Werner: Could it be
that we are right now already
1304
01:03:28,205 --> 01:03:31,235
in a cyber war
that we don't even notice?
1305
01:03:31,275 --> 01:03:32,275
Sure.
1306
01:03:38,315 --> 01:03:40,415
Kevin Mitnick: It doesn't matter
how much money
1307
01:03:40,450 --> 01:03:42,190
a company invests
in technology.
1308
01:03:42,219 --> 01:03:44,319
You can spend
tens of thousands of dollars
1309
01:03:44,354 --> 01:03:47,624
on your firewall, on your
intrusion prevention systems
1310
01:03:47,657 --> 01:03:50,897
and your spam,
on your anti-virus,
1311
01:03:51,361 --> 01:03:54,871
and if I could just
manipulate one person
1312
01:03:54,899 --> 01:03:56,569
inside that company, I'm in.
1313
01:03:56,967 --> 01:03:59,597
95% of the work, when I used
to do this in the past,
1314
01:03:59,636 --> 01:04:01,566
is research
and finding out about
1315
01:04:01,605 --> 01:04:03,535
the human element
and gathering information
1316
01:04:03,573 --> 01:04:07,613
and emails and their personal
emails and the conference
1317
01:04:07,644 --> 01:04:10,114
that they were just at
and who spoke before them
1318
01:04:10,147 --> 01:04:12,217
and that person's email address
so I can send
1319
01:04:12,249 --> 01:04:15,919
that person
a rigged PDF attachment
1320
01:04:15,953 --> 01:04:17,893
that may look perfectly normal
and forge it
1321
01:04:18,055 --> 01:04:20,585
because I just spoke with
this guy so I'm gonna open it.
1322
01:04:20,624 --> 01:04:22,364
And nothing happens
on my computer
1323
01:04:22,392 --> 01:04:24,362
but in the background
a little Trojan is dropped
1324
01:04:24,394 --> 01:04:27,634
that starts communicating
that allows me access
1325
01:04:27,664 --> 01:04:31,004
and then I, you know,
gather more information.
1326
01:04:31,035 --> 01:04:33,065
I grab his contact book,
1327
01:04:33,103 --> 01:04:36,243
I find the people
that know the information
1328
01:04:36,273 --> 01:04:38,513
that I'm interested
in exploiting,
1329
01:04:38,542 --> 01:04:40,512
and then I send an email
from him
1330
01:04:40,544 --> 01:04:42,514
with the same type of attachment
1331
01:04:42,546 --> 01:04:46,116
and eventually
I have what I want.
1332
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:48,290
People are
the weakest link in security.
1333
01:04:48,953 --> 01:04:50,593
People. Not the technology.
1334
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:53,460
TV: Now through this special
TV offer you can receive
1335
01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:56,090
a Motorola flip phone
with Cellular One service
1336
01:04:56,126 --> 01:04:57,556
for just pennies a day.
1337
01:04:57,594 --> 01:04:59,464
Now everyone
can enjoy the freedom
1338
01:04:59,496 --> 01:05:01,466
of a personal cellular phone.
1339
01:05:01,498 --> 01:05:03,028
You can make a call anywhere...
1340
01:05:03,067 --> 01:05:05,297
Or get a call anytime.
1341
01:05:05,635 --> 01:05:06,595
(chuckles)
1342
01:05:06,636 --> 01:05:09,406
So I'm living in Denver,
Colorado - incidentally
1343
01:05:09,439 --> 01:05:11,479
I'm not living
under the name Kevin Mitnick,
1344
01:05:11,508 --> 01:05:13,338
I'm under the name
of Eric Weiss.
1345
01:05:13,978 --> 01:05:15,148
Why Eric Weiss?
1346
01:05:15,179 --> 01:05:17,549
Because at the time
I was a federal fugitive
1347
01:05:17,581 --> 01:05:18,921
I was hiding from the FBI
1348
01:05:18,949 --> 01:05:23,049
and my idol was Harry Houdini
and that's Houdini's real name,
1349
01:05:23,087 --> 01:05:25,117
so I thought I had
a sense of humor.
1350
01:05:30,494 --> 01:05:33,604
So I call directory assistance,
I get the number to Motorola.
1351
01:05:33,630 --> 01:05:35,430
I'm now talking
to the Vice President
1352
01:05:35,465 --> 01:05:38,495
for Research and Development
for all of Motorola Mobility
1353
01:05:38,535 --> 01:05:41,165
and I go "Hey, this is Rick over
at Arlington Heights"
1354
01:05:41,205 --> 01:05:43,335
because I found out they had
an Arlington Heights facility.
1355
01:05:43,373 --> 01:05:44,983
"I'm looking for
the project manager
1356
01:05:45,009 --> 01:05:46,079
of the MicroTAC".
1357
01:05:46,243 --> 01:05:48,313
And the VP goes "Oh, that's Pam.
1358
01:05:48,345 --> 01:05:50,175
She works for me,
would you like her extension?"
1359
01:05:50,214 --> 01:05:52,554
I go "Sure, give it to me",
and he gives me the extension.
1360
01:05:52,582 --> 01:05:54,152
So my next call is to Pam
1361
01:05:54,184 --> 01:05:56,994
but I don't get her,
I get her outgoing greeting
1362
01:05:57,021 --> 01:05:59,391
on her voicemail and
she told her callers
1363
01:05:59,423 --> 01:06:01,433
that she just left on a two week
vacation,
1364
01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:04,088
the date she's returning, and if
you need any help whatsoever
1365
01:06:04,128 --> 01:06:06,598
please call Alicia
at extension blah, blah, blah.
1366
01:06:07,064 --> 01:06:09,134
So of course my next call
is to Alicia
1367
01:06:09,166 --> 01:06:12,066
and she answers the phone
and I go "Hey, Alicia,
1368
01:06:12,102 --> 01:06:13,742
this is Rick over
at Arlington Heights.
1369
01:06:13,770 --> 01:06:16,070
Did Pam leave on vacation yet?"
1370
01:06:16,106 --> 01:06:17,466
Of course,
I already knew she had.
1371
01:06:17,507 --> 01:06:20,677
And she goes "Yes" and I go
"Well, before she left,
1372
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:23,610
she said that you could
help me get a copy
1373
01:06:23,647 --> 01:06:25,217
of the MicroTAC source code.
1374
01:06:25,249 --> 01:06:26,449
She said you would help me out".
1375
01:06:26,483 --> 01:06:30,393
About five minutes later she
goes "I found the source code".
1376
01:06:31,388 --> 01:06:33,218
You know, she gave me
the release number
1377
01:06:33,257 --> 01:06:34,587
and she goes
"but there's a problem.
1378
01:06:34,624 --> 01:06:38,504
Rick, I'm gonna have to talk
to my security manager
1379
01:06:38,528 --> 01:06:41,128
about what you're asking me
to do. I'll be right back".
1380
01:06:41,165 --> 01:06:42,265
And I go "No, wait, wait!"
1381
01:06:42,299 --> 01:06:45,339
'cause I didn't want her to talk
to any security manager
1382
01:06:45,369 --> 01:06:47,369
because obviously they'd
figure out what's going on.
1383
01:06:47,404 --> 01:06:50,244
About eight minutes later
she comes back on the line.
1384
01:06:50,274 --> 01:06:52,384
I'm nervous, thinking they
hooked up a tape recorder
1385
01:06:52,409 --> 01:06:55,049
and that's gonna be Exhibit A
in the court case later.
1386
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:57,249
And she goes "Rick?"
And I go "uh huh?"
1387
01:06:57,281 --> 01:07:00,221
and she goes "That IP address
1388
01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:02,120
you gave me
to do the file transfer
1389
01:07:02,152 --> 01:07:04,792
is not inside Motorola's campus,
it's outside,
1390
01:07:04,821 --> 01:07:07,291
and because of that
I can't transfer the file
1391
01:07:07,324 --> 01:07:10,294
because we need to use
a special proxy server to do so
1392
01:07:10,327 --> 01:07:11,727
and I don't have an account".
1393
01:07:11,761 --> 01:07:14,161
And I go "Uh huh",
you know and I just go
1394
01:07:14,198 --> 01:07:16,268
"Alright, thank you very much"
1395
01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:19,400
and she goes "Wait, wait,
I have some great news for you".
1396
01:07:19,436 --> 01:07:20,266
I go "what?"
1397
01:07:20,304 --> 01:07:23,744
She goes "My security
manager gave me
1398
01:07:23,773 --> 01:07:26,483
his personal user name
and password
1399
01:07:26,510 --> 01:07:29,280
so I could log onto the proxy
server to send you the file!"
1400
01:07:29,613 --> 01:07:33,153
Motorola had a bunch of
security, technical security,
1401
01:07:33,183 --> 01:07:35,853
but it only took me 15 minutes
with a good gift of gab
1402
01:07:35,885 --> 01:07:37,545
to get the crown jewels.
1403
01:07:37,587 --> 01:07:39,157
So that's how that worked.
1404
01:07:39,189 --> 01:07:41,159
Werner: But you didn't sell it.
It was curiosity.
1405
01:07:41,191 --> 01:07:42,731
- No.
- Werner: It was a sport.
1406
01:07:42,759 --> 01:07:44,129
Trophy.
1407
01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:56,310
Narrator: This is Taurus,
the concept that has evolved
1408
01:07:56,340 --> 01:07:59,510
from the work of these teams
of scientists and engineers.
1409
01:07:59,543 --> 01:08:01,853
They believe
the huge space colony
1410
01:08:01,878 --> 01:08:04,148
could be built
before the year 2000.
1411
01:08:04,448 --> 01:08:07,548
Constructed almost entirely
from ore mined on the moon,
1412
01:08:07,584 --> 01:08:09,794
the Taurus colony
would become home
1413
01:08:09,819 --> 01:08:11,489
for 10,000 people.
1414
01:08:12,222 --> 01:08:13,722
Werner: Ideas of creating
1415
01:08:13,757 --> 01:08:16,087
colonies outside
of planet Earth
1416
01:08:16,293 --> 01:08:18,563
have been around
for a long time.
1417
01:08:19,763 --> 01:08:22,703
The problem of water,
air and shelter
1418
01:08:22,732 --> 01:08:24,532
looks already solved.
1419
01:08:25,502 --> 01:08:29,212
In fact, nothing looks inviting
out there.
1420
01:08:30,174 --> 01:08:32,714
There is a private company,
SpaceX,
1421
01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:36,752
which is pursuing this idea
in practical terms.
1422
01:08:37,414 --> 01:08:41,424
Here rockets are being
assembled for the transport.
1423
01:08:42,352 --> 01:08:45,622
The founder of
SpaceX, Elon Musk,
1424
01:08:45,655 --> 01:08:47,515
is not just a dreamer.
1425
01:08:47,557 --> 01:08:50,227
He made his
fortune with PayPal,
1426
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:52,700
he's building
Tesla electric cars,
1427
01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:54,399
and is now constructing
1428
01:08:54,564 --> 01:08:58,174
the largest factory
for batteries on this planet.
1429
01:08:58,635 --> 01:08:59,935
After setbacks,
1430
01:08:59,969 --> 01:09:03,169
he's now successfully
launching rockets.
1431
01:09:13,683 --> 01:09:16,253
Elon Musk: For the first time
in the history of Earth,
1432
01:09:16,286 --> 01:09:17,446
in 4.5 billion years,
1433
01:09:17,954 --> 01:09:20,824
the window of possibility
is open for us
1434
01:09:20,857 --> 01:09:23,327
to extend life
to another planet.
1435
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,660
To the best of our
knowledge life exists
1436
01:09:26,696 --> 01:09:28,226
only on Earth. You know...
1437
01:09:28,265 --> 01:09:30,265
There's a good argument that
it exists elsewhere
1438
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:31,700
but we've seen no sign of it.
1439
01:09:31,735 --> 01:09:34,465
I think it's important
for us to take advantage
1440
01:09:34,504 --> 01:09:37,274
of that window
while it is open
1441
01:09:37,307 --> 01:09:39,707
and to establish life
1442
01:09:39,876 --> 01:09:41,946
on another planet
in the solar system
1443
01:09:41,978 --> 01:09:45,348
just in case something
goes wrong with Earth.
1444
01:09:45,649 --> 01:09:46,679
Um...
1445
01:09:46,983 --> 01:09:48,183
And, uh...
1446
01:09:49,453 --> 01:09:51,463
You know, there could be either
a natural or manmade disaster
1447
01:09:51,488 --> 01:09:53,888
that knocks the
technology level
1448
01:09:53,923 --> 01:09:56,963
below that where
it's possible
1449
01:09:57,461 --> 01:09:59,461
to travel to another planet.
1450
01:09:59,963 --> 01:10:02,433
The key to establishing
1451
01:10:02,466 --> 01:10:04,266
a self-sustained
large civilization
1452
01:10:04,301 --> 01:10:06,841
is getting
the cost-per-unit-mass
1453
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:10,310
low enough that there's
an intersection of sets:
1454
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:12,510
the set of people that
wish to move to Mars
1455
01:10:12,542 --> 01:10:14,982
and the set of people that
can afford to move to Mars
1456
01:10:15,011 --> 01:10:16,481
inclusive of government aid.
1457
01:10:17,647 --> 01:10:19,647
I mean, right now we can't
even get one person to Mars.
1458
01:10:19,683 --> 01:10:21,753
- So, clearly...
- Werner: I would come along.
1459
01:10:22,352 --> 01:10:23,892
I wouldn't have a problem.
1460
01:10:24,053 --> 01:10:25,993
- Werner: One way ticket.
- That sounds great.
1461
01:10:26,022 --> 01:10:27,692
Werner: I'd be your candidate.
1462
01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:28,894
Okay.
1463
01:10:29,526 --> 01:10:32,596
I do think we'll want to...
1464
01:10:33,363 --> 01:10:34,903
offer round trips because
1465
01:10:35,365 --> 01:10:37,265
a lot more people
would be willing to go
1466
01:10:37,301 --> 01:10:38,941
if they think that
if they don't like it,
1467
01:10:38,968 --> 01:10:40,468
they can come back.
1468
01:10:41,638 --> 01:10:43,738
Werner: But how
would we talk to them
1469
01:10:43,773 --> 01:10:45,313
who chose to stay?
1470
01:10:46,643 --> 01:10:49,513
Who would tell them the
outcome of the World Series?
1471
01:10:51,681 --> 01:10:54,921
Elon: Mars is actually
a comparatively easy
1472
01:10:55,319 --> 01:10:57,019
internet thing to establish,
1473
01:10:57,053 --> 01:10:58,923
at least for
local internet because
1474
01:10:59,556 --> 01:11:02,286
you wouldn't be living
everywhere on Mars
1475
01:11:02,326 --> 01:11:03,786
so you'd really just need
1476
01:11:04,361 --> 01:11:06,901
maybe four
satellites to have
1477
01:11:07,397 --> 01:11:12,667
global internet coverage
because of how sparse
1478
01:11:12,902 --> 01:11:14,672
the civilization
would be on Mars.
1479
01:11:15,104 --> 01:11:18,914
And then some
relay satellites
1480
01:11:18,942 --> 01:11:20,482
to get back to Earth.
1481
01:11:21,611 --> 01:11:23,711
Particularly when Mars
is on the other side of the sun,
1482
01:11:23,747 --> 01:11:26,417
you'd need to sort of bounce it
off a relay satellite,
1483
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:28,420
you couldn't communicate
directly with it.
1484
01:11:29,953 --> 01:11:32,423
Werner: The skyline of Chicago.
1485
01:11:33,957 --> 01:11:36,857
It looks devoid of
its inhabitants.
1486
01:11:37,093 --> 01:11:39,463
We have to assume
that nearly everyone
1487
01:11:39,496 --> 01:11:42,026
has left
for a colony out there.
1488
01:11:42,065 --> 01:11:44,065
* ("Are You Lonesome Tonight"
by Elvis Presley playing) *
1489
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:46,840
* Are you lonesome tonight?
1490
01:11:47,504 --> 01:11:51,614
* Do you miss me tonight?
1491
01:11:52,008 --> 01:11:58,818
* Are you sorry
we drifted apart? *
1492
01:12:01,084 --> 01:12:05,594
* Does your memory stray
1493
01:12:05,622 --> 01:12:07,522
* To a brighter sunny day
1494
01:12:07,557 --> 01:12:11,697
Werner: The planetarium is
the only point of contact.
1495
01:12:11,995 --> 01:12:14,395
Inside, a monument for those
1496
01:12:14,431 --> 01:12:16,401
who have levitated and left.
1497
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,100
Yes, things must be
real good out there.
1498
01:12:20,136 --> 01:12:24,566
* Do the chairs
in your parlor *
1499
01:12:25,475 --> 01:12:28,445
* Seem empty and bare?
1500
01:12:28,478 --> 01:12:30,608
Werner: But then we
met some stragglers
1501
01:12:30,647 --> 01:12:31,617
left behind.
1502
01:12:31,648 --> 01:12:34,518
They're all
on their smartphones.
1503
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,520
Have the monks
stopped meditating?
1504
01:12:39,556 --> 01:12:41,456
Have they
stopped praying?
1505
01:12:41,491 --> 01:12:43,961
They all seem to be tweeting.
1506
01:12:43,993 --> 01:12:48,033
* Shall I come
back again? *
1507
01:12:48,632 --> 01:12:55,772
* Tell me, dear, are you
lonesome tonight? *
1508
01:12:58,174 --> 01:13:01,484
Werner: How could we
communicate with stars out there
1509
01:13:01,511 --> 01:13:03,081
that potentially have life?
1510
01:13:03,713 --> 01:13:07,153
Well, we can think of creating
a kind of long range internet
1511
01:13:07,183 --> 01:13:10,153
either through the use
of radio waves
1512
01:13:10,186 --> 01:13:12,686
or perhaps visible light.
1513
01:13:12,722 --> 01:13:14,862
So these would be
the kinds of signals
1514
01:13:14,891 --> 01:13:17,961
that we could generate in
the case of lower energy signals
1515
01:13:17,994 --> 01:13:20,034
like radio waves
relatively cheaply
1516
01:13:20,063 --> 01:13:22,433
and we could broadcast,
1517
01:13:22,466 --> 01:13:24,566
if we came up
with a suitable code
1518
01:13:25,068 --> 01:13:27,498
some way
of transmitting information
1519
01:13:27,537 --> 01:13:30,037
over galactic
and intergalactic distances.
1520
01:13:30,073 --> 01:13:31,913
Werner: But we would get
an answer back
1521
01:13:31,941 --> 01:13:33,841
in 800,000 years?
1522
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:36,850
Maybe 2.5 million years?
1523
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,920
Well, I think that the
more one looks for
1524
01:13:39,949 --> 01:13:42,919
planets in the universe
beyond our solar system
1525
01:13:42,952 --> 01:13:44,752
that are potentially places
1526
01:13:44,788 --> 01:13:46,488
that might be
hospitable to life,
1527
01:13:46,690 --> 01:13:49,530
the more you appreciate
the wonderful planet
1528
01:13:49,559 --> 01:13:52,059
that we have here that
allows us to do things
1529
01:13:52,095 --> 01:13:53,395
like swim in an ocean,
1530
01:13:53,429 --> 01:13:56,999
breathe the air without
the help of our technology,
1531
01:13:57,033 --> 01:14:01,543
and so, while I would like us
to explore Mars more,
1532
01:14:01,571 --> 01:14:03,571
I think the only thing
that we've demonstrated is
1533
01:14:03,607 --> 01:14:04,507
that we're very good
1534
01:14:04,541 --> 01:14:06,441
at destroying
the habitability of earth,
1535
01:14:06,876 --> 01:14:09,206
rather than improving
the habitability
1536
01:14:09,245 --> 01:14:11,005
of a completely alien world.
1537
01:14:11,715 --> 01:14:14,745
The idea that Mars will
somehow save us
1538
01:14:14,784 --> 01:14:17,094
from the decisions we've made
here is a false one.
1539
01:14:17,253 --> 01:14:19,523
And it's a little like
saying that
1540
01:14:19,556 --> 01:14:22,186
you're going to go live
in the lifeboat when, you know,
1541
01:14:22,225 --> 01:14:24,525
even lifeboats need
somewhere to land.
1542
01:14:40,276 --> 01:14:42,106
I don't think I
have good dreams.
1543
01:14:42,145 --> 01:14:43,975
I'm sure I have
good dreams sometimes,
1544
01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:46,553
but I don't seem to
remember the good dreams.
1545
01:14:47,651 --> 01:14:51,591
The ones that I remember
are the nightmares.
1546
01:14:54,724 --> 01:14:59,564
Werner: The Prussian war
theoretician, Clausewitz,
1547
01:14:59,596 --> 01:15:01,626
Napoleonic times,
1548
01:15:01,665 --> 01:15:03,525
once famously said,
1549
01:15:03,567 --> 01:15:06,597
"sometimes war
dreams of itself".
1550
01:15:07,336 --> 01:15:09,536
Could it be that the internet
1551
01:15:09,573 --> 01:15:11,713
starts to dream of itself?
1552
01:15:18,281 --> 01:15:19,921
Great question.
1553
01:15:22,686 --> 01:15:24,186
To think about dreaming,
1554
01:15:24,688 --> 01:15:26,518
there are maybe
two aspects.
1555
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:29,630
One is...
what I'll call awareness,
1556
01:15:29,659 --> 01:15:30,959
when you wake
up and you say
1557
01:15:30,994 --> 01:15:33,104
"I was just dreaming
this" and you know it.
1558
01:15:33,362 --> 01:15:36,132
Another aspect is just...
1559
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:39,670
some kind of pattern of
activity that emerges,
1560
01:15:39,703 --> 01:15:42,343
not because of some
external stimuli
1561
01:15:42,371 --> 01:15:44,771
but just because
of something going on
1562
01:15:44,808 --> 01:15:46,938
in unpredictable patterns.
1563
01:15:47,677 --> 01:15:49,947
I think already the internet
has the second of those,
1564
01:15:49,979 --> 01:15:51,919
has unpredictable patterns
all the time.
1565
01:15:51,948 --> 01:15:54,118
They cause things
like flash crashes
1566
01:15:54,150 --> 01:15:55,820
on the
financial markets.
1567
01:15:56,786 --> 01:15:59,116
So we have plenty of
kind of currents
1568
01:15:59,155 --> 01:16:00,715
running around in the internet
1569
01:16:00,757 --> 01:16:02,257
that are unpredictable,
1570
01:16:02,626 --> 01:16:05,186
in some cases unstoppable.
1571
01:16:05,228 --> 01:16:06,958
Werner: Imaginative?
1572
01:16:08,898 --> 01:16:12,168
Now it comes to what do
we mean by imaginative.
1573
01:16:12,201 --> 01:16:13,341
But if we mean...
1574
01:16:13,369 --> 01:16:15,069
We call a person imaginative
1575
01:16:15,104 --> 01:16:19,014
if they come up with ideas
that we didn't think of
1576
01:16:19,375 --> 01:16:22,345
and that we
nevertheless admire.
1577
01:16:22,378 --> 01:16:23,708
If they can...
1578
01:16:23,747 --> 01:16:26,947
Usually admiration
is part of it.
1579
01:16:27,250 --> 01:16:29,190
So for the internet,
so far I think
1580
01:16:29,218 --> 01:16:30,888
it's mostly just unpredictable.
1581
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,660
I haven't seen anything
the internet did on its own
1582
01:16:33,690 --> 01:16:34,960
that I admire.
1583
01:16:37,694 --> 01:16:39,334
Does the internet
dream of itself?
1584
01:16:39,863 --> 01:16:43,033
It does in the sense that
it can beget
1585
01:16:43,066 --> 01:16:45,966
additional networks layered
on top of it
1586
01:16:46,002 --> 01:16:49,712
that have the characteristics
of the underlying internet.
1587
01:16:49,739 --> 01:16:52,979
So just as the basic internet
is a series of computers
1588
01:16:53,009 --> 01:16:54,809
that happen to talk internet
to each other
1589
01:16:54,844 --> 01:16:57,154
so that you can move
a bit from here to there,
1590
01:16:57,413 --> 01:17:00,323
there's a fellow named
Sir Tim Berners-Lee
1591
01:17:00,349 --> 01:17:01,579
who could conceive of
something called
1592
01:17:01,617 --> 01:17:05,217
the World Wide Web and
choose not to copyright it,
1593
01:17:05,254 --> 01:17:09,734
not to patent it, to allow
anybody to speak "server"
1594
01:17:09,759 --> 01:17:11,159
and some people
speak "client"
1595
01:17:11,194 --> 01:17:13,764
and then before you know it,
you've got websites.
1596
01:17:13,797 --> 01:17:17,727
The web is the internet
dreaming of itself.
1597
01:17:18,868 --> 01:17:21,768
Could it be that the internet
dreams of itself?
1598
01:17:22,238 --> 01:17:24,108
It's a fascinating idea.
1599
01:17:24,307 --> 01:17:26,407
In fact, there was a wonderful
science fiction story
1600
01:17:26,442 --> 01:17:27,982
which later got turned
into a movie,
1601
01:17:28,011 --> 01:17:29,811
"Blade Runner", and
I think it was called
1602
01:17:29,846 --> 01:17:32,016
"Do Androids Dream
of Electric Sheep?"
1603
01:17:32,048 --> 01:17:33,248
The robot's dream,
1604
01:17:33,917 --> 01:17:36,447
but the internet is
nothing but connections.
1605
01:17:36,485 --> 01:17:39,455
Will it have its
own consciousness?
1606
01:17:39,488 --> 01:17:42,058
Will it have its
own set of rules?
1607
01:17:42,091 --> 01:17:44,061
And perhaps...
1608
01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:46,760
on an even more scary realm,
1609
01:17:46,796 --> 01:17:48,926
a science fiction realm,
will the internet
1610
01:17:48,965 --> 01:17:50,865
therefore make
its own decisions?
1611
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:52,340
And will the decisions about
1612
01:17:52,836 --> 01:17:54,466
how communication happens
1613
01:17:54,503 --> 01:17:56,273
go out of human hands?
1614
01:17:56,305 --> 01:17:58,035
That's certainly a possibility.
1615
01:17:58,808 --> 01:18:01,208
But since we don't even
understand consciousness,
1616
01:18:01,778 --> 01:18:04,348
I am hesitant to
make any predictions
1617
01:18:04,380 --> 01:18:06,220
and I think anyone
who claims
1618
01:18:06,249 --> 01:18:08,719
they know what's going to
happen to the internet,
1619
01:18:08,752 --> 01:18:10,152
is not worth listening to.
1620
01:18:23,366 --> 01:18:24,826
Werner: Pittsburg.
1621
01:18:25,134 --> 01:18:26,804
The Industrial Age -
1622
01:18:26,836 --> 01:18:29,066
the steel mills
are long gone.
1623
01:18:29,105 --> 01:18:32,205
A new industry has
established itself.
1624
01:18:32,876 --> 01:18:35,976
Here robots are
being designed.
1625
01:18:36,012 --> 01:18:37,952
This one
named Chimp
1626
01:18:37,981 --> 01:18:40,851
is testing its
limbs on its own.
1627
01:18:44,854 --> 01:18:48,894
Soon battalions of them
connected via internet
1628
01:18:48,925 --> 01:18:52,995
could perform rescue missions
in disaster zones.
1629
01:18:54,063 --> 01:18:57,273
I think it's gonna run through
the lift joints momentarily.
1630
01:19:05,208 --> 01:19:08,308
We're still a long
ways away from a robot
1631
01:19:08,344 --> 01:19:10,454
having a complete
understanding
1632
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,919
of the world, of
cause and effect,
1633
01:19:12,949 --> 01:19:16,089
of desires and hopes
and dreams,
1634
01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:20,089
and those are the things that
still make humans human
1635
01:19:20,123 --> 01:19:23,033
and robots on a
much lesser scale.
1636
01:19:24,127 --> 01:19:26,497
Well, you could
think of this scenario
1637
01:19:26,529 --> 01:19:28,259
almost as robot dreaming.
1638
01:19:28,297 --> 01:19:30,397
This is, you know, a robot
1639
01:19:30,934 --> 01:19:34,244
conceptualizing what is gonna
happen in the future
1640
01:19:34,270 --> 01:19:36,270
and thinking about
different scenarios
1641
01:19:36,305 --> 01:19:39,235
and for any of these motions
it's considering
1642
01:19:39,275 --> 01:19:42,175
thousands and thousands
of scenarios per second
1643
01:19:42,211 --> 01:19:43,111
that might happen,
1644
01:19:43,146 --> 01:19:45,376
um... especially
when you get to the point
1645
01:19:45,414 --> 01:19:48,154
of robots exchanging information
with one another,
1646
01:19:48,184 --> 01:19:50,954
then you might have a robot
dreaming about places
1647
01:19:50,987 --> 01:19:52,317
it hasn't even been.
1648
01:20:14,643 --> 01:20:17,583
This is the Chimp
view of the world
1649
01:20:17,613 --> 01:20:20,883
now using a high
resolution laser scanner
1650
01:20:20,917 --> 01:20:23,047
and it has to really
build up its...
1651
01:20:23,086 --> 01:20:26,256
its learning of what's going on
in the environment.
1652
01:20:26,289 --> 01:20:30,059
In this case it's a valve
that it's trying to turn
1653
01:20:30,093 --> 01:20:32,063
and we see the pre-planning -
1654
01:20:32,095 --> 01:20:33,455
this is like
the robot imagination
1655
01:20:33,496 --> 01:20:34,926
of what's gonna happen:
1656
01:20:34,964 --> 01:20:36,204
where the gripper is gonna be,
1657
01:20:36,232 --> 01:20:37,932
how it's gonna come
into that valve,
1658
01:20:37,967 --> 01:20:39,097
and how it can manipulate it.
1659
01:20:40,403 --> 01:20:41,143
Werner: It could have
opened the valve in Fukushima
1660
01:20:41,170 --> 01:20:43,270
and prevented an explosion?
1661
01:20:43,306 --> 01:20:45,136
Vandeweghe: That was
one of the key things
1662
01:20:45,174 --> 01:20:46,944
that spurred this research...
1663
01:20:46,976 --> 01:20:49,606
realizing that it was
too dangerous for humans
1664
01:20:49,645 --> 01:20:52,175
to go in but if you
could have had a robot
1665
01:20:52,215 --> 01:20:54,175
go in and just do
some simple things,
1666
01:20:54,217 --> 01:20:57,087
straightforward things that
the humans were unable to do:
1667
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,590
open valves to change
the cooling flow patterns,
1668
01:21:00,623 --> 01:21:03,033
maybe turn on pumps again.
1669
01:21:03,059 --> 01:21:04,629
That would have
made all the difference
1670
01:21:04,660 --> 01:21:06,900
in preventing the
hydrogen build-up
1671
01:21:06,930 --> 01:21:08,630
and the
subsequent explosion.
1672
01:21:08,664 --> 01:21:11,634
Werner: How valuable is
the cockroach for you?
1673
01:21:11,667 --> 01:21:15,967
I think any insect
is amazingly, uh...
1674
01:21:16,505 --> 01:21:19,475
advanced, compared to the state
of the art robots right now.
1675
01:21:19,508 --> 01:21:20,978
If you think
about a cockroach,
1676
01:21:21,010 --> 01:21:23,410
the fact that it can scurry
around on the floor,
1677
01:21:23,446 --> 01:21:26,916
it can avoid dangers, it
can find food for itself,
1678
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:27,950
it can reproduce,
1679
01:21:27,984 --> 01:21:32,494
and it can live for several
years on its own,
1680
01:21:32,989 --> 01:21:35,389
robots are nowhere
near that point yet
1681
01:21:35,424 --> 01:21:39,464
and I think it'll be
great when we have even
1682
01:21:39,495 --> 01:21:41,325
as much capability
as a cockroach.
1683
01:21:52,441 --> 01:21:56,011
Danny Hillis: I can not only
imagine artificial intelligence
1684
01:21:56,045 --> 01:21:58,405
evolving spontaneously
on the internet
1685
01:21:58,447 --> 01:22:01,517
but I can't tell you it
hasn't happened already.
1686
01:22:03,352 --> 01:22:04,522
Because...
1687
01:22:05,321 --> 01:22:08,591
it wouldn't necessarily
reveal itself to us.
1688
01:22:09,558 --> 01:22:12,458
I think that the biggest
risk is not that the AI will...
1689
01:22:13,162 --> 01:22:14,702
develop a will of its own,
1690
01:22:14,730 --> 01:22:16,700
but rather that
it will follow the will
1691
01:22:16,732 --> 01:22:21,042
of people that establish
its utility function,
1692
01:22:21,070 --> 01:22:24,410
its optimization function,
and that optimization function,
1693
01:22:25,374 --> 01:22:26,944
if it is...
1694
01:22:28,077 --> 01:22:29,747
if it is not well thought out -
1695
01:22:29,778 --> 01:22:31,508
I mean even
if it's relatively...
1696
01:22:31,547 --> 01:22:33,047
if its intent is benign,
1697
01:22:33,082 --> 01:22:36,192
it could have
quite a bad outcome.
1698
01:22:36,219 --> 01:22:39,189
For example, if you were...
1699
01:22:39,355 --> 01:22:42,125
a hedge fund or a private
equity fund and you said,
1700
01:22:42,158 --> 01:22:44,188
well, all I want
my AI to do is
1701
01:22:44,227 --> 01:22:46,397
maximize the value
of my portfolio,
1702
01:22:47,330 --> 01:22:48,400
then...
1703
01:22:48,731 --> 01:22:50,101
the AI could decide,
1704
01:22:51,334 --> 01:22:54,344
well, the best way to do that
is to short consumer stocks,
1705
01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:57,370
go long defense stocks,
and start a war.
1706
01:22:58,741 --> 01:23:01,111
And that would
obviously be quite bad.
1707
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,309
Werner: Such an attack
would be much more
1708
01:23:05,348 --> 01:23:09,288
prosaic than an invasion
of these aliens
1709
01:23:09,318 --> 01:23:12,258
in the SpaceX
reception area.
1710
01:23:19,762 --> 01:23:22,102
I think we're gonna
get to the point where
1711
01:23:22,131 --> 01:23:25,601
almost everything we do
will be done by machines.
1712
01:23:25,634 --> 01:23:27,674
And we'll still need people
1713
01:23:27,703 --> 01:23:31,413
but if you ask the question
about will there ever be...
1714
01:23:32,308 --> 01:23:35,308
an artificial intelligent
machine that makes movies?
1715
01:23:35,344 --> 01:23:36,384
Absolutely yes.
1716
01:23:36,412 --> 01:23:38,212
Will it be quite
as good as yours?
1717
01:23:38,247 --> 01:23:39,777
No one can
even come close.
1718
01:23:39,815 --> 01:23:41,175
Werner: Of course not.
1719
01:23:41,217 --> 01:23:44,787
But actually I think
almost everything we do,
1720
01:23:44,820 --> 01:23:47,120
we find machines
doing better,
1721
01:23:47,156 --> 01:23:49,286
and the reason why that's
the case is because
1722
01:23:49,325 --> 01:23:51,155
machines learn faster
than people can learn.
1723
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,700
Werner: But they cannot
fall in love as we can.
1724
01:23:55,098 --> 01:23:57,498
And will it be useful for
machines to fall in love?
1725
01:23:58,301 --> 01:24:00,441
Would we want
to have machines
1726
01:24:00,469 --> 01:24:02,469
that are just like
people? I would say no.
1727
01:24:02,505 --> 01:24:05,105
Honestly, if a dishwasher
came to me and said
1728
01:24:05,141 --> 01:24:07,411
"look, I'm falling in love
with the refrigerator and,
1729
01:24:07,443 --> 01:24:10,153
as a result, I have no
time to wash the dishes".
1730
01:24:10,179 --> 01:24:12,119
I wouldn't like
that dishwasher.
1731
01:24:12,148 --> 01:24:14,318
We're going to have
a revolution
1732
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:17,390
not only in our technology,
but in our theology.
1733
01:24:17,420 --> 01:24:19,260
We don't even have
a name for it
1734
01:24:19,288 --> 01:24:22,188
but it's around the internet,
it's around connectivity,
1735
01:24:22,325 --> 01:24:24,825
it's around building machines
to think for us
1736
01:24:25,461 --> 01:24:29,171
and I think we're due
for another shift
1737
01:24:29,598 --> 01:24:31,468
in our morals, in our....
1738
01:24:31,634 --> 01:24:34,344
in our definition of what
it means to be human.
1739
01:24:34,503 --> 01:24:37,373
We're right just at
the beginning of that,
1740
01:24:37,406 --> 01:24:39,576
and so you can see us
trying to kind of...
1741
01:24:40,209 --> 01:24:43,179
feel out and invent
this new society
1742
01:24:43,212 --> 01:24:46,252
and invent this new ideas
of what's right and wrong.
1743
01:24:46,282 --> 01:24:48,352
What can we depend
on each other for...
1744
01:24:48,384 --> 01:24:50,824
or what can we expect
from each other?
1745
01:24:51,487 --> 01:24:53,587
How much do we
want to do that?
1746
01:24:54,423 --> 01:24:57,893
So I think it's an
incredibly creative time
1747
01:24:57,926 --> 01:25:00,656
in human history -
not just technologically
1748
01:25:01,164 --> 01:25:04,234
but also morally
and culturally.
1749
01:26:01,790 --> 01:26:03,330
(inaudible)
1750
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:18,539
This room should
know I'm here.
1751
01:26:19,275 --> 01:26:20,735
I should be able
to talk to it.
1752
01:26:20,776 --> 01:26:23,206
It should be able to give
me an answer verbally.
1753
01:26:23,246 --> 01:26:25,676
I should ask where, for example,
is a high-speed printer?
1754
01:26:25,714 --> 01:26:27,284
Or where did I leave my keys?
1755
01:26:27,316 --> 01:26:28,846
Or where's a book
on this subject?
1756
01:26:28,884 --> 01:26:30,694
And it should answer
me with speech,
1757
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:32,659
with a hologram,
with a display,
1758
01:26:32,688 --> 01:26:34,418
in a very natural way.
1759
01:26:34,457 --> 01:26:37,457
I should maybe use
gestures and touch,
1760
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:40,430
and even smell
and all my senses
1761
01:26:40,463 --> 01:26:43,003
to interact in a
very humanistic way
1762
01:26:43,031 --> 01:26:45,301
with this technology
around us.
1763
01:26:45,334 --> 01:26:47,804
And once that technology
comes out
1764
01:26:47,836 --> 01:26:49,436
into our physical world
1765
01:26:50,339 --> 01:26:51,669
and becomes embedded
1766
01:26:51,707 --> 01:26:53,777
in our walls, in our
desk, in our bodies,
1767
01:26:53,809 --> 01:26:55,979
in our fingernails,
in our cars, in our offices,
1768
01:26:56,011 --> 01:26:57,481
in our homes,
1769
01:26:57,980 --> 01:26:59,620
it should disappear
1770
01:26:59,648 --> 01:27:01,418
and become invisible.
1771
01:27:01,750 --> 01:27:02,950
Whereas electricity...
1772
01:27:03,386 --> 01:27:05,586
there's a socket in
the wall, you plug in,
1773
01:27:05,621 --> 01:27:06,861
you get electricity.
1774
01:27:06,889 --> 01:27:08,519
You don't care
how it's made.
1775
01:27:08,557 --> 01:27:10,587
It's not a
complicated interface.
1776
01:27:10,626 --> 01:27:11,756
It's invisible.
1777
01:27:12,027 --> 01:27:14,927
The internet is yet
to evolve to that goal
1778
01:27:14,963 --> 01:27:17,333
I was hoping for
of being invisible.
1779
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:19,000
What's interesting
about the internet
1780
01:27:20,202 --> 01:27:21,972
is what you're gonna build
on top of it for you and for me.
1781
01:27:22,004 --> 01:27:23,474
I call it the internet of me.
1782
01:27:23,506 --> 01:27:25,506
It is a world where
when you walk into a room
1783
01:27:25,541 --> 01:27:27,381
the lights dim to
your preference level.
1784
01:27:27,410 --> 01:27:29,480
You may have music
that starts up.
1785
01:27:29,512 --> 01:27:31,852
It may even have complex
protocols for having
1786
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,480
to interact with somebody
else's internet of me.
1787
01:27:34,850 --> 01:27:35,980
That's interesting,
1788
01:27:36,018 --> 01:27:37,948
and the world that
will emerge as a result,
1789
01:27:37,986 --> 01:27:39,486
eventually you won't
even need phones.
1790
01:27:39,522 --> 01:27:41,562
The environment will
be so wired
1791
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:43,560
that your experience
will be brought to you.
1792
01:27:43,592 --> 01:27:45,062
Your calls will be
brought to you,
1793
01:27:45,093 --> 01:27:47,733
your advertising, your
content, your work -
1794
01:27:47,763 --> 01:27:50,533
all of it will come with you.
That's an internet of me.
1795
01:27:53,001 --> 01:27:55,041
It is going to take
a leap of thought,
1796
01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:58,010
a leap of courage... societally
1797
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,580
for us to accept a generation
1798
01:27:59,608 --> 01:28:01,938
that's always had
an egotistical world.
1799
01:28:02,077 --> 01:28:04,407
We tell children very often
1800
01:28:04,447 --> 01:28:06,517
you have to play with
others, you have to share,
1801
01:28:06,549 --> 01:28:08,419
your worldview
isn't unique.
1802
01:28:08,451 --> 01:28:10,021
But when the world,
the objects in it
1803
01:28:10,052 --> 01:28:11,592
start to tell them
that they are,
1804
01:28:11,620 --> 01:28:13,490
that they're different,
that's egotistical.
1805
01:28:13,522 --> 01:28:14,792
But it will also
be a magical world,
1806
01:28:14,823 --> 01:28:17,533
one where the wave of a
hand creates doors moving
1807
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,460
and objects
changing position.
1808
01:28:20,529 --> 01:28:22,699
Imagine a generation
that's never known
1809
01:28:22,731 --> 01:28:24,431
anything else but that.
1810
01:28:24,733 --> 01:28:26,343
I deeply regret
the fact
1811
01:28:26,369 --> 01:28:28,639
that deep critical thinking
1812
01:28:28,904 --> 01:28:30,114
and imaginative thinking,
1813
01:28:30,138 --> 01:28:32,108
that creative thinking is lost.
1814
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:35,380
In my opinion, computers
and in some sense
1815
01:28:35,411 --> 01:28:37,951
the internet are
the worst enemy
1816
01:28:37,980 --> 01:28:39,920
of deep critical thinking.
1817
01:28:41,116 --> 01:28:43,816
Youth of today
are using machines
1818
01:28:43,852 --> 01:28:45,922
to basically replace
1819
01:28:46,154 --> 01:28:49,564
their examination
of the things they're observing.
1820
01:28:49,592 --> 01:28:51,492
They don't understand
what they're looking at
1821
01:28:51,527 --> 01:28:52,757
or what they're hearing
or what they're learning.
1822
01:28:52,795 --> 01:28:56,095
They depend upon the internet
to tell them and decipher it.
1823
01:28:56,131 --> 01:28:58,701
They look at numbers
instead of ideas.
1824
01:28:58,734 --> 01:29:00,874
They fail to
understand concepts,
1825
01:29:00,903 --> 01:29:02,413
and this is a problem.
1826
01:29:02,438 --> 01:29:06,478
My hope would be there
are still going to be
1827
01:29:06,809 --> 01:29:10,449
the appeal of deep
immersion in something,
1828
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,079
that through the
school system
1829
01:29:12,114 --> 01:29:13,884
we still subject our kids to,
1830
01:29:13,916 --> 01:29:16,116
we can really try to
1831
01:29:16,151 --> 01:29:18,851
turn them onto its charms
1832
01:29:18,887 --> 01:29:22,957
so they become intrinsically
self-motivated to pursue it.
1833
01:29:23,125 --> 01:29:26,085
Whether we use science
or ancient Greek
1834
01:29:26,128 --> 01:29:28,128
or philosophy,
1835
01:29:28,731 --> 01:29:30,471
it's those tools
that are important.
1836
01:29:30,499 --> 01:29:31,399
Those are the
things that people
1837
01:29:31,434 --> 01:29:33,544
are gonna be able
to use in the future.
1838
01:29:33,569 --> 01:29:35,099
The actual information
they learn in school
1839
01:29:35,137 --> 01:29:37,607
won't be important
because it'll be dwarfed
1840
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,480
by the information
that's coming out
1841
01:29:39,508 --> 01:29:41,508
on the internet
every single day.
1842
01:29:42,645 --> 01:29:44,745
Historians I think
will also see
1843
01:29:44,780 --> 01:29:45,710
an interesting thing.
1844
01:29:45,748 --> 01:29:47,918
They'll probably call
the time around now
1845
01:29:47,950 --> 01:29:49,450
the Digital Dark Age.
1846
01:29:49,485 --> 01:29:51,145
It will be very
mysterious
1847
01:29:51,186 --> 01:29:53,756
because a lot of things
happened quickly
1848
01:29:53,789 --> 01:29:56,119
but the records
will all be lost.
1849
01:29:56,158 --> 01:29:57,958
We don't have the
handwritten letters
1850
01:29:57,993 --> 01:29:59,633
like we have from, you know,
1851
01:29:59,662 --> 01:30:01,802
the founders
of the Constitution,
1852
01:30:01,930 --> 01:30:05,130
The founding fathers.
1853
01:30:05,167 --> 01:30:06,837
We have their letters
with each other.
1854
01:30:06,869 --> 01:30:09,739
We can see the sort of
background conversation
1855
01:30:09,772 --> 01:30:12,542
in creating the
United States government.
1856
01:30:12,575 --> 01:30:14,775
We don't have the equivalent
1857
01:30:14,810 --> 01:30:17,980
for the background conversation
in creating the internet
1858
01:30:18,013 --> 01:30:20,153
because it was
all done on email.
1859
01:30:20,182 --> 01:30:22,082
There's a playful project
1860
01:30:22,117 --> 01:30:25,187
called the Wikipedia
Emergency Project
1861
01:30:25,220 --> 01:30:27,160
that if there's ever
going to be possibly
1862
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:30,159
a world changing event,
a big volcanic eruption,
1863
01:30:30,192 --> 01:30:31,792
Wikipedia volunteers
are supposed to
1864
01:30:31,827 --> 01:30:35,097
start printing out
Wikipedia pages madly
1865
01:30:35,130 --> 01:30:37,200
and storing the
paper in places
1866
01:30:37,232 --> 01:30:39,572
that their heirs
could find it later.
1867
01:31:03,158 --> 01:31:06,228
Marcel Just: What this scanner
measures, it's an MRI scanner,
1868
01:31:06,261 --> 01:31:09,571
and it measures
magnetic resonance energy
1869
01:31:09,598 --> 01:31:11,498
that's emanating
from the brain.
1870
01:31:11,534 --> 01:31:14,704
So it's really
extra sensory.
1871
01:31:15,003 --> 01:31:17,113
It's precise enough to tell us
1872
01:31:17,139 --> 01:31:19,009
what activity is occurring
1873
01:31:19,041 --> 01:31:21,711
in each little volume element
1874
01:31:21,744 --> 01:31:23,584
the size of a peppercorn.
1875
01:31:23,612 --> 01:31:25,882
When you read a
sentence that says
1876
01:31:25,914 --> 01:31:29,024
"There are two elephants
walking across the savanna"
1877
01:31:29,051 --> 01:31:32,291
a computer program can
tell that the same thought
1878
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,560
is going on in your brain
1879
01:31:34,590 --> 01:31:36,290
whether you're
watching the video
1880
01:31:36,324 --> 01:31:37,894
or reading the sentence.
1881
01:31:37,926 --> 01:31:39,956
At a conceptual
level it's the same.
1882
01:31:39,995 --> 01:31:42,795
It's also the same for
people across languages.
1883
01:31:42,831 --> 01:31:47,001
There's a universality of
the alphabet of human thoughts
1884
01:31:47,035 --> 01:31:49,535
and it applies to the videos
1885
01:31:49,572 --> 01:31:51,742
that Jack Gallant and his
colleagues have found
1886
01:31:51,774 --> 01:31:55,544
but also applies to
spoken and written speech
1887
01:31:55,578 --> 01:31:58,308
so, and it
crosses languages.
1888
01:31:58,346 --> 01:32:01,746
We have a vocabulary,
the brain has a vocabulary
1889
01:32:01,784 --> 01:32:03,624
and we're beginning
to discover it.
1890
01:32:03,652 --> 01:32:06,152
Right now we need this
two million dollar machine
1891
01:32:06,188 --> 01:32:08,018
that weighs 16,000 pounds,
1892
01:32:08,056 --> 01:32:12,696
but you ask, in the future
will some genius biophysicist
1893
01:32:12,728 --> 01:32:16,098
invent a little
cap or helmet that'll do it?
1894
01:32:16,131 --> 01:32:18,731
I think that
that's likely.
1895
01:32:18,767 --> 01:32:21,037
The energy, the
electromagnetic energy,
1896
01:32:21,069 --> 01:32:23,909
is just sitting there.
It's sitting there.
1897
01:32:23,939 --> 01:32:26,339
So when you talk
about telepathy -
1898
01:32:26,374 --> 01:32:31,314
telepathy is communication
across a distance.
1899
01:32:31,346 --> 01:32:34,216
Well, we can already
go a few millimeters
1900
01:32:34,249 --> 01:32:36,149
and it's just a
matter of time
1901
01:32:36,184 --> 01:32:38,224
before we can go
thousands of miles.
1902
01:32:38,253 --> 01:32:39,663
You could essentially,
1903
01:32:39,688 --> 01:32:43,758
in the not too distant
future, tweet thoughts.
1904
01:32:44,026 --> 01:32:48,026
So not type your little
tweet, but think it,
1905
01:32:48,063 --> 01:32:49,103
press a button
1906
01:32:49,131 --> 01:32:53,101
and all your followers
could potentially read it.
1907
01:32:53,736 --> 01:32:55,136
Werner: Could you detect,
1908
01:32:55,170 --> 01:32:57,040
this woman who is passing by
1909
01:32:57,072 --> 01:33:00,312
and spots you, is just about
to fall in love with you?
1910
01:33:00,342 --> 01:33:02,182
Now that would
be an innovation.
1911
01:33:02,210 --> 01:33:03,180
That would be the...
1912
01:33:03,211 --> 01:33:06,251
the killer application
I guess you would say.
1913
01:33:06,949 --> 01:33:08,749
Well, I try not
to make predictions
1914
01:33:08,784 --> 01:33:11,154
about anything less than two
trillion years from now -
1915
01:33:11,186 --> 01:33:12,756
for good reasons.
One is that
1916
01:33:12,788 --> 01:33:14,988
no one will be able
to know if I'm wrong.
1917
01:33:15,323 --> 01:33:16,493
But that's one of
the wonderful things
1918
01:33:16,524 --> 01:33:19,134
about the future is you don't
know where it's gonna go.
1919
01:33:19,161 --> 01:33:23,071
And the internet is, like
most results in science,
1920
01:33:23,098 --> 01:33:23,868
out of control.
1921
01:33:23,899 --> 01:33:25,369
And if you think
about predictions
1922
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:27,300
about the future
as done in the past,
1923
01:33:27,335 --> 01:33:28,795
they always miss
the important stuff.
1924
01:33:28,837 --> 01:33:30,707
In fact, most science fiction
1925
01:33:30,739 --> 01:33:33,309
missed the most important thing
about the present world,
1926
01:33:33,341 --> 01:33:35,011
which is the internet itself.
1927
01:33:35,243 --> 01:33:36,713
They had flying cars,
1928
01:33:36,745 --> 01:33:38,175
they had rocket ships.
1929
01:33:38,213 --> 01:33:39,313
None of that exists,
1930
01:33:39,347 --> 01:33:41,877
but the internet
governs our lives today.
1931
01:33:42,050 --> 01:33:43,350
It used to be
1932
01:33:43,385 --> 01:33:44,915
that when you communicated
with someone
1933
01:33:44,953 --> 01:33:46,863
the person you
were communicating with
1934
01:33:46,889 --> 01:33:48,689
was as important
as the information.
1935
01:33:48,724 --> 01:33:49,864
Now on the internet,
1936
01:33:49,892 --> 01:33:51,832
the person isn't
important at all.
1937
01:33:51,860 --> 01:33:53,000
In fact it was
developed so that
1938
01:33:54,096 --> 01:33:56,866
scientists like me could
communicate with each other
1939
01:33:56,899 --> 01:33:58,429
without knowing where
the other person was
1940
01:33:58,466 --> 01:33:59,796
or even who the
other person was.
1941
01:33:59,835 --> 01:34:03,165
There's a famous cartoon from
The New Yorker which says
1942
01:34:03,205 --> 01:34:05,635
"On the internet no one
knows if you're a dog".
1943
01:34:05,774 --> 01:34:07,284
And in the future
1944
01:34:07,309 --> 01:34:09,409
you won't know if you're
communicating with dogs
1945
01:34:09,444 --> 01:34:11,384
or robots or people,
1946
01:34:11,413 --> 01:34:12,723
and it won't matter.
1947
01:34:12,748 --> 01:34:14,418
But becoming
your own filter
1948
01:34:14,449 --> 01:34:16,379
will be the challenge
of the future.
1949
01:34:16,418 --> 01:34:18,288
Because the filter
isn't provided with you.
1950
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:19,860
There's no controls
on the internet.
1951
01:34:19,888 --> 01:34:21,358
No matter what
governments do
1952
01:34:21,389 --> 01:34:23,189
or no matter
what industries do,
1953
01:34:23,926 --> 01:34:25,986
the internet
is gonna propagate...
1954
01:34:26,494 --> 01:34:28,034
out of control
1955
01:34:28,063 --> 01:34:31,073
and people will have to
be their own controls.
1956
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,300
Tom Mitchell: I think
in the future, one next step
1957
01:34:34,336 --> 01:34:35,966
from computation
to communication
1958
01:34:36,138 --> 01:34:39,308
will be to sensing
and remote sensing.
1959
01:34:39,474 --> 01:34:41,944
Werner: And mind
reading via the internet?
1960
01:34:41,977 --> 01:34:45,047
One of those sensors will
be brain imaging sensors.
1961
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,150
Werner: And you will
transmit thoughts?
1962
01:34:47,182 --> 01:34:48,782
(laughing)
1963
01:34:48,817 --> 01:34:50,147
The two of you.
1964
01:34:54,389 --> 01:34:56,729
Will our children's
children's children
1965
01:34:56,759 --> 01:34:58,459
need the companionship
of humans
1966
01:34:59,127 --> 01:35:00,927
or will they have
evolved in a world
1967
01:35:00,963 --> 01:35:02,733
where that's not important?
1968
01:35:03,298 --> 01:35:05,428
It sounds awful,
doesn't it?
1969
01:35:05,467 --> 01:35:07,497
But maybe
it'll be fine.
1970
01:35:07,535 --> 01:35:09,765
Maybe the companionship
of robots,
1971
01:35:09,805 --> 01:35:12,335
maybe the companionship
of an intelligent internet
1972
01:35:12,374 --> 01:35:13,484
will be sufficient.
1973
01:35:13,508 --> 01:35:15,138
Who am I to say?
1974
01:35:16,244 --> 01:35:20,124
* (music plays)
1975
01:35:24,887 --> 01:35:26,817
* I'm standin' on a
corner shovel in my hand
1976
01:35:26,855 --> 01:35:28,915
* I'm lookin' for a
woman or a workin' man
1977
01:35:28,957 --> 01:35:31,457
* Honey, let me
be your salty dog *
1978
01:35:31,493 --> 01:35:33,503
* Oh, let me be
your salty dog *
1979
01:35:33,528 --> 01:35:35,458
* I won't be
your man at all *
1980
01:35:35,497 --> 01:35:38,067
* Honey, let me
be your salty dog *
1981
01:35:38,967 --> 01:35:40,497
* Let me be your salty dog
1982
01:35:40,535 --> 01:35:42,395
* I won't be your man at all
1983
01:35:42,437 --> 01:35:44,867
* Honey, let me
be your salty dog *
1984
01:35:45,140 --> 01:35:47,040
* Well, let me be
your salty dog *
1985
01:35:47,075 --> 01:35:48,935
* I won't be your man at all
1986
01:35:48,977 --> 01:35:53,117
* Honey, let me
be your salty dog *
1987
01:35:53,882 --> 01:35:55,182
I want you do some...
1988
01:35:55,217 --> 01:35:58,217
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