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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,925 --> 00:00:15,232 This is Special Agent James A. Anderson. 2 00:00:15,276 --> 00:00:18,931 On August 26th at approximately 10:15, 3 00:00:18,975 --> 00:00:21,847 I'm preparing to report a telephone conversation. 4 00:00:29,725 --> 00:00:31,118 WOMAN: Hi, is Kevin there? 5 00:00:33,076 --> 00:00:36,775 KEVIN: I was out early around 7:30 a.m. 6 00:00:36,819 --> 00:00:39,604 And I returned to the home around 9:30, 7 00:00:39,648 --> 00:00:42,564 and as you're driving down Home Street where our house was, 8 00:00:42,607 --> 00:00:43,913 it's a one-way street. 9 00:00:43,956 --> 00:00:47,308 And I noticed, "Why is the street so packed?" 10 00:00:47,351 --> 00:00:49,614 There're cars! There's cars everywhere! 11 00:00:51,138 --> 00:00:52,443 And then all of a sudden, 12 00:00:52,487 --> 00:00:54,489 crossing the street in front of me 13 00:00:54,532 --> 00:00:57,057 was somebody in an FBI windbreaker. 14 00:00:58,667 --> 00:01:01,104 I immediately looked over to my house, 15 00:01:01,148 --> 00:01:04,107 saw federal agents walking in and out, 16 00:01:04,151 --> 00:01:06,109 I looked straight forward 17 00:01:06,153 --> 00:01:07,763 and just kept on driving 18 00:01:07,806 --> 00:01:09,895 making no eye contact with anybody. 19 00:01:11,506 --> 00:01:13,725 JAKE: When they left, this guy, like, 20 00:01:13,769 --> 00:01:15,988 took me aside and got in my face and said, 21 00:01:16,032 --> 00:01:17,816 "Where's Kevin?" I was like, "I don't know where Kevin is." 22 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:19,949 And he goes, "Well, you tell a message that we are after..." 23 00:01:19,992 --> 00:01:21,472 You know, something ridiculous like that. 24 00:01:21,516 --> 00:01:22,952 I was like, "Okay. Yeah, I'll get right on that." 25 00:01:22,995 --> 00:01:24,606 I just kind of laughed at him, and he got really upset. 26 00:01:24,649 --> 00:01:26,086 He was like, 27 00:01:26,129 --> 00:01:27,870 "You think this is funny?" And blah, blah, blah and... 28 00:01:27,913 --> 00:01:29,959 "You tell Kevin, we're gonna get him." 29 00:01:30,002 --> 00:01:31,003 "Yeah, okay." 30 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,808 JOSH: We're six activists who are indicted under 31 00:01:52,851 --> 00:01:54,549 federal terrorism laws. 32 00:01:54,592 --> 00:01:56,072 We didn't break anything, 33 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:57,334 we didn't burn anything, 34 00:01:57,378 --> 00:01:58,640 we didn't beat anyone, 35 00:01:58,683 --> 00:02:00,946 we didn't even so much as trespass. 36 00:02:01,817 --> 00:02:04,124 Our crime is doing exactly 37 00:02:04,167 --> 00:02:05,690 what I'm doing right now, 38 00:02:05,734 --> 00:02:06,735 speaking. 39 00:02:10,608 --> 00:02:12,915 NEWS REPORTER: The target of SHAC was the animal testing company, 40 00:02:12,958 --> 00:02:15,961 Huntingdon Life Sciences, and companies that did business with it. 41 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:17,659 WILL: Huntingdon Life Sciences was selected 42 00:02:17,702 --> 00:02:20,575 because it's a key player in the animal testing industry. 43 00:02:20,618 --> 00:02:22,272 They have a lot of money, lot of power, 44 00:02:22,316 --> 00:02:25,623 a lot of resources and a lot of influence. 45 00:02:25,667 --> 00:02:28,452 MAN: This hearing is the second hearing we've had on this subject, 46 00:02:28,496 --> 00:02:32,891 Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, a radical animal rights organization 47 00:02:32,935 --> 00:02:35,764 that relies on a campaign that feared to convey 48 00:02:35,807 --> 00:02:37,896 their message of animal liberation. 49 00:02:37,940 --> 00:02:39,985 What we have is an international conspiracy. 50 00:02:40,029 --> 00:02:42,510 These are not random isolated acts. 51 00:02:42,553 --> 00:02:44,903 Legitimate business enterprises are suffering. 52 00:02:46,078 --> 00:02:48,385 WILL: The FBI, Homeland Security 53 00:02:48,429 --> 00:02:49,734 and the federal government 54 00:02:49,778 --> 00:02:51,823 rallied behind this company 55 00:02:51,867 --> 00:02:54,478 to defend them as this victim 56 00:02:54,522 --> 00:02:56,306 of a protest campaign. 57 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:58,613 And a victim that if they allowed 58 00:02:58,656 --> 00:03:00,092 to close and to shut down 59 00:03:00,136 --> 00:03:03,139 that other corporations will be targeted next. 60 00:03:03,183 --> 00:03:04,967 Corporations get to do what they want. 61 00:03:06,577 --> 00:03:09,798 That's the rule in our society... effectively. 62 00:03:09,841 --> 00:03:12,670 We challenged the right of this corporation to exist. 63 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:30,601 This is Willie's favorite treat, isn't it, honey? 64 00:03:30,645 --> 00:03:31,646 What you doing? 65 00:03:32,473 --> 00:03:33,996 This is Willie. 66 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:37,391 Willie is the big Justin Timberlake fan in the house. 67 00:03:37,434 --> 00:03:39,610 I get picked on for this. This is my pillow case. 68 00:03:39,654 --> 00:03:42,004 I'm not afraid to admit it. I'm masculine enough. 69 00:03:42,047 --> 00:03:43,788 Everybody always made fun of me about it. 70 00:03:43,832 --> 00:03:45,573 Like, "Oh, you like pop music." 71 00:03:45,616 --> 00:03:48,967 And so I have got, like, Justin Timberlake bobble heads, 72 00:03:49,011 --> 00:03:50,926 somebody gave me an autographed picture. 73 00:03:50,969 --> 00:03:53,058 Somebody actually made me 74 00:03:53,102 --> 00:03:55,060 a pillow case with him on it. So... 75 00:03:56,540 --> 00:03:58,238 Growing up as one of those people 76 00:03:58,281 --> 00:04:00,892 whose conscience wouldn't let 'em remain silent, 77 00:04:00,936 --> 00:04:02,372 I had to do something. 78 00:04:02,416 --> 00:04:04,983 I was thinking about what career am I gonna pursue. 79 00:04:05,027 --> 00:04:08,073 Because I wanna work at an NGO or a non-profit. 80 00:04:08,117 --> 00:04:11,076 Some people are passionate about the law or medicine, 81 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,340 I was passionate about public policy 82 00:04:13,383 --> 00:04:16,604 and engaging the public on social issues. 83 00:04:16,647 --> 00:04:18,997 The animal rights issue always spoke to me 84 00:04:19,041 --> 00:04:21,826 because there was such a lack of voices 85 00:04:21,870 --> 00:04:23,741 speaking out on behalf of animals. 86 00:04:23,785 --> 00:04:25,308 I've grown up with a beagle. 87 00:04:25,352 --> 00:04:27,876 Barney the beagle is my best friend as a little kid. 88 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:31,096 In most labs, they use beagles for experimentation 89 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:33,273 and it really hit home to me. 90 00:04:33,316 --> 00:04:36,014 I got involved with the Student Organization For Animal Rights. 91 00:04:36,058 --> 00:04:38,234 KATIE: We would do a little bit of vegan outreach. 92 00:04:38,278 --> 00:04:40,715 We would do a little bit of anti-vivisection, 93 00:04:40,758 --> 00:04:43,195 a little bit of anti-fur. 94 00:04:43,239 --> 00:04:45,894 It became really focused under Kevin. 95 00:04:45,937 --> 00:04:48,592 KEVIN: Those meetings would ramble on for hours. 96 00:04:48,636 --> 00:04:50,725 And at that point in time, I knew, like, this 97 00:04:50,768 --> 00:04:53,380 feel-good, anarchist, brand of activism 98 00:04:53,423 --> 00:04:54,946 wasn't a fit for me. 99 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:57,601 I believe in hierarchy and leadership. 100 00:04:57,645 --> 00:04:59,342 I believe in authority. 101 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:03,303 He actually took over at the U of M SOAR group. 102 00:05:03,346 --> 00:05:04,826 I've never seen anything 103 00:05:04,869 --> 00:05:06,784 like what Kevin was able to do. 104 00:05:06,828 --> 00:05:09,221 He'd get other people to rally behind. 105 00:05:09,265 --> 00:05:11,702 KEVIN: We decided to figure out 106 00:05:11,746 --> 00:05:14,879 what major researchers at the university 107 00:05:14,923 --> 00:05:16,533 were receiving funding 108 00:05:16,577 --> 00:05:18,927 to do animal research. 109 00:05:18,970 --> 00:05:22,191 Our primary target was Marilyn Carroll, 110 00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:24,759 who takes rhesus macaque monkeys 111 00:05:24,802 --> 00:05:26,587 and addicts them to crack cocaine 112 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:28,545 and studies the withdrawal effects. 113 00:05:28,589 --> 00:05:31,374 We made flyers with her picture on it. 114 00:05:31,418 --> 00:05:33,594 Distributed it to her students, 115 00:05:33,637 --> 00:05:35,160 to her colleagues. 116 00:05:35,204 --> 00:05:37,728 It was at this point of time that I realized, 117 00:05:37,772 --> 00:05:40,775 you're doing a protest against a person 118 00:05:40,818 --> 00:05:42,994 who is doing something wrong. 119 00:05:43,038 --> 00:05:44,561 And so we had to make it personal. 120 00:05:44,605 --> 00:05:48,260 And going to her doorstep made it very personal. 121 00:05:48,304 --> 00:05:50,611 She went through the roof as did her husband. 122 00:05:50,654 --> 00:05:52,395 No broken windows, no paint, 123 00:05:52,439 --> 00:05:54,397 just people at her home. 124 00:05:54,441 --> 00:05:57,052 It touched her nerve. 125 00:05:57,095 --> 00:05:59,533 The press never mentioned Marilyn Carroll 126 00:05:59,576 --> 00:06:01,752 before we started going to her house. 127 00:06:01,796 --> 00:06:03,450 But then they were also talking about it 128 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:06,409 because they had to explain why we were there, 129 00:06:06,453 --> 00:06:08,977 what Marilyn Carroll was doing to these primates. 130 00:06:15,679 --> 00:06:17,899 The raid that happened at the University of Minnesota 131 00:06:17,942 --> 00:06:21,076 was at a neurological research center 132 00:06:21,119 --> 00:06:23,426 and then, was in a psychology building. 133 00:06:23,470 --> 00:06:26,690 NEWS REPORTER: The vandals dressed in dark clothing, and faces covered, 134 00:06:26,734 --> 00:06:29,171 kicked in doors, tore through labs 135 00:06:29,214 --> 00:06:32,130 and took more than 100 research animals. 136 00:06:32,174 --> 00:06:35,003 The impact of an act of terrorism 137 00:06:35,046 --> 00:06:36,874 is that it's shocking. 138 00:06:36,918 --> 00:06:39,616 That it shocks people. It terrorizes. 139 00:06:39,660 --> 00:06:42,314 The break-in had that impact. 140 00:06:42,358 --> 00:06:43,968 I was out of town when it happened. 141 00:06:44,012 --> 00:06:45,579 When I got back into Minnesota, 142 00:06:45,622 --> 00:06:47,842 I couldn't believe something of this magnitude 143 00:06:47,885 --> 00:06:49,887 had happened at my school. 144 00:06:49,931 --> 00:06:53,891 It felt like we'd received a visit 145 00:06:53,935 --> 00:06:56,285 from somebody really important. 146 00:06:56,328 --> 00:06:58,679 I see individuals were putting their lives 147 00:06:58,722 --> 00:07:00,550 and their freedom at risk 148 00:07:00,594 --> 00:07:02,596 to save these animals. 149 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:04,206 Since I was a student there, 150 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:06,208 I could be the campus spokesperson 151 00:07:06,251 --> 00:07:08,253 and try to explain to the media 152 00:07:08,297 --> 00:07:10,604 why radical underground activists 153 00:07:10,647 --> 00:07:12,867 would think it's appropriate to take animals out 154 00:07:12,910 --> 00:07:13,911 and cause damage. 155 00:07:13,955 --> 00:07:15,260 OFFICER: This is a terrorist act. 156 00:07:15,304 --> 00:07:17,611 Come forward and admit to who did it, 157 00:07:17,654 --> 00:07:19,656 go to trial and see what the outcome of the trial is. 158 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:22,006 I, myself, and nobody from the press office 159 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:23,355 knows who did this 160 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:24,879 or where you could contact them. 161 00:07:24,922 --> 00:07:26,881 Maybe it was hubris 162 00:07:26,924 --> 00:07:30,362 and being young and full of oneself 163 00:07:30,406 --> 00:07:31,799 but I felt like 164 00:07:31,842 --> 00:07:34,715 repercussions weren't going to be an issue for me. 165 00:07:34,758 --> 00:07:37,761 I got a page, this is back in the day of pagers, 166 00:07:37,805 --> 00:07:41,112 saying, "Call me. 911. Call me. 911. 167 00:07:41,156 --> 00:07:44,594 The FBI has just spent the last three and a half hours at our home. 168 00:07:44,638 --> 00:07:46,291 They had guns and flak jackets. 169 00:07:46,335 --> 00:07:47,858 They tore our place apart. 170 00:07:47,902 --> 00:07:49,686 You need to come home. You need to come home." 171 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:52,384 The Nexus would have been domestic terrorism. 172 00:07:52,428 --> 00:07:53,821 FBI was trying to find out 173 00:07:53,864 --> 00:07:55,213 if there's a relationship 174 00:07:55,257 --> 00:07:57,955 between the people who are publicly speaking 175 00:07:57,999 --> 00:08:00,262 in theory about tactics being used 176 00:08:00,305 --> 00:08:02,656 by underground animal rights activists. 177 00:08:02,699 --> 00:08:04,135 Um, if there is a connection 178 00:08:04,179 --> 00:08:06,703 to the people who are actually carrying out the crimes. 179 00:08:06,747 --> 00:08:08,836 KEVIN: Minnesota state legislators were trying 180 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:13,318 to introduce legislations to make what I did illegal, 181 00:08:13,362 --> 00:08:14,755 speaking out on behalf 182 00:08:14,798 --> 00:08:16,887 of a "Terrorist action." 183 00:08:16,931 --> 00:08:19,499 And even tried to make it retro... 184 00:08:21,675 --> 00:08:23,807 This wasn't about solving a crime, 185 00:08:23,851 --> 00:08:25,374 this was about sending a message, 186 00:08:25,417 --> 00:08:26,767 that you better shut up. 187 00:08:32,207 --> 00:08:35,123 NARRATOR: Saturday afternoon at King's Cross station in London, 188 00:08:35,166 --> 00:08:37,255 and protesters prepare for another rally 189 00:08:37,299 --> 00:08:38,779 against vivisection. 190 00:08:38,822 --> 00:08:41,651 Most are regular, but one organizer is a visitor. 191 00:08:41,695 --> 00:08:43,305 KEVIN: We have sheets right here 192 00:08:43,348 --> 00:08:45,742 on what to do if you're arrested. 193 00:08:45,786 --> 00:08:47,483 Please take one. 194 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:49,877 Just details what to do in the police cell. 195 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,269 What to do for interviews. 196 00:08:51,313 --> 00:08:53,924 England is the mecca for animal rights activism. 197 00:08:53,968 --> 00:08:56,579 And I always wanted to go there because of that. 198 00:08:56,623 --> 00:08:58,450 I had the intention of moving there. 199 00:08:58,494 --> 00:09:01,062 Being involved with some campaigns on the weekends. 200 00:09:01,105 --> 00:09:04,805 WOMAN: Kevin Kjonass was the ALF spokesman in Minnesota. 201 00:09:04,848 --> 00:09:06,763 And has been questioned 202 00:09:06,807 --> 00:09:09,157 as part of the ongoing FBI investigation into this raid. 203 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,202 KEVIN: After about a month of being there, 204 00:09:11,246 --> 00:09:12,987 I just wanted to campaign full-time 205 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:17,121 because the success, the energy, 206 00:09:17,165 --> 00:09:19,167 the momentum was intoxicating. 207 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:20,908 There're such a diversity of people 208 00:09:20,951 --> 00:09:23,084 and they all have the same common desire 209 00:09:23,127 --> 00:09:24,607 and that's to shut these places down. 210 00:09:24,651 --> 00:09:27,305 We will overcome all obstacles to shut 'em down. 211 00:09:27,349 --> 00:09:28,959 In America, the movement is much smaller, 212 00:09:29,003 --> 00:09:30,787 and we can't do this in such a mass scale. 213 00:09:30,831 --> 00:09:32,702 ALL: Close down HLS! 214 00:09:34,617 --> 00:09:37,054 NARRATOR: Their destination, Huntingdon Life Sciences. 215 00:09:46,498 --> 00:09:48,544 WOMAN: Huntingdon Life Sciences 216 00:09:48,588 --> 00:09:52,592 is one of the world's leading contract research organizations. 217 00:09:52,635 --> 00:09:54,202 We take a holistic approach 218 00:09:54,245 --> 00:09:56,465 to bio-pharmaceutical drug development 219 00:09:56,508 --> 00:09:59,686 to ensure that customer gets the best help and support 220 00:09:59,729 --> 00:10:01,426 in developing their products. 221 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:04,386 We take the care of our animals very seriously. 222 00:10:04,429 --> 00:10:06,301 And our high ethical standards 223 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:08,608 are core to our corporate philosophy. 224 00:10:08,651 --> 00:10:10,479 Contact us now to find out 225 00:10:10,522 --> 00:10:13,830 how we can help get your next product to market. 226 00:10:13,874 --> 00:10:16,572 WILL: Huntingdon Life Sciences or HLS 227 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:18,356 is a contract animal testing company. 228 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,358 They don't engage in animal testing 229 00:10:20,402 --> 00:10:21,751 like most people would think 230 00:10:21,795 --> 00:10:24,624 of the term as finding a cure for AIDS or cancer. 231 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:25,842 HLS will take money 232 00:10:25,886 --> 00:10:27,627 from any private corporation 233 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:29,193 to carry out product testing. 234 00:10:29,237 --> 00:10:31,152 Tooth paste or pharmaceuticals, 235 00:10:31,195 --> 00:10:33,110 an adhesive, or a bleach, 236 00:10:33,154 --> 00:10:35,635 or laundry detergent or... You name it. 237 00:10:35,678 --> 00:10:36,897 I loved it. 238 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:38,986 It was a good company. It was looking after us. 239 00:10:39,029 --> 00:10:41,945 It was providing valuable service 240 00:10:41,989 --> 00:10:44,556 for the research in drug development. 241 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,384 Huntingdon was doing everything right. 242 00:10:46,428 --> 00:10:47,298 Everything. 243 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:01,573 MAN: Hold on. That's a bad dog. Look at the shite. 244 00:11:04,664 --> 00:11:06,187 Oh, shut up. 245 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:07,579 -I haven't got the patience, today. -He's not healthy. 246 00:11:07,623 --> 00:11:09,756 -MAN: I really haven't. -How unsettled they are. 247 00:11:10,757 --> 00:11:12,933 Fucking hell! 248 00:11:12,976 --> 00:11:15,718 I'm really getting fucking mad with you. 249 00:11:17,328 --> 00:11:19,591 -Every fucking time. 250 00:11:22,333 --> 00:11:23,552 Fucking sit still. 251 00:11:26,511 --> 00:11:27,599 Nobody condones that. 252 00:11:27,643 --> 00:11:29,645 That person was fired immediately. 253 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:31,429 His supervisor was fired. 254 00:11:31,473 --> 00:11:34,171 One technician out of 600 slapped a dog, so... 255 00:11:36,086 --> 00:11:39,089 If... If you're running late, you move faster, 256 00:11:39,133 --> 00:11:40,743 you're rougher with the animals. 257 00:11:40,787 --> 00:11:42,963 If the animals are struggling, you're... 258 00:11:44,791 --> 00:11:46,575 The lab workers would 259 00:11:46,618 --> 00:11:49,186 smack them around the way you smack a computer 260 00:11:49,230 --> 00:11:52,624 that's being sluggish or slow. 261 00:11:52,668 --> 00:11:56,454 I was in the U.S. lab when the UK case broke 262 00:11:56,498 --> 00:12:00,110 and the message that came to the workers 263 00:12:00,154 --> 00:12:02,460 in the U.S. lab was, 264 00:12:02,504 --> 00:12:05,115 "Don't get caught doing anything like that." 265 00:12:13,994 --> 00:12:16,692 Well, I remember driving home one night 266 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:19,173 and shaking my head and saying to myself, 267 00:12:19,216 --> 00:12:20,478 "It's all through." 268 00:12:22,176 --> 00:12:23,743 The animals are treated awfully. 269 00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:25,570 There's no regard for them. 270 00:12:25,614 --> 00:12:27,877 Their suffering doesn't matter at all. 271 00:12:27,921 --> 00:12:29,705 It's just about the dollar bill. 272 00:12:32,926 --> 00:12:35,015 It's all through. 273 00:12:35,058 --> 00:12:38,758 Huntingdon was enemy number one for the animal rights world. 274 00:12:45,503 --> 00:12:48,724 KEVIN: SHAC stands for Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty. 275 00:12:48,768 --> 00:12:50,073 WILL: It had its sole purpose 276 00:12:50,117 --> 00:12:52,815 of shutting down Huntingdon Life Sciences. 277 00:12:52,859 --> 00:12:55,339 ALL: Close down HLS! 278 00:12:55,383 --> 00:12:58,168 KEVIN: SHAC's approach was radically different 279 00:12:58,212 --> 00:12:59,822 than prior campaigns 280 00:12:59,866 --> 00:13:02,869 because tertiary targets were being chosen. 281 00:13:02,912 --> 00:13:05,697 Companies that Huntingdon needs to survive, 282 00:13:05,741 --> 00:13:08,439 but are companies that don't need Huntingdon. 283 00:13:08,483 --> 00:13:09,919 WILL: The reason that was a success 284 00:13:09,963 --> 00:13:12,400 was because they were following the money. 285 00:13:12,443 --> 00:13:14,619 KEVIN: They started targeting their financiers, 286 00:13:14,663 --> 00:13:16,578 their shareholders, their banks. 287 00:13:27,676 --> 00:13:29,504 KEVIN: It was having an immediate effect. 288 00:13:29,547 --> 00:13:31,288 The share price nosedived. 289 00:13:31,332 --> 00:13:33,856 Huntingdon became a pariah. 290 00:13:39,514 --> 00:13:42,647 BRIAN: Pretty quickly it was impossible for us to get 291 00:13:42,691 --> 00:13:44,736 a bank account in this country, 292 00:13:44,780 --> 00:13:46,695 or insurance coverage in this country. 293 00:13:46,738 --> 00:13:51,091 And unfortunately we lost a lot of shareholders as well. 294 00:13:51,134 --> 00:13:52,919 WILL: They took one hit after another. 295 00:13:52,962 --> 00:13:54,921 They found their investors backing out. 296 00:13:54,964 --> 00:13:57,967 Including the most important, the Royal Bank of Scotland. 297 00:13:58,011 --> 00:13:59,273 NEWS REPORTER: The year-long protest 298 00:13:59,316 --> 00:14:01,101 against the laboratory succeeded 299 00:14:01,144 --> 00:14:02,798 in closing it down. 300 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,887 But at the last minute, an anonymous overseas backer 301 00:14:04,931 --> 00:14:06,846 came up with a rescue package. 302 00:14:06,889 --> 00:14:08,282 WILL: The only way that they were saved 303 00:14:08,325 --> 00:14:10,893 was from a 33 million-dollar bail-out 304 00:14:10,937 --> 00:14:12,286 from a U.S. company. 305 00:14:12,329 --> 00:14:14,070 KEVIN: This is coming to the U.S. 306 00:14:14,114 --> 00:14:17,204 and everybody's participation is being sought after. 307 00:14:21,773 --> 00:14:23,253 NEWS REPORTER: ...our viewers that, 308 00:14:23,297 --> 00:14:25,081 we're going to show you what is unfolding... 309 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:26,735 NEWS REPORTER 1: There's the harpoon. There's the whale. 310 00:14:26,778 --> 00:14:28,389 NEWS REPORTER 2: And there goes the first gunshot 311 00:14:28,432 --> 00:14:31,522 from the, uh, 5 caliber rifle. 312 00:14:31,566 --> 00:14:33,611 JOSH: And I look over and I... 313 00:14:33,655 --> 00:14:35,222 You're driving, you know, 314 00:14:35,265 --> 00:14:36,919 and I'm seeing them past you. 315 00:14:36,963 --> 00:14:40,444 And they're all up on the bow of the ship holding shotguns. 316 00:14:40,488 --> 00:14:42,229 And you just have that moment of, like, 317 00:14:42,272 --> 00:14:44,318 -how the fuck did we get here? 318 00:14:44,361 --> 00:14:45,754 Like, I'm on the ocean 319 00:14:45,797 --> 00:14:47,669 sabotaging a whale hunt. 320 00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:50,193 NEWS REPORTER: But they have a target. The whale's back up. 321 00:14:50,237 --> 00:14:51,716 JAKE: Sure enough, the guy in the front 322 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:52,979 of the boat goes up with his elephant gun 323 00:14:53,022 --> 00:14:54,719 to shoot this whale in the back. 324 00:14:54,763 --> 00:14:57,548 I just see Josh take out a flare... a lit flare and... 325 00:14:57,592 --> 00:15:00,247 ...throw it over the bow of the boat 326 00:15:00,290 --> 00:15:01,596 and I'm like, "Well, fuck it." 327 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:03,337 Consequences be damned. 328 00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:04,991 Let's get the job done. 329 00:15:05,034 --> 00:15:07,341 JOSH: The sole reason that I chose 330 00:15:07,384 --> 00:15:09,386 Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty 331 00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:13,608 versus the myriad other groups out there 332 00:15:13,651 --> 00:15:15,915 was the footage. 333 00:15:15,958 --> 00:15:17,960 One of the most horrifying things for me 334 00:15:18,004 --> 00:15:19,483 was that it featured, 335 00:15:19,527 --> 00:15:21,529 what was supposed to be a necropsy 336 00:15:21,572 --> 00:15:22,965 on a primate. 337 00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:24,488 The primate was still alive 338 00:15:24,532 --> 00:15:26,360 and was still clearly breathing. 339 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:28,057 And... 340 00:15:29,406 --> 00:15:31,974 Under no anesthetics... 341 00:15:32,018 --> 00:15:34,194 And this man was just callously 342 00:15:34,237 --> 00:15:35,935 cutting open his chest. 343 00:15:38,459 --> 00:15:40,374 And you can see his heart still beating. 344 00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:44,595 And I hated those fuckers. 345 00:15:46,162 --> 00:15:48,817 KEVIN: Josh Harper, he's got one of the biggest hearts 346 00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:50,732 of anybody I know. 347 00:15:50,775 --> 00:15:52,690 JOSH: I remember being 14 years old 348 00:15:52,734 --> 00:15:55,432 and getting involved in punk rock music. 349 00:15:55,476 --> 00:15:59,001 We ain't preaching but this our opinion, 350 00:15:59,045 --> 00:16:01,482 everybody's got a right to free speech. 351 00:16:01,525 --> 00:16:04,485 Nazi redneck assholes, fuck off. 352 00:16:07,053 --> 00:16:09,881 JOSH: Reading the liner notes of all these albums... 353 00:16:09,925 --> 00:16:12,145 You know, hearing these lyrics 354 00:16:12,188 --> 00:16:14,669 about what was going on in the world, 355 00:16:14,712 --> 00:16:16,497 it helped to politicize me. 356 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:19,848 As I started to dig 357 00:16:19,891 --> 00:16:22,982 more into the history 358 00:16:23,025 --> 00:16:25,158 of how change occurs, 359 00:16:25,201 --> 00:16:28,422 I realized that at every turn, 360 00:16:28,465 --> 00:16:31,555 every ounce of progress that we've had, 361 00:16:31,599 --> 00:16:33,688 towards the more just world 362 00:16:33,731 --> 00:16:35,429 has come because 363 00:16:35,472 --> 00:16:38,388 there were people who were willing to fight 364 00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:40,695 and willing to sacrifice... 365 00:16:43,524 --> 00:16:45,700 and really willing to suffer. 366 00:16:48,355 --> 00:16:53,403 Not all of them ended up succeeding in their struggles. 367 00:16:53,447 --> 00:16:56,189 But there's something beautiful 368 00:16:56,232 --> 00:16:57,668 about a person 369 00:16:57,712 --> 00:16:59,931 who has a degree of selflessness 370 00:16:59,975 --> 00:17:03,152 that takes them from their comfort 371 00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:05,415 and propels them out into the world 372 00:17:05,459 --> 00:17:07,330 against great odds, 373 00:17:07,374 --> 00:17:08,984 and often ends 374 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,030 in... in tragedy. 375 00:17:19,908 --> 00:17:21,388 WOMAN: Okay. Your turn. 376 00:17:27,568 --> 00:17:31,224 JOSH: At times, these issues get to be a real abstraction, 377 00:17:31,267 --> 00:17:33,313 500 a day, 70,000 a year, 378 00:17:33,356 --> 00:17:36,055 but we forget that their lives are very real, 379 00:17:36,098 --> 00:17:37,969 very tangible to them. 380 00:17:38,013 --> 00:17:40,276 And so I wanted to be here, I wanted to be near the lab, 381 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,018 I wanted to see where it was all happening. 382 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,120 JOSH: I wanted to send them a message 383 00:17:58,164 --> 00:18:00,296 that they are not safe from me anywhere. 384 00:18:18,314 --> 00:18:21,361 JOSH: HLS owed millions of dollars 385 00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:24,277 and Stephens bought that debt 386 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,148 and we wanted them to recall it. 387 00:18:26,192 --> 00:18:28,237 KEVIN: We promised if Stephens divested 'em, 388 00:18:28,281 --> 00:18:29,891 Huntingdon would be no more. 389 00:18:29,934 --> 00:18:31,327 They were the crutch 390 00:18:31,371 --> 00:18:33,416 Huntingdon was leaning on to survive. 391 00:18:33,460 --> 00:18:34,983 WARREN: If you wanna sit down and have 392 00:18:35,026 --> 00:18:37,072 a scientific factual debate, 393 00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:39,248 that's fine. 394 00:18:39,292 --> 00:18:40,380 Let's do it. 395 00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:42,730 But they won't do that. 396 00:18:42,773 --> 00:18:44,123 KEVIN: I just simply called 397 00:18:44,166 --> 00:18:46,299 and I asked to speak to Warren Stephens, 398 00:18:46,342 --> 00:18:48,518 the President and CEO, he wouldn't take my call. 399 00:18:48,562 --> 00:18:50,259 NEWS REPORTER: Warren Stephens says his company 400 00:18:50,303 --> 00:18:52,827 will not divest their holdings in Huntingdon. 401 00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:54,045 You know, the animals are treated 402 00:18:54,089 --> 00:18:56,004 as humanely as they possibly can be. 403 00:18:56,047 --> 00:18:58,746 JOSH: My mission was to go to the south 404 00:18:58,789 --> 00:19:00,226 and let them know 405 00:19:00,269 --> 00:19:02,532 you are going to have to deal with some consequences 406 00:19:02,576 --> 00:19:04,708 for your dealings with HLS. 407 00:19:04,752 --> 00:19:07,189 NEWS REPORTER: Hundreds of protesters are reportedly coming to town 408 00:19:07,233 --> 00:19:09,191 to call attention to Stephens' investments 409 00:19:09,235 --> 00:19:10,888 in a research company they say 410 00:19:10,932 --> 00:19:14,022 "Commits horrific acts to animals." 411 00:19:14,065 --> 00:19:17,199 WOMAN: Welcome to the beautiful Little Rock, Arkansas. 412 00:19:17,243 --> 00:19:20,637 JAKE: We were driving around looking at potential protest targets. 413 00:19:20,681 --> 00:19:23,074 We drove to the gas station. 414 00:19:23,118 --> 00:19:25,076 I went in to buy something like orange juice or something 415 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,687 and the woman was freaking out and she said, 416 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:28,950 "We're under attack! We're under attack!" 417 00:19:28,993 --> 00:19:30,256 I was like, "What are you talking about?" 418 00:19:30,299 --> 00:19:32,345 She's like, "They're dropping planes on us." 419 00:19:32,388 --> 00:19:33,650 And I was like, "What?" 420 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,744 WILL: After the September 11th attacks, 421 00:19:40,788 --> 00:19:43,747 it was, you know, a different environment, 422 00:19:43,791 --> 00:19:45,923 to put it mildly, and there was a lot of discussion 423 00:19:45,967 --> 00:19:48,448 of whether the protest should continue 424 00:19:48,491 --> 00:19:51,625 Little Rock was October 29th, 2001. 425 00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:53,453 It was just a month and a half away. 426 00:19:53,496 --> 00:19:57,108 JOSH: There was this Bush administration campaign 427 00:19:57,152 --> 00:19:59,676 of, you know, you're with us or against us. 428 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,722 Either you're with us 429 00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:03,854 or you are with the terrorists. 430 00:20:03,898 --> 00:20:07,510 JOSH: You know, everyone's gotta unite behind this cause. 431 00:20:07,554 --> 00:20:08,903 The cause was, 432 00:20:08,946 --> 00:20:11,384 "Shut the fuck up and consume." 433 00:20:11,427 --> 00:20:13,255 KEVIN: It became apparent after about a week 434 00:20:13,299 --> 00:20:15,866 when George Bush encouraged everybody to go shopping, 435 00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:17,955 and football had to be played, 436 00:20:17,999 --> 00:20:20,654 that protests had to be held. 437 00:20:20,697 --> 00:20:22,786 We were gonna do our part too. 438 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:25,485 USA! USA! 439 00:20:25,528 --> 00:20:27,313 It became very clear that there is gonna be 440 00:20:27,356 --> 00:20:28,662 some really big changes. 441 00:20:28,705 --> 00:20:30,359 There was also a sense that hopefully, 442 00:20:30,403 --> 00:20:32,709 law enforcements' focus was on something else 443 00:20:32,753 --> 00:20:34,189 besides political activists. 444 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:36,626 But obviously, it was the opposite. 445 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:38,106 BUSH: Our war on terror 446 00:20:38,933 --> 00:20:41,849 begins with Al-Qaeda. 447 00:20:41,892 --> 00:20:43,894 -But it does not end there. 448 00:21:08,615 --> 00:21:10,704 MAN: Well, people that have been in all this crap that we've been, 449 00:21:10,747 --> 00:21:12,880 collecting their license plate numbers, 450 00:21:12,923 --> 00:21:16,057 they got it from damn near every state in the Union here. 451 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:17,885 KEVIN: We thought it was important to send a message 452 00:21:17,928 --> 00:21:19,452 to Warren Stephens personally, 453 00:21:19,495 --> 00:21:22,193 that we're gonna come directly to your goddamn doorstep. 454 00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:29,418 JOSH: I understand why home demonstrations 455 00:21:29,462 --> 00:21:32,421 and personal targeting is so controversial. 456 00:21:32,465 --> 00:21:35,859 But when you take a billionaire like Warren Stephens, 457 00:21:35,903 --> 00:21:38,209 he's got this tremendous amount of comfort, 458 00:21:38,253 --> 00:21:40,124 billions of dollars. 459 00:21:40,168 --> 00:21:41,735 And on the other hand, 460 00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:44,041 there's this group of activists and all they're doing 461 00:21:44,085 --> 00:21:46,653 is passing out leaflets, and holding signs. 462 00:21:46,696 --> 00:21:49,351 Money wins. Money wins that situation. 463 00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:52,746 But if you suddenly start making it clear 464 00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:54,878 that he has to deal with you. 465 00:21:54,922 --> 00:21:58,186 'Cause every time he plays golf, there you are. 466 00:21:58,229 --> 00:22:01,494 When he goes out shopping, there you are. 467 00:22:01,537 --> 00:22:04,235 And when he comes home, there you are. 468 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:05,933 WOMAN: We're everywhere you are 469 00:22:05,976 --> 00:22:07,630 and everywhere your executives are. 470 00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:10,633 REPORTER: There is concern that the anger 471 00:22:10,677 --> 00:22:12,940 activists feel towards Stephens Incorporated 472 00:22:12,983 --> 00:22:14,245 could turn violent. 473 00:22:14,289 --> 00:22:16,465 As the members, um, the leaders of this gang, 474 00:22:16,509 --> 00:22:19,033 tried to, um, terrori... 475 00:22:19,076 --> 00:22:21,122 I'm sorry, they're trying to show their threat 476 00:22:21,165 --> 00:22:23,646 that they're going to do today. 477 00:22:25,735 --> 00:22:27,302 JOSH: This was a legal demonstration. 478 00:22:27,346 --> 00:22:29,130 We had gotten permits. 479 00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:30,436 When we showed up, 480 00:22:30,479 --> 00:22:32,568 they'd surrounded the entire area 481 00:22:32,612 --> 00:22:34,701 with this little cage. 482 00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:37,268 We were all supposed to stand inside of this cage 483 00:22:37,312 --> 00:22:39,009 and protest. 484 00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:40,881 DARIUS: The police had set up this free speech zone. 485 00:22:40,924 --> 00:22:42,143 Which makes you wonder, you know, 486 00:22:42,186 --> 00:22:43,579 if this is like, the free speech zone 487 00:22:43,623 --> 00:22:45,799 then what's everything outside of the free speech zone? 488 00:22:45,842 --> 00:22:47,017 Like, the whole country 489 00:22:47,061 --> 00:22:49,019 is supposed to be a free speech zone. 490 00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:50,499 You could come in one at a time 491 00:22:50,543 --> 00:22:52,153 and they insisted on searching everybody. 492 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:54,547 MAN 1: These cops won't even let me have deodorant. 493 00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:56,940 JOSH: They were turning people away for things like, 494 00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,813 having spikes on their jackets. 495 00:22:59,856 --> 00:23:01,858 DARIUS: And the police were just taking their sweet time. 496 00:23:01,902 --> 00:23:04,208 So, we had hundreds of people waiting to get in. 497 00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:05,601 JOSH: Pretty quickly we understood 498 00:23:05,645 --> 00:23:07,081 that this was a tactic 499 00:23:07,124 --> 00:23:09,518 to basically make this protest impotent. 500 00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:11,955 Somebody came to me and they were like, 501 00:23:11,999 --> 00:23:13,392 "This is unacceptable." 502 00:23:13,435 --> 00:23:15,045 People started marching out. 503 00:23:15,089 --> 00:23:16,569 We have a right 504 00:23:16,612 --> 00:23:18,092 under the United States constitution, First Amendment, 505 00:23:18,135 --> 00:23:20,442 and under the Arkansas constitution, Fifth Article 506 00:23:20,486 --> 00:23:21,748 to peacefully assemble. 507 00:23:22,792 --> 00:23:24,968 JOSH: I remember actually saying, 508 00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:27,406 "I think this is a bad plan." 509 00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:30,191 But I headed out. 510 00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:34,021 We started marching around the Stephens building 511 00:23:34,064 --> 00:23:36,327 and eventually came back and converged there. 512 00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:42,812 There was a group of maybe about four or five kids 513 00:23:42,856 --> 00:23:44,945 that started shaking the barricade. 514 00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:53,083 OFFICER: We will use force. 515 00:23:53,127 --> 00:23:56,260 Get away from the barricade. Get away from the barricade. 516 00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:11,058 OFFICER: Stand back! 517 00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:16,280 JOSH: During the police riot, 518 00:24:16,324 --> 00:24:18,892 I heard a cop say, "Get Harper." 519 00:24:18,935 --> 00:24:20,110 Which is my name. 520 00:24:20,154 --> 00:24:22,112 I got pepper-sprayed, 521 00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:24,767 and then I got shot in the face with a rubber bullet. 522 00:24:24,811 --> 00:24:27,335 After the protest, the cops were following me. 523 00:24:27,378 --> 00:24:30,512 I was tackled and dragged into a parking lot 524 00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:32,427 where they punched me in the head, 525 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:34,124 knocked my glasses off, 526 00:24:34,168 --> 00:24:36,692 put me in a chokehold till I couldn't breathe, 527 00:24:36,736 --> 00:24:38,825 handcuffed me 528 00:24:38,868 --> 00:24:41,523 and then carried me down to a bus 529 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:45,005 where I was charged with $11 million in damages. 530 00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:47,224 MAN: Fucking fascists! 531 00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:49,357 LAWYER: Your Honor, I continue to present Mr. Harper, 532 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,837 plead not guilty. 533 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,534 JOSH: Some of the people who were arrested 534 00:24:52,578 --> 00:24:54,623 had never been arrested before. 535 00:24:54,667 --> 00:24:56,930 In some cases, this was the first demonstration 536 00:24:56,973 --> 00:24:58,540 that they had ever attended. 537 00:24:58,584 --> 00:25:01,500 Many of them were standing legally on the sidewalk 538 00:25:01,543 --> 00:25:03,023 when the cops rushed in 539 00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:04,894 and just started snatching people at random. 540 00:25:04,938 --> 00:25:06,940 JILL: A policeman comes from behind me 541 00:25:06,983 --> 00:25:08,419 and he says, "Get out of here." 542 00:25:08,463 --> 00:25:10,421 And then another cop grabs me from behind 543 00:25:10,465 --> 00:25:13,076 and puts the cuffs on me and tells me I'm under arrest. 544 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,210 And I said, "That policeman just told me to get out of here 545 00:25:16,253 --> 00:25:18,081 and I'm trying to follow his instructions." 546 00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:19,561 Didn't matter. 547 00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:21,868 And there's something very radicalizing about that. 548 00:25:21,911 --> 00:25:23,522 JILL: Honestly, I think the Little Rock police 549 00:25:23,565 --> 00:25:25,480 are the ones that put us 550 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,264 on the suspected terrorist list. 551 00:25:27,308 --> 00:25:29,179 Just for standing on the street, 552 00:25:29,223 --> 00:25:31,051 they put us on this list. 553 00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:33,793 JOSH: They started going back to their communities 554 00:25:33,836 --> 00:25:35,969 and they were outraged and they were angry... 555 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:39,538 And they were raring to go. 556 00:25:39,581 --> 00:25:40,974 WILL: Stephens Inc, from day one 557 00:25:41,017 --> 00:25:42,279 said they were not gonna bow to pressure. 558 00:25:42,323 --> 00:25:43,759 But a few things were happening. 559 00:25:43,803 --> 00:25:45,718 One was that, the SHAC campaign 560 00:25:45,761 --> 00:25:50,026 the lawful, above ground protest campaign continued. 561 00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:51,811 REPORTER: Police say they were well-prepared, 562 00:25:51,854 --> 00:25:53,726 but that preparation came at a cost 563 00:25:53,769 --> 00:25:56,119 of more than $200,000. 564 00:25:56,163 --> 00:25:59,122 JOSH: The cops were going to Warren Stephens and saying, 565 00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:02,082 "Your company makes billions and now half of our budget 566 00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:04,519 is gone because of one protest." 567 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:07,261 At the same time, the underground covert elements 568 00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:09,698 continued their illegal activity as well. 569 00:26:09,742 --> 00:26:12,222 KEVIN: They found out Warren Stephens personal credit card 570 00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:14,007 charged $100,000 on it, 571 00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:16,575 buying them cappuccino makers and washing machines. 572 00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,185 They also found out where his 573 00:26:18,228 --> 00:26:19,752 eight million dollars penthouse apartment was. 574 00:26:19,795 --> 00:26:21,144 They threw red paint all over it 575 00:26:21,188 --> 00:26:22,581 and smashed the front window. 576 00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:25,627 There was an uncontrollable element 577 00:26:25,671 --> 00:26:27,542 to this movement 578 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:29,805 that was even beyond SHAC. 579 00:26:29,849 --> 00:26:31,633 That was taking things to a level 580 00:26:31,677 --> 00:26:33,896 that made it way too uncomfortable 581 00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:35,463 to stay connected to Huntingdon. 582 00:26:35,506 --> 00:26:38,901 This combination of relentless, above-ground organizing 583 00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:42,557 and relentless underground or illegal activity as well, 584 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:45,560 all helped to force the hand of Stephens Inc. 585 00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:46,822 REPORTER: Stephens sold its stock 586 00:26:46,866 --> 00:26:48,345 in the medical testing lab. 587 00:26:48,389 --> 00:26:50,391 A decision Stephens officials say 588 00:26:50,434 --> 00:26:52,654 had nothing to do with this protest. 589 00:26:52,698 --> 00:26:55,309 It was a business decision that's good for everybody, 590 00:26:55,352 --> 00:26:57,093 Huntingdon, us and the new entity 591 00:26:57,137 --> 00:27:00,009 that's gonna be the majority owner. 592 00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:02,533 I felt... 593 00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:06,712 I felt and I feel wonderful about beating Stephens. 594 00:27:06,755 --> 00:27:10,498 All of the money and all of the resources they had, 595 00:27:10,541 --> 00:27:13,283 and to be able to stare them down 596 00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:17,897 and say, "We won this time. We won." 597 00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:24,033 KEVIN: It was satisfying on like, a personal level 598 00:27:24,077 --> 00:27:27,036 because we got mano a mano with this billionaire brat 599 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,517 who thought he could stand up to us. 600 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,301 And we won. 601 00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:32,999 It wasn't satisfying in that, 602 00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:36,480 "Oh, finally this place is done and we can move on." 603 00:27:36,524 --> 00:27:38,874 It didn't pan out that way. 604 00:27:38,918 --> 00:27:40,789 Somebody bought the damn shares. 605 00:27:43,096 --> 00:27:45,707 KEVIN: We set up a little house and operated out of there. 606 00:27:45,751 --> 00:27:47,883 The whole top floor was an office. 607 00:27:47,927 --> 00:27:49,711 When I went to work in the SHAC office, 608 00:27:49,755 --> 00:27:51,495 I was only supposed to go for three months. 609 00:27:51,539 --> 00:27:53,062 And I never came back. 610 00:27:53,106 --> 00:27:55,935 MAN: We weren't paid. We were all broke. 611 00:27:55,978 --> 00:27:57,850 JAKE: I think we just had to roll a carpet on the floor 612 00:27:57,893 --> 00:27:59,808 that everyone sat on. 613 00:27:59,852 --> 00:28:01,897 MAN: We were able to raise enough money through donations 614 00:28:01,941 --> 00:28:03,116 to pay for the rent. 615 00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:04,900 I couldn't believe that they had sacrificed 616 00:28:04,944 --> 00:28:06,641 and had given up absolutely everything. 617 00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:08,077 They just had no food 618 00:28:08,121 --> 00:28:09,296 in the house that they were living in. 619 00:28:09,339 --> 00:28:10,993 They drink fasting tea. 620 00:28:11,037 --> 00:28:13,735 You wake up and your stomach is growling and you're hungry, 621 00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:15,215 and you drink fasting tea. 622 00:28:15,258 --> 00:28:17,130 MAN: We worked, you know, seven days a week, 623 00:28:17,173 --> 00:28:18,914 sometimes 15, 18 hours a day. 624 00:28:18,958 --> 00:28:20,220 JAKE: This is how I'd go about 625 00:28:20,263 --> 00:28:21,917 working on some of the projects. 626 00:28:21,961 --> 00:28:23,353 You know, we'd come up with something very generic 627 00:28:23,397 --> 00:28:24,920 and then I'd maybe sketch out a few ideas 628 00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:26,400 and then I put it into action. 629 00:28:26,443 --> 00:28:29,272 KEVIN: We put an advertisement in for a brick. 630 00:28:29,316 --> 00:28:30,752 You know, 631 00:28:30,796 --> 00:28:33,668 a smashing idea in the war on vivisection. 632 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,583 After a while, we just kind of got a reputation 633 00:28:35,626 --> 00:28:36,889 for being smartasses. 634 00:28:36,932 --> 00:28:39,630 Learn to recognize gang members. 635 00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:44,548 That's good, huh? 636 00:28:44,592 --> 00:28:45,941 SHAC as a campaign, 637 00:28:45,985 --> 00:28:47,856 coordinated national campaign targets 638 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:50,467 in the dissemination of information. 639 00:28:50,511 --> 00:28:53,122 But it was left up to the local groups 640 00:28:53,166 --> 00:28:55,472 as to how they wanted to use that information. 641 00:28:55,516 --> 00:28:58,388 ACTIVIST: The website was the cornerstone of the campaign. 642 00:28:58,432 --> 00:28:59,955 Everything that happened in the campaign 643 00:28:59,999 --> 00:29:01,435 went up on that website. 644 00:29:01,478 --> 00:29:03,785 It was mobilization, energy and excitement. 645 00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:07,006 Up to date, minute-by-minute reports of what your communities 646 00:29:07,049 --> 00:29:09,138 across the world were doing. 647 00:29:09,182 --> 00:29:11,314 JOSH: And this was before Facebook. 648 00:29:11,358 --> 00:29:12,925 It was a complete turning point 649 00:29:12,968 --> 00:29:15,405 in social movement organizing. 650 00:29:15,449 --> 00:29:17,016 LINDSAY: Any time we read an update, 651 00:29:17,059 --> 00:29:20,454 we really felt like a part of, like, the bigger campaigns. 652 00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,286 Oh, fudge. 653 00:29:27,461 --> 00:29:28,331 All right. 654 00:29:28,375 --> 00:29:29,593 Story of my life. 655 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:31,770 Always a little bit out of gas. 656 00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:34,207 We're punk kids, 657 00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:35,512 we don't have money to be throwing around 658 00:29:35,556 --> 00:29:36,818 to change the world. 659 00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:39,168 I don't keep a gas can in my car 660 00:29:39,212 --> 00:29:40,953 because I dread that one day, that like, 661 00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:42,824 the cops pull me over and then say 662 00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:46,132 I'm in possession of bomb-making instruments 663 00:29:46,175 --> 00:29:47,524 or some bullshit like that. 664 00:29:47,568 --> 00:29:49,657 So instead, we just see the ebb and flow 665 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:51,267 of where the money is. 666 00:29:52,573 --> 00:29:54,096 Yeah, 40 cents of gas. 667 00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:55,532 And through our direct actions 668 00:29:55,576 --> 00:29:58,448 we're gonna try to become part of this process. 669 00:29:58,492 --> 00:30:00,102 You haven't been part of the corporate world 670 00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:01,364 and you don't know how they work, 671 00:30:01,408 --> 00:30:02,496 but you can figure all that stuff out. 672 00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:05,586 JAKE: Then you understand not only its strengths, 673 00:30:05,629 --> 00:30:07,283 but you understand its weaknesses. 674 00:30:07,327 --> 00:30:09,720 And then, you can start picking these places apart. 675 00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:12,680 ANDY: Something like Huntingdon Life Sciences 676 00:30:12,723 --> 00:30:15,988 needs to be targeted, financially. 677 00:30:16,031 --> 00:30:18,294 Because they speak in the language of money. 678 00:30:18,338 --> 00:30:20,862 JAKE: One of us just called up someone at the SCC 679 00:30:20,906 --> 00:30:22,777 and we pretended that we were college students. 680 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:24,344 And was like, "Hey, can you answer some questions 681 00:30:24,387 --> 00:30:26,476 about how financials work for a corporation?" 682 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,827 And this person was really excited to tell them. 683 00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:30,916 I think we carried on a relationship with that person 684 00:30:30,959 --> 00:30:32,656 for almost two years of just being like, 685 00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:34,876 "Hey, it's so-and-so, doing my papers still. 686 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,747 Like, could you answer this question for me? 687 00:30:36,791 --> 00:30:38,314 What's a market maker?" 688 00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:39,925 This stuff is really complicated. 689 00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:41,883 They had to learn about the pink sheets 690 00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:43,276 and market makers. 691 00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:45,060 And this is not the type of campaigning 692 00:30:45,104 --> 00:30:46,540 that a lot of people are willing to do. 693 00:30:46,583 --> 00:30:48,498 It's not glamorous, it's not fun. 694 00:30:48,542 --> 00:30:50,761 This movement embraced those tactics 695 00:30:50,805 --> 00:30:52,894 because they realized it had the potential for change. 696 00:30:54,504 --> 00:30:56,158 There were hundreds of companies 697 00:30:56,202 --> 00:30:58,204 that were severing themselves from this laboratory 698 00:30:58,247 --> 00:31:00,554 'cause they didn't want to put up with activist pressure. 699 00:31:00,597 --> 00:31:02,556 So, because I work for a company? 700 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:04,166 -Yes. -Absolutely. 701 00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:05,907 You guys are interrupting my family. 702 00:31:07,387 --> 00:31:09,432 They just sent me 3,000 e-mails today. 703 00:31:09,476 --> 00:31:11,130 And now they're at my door. 704 00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:12,479 What the fuck? 705 00:31:12,522 --> 00:31:14,133 We'd kinda look at what other cities were active 706 00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:16,265 and say, "Oh, we're gonna do a better demonstration than them. 707 00:31:16,309 --> 00:31:17,353 We're gonna have more people." 708 00:31:17,397 --> 00:31:19,051 Keep any business 709 00:31:19,094 --> 00:31:22,054 from having anything to do with Huntingdon Life Sciences. 710 00:31:22,097 --> 00:31:23,446 There are no lab coats 711 00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:25,361 because the linen service is no longer functioning. 712 00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:26,797 Trash is piling up because 713 00:31:26,841 --> 00:31:28,843 the waste removal company is not working with you. 714 00:31:28,887 --> 00:31:31,933 KEVIN: Huntingdon's janitors quit, the cafeteria supplier quit. 715 00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:33,369 Internet companies, auditors. 716 00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:35,850 The idea was, we will stick with this until we win. 717 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:37,896 JAKE: Phone blockades, e-mail blockades. 718 00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:39,332 Denial of service attacks. 719 00:31:41,073 --> 00:31:42,944 No one would participate on their board anymore. 720 00:31:42,988 --> 00:31:44,641 We love animals too. 721 00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:47,166 We would never hurt an animal. 722 00:31:47,209 --> 00:31:48,819 -Never. -WOMAN: But you do! 723 00:31:48,863 --> 00:31:51,735 We started this protest campaign against a guy in Pakistan. 724 00:31:51,779 --> 00:31:53,128 He called up and said, "I don't want to deal 725 00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:55,087 with you people anymore. I'm quitting." 726 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:58,525 The largest accounting firm in the world, just backed up within 24 hours. 727 00:31:58,568 --> 00:32:00,048 After looking at the SHAC website, 728 00:32:00,092 --> 00:32:01,571 they do not want to be part of this. 729 00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:05,662 KEVIN: The world's biggest financial corporation, 730 00:32:05,706 --> 00:32:07,708 Citibank, Merrill Lynch, Charles Schwab, 731 00:32:07,751 --> 00:32:10,363 they realized one thing, that it wasn't worth it. 732 00:32:10,406 --> 00:32:11,581 ACTIVIST: Their share price dropped from like 733 00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,670 $30 to a few pennies. 734 00:32:13,714 --> 00:32:16,412 KEVIN: Try suing us, it doesn't work! 735 00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:19,546 Try the FBI, try police beatings. 736 00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:21,983 We don't fucking care! 737 00:32:22,027 --> 00:32:23,637 We're never going away 738 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,421 and we always win. 739 00:32:25,465 --> 00:32:27,293 We really felt unstoppable at that point. 740 00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,251 REPORTER: This week activists vomited 741 00:32:29,295 --> 00:32:32,080 on an HLS display table at a pharmacological conference 742 00:32:32,124 --> 00:32:33,864 in San Francisco, on Monday, 743 00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,606 and then turned over tables yesterday. 744 00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:40,001 We're gonna be a royal pain in the ass 745 00:32:40,045 --> 00:32:42,699 and then a rude embarrassment 746 00:32:42,743 --> 00:32:44,397 to any company 747 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,399 that is connected to Huntingdon. 748 00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:49,184 Ah, well, first of all, 749 00:32:49,228 --> 00:32:52,013 I'd like to thank all the federal agents 750 00:32:52,057 --> 00:32:54,450 and informants who made it out tonight. 751 00:32:54,494 --> 00:32:56,017 It's always special to see you. 752 00:32:58,933 --> 00:33:01,762 You know, I don't know if there would've been a campaign without hubris. 753 00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:03,590 You have to have a degree of arrogance 754 00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:07,855 to think you can take on multinational corporations 755 00:33:07,898 --> 00:33:09,422 and win. 756 00:33:09,465 --> 00:33:11,467 But then I think, underestimating 757 00:33:11,511 --> 00:33:13,382 the connections of those individuals 758 00:33:13,426 --> 00:33:15,994 and how far that they were willing to go to push back. 759 00:33:24,872 --> 00:33:28,310 They started out small by watching us. 760 00:33:28,354 --> 00:33:30,269 There was this sedan. 761 00:33:30,312 --> 00:33:32,488 There were these two guys that were clearly agents. 762 00:33:32,532 --> 00:33:33,968 You knock on the window and they go, 763 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,796 "Yeah, I'm gonna leave now. I'm gonna go to the store, 764 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:37,624 I'm gonna go to the video store, maybe get a movie or something. 765 00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:39,104 You guys ready? You ready?" 766 00:33:39,147 --> 00:33:40,018 They're like, "Yeah." 767 00:33:51,203 --> 00:33:52,508 Since that failed, 768 00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:54,336 they started searching our trashes. 769 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,035 Here is these two well-dressed men, 770 00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:59,515 they're rifling through my garbage. 771 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,301 Uh, so we started coming out here all the time 772 00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:05,130 with all the cat litter boxes 773 00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,219 and dumping it all over our garbage. 774 00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:09,612 Anybody who has studied 775 00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:12,093 resistance movements in this country 776 00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:14,095 understands that the FBI 777 00:34:14,139 --> 00:34:16,141 has always been an enemy 778 00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:19,448 to people who are attempting to create change. 779 00:34:19,492 --> 00:34:22,234 And then here, it bears out, how I also feel about the FBI, 780 00:34:22,799 --> 00:34:24,801 that I hate them. 781 00:34:24,845 --> 00:34:27,891 I think they're perverse, pathetic bullies. 782 00:34:38,032 --> 00:34:39,686 MAN: People are back here demonstrating 783 00:34:39,729 --> 00:34:41,340 in front of Harper's house. 784 00:34:41,383 --> 00:34:43,168 They have picketers, they got bullhorns. 785 00:34:43,211 --> 00:34:44,560 They're here to harass these people. 786 00:34:44,604 --> 00:34:45,822 We have an injunction against them. 787 00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:59,140 The law has been something where I've said, "This is what I was made to do." 788 00:34:59,184 --> 00:35:00,533 Some people are good at sports, 789 00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:01,751 I'm good at the law, 790 00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:03,797 including following it, I might point out. 791 00:35:05,407 --> 00:35:07,105 Um, you know... 792 00:35:08,236 --> 00:35:09,759 some would disagree. 793 00:35:32,956 --> 00:35:34,523 WILL: Protests at individuals' homes 794 00:35:34,567 --> 00:35:36,569 is certainly controversial, 795 00:35:36,612 --> 00:35:38,658 but it's also constitutionally protected. 796 00:35:38,701 --> 00:35:40,573 Sometimes there are local ordinances 797 00:35:40,616 --> 00:35:43,010 or some kind of injunction that comes into play, 798 00:35:43,053 --> 00:35:46,231 attempting to rewrite that First Amendment protection. 799 00:35:46,274 --> 00:35:47,580 KEVIN: You can't do demonstrations 800 00:35:47,623 --> 00:35:49,059 unless it's between 4:00 and 6:00, 801 00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:50,365 and you can't have a bullhorn, 802 00:35:50,409 --> 00:35:51,801 and there can only be ten people 803 00:35:51,845 --> 00:35:53,803 and you have to give 72 hours' notice. 804 00:35:53,847 --> 00:35:56,371 Well, fine. We'd follow those instructions to a T, 805 00:35:56,415 --> 00:35:57,807 but we wouldn't stop going. 806 00:35:57,851 --> 00:35:59,679 LAUREN: Your neighbors don't like us here. 807 00:35:59,722 --> 00:36:02,247 We're not going away until your company severs ties 808 00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:03,813 with Huntingdon Life Sciences. 809 00:36:03,857 --> 00:36:05,685 LAUREN: I received an indictment in the mail, 810 00:36:05,728 --> 00:36:07,382 charging me with, 811 00:36:07,426 --> 00:36:09,863 I believe, threats, extortion and conspiracy to commit both, 812 00:36:09,906 --> 00:36:11,952 and I was facing 20 years in prison. 813 00:36:13,258 --> 00:36:15,782 I read the complaint, and I got very nervous. 814 00:36:15,825 --> 00:36:17,305 I thought to myself, 815 00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:20,352 "Hmm, everything they've said in here is true." 816 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:27,663 OREN: They're chanting, "Burn this house to the ground." 817 00:36:27,707 --> 00:36:29,056 That's unacceptable. 818 00:36:29,099 --> 00:36:31,101 That's just not what we do in this country 819 00:36:31,145 --> 00:36:32,494 to get things done. 820 00:36:32,538 --> 00:36:34,279 There were attempts by Marsh using that example, 821 00:36:34,322 --> 00:36:35,845 raising the spectra that they might actually 822 00:36:35,889 --> 00:36:37,934 burn this house to the ground. 823 00:36:37,978 --> 00:36:40,285 JAKE: The SHAC, uh, matches. 824 00:36:40,328 --> 00:36:42,025 One of those things we probably should've thought through 825 00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:43,549 a little more before actually doing. 826 00:36:43,592 --> 00:36:45,681 Yeah, they have a little, like, ALF guy on the cover 827 00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:47,770 and that says, "Smash HLS," 828 00:36:47,814 --> 00:36:50,338 and the back says, "Strike a match." 829 00:36:50,382 --> 00:36:53,211 And the inside, Huntingdon Life Sciences' address. 830 00:36:53,254 --> 00:36:55,648 Not that we're inciting anything, 831 00:36:55,691 --> 00:36:58,259 but just in case people need 'em. 832 00:36:58,303 --> 00:36:59,347 WILL: They knew the ins and outs 833 00:36:59,391 --> 00:37:00,827 of civil rights campaigning, 834 00:37:00,870 --> 00:37:04,309 and decisions like NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware. 835 00:37:04,352 --> 00:37:06,746 The scope to which you're able to engage, 836 00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:09,096 in not just controversial speech, 837 00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:11,881 but really bold, ambitious speech 838 00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:14,493 that in a lot of other countries would be over the line. 839 00:37:14,536 --> 00:37:17,278 But the First Amendment case law in the United States 840 00:37:17,322 --> 00:37:18,410 has defended all of it. 841 00:37:18,453 --> 00:37:20,716 The First Amendment protects advocacy. 842 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,284 Including advocacy of illegal actions 843 00:37:23,328 --> 00:37:25,808 unless it meets the incitement test. 844 00:37:25,852 --> 00:37:28,507 It's not enough to have outrageous speech. 845 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:30,509 That speech has to result in 846 00:37:30,552 --> 00:37:33,251 what's called imminent and lawless action. 847 00:37:33,294 --> 00:37:36,471 Remember, Arthur, get him alive if you can! 848 00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:37,951 -But get him! 849 00:37:37,994 --> 00:37:40,388 It has to set fire to reason. 850 00:37:40,432 --> 00:37:42,825 ALL: White lives matter! White lives matter! 851 00:37:44,479 --> 00:37:47,090 HEIDI: We will tolerate a wide range 852 00:37:47,134 --> 00:37:50,529 of impassion, even threatening speech, 853 00:37:50,572 --> 00:37:53,923 as long as it doesn't target a specific individual 854 00:37:53,967 --> 00:37:55,316 for imminent harm. 855 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,665 Imminence is the key, 856 00:37:56,709 --> 00:38:01,191 and it really is interpreted to mean immediate. 857 00:38:01,235 --> 00:38:04,456 I don't think that that chant was my most flattering moment. 858 00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:08,373 But I think it's pretty clear I wasn't inciting a mob. 859 00:38:08,416 --> 00:38:10,244 We weren't carrying torches. 860 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,594 There were police, private investigators there 861 00:38:12,638 --> 00:38:14,204 who seemed unconcerned. 862 00:38:14,248 --> 00:38:17,599 I didn't really want the man's house to burn down. 863 00:38:17,643 --> 00:38:21,516 My attorney argued that the speech was protected. 864 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,389 And the court agreed and dismissed the case. 865 00:38:24,432 --> 00:38:27,305 That was a really powerful thing for the campaign, 866 00:38:27,348 --> 00:38:29,959 to understand what it was about the law 867 00:38:30,003 --> 00:38:31,396 that protected what we were doing. 868 00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:40,013 JOSH: You know what people care about? 869 00:38:40,056 --> 00:38:42,711 People care about winning. They care about victory, 870 00:38:42,755 --> 00:38:44,191 and that's the most beautiful thing 871 00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:46,846 about the Huntingdon Life Sciences campaign. 872 00:38:46,889 --> 00:38:48,978 We're not here to tell you how to behave. 873 00:38:49,022 --> 00:38:51,067 What we're here to convince you to do 874 00:38:51,111 --> 00:38:53,331 is to take the personal initiative 875 00:38:53,374 --> 00:38:55,811 to shut this fucking lab down. 876 00:38:57,944 --> 00:38:59,119 WOMAN: Hey, Marsh! 877 00:38:59,162 --> 00:39:02,035 What do you say? 500 animals died today. 878 00:39:02,078 --> 00:39:05,168 Tell your employer to stop insuring HLS. 879 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,963 KEVIN: When a corporation thought 880 00:39:17,006 --> 00:39:19,400 that with all their money and political clout, 881 00:39:19,444 --> 00:39:20,967 they could silence us, 882 00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:23,839 the more recalcitrant and stubborn we became. 883 00:39:23,883 --> 00:39:26,364 Tell your employer this is what happens 884 00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:28,714 when you insure animal cruelty 885 00:39:28,757 --> 00:39:31,281 for your own... 886 00:39:31,325 --> 00:39:32,500 Fuck off my fucking... 887 00:39:32,544 --> 00:39:34,372 WOMAN: Did you tape that? There's a camera. 888 00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:36,199 I don't give a shit. This is my house. 889 00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:42,554 Go ahead and call the cops. 890 00:39:43,729 --> 00:39:45,557 KEVIN: Hey, that's assault, man, sir. 891 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,993 WOMAN: You're fucking... 892 00:39:47,036 --> 00:39:49,648 We encourage anybody no matter where you come from 893 00:39:49,691 --> 00:39:51,040 to get involved. 894 00:39:51,084 --> 00:39:53,216 You can do whatever you feel comfortable doing, 895 00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:54,653 whether that be writing a letter, 896 00:39:54,696 --> 00:39:56,916 making a phone call, going on a demonstration, 897 00:39:56,959 --> 00:39:58,134 throwing a brick through the window 898 00:39:58,178 --> 00:39:59,309 or breaking into Huntingdon 899 00:39:59,353 --> 00:40:00,615 and getting all those animals out. 900 00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:02,443 Whatever you do, we will support. 901 00:40:08,318 --> 00:40:10,190 NEWS REPORTER: An act of domestic terrorism, 902 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:13,280 that's what police are calling two attacks in downtown Seattle. 903 00:40:13,323 --> 00:40:15,978 A military-style smoke grenade flooded offices-- 904 00:40:16,022 --> 00:40:17,806 -NEWS REPORTER 1: Within hours, suspicion focused... 905 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:19,765 on an animal rights organization known as 906 00:40:19,808 --> 00:40:21,680 "Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty." 907 00:40:21,723 --> 00:40:24,422 SHAC praised the attacks targeting Marsh Ltd. 908 00:40:26,162 --> 00:40:27,555 Oh, my fucking God. 909 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,384 I'm the public face of this campaign in this city. 910 00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:33,561 And this is something I do not wanna be blamed for. 911 00:40:33,605 --> 00:40:34,693 And I'm not even sure 912 00:40:34,736 --> 00:40:37,739 if I wanna be seen as... supporting it. 913 00:40:37,783 --> 00:40:41,264 Our organization does not take responsibility, 914 00:40:41,308 --> 00:40:44,050 does not elicit and does not participate 915 00:40:44,093 --> 00:40:47,532 in the underground illegal direct action campaigns. 916 00:40:47,575 --> 00:40:50,317 We support it enthusiastically, but that is not us. 917 00:40:52,014 --> 00:40:54,495 JOSH: I was thinking about the thousands of people 918 00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:57,455 in those buildings who don't know what's going on, 919 00:40:57,498 --> 00:40:59,282 who are panicked. 920 00:40:59,326 --> 00:41:01,589 I didn't know that it was going to 921 00:41:01,633 --> 00:41:04,505 do a whole hell of a lot to help animals 922 00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:06,202 inside of Huntingdon Life Sciences. 923 00:41:08,117 --> 00:41:09,292 JAKE: On occasion, there were things 924 00:41:09,336 --> 00:41:10,816 that people went out and did 925 00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:13,166 we disagreed with tactically or ethically. 926 00:41:13,209 --> 00:41:15,777 And ultimately, we decided that this webpage, 927 00:41:15,821 --> 00:41:18,824 this campaign, this movement belonged to all of us. 928 00:41:18,867 --> 00:41:20,782 And we could all participate in a way that we wanted, 929 00:41:20,826 --> 00:41:22,741 and you can do that without being censored. 930 00:41:22,784 --> 00:41:25,483 MAN: The defendants had a policy with the organization, 931 00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:26,919 that every communique 932 00:41:26,962 --> 00:41:29,748 and message they received anonymously, 933 00:41:29,791 --> 00:41:31,445 it was related to the campaign, 934 00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:33,708 any tactic, they would post on the website. 935 00:41:33,752 --> 00:41:35,536 We get a purchase report, 936 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,451 cut and paste, put it on the website. 937 00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:38,887 JAKE: I mean, we've got thousands 938 00:41:38,931 --> 00:41:40,149 and thousands of reports over the years, 939 00:41:40,193 --> 00:41:41,890 and it was difficult. 940 00:41:41,934 --> 00:41:43,675 A number of times, 941 00:41:43,718 --> 00:41:47,243 we would spend, sometimes days, going for walks in the woods, 942 00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:50,595 and having these really, like, tough discussions about, like, 943 00:41:50,638 --> 00:41:52,074 "We want this to be open to everyone. 944 00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:53,467 We want people to try new things. 945 00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:55,600 We want people to succeed and fail. 946 00:41:55,643 --> 00:41:57,515 And we want people to feel empowered 947 00:41:57,558 --> 00:41:59,038 to do what they think is best." 948 00:41:59,081 --> 00:42:00,735 But at the same time, 949 00:42:00,779 --> 00:42:02,171 what are we promoting, 950 00:42:02,215 --> 00:42:04,609 and what are we putting on our webpage? 951 00:42:04,652 --> 00:42:07,568 Some of the things that I really despise 952 00:42:07,612 --> 00:42:09,918 about the campaign... 953 00:42:09,962 --> 00:42:12,617 I wanna make it clear that I love the people 954 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:15,054 who undertook these actions. 955 00:42:15,097 --> 00:42:19,275 I can see how that would be... totally despicable 956 00:42:19,319 --> 00:42:21,408 to somebody watching this. 957 00:42:21,451 --> 00:42:24,542 How could I love somebody in Dallas 958 00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:27,545 who went to the wrong home 959 00:42:27,588 --> 00:42:29,634 and smashed up the home of somebody 960 00:42:29,677 --> 00:42:33,072 who had nothing to do with Huntingdon Life Sciences? 961 00:42:33,115 --> 00:42:37,946 Some of these heinous things that occurred, um, 962 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:41,602 were committed by people with the best of intentions. 963 00:42:41,646 --> 00:42:43,299 Does that mean 964 00:42:43,343 --> 00:42:45,954 that I forgive them responsibility? 965 00:42:47,303 --> 00:42:49,218 No, um, 966 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,876 but it does mean that I appreciate 967 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,835 that they were taking those risks, 968 00:42:56,878 --> 00:43:00,578 and that they so sincerely wanted to create change. 969 00:43:03,755 --> 00:43:06,584 People need to develop the skills 970 00:43:06,627 --> 00:43:09,804 to resist these multi-national corporations. 971 00:43:09,848 --> 00:43:11,980 People have to take risks. 972 00:43:12,024 --> 00:43:14,504 And they have to learn by trial and error. 973 00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:18,857 Social change always happens 974 00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:20,815 through a wide variety of forces. 975 00:43:20,859 --> 00:43:22,817 It's always pluralistic. 976 00:43:22,861 --> 00:43:25,472 And people wanna revise history. 977 00:43:25,515 --> 00:43:27,300 They wanna say, "Well, Gandhi won 978 00:43:27,343 --> 00:43:29,650 the Indian independence movement alone." 979 00:43:29,694 --> 00:43:31,739 Sorry, Gandhi didn't win it alone. 980 00:43:31,783 --> 00:43:33,219 There were forces 981 00:43:33,262 --> 00:43:34,916 that were violently attacking the British, 982 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,049 and that helped pressure the British to leave India. 983 00:43:37,092 --> 00:43:39,268 Dr. Martin Luther King did not win 984 00:43:39,312 --> 00:43:42,489 the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by himself. 985 00:43:42,532 --> 00:43:45,361 Standing behind him was Malcolm X. 986 00:43:45,405 --> 00:43:48,321 It wasn't hippies that stopped the Vietnam War. 987 00:43:48,364 --> 00:43:50,715 It was the Vietnamese peasantry 988 00:43:50,758 --> 00:43:53,935 that kicked the American army's ass. 989 00:43:53,979 --> 00:43:56,982 Violence and sabotage, and property destruction, 990 00:43:57,025 --> 00:44:00,681 threats of violence and coercive change, 991 00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:05,599 uh, of various kinds is what moves history. 992 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,732 DARIUS: We have this really rosy picture 993 00:44:07,775 --> 00:44:10,169 of our history, you know, where we talk about women suffrage, 994 00:44:10,212 --> 00:44:12,084 we don't talk about arson. 995 00:44:12,127 --> 00:44:14,477 We don't talk about random property destruction. 996 00:44:14,521 --> 00:44:17,350 America was founded on agitation, 997 00:44:17,393 --> 00:44:20,005 throwing crates at sea into the Boston Harbor 998 00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:22,703 because they were gonna protest the tea tax. 999 00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:26,446 That was economic sabotage. That was direct action. 1000 00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:28,230 That's not terrorism. That's American. 1001 00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,513 The moment Marsh pulled, 1002 00:44:50,557 --> 00:44:52,080 that was a big victory. 1003 00:44:52,124 --> 00:44:53,734 Because everyone thought there's a chance 1004 00:44:53,778 --> 00:44:56,345 that HLS might not open the next day. 1005 00:44:56,911 --> 00:44:58,086 Marsh pulled out, 1006 00:44:58,130 --> 00:45:00,132 cut ties with Huntingdon Life Sciences. 1007 00:45:00,175 --> 00:45:03,048 It was another major victory in the campaign, 1008 00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:06,573 but it was one that was fairly short-lived. 1009 00:45:06,616 --> 00:45:09,228 KEVIN: The UK government was stepping in 1010 00:45:09,271 --> 00:45:12,274 to provide Huntingdon with insurance services 1011 00:45:12,318 --> 00:45:14,668 so they could continue their operations, 1012 00:45:14,712 --> 00:45:16,714 and stealing the victory we'd earned. 1013 00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:22,284 WILL: The legal efforts that Marsh had undertaken 1014 00:45:22,328 --> 00:45:24,634 through the restraining orders and the injunctions 1015 00:45:24,678 --> 00:45:26,767 and the public relations campaign, 1016 00:45:26,811 --> 00:45:29,509 that army and that mentality continued. 1017 00:45:29,552 --> 00:45:32,947 And it was really rolled in to the criminal investigation 1018 00:45:32,991 --> 00:45:34,514 of Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty. 1019 00:45:36,255 --> 00:45:38,083 The scope of this investigation included 1020 00:45:38,126 --> 00:45:40,172 more than 100 FBI agents. 1021 00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:42,348 There were more wiretaps used 1022 00:45:42,391 --> 00:45:45,177 against people associated with this movement 1023 00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:48,571 than any other counterterrorism investigation in US history. 1024 00:45:54,055 --> 00:45:55,317 LAUREN: Marsh is out, baby. 1025 00:46:40,362 --> 00:46:42,321 Clearly, we're planning illegal activities, 1026 00:46:42,364 --> 00:46:43,496 and it's just a matter of time 1027 00:46:43,539 --> 00:46:44,584 before they hear us doing it. 1028 00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:48,936 Either they're really, really terrible at their jobs 1029 00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:50,372 or they just... 1030 00:46:50,416 --> 00:46:51,330 we weren't doing what they thought we were doing. 1031 00:46:55,638 --> 00:46:57,727 JOHN: We're currently seeing a significant amount 1032 00:46:57,771 --> 00:46:59,164 of direct action activity 1033 00:46:59,207 --> 00:47:01,688 that we are unable to effectively address 1034 00:47:01,731 --> 00:47:04,473 given the federal statutes we have to work with. 1035 00:47:04,517 --> 00:47:06,606 JAMES: There is a need for a tighter legislation 1036 00:47:06,649 --> 00:47:08,434 to curb this criminal activity 1037 00:47:08,477 --> 00:47:10,436 that up to date has been impervious 1038 00:47:10,479 --> 00:47:12,090 to law enforcement authorities. 1039 00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:13,700 We're committed to working with our partners 1040 00:47:13,743 --> 00:47:15,789 to disrupt and dismantle these movements, 1041 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:17,225 to protect our fellow citizens 1042 00:47:17,269 --> 00:47:19,575 and to bring the justice to those who commit crime 1043 00:47:19,619 --> 00:47:21,795 and terrorism in the name of animal rights. 1044 00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:25,233 WILL: The single most powerful word 1045 00:47:25,277 --> 00:47:28,019 in our language right now is "Terrorism." 1046 00:47:28,062 --> 00:47:30,499 JAMES: This level of violence and propensity 1047 00:47:30,543 --> 00:47:33,720 for harm has led the FBI to include SHAC 1048 00:47:33,763 --> 00:47:36,723 as the most serious domestic terrorist threat today. 1049 00:47:36,766 --> 00:47:38,377 MAN: There is a congressional hearing 1050 00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:41,859 attempting to label activists as eco-terrorists. 1051 00:47:41,902 --> 00:47:43,817 It's a call for new legislation, 1052 00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:46,776 and to expand the concept of terrorism. 1053 00:47:49,257 --> 00:47:52,260 It was clearly the senate judiciary committee meeting 1054 00:47:52,304 --> 00:47:54,959 to decide what they could do to stop us. 1055 00:47:55,002 --> 00:47:56,525 The department supports amending 1056 00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:59,920 Title 18, United States Code, Section 43, 1057 00:47:59,964 --> 00:48:01,879 to include, among other things, 1058 00:48:01,922 --> 00:48:04,969 economic disruption to animal enterprises. 1059 00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:06,013 WILL: Members of the Congress 1060 00:48:06,057 --> 00:48:07,493 on the Democratic side said, 1061 00:48:07,536 --> 00:48:10,626 "Hey, we gotta have a witness. One opposition witness." 1062 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:13,455 Our final witness today, Mr. William Potter. 1063 00:48:13,499 --> 00:48:14,892 Mr. Potter is a reporter. 1064 00:48:14,935 --> 00:48:16,502 WILL: This was all political theater. 1065 00:48:16,545 --> 00:48:18,721 I was told by Democrats on the committee that, 1066 00:48:18,765 --> 00:48:21,115 "It's okay if you raise some minor objections. 1067 00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,944 Just keep in mind that all the Democrats on that committee 1068 00:48:23,988 --> 00:48:26,294 support the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act." 1069 00:48:26,338 --> 00:48:28,079 The bill criminalizes any activity 1070 00:48:28,122 --> 00:48:29,558 against an animal enterprise, 1071 00:48:29,602 --> 00:48:32,518 or any company tangential to an animal enterprise 1072 00:48:32,561 --> 00:48:34,346 that causes economic damage. 1073 00:48:34,389 --> 00:48:37,131 The fine is including the loss of profits. 1074 00:48:37,175 --> 00:48:40,656 That's not terrorism. That's effective activism. 1075 00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:43,703 The point of this activity, very successfully executed 1076 00:48:43,746 --> 00:48:45,400 in recent cases, I might add, 1077 00:48:45,444 --> 00:48:46,924 is to force business owners 1078 00:48:46,967 --> 00:48:49,274 to sever ties with a principle target. 1079 00:48:49,317 --> 00:48:50,710 An act that disrupts business, 1080 00:48:50,753 --> 00:48:53,931 one that can inflict serious economic damage. 1081 00:48:53,974 --> 00:48:56,672 HEIDI: They have pinpointed boycotts 1082 00:48:56,716 --> 00:49:00,807 and traditional forms of protest, and criminalized it, 1083 00:49:00,850 --> 00:49:03,984 so that any threat 1084 00:49:04,028 --> 00:49:06,508 to cause a loss of profit to a corporation 1085 00:49:06,552 --> 00:49:09,207 is now considered an act of terrorism. 1086 00:49:10,556 --> 00:49:13,385 WILL: The pharmaceutical, agriculture, 1087 00:49:13,428 --> 00:49:16,214 animal entertainment, pet food industries, 1088 00:49:16,257 --> 00:49:18,259 these are all the industries that were rallying 1089 00:49:18,303 --> 00:49:20,696 behind the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 1090 00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:21,610 behind the scenes. 1091 00:49:21,654 --> 00:49:23,569 Last month, HLS was to be 1092 00:49:23,612 --> 00:49:25,614 listed off New York Stock Exchange. 1093 00:49:25,658 --> 00:49:28,400 And the exchange refused to go through the scheduled listing 1094 00:49:28,443 --> 00:49:30,793 because of threats from SHAC. 1095 00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:34,406 JAKE: When you let a bunch of grassroots, obnoxious kids, 1096 00:49:34,449 --> 00:49:36,625 running around in bandanas and masks, 1097 00:49:36,669 --> 00:49:39,019 determining who gets to trade and not trade 1098 00:49:39,063 --> 00:49:40,499 on the New York Stock Exchange, 1099 00:49:40,542 --> 00:49:42,588 that makes people really, really nervous, 1100 00:49:42,631 --> 00:49:44,938 the government really nervous, corporations really nervous. 1101 00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:45,895 And they wanted something done. 1102 00:49:47,375 --> 00:49:49,725 WILL: The senate passed the legislation 1103 00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:52,511 in the middle of the night, it was by a unanimous consent, 1104 00:49:52,554 --> 00:49:55,470 which means we have no idea who actually voted for 1105 00:49:55,514 --> 00:49:57,211 or against the piece of legislation. 1106 00:49:57,255 --> 00:49:58,996 On the House side, 1107 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,519 it was passed by an obscure procedure called 1108 00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:02,042 "Suspension of the rules." 1109 00:50:02,086 --> 00:50:04,001 They decided to use this procedure 1110 00:50:04,044 --> 00:50:05,915 to pass the terrorism law 1111 00:50:05,959 --> 00:50:08,222 because they could usher it through quickly. 1112 00:50:08,266 --> 00:50:10,094 There were only four or five law makers 1113 00:50:10,137 --> 00:50:12,226 in the room at the time. 1114 00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:16,056 KEVIN: The fear in the industry that if Huntingdon fell, 1115 00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:18,102 any company could be next. 1116 00:50:18,145 --> 00:50:19,712 That was a legitimate fear for them. 1117 00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:22,149 If we don't stop this social movement, 1118 00:50:22,193 --> 00:50:23,411 who's gonna be next? 1119 00:50:23,455 --> 00:50:25,892 What will happen when the activist move 1120 00:50:25,935 --> 00:50:28,851 to the timber industry or the defense industry? 1121 00:50:28,895 --> 00:50:31,854 If this continues, the animal extremists will have won 1122 00:50:31,898 --> 00:50:34,901 and the loser will be humanity. 1123 00:50:34,944 --> 00:50:37,121 WILL: That is the precise strategy 1124 00:50:37,164 --> 00:50:39,210 of these corporations and industry groups, 1125 00:50:39,253 --> 00:50:42,039 to redirect the nature of the conversation. 1126 00:51:26,996 --> 00:51:30,435 I never... imagined 1127 00:51:30,478 --> 00:51:33,394 that people would actually be fearful for their lives. 1128 00:51:33,438 --> 00:51:35,918 And I think that why they might have felt that way 1129 00:51:35,962 --> 00:51:39,008 is because of what the government was whispering in their ears, 1130 00:51:39,052 --> 00:51:41,402 or what corporations were telling them. 1131 00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:51,238 There were actually people that were knocking on the doors, 1132 00:51:51,282 --> 00:51:52,761 telling people what to expect 1133 00:51:52,805 --> 00:51:54,023 when the Animal Rights people come. 1134 00:52:04,512 --> 00:52:07,689 The Department of Justice had a handout 1135 00:52:07,733 --> 00:52:10,605 that they gave to companies targeted by SHAC. 1136 00:52:10,649 --> 00:52:13,042 It suggested that we are capable of anything, 1137 00:52:13,086 --> 00:52:14,609 even shooting people. 1138 00:52:31,452 --> 00:52:34,063 "Had car windows broken." That is not true. 1139 00:52:34,107 --> 00:52:35,761 "Tires are slashed." That is true. 1140 00:52:35,804 --> 00:52:37,850 "Houses spray-painted." That is correct. 1141 00:52:37,893 --> 00:52:41,767 "His wife is reportedly on the brink of a nervous breakdown..." 1142 00:53:33,775 --> 00:53:35,908 Let's get right to it. 1143 00:53:35,951 --> 00:53:39,825 The FBI says we've gotta go after a domestic terrorist. 1144 00:53:39,868 --> 00:53:42,915 They say he's crossed the line from being a protester... 1145 00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:47,049 to being a terrorist. 1146 00:53:47,093 --> 00:53:48,703 Surveillance cameras caught 1147 00:53:48,747 --> 00:53:52,054 a shadowy figure approaching Chiron's headquarters. 1148 00:53:52,098 --> 00:53:55,362 Cops say he was delivering two bombs. 1149 00:53:55,406 --> 00:53:58,060 Luckily, no one was injured in the blast. 1150 00:53:58,104 --> 00:53:59,497 ANDREA: A few days later, 1151 00:53:59,540 --> 00:54:01,455 a communique came out 1152 00:54:01,499 --> 00:54:05,111 written by an organization called the Revolutionary Cells taking credit 1153 00:54:05,154 --> 00:54:07,722 for the explosion at Chiron, 1154 00:54:07,766 --> 00:54:10,290 and accrediting it to Chiron's involvement 1155 00:54:10,334 --> 00:54:12,510 and Huntingdon Life Sciences. 1156 00:54:12,553 --> 00:54:15,600 People breaking windows wasn't something new. 1157 00:54:15,643 --> 00:54:18,385 But people placing bombs under windows was something 1158 00:54:18,429 --> 00:54:21,475 that I don't think any of us would have expected at the time. 1159 00:54:29,875 --> 00:54:32,181 No, property destruction is not violence. 1160 00:54:32,747 --> 00:54:34,358 It's sabotage. 1161 00:54:34,401 --> 00:54:36,273 I think it's enormously important 1162 00:54:36,316 --> 00:54:39,580 to make a distinction between damaged property 1163 00:54:39,624 --> 00:54:43,280 and damage to people and animals. 1164 00:54:48,110 --> 00:54:50,852 The harm is just not the same. 1165 00:54:50,896 --> 00:54:55,466 It's just not the same kind of harm to break a window 1166 00:54:55,509 --> 00:54:58,077 as it is to break an arm. 1167 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,079 WILL: This was a bombing. Someone could have died. 1168 00:55:00,122 --> 00:55:01,689 Someone could've been hurt. 1169 00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:04,170 Law enforcement was using those talking points 1170 00:55:04,213 --> 00:55:06,868 to elevate the nature of the perceived threat. 1171 00:55:06,912 --> 00:55:08,348 Today, we're announcing the addition 1172 00:55:08,392 --> 00:55:11,917 Daniel Andreas San Diego 1173 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,615 to the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists list. 1174 00:55:14,659 --> 00:55:16,269 San Diego is involved 1175 00:55:16,313 --> 00:55:18,967 with the Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty campaign. 1176 00:55:19,011 --> 00:55:20,708 WILL: Daniel Andreas San Diego 1177 00:55:20,752 --> 00:55:23,232 was the first domestic terrorist 1178 00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:26,627 to appear on this list of FBI's Most Wanted 1179 00:55:26,671 --> 00:55:29,413 alongside Osama bin Laden and others. 1180 00:55:29,456 --> 00:55:32,807 These are serious crimes, but to put them on par 1181 00:55:32,851 --> 00:55:36,898 with the most deadly terrorist attack in U.S. history, 1182 00:55:36,942 --> 00:55:38,987 I think, would be shocking to a lot of people. 1183 00:55:47,082 --> 00:55:50,695 So this is the building where I was living... 1184 00:55:50,738 --> 00:55:53,306 when I got arrested by Homeland Security. 1185 00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:55,439 At 6:00 a.m., the phone rang 1186 00:55:55,482 --> 00:55:57,702 and it was my friend, Aaron, on the line 1187 00:55:57,745 --> 00:56:01,401 and he said, "Hey, don't panic." 1188 00:56:01,445 --> 00:56:03,403 "But there's been a couple of arrests 1189 00:56:03,447 --> 00:56:04,709 around the country this morning." 1190 00:56:04,752 --> 00:56:06,841 I woke up to hear my mother yelling. 1191 00:56:06,885 --> 00:56:08,582 And I couldn't figure out what was going on. 1192 00:56:08,626 --> 00:56:10,758 Few minutes later, there was a pounding at my door. 1193 00:56:10,802 --> 00:56:12,281 I assumed it was the police from the get-go 1194 00:56:12,325 --> 00:56:13,370 with someone knocking like that. 1195 00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:14,849 20, 30 guys come through the door 1196 00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:16,416 with guns and a helicopter. 1197 00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:18,462 And this is the hallway where they all came in. 1198 00:56:18,505 --> 00:56:23,118 The thing that I remember most distinctly is an FBI agent, 1199 00:56:23,162 --> 00:56:27,166 uh, holding a gun in my face, a big gun. 1200 00:56:27,209 --> 00:56:29,255 I had to hold Buddy's collar 1201 00:56:29,298 --> 00:56:31,605 with one hand and open the door with the other, 1202 00:56:31,649 --> 00:56:35,130 and they're screaming at me to put my hands up. 1203 00:56:35,174 --> 00:56:37,611 And to shut that... that damn dog up 1204 00:56:37,655 --> 00:56:39,221 or they would shoot him. 1205 00:56:39,265 --> 00:56:43,312 They have, like, one FBI guy, one ATF guy, one US Marshal. 1206 00:56:43,356 --> 00:56:47,447 Vests, face masks, and a battering ram. 1207 00:56:47,491 --> 00:56:48,579 It was sort of impressive, 1208 00:56:48,622 --> 00:56:50,537 but it was also kind of, like, shocking 1209 00:56:50,581 --> 00:56:53,366 that, "Really? That's how important you think we are?" 1210 00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:55,237 "We have a warrant for your arrest." 1211 00:56:55,281 --> 00:56:56,543 "On what charge?" 1212 00:56:56,587 --> 00:56:58,197 "Animal enterprise terrorism." 1213 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,461 So, the FBI busts a militant animal rights organization. 1214 00:57:01,505 --> 00:57:02,941 DOUG: Again, it's all contained here 1215 00:57:02,984 --> 00:57:04,508 in this federal indictment. 1216 00:57:04,551 --> 00:57:07,728 Today, U.S. attorneys called it a campaign of terrorism. 1217 00:57:07,772 --> 00:57:09,600 And their business, quite frankly, 1218 00:57:09,643 --> 00:57:12,124 is thuggery and intimidation. 1219 00:57:12,167 --> 00:57:14,169 They advocate physical assaults, 1220 00:57:14,213 --> 00:57:17,172 they advocate smashing windows of people's homes, 1221 00:57:17,216 --> 00:57:20,175 specifically, when they are at home. 1222 00:57:20,219 --> 00:57:22,569 WILL: Chris Christie was relatively unknown, 1223 00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:24,615 he was trying to make this bid for power. 1224 00:57:24,658 --> 00:57:27,226 This is still just a couple of years after September 11th. 1225 00:57:27,269 --> 00:57:29,271 If you wanna get ahead, you need to show 1226 00:57:29,315 --> 00:57:30,838 that you're cracking down on terrorism. 1227 00:57:30,882 --> 00:57:33,493 I'm in the process right now of hiring eight new 1228 00:57:33,537 --> 00:57:35,887 assistant United States attorneys who'll work on terrorism. 1229 00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:38,542 The Justice Department gave us one of the largest allocations 1230 00:57:38,585 --> 00:57:41,109 of new terrorism Assistant United States Attorneys 1231 00:57:41,153 --> 00:57:43,155 to be able to work just on terrorism. 1232 00:57:43,198 --> 00:57:45,810 After that big show of force, 1233 00:57:45,853 --> 00:57:48,639 all those agents, all those guns, 1234 00:57:48,682 --> 00:57:50,989 all that energy, all those resources, 1235 00:57:51,032 --> 00:57:52,556 and by noon, we were home. 1236 00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:54,862 The judge could pretty clearly see 1237 00:57:54,906 --> 00:57:57,909 that I wasn't a danger to the community or anything. 1238 00:57:57,952 --> 00:58:00,433 But these people had just heard the word, "Terrorism" 1239 00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:02,000 shouted over and over. 1240 00:58:02,043 --> 00:58:03,915 And they're retreating into their apartments 1241 00:58:03,958 --> 00:58:07,353 and I could feel, like, the fear. 1242 00:58:07,396 --> 00:58:08,789 What're we being arrested on? 1243 00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:10,922 Like, you know, this fear that we were gonna get 1244 00:58:10,965 --> 00:58:13,707 the indictment, and read it, and be like, "Oh, shit." 1245 00:58:13,751 --> 00:58:15,274 But instead, I read the indictment 1246 00:58:15,317 --> 00:58:16,667 and I was relieved. 1247 00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:18,712 I was like, "This is their case, really?" 1248 00:58:18,756 --> 00:58:21,628 Their case is, "You posted this on the Internet," which we knew. 1249 00:58:21,672 --> 00:58:24,370 KEVIN: We started learning that our search warrant 1250 00:58:24,413 --> 00:58:26,938 for our home, the wire intercepts 1251 00:58:26,981 --> 00:58:29,331 for our telephone were signed 1252 00:58:29,375 --> 00:58:31,072 by a judge in Minnesota? 1253 00:58:31,116 --> 00:58:34,380 Why was a judge in Minnesota, an agent in Minnesota 1254 00:58:34,423 --> 00:58:36,904 in charge of running this case? 1255 00:58:36,948 --> 00:58:38,558 If I had a tribute 1256 00:58:38,602 --> 00:58:42,170 why that SHAC case became so important, 1257 00:58:42,214 --> 00:58:44,346 I think it's the Nexus 1258 00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:48,176 that was made to the break-in and animal release at the U. 1259 00:58:53,051 --> 00:58:54,574 Operation Trailmix was a plan 1260 00:58:54,618 --> 00:58:57,011 to break the animal rights movement. 1261 00:58:57,055 --> 00:58:59,274 And they went about it any way they could. 1262 00:58:59,318 --> 00:59:01,929 WILL: Operation Trailmix, which was the code name 1263 00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:05,498 of what ultimately became the SHAC investigation. 1264 00:59:05,542 --> 00:59:07,674 All has roots in trying 1265 00:59:07,718 --> 00:59:10,285 to go after the more covert illegal elements 1266 00:59:10,329 --> 00:59:11,983 of animal rights movement, 1267 00:59:12,026 --> 00:59:14,638 after failing to actually catch the people 1268 00:59:14,681 --> 00:59:17,162 that are responsible for some of those crimes. 1269 00:59:17,205 --> 00:59:19,817 The FBI then changed its focus again, 1270 00:59:19,860 --> 00:59:21,035 with the influence 1271 00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:22,646 of corporations and cooperate lobbying. 1272 00:59:22,689 --> 00:59:25,039 They started focusing on the above-ground elements 1273 00:59:25,083 --> 00:59:26,693 of the SHAC campaign. 1274 00:59:26,737 --> 00:59:28,826 RYAN: The FBI established a plan 1275 00:59:28,869 --> 00:59:32,090 targeting the above ground in order to eliminate 1276 00:59:32,133 --> 00:59:34,701 both the above and underground. 1277 00:59:34,745 --> 00:59:36,442 JOSH: If you get Kevin Kjonaas' head 1278 00:59:36,485 --> 00:59:39,053 up on a pike, everyone knows what that means. 1279 00:59:39,097 --> 00:59:40,272 They know who that is. 1280 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,102 These are the same assholes 1281 00:59:44,145 --> 00:59:47,584 who raided my apartment because I had the temerity 1282 00:59:47,627 --> 00:59:49,934 to speak up in support of people 1283 00:59:49,977 --> 00:59:52,066 that would break the law to help animals. 1284 00:59:53,154 --> 00:59:56,331 It's the same people, it never stopped. 1285 01:00:08,169 --> 01:00:10,607 MAN: Because they are not concerned with rights, 1286 01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:12,783 they are concerned with the bottom line. 1287 01:00:12,826 --> 01:00:15,612 WILL: As an author and a storyteller, 1288 01:00:15,655 --> 01:00:18,963 I had to be in awe of the skill of the prosecution 1289 01:00:19,006 --> 01:00:22,836 in weaving this narrative in front of the courtroom. 1290 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,361 I can already tell, this is gonna make me angry. 1291 01:00:27,319 --> 01:00:28,929 All right. 1292 01:00:28,973 --> 01:00:31,192 The court says, "Counsel are ready 1293 01:00:31,236 --> 01:00:33,673 for opening statements, Mr. McKenna." 1294 01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:35,588 LAUREN: "If it pleases the court, Your Honor 1295 01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:38,765 Counsel, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. On a summer day 1296 01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:40,549 in suburban Dallas..." 1297 01:00:41,594 --> 01:00:43,204 Sorry. 1298 01:00:43,248 --> 01:00:45,119 ANDY: "On a summer day in suburban Dallas, Texas, 1299 01:00:45,163 --> 01:00:48,340 Sally Dillenback, an employee with Marsh Incorporated, 1300 01:00:48,383 --> 01:00:50,298 was home with her young son." 1301 01:00:54,302 --> 01:00:55,695 "...of the house to answer the door." 1302 01:00:55,739 --> 01:00:58,002 "When she got to the door, she saw her young son 1303 01:00:58,045 --> 01:00:59,960 cowering behind the door with a kitchen knife. 1304 01:01:02,571 --> 01:01:04,399 He was cowering behind the door that day, 1305 01:01:04,443 --> 01:01:05,923 ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 1306 01:01:05,966 --> 01:01:08,142 because he thought that the animal people 1307 01:01:08,186 --> 01:01:09,361 were coming to get him." 1308 01:01:12,407 --> 01:01:14,845 LAUREN: "Because you see, the animal people had been in his house before." 1309 01:01:14,888 --> 01:01:16,368 "They had plastered his house 1310 01:01:16,411 --> 01:01:17,761 with pictures of mutilated puppies 1311 01:01:17,804 --> 01:01:20,024 and they had been found on his property at night 1312 01:01:20,067 --> 01:01:21,765 and they held rallies outside his house 1313 01:01:21,808 --> 01:01:23,114 where they shouted through bullhorns 1314 01:01:23,157 --> 01:01:24,681 that his mother was a puppy killer." 1315 01:01:24,724 --> 01:01:26,204 "So when the doorbell rang that day, 1316 01:01:26,247 --> 01:01:27,379 the little boy was scared." 1317 01:01:27,422 --> 01:01:28,510 "And when his mother saw 1318 01:01:28,554 --> 01:01:30,121 her son that way, she was scared too." 1319 01:01:34,603 --> 01:01:36,518 "The animal people were coming." 1320 01:01:36,562 --> 01:01:39,043 I can't read this out loud. I can't. It disgusts me. 1321 01:01:39,608 --> 01:01:41,393 MAN: Why? 1322 01:01:41,436 --> 01:01:44,570 Because it's all smoke and mirrors. 1323 01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:47,442 I didn't know of the story, but once he told the story, 1324 01:01:47,486 --> 01:01:50,315 I was like, "This is pretty terrible." 1325 01:01:50,358 --> 01:01:52,752 And I can only imagine that the jury thinks it's terrible too. 1326 01:01:52,796 --> 01:01:57,191 Obviously, I don't want a child to be scared. 1327 01:01:57,235 --> 01:01:59,280 I don't want a child to be at a point 1328 01:01:59,324 --> 01:02:02,544 where he's cowering behind the door with a knife. 1329 01:02:02,588 --> 01:02:06,374 Um, neither myself or any of my co-defendants 1330 01:02:06,418 --> 01:02:10,248 had ever protested at Sally Dillenback's house. 1331 01:02:10,291 --> 01:02:13,947 This was the first of a long line of examples 1332 01:02:13,991 --> 01:02:17,951 of us being put on trial for other people's actions. 1333 01:02:17,995 --> 01:02:20,954 Actions which we had no foreknowledge of, 1334 01:02:20,998 --> 01:02:23,087 and no part in the planning of. 1335 01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:25,480 ANDY: A lot of these new activist movements 1336 01:02:25,524 --> 01:02:26,786 are totally decentralized. 1337 01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:29,180 There is no leader to go after. 1338 01:02:29,223 --> 01:02:30,790 That structure is something 1339 01:02:30,834 --> 01:02:32,705 that doesn't make any sense to the government. 1340 01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:34,751 They can't really step inside someone's head and understand 1341 01:02:34,794 --> 01:02:37,057 that some of these issues tear them up at night. 1342 01:02:37,101 --> 01:02:39,146 And they don't feel good about themselves, 1343 01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:40,713 unless they go and do something. 1344 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,846 JAKE: They just can't accept that idea 1345 01:02:42,889 --> 01:02:45,544 of people working autonomously, 1346 01:02:45,587 --> 01:02:47,372 and I think that blows their mind 1347 01:02:47,415 --> 01:02:49,330 if there's not someone in control or in charge. 1348 01:02:49,374 --> 01:02:51,550 "Be careful because while the defendants 1349 01:02:51,593 --> 01:02:53,378 were at some of the demonstrations, 1350 01:02:53,421 --> 01:02:55,423 they weren't always at all of them." 1351 01:03:01,952 --> 01:03:05,564 The prosecutor's argument is that our speeches 1352 01:03:05,607 --> 01:03:08,480 essentially amount to incitement. 1353 01:03:08,523 --> 01:03:12,397 And that our speeches are part of this conspiracy, 1354 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,747 perhaps with people we don't know, 1355 01:03:14,791 --> 01:03:18,142 to get them to do our bidding of illegal activities. 1356 01:03:18,185 --> 01:03:19,926 "Bad things happen, ladies and gentlemen. 1357 01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:21,493 Bad things happen." 1358 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,800 No one disputes that. 1359 01:03:24,975 --> 01:03:26,541 The question is, why are the people 1360 01:03:26,585 --> 01:03:28,717 who didn't commit the bad things on trial? 1361 01:03:31,764 --> 01:03:34,332 WILL: Right out of the gate, the fact that the prosecution 1362 01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:37,422 put Brian Cass on the stand and were talking 1363 01:03:37,465 --> 01:03:40,381 about violence against Huntingdon Life Sciences 1364 01:03:40,425 --> 01:03:43,123 in the UK and trying to bring that into a U.S. courtroom 1365 01:03:43,167 --> 01:03:45,169 was the signal of where everything was gonna go. 1366 01:03:45,212 --> 01:03:47,258 KEVIN: As the managing director of the lab, 1367 01:03:47,301 --> 01:03:51,305 somebody in England had beat him up on his doorstep. 1368 01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:53,090 JOSH: Three people assaulted him 1369 01:03:53,133 --> 01:03:55,266 and he was hit in the head with a stick. 1370 01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:59,052 His experience happened on another continent 1371 01:03:59,096 --> 01:04:02,577 at the time that the supposed United States conspiracy 1372 01:04:02,621 --> 01:04:03,970 hadn't even began. 1373 01:04:04,014 --> 01:04:07,931 What possible relevance could his testimony have? 1374 01:04:07,974 --> 01:04:09,933 He was put on the stand to ... the trial 1375 01:04:09,976 --> 01:04:11,804 to hurt the defendants. 1376 01:04:11,848 --> 01:04:12,936 I mean, if I was the prosecutor, 1377 01:04:12,979 --> 01:04:14,633 I'd say "I would've put him on first." 1378 01:04:14,676 --> 01:04:17,636 JOSH: We have a prosecutor who wants to fight dirty, 1379 01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:21,031 who's not going to run a case based on the legality 1380 01:04:21,074 --> 01:04:23,598 of the Huntingdon Life Sciences campaign, 1381 01:04:23,642 --> 01:04:25,252 but instead is going to just attempt 1382 01:04:25,296 --> 01:04:26,863 to prejudice the jury against us. 1383 01:04:28,647 --> 01:04:30,736 LAUREN: The prosecution strategy was primarily 1384 01:04:30,779 --> 01:04:32,607 to put people on the stand 1385 01:04:32,651 --> 01:04:34,174 to read printouts of our website 1386 01:04:34,218 --> 01:04:36,742 and then say, "I was so scared." 1387 01:04:36,785 --> 01:04:40,354 WILL: They were brilliant in using the witnesses 1388 01:04:40,398 --> 01:04:41,921 to concoct a story 1389 01:04:41,965 --> 01:04:44,010 that wasn't true to reality. 1390 01:04:44,054 --> 01:04:47,361 I think that there were a lot of people who got up there 1391 01:04:47,405 --> 01:04:50,147 during that, you know, "parade of victims" 1392 01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:53,063 that weren't entirely sincere. 1393 01:04:53,106 --> 01:04:55,979 Come on, show us. Show yourself! 1394 01:04:58,503 --> 01:05:00,592 Come outside! 1395 01:05:00,635 --> 01:05:02,768 LAUREN: You fucking coward! 1396 01:05:04,030 --> 01:05:06,467 Get out of my... Get out of my house! 1397 01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:11,864 MAN: You are moving out of our neighborhood! That's what. 1398 01:05:14,301 --> 01:05:15,868 This is not your neighborhood! 1399 01:05:15,912 --> 01:05:17,565 -This is our fucking neighborhood! -Where do you live? 1400 01:05:17,609 --> 01:05:20,177 JAKE: They got kinda rowdy. Eventually, the cops came 1401 01:05:20,220 --> 01:05:21,787 and they arrested them for trespassing, 1402 01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:23,397 which rightfully so, if they were trespassing, 1403 01:05:23,441 --> 01:05:24,659 they should be arrested for it. 1404 01:05:24,703 --> 01:05:26,835 But she gets up on the stand during the trial 1405 01:05:26,879 --> 01:05:29,099 and she gets up there all teary eyed. 1406 01:05:29,142 --> 01:05:31,623 "These people came and I was at home with my child. 1407 01:05:31,666 --> 01:05:34,278 He was upstairs taking a nap, home from school." 1408 01:05:34,321 --> 01:05:36,410 And they show the video, and there's Miss... 1409 01:05:36,454 --> 01:05:38,021 and she's laughing and joking 1410 01:05:38,064 --> 01:05:40,023 and then her son, who's home from school, 1411 01:05:40,066 --> 01:05:42,590 he's like a 19-year-old kid that's home from college. 1412 01:05:42,634 --> 01:05:44,766 It's the way that they kinda took this and misconstrued it 1413 01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:47,639 to make it seem, like, we're these thugs out there 1414 01:05:47,682 --> 01:05:50,076 trying to, like, you know, kill little kids. 1415 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,513 When really, it's just... It just wasn't the case. 1416 01:05:54,646 --> 01:05:56,996 ATTORNEY: And you have how many children? 1417 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,867 -Three. -What are their names? 1418 01:06:01,566 --> 01:06:03,655 I'm not gonna provide that information. 1419 01:06:03,698 --> 01:06:06,049 Are you instructing her not to answer that question? 1420 01:06:06,092 --> 01:06:07,920 I'm not answering that question. 1421 01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:09,704 ATTORNEY: She does not want her children threatened 1422 01:06:09,748 --> 01:06:12,185 and if she is reluctant to provide that information, 1423 01:06:12,229 --> 01:06:13,534 I certainly understand why 1424 01:06:13,578 --> 01:06:14,840 and I think the court will agree. 1425 01:06:14,883 --> 01:06:16,929 KEVIN: People really honed in on that. 1426 01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:18,452 Now I'm not saying that's something 1427 01:06:18,496 --> 01:06:21,803 I'm personally proud of or I would participate in 1428 01:06:21,847 --> 01:06:25,720 or at the time, I thought was a good idea. But again... 1429 01:06:25,764 --> 01:06:28,854 it wasn't that the kid was a target at the campaign. 1430 01:06:28,897 --> 01:06:31,291 Maybe that kind of stuff should be censored, 1431 01:06:31,335 --> 01:06:34,468 but at the time, everything was just put up automatically. 1432 01:06:37,776 --> 01:06:40,387 OREN: "We know where your kids live, we know their names." 1433 01:06:40,431 --> 01:06:42,433 That is extreme. Uh, I don't think 1434 01:06:42,476 --> 01:06:45,479 that people are debating whether that's extreme rhetoric or not. 1435 01:06:45,523 --> 01:06:48,482 Whether it's protected speech, whether that's legal. 1436 01:06:48,526 --> 01:06:51,224 We have not had very restful nights' sleep. 1437 01:06:51,268 --> 01:06:53,313 We don't know who might be lurking out 1438 01:06:53,357 --> 01:06:54,749 somewhere in our yard. 1439 01:06:54,793 --> 01:06:57,230 It's caused mental anguish with my children 1440 01:06:57,274 --> 01:06:59,450 who don't sleep well through the night. 1441 01:06:59,493 --> 01:07:02,670 We probably didn't realize what the impact 1442 01:07:02,714 --> 01:07:07,675 of this train of individuals was gonna have on the jury. 1443 01:07:07,719 --> 01:07:11,462 They saw this conduct that to them was intolerable. 1444 01:07:11,505 --> 01:07:15,118 Criminal or not, I'm not sure they cared, it was intolerable. 1445 01:07:15,161 --> 01:07:18,947 The jury felt the need for someone to be prosecuted 1446 01:07:18,991 --> 01:07:20,645 for what was happening around the country 1447 01:07:20,688 --> 01:07:22,777 and we were the only people the government was providing. 1448 01:07:23,778 --> 01:07:25,693 KEVIN: I'm here with Josh Harper, 1449 01:07:25,737 --> 01:07:27,913 co-defendant extraordinaire. 1450 01:07:27,956 --> 01:07:29,436 And he's off to the bathroom. 1451 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:31,917 Josh spends a lot of time in the bathroom. 1452 01:07:33,353 --> 01:07:36,139 Here's the support group for the SHAC seven. 1453 01:07:36,182 --> 01:07:38,097 -Minus the olive oil. 1454 01:07:38,141 --> 01:07:39,751 You know, I don't know how much money 1455 01:07:39,794 --> 01:07:43,102 I'm gonna have to spend in therapy in the years to come. 1456 01:07:43,146 --> 01:07:45,800 Or how many AA meetings I'm gonna have to go to, 1457 01:07:45,844 --> 01:07:47,324 because by the time this case is done, 1458 01:07:47,367 --> 01:07:49,717 I will be a full-fledged alcoholic. 1459 01:07:49,761 --> 01:07:51,241 -MAN: I understand. -Yeah. 1460 01:07:52,459 --> 01:07:53,808 AARON: The last two days in court 1461 01:07:53,852 --> 01:07:55,375 have been pretty grueling. 1462 01:07:55,419 --> 01:07:59,249 The whole Chiron incident was brought up. 1463 01:07:59,292 --> 01:08:03,166 SHAC is basically, kind of, being, uh, charged, 1464 01:08:03,209 --> 01:08:05,081 I guess you could say, with this. 1465 01:08:06,691 --> 01:08:09,085 You know, I feel like... 1466 01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:11,783 I... I had a part 1467 01:08:11,826 --> 01:08:15,656 in having this brought up in trial in such a big way. 1468 01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:17,702 REPORTER: The main suspect in the Chiron bombing, 1469 01:08:17,745 --> 01:08:19,791 Daniel San Diego was still at large, 1470 01:08:19,834 --> 01:08:22,489 but the FBI says it was a link between Kjonaas 1471 01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:24,404 that assisted in the investigation. 1472 01:08:24,448 --> 01:08:26,580 The FBI made a claim that there was a phone call 1473 01:08:26,624 --> 01:08:29,409 from Kevin to Andreas the day of the Chiron incident. 1474 01:08:29,453 --> 01:08:32,369 WILL: They took whatever little bits of information they could, 1475 01:08:32,412 --> 01:08:34,327 such as the phone call registers 1476 01:08:34,371 --> 01:08:37,548 between the SHAC house and a phone number 1477 01:08:37,591 --> 01:08:40,116 they had connected to Daniel Andreas San Diego. 1478 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:41,813 We do have evidence 1479 01:08:41,856 --> 01:08:44,598 that Mr. San Diego and Mr. Kjonaas 1480 01:08:44,642 --> 01:08:47,079 were in communication with one another. 1481 01:08:47,123 --> 01:08:48,428 I made that phone call. 1482 01:08:48,472 --> 01:08:51,083 I made a call to half a dozen people 1483 01:08:51,127 --> 01:08:54,130 in the Bay Area that day asking them to record the news. 1484 01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:55,827 Somebody said, "Call Andreas." 1485 01:08:55,870 --> 01:08:58,046 Andreas answered the phone, I talked to him 1486 01:08:58,090 --> 01:09:00,179 and I asked him to record the news. 1487 01:09:00,223 --> 01:09:02,181 That's the content of that phone call. 1488 01:09:07,012 --> 01:09:09,057 Here we are, 1489 01:09:09,101 --> 01:09:11,712 basically nine days into the case and, uh, 1490 01:09:11,756 --> 01:09:14,454 the prosecution rests and, uh, now it's the defense's turn. 1491 01:09:14,498 --> 01:09:17,544 So, uh, let's hope for a good defense strategy. 1492 01:09:17,588 --> 01:09:18,893 That's it. 1493 01:09:22,549 --> 01:09:24,334 JOSH: This was a case that the prosecution 1494 01:09:24,377 --> 01:09:27,598 had been immersed in for years and years. 1495 01:09:27,641 --> 01:09:31,732 And they knew every detail and how to bend every detail. 1496 01:09:31,776 --> 01:09:35,214 Um, and meanwhile, our attorneys didn't even know 1497 01:09:35,258 --> 01:09:37,303 the names of some of the major players. 1498 01:09:37,347 --> 01:09:39,218 At one point during opening statements, 1499 01:09:39,262 --> 01:09:42,787 I looked over at my attorney and he's scribbling these notes. 1500 01:09:42,830 --> 01:09:44,397 And I leaned over and I was like, 1501 01:09:44,441 --> 01:09:48,401 "Jim, you're not writing your opening right now, are you?" 1502 01:09:48,445 --> 01:09:52,840 And he looked at me and he said, "It's only an opening." 1503 01:09:52,884 --> 01:09:57,018 You have this naive faith in the system of justice, 1504 01:09:57,062 --> 01:10:00,761 it doesn't exist. It's so set against the defense 1505 01:10:00,805 --> 01:10:03,503 and some favor of the prosecution. 1506 01:10:03,547 --> 01:10:07,246 Judge Thompson granted the prosecution's request 1507 01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:08,508 that we couldn't talk 1508 01:10:08,552 --> 01:10:10,684 about what happened inside of Huntingdon. 1509 01:10:12,730 --> 01:10:14,862 "That might prejudice the jury." 1510 01:10:14,906 --> 01:10:17,474 For most people, standing outside 1511 01:10:17,517 --> 01:10:20,041 of someone's home in the middle of the night, 1512 01:10:20,085 --> 01:10:22,740 yelling and screaming and holding placards, 1513 01:10:22,783 --> 01:10:25,090 it seems pretty unreasonable. 1514 01:10:25,133 --> 01:10:28,093 I think if people got that full narrative, 1515 01:10:28,136 --> 01:10:30,400 they'd understand that what's going on there, 1516 01:10:30,443 --> 01:10:32,053 it needs to be challenged. 1517 01:10:32,097 --> 01:10:35,535 And that, it needs to be challenged with force. 1518 01:10:35,579 --> 01:10:39,322 JOSH: The reason that we would fight so hard 1519 01:10:39,365 --> 01:10:42,107 for a being that has nothing to do with you, 1520 01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:45,284 a beagle or a cat or a horse 1521 01:10:45,328 --> 01:10:47,895 or a cow that you've never met, 1522 01:10:47,939 --> 01:10:49,767 that in some cases, you've never seen 1523 01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:51,812 and never will, um... 1524 01:10:52,944 --> 01:10:56,295 you've got to have an awful lot of heart. 1525 01:10:56,339 --> 01:10:59,516 Myself and my co-defendants 1526 01:10:59,559 --> 01:11:02,910 were intelligent, caring people, 1527 01:11:02,954 --> 01:11:05,304 um, who had been so distraught 1528 01:11:05,348 --> 01:11:07,219 over what they'd seen happening inside 1529 01:11:07,263 --> 01:11:09,177 of Huntingdon Life Sciences, 1530 01:11:09,221 --> 01:11:11,092 that they had been moved to take action. 1531 01:11:11,136 --> 01:11:14,748 The prosecution was able to talk about animal testing 1532 01:11:14,792 --> 01:11:17,925 and they used phrases like, "Life-saving research." 1533 01:11:17,969 --> 01:11:21,233 "Huntingdon Life Sciences is saving children's lives." 1534 01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:24,323 There's no evidence that's allowed to refute that. 1535 01:11:24,367 --> 01:11:26,282 We'll fight this and we'll make this case 1536 01:11:26,325 --> 01:11:29,676 as much about Huntingdon and animal cruelty 1537 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,591 as it is about the First Amendment. 1538 01:11:31,635 --> 01:11:34,115 JOSH: Every step of the way, 1539 01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,204 the judge refused to allow it in the courtroom. 1540 01:11:36,248 --> 01:11:39,425 And our case is just about a bunch of unruly kids 1541 01:11:39,469 --> 01:11:41,558 who for some reason or another, the jury doesn't know 1542 01:11:41,601 --> 01:11:42,994 because we can't tell them, 1543 01:11:43,037 --> 01:11:45,083 are running around neighborhoods with signs 1544 01:11:45,126 --> 01:11:47,999 and blowhorns, and being belligerent. 1545 01:11:48,042 --> 01:11:51,481 There's no context to anything. 1546 01:11:51,524 --> 01:11:54,005 You'd think this isn't about a political movement at all. 1547 01:11:54,048 --> 01:11:57,356 It's just a bunch of kids with nothing better to do. 1548 01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,967 'Cause the jury will never hear why we did it. 1549 01:12:58,156 --> 01:12:59,766 MAN: Open your mouth. 1550 01:13:02,465 --> 01:13:04,945 You wanna play? Let's fucking play. 1551 01:13:11,822 --> 01:13:14,302 Let's fucking dance, bitch. 1552 01:13:14,346 --> 01:13:16,348 WOMAN: God, there's, like, no skin here... 1553 01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:18,611 -MAN: All I could give you. -WOMAN: I know. 1554 01:13:52,384 --> 01:13:54,778 JOSH: The phrase that I always use is that, 1555 01:13:54,821 --> 01:13:57,955 "You see the train coming, but it hits you anyway." 1556 01:13:57,998 --> 01:14:00,174 Judge asked if they had their verdict. 1557 01:14:01,567 --> 01:14:03,613 JOSH: They just went down the list and it was, 1558 01:14:03,656 --> 01:14:05,745 "Guilty as charged." "Guilty as charged." 1559 01:14:05,789 --> 01:14:07,355 "Guilty as charged." 1560 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,010 Every defendant, every count. 1561 01:14:10,054 --> 01:14:11,272 "Guilty, guilty." 1562 01:14:11,316 --> 01:14:12,839 "How do you find the defendants?" "Guilty." 1563 01:14:12,883 --> 01:14:13,840 "How do you find the defendants?" 1564 01:14:13,884 --> 01:14:15,494 "Guilty, guilty, guilty." 1565 01:14:15,538 --> 01:14:17,061 Like, "Holy crap." 1566 01:14:17,104 --> 01:14:19,498 I remember my lawyer put his hand on my shoulder 1567 01:14:19,542 --> 01:14:21,369 and he said, "You can still go to law school." 1568 01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:24,590 And I wasn't crying over that, I was so... 1569 01:14:24,634 --> 01:14:26,505 stunned. I didn't know what else to do 1570 01:14:26,549 --> 01:14:29,595 other than cry. I was just floored. 1571 01:14:31,292 --> 01:14:34,513 I was always get emotionally committed to my clients. 1572 01:14:35,122 --> 01:14:36,167 Um... 1573 01:14:38,386 --> 01:14:40,171 Andy, I guess a little more so. 1574 01:14:45,481 --> 01:14:49,659 It hurt everybody to see these kids be prosecuted. 1575 01:15:14,597 --> 01:15:16,816 CHRISTOPHER: In my seven years as United States Attorney, 1576 01:15:16,860 --> 01:15:19,776 we were equal opportunity prosecutors. 1577 01:15:19,819 --> 01:15:23,997 Believe me, I know how to hold people accountable. 1578 01:15:24,041 --> 01:15:25,521 BOB: Putting these people in jail 1579 01:15:25,564 --> 01:15:27,000 was not what the case was all about. 1580 01:15:28,045 --> 01:15:29,307 It was about 1581 01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:31,570 appeasing the appropriate business interests 1582 01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:33,398 and making a statement. 1583 01:15:33,441 --> 01:15:35,748 It sent a very clear message to, uh, 1584 01:15:35,792 --> 01:15:37,794 the pharmaceutical and biomedical industry 1585 01:15:37,837 --> 01:15:40,057 of having their back and earning their support. 1586 01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:42,494 I, enthusiastically, 1587 01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:43,626 declare my candidacy 1588 01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:45,410 for governor of the state of New Jersey. 1589 01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:55,812 WILL: The rhetoric from prosecutors during the trial 1590 01:15:55,855 --> 01:15:58,597 was that, this was a campaign of lawlessness 1591 01:15:58,641 --> 01:16:01,165 and the reality was very far from that. 1592 01:16:01,208 --> 01:16:03,254 There was no direct evidence 1593 01:16:03,297 --> 01:16:05,517 of any unlawful conduct. 1594 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:06,953 So, now you're in the area 1595 01:16:06,997 --> 01:16:10,391 of either inciting unlawful conduct, 1596 01:16:10,435 --> 01:16:14,526 or conspiring to commit unlawful conduct. 1597 01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:17,181 When you mix that stew up 1598 01:16:17,224 --> 01:16:20,967 and you have a zealous prosecution, 1599 01:16:21,011 --> 01:16:23,404 you have created a time bomb 1600 01:16:23,448 --> 01:16:25,624 as far as the punishment 1601 01:16:25,668 --> 01:16:27,974 of First Amendment activity is concerned. 1602 01:16:29,019 --> 01:16:30,629 PAUL: This was a prosecution 1603 01:16:30,673 --> 01:16:32,500 of a political movement, 1604 01:16:32,544 --> 01:16:34,894 simply by using the charge of conspiracy, 1605 01:16:34,938 --> 01:16:38,245 that envelops both criminal and protected activity. 1606 01:16:38,289 --> 01:16:42,119 A lot of the speech that ends up being protected takes place in the abstract. 1607 01:16:42,162 --> 01:16:44,730 People advocate something. Nothing happens. 1608 01:16:44,774 --> 01:16:47,298 The question is, can the First Amendment really do its job 1609 01:16:47,341 --> 01:16:49,256 when you're engaging an effective advocacy, 1610 01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:51,955 and, I mean, effective in a very particular way, 1611 01:16:51,998 --> 01:16:55,306 which is, I am advocating that something should happen, 1612 01:16:55,349 --> 01:16:58,265 and then, someone agrees with me and makes it happen. 1613 01:16:58,309 --> 01:17:00,659 I mean, can the First Amendment handle that? 1614 01:17:00,703 --> 01:17:02,618 Your gut responds to speech. 1615 01:17:02,661 --> 01:17:04,576 Look at all these fucking police 1616 01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:06,970 that you need to protect you from this campaign. 1617 01:17:08,754 --> 01:17:10,321 That gut feeling that, "Oh, God, 1618 01:17:11,191 --> 01:17:12,628 this is not okay." 1619 01:17:12,671 --> 01:17:14,978 That's not the measure of First Amendment protection, 1620 01:17:15,021 --> 01:17:18,677 that's what the First Amendment is protecting against. 1621 01:17:18,721 --> 01:17:22,072 MAN: The appeal focused on the right of the defendants 1622 01:17:22,115 --> 01:17:23,769 to say what they said. 1623 01:17:23,813 --> 01:17:24,901 On paper, 1624 01:17:24,944 --> 01:17:26,642 the case was so strong. 1625 01:17:26,685 --> 01:17:29,296 The government's argumentation was so weak, 1626 01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:30,515 this might turn around. 1627 01:17:33,474 --> 01:17:36,129 In the courtroom during the appeal, 1628 01:17:36,173 --> 01:17:37,522 it quickly appeared that 1629 01:17:37,565 --> 01:17:38,697 things were gonna be much the same 1630 01:17:38,741 --> 01:17:40,699 as they were at the trial level. 1631 01:17:40,743 --> 01:17:42,179 Defense tried to talk about 1632 01:17:42,222 --> 01:17:43,876 the true nature of the campaign 1633 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,704 and the judges would interrupt. 1634 01:17:45,748 --> 01:17:49,316 This was outlandish talk, but it's just talk. 1635 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,622 And then, the judges would interrupt. 1636 01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:52,624 One of the judges of the Third Circuit, 1637 01:17:52,668 --> 01:17:55,235 sort of, angrily, like, got up out of his chair... 1638 01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:58,021 "Do you have children, sir? Do you have children?" 1639 01:17:58,064 --> 01:18:00,763 "Yes, Your Honor. I do have children. 1640 01:18:00,806 --> 01:18:03,417 I don't think that's relevant to the issue here." 1641 01:18:03,461 --> 01:18:06,072 They already know how they're gonna decide. 1642 01:18:06,116 --> 01:18:10,250 The opinion itself just reeked of prejudice. 1643 01:18:10,294 --> 01:18:11,295 MATTHEW: They write, quote... 1644 01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:19,129 First off, the bombing was a smoke bomb. 1645 01:18:19,172 --> 01:18:21,784 Certainly still illegal, but a smoke bomb. 1646 01:18:21,827 --> 01:18:24,047 Per personal participation that they quote, 1647 01:18:24,090 --> 01:18:26,049 was heard calling into a radio station. 1648 01:18:42,848 --> 01:18:46,156 That's not really the kind of personal involvement 1649 01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,245 in a bombing that is illegal. 1650 01:18:48,288 --> 01:18:50,551 In fact, it's the kind of personal involvement 1651 01:18:50,595 --> 01:18:53,467 in a bombing, that's protected by the First Amendment. 1652 01:18:53,511 --> 01:18:55,774 MATTHEW: Mr. Harper, and now quoting, 1653 01:18:55,818 --> 01:18:58,211 "Coordinated the SHAC campaign in Seattle. 1654 01:18:58,255 --> 01:18:59,822 Gave speeches advocating 1655 01:18:59,865 --> 01:19:01,388 electronic civil disobedience." 1656 01:19:01,432 --> 01:19:03,347 "He visited a Deloitte & Touche office 1657 01:19:03,390 --> 01:19:05,610 during which, it appears, he did nothing illegal." 1658 01:19:05,653 --> 01:19:08,352 MATTHEW: "Called Kjonaas to express his surprise and pleasure 1659 01:19:08,395 --> 01:19:09,788 with SHAC's successes." 1660 01:19:09,832 --> 01:19:11,268 "He wrote an editorial." 1661 01:19:11,311 --> 01:19:12,573 "Harper's personal conduct 1662 01:19:12,617 --> 01:19:15,185 does not cross the line of illegality. 1663 01:19:15,228 --> 01:19:17,927 To punish him simply on the basis of his political speeches 1664 01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:20,320 would run afoul of the constitution." 1665 01:19:20,364 --> 01:19:22,583 The analysis should've ended there. 1666 01:19:22,627 --> 01:19:24,368 But the Third Circuit then went on 1667 01:19:24,411 --> 01:19:26,849 to say that that conduct 1668 01:19:26,892 --> 01:19:29,416 showed that he was part of the conspiracy. 1669 01:19:29,460 --> 01:19:31,767 How do you, on the one hand, say, outright, 1670 01:19:31,810 --> 01:19:34,204 "That speech is constitutionally protected." 1671 01:19:34,247 --> 01:19:36,336 And then, at the very next sentence say, 1672 01:19:36,380 --> 01:19:39,209 "That speech is enough to get you convicted for terrorism." 1673 01:20:07,411 --> 01:20:08,891 -Oh, yeah. 1674 01:20:10,893 --> 01:20:13,591 I'm not taking anything more than two sweatshirts... 1675 01:20:14,766 --> 01:20:17,856 five pairs of white underwear. 1676 01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:20,337 Pack 'em all in under my jeans tomorrow. 1677 01:20:20,380 --> 01:20:22,600 But aside from that, I'm not taking anything else. 1678 01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:25,037 WOMAN: Your name? 1679 01:20:25,081 --> 01:20:26,473 My name is Jake Conroy. 1680 01:20:29,128 --> 01:20:30,303 And? 1681 01:20:31,522 --> 01:20:33,698 -That's my whole name. 1682 01:20:33,741 --> 01:20:36,919 Um, tell us what you are accused of. 1683 01:20:44,535 --> 01:20:47,625 LAUREN: When you believe the First Amendment protects your speech, 1684 01:20:47,668 --> 01:20:49,888 you're believing in a rule. 1685 01:20:49,932 --> 01:20:51,585 But if the law is an instrument of power, 1686 01:20:51,629 --> 01:20:53,196 it doesn't really matter what the rules say. 1687 01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:55,894 I never would've expected this. 1688 01:20:56,808 --> 01:20:58,462 It's pretty devastating. 1689 01:20:58,505 --> 01:20:59,898 KEVIN: Evidence against Dari was, 1690 01:20:59,942 --> 01:21:01,334 he called me to talk about 1691 01:21:01,378 --> 01:21:02,945 when there was gonna be a protest. 1692 01:21:04,033 --> 01:21:05,556 And he was gonna go to jail for that. 1693 01:21:13,912 --> 01:21:16,132 Metaphorical fingerprints are... 1694 01:21:18,786 --> 01:21:21,267 metaphorical fingerprints. What does that even mean? 1695 01:21:21,311 --> 01:21:22,660 What did he do? 1696 01:21:22,703 --> 01:21:24,314 What did he do? 1697 01:21:24,357 --> 01:21:26,142 Were there actual fingerprints anywhere? 1698 01:21:26,185 --> 01:21:28,144 That would be actual evidence 1699 01:21:28,187 --> 01:21:30,581 of engaging in an illegal activity. 1700 01:21:30,624 --> 01:21:31,974 MAN: What do you think they mean? 1701 01:21:32,017 --> 01:21:34,150 I think they mean he was a leader. 1702 01:22:00,654 --> 01:22:02,221 We should bring that tape thing. 1703 01:22:02,265 --> 01:22:03,919 I don't know if my mom's car has a tape player though. 1704 01:22:04,441 --> 01:22:05,964 MAN: Is it a CD? 1705 01:22:06,008 --> 01:22:08,836 I believe so. Cars aren't made with tape players anymore. 1706 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,142 Yeah. 1707 01:22:10,186 --> 01:22:12,014 Do we have any good CDs that we wanna take? 1708 01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:15,669 I don't remember having any CDs anymore. 1709 01:22:17,497 --> 01:22:19,847 But I really wanna make sure it really gets picked up. 1710 01:22:19,891 --> 01:22:21,023 MAN: I wanna be there, like... 1711 01:22:21,066 --> 01:22:22,502 I can be one of your first visits, 1712 01:22:22,546 --> 01:22:24,287 and, like, you know, get there immediately. 1713 01:22:24,330 --> 01:22:25,679 Put money on your books and... 1714 01:22:25,723 --> 01:22:26,942 -That's nice. -You know? 1715 01:22:26,985 --> 01:22:28,726 Just make sure my mom does pick up Willie. 1716 01:22:28,769 --> 01:22:30,336 No, I know she does. I mean, 1717 01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:32,817 she loves Willie and there's no question about that 1718 01:22:32,860 --> 01:22:35,080 and Willie will definitely be happy with her. 1719 01:22:35,124 --> 01:22:36,908 -Yeah. -So... 1720 01:22:36,952 --> 01:22:39,171 KEVIN: I need to touch the piggy. 1721 01:22:46,744 --> 01:22:48,006 Do you wanna say anything else? 1722 01:22:48,833 --> 01:22:49,790 Uh... 1723 01:22:51,879 --> 01:22:54,186 -It's kind of all been said-- -It sucks. 1724 01:22:54,230 --> 01:22:55,883 It's kinda all been said at this point, huh? 1725 01:22:55,927 --> 01:22:57,624 Well, not really, under the camera. 1726 01:22:57,668 --> 01:22:58,625 -Yeah. -But, um... 1727 01:22:59,539 --> 01:23:02,368 You know, it sucks. 1728 01:23:02,412 --> 01:23:05,023 You live in America and you don't have any rights. 1729 01:23:05,067 --> 01:23:05,937 Yeah. 1730 01:23:06,894 --> 01:23:08,200 So I'm done with it. 1731 01:23:09,288 --> 01:23:10,550 I'm all done. 1732 01:23:10,594 --> 01:23:12,813 I'm just gonna dedicate myself to Willie now. 1733 01:23:15,207 --> 01:23:16,904 You're getting a lot of attention there, huh? 1734 01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:21,866 That's it. 1735 01:23:40,754 --> 01:23:43,409 WILL: When I first began investigating this, I thought 1736 01:23:43,453 --> 01:23:45,977 the explanation of why this is happening. 1737 01:23:46,021 --> 01:23:47,544 It's the same explanation you see so many times 1738 01:23:47,587 --> 01:23:49,894 on Washington and any 1739 01:23:49,937 --> 01:23:52,244 seat of government power, and it's money. 1740 01:23:52,288 --> 01:23:55,639 JAKE: You can point fingers at Huntingdon and Brian Cass, 1741 01:23:55,682 --> 01:23:58,033 Charlie McKenna and Chris Christie and 1742 01:23:58,076 --> 01:23:59,512 all these people. 1743 01:23:59,556 --> 01:24:00,992 Are they the symptom of a bigger problem? 1744 01:24:01,688 --> 01:24:02,689 Probably, yeah. 1745 01:24:02,733 --> 01:24:04,126 If we really wanna, like, 1746 01:24:04,169 --> 01:24:06,302 stop picking away leaves and branches off this tree, 1747 01:24:06,345 --> 01:24:09,131 and dig up, like, the roots of the issues, 1748 01:24:09,174 --> 01:24:11,307 we're not gonna find Chris Christie down there. 1749 01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:13,004 Or, you know, Brian Cass. 1750 01:24:13,048 --> 01:24:14,484 We're gonna find capitalism and 1751 01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:16,703 quest for absolute power. 1752 01:24:18,444 --> 01:24:21,926 WILL: There clearly is a very well-articulated fear 1753 01:24:21,969 --> 01:24:25,495 that if these beliefs and these values take hold 1754 01:24:25,538 --> 01:24:27,018 across a broader segment 1755 01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:28,454 of American society, 1756 01:24:28,498 --> 01:24:30,239 they'll be a threat to 1757 01:24:30,282 --> 01:24:32,023 the entire American way of life, 1758 01:24:32,067 --> 01:24:35,592 of how we view our place in the world 1759 01:24:35,635 --> 01:24:37,072 as human beings. 1760 01:24:51,477 --> 01:24:54,045 Hello. My name's Brian Cass. 1761 01:24:54,089 --> 01:24:57,788 I'm the CEO of Envigo. 1762 01:24:57,831 --> 01:24:59,659 Anybody heard of Envigo? 1763 01:24:59,703 --> 01:25:02,009 Prior to Monday of this week, 1764 01:25:02,053 --> 01:25:04,447 you would know us as Huntingdon Life Sciences. 1765 01:25:09,191 --> 01:25:12,019 I just wanna welcome you to tonight's festivities. 1766 01:25:12,063 --> 01:25:13,717 An evening of gambling and drinking, 1767 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,588 which I think is a great beginning 1768 01:25:15,632 --> 01:25:16,720 for our new company. 1769 01:25:25,468 --> 01:25:29,298 I'm not sure that the SHAC strategy is a winning strategy. 1770 01:25:30,168 --> 01:25:31,300 Because we didn't win. 1771 01:25:34,738 --> 01:25:35,739 We didn't win. 1772 01:25:37,393 --> 01:25:38,611 We didn't close the lab. 1773 01:25:39,569 --> 01:25:40,961 There was mass mobilization 1774 01:25:41,005 --> 01:25:43,181 which, I think, is spectacular. 1775 01:25:43,225 --> 01:25:45,183 I'm not sure how useful it was, 1776 01:25:45,227 --> 01:25:47,011 to mobilize 1777 01:25:47,054 --> 01:25:48,578 around a target, 1778 01:25:48,621 --> 01:25:51,146 that we framed as being 1779 01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:53,104 somehow extraordinary. 1780 01:25:53,148 --> 01:25:54,584 Because it's not extraordinary. 1781 01:25:54,627 --> 01:25:56,934 Huntingdon is not extraordinary. 1782 01:25:56,977 --> 01:25:58,936 There's nothing happening at HLS 1783 01:25:58,979 --> 01:26:01,112 that isn't happening all around the world... 1784 01:26:02,766 --> 01:26:04,028 in hundreds of different 1785 01:26:04,071 --> 01:26:05,421 contract research organizations. 1786 01:26:06,248 --> 01:26:07,466 Or for that matter, 1787 01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:09,338 in thousands of universities. 1788 01:26:11,775 --> 01:26:14,038 The suffering that people saw 1789 01:26:14,081 --> 01:26:16,301 in that undercover video... 1790 01:26:16,345 --> 01:26:19,086 As someone who has worked in that industry, 1791 01:26:19,130 --> 01:26:20,218 it was not shocking. 1792 01:26:20,784 --> 01:26:22,351 It is typical. 1793 01:26:22,394 --> 01:26:24,048 That is a normal day. 1794 01:26:26,181 --> 01:26:29,619 This lab and other labs and other... 1795 01:26:29,662 --> 01:26:31,882 institutions of violence against animals 1796 01:26:31,925 --> 01:26:35,842 will close when that sort of violence becomes... 1797 01:26:38,193 --> 01:26:39,629 unacceptable. 1798 01:26:39,672 --> 01:26:41,457 Becomes something that we, 1799 01:26:42,545 --> 01:26:44,938 as a society, don't want. 1800 01:28:09,284 --> 01:28:11,198 KEVIN: Junior and I have this special bond 1801 01:28:11,242 --> 01:28:12,678 with each other because 1802 01:28:12,722 --> 01:28:15,290 he spent the last four-and-a-half years 1803 01:28:15,333 --> 01:28:16,987 in an animal testing lab, 1804 01:28:17,466 --> 01:28:19,032 in a cage. 1805 01:28:19,076 --> 01:28:22,645 And I spent the last four-and-a-half years in a prison. 1806 01:28:23,776 --> 01:28:26,039 And now that I'm free, 1807 01:28:26,083 --> 01:28:28,564 I'm restarting life with a partner, 1808 01:28:29,608 --> 01:28:31,958 who is the embodiment 1809 01:28:32,002 --> 01:28:33,264 of everything I gave up 1810 01:28:33,308 --> 01:28:34,657 those last five years for. 1811 01:28:40,837 --> 01:28:42,317 Thank you. Wow. 1812 01:28:43,883 --> 01:28:48,279 -It's good to be back. 1813 01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:52,544 So let's just address that elephant in the room. 1814 01:28:52,588 --> 01:28:54,938 Yes. Lauren and I and a few other people 1815 01:28:54,981 --> 01:28:57,549 ran the "Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty" campaign. 1816 01:28:57,593 --> 01:29:00,073 And yup, I got a six-year prison sentence 1817 01:29:00,117 --> 01:29:02,815 of which I did four years, nine months and twelve days. 1818 01:29:03,555 --> 01:29:04,556 That chapter 1819 01:29:05,209 --> 01:29:06,993 is mine alone. 1820 01:29:07,037 --> 01:29:08,908 I survived it with the help of my family, 1821 01:29:10,170 --> 01:29:11,171 my friends, 1822 01:29:12,477 --> 01:29:13,391 Aaron. 1823 01:29:15,306 --> 01:29:17,439 KEVIN: These two guys came from a rescue organization 1824 01:29:17,482 --> 01:29:18,614 called "Beagle Freedom Project." 1825 01:29:18,657 --> 01:29:20,137 They're from research laboratories. 1826 01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:21,356 MAN: Oh, really? 1827 01:29:21,399 --> 01:29:22,531 Yeah, they were tested on, both of them, 1828 01:29:22,574 --> 01:29:24,402 -for a couple of years each. -Oh, no. 1829 01:29:24,446 --> 01:29:25,969 My beagle, Junior, 1830 01:29:26,883 --> 01:29:29,146 came to me as a scared, 1831 01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:32,932 confused and fragile little survivor. 1832 01:29:32,976 --> 01:29:35,282 And his body bore the marks... 1833 01:29:35,326 --> 01:29:38,111 His scars where incisions were made. 1834 01:29:38,155 --> 01:29:41,114 Notches on his floppy ears that are missing. 1835 01:29:41,158 --> 01:29:43,508 I watched as that first night, 1836 01:29:43,552 --> 01:29:45,815 he cautiously jumped into our bed, 1837 01:29:45,858 --> 01:29:47,120 his bed, 1838 01:29:47,164 --> 01:29:48,731 for the first time, 1839 01:29:48,774 --> 01:29:51,429 and he decided, bravely enough 1840 01:29:51,473 --> 01:29:54,737 that he was gonna try again with our species. 1841 01:29:54,780 --> 01:29:57,653 If Junior wasn't gonna be defeated by animal testing, 1842 01:29:57,696 --> 01:30:00,177 why the hell would I? 1843 01:30:00,220 --> 01:30:02,048 One of the things I learned about myself 1844 01:30:02,092 --> 01:30:03,354 from the SHAC campaign, 1845 01:30:03,398 --> 01:30:05,791 is, I'm highly competitive 1846 01:30:05,835 --> 01:30:08,359 and very stubborn, and I don't like losing. 1847 01:30:08,403 --> 01:30:10,579 And so, when I start a fight with, uh, somebody, 1848 01:30:10,622 --> 01:30:12,450 an industry or an issue, 1849 01:30:12,494 --> 01:30:14,670 I'm in it for the long haul. 1850 01:30:14,713 --> 01:30:17,455 Beagle Freedom Project existed for five years, 1851 01:30:17,499 --> 01:30:19,718 and we rescued well over a thousand animals 1852 01:30:19,762 --> 01:30:20,763 from laboratories. 1853 01:30:20,806 --> 01:30:22,329 Gave them a second chance at life. 1854 01:30:22,373 --> 01:30:23,679 Just this week, 1855 01:30:23,722 --> 01:30:25,463 New Jersey, Assembly member there, 1856 01:30:25,507 --> 01:30:27,683 introduced our signature piece of legislation, 1857 01:30:27,726 --> 01:30:29,075 the Beagle Freedom Bill. 1858 01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:31,382 Already a law in five other states 1859 01:30:31,426 --> 01:30:33,515 that mandates any tax payer-funded 1860 01:30:33,558 --> 01:30:35,255 research laboratory 1861 01:30:35,299 --> 01:30:37,475 must give the dogs and cats up 1862 01:30:37,519 --> 01:30:40,870 for public adoption when the research is done. 1863 01:30:40,913 --> 01:30:42,480 The industry hates us, 1864 01:30:42,524 --> 01:30:43,916 because they complain that 1865 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,267 we're using "their dogs" in propaganda 1866 01:30:47,311 --> 01:30:49,139 against them quite effectively. 1867 01:30:49,835 --> 01:30:51,576 And for that... 1868 01:30:51,620 --> 01:30:53,448 Yeah, we are. 1869 01:30:53,491 --> 01:30:56,233 God bless you. You're really doing, uh, work. 1870 01:30:56,276 --> 01:30:57,539 -So thank you. -I appreciate it. 1871 01:30:57,582 --> 01:30:58,757 -Thanks for having us on. -Thanks, Kevin. 1872 01:30:58,801 --> 01:31:00,411 Just like 15 years ago, 1873 01:31:00,455 --> 01:31:01,847 when I stood before you 1874 01:31:01,891 --> 01:31:03,806 and I gave you a speech, 1875 01:31:03,849 --> 01:31:05,503 free of fear 1876 01:31:05,547 --> 01:31:07,940 without regard to consequences. 1877 01:31:07,984 --> 01:31:09,768 I do it again tonight, 1878 01:31:09,812 --> 01:31:12,118 because I know what those consequences are. 1879 01:31:12,162 --> 01:31:14,860 I survived them and so can you. 1880 01:31:24,653 --> 01:31:25,654 ANDY: Oh, it's here. 1881 01:31:26,568 --> 01:31:28,483 It's here. 1882 01:31:28,526 --> 01:31:30,876 It's kind of got a little bit of flood damage on it. 1883 01:31:33,836 --> 01:31:36,403 You know, someone wrote for theFinancial Times of London... 1884 01:31:37,448 --> 01:31:38,405 about the campaign, 1885 01:31:39,581 --> 01:31:41,844 to have the premiere paper 1886 01:31:41,887 --> 01:31:43,541 for the world's capital markets, 1887 01:31:43,585 --> 01:31:45,978 have a line in it that said 1888 01:31:46,022 --> 01:31:48,720 that these individuals are succeeding with 1889 01:31:48,764 --> 01:31:50,766 fighting capitalism where Karl Marx 1890 01:31:50,809 --> 01:31:53,638 and the Red Brigades failed. 1891 01:31:53,682 --> 01:31:56,249 It was, kind of, a really serious... 1892 01:31:56,293 --> 01:31:58,382 serious, uh, statement to read. 1893 01:31:58,425 --> 01:32:00,340 And so when I read that, I was like... 1894 01:32:00,384 --> 01:32:02,734 Feel like I'm part of history, being part of this. 1895 01:32:04,475 --> 01:32:06,042 MAN: These tactics worked then 1896 01:32:06,999 --> 01:32:08,044 and they'll work again. 1897 01:32:12,222 --> 01:32:14,224 JOSH: Although I'm most certainly 1898 01:32:14,267 --> 01:32:15,965 not the same person 1899 01:32:16,008 --> 01:32:19,795 that I was when I walked into prison, 1900 01:32:19,838 --> 01:32:22,667 the difference is then it removed from me 1901 01:32:22,711 --> 01:32:24,974 the most valuable parts of who I am. 1902 01:32:27,716 --> 01:32:30,501 All the things that I had gone to prison 1903 01:32:30,545 --> 01:32:32,329 for fighting for 1904 01:32:32,372 --> 01:32:33,983 still matter to me. 1905 01:32:34,026 --> 01:32:36,507 And in many ways seem more urgent 1906 01:32:36,551 --> 01:32:38,857 to me now than they did then. 1907 01:32:41,251 --> 01:32:43,949 None of us do have the magic solution. 1908 01:32:43,993 --> 01:32:46,996 Revolution is not really a science. 1909 01:32:47,039 --> 01:32:51,130 I think that revolution is a little bit more like surfing. 1910 01:32:51,174 --> 01:32:53,132 There's a wave coming at you. 1911 01:32:53,176 --> 01:32:55,004 You don't really know what it's gonna bring, 1912 01:32:55,047 --> 01:32:56,396 or when it's gonna stop, 1913 01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:58,224 or how it's gonna drop out. 1914 01:32:58,268 --> 01:33:00,444 But you've gotta ride it anyway. 1915 01:33:00,487 --> 01:33:02,707 Right now, I really do believe 1916 01:33:02,751 --> 01:33:04,622 there's a new wave coming. 1917 01:33:04,666 --> 01:33:07,364 People's anger and passion, compassion 1918 01:33:07,407 --> 01:33:09,540 will only stay suppressed for so long. 1919 01:33:13,936 --> 01:33:16,982 JAKE: It's not just about Earth liberation. 1920 01:33:17,026 --> 01:33:20,638 It's not just about human liberation. 1921 01:33:20,682 --> 01:33:23,510 It's not just about animal liberation. 1922 01:33:23,554 --> 01:33:25,687 It's about collective liberation. 1923 01:33:25,730 --> 01:33:27,340 The liberation of everyone. 1924 01:33:27,384 --> 01:33:28,603 Because at the end of the day, 1925 01:33:28,646 --> 01:33:30,692 like, we all want to be free. 1926 01:33:30,735 --> 01:33:32,389 And if we start picking and choosing 1927 01:33:32,432 --> 01:33:33,825 who gets to be free, 1928 01:33:33,869 --> 01:33:35,827 we're never gonna get anywhere. 1929 01:33:37,220 --> 01:33:38,874 JOSH: As frightening as it is 1930 01:33:38,917 --> 01:33:41,790 to talk about the need for confrontation 1931 01:33:41,833 --> 01:33:44,009 after I'd gone to prison 1932 01:33:44,053 --> 01:33:46,055 for talking about that need, 1933 01:33:46,098 --> 01:33:47,709 I can't in good conscience 1934 01:33:48,405 --> 01:33:50,146 turn my back on 1935 01:33:50,189 --> 01:33:52,627 what history has told me. 1936 01:33:53,453 --> 01:33:55,368 And that is that, 1937 01:33:55,412 --> 01:33:59,285 without struggle, there is not progress. 1938 01:33:59,329 --> 01:34:02,941 And that unless you are willing 1939 01:34:02,985 --> 01:34:06,989 to rise up and to fight with your hands... 1940 01:34:10,035 --> 01:34:11,123 nothing changes. 143554

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