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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,838 --> 00:00:12,711 The Hammer men, you just don't know 2 00:00:12,712 --> 00:00:16,290 what's hiding behind their personality or behind their demeanor. 3 00:00:17,401 --> 00:00:20,109 And it's really apparent with Armie. 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,859 What's coming out publicly 5 00:00:23,860 --> 00:00:27,715 about the love bombing and the texting and the controlling. 6 00:00:29,173 --> 00:00:31,673 I'm not surprised by any of that. 7 00:00:31,674 --> 00:00:35,630 And it weirds and scares a lot of people, 8 00:00:35,631 --> 00:00:38,029 but for me it's really familiar. 9 00:00:39,591 --> 00:00:43,341 If you believe about making deals with the devil, 10 00:00:43,342 --> 00:00:46,987 the Hammers are top of the totem pole. 11 00:00:52,752 --> 00:00:57,439 After the documentary was announced before we started filming, 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,281 I received a text. 13 00:00:59,906 --> 00:01:01,503 And it was a friend. 14 00:01:02,128 --> 00:01:03,240 She said... 15 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:26,583 I have this reoccurring dream. 16 00:02:29,186 --> 00:02:31,688 It starts with this motel sign. 17 00:02:35,646 --> 00:02:39,708 But in my dream, the motel just keeps going. 18 00:02:43,043 --> 00:02:45,127 Something worse is happening in each room. 19 00:02:50,022 --> 00:02:51,933 And I can't get the fuck out. 20 00:02:57,628 --> 00:02:58,808 There's no way out. 21 00:03:00,163 --> 00:03:01,996 You have to go through the whole thing again. 22 00:03:07,732 --> 00:03:13,463 The scenario with the ropes in Sedona was six days before I met his mom. 23 00:03:15,269 --> 00:03:17,004 After that, it was horrible. 24 00:03:20,443 --> 00:03:22,942 I completely disassociated. 25 00:03:22,943 --> 00:03:25,130 It was like I wanted to get as far away from him, 26 00:03:25,131 --> 00:03:27,145 as far away from what had happened. 27 00:03:32,979 --> 00:03:34,507 I always keep a journal. 28 00:03:36,278 --> 00:03:40,549 This piece is something I wrote on my way 29 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:43,257 to my first treatment center on October 5th. 30 00:03:44,334 --> 00:03:45,550 This is on the plane. 31 00:04:09,025 --> 00:04:12,567 "I surrendered to him 100 percent, 32 00:04:12,637 --> 00:04:14,755 gave him anything good I had left. 33 00:04:14,824 --> 00:04:16,803 What in the fuck is wrong with you? 34 00:04:16,804 --> 00:04:21,387 He used me in every way humanly possible for months and I fucking let him. 35 00:04:21,388 --> 00:04:25,068 I feel absolutely numb and small and disgusting and ugly." 36 00:04:31,701 --> 00:04:33,785 While I was in rehab... 37 00:04:36,598 --> 00:04:39,410 Some idiot texted me, 38 00:04:40,661 --> 00:04:41,911 "Armie has a new girlfriend." 39 00:04:45,245 --> 00:04:48,370 And I looked her up. 40 00:04:56,287 --> 00:04:58,079 The first thing I saw, she was really young. 41 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,642 She's gorgeous. 42 00:05:03,823 --> 00:05:06,740 But she posted a picture, it was like, kind of a lingerie picture. 43 00:05:08,372 --> 00:05:10,178 She had bruises all over her arms, 44 00:05:11,185 --> 00:05:13,616 her chest, her legs. 45 00:05:17,783 --> 00:05:21,325 I could see the bruises and I knew exactly what that picture was. 46 00:05:21,395 --> 00:05:23,478 You know, he says, "Wear it like a badge of honor." 47 00:05:23,999 --> 00:05:26,220 My heart fucking sank 48 00:05:26,221 --> 00:05:28,513 because I was like, "He's gonna do this 49 00:05:28,583 --> 00:05:30,249 to somebody who's 22 years old. 50 00:05:30,250 --> 00:05:32,229 What he just did to me." I was 30. 51 00:05:32,750 --> 00:05:33,792 She's 22. 52 00:05:34,834 --> 00:05:36,163 I know how it is in the beginning. 53 00:05:36,188 --> 00:05:39,973 And I just like, I knew what she felt at the time. 54 00:05:40,043 --> 00:05:41,397 She looked so happy, like... 55 00:05:42,126 --> 00:05:43,479 I was there. 56 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,869 He was on to the next one who's... 57 00:05:46,744 --> 00:05:48,377 Younger? Maybe more naive? 58 00:05:49,209 --> 00:05:51,918 Maybe more impressed with his fame? 59 00:05:51,919 --> 00:05:55,460 It was... He was off to do it to her. 60 00:05:57,058 --> 00:06:00,148 I had just got out of a two year really long relationship 61 00:06:00,149 --> 00:06:02,578 when I moved to LA. I had never been to LA before. 62 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:05,774 That was um, my second time ever going. So... 63 00:06:06,955 --> 00:06:09,976 My first impressions of him were extremely charming. 64 00:06:10,775 --> 00:06:12,858 Just captivated the room. 65 00:06:12,859 --> 00:06:14,630 He was just full of life. 66 00:06:15,463 --> 00:06:17,547 Loving, charismatic. 67 00:06:18,727 --> 00:06:20,358 Kind of the person that we see in the interviews 68 00:06:20,359 --> 00:06:22,650 and the person that we see on the screen. 69 00:06:22,651 --> 00:06:24,109 Armie, turn your head for me. 70 00:06:24,110 --> 00:06:28,172 And he really was so all consuming 71 00:06:28,173 --> 00:06:30,775 and he made me feel like it was a safe space. 72 00:06:30,776 --> 00:06:32,548 Made me feel this was normal. He made me feel like 73 00:06:32,549 --> 00:06:35,047 this was gonna be fun and sexy. 74 00:06:35,048 --> 00:06:39,633 He carried safety pins, Shibari rope, knives... 75 00:06:40,987 --> 00:06:43,070 Uh, like a paddle. 76 00:06:43,071 --> 00:06:47,444 Just a lot of the BDSM tools. 77 00:06:47,445 --> 00:06:49,981 He would always travel with it wherever we went 78 00:06:50,051 --> 00:06:52,169 and whenever he came over to my home in LA. 79 00:06:54,946 --> 00:06:58,940 He said he wanted to find a doctor in Los Angeles to remove both my ribs. 80 00:07:02,238 --> 00:07:04,531 He wanted to eat my ribs. He wanted to smoke them. 81 00:07:05,886 --> 00:07:07,239 He was obsessed with meat. 82 00:07:08,385 --> 00:07:11,928 I brushed it off, but I do believe that he was serious. 83 00:07:13,698 --> 00:07:16,822 He would set up things called high protocol nights. 84 00:07:16,823 --> 00:07:18,733 He'd set up a night with very strict rules 85 00:07:18,734 --> 00:07:21,511 and it's all built around like, inflicting pain 86 00:07:21,513 --> 00:07:24,742 on the submissive one in the relationship, which was me. 87 00:07:27,659 --> 00:07:31,131 I didn't know what BDSM was, so I thought that that was normal. 88 00:07:34,257 --> 00:07:37,590 To me, it's obvious that Armie Hammer chose people 89 00:07:37,659 --> 00:07:40,264 who didn't have any experience in BDSM 90 00:07:40,265 --> 00:07:43,076 because it gives him an advantage 91 00:07:43,078 --> 00:07:44,675 to prey upon these people. 92 00:07:46,724 --> 00:07:48,425 Because they're more easily coerced 93 00:07:48,495 --> 00:07:51,412 because they don't know what BDSM really is. 94 00:07:54,641 --> 00:07:57,384 I had no idea what I was getting into. 95 00:07:57,453 --> 00:08:01,343 And looking back, it's like, very dangerous. 96 00:08:02,802 --> 00:08:08,288 The traditional motto of BDSM is safe, sane and consensual. 97 00:08:08,289 --> 00:08:11,864 Most commonly in the dom-sub relationship, 98 00:08:11,865 --> 00:08:16,031 the scenes are all centered around the sub's fantasies. 99 00:08:16,032 --> 00:08:18,079 Safety and trust are right there. 100 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,727 It's the foundation of the BDSM relationship. 101 00:08:21,728 --> 00:08:23,891 On One of these high protocol nights, 102 00:08:23,916 --> 00:08:28,429 I was tied up, and he basically looked over my body and said to me, 103 00:08:28,430 --> 00:08:30,999 "Where should I put my initials on you?" 104 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,889 And then he just started to carve his initial into me. 105 00:08:34,957 --> 00:08:36,249 And I just didn't say anything. 106 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:41,521 It was bleeding and he was licking it, 107 00:08:41,522 --> 00:08:43,605 drinking kind of like, blood. 108 00:08:46,417 --> 00:08:48,258 Yeah, that's heavy. 109 00:08:51,557 --> 00:08:54,646 The part that stands out to me is, you know, him coming to her and said, 110 00:08:54,647 --> 00:08:57,183 "Where should I put my initials on you?" 111 00:08:57,253 --> 00:08:59,787 And then, he just proceeded to cut her. 112 00:08:59,856 --> 00:09:03,815 So there was no negotiations before the scene about it. 113 00:09:03,816 --> 00:09:05,898 She is in a very vulnerable position 114 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:09,580 because she is feeling submissive, 115 00:09:09,650 --> 00:09:11,837 she's in a state of wanting to please him 116 00:09:11,838 --> 00:09:13,671 and she doesn't want to say no in the moment. 117 00:09:15,102 --> 00:09:16,212 I was in a weak position 118 00:09:16,213 --> 00:09:17,914 and he was in a position of power. 119 00:09:17,984 --> 00:09:21,873 He knew how uncomfortable it made me, but I just never said no. 120 00:09:21,943 --> 00:09:24,442 And I think that kind of being coerced into things 121 00:09:24,443 --> 00:09:26,004 and we just don't want to say no. 122 00:09:26,005 --> 00:09:27,338 We don't want to be undesirable. 123 00:09:28,506 --> 00:09:29,652 It's traumatizing. 124 00:09:30,694 --> 00:09:32,672 I was vulnerable. 125 00:09:32,673 --> 00:09:34,861 I was groomed by him. 126 00:09:38,959 --> 00:09:43,506 Someone who's getting off on somebody else's fear, 127 00:09:43,507 --> 00:09:48,091 when that person feels uncomfortable about it, 128 00:09:48,092 --> 00:09:52,259 is not a kinkster doing BDSM. 129 00:09:54,655 --> 00:09:56,426 That person is an abuser. 130 00:09:58,718 --> 00:10:02,258 And that's very sad to think about. 131 00:10:02,259 --> 00:10:05,316 When you look back and you realize it was just abuse and manipulation. 132 00:10:05,384 --> 00:10:07,467 It wasn't somebody that cared for you 133 00:10:07,468 --> 00:10:11,671 and you just like, fell into their trap so gracefully. 134 00:10:22,922 --> 00:10:26,117 When the abuse allegations came out, 135 00:10:27,784 --> 00:10:31,048 it was a mixture of shocked and not shocked. 136 00:10:32,993 --> 00:10:35,840 I had an opportunity to work with Armie Hammer. 137 00:10:42,820 --> 00:10:47,160 What I had experienced was nothing compared to what they had experienced. 138 00:10:48,724 --> 00:10:52,057 But the same kind of qualities were there. 139 00:10:52,058 --> 00:10:55,530 Basically every story I have to tell about him can be rooted in, 140 00:10:55,599 --> 00:10:58,100 "I control you 'cause you're my employee." 141 00:10:59,557 --> 00:11:03,760 Armie puts on this beautiful face to everybody. 142 00:11:03,829 --> 00:11:06,871 I was just trying to make a damn movie. Everybody just needs to calm down. 143 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,427 You'd work with him the entire movie 144 00:11:10,497 --> 00:11:14,282 and never see through that facade. 145 00:11:16,157 --> 00:11:18,137 Behind closed doors, it's different. 146 00:11:20,915 --> 00:11:23,206 There was one instance where he told me 147 00:11:23,207 --> 00:11:25,809 that this old friend of his was coming into town 148 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:28,763 and he wanted me to go to the airport and hold up a sign 149 00:11:28,832 --> 00:11:30,811 in the airport that said, "Faggot." 150 00:11:32,166 --> 00:11:34,561 I have chills actually thinking about it right now. 151 00:11:34,562 --> 00:11:36,541 If I said no to him about something, 152 00:11:36,542 --> 00:11:38,764 he'd try and find ways to shame me. 153 00:11:39,910 --> 00:11:42,306 And this time he took a poll from everybody. 154 00:11:44,077 --> 00:11:47,897 "Should I fire him because he won't do what I told him to do?" 155 00:11:49,981 --> 00:11:51,959 I was a big kind of joke or whatever. 156 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,703 And he kept really pushing and pushing and pushing 157 00:11:54,772 --> 00:11:56,106 because he thought it'd be funny. 158 00:11:58,628 --> 00:12:01,648 We ended up at a strip club once. 159 00:12:01,649 --> 00:12:07,101 10 a.m. on a Tuesday, me and Armie and other actors and other crew members 160 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:11,128 and lording his position and my position over my head, 161 00:12:11,129 --> 00:12:14,150 forced me into getting a lap dance. 162 00:12:15,816 --> 00:12:18,212 I was very against it. I didn't want to do it. 163 00:12:18,213 --> 00:12:21,024 I felt incredibly uncomfortable with it. 164 00:12:21,025 --> 00:12:23,978 But he basically ended up again saying, "I'm your superior. 165 00:12:24,046 --> 00:12:25,088 You need to do this." 166 00:12:25,957 --> 00:12:28,212 And so, he made me believe 167 00:12:28,213 --> 00:12:30,401 that I had no choice. 168 00:12:31,791 --> 00:12:33,421 I could have walked away, 169 00:12:33,422 --> 00:12:37,069 but you just get scared of the stature of it all. 170 00:12:37,070 --> 00:12:41,480 The job title and the person. 171 00:12:41,549 --> 00:12:44,050 - You do dangerous things? - Yeah, I mean I like to, yeah. 172 00:12:45,091 --> 00:12:46,342 It just snowballed. 173 00:12:48,703 --> 00:12:51,654 We would get into his car and then we would do 140 miles-an-hour 174 00:12:51,655 --> 00:12:56,898 like, through residential streets while he was inebriated. 175 00:12:56,968 --> 00:12:59,570 And it would scare me like crazy. 176 00:12:59,571 --> 00:13:02,523 My wife, uh, for the longest time was convinced 177 00:13:02,524 --> 00:13:05,197 that I had what she called a frontal lobe issue 178 00:13:05,198 --> 00:13:10,406 which I guess she says that's where you assess risk and danger and all that, 179 00:13:10,407 --> 00:13:14,051 and she says that mine is just severely underdeveloped. 180 00:13:14,052 --> 00:13:19,088 It was just kind of daredevil machismo and exerting power. 181 00:13:22,804 --> 00:13:25,755 I just want to be helpful to the people that need it. 182 00:13:25,825 --> 00:13:29,366 There are a lot of women that have had their lives 183 00:13:29,367 --> 00:13:32,180 irreparably damaged by all of this. 184 00:13:35,410 --> 00:13:37,284 It's like Dante's Inferno. 185 00:13:37,285 --> 00:13:39,577 It's gonna get worse the deeper down you go. 186 00:13:40,410 --> 00:13:42,007 At the bottom it's just Armie. 187 00:13:46,974 --> 00:13:49,196 I knew Armie came from wealth. 188 00:13:49,265 --> 00:13:53,571 There are stories about like, his connection to Armand Hammer. 189 00:13:54,891 --> 00:13:58,259 I would say had I chosen to sort of follow the family's path 190 00:13:58,329 --> 00:14:01,038 and gone into business, it would have been much more advantageous. 191 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,329 He told me about growing up in the Caymans. 192 00:14:06,351 --> 00:14:10,829 And how his father bought a mansion there 193 00:14:10,830 --> 00:14:12,636 'cause he had seen The Firm. 194 00:14:13,365 --> 00:14:14,685 That's rich people shit. 195 00:14:19,061 --> 00:14:21,871 I feel like with a lot of wealthy families, 196 00:14:21,872 --> 00:14:23,575 there's always a dark story there. 197 00:14:23,644 --> 00:14:27,707 No one can ever be totally normal when you have that much wealth. 198 00:14:30,346 --> 00:14:34,270 And Armie's father is the picture perfect example of that. 199 00:14:39,722 --> 00:14:42,014 Michael and Dru basically walked away 200 00:14:42,084 --> 00:14:44,306 with everything after my grandfather died. 201 00:14:47,119 --> 00:14:49,688 They took control of the Hammer Foundation, 202 00:14:49,689 --> 00:14:52,953 his estate and millions of dollars. 203 00:15:00,454 --> 00:15:03,439 There were famous rabbis at his funeral. 204 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,705 And he literally was supposed to have a bar mitzvah the day after he died. 205 00:15:08,163 --> 00:15:11,914 Dru's father in the middle of Armand Hammer's funeral 206 00:15:11,983 --> 00:15:15,456 declared that Armand had changed his religion 207 00:15:15,525 --> 00:15:17,401 and accepted Jesus on his deathbed. 208 00:15:21,185 --> 00:15:24,901 Dru's father says that before Armand died, 209 00:15:26,186 --> 00:15:28,478 he said, "I accept Christ." 210 00:15:31,672 --> 00:15:35,666 And all these people's jaws just fell open. 211 00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:45,319 Michael Hammer had $40 million in that trust 212 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,793 and he is now taking Armand's funds 213 00:15:48,863 --> 00:15:52,196 and putting them into all of these Evangelical causes. 214 00:15:54,176 --> 00:15:57,960 Christian organizations and Christian universities. 215 00:15:58,030 --> 00:16:01,674 It feels like he rewrote the script for his grandfather 216 00:16:01,675 --> 00:16:04,697 and it just doesn't seem like things are being handled 217 00:16:04,698 --> 00:16:06,920 in the way that Armand would have wanted. 218 00:16:09,941 --> 00:16:14,384 Michael technically worked for Occidental for like another year. 219 00:16:14,385 --> 00:16:16,157 And then he left Oxy. 220 00:16:19,074 --> 00:16:22,408 Michael didn't want to carry on the name from my grandfather at all. 221 00:16:25,845 --> 00:16:31,471 You have Michael who is the most Christian man out there to the public. 222 00:16:31,472 --> 00:16:33,485 But at the same time behind the scenes, 223 00:16:33,555 --> 00:16:36,368 it's clear to me that there was some really bad behavior. 224 00:16:39,493 --> 00:16:42,132 Hang onto your hats, guys. The Armie Hammer article dropped 225 00:16:42,202 --> 00:16:43,903 and the tea is piping hot. 226 00:16:44,806 --> 00:16:46,820 Michael Hammer, Armie's father, 227 00:16:46,890 --> 00:16:49,640 it seems he may have passed down some of his proclivity to his son. 228 00:16:57,204 --> 00:16:59,843 The sex throne, I heard about a confirmed photo. 229 00:16:59,912 --> 00:17:01,926 So the sex throne's like, seven feet tall. 230 00:17:01,996 --> 00:17:07,864 And there's also the Hammer insignia, their family crest, on the throne. 231 00:17:07,934 --> 00:17:09,183 "For years, three people claimed, 232 00:17:09,184 --> 00:17:10,954 Michael boasted about a sex throne 233 00:17:10,955 --> 00:17:12,724 or naughty chair, as he has called it, 234 00:17:12,725 --> 00:17:15,121 and kept in Armand Hammer Foundation headquarters." 235 00:17:21,060 --> 00:17:22,658 There is a hook, like a meat hook. 236 00:17:23,387 --> 00:17:26,163 And I... 237 00:17:26,164 --> 00:17:30,330 Almost don't even want to imagine what somebody would do with this. 238 00:17:37,972 --> 00:17:42,104 Michael's lawyer came out and said that this was a gag gift. 239 00:17:42,105 --> 00:17:47,729 It seems like an awfully large gag gift and a very customized gag gift to give someone. 240 00:17:47,730 --> 00:17:52,974 Sex thrones most certainly do not align with a Christian image. 241 00:17:53,564 --> 00:17:54,606 Like father, like son. 242 00:17:56,065 --> 00:17:57,870 It's such a facade. 243 00:18:00,370 --> 00:18:02,412 I think we're all seeing the pattern. 244 00:18:03,253 --> 00:18:07,108 It's just generation to generation. 245 00:18:11,065 --> 00:18:13,774 We all know Armie's public persona. 246 00:18:13,775 --> 00:18:17,838 I think his team and his family kind of curates this image 247 00:18:19,295 --> 00:18:20,929 around him? 248 00:18:24,748 --> 00:18:28,359 The Hammers are very keen on presenting themselves 249 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,276 for public consumption in a certain way. 250 00:18:31,277 --> 00:18:35,166 And so, Armie Hammer used the same practices 251 00:18:35,236 --> 00:18:37,978 as his father, Michael, 252 00:18:37,979 --> 00:18:40,549 and his great-grandfather, Armand Hammer. 253 00:18:41,938 --> 00:18:44,820 You don't see what's going on behind the curtain. 254 00:18:47,355 --> 00:18:49,959 Armand Hammer had many secrets. 255 00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:57,321 When Armand Hammer died, 256 00:18:57,322 --> 00:19:02,218 to my surprise, Julian Hammer gave me a great deal of material. 257 00:19:06,698 --> 00:19:09,024 He gave me all his private papers 258 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:12,219 as well as recordings of his father. 259 00:19:16,594 --> 00:19:21,802 I think that it was because, very simply spoken, 260 00:19:21,803 --> 00:19:25,901 he hated what his father had done to him in cutting him out of his will. 261 00:19:27,638 --> 00:19:32,115 He decided that he was gonna expose his father 262 00:19:32,116 --> 00:19:33,576 as a criminal. 263 00:19:38,056 --> 00:19:40,138 Occidental would have been a very small oil company 264 00:19:40,139 --> 00:19:42,223 which we wouldn't even know the name today 265 00:19:43,369 --> 00:19:47,987 except Hammer was a master at bribery. 266 00:19:50,904 --> 00:19:53,821 Armand Hammer would go to a powerful person. 267 00:19:57,954 --> 00:19:59,307 He would offer them money, 268 00:20:00,245 --> 00:20:02,746 illegal cash bribes. 269 00:20:04,309 --> 00:20:05,489 He would deliver the money. 270 00:20:09,552 --> 00:20:14,309 And Julian would record the entire crime being committed 271 00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:16,844 so he could later blackmail the person. 272 00:20:20,352 --> 00:20:21,811 Yeah. 273 00:20:26,325 --> 00:20:28,164 Very little shocks me, I should say, 274 00:20:28,165 --> 00:20:30,596 but the tapes he gave me shocked me. 275 00:20:37,784 --> 00:20:39,034 That's the President... 276 00:20:41,222 --> 00:20:43,062 of Venezuela he's bribing. 277 00:20:47,369 --> 00:20:50,286 Hammer had no shame. 278 00:20:51,189 --> 00:20:53,272 He ignored all laws. 279 00:20:53,273 --> 00:20:56,604 Armand Hammer built his own business empire 280 00:20:56,605 --> 00:20:59,835 on a great number of great crimes. 281 00:21:01,225 --> 00:21:04,731 The extraordinary thing about the Hammer family 282 00:21:04,732 --> 00:21:10,184 is the consistency of vice over virtue. 283 00:21:21,504 --> 00:21:24,422 I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. 284 00:21:28,693 --> 00:21:31,818 In the movie All the President's Men, 285 00:21:31,819 --> 00:21:35,254 which was about the Watergate Scandal, 286 00:21:35,256 --> 00:21:40,290 Deep Throat says, "Follow the money." 287 00:21:40,291 --> 00:21:43,938 If they did, they would have found that it led to Armand Hammer. 288 00:21:47,966 --> 00:21:54,217 Hammer routinely made illegal campaign contributions to politicians. 289 00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:56,855 I saw it firsthand 290 00:21:56,856 --> 00:22:01,405 that the political establishment is buyable from top to bottom. 291 00:22:03,801 --> 00:22:07,795 This money was used to pay off the Watergate burglars. 292 00:22:10,886 --> 00:22:15,468 Hammer orchestrated a cover up where other people lied. 293 00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:16,650 And when that collapsed, 294 00:22:18,282 --> 00:22:20,678 Hammer had to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. 295 00:22:24,325 --> 00:22:27,589 Today, Hammer pleaded guilty of hiding contributions 296 00:22:27,658 --> 00:22:29,428 to the Nixon reelection campaign. 297 00:22:31,617 --> 00:22:35,923 Having an outstanding conviction was bad for business. 298 00:22:38,215 --> 00:22:43,701 And he saw creating a relationship with Prince Charles... 299 00:22:43,702 --> 00:22:47,243 Well, I am indebted to Dr. Hammer. 300 00:22:47,244 --> 00:22:50,508 as a way of making himself respectable again. 301 00:22:52,453 --> 00:22:56,827 He knew that everybody has a price. 302 00:22:56,828 --> 00:23:01,620 With Prince Charles, he just had to discover what that price would be. 303 00:23:03,807 --> 00:23:07,765 When Prince Charles and Diana visited the United States, 304 00:23:07,766 --> 00:23:12,454 their only unofficial, non-state occasion 305 00:23:12,455 --> 00:23:15,267 was the gala that Hammer threw for them. 306 00:23:17,351 --> 00:23:22,143 On the front pages of every newspaper, every magazine, 307 00:23:22,144 --> 00:23:24,366 their visit was the top story. 308 00:23:27,353 --> 00:23:32,561 And in the end, Hammer provided £40 million 309 00:23:32,562 --> 00:23:34,992 to Prince Charles' causes, 310 00:23:35,061 --> 00:23:38,118 which would add up to like, a quarter of a billion today. 311 00:23:39,333 --> 00:23:44,645 And Charles did see Hammer as a source 312 00:23:44,646 --> 00:23:46,833 of the funds for everything he cared about. 313 00:23:46,834 --> 00:23:53,917 How on earth do they expect us to get anything done without money? 314 00:24:03,503 --> 00:24:08,294 I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States. 315 00:24:10,482 --> 00:24:15,726 George Bush Sr. did give him a pardon for the Watergate Scandal. 316 00:24:15,796 --> 00:24:17,149 Why did George Bush pardon him? 317 00:24:17,150 --> 00:24:20,414 Hammer was a major contributor to both political parties. 318 00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:25,936 Hammer told me his private golden rule 319 00:24:26,004 --> 00:24:28,957 was the person with the gold makes the rules. 320 00:24:32,881 --> 00:24:37,986 I had reservations about the way he presented himself. 321 00:24:39,028 --> 00:24:41,771 But it was only really from '88 322 00:24:43,299 --> 00:24:45,625 that my eyes were fully opened 323 00:24:46,944 --> 00:24:50,522 to the lying on which his life was based. 324 00:24:51,737 --> 00:24:53,647 Now the situation in the North Sea 325 00:24:53,717 --> 00:24:56,424 where an Occidental petroleum oil rig blew up. 326 00:24:57,988 --> 00:24:59,654 Piper Alpha was a platform 327 00:24:59,655 --> 00:25:01,738 owned by Occidental in the North Sea. 328 00:25:01,739 --> 00:25:06,009 It was the cornerstone of Occidental's wealth. 329 00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:10,176 Mayday! Explosion and fire on the Piper Alpha. 330 00:25:10,177 --> 00:25:14,379 In July 1988, there was an accident on Piper Alpha 331 00:25:14,448 --> 00:25:20,281 that was the worst accident on an off-shore platform in the world ever. 332 00:25:24,033 --> 00:25:27,887 The ensuing fire was so severe, half the platform collapsed. 333 00:25:29,242 --> 00:25:31,846 167 people died. 334 00:25:33,652 --> 00:25:38,410 Within minutes, the first London newspapers were on the phone calling me, 335 00:25:39,034 --> 00:25:40,492 asking if I knew anything. 336 00:25:40,493 --> 00:25:44,070 And I started to think about 337 00:25:44,138 --> 00:25:48,445 how I could serve Armand Hammer in these circumstances. 338 00:25:52,161 --> 00:25:55,597 I said to Hammer, "Be the spokesman for the corporation. 339 00:25:55,598 --> 00:25:58,098 Don't duck away. 340 00:25:58,099 --> 00:26:00,183 The worst thing you can do is hide." 341 00:26:03,863 --> 00:26:06,572 There were hundreds of journalists. 342 00:26:06,642 --> 00:26:09,140 And Hammer took the stage 343 00:26:09,141 --> 00:26:12,198 and just gave the performance of his life. 344 00:26:12,267 --> 00:26:15,219 - Well, how do you feel personally about it? - I feel very sad. 345 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:19,976 He was sad, he was brave, 346 00:26:19,977 --> 00:26:23,309 he fronted up. He said, "The buck stops with me," 347 00:26:23,311 --> 00:26:26,018 which was a complete falsehood. 348 00:26:26,019 --> 00:26:28,934 And the press completely swallowed it. 349 00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:33,032 There was not one skeptical question. 350 00:26:33,033 --> 00:26:39,040 Nobody said to him, "This platform has a deplorable safety record. 351 00:26:39,041 --> 00:26:42,166 There's already been one man killed in the recent year. 352 00:26:42,167 --> 00:26:43,868 There was a mass evacuation." 353 00:26:43,938 --> 00:26:48,312 And he got off exactly in the way that he intended 354 00:26:48,313 --> 00:26:50,431 and in the way that I had devised. 355 00:26:55,015 --> 00:26:56,994 We went to the airport. 356 00:26:56,995 --> 00:27:00,502 Prince Charles and Princess Diana came to the airport to meet him. 357 00:27:01,335 --> 00:27:03,766 They came striding towards him 358 00:27:03,836 --> 00:27:08,002 with their faces a kind of picture of sorrow and grief. 359 00:27:08,003 --> 00:27:11,023 Prince Charles puts his hand out to shake Armand Hammer's hand. 360 00:27:11,024 --> 00:27:13,628 He said, "You mustn't blame yourself." 361 00:27:17,588 --> 00:27:22,206 He got on the plane and Hammer called to the guys on the plane. 362 00:27:22,276 --> 00:27:24,810 He said, "Let's have champagne and caviar. 363 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,199 We've had a great day." 364 00:27:29,290 --> 00:27:33,319 So, to enlist Prince Charles as his supporter paid off. 365 00:27:41,236 --> 00:27:44,917 There were no direct consequences whatsoever 366 00:27:44,986 --> 00:27:47,903 uh, in terms of punishments for Armand Hammer 367 00:27:47,904 --> 00:27:49,188 or the board of Occidental. 368 00:27:50,508 --> 00:27:51,862 Nothing at all. 369 00:27:58,113 --> 00:28:01,862 Hammer took no interest whatsoever 370 00:28:01,864 --> 00:28:06,134 in the survivors or their families. 371 00:28:06,135 --> 00:28:08,218 The families of the dead. 372 00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:15,129 I go back every 10 years for the 10th anniversary 373 00:28:16,275 --> 00:28:21,796 memorial services and ceremonies around Piper Alpha. 374 00:28:22,699 --> 00:28:24,366 And you see there, 375 00:28:25,719 --> 00:28:27,005 um... 376 00:28:28,636 --> 00:28:31,485 children who didn't know their fathers. 377 00:28:31,554 --> 00:28:34,297 Grandchildren who didn't know their grandparents. 378 00:28:37,701 --> 00:28:41,450 There was no moral defense for what I'd done. 379 00:28:41,451 --> 00:28:45,304 After Piper Alpha, I decided to get out 380 00:28:45,305 --> 00:28:47,701 of my degrading position with Hammer 381 00:28:47,702 --> 00:28:49,994 as fast as I could. 382 00:28:57,703 --> 00:29:02,704 I think he was the most Satanic man of the second half of the 20th century 383 00:29:04,371 --> 00:29:10,238 In terms of corrupting the political process, 384 00:29:10,239 --> 00:29:15,414 in terms of controlling people and making them dance his tune, 385 00:29:16,663 --> 00:29:18,678 there is no comparison. 386 00:29:19,892 --> 00:29:23,886 Armand Hammer was the embodiment of sin 387 00:29:23,955 --> 00:29:27,290 because he was the embodiment of ruthless ego. 388 00:29:46,146 --> 00:29:50,625 After my grandfather died, I gave up my career, 389 00:29:50,626 --> 00:29:53,750 quit my job, came back to Los Angeles, 390 00:29:53,751 --> 00:29:55,731 and moved in with my father. 391 00:29:56,773 --> 00:29:59,479 My father was out of control. 392 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,641 He slowly started deteriorating. 393 00:30:02,711 --> 00:30:07,016 He would come downstairs and he was foaming at the mouth, 394 00:30:07,086 --> 00:30:11,358 which later I found out was meth and coke and all kinds of, just, drugs. 395 00:30:13,337 --> 00:30:16,913 He would be carrying a loaded .357 magnum. 396 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:22,087 He would wake me up with a gun barrel on my temple 397 00:30:22,088 --> 00:30:24,205 and make me open my eyes 398 00:30:24,206 --> 00:30:28,649 and say, "I need to look in your eyes to see if you're possessed. 399 00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:31,047 Because if you're possessed, I'm pulling the trigger." 400 00:30:35,214 --> 00:30:37,228 My father would have sane moments 401 00:30:37,298 --> 00:30:40,005 and then just totally volatile moments 402 00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:43,479 where he was going crazy and he wasn't getting help. 403 00:30:48,167 --> 00:30:50,944 And this went on for months. 404 00:30:50,945 --> 00:30:53,966 I just knew that I needed to get out of there. 405 00:30:53,967 --> 00:30:56,258 And so, I moved out. 406 00:30:56,259 --> 00:30:58,757 It was just a way to protect myself. 407 00:30:58,758 --> 00:31:01,362 Hi, Casey. Come on in. 408 00:31:01,363 --> 00:31:03,550 Watch your step. 409 00:31:03,551 --> 00:31:07,300 I tried to move forward and make a name for myself. 410 00:31:07,301 --> 00:31:09,906 Welcome to my home. 411 00:31:12,128 --> 00:31:16,191 A friend of mine was a producer for a local news station 412 00:31:16,261 --> 00:31:19,108 and she was doing a piece called Victim No More. 413 00:31:22,303 --> 00:31:24,109 I wanted to be an actress, so I was like, 414 00:31:24,178 --> 00:31:25,670 "Sure, you can film me." 415 00:31:25,671 --> 00:31:28,240 You can scream, Case. Whatever you want. 416 00:31:28,241 --> 00:31:29,318 Action. 417 00:31:30,325 --> 00:31:32,304 Someone came up from behind me... 418 00:31:34,527 --> 00:31:37,616 Get out of the car! 419 00:31:40,429 --> 00:31:43,034 Something visceral was happening in my body 420 00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:46,472 and I was so afraid that he was going to kill me or hurt me. 421 00:31:49,945 --> 00:31:52,861 Something took over inside of me 422 00:31:52,862 --> 00:31:55,013 and I hurt him. 423 00:31:55,014 --> 00:31:58,557 God dammit. 424 00:32:09,184 --> 00:32:11,579 I realized I needed help. 425 00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:16,579 So I went to a psychologist in Beverly Hills 426 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:20,261 and I remember walking in to his office 427 00:32:20,331 --> 00:32:22,517 and I said, "Hi, my name is Casey Hammer. 428 00:32:22,518 --> 00:32:24,287 My grandfather was Armand Hammer. 429 00:32:24,288 --> 00:32:25,435 And I'm really fucked up." 430 00:32:27,623 --> 00:32:30,124 And we started... 431 00:32:31,581 --> 00:32:35,228 And then the memories started happening when I was in therapy. 432 00:32:36,999 --> 00:32:38,979 The floodgates opened. 433 00:32:41,166 --> 00:32:45,541 I remembered one in particular incident where 434 00:32:45,542 --> 00:32:48,772 there was a lot of noise and partying going on. 435 00:32:50,681 --> 00:32:52,834 My brother was there as well. 436 00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:58,911 My father started shooting at the walls. 437 00:33:01,273 --> 00:33:05,787 And then my father was like, "Wait, I've got an idea." 438 00:33:05,856 --> 00:33:10,267 And said to me, "Casey, hold this phone book." 439 00:33:10,996 --> 00:33:14,016 And I did it thinking, 440 00:33:14,017 --> 00:33:16,413 "They're not going to shoot at me." 441 00:33:18,288 --> 00:33:21,414 So, the phone book was held up to the right of my head. 442 00:33:29,297 --> 00:33:30,790 I drop the phone book. 443 00:33:33,811 --> 00:33:36,728 I remember taking cover. 444 00:33:50,792 --> 00:33:53,882 I started remembering all the abuse. 445 00:33:55,133 --> 00:33:59,300 Being choked and suffocated. 446 00:34:02,634 --> 00:34:07,044 Then I thought, "Oh, this can't be. Something's weird." 447 00:34:07,114 --> 00:34:09,544 I remember talking to my mom 448 00:34:09,614 --> 00:34:14,649 and started saying to her what I was remembering 449 00:34:14,718 --> 00:34:18,468 and hoping she would tell me, "Oh, you're just crazy." 450 00:34:18,469 --> 00:34:20,900 But it turns out, she did know about it. 451 00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:23,990 And what I was remembering was actually happening. 452 00:34:25,345 --> 00:34:28,296 Things happened to me that 453 00:34:28,366 --> 00:34:30,588 shouldn't ever have happened to a child. 454 00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:44,340 Yes. And... 455 00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:48,681 That's all I've ever said. 456 00:34:50,278 --> 00:34:51,494 Because... 457 00:34:55,904 --> 00:34:58,717 Maybe he's the only person I want to see when, 458 00:34:58,786 --> 00:35:00,973 I don't even think he's in heaven, 459 00:35:00,974 --> 00:35:03,891 or on the other side or whatever you believe, but, 460 00:35:05,384 --> 00:35:10,385 and that's how I know that it's so deep and so... 461 00:35:11,947 --> 00:35:15,141 Like, I don't know if I'll ever be normal because 462 00:35:16,914 --> 00:35:20,455 the fact that I still think that he'll save me 463 00:35:20,456 --> 00:35:22,330 or be there for me. 464 00:35:23,894 --> 00:35:28,164 I found out what my father was doing 465 00:35:28,165 --> 00:35:31,012 and I never confronted him. 466 00:35:31,082 --> 00:35:35,560 Because I didn't want to hear him say the words. 467 00:35:35,562 --> 00:35:39,311 There's that hope that the person's going to change 468 00:35:39,312 --> 00:35:42,541 and that they didn't mean to hurt you. 469 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,305 My father ended up dying in '96, 470 00:35:48,306 --> 00:35:51,188 five years after my grandfather died. 471 00:35:52,264 --> 00:35:56,500 But, it's still so hard. 472 00:35:56,501 --> 00:35:59,729 Because you want to share your back story. 473 00:35:59,730 --> 00:36:01,848 You want to explain why you're fucked up. 474 00:36:01,849 --> 00:36:03,169 Why you're broken. 475 00:36:06,919 --> 00:36:11,850 The generation I grew up in, it was closed door. 476 00:36:13,691 --> 00:36:16,607 But, you know, it's a different time. 477 00:36:18,934 --> 00:36:21,815 That was my sentiment with Courtney. 478 00:36:21,816 --> 00:36:25,982 It's incredibly brave nowadays because 479 00:36:25,983 --> 00:36:29,872 not only are you traumatized from what he's done, 480 00:36:29,873 --> 00:36:35,081 but you're probably traumatized over and over and over. 481 00:36:35,082 --> 00:36:37,338 But he needs to be held accountable. 482 00:36:38,484 --> 00:36:41,124 And I hope she finds peace 483 00:36:41,194 --> 00:36:43,799 and whatever that means for her. 484 00:36:50,570 --> 00:36:52,584 I went to a residential rehab. 485 00:36:52,654 --> 00:36:55,674 It was based on, kind of, what you were struggling with. 486 00:36:55,675 --> 00:36:58,730 Which, they placed me in a trauma lodge. 487 00:36:59,946 --> 00:37:01,821 I had a specialty therapist. 488 00:37:03,383 --> 00:37:08,523 She was like, "What's the last time you felt really uncomfortable, 489 00:37:08,592 --> 00:37:10,676 really embarrassed, really afraid?" 490 00:37:12,448 --> 00:37:15,885 Then I went into that night. 491 00:37:18,594 --> 00:37:22,970 I remember the music that was playing really vividly. 492 00:37:24,637 --> 00:37:31,406 I remembered the feeling of the ropes on my wrists. 493 00:37:33,075 --> 00:37:36,235 It was just very surreal. 494 00:37:36,305 --> 00:37:39,845 I felt like I was, like, back in that room. 495 00:37:39,846 --> 00:37:42,485 Back in that moment. 496 00:37:46,306 --> 00:37:50,403 I got diagnosed with trauma and PTSD. 497 00:37:50,473 --> 00:37:53,215 My therapist said I had to repeat, 498 00:37:53,216 --> 00:37:57,139 "I was used, abused and abandoned." 499 00:37:57,140 --> 00:38:00,784 So, you're, like, trying to make sense of what happened. 500 00:38:00,786 --> 00:38:03,910 And that's what she had me repeat over and over. 501 00:38:03,911 --> 00:38:06,620 Like, "It's not your fault you feel this way." 502 00:38:06,621 --> 00:38:09,015 It really stuck with me. And it really made sense. 503 00:38:09,016 --> 00:38:10,682 That's truly what happened. 504 00:38:10,684 --> 00:38:15,369 I was used, abused, abandoned. Just discarded after, just, 505 00:38:15,371 --> 00:38:17,663 having my life turned inside out. 506 00:38:21,621 --> 00:38:24,468 Armie Hammer's ex-girlfriend, Courtney Vucekovich... 507 00:38:24,469 --> 00:38:26,934 Armie Hammer's public accounts are going viral. 508 00:38:26,935 --> 00:38:28,473 Courtney Vucekovich has come forward 509 00:38:28,498 --> 00:38:30,719 with claims against her ex, Armie Hammer. 510 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,907 When all this blew up, 511 00:38:32,908 --> 00:38:35,581 Paige messaged me on Instagram. 512 00:38:35,582 --> 00:38:37,909 I just sent her my phone number and she called me. 513 00:38:37,978 --> 00:38:41,034 The first thing she said was, "Why didn't you tell me?" 514 00:38:41,104 --> 00:38:44,124 And then she told me her story. 515 00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:48,604 It's like, holy shit. It is a copy-paste. 516 00:38:49,749 --> 00:38:53,604 It was the same road trip. The same motel. 517 00:38:53,605 --> 00:38:56,973 We wore the same cowboy hat in our pictures. 518 00:38:57,042 --> 00:39:01,208 We both watched that movie, the Secretary. 519 00:39:01,209 --> 00:39:04,751 I sent her the album that he played 520 00:39:04,752 --> 00:39:08,641 when he tied me up, traumatizing me. 521 00:39:08,711 --> 00:39:12,668 She goes, he played the same exact album to her. 522 00:39:12,669 --> 00:39:15,204 She was like, "Does he call you 'little thing'?" 523 00:39:15,274 --> 00:39:17,704 And I said, "Yeah, 'perfect little thing'?" 524 00:39:17,705 --> 00:39:19,000 She was like, "Yeah, 'perfect little thing.'" 525 00:39:19,025 --> 00:39:22,705 He says the same, he called us the same nicknames. 526 00:39:23,851 --> 00:39:26,211 She meet his mom. She went home with him. 527 00:39:26,212 --> 00:39:29,442 I mean, who just introduces everyone to their mom? 528 00:39:29,443 --> 00:39:30,668 They had known each other a month. 529 00:39:30,693 --> 00:39:32,879 I had meet her weeks prior. 530 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,692 We had the same relationship. 531 00:39:35,693 --> 00:39:39,964 And we'd almost guarantee there was another one that same day 532 00:39:39,965 --> 00:39:41,561 that he was going to do it again to. 533 00:39:41,562 --> 00:39:44,963 And he was going to continue this cycle, 534 00:39:44,964 --> 00:39:47,880 this destructive cycle, 535 00:39:47,881 --> 00:39:49,792 until he couldn't anymore. 536 00:39:55,278 --> 00:39:58,439 To Armie Hammer, and some good news for him, 537 00:39:58,507 --> 00:40:01,355 involving one of, uh, the allegations against him, 538 00:40:01,356 --> 00:40:08,300 an allegation of rape, is looking like that is not going to result in charges. 539 00:40:08,301 --> 00:40:11,634 It's a huge slap in the face to see something like this. 540 00:40:11,635 --> 00:40:14,552 I am in shock, but I'm not surprised. 541 00:40:15,628 --> 00:40:21,670 I can assure you that when TMZ made that report, 542 00:40:21,740 --> 00:40:25,281 the case had not yet been sent to the district attorney, 543 00:40:25,282 --> 00:40:27,886 let alone dropped. 544 00:40:27,887 --> 00:40:32,678 TMZ never even checked with me before they ran that story. 545 00:40:49,382 --> 00:40:52,195 It's a common PR tactic, quite frankly. 546 00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,452 It's like, "Okay, I'm going to own up to having a problem, 547 00:40:59,453 --> 00:41:01,328 so I'm going to try to rectify it." 548 00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:16,468 It seems Armie Hammer has quietly hired a new PR person. Hear me out. 549 00:41:16,537 --> 00:41:21,225 So, this was front page on the Daily Mail this morning on Snapchat. 550 00:41:21,226 --> 00:41:23,344 That his new girl, Lisa Perejma, 551 00:41:23,414 --> 00:41:25,324 has turned Armie Hammer's life around. 552 00:41:25,393 --> 00:41:27,720 The article says, "Armie's happier and healthier 553 00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:29,415 than I've ever seen him in a long time." 554 00:41:30,707 --> 00:41:33,309 I think rehab was his stepping stone, 555 00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:35,116 trying to rebrand his image. 556 00:41:44,284 --> 00:41:47,305 Of course, in the same week that Death on the Nile is coming out, 557 00:41:47,375 --> 00:41:49,562 an article saying that Armie's really done 558 00:41:49,563 --> 00:41:53,417 so much work in rehab came out right before the movie. 559 00:42:23,004 --> 00:42:25,503 "Cancel culture" is on people's tongues 560 00:42:25,504 --> 00:42:27,727 way more than "rape culture." 561 00:42:27,796 --> 00:42:30,607 And rape culture is a much bigger issue. 562 00:42:30,608 --> 00:42:34,256 And cancel culture wouldn't exist if rape culture wasn't such a big issue. 563 00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:55,647 I think at the end of the day, PR will win in this situation. 564 00:42:55,716 --> 00:42:58,007 Obviously, Hollywood is built on money. 565 00:42:58,008 --> 00:43:01,341 And, obviously, Armie comes from a family that was built on money. 566 00:43:01,342 --> 00:43:05,509 So, if Armie can find a way to make somebody money, 567 00:43:06,794 --> 00:43:09,675 then why couldn't he possibly work? 568 00:43:09,676 --> 00:43:13,320 I think that we all expect that he's not going to get in trouble. 569 00:43:13,321 --> 00:43:18,009 We all know there's no justice when it comes to people with this much power. 570 00:43:18,011 --> 00:43:19,781 I'm sure there are people, probably a lot of people, 571 00:43:19,782 --> 00:43:21,760 especially in this town, who look at who I am 572 00:43:21,761 --> 00:43:23,983 or, you know, sort of, my family and all that 573 00:43:24,053 --> 00:43:25,822 and say, "Well that's why he got the part." 574 00:43:25,823 --> 00:43:27,767 Generation to generation, 575 00:43:27,768 --> 00:43:31,276 they have had a history of just doing whatever they want and getting away with it 576 00:43:31,345 --> 00:43:35,303 because of the power and the money that they have. 577 00:43:35,304 --> 00:43:38,637 And that's pretty intimidating. 578 00:43:38,638 --> 00:43:41,344 Every generation, every period of humanity 579 00:43:41,346 --> 00:43:43,359 has always dealt with the same shit. 580 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,131 And we will always deal with the same shit, 581 00:43:45,201 --> 00:43:47,035 we just wear different clothes when we do it. 582 00:43:52,909 --> 00:43:56,139 I'm really grateful Armie and I didn't meet up. 583 00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:58,743 By the time that we got to January 584 00:43:58,744 --> 00:44:01,973 and I had seen that he had been doing this for years, 585 00:44:01,974 --> 00:44:04,995 that's when I realized how close to danger I really was. 586 00:44:06,662 --> 00:44:10,514 A lot of the press was just all about all of the roles he had lost 587 00:44:10,516 --> 00:44:12,912 and that was very frustrating to me. 588 00:44:12,913 --> 00:44:19,058 My intention was to bring back to the conversation 589 00:44:19,059 --> 00:44:23,747 the abuses that this person has inflicted. 590 00:44:25,969 --> 00:44:29,998 I felt like art was the way for me to speak to this issue. 591 00:44:35,623 --> 00:44:39,617 So I decided to make art pieces from my conversations with Armie. 592 00:44:40,416 --> 00:44:41,872 Going back into these messages 593 00:44:41,873 --> 00:44:43,540 was really something I had avoided. 594 00:44:43,541 --> 00:44:47,534 Um, but when I did, I did it from a place of power. 595 00:44:47,604 --> 00:44:50,556 The first two pieces that I made painted a good picture 596 00:44:50,625 --> 00:44:54,410 about the intersection between wealth, predation and the abuse of power. 597 00:44:55,312 --> 00:44:57,640 Here I posted this meme 598 00:44:57,709 --> 00:45:00,036 which is about the greatest wealth transfer 599 00:45:00,106 --> 00:45:01,980 that we've seen in the history of humankind. 600 00:45:01,981 --> 00:45:06,980 It says, "Trying to enjoy the weekend without fear of impending doom." 601 00:45:06,981 --> 00:45:09,412 This was in August of 2020, 602 00:45:09,482 --> 00:45:12,189 so this is still during the height of the pandemic. 603 00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:15,941 I said, "Eat the rich for real nom nom nom." 604 00:45:17,434 --> 00:45:20,524 And then Armie reacted to my story. 605 00:45:20,525 --> 00:45:23,372 Slid right in, "100 percent." 606 00:45:23,441 --> 00:45:25,455 Which is ironic because he comes from 607 00:45:25,524 --> 00:45:28,441 one of the wealthiest families on the plant. 608 00:45:28,442 --> 00:45:33,233 He said, "Dibs on the glute muscles and ribs for smoking." 609 00:45:33,234 --> 00:45:36,082 In light of everything that's come out since, 610 00:45:38,374 --> 00:45:40,005 I don't find that funny. 611 00:45:40,735 --> 00:45:43,999 And him mirroring my frustrations, 612 00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:46,777 is a way from him to say that he's just like me. 613 00:45:46,778 --> 00:45:48,547 It's a way to gain my trust. 614 00:45:48,548 --> 00:45:51,257 And it's a way for me to let my guard down. 615 00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:55,042 I'm quite vocal on my Instagram 616 00:45:55,112 --> 00:45:58,446 about my background of having grown up in foster care. 617 00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:04,069 I wouldn't be surprised if he read those things and thought, 618 00:46:04,070 --> 00:46:06,571 "Oh, okay, she's vulnerable." 619 00:46:06,572 --> 00:46:09,278 We spoke about my past history of abuse 620 00:46:09,279 --> 00:46:13,273 and he, um, very openly confided about, you know, 621 00:46:13,342 --> 00:46:16,399 almost getting into a fistfight with his father in the Islands. 622 00:46:18,274 --> 00:46:21,399 And his father, like, drinking and taking, like, 623 00:46:21,469 --> 00:46:23,552 Vicodin at the same time. 624 00:46:23,553 --> 00:46:25,046 He painted a pretty chaotic picture. 625 00:46:27,407 --> 00:46:30,948 But it wasn't coming from a place of good intention. 626 00:46:30,949 --> 00:46:33,901 It was coming from a place to manipulate 627 00:46:33,971 --> 00:46:37,720 and figure out what tools that then he could use 628 00:46:37,721 --> 00:46:39,735 to keep you under control 629 00:46:39,805 --> 00:46:42,027 or use them against you in the future. 630 00:46:44,631 --> 00:46:48,346 When I came forward about my experiences with him, 631 00:46:48,347 --> 00:46:49,847 there was a lot of online harassment. 632 00:46:51,368 --> 00:46:55,639 If you're just, like, some troll, like, in a dark room, 633 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,138 just, like, spewing hate towards other people who are 634 00:46:58,139 --> 00:47:00,153 actually doing shit with their lives, like, 635 00:47:00,154 --> 00:47:03,245 you know, I'm not going to let someone like that get to me. 636 00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:09,009 I went into this not understanding the fandom 637 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:10,780 that was Call Me By Your Name. 638 00:47:12,412 --> 00:47:16,788 But, the charmies are essentially superfans of Armie Hammer. 639 00:47:18,455 --> 00:47:20,329 The woman that have come forward, 640 00:47:20,330 --> 00:47:22,830 uh, they target in a very big way. 641 00:47:26,198 --> 00:47:27,657 Shame on them. 642 00:47:27,727 --> 00:47:30,537 If any of them would like to show their faces, 643 00:47:30,539 --> 00:47:32,380 I would love to know who you are. 644 00:47:33,908 --> 00:47:37,762 One of the hardest times of my life was that news coming out. 645 00:47:39,915 --> 00:47:43,180 I started getting harassed by his, like, die-hard fans. 646 00:47:49,222 --> 00:47:51,896 I mean, they really hit you where it hurts. 647 00:47:53,389 --> 00:47:57,417 I mean, they have endless chat rooms about, like, what to do to me. 648 00:47:57,418 --> 00:48:00,125 They would text my personal cell phone number. 649 00:48:00,126 --> 00:48:03,979 They would send me pictures of my high-rise 650 00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:05,785 apartment building that I lived in. 651 00:48:05,786 --> 00:48:07,523 They would send me death threats. 652 00:48:08,877 --> 00:48:10,751 I moved out of my apartment. 653 00:48:10,753 --> 00:48:14,537 I bought a house and I put cameras all over. 654 00:48:15,787 --> 00:48:19,225 The charmies made my life hell. 655 00:48:20,476 --> 00:48:22,212 They want me to break so bad. 656 00:48:29,852 --> 00:48:31,588 Fear is the weapon 657 00:48:32,664 --> 00:48:38,707 that keeps victims emotionally paralyzed. 658 00:48:38,777 --> 00:48:40,860 It's very hard. 659 00:48:42,006 --> 00:48:46,901 Because once the victim enters that dangerous world 660 00:48:46,903 --> 00:48:48,500 of the court of public opinion, 661 00:48:49,818 --> 00:48:53,673 there is generally going to be some backlash. 662 00:48:53,674 --> 00:48:57,944 But, they didn't expect how ugly it could be out there. 663 00:49:06,002 --> 00:49:07,922 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 664 00:49:07,947 --> 00:49:09,821 - Can I give you a hug? - Yes. Absolutely. 665 00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:11,800 - How are you? - I'm good. How are you? 666 00:49:11,801 --> 00:49:12,947 I'm okay. 667 00:49:18,503 --> 00:49:20,482 How are you handling everything? 668 00:49:21,733 --> 00:49:25,343 Um, it comes in waves, you know. 669 00:49:25,344 --> 00:49:30,031 I think I can say now that I'm out of it, looking back. 670 00:49:30,032 --> 00:49:32,844 - Mmm-hmm. - I'm a lot stronger than I was. 671 00:49:32,845 --> 00:49:36,943 And I've learned a lot from what I experienced. 672 00:49:37,012 --> 00:49:41,631 And I've learned a lot about how to avoid people like that. 673 00:49:41,699 --> 00:49:44,304 It's one of those things where it just continues 674 00:49:44,305 --> 00:49:45,970 until someone breaks the cycle. 675 00:49:45,971 --> 00:49:50,763 And it's so important for someone like you 676 00:49:50,764 --> 00:49:54,408 who's very intelligent, very successful, 677 00:49:54,409 --> 00:49:57,674 to let people know it can happen to anybody. 678 00:49:57,744 --> 00:49:59,132 It's so common. 679 00:49:59,133 --> 00:50:03,056 The way we grew up, it was very secretive in a sense, right? 680 00:50:03,057 --> 00:50:06,390 And now, for me, with social media, like, 681 00:50:06,391 --> 00:50:10,349 I can't even imagine when I see someone like you, 682 00:50:10,350 --> 00:50:12,259 up against this dynasty 683 00:50:15,037 --> 00:50:19,934 that have gotten away with this for so long. 684 00:50:22,885 --> 00:50:27,157 Before the internet, it was difficult for women 685 00:50:27,227 --> 00:50:30,351 who were used and abused to speak out. 686 00:50:30,352 --> 00:50:33,928 They felt silenced. And, in fact, they were silenced. 687 00:50:35,561 --> 00:50:38,059 Now, with the internet, many women 688 00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:43,372 refuse to suffer in silence and speak out 689 00:50:43,373 --> 00:50:47,646 against those who have used, abused and manipulated them. 690 00:50:48,896 --> 00:50:51,743 I hope that speaking out about the abuse I endured 691 00:50:51,813 --> 00:50:53,306 at the hands of Armie Hammer 692 00:50:53,375 --> 00:50:55,769 is that he will be held accountable. 693 00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:58,583 They want their voices to be heard. 694 00:50:58,584 --> 00:51:02,161 For many of them, they want to warn other women. 695 00:51:02,231 --> 00:51:05,286 They have the feeling that they can't undo 696 00:51:05,356 --> 00:51:07,333 the wrong that was done to them, 697 00:51:07,334 --> 00:51:11,120 but maybe they can protect someone else's daughter. 698 00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:14,141 That's why they speak out. 699 00:51:14,211 --> 00:51:17,962 While I say that these charmies were being horrible, 700 00:51:19,038 --> 00:51:22,649 I had thousands of people message me. 701 00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:23,898 Like, women that were like, 702 00:51:23,899 --> 00:51:26,643 "I've had this exact same thing happen." 703 00:51:28,379 --> 00:51:29,629 I mean, everybody was relating. 704 00:51:29,630 --> 00:51:33,727 It gives me chills because I got the saddest, most real, 705 00:51:33,797 --> 00:51:36,503 vulnerable messages of everyone being like, 706 00:51:36,504 --> 00:51:39,524 "I realize it's toxic. I'm getting out." 707 00:51:39,526 --> 00:51:43,692 I was willing to open up about it to help people 708 00:51:43,693 --> 00:51:46,089 avoid a situation like this. 709 00:51:46,090 --> 00:51:50,568 There was a thousand messages that were, like, 710 00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:52,445 "Okay, well, something good came out of this." 711 00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:58,148 You want people to be able to recognize these abusive patterns. 712 00:51:58,173 --> 00:52:02,028 I feel like, then it changes. Like, you feel good doing it 713 00:52:02,029 --> 00:52:03,417 because you're doing it for the right reasons 714 00:52:03,418 --> 00:52:05,918 and not because you're bitter or you're sad. 715 00:52:05,988 --> 00:52:07,030 Absolutely. 716 00:52:09,009 --> 00:52:11,509 So much of what Courtney echoes 717 00:52:12,758 --> 00:52:15,468 is what I still continue to struggle with. 718 00:52:16,302 --> 00:52:18,072 And mine was a long time ago. 719 00:52:20,051 --> 00:52:23,801 I was sent a letter recently by my brother. 720 00:52:23,802 --> 00:52:25,504 And it says, "Dear Casey, 721 00:52:25,574 --> 00:52:28,942 although we haven't spoken in many years, 722 00:52:29,011 --> 00:52:32,865 I heard the untrue and hurtful things 723 00:52:32,866 --> 00:52:36,095 you've recently said about our family. 724 00:52:36,096 --> 00:52:39,010 I can no longer remain quiet 725 00:52:39,012 --> 00:52:42,763 and allow you to feed your thirst 726 00:52:43,701 --> 00:52:47,763 for notoriety at the expense of our family 727 00:52:47,764 --> 00:52:50,819 and the Armand Hammer Foundation. 728 00:52:51,965 --> 00:52:55,159 If you chose to continue pretending 729 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,049 that the stories you have invented are the truth, 730 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:03,598 I will have no choice other than to pursue 731 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:07,973 every legal remedy to set the record straight. 732 00:53:09,155 --> 00:53:13,947 Despite all the pain your fabrications have caused, 733 00:53:14,017 --> 00:53:18,322 you share the blood running through my veins. 734 00:53:19,330 --> 00:53:21,760 You are still my family 735 00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:24,641 and I wish you nothing but the best. 736 00:53:24,642 --> 00:53:27,282 Very truly yours, Michael." 737 00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:34,678 My brother thinks he can silence me. 738 00:53:36,658 --> 00:53:39,748 The way my brother is intimidating me right now 739 00:53:39,749 --> 00:53:41,518 through that letter and those words, 740 00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,707 it's exactly what my grandfather would do. 741 00:53:45,513 --> 00:53:48,291 I've let the Hammers control me 742 00:53:49,645 --> 00:53:51,555 so much my whole life. 743 00:53:53,743 --> 00:53:55,827 It's time to stop. 744 00:53:56,834 --> 00:53:58,431 I refuse to be silenced. 57325

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