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My grandfather
lived in Holmby Hills,
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which is the neighborhood
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right between Wilshire
Boulevard and Sunset
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in Westwood.
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It's the elite of the elite.
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And now, we're gonna
come up on the right side,
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is my grandfather's house.
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There's his house,
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and we would park
right here in front,
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and then we would get
up and race up the stairs.
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And that front window
was Grandpa's office.
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As president
of Occidental Petroleum,
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Armand Hammer turned it
into the 11th largest oil company
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in the United States.
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The Hammer name
wielded a lot of prestige and power.
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And the two grandchildren,
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Michael and Casey,
would you please stand up?
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We were always hanging
out with royalty at these parties,
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and we would get training,
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and we would learn how
to address the royalty.
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It was just this kind
of secret society,
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kind of inner
circle of the elite.
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How on Earth do they expect us
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to get anything done
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without money?
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People were so
curious about that lifestyle,
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about all that wealth.
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On the outside, we
were a perfect family.
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- Hi, Casey!
- Come on in.
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Watch your step.
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But beneath it all was
a dark world of deceit,
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betrayal, and corruption...
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and that's why I'm
coming forward now.
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It's time to stop the cycle.
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So, this is a picture
of the Hammer family,
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and there's my father, Julian.
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I'm standing behind him.
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You have my brother, Michael,
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and then, in the
center of the shot
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is my grandfather,
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and he's holding Armie.
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How did Armie Hammer
go from Hollywood golden boy
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to an alleged abuser
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in the space of one
evening in January?
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When all this
came out about Armie,
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I was not shocked.
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Sexually graphic texts and DMs
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of dominating, BDSM,
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and even cannibalism
began trending.
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This behavior, it's deep-rooted.
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My father, Julian Hammer,
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is Armie's grandfather.
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When my mother met my father,
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they ended up in Tijuana,
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drunk on the back
of a motorcycle,
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and getting married.
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And my mother had no idea
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that my father was
Armand Hammer's son.
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Had no idea about the wealth,
had no idea about any of it.
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And then, when my
father got married,
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my grandfather decided
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that my father needed
to be responsible
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now that he had a wife.
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I was born in 1960.
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We moved to Pacific Palisades,
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which was near the
coast in California.
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But my father was such a mess.
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He was always drunk,
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and you just never knew
what kind of condition he was in.
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There was a lot going
on behind closed doors.
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Christmases were probably
my favorite time of year.
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It was a big deal.
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It was like a department store.
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We all got piles and piles
of Christmas presents.
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That's my brother, Michael,
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Armie's father...
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and there he is,
riding a little motorcycle.
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I should be somewhere in there.
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I remember one year,
it was Christmas Eve.
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I was young, maybe five,
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and I still believed
in Santa Claus.
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After I had gone to bed,
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I heard screaming.
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My father and
mother were fighting,
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and he was
threatening to kill her.
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My father slapped
my mom really hard,
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and I just remember
seeing blood splatter.
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She made me go back to my room
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and told me that everything
was gonna be okay,
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and if I didn't
go right to sleep,
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Santa Claus wasn't gonna come.
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As a little girl,
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when you're seeing your
mom get beat up by your father,
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and blood running down
the front of her body,
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and her screaming,
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you don't really understand
what's happening.
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I can't tell you how many times
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I would get under my
covers as a little girl
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and put my fingers
in my ears and sing...
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because I didn't
wanna hear the noise.
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I didn't wanna hear
the screaming...
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because you can't make it stop.
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As we got older, my father...
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He just got worse
and worse and worse.
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In the middle of the night,
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my mom would collect me,
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and we would grab what we could
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and get in the car
and drive down the hill
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and go to a motel...
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and wait until
the sun came up...
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until my father cooled down,
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and then we would
go back to the house.
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That happened a lot.
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It always escalated.
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You didn't know what
was gonna happen next.
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My mom had been
threatening to leave.
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But my grandfather always said,
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"If you leave my son,
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I'll ruin you and make
your life miserable,"
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and, you know,
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"You won't have a penny."
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My grandfather had very
powerful attorneys back then.
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The public persona turned into,
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"I can take everything
away from you
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with one stroke of the pen."
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So it was a frightening,
scary energy
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that my grandfather had.
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The Hammer family
name had to be pristine.
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You couldn't be the
reason for the black mark.
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While my grandfather was alive,
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you played by his
rules, or you got cut off.
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We were taught that Big
Brother's always watching.
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You can't get away from it.
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My grandfather had files on anybody
you dated or any of your friends.
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You would
pick up your phone to talk to someone,
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and you would hear a click,
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and you knew you
were being recorded.
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You didn't make a move
without thinking about,
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"What if Grandpa finds out?"
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Casey's
grandfather controlled his family.
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He controlled everything.
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That has to be scary,
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to know that there are people
watching you all the time.
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"Walk the straight and narrow.
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I see you.
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You don't see
me, but I see you."
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I like to say that our
lives were like a chessboard,
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and my grandfather basically
controlled all the moves.
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But I had no idea
about half of the things
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my grandfather did
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and how powerful he really was.
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Well, look who is here.
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He happens to be
president and CEO
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of Occidental Petroleum
in Los Angeles.
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Maybe I should say he is also one
of the wealthiest men in the world.
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Please welcome
Dr. Armand Hammer.
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My grandfather
built an oil empire
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that up until his death
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was, I believe, the 16th
largest company in the world.
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Well, that's a pretty
good hand for a rich guy.
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Everything he
touched turned to gold.
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I worked for
Armand Hammer from 1986 to 1989
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as one of his political
and media consultants.
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And I saw him exercise
access around the world
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which was unparalleled
for a private individual.
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He could, at will,
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enter the Kremlin.
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I help him, he helps me.
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It is mutual.
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We do not discuss
secrets, just business.
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Buckingham
Palace, the White House...
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They were all at his disposal
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and at his bidding.
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- Mr. Hammer?
- Yes?
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Oh, this
is the President, how are you?
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Oh, hello, President
Kennedy, I'm glad to hear from you again.
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I remember once
asking my grandfather
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why he wasn't President
of the United States,
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and he laughed and said
there wasn't enough power in it.
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I mean, even now,
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people are still so fascinated.
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This stuff didn't
start with Armie.
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He is the great-grandson
of Armand Hammer,
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an oil tycoon whose son, Julian,
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who would be Armie's
grandfather, was insane.
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He beat the living
daylights out of his wife...
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I was definitely
pulling in eyeballs,
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like, just by sharing the
things that I was looking into.
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I had so many tips coming in,
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and it wasn't just
tips about Armie.
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It was just tips about
the whole family.
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By virtue of sharing the story,
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Candice and I found
each other on Instagram,
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and we started
talking about the case.
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I didn't even know who
Armand Hammer was,
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and looking into
him and his son,
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and his son after that,
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and then Armie,
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it was so many people in this
family that had a sort of history.
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People were
absolutely dumbfounded.
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What are the odds
that there would be
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so many generations of a family
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behaving so badly?
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What became
readily apparent to us
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was that there was still
a lot of things to uncover.
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My mom had always said that she
stayed with my father as long as she did
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because of my grandfather.
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So, it was a never-ending
cycle for a very long time.
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But then finally, I was
11, and she'd had enough,
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and we went down
the street to the motel...
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and this time,
we didn't go back.
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When my parents got divorced,
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my grandfather kept to his word,
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and my father destroyed
my mother in court.
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My father ended
up only paying, like,
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$200 a month's child support.
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My mom said that the
biggest regret of her life
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was letting Michael decide
to stay with my father.
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It was a while before my mother
let me go down and visit my father.
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I just remember,
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it was the house I grew up in,
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so it was familiar,
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but yet, there
were tons of people.
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It was a lot of drinking...
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a lot of smoke-filled rooms,
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a lot of screaming,
a lot of loud music...
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a lot of drugs.
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He always had, like, 16
or 17-year-old girls around,
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not much older than I was,
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five or six years older,
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and he called them
his "housekeepers."
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It was code for his girlfriends.
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I believe it was...
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sexual, in a sense
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where they were usually
sitting on each other's laps
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or kissing or
fondling each other.
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It was almost like giant orgies.
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Michael, my brother, would
bring his friends up to party,
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and they would
hit on them, as well.
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The drugs were free-flowing,
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so it was a very
free atmosphere.
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Casey was one
of my best friends.
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I don't remember
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when the first time
I met Mike was,
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but he was always around.
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Casey and I would
go to Julian's,
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her father's house.
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As you walk in,
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there was a big bowl of cocaine
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and a very, kind of,
"help yourself" attitude.
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It was an environment
where old men
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and young girls
and cocaine, and...
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It was shocking.
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Your parents aren't
supposed to do that.
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One time at a party,
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I had come out of my
bedroom the next morning,
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and everyone was
passed out all over the floor.
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I remember walking by the couch,
259
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and there were polaroid pictures
of one of my father's housekeepers,
260
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and at the time, I thought
she was eating an ice cream,
261
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because that's what you
did when you were little.
262
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I kept looking at the pictures
263
00:15:38,625 --> 00:15:41,055
trying to figure out
what was happening,
264
00:15:41,124 --> 00:15:45,393
and that's how I realized
that it wasn't an ice cream,
265
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that it was attached to a man.
266
00:15:51,887 --> 00:15:53,310
One of the pictures,
267
00:15:53,311 --> 00:15:56,573
in the background was
this figure in the corner,
268
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in a chair, watching.
269
00:16:01,331 --> 00:16:03,761
I recognized that
that was my father.
270
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Being born in that family
271
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and watching the behavior,
272
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it was my normal.
273
00:16:14,038 --> 00:16:17,891
I mean, how do you know it's
wrong when that's all you know?
274
00:16:17,892 --> 00:16:20,739
So, when my father
and my brother
275
00:16:20,808 --> 00:16:24,349
surrounded themselves with
young, impressionable women
276
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that would basically do
anything that they asked...
277
00:16:27,579 --> 00:16:30,078
that was the mentality I saw.
278
00:16:31,329 --> 00:16:33,724
Women were disposable
in the Hammer family.
279
00:16:49,695 --> 00:16:52,784
So, I had to move rooms.
280
00:16:52,785 --> 00:16:54,278
They had to move my room
281
00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:56,220
'cause of some, like, noise
complaints or something.
282
00:16:56,221 --> 00:16:59,764
I think they said it was 417.
283
00:17:01,256 --> 00:17:02,819
Oh, here it is.
284
00:17:04,589 --> 00:17:08,095
A major
news publication posted a video,
285
00:17:08,096 --> 00:17:11,671
and it showed Armie
holding his phone,
286
00:17:11,672 --> 00:17:12,991
walking into his room.
287
00:17:12,992 --> 00:17:15,596
All right, so far, so good.
288
00:17:16,844 --> 00:17:18,962
Uh, that bed looks pretty comfy.
289
00:17:18,963 --> 00:17:23,719
He just glosses over
a woman on all fours in lingerie
290
00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,218
and goes out and
shows out the balcony.
291
00:17:26,219 --> 00:17:28,093
Yeah, boy!
292
00:17:28,095 --> 00:17:29,691
It's like, "Look how
much power I have.
293
00:17:29,761 --> 00:17:32,087
I have a lady just
sitting right here,
294
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waiting for me to do
whatever I ask her to
295
00:17:34,969 --> 00:17:36,322
and she's staying quiet."
296
00:17:42,294 --> 00:17:46,216
I was getting
information via DMs
297
00:17:46,217 --> 00:17:48,717
saying that this is
his Finsta account,
298
00:17:48,718 --> 00:17:50,419
"el-_destructo-_86."
299
00:17:51,634 --> 00:17:54,548
Finsta just means
"fake Instagram."
300
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:56,527
and these are often
used by celebrities
301
00:17:56,528 --> 00:17:57,814
that have a private account
302
00:17:57,884 --> 00:17:59,238
separate from their public ones.
303
00:18:00,591 --> 00:18:02,257
On this private
Instagram account,
304
00:18:02,258 --> 00:18:04,792
he basically posted
anything he wanted.
305
00:18:04,861 --> 00:18:07,813
Where his public
one was very curated,
306
00:18:07,882 --> 00:18:10,729
this one, he was posting videos
307
00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:13,297
of him engaging
in sexual things,
308
00:18:13,298 --> 00:18:14,791
him doing drugs.
309
00:18:16,770 --> 00:18:18,749
It was pretty wild.
310
00:18:19,999 --> 00:18:22,464
He really wasn't hiding
what he was doing.
311
00:18:24,651 --> 00:18:28,019
He had posted a
picture of him on the toilet
312
00:18:28,089 --> 00:18:30,171
with a drug test, saying,
313
00:18:30,172 --> 00:18:34,962
"All negative. My body is a finely
tuned toxicant processing unit."
314
00:18:34,963 --> 00:18:39,546
Indicating that he definitely took
drugs and he passed a drug test.
315
00:18:39,547 --> 00:18:40,901
Shit's getting weird.
316
00:18:45,587 --> 00:18:46,628
More, one more.
317
00:18:48,817 --> 00:18:51,662
Yep, got it all.
318
00:18:51,663 --> 00:18:56,419
It's just such a reflection of how
above the law this man thinks he is,
319
00:18:56,420 --> 00:18:59,440
that he is not only
in a car taking drugs
320
00:18:59,441 --> 00:19:00,691
and drinking while driving,
321
00:19:01,350 --> 00:19:02,773
but videotaping it...
322
00:19:04,335 --> 00:19:06,209
and posting it,
323
00:19:06,210 --> 00:19:09,543
because he thinks it's
cool to show his friends.
324
00:19:11,002 --> 00:19:12,148
Ah.
325
00:19:13,953 --> 00:19:15,897
It seems like each generation
326
00:19:15,898 --> 00:19:19,577
was impacted with
a number of women
327
00:19:19,647 --> 00:19:22,286
who had been wronged
by the Hammer family.
328
00:19:22,355 --> 00:19:25,583
Armie, looking
up here. Right here, over here for me.
329
00:19:25,584 --> 00:19:28,291
It's hard to imagine
one person behaving that badly.
330
00:19:32,042 --> 00:19:34,292
To hear that it's been going
on for so many generations
331
00:19:34,332 --> 00:19:35,722
is kind of unimaginable.
332
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:46,934
There we go.
333
00:19:46,936 --> 00:19:49,019
My name is Edward Jay Epstein.
334
00:19:49,783 --> 00:19:50,825
Everything okay?
335
00:19:52,353 --> 00:19:57,074
In 1980, The New
York Times came to me
336
00:19:57,144 --> 00:20:00,302
and asked if I wanted to write
a profile on Armand Hammer,
337
00:20:00,303 --> 00:20:01,345
so I did.
338
00:20:02,699 --> 00:20:06,136
I began traveling
with Armand Hammer.
339
00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:08,635
I went all over
the world with him,
340
00:20:08,636 --> 00:20:10,268
got to know him pretty well.
341
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,683
One of the things that
intrigued me about Hammer
342
00:20:15,684 --> 00:20:17,558
was that his public persona
343
00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:21,725
was purposely divorced
from his private activities.
344
00:20:24,746 --> 00:20:29,224
Armand controlled
everyone, including women,
345
00:20:29,225 --> 00:20:32,591
and Hammer in his
life had three marriages.
346
00:20:32,592 --> 00:20:35,404
Well, you haven't been
unlucky in love then?
347
00:20:35,474 --> 00:20:39,117
The first was
in Russia with Olga.
348
00:20:39,118 --> 00:20:40,889
She wanted a career in Hollywood
349
00:20:40,890 --> 00:20:42,556
and I was here in New York.
350
00:20:42,557 --> 00:20:43,807
It didn't last.
351
00:20:44,432 --> 00:20:45,473
We were divorced.
352
00:20:46,757 --> 00:20:49,533
The second was with Angela...
353
00:20:49,534 --> 00:20:52,138
Unfortunately,
she was an alcoholic,
354
00:20:52,139 --> 00:20:54,741
and after ten years
of putting up with her,
355
00:20:54,742 --> 00:20:55,784
I divorced her.
356
00:20:57,035 --> 00:20:59,256
Armand's wife, Angela...
357
00:21:00,992 --> 00:21:05,506
in her divorce
testimony, she said that he,
358
00:21:05,576 --> 00:21:09,776
"willfully, maliciously, and deliberately
pursued a course of conduct,
359
00:21:09,846 --> 00:21:13,838
employed techniques,
tactics and practices
360
00:21:13,908 --> 00:21:18,524
calculated and designed
to destroy her will.
361
00:21:18,525 --> 00:21:21,822
He threatened her with serious
bodily violence and injury,
362
00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:25,989
and to beat her brains out
by brandishing a metal pipe.
363
00:21:29,219 --> 00:21:31,196
'I feared my husband.
364
00:21:31,197 --> 00:21:34,948
He is a master of
psychological warfare.'"
365
00:21:38,698 --> 00:21:40,362
My present wife, Frances,
366
00:21:40,363 --> 00:21:43,280
we've been married 31
years and this is the happiest...
367
00:21:43,281 --> 00:21:45,050
31 years of my life.
368
00:21:45,051 --> 00:21:46,551
Well, what's the
moral of this story?
369
00:21:47,585 --> 00:21:49,564
Well, we must never give up.
370
00:21:53,835 --> 00:21:57,689
Armand Hammer
considered his relations with women
371
00:21:57,758 --> 00:22:00,570
as a means of getting something.
372
00:22:00,571 --> 00:22:02,758
They served a purpose to him.
373
00:22:03,522 --> 00:22:05,987
He married Frances
for her money.
374
00:22:07,548 --> 00:22:09,840
She gave him the
money that allowed him
375
00:22:09,841 --> 00:22:13,069
to go into the oil
business in a big way.
376
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:16,020
Dr. Armand Hammer
and his third wife, Frances,
377
00:22:16,090 --> 00:22:17,963
took a $100,000 gamble
378
00:22:17,964 --> 00:22:20,603
when they invested in
Occidental Petroleum,
379
00:22:20,673 --> 00:22:22,652
a small and
struggling oil company.
380
00:22:24,631 --> 00:22:27,165
As far as the
public was concerned,
381
00:22:27,234 --> 00:22:30,984
Armand did not have
extra-marital relationships.
382
00:22:30,985 --> 00:22:33,275
But in truth, he
always had mistresses,
383
00:22:33,276 --> 00:22:35,359
and he always womanized.
384
00:22:37,650 --> 00:22:41,609
He looked for young women
who he could control completely.
385
00:22:43,484 --> 00:22:45,774
You have this page,
386
00:22:45,775 --> 00:22:48,145
you got a lot of pictures of
the different women in his life,
387
00:22:48,170 --> 00:22:50,670
but this page, I wanna
show the picture up here.
388
00:22:50,671 --> 00:22:52,857
That's a woman named
Martha Kauffman...
389
00:22:52,858 --> 00:22:54,418
It was Martha Kauffman, yes.
390
00:22:54,419 --> 00:22:57,961
- But down here, the same woman is Hilary Gibson...
- Right.
391
00:22:57,962 --> 00:23:00,564
Who are these two people?
Are they the same person?
392
00:23:01,399 --> 00:23:04,141
I interviewed Martha Kauffman
393
00:23:04,211 --> 00:23:06,085
also known as Hilary Gibson,
394
00:23:06,086 --> 00:23:08,412
one of Hammer's mistresses.
395
00:23:08,481 --> 00:23:12,334
She told me that his
wife, Frances, found out
396
00:23:12,335 --> 00:23:15,703
she was having a
liaison with her husband.
397
00:23:15,773 --> 00:23:19,416
Frances laid down
the law and said,
398
00:23:19,417 --> 00:23:21,015
"you have to get
rid of this woman."
399
00:23:21,085 --> 00:23:23,792
So, rather than
give up his mistress,
400
00:23:23,793 --> 00:23:28,375
he found a solution that was typical
to the kinds of solutions he found.
401
00:23:28,376 --> 00:23:32,020
He had Martha Kauffman
change her name.
402
00:23:32,785 --> 00:23:33,895
Hilary Gibson.
403
00:23:35,284 --> 00:23:37,853
Wear a white wig...
404
00:23:37,854 --> 00:23:41,534
and pretended to his wife
that she was a different woman.
405
00:23:41,604 --> 00:23:43,937
And Frances,
his wife never figured it out?
406
00:23:43,999 --> 00:23:45,318
No.
407
00:23:46,916 --> 00:23:50,663
What he demanded was
control of every part of her life
408
00:23:50,664 --> 00:23:51,915
including her identity.
409
00:23:53,095 --> 00:23:56,080
It was all in his nature
410
00:23:56,082 --> 00:23:59,865
of a man who totally
wanted to control
411
00:23:59,866 --> 00:24:03,511
a woman that he
viewed as a object
412
00:24:03,581 --> 00:24:06,115
not as a human being.
413
00:24:09,761 --> 00:24:12,469
"Martha Kauffman,
Armand's mistress,
414
00:24:12,537 --> 00:24:16,010
had to be available to meet
his schedule at short notice.
415
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,932
He gave her two beepers
to alert her to his calls.
416
00:24:19,933 --> 00:24:22,884
He prohibited her
from seeing other men,
417
00:24:22,953 --> 00:24:26,703
and to make sure of her
whereabouts in Los Angeles,
418
00:24:26,704 --> 00:24:30,347
he had a homing
device installed in her car
419
00:24:30,348 --> 00:24:32,259
and a tap placed on her phone."
420
00:24:32,327 --> 00:24:34,409
He had my location
on his phone...
421
00:24:34,410 --> 00:24:36,807
"He also controlled
her vacation schedule.
422
00:24:38,057 --> 00:24:41,910
She had to submit
to his sexual demands
423
00:24:41,911 --> 00:24:46,180
even when she considered
them extremely humiliating."
424
00:24:46,181 --> 00:24:49,236
something is very
degrading, very belittling...
425
00:24:49,306 --> 00:24:51,215
Unfortunately, not shocked.
426
00:24:51,285 --> 00:24:54,027
This is exactly
the kind of things...
427
00:24:55,069 --> 00:24:56,701
I experienced. This is...
428
00:24:59,618 --> 00:25:00,798
extremely humiliating.
429
00:25:02,568 --> 00:25:03,679
I resonate with that.
430
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:09,339
Armie is so consuming.
431
00:25:10,797 --> 00:25:12,130
He does whatever
he wants, but...
432
00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:15,692
you're his.
433
00:25:15,762 --> 00:25:17,533
Completely.
434
00:25:29,823 --> 00:25:33,191
I kept looking more into
the archives of newspaper articles
435
00:25:33,261 --> 00:25:37,773
trying to find more content
relating to the overlaps
436
00:25:37,774 --> 00:25:39,857
and parallels between
each generation.
437
00:25:42,044 --> 00:25:43,988
"Son of Armand Hammer Seized.
438
00:25:43,989 --> 00:25:48,361
Julian Hammer, 47-year-old son
of industrialist Armand Hammer
439
00:25:48,362 --> 00:25:51,627
was arrested at his Pacific
Palisades home Thursday night
440
00:25:51,696 --> 00:25:55,584
for allegedly threatening a
man in his home with a shotgun.
441
00:25:55,585 --> 00:25:58,708
Hammer brandished the
weapon after returning home
442
00:25:58,709 --> 00:26:02,667
and finding 19-year-old Gary
Bowers there with Cathe Boal, 28.
443
00:26:02,737 --> 00:26:05,271
Hammer reportedly
said to Bowers,
444
00:26:05,341 --> 00:26:08,500
'hold it, take another step
and I'll blow you apart.'"
445
00:26:16,694 --> 00:26:17,839
Stop!
446
00:26:24,922 --> 00:26:27,144
You're welcome and
Casey's welcome.
447
00:26:27,214 --> 00:26:29,506
I'm doing this for Casey.
448
00:26:32,213 --> 00:26:35,650
I met Julian Hammer
in the mid-70s.
449
00:26:35,651 --> 00:26:38,879
He needed someone to
come and clean the house
450
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,859
and he offered me the job.
451
00:26:42,005 --> 00:26:43,982
I had just had a child,
452
00:26:43,984 --> 00:26:45,857
so I was able to
bring my son up there
453
00:26:45,858 --> 00:26:48,080
while I was cleaning the house.
454
00:26:52,871 --> 00:26:56,586
The first day I came to work,
there was a big party going on.
455
00:26:56,587 --> 00:26:58,043
It was a gambling party,
456
00:26:58,044 --> 00:27:00,127
it had been going on for
a couple days, apparently.
457
00:27:01,273 --> 00:27:04,849
Everybody in Pacific
Palisades that lived there
458
00:27:04,919 --> 00:27:06,169
knew about Julian.
459
00:27:10,057 --> 00:27:13,771
He was always in really nice
pajamas and a beautiful robe
460
00:27:13,772 --> 00:27:15,369
and slippers and stuff.
461
00:27:15,439 --> 00:27:16,896
That's how he entertained.
462
00:27:18,460 --> 00:27:22,834
Because he was the Hugh
Hefner of Pacific Palisades.
463
00:27:25,022 --> 00:27:28,874
As days went on, he started
kinda opening up to me
464
00:27:28,875 --> 00:27:33,597
about the real him
instead of being the phony
465
00:27:33,666 --> 00:27:37,034
with all of the people coming
up and partying and stuff.
466
00:27:39,013 --> 00:27:42,866
He was a real charmer,
he knew how to get his way,
467
00:27:42,867 --> 00:27:46,512
and he was just suave, you
know, when he wanted to be.
468
00:27:48,491 --> 00:27:51,200
As time went on we
just got real close.
469
00:27:53,769 --> 00:27:55,470
When my son was nine months old,
470
00:27:55,539 --> 00:27:59,428
Julian convinced me that I
should leave my husband.
471
00:27:59,497 --> 00:28:03,455
We had probably been seeing
each other around six months or so
472
00:28:03,456 --> 00:28:06,268
and we, um, got engaged.
473
00:28:07,761 --> 00:28:11,614
He seemed to be more
possessive as time went on.
474
00:28:11,684 --> 00:28:13,351
He didn't want me
to have any friends.
475
00:28:14,010 --> 00:28:15,745
Just him.
476
00:28:15,746 --> 00:28:19,530
I was naive, really, I
guess you might say,
477
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,447
but I thought if I could
give him enough love
478
00:28:22,516 --> 00:28:24,598
that maybe I could change him.
479
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,681
Which, of course, you
don't change anybody,
480
00:28:26,682 --> 00:28:28,211
but I didn't know that then.
481
00:28:40,049 --> 00:28:44,388
One night, I convinced him that
it was time for him to take me out.
482
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:48,278
And after we had dinner,
he wanted to stop at a bar.
483
00:28:52,617 --> 00:28:55,949
Julian started hanging
around with the guys in there
484
00:28:55,950 --> 00:28:58,867
and kind of flirting
around with the guys.
485
00:29:00,326 --> 00:29:02,339
I got jealous, I
didn't like the idea
486
00:29:02,409 --> 00:29:03,970
that he's flirting
with these guys.
487
00:29:03,971 --> 00:29:06,887
"Why aren't you flirting with me?
Why are you flirting with these guys?"
488
00:29:06,888 --> 00:29:10,255
Then I started realizing
it was a gay bar.
489
00:29:14,179 --> 00:29:15,880
He did not want to leave.
490
00:29:17,408 --> 00:29:20,947
I just got so upset, I
just walked out of the bar,
491
00:29:20,948 --> 00:29:23,240
walked across the
street, put my thumb out.
492
00:29:27,025 --> 00:29:28,551
Within, like, five minutes,
493
00:29:28,553 --> 00:29:30,774
this really nice guy pulled over
494
00:29:30,844 --> 00:29:33,239
and he took me
to Julian's house.
495
00:29:34,802 --> 00:29:38,065
And as he started to
leave, Julian pulled up.
496
00:29:39,281 --> 00:29:41,467
And that's when
everything escalated
497
00:29:41,468 --> 00:29:43,863
'cause Julian saw
him at the door...
498
00:29:45,426 --> 00:29:49,384
and got upset that a
man had brought me home.
499
00:29:51,814 --> 00:29:54,277
The go-to was always a gun.
500
00:29:54,278 --> 00:29:56,605
That was his thing when
he got mad like a little baby.
501
00:29:56,675 --> 00:29:59,313
"I'm gonna go get my gun
and I'm gonna shoot you."
502
00:30:00,216 --> 00:30:02,091
That was his way to get control.
503
00:30:07,229 --> 00:30:08,756
Oh, boy.
504
00:30:09,937 --> 00:30:13,963
"Julian Hammer, 47, son of
industrialist Armand Hammer,
505
00:30:13,964 --> 00:30:17,714
was arrested on suspicion of
assault with a deadly weapon
506
00:30:17,715 --> 00:30:20,562
and released on a $1,000 bail."
507
00:30:21,811 --> 00:30:24,588
Somehow or another I
always would give into him
508
00:30:24,589 --> 00:30:27,714
thinking, "all right, this time it'll
be better, this time it'll be better."
509
00:30:28,582 --> 00:30:29,797
Unfortunately, it never was.
510
00:30:32,401 --> 00:30:35,108
Few days later, we
got in an argument,
511
00:30:35,109 --> 00:30:36,982
and I saw the gun in
his hand and I just said,
512
00:30:36,983 --> 00:30:39,691
"you are not gonna
pull that gun out on me,
513
00:30:39,692 --> 00:30:41,148
you're not gonna
point it at me,"
514
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:42,817
and that's when I
went for the gun.
515
00:30:45,211 --> 00:30:46,357
The gun went off.
516
00:30:47,434 --> 00:30:50,107
My nine-month-old son
was in the same room.
517
00:30:50,108 --> 00:30:52,330
He was only a few feet away,
518
00:30:52,398 --> 00:30:55,003
and so it could have ricocheted
and hit him and killed him.
519
00:30:57,191 --> 00:31:00,003
So, that was it, I left,
that was it, it was over.
520
00:31:01,461 --> 00:31:03,232
There's no consequence.
521
00:31:04,412 --> 00:31:06,391
Well, what message
are you sending?
522
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:12,120
"So what? What's gonna
happen to me? I'm a Hammer."
523
00:31:13,648 --> 00:31:15,938
Nothing ever happened to Julian
524
00:31:15,939 --> 00:31:19,897
because Armand Hammer had
the money to make it go away.
525
00:31:22,084 --> 00:31:24,417
Bottom line, he
could do whatever he wanted.
526
00:31:24,618 --> 00:31:26,181
He could get away with murder.
527
00:31:27,431 --> 00:31:28,889
And he did.
528
00:31:38,263 --> 00:31:40,207
Armie Hammer's
great grandfather, Julian,
529
00:31:40,208 --> 00:31:43,123
was arrested for
manslaughter in 1955.
530
00:31:43,124 --> 00:31:46,248
His old friend, Bruce, came
to LA to celebrate his birthday,
531
00:31:46,249 --> 00:31:49,200
and reminded him that
Julian owed him $400,
532
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:51,456
and then Julian
shot him two times.
533
00:31:51,457 --> 00:31:54,373
This all happened when Sue was
pregnant with Armie's father, Michael.
534
00:31:56,491 --> 00:31:59,373
The story that he
told us was self-defense,
535
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,642
but my mom was
very quick to tell me,
536
00:32:03,643 --> 00:32:06,281
"no, your father just murdered
someone in cold blood."
537
00:32:08,122 --> 00:32:10,100
Armand Hammer got a phone call
538
00:32:10,101 --> 00:32:12,218
saying that his son
had just shot someone.
539
00:32:12,913 --> 00:32:14,996
And so, to save not his son,
540
00:32:15,864 --> 00:32:18,016
but to save his
own reputation...
541
00:32:19,475 --> 00:32:24,578
he actually delivered
$50,000 in cash to his lawyer,
542
00:32:24,579 --> 00:32:28,467
basically quashing the
charges against his son,
543
00:32:28,537 --> 00:32:31,245
stopping his son from
going to prison for murder.
544
00:32:33,467 --> 00:32:35,827
And he didn't even
seem like he was really bothered
545
00:32:35,828 --> 00:32:39,508
in that he shot his friend
over the gambling debt.
546
00:32:39,578 --> 00:32:42,424
He talked to me just
nonchalant about it.
547
00:32:42,494 --> 00:32:44,887
You could get away
with murder, you could do anything.
548
00:32:44,889 --> 00:32:47,493
There was no accountability.
549
00:32:50,444 --> 00:32:52,527
Each generation,
550
00:32:52,597 --> 00:32:55,965
the men learned very early that
money makes things go away.
551
00:32:57,006 --> 00:32:58,429
It keeps people quiet.
552
00:33:00,097 --> 00:33:01,866
After the murder,
553
00:33:01,867 --> 00:33:05,303
Julian was given a
position by Armand Hammer
554
00:33:05,304 --> 00:33:09,401
at Occidental Petroleum
out of the public eye.
555
00:33:10,755 --> 00:33:15,407
Julian eventually began
doing things for his father,
556
00:33:15,408 --> 00:33:19,156
illegal things like
helping his father
557
00:33:19,157 --> 00:33:23,531
surreptitiously
record conversations.
558
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,232
Julian set him up with
a hidden microphone
559
00:33:30,302 --> 00:33:33,219
and wired 'em up as
we've seen in police movies.
560
00:33:34,677 --> 00:33:38,112
So, he became part
of the secretive world.
561
00:33:38,113 --> 00:33:39,989
A spy world, if you want.
562
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,417
Armand Hammer
understood the criminal mind.
563
00:33:47,418 --> 00:33:50,022
That if you're wired and
have someone on tape,
564
00:33:50,856 --> 00:33:52,522
you have control over them.
565
00:34:07,591 --> 00:34:11,547
The perception
of Hammer in the early 1980s
566
00:34:11,548 --> 00:34:14,395
was that he was a humanitarian,
567
00:34:14,464 --> 00:34:16,650
a philanthropist,
568
00:34:16,651 --> 00:34:18,353
he was a billionaire,
569
00:34:18,423 --> 00:34:21,130
basically, whose mission in life
570
00:34:21,131 --> 00:34:23,457
was to bring about world peace.
571
00:34:25,193 --> 00:34:28,040
A few of us who were
writing about Hammer
572
00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:33,456
were finding out there
was this story there
573
00:34:33,526 --> 00:34:36,685
that the press had
not gotten a hold of.
574
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:39,706
How do you do,
ladies and gentlemen.
575
00:34:41,476 --> 00:34:45,643
Hammer had successfully
buried the story of his past.
576
00:34:46,892 --> 00:34:48,419
In the Hammer family tree,
577
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:51,022
you have Armie Hammer
and his father, Michael,
578
00:34:51,023 --> 00:34:53,836
his father, Julian,
his father, Armand,
579
00:34:53,837 --> 00:34:55,710
and his father, Julius.
580
00:34:55,711 --> 00:34:57,482
I'm here to talk about Julius.
581
00:34:58,836 --> 00:35:01,542
Julius Hammer
had come to America
582
00:35:01,543 --> 00:35:05,086
like many of the Jews of Russia.
583
00:35:06,162 --> 00:35:09,459
He was also a doctor,
but more than that,
584
00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:13,314
he became an active politician.
585
00:35:14,356 --> 00:35:16,750
Julius Hammer was a founder
586
00:35:16,751 --> 00:35:18,522
of the American Communist Party.
587
00:35:22,897 --> 00:35:27,166
When his son in 1898 was born,
588
00:35:27,167 --> 00:35:31,576
he named him Armand
Hammer after the symbol...
589
00:35:32,791 --> 00:35:35,394
of the Communist
Party in Russia.
590
00:35:35,396 --> 00:35:36,957
The arm and the hammer.
591
00:35:41,332 --> 00:35:44,873
The Russians
used the Hammer family
592
00:35:44,874 --> 00:35:49,455
through Julius Hammer to
channel money into New York,
593
00:35:49,456 --> 00:35:54,143
fund the Communist Party
and then steal technology,
594
00:35:54,144 --> 00:35:58,310
and trade secrets
from the United States.
595
00:36:01,227 --> 00:36:04,246
After years of research,
596
00:36:04,247 --> 00:36:07,475
the CIA concluded
that Armand Hammer
597
00:36:07,476 --> 00:36:11,851
was used to collect
information for the KGB.
598
00:36:12,892 --> 00:36:15,809
He was an agent
of the Soviet Union.
599
00:36:17,683 --> 00:36:20,529
Armie's great
grandfather, Armand Hammer,
600
00:36:20,530 --> 00:36:25,495
goes to Moscow to take over
what his father had built there.
601
00:36:27,578 --> 00:36:33,201
Armand Hammer became
an agent of his father's company.
602
00:36:33,202 --> 00:36:36,743
He was a money
launderer, he was a courier
603
00:36:36,744 --> 00:36:40,492
for funds that were channeled
604
00:36:40,493 --> 00:36:44,695
to Soviet espionage
in the United States.
605
00:36:44,764 --> 00:36:48,547
It was secret, it was
illegal, it was dangerous.
606
00:36:48,549 --> 00:36:52,471
Behind every
great fortune is a great crime.
607
00:36:52,472 --> 00:36:55,110
Certainly behind
the Hammer fortune...
608
00:36:56,326 --> 00:37:01,047
there were a great
number of great crimes.
609
00:37:09,762 --> 00:37:11,776
The time for
successful capitalists
610
00:37:11,845 --> 00:37:14,864
earning profits in the height
of communism was over,
611
00:37:14,865 --> 00:37:17,156
and Dr. Armand
Hammer decided to leave
612
00:37:17,157 --> 00:37:20,004
because he realized his
businesses would never triumph
613
00:37:20,073 --> 00:37:22,365
under Stalin's crushing rule.
614
00:37:24,031 --> 00:37:29,066
When Hammer arrived
in the U.S. in the early 1930s...
615
00:37:29,136 --> 00:37:32,988
there was still this fear
of Russia and communism,
616
00:37:32,989 --> 00:37:36,878
so, one of his most
important missions
617
00:37:36,947 --> 00:37:38,925
was to bury his past.
618
00:37:38,926 --> 00:37:41,669
Dr. Hammer, I must show
this audience a picture of Olga.
619
00:37:44,134 --> 00:37:45,591
This is your first wife here.
620
00:37:45,592 --> 00:37:46,634
There she is.
621
00:37:47,467 --> 00:37:50,105
What didn't fit
in with his legend
622
00:37:50,106 --> 00:37:53,194
of being an American who
just happened to be in Russia
623
00:37:53,195 --> 00:37:57,049
was that he had a Russian
wife and a Russian child
624
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:59,584
born in Moscow, Julian.
625
00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:02,258
So, he tried to create as
much distance as he could.
626
00:38:03,438 --> 00:38:05,901
He even had a
paternity test taken
627
00:38:05,902 --> 00:38:10,382
in the hopes that it would
show that his son, Julian...
628
00:38:11,632 --> 00:38:13,193
was not really his son.
629
00:38:14,583 --> 00:38:16,943
It was very sad when
I heard the whole story
630
00:38:16,944 --> 00:38:19,651
from Julian's point of view.
631
00:38:19,652 --> 00:38:23,298
He knew he was always
thought of as an embarrassment.
632
00:38:24,756 --> 00:38:26,006
An albatross.
633
00:38:27,707 --> 00:38:31,421
So, the relationship
between Armand and Julian
634
00:38:31,422 --> 00:38:34,755
was a relationship of
a father trying to hide...
635
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:37,045
his son.
636
00:38:37,046 --> 00:38:39,859
And his only son from the world.
637
00:38:48,816 --> 00:38:51,626
My father and
brother hated each other.
638
00:38:51,627 --> 00:38:55,517
They constantly were arguing
and bickering and fighting.
639
00:38:55,586 --> 00:38:57,460
But on the outside
in front of Grandpa,
640
00:38:57,461 --> 00:38:59,786
they were patting
each other on the back
641
00:38:59,787 --> 00:39:01,523
and being so phony
and superficial.
642
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,689
My brother wanted
to surpass my father,
643
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:07,773
but my father wasn't
gonna let that happen.
644
00:39:09,127 --> 00:39:12,285
Julian was very
jealous of Michael. That I saw.
645
00:39:12,286 --> 00:39:15,307
He was very jealous, he
was very rough on Michael.
646
00:39:15,376 --> 00:39:16,625
Very mean to Michael.
647
00:39:17,667 --> 00:39:19,853
I did see a pattern there.
648
00:39:19,854 --> 00:39:22,874
That Julian, I think,
was hard on his children
649
00:39:22,875 --> 00:39:25,792
because Armand
was hard on Julian.
650
00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:38,534
The second trip I
took from Washington
651
00:39:38,602 --> 00:39:40,929
down to visit my father...
652
00:39:42,596 --> 00:39:44,679
everyone was
drinking way too much...
653
00:39:47,872 --> 00:39:49,782
and my
father offered my brother
654
00:39:49,783 --> 00:39:51,762
$1 million for his girlfriend.
655
00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:58,602
My brother, it was like
a monster unleashed.
656
00:40:01,831 --> 00:40:06,100
They both said, "I'm gonna
kill you," and they ran outside,
657
00:40:06,101 --> 00:40:09,572
and when I finally
circled the building,
658
00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:12,559
I saw police had separated them.
659
00:40:14,121 --> 00:40:16,620
The cops didn't arrest
either one of 'em,
660
00:40:16,621 --> 00:40:20,926
and let them both drive
away intoxicated as they were,
661
00:40:20,996 --> 00:40:24,467
and Michael's girlfriend
ended up going with my father
662
00:40:24,537 --> 00:40:28,287
quote unquote to
tame the situation.
663
00:40:29,953 --> 00:40:32,071
She was older than
most of the girls.
664
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:34,987
Probably 19.
665
00:40:35,057 --> 00:40:38,528
She ended up living with my
father for, like, another eight months.
666
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,555
When I graduated from high
school, my grandfather said,
667
00:40:47,556 --> 00:40:51,236
"you're now going to the University of
San Diego because your brother's there."
668
00:40:53,215 --> 00:40:56,615
USD was a Catholic
private school,
669
00:40:56,616 --> 00:40:58,700
2000 students, so,
it was very small.
670
00:41:01,513 --> 00:41:03,943
Michael was larger
than life on the campus,
671
00:41:04,012 --> 00:41:05,922
meaning he had a reputation.
672
00:41:05,991 --> 00:41:09,950
Him and his friends are partying
and just, um, all kinds of things.
673
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,260
Michael was the
life-of-the-party guy.
674
00:41:15,261 --> 00:41:17,447
He was the leader of the guys.
675
00:41:17,448 --> 00:41:19,739
When their group would come in,
676
00:41:19,740 --> 00:41:22,136
Michael would always
be front and center.
677
00:41:23,004 --> 00:41:25,989
He was almost the stereotypical
678
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:29,461
wealthy kid that you
see in teen movies.
679
00:41:29,531 --> 00:41:31,753
What was his, uh, slogan?
680
00:41:31,823 --> 00:41:35,503
I think he even wanted T-shirts made
that said, "Decadence, a way of life."
681
00:41:37,342 --> 00:41:39,738
He kind of
always had a different girl.
682
00:41:39,739 --> 00:41:43,523
It would be one of those
things where, you know,
683
00:41:43,592 --> 00:41:45,569
"Do we really have
to get to know her?
684
00:41:45,571 --> 00:41:47,585
There will just be a
new one next week."
685
00:41:48,522 --> 00:41:51,507
It didn't matter
what room he was in,
686
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:55,985
he commanded your attention,
he wanted your attention.
687
00:41:55,986 --> 00:41:58,730
Almost every single one
688
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,507
of Casey's closest friends
689
00:42:01,508 --> 00:42:04,841
ended up sleeping with
Michael at some point or another.
690
00:42:07,132 --> 00:42:10,985
One night, I had found
a photo album in his closet.
691
00:42:10,986 --> 00:42:13,312
And it was a lot of naked people
692
00:42:13,382 --> 00:42:14,943
in the pictures, like an orgy,
693
00:42:14,944 --> 00:42:17,999
and there was cash,
and there were drugs,
694
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:20,290
and there was a gun
in the closet as well.
695
00:42:22,478 --> 00:42:24,665
Michael was mirroring my father
696
00:42:24,735 --> 00:42:28,378
and showing early signs
of what my father was like.
697
00:42:28,379 --> 00:42:30,706
It was scary.
698
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:35,185
My name is Wendy Williams.
699
00:42:35,255 --> 00:42:38,726
Casey Hammer and Michael Hammer
700
00:42:38,795 --> 00:42:40,254
are my cousins.
701
00:42:41,816 --> 00:42:44,628
I thought that they
were just wealthy,
702
00:42:44,629 --> 00:42:47,440
they had this wonderful life,
703
00:42:47,441 --> 00:42:50,184
when it was not
like that at all.
704
00:42:52,753 --> 00:42:56,641
Michael was pretty reckless
when he was younger.
705
00:42:58,481 --> 00:42:59,731
I remember Armand Hammer
706
00:42:59,732 --> 00:43:03,169
coming in to
intervene with Michael.
707
00:43:04,349 --> 00:43:07,786
He was making very
specific demands
708
00:43:07,855 --> 00:43:10,564
of how Michael's
life was going to be.
709
00:43:11,502 --> 00:43:13,202
Basically, there
would be no money
710
00:43:13,272 --> 00:43:16,848
unless he cleaned up his life
711
00:43:16,918 --> 00:43:19,244
and did what Armand...
712
00:43:20,493 --> 00:43:21,535
wanted.
713
00:43:22,646 --> 00:43:25,771
Which was, come
work for the company.
714
00:43:29,034 --> 00:43:32,020
It always appeared that Michael
715
00:43:32,021 --> 00:43:33,930
was the Hammer heir.
716
00:43:34,729 --> 00:43:37,471
And Casey was,
717
00:43:37,541 --> 00:43:39,346
for a lack of a
better way to say it,
718
00:43:39,416 --> 00:43:45,075
"Just be nice and be pretty
and we'll take care of you."
719
00:43:45,144 --> 00:43:48,580
Michael had gotten back
into graces with my grandfather
720
00:43:48,581 --> 00:43:51,081
and then was hired at Oxy.
721
00:43:52,227 --> 00:43:54,309
And so, Michael saw
722
00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:57,157
he could try and
manipulate my grandfather,
723
00:43:57,227 --> 00:44:00,907
or get, you know, above
my father's hierarchy.
724
00:44:16,495 --> 00:44:18,578
Grandpa would
throw parties all the time.
725
00:44:19,863 --> 00:44:21,634
We would get invited,
726
00:44:21,703 --> 00:44:25,245
and it was a select few
2,000 of his closest friends.
727
00:44:27,154 --> 00:44:29,967
And it was who's who in
Hollywood if you got invited.
728
00:44:30,035 --> 00:44:34,305
It's now my great privilege to
introduce Mr. Gregory Peck.
729
00:44:43,889 --> 00:44:46,284
It was a huge
deal when they were like,
730
00:44:46,285 --> 00:44:49,722
"Armand Hammer is hosting
Prince Charles and Lady Diana."
731
00:44:53,368 --> 00:44:57,360
So, yeah, it was pretty cool when you
got to tell people that you were there.
732
00:44:59,756 --> 00:45:02,116
My father was forced to show up
733
00:45:02,117 --> 00:45:04,199
at a function or a party,
734
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,734
and just didn't wanna
have anything to do with it.
735
00:45:08,158 --> 00:45:10,970
Whereas my brother
wanted it so deeply...
736
00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:15,969
to take his place as
heir apparent to the throne.
737
00:45:19,233 --> 00:45:22,948
I tried watching the
HBO show Succession.
738
00:45:24,129 --> 00:45:25,969
I got through three episodes...
739
00:45:26,906 --> 00:45:28,295
and I had to turn it off.
740
00:45:31,420 --> 00:45:33,503
Everyone's
brown-nosing each other
741
00:45:33,571 --> 00:45:38,086
and saying fake stuff, and everyone
hates each other on the inside,
742
00:45:38,155 --> 00:45:41,175
but on the outside they're
all pretending to get along.
743
00:45:41,176 --> 00:45:44,612
Magnify Succession
a million times,
744
00:45:44,613 --> 00:45:47,842
and it was literally my family.
745
00:45:57,008 --> 00:45:59,542
Michael was 27,
28, when he first met
746
00:45:59,611 --> 00:46:02,112
Armie's mother, Dru.
747
00:46:04,923 --> 00:46:08,187
He was flying first class
and he was really drunk,
748
00:46:08,257 --> 00:46:10,998
and I guess Dru was
sitting next to him.
749
00:46:10,999 --> 00:46:13,359
And she said before
she got off the airplane,
750
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,715
she was planning to marry him.
751
00:46:16,832 --> 00:46:19,540
She was very religious
752
00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:23,255
and very not like what
Michael goes out with.
753
00:46:23,256 --> 00:46:25,025
So when he got off the airplane
754
00:46:25,026 --> 00:46:27,040
and he was saying,
"I met someone,"
755
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:28,567
we were all like, "Sure, okay."
756
00:46:28,568 --> 00:46:30,789
And then when we met Dru,
757
00:46:30,858 --> 00:46:34,190
we just thought, "Oh,
that's never gonna last."
758
00:46:34,191 --> 00:46:38,357
But my grandfather rolled out the
red carpet for her and her parents.
759
00:46:39,399 --> 00:46:41,934
He wanted Michael
and Dru to get married,
760
00:46:42,004 --> 00:46:46,378
because this was a
wholesome, Tulsa, wealthy family
761
00:46:46,379 --> 00:46:48,599
that was very religious,
762
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,460
and my grandfather believed
that Dru could change Michael.
763
00:46:53,461 --> 00:46:57,454
After we got out of college, Michael
came over one night to Casey's house
764
00:46:57,524 --> 00:47:01,272
and introduced this woman as
his fiance, and we got to know her.
765
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:05,543
But then he was with other girls
766
00:47:05,544 --> 00:47:07,834
who went out with us,
767
00:47:07,835 --> 00:47:09,953
and, you know, we
would ask questions like,
768
00:47:10,022 --> 00:47:13,250
"Oh, did you break
up with your fiance?"
769
00:47:13,251 --> 00:47:16,723
"No, no, she's fine. She just
couldn't come out tonight."
770
00:47:20,646 --> 00:47:24,395
When they got married, it
was a big, elaborate, to-do in Tulsa
771
00:47:24,396 --> 00:47:27,206
where who's who was invited.
772
00:47:27,207 --> 00:47:28,249
It was a giant wedding.
773
00:47:29,917 --> 00:47:32,138
When Dru gave birth to Armie,
774
00:47:32,208 --> 00:47:34,742
they would parade him
around to Grandpa's.
775
00:47:34,812 --> 00:47:36,825
Everyone fawned all over him.
776
00:47:39,395 --> 00:47:42,415
I remember being at Michael
and Dru's house in the Palisades.
777
00:47:43,387 --> 00:47:46,304
Armie, just this little,
cute towhead little boy,
778
00:47:46,373 --> 00:47:48,247
comes up to me.
779
00:47:48,248 --> 00:47:49,601
And Michael says,
"Are you gonna give
780
00:47:49,602 --> 00:47:51,684
your aunt Casey a hug goodbye?"
781
00:47:51,685 --> 00:47:53,873
And he kicked me in the shins.
782
00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:58,767
I was like, "You're
such a little brat."
783
00:47:58,768 --> 00:48:03,557
But God forbid you touch
or say anything bad to Armie.
784
00:48:03,558 --> 00:48:06,719
He was given Armand Douglas
Hammer, after my grandfather.
785
00:48:07,864 --> 00:48:10,224
He was the prince, the crown,
786
00:48:10,226 --> 00:48:12,932
the continuation of
the Hammer name,
787
00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:15,015
so the whole Hammer
family could live again
788
00:48:15,016 --> 00:48:16,718
in a whole another generation.
789
00:48:23,696 --> 00:48:25,848
- Armand Hammer...
- Dr. Armand Hammer...
790
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:28,348
Self-made millionaire
Armand Hammer is dead.
791
00:48:28,349 --> 00:48:30,639
He died last night
at the age of 92.
792
00:48:34,806 --> 00:48:38,659
I was living in
Hawaii when I got a phone call
793
00:48:38,661 --> 00:48:41,299
that my grandfather had passed.
794
00:48:42,340 --> 00:48:43,416
And...
795
00:48:44,944 --> 00:48:47,096
it was the phone call
that you never thought
796
00:48:47,097 --> 00:48:48,972
was gonna happen.
It was from Michael.
797
00:48:50,326 --> 00:48:54,284
I remember dropping the phone...
798
00:48:55,430 --> 00:49:00,011
and the room spinning.
799
00:49:00,012 --> 00:49:03,657
Armand Hammer, philanthropist,
art collector, and industrialist...
800
00:49:03,658 --> 00:49:07,130
It was a huge deal. The
coverage was incredible.
801
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:10,359
From 1921,
Hammer was making deals...
802
00:49:10,428 --> 00:49:14,906
I just remember being at the
airport getting ready to board my flight,
803
00:49:14,907 --> 00:49:19,073
and on all the monitors and TV
screens, "Armand Hammer Dies."
804
00:49:19,074 --> 00:49:21,816
Armand Hammer,
the son of one of the founders
805
00:49:21,885 --> 00:49:24,837
of the American Communist
Party, acquired Occidental...
806
00:49:24,905 --> 00:49:26,884
You couldn't get away from it.
807
00:49:27,441 --> 00:49:29,175
It was just surreal.
808
00:49:29,176 --> 00:49:32,300
I hope that when I pass
on, I will have left the world
809
00:49:32,301 --> 00:49:34,419
a little better than
when I found it.
810
00:49:41,051 --> 00:49:42,821
Michael had called me,
811
00:49:42,822 --> 00:49:47,091
and Grandpa was
still dead on the bed
812
00:49:47,092 --> 00:49:49,175
while he was looting the house.
813
00:49:50,772 --> 00:49:53,340
There were five vans out front,
814
00:49:53,342 --> 00:49:56,152
and Michael and Dru
bringing down tapestries
815
00:49:56,153 --> 00:49:58,236
and taking things
from the house.
816
00:49:59,417 --> 00:50:01,048
I had flown in that morning.
817
00:50:01,049 --> 00:50:04,798
I rented a car and I remember
driving to my father's house.
818
00:50:04,799 --> 00:50:08,791
I was just trying to
make sense of everything.
819
00:50:08,861 --> 00:50:12,297
Few days later, we were called
into Arthur Groman's office,
820
00:50:12,298 --> 00:50:15,422
who was my grandfather's
best friend and attorney,
821
00:50:15,423 --> 00:50:18,026
and that was where the
reading of the will was.
822
00:50:23,582 --> 00:50:26,706
Michael was on my right and
my father was across from me.
823
00:50:28,651 --> 00:50:32,400
Arthur Groman's reading
through it and saying,
824
00:50:32,401 --> 00:50:34,101
"And I leave my granddaughter,
825
00:50:34,171 --> 00:50:38,684
Casey Layne Hammer,
$250,000 in cash."
826
00:50:38,753 --> 00:50:41,044
Let's see what else.
827
00:50:41,045 --> 00:50:43,650
"And I leave Julian
Hammer, my son...
828
00:50:44,934 --> 00:50:46,809
$500,000.
829
00:50:46,879 --> 00:50:50,038
Pay off his house
and car and debts.
830
00:50:51,392 --> 00:50:55,939
And I leave Michael Armand
Hammer the Rolls-Royce."
831
00:50:59,065 --> 00:51:02,293
And then the
last paragraph or so was,
832
00:51:02,294 --> 00:51:04,620
"And the executor of the estate
833
00:51:05,419 --> 00:51:07,015
is Michael Armand Hammer
834
00:51:07,710 --> 00:51:11,042
and his wife, Dru Ann Hammer."
835
00:51:14,202 --> 00:51:16,771
My grandfather had
836
00:51:16,772 --> 00:51:19,306
$40 million of cash left.
837
00:51:21,493 --> 00:51:23,575
I got $250,000,
838
00:51:23,576 --> 00:51:25,659
my father got $500,000...
839
00:51:26,805 --> 00:51:29,375
everything else got
passed on to Michael.
840
00:51:30,416 --> 00:51:32,604
At that point, you're
like, "Wait, what?"
841
00:51:33,957 --> 00:51:36,909
You don't think
you're hearing any of it.
842
00:51:38,749 --> 00:51:42,810
And my father starts going off,
843
00:51:42,811 --> 00:51:45,241
"What do you mean,
you get the Rolls-Royce?
844
00:51:45,311 --> 00:51:47,741
I want the Rolls-Royce."
And I'm like,
845
00:51:47,811 --> 00:51:49,893
in my mind, thinking,
846
00:51:49,894 --> 00:51:52,809
"You don't even understand
the gravity of what just happened."
847
00:51:53,644 --> 00:51:55,969
It made no sense.
848
00:51:56,038 --> 00:51:58,643
And when I asked when
the new will was signed...
849
00:51:59,685 --> 00:52:02,010
it was in October.
850
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,371
Forty days later,
my grandfather died.
851
00:52:17,113 --> 00:52:19,369
The expectation
of his family members
852
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:21,800
was he was a billionaire.
853
00:52:21,869 --> 00:52:23,952
And then when
his will was read...
854
00:52:25,412 --> 00:52:26,766
they learned that he wasn't.
855
00:52:29,196 --> 00:52:32,078
He had given away
most of his money.
856
00:52:34,404 --> 00:52:38,361
So, the Hammer family was left
basically fighting among themselves.
857
00:52:41,174 --> 00:52:44,403
Michael decided he would
grab as much of the money
858
00:52:44,472 --> 00:52:46,798
and as much of the
power as he could,
859
00:52:46,867 --> 00:52:50,235
and as executive, there were
very few people to oppose him.
860
00:52:52,839 --> 00:52:55,339
It was like checkmate.
861
00:52:55,408 --> 00:52:58,532
Michael was putting the
screws to my father and I,
862
00:52:58,533 --> 00:53:01,137
and my brother told my mother,
863
00:53:01,138 --> 00:53:03,949
"Casey's just a casualty,"
864
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:06,587
because he hated
my father so much,
865
00:53:06,588 --> 00:53:08,220
he wanted him out on the street.
866
00:53:10,927 --> 00:53:15,546
To have Michael, who professed
himself as a man of God,
867
00:53:15,616 --> 00:53:17,941
doing this to my
father and myself...
868
00:53:22,212 --> 00:53:25,509
it's not about the inheritance
as much as it is about
869
00:53:26,344 --> 00:53:27,697
just being acknowledged.
870
00:53:29,468 --> 00:53:31,031
I was completely left out.
871
00:53:32,385 --> 00:53:34,883
That's really sad
when you realize that
872
00:53:34,884 --> 00:53:38,773
you don't have
any family or anybody who love you.
873
00:53:43,043 --> 00:53:44,918
I don't know how
to process all of that.
874
00:53:45,751 --> 00:53:47,210
I just, um...
875
00:53:48,424 --> 00:53:49,466
yeah.
876
00:53:51,584 --> 00:53:53,112
It didn't end well.
877
00:54:03,006 --> 00:54:06,270
Armie talked a lot
about the evilness
878
00:54:06,340 --> 00:54:08,874
of the men in his family.
879
00:54:08,944 --> 00:54:12,693
His dad, his grandpa,
his great-grandpa.
880
00:54:12,694 --> 00:54:15,645
But he didn't sound like
he was ashamed of it.
881
00:54:15,714 --> 00:54:18,943
It's almost like it
was a badge of honor.
882
00:54:26,998 --> 00:54:29,358
After the Sedona
night with the ropes,
883
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:31,893
Armie's pulling me even closer.
884
00:54:36,268 --> 00:54:39,809
We go to Dallas
and meet his mom.
885
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:45,225
He warned me that it
would be interesting.
886
00:54:46,996 --> 00:54:49,566
And that, it was.
887
00:54:51,441 --> 00:54:55,503
She's just like Armie, she's
gorgeous, tall, really beautiful.
888
00:54:56,961 --> 00:54:58,662
They both command a room.
889
00:54:58,732 --> 00:55:00,328
You know, they have a presence.
890
00:55:03,210 --> 00:55:07,099
At dinner, Armie was talking
891
00:55:07,168 --> 00:55:10,640
negatively about his father.
892
00:55:10,709 --> 00:55:14,181
And she just blurted out, "You
need to give him some slack,
893
00:55:14,251 --> 00:55:17,479
because this happened to him
894
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,292
when he was younger."
895
00:55:21,681 --> 00:55:25,500
And it was something that I
should not have been there for.
896
00:55:30,326 --> 00:55:34,388
Nobody could have been
prepared for what I heard that night.
897
00:55:37,374 --> 00:55:40,810
It was just some
deep-rooted family trauma.
65367
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