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[narrator] Once upon
a Christmas time,

in a big house on a hill,

there lived a man, his wife

and their eight children.

The family filled the house
with their excitement.

Presents for everyone,
particularly Ghislaine,

who's five on Christmas Day,

and, like the baby
of any family,

has Daddy very
much under control.

[chatter]

I can't do it.

OK.

When Father Christmas came
last year, I was fast asleep,

and he put... I took my daddy's
stocking away from his bedroom.

Then I hanged it up on my
bed, then Father Christmas

put some toys in my daddy's...
in my daddy's stocking.

[newsreader] Breaking news in
the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.

She has been convicted

of helping American
financier Jeffrey Epstein

sexually abuse teenage girls.

Ghislaine Maxwell just got
convicted of five of six

of the serious
counts against her,

including the most
serious counts,

sex trafficking of a minor.

[reporter] Three of her
siblings were inside there

to hear that verdict
being handed down.

[reporter 2] She's from a
dynasty that has known disgrace

and is now disgraced herself.

[reporter] Ghislaine
Maxwell was the socialite

whose manners and magnetism

attracted princes
and presidents.

[reporter 3] Prince
Andrew was friends

with both Ghislaine
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein

during this lurid
chapter of abuse.

[reporter] The women
who took the stand,

they say that Ghislaine Maxwell
identified their frailties.

It was her charm
and her magnetism

that made them feel safe.

[reporter 4] Ghislaine
Maxwell faces

up to 65 years behind bars.

That could potentially
be the rest of her life.

The road to justice
has been far too long.

But today justice has been done.

[woman] The women were to
take off their tops and bras

and present their
breasts to the men.

It was really as if just
being Ghislaine wasn't enough.

I began to see that
there was a deficit there

which was being filled by
being this charming host.

[woman 2] I said
to Jeffrey, like,

"She has really masculine,
aggressive energy."

And he said something like,

"Yeah, she's got a
bigger penis than me."

[woman 3] She ferociously
slammed the table,

and my court reporter looked at
me and said, "I'm so scared."

I have been silent for 20 years.

I don't wanna be a victim.

I remember a little girl
walking downstairs crying,

and she was wearing a uniform,

you know, and I'm like,
"Whoa. She's a kid."

And she says to me,
"They are nothing."

"They are trash."

[woman 4] I think
there were signs

things were happening.

At what point, if she did,

did she see what
was becoming of her?

[church bell rings]

[reporter] The football league's
first elected lady director

is still, in fact, a student.

She's at Balliol
College in Oxford,

studying French and history.

More than 40 years ago, I was
president of the Oxford Union.

To make ends meet,
I did some tutoring,

and one of my tutees

was Ghislaine Maxwell.

She'd been at Marlborough,

one of our top private
schools in this country.

She hadn't done as
well in her A levels

as she should have done,

and that's where I came in.

Ghislaine would sit there,

on the corner of the desk.

There was I, I was
21, she was 17,

and she knew she was
uh, good-looking,

and she was very self-assured.

But she was incredibly bright.

She picked things up
very, very quickly.

But the problem was she
just didn't do enough work.

I vividly remember her
showing me one essay

that was just two thirds
of one side of paper,

and I was expecting sort
of seven or eight pages.

Um, she'd probably written
it in ten minutes on the bus.

There was a lot of
pressure on her to succeed,

particularly as her
father, Robert Maxwell,

he'd actually given money to
Balliol back in the 1960s.

[ticking]

[presenter] Oxford United
have gained a reputation,

justifiably, for
attractive football,

but uh, that image is not
just restricted to the pitch,

it goes all the way
up to the boardroom,

and I'm delighted to
welcome Ghislaine Maxwell.

Well, I actually went
to a boys' school,

where there were something like
a thousand boys and 40 girls,

and so the few girls
that were there,

we decided to get together and
get ourselves a football team.

And so I played
midfield for them.

And we were very
successful, as well.

I have a feeling you're
a rebel till the end.

[laughs]

[woman] When I
arrived at Oxford,

she was a very well-known name.

The name Maxwell was
huge in those days

because of her father, Robert.

But she was also very
rapidly, I think,

established as a person
in her own right.

She was in the glossy magazines.
She was in the newspapers.

I think there was always

something fascinating
about Ghislaine.

What is this person like?

What is it like
to be that famous?

[air horns blare,
car horns beep]

[Mike Maloney]
She was perceived

as the child who
could do no wrong.

It's just one of these
things that happened,

that father has a
particular favorite child,

'cause Bob had nine children,

but she was the youngest,

and she was totally
and utterly spoilt.

And I think she was
spoilt from birth.

She said to me
one day, she said,

"Don't forget,
I'm Daddy's girl."

[whistles]

[reporter] Robert Maxwell
is one of Britain's

most influential businessmen.

He was born Ján Ludvík
Hoch in Czechoslovakia

to Jewish peasants who were
swept away in the Holocaust.

Today he is the stormy petrel

of the international
big business world.

Robert Maxwell now
owns the Daily Mirror,

theSunday Mirror,
theSunday People,

theSporting Life, and
two Scottish newspapers.

[Maloney] And it was Bob
Maxwell who introduced me

to his favorite daughter.

And she was lovely.

Very young, very attractive,

but very quiet, almost timid.

She was literally

the apple of his eye.

She'd be all lovey-dovey,

and go up and snuggle up to him,

or give him a kiss,

sit on his knee,
things like that.

Especially if she
wanted something,

money, gifts, luxuries.

She knew how to work her father,

let's say.

And that's exactly
what Ghislaine did.

[newsreader] The
old boys' network,

which leads from public
school to Oxbridge

and then to the top
positions of power,

is under threat from within.

Undergraduates at Oxford

have now started
visiting state schools

in a bid to persuade more
pupils to apply to go there.

[McElvoy] The
Oxford of that time

was very marked
still by distinctions

between class and
birth and money.

I don't think she
was entirely seen

as being of that top drawer,

families who'd been there
for many generations.

[ticking]

[Dafydd Jones] Oxford had all
these different kind of cliques.

There were the
Oxford Union people,

who really seriously
wanted to go into politics,

people like David Cameron
and Boris Johnson.

Ghislaine had a-a
different group

which were more uh, sort
of famous household names,

like Hanson, Sainsbury's,

and she flirted and
talked to those people.

One of the first times I
photographed Ghislaine,

she was at the Bullingdon
Point to Point.

She was dancing about, very
physical, rushing around.

She was flirty with boys.

I remember clearly,

I don't think she
was drinking at all,

and I remember
quite a few people

ended up in the mud that
day, but not Ghislaine.

[McElvoy] Ghislaine
was ambitious.

Even within a world in
which she already sat,

in the "glossy posse", she
wanted to make her mark.

One good thing about her not
being entirely from that world

within the English class system

was I think she was very
easy at talking to people.

She had this
extraordinary voice,

this very sort of low voice.

It was like a purr.

I think she also did quite
enjoy being queen bee.

She always presented
herself as more knowing,

sort of wise counsel to probably
some quite giddy people.

Ah!

I met Ghislaine
soon after I arrived

as an undergraduate
at Oxford University.

[presenter] The
jeunesse dorée of Oxford

hell-bent on
enjoying themselves.

Those of a nervous disposition
should now be warned

that they may well be looking
at future prime ministers,

and chancellors
of the exchequer,

and, God help us all,

a future minister of defense.

[Monbiot] And there was one
set of people in particular

who were living
life to the limits.

A lot of alcohol, there
were a lot of drugs,

there was a lot of sex.

It was pretty wild.

And a lot of them
had serious money,

and that's one reason I could
never really be integrated.

And at its heart, among
other people, was Ghislaine.

She was a great
social organizer.

She knew everybody's name.

She did draw you in
quite... quite literally,

sometimes grab you by the
hand and pull you in and say,

"Right, come and meet
this person and..."

And so she helped you to
overcome your own shyness.

So she made you feel welcome.

Even though, in retrospect,

it's clear that I
didn't really belong,

for that moment, I felt, "Oh,
yeah, I'm here, I've arrived."

- Hello, hi. Lovely to see you.
- Hello.

Come on in.

Greetings.

She was interested in sex.

- I mean, we have to say that.
- Yeah.

I do remember one evening
meeting her in uh, in Jericho,

at some sort of little houses

that people...
students lived in.

And there is Ghislaine on
the sofa with her hair.

She must have been
smoking. I can't remember.

These incredible eyes,
sort of like "zap".

You looked at her and you felt
all the attention was on you.

So she managed to, even if...

whatever was going
on behind the eyes,

you looked at her, and she
was completely compelling.

I was trying to chat up
this very beautiful girl,

and Ghislaine was
very like a puppeteer.

Ghislaine said, "Now
you should say this."

She prompted in this wonderful
femme fatale-ish way,

with the cigarettes
and the whole thing.

She realized that
she could direct

a willing sort of, you know...

She knew what to say.

[Nicholas Stafford-Deitch] I first
met Ghislaine in the early '80s

when I'd gone back to Oxford
to do my master's degree.

I remember there was a party,

and she suddenly looked
me in the eye and said,

"Will you take me
out to dinner?"

She just injected it
into the conversation

like she might say, "I like
the shirt you're wearing."

Dinner started off
perfectly normally.

But over time,

the conversation kept
returning to her father,

and by about the halfway stage,

I think she was talking
about nothing else.

I got an impression that
here was a young woman

who, on one hand, was very
sophisticated and confident,

but, on the other
hand, I found someone

who was probably rather
insecure at the same time,

because she seemed to rely so
much on who her father was,

and I never really got to
know anything about her.

[Monbiot] Ghislaine was
outwardly very confident,

but there was always that sense

that there was something
brittle, vulnerable, frantic,

beneath that socially
confident exterior.

And I began to see that
there was a deficit there,

which I felt was being filled

by being this charming host.

And then suddenly,

it happened almost overnight,

I just couldn't take it anymore.

What had seemed to me
like this warm, funny,

exciting, inviting,
thrilling social scene

suddenly seemed like
a nightmare networking

of bright laughter
and false friendship.

They were climbing
the social ladder,

advancing their social position,

but actually they didn't
seem to care for each other.

My feelings weren't
focused on Ghislaine,

but I suppose because she was

particularly skilled
in-in that scene,

and quite central to it,

to some extent she
came to represent

what I then fiercely rejected.

I could see the skull
beneath the skin.

[rousing music]

[Thatcher] There are
many things to be done

to set this nation on
the road to recovery,

and I don't mean
economic recovery alone,

but a new independence of spirit

and a zest for achievement.

[Jones] Around that
period of the early '80s,

the upper classes
were celebrating,

and there were a lot
of parties going on,

and it was also the beginnings
of a sort of yuppie,

a new type of person developing

who was very
entrepreneurial and selfish.

[interviewer] Today you're
proud to be a yuppie?

Yes, all right, I admit it,
I'm proud to be a yuppie.

[Jones] In London, I was
working for theTatler magazine.

Ghislaine was popping up
at quite a few parties.

Part of the crowd
that Ghislaine was in

was quite a hard partying crowd.

Trinny Woodall,
Susannah Constantine.

And they liked going out late
and flirting with young men.

This was pretty
close to the top set.

[Mariella Frostrup] I
met Ghislaine Maxwell

a very long time
ago in-in the 1980s,

quite shortly after I first
moved to London from Ireland.

London, really, for me,
was like a huge ladder

going right up to the sky,

a bit like Jack and the
Beanstalk, and I just, you know,

was clambering up this
endless, it felt like, ladder.

[cork pops]

And Ghislaine just happened
to be one of the people

I sort of brushed up
against on-on that path.

There was this
really sparkly-eyed,

very interesting, fun woman

who seemed to be the sort of life
and soul of the party in a way.

I remember being at a dinner

where Prince Charles
was sat next to me.

They were a sort of
elite, privileged crowd.

Either rich or titled, or both.

It was still a
pretty sexist era.

There were women who-who would
respond very differently to men

than-than to their own sex.

She wasn't like that, you know.

She was sort of one
of the boys, in a way.

She just was comfortable
with everybody.

And I'm not surprised if people
did find her so appealing

that she brought
them into a circle,

because there was
something about Ghislaine

that made you want
to bask in her light.

[Nicola Glucksmann] I remember
Ghislaine as very beautiful, charming,

hugely entertaining,
but slightly manic.

I was invited as a plus one

to a weekend party

at Headington Hill Hall.

Ghislaine was hosting herself.

She was always
scanning the room.

At the end of the dinner,
Ghislaine announced

that it was time for some games,

and she disappeared and
came back with some scarves,

but explained that, um,

she was going to give each
of the men a blindfold,

and they were to
blindfold themselves,

and then the women were to
take off their tops and bras

and present their
breasts to the men.

And then the men
would feel the breasts

and make an attempt
to match the breast

by weight and... and cup size

to, uh, the woman who was
attached to the breast.

It was all bundled up as fun.

Ghislaine was very
relaxed about it.

This was a gift
she was giving us.

I absented myself,
I excluded myself,

and said I was tired,

and left, as did my friend,

but I was very struck

by how awful that...
that idea was.

The notion that a woman
would suggest a game

and... make it quite hard

for the other women not to play,

because you would
have been the killjoy,

you're the one that doesn't
join in, you're no fun,

I mean, that's sort of
adult peer pressure.

Very difficult not to do it.

And yet if a man suggested it,

I... I don't think the
women would have done it.

I mean, that experience
really left me...

wondering, you know,

about what... what...

what was going on with her.

It seemed to betray
a very odd attitude

to herself as a woman

and to the men around her.

It was really as if just
being Ghislaine wasn't enough.

Flamboyant, vulgar,

insufferable, ruthless,

brazen, fiery, humorless,

impatient, intolerant, rude.

[laughs]

And this is an
authorized biographer.

And he likes you. To how much
of that do you plead guilty?

I plead guilty to all of it.

- [reporter] Can I have one more?
- No, you cannot.

Jesus. Now, that's
unwelcome visitor. Fuck off.

Come in?

[Maloney] He could
bully people.

He could be a tyrant.

I mean, he was a tyrant
to Betty, his wife.

He was a tyrant to the boys.

Betty'd talk about Sunday
lunch at Headington.

He would start picking on one
of the children, berating them.

Even hitting them with his belt.

And then having the audacity

to get them to write

a letter of apology to him.

Ghislaine would have operated

under these dreadful conditions.

But a lot of it was
self-preservation.

Betty also told me
about Ghislaine,

that Ghislaine was the one
who got away with everything.

She got away scot-free.

Ghislaine's
lifestyle was lavish.

It was the best of everything.

And if you think about it,

for a girl of that age
coming onto the scene,

she's got a private plane
to fly her from A to B,

she's got the use
of a luxury yacht.

Having observed her
for a number of years,

she was quite aware
of what was going on.

I think she had the ability

to gloss over certain
parts of life,

and take what she wanted,

and reject what she didn't want.

[ticking]

[Tim Walker] Bob looked at Ghislaine
as if she was on a pedestal,

as if she was nothing less,
frankly, than Princess Diana.

She, I felt, by contrast,
looked at him with respect,

with concern, perhaps,

but also, I felt,
with a degree of fear.

The voice that she used,
interestingly, to Bob,

was different to the voice I
saw her use to other people,

certainly myself.

It was coquettish.

Perhaps it was schoolgirl-ish.

It was a sort of
singsong-y voice.

It was a strained relationship.

I got the impression

-she was a bit of a blank
canvas -[Bob] Get out of here!

Whose only sense of
identity, I think,

was being her father's daughter.

I keep thinking about that
in relation to Ghislaine.

If I'd had a father

to whom rules never applied,

nothing really mattered, or
anything got in your way,

how I might have turned out.

[Anne-Elizabeth Moutet]
Ghislaine was a spoiled brat.

She was abrupt, she was
rude, and she was demanding.

I met Ghislaine
when I was working

for theEuropean as
Paris bureau chief.

She would walk into this office.

She came like a kind of
sort of small tornado,

and-and she sort of had
this hectoring voice.

The assumption was that if
someone worked for her father,

that person was there to help.

She would come in and
ask people to do things

that were completely
unrelated to their jobs.

She would ask for her
mother's car to be towed

when her mother had a problem.

Or one memorable time,
she rang up the office,

"I'm at the Ritz
and it's horrible."

"I want you to call
them up and to say

that really they're below par."

She had energy.

There was a sort of
impatience about her

that could be very positive,

and the negative
was she was rude.

Captain, you might
come and take this bag

from my secretary, would you?

[Walker] Throughout the
time I was working there,

I-I saw them striving,

uh, Bob and Ghislaine.

For what they very much desired

was this acceptance in society.

[reporter] Much of Britain's
elitist establishment

is not amused by Mr. Maxwell.

Ordinary Brits may take a
shine to his rambunctious ways,

but to upper-class Britain,
Captain Bob and his wife

remain still nouveau
riche outsiders.

I suppose it was that he was,
perhaps, somewhat vulgar.

It was that he wanted to be a
member of the establishment,

but he wasn't quite.

He liked being photographed
with people like Mother Teresa,

or better still, the queen.

I think he wanted the daughter,

in a way, he wanted to
live his life through her,

as this sort of society
figure that was accepted.

[Marina Cicogna] The
Cicogna family is typical

aristocratic Milanese family.

These families have been around
for quite a few centuries.

My name is Marina Cicogna.

Ghislaine Maxwell went out
with my brother's oldest son.

She was Gianfranco's girlfriend.

Gianfranco died very young.

Gianfranco was extremely
handsome, really.

He was like a film star.

They were very nice
together, you know.

She seemed to me to
be a normal, nice,

uh, well-brought-up
English girl.

From what uh, people tell me,

Robert Maxwell was delighted

about the relationship.

Gianfranco was the kind of guy

uh, that he would have liked,

probably, as a son-in-law.

And I have to say, who
wouldn't, you know?

He was a nice guy, he
came from a good family,

he had a good education.

I think Gianfranco felt,
from what I understand,

very spoilt by the
Maxwell family.

I understand that if
they go- went by a-a shop

and uh, he liked something,

he would find it in
his room the next day,

which for a while flattered him.

I asked, why did
the relationship

between Gianfranco and
Ghislaine end after four years?

Gianfranco felt a
little bit uncomfortable

with the fact that
they were, you know,

giving him presents
all the time,

and uh, he felt
uh, that they felt

that he could be bought.

From what I hear, he
thought it was too much.

But if he had been
just him and Ghislaine,

uh, it would have been easier.

[McElvoy] I certainly think that
there was a lot of trauma there

from her relationship
with her father.

I think she actually had to
work quite hard to please him.

She still had to turn up,
I think, at his bidding,

at Headington Hall.

[guests chattering]

I can remember Ghislaine
bringing people to meet him.

Her father expected it of her.

Ghislaine would be there, I
think, bringing in friends,

and a lot of them

women in their 20s,

and a crowd who
would liven it up

and make the party
look- look great

in the pages of a sort
of glossy magazine.

[play classical music]

Have you got drinks?
Have you been...?

And then there would
be Robert Maxwell

and his publishing cronies.

Then Ghislaine would sort of

bring someone to
meet her father,

and the impression
that you got was that

whether by preselection or
whether she just had to choose.

And I think this was her role.

Who would he like to talk to?

Who would he find interesting?

It was more like a court.

She was playing a part which
was way older than she was.

It sounds very privileged.

I think she had to
earn her father's love.

And the similarities, that
desire to please a man,

a powerful man, who
also enabled her

to live the way that
she wanted to live,

is really, I think,
that's the thread for me

throughout all of this.

She's still, you know,

she's still the-the same
person, in many ways,

but I think also,
what has happened,

and what she's been involved in,

then something must have
changed along the way.

And I think that's
the hardest thing

to put your finger on here.

[ticking]

After Oxford,

I remember her wanting to try
her hand at her own business.

She then started to
fly to New York a lot,

and she had a life on both
sides of the Atlantic.

It was also a time when a
lot of very ambitious people,

there was a bit of a pipeline

from that Oxford
set to New York.

I think she wanted to be seen
to make a mark somewhere,

and in a sense having two
cities at her disposal

probably suited her rather well.

[siren wails]

The new owner of the Daily
News, Bob Maxwell. Bob...

[crowd cheering]

[Tim Walker] She
was in New York,

involved in trying to make
something of the paper

for an American audience.

She was often on the
arm of her father, uh,

I think maybe as a kind of
fashion accessory, almost,

'cause Bob probably
thought that Betty,

to who he was then estranged,

wasn't a suitable person
for him to be seen with.

Betty at that point was older,

and I think he liked being seen

in the company of
somebody who was younger.

Bob and Ghislaine, they
were almost like a team,

the two of them.

They seemed to have their
own kind of language.

They seemed to be on their own
wavelength, their own level.

And I think he saw her

as kind of his representative.

[Maloney] When I would
see them together,

she was very dominant,

like a chip off the old block,

and would almost
be playing a part,

almost copying her father.

The way that he
wanted something,

he had a particular
way of going about it.

She gained that knowledge
from her father,

and now she was using it to
her advantage with her father.

[Christina Oxenberg]
I was at a wedding.

I was with my first husband.

And this was a-a
wedding in America,

very fancy,

and out of the crowd

burst Ghislaine,

advancing on my husband.

And then she juts her, um,

generous chin my way

and says, "What is this?"

She loops her arm
through husband's arm

and walks him off
into the crowd.

She was clearly intent on being

the dominant member
of the setting.

My first impression of her was
that this is a ridiculous person

who has an inflated ego,

who thinks that
she can be uh, rude

and there will be
no consequences.

[Ken Lennox] I was working for
theDaily Mirror at the time.

I was shown into
the editor's office,

and he said, "Close the door."

"What I'm gonna tell you must
not get out of this office."

"The old man's gone missing
from the back of his yacht,

and there's a search
going for him just now."

"You're going to go
up onto the roof,

board the company helicopter."

"Your job is not to
take photographs,

it's to look after
Betty Maxwell."

Good evening.

The millionaire
newspaper publisher

Robert Maxwell is dead.

He disappeared overboard
from his private yacht

early this morning while
cruising off the Canary Islands.

[reporter] Tonight, as the
Lady Ghislaine lay at berth,

the gathering of Robert
Maxwell's family was completed

with the arrival of the daughter

after whom he had named
his fateful yacht.

[Lennox] When she came aboard
and met Betty, her mother,

she was...

howling about her daddy.

Tears streaming down her face.

She was almost
incoherent at that stage.

She kept calling,
"My daddy, my daddy,"

you know, this sort of thing.

And uh, it was hard to
listen to, you know?

It was... distressing.

Suddenly she's confronted
with a huge disaster

which was way beyond anything

she would have been
expected to cope with.

It was almost as if somebody
had ripped her heart out of her.

I also want to take
this opportunity

to thank all the many
hundreds of people

who have sent

messages of support to us

at this very, very sad time.

[man] We are here
today to bid farewell

to my father, Robert Maxwell.

Ghislaine was very, very
upset at the funeral.

She wasn't crying
floods of tears.

You could see her head was bowed

and she was in deep thought.

Was she thinking,
"Crikey, you know,

what am I going to do now?"

Not only was she losing

her beloved father,

she was losing a lifestyle.

Now... who's going
to supply all that?

[theme music]

Good evening. The
headlines at six o'clock.

Robert Maxwell's business
empire is collapsing tonight.

Mirror Group newspapers said that
in the weeks before his death,

Mr. Maxwell removed £350
million from its pension fund

without apparent
proper authority.

[reporter] In the four weeks
since Robert Maxwell died,

it's become all too clear that
he spent the past 20 years

proving those who said he was
unfit to run a public company

absolutely right.

[Mariella Frostrup] The whole
Maxwell story was toxic here.

It entered a room
before she did.

[reporter] Sunday Mirror staff
were not surprised to hear

that offices were bugged.

Everyone knew who she was,

what had happened,
who her father was.

People believed they were
hateful, awful people.

A Spanish judge says
Robert Maxwell's death

appears to have been accidental.

[reporter] Speculation about the
way he died has been intense.

Others want to uncover
the facts of a death

which they see as suspicious.

It devastated their family.

And I think it really
devastated Ghislaine.

[newsreader] Loss adjusters for the
insurers of Robert Maxwell's life

believe he probably
committed suicide,

although they say the
evidence is not conclusive.

[Mariella Frostrup] I imagine
that she went to America

to get away from that,
to dump that baggage

and try and be unfettered
and free again, and...

Yeah... That's not
what happened, is it?

[ticking]

[Ghislaine] I'm extremely sad
that my father is no longer here,

and for all the difficult times

for everybody that's
been involved.

But I don't feel in any way

smaller or lesser than
what I was before.

I remember phoning
up a mutual friend

who'd gone round to see her

very soon after Robert
Maxwell's death,

and who'd found her
very distraught at home,

with Maxwell memorabilia,
really, family photos,

but also sort of trophies
of his business life

spread around her,

and absolutely determined

to oppose the version of events

that he'd committed suicide.

[Ghislaine] I always believe in
the end that the truth will out,

and that uh, eventually

the true story, such as it is,

will be...

people will know more than...

than what they currently do.

It's-it'll take time. It'll
take time, that's all.

[Christina Oxenberg] The next
time I ran into Ghislaine,

it was in New York
City in a restaurant.

She was much more demure.

She was much more subdued.

There was none of
that arrogance.

And I thought, "Be nice."

"She's gone through
something horrible."

"Let's give her
a second chance."

Some time after
running into Ghislaine,

she called me and invited
me to a tea party.

I remember it was
a hot summer day.

She kept declaring, "I
am broke, I'm broke."

"Can you believe that
this has happened to me?"

But the signs didn't add up.

She's um, in the
smartest part of town.

I mean, if I'm
broke and depressed,

I'm not throwing tea parties.

I'm, you know, at home
in my pajamas, crying,

like a normal person.

There were three
British girls there,

and then we had
Ghislaine, the hostess,

and she's remarkably
only wearing her panties.

But altogether shocking.

It was a white frilly bra

and underwear.

And she had paired this outfit

with a massive amount of
very expensive jewelry

and a full face of makeup.

So it was clearly an
intentional outfit.

She drew attention
to it repeatedly.

But everyone was
overlooking the fact

that it's completely abnormal.

None of us took our clothes off.

My takeaway was I was right
the first time I met her.

The dynamic that she's always
looking for is to be in control,

to be the-the most important
person in the room,

and if she has to strip
naked to do it, she'll do it.

[Jesse Kornbluth] I didn't know Ghislaine
until the night she propositioned me.

In 1992 I ran into Ghislaine

at a party given by Joan Rivers.

And I'm standing to the side
and Ghislaine comes over to me,

and within really three minutes,

what happened was so dazzling,

in this one sentence, which is,

"You know, if you lose 10
pounds, I'll fuck you".

The thing about Ghislaine
propositioning me

when my wife was within
four to five feet away

is that it was brazen.

It was so, as the Brits
would say, cheeky.

Talk about a power play.
That was a power play.

She was seducing me. She knew
how to work a room of guys.

She was putting it out there.

If it didn't work with me,

it would work on
someone else, right?

I was just a-a
notch on her belt.

It never happened to me before.
It never happened to me since.

It was a complete one-off,

but, then, so was Ghislaine.

There are many friends and
people out there who-who help.

You can never have too many
friends or too much help

in a situation like this.

[Anne McElvoy] It's always
been a bit of a mystery

when Ghislaine Maxwell first
met Jeffrey Epstein and how,

but we know they got together
when she was in New York.

She met Jeffrey Epstein

and became involved

in a relationship with him,

very quickly after
her father's death.

Epstein was probably one
of them in those circles

who's respected most of
all for getting very rich,

and that mattered to her.

I think she respected that,

and that was one of
the things that...

that drew her to Epstein.

[Korbluth] The only sin in
New York is not to have money.

Jeffrey could give, really, one
of the-the best five minutes

that you're gonna
find at a party.

He was engaging, he was
ironic, he was witty.

He listened to you. He didn't
look over your shoulder.

In the '80s, he told
me some stuff he did,

like, sometimes he helped people

get money from African despots
who had stolen their money,

and sometimes he worked
with African despots

to help them keep the
money they had stolen.

And I thought,
"interesting guy".

I saw him again in his office,

which was large and empty.

If a computer was on his
desk, it was invisible.

Uh, he was a sort
of lord and master.

And I said, "Jeffrey, I
need to see you work."

[Leland Nally] You know,
Epstein as an enigma,

I mean, even close
friends of his

had no idea where
his money came from.

I know about Ghislaine Maxwell
from an article that I wrote

where I called everybody in
Epstein's little black book.

The book itself is
Jeffrey Epstein's

personal contact book.

There's celebrities
and scientists

and Nobel prize winners and
influential business people,

and it's a-a very
considerable cross-section

of the global
elite, essentially.

[Nally over recording] The reason why
I'm calling is 'cause you were uh, listed

as a contact in
his contact book.

[Stuart Pivar] I was? Oh. I thought
he knew my telephone number by heart.

[Nally] Stuart Pivar was one
of the first people I talked to

who actually knew Epstein
in any sort of real way.

[Nally laughs] Oh. Oh, really?
So you did know him well.

[Pivar] Well, Jeffrey Epstein
was my best pal for decades.

[Nally] Ghislaine came up firstly
in the actual text of the book,

and also about a quarter
of the people in the book,

I would estimate uh, knew
her but didn't know Epstein.

In trying to figure out who Epstein
was, I couldn't help but figure out

who Ghislaine
Maxwell was as well.

[Pivar] He appointed me
in charge of Ghislaine

while she was...
well, profoundly,

almost suicidally...
uh, depressed

from the death of her father.

He didn't want her
to kill herself,

so it was my job to
try to amuse her,

and to take to-to dinner
and lunch and what have you,

until she finally came around.

[McElvoy] She said to
someone I-I knew well,

that, you know, she
felt that he'd saved her

after her father's death.

And I think that was
partly emotional.

I'd like to think that I'll be
able to do something positive.

I can't say what it is right
now 'cause I'm working on it,

and until I've done it...

[McElvoy] I think she wanted a
reason to ground herself in New York,

in society, have a purpose
there, have a life there.

That relationship with
Jeffrey Epstein offered that,

so she took that opportunity.

[Christina Oxenberg] In
1993, I had a strange little,

very short PR job,

and that's why I
spent three months

in the company of
Jeffrey and Ghislaine.

I had occasion to
hear out of her mouth

an effort that she was making

to convince me that
they were a couple,

but I knew that they weren't,

because I could see
with my own eyes

that there was no reciprocity

of romantic feelings.

There was no lingering looks.

There was no touching
on the... Nothing.

She was an employee.
He was the boss.

Ghislaine's job was to
bring her father's contacts,

deliver them to Jeffrey,

in return for
giving her the life

that she always
thought she would have,

lost, and was now replacing.

One day I say to her,

"Gosh, Ghislaine, how are you
keeping yourself so thin?"

And she says, "Jeffrey
likes his girls thin."

"How do you do it?"

And she says,

"Well, did you ever see
anyone in a concentration camp

with any weight on them?"

And she's laughing
in her delivery.

And she says "Well,
they didn't eat,

so I call it the Nazi diet."

"I just don't eat."

This was too important to her.

Him, the job,

everything was, like,
pathologically important.

Everything was for Jeffrey.

She did say to me, "The
reason Jeffrey keeps me around

is I don't make mistakes."

That's when you
start to realize,

well, what are we
dealing with here?

Many people have
lost their money,

you know, become impoverished.

They don't all turn to crime.
It's not the next step.

What I realized, very
late in the game, was...

she's evil, she's evil
and she's dangerous.