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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,395 --> 00:00:22,062 Subtitles: swsub.com (1.00) 2 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:30,074 Someone needs to stop Clearway Law. Public shouldn't leave reviews for lawyers. 3 00:00:31,421 --> 00:00:32,888 We got issue in America... 4 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:35,988 Too many good docs are getting out of business. 5 00:00:36,614 --> 00:00:39,881 Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their 6 00:00:40,100 --> 00:00:42,487 Their love with women all across this country. 7 00:00:50,139 --> 00:00:52,243 I don't have a job. I don't want to have more debts. 8 00:00:52,371 --> 00:00:54,637 I don't pay off anything else I already have out there. 9 00:00:58,323 --> 00:01:00,035 This is Adam. 10 00:01:13,016 --> 00:01:15,236 He had and accident. 11 00:01:26,723 --> 00:01:31,691 He's one of nearly 50 million Americans, with no health insurance. 12 00:01:44,623 --> 00:01:47,108 But this film, isn't about Adam. 13 00:01:51,511 --> 00:01:55,080 So this is the table saw. It was spinning that way... 14 00:01:55,286 --> 00:01:56,401 This is Rick. 15 00:02:00,384 --> 00:02:02,110 I was gripping a piece of wood. 16 00:02:02,232 --> 00:02:04,066 and I grabbed it here and it hit a knot... 17 00:02:04,188 --> 00:02:06,731 He sawed off the tops of two of his fingers. 18 00:02:08,208 --> 00:02:09,704 ... and it was that quick. 19 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:13,745 His first thought? 20 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:15,883 I don't have insurance, how much will it cost? 21 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:17,473 Am I gonna have to pay cash for this? 22 00:02:17,595 --> 00:02:19,324 2 or 3 thousand dollars or more? 23 00:02:19,470 --> 00:02:21,212 And does it mean we're not gonna get a car? 24 00:02:23,663 --> 00:02:25,922 Rick also doesn't have health coverage. 25 00:02:26,411 --> 00:02:28,445 So the hospital gave him a choice. 26 00:02:28,748 --> 00:02:30,460 Reattach the middle finger, 27 00:02:30,587 --> 00:02:32,337 for $60,000, 28 00:02:32,611 --> 00:02:34,020 or do the ring finger, 29 00:02:34,474 --> 00:02:35,912 for $12,000. 30 00:02:36,137 --> 00:02:37,467 It's an awful feeling. 31 00:02:37,725 --> 00:02:41,021 to just try to put a value on your body. 32 00:02:46,031 --> 00:02:47,674 Being a hopeless romantic, 33 00:02:48,095 --> 00:02:49,875 Rick chose the ring finger, 34 00:02:50,129 --> 00:02:52,652 for the bargain price of twelve grand. 35 00:02:53,063 --> 00:02:54,833 The top of his middle finger 36 00:02:55,068 --> 00:02:56,786 now enjoys its new home, 37 00:02:57,023 --> 00:02:58,950 in an Oregon land fill. 38 00:03:06,402 --> 00:03:08,026 I can do that thing, where, you know 39 00:03:08,153 --> 00:03:10,158 the old man used to like pull the finger off. 40 00:03:16,710 --> 00:03:19,744 But this movie isn't about Rick either. 41 00:03:20,143 --> 00:03:24,221 Yes, they are nearly 50 million Americans with no health insurance. 42 00:03:24,407 --> 00:03:26,637 They pray everyday they don't get sick, 43 00:03:27,076 --> 00:03:29,815 because 18 thousand of them will die this year, 44 00:03:30,089 --> 00:03:32,358 simply because, they're uninsured. 45 00:03:34,749 --> 00:03:36,793 But this movie isn't about them. 46 00:03:37,497 --> 00:03:40,001 It's about the 250 million of you, 47 00:03:40,274 --> 00:03:41,898 who have health insurance. 48 00:03:42,675 --> 00:03:44,308 Those of you who are living 49 00:03:44,709 --> 00:03:46,264 the American dream... 50 00:03:56,814 --> 00:03:57,958 It's moving day, 51 00:03:58,740 --> 00:03:59,982 for Larry 52 00:04:00,403 --> 00:04:01,792 and Donna Smith. 53 00:04:05,752 --> 00:04:09,694 They've packed everything they own, in these two cars. 54 00:04:11,875 --> 00:04:14,261 And are driving to Denver, Colorado, 55 00:04:16,315 --> 00:04:17,820 to their new home... 56 00:04:21,752 --> 00:04:24,024 ... in their daughter's storage room. 57 00:04:24,196 --> 00:04:26,645 This is home sweet home. 58 00:04:28,186 --> 00:04:31,323 - Look at all that. - We'll get everything organized. 59 00:04:32,169 --> 00:04:33,169 We will... 60 00:04:33,296 --> 00:04:36,047 - What do we do with the computer? - It stays there. 61 00:04:37,717 --> 00:04:42,584 So, this is where Heather talked about we might have to put our bunk beds. 62 00:04:42,788 --> 00:04:45,173 I see what she's talking about. 63 00:04:46,489 --> 00:04:49,765 It wasn't suppose to end-up like this for Larry and Donna. 64 00:04:51,046 --> 00:04:53,216 They both had good jobs. 65 00:04:54,366 --> 00:04:56,300 She was a newspaper editor 66 00:04:57,686 --> 00:04:59,544 And he was a Union machinist. 67 00:05:00,608 --> 00:05:01,886 They raised six kids 68 00:05:02,058 --> 00:05:05,345 who all went to fine schools like the University of Chicago. 69 00:05:07,322 --> 00:05:09,195 But Larry had a heart attack... 70 00:05:10,172 --> 00:05:11,773 and then another one... 71 00:05:12,643 --> 00:05:14,663 and then another one. 72 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:18,487 And then Donna got cancer. 73 00:05:20,303 --> 00:05:22,913 And even though they had health insurance, 74 00:05:23,053 --> 00:05:25,964 the co pays and the deductibles soon ended up. 75 00:05:26,609 --> 00:05:30,151 To the point where they could no longer afford to keep their home. 76 00:05:31,226 --> 00:05:33,078 Alright, if somebody had told me 10 years ago 77 00:05:33,250 --> 00:05:35,345 this was gonna happen to us because of healthcare, 78 00:05:35,544 --> 00:05:37,757 I would have said you're... : "it's not possible. 79 00:05:38,009 --> 00:05:40,534 "Not in the US, we wouldn't let that happen to people." 80 00:05:40,663 --> 00:05:41,683 My God... 81 00:05:47,281 --> 00:05:49,430 - Are we gonna quit? - No. 82 00:05:50,805 --> 00:05:52,183 It's just hard. 83 00:05:53,505 --> 00:05:55,009 They were bankrupt. 84 00:05:56,405 --> 00:05:58,618 So they moved in, with their daughter. 85 00:05:59,172 --> 00:06:00,847 We've got it all figured out. 86 00:06:02,384 --> 00:06:04,167 We emptied the dresser so you have a spot. 87 00:06:04,317 --> 00:06:06,144 Nice, very nice. 88 00:06:09,275 --> 00:06:11,177 Even their son Danny popped-in 89 00:06:11,299 --> 00:06:14,103 from across town to welcome them to Denver. 90 00:06:14,469 --> 00:06:16,210 What do we do about people like you guys. 91 00:06:16,332 --> 00:06:18,980 - I don't know, that's a good question. - Seriously. 92 00:06:19,108 --> 00:06:21,978 Who will pay the deductible for 9,000$ is what I'm trying to understand. 93 00:06:22,208 --> 00:06:23,626 that's part of healthcare. 94 00:06:23,798 --> 00:06:25,459 What about the people like Cathy and I 95 00:06:25,581 --> 00:06:28,157 that have to come up there and move you every 5 years, 96 00:06:28,303 --> 00:06:30,788 every 2 years, every year because you don�t have enough money 97 00:06:30,935 --> 00:06:33,497 - to stay where you are. - That's what Russell keeps saying too. 98 00:06:33,631 --> 00:06:36,951 I'm sorry it's not what we wanted to have happen in life. 99 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:40,152 And we're doing all what we can to make the change. 100 00:06:40,335 --> 00:06:42,587 You don't know what that feels like inside 101 00:06:42,709 --> 00:06:44,933 at fifty some years old, 102 00:06:45,159 --> 00:06:47,978 to have to reach out to my twenty-something year old 103 00:06:48,150 --> 00:06:49,150 for help. 104 00:06:49,396 --> 00:06:53,822 It's gonna be hard for 4, 5, 6, 7 month, it's gonna be hard. 105 00:06:54,059 --> 00:06:56,409 Now I'm having an overwhelming feeling 106 00:06:56,610 --> 00:06:59,361 of you bring your problems with you no matter where you go. 107 00:06:59,980 --> 00:07:01,054 Yeah. 108 00:07:02,128 --> 00:07:04,040 But I don't know what to do about that. 109 00:07:09,802 --> 00:07:12,564 By sheer coincidence their daughter's husband, Paul, 110 00:07:12,713 --> 00:07:16,051 was leaving on a job the very same day they arrived. 111 00:07:16,173 --> 00:07:17,430 We gotta go. 112 00:07:18,730 --> 00:07:20,227 Paul was a contractor. 113 00:07:20,463 --> 00:07:22,597 But they weren't many job lately. 114 00:07:22,719 --> 00:07:24,481 So he found work out of town. 115 00:07:25,533 --> 00:07:30,391 I'm sure you'll keep a telephone on most days, you know. 116 00:07:42,848 --> 00:07:45,351 Weird situation, ain't it? 117 00:07:48,867 --> 00:07:50,585 You can tell me where dad is going? 118 00:07:50,757 --> 00:07:52,100 Iraq... 119 00:07:53,185 --> 00:07:55,098 Why is daddy going to Iraq? 120 00:07:55,570 --> 00:07:57,354 To do some plumbing. 121 00:08:06,973 --> 00:08:10,964 This I do earlier in the morning. The first thing I do is I clean here. 122 00:08:13,701 --> 00:08:18,450 At age 79, Frank Cardeal, should be kicking back on a beach somewhere. 123 00:08:18,869 --> 00:08:21,802 But even though he's insured by Medicare, 124 00:08:22,188 --> 00:08:24,853 it doesn't cover all the cost of the drugs 125 00:08:24,986 --> 00:08:26,576 that he and his wife need. 126 00:08:30,507 --> 00:08:32,468 Being that I'm an employee here 127 00:08:33,156 --> 00:08:36,744 my medicine is for free. So that's why I gotta keep working. 128 00:08:38,339 --> 00:08:39,574 Until I die. 129 00:08:40,058 --> 00:08:41,626 There is nothing wrong with that. 130 00:08:44,344 --> 00:08:47,814 I always gotta keep my ears open because there's always spillage's. 131 00:08:48,297 --> 00:08:50,392 Sometime you get a gallon of milk. 132 00:08:51,037 --> 00:08:56,075 Tomato Sauce, oh, you're in trouble, it'll take half an hour to clean that up 133 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,211 And I look on every aisle to be sure every thing is clean 134 00:09:00,394 --> 00:09:03,718 and if I seen something I pick it up whether it's paper or garbage 135 00:09:06,566 --> 00:09:08,295 One day I had the keys in my hand, 136 00:09:08,532 --> 00:09:10,089 and they went in there. 137 00:09:10,594 --> 00:09:13,280 And I had to climb in there to get the keys out. 138 00:09:17,372 --> 00:09:19,219 It's a sad situation. 139 00:09:21,078 --> 00:09:24,050 If there are golden years, I can find them, 140 00:09:24,172 --> 00:09:25,902 I'll tell you that. 141 00:09:28,741 --> 00:09:30,714 She had a painkiller for her hip. 142 00:09:30,878 --> 00:09:33,802 The bill's suffering... This is two hundred and thirteen dollars 143 00:09:33,924 --> 00:09:36,986 - What, for a painkiller? - I didn't take it. 144 00:09:37,114 --> 00:09:39,795 I backed off, I said no, I gotta come back. 145 00:09:40,053 --> 00:09:43,199 What's in it? What's in theses new drug that they all prescribe? 146 00:09:43,321 --> 00:09:44,323 That's why I say, 147 00:09:44,460 --> 00:09:46,698 I believe you need the half of the things they tell you. 148 00:09:46,844 --> 00:09:48,388 Because I have never taken medication. 149 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:50,896 And now, as I'm getting older, 150 00:09:51,018 --> 00:09:53,016 I don't even like to take an aspirin. 151 00:09:53,392 --> 00:09:54,955 I do like a little Brandy. 152 00:10:00,810 --> 00:10:02,332 I don't really know how this happened 153 00:10:02,454 --> 00:10:06,031 but the trunk kind of came forward into the back seat. 154 00:10:06,472 --> 00:10:09,723 Laura Burnem was in a 45 miles an hour head on collision 155 00:10:09,869 --> 00:10:11,166 that knocked her out cold. 156 00:10:11,499 --> 00:10:13,048 Paramedics get her out of the car 157 00:10:13,170 --> 00:10:16,033 and into an ambulance for a trip to the hospital. 158 00:10:16,226 --> 00:10:18,923 I get a bill from my insurance company, 159 00:10:19,191 --> 00:10:21,315 telling me that the ambulance ride 160 00:10:21,497 --> 00:10:25,137 was not going to be paid for because it wasn't pre approuved. 161 00:10:25,575 --> 00:10:28,733 I don't know exactly when I was supposed to pre approuve it, you know... 162 00:10:29,292 --> 00:10:31,548 like after I gain consciousness in the car, 163 00:10:31,712 --> 00:10:33,567 before I got in the ambulance or, 164 00:10:34,416 --> 00:10:37,080 I should I've grab my cell phone off from the street 165 00:10:37,204 --> 00:10:39,943 and call while I was in the ambulance-- I mean 166 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:41,404 it's just crazy. 167 00:10:46,226 --> 00:10:48,492 I've applied for Healthnet insurance, for Jason. 168 00:10:48,793 --> 00:10:52,983 They rejected him because of his height and weight. 169 00:10:53,219 --> 00:10:56,265 Jason is six feet tall and a hundred and thirty pounds. 170 00:11:00,262 --> 00:11:03,184 I applied for health care through BlueCross BlueShield 171 00:11:03,323 --> 00:11:07,180 and they answer me that my body mass index was two high. 172 00:11:07,416 --> 00:11:10,165 I'm five one, I weight a hundred and seventy five pounds 173 00:11:14,316 --> 00:11:17,808 I always thought that health insurance companies were there to help us. 174 00:11:19,269 --> 00:11:21,321 So I posted a note on the internet, 175 00:11:21,739 --> 00:11:24,471 asking people if they had had any similar stories 176 00:11:24,593 --> 00:11:27,215 about problems with their insurance company. 177 00:11:29,225 --> 00:11:33,597 Within 24 hours, I had over 3,700 responses, 178 00:11:33,973 --> 00:11:35,445 and by the end of the week, 179 00:11:35,595 --> 00:11:40,483 over 25.000 people had sent me their healthcare horror stories. 180 00:11:42,327 --> 00:11:45,505 Some of them decided not to wait for me to get back to them. 181 00:11:46,343 --> 00:11:50,183 Like Dough Noe, who decided to take matters into his own hands, 182 00:11:50,387 --> 00:11:51,999 without my permission. 183 00:11:53,545 --> 00:11:57,617 His daughter Annette was 9 months old when they discovered she as going deaf. 184 00:11:58,337 --> 00:12:00,512 His health insurance company, CIGNA, 185 00:12:00,781 --> 00:12:03,767 said they'd pay for an implant in only one of her ears. 186 00:12:04,213 --> 00:12:05,996 According to the letter they sent, 187 00:12:06,190 --> 00:12:09,762 it's experimental, for her to ear in two ears. 188 00:12:10,374 --> 00:12:13,232 If a Cochlear implant is good for one ear, 189 00:12:13,699 --> 00:12:17,502 it doesn't even make any sense that it wouldn't be good for the second ear. 190 00:12:17,861 --> 00:12:21,417 Especially when a child is just starting to learn how to talk, 191 00:12:21,546 --> 00:12:24,285 she has to learn from both sides of her head. 192 00:12:27,173 --> 00:12:29,919 That's when he sat down to write CIGNA a letter. 193 00:12:30,041 --> 00:12:32,598 This is to CIGNA. "Noted filmmaker, 194 00:12:32,813 --> 00:12:34,741 "Michael Moore is now in the process 195 00:12:34,887 --> 00:12:36,859 "of gathering information for his next film. 196 00:12:36,981 --> 00:12:38,688 "I've sent along information concerning 197 00:12:38,848 --> 00:12:40,912 CIGNA's lack of caring for its policy holders. 198 00:12:41,278 --> 00:12:43,803 "Has your C.E.O ever been in a film before?" 199 00:12:46,188 --> 00:12:47,659 Before he knew it, 200 00:12:48,035 --> 00:12:51,451 he received a call in his voice mail from CIGNA headquarters. 201 00:12:51,655 --> 00:12:54,441 Tuesday 8:54 am. 202 00:13:14,341 --> 00:13:15,921 Obviously all this worked 203 00:13:16,043 --> 00:13:19,738 because Annette is going to get her second implant in July. 204 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:23,691 - Dear Mike, I work in the industry... - I work for an HMO... 205 00:13:23,813 --> 00:13:27,460 I started to get hundreds of letters of a different sort 206 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,587 from people who work inside the health care industry. 207 00:13:30,792 --> 00:13:33,258 - I want to tell you, I hate HMOs. - They'd seen everything. 208 00:13:33,404 --> 00:13:35,364 - And they were fed up. - ... a corrupt system. 209 00:13:35,510 --> 00:13:38,159 Health insurance companies suck. Flat suck. 210 00:13:38,965 --> 00:13:40,673 Like Becky Melky 211 00:13:40,974 --> 00:13:43,058 who was in charge of keeping sick people away 212 00:13:43,348 --> 00:13:45,819 from one of America�s top insurance companies. 213 00:13:46,168 --> 00:13:48,307 I work in a call center, so people call in 214 00:13:48,435 --> 00:13:50,428 and their asking for insurance quotes. 215 00:13:50,567 --> 00:13:52,957 They are certain preexisting conditions 216 00:13:53,226 --> 00:13:57,147 basically, industry-wide that will not be covered, diabetes, 217 00:13:57,763 --> 00:14:00,115 heart deceases, certain forms of cancer, 218 00:14:00,319 --> 00:14:01,968 that if you have these conditions 219 00:14:02,108 --> 00:14:04,708 you almost likely not going to get your health insurance. 220 00:14:05,073 --> 00:14:07,887 How long is this list of conditions that would make you ineligible? 221 00:14:08,596 --> 00:14:10,111 It's a very long list. 222 00:14:10,584 --> 00:14:11,959 A long list... 223 00:14:12,995 --> 00:14:15,176 You could wrap around this house... 224 00:14:41,370 --> 00:14:43,899 Sometimes you know ahead of time that they're gonna be declined 225 00:14:44,031 --> 00:14:46,166 at the end of the application, and you're like 226 00:14:47,345 --> 00:14:50,057 God, you know like one time I got a couple, 227 00:14:50,361 --> 00:14:52,315 and they were so happy to get... 228 00:14:52,443 --> 00:14:56,881 They were so happy that they were... I took them through this application. 229 00:14:57,688 --> 00:15:01,088 And the husband was late for work. 230 00:15:01,452 --> 00:15:04,529 And the wife said to him don't worry baby, it's gonna be okay because... 231 00:15:05,193 --> 00:15:06,520 we have health insurance now. 232 00:15:07,122 --> 00:15:08,808 And when I looked at their application, 233 00:15:08,973 --> 00:15:10,818 I could tell they were both gonna get declined 234 00:15:10,945 --> 00:15:13,465 because of their health conditions. And they were so happy... 235 00:15:13,977 --> 00:15:17,036 I thought God, they're gonna get that phone call in a couple of weeks 236 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,434 telling them that they're not eligible for insurance. 237 00:15:21,679 --> 00:15:24,087 And I just felt so bad because I just really thought 238 00:15:24,277 --> 00:15:26,505 and I knew and I couldn't say anything to them. 239 00:15:27,951 --> 00:15:28,951 I just felt like crap. 240 00:15:29,987 --> 00:15:32,078 And that's why I'm such a bitch on the phone 241 00:15:32,205 --> 00:15:35,000 to people, because I don't wanna get to know them, I don't wanna... 242 00:15:35,229 --> 00:15:37,173 I don't wanna know about their lives, I just... 243 00:15:37,341 --> 00:15:40,084 wanna get in, and get out, and get done with it because I can't... 244 00:15:40,723 --> 00:15:42,845 I can't take the stress I'm... 245 00:15:43,262 --> 00:15:46,082 In spite of Becky being a bit of a pain on the phone, 246 00:15:47,016 --> 00:15:48,725 a quarter of billion Americans 247 00:15:49,142 --> 00:15:51,268 are still able to get health insurance. 248 00:15:54,046 --> 00:15:55,046 Call toll free. 249 00:15:55,947 --> 00:15:58,708 Let's meet some of these happy insured customers, 250 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:01,105 like Maria, who has Blue Shield, 251 00:16:01,363 --> 00:16:03,906 and Diane, who has Horizon Blue Cross. 252 00:16:04,442 --> 00:16:06,667 Laura has insurance through BCS, 253 00:16:06,886 --> 00:16:09,379 and Amy is fully insured by Megalife. 254 00:16:09,980 --> 00:16:12,543 And it's good thing that they're all fully covered, 255 00:16:12,731 --> 00:16:15,890 I ended out being diagnosed with rachio-cancer. 256 00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:17,146 Brain tumor. 257 00:16:17,329 --> 00:16:18,332 Breast cancer. 258 00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:20,032 Brain tumor on the right temporal lobe. 259 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,432 Because they were insured, 260 00:16:21,849 --> 00:16:24,631 they got the red carpet treatment at the doctor's office. 261 00:16:24,788 --> 00:16:26,159 She requested 262 00:16:26,398 --> 00:16:28,663 for me to see a neurologist. 263 00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:30,927 The way they were gonna treat it was to remove it. 264 00:16:31,066 --> 00:16:32,874 The surgery was scheduled for December 9th. 265 00:16:33,073 --> 00:16:35,924 I was waiting for my first dose of chemo. 266 00:16:36,346 --> 00:16:38,253 They got their treatment, all right, 267 00:16:38,551 --> 00:16:41,163 But not before battling with their insurance companies. 268 00:16:41,402 --> 00:16:42,812 My insurance company 269 00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:45,494 denied all IV drugs for me. 270 00:16:46,229 --> 00:16:48,196 And all I was getting was IV drugs. 271 00:16:48,370 --> 00:16:49,805 This was a preexisting condition. 272 00:16:50,003 --> 00:16:51,691 It's not medically necessary. 273 00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:53,877 We don't consider that life threatening. 274 00:16:54,473 --> 00:16:57,383 Diane died from her non-threatening tumor. 275 00:16:57,974 --> 00:17:00,696 Laura's cancer is now spread throughout her body. 276 00:17:01,322 --> 00:17:03,428 Amy's cancer found its way through the brain 277 00:17:03,557 --> 00:17:05,256 and killed her a couple of years later. 278 00:17:05,484 --> 00:17:07,133 While vacationing in Japan, 279 00:17:07,321 --> 00:17:08,553 Maria became ill 280 00:17:08,851 --> 00:17:12,030 and got the MRI that Blue Shield of California 281 00:17:12,228 --> 00:17:13,659 had refused to approve. 282 00:17:14,354 --> 00:17:17,274 The doctors in Japan told her she had a brain tumor. 283 00:17:17,821 --> 00:17:20,860 Blue Shield had said repeatedly she didn't have a tumor. 284 00:17:22,181 --> 00:17:23,314 That's when she said... 285 00:17:23,646 --> 00:17:26,429 Well, I'm pretty sure I have a lawyer. 286 00:17:28,308 --> 00:17:30,501 March 13, 2003. 287 00:17:31,404 --> 00:17:33,997 Let me direct your attention to exhibit one. 288 00:17:34,712 --> 00:17:36,759 Please, describe for me what it is. 289 00:17:37,324 --> 00:17:41,278 It is a denial for referral 290 00:17:42,004 --> 00:17:43,374 to an ophthalmologist. 291 00:17:43,951 --> 00:17:46,434 - Is it your signature on the document? - Yes. 292 00:17:47,357 --> 00:17:49,569 Let me direct your attention to exhibit 2. 293 00:17:50,331 --> 00:17:52,794 This is a denial of... 294 00:17:53,668 --> 00:17:58,280 a request for referral for a Magnetic Resonance Imaging test of the brain. 295 00:17:58,761 --> 00:18:00,297 - It has your signature? - Yes. 296 00:18:00,847 --> 00:18:03,271 I'd like to direct your attention to exhibit 3. 297 00:18:03,470 --> 00:18:04,596 Please, read this document. 298 00:18:04,907 --> 00:18:08,007 This is a denial of a referral to 299 00:18:08,821 --> 00:18:10,350 a neurosurgeon. 300 00:18:11,165 --> 00:18:14,781 Can you explain for me how you came to sign 301 00:18:15,137 --> 00:18:16,507 the denial letter? 302 00:18:17,091 --> 00:18:20,087 This is a standard signature that's put on all denial letters. 303 00:18:20,315 --> 00:18:22,114 Is that your signature or is that stamp? 304 00:18:22,498 --> 00:18:23,498 That is a stamp. 305 00:18:23,694 --> 00:18:25,630 Did you ever see 306 00:18:25,977 --> 00:18:28,315 a denial letter 307 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:30,258 before your signature was stamped on it? 308 00:18:30,605 --> 00:18:33,180 No, but the denial letters are fundamentally 309 00:18:33,819 --> 00:18:34,952 the same there. 310 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:37,453 The denial letters that are sent out... 311 00:18:37,782 --> 00:18:39,152 - The answer is no. - No. 312 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,280 All right. 313 00:18:41,791 --> 00:18:43,947 The very definition of a medical director 314 00:18:44,143 --> 00:18:46,425 is somebody who can save the company a lot of money. 315 00:18:46,622 --> 00:18:50,056 Doctor Linda Pino was a medical reviewer for Humana. 316 00:18:50,993 --> 00:18:53,669 She left her job because she didn't like their way 317 00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:55,084 of doing business. 318 00:18:55,376 --> 00:18:59,403 You look at a particular case or a question at hand, 319 00:18:59,555 --> 00:19:02,733 and you start looking for ways to deny in order to save money. 320 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,993 I mean, that's your goal. So, you look to the language which says 321 00:19:06,130 --> 00:19:08,148 there's exclusion, and you say: "Ha, ha... 322 00:19:08,294 --> 00:19:10,193 "this is great, this is a technical denial." 323 00:19:10,613 --> 00:19:12,960 I don't have to get to any of the kind of muddy issue. 324 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:14,248 I can just deny it. 325 00:19:14,978 --> 00:19:16,964 The doctor with the highest percent of denials 326 00:19:17,129 --> 00:19:18,873 - was actually gonna get a bonus. - Really? 327 00:19:19,001 --> 00:19:20,901 That was the way they had set the system out. 328 00:19:21,124 --> 00:19:24,563 Any payment for a claim is referred to as a medical loss. 329 00:19:25,184 --> 00:19:27,339 That's the terminology the industry uses. 330 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:31,102 I mean, when you don't spend money on somebody, you deny their care, 331 00:19:31,412 --> 00:19:33,813 or you make a decision 332 00:19:33,941 --> 00:19:36,036 that brings money in and you don't have to spend it, 333 00:19:36,201 --> 00:19:37,598 it's a savings to the company. 334 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,955 This is Tarsha Harris. 335 00:19:42,430 --> 00:19:44,640 Blue Cross didn't deny her her treatment, 336 00:19:44,805 --> 00:19:47,106 and actually approved her operation. 337 00:19:49,974 --> 00:19:51,316 But then, they discovered 338 00:19:51,691 --> 00:19:53,097 that in a distant past, 339 00:19:53,426 --> 00:19:54,426 she had had... 340 00:19:55,198 --> 00:19:56,476 yeast infection. 341 00:19:58,971 --> 00:20:01,492 Apparently, it's common. Men, women can get 342 00:20:01,638 --> 00:20:02,697 a yeast infection. 343 00:20:02,990 --> 00:20:07,410 So, I was prescribed the yeast infection cream, general cream, 344 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:09,624 and it went away. 345 00:20:10,487 --> 00:20:12,277 She later applied for health insurance 346 00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:16,598 and that's what you're supposed to be disclosing, serious ailments. 347 00:20:16,741 --> 00:20:20,167 The yeast infection was independent and it's not a serious ailment. 348 00:20:20,295 --> 00:20:22,112 There was nothing else she could have done. 349 00:20:22,249 --> 00:20:25,304 It wasn't until they were gonna have to spend money that they looked. 350 00:20:25,940 --> 00:20:27,631 If they'd taken 5 minutes beforehand, 351 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:29,549 and wanted to clear up the yeast infection, 352 00:20:29,712 --> 00:20:32,507 they could've looked in her medical records or talked to her doctor. 353 00:20:32,670 --> 00:20:35,154 Because of the undisclosed yeast infection, 354 00:20:35,702 --> 00:20:38,095 Blue Cross dropped Tarsha Harris. 355 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:40,333 She thinks she's put this behind her. 356 00:20:40,634 --> 00:20:42,643 And then, Blue Cross changes their mind, 357 00:20:43,264 --> 00:20:45,191 tells the doctors we're taking the money back, 358 00:20:45,521 --> 00:20:47,585 go get the money from Tarsha. 359 00:20:48,773 --> 00:20:50,234 The fact in the matter is 360 00:20:50,636 --> 00:20:52,992 it was a yeast infection. That's all it was. 361 00:20:54,161 --> 00:20:55,238 I'm still a little bitter 362 00:20:55,731 --> 00:20:57,845 because I don't trust insurance companies now. 363 00:20:58,046 --> 00:21:01,712 To me, it seems they're always gonna be looking for a way out. 364 00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:04,551 You know, what happened to helping the person that's sick? 365 00:21:04,689 --> 00:21:06,707 Don't make their problems worse? 366 00:21:08,922 --> 00:21:10,529 This is Lee Inerm. 367 00:21:11,378 --> 00:21:14,684 If they weren't able to weed you out in the application process, 368 00:21:15,323 --> 00:21:17,935 or deny you the care your doctor said you needed, 369 00:21:18,793 --> 00:21:21,588 and somehow ended up paying for the operation, 370 00:21:23,195 --> 00:21:24,382 they send in Lee, 371 00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:25,953 their hitman. 372 00:21:26,327 --> 00:21:28,993 His job is to get the company's money back 373 00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:30,655 any way he can. 374 00:21:31,303 --> 00:21:32,454 All he has to do 375 00:21:32,618 --> 00:21:35,084 is find one slip up on your application 376 00:21:35,604 --> 00:21:37,231 or a preexisting condition 377 00:21:37,686 --> 00:21:39,020 you didn't know you had. 378 00:21:39,641 --> 00:21:42,362 We're gonna go after this like it's a murder case. 379 00:21:43,271 --> 00:21:45,801 And I mean my whole unit dedicated 380 00:21:45,992 --> 00:21:49,901 to going through your health history for the last five years, 381 00:21:50,038 --> 00:21:52,705 looking for anything that would indicated 382 00:21:52,833 --> 00:21:56,504 that you concealed something, you misrepresented something, 383 00:21:56,668 --> 00:21:58,659 so that they can cancel the policy, 384 00:21:59,261 --> 00:22:02,731 or chart the rate so high you can't pay them. 385 00:22:04,022 --> 00:22:06,682 And if we didn't find anything you didn't disclose 386 00:22:06,809 --> 00:22:11,804 on the application, you can still get hit with a preexisting denial. 387 00:22:12,435 --> 00:22:15,512 Because you don't even have to have sought medical treatment for it. 388 00:22:16,042 --> 00:22:18,106 In some states, it's legal to have what's called 389 00:22:18,252 --> 00:22:20,782 "Prudent Person Preexisting Condition", 390 00:22:21,019 --> 00:22:22,864 and that's a mouthful, I know, 391 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,174 but what that says is if prior to your insurance kicking in, 392 00:22:27,420 --> 00:22:30,379 you had any symptom, which would incline 393 00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:35,233 a normally prudent person to have sought medical care, 394 00:22:36,338 --> 00:22:40,280 then, the condition of which that symptom was a symptom 395 00:22:41,275 --> 00:22:42,407 is excluded. 396 00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:46,750 I know! 397 00:22:48,334 --> 00:22:51,732 It's labyrinthine, isn't it? But that's how it works. 398 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:54,590 They're supposed to be fair and even-handed, 399 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:57,530 but with an insurance company, it's their frigging money! 400 00:22:58,462 --> 00:23:00,617 So, it's not unintentional, 401 00:23:00,991 --> 00:23:02,715 it's not a mistake, 402 00:23:02,971 --> 00:23:04,341 it's not an oversight, 403 00:23:04,542 --> 00:23:06,752 you're not slipping through the cracks, 404 00:23:06,907 --> 00:23:10,140 somebody made that crack and swept you towards it. 405 00:23:11,619 --> 00:23:14,367 And the intent is to maximize profits. 406 00:23:16,194 --> 00:23:18,970 Looking back, I don't know that I killed anybody. 407 00:23:19,701 --> 00:23:21,564 Did I do harm in people's life? 408 00:23:22,258 --> 00:23:23,258 Yeah. 409 00:23:24,057 --> 00:23:25,057 Hell, yeah. 410 00:23:27,783 --> 00:23:30,508 I haven't worked for insurance companies for a long time, 411 00:23:30,636 --> 00:23:34,600 and I don't think that really serves to atone 412 00:23:35,038 --> 00:23:36,038 for my... 413 00:23:37,065 --> 00:23:39,018 participation in that mess. 414 00:23:40,735 --> 00:23:42,616 I am glad I'm out of it, though. 415 00:23:46,378 --> 00:23:48,359 Julie Pierce was struggling to get care 416 00:23:48,524 --> 00:23:50,031 for her husband Tracy, 417 00:23:50,597 --> 00:23:52,789 who was suffering from kidney cancer. 418 00:23:54,004 --> 00:23:57,757 Julie works in the intensive care unit at Saint Joseph medical center, 419 00:23:58,013 --> 00:23:59,620 in Kansas City, Missouri, 420 00:24:00,332 --> 00:24:02,973 which provided her family with health insurance. 421 00:24:03,211 --> 00:24:06,370 Every month, there was a new drug that the doctors wanted to try. 422 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,119 My insurance denied it. 423 00:24:08,836 --> 00:24:11,831 One letter might say not a medical necessity, 424 00:24:12,323 --> 00:24:16,871 one letter might say it's not for this particular type of cancer, 425 00:24:17,182 --> 00:24:18,844 and they denied it. 426 00:24:20,085 --> 00:24:21,747 Then, we came up with the bone marrow 427 00:24:21,986 --> 00:24:24,150 It had showed to stop it, 428 00:24:24,406 --> 00:24:26,470 sometimes, completely get rid of it. 429 00:24:27,913 --> 00:24:31,493 Tracy's doctors said that this treatment had been successfully tried 430 00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:33,420 on many other patients. 431 00:24:34,826 --> 00:24:37,867 If one of Tracy's brothers turned out to be a suitable donor, 432 00:24:38,652 --> 00:24:40,771 they were promising bone marrow treatments 433 00:24:41,291 --> 00:24:43,355 forbidding Tracy's cancer. 434 00:24:45,090 --> 00:24:48,258 Two weeks later, the bone marrow nurse at KU called me and she goes, 435 00:24:49,208 --> 00:24:52,753 we've got the results back. His youngest brother is a perfect donor match. 436 00:24:54,233 --> 00:24:55,237 We were ecstatic. 437 00:24:56,461 --> 00:24:57,461 You know, 438 00:24:57,703 --> 00:25:00,004 I think that's a the happiest I had seen him 439 00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:03,990 in a while. 440 00:25:05,516 --> 00:25:06,516 So, 441 00:25:07,531 --> 00:25:09,385 we submitted it, and they denied it. 442 00:25:10,042 --> 00:25:11,321 Said it was experimental. 443 00:25:13,448 --> 00:25:17,476 So, I found out that there is a board of trustees over our medical plan 444 00:25:17,645 --> 00:25:19,234 that actually work at my hospital. 445 00:25:19,508 --> 00:25:23,179 And they are the final decision makers on what gets approved 446 00:25:23,343 --> 00:25:24,531 and what doesn't get approved. 447 00:25:24,713 --> 00:25:28,147 Julie and her husband and their son, Tracy Junior, 448 00:25:28,567 --> 00:25:31,690 demanded a meeting with the health plan's board of trustees 449 00:25:32,165 --> 00:25:35,234 the very people who had the power to approve their claim. 450 00:25:36,156 --> 00:25:38,457 They told Julie that they were sympathetic 451 00:25:38,749 --> 00:25:39,818 to her situation. 452 00:25:40,547 --> 00:25:42,319 I said, your sympathy does me no good 453 00:25:42,447 --> 00:25:43,981 when I'm burying him next year. 454 00:25:44,621 --> 00:25:48,054 And I told them, I said if I was... 455 00:25:48,712 --> 00:25:50,447 Bruce Van Cleef was our CEO, I said, 456 00:25:51,013 --> 00:25:53,068 I bet if it was Bruce Van Cleef's wife, 457 00:25:53,661 --> 00:25:54,757 it were to get approved. 458 00:25:56,264 --> 00:25:58,309 No, it's nothing like that! 459 00:25:58,474 --> 00:26:00,747 And I said, or maybe if my husband was white..." 460 00:26:01,222 --> 00:26:02,865 And I got up and walked out of the room. 461 00:26:04,775 --> 00:26:05,853 When we got home, 462 00:26:06,601 --> 00:26:08,099 I found him up in the bathroom, 463 00:26:09,451 --> 00:26:12,160 and I knocked on the door and said, "What are you doing in there?" 464 00:26:13,976 --> 00:26:15,405 "Nothing". And I opened the door 465 00:26:15,588 --> 00:26:18,327 because usually, he'll say: "What do you think I'm doing in here?" 466 00:26:19,199 --> 00:26:21,200 And he was sitting there and he was crying. 467 00:26:24,058 --> 00:26:25,610 And he said: Why me? 468 00:26:26,396 --> 00:26:27,711 "I'm a good person". 469 00:26:28,222 --> 00:26:30,724 And I said: But we're not done fighting this. 470 00:26:31,911 --> 00:26:33,720 We're strong, yeah. 471 00:26:34,706 --> 00:26:35,706 And he said... 472 00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,149 You know, he goes: I can see now that I'm gonna die. 473 00:26:40,209 --> 00:26:43,049 He said: "But I can leave everything in the world 474 00:26:43,926 --> 00:26:45,861 "but I don't want to leave you and Tracy." 475 00:26:50,655 --> 00:26:52,993 The doctor told me he would die in three weeks. 476 00:26:54,399 --> 00:26:55,514 And... 477 00:26:57,943 --> 00:27:00,244 On January 13th, which was my birthday, 478 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,119 he went to sleep, 479 00:27:05,608 --> 00:27:07,982 and he died five days later, here at home. 480 00:27:10,083 --> 00:27:12,256 He was my best friend, 481 00:27:13,388 --> 00:27:14,521 he was my soul mate, 482 00:27:14,758 --> 00:27:16,858 he was my son's father. 483 00:27:19,507 --> 00:27:21,315 I mean, we were to grow old together. 484 00:27:23,452 --> 00:27:26,430 They took away everything that matters. 485 00:27:29,626 --> 00:27:32,074 I wanna know why, why my husband. 486 00:27:33,973 --> 00:27:36,465 Why wasn't he given the chance to live. 487 00:27:38,388 --> 00:27:40,186 You preach these vision and values 488 00:27:40,342 --> 00:27:42,597 that we care for the sick, the dying, the poor... 489 00:27:43,008 --> 00:27:44,286 that we're a healthcare 490 00:27:44,451 --> 00:27:46,022 that leaves no one behind. 491 00:27:47,283 --> 00:27:50,041 You left him behind! You didn't even give him a start! 492 00:27:52,233 --> 00:27:53,950 It was as if he was nothing. 493 00:27:55,876 --> 00:27:58,123 And I want them to have a conscious about it. 494 00:27:58,871 --> 00:27:59,894 And I don't think they do! 495 00:28:00,095 --> 00:28:02,954 I don't think it has faced them one bit... 496 00:28:05,668 --> 00:28:06,668 at all. 497 00:28:10,044 --> 00:28:12,811 There was one person in the healthcare industry 498 00:28:12,957 --> 00:28:14,528 who did have a conscience. 499 00:28:15,149 --> 00:28:16,610 Dr. Linda Pino, 500 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:19,724 former medical reviewer at Humana. 501 00:28:20,290 --> 00:28:21,678 My name is Linda Pino, 502 00:28:22,381 --> 00:28:26,162 I am here primarily today to make a public confession. 503 00:28:26,783 --> 00:28:29,129 On spring of 1997, 504 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,655 as a physician, 505 00:28:31,239 --> 00:28:34,435 I denied a man a necessary operation 506 00:28:34,563 --> 00:28:37,396 that would have saved his life and thus caused his death. 507 00:28:39,842 --> 00:28:43,117 No person and no group has held me accountable for this, 508 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:45,134 because in fact, what I did was 509 00:28:45,318 --> 00:28:48,464 I saved the company a half a million dollars for this. 510 00:28:50,305 --> 00:28:52,544 And, furthermore, this particular act 511 00:28:52,708 --> 00:28:55,598 secured my reputation as a good medical director, 512 00:28:56,420 --> 00:28:59,753 and it insured my continued advancement in the healthcare field. 513 00:29:00,502 --> 00:29:03,022 I went from making a few hundred dollars a week 514 00:29:03,205 --> 00:29:04,410 as a medical reviewer 515 00:29:04,611 --> 00:29:08,410 to an escalating six figure income as a position executive. 516 00:29:09,816 --> 00:29:12,382 In all my work, I had one primary duty, 517 00:29:12,674 --> 00:29:15,286 and that was to use my medical expertise 518 00:29:15,706 --> 00:29:19,021 for the financial benefit of the organization for which I worked. 519 00:29:20,574 --> 00:29:23,487 And I was told repeatedly that I was not denying care, 520 00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:25,469 I was simply denying payment. 521 00:29:26,076 --> 00:29:28,894 I know how manage care maims and kills patients. 522 00:29:29,569 --> 00:29:32,547 So, I'm here to tell you about the dirty work of manage care. 523 00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:35,858 And I'm haunted by the thousands of pieces of paper 524 00:29:36,019 --> 00:29:38,459 on which I have written that deadly word: denied. 525 00:29:39,354 --> 00:29:40,354 Thank you. 526 00:29:44,981 --> 00:29:46,430 How did we get to the point 527 00:29:46,595 --> 00:29:48,995 doctors and health insurance companies 528 00:29:49,536 --> 00:29:52,939 actually being responsible for the death of patients? 529 00:29:55,703 --> 00:29:57,164 Who invented this system? 530 00:29:59,767 --> 00:30:01,526 How did this all begin? 531 00:30:04,634 --> 00:30:06,606 Where did the HMO start? 532 00:30:11,608 --> 00:30:13,684 Thanks to the wonders of magnetic tape, 533 00:30:14,097 --> 00:30:15,176 we know. 534 00:31:17,583 --> 00:31:20,639 I am proposing today a new national health strategy. 535 00:31:22,447 --> 00:31:25,041 The purpose of this program is simply this: 536 00:31:25,583 --> 00:31:28,511 I want America to have the finest health care in the world, 537 00:31:29,386 --> 00:31:31,354 and I want every American 538 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:34,461 to be able to have that care when he needs it. 539 00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:39,414 The plan hatched between Nixon and Edgar Kaiser worked. 540 00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:44,850 In the ensuing years, patients were given less and less care. 541 00:31:45,055 --> 00:31:47,476 Bigger logs-in in the nearby public hospitals 542 00:31:47,604 --> 00:31:49,332 and less quality medical care. 543 00:31:49,605 --> 00:31:52,436 Been here 'bout 18 hours, since 7 in the morning. 544 00:31:52,872 --> 00:31:56,388 What looks cramped and unsightly can also be dangerous. 545 00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,408 While the health insurance company became wealthy, 546 00:32:00,015 --> 00:32:01,928 the system was broken. 547 00:32:02,202 --> 00:32:04,514 37 millions Americans are without protection 548 00:32:04,637 --> 00:32:06,197 against catastrophic illness. 549 00:32:06,327 --> 00:32:07,976 The losers are the poor, 550 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,718 who may now postpone urgently needed healthcare 551 00:32:10,863 --> 00:32:12,326 until it's too late. 552 00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:14,621 This went on for years, 553 00:32:15,566 --> 00:32:17,932 until this man road into town, 554 00:32:19,055 --> 00:32:21,449 bringing with him his little lady. 555 00:32:28,408 --> 00:32:29,678 Sassy. 556 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,480 Smart. 557 00:32:36,885 --> 00:32:38,348 Sexy. 558 00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:44,119 Some men couldn't handle it. 559 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,454 Today I am announcing the formation 560 00:32:47,628 --> 00:32:50,684 of the president's task force on national health reform. 561 00:32:51,199 --> 00:32:53,649 chaired by the First Lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton. 562 00:32:54,298 --> 00:32:58,061 Hillary Rodham Clinton decided to make healthcare for everyone. 563 00:32:58,199 --> 00:32:59,581 her top priority. 564 00:32:59,731 --> 00:33:01,895 Universal coverage now! 565 00:33:02,271 --> 00:33:04,999 It will not depend upon where you work, whether you work 566 00:33:05,122 --> 00:33:07,147 or whether you have a pre-existing condition. 567 00:33:07,312 --> 00:33:09,987 Healthcares, they can never be taken away. 568 00:33:10,151 --> 00:33:12,929 Some republicans complain Mrs. Clinton is getting a free ride 569 00:33:13,052 --> 00:33:14,625 because she's the President's wife. 570 00:33:14,749 --> 00:33:16,885 It's fairly risky business, I believe, 571 00:33:17,028 --> 00:33:19,574 what President Clinton did, to put his wife in charge 572 00:33:19,752 --> 00:33:21,629 of some big policy program. 573 00:33:22,027 --> 00:33:23,942 and while I don't share the chairman's joy 574 00:33:24,106 --> 00:33:28,035 at the holding hearings on a government-run healthcare system. 575 00:33:28,827 --> 00:33:31,032 I do share his intention to make the debate 576 00:33:31,156 --> 00:33:33,714 in the legislature process as exciting as possible. 577 00:33:34,494 --> 00:33:36,889 I'm sure you will do that, Mr. Armey. 578 00:33:37,532 --> 00:33:40,597 - We'll do the best we can. - You and Dr. Kevorkian, I think. 579 00:33:46,996 --> 00:33:51,046 I have been told about your charm and wit, and let me say... 580 00:33:51,912 --> 00:33:55,038 The reports on your charm are overstated, 581 00:33:55,169 --> 00:33:56,998 the reports on your wit are understated. 582 00:33:57,125 --> 00:33:58,902 Thank you, thank you very much. 583 00:34:00,099 --> 00:34:02,768 She drove Washington insane. 584 00:34:02,907 --> 00:34:05,701 Do you really want the federal government to control your healthcare? 585 00:34:05,851 --> 00:34:07,931 You won�t have the choice of your own doctors. 586 00:34:08,067 --> 00:34:10,160 - Less government... - More government control. 587 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,702 - More government... - Less control for you and your family. 588 00:34:12,825 --> 00:34:14,235 When your mama gets sick, 589 00:34:14,372 --> 00:34:16,862 she might talk to a bureaucrat instead of a doctor. 590 00:34:17,081 --> 00:34:19,864 This is a total mess, and it's about to get messier. 591 00:34:20,024 --> 00:34:23,082 Not this big, bureaucratic, socialistic plan that they have! 592 00:34:23,233 --> 00:34:25,559 - Socialist takeover... - Socialized medicine. 593 00:34:25,716 --> 00:34:28,069 What really amounts to a giant social experiment. 594 00:34:35,113 --> 00:34:38,414 Nothing puts more fear in us that the thought of that. 595 00:34:39,303 --> 00:34:42,516 And the chiefs fear mongers against socialized medicine 596 00:34:42,839 --> 00:34:45,315 have always been the good doctors 597 00:34:45,548 --> 00:34:47,559 of the American Medical Association. 598 00:34:47,734 --> 00:34:50,982 This would put the government smack into your hospital, 599 00:34:51,305 --> 00:34:52,776 defining services, 600 00:34:52,924 --> 00:34:54,179 setting standards, 601 00:34:54,330 --> 00:34:55,862 establishing committees, 602 00:34:56,013 --> 00:34:57,504 calling for reports, 603 00:34:57,682 --> 00:35:00,093 deciding who gets in and who gets out. 604 00:35:00,262 --> 00:35:02,076 After all, the government has to treat 605 00:35:02,226 --> 00:35:04,094 everyone fair and equal, don't you know? 606 00:35:04,277 --> 00:35:06,343 Take us all the way, down the road 607 00:35:06,467 --> 00:35:08,958 to a new system of medicine for everybody. 608 00:35:09,407 --> 00:35:11,807 Yes, medicine for everyone, 609 00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:14,206 the AMA didn't want that 610 00:35:15,152 --> 00:35:17,307 And to drive the point home further, 611 00:35:17,748 --> 00:35:21,115 they held thousands of coffee clatches all over the country, 612 00:35:21,619 --> 00:35:23,519 where they invited their neighbors 613 00:35:23,644 --> 00:35:25,587 to come and listen to a record, 614 00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:27,831 made by a well-known actor, 615 00:35:28,001 --> 00:35:30,721 on the evils of socialized medicine. 616 00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:32,687 My name is Ronald Reagan. 617 00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:34,771 One of the traditional methods 618 00:35:34,935 --> 00:35:37,603 of imposing statism or socialism on our people, 619 00:35:38,124 --> 00:35:39,964 has been by way of medicine. 620 00:35:40,737 --> 00:35:42,338 The doctor begins to lose freedom. 621 00:35:42,516 --> 00:35:45,287 It's like telling a lie, and one leads to another 622 00:35:45,735 --> 00:35:48,800 A doctor decides he wants to practice in one town. 623 00:35:48,946 --> 00:35:51,674 And the government has to say to him : "You can't live in that town, 624 00:35:51,797 --> 00:35:54,944 "they already have enough doctors, you have to go some place else." 625 00:35:55,601 --> 00:35:57,079 All of us can see what happens, 626 00:35:57,229 --> 00:35:59,080 once you established a precedent, 627 00:35:59,237 --> 00:36:01,913 that a government can determine a man's 628 00:36:02,323 --> 00:36:04,540 working place and his working methods 629 00:36:05,176 --> 00:36:07,570 and behind, it will come other federal programs 630 00:36:07,693 --> 00:36:11,133 that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country. 631 00:36:11,536 --> 00:36:14,612 Until, on day, we will awake to find... 632 00:36:14,906 --> 00:36:16,803 that we have socialism. 633 00:36:20,418 --> 00:36:23,002 The White House said today it's time to turn down the rhetoric, 634 00:36:23,136 --> 00:36:25,626 reacting to burning an effigy of Hillary Rodham Clinton. 635 00:36:25,746 --> 00:36:27,456 The times may have changed 636 00:36:27,718 --> 00:36:29,413 but the scare tactics hadn't. 637 00:36:30,037 --> 00:36:33,092 The healthcare industries spent over a hundred millions dollars 638 00:36:33,297 --> 00:36:35,549 to defeat Hillary's healthcare plan 639 00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:37,322 and they succeeded. 640 00:36:38,041 --> 00:36:40,136 And I want to introduce to you 641 00:36:40,314 --> 00:36:42,794 the president, because he loves 642 00:36:42,958 --> 00:36:44,614 the Easter egg role. 643 00:36:44,835 --> 00:36:47,030 For the next seven years in the White House, 644 00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:49,284 she was not allowed to bring it up again. 645 00:36:49,414 --> 00:36:51,374 Is anybody here older than two? 646 00:36:51,541 --> 00:36:53,544 A decade and a half went by, 647 00:36:53,949 --> 00:36:57,141 and still America had no universal health plan. 648 00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:01,580 The United States slipped to number 37 in healthcare around the world, 649 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,982 just slightly ahead of Slovenia. 650 00:37:09,909 --> 00:37:11,606 But that's understandable, 651 00:37:11,729 --> 00:37:14,164 because Congress was busy with other matters. 652 00:37:15,248 --> 00:37:17,901 Mister speaker, today I rise to offer congratulations 653 00:37:18,035 --> 00:37:20,469 to the confectioners of Just Born Incorporated, 654 00:37:20,887 --> 00:37:23,049 as they celebrate the fiftieth anniversary 655 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,073 of one of their most recognized and celebrated products, 656 00:37:26,216 --> 00:37:29,061 not to mention my daughter's favorite, Marshmallow Peeps. 657 00:37:29,959 --> 00:37:32,394 And thus the healthcare industry went unchecked 658 00:37:32,558 --> 00:37:34,761 into the early twenty-first century. 659 00:37:34,928 --> 00:37:37,112 Humana more than doubled its 4th quarter profit, 660 00:37:37,262 --> 00:37:39,287 lifts its earning outlook for the year as well... 661 00:37:39,427 --> 00:37:41,795 United Health has tripled its share's prices. 662 00:37:41,918 --> 00:37:43,799 Making obscene profits... 663 00:37:44,367 --> 00:37:46,449 ... better than unexpected earnings, one of them.... 664 00:37:46,586 --> 00:37:48,978 There's a lot of really wealthy shareholders, out there. 665 00:37:49,142 --> 00:37:51,356 Are they willing to actually share some of that wealth? 666 00:37:51,506 --> 00:37:54,061 Turning their CEOs into billionaires... 667 00:37:55,627 --> 00:37:58,174 and skirting the law whenever they wanted. 668 00:38:00,611 --> 00:38:02,349 But their biggest accomplishment 669 00:38:02,526 --> 00:38:04,907 was buying our United States Congress. 670 00:38:05,132 --> 00:38:06,829 This is Washington at work. 671 00:38:06,984 --> 00:38:09,869 Lobbying has become so brazen, the money is being collected... 672 00:38:10,019 --> 00:38:12,736 With four time as many healthcare lobbyists 673 00:38:12,957 --> 00:38:15,024 than they are members of Congress. 674 00:38:15,226 --> 00:38:18,286 They even manage to buy off old foes. 675 00:38:18,938 --> 00:38:21,428 For her silence, Hillary was rewarded, 676 00:38:21,899 --> 00:38:25,302 and she became the second largest recipient in the Senate 677 00:38:25,532 --> 00:38:27,828 of healthcare industry contributions. 678 00:38:32,702 --> 00:38:35,168 We've given the entire health care system 679 00:38:35,292 --> 00:38:37,399 over to the insurance industry. 680 00:38:37,615 --> 00:38:39,144 And they have total control. 681 00:38:39,294 --> 00:38:41,241 Well, not total control. 682 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,247 Drug companies like to buy their members of Congress too. 683 00:38:46,522 --> 00:38:48,715 Here is what it costs to buy these men. 684 00:38:50,091 --> 00:38:51,419 And this woman. 685 00:38:53,909 --> 00:38:55,223 This guy. 686 00:38:56,122 --> 00:38:57,359 And this guy. 687 00:38:57,764 --> 00:38:59,058 And him too. 688 00:39:00,353 --> 00:39:03,760 Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. 689 00:39:04,978 --> 00:39:07,168 And the biggest check was saved for last. 690 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:11,405 Why did they hand out all this cash? 691 00:39:12,183 --> 00:39:13,878 They wanted a bill passed. 692 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:17,135 A bill to help seniors with their prescriptions. 693 00:39:17,822 --> 00:39:19,709 Let there be no mistake about it. 694 00:39:20,052 --> 00:39:23,445 Republicans love their mothers and their fathers and their grand-parents. 695 00:39:23,691 --> 00:39:25,484 as much as anybody else on this Hill 696 00:39:25,648 --> 00:39:27,693 And we're gonna take care of them in this country. 697 00:39:29,334 --> 00:39:33,836 Of course, it was really a bill to hand over 800 billion of our tax dollars 698 00:39:34,076 --> 00:39:36,252 to the drug and health insurance industry. 699 00:39:36,456 --> 00:39:38,261 by letting the drug companies charge, 700 00:39:38,425 --> 00:39:39,780 whatever they wanted, 701 00:39:39,944 --> 00:39:42,379 and making the private health insurance companies, 702 00:39:42,546 --> 00:39:43,706 the middle man. 703 00:39:43,921 --> 00:39:46,112 Everybody was going to get their cut. 704 00:39:46,517 --> 00:39:49,052 The man they appointed to get the job done, 705 00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:51,313 was congressman Billy Tauzin. 706 00:39:51,922 --> 00:39:53,913 He was the right man for the job, 707 00:39:54,158 --> 00:39:56,820 because he had a secret weapon. 708 00:39:57,556 --> 00:39:59,536 No one in this house loves their mother 709 00:39:59,682 --> 00:40:01,226 more than I love my mother. 710 00:40:01,391 --> 00:40:02,738 I'd challenge you on that, sir. 711 00:40:02,861 --> 00:40:04,738 Nobody in this... body, 712 00:40:04,869 --> 00:40:07,971 loves their mother any more or any less than anyone of us. 713 00:40:08,780 --> 00:40:10,313 I love that woman. 714 00:40:10,833 --> 00:40:13,427 Do you think for a second you love your moms and dads 715 00:40:13,605 --> 00:40:15,439 any more than we love ours? 716 00:40:15,623 --> 00:40:18,190 Do you think Republicans and Democrats 717 00:40:18,368 --> 00:40:20,667 will vote for you? Do you really believe that, Mr. Stark? 718 00:40:21,238 --> 00:40:22,784 God bless you. 719 00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:25,452 They all loved their mothers, 720 00:40:26,188 --> 00:40:28,843 it's just that they didn't love our mothers... 721 00:40:28,984 --> 00:40:30,354 as much. 722 00:40:30,512 --> 00:40:32,753 Now I'm honored and pleased to sign 723 00:40:33,464 --> 00:40:35,482 this historic piece of legislation, 724 00:40:36,886 --> 00:40:40,115 the Medicare Prescription Drug Improvement and Modernization Act 725 00:40:40,895 --> 00:40:42,769 of 2003. 726 00:40:44,985 --> 00:40:46,381 What they didn't tell us, 727 00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:49,606 was that the elderly could end up paying more for that prescriptions 728 00:40:49,761 --> 00:40:51,479 than they did before. 729 00:40:51,675 --> 00:40:54,015 Over two thirds of senior citizens 730 00:40:54,351 --> 00:40:57,677 would still pay over 2000 dollars a year. 731 00:40:58,289 --> 00:40:59,899 And when it was all over, 732 00:41:00,130 --> 00:41:03,017 14 congressional aids, who worked on the bill, 733 00:41:03,304 --> 00:41:05,056 quit their jobs on the Hill, 734 00:41:05,261 --> 00:41:07,985 and went to work for the healthcare industry. 735 00:41:09,223 --> 00:41:11,481 As did one congressman. 736 00:41:15,726 --> 00:41:17,833 Billy Tauzin left Congress, 737 00:41:18,093 --> 00:41:20,091 to become the CEO of Phrma, 738 00:41:20,214 --> 00:41:22,173 a drug industry lobby, 739 00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:24,886 for the salary of 2 millions dollars a year. 740 00:41:27,499 --> 00:41:30,053 Oh, it was a happy day in Washington. 741 00:41:30,888 --> 00:41:32,549 Many Americans knew 742 00:41:33,161 --> 00:41:35,989 they were never going to see universal healthcare, 743 00:41:36,861 --> 00:41:38,453 and that's why some of them 744 00:41:38,954 --> 00:41:41,413 decided to look elsewhere for help. 745 00:41:46,871 --> 00:41:49,066 We're driving across the Detroit river. 746 00:41:49,801 --> 00:41:51,799 Back there is the Renaissance Center, 747 00:41:51,936 --> 00:41:54,494 you can see the Renaissance Center, General Motors headquarters, 748 00:41:54,645 --> 00:41:56,830 downtown Detroit, the skyline... 749 00:41:57,528 --> 00:42:00,237 You get a really nice view from driving over the bridge. 750 00:42:00,918 --> 00:42:02,510 This is Adrian Campbell, 751 00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:04,248 a single mother, 752 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,166 who at the age of 22 753 00:42:06,316 --> 00:42:07,818 came down with cancer. 754 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:12,855 I got cervical cancer and i was denied through the insurance company. 755 00:42:13,011 --> 00:42:16,774 They say "We're not paying for because you're 22 and you don't have... 756 00:42:16,916 --> 00:42:19,256 "You shouldn't be having cervical cancer." 757 00:42:19,476 --> 00:42:20,596 "You're too young." 758 00:42:21,317 --> 00:42:24,176 Forced into debt, but now cancer free, 759 00:42:24,381 --> 00:42:27,373 Adrian was fed up with the American care system. 760 00:42:27,593 --> 00:42:29,473 She had a new plan. 761 00:42:29,701 --> 00:42:32,423 I have everything ready, before I even hit the border. 762 00:42:32,547 --> 00:42:36,355 I got my passport ready, I got my money out for the... You know, the... 763 00:42:36,643 --> 00:42:39,448 3 dollars and 25 cents to get across one-way. 764 00:42:39,859 --> 00:42:44,757 And I got everything just sitting up here on my visor just ready to go. 765 00:42:49,696 --> 00:42:51,694 Now Laura, be very quiet. 766 00:42:55,558 --> 00:42:57,538 - Citizenship? - US. 767 00:42:57,668 --> 00:42:59,399 - Where do you live? - I live in Michigan. 768 00:42:59,523 --> 00:43:01,507 - That's not on, right? - No. 769 00:43:02,734 --> 00:43:04,664 She may live in Michigan 770 00:43:05,868 --> 00:43:07,934 but ten blocks across the border, 771 00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:10,711 Adrian becomes a Canadian. 772 00:43:11,062 --> 00:43:12,687 How long have you been living here? 773 00:43:12,823 --> 00:43:14,577 - 3 months? - A couple. 774 00:43:14,728 --> 00:43:18,211 I haven't applied for the ??? card yet 775 00:43:18,378 --> 00:43:20,743 - I still have mine. - It takes 10 minutes. 776 00:43:20,921 --> 00:43:22,787 That's fine, I don't mind. 777 00:43:22,971 --> 00:43:24,227 OK, thank you. 778 00:43:24,456 --> 00:43:27,015 I put down Kyle's address, at the clinic, 779 00:43:27,207 --> 00:43:29,938 and when they ask, you know, what my relationship is 780 00:43:30,088 --> 00:43:34,016 I put down that I was his common-law ... partner. 781 00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:36,319 I don't like to lie and I don't like liars, 782 00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:38,880 it's little white lies, but it's... 783 00:43:39,099 --> 00:43:41,425 You know, I'm saving the money. 784 00:43:42,337 --> 00:43:44,786 You don't have to bring a check when you go to hospital here. 785 00:43:44,943 --> 00:43:47,379 You know, it's provided to us. 786 00:43:47,631 --> 00:43:51,046 Something you don't have to worry about, you don't have to fight to get it. 787 00:43:51,883 --> 00:43:53,188 Stress free. 788 00:43:58,553 --> 00:43:59,750 They're calling the cops. 789 00:43:59,894 --> 00:44:01,361 The presence of our camera crew 790 00:44:01,497 --> 00:44:03,550 has alerted the clinic that something was up. 791 00:44:03,714 --> 00:44:05,460 And I don't think I'm gonna get seen now. 792 00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:07,696 So I have another idea. 793 00:44:08,695 --> 00:44:10,905 I'm gonna go down to the other clinic. 794 00:44:11,548 --> 00:44:14,039 There is... There is a clinic down... 795 00:44:14,477 --> 00:44:15,949 One that we passed. 796 00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:18,515 The police showed up over there? 797 00:44:18,722 --> 00:44:19,851 Look. 798 00:44:21,233 --> 00:44:23,716 Yes, what Adrian was doing was illegal. 799 00:44:23,966 --> 00:44:25,322 But we're Americans. 800 00:44:25,683 --> 00:44:27,924 We go into other countries when we need to. 801 00:44:29,033 --> 00:44:31,247 It's tricky, but it's allowed. 802 00:44:34,752 --> 00:44:36,818 It's kind of frustrating I haven't... I mean... 803 00:44:37,117 --> 00:44:39,274 I'd just get married and that'd solve everything. 804 00:44:39,423 --> 00:44:40,775 She'd be covered automatically 805 00:44:40,903 --> 00:44:43,943 Americans marry Canadians just for the healthcare. 806 00:44:44,744 --> 00:44:45,784 We're used. 807 00:44:46,810 --> 00:44:48,076 Sounds like a good idea. 808 00:44:48,271 --> 00:44:49,858 See if it works. 809 00:44:50,073 --> 00:44:51,648 Start something... start a trend. 810 00:44:54,451 --> 00:44:57,940 In Canada, they give everybody free healthcare, doesn't it work up there? 811 00:44:59,585 --> 00:45:00,975 We wait months to get treatment 812 00:45:01,095 --> 00:45:03,220 you can get in a week or a few days here. 813 00:45:03,341 --> 00:45:06,731 In Canada, you'd have to wait 9 to 10 months, 814 00:45:06,871 --> 00:45:07,971 for bypass surgery. 815 00:45:08,091 --> 00:45:09,398 Many Canadians believe 816 00:45:09,576 --> 00:45:11,839 it's the health care system itself 817 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,085 that's truly sick. 818 00:45:13,367 --> 00:45:15,094 They pay their doctors less. 819 00:45:15,272 --> 00:45:18,565 A surgeon can only do certain number of operation each year, 820 00:45:18,685 --> 00:45:21,442 with only so many expensive new pieces of equipment. 821 00:45:21,562 --> 00:45:25,581 It's easier for your cat or dog to receive a MRI here in America. 822 00:45:25,708 --> 00:45:28,026 You die of cancer waiting for that chemo 'cause 823 00:45:28,146 --> 00:45:30,083 like all of Ottawa has like one chemo machine. 824 00:45:30,205 --> 00:45:33,159 And if you think socialized medicine is a good idea... 825 00:45:33,385 --> 00:45:34,568 ask a Canadian. 826 00:45:36,418 --> 00:45:39,866 So I thought who better to ask, than my Canadian relatives: 827 00:45:40,334 --> 00:45:41,697 Bob and Estelle. 828 00:45:42,494 --> 00:45:45,029 But they wouldn't cross the border into America. 829 00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:49,201 They wanted me to meet them at Sears, in Canada. 830 00:45:50,075 --> 00:45:52,140 Now, what do you guys doing here? 831 00:45:52,928 --> 00:45:55,014 We buy an insurance: we're going over to the States. 832 00:45:55,182 --> 00:45:56,881 We're going to the States to see you. 833 00:45:57,309 --> 00:45:59,402 Right, you know, that's just across the river. 834 00:46:00,804 --> 00:46:03,049 You wouldn't even go over see us over in Michigan 835 00:46:03,169 --> 00:46:05,048 for a couple of hours without this insurance? 836 00:46:05,315 --> 00:46:06,506 No, we wouldn't. 837 00:46:06,626 --> 00:46:08,452 We're just adamant about it, 838 00:46:08,572 --> 00:46:09,634 we would not do it. 839 00:46:09,892 --> 00:46:11,559 If somebody punches us in the mouth, 840 00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,891 if something, and something like that... 841 00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:17,013 You don't want to get caught in the American health system thing. 842 00:46:17,703 --> 00:46:19,788 We have nothing against Americans, 843 00:46:19,914 --> 00:46:22,763 or America, or anything like that at all. 844 00:46:22,883 --> 00:46:24,836 We're nice and simple people. 845 00:46:24,956 --> 00:46:26,559 Yes, well, not very simple, but... 846 00:46:27,104 --> 00:46:28,475 certainly very nice. 847 00:46:31,086 --> 00:46:34,312 I decided to explore their anti-American views further, 848 00:46:34,566 --> 00:46:36,556 over some fine Canadian cuisine. 849 00:46:37,101 --> 00:46:39,853 We have a friend who went to Hawaii. 850 00:46:40,751 --> 00:46:44,342 And he sustained head injury while he was there. 851 00:46:45,051 --> 00:46:47,464 And before he was well enough to come home, 852 00:46:47,849 --> 00:46:51,483 he had chocked up a bill of over $600,000. 853 00:46:53,208 --> 00:46:55,537 So what middle-class Canadian 854 00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,383 could absorb that? 855 00:46:57,672 --> 00:47:01,171 I guess I feel bad that you would have to worry about something like that. 856 00:47:01,869 --> 00:47:04,447 We're not criticizing your country, we're just... 857 00:47:04,724 --> 00:47:07,635 giving you the facts that we could not afford 858 00:47:08,181 --> 00:47:09,660 to be without insurance. 859 00:47:10,817 --> 00:47:13,208 - Even for a day? - Even for a day. 860 00:47:15,657 --> 00:47:19,608 To prove their point even further, they set me over to a local golf course 861 00:47:19,728 --> 00:47:21,256 to talk to Larry Godfrey 862 00:47:21,641 --> 00:47:24,861 who had a golfing accident while on vacation, in Florida. 863 00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:27,594 I could hear a noise and... 864 00:47:27,714 --> 00:47:29,620 feel a pain and the tendon snapped off. 865 00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:33,022 This bone here that holds the biceps in place... 866 00:47:33,228 --> 00:47:37,062 So this biceps muscle was released like elastic and then... 867 00:47:37,463 --> 00:47:39,220 it ended up here on my chest. 868 00:47:39,340 --> 00:47:41,688 The muscle came up your arm and ended up up in your chest? 869 00:47:41,825 --> 00:47:42,902 Ended up right here. 870 00:47:43,437 --> 00:47:46,739 Like all good golfers, Larry finished his round, 871 00:47:46,859 --> 00:47:48,871 before seeking medical attention. 872 00:47:49,871 --> 00:47:52,265 That's when he got the bad news. 873 00:47:52,687 --> 00:47:53,827 I wasn't too worried because 874 00:47:53,947 --> 00:47:55,671 I had out of country insurance but... 875 00:47:55,918 --> 00:47:59,267 when he told me it was 23 or 24,000 then I.... 876 00:47:59,387 --> 00:48:00,441 24,000? 877 00:48:00,978 --> 00:48:02,311 Dollars, yes. 878 00:48:02,725 --> 00:48:05,445 So if you'd stay in United States, this would've cost you $24,000? 879 00:48:05,565 --> 00:48:06,743 $24,000, yes. 880 00:48:06,863 --> 00:48:08,738 Instead, you went back to Canada, 881 00:48:09,202 --> 00:48:11,865 - and Canada paid your total expenses... - Everything. 882 00:48:11,985 --> 00:48:13,112 Paid for the operation... 883 00:48:13,253 --> 00:48:14,751 - ...and that cost you... - Nothing. 884 00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:16,218 - ...zero. - Zero. 885 00:48:18,028 --> 00:48:20,372 I'm wondering, why do you expect your fellow Canadians, 886 00:48:20,492 --> 00:48:21,887 who don't have your problem, 887 00:48:22,343 --> 00:48:24,230 why should they, through their tax dollars, 888 00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:26,564 have to pay for a problem you have. 889 00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,601 Because we would do the same for them. 890 00:48:31,182 --> 00:48:34,865 It's just the way it's always been and it's the way we hope it'll always be. 891 00:48:35,497 --> 00:48:37,938 Right, but if you'd just had to pay for your problem, 892 00:48:38,179 --> 00:48:41,801 and don't pay for everybody else's problem, just take care of yourself. 893 00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:44,586 Well, there are a lot of people who aren't in the position to... 894 00:48:44,723 --> 00:48:45,762 be able to do that. 895 00:48:45,905 --> 00:48:47,783 And somebody has to look after them. 896 00:48:48,482 --> 00:48:50,581 Are you a member of the socialist party here or.... 897 00:48:51,914 --> 00:48:52,970 Green party? 898 00:48:54,293 --> 00:48:56,875 No, I-- Well, actually I'm a member of the conservative party. 899 00:48:58,650 --> 00:48:59,701 Is that bad? 900 00:49:01,706 --> 00:49:03,227 Well, it's just a little confusing... 901 00:49:03,367 --> 00:49:04,394 Well... 902 00:49:05,312 --> 00:49:07,059 it shouldn't be, I think that... 903 00:49:07,608 --> 00:49:09,861 I think that where medical matters are concerned, 904 00:49:09,981 --> 00:49:12,316 it wouldn't matter in Canada what party you... 905 00:49:12,509 --> 00:49:14,180 you're affiliated with. 906 00:49:14,527 --> 00:49:15,527 If any... 907 00:49:15,649 --> 00:49:18,287 But, to us, as we look across the river here, 908 00:49:18,656 --> 00:49:20,755 you know, why don't you think we don't believe that? 909 00:49:20,875 --> 00:49:24,374 - What's wrong on this issue with us? - Well, I guess... 910 00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:26,601 the powers that be don't... 911 00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:29,349 share our beliefs that... 912 00:49:29,993 --> 00:49:32,209 that health care ought to be universal. 913 00:49:32,464 --> 00:49:34,454 I mean, Canadians didn't until... 914 00:49:34,744 --> 00:49:36,681 we met up with a guy named Tommy Douglas, 915 00:49:37,467 --> 00:49:38,931 who pretty much... 916 00:49:39,317 --> 00:49:40,791 changed everyone's mind. 917 00:49:41,801 --> 00:49:43,801 - One guy? - One guy, yeah. 918 00:49:44,037 --> 00:49:47,132 - One guy did it, he... - Can he come over and visit us? 919 00:49:47,252 --> 00:49:49,764 He's dead unfortunately, in fact he was... 920 00:49:50,224 --> 00:49:53,780 He is just more seriously been revered as Canada's... 921 00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:55,808 singular most important person. 922 00:49:56,094 --> 00:49:57,632 We think so much of... 923 00:49:57,860 --> 00:50:00,855 - You mean in your whole history? - In our whole history. 924 00:50:01,021 --> 00:50:03,613 - More than your first Prime minister... - Absolutely, yeah... 925 00:50:03,878 --> 00:50:05,393 Even more than Wayne Gretzky. 926 00:50:06,478 --> 00:50:08,084 - No way. - Absolutely. 927 00:50:09,907 --> 00:50:11,213 More than Celine Dion? 928 00:50:11,351 --> 00:50:13,267 A great singer, more than Celine Dion. 929 00:50:13,507 --> 00:50:16,162 - More than Rocky and Bullwinkle. - Maybe... 930 00:50:22,005 --> 00:50:24,831 ... as the blade went through, it cut the glove that I was wearing 931 00:50:24,951 --> 00:50:27,511 and it sliced through the entire 932 00:50:27,759 --> 00:50:30,709 group of fingers and completely taking them off. 933 00:55:05,949 --> 00:55:07,958 - No money is being exchanged here? - No, nothing. 934 00:55:08,087 --> 00:55:10,146 - There's no money being exchanged. - I'm over 60. 935 00:55:10,290 --> 00:55:12,966 - We don't pay. - What's the purpose of the cash register? 936 00:55:15,398 --> 00:55:17,145 I'm just wondering 937 00:55:17,265 --> 00:55:20,714 where's the bread and the milk and the candy in here? 938 00:55:21,512 --> 00:55:24,611 I can't pick up any laundry detergent here or.... 939 00:55:25,650 --> 00:55:29,321 I haven't been trained for that many years to be selling detergents so... no. 940 00:55:41,894 --> 00:55:44,058 I next went to a state run hospital, 941 00:55:44,739 --> 00:55:47,021 operated by the national health service. 942 00:55:48,579 --> 00:55:52,927 I'm doing seven weeks and I get 6 months off, paid. 943 00:55:53,047 --> 00:55:55,443 And then I can have 6 months of unpaid as well. 944 00:55:55,565 --> 00:55:56,983 So I'm actually taking a year. 945 00:55:57,473 --> 00:56:00,013 Well, that sounds like a luxury where I'm from. 946 00:56:00,424 --> 00:56:01,926 Oh, really, it's not like that 947 00:56:02,131 --> 00:56:05,180 in U.S., no... not at all, no. 948 00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:07,623 So what do you pay for stay here? 949 00:56:08,936 --> 00:56:09,979 No one pays. 950 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,551 They were asking how the people pay. 951 00:56:14,672 --> 00:56:17,212 And I said but there isn't--- You don't, you just leave. 952 00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:19,724 - It's national insurance. There's no... - Yeah. 953 00:56:19,902 --> 00:56:21,676 ... bill at the end of the day as it were. 954 00:56:24,222 --> 00:56:27,799 Even with insurance, there's bound to be a bill somewhere. 955 00:56:28,568 --> 00:56:31,515 - So where's the billing department? - There isn't really a billing dept. 956 00:56:31,642 --> 00:56:33,542 Right, there's no such thing as a billing... 957 00:56:34,384 --> 00:56:36,289 What did they charge you for that baby? 958 00:56:36,642 --> 00:56:37,642 Sorry? 959 00:56:37,762 --> 00:56:39,689 You gotta pay before you get outta here, right? 960 00:56:40,858 --> 00:56:42,783 - Everything is on... - This is NHS. 961 00:56:44,117 --> 00:56:45,920 You know, it's not America. 962 00:56:48,137 --> 00:56:50,908 Maybe I'd have better luck in the part of the hospital 963 00:56:51,123 --> 00:56:53,336 where things can get seriously expensive. 964 00:56:54,586 --> 00:56:56,501 This guy broke his ankle... 965 00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:57,797 How much will this cost him? 966 00:56:57,917 --> 00:56:58,920 Sorry? 967 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,370 The emergency room visit... 968 00:57:00,603 --> 00:57:02,090 He'll have some huge bill 969 00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:03,546 when he's done, right? 970 00:57:03,828 --> 00:57:04,832 Yeah... 971 00:57:04,983 --> 00:57:06,217 NHS: everything is free. 972 00:57:06,748 --> 00:57:09,754 I'm asking about hospital charges and you're laughing at me. 973 00:57:09,874 --> 00:57:11,611 'Cause no one ever asks this question in... 974 00:57:11,756 --> 00:57:13,288 emergency department, that's why. 975 00:57:15,641 --> 00:57:18,434 I was starting to fall for this everything is free bit. 976 00:57:18,956 --> 00:57:20,749 And then I discovered this. 977 00:57:22,299 --> 00:57:24,213 So this is where people come to pay their bill 978 00:57:24,374 --> 00:57:26,085 when they're done staying in the hospital? 979 00:57:26,272 --> 00:57:29,018 No this is the NHS hospital, so you don't pay the bill. 980 00:57:29,493 --> 00:57:31,747 You get to just go home? 981 00:57:32,698 --> 00:57:35,570 What does it say "Cashier" here if people don't have to pay a bill? 982 00:57:37,143 --> 00:57:39,248 All we have is an old man here, who stands behind 983 00:57:39,368 --> 00:57:43,455 a counter and he gives people money if they've had to pay for transport. 984 00:57:43,697 --> 00:57:47,945 Those who have reduced means get their travel expanses reimbursed. 985 00:57:48,065 --> 00:57:49,068 Thank you. 986 00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:51,030 So in British hospitals 987 00:57:51,311 --> 00:57:53,950 instead of money going into the cashier's window 988 00:57:54,523 --> 00:57:55,828 money comes out. 989 00:57:56,191 --> 00:57:58,107 The criteria for letting up the hospital 990 00:57:58,253 --> 00:58:00,234 are not if you've paid your bill, the criteria... 991 00:58:00,398 --> 00:58:02,917 are you fit to go, and are you going somewhere safe. 992 00:58:03,125 --> 00:58:05,520 Clearly, I was just the butt of a joke here. 993 00:58:10,919 --> 00:58:13,961 What I needed was a good old fashion American 994 00:58:14,168 --> 00:58:16,064 who would have some understanding. 995 00:58:16,824 --> 00:58:18,458 When I first came to London 996 00:58:18,673 --> 00:58:20,322 in 1992. 997 00:58:20,442 --> 00:58:23,224 And we just ended up staying and we had... 998 00:58:23,364 --> 00:58:24,604 three children here. 999 00:58:24,820 --> 00:58:26,220 Well, I had them all on the... 1000 00:58:26,340 --> 00:58:28,168 NHS which is the national health service. 1001 00:58:28,288 --> 00:58:29,923 The British national health service. 1002 00:58:30,215 --> 00:58:32,735 I think like a lot of American assumed 1003 00:58:32,855 --> 00:58:35,652 that a socialized medicine was just bottom of the rung... 1004 00:58:36,114 --> 00:58:38,294 treatment, that you know that's the only possible way 1005 00:58:38,422 --> 00:58:40,906 it would be dingy and horrible and it would be like the USSR. 1006 00:58:41,043 --> 00:58:42,187 I mean, that's kind of how... 1007 00:58:42,307 --> 00:58:45,304 And... that's terrible, that's what I thought. 1008 00:58:45,682 --> 00:58:47,043 That's what I thought, too. 1009 00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:50,825 After having a baby, it's right back to the wheat fields! 1010 00:59:15,847 --> 00:59:18,871 And then it occurred to me that back home in America 1011 00:59:19,060 --> 00:59:21,098 we've socialized a lot of things. 1012 00:59:46,615 --> 00:59:49,085 I kinda like having a police department and... 1013 00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:50,752 a fire department and... 1014 00:59:50,872 --> 00:59:52,286 and the library and... 1015 00:59:52,578 --> 00:59:53,761 And I got to wondering: 1016 00:59:54,357 --> 00:59:56,085 Why don't we have more these free 1017 00:59:56,246 --> 00:59:57,873 socialized things, 1018 00:59:58,518 --> 00:59:59,532 like health care. 1019 01:00:00,135 --> 01:00:03,016 When did this whole idea that every British citizen 1020 01:00:03,138 --> 01:00:04,936 should have a right to health care? 1021 01:00:05,062 --> 01:00:07,962 Well, if you go back, it all began with democracy, 1022 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:09,958 before we had the vote. 1023 01:00:10,779 --> 01:00:13,067 All the power was in the hands of rich people. 1024 01:00:13,327 --> 01:00:15,973 If you had money, you could get health care, education, 1025 01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:19,632 look after yourself when you're old, and what democracy did, 1026 01:00:19,927 --> 01:00:22,592 was to give the poor the vote. 1027 01:00:23,062 --> 01:00:25,555 And it moved power from the market-place 1028 01:00:25,853 --> 01:00:27,885 to the police station. From the... 1029 01:00:28,314 --> 01:00:29,595 wallet to the ballot. 1030 01:00:30,251 --> 01:00:31,815 And what people said was very simple. 1031 01:00:31,998 --> 01:00:35,921 They said, "In the 1930's, we had mass unemployment. 1032 01:00:36,355 --> 01:00:38,662 "But we don't have any unemployment during the war. 1033 01:00:38,861 --> 01:00:41,168 "If we could have full employment by killing Germans, 1034 01:00:41,291 --> 01:00:42,994 "why can't we have it building hospitals, 1035 01:00:43,117 --> 01:00:45,781 "building schools, recruiting nurses, recruiting teachers?" 1036 01:00:45,996 --> 01:00:51,163 If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. 1037 01:00:51,414 --> 01:00:52,422 Right. 1038 01:00:52,685 --> 01:00:54,694 This certainly flipped the pos[ition on the] issue 1039 01:00:54,831 --> 01:00:55,951 very straight forward. 1040 01:00:56,136 --> 01:00:58,312 - What year was this? - This was 1948. 1041 01:00:58,903 --> 01:01:01,936 "Your new national health service begins on the fifth of July. 1042 01:01:02,058 --> 01:01:03,735 "What is it? How'd you get it? 1043 01:01:04,181 --> 01:01:09,023 "It will provide you with all medical, dental and nursing care. 1044 01:01:09,154 --> 01:01:14,071 "Everyone, rich or poor, men, women or child could use it or any part of it. 1045 01:01:14,276 --> 01:01:17,422 "There are no charges except for a few special item. 1046 01:01:17,592 --> 01:01:21,397 "There's no insurance qualification, but it's not a charity. 1047 01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:24,298 "You're paying for it mainly as tax payers 1048 01:01:24,448 --> 01:01:28,159 "and it will relieve your money worries in times of illness." 1049 01:01:28,686 --> 01:01:32,512 Now... Somehow, that-- the few words sum the whole thing up. 1050 01:01:38,412 --> 01:01:39,416 I was amazed 1051 01:01:39,538 --> 01:01:42,892 when he said this all started in 1948. 1052 01:01:43,834 --> 01:01:47,733 The British have just come out of a devastating experience through WW2. 1053 01:01:48,731 --> 01:01:50,021 The country was destroyed, 1054 01:01:50,653 --> 01:01:51,840 and nearly bankrupt. 1055 01:01:52,527 --> 01:01:54,486 They had nothing. 1056 01:01:54,978 --> 01:01:57,277 In just one eight month period 1057 01:01:57,606 --> 01:02:01,082 over 42,000 civilians lost their lives. 1058 01:02:02,207 --> 01:02:04,929 But we went through in two hours on 9/11, 1059 01:02:05,523 --> 01:02:08,264 they went through nearly every single day. 1060 01:02:10,558 --> 01:02:13,054 Remember how we all felt after 9/11? 1061 01:02:13,836 --> 01:02:15,842 All of us, pulling together? 1062 01:02:16,408 --> 01:02:18,197 I guess that's how they felt. 1063 01:02:19,832 --> 01:02:23,194 And the first way that they decided to pull together after the war, 1064 01:02:23,665 --> 01:02:25,865 was to provide free medical care 1065 01:02:26,340 --> 01:02:27,433 for everyone. 1066 01:02:28,366 --> 01:02:30,127 Even Mrs. Thatcher said, 1067 01:02:30,423 --> 01:02:33,579 "the nation health service is safe in our hands." 1068 01:02:33,927 --> 01:02:36,442 It's... as non-controversial as vote for women. 1069 01:02:36,564 --> 01:02:39,594 Nobody could come along and say why women should[n't] have the vote now 1070 01:02:39,972 --> 01:02:42,064 because people wouldn't have it, and not in Britain. 1071 01:02:42,214 --> 01:02:43,466 They wouldn't accept 1072 01:02:43,667 --> 01:02:46,592 the deterioration or destruction of the national health care. 1073 01:02:46,728 --> 01:02:50,089 If Thatcher or Blair had said "I'm going to dismantle National Healthcare..." 1074 01:02:50,209 --> 01:02:51,880 That would be the revolution, yeah. 1075 01:03:01,191 --> 01:03:02,198 A report 1076 01:03:02,359 --> 01:03:06,798 from the American Medical Association into the health of 55 to 64 year olds 1077 01:03:06,986 --> 01:03:09,792 says Brits are far healthier than Americans. 1078 01:03:10,132 --> 01:03:12,223 For every illness that we look at, 1079 01:03:12,449 --> 01:03:14,775 Americans have more of it than English. 1080 01:03:14,954 --> 01:03:18,486 Cancer, heart disease, hypertension, strokes, lung disease, 1081 01:03:18,647 --> 01:03:21,091 all significantly higher for Americans. 1082 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,590 Even the poorest people in England with all the environmental factors 1083 01:03:24,892 --> 01:03:28,151 that give them the worst health in the country can expect 1084 01:03:28,330 --> 01:03:31,264 to live longer than the wealthiest people in America. 1085 01:03:39,934 --> 01:03:43,663 I was wondering though, what's it like for the doctors here in Britain? 1086 01:03:44,109 --> 01:03:46,982 We have to live under this kind of state control. 1087 01:03:47,604 --> 01:03:49,097 And you're a family doctor? 1088 01:03:49,441 --> 01:03:52,370 Yeah, I'd supposed you'd call them "GPs" or General Practitioners here. 1089 01:03:52,831 --> 01:03:54,649 Right, so you have like a family practice? 1090 01:03:54,809 --> 01:03:57,943 Yeah, it's a NHS practice. We have nine doctors within that practice. 1091 01:03:58,070 --> 01:04:00,262 - You're paid for by the government? - Paid for by it. 1092 01:04:00,417 --> 01:04:01,779 So you work for the government? 1093 01:04:01,902 --> 01:04:03,478 - Government paid doctor? - Absolutely. 1094 01:04:03,631 --> 01:04:05,745 A patient comes to see you. Before you treat them, 1095 01:04:05,867 --> 01:04:08,111 do you have to call the government insurance company 1096 01:04:08,258 --> 01:04:09,518 before you can treat them? 1097 01:04:09,682 --> 01:04:13,280 No, I don't deal with money at all on an every day basis. 1098 01:04:13,497 --> 01:04:16,612 Have you ever had to say no to someone who was sick and needed help? 1099 01:04:16,794 --> 01:04:19,694 - No, never. - Have you heard of anyone, 1100 01:04:19,986 --> 01:04:23,923 being in a hospital and being removed because he couldn't pay the bill? 1101 01:04:24,074 --> 01:04:26,523 No, never. And I wouldn't want to work in that system. 1102 01:04:26,672 --> 01:04:27,896 So working for the government, 1103 01:04:28,024 --> 01:04:30,024 you probably have to use public transportation. 1104 01:04:31,492 --> 01:04:33,581 No. So, I have a car that I use and I drive to work. 1105 01:04:33,703 --> 01:04:34,709 An old beater? 1106 01:04:41,868 --> 01:04:44,062 You live in a kind rough part of town, or... 1107 01:04:44,232 --> 01:04:47,849 I mean, I live in a terrific part of town, it's called Greenwich. 1108 01:04:51,856 --> 01:04:53,410 It's a lovely house. 1109 01:04:53,586 --> 01:04:54,592 It's a 3 story house. 1110 01:04:54,712 --> 01:04:57,246 How many other families have to live in that house with you? 1111 01:04:57,432 --> 01:04:58,713 That's four bedrooms for 1112 01:04:58,986 --> 01:05:01,906 my wife and my son. It's just the three of us there. 1113 01:05:02,097 --> 01:05:03,579 How much you pay for that? 1114 01:05:05,128 --> 01:05:08,952 - �550,000. Yes, almost. - So, a million dollars. 1115 01:05:09,470 --> 01:05:10,945 Your government pays a doctor 1116 01:05:11,237 --> 01:05:14,047 on a national health insurance health care plan here, 1117 01:05:14,509 --> 01:05:16,468 - Yes. - and you live in a $1,000,000 home. 1118 01:05:16,911 --> 01:05:17,928 Yes. 1119 01:05:21,936 --> 01:05:24,110 I think probably my friends think we do quite well. 1120 01:05:24,284 --> 01:05:25,659 Really? How well do you do? 1121 01:05:25,809 --> 01:05:28,965 I earn around 85,000 including pension... 1122 01:05:29,116 --> 01:05:31,659 - �85,000? - 85,000 pounds a year. 1123 01:05:31,809 --> 01:05:33,961 And that includes pension that they will pay to me. 1124 01:05:34,089 --> 01:05:37,518 They probably earn just over 100,000 pounds within my practice. 1125 01:05:37,669 --> 01:05:41,408 - �100,000? So, that's almost $200,000? - Yes, absolutely. 1126 01:05:42,153 --> 01:05:44,542 The money that we earn, we paid by what we do. 1127 01:05:44,733 --> 01:05:48,161 So the better we do for our patients, then the more we get paid. 1128 01:05:48,566 --> 01:05:49,574 What do you mean? 1129 01:05:49,970 --> 01:05:51,317 There's a new system, 1130 01:05:51,853 --> 01:05:53,661 and, in that new system, 1131 01:05:53,825 --> 01:05:56,328 if the most number of your patients have low blood pressures, 1132 01:05:56,507 --> 01:05:58,749 or you got most of your patients to stop smoking, 1133 01:05:58,984 --> 01:06:00,270 or you got most of your patients 1134 01:06:00,416 --> 01:06:02,857 to have things like mental health reviews, if they're unwell 1135 01:06:02,978 --> 01:06:04,914 or low cholesterol, then you get paid more. 1136 01:06:05,323 --> 01:06:08,987 This year, if you get people of your patients to stop smoking, 1137 01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:10,970 - this year, you'll earn more? - Absolutely. 1138 01:06:11,098 --> 01:06:13,047 - You'll earn more? - Yeah, absolutely. 1139 01:06:13,481 --> 01:06:16,542 So doctors in America do not have to fear... 1140 01:06:18,256 --> 01:06:19,886 having universal health care. 1141 01:06:20,036 --> 01:06:22,259 No. I think if you want to have 1142 01:06:22,767 --> 01:06:26,233 2 or 3 millions dollars homes and 4 or 5 nice cars 1143 01:06:26,412 --> 01:06:28,221 and 6 or 7 nice televisions, 1144 01:06:28,409 --> 01:06:32,063 then maybe yeah, you need to practice somewhere you can earn that. 1145 01:06:32,336 --> 01:06:35,596 But I think we live comfortably here, and London is an expensive city, 1146 01:06:35,756 --> 01:06:37,263 but I think we live very comfortably. 1147 01:06:37,413 --> 01:06:40,151 And you're getting by okay on the million dollars home, the Audi, 1148 01:06:40,316 --> 01:06:41,737 and the flat screen TV? 1149 01:06:41,906 --> 01:06:43,767 Yeah, we're coping with those. 1150 01:06:45,930 --> 01:06:48,577 I think democracy is the most revolutionary thing in the world. 1151 01:06:48,821 --> 01:06:52,193 Far more revolutionary than socialist ideas, or anybody else's idea. 1152 01:06:52,354 --> 01:06:54,171 But if you have power, 1153 01:06:54,435 --> 01:06:57,798 you use it to meet the needs of your community. 1154 01:06:58,031 --> 01:07:00,199 And this idea of choice that Capitol[ism] 1155 01:07:00,327 --> 01:07:02,487 talks about all the time, "you gotta have a choice", 1156 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,748 Choice depends on the freedom to choose. 1157 01:07:04,951 --> 01:07:07,737 And if you're shackled in debt, you don't have a freedom to choose. 1158 01:07:07,932 --> 01:07:09,693 It seems that it benefits the system, 1159 01:07:09,966 --> 01:07:12,387 If the average working person is shackled and is in debt? 1160 01:07:12,528 --> 01:07:13,838 Yes, because people in debt 1161 01:07:13,969 --> 01:07:16,381 become hopeless, and hopeless people don't vote. 1162 01:07:16,842 --> 01:07:18,792 See, they always say that everyone should vote 1163 01:07:18,923 --> 01:07:20,854 But I think, if the poor 1164 01:07:21,342 --> 01:07:23,612 in Britain or the United States turned out 1165 01:07:23,753 --> 01:07:26,796 and voted for people representing their interests, it would be 1166 01:07:27,031 --> 01:07:29,980 a real democratic revolution. So they don't want it to happen. 1167 01:07:30,130 --> 01:07:32,476 So keeping people hopeless and pessimistic... 1168 01:07:32,786 --> 01:07:36,074 See, I think there are 2 ways in which people get controlled: 1169 01:07:36,705 --> 01:07:39,945 first of all, frightening people, and second, you demoralize them. 1170 01:07:40,962 --> 01:07:44,518 An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern. 1171 01:07:45,121 --> 01:07:46,694 And I think there's an element 1172 01:07:46,892 --> 01:07:49,162 in the thinking of some people. We don't want 1173 01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,176 people to be educated, healthy and confident 1174 01:07:52,346 --> 01:07:54,125 because they would get out of control. 1175 01:07:54,964 --> 01:07:58,892 The top 1 % of the world's population own 80 percent of the world's wealth. 1176 01:07:59,043 --> 01:08:00,898 It's incredible, the people put up with it, 1177 01:08:01,812 --> 01:08:05,184 but they're poor, they're demoralized, they're frightened. 1178 01:08:05,693 --> 01:08:07,021 And therefore, they think, 1179 01:08:07,144 --> 01:08:10,572 "Perhaps the safest thing to do is to take orders and hope for the best." 1180 01:08:15,743 --> 01:08:19,794 And hope for the best is what we do, right from the moment we're born. 1181 01:08:20,745 --> 01:08:23,750 We've got the worst infant mortality rate in the western world. 1182 01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:27,461 A baby born in El Salvador has a better chance of surviving 1183 01:08:27,772 --> 01:08:29,496 than a baby born in Detroit. 1184 01:08:30,316 --> 01:08:32,237 But it gets better when you go to school. 1185 01:08:32,454 --> 01:08:35,355 Classrooms with 40 students. Schools with no science labs. 1186 01:08:35,996 --> 01:08:39,001 No wonder the majority of our young adults can't find Britain on a map. 1187 01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:40,847 But that's okay, there's always college. 1188 01:08:41,931 --> 01:08:43,946 By the time we graduate, our asses are so in hot, 1189 01:08:44,069 --> 01:08:46,669 we're deep in debt before we're even having our first job. 1190 01:08:46,847 --> 01:08:50,501 I'm at about... let's say about 35,000 dollars in debt. 1191 01:08:50,737 --> 01:08:52,183 That's for my three years college. 1192 01:08:52,507 --> 01:08:54,744 That way you'll be the kind of employee they look for. 1193 01:08:54,910 --> 01:08:56,144 One who needs this job. 1194 01:08:56,266 --> 01:08:58,668 3,904, 3,905... 1195 01:08:59,139 --> 01:09:02,360 What employer wouldn't wanna employ someone thousands of thousands in debt? 1196 01:09:02,623 --> 01:09:04,385 Because they won't cause any trouble. 1197 01:09:05,873 --> 01:09:07,747 In addition to have to pay their college debt, 1198 01:09:07,907 --> 01:09:10,093 you need a job with health insurance. 1199 01:09:10,403 --> 01:09:12,805 It would be horrible to loose that kind of job, wouldn't it? 1200 01:09:13,116 --> 01:09:14,614 You can always quit, you know? 1201 01:09:15,066 --> 01:09:17,336 There's no law that says you have to work here. 1202 01:09:18,090 --> 01:09:20,482 And if that one job doesn't pay all the bills, don't worry! 1203 01:09:20,887 --> 01:09:22,102 You can get another one, 1204 01:09:22,234 --> 01:09:23,289 and another one, 1205 01:09:23,684 --> 01:09:24,692 and another one. 1206 01:09:24,861 --> 01:09:28,073 I work three jobs, and I feel like I contribute. 1207 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,947 - You work three jobs? - Three jobs, yes. 1208 01:09:31,173 --> 01:09:32,426 Uniquely American, isn't it? 1209 01:09:32,642 --> 01:09:34,978 I mean that's fantastic that you're doing that. 1210 01:09:36,618 --> 01:09:37,683 Get any sleep? 1211 01:09:38,145 --> 01:09:40,688 And if you're not getting enough sleep... take pharmaceuticals. 1212 01:09:40,857 --> 01:09:43,278 You're tired all the time. You may feel sad, hopeless. 1213 01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:45,642 If you suffer from excessive worry... 1214 01:09:45,765 --> 01:09:47,903 You could be suffering from anxiety disorder... 1215 01:09:48,035 --> 01:09:49,429 It could be adult ADD. 1216 01:09:49,552 --> 01:09:51,719 - Talk to your doctor. - Ask your doctor. 1217 01:09:51,916 --> 01:09:53,188 Ask your doctor. 1218 01:09:53,536 --> 01:09:56,466 Yes, ask your doctor, and ask him for more drugs. 1219 01:09:56,917 --> 01:09:59,856 That should keep you pretty doped up until it's time to retire. 1220 01:10:00,059 --> 01:10:01,129 Did I say retire? 1221 01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,911 Well if you do make it to 80, I'm sure pension will still be there. 1222 01:10:06,117 --> 01:10:09,579 Unlike the new employees who'll never see a pension. 1223 01:10:09,749 --> 01:10:12,114 But don't worry, I'm sure our kid�s will take care of us, 1224 01:10:12,274 --> 01:10:14,289 considering the great life we've given them. 1225 01:10:14,935 --> 01:10:17,084 And remember, let's defeat the terrorists over there, 1226 01:10:17,204 --> 01:10:18,689 so we don't have to fight them here. 1227 01:10:20,497 --> 01:10:23,994 KAISER PERMANENTE is the largest H.M.O. in the country. 1228 01:10:24,431 --> 01:10:26,661 And Dawnell Keys was fortunate enough 1229 01:10:26,857 --> 01:10:28,538 to live fully insured by them. 1230 01:10:29,147 --> 01:10:31,205 It's a good thing, because one night, 1231 01:10:31,363 --> 01:10:36,306 her 18 months old daughter Mychelle, developed a fever of over a 104�F. 1232 01:10:37,221 --> 01:10:40,039 So like any responsible mom, she called 911, 1233 01:10:40,710 --> 01:10:43,694 and the ambulance took Mychelle to the closest hospital. 1234 01:10:44,824 --> 01:10:47,429 The hospital checked with her H.M.O. and they were told 1235 01:10:47,549 --> 01:10:51,273 that KAISER would not cover the tests and the antibiotics necessary 1236 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,522 to treat Mychelle. 1237 01:10:53,901 --> 01:10:58,441 She would have to take her to an in-network KAISER home hospital. 1238 01:10:58,818 --> 01:11:01,889 KAISER said that I should bring her by car 1239 01:11:02,237 --> 01:11:06,927 to the hospital and that she shouldn�t be treated at Martin Luther King. 1240 01:11:07,882 --> 01:11:12,196 I just continued to ask them to treat her, and they refused. 1241 01:11:13,797 --> 01:11:15,558 My daughter got worse... 1242 01:11:16,509 --> 01:11:18,045 and she had a seizure. 1243 01:11:19,048 --> 01:11:23,691 Dawnell bet the doctors to not listen to KAISER and to treat her daughter. 1244 01:11:25,152 --> 01:11:29,890 I was escorted out of the hospital because they felt that I was a threat. 1245 01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,754 After hours of delay, she was transported to KAISER, 1246 01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:39,776 and got there just in time to go into cardiac arrest. 1247 01:11:40,935 --> 01:11:45,023 They worked on her for about 30 minutes trying to revive her. 1248 01:11:45,578 --> 01:11:47,424 And the doctors came in, 1249 01:11:47,829 --> 01:11:49,591 and let use know that... 1250 01:11:50,147 --> 01:11:51,852 She had expired. 1251 01:11:54,979 --> 01:11:56,288 I was in a daze. 1252 01:11:56,712 --> 01:12:00,442 A real daze, it just... didn't seem real. 1253 01:12:01,553 --> 01:12:02,862 I just held her. 1254 01:12:03,248 --> 01:12:07,563 I held her and I told her that mommy tried her best to help her, 1255 01:12:07,827 --> 01:12:13,139 to make sure that she was gonna get the treatment she needed to receive. 1256 01:12:13,485 --> 01:12:14,813 And that I was sorry, 1257 01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:16,810 that I was unable to help her. 1258 01:12:32,496 --> 01:12:34,935 This is Corrina, and her daughter Zoe. 1259 01:12:35,783 --> 01:12:38,599 Corrina is a graduate of Michigan State University, 1260 01:12:38,882 --> 01:12:41,736 and a native of my home town, of Flint, Michigan. 1261 01:12:42,414 --> 01:12:45,861 Six months ago, Zoe, like Dawnell's baby Mychelle, 1262 01:12:46,237 --> 01:12:48,196 came down with a high fever. 1263 01:12:48,498 --> 01:12:50,881 What happened is she stops breathing 1264 01:12:51,022 --> 01:12:53,499 for a little while, turned blue and passed out my arms, 1265 01:12:53,678 --> 01:12:55,025 which was... 1266 01:12:55,770 --> 01:12:59,292 It was... the most horrible moment in my life, I think, 1267 01:12:59,471 --> 01:13:02,551 just because I thought that she was either dead or dying. 1268 01:13:03,032 --> 01:13:04,795 And I had no clue what to do. 1269 01:13:05,782 --> 01:13:08,900 At the hospital, they gave her some medicine, 1270 01:13:09,023 --> 01:13:12,451 bring the fever down, and examined her, took some blood... 1271 01:13:12,574 --> 01:13:14,467 And what they determine was wrong with her? 1272 01:13:14,655 --> 01:13:19,496 It was a throat infection. But we stayed at the hospital from Friday to Sunday. 1273 01:13:19,694 --> 01:13:21,256 Just so they can keep an eye on her. 1274 01:13:21,493 --> 01:13:23,452 - And you stayed there that long? - Yeah. 1275 01:13:23,989 --> 01:13:25,873 They just basically kept an eye on her. 1276 01:13:26,165 --> 01:13:27,983 And how much did all this cost you though? 1277 01:13:28,190 --> 01:13:30,611 - 3+ days in a hospital... - Nothing. 1278 01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:32,155 - Nothing? - Nothing. 1279 01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:35,508 - Nothing at all. - And that's because... 1280 01:13:36,582 --> 01:13:38,880 - I live in France. - You live in France? 1281 01:13:39,003 --> 01:13:40,011 Yeah. 1282 01:13:43,261 --> 01:13:44,796 Ah, France... 1283 01:13:45,117 --> 01:13:47,424 They enjoy their wine, their cigarettes, 1284 01:13:47,961 --> 01:13:49,497 and their fatty foods. 1285 01:13:49,855 --> 01:13:52,511 And yet, just like the Canadians and the Brits, 1286 01:13:53,124 --> 01:13:54,971 they live much longer than we do. 1287 01:13:55,442 --> 01:13:59,058 Something about that seemed grossly unfair. 1288 01:14:01,140 --> 01:14:02,562 This is Alexy Cromone. 1289 01:14:02,826 --> 01:14:07,460 He spent his entire adult life in the US without health insurance. 1290 01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:12,056 I lived in America for 13 years. 1291 01:14:12,395 --> 01:14:13,827 I loved my life there. 1292 01:14:14,176 --> 01:14:16,464 But then when I discovered that I had a tumor, 1293 01:14:16,672 --> 01:14:18,254 and I didn't have health insurance, 1294 01:14:18,527 --> 01:14:20,562 unfortunately I had to come back here. 1295 01:14:21,352 --> 01:14:24,493 And even though I never paid any taxes in France, 'cause I never worked here. 1296 01:14:24,616 --> 01:14:27,262 I left when I was 18, I didn't even have a social security number. 1297 01:14:27,409 --> 01:14:28,651 For them I was saying, well... 1298 01:14:28,789 --> 01:14:30,748 he needs treatment, he has no income, so... 1299 01:14:31,783 --> 01:14:34,082 we're gonna give him, you know, the treatment he needs. 1300 01:14:35,136 --> 01:14:36,248 How're you doing now? 1301 01:14:36,578 --> 01:14:37,642 I'm healthy now, 1302 01:14:38,026 --> 01:14:40,015 but I had 3 months of intensive chemo therapy. 1303 01:14:40,353 --> 01:14:43,904 So after the 3 months, I saw my doctor and he said "You wanna go back to work?" 1304 01:14:44,243 --> 01:14:46,033 I said, "No, I don't feel like it. 1305 01:14:46,768 --> 01:14:49,678 "Just right now, I'm not ready." He said, "How much do you need?" 1306 01:14:49,801 --> 01:14:52,909 I said, "Well, I don't know..." He said, "Would 3 months be okay?" 1307 01:14:53,041 --> 01:14:55,461 I said, "I think 3 months will be fine." 1308 01:14:55,925 --> 01:14:59,259 He said, "Okay, so take 3 months off", so he wrote me a, you know, a note, 1309 01:15:00,541 --> 01:15:03,398 that I gave to my employer so as to make sure that I get paid. 1310 01:15:03,946 --> 01:15:06,674 - So I went to the south of France... - Wait a minute... you get... 1311 01:15:06,804 --> 01:15:08,702 three months off with pay? 1312 01:15:08,824 --> 01:15:10,626 Yes. Yes. 1313 01:15:10,906 --> 01:15:12,498 I get 65%... 1314 01:15:13,534 --> 01:15:15,743 paid by the government, 1315 01:15:15,961 --> 01:15:19,145 and then the other 35% is paid by my employer. 1316 01:15:19,769 --> 01:15:22,061 To make sure you got a 100%. 1317 01:15:23,548 --> 01:15:25,472 So, it was April. I was free again. 1318 01:15:25,594 --> 01:15:28,323 So I started right away. Sucking up some sun. 1319 01:15:28,508 --> 01:15:31,971 And that really, you know, helped me a lot to get allowed of 1320 01:15:32,339 --> 01:15:34,070 recharge my batteries and... 1321 01:15:34,385 --> 01:15:36,065 I mean, it was like... night and day. 1322 01:15:36,275 --> 01:15:39,896 In 3 months, I went from a 95 year old man to 1323 01:15:40,263 --> 01:15:42,362 35 year old man, you know, again. 1324 01:15:42,509 --> 01:15:45,976 And that's because I had that time to take care of myself. 1325 01:15:51,904 --> 01:15:55,253 I'm not really in a position to make any judgment 1326 01:15:55,375 --> 01:15:57,939 concerning the American system. 1327 01:15:58,231 --> 01:16:01,555 I think the United States are a great, great country 1328 01:16:01,681 --> 01:16:04,011 Americans are great people. I really love them. 1329 01:16:04,431 --> 01:16:07,632 But as a doctor... first, 1330 01:16:08,052 --> 01:16:09,662 as a citizen, second, 1331 01:16:09,784 --> 01:16:12,041 and eventually as a patient, third, 1332 01:16:12,303 --> 01:16:14,665 I'm very glad to be in France. 1333 01:16:15,452 --> 01:16:17,341 It's kind of a luxury here. 1334 01:16:17,498 --> 01:16:20,385 You are sick. You step into a hospital 1335 01:16:20,542 --> 01:16:21,592 You got the care you need. 1336 01:16:21,906 --> 01:16:25,003 It doesn't depend on your premiums. It depends on what you need. 1337 01:16:25,866 --> 01:16:28,018 One main principle is solidarity. 1338 01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,793 People who are better off pay for those who are worse off. 1339 01:16:33,580 --> 01:16:35,324 You pay according to your means 1340 01:16:35,446 --> 01:16:37,317 and you receive according to your needs. 1341 01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,354 Do you think that would ever work in America? 1342 01:16:40,911 --> 01:16:42,066 No. 1343 01:16:43,264 --> 01:16:46,553 He could barely contain his seething anti Americanism. 1344 01:16:47,078 --> 01:16:49,387 And I just didn't want to listen to anymore of it. 1345 01:16:55,415 --> 01:16:57,366 So I found a group of Americans 1346 01:16:57,523 --> 01:16:59,010 currently living in Paris 1347 01:16:59,368 --> 01:17:01,327 who I know would tell me the truth. 1348 01:17:02,533 --> 01:17:06,102 I was diagnosed, 5 years ago, with type 1 diabetes. 1349 01:17:06,241 --> 01:17:09,144 I was actually a little bit nervous to tell them that I had... 1350 01:17:09,266 --> 01:17:11,192 - To tell the French. - To tell the French. 1351 01:17:11,314 --> 01:17:12,416 There's a place to check off 1352 01:17:12,538 --> 01:17:14,349 whether or not you have a chronic condition. 1353 01:17:14,506 --> 01:17:17,392 I was nervous that they were going to charge me more or something. 1354 01:17:17,733 --> 01:17:19,552 And instead, I went into a hospital, 1355 01:17:19,727 --> 01:17:21,494 and had round the clock care 1356 01:17:21,695 --> 01:17:24,301 and they do an amazing amount of preventative care. 1357 01:17:24,502 --> 01:17:27,493 So they asked you if you have a pre-existing condition 1358 01:17:27,615 --> 01:17:28,875 - not to punish you... - Yes. 1359 01:17:28,997 --> 01:17:31,079 - ...but to give you more help? - Yes. 1360 01:17:31,201 --> 01:17:33,126 I was in a hospital for a year 1361 01:17:33,248 --> 01:17:35,697 and as soon as I was in, it was... 1362 01:17:36,099 --> 01:17:38,233 "Well... Don't worry. Just rest." 1363 01:17:38,373 --> 01:17:40,595 - Yes. - People said "Rest". 1364 01:17:40,717 --> 01:17:42,799 How many sick days you got in a year. Three, four ? 1365 01:17:43,034 --> 01:17:44,452 - I think it's unlimited. - Yeah. 1366 01:17:44,574 --> 01:17:45,764 - You're sick... - Unlimited? 1367 01:17:45,886 --> 01:17:48,545 Yes. How can you limit sick days? 1368 01:17:48,667 --> 01:17:49,787 If you're sick, you're sick. 1369 01:17:49,909 --> 01:17:53,066 I've gone to the emergency rooms numerous times 1370 01:17:53,188 --> 01:17:54,256 with four boys. 1371 01:17:54,378 --> 01:17:56,748 And I've never waited more than an hour. Never. 1372 01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:59,652 I can call and have somebody come to the house within half an hour. 1373 01:17:59,783 --> 01:18:00,785 - No way ? - Yes. 1374 01:18:00,931 --> 01:18:03,168 Making a house call ? At your place ? 1375 01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:05,582 How many of you have had a house call from a doctor? 1376 01:18:05,748 --> 01:18:07,699 - No! - Last, 3 AM last Friday. 1377 01:18:07,821 --> 01:18:09,780 - And how much does this cost you? - Nothing. 1378 01:18:09,955 --> 01:18:11,424 What's the service called? 1379 01:18:16,839 --> 01:18:17,853 Where are we going? 1380 01:18:21,289 --> 01:18:23,930 We are going to see a man who has abdominal pain. 1381 01:18:24,438 --> 01:18:25,925 - Abdominal pain? - Yeah. 1382 01:18:26,414 --> 01:18:29,108 So... If it's just a stomach ache, why are we going so fast? 1383 01:19:07,893 --> 01:19:09,397 Where do we go next? 1384 01:19:09,555 --> 01:19:11,531 - The next visit? - Yeah. 1385 01:19:45,179 --> 01:19:47,895 One thing that I say to anyone who'd ask me why I'm in this country 1386 01:19:48,017 --> 01:19:49,907 it's that I think it's one of the familiest, 1387 01:19:50,035 --> 01:19:52,094 friendliest country than I know of. 1388 01:19:52,216 --> 01:19:55,846 And talk about family values. I mean child care, health care... 1389 01:19:55,968 --> 01:19:57,725 We don't pay for day care, we don't pay... 1390 01:19:57,847 --> 01:20:00,296 The day care where I set my daughter... and I was a teacher, 1391 01:20:00,418 --> 01:20:02,255 I mean, the standards are very high. 1392 01:20:05,853 --> 01:20:08,578 So how much does that cost you to have 2 children here in day care? 1393 01:20:08,700 --> 01:20:09,719 How much per hour? 1394 01:20:16,606 --> 01:20:19,003 Are you happy with how they're cared for? 1395 01:20:34,860 --> 01:20:37,555 Here, my kids, they are sure that they are going to get 1396 01:20:37,677 --> 01:20:40,721 you know, a certain level of care, a certain education. 1397 01:20:40,948 --> 01:20:42,619 college I don't have to worry about... 1398 01:20:42,741 --> 01:20:43,743 What do you mean? 1399 01:20:43,870 --> 01:20:45,698 - It's free. - You're kidding? 1400 01:20:45,820 --> 01:20:46,914 For nothing? 1401 01:20:47,036 --> 01:20:48,881 You can get college education for free. 1402 01:20:49,003 --> 01:20:50,018 - No way! - Yes! 1403 01:20:50,145 --> 01:20:52,511 There's not a sense of desperation! 1404 01:20:52,633 --> 01:20:53,892 That's the worse part. 1405 01:20:54,189 --> 01:20:55,209 Then they're happy? 1406 01:20:55,336 --> 01:20:58,545 They can spend time with their kids, they've vacations, family time... 1407 01:20:58,667 --> 01:21:00,828 So how many weeks of paid vacations? 1408 01:21:00,950 --> 01:21:02,209 Minimum 5 weeks... 1409 01:21:02,331 --> 01:21:04,251 5 weeks ? Minimum of 5 weeks. 1410 01:21:04,373 --> 01:21:05,408 That's the French law. 1411 01:21:05,572 --> 01:21:08,603 Except if you work for a large company. Then you get sometimes 8, 10 weeks. 1412 01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:10,561 Remembering that there's a 35 hour week. 1413 01:21:10,701 --> 01:21:12,296 The productivity rate is so high here. 1414 01:21:12,434 --> 01:21:14,406 I read that it was higher than the United States. 1415 01:21:14,534 --> 01:21:15,646 They're relaxed! 1416 01:21:15,792 --> 01:21:17,722 If they're working more than 35 hours a week, 1417 01:21:17,844 --> 01:21:19,139 they get extra days off. 1418 01:21:19,261 --> 01:21:22,200 That is for half time and full time employees as well. 1419 01:21:22,322 --> 01:21:25,139 You get 5 weeks paid vacations even if you're a part time employee? 1420 01:21:25,261 --> 01:21:27,203 - Of course, yeah! - Everybody. 1421 01:21:27,325 --> 01:21:29,442 If you get married, you get an extra week, 1422 01:21:29,564 --> 01:21:31,418 or extra 7 days for your honey moon. 1423 01:21:31,540 --> 01:21:32,949 In addition to your 5 weeks. 1424 01:21:33,071 --> 01:21:34,716 - You're paid on your honey moon? - Yes. 1425 01:21:34,844 --> 01:21:36,999 - You got 2 days off too... - Yeah, if you move. 1426 01:21:37,121 --> 01:21:39,308 If you're gonna move from one apartment to another? 1427 01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:40,970 - Yeah. - One day. 1428 01:21:41,092 --> 01:21:43,103 You've a day to move and they pay you that day? 1429 01:21:45,342 --> 01:21:47,403 When my daughter was 3 months, a free service 1430 01:21:47,549 --> 01:21:49,303 sent somebody to your home to give you tips 1431 01:21:49,425 --> 01:21:51,084 on how to put your kid to bed... 1432 01:21:51,230 --> 01:21:52,609 every single day, for free. 1433 01:21:53,676 --> 01:21:55,797 And they'll come to your house and do your laundry! 1434 01:21:57,130 --> 01:21:59,579 - It will! Sure! - No! 1435 01:21:59,748 --> 01:22:01,795 Stop! Stop! 1436 01:22:07,042 --> 01:22:08,249 What are you doing? 1437 01:22:14,686 --> 01:22:15,945 You from the government? 1438 01:22:19,749 --> 01:22:21,096 Can she do anything else? 1439 01:22:21,411 --> 01:22:22,863 If I want, yes. 1440 01:22:23,143 --> 01:22:25,872 She's, of course, taking care of the children. 1441 01:22:26,557 --> 01:22:30,297 And I think if I ask her to 1442 01:22:30,498 --> 01:22:32,790 to prepare a meal for tonight, she can do it. 1443 01:22:39,506 --> 01:22:40,616 No problem. 1444 01:22:41,745 --> 01:22:46,249 She's coming twice a week, 4 hours a day. 1445 01:22:46,424 --> 01:22:48,182 So I can do everything I want 1446 01:22:48,418 --> 01:22:50,464 for me, for the house, for my husband, 1447 01:22:50,587 --> 01:22:51,715 during 4 hours. 1448 01:22:51,907 --> 01:22:53,587 It's very precious for me. 1449 01:22:54,496 --> 01:22:57,356 You don't have any associations? Nothing to help like that? 1450 01:22:57,478 --> 01:22:58,494 No. 1451 01:22:58,616 --> 01:23:02,237 Nobody from the government comes to your home in America 1452 01:23:02,499 --> 01:23:05,665 and does your laundry for you, if you're a new mother. 1453 01:23:06,951 --> 01:23:08,954 - It's difficult. - Yeah. 1454 01:23:10,328 --> 01:23:14,491 Something that I experience a lot with my own family is guilt. 1455 01:23:15,121 --> 01:23:18,462 Guilt for being here almost and seeing 1456 01:23:18,838 --> 01:23:21,610 the advantages and the benefits I have at such a young age. 1457 01:23:21,732 --> 01:23:24,645 Things that my parents work their whole life for 1458 01:23:24,933 --> 01:23:27,190 and haven't even come close to touching. 1459 01:23:27,530 --> 01:23:30,417 It's really hard to know that you're here 1460 01:23:30,547 --> 01:23:32,367 in a very privileged position 1461 01:23:32,489 --> 01:23:33,947 you know, not living the high life, 1462 01:23:34,069 --> 01:23:35,732 but in comparison, definitely. 1463 01:23:35,854 --> 01:23:37,848 And that seems completely... 1464 01:23:38,890 --> 01:23:39,890 unfair. 1465 01:23:40,717 --> 01:23:44,110 One of the things that keeps everything running here is that... 1466 01:23:44,565 --> 01:23:46,288 the government is afraid of the people. 1467 01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:48,116 They're afraid of protests. 1468 01:23:48,238 --> 01:23:50,425 They're afraid of reactions from the people. 1469 01:23:50,860 --> 01:23:53,432 Whereas in the States, people are afraid of the government. 1470 01:23:53,589 --> 01:23:56,721 They're afraid of... of... of acting up. 1471 01:23:56,843 --> 01:23:59,344 They're afraid of protesting. They're afraid of getting out. 1472 01:23:59,939 --> 01:24:01,601 In France, that's what people do. 1473 01:24:42,694 --> 01:24:44,426 Free college education, 1474 01:24:44,548 --> 01:24:45,956 free medical care, 1475 01:24:46,078 --> 01:24:47,968 government employed nannies... 1476 01:24:48,090 --> 01:24:51,046 I began to wonder how do they pay for all this? 1477 01:24:51,506 --> 01:24:54,655 And then I realized... They're drowning in taxes! 1478 01:24:55,127 --> 01:24:57,471 I wanted to see what effect this might have 1479 01:24:57,698 --> 01:24:59,745 on a average middle class family. 1480 01:25:00,025 --> 01:25:01,704 So I went to find out. 1481 01:25:06,242 --> 01:25:07,292 - Hello! - Hello. 1482 01:25:07,414 --> 01:25:08,813 - Welcome. - Welcome. 1483 01:25:09,722 --> 01:25:11,017 It's really nice. 1484 01:25:21,246 --> 01:25:23,450 - It's the news. - Yes. Thanks. 1485 01:25:26,183 --> 01:25:29,298 What is your combined income for the 2 of you together 1486 01:25:29,420 --> 01:25:30,732 for... say one month? 1487 01:25:36,441 --> 01:25:39,082 And yet you live very nicely on that income. 1488 01:25:49,182 --> 01:25:51,430 And how much do you pay each month on your mortgage? 1489 01:25:59,854 --> 01:26:01,324 How many cars do you own? 1490 01:26:01,464 --> 01:26:02,496 - Two. - Two. 1491 01:26:02,636 --> 01:26:04,787 Do you owe any money from medical bills? 1492 01:26:07,359 --> 01:26:09,476 Is there any other debts, loans, anything? 1493 01:26:11,428 --> 01:26:12,723 Only the apartment. 1494 01:26:13,335 --> 01:26:16,011 And, what are your other big expenses? 1495 01:26:16,536 --> 01:26:17,620 The fish. 1496 01:26:21,014 --> 01:26:22,492 Vegetables. 1497 01:26:22,614 --> 01:26:24,740 Vegetables are a big month expense for you. 1498 01:26:24,862 --> 01:26:26,717 Yes. Fruit. 1499 01:26:26,839 --> 01:26:28,850 - Yoghurt. - Yoghurt. 1500 01:26:29,235 --> 01:26:30,880 What are your other big expenses? 1501 01:26:31,037 --> 01:26:32,157 Holidays. 1502 01:26:32,734 --> 01:26:33,819 Very important. 1503 01:26:49,937 --> 01:26:51,319 - Kenya. - We like. 1504 01:26:52,736 --> 01:26:53,794 Are you happy? 1505 01:26:53,943 --> 01:26:54,958 Yes. 1506 01:27:14,582 --> 01:27:17,014 After seeing all this, I began to wonder... 1507 01:27:18,676 --> 01:27:21,370 Was there a reason our government and our media 1508 01:27:22,077 --> 01:27:24,001 wants us to hate the French? 1509 01:27:30,069 --> 01:27:33,165 Are they worried we might like the French? 1510 01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:40,626 Or like their ways of doing things? 1511 01:27:48,983 --> 01:27:52,306 It was enough to make me put away my "freedom fries". 1512 01:28:03,310 --> 01:28:05,217 Meanwhile, back at home, 1513 01:28:05,637 --> 01:28:08,506 hospitals had found a new way to deal with patients 1514 01:28:08,628 --> 01:28:10,255 who didn't have health insurance 1515 01:28:11,042 --> 01:28:12,632 and couldn't pay their bill. 1516 01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,260 I was standing up against the wall and I saw a cab 1517 01:28:17,488 --> 01:28:18,765 do a u-turn, 1518 01:28:19,062 --> 01:28:20,339 pull up to the curb, 1519 01:28:20,496 --> 01:28:22,176 and I watched to see what was happening 1520 01:28:22,298 --> 01:28:24,275 because I had a feeling what was going to occur, 1521 01:28:24,397 --> 01:28:26,233 'cause it's not a new thing. 1522 01:28:26,601 --> 01:28:29,225 They pulled up right here by this yellow fire hydrant 1523 01:28:29,536 --> 01:28:32,615 and dropped Carol off and immediately pulled away. 1524 01:28:32,737 --> 01:28:34,047 And as soon as they pulled away, 1525 01:28:34,207 --> 01:28:36,540 she walked out into the street about out to here. 1526 01:28:36,662 --> 01:28:39,114 She did walk all the way down to the drive way down here, 1527 01:28:39,236 --> 01:28:40,238 completely confused, 1528 01:28:40,365 --> 01:28:42,491 not knowing... has no shoes on whatsoever 1529 01:28:42,613 --> 01:28:43,915 and just a hospital gown. 1530 01:28:44,043 --> 01:28:46,326 If you've ever been to a hospital, you know they're thin. 1531 01:28:46,472 --> 01:28:48,743 And that's when one of our staff members went out 1532 01:28:48,865 --> 01:28:50,645 and asked Carol if she needed any assistance 1533 01:28:50,773 --> 01:28:52,827 and found out that she was confused and disoriented 1534 01:28:52,978 --> 01:28:54,184 and didn't know where she was. 1535 01:30:09,414 --> 01:30:14,091 Kaiser Permanente in Bellflower hospital had put her in a cab 1536 01:30:14,382 --> 01:30:18,047 and directed them to bring her to this drop-off point. 1537 01:30:18,392 --> 01:30:21,755 But the names of the hospitals had been taken off of both bracelets 1538 01:30:21,877 --> 01:30:22,932 before she arrived here. 1539 01:30:23,054 --> 01:30:26,263 I have seen others here that have come through our doors, 1540 01:30:26,385 --> 01:30:27,836 who have got IV still on their arms. 1541 01:30:28,294 --> 01:30:30,606 They told me that at their shelter alone, 1542 01:30:31,061 --> 01:30:34,113 over 50 patients had been dumped there by hospitals. 1543 01:30:34,646 --> 01:30:35,863 Their options are very few : 1544 01:30:36,001 --> 01:30:37,904 either open the front door and let them out, 1545 01:30:38,026 --> 01:30:40,659 which isn't the humane thing to do, something we don't want to do, 1546 01:30:40,823 --> 01:30:43,120 or we try to find some place for them to go. 1547 01:30:43,660 --> 01:30:46,889 And right now, Skid Row is the best bet in town. 1548 01:30:48,515 --> 01:30:50,520 In fact, the night before we were there, 1549 01:30:51,005 --> 01:30:54,598 the county hospital run by the university of Southern California, 1550 01:30:54,973 --> 01:30:57,368 one of the richest private schools in the country, 1551 01:30:57,558 --> 01:30:59,485 dumped another patient off on the curb. 1552 01:31:01,799 --> 01:31:05,159 A woman unable to pay her hospital bill. 1553 01:31:08,249 --> 01:31:09,413 Do you know how you got here? 1554 01:31:09,535 --> 01:31:11,274 - By the cab. - The cab? 1555 01:31:11,396 --> 01:31:14,228 From General Hospital, [they] gave him the cab fare. 1556 01:31:17,338 --> 01:31:21,339 He dropped me off there, he actually forced me out of the car. 1557 01:31:21,757 --> 01:31:23,550 Ma'am, are you in pain right now? 1558 01:31:24,289 --> 01:31:26,452 - Are you in pain? - Yes, I am. 1559 01:31:26,574 --> 01:31:27,751 Is there anything we can... 1560 01:31:27,942 --> 01:31:30,947 She, at this time, has broken ribs, broken collarbone, 1561 01:31:31,297 --> 01:31:34,020 and stitches that are not completely healed 1562 01:31:34,485 --> 01:31:37,003 across the top of her head and on the side of her head. 1563 01:31:37,318 --> 01:31:38,467 Now let me ask you, ma'am. 1564 01:31:38,672 --> 01:31:40,235 Before they dropped you off, 1565 01:31:40,506 --> 01:31:43,243 - did they ask you if you knew where you were going? 1566 01:31:44,454 --> 01:31:47,328 So they didn't ask you any questions about your orientation, 1567 01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:49,809 whether or not you knew what was going on. 1568 01:31:50,780 --> 01:31:53,393 No, they just told me to take care of myself. 1569 01:31:57,717 --> 01:32:01,343 May I take a minute to ask a question that has been on my mind? 1570 01:32:03,526 --> 01:32:04,536 Who are we? 1571 01:32:06,921 --> 01:32:08,632 Is this what we've become? 1572 01:32:09,617 --> 01:32:11,724 A nation that dumps its own citizens 1573 01:32:12,192 --> 01:32:14,291 like so much garbage on the side of the curb, 1574 01:32:14,696 --> 01:32:17,077 because they can't pay their hospital bill? 1575 01:32:19,074 --> 01:32:21,496 I always thought and believe to this day 1576 01:32:21,870 --> 01:32:23,807 that we're good and generous people. 1577 01:32:24,073 --> 01:32:26,099 This is what we do when somebody's in trouble. 1578 01:32:26,727 --> 01:32:29,874 Anybody gets sick, we all get together and help. 1579 01:32:30,312 --> 01:32:31,571 People with a good heart... 1580 01:32:32,413 --> 01:32:33,809 You feel like you're sacrificing, 1581 01:32:33,946 --> 01:32:35,890 but then you get a blessing from doing this 1582 01:32:36,012 --> 01:32:37,298 and that's the way we all feel. 1583 01:32:37,736 --> 01:32:38,746 ... and a good soul. 1584 01:32:39,049 --> 01:32:40,596 We've got a lot of community support, 1585 01:32:40,719 --> 01:32:43,597 and we're gonna all keep working until we locate this child. 1586 01:32:43,834 --> 01:32:45,737 Neighbors who are quick to lend a helping hand 1587 01:32:45,859 --> 01:32:47,675 to anyone in their hour of need. 1588 01:32:48,259 --> 01:32:49,860 I deliver meals to them, 1589 01:32:50,462 --> 01:32:54,772 but my life has been so blessed that it's just the least that I can do. 1590 01:32:55,894 --> 01:32:58,344 They say that you can judge a society 1591 01:32:58,959 --> 01:33:01,627 by how it treats those who are the worst-off. 1592 01:33:02,913 --> 01:33:04,336 But is the opposite true? 1593 01:33:04,925 --> 01:33:06,539 That you can judge a society 1594 01:33:07,593 --> 01:33:09,358 by how it treats its best? 1595 01:33:11,217 --> 01:33:12,353 Its heroes? 1596 01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,800 The firefighters and police, rescue and recovery workers 1597 01:33:17,142 --> 01:33:19,140 have responded with true heroism. 1598 01:33:20,667 --> 01:33:22,582 It was their initial heroism 1599 01:33:23,034 --> 01:33:25,709 that thwarted the objectives of the terrorists. 1600 01:33:26,236 --> 01:33:28,332 Without regard, in many instances, 1601 01:33:28,521 --> 01:33:31,286 to their own safety and security... 1602 01:33:31,408 --> 01:33:33,186 They truly are heroes. 1603 01:33:33,761 --> 01:33:35,636 We owe them everything! 1604 01:33:37,024 --> 01:33:38,912 Here they are, folks, the men and women 1605 01:33:39,131 --> 01:33:41,349 who have been on the frontlines, for New York, 1606 01:33:41,471 --> 01:33:43,346 and for all of us in America! 1607 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,170 Tonight is dedicated to you! 1608 01:33:53,463 --> 01:33:55,545 Don't forget about the raffles going on over there, 1609 01:33:55,673 --> 01:33:57,274 we got $1 each. 1610 01:33:58,465 --> 01:34:00,681 I spent two and a half year down there, 1611 01:34:01,147 --> 01:34:04,035 I got upper and lower, breathing problems. 1612 01:34:04,157 --> 01:34:05,658 I need a double lung transplant 1613 01:34:05,827 --> 01:34:07,715 but I was diagnosed for pulmonary fibrosis. 1614 01:34:07,837 --> 01:34:11,402 I haven't slept in a bed in over 5 years, I sleep on a chair... 1615 01:34:11,607 --> 01:34:14,740 with a blanket in the living room, because if I lay down, I can't breathe. 1616 01:34:15,175 --> 01:34:17,885 There were hundreds of rescue workers on 9/11 1617 01:34:18,104 --> 01:34:20,060 who were not city employees, 1618 01:34:20,416 --> 01:34:24,636 but rather went down to Ground Zero on their own to help out. 1619 01:34:24,758 --> 01:34:26,851 We need volunteers for Thursday! 1620 01:34:27,043 --> 01:34:30,874 And many developed serious respiratory illnesses. 1621 01:34:31,709 --> 01:34:33,488 That's when the government said, 1622 01:34:33,665 --> 01:34:38,154 "They are not our responsibility, because they weren't on our payroll." 1623 01:34:40,456 --> 01:34:44,465 John Graham is an EMT volunteer from Paramus, New Jersey. 1624 01:34:45,749 --> 01:34:48,783 He was in Lower Manhattan when he heard the planes hit, 1625 01:34:49,317 --> 01:34:50,650 and rushed over to help. 1626 01:34:51,853 --> 01:34:54,730 He worked in the rescue effort for the next few months, 1627 01:34:54,931 --> 01:34:58,407 but then had trouble receiving benefits for his illness. 1628 01:34:59,875 --> 01:35:02,051 No, they'd just deny it for any reason. 1629 01:35:02,789 --> 01:35:05,252 It's just a terrible waiting game. 1630 01:35:05,389 --> 01:35:07,702 I really feel like they're waiting for you to die. 1631 01:35:09,481 --> 01:35:10,521 It's terrible. 1632 01:35:10,958 --> 01:35:12,655 I never thought that we would do this. 1633 01:35:14,188 --> 01:35:15,995 That the United States would do this. 1634 01:35:16,117 --> 01:35:20,003 William Maher is a volunteer member of New Jersey's fire service. 1635 01:35:20,610 --> 01:35:23,689 He spent two months working on the pile at Ground Zero, 1636 01:35:23,894 --> 01:35:28,342 recovering bodies or body parts, and it deeply affected him. 1637 01:35:28,464 --> 01:35:31,748 I'm experiencing a lot of disturbing dreams, 1638 01:35:31,886 --> 01:35:33,589 or whatever you'd like to call them, 1639 01:35:33,802 --> 01:35:37,077 and it affected what I was doing at night, 1640 01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:38,432 and you know, unaware of it 1641 01:35:38,554 --> 01:35:41,620 because I was asleep and I just kept grinding and grinding my teeth. 1642 01:35:41,742 --> 01:35:44,767 The upper fronts are damaged, practically beyond repair 1643 01:35:44,889 --> 01:35:48,022 because of my constant grinding over the last three years. 1644 01:35:48,199 --> 01:35:49,970 Before, I was at workers-comp. board already 1645 01:35:50,092 --> 01:35:54,243 for the 9/11 volunteers fund, and I've been denied 3 times, 1646 01:35:54,365 --> 01:35:58,690 and hopefully I will go on my 4th appeal soon, 1647 01:35:58,812 --> 01:36:01,101 if I can get the necessary documentation. 1648 01:36:03,660 --> 01:36:06,876 Of course, there was a $50 million fund set up 1649 01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,352 supposedly to help rescue workers. 1650 01:36:09,694 --> 01:36:12,239 Ladies and gentlemen, the governor of New York, George Pataki. 1651 01:36:13,119 --> 01:36:16,211 But the government, like the health insurance companies, 1652 01:36:16,731 --> 01:36:19,796 made it very difficult for people to receive help. 1653 01:36:20,218 --> 01:36:24,241 You have to have spent a certain amount of time at Ground Zero, 1654 01:36:24,364 --> 01:36:27,389 you have to be able to establish that, 1655 01:36:27,511 --> 01:36:31,602 you do have to file an affidavit within the next year, 1656 01:36:32,302 --> 01:36:34,903 relating your work experiences at Ground Zero 1657 01:36:35,025 --> 01:36:37,927 and even with all of that, it's not automatic. 1658 01:36:38,049 --> 01:36:40,785 There is a presumption, when certain illnesses occur, 1659 01:36:40,967 --> 01:36:45,086 but that presumption can be rebutted by other medical evidence. 1660 01:36:45,660 --> 01:36:49,905 So we think it is a very fair approach that protects our heroes. 1661 01:36:57,038 --> 01:36:58,043 I'm sorry. 1662 01:36:58,375 --> 01:37:03,233 Reggie Cervantes was a volunteer emergency medical technician on 9/11. 1663 01:37:03,661 --> 01:37:05,496 Nothing makes it go away sometimes, 1664 01:37:05,618 --> 01:37:09,661 not water, not cough medicine, not anything, 1665 01:37:09,839 --> 01:37:11,796 It's just... 1666 01:37:12,334 --> 01:37:16,110 burning in my throat and irritated and it just gets to me coughing. 1667 01:37:16,507 --> 01:37:18,477 Sometimes I have trouble breathing 1668 01:37:18,710 --> 01:37:20,393 because I can't catch my breath. 1669 01:37:23,123 --> 01:37:24,959 Reggie spent her days at Ground Zero 1670 01:37:25,558 --> 01:37:28,883 carrying bodies and treating other rescue workers. 1671 01:37:29,307 --> 01:37:32,550 My airway was totally burnt that first week, 1672 01:37:32,673 --> 01:37:34,684 and I had trouble breathing by then. 1673 01:37:35,291 --> 01:37:37,919 But we wanted to see if we could dig anybody up alive, 1674 01:37:38,041 --> 01:37:39,272 we wanted to see... 1675 01:37:40,408 --> 01:37:43,446 if we had lost anybody, if we were still missing somebody. 1676 01:37:44,531 --> 01:37:47,952 I wanted to help. I was trained for this. 1677 01:37:48,567 --> 01:37:52,070 You know, you see somebody who is in need, you help them. 1678 01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:56,869 Reggie had difficulty getting treatment. 1679 01:37:57,649 --> 01:38:00,358 Too sick to work, and with no income, 1680 01:38:00,825 --> 01:38:02,576 she was forced to quit her job, 1681 01:38:02,946 --> 01:38:06,818 and used her savings to move her and her kids out of the city. 1682 01:38:09,664 --> 01:38:12,295 It's hard to figure out how you're supposed to get help. 1683 01:38:12,892 --> 01:38:15,232 We're trying to go about it the right way. 1684 01:38:16,929 --> 01:38:17,982 But we're ignored. 1685 01:38:19,351 --> 01:38:23,018 But not everyone after 9/11 was ignored by the government. 1686 01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,760 We're now approaching the 5-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. 1687 01:38:29,772 --> 01:38:32,673 So I'm announcing today that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, 1688 01:38:33,665 --> 01:38:36,675 Abu Zubaydah, Ramzi Binalshibh, 1689 01:38:37,106 --> 01:38:39,993 and 11 other terrorists in CIA custody, 1690 01:38:40,211 --> 01:38:43,931 had been transferred to the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay. 1691 01:38:45,928 --> 01:38:47,174 On that island today 1692 01:38:47,296 --> 01:38:51,333 are some of the world's most ardent enemy combatants. 1693 01:38:51,665 --> 01:38:55,168 These detainees are deadly and include the 20th hijacker, 1694 01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,808 as well as a number of Osama bin Laden's personal bodyguards 1695 01:38:59,123 --> 01:39:03,054 and others who had a direct role in the September 11 attacks. 1696 01:39:03,967 --> 01:39:06,320 The kind of people held in Guantanamo 1697 01:39:06,641 --> 01:39:09,474 include terrorist trainers, bomb makers... 1698 01:39:09,697 --> 01:39:11,648 Many of them have American blood on their hands 1699 01:39:11,770 --> 01:39:15,061 and they are certainly the elite of Al-Quaeda. 1700 01:39:15,540 --> 01:39:17,578 It seems to me we have an obligation 1701 01:39:17,897 --> 01:39:21,796 to treat these individuals as enemy combatants. 1702 01:39:23,028 --> 01:39:26,763 And then I learned it wasn't all bad news, at Gitmo. 1703 01:39:32,813 --> 01:39:35,905 Detainees representing a threat to our national security 1704 01:39:36,543 --> 01:39:39,057 are given access to top-notch medical facilities. 1705 01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:42,519 They have acute care, 24 hours a day, 1706 01:39:42,828 --> 01:39:44,665 in which surgical procedures, 1707 01:39:44,803 --> 01:39:48,367 everything can be performed right there, in the detainee camps. 1708 01:39:48,546 --> 01:39:51,399 This is the dental clinic, well, the health clinic/dental clinic. 1709 01:39:51,521 --> 01:39:53,314 We have a physical therapy department, 1710 01:39:53,436 --> 01:39:55,885 we have X-ray capabilities with digital X-rays. 1711 01:39:56,104 --> 01:39:58,074 We have one single operating room. 1712 01:39:58,229 --> 01:40:03,415 Health personal to detainee ratio is 1 to 4, remarkably high. 1713 01:40:03,538 --> 01:40:05,905 We do sick call on the blocks 3 times per week, 1714 01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:07,577 care for them there if they can. 1715 01:40:07,852 --> 01:40:10,424 We'll bring that detainee back to the clinic to be seen there. 1716 01:40:10,928 --> 01:40:13,120 Screening for cancer is taking place there. 1717 01:40:13,243 --> 01:40:14,859 Colonoscopy is a procedure 1718 01:40:14,981 --> 01:40:17,903 which is performed there on a routine basis. 1719 01:40:18,025 --> 01:40:20,964 We have diabetes, high blood-pressure, high cholesterol. 1720 01:40:21,299 --> 01:40:24,256 We do periodically monitor of the weight and nutrition of the detainees, 1721 01:40:24,378 --> 01:40:25,939 so that we can track those detainees 1722 01:40:26,061 --> 01:40:27,754 to make sure we're seeing them frequently, 1723 01:40:27,929 --> 01:40:30,450 monitoring their labs [test results] and their overall health. 1724 01:40:30,578 --> 01:40:31,880 Their medical attention... 1725 01:40:32,017 --> 01:40:34,263 They're getting way better medical treatment than... 1726 01:40:34,414 --> 01:40:35,835 I've ever had. 1727 01:40:37,135 --> 01:40:39,480 So you think it's as good as most HMOs in the US? 1728 01:40:39,602 --> 01:40:41,422 Certainly very similar and as good, sir. 1729 01:40:41,589 --> 01:40:44,363 I live with an impression that health care there is... 1730 01:40:44,897 --> 01:40:47,775 clearly better than they received at home 1731 01:40:48,514 --> 01:40:52,353 and as good as many people receive in the USA. 1732 01:40:53,973 --> 01:40:56,997 So there is actually one place on American soil 1733 01:40:57,339 --> 01:40:59,802 that had free universal health care. 1734 01:41:00,811 --> 01:41:02,700 That's all I needed to know. 1735 01:41:04,876 --> 01:41:06,750 I went down to Miami, Florida, 1736 01:41:08,072 --> 01:41:09,444 got myself a boat, 1737 01:41:10,835 --> 01:41:12,400 and loaded up Bill, 1738 01:41:13,166 --> 01:41:14,187 Reggie, 1739 01:41:14,810 --> 01:41:15,906 and John... 1740 01:41:16,552 --> 01:41:18,678 - Thanks. - Welcome, sir. 1741 01:41:18,871 --> 01:41:20,179 ... and anyone else I could find 1742 01:41:20,301 --> 01:41:22,871 that needed to see a doctor and couldn't afford one. 1743 01:41:23,161 --> 01:41:26,659 So many people showed up, I had to get a couple extra boats. 1744 01:41:27,291 --> 01:41:29,571 And I called up Danna Smith from Denver, 1745 01:41:29,803 --> 01:41:32,348 who is now on 9 different medications, 1746 01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:34,711 and asked her if she'd like to come along. 1747 01:41:34,963 --> 01:41:38,277 I figured she'd like to get out of her daughter's basement for a while. 1748 01:41:39,249 --> 01:41:40,350 All right, let's go! 1749 01:41:56,904 --> 01:41:58,933 Which way to Guantanamo Bay? 1750 01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:01,076 Can we go? 1751 01:42:01,617 --> 01:42:04,261 We're not going to Cuba, we're going to America! 1752 01:42:05,211 --> 01:42:06,641 It's American soil! 1753 01:42:43,748 --> 01:42:44,762 We made it. 1754 01:43:00,629 --> 01:43:02,735 There it is. There's the runway. 1755 01:43:03,525 --> 01:43:06,075 That's the prison over there where the detainees are. 1756 01:43:06,347 --> 01:43:08,772 - We're very close. - Yes, we're very close. 1757 01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:14,657 The white building is the hospital, I think. 1758 01:43:17,112 --> 01:43:18,194 Okay, let's go. 1759 01:43:23,527 --> 01:43:25,208 We commandeered a fishing boat, 1760 01:43:26,114 --> 01:43:28,259 and sailed into Guantanamo Bay. 1761 01:43:30,153 --> 01:43:31,886 As we approached the line in the water 1762 01:43:32,008 --> 01:43:34,771 between the American and Cuban side of the bay, 1763 01:43:35,099 --> 01:43:37,167 we were told to be careful for mines. 1764 01:43:40,652 --> 01:43:41,946 Permission to enter. 1765 01:43:42,352 --> 01:43:44,835 I have three 9/11 rescue workers. 1766 01:43:45,579 --> 01:43:47,434 They need some medical attention. 1767 01:43:52,187 --> 01:43:56,950 These are 9/11 rescue workers, they just want some medical attention. 1768 01:43:57,153 --> 01:43:59,356 The same kind that Al-Qaeda is getting. 1769 01:44:02,380 --> 01:44:04,915 They don't want any more than you're giving the evil-doers. 1770 01:44:05,470 --> 01:44:06,610 Just the same. 1771 01:44:10,340 --> 01:44:12,910 No one in the guard tower was responding and then, 1772 01:44:13,076 --> 01:44:14,950 suddenly we heard a siren 1773 01:44:15,201 --> 01:44:17,269 and we figured it was time to get out of here. 1774 01:44:18,061 --> 01:44:20,979 But what was I supposed to do with all these sick people 1775 01:44:21,211 --> 01:44:22,713 and no one to help them. 1776 01:44:23,083 --> 01:44:26,755 I mean here, we were stuck at some God-forsaken Third-World country 1777 01:44:27,238 --> 01:44:28,649 and communists, no less. 1778 01:44:29,054 --> 01:44:31,856 When I was a kid, these people wanted to kill us. 1779 01:44:32,802 --> 01:44:34,348 What was I supposed to do? 1780 01:44:55,165 --> 01:44:57,652 Excuse me, we're looking for a doctor. 1781 01:44:57,774 --> 01:44:59,238 Is there a doctor here in Cuba? 1782 01:45:14,904 --> 01:45:16,799 All right, thank you very much. Thank you. 1783 01:45:17,579 --> 01:45:20,143 OK. OK. I know what you're thinking. 1784 01:45:20,651 --> 01:45:22,474 Cuba is where Lucifer lives. 1785 01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:27,373 The worse place on Earth. 1786 01:45:27,621 --> 01:45:29,956 The most evil nation ever created. 1787 01:45:30,937 --> 01:45:32,344 How do we know that? 1788 01:45:32,664 --> 01:45:35,372 Cause that's what we've been told for over 45 years. 1789 01:45:35,585 --> 01:45:38,514 ... that a series of offensive missile sites 1790 01:45:39,027 --> 01:45:42,549 can be none other than to provide a nuclear strike capability 1791 01:45:43,017 --> 01:45:44,568 against the western hemisphere. 1792 01:45:44,731 --> 01:45:46,760 I'm not gonna yield until Fidel Castro 1793 01:45:47,038 --> 01:45:48,731 allows freedom on the island. 1794 01:45:51,504 --> 01:45:53,216 You can count on it. 1795 01:45:54,276 --> 01:45:55,367 Put it in the bank. 1796 01:45:56,630 --> 01:45:59,128 It seems that what really bugged us about Castro 1797 01:45:59,559 --> 01:46:03,009 was that he overthrew the dictator that we liked. 1798 01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:06,683 And replaced him with a dictator that we didn't like: 1799 01:46:07,466 --> 01:46:09,149 himself. 1800 01:46:10,283 --> 01:46:12,522 And so now, after all these years, 1801 01:46:12,861 --> 01:46:14,794 the one thing the Cubans do have, 1802 01:46:15,004 --> 01:46:17,387 is free universal health care. 1803 01:46:17,966 --> 01:46:19,994 They've become known around the world 1804 01:46:20,248 --> 01:46:23,071 as having not only one of the best health care systems 1805 01:46:23,448 --> 01:46:26,740 but as being one of the most generous countries in providing doctors 1806 01:46:26,899 --> 01:46:29,683 and medical equipment to Third World countries. 1807 01:46:30,002 --> 01:46:34,629 In the US, health care cost run nearly $6.000 per person. 1808 01:46:34,873 --> 01:46:38,468 But in Cuba, they spend only $251. 1809 01:46:38,727 --> 01:46:40,627 And yet the Cubans are able to have 1810 01:46:40,764 --> 01:46:43,205 a lower infant mortality rate than the US, 1811 01:46:43,622 --> 01:46:46,636 a longer average live-span than the US. 1812 01:46:47,488 --> 01:46:49,813 They believe in preventative medicine. 1813 01:46:49,973 --> 01:46:52,557 And it seems like there's a doctor on every block. 1814 01:46:54,134 --> 01:46:56,680 Their only sin, when it comes to health care, 1815 01:46:56,975 --> 01:47:01,034 seems to be that they don't do it for profit. 1816 01:47:01,487 --> 01:47:04,257 Anybody got any medication right now for the pharmacy? 1817 01:47:10,430 --> 01:47:12,074 Hello. Are you the pharmacist? 1818 01:47:12,938 --> 01:47:14,278 You have this? 1819 01:47:16,844 --> 01:47:19,218 - Cause this one's similar to yours? - Yeah. 1820 01:47:19,952 --> 01:47:21,866 It's a $120 in the US. 1821 01:47:21,986 --> 01:47:24,283 - This is a $120 in the US. - Yes. 1822 01:47:27,572 --> 01:47:29,820 3.20. So how much is that in American dollars? 1823 01:47:30,144 --> 01:47:32,374 It's like a... 5 cents. 1824 01:47:32,603 --> 01:47:33,603 - 5 cents? - Yeah. 1825 01:47:47,081 --> 01:47:48,584 Thank you very much. 1826 01:47:48,978 --> 01:47:50,452 Muchas Gracias. 1827 01:47:51,137 --> 01:47:54,518 A $120 is a lot of money when you're getting 1828 01:47:54,642 --> 01:47:59,107 a $1000 in security disability [checks] and you need 1 or 2 a month. 1829 01:47:59,294 --> 01:48:02,767 5 cents here, it's like the biggest insult. 1830 01:48:03,672 --> 01:48:05,786 It just doesn't make any sense. 1831 01:48:09,456 --> 01:48:12,496 I wanna fill a suitcase up and go back home with it. 1832 01:48:38,463 --> 01:48:41,411 I took my group of sick Americans to a hospital 1833 01:48:41,693 --> 01:48:43,721 to see if they could get some care. 1834 01:48:45,564 --> 01:48:48,511 They didn't ask for money or an insurance card. 1835 01:48:51,799 --> 01:48:52,870 Just their name. 1836 01:48:58,990 --> 01:49:01,736 That was the entire intake session. 1837 01:49:21,870 --> 01:49:24,004 Thank you very much for doing this. 1838 01:49:26,704 --> 01:49:29,278 I asked them to give us the same exact care 1839 01:49:29,512 --> 01:49:31,972 they give their fellow Cubans citizens. 1840 01:49:32,118 --> 01:49:34,099 No more, no less. 1841 01:49:34,558 --> 01:49:36,385 And that's what they did. 1842 01:49:36,768 --> 01:49:39,787 I'm Dr. Roque. I'm going turn on my decent specialties. 1843 01:49:39,983 --> 01:49:41,859 - John Graham. - How are you feeling? 1844 01:49:42,213 --> 01:49:44,414 My lungs hurt. I have pain. 1845 01:49:44,897 --> 01:49:47,931 I get pretty severe nose bleeds at times. 1846 01:49:48,069 --> 01:49:50,129 I get terrible headaches in the middle of the night 1847 01:49:50,277 --> 01:49:51,467 but I haven't been evaluated 1848 01:49:51,593 --> 01:49:53,445 for the sleep apnea for 9 years. 1849 01:49:53,567 --> 01:49:57,246 - Yeah, I have... - Many medications for lungs problems. 1850 01:49:57,590 --> 01:50:00,260 Almost every medication for lung problems, I've got. 1851 01:50:00,508 --> 01:50:04,365 After 9/11, since the things that have happened, my teeth sort of falling out. 1852 01:50:04,485 --> 01:50:07,777 Because of certain conditions, I was grinding. 1853 01:50:07,974 --> 01:50:10,471 There's one test that they recommended I take, 1854 01:50:10,597 --> 01:50:13,185 that is about 5 to $7.000. 1855 01:50:13,307 --> 01:50:18,440 The dentist that I talked to, it's like $15.000 or more. 1856 01:50:18,607 --> 01:50:20,969 Now it's 2 years I have no medical coverage 1857 01:50:21,156 --> 01:50:23,506 so I can't go for the last part of the test. 1858 01:50:26,191 --> 01:50:28,545 It's okay, everything's gonna be okay. Right? 1859 01:50:30,162 --> 01:50:31,312 I am so... 1860 01:50:32,401 --> 01:50:36,449 It's so hard for me to digest somebody saying it's free. 1861 01:50:37,893 --> 01:50:41,989 Because 20 years of our lives have been spent fighting. 1862 01:50:42,927 --> 01:50:46,544 So I am so grateful. I... 1863 01:50:47,735 --> 01:50:50,098 No, You don't need to say that. 1864 01:50:53,807 --> 01:50:56,296 Come on, don't cry. Everything's gonna be okay. Right? 1865 01:50:56,721 --> 01:50:59,056 At least what we can do, right? 1866 01:52:21,342 --> 01:52:25,581 Reggie was diagnosed with a series of pulmonary and bronchial problems. 1867 01:52:26,107 --> 01:52:29,629 The Cubans doctors gave her a treatment plan to follow back home. 1868 01:52:30,877 --> 01:52:33,949 Along with some of those 5 cent inhalers. 1869 01:52:35,116 --> 01:52:38,772 William Maher received a number of treatments on his neck and his back. 1870 01:52:39,091 --> 01:52:41,694 And having ground down his teeth for 3 years straight 1871 01:52:41,819 --> 01:52:44,213 due to post-traumatic stress disorder 1872 01:52:44,446 --> 01:52:46,862 he left Cuba with a new set of teeth. 1873 01:52:49,304 --> 01:52:53,201 After a series of test on his heart, lungs, blood and stomach, 1874 01:52:53,492 --> 01:52:55,980 John now knew what his ailments were. 1875 01:52:56,253 --> 01:52:59,631 He was given a strict plan to follow, plus a number of treatments 1876 01:53:00,526 --> 01:53:03,263 and was feeling better than he had in years. 1877 01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:08,688 The Cubans doctors were able to take Donna of 5 of her 9 medications. 1878 01:53:09,093 --> 01:53:10,863 And with a correct diagnosis, 1879 01:53:11,112 --> 01:53:15,281 gave her a treatment plan to help her live a more normal life. 1880 01:53:21,434 --> 01:53:23,656 When the firefighters and paramedics in Havana 1881 01:53:23,776 --> 01:53:26,264 heard that the 9/11 rescue workers were in town, 1882 01:53:26,530 --> 01:53:29,152 they invited them over to one of their fire houses. 1883 01:53:29,817 --> 01:53:31,832 And so, on our last day there, 1884 01:53:32,173 --> 01:53:34,756 as we arrived, they stood at attention 1885 01:53:34,948 --> 01:53:37,752 because, they said, they wanted to honor 1886 01:53:38,058 --> 01:53:39,694 the heroes of 9/11. 1887 01:54:26,018 --> 01:54:27,022 My brother. 1888 01:54:27,148 --> 01:54:31,206 The brothers we lost on 9/11 was felt around the world. 1889 01:54:37,373 --> 01:54:39,468 Don't hesitate to hug your brother. 1890 01:54:44,973 --> 01:54:47,365 It's very important to them to wear the SCBA 1891 01:54:47,485 --> 01:54:49,576 so they don't end up like me. 1892 01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:51,921 These tanks. 1893 01:54:52,043 --> 01:54:53,964 SCBA : Self Contained Breathing Aparatus. 1894 01:55:17,442 --> 01:55:20,542 If this is what can happen between supposed enemies, 1895 01:55:21,202 --> 01:55:24,762 if one enemy can hold out his hand and offer to heal, 1896 01:55:25,173 --> 01:55:27,594 then what else is possible? 1897 01:55:28,807 --> 01:55:31,241 "Mike, fahrenheit is not a temperature measurement." 1898 01:55:31,368 --> 01:55:33,851 That's when I heard that the man who runs the biggest 1899 01:55:33,986 --> 01:55:36,515 anti-Michael Moore website on the internet 1900 01:55:36,845 --> 01:55:38,988 was going to have to shut it down. 1901 01:55:39,113 --> 01:55:41,893 BAD NEWS He could no longer afford to keep it up 1902 01:55:42,225 --> 01:55:44,048 because his wife was ill 1903 01:55:44,402 --> 01:55:47,570 and they couldn't afford to pay for her health insurance. 1904 01:55:48,674 --> 01:55:51,890 He was faced with a choice of either keep attacking me 1905 01:55:52,564 --> 01:55:54,774 or pay for his wife's health. 1906 01:55:55,817 --> 01:55:58,545 Fortunately, he chose his wife. 1907 01:55:59,657 --> 01:56:03,293 But something seemed wrong about being forced into such a decision. 1908 01:56:04,016 --> 01:56:05,719 Why in a free country 1909 01:56:05,896 --> 01:56:08,250 shouldn't he be able to have health insurance 1910 01:56:08,424 --> 01:56:10,711 and exercise his 1st Amendment right 1911 01:56:10,883 --> 01:56:12,979 to run me into the ground? 1912 01:56:14,609 --> 01:56:18,992 So I wrote a check for the $12.000 he needed to keep his wife insured 1913 01:56:19,174 --> 01:56:22,781 and in treatment, and send it to him anonymously. 1914 01:56:25,540 --> 01:56:27,262 His wife got better 1915 01:56:27,717 --> 01:56:30,703 and his website is still going strong. 1916 01:56:36,691 --> 01:56:38,854 It was hard for me to acknowledge that 1917 01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:42,444 in the end, we truly are all in the same boat. 1918 01:56:43,467 --> 01:56:45,908 And that, no matter what are our differences, 1919 01:56:46,211 --> 01:56:48,508 we sink or swim together. 1920 01:56:49,343 --> 01:56:52,309 That's how it seems to be everywhere else. 1921 01:56:53,405 --> 01:56:55,377 They take care of each other. 1922 01:56:55,597 --> 01:56:57,482 No matter what their disagreements. 1923 01:56:59,130 --> 01:57:01,996 You know, when we see a good idea from another country, 1924 01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:03,907 we grab it. 1925 01:57:04,935 --> 01:57:07,605 If they build a better car, we drive it. 1926 01:57:08,961 --> 01:57:11,870 If they make a better wine, we drink it. 1927 01:57:13,238 --> 01:57:16,185 So, if they have come up with a better way to treat the sick, 1928 01:57:16,927 --> 01:57:18,664 to teach their kids, 1929 01:57:19,831 --> 01:57:21,879 to take care of their babies, 1930 01:57:23,286 --> 01:57:25,487 to simply be good to each other, 1931 01:57:25,908 --> 01:57:27,558 then what's our problem? 1932 01:57:28,690 --> 01:57:30,453 Why can't we do that? 1933 01:57:31,490 --> 01:57:33,168 They live in a world of "we", 1934 01:57:33,455 --> 01:57:34,809 not "me". 1935 01:57:35,885 --> 01:57:39,550 We'll never fix anything until we get that one basic thing right. 1936 01:57:40,584 --> 01:57:43,540 And powerful forces hope that we never do. 1937 01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:48,011 And that we remain the only country in the western world 1938 01:57:48,260 --> 01:57:51,686 without free universal health care. 1939 01:57:52,404 --> 01:57:55,849 You know, if we ever did remove the chokehold of medical bills, 1940 01:57:56,542 --> 01:57:59,594 college loans, day care, 1941 01:57:59,728 --> 01:58:02,896 and everything else that makes us afraid to step out of line, 1942 01:58:04,086 --> 01:58:06,107 well, watch out, 1943 01:58:06,890 --> 01:58:09,115 cause it'll be a new day in America. 1944 01:58:10,269 --> 01:58:14,011 In the meantime, I'm gonna go get the government 1945 01:58:14,915 --> 01:58:16,063 to do my laundry. 1946 01:58:17,305 --> 01:59:17,843 Someone needs to stop Clearway Law. 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