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It was a horrific crime.
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People were shocked.
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They were afraid.
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Idaho Falls hadn't
experienced anything like this.
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But the police
have arrested somebody.
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He's even confessed.
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So I can remember thinking,
"Okay, good, they got the guy."
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I don't remember a lot of
thought in the community that,
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"Okay, this is the wrong guy."
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Or any thought, quite honestly.
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But we found these videos,
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and if you watch
all of them together,
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you can see how there were
some weird things going on.
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I had nothing to do with this.
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But people were confused.
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Why would someone admit to
something that they didn't do?
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I think Idaho Falls in 1996
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was a lot like
what you see now.
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Idaho Falls is a town
of 60,000 or so,
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and everybody knows everybody.
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The Mormon Church is not
just the dominant religion,
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but it's the dominant culture.
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It's ... It's very conservative,
it's very insulated.
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The old saying is
Mormons make good communities,
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and you see that.
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It's generally a safe place.
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It's generally a good place
to raise kids.
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But then the world fell apart
when Angie Dodge was murdered,
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and it's just been
a nightmare ever since.
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Angie Dodge's life
was cut short last night.
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It was a horrible shock
to her friends and family.
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What happened here is too
brutal to even consider.
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Police won't even say how many
times the victim was stabbed.
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This town probably averages
one or two murders a year.
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And the murders here tend
to be domestics or bar fights,
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or, you know,
things that are understandable.
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This wasn't understandable.
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Okay, June 13, 1996.
Idaho Falls.
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Angie Dodge, 18 years old,
is murdered,
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and subsequently
sexually assaulted
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in her own apartment.
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There was no sign
of an actual break-in.
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There was
tremendous brutality.
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She's ... She's
almost decapitated.
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And there was substantial
crime-scene evidence
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with ejaculate
on the body.
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Yeah, the perpetrator
clearly left his DNA,
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but they still were
unable to identify
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a viable suspect
at that time.
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For neighbors who live
near 444 I Street,
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the most difficult
element of this crime
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is the unanswered question.
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Was Angie Dodge's brutal death
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targeted,
or was it simply a random act?
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People were shocked.
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They were afraid
because obviously,
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someone had done this
and was out there.
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It was something
that got written about a lot
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in the newspaper.
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And you saw it
from the police perspective.
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Those guys really tried hard.
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We're interviewing
all family members,
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associates, friends of hers,
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and just trying to
determine what went on.
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There was a huge effort
expended on their part.
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I mean, they pulled hundreds
of people in, ran a lot of DNA.
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They took this as personally
as everybody else did.
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We all live here.
Nobody wants to see this.
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As one friend said,
it's like she's frozen in time.
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She can't come back,
and she can't move forward
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until there is some closure
to her murder.
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Angie had a really bright,
loud personality.
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You couldn't miss her.
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She was fun. She was funny.
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She told you how it is.
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If she didn't like you,
she'd tell you.
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And that was the cool
thing about her.
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She's beautiful.
She hated wearing shoes.
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She was just great to be
around, you know?
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She was fun,
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and she was like a protector,
and she was a great friend.
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She seemed to be
outgoing, gregarious.
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She was like a really nice
young woman
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with friends and a job
and an apartment.
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She had just really
graduated from high school.
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You have, you know,
a-a very young victim,
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and I would be very surprised
that that offender's over 23.
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This was my only daughter,
and I hope you come forward
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and make it easy
on everyone.
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From the police perspective,
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they hadn't experienced this
to go in
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and try to process
this crime scene
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and try to understand
how this happened.
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It was really
difficult for them.
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Although this was a huge thing
in Idaho Falls,
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the case went cold
for about six months.
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And that's when they get
a tip out of Ely, Nevada,
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that Ben Hobbs,
who was from Idaho Falls,
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was actually involved
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in another rape allegation
down there.
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And so, he becomes a suspect
in the Angie Dodge murder.
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It's been very emotional the
whole time to get through this.
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And, like I said,
through the investigations,
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through information that is ...
that ... that we've developed,
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that has come in
from some people out there,
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we got the leads.
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Now, that was
a good lead, right?
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Somebody from Idaho Falls gets
arrested for a knifepoint rape.
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So they go to Ely, Nevada,
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and they start
to question Hobbs.
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And he was friends
with Angie Dodge.
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They send Hobbs' DNA
out for testing,
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but before any
results come back,
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they pull in Hobbs'
circle of friends,
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including Chris Tapp.
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Jared Fuhriman called
my house, and he's like,
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"Hey, we have
a couple questions for you.
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We'll come pick you up."
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I said all right.
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And that's when
all of it started.
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Jared Fuhriman had
a relationship with me
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before this.
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He was the school resource
officer in my junior high.
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He was someone
I thought I could trust.
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I had a little bit of a,
you know,
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drug and alcohol problem
growing up,
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so I imagined that they wanted
to talk to me
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about something drug-related.
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I had no idea it was ever about
the Angie Dodge murder.
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I met Angie through Ben
in 1995.
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And we all hung out
at the river.
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Ben Hobbs, Jeremy Sargis,
Tom Brown.
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And we were just a pretty
laid-back group of friends.
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Basically, our days consisted
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of just hanging out
down at the river.
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We weren't fighters or thieves
or troublemakers or anything.
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But the police start talking
to all of us.
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Seemed like they were
kind of honing in on
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the river people
right out of the gate.
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Jared Fuhriman asked me
if I could go down
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to the police station and stuff.
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And I went, "What for?"
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He just says, "I got
a few questions to ask you."
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I don't really remember
the first interrogation.
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There was so many.
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Okay.
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They interrogated a lot of us.
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Just grabbing us
out of the blue.
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We thought, well,
let's just cooperate and try
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and help solve this crime.
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We thought,
let's brainstorm with them.
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Maybe we can help.
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And they took that as
we might know something.
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So then they start talking to me
a little bit about Ben Hobbs.
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Ben's giving you up,
saying this, saying that,
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and I was floored.
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Fuhriman started getting
really rude and saying,
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"Well, you need to confess,"
and stuff.
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He wouldn't back down.
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I said, "I don't know nothing.
I don't have any ideas.
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I can't help you.
I had nothing to do with it."
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Here's the problem
in my opinion.
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The focus is on people
who were down at the river.
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And so that's where the
investigation funnels to.
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It just seemed like
a weird narrative to me
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from the beginning.
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I think the officers
tried to make the facts
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fit their theory instead of
the opposite, you know?
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You are so right
on there.
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Fuhriman told me, you know, that
they had Ben dead to rights.
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And they're, ya know ...
They're gonna ...
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They're gonna take him down.
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And so I got a little upset with
him, and I tried something else.
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I confronted him.
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He stormed out of
the interrogation room,
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and that upset him pretty good.
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My father come down,
and he kind of raised hell
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with the police department,
saying,
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"My son had nothing
to do with it.
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You can't hold him.
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If you got anything to hold him,
you better do it or let him go."
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After that, I left.
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After I got arrested,
my dad hired a big lawyer,
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and when I went to court,
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he wouldn't even let me
tell them my name.
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All I could say was,
on the advice of my attorney,
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I invoke
my Fifth Amendment Right,
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and that's truly what saved me.
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If Chris would have done that,
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they wouldn't have had
anything.
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I was so scared and so confused
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and so bewildered.
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Chris, you could push him
around a little bit,
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you know,
and the police saw that,
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and they pushed him
around pretty hard.
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Where was his lawyer?
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It looks like he fell
into the trap a lot of people do.
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If they feel like
they're innocent, he said,
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"Well, what harm
can my statements be?
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If I didn't do anything,
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I'm comfortable talking to the
police without representation."
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But as long as
he keeps coming down
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and wanting to talk
to the interrogators,
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what's wrong with that?
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It's legal.
This is all perfectly legal.
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Absolutely.
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But is it fair to say
that rarely, if ever,
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does a suspect do himself
or herself any good
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by showing up to talk
to you folks without a lawyer?
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Even if they're
completely innocent.
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As an interrogator,
I won't agree with that.
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And the reason why I won't
agree with that
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because it's better
for the victim for me
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to be able to extract
the truth from you.No, no, I know that.
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But your son gets arrested,
do you say,
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"Son, you just go ahead
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and tell those officers
everything you know."
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I teach all my kids,
"Look here,
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anybody ever pick you up,
shut your mouth."
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-Right.
-Wait until you get an attorney.
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My husband kept
taking him down there.
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I says, "That's ridiculous."
I says, "You don't do that."
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And he says, "Well, I know
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that he doesn't have
nothing to hide."
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And it just kept escalating.
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And I understand that.
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They took me in for
questioning so many times.
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It kept going on and on.
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And he came home one day,
and he says,
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"Mom, things ain't
going right."
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I says, "You're not going
down there anymore."
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And he says, "I promised 'em."
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I said, "I don't care
what you promised them."
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I says, "You're not going
down there anymore."
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Saturday, Fuhriman came, and he
says, "Where's Christopher?"
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And I just flat out
told him, I said,
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"Christopher's not
going down there."
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He just says,
"Well, you know your son is up
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to his eyeballs in this."
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I says, "No, he isn't."
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And he says,
"Well, what do you know?
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You're just the mother."
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I said, "We'll be there Monday
morning with a lawyer."
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So that's when they got
the warrant out for his arrest.
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I chose the attorney
through the phone book.
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You know, it was a Saturday,
so it's really ...
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I just started calling
lawyers in the phone book,
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and someone answered the phone.
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But during an interrogation,
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my attorneys would either
be down the hall
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or in another room
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watching everything going on
in a closed circuit TV.
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Sometimes they weren't even
there in the police department.
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So I had nobody to help me.
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Chris' own attorneys
were a disaster.
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Basically,
once he had his attorneys,
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they let the cops do
whatever they wanted to do.
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-Right, he was ...
-And they weren't even there.
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They weren't in
the interrogation room.
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They were, like,
"Call us if you need us."
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You know, they weren't there for
him the way they should have.
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Chris would have been
perfectly willing
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to follow his lawyer's
advice to shut up.
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If they gave him advice.
Right.
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If they had given him
that advice.
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But he really should have
had better, smarter counsel,
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and they really
should have known better.
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This isn't like
lawyering 7.0.
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No.
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I mean, we learn this
in our first years, right?
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Mm-hmm, absolutely.
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Shut up, don't talk.
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I volunteered to take
the first polygraph.
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I had nothing to fear or hide,
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so I was, like,
"Yeah, I'd take a polygraph."
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I had no fear whatsoever
to take a polygraph.
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-Now, what did you notice?
-Wow.
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You know, he said,
"I really didn't do anything.
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I'm scared," you know?
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That right there should
have been an indicator of,
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"Wait a minute, let's ...
let's back off this guy."
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You know, his leg is crossed,
he's slumped down in his seat.
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You know, he's trying to be open
to them.
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But this guy's totally afraid
of these guys, so ...
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"Gas chamber"
probably does that.
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Absolutely, you know?
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I mean, you know, even in my
years in the federal government,
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you know, we routinely had
to take a polygraph,
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and I can tell you,
it's ... it's intimidating.
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I mean, it's an intimidating
process when you go,
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"Okay, hey, this machine's
gonna tell
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whether I'm, you know,
lying or not."
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I really started
second-guessing myself
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because, you know, I thought
the polygraph was,
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oh, it knows the truth.
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It ... It's not lying.
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It's ... 'Cause that's ...
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You know, it's supposed to be
a truth machine.
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This is the worst
coerced interrogation
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I have ever witnessed.
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And I've viewed
thousands of hours of these.
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Chris was offered
an immunity deal,
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which was used as a cudgel
to manipulate Chris.
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The immunity agreement
gave him a license
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to implicate himself
in the crime.
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As long as he gave
truthful information,
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that was his safety net.
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That immunity deal and the
polygraph were used together
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to get Chris to say whatever
the police wanted him to say.
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They had two people they were
already convinced were there,
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were involved,
were present in the apartment.
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Now they needed
the third person.
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The third person who the police
seem to have constructed.
314
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Because they're still trying
to find somebody
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that would match that DNA.
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Right.
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Instead of saying, "We were
barking up the wrong tree,"
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they doubled down on Ben Hobbs,
Chris Tapp,
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and Jeremy Sargis.
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I know it sounds real bad,
but I gave up my best friend,
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Jer, that was one of my ...
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one of my greatest friends,
you know.
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Just stupid.
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He'd ask a question and then,
you know, after everything,
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"Hey, you're being
truthful about this.
326
00:20:59,214 --> 00:21:00,389
Hey, you're being
truthful about that."
327
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,173
And I'm, like,
328
00:21:02,304 --> 00:21:05,046
I don't understand
how I'm being truthful.
329
00:21:47,131 --> 00:21:51,222
They claim that he lied
about the involvement
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of a person Chris only named
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because he was told
to name him by the detective.
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So they rescind his
immunity agreement.
333
00:22:01,842 --> 00:22:04,714
So any confession
that he makes after that
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00:22:04,845 --> 00:22:07,543
is about trying to get back
his immunity agreement.
335
00:22:12,679 --> 00:22:15,638
The whole early part
of the investigation
336
00:22:15,769 --> 00:22:20,382
is about getting Chris to
implicate both Ben and Jeremy.
337
00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:22,384
When that doesn't work,
338
00:22:22,515 --> 00:22:24,734
they need to get him
to implicate himself.
339
00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:28,477
So they feed information
about the crime to Chris,
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00:22:28,608 --> 00:22:31,001
that only the true
perpetrator would know.
341
00:22:38,792 --> 00:22:41,229
If Chris could have
identified the house,
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00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,189
if Chris could have identified
where the assault took place,
343
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,148
the position of her body,
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00:22:47,278 --> 00:22:50,194
the police would have known
he was guilty.
345
00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:53,850
But he couldn't,
and so these investigators
346
00:22:53,981 --> 00:22:55,417
fed him those facts.
347
00:23:18,658 --> 00:23:21,704
Ultimately, what do
the investigators do?
348
00:23:21,835 --> 00:23:24,359
They took him
to the crime scene.
349
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When they took me
to the apartment,
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I felt really scared.
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00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:33,542
Not scared of going inside.
352
00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:35,326
I was just ... I was scared
'cause I didn't know
353
00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:40,070
what else to give 'em
or ... or ... or to say to 'em.
354
00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:42,551
It was the first time I've ever
been inside the apartment,
355
00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:47,556
and I was just scared.
356
00:23:47,687 --> 00:23:50,167
Then, while we're in
the apartment, they said,
357
00:23:50,298 --> 00:23:51,778
"Well, hey,
walk us through this."
358
00:23:51,908 --> 00:23:53,693
I tried to walk 'em through it.
359
00:23:53,823 --> 00:23:55,564
But, then they said,
"Well, no, you're not right.
360
00:23:55,695 --> 00:23:57,261
It was like this, right?
361
00:23:57,392 --> 00:24:01,352
It was ... It was this way,
and it was that way."
362
00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:03,529
To the point where
I'm getting frustrated,
363
00:24:03,659 --> 00:24:06,575
I'm getting, you know,
there's tears in my eyes
364
00:24:06,706 --> 00:24:11,275
because I just don't know
what to do.
365
00:24:11,406 --> 00:24:13,495
What's important about
the crime scene visit
366
00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:16,411
is, it's not recorded.
367
00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:19,632
They recorded almost
everything with Chris,
368
00:24:19,762 --> 00:24:23,679
but in this critical timeframe,
where Detective Fuhriman claims
369
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:26,465
that Chris finally started
to involve himself
370
00:24:26,595 --> 00:24:29,555
in the crime, is never recorded.
371
00:24:29,685 --> 00:24:33,254
Why?
Why didn't he record it?
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00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:36,910
It's ... It's absurd,
and it leads me to believe
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00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,869
that Detective Fuhriman
fed him additional facts
374
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,829
during that encounter.
375
00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:48,399
At that point,
in my head, going to prison,
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00:24:48,530 --> 00:24:51,794
I didn't think of anything else.
377
00:24:51,925 --> 00:24:53,796
You know, I'm done.
378
00:24:53,927 --> 00:24:57,278
So, I would do
whatever they wanted.
379
00:25:12,206 --> 00:25:14,121
False confessions
are the product
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00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:18,255
of standard psychological
interrogation tactics
381
00:25:18,386 --> 00:25:21,302
that can overwhelm anybody.
382
00:25:21,432 --> 00:25:23,652
Everyone has a breaking point.
383
00:25:23,783 --> 00:25:25,741
They don't understand
that police officers
384
00:25:25,872 --> 00:25:27,700
are allowed to lie to them.
385
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:30,354
And when told that there
is overwhelming evidence
386
00:25:30,485 --> 00:25:32,879
against them,
it can cause
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00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:35,969
a crisis of confidence
in their own memories,
388
00:25:36,099 --> 00:25:37,448
and the truth, of course,
389
00:25:37,579 --> 00:25:40,103
becomes whatever
the officer wants to hear.
390
00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:04,998
All right, guys.
391
00:26:05,128 --> 00:26:07,827
Danny Smith is an investigator
who can help us kind of work
392
00:26:07,957 --> 00:26:10,003
and navigate through next steps.
393
00:26:10,133 --> 00:26:11,700
-Good morning!
-Good morning, Danny.
394
00:26:11,831 --> 00:26:13,093
Hi, how is everybody?
395
00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:15,008
Very good.
396
00:26:15,138 --> 00:26:16,705
Hey, Danny, what's some
of your background?
397
00:26:16,836 --> 00:26:18,620
You know, you have the
background in law enforcement?
398
00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:21,536
I actually am
a retired homicide detective
399
00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:23,320
from Los Angeles County.
400
00:26:23,451 --> 00:26:25,801
I spent a little over
21 years with
401
00:26:25,932 --> 00:26:27,498
the L.A. County
Sheriff's Department.
402
00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:29,370
We've been talking
among ourselves
403
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:33,853
about how this investigation
seemed suspect-focused
404
00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:36,507
rather than
crime-scene focused.
405
00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,815
If you go down there and
walk the crime scene yourself,
406
00:26:39,946 --> 00:26:41,730
you may very well
glean something
407
00:26:41,861 --> 00:26:43,514
that nobody else
paid much attention
408
00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:46,169
to because that really
didn't seem to be their focus.
409
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,998
Yeah, it's imperative
to ... to see the crime scene.
410
00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:52,523
You always can pick up
new details.
411
00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:55,657
So, you know, I'm ... I'm hoping
to take a look at this,
412
00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:57,354
and then give you guys
a better feel
413
00:26:57,485 --> 00:26:59,966
for what actually
we're looking at.
414
00:27:00,096 --> 00:27:02,969
I-I'm interested
in what Chris Tapp himself
415
00:27:03,099 --> 00:27:06,755
has to say upon reflection
as to what happened to him,
416
00:27:06,886 --> 00:27:09,584
how he views it
20 years later.
417
00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:12,674
You know, we have a plan where
we're going to be able
418
00:27:12,805 --> 00:27:15,329
to interview him at the prison.
419
00:27:15,459 --> 00:27:16,852
Well, I know you guys in L.A.,
420
00:27:16,983 --> 00:27:18,332
you're some really good
homicide detectives,
421
00:27:18,462 --> 00:27:19,942
so glad to have you on board.
422
00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:21,727
Thank you.
423
00:27:21,857 --> 00:27:23,119
This is
gonna be a good one.
424
00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,252
Yeah.
I'm real confident about him.
425
00:27:29,822 --> 00:27:34,435
I love Idaho.
It's a great state.
426
00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:36,524
You know, a lot of cops
have moved up here.
427
00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:40,006
We've joked about it.
428
00:27:40,136 --> 00:27:41,921
The crime rate
is very, very low,
429
00:27:42,051 --> 00:27:44,880
you know,
considering where I'm from.
430
00:27:47,796 --> 00:27:52,496
So, it's a great place to live
and have your family.
431
00:27:52,627 --> 00:27:55,195
But the only down side is
that people who investigate
432
00:27:55,325 --> 00:27:59,852
the murders when they do occur,
they have a lot less experience.
433
00:28:02,028 --> 00:28:03,986
I was at L.A. County
Sheriff's Department
434
00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:07,294
Homicide Bureau for
7 years, 21 years on the job.
435
00:28:07,424 --> 00:28:09,426
And with the L.A. County
Sheriff's Department,
436
00:28:09,557 --> 00:28:12,212
homicide's an elite unit.
437
00:28:12,342 --> 00:28:13,692
And, you know, I just was
in an environment
438
00:28:13,822 --> 00:28:15,650
where you ... you couldn't help
439
00:28:15,781 --> 00:28:20,655
but become a seasoned
homicide investigator.
440
00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:23,005
You have to stand in a lot of
crime scenes to really get to
441
00:28:23,136 --> 00:28:26,487
where you know how to
process a crime scene
442
00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:29,011
and how to interpret
a crime scene.
443
00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:35,148
As I've worked as a private
investigator in Idaho,
444
00:28:35,278 --> 00:28:38,629
I don't investigate
a lot of death cases.
445
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,327
There's just not
much call for it,
446
00:28:40,457 --> 00:28:41,894
but, you know, when I'm back
into the mode
447
00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:44,287
of a homicide detective,
448
00:28:44,418 --> 00:28:46,637
I-I have to tell you, I mean,
it's ... it's invigorating
449
00:28:46,768 --> 00:28:49,684
because it was my calling.
450
00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:25,198
-Chris.
How you doing?
451
00:29:25,328 --> 00:29:26,677
I'm Danny Smith.
452
00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:27,896
-How you doing?
-Good, how are you?
453
00:29:28,027 --> 00:29:30,943
-Good. You?
-Good.
454
00:29:31,073 --> 00:29:34,120
You know, you ...
you learn to adapt in prison.
455
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:35,556
I tell people all the time,
456
00:29:35,686 --> 00:29:36,949
I had to become
something in prison
457
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,213
that I wasn't when I was free.
458
00:29:40,343 --> 00:29:43,433
'Cause you have to learn
how to survive in here.
459
00:29:43,564 --> 00:29:45,044
I've thought about
the interrogations
460
00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:47,176
for the last 20-some years.
461
00:29:53,052 --> 00:29:55,054
Okay.
462
00:29:55,184 --> 00:29:56,838
I feel anger towards Fuhriman
463
00:29:56,969 --> 00:29:58,535
and the whole Idaho Falls
Police Department.
464
00:29:58,666 --> 00:30:00,755
I did.
465
00:30:00,886 --> 00:30:03,714
I can't lie.
I still ... to this day,
466
00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:06,892
I still get mad
every once in a while.
467
00:30:07,022 --> 00:30:11,940
But I understood why
they did what they did.
468
00:30:12,071 --> 00:30:14,943
One is because I was able
to get so easily tricked.
469
00:30:15,074 --> 00:30:18,773
And two, it's ... it was
an unsolved-murder case,
470
00:30:18,904 --> 00:30:20,427
so they were trying to do
whatever they had to
471
00:30:20,557 --> 00:30:21,863
to solve this case.
472
00:30:21,994 --> 00:30:23,734
It didn't matter
if it was right or wrong.
473
00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:25,954
They did what they had to do.
474
00:30:26,085 --> 00:30:27,521
It does matter
if it's right or wrong.
475
00:30:35,094 --> 00:30:36,573
-No.
-Tell me the other person
476
00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:38,445
who was there so we can
get an idea.
477
00:30:38,575 --> 00:30:41,143
Then I can run this
and we can get that happening.
478
00:30:41,274 --> 00:30:43,624
Maybe Jer was.
479
00:30:43,754 --> 00:30:45,321
That's what I want to know.
480
00:30:45,452 --> 00:30:47,367
I want you to tell me
like we talked about.
481
00:30:47,497 --> 00:30:50,805
So it's you and Jer ...
Jeremy?
482
00:30:50,936 --> 00:30:52,067
Yes, sir. And Jeremy.
483
00:30:52,198 --> 00:30:54,417
Okay.
484
00:31:00,597 --> 00:31:04,863
Hurts.
Hurts a lot.
485
00:31:04,993 --> 00:31:08,954
It hurts a lot to see that ...
486
00:31:09,084 --> 00:31:11,652
I...
487
00:31:11,782 --> 00:31:16,483
My friends, I threw them
underneath a bus...
488
00:31:16,613 --> 00:31:20,400
for no reason.
489
00:31:20,530 --> 00:31:24,317
Just 'cause that's what
they wanted me to do.
490
00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:30,801
I can't believe I got
tricked into doing
491
00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:33,326
and saying the things
that I did.
492
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:39,201
And it's sad that I had to waste
20 years of my life in prison
493
00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:43,336
for something
I had nothing to do with.
494
00:31:43,466 --> 00:31:46,339
And grow up and miss everything.
495
00:31:49,603 --> 00:31:51,300
I thought Chris' interview
496
00:31:51,431 --> 00:31:53,128
was interesting
in a number of ways.
497
00:31:53,259 --> 00:31:54,695
His body language
indicates to me
498
00:31:54,825 --> 00:31:57,045
that he was telling the truth.
499
00:31:57,176 --> 00:32:02,007
He was very, very direct,
very honest.
500
00:32:02,137 --> 00:32:05,184
There was no signs
of deception whatsoever.
501
00:32:13,844 --> 00:32:15,150
After they charged me
502
00:32:15,281 --> 00:32:16,978
with the actual crime
of murder,
503
00:32:17,109 --> 00:32:18,937
I met a federal inmate,
504
00:32:19,067 --> 00:32:21,852
and he said his attorney
had never lost a murder case.
505
00:32:21,983 --> 00:32:23,332
So I was, like, "Oh, wow,
that's the greatest thing
506
00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:24,638
in the world."
507
00:32:24,768 --> 00:32:27,728
That's how I got Booker.
508
00:32:27,858 --> 00:32:29,948
I told my mom he'll be able
to win for us.
509
00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:31,950
It's gonna be all right, Mom,
just give him the money,
510
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,343
and everything will be
all right.
511
00:32:34,474 --> 00:32:36,650
So mom got another mortgage
on the house
512
00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:39,348
to get him all the money.
513
00:32:39,479 --> 00:32:41,611
My husband had a heart problem,
514
00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:43,657
and so he couldn't work.
515
00:32:43,787 --> 00:32:46,399
So I had two jobs just to keep
a roof over our heads
516
00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:50,359
and pay for Robert Booker's fee.
517
00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:52,753
So I could only go a couple
of times
518
00:32:52,883 --> 00:32:56,409
to Christopher's trial.
519
00:32:56,539 --> 00:33:00,543
Once Chris realizes
he's made this confession,
520
00:33:00,674 --> 00:33:04,983
he wants to go to trial to say,
"I didn't really do this crime."
521
00:33:05,113 --> 00:33:07,115
But there's a confession, so ...
522
00:33:07,246 --> 00:33:08,856
-So he hires a new lawyer.
-Right.
523
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:10,727
And they try to get
the confession
524
00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,381
suppressed, you know,
on the grounds
525
00:33:12,512 --> 00:33:14,340
that it was obtained
unlawfully.
526
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:15,689
And if the confession gets
thrown out, there's no case.
527
00:33:15,819 --> 00:33:17,256
Yeah.
528
00:33:17,386 --> 00:33:19,127
Because you don't have
a murder weapon,
529
00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:20,737
you don't have an eyewitness,
you don't have DNA.
530
00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:22,783
But the confession
doesn't get suppressed,
531
00:33:22,913 --> 00:33:26,221
and they go to trial
with the confession.
532
00:33:26,352 --> 00:33:30,486
Did Christopher Tapp do anything
in his interview
533
00:33:30,617 --> 00:33:33,576
of the 7th or the 10th
which suggested
534
00:33:33,707 --> 00:33:35,665
to you that Christopher Tapp
understood
535
00:33:35,796 --> 00:33:38,538
the seriousness
of what you were doing?
536
00:33:38,668 --> 00:33:41,715
I don't know
what he was thinking.
537
00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:44,544
Booker was very articulate.
He was a very smart man.
538
00:33:44,674 --> 00:33:47,416
And during the trial, I thought
Booker was doing all right,
539
00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:49,157
proving the points.
540
00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:51,333
What other evidence is there
that there were two
541
00:33:51,464 --> 00:33:54,162
or more people
holding the victim down?
542
00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:57,948
But my confession
was a little much.
543
00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:26,629
A confession is probably the
most powerful piece of evidence
544
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,110
in a court of law.
545
00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:32,940
More powerful, even,
than DNA evidence.
546
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,595
There are cases,
and Chris' is one of them,
547
00:34:35,725 --> 00:34:40,513
where the DNA evidence doesn't
match what Chris says happened.
548
00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:44,865
We don't know whose DNA
was left at the crime scene.
549
00:34:44,995 --> 00:34:48,260
That should be enough,
under most circumstances,
550
00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:51,741
to lead prosecutors
not to charge somebody.
551
00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:56,181
And under most circumstances,
to lead a jury not to convict.
552
00:34:56,311 --> 00:35:01,142
But the jurors can't understand
why any rational person
553
00:35:01,273 --> 00:35:04,754
would confess to a crime
that they didn't commit,
554
00:35:04,885 --> 00:35:08,932
especially a crime that
could land them on death row.
555
00:35:45,926 --> 00:35:48,494
I want to thank everybody.
I want to thank the jury.
556
00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:53,325
You were Angie's voice,
and the verdict was God's will.
557
00:35:53,455 --> 00:35:56,241
And thank you, everybody,
for standing by us
558
00:35:56,371 --> 00:36:00,419
and for all of your prayers and
your comfort and your support.
559
00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:02,638
It's hard to watch those videos
560
00:36:02,769 --> 00:36:04,597
and come up
with an explanation.
561
00:36:04,727 --> 00:36:07,948
It's hard to explain
what Christopher was thinking
562
00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:12,648
when he was going along
with the leading questioning.
563
00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:16,696
And it's clear
that the jury thought
564
00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:19,046
that he was unfolding the truth
565
00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:22,789
rather than responding
to leading questions.
566
00:36:22,919 --> 00:36:25,095
I believe that Christopher
is completely innocent.
567
00:36:25,226 --> 00:36:27,402
I don't believe
that he was there.
568
00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:31,058
It is definitely the most
difficult verdict
569
00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:34,017
I've ever had to be a part of.
570
00:36:34,148 --> 00:36:36,106
There's not much to say
to a kid
571
00:36:36,237 --> 00:36:38,283
who is being faced
at this point
572
00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:40,502
with the possibility
of the death penalty
573
00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:42,287
or life in prison.
574
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,538
I just couldn't believe
they wanted the death penalty.
575
00:37:16,669 --> 00:37:20,150
And that was my most scared
moment of my life
576
00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:22,849
because I thought, if they give
this kid the death penalty,
577
00:37:22,979 --> 00:37:25,112
I mean, I've done lost him.
578
00:37:54,184 --> 00:37:57,449
Then Carol Dodge and
Brent Dodge got up to the stand
579
00:37:57,579 --> 00:37:59,973
and telling me what a worthless
piece of shit of a son
580
00:38:00,103 --> 00:38:02,497
that I had, you know?
581
00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:04,673
That didn't hit good.
582
00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:24,302
I understand how Carol felt.
583
00:38:36,096 --> 00:38:39,708
But I hope that she understands
how I felt at the moment.
584
00:38:57,117 --> 00:39:01,251
Long before they arrested him,
I knew Chris Tapp was involved.
585
00:39:01,382 --> 00:39:05,821
And I came down here, and I-I
did everything I could think of.
586
00:39:05,952 --> 00:39:09,347
Doesn't anybody understand
what is going on in this town?
587
00:39:09,477 --> 00:39:11,827
Won't anybody wake up?
588
00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:15,831
This town needs to wake up!
589
00:39:15,962 --> 00:39:18,834
Take your blinders off,
for hell sakes.
590
00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:27,756
You did a wonderful job,
but my daughter's dead.
591
00:39:27,887 --> 00:39:29,758
It's ... It's deaf ears.
Arrest me.
592
00:39:29,889 --> 00:39:33,588
-No.
-Arrest me. Take me in.
593
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:51,954
And my personal perception
is that's the real
594
00:39:52,085 --> 00:39:54,261
piece of the puzzle that we need
to put together next.
595
00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:57,612
Once that's together, then this
whole case will be resolved.
596
00:40:03,183 --> 00:40:05,794
We're headed up to Idaho Falls.
597
00:40:05,925 --> 00:40:10,059
I'm gonna have the opportunity
to meet Angie's mom, Carol.
598
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:13,498
She has inundated herself with
this case for the last decade,
599
00:40:13,628 --> 00:40:15,935
at least, and is
very, very knowledgeable
600
00:40:16,065 --> 00:40:20,418
about every aspect
of the investigation itself.
601
00:40:20,548 --> 00:40:22,594
It's going to be real
interesting to meet with her.
602
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:32,604
Three weeks prior
to Angie's death,
603
00:40:32,734 --> 00:40:34,693
her and I'd had a disagreement,
604
00:40:34,823 --> 00:40:37,739
and that's when she moved
out into her apartment.
605
00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:40,916
But the night before,
she came to the house,
606
00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:45,747
and she said that she had
done something really stupid.
607
00:40:47,836 --> 00:40:52,580
And because her and I
had had our disagreement,
608
00:40:52,711 --> 00:40:54,930
I didn't want to pry.
609
00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:58,281
And that's the last time
I saw her.
610
00:40:58,412 --> 00:41:01,546
So, my ... my journey
for over 21 years
611
00:41:01,676 --> 00:41:06,507
has really been focused into
612
00:41:06,638 --> 00:41:09,249
why she was killed
and who killed her.
613
00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:12,426
Because when Chris Tapp
was arrested,
614
00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:15,124
I was still looking for
whoever left the DNA.
615
00:41:24,612 --> 00:41:28,181
Go straight.
616
00:41:28,311 --> 00:41:32,707
Now I want you
to take a right.
617
00:41:32,838 --> 00:41:34,709
Okay.
618
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,842
And then I want you
to take a left on J Street.
619
00:41:36,972 --> 00:41:38,974
Okay.
620
00:41:39,975 --> 00:41:44,110
Make another turn here.
621
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,287
You are in complete
disagreement with my GPS.
622
00:41:47,417 --> 00:41:48,680
I don't follow GPSs.
623
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:55,034
Okay,
turn up this little road.
624
00:41:55,164 --> 00:41:58,516
Chris in his
videotaped confessions
625
00:41:58,646 --> 00:42:01,388
talks about a guy
in this area.
626
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:06,175
And I actually sat right here,
'cause I parked right here,
627
00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:09,004
and I videotaped
that house right there.
628
00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:11,572
These two houses
were cooking meth,
629
00:42:11,703 --> 00:42:14,140
and I actually sat in my truck
and filmed 'em.
630
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:19,014
Thinking, this is
the most craziest thing
631
00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:21,103
in the whole world.
632
00:42:21,234 --> 00:42:23,236
And the next day, I'd go turn
all my information in.
633
00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:25,325
The cop says, "Carol,
you're gonna get killed."
634
00:42:25,455 --> 00:42:28,023
Right. And so they had to have
a cop follow me.
635
00:42:28,154 --> 00:42:30,243
I didn't know he was
following me.
636
00:42:30,373 --> 00:42:32,462
But they had
an undercover car following me,
637
00:42:32,593 --> 00:42:34,073
just to protect me.
Wow.
638
00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:36,031
Because man,
I-I had no fear.
639
00:42:36,162 --> 00:42:38,077
I'm telling you,
I had no fear.
640
00:42:38,207 --> 00:42:39,687
Right.
641
00:42:39,818 --> 00:42:42,429
Every night I lived
out on the streets,
642
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,649
and I every day
would report back
643
00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:48,043
all the findings of all the
drug houses that I came about.
644
00:42:48,174 --> 00:42:49,871
All this time,
they kept saying,
645
00:42:50,002 --> 00:42:51,220
"Carol, we don't know
who killed your daughter."
646
00:42:51,351 --> 00:42:52,744
How many years
were you out here?
647
00:42:52,874 --> 00:42:56,878
Three years,
until '99.
648
00:42:57,009 --> 00:42:58,576
But I've never
really stopped looking.
649
00:42:58,706 --> 00:43:00,882
I just stopped living
out on the streets.
650
00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:02,884
Right.
651
00:43:03,015 --> 00:43:04,320
I'm telling you, it's the most
craziest damn story
652
00:43:04,451 --> 00:43:05,931
you ever heard
in your life.
653
00:43:06,061 --> 00:43:07,193
Yeah, I mean, most people
wouldn't believe it
654
00:43:07,323 --> 00:43:08,977
if they made
a movie out of it.
655
00:43:09,108 --> 00:43:11,589
I think this is gonna end
where nobody's ever looked.
656
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,330
I think there's
a good chance of that.
657
00:43:17,856 --> 00:43:19,553
When I lived
out on the streets,
658
00:43:19,684 --> 00:43:22,600
I met the toughest
and the roughest.
659
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:24,602
I have people out there
in that world
660
00:43:24,732 --> 00:43:25,907
that would do anything
in the world for me
661
00:43:26,038 --> 00:43:29,041
with a snap of a finger.
662
00:43:29,171 --> 00:43:32,740
And I got a call one night
663
00:43:32,871 --> 00:43:35,613
from a prison inmate.
664
00:43:35,743 --> 00:43:38,616
Said ...
And he was in Texas.
665
00:43:38,746 --> 00:43:41,140
He said, "You'll never believe
who arrived here tonight.
666
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:43,664
Chris had arrived
in Texas.
667
00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:46,101
What do you want
done with him?"
668
00:43:46,232 --> 00:43:47,799
And I said, nothing.
669
00:43:47,929 --> 00:43:50,671
I said, "I just want
the guy's name.
670
00:43:50,802 --> 00:43:52,455
That's all I want."
671
00:43:52,586 --> 00:43:57,156
So, Chris wrote me
this letter.
672
00:43:57,286 --> 00:44:00,159
"Dear Mrs. Dodge.
673
00:44:00,289 --> 00:44:03,510
I do not know
who killed your daughter.
674
00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:06,687
Honest to God,
I do not know."
675
00:44:06,818 --> 00:44:11,126
He really doesn't know
who killed my daughter.
676
00:44:11,257 --> 00:44:16,175
IFPD had me so programmed
for 13 years
677
00:44:16,305 --> 00:44:20,788
that Chris was part
of my daughter's killing.
678
00:44:20,919 --> 00:44:24,096
Then I started watching
the interrogation tapes
679
00:44:24,226 --> 00:44:25,967
until I just wanted to put
my fists right through the TV.
680
00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:34,410
And from then,
I was on a campaign to say,
681
00:44:34,541 --> 00:44:36,674
they wronged him, they wronged
me, they wronged Vera.
682
00:44:36,804 --> 00:44:38,806
They've got
the wrong person.
683
00:44:38,937 --> 00:44:41,026
I want him out of prison.
684
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,296
Chris Tapp had been
through a number of attorneys.
685
00:44:50,426 --> 00:44:52,124
I came into
the public defender's office,
686
00:44:52,254 --> 00:44:54,039
and this was one of
the first post-convictions
687
00:44:54,169 --> 00:44:56,781
that I ended up acquiring.
688
00:44:56,911 --> 00:44:59,131
And I started with just
basically a manila folder
689
00:44:59,261 --> 00:45:01,655
that had a petition
for post-conviction in it,
690
00:45:01,786 --> 00:45:03,657
and nothing else.
691
00:45:03,788 --> 00:45:07,661
And now I have several
banker boxes full of files.
692
00:45:07,792 --> 00:45:09,315
I put in a lot more time,
693
00:45:09,445 --> 00:45:12,231
and I do a lot more work
after hours on this case.
694
00:45:12,361 --> 00:45:14,102
But it's absolutely
worth it.
695
00:45:14,233 --> 00:45:15,800
Right.
696
00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:19,368
These are the scene
photos that I have.
697
00:45:19,499 --> 00:45:22,502
It's nice to have a fresh set
of eyes to look at this.
698
00:45:24,504 --> 00:45:25,853
You seem to be
studying something.
699
00:45:25,984 --> 00:45:28,421
What is it
that you're studying?
700
00:45:28,551 --> 00:45:31,772
From what I see,
there's no blood much higher
701
00:45:31,903 --> 00:45:33,556
than about 30 inches
on that wall.
702
00:45:33,687 --> 00:45:35,515
I don't believe
that she was assaulted
703
00:45:35,645 --> 00:45:36,995
while she was standing.
704
00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:39,606
I think that if she were
ever on her feet,
705
00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:42,435
that that room
would be torn apart.
706
00:45:42,565 --> 00:45:47,527
That room is sterile outside
of that very narrow crime scene.Right.
707
00:45:47,657 --> 00:45:51,574
That was weird to me. There's a lamp
on a dresser just ... just ...
708
00:45:51,705 --> 00:45:53,402
Didn't even
get knocked over. I mean, within reach.
709
00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:56,057
Yeah. There's not a fight
that goes on in there.
710
00:45:56,188 --> 00:45:59,713
There's a very violent
and quick assault.
711
00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:01,715
A blitz-style assault.
712
00:46:01,846 --> 00:46:04,674
One of my theories on this
is I think she was asleep,
713
00:46:04,805 --> 00:46:06,807
and that the suspect
came in,
714
00:46:06,938 --> 00:46:10,332
and the very first blow was
to the left side of her head.
715
00:46:10,463 --> 00:46:12,813
And then I think from that,
it went straight to the ground,
716
00:46:12,944 --> 00:46:16,469
and she was quickly assaulted
with the knife.
717
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,515
So, I think that
that crime scene tells me
718
00:46:19,646 --> 00:46:22,170
that there's not more
than one person there.
719
00:46:22,301 --> 00:46:23,824
Right.
720
00:46:23,955 --> 00:46:25,826
How did he get in
is the question.
721
00:46:31,919 --> 00:46:33,573
So, as you're
looking at it now,
722
00:46:33,703 --> 00:46:37,011
you can see how easy it would be
to climb up those stairs,
723
00:46:37,142 --> 00:46:39,884
get on top of this railing
here on the ledge,
724
00:46:40,014 --> 00:46:41,015
and then just get right on top
of the, roof to roof.
725
00:46:41,146 --> 00:46:43,104
Yeah.
726
00:46:43,235 --> 00:46:45,715
And get into that apartment
up there.
727
00:46:45,846 --> 00:46:47,413
Yeah,
now that's easy access.
728
00:46:47,543 --> 00:46:49,589
Much easier access
than I would have imagined.
729
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,721
Yeah.
730
00:46:51,852 --> 00:46:54,724
The fact that we know
that that back door was open,
731
00:46:54,855 --> 00:46:57,510
it's almost inevitable
that was the point of entry.
732
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,121
Yeah,
I agree with you there.
733
00:47:01,819 --> 00:47:04,734
The killer's DNA is
on the hands, pubic hair,
734
00:47:04,865 --> 00:47:06,824
the shirt,
and the sweat pants.
735
00:47:06,954 --> 00:47:09,087
And Chris Tapp is
specifically excluded
736
00:47:09,217 --> 00:47:11,741
from each one
of those pieces of evidence.
737
00:47:11,872 --> 00:47:16,659
You can't have an encounter like
this and not leave evidence.
738
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:19,401
There's no physical evidence
that puts him there, period.
739
00:47:19,532 --> 00:47:21,447
Yeah. I mean, it
just doesn't add up.
740
00:47:21,577 --> 00:47:23,318
It's mind-boggling.
741
00:47:23,449 --> 00:47:25,364
So you're convinced
it's a drug deal ...
742
00:47:25,494 --> 00:47:28,019
or a ... not a drug deal, but ...
-No, I think it was a drug hit.
743
00:47:28,149 --> 00:47:29,542
The police may have
approached her
744
00:47:29,672 --> 00:47:32,066
about doing some
confidential informant work.
745
00:47:32,197 --> 00:47:33,676
And I think
that they were, like,
746
00:47:33,807 --> 00:47:35,243
"We're gonna send a message
747
00:47:35,374 --> 00:47:37,245
to other
confidential informants."
748
00:47:39,334 --> 00:47:42,076
Would it be worth looking at
these houses across the alley?
749
00:47:42,207 --> 00:47:44,209
Absolutely.
750
00:47:44,339 --> 00:47:47,603
There were lots of drugs
coming in and out of the area.
751
00:47:47,734 --> 00:47:50,041
And so from Angie's
vantage point,
752
00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:53,218
she could see what was going on
in these people's backyards.
753
00:47:53,348 --> 00:47:56,003
-Right.
-Possibly to her demise.
754
00:47:58,353 --> 00:48:00,703
I'm not gonna say
that that's not plausible,
755
00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:02,792
but I have
a couple of doubts.
756
00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:05,447
If they thought
that she was an informant
757
00:48:05,578 --> 00:48:07,754
-and they were going to do her,
-Mm-hmm.
758
00:48:07,885 --> 00:48:09,669
...you're 10 minutes
from the woods.
759
00:48:09,799 --> 00:48:12,846
There's a lot easier ways than
to creep into someone's home
760
00:48:12,977 --> 00:48:14,717
while they're sleeping
to kill them.
761
00:48:14,848 --> 00:48:17,329
But there's too many drugs
going on in that neighborhood.
762
00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:20,854
But there's a bit of a deranged
mental makeup to this.
763
00:48:20,985 --> 00:48:23,639
The perpetrator leaving
his semen all over her.
764
00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:25,772
I never heard of it
in a drug hit ever.
765
00:48:25,903 --> 00:48:27,426
I've never, ever heard
of a sexual component
766
00:48:27,556 --> 00:48:28,688
becoming part
of a drug hit.
767
00:48:28,818 --> 00:48:33,040
-Okay.
-Period.
768
00:48:33,171 --> 00:48:36,174
The case, as it stands,
has mostly been looked at
769
00:48:36,304 --> 00:48:41,135
from the aspect of having
a drug connection to it.
770
00:48:41,266 --> 00:48:43,877
But it's a sexual
assault murder,
771
00:48:44,008 --> 00:48:48,795
and the two just
don't overlap in my experience.
772
00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:52,320
It's going to be
something very different, so ...
773
00:48:52,451 --> 00:48:55,671
I'm going to be having
a Skype call
774
00:48:55,802 --> 00:49:00,067
with retired FBI profiler,
Gregg McCrary.
775
00:49:00,198 --> 00:49:02,765
His expertise is in profiling,
and, um ...
776
00:49:02,896 --> 00:49:05,072
and that's one of the things
777
00:49:05,203 --> 00:49:08,336
the FBI has done
a phenomenal job with,
778
00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:10,817
bringing that
investigative approach
779
00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:14,212
into a, uh, absolute science.
780
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:19,695
I'd be very surprised
if this has any nexus
781
00:49:19,826 --> 00:49:21,959
to drug dealing
of any sort.
782
00:49:22,089 --> 00:49:25,353
To murder somebody is one thing,
but to be sexually aroused
783
00:49:25,484 --> 00:49:28,139
and ... and apparently ...
a-apparently, he masturbated,
784
00:49:28,269 --> 00:49:30,706
ejaculated over the body,
around the body.
785
00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:34,101
That pairing is what's really,
I think, driving the crime,
786
00:49:34,232 --> 00:49:36,234
and really what makes it
a sexual homicide
787
00:49:36,364 --> 00:49:39,237
and not necessarily some
drug murder or anything else.
788
00:49:39,367 --> 00:49:42,892
What would that tell you
in general about an offender?
789
00:49:43,023 --> 00:49:44,677
Well, it tells you
about the underlying
790
00:49:44,807 --> 00:49:47,027
sexual pathology
of this guy.
791
00:49:47,158 --> 00:49:50,248
That somehow, sex and violence
have gotten paired.
792
00:49:50,378 --> 00:49:53,294
And you're likely to see that
in other areas of his life.
793
00:49:53,425 --> 00:49:56,819
Peeping, prowling,
weird relationships with women,
794
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:59,997
uncomfortable around women,
you know, maybe violence prone.
795
00:50:00,127 --> 00:50:02,477
Maybe violent
toward women to a degree.
796
00:50:02,608 --> 00:50:05,915
You're looking for somebody
with lesser crimes,
797
00:50:06,046 --> 00:50:07,961
but kind of
in this arena.
798
00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:09,745
But then again, you start
looking for weird guys...
799
00:50:11,530 --> 00:50:13,184
They're not hard
to find sometimes.
800
00:50:13,314 --> 00:50:14,924
-They're everywhere.
-Yeah, yeah.
801
00:50:15,055 --> 00:50:17,971
So, would it be more likely
that the victim
802
00:50:18,102 --> 00:50:20,104
was known by the offender?
803
00:50:20,234 --> 00:50:23,846
Or do you think it was more
likely a complete stranger?
804
00:50:23,977 --> 00:50:25,935
I would rule out
a complete stranger.
805
00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:27,546
The idea that someone
just showed up
806
00:50:27,676 --> 00:50:28,938
and knocked
at the door randomly
807
00:50:29,069 --> 00:50:31,158
and found
an 18-year-old girl.
808
00:50:31,289 --> 00:50:32,855
That's ... That's not
a high probability at all.
809
00:50:32,986 --> 00:50:35,380
But there's
this second tier of folks
810
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:39,036
who would have been acquainted
with her for some lesser reason.
811
00:50:39,166 --> 00:50:42,648
And it could be just from
some happenstance contact.
812
00:50:42,778 --> 00:50:45,694
You know, somebody
tagged along to help her move in
813
00:50:45,825 --> 00:50:48,306
or some delivery guy
or repair guy or ...
814
00:50:48,436 --> 00:50:49,872
I think that's it.
815
00:50:50,003 --> 00:50:51,396
I mean, we ... we got to
develop suspects.
816
00:50:51,526 --> 00:50:53,137
'Cause whatever they've done
now, hasn't worked.
817
00:50:53,267 --> 00:50:55,400
So we got to think new
about this thing.
818
00:50:59,273 --> 00:51:02,233
You guys have a good
idea of everyone that lived
819
00:51:02,363 --> 00:51:04,626
in that neighborhood
where Angie was killed.
820
00:51:04,757 --> 00:51:06,193
You've lived there
for a long time.
821
00:51:06,324 --> 00:51:08,065
-Yeah.
-55 years.
822
00:51:08,195 --> 00:51:09,457
And do you guys
remember that day
823
00:51:09,588 --> 00:51:10,763
pretty clearly,
and were you home?
824
00:51:10,893 --> 00:51:13,461
Oh, yeah.
Yes.
825
00:51:13,592 --> 00:51:15,637
Last night, it was
so quiet, it was unreal.
826
00:51:15,768 --> 00:51:19,337
Usually dogs are barking,
and ... and, um, the neighborhood
827
00:51:19,467 --> 00:51:22,688
was just as quiet
as it could be.
828
00:51:22,818 --> 00:51:26,779
First thing we knew, we saw
an ambulance driving up,
829
00:51:26,909 --> 00:51:30,957
and then police cars
just converged everywhere.
830
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:34,743
And the first officer
on the scene, he said,
831
00:51:34,874 --> 00:51:37,006
"Back out of the way, you.
Get out of here.
832
00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:39,183
You get your ambulances
out of here.
833
00:51:39,313 --> 00:51:42,838
This is one time
we're not gonna screw up."
834
00:51:42,969 --> 00:51:44,536
You've got
a great memory, huh?
835
00:51:44,666 --> 00:51:47,016
Believe me, if I do anything
wrong, she remembers it.
836
00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:49,193
Oh, yeah.
837
00:51:49,323 --> 00:51:51,195
We haven't, you know, got
an awful lot of information
838
00:51:51,325 --> 00:51:53,284
on ... on what really is
going on,
839
00:51:53,414 --> 00:51:56,548
but it is very frightening.
840
00:51:58,811 --> 00:52:01,814
So, this is Angie's apartment
right here.
841
00:52:01,944 --> 00:52:03,120
Correct.
842
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:04,817
-This is our home.
-Okay.
843
00:52:04,947 --> 00:52:06,688
Let's go up and down
this block...
844
00:52:06,819 --> 00:52:09,648
-Okay.
-...both sides of the street,
845
00:52:09,778 --> 00:52:13,042
and let's ... let's put names
to all of these homes.
846
00:52:13,173 --> 00:52:15,523
This is
the Davenports.
847
00:52:15,654 --> 00:52:18,047
This is Hefachers.
These ... This is the Hendricks.
848
00:52:18,178 --> 00:52:20,267
-Hendricks.
-Mm-hmm.
849
00:52:20,398 --> 00:52:21,877
This home on the corner
at the time of Angie's death
850
00:52:22,008 --> 00:52:23,183
was vacant.
851
00:52:23,314 --> 00:52:25,011
Wasn't that Dixie Dix?
852
00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:26,839
-Mm-hmm.
-Dixie Dix.
853
00:52:26,969 --> 00:52:28,449
I remember the story
about her
854
00:52:28,580 --> 00:52:30,408
being in the basement
doing laundry,
855
00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:32,279
and she heard a noise,
and she pulled the curtain back,
856
00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:34,934
and there was a man
standing there masturbating.
857
00:52:35,064 --> 00:52:37,545
But at the time,
the cops were so uninterested
858
00:52:37,676 --> 00:52:39,504
in what we had to say.
859
00:52:39,634 --> 00:52:40,853
They were just, like, "Okay,
we already got it figured out.
860
00:52:40,983 --> 00:52:42,811
You know,
we're appeasing you.
861
00:52:42,942 --> 00:52:45,118
Go ahead, tell us what you need
to so we can get on to our job."
862
00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:46,554
That's ... That's kind of
how we felt
863
00:52:46,685 --> 00:52:48,687
we were treated
by them at the time.
864
00:52:48,817 --> 00:52:50,776
But we just hope you can find
him, please,
865
00:52:50,906 --> 00:52:52,256
for the ...
for the Dodge family.
866
00:52:52,386 --> 00:52:53,474
-Yeah.
-Mm-hmm.
867
00:52:53,605 --> 00:52:55,346
Well, we're trying.
868
00:52:57,826 --> 00:53:01,352
The one thing that I'm real
big on is a neighborhood canvass.
869
00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:04,224
The police should have knocked
on every door on that block
870
00:53:04,355 --> 00:53:07,314
and the block adjacent.That's right.
871
00:53:07,445 --> 00:53:09,360
Until they've spoken with
every single resident
872
00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:12,058
or visitor
in that time period.
873
00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:13,929
You know, as I travel
throughout the country here,
874
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:16,497
looking at all cold cases
for the various departments,
875
00:53:16,628 --> 00:53:18,369
it's reflective
all the time,
876
00:53:18,499 --> 00:53:20,371
there's just not that real good
neighborhood canvass.
877
00:53:20,501 --> 00:53:22,242
And any homicide
detective knows,
878
00:53:22,373 --> 00:53:24,984
you solve cases
by neighborhood canvass.
879
00:53:25,114 --> 00:53:26,725
Danny, we'll be out there
in a couple of weeks
880
00:53:26,855 --> 00:53:28,553
helping you out,
hitting the ground running.
881
00:53:31,817 --> 00:53:34,036
-How's it going, man?
-Good to see you.
882
00:53:34,167 --> 00:53:35,212
-Good to see you, man.
-Good to see you.
883
00:53:35,342 --> 00:53:38,345
How was your trip?
-It was good.
884
00:53:38,476 --> 00:53:40,913
We've created a little bit
of a list here.
885
00:53:41,043 --> 00:53:43,437
We're gonna put you guys
to work.
886
00:53:43,568 --> 00:53:45,178
This ain't no vacation, man.
887
00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:48,573
Sure, that's what
we're here for.
888
00:53:48,703 --> 00:53:50,662
These are people
that lived right
889
00:53:50,792 --> 00:53:53,665
in that neighborhood in 1996.
890
00:53:53,795 --> 00:53:56,058
All right, let's see if
we can do some police work.
891
00:53:56,189 --> 00:53:57,408
We're gonna get
the right guy on this one.
892
00:53:57,538 --> 00:53:59,279
We have to.
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