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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,978 --> 00:00:24,154 It was a horrific crime. 2 00:00:24,285 --> 00:00:26,156 People were shocked. 3 00:00:26,287 --> 00:00:27,984 They were afraid. 4 00:00:28,115 --> 00:00:32,119 Idaho Falls hadn't experienced anything like this. 5 00:00:32,249 --> 00:00:34,382 But the police have arrested somebody. 6 00:00:34,512 --> 00:00:36,558 He's even confessed. 7 00:00:36,688 --> 00:00:40,040 So I can remember thinking, "Okay, good, they got the guy." 8 00:00:40,170 --> 00:00:43,043 I don't remember a lot of thought in the community that, 9 00:00:43,173 --> 00:00:44,609 "Okay, this is the wrong guy." 10 00:00:44,740 --> 00:00:48,352 Or any thought, quite honestly. 11 00:00:48,483 --> 00:00:50,528 But we found these videos, 12 00:00:50,659 --> 00:00:53,053 and if you watch all of them together, 13 00:00:53,183 --> 00:00:56,795 you can see how there were some weird things going on. 14 00:01:15,379 --> 00:01:16,859 I had nothing to do with this. 15 00:01:22,343 --> 00:01:24,432 But people were confused. 16 00:01:24,562 --> 00:01:27,304 Why would someone admit to something that they didn't do? 17 00:01:41,449 --> 00:01:43,320 I think Idaho Falls in 1996 18 00:01:43,451 --> 00:01:45,670 was a lot like what you see now. 19 00:01:48,456 --> 00:01:50,806 Idaho Falls is a town of 60,000 or so, 20 00:01:50,936 --> 00:01:53,852 and everybody knows everybody. 21 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,988 The Mormon Church is not just the dominant religion, 22 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:00,903 but it's the dominant culture. 23 00:02:01,033 --> 00:02:05,560 It's ... It's very conservative, it's very insulated. 24 00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:06,996 The old saying is Mormons make good communities, 25 00:02:07,127 --> 00:02:08,824 and you see that. 26 00:02:08,954 --> 00:02:10,739 It's generally a safe place. 27 00:02:10,869 --> 00:02:13,916 It's generally a good place to raise kids. 28 00:02:14,046 --> 00:02:17,441 But then the world fell apart when Angie Dodge was murdered, 29 00:02:17,572 --> 00:02:20,575 and it's just been a nightmare ever since. 30 00:02:20,705 --> 00:02:23,404 Angie Dodge's life was cut short last night. 31 00:02:23,534 --> 00:02:26,711 It was a horrible shock to her friends and family. 32 00:02:26,842 --> 00:02:30,150 What happened here is too brutal to even consider. 33 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:35,024 Police won't even say how many times the victim was stabbed. 34 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:39,637 This town probably averages one or two murders a year. 35 00:02:39,768 --> 00:02:41,987 And the murders here tend to be domestics or bar fights, 36 00:02:42,118 --> 00:02:43,989 or, you know, things that are understandable. 37 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,949 This wasn't understandable. 38 00:02:53,347 --> 00:02:58,265 Okay, June 13, 1996. Idaho Falls. 39 00:02:58,395 --> 00:03:01,790 Angie Dodge, 18 years old, is murdered, 40 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,009 and subsequently sexually assaulted 41 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:05,924 in her own apartment. 42 00:03:06,055 --> 00:03:10,015 There was no sign of an actual break-in. 43 00:03:10,146 --> 00:03:12,192 There was tremendous brutality. 44 00:03:12,322 --> 00:03:14,106 She's ... She's almost decapitated. 45 00:03:14,237 --> 00:03:17,109 And there was substantial crime-scene evidence 46 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,286 with ejaculate on the body. 47 00:03:19,416 --> 00:03:21,984 Yeah, the perpetrator clearly left his DNA, 48 00:03:22,114 --> 00:03:23,899 but they still were unable to identify 49 00:03:24,029 --> 00:03:27,859 a viable suspect at that time. 50 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:30,993 For neighbors who live near 444 I Street, 51 00:03:31,123 --> 00:03:33,125 the most difficult element of this crime 52 00:03:33,256 --> 00:03:34,736 is the unanswered question. 53 00:03:34,866 --> 00:03:36,999 Was Angie Dodge's brutal death 54 00:03:37,129 --> 00:03:40,829 targeted, or was it simply a random act? 55 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:42,091 People were shocked. 56 00:03:42,222 --> 00:03:43,832 They were afraid because obviously, 57 00:03:43,962 --> 00:03:45,834 someone had done this and was out there. 58 00:03:45,964 --> 00:03:47,096 It was something that got written about a lot 59 00:03:47,227 --> 00:03:48,837 in the newspaper. 60 00:03:48,967 --> 00:03:50,230 And you saw it from the police perspective. 61 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,014 Those guys really tried hard. 62 00:03:52,144 --> 00:03:54,712 We're interviewing all family members, 63 00:03:54,843 --> 00:03:56,975 associates, friends of hers, 64 00:03:57,106 --> 00:04:01,589 and just trying to determine what went on. 65 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:04,635 There was a huge effort expended on their part. 66 00:04:04,766 --> 00:04:08,378 I mean, they pulled hundreds of people in, ran a lot of DNA. 67 00:04:08,509 --> 00:04:10,337 They took this as personally as everybody else did. 68 00:04:12,339 --> 00:04:15,385 We all live here. Nobody wants to see this. 69 00:04:15,516 --> 00:04:19,302 As one friend said, it's like she's frozen in time. 70 00:04:19,433 --> 00:04:24,089 She can't come back, and she can't move forward 71 00:04:24,220 --> 00:04:28,093 until there is some closure to her murder. 72 00:04:28,224 --> 00:04:32,924 Angie had a really bright, loud personality. 73 00:04:33,055 --> 00:04:34,578 You couldn't miss her. 74 00:04:34,709 --> 00:04:36,667 She was fun. She was funny. 75 00:04:36,798 --> 00:04:38,190 She told you how it is. 76 00:04:38,321 --> 00:04:41,106 If she didn't like you, she'd tell you. 77 00:04:41,237 --> 00:04:43,195 And that was the cool thing about her. 78 00:04:43,326 --> 00:04:46,329 She's beautiful. She hated wearing shoes. 79 00:04:46,460 --> 00:04:47,678 She was just great to be around, you know? 80 00:04:47,809 --> 00:04:50,072 She was fun, 81 00:04:50,202 --> 00:04:53,162 and she was like a protector, and she was a great friend. 82 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:55,556 She seemed to be outgoing, gregarious. 83 00:04:55,686 --> 00:04:58,385 She was like a really nice young woman 84 00:04:58,515 --> 00:05:00,561 with friends and a job and an apartment. 85 00:05:00,691 --> 00:05:03,128 She had just really graduated from high school. 86 00:05:03,259 --> 00:05:06,741 You have, you know, a-a very young victim, 87 00:05:06,871 --> 00:05:11,702 and I would be very surprised that that offender's over 23. 88 00:05:11,833 --> 00:05:15,227 This was my only daughter, and I hope you come forward 89 00:05:15,358 --> 00:05:18,796 and make it easy on everyone. 90 00:05:18,927 --> 00:05:20,624 From the police perspective, 91 00:05:20,755 --> 00:05:22,539 they hadn't experienced this to go in 92 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:24,236 and try to process this crime scene 93 00:05:24,367 --> 00:05:26,108 and try to understand how this happened. 94 00:05:26,238 --> 00:05:29,416 It was really difficult for them. 95 00:05:30,852 --> 00:05:32,897 Although this was a huge thing in Idaho Falls, 96 00:05:33,028 --> 00:05:35,857 the case went cold for about six months. 97 00:05:35,987 --> 00:05:39,339 And that's when they get a tip out of Ely, Nevada, 98 00:05:39,469 --> 00:05:42,298 that Ben Hobbs, who was from Idaho Falls, 99 00:05:42,429 --> 00:05:43,821 was actually involved 100 00:05:43,952 --> 00:05:45,997 in another rape allegation down there. 101 00:05:46,128 --> 00:05:50,393 And so, he becomes a suspect in the Angie Dodge murder. 102 00:05:50,524 --> 00:05:53,265 It's been very emotional the whole time to get through this. 103 00:05:53,396 --> 00:05:55,442 And, like I said, through the investigations, 104 00:05:55,572 --> 00:05:57,705 through information that is ... that ... that we've developed, 105 00:05:57,835 --> 00:05:59,924 that has come in from some people out there, 106 00:06:00,055 --> 00:06:01,665 we got the leads. 107 00:06:01,796 --> 00:06:04,451 Now, that was a good lead, right? 108 00:06:04,581 --> 00:06:09,194 Somebody from Idaho Falls gets arrested for a knifepoint rape. 109 00:06:09,325 --> 00:06:10,935 So they go to Ely, Nevada, 110 00:06:11,066 --> 00:06:13,851 and they start to question Hobbs. 111 00:06:13,982 --> 00:06:16,071 And he was friends with Angie Dodge. 112 00:06:28,518 --> 00:06:30,781 They send Hobbs' DNA out for testing, 113 00:06:30,912 --> 00:06:32,217 but before any results come back, 114 00:06:32,348 --> 00:06:35,220 they pull in Hobbs' circle of friends, 115 00:06:35,351 --> 00:06:37,484 including Chris Tapp. 116 00:06:40,965 --> 00:06:43,011 Jared Fuhriman called my house, and he's like, 117 00:06:43,141 --> 00:06:45,056 "Hey, we have a couple questions for you. 118 00:06:45,187 --> 00:06:46,536 We'll come pick you up." 119 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:48,756 I said all right. 120 00:06:48,886 --> 00:06:52,368 And that's when all of it started. 121 00:06:56,503 --> 00:06:58,200 Jared Fuhriman had a relationship with me 122 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:00,289 before this. 123 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:03,814 He was the school resource officer in my junior high. 124 00:07:03,945 --> 00:07:06,121 He was someone I thought I could trust. 125 00:07:11,474 --> 00:07:12,997 I had a little bit of a, you know, 126 00:07:13,128 --> 00:07:14,695 drug and alcohol problem growing up, 127 00:07:14,825 --> 00:07:16,653 so I imagined that they wanted to talk to me 128 00:07:16,784 --> 00:07:18,612 about something drug-related. 129 00:07:18,742 --> 00:07:21,876 I had no idea it was ever about the Angie Dodge murder. 130 00:07:40,895 --> 00:07:44,246 I met Angie through Ben in 1995. 131 00:07:44,376 --> 00:07:48,293 And we all hung out at the river. 132 00:07:48,424 --> 00:07:53,429 Ben Hobbs, Jeremy Sargis, Tom Brown. 133 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,650 And we were just a pretty laid-back group of friends. 134 00:07:56,780 --> 00:07:58,260 Basically, our days consisted 135 00:07:58,390 --> 00:08:01,219 of just hanging out down at the river. 136 00:08:01,350 --> 00:08:06,181 We weren't fighters or thieves or troublemakers or anything. 137 00:08:06,311 --> 00:08:10,838 But the police start talking to all of us. 138 00:08:10,968 --> 00:08:12,709 Seemed like they were kind of honing in on 139 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,234 the river people right out of the gate. 140 00:08:16,365 --> 00:08:18,019 Jared Fuhriman asked me if I could go down 141 00:08:18,149 --> 00:08:20,456 to the police station and stuff. 142 00:08:20,587 --> 00:08:22,676 And I went, "What for?" 143 00:08:22,806 --> 00:08:24,678 He just says, "I got a few questions to ask you." 144 00:08:35,427 --> 00:08:37,560 I don't really remember the first interrogation. 145 00:08:37,691 --> 00:08:40,041 There was so many. 146 00:08:40,171 --> 00:08:43,044 Okay. 147 00:08:43,174 --> 00:08:45,263 They interrogated a lot of us. 148 00:08:45,394 --> 00:08:47,570 Just grabbing us out of the blue. 149 00:08:56,231 --> 00:08:58,886 We thought, well, let's just cooperate and try 150 00:08:59,016 --> 00:09:00,540 and help solve this crime. 151 00:09:10,767 --> 00:09:12,029 We thought, let's brainstorm with them. 152 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,727 Maybe we can help. 153 00:09:13,857 --> 00:09:16,425 And they took that as we might know something. 154 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:19,950 So then they start talking to me a little bit about Ben Hobbs. 155 00:09:20,081 --> 00:09:24,433 Ben's giving you up, saying this, saying that, 156 00:09:24,564 --> 00:09:26,261 and I was floored. 157 00:09:34,225 --> 00:09:38,621 Fuhriman started getting really rude and saying, 158 00:09:38,752 --> 00:09:40,971 "Well, you need to confess," and stuff. 159 00:09:41,102 --> 00:09:42,407 He wouldn't back down. 160 00:09:52,504 --> 00:09:55,377 I said, "I don't know nothing. I don't have any ideas. 161 00:09:55,507 --> 00:09:57,509 I can't help you. I had nothing to do with it." 162 00:10:05,953 --> 00:10:07,737 Here's the problem in my opinion. 163 00:10:07,868 --> 00:10:12,307 The focus is on people who were down at the river. 164 00:10:12,437 --> 00:10:14,962 And so that's where the investigation funnels to. 165 00:10:15,092 --> 00:10:16,746 It just seemed like a weird narrative to me 166 00:10:16,877 --> 00:10:18,618 from the beginning. 167 00:10:18,748 --> 00:10:20,271 I think the officers tried to make the facts 168 00:10:20,402 --> 00:10:22,796 fit their theory instead of the opposite, you know? 169 00:10:22,926 --> 00:10:25,015 You are so right on there. 170 00:10:39,116 --> 00:10:43,033 Fuhriman told me, you know, that they had Ben dead to rights. 171 00:10:43,164 --> 00:10:44,644 And they're, ya know ... They're gonna ... 172 00:10:44,774 --> 00:10:46,036 They're gonna take him down. 173 00:11:04,881 --> 00:11:07,579 And so I got a little upset with him, and I tried something else. 174 00:11:07,710 --> 00:11:09,320 I confronted him. 175 00:11:31,386 --> 00:11:33,040 He stormed out of the interrogation room, 176 00:11:33,170 --> 00:11:35,825 and that upset him pretty good. 177 00:11:35,956 --> 00:11:40,177 My father come down, and he kind of raised hell 178 00:11:40,308 --> 00:11:42,353 with the police department, saying, 179 00:11:42,484 --> 00:11:43,746 "My son had nothing to do with it. 180 00:11:43,877 --> 00:11:45,792 You can't hold him. 181 00:11:45,922 --> 00:11:49,839 If you got anything to hold him, you better do it or let him go." 182 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:51,928 After that, I left. 183 00:11:52,059 --> 00:11:55,802 After I got arrested, my dad hired a big lawyer, 184 00:11:55,932 --> 00:11:58,152 and when I went to court, 185 00:11:58,282 --> 00:12:01,068 he wouldn't even let me tell them my name. 186 00:12:01,198 --> 00:12:03,592 All I could say was, on the advice of my attorney, 187 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:06,813 I invoke my Fifth Amendment Right, 188 00:12:06,943 --> 00:12:09,250 and that's truly what saved me. 189 00:12:11,469 --> 00:12:13,297 If Chris would have done that, 190 00:12:13,428 --> 00:12:16,431 they wouldn't have had anything. 191 00:12:16,561 --> 00:12:18,215 I was so scared and so confused 192 00:12:18,346 --> 00:12:21,741 and so bewildered. 193 00:12:29,574 --> 00:12:33,535 Chris, you could push him around a little bit, 194 00:12:33,665 --> 00:12:35,537 you know, and the police saw that, 195 00:12:35,667 --> 00:12:37,234 and they pushed him around pretty hard. 196 00:12:39,628 --> 00:12:42,283 Where was his lawyer? 197 00:12:42,413 --> 00:12:45,416 It looks like he fell into the trap a lot of people do. 198 00:12:45,547 --> 00:12:47,679 If they feel like they're innocent, he said, 199 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:49,594 "Well, what harm can my statements be? 200 00:12:49,725 --> 00:12:51,727 If I didn't do anything, 201 00:12:51,858 --> 00:12:54,686 I'm comfortable talking to the police without representation." 202 00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:56,166 But as long as he keeps coming down 203 00:12:56,297 --> 00:12:57,907 and wanting to talk to the interrogators, 204 00:12:58,038 --> 00:12:59,430 what's wrong with that? 205 00:12:59,561 --> 00:13:02,216 It's legal. This is all perfectly legal. 206 00:13:02,346 --> 00:13:03,957 Absolutely. 207 00:13:04,087 --> 00:13:07,134 But is it fair to say that rarely, if ever, 208 00:13:07,264 --> 00:13:10,702 does a suspect do himself or herself any good 209 00:13:10,833 --> 00:13:13,009 by showing up to talk to you folks without a lawyer? 210 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:14,532 Even if they're completely innocent. 211 00:13:14,663 --> 00:13:15,925 As an interrogator, I won't agree with that. 212 00:13:16,056 --> 00:13:17,448 And the reason why I won't agree with that 213 00:13:17,579 --> 00:13:19,581 because it's better for the victim for me 214 00:13:19,711 --> 00:13:21,539 to be able to extract the truth from you.No, no, I know that. 215 00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:23,585 But your son gets arrested, do you say, 216 00:13:23,715 --> 00:13:25,761 "Son, you just go ahead 217 00:13:25,892 --> 00:13:28,372 and tell those officers everything you know." 218 00:13:28,503 --> 00:13:30,157 I teach all my kids, "Look here, 219 00:13:30,287 --> 00:13:31,723 anybody ever pick you up, shut your mouth." 220 00:13:31,854 --> 00:13:34,161 -Right. -Wait until you get an attorney. 221 00:13:36,163 --> 00:13:37,817 My husband kept taking him down there. 222 00:13:42,212 --> 00:13:45,259 I says, "That's ridiculous." I says, "You don't do that." 223 00:13:45,389 --> 00:13:46,913 And he says, "Well, I know 224 00:13:47,043 --> 00:13:48,436 that he doesn't have nothing to hide." 225 00:13:48,566 --> 00:13:50,830 And it just kept escalating. 226 00:13:56,357 --> 00:13:58,533 And I understand that. 227 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:15,593 They took me in for questioning so many times. 228 00:14:18,161 --> 00:14:19,771 It kept going on and on. 229 00:14:19,902 --> 00:14:21,338 And he came home one day, and he says, 230 00:14:21,469 --> 00:14:23,732 "Mom, things ain't going right." 231 00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:26,561 I says, "You're not going down there anymore." 232 00:14:26,691 --> 00:14:28,041 And he says, "I promised 'em." 233 00:14:28,171 --> 00:14:30,086 I said, "I don't care what you promised them." 234 00:14:30,217 --> 00:14:32,567 I says, "You're not going down there anymore." 235 00:14:35,004 --> 00:14:38,355 Saturday, Fuhriman came, and he says, "Where's Christopher?" 236 00:14:38,486 --> 00:14:40,096 And I just flat out told him, I said, 237 00:14:40,227 --> 00:14:41,663 "Christopher's not going down there." 238 00:14:41,793 --> 00:14:43,534 He just says, "Well, you know your son is up 239 00:14:43,665 --> 00:14:44,753 to his eyeballs in this." 240 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:46,233 I says, "No, he isn't." 241 00:14:46,363 --> 00:14:47,451 And he says, "Well, what do you know? 242 00:14:47,582 --> 00:14:49,801 You're just the mother." 243 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:52,543 I said, "We'll be there Monday morning with a lawyer." 244 00:14:52,674 --> 00:14:55,982 So that's when they got the warrant out for his arrest. 245 00:14:56,112 --> 00:14:58,114 I chose the attorney through the phone book. 246 00:14:58,245 --> 00:15:00,203 You know, it was a Saturday, so it's really ... 247 00:15:00,334 --> 00:15:02,510 I just started calling lawyers in the phone book, 248 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,513 and someone answered the phone. 249 00:15:05,643 --> 00:15:07,123 But during an interrogation, 250 00:15:07,254 --> 00:15:09,386 my attorneys would either be down the hall 251 00:15:09,517 --> 00:15:11,258 or in another room 252 00:15:11,388 --> 00:15:14,826 watching everything going on in a closed circuit TV. 253 00:15:14,957 --> 00:15:17,917 Sometimes they weren't even there in the police department. 254 00:15:18,047 --> 00:15:22,965 So I had nobody to help me. 255 00:15:23,096 --> 00:15:26,795 Chris' own attorneys were a disaster. 256 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:30,320 Basically, once he had his attorneys, 257 00:15:30,451 --> 00:15:32,888 they let the cops do whatever they wanted to do. 258 00:15:33,019 --> 00:15:34,368 -Right, he was ... -And they weren't even there. 259 00:15:34,498 --> 00:15:36,457 They weren't in the interrogation room. 260 00:15:36,587 --> 00:15:38,850 They were, like, "Call us if you need us." 261 00:15:38,981 --> 00:15:43,029 You know, they weren't there for him the way they should have. 262 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,162 Chris would have been perfectly willing 263 00:15:46,293 --> 00:15:48,338 to follow his lawyer's advice to shut up. 264 00:15:48,469 --> 00:15:50,210 If they gave him advice. Right. 265 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:52,386 If they had given him that advice. 266 00:15:52,516 --> 00:15:56,781 But he really should have had better, smarter counsel, 267 00:15:56,912 --> 00:15:58,392 and they really should have known better. 268 00:15:58,522 --> 00:16:01,308 This isn't like lawyering 7.0. 269 00:16:01,438 --> 00:16:02,918 No. 270 00:16:03,049 --> 00:16:04,920 I mean, we learn this in our first years, right? 271 00:16:05,051 --> 00:16:06,095 Mm-hmm, absolutely. 272 00:16:06,226 --> 00:16:08,532 Shut up, don't talk. 273 00:16:14,538 --> 00:16:15,844 I volunteered to take the first polygraph. 274 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,759 I had nothing to fear or hide, 275 00:16:17,889 --> 00:16:19,413 so I was, like, "Yeah, I'd take a polygraph." 276 00:16:19,543 --> 00:16:22,982 I had no fear whatsoever to take a polygraph. 277 00:17:05,502 --> 00:17:07,678 -Now, what did you notice? -Wow. 278 00:17:07,809 --> 00:17:08,853 You know, he said, "I really didn't do anything. 279 00:17:08,984 --> 00:17:10,638 I'm scared," you know? 280 00:17:10,768 --> 00:17:12,161 That right there should have been an indicator of, 281 00:17:12,292 --> 00:17:14,294 "Wait a minute, let's ... let's back off this guy." 282 00:17:14,424 --> 00:17:17,079 You know, his leg is crossed, he's slumped down in his seat. 283 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:18,863 You know, he's trying to be open to them. 284 00:17:18,994 --> 00:17:22,345 But this guy's totally afraid of these guys, so ... 285 00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:24,521 "Gas chamber" probably does that. 286 00:17:24,652 --> 00:17:26,523 Absolutely, you know? 287 00:17:26,654 --> 00:17:29,265 I mean, you know, even in my years in the federal government, 288 00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:31,659 you know, we routinely had to take a polygraph, 289 00:17:31,789 --> 00:17:33,661 and I can tell you, it's ... it's intimidating. 290 00:17:33,791 --> 00:17:35,445 I mean, it's an intimidating process when you go, 291 00:17:35,576 --> 00:17:37,621 "Okay, hey, this machine's gonna tell 292 00:17:37,752 --> 00:17:39,667 whether I'm, you know, lying or not." 293 00:17:43,497 --> 00:17:46,674 I really started second-guessing myself 294 00:17:46,804 --> 00:17:49,938 because, you know, I thought the polygraph was, 295 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:51,374 oh, it knows the truth. 296 00:17:51,505 --> 00:17:52,593 It ... It's not lying. 297 00:17:52,723 --> 00:17:54,160 It's ... 'Cause that's ... 298 00:17:54,290 --> 00:17:55,944 You know, it's supposed to be a truth machine. 299 00:18:11,525 --> 00:18:14,571 This is the worst coerced interrogation 300 00:18:14,702 --> 00:18:16,182 I have ever witnessed. 301 00:18:16,312 --> 00:18:19,663 And I've viewed thousands of hours of these. 302 00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:22,536 Chris was offered an immunity deal, 303 00:18:22,666 --> 00:18:27,497 which was used as a cudgel to manipulate Chris. 304 00:18:27,628 --> 00:18:31,240 The immunity agreement gave him a license 305 00:18:31,371 --> 00:18:33,982 to implicate himself in the crime. 306 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:36,289 As long as he gave truthful information, 307 00:18:36,419 --> 00:18:39,901 that was his safety net. 308 00:18:40,031 --> 00:18:44,949 That immunity deal and the polygraph were used together 309 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,650 to get Chris to say whatever the police wanted him to say. 310 00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:24,859 They had two people they were already convinced were there, 311 00:19:24,989 --> 00:19:27,514 were involved, were present in the apartment. 312 00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:30,821 Now they needed the third person. 313 00:19:30,952 --> 00:19:34,085 The third person who the police seem to have constructed. 314 00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:35,261 Because they're still trying to find somebody 315 00:19:35,391 --> 00:19:36,392 that would match that DNA. 316 00:19:36,523 --> 00:19:37,959 Right. 317 00:19:56,238 --> 00:20:00,111 Instead of saying, "We were barking up the wrong tree," 318 00:20:00,242 --> 00:20:04,942 they doubled down on Ben Hobbs, Chris Tapp, 319 00:20:05,073 --> 00:20:06,727 and Jeremy Sargis. 320 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,891 I know it sounds real bad, but I gave up my best friend, 321 00:20:41,022 --> 00:20:42,458 Jer, that was one of my ... 322 00:20:42,589 --> 00:20:44,504 one of my greatest friends, you know. 323 00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:46,375 Just stupid. 324 00:20:54,818 --> 00:20:57,212 He'd ask a question and then, you know, after everything, 325 00:20:57,343 --> 00:20:59,083 "Hey, you're being truthful about this. 326 00:20:59,214 --> 00:21:00,389 Hey, you're being truthful about that." 327 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,173 And I'm, like, 328 00:21:02,304 --> 00:21:05,046 I don't understand how I'm being truthful. 329 00:21:47,131 --> 00:21:51,222 They claim that he lied about the involvement 330 00:21:51,353 --> 00:21:54,878 of a person Chris only named 331 00:21:55,009 --> 00:21:58,621 because he was told to name him by the detective. 332 00:21:58,752 --> 00:22:01,711 So they rescind his immunity agreement. 333 00:22:01,842 --> 00:22:04,714 So any confession that he makes after that 334 00:22:04,845 --> 00:22:07,543 is about trying to get back his immunity agreement. 335 00:22:12,679 --> 00:22:15,638 The whole early part of the investigation 336 00:22:15,769 --> 00:22:20,382 is about getting Chris to implicate both Ben and Jeremy. 337 00:22:20,513 --> 00:22:22,384 When that doesn't work, 338 00:22:22,515 --> 00:22:24,734 they need to get him to implicate himself. 339 00:22:24,865 --> 00:22:28,477 So they feed information about the crime to Chris, 340 00:22:28,608 --> 00:22:31,001 that only the true perpetrator would know. 341 00:22:38,792 --> 00:22:41,229 If Chris could have identified the house, 342 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,189 if Chris could have identified where the assault took place, 343 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,148 the position of her body, 344 00:22:47,278 --> 00:22:50,194 the police would have known he was guilty. 345 00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:53,850 But he couldn't, and so these investigators 346 00:22:53,981 --> 00:22:55,417 fed him those facts. 347 00:23:18,658 --> 00:23:21,704 Ultimately, what do the investigators do? 348 00:23:21,835 --> 00:23:24,359 They took him to the crime scene. 349 00:23:28,668 --> 00:23:30,409 When they took me to the apartment, 350 00:23:30,539 --> 00:23:31,758 I felt really scared. 351 00:23:31,888 --> 00:23:33,542 Not scared of going inside. 352 00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:35,326 I was just ... I was scared 'cause I didn't know 353 00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:40,070 what else to give 'em or ... or ... or to say to 'em. 354 00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:42,551 It was the first time I've ever been inside the apartment, 355 00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:47,556 and I was just scared. 356 00:23:47,687 --> 00:23:50,167 Then, while we're in the apartment, they said, 357 00:23:50,298 --> 00:23:51,778 "Well, hey, walk us through this." 358 00:23:51,908 --> 00:23:53,693 I tried to walk 'em through it. 359 00:23:53,823 --> 00:23:55,564 But, then they said, "Well, no, you're not right. 360 00:23:55,695 --> 00:23:57,261 It was like this, right? 361 00:23:57,392 --> 00:24:01,352 It was ... It was this way, and it was that way." 362 00:24:01,483 --> 00:24:03,529 To the point where I'm getting frustrated, 363 00:24:03,659 --> 00:24:06,575 I'm getting, you know, there's tears in my eyes 364 00:24:06,706 --> 00:24:11,275 because I just don't know what to do. 365 00:24:11,406 --> 00:24:13,495 What's important about the crime scene visit 366 00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:16,411 is, it's not recorded. 367 00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:19,632 They recorded almost everything with Chris, 368 00:24:19,762 --> 00:24:23,679 but in this critical timeframe, where Detective Fuhriman claims 369 00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:26,465 that Chris finally started to involve himself 370 00:24:26,595 --> 00:24:29,555 in the crime, is never recorded. 371 00:24:29,685 --> 00:24:33,254 Why? Why didn't he record it? 372 00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:36,910 It's ... It's absurd, and it leads me to believe 373 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,869 that Detective Fuhriman fed him additional facts 374 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,829 during that encounter. 375 00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:48,399 At that point, in my head, going to prison, 376 00:24:48,530 --> 00:24:51,794 I didn't think of anything else. 377 00:24:51,925 --> 00:24:53,796 You know, I'm done. 378 00:24:53,927 --> 00:24:57,278 So, I would do whatever they wanted. 379 00:25:12,206 --> 00:25:14,121 False confessions are the product 380 00:25:14,251 --> 00:25:18,255 of standard psychological interrogation tactics 381 00:25:18,386 --> 00:25:21,302 that can overwhelm anybody. 382 00:25:21,432 --> 00:25:23,652 Everyone has a breaking point. 383 00:25:23,783 --> 00:25:25,741 They don't understand that police officers 384 00:25:25,872 --> 00:25:27,700 are allowed to lie to them. 385 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:30,354 And when told that there is overwhelming evidence 386 00:25:30,485 --> 00:25:32,879 against them, it can cause 387 00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:35,969 a crisis of confidence in their own memories, 388 00:25:36,099 --> 00:25:37,448 and the truth, of course, 389 00:25:37,579 --> 00:25:40,103 becomes whatever the officer wants to hear. 390 00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:04,998 All right, guys. 391 00:26:05,128 --> 00:26:07,827 Danny Smith is an investigator who can help us kind of work 392 00:26:07,957 --> 00:26:10,003 and navigate through next steps. 393 00:26:10,133 --> 00:26:11,700 -Good morning! -Good morning, Danny. 394 00:26:11,831 --> 00:26:13,093 Hi, how is everybody? 395 00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:15,008 Very good. 396 00:26:15,138 --> 00:26:16,705 Hey, Danny, what's some of your background? 397 00:26:16,836 --> 00:26:18,620 You know, you have the background in law enforcement? 398 00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:21,536 I actually am a retired homicide detective 399 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:23,320 from Los Angeles County. 400 00:26:23,451 --> 00:26:25,801 I spent a little over 21 years with 401 00:26:25,932 --> 00:26:27,498 the L.A. County Sheriff's Department. 402 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:29,370 We've been talking among ourselves 403 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:33,853 about how this investigation seemed suspect-focused 404 00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:36,507 rather than crime-scene focused. 405 00:26:36,638 --> 00:26:39,815 If you go down there and walk the crime scene yourself, 406 00:26:39,946 --> 00:26:41,730 you may very well glean something 407 00:26:41,861 --> 00:26:43,514 that nobody else paid much attention 408 00:26:43,645 --> 00:26:46,169 to because that really didn't seem to be their focus. 409 00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,998 Yeah, it's imperative to ... to see the crime scene. 410 00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:52,523 You always can pick up new details. 411 00:26:52,654 --> 00:26:55,657 So, you know, I'm ... I'm hoping to take a look at this, 412 00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:57,354 and then give you guys a better feel 413 00:26:57,485 --> 00:26:59,966 for what actually we're looking at. 414 00:27:00,096 --> 00:27:02,969 I-I'm interested in what Chris Tapp himself 415 00:27:03,099 --> 00:27:06,755 has to say upon reflection as to what happened to him, 416 00:27:06,886 --> 00:27:09,584 how he views it 20 years later. 417 00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:12,674 You know, we have a plan where we're going to be able 418 00:27:12,805 --> 00:27:15,329 to interview him at the prison. 419 00:27:15,459 --> 00:27:16,852 Well, I know you guys in L.A., 420 00:27:16,983 --> 00:27:18,332 you're some really good homicide detectives, 421 00:27:18,462 --> 00:27:19,942 so glad to have you on board. 422 00:27:20,073 --> 00:27:21,727 Thank you. 423 00:27:21,857 --> 00:27:23,119 This is gonna be a good one. 424 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,252 Yeah. I'm real confident about him. 425 00:27:29,822 --> 00:27:34,435 I love Idaho. It's a great state. 426 00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:36,524 You know, a lot of cops have moved up here. 427 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:40,006 We've joked about it. 428 00:27:40,136 --> 00:27:41,921 The crime rate is very, very low, 429 00:27:42,051 --> 00:27:44,880 you know, considering where I'm from. 430 00:27:47,796 --> 00:27:52,496 So, it's a great place to live and have your family. 431 00:27:52,627 --> 00:27:55,195 But the only down side is that people who investigate 432 00:27:55,325 --> 00:27:59,852 the murders when they do occur, they have a lot less experience. 433 00:28:02,028 --> 00:28:03,986 I was at L.A. County Sheriff's Department 434 00:28:04,117 --> 00:28:07,294 Homicide Bureau for 7 years, 21 years on the job. 435 00:28:07,424 --> 00:28:09,426 And with the L.A. County Sheriff's Department, 436 00:28:09,557 --> 00:28:12,212 homicide's an elite unit. 437 00:28:12,342 --> 00:28:13,692 And, you know, I just was in an environment 438 00:28:13,822 --> 00:28:15,650 where you ... you couldn't help 439 00:28:15,781 --> 00:28:20,655 but become a seasoned homicide investigator. 440 00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:23,005 You have to stand in a lot of crime scenes to really get to 441 00:28:23,136 --> 00:28:26,487 where you know how to process a crime scene 442 00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:29,011 and how to interpret a crime scene. 443 00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:35,148 As I've worked as a private investigator in Idaho, 444 00:28:35,278 --> 00:28:38,629 I don't investigate a lot of death cases. 445 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,327 There's just not much call for it, 446 00:28:40,457 --> 00:28:41,894 but, you know, when I'm back into the mode 447 00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:44,287 of a homicide detective, 448 00:28:44,418 --> 00:28:46,637 I-I have to tell you, I mean, it's ... it's invigorating 449 00:28:46,768 --> 00:28:49,684 because it was my calling. 450 00:29:23,370 --> 00:29:25,198 -Chris. How you doing? 451 00:29:25,328 --> 00:29:26,677 I'm Danny Smith. 452 00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:27,896 -How you doing? -Good, how are you? 453 00:29:28,027 --> 00:29:30,943 -Good. You? -Good. 454 00:29:31,073 --> 00:29:34,120 You know, you ... you learn to adapt in prison. 455 00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:35,556 I tell people all the time, 456 00:29:35,686 --> 00:29:36,949 I had to become something in prison 457 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:40,213 that I wasn't when I was free. 458 00:29:40,343 --> 00:29:43,433 'Cause you have to learn how to survive in here. 459 00:29:43,564 --> 00:29:45,044 I've thought about the interrogations 460 00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:47,176 for the last 20-some years. 461 00:29:53,052 --> 00:29:55,054 Okay. 462 00:29:55,184 --> 00:29:56,838 I feel anger towards Fuhriman 463 00:29:56,969 --> 00:29:58,535 and the whole Idaho Falls Police Department. 464 00:29:58,666 --> 00:30:00,755 I did. 465 00:30:00,886 --> 00:30:03,714 I can't lie. I still ... to this day, 466 00:30:03,845 --> 00:30:06,892 I still get mad every once in a while. 467 00:30:07,022 --> 00:30:11,940 But I understood why they did what they did. 468 00:30:12,071 --> 00:30:14,943 One is because I was able to get so easily tricked. 469 00:30:15,074 --> 00:30:18,773 And two, it's ... it was an unsolved-murder case, 470 00:30:18,904 --> 00:30:20,427 so they were trying to do whatever they had to 471 00:30:20,557 --> 00:30:21,863 to solve this case. 472 00:30:21,994 --> 00:30:23,734 It didn't matter if it was right or wrong. 473 00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:25,954 They did what they had to do. 474 00:30:26,085 --> 00:30:27,521 It does matter if it's right or wrong. 475 00:30:35,094 --> 00:30:36,573 -No. -Tell me the other person 476 00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:38,445 who was there so we can get an idea. 477 00:30:38,575 --> 00:30:41,143 Then I can run this and we can get that happening. 478 00:30:41,274 --> 00:30:43,624 Maybe Jer was. 479 00:30:43,754 --> 00:30:45,321 That's what I want to know. 480 00:30:45,452 --> 00:30:47,367 I want you to tell me like we talked about. 481 00:30:47,497 --> 00:30:50,805 So it's you and Jer ... Jeremy? 482 00:30:50,936 --> 00:30:52,067 Yes, sir. And Jeremy. 483 00:30:52,198 --> 00:30:54,417 Okay. 484 00:31:00,597 --> 00:31:04,863 Hurts. Hurts a lot. 485 00:31:04,993 --> 00:31:08,954 It hurts a lot to see that ... 486 00:31:09,084 --> 00:31:11,652 I... 487 00:31:11,782 --> 00:31:16,483 My friends, I threw them underneath a bus... 488 00:31:16,613 --> 00:31:20,400 for no reason. 489 00:31:20,530 --> 00:31:24,317 Just 'cause that's what they wanted me to do. 490 00:31:26,101 --> 00:31:30,801 I can't believe I got tricked into doing 491 00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:33,326 and saying the things that I did. 492 00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:39,201 And it's sad that I had to waste 20 years of my life in prison 493 00:31:39,332 --> 00:31:43,336 for something I had nothing to do with. 494 00:31:43,466 --> 00:31:46,339 And grow up and miss everything. 495 00:31:49,603 --> 00:31:51,300 I thought Chris' interview 496 00:31:51,431 --> 00:31:53,128 was interesting in a number of ways. 497 00:31:53,259 --> 00:31:54,695 His body language indicates to me 498 00:31:54,825 --> 00:31:57,045 that he was telling the truth. 499 00:31:57,176 --> 00:32:02,007 He was very, very direct, very honest. 500 00:32:02,137 --> 00:32:05,184 There was no signs of deception whatsoever. 501 00:32:13,844 --> 00:32:15,150 After they charged me 502 00:32:15,281 --> 00:32:16,978 with the actual crime of murder, 503 00:32:17,109 --> 00:32:18,937 I met a federal inmate, 504 00:32:19,067 --> 00:32:21,852 and he said his attorney had never lost a murder case. 505 00:32:21,983 --> 00:32:23,332 So I was, like, "Oh, wow, that's the greatest thing 506 00:32:23,463 --> 00:32:24,638 in the world." 507 00:32:24,768 --> 00:32:27,728 That's how I got Booker. 508 00:32:27,858 --> 00:32:29,948 I told my mom he'll be able to win for us. 509 00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:31,950 It's gonna be all right, Mom, just give him the money, 510 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,343 and everything will be all right. 511 00:32:34,474 --> 00:32:36,650 So mom got another mortgage on the house 512 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:39,348 to get him all the money. 513 00:32:39,479 --> 00:32:41,611 My husband had a heart problem, 514 00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:43,657 and so he couldn't work. 515 00:32:43,787 --> 00:32:46,399 So I had two jobs just to keep a roof over our heads 516 00:32:46,529 --> 00:32:50,359 and pay for Robert Booker's fee. 517 00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:52,753 So I could only go a couple of times 518 00:32:52,883 --> 00:32:56,409 to Christopher's trial. 519 00:32:56,539 --> 00:33:00,543 Once Chris realizes he's made this confession, 520 00:33:00,674 --> 00:33:04,983 he wants to go to trial to say, "I didn't really do this crime." 521 00:33:05,113 --> 00:33:07,115 But there's a confession, so ... 522 00:33:07,246 --> 00:33:08,856 -So he hires a new lawyer. -Right. 523 00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:10,727 And they try to get the confession 524 00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,381 suppressed, you know, on the grounds 525 00:33:12,512 --> 00:33:14,340 that it was obtained unlawfully. 526 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:15,689 And if the confession gets thrown out, there's no case. 527 00:33:15,819 --> 00:33:17,256 Yeah. 528 00:33:17,386 --> 00:33:19,127 Because you don't have a murder weapon, 529 00:33:19,258 --> 00:33:20,737 you don't have an eyewitness, you don't have DNA. 530 00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:22,783 But the confession doesn't get suppressed, 531 00:33:22,913 --> 00:33:26,221 and they go to trial with the confession. 532 00:33:26,352 --> 00:33:30,486 Did Christopher Tapp do anything in his interview 533 00:33:30,617 --> 00:33:33,576 of the 7th or the 10th which suggested 534 00:33:33,707 --> 00:33:35,665 to you that Christopher Tapp understood 535 00:33:35,796 --> 00:33:38,538 the seriousness of what you were doing? 536 00:33:38,668 --> 00:33:41,715 I don't know what he was thinking. 537 00:33:41,845 --> 00:33:44,544 Booker was very articulate. He was a very smart man. 538 00:33:44,674 --> 00:33:47,416 And during the trial, I thought Booker was doing all right, 539 00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:49,157 proving the points. 540 00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:51,333 What other evidence is there that there were two 541 00:33:51,464 --> 00:33:54,162 or more people holding the victim down? 542 00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:57,948 But my confession was a little much. 543 00:34:24,062 --> 00:34:26,629 A confession is probably the most powerful piece of evidence 544 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,110 in a court of law. 545 00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:32,940 More powerful, even, than DNA evidence. 546 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,595 There are cases, and Chris' is one of them, 547 00:34:35,725 --> 00:34:40,513 where the DNA evidence doesn't match what Chris says happened. 548 00:34:40,643 --> 00:34:44,865 We don't know whose DNA was left at the crime scene. 549 00:34:44,995 --> 00:34:48,260 That should be enough, under most circumstances, 550 00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:51,741 to lead prosecutors not to charge somebody. 551 00:34:51,872 --> 00:34:56,181 And under most circumstances, to lead a jury not to convict. 552 00:34:56,311 --> 00:35:01,142 But the jurors can't understand why any rational person 553 00:35:01,273 --> 00:35:04,754 would confess to a crime that they didn't commit, 554 00:35:04,885 --> 00:35:08,932 especially a crime that could land them on death row. 555 00:35:45,926 --> 00:35:48,494 I want to thank everybody. I want to thank the jury. 556 00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:53,325 You were Angie's voice, and the verdict was God's will. 557 00:35:53,455 --> 00:35:56,241 And thank you, everybody, for standing by us 558 00:35:56,371 --> 00:36:00,419 and for all of your prayers and your comfort and your support. 559 00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:02,638 It's hard to watch those videos 560 00:36:02,769 --> 00:36:04,597 and come up with an explanation. 561 00:36:04,727 --> 00:36:07,948 It's hard to explain what Christopher was thinking 562 00:36:08,078 --> 00:36:12,648 when he was going along with the leading questioning. 563 00:36:12,779 --> 00:36:16,696 And it's clear that the jury thought 564 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:19,046 that he was unfolding the truth 565 00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:22,789 rather than responding to leading questions. 566 00:36:22,919 --> 00:36:25,095 I believe that Christopher is completely innocent. 567 00:36:25,226 --> 00:36:27,402 I don't believe that he was there. 568 00:36:27,533 --> 00:36:31,058 It is definitely the most difficult verdict 569 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:34,017 I've ever had to be a part of. 570 00:36:34,148 --> 00:36:36,106 There's not much to say to a kid 571 00:36:36,237 --> 00:36:38,283 who is being faced at this point 572 00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:40,502 with the possibility of the death penalty 573 00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:42,287 or life in prison. 574 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,538 I just couldn't believe they wanted the death penalty. 575 00:37:16,669 --> 00:37:20,150 And that was my most scared moment of my life 576 00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:22,849 because I thought, if they give this kid the death penalty, 577 00:37:22,979 --> 00:37:25,112 I mean, I've done lost him. 578 00:37:54,184 --> 00:37:57,449 Then Carol Dodge and Brent Dodge got up to the stand 579 00:37:57,579 --> 00:37:59,973 and telling me what a worthless piece of shit of a son 580 00:38:00,103 --> 00:38:02,497 that I had, you know? 581 00:38:02,628 --> 00:38:04,673 That didn't hit good. 582 00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:24,302 I understand how Carol felt. 583 00:38:36,096 --> 00:38:39,708 But I hope that she understands how I felt at the moment. 584 00:38:57,117 --> 00:39:01,251 Long before they arrested him, I knew Chris Tapp was involved. 585 00:39:01,382 --> 00:39:05,821 And I came down here, and I-I did everything I could think of. 586 00:39:05,952 --> 00:39:09,347 Doesn't anybody understand what is going on in this town? 587 00:39:09,477 --> 00:39:11,827 Won't anybody wake up? 588 00:39:11,958 --> 00:39:15,831 This town needs to wake up! 589 00:39:15,962 --> 00:39:18,834 Take your blinders off, for hell sakes. 590 00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:27,756 You did a wonderful job, but my daughter's dead. 591 00:39:27,887 --> 00:39:29,758 It's ... It's deaf ears. Arrest me. 592 00:39:29,889 --> 00:39:33,588 -No. -Arrest me. Take me in. 593 00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:51,954 And my personal perception is that's the real 594 00:39:52,085 --> 00:39:54,261 piece of the puzzle that we need to put together next. 595 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:57,612 Once that's together, then this whole case will be resolved. 596 00:40:03,183 --> 00:40:05,794 We're headed up to Idaho Falls. 597 00:40:05,925 --> 00:40:10,059 I'm gonna have the opportunity to meet Angie's mom, Carol. 598 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:13,498 She has inundated herself with this case for the last decade, 599 00:40:13,628 --> 00:40:15,935 at least, and is very, very knowledgeable 600 00:40:16,065 --> 00:40:20,418 about every aspect of the investigation itself. 601 00:40:20,548 --> 00:40:22,594 It's going to be real interesting to meet with her. 602 00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:32,604 Three weeks prior to Angie's death, 603 00:40:32,734 --> 00:40:34,693 her and I'd had a disagreement, 604 00:40:34,823 --> 00:40:37,739 and that's when she moved out into her apartment. 605 00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:40,916 But the night before, she came to the house, 606 00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:45,747 and she said that she had done something really stupid. 607 00:40:47,836 --> 00:40:52,580 And because her and I had had our disagreement, 608 00:40:52,711 --> 00:40:54,930 I didn't want to pry. 609 00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:58,281 And that's the last time I saw her. 610 00:40:58,412 --> 00:41:01,546 So, my ... my journey for over 21 years 611 00:41:01,676 --> 00:41:06,507 has really been focused into 612 00:41:06,638 --> 00:41:09,249 why she was killed and who killed her. 613 00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:12,426 Because when Chris Tapp was arrested, 614 00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:15,124 I was still looking for whoever left the DNA. 615 00:41:24,612 --> 00:41:28,181 Go straight. 616 00:41:28,311 --> 00:41:32,707 Now I want you to take a right. 617 00:41:32,838 --> 00:41:34,709 Okay. 618 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,842 And then I want you to take a left on J Street. 619 00:41:36,972 --> 00:41:38,974 Okay. 620 00:41:39,975 --> 00:41:44,110 Make another turn here. 621 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,287 You are in complete disagreement with my GPS. 622 00:41:47,417 --> 00:41:48,680 I don't follow GPSs. 623 00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:55,034 Okay, turn up this little road. 624 00:41:55,164 --> 00:41:58,516 Chris in his videotaped confessions 625 00:41:58,646 --> 00:42:01,388 talks about a guy in this area. 626 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:06,175 And I actually sat right here, 'cause I parked right here, 627 00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:09,004 and I videotaped that house right there. 628 00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:11,572 These two houses were cooking meth, 629 00:42:11,703 --> 00:42:14,140 and I actually sat in my truck and filmed 'em. 630 00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:19,014 Thinking, this is the most craziest thing 631 00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:21,103 in the whole world. 632 00:42:21,234 --> 00:42:23,236 And the next day, I'd go turn all my information in. 633 00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:25,325 The cop says, "Carol, you're gonna get killed." 634 00:42:25,455 --> 00:42:28,023 Right. And so they had to have a cop follow me. 635 00:42:28,154 --> 00:42:30,243 I didn't know he was following me. 636 00:42:30,373 --> 00:42:32,462 But they had an undercover car following me, 637 00:42:32,593 --> 00:42:34,073 just to protect me. Wow. 638 00:42:34,203 --> 00:42:36,031 Because man, I-I had no fear. 639 00:42:36,162 --> 00:42:38,077 I'm telling you, I had no fear. 640 00:42:38,207 --> 00:42:39,687 Right. 641 00:42:39,818 --> 00:42:42,429 Every night I lived out on the streets, 642 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,649 and I every day would report back 643 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:48,043 all the findings of all the drug houses that I came about. 644 00:42:48,174 --> 00:42:49,871 All this time, they kept saying, 645 00:42:50,002 --> 00:42:51,220 "Carol, we don't know who killed your daughter." 646 00:42:51,351 --> 00:42:52,744 How many years were you out here? 647 00:42:52,874 --> 00:42:56,878 Three years, until '99. 648 00:42:57,009 --> 00:42:58,576 But I've never really stopped looking. 649 00:42:58,706 --> 00:43:00,882 I just stopped living out on the streets. 650 00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:02,884 Right. 651 00:43:03,015 --> 00:43:04,320 I'm telling you, it's the most craziest damn story 652 00:43:04,451 --> 00:43:05,931 you ever heard in your life. 653 00:43:06,061 --> 00:43:07,193 Yeah, I mean, most people wouldn't believe it 654 00:43:07,323 --> 00:43:08,977 if they made a movie out of it. 655 00:43:09,108 --> 00:43:11,589 I think this is gonna end where nobody's ever looked. 656 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,330 I think there's a good chance of that. 657 00:43:17,856 --> 00:43:19,553 When I lived out on the streets, 658 00:43:19,684 --> 00:43:22,600 I met the toughest and the roughest. 659 00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:24,602 I have people out there in that world 660 00:43:24,732 --> 00:43:25,907 that would do anything in the world for me 661 00:43:26,038 --> 00:43:29,041 with a snap of a finger. 662 00:43:29,171 --> 00:43:32,740 And I got a call one night 663 00:43:32,871 --> 00:43:35,613 from a prison inmate. 664 00:43:35,743 --> 00:43:38,616 Said ... And he was in Texas. 665 00:43:38,746 --> 00:43:41,140 He said, "You'll never believe who arrived here tonight. 666 00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:43,664 Chris had arrived in Texas. 667 00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:46,101 What do you want done with him?" 668 00:43:46,232 --> 00:43:47,799 And I said, nothing. 669 00:43:47,929 --> 00:43:50,671 I said, "I just want the guy's name. 670 00:43:50,802 --> 00:43:52,455 That's all I want." 671 00:43:52,586 --> 00:43:57,156 So, Chris wrote me this letter. 672 00:43:57,286 --> 00:44:00,159 "Dear Mrs. Dodge. 673 00:44:00,289 --> 00:44:03,510 I do not know who killed your daughter. 674 00:44:03,641 --> 00:44:06,687 Honest to God, I do not know." 675 00:44:06,818 --> 00:44:11,126 He really doesn't know who killed my daughter. 676 00:44:11,257 --> 00:44:16,175 IFPD had me so programmed for 13 years 677 00:44:16,305 --> 00:44:20,788 that Chris was part of my daughter's killing. 678 00:44:20,919 --> 00:44:24,096 Then I started watching the interrogation tapes 679 00:44:24,226 --> 00:44:25,967 until I just wanted to put my fists right through the TV. 680 00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:34,410 And from then, I was on a campaign to say, 681 00:44:34,541 --> 00:44:36,674 they wronged him, they wronged me, they wronged Vera. 682 00:44:36,804 --> 00:44:38,806 They've got the wrong person. 683 00:44:38,937 --> 00:44:41,026 I want him out of prison. 684 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,296 Chris Tapp had been through a number of attorneys. 685 00:44:50,426 --> 00:44:52,124 I came into the public defender's office, 686 00:44:52,254 --> 00:44:54,039 and this was one of the first post-convictions 687 00:44:54,169 --> 00:44:56,781 that I ended up acquiring. 688 00:44:56,911 --> 00:44:59,131 And I started with just basically a manila folder 689 00:44:59,261 --> 00:45:01,655 that had a petition for post-conviction in it, 690 00:45:01,786 --> 00:45:03,657 and nothing else. 691 00:45:03,788 --> 00:45:07,661 And now I have several banker boxes full of files. 692 00:45:07,792 --> 00:45:09,315 I put in a lot more time, 693 00:45:09,445 --> 00:45:12,231 and I do a lot more work after hours on this case. 694 00:45:12,361 --> 00:45:14,102 But it's absolutely worth it. 695 00:45:14,233 --> 00:45:15,800 Right. 696 00:45:15,930 --> 00:45:19,368 These are the scene photos that I have. 697 00:45:19,499 --> 00:45:22,502 It's nice to have a fresh set of eyes to look at this. 698 00:45:24,504 --> 00:45:25,853 You seem to be studying something. 699 00:45:25,984 --> 00:45:28,421 What is it that you're studying? 700 00:45:28,551 --> 00:45:31,772 From what I see, there's no blood much higher 701 00:45:31,903 --> 00:45:33,556 than about 30 inches on that wall. 702 00:45:33,687 --> 00:45:35,515 I don't believe that she was assaulted 703 00:45:35,645 --> 00:45:36,995 while she was standing. 704 00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:39,606 I think that if she were ever on her feet, 705 00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:42,435 that that room would be torn apart. 706 00:45:42,565 --> 00:45:47,527 That room is sterile outside of that very narrow crime scene.Right. 707 00:45:47,657 --> 00:45:51,574 That was weird to me. There's a lamp on a dresser just ... just ... 708 00:45:51,705 --> 00:45:53,402 Didn't even get knocked over. I mean, within reach. 709 00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:56,057 Yeah. There's not a fight that goes on in there. 710 00:45:56,188 --> 00:45:59,713 There's a very violent and quick assault. 711 00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:01,715 A blitz-style assault. 712 00:46:01,846 --> 00:46:04,674 One of my theories on this is I think she was asleep, 713 00:46:04,805 --> 00:46:06,807 and that the suspect came in, 714 00:46:06,938 --> 00:46:10,332 and the very first blow was to the left side of her head. 715 00:46:10,463 --> 00:46:12,813 And then I think from that, it went straight to the ground, 716 00:46:12,944 --> 00:46:16,469 and she was quickly assaulted with the knife. 717 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,515 So, I think that that crime scene tells me 718 00:46:19,646 --> 00:46:22,170 that there's not more than one person there. 719 00:46:22,301 --> 00:46:23,824 Right. 720 00:46:23,955 --> 00:46:25,826 How did he get in is the question. 721 00:46:31,919 --> 00:46:33,573 So, as you're looking at it now, 722 00:46:33,703 --> 00:46:37,011 you can see how easy it would be to climb up those stairs, 723 00:46:37,142 --> 00:46:39,884 get on top of this railing here on the ledge, 724 00:46:40,014 --> 00:46:41,015 and then just get right on top of the, roof to roof. 725 00:46:41,146 --> 00:46:43,104 Yeah. 726 00:46:43,235 --> 00:46:45,715 And get into that apartment up there. 727 00:46:45,846 --> 00:46:47,413 Yeah, now that's easy access. 728 00:46:47,543 --> 00:46:49,589 Much easier access than I would have imagined. 729 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,721 Yeah. 730 00:46:51,852 --> 00:46:54,724 The fact that we know that that back door was open, 731 00:46:54,855 --> 00:46:57,510 it's almost inevitable that was the point of entry. 732 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,121 Yeah, I agree with you there. 733 00:47:01,819 --> 00:47:04,734 The killer's DNA is on the hands, pubic hair, 734 00:47:04,865 --> 00:47:06,824 the shirt, and the sweat pants. 735 00:47:06,954 --> 00:47:09,087 And Chris Tapp is specifically excluded 736 00:47:09,217 --> 00:47:11,741 from each one of those pieces of evidence. 737 00:47:11,872 --> 00:47:16,659 You can't have an encounter like this and not leave evidence. 738 00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:19,401 There's no physical evidence that puts him there, period. 739 00:47:19,532 --> 00:47:21,447 Yeah. I mean, it just doesn't add up. 740 00:47:21,577 --> 00:47:23,318 It's mind-boggling. 741 00:47:23,449 --> 00:47:25,364 So you're convinced it's a drug deal ... 742 00:47:25,494 --> 00:47:28,019 or a ... not a drug deal, but ... -No, I think it was a drug hit. 743 00:47:28,149 --> 00:47:29,542 The police may have approached her 744 00:47:29,672 --> 00:47:32,066 about doing some confidential informant work. 745 00:47:32,197 --> 00:47:33,676 And I think that they were, like, 746 00:47:33,807 --> 00:47:35,243 "We're gonna send a message 747 00:47:35,374 --> 00:47:37,245 to other confidential informants." 748 00:47:39,334 --> 00:47:42,076 Would it be worth looking at these houses across the alley? 749 00:47:42,207 --> 00:47:44,209 Absolutely. 750 00:47:44,339 --> 00:47:47,603 There were lots of drugs coming in and out of the area. 751 00:47:47,734 --> 00:47:50,041 And so from Angie's vantage point, 752 00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:53,218 she could see what was going on in these people's backyards. 753 00:47:53,348 --> 00:47:56,003 -Right. -Possibly to her demise. 754 00:47:58,353 --> 00:48:00,703 I'm not gonna say that that's not plausible, 755 00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:02,792 but I have a couple of doubts. 756 00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:05,447 If they thought that she was an informant 757 00:48:05,578 --> 00:48:07,754 -and they were going to do her, -Mm-hmm. 758 00:48:07,885 --> 00:48:09,669 ...you're 10 minutes from the woods. 759 00:48:09,799 --> 00:48:12,846 There's a lot easier ways than to creep into someone's home 760 00:48:12,977 --> 00:48:14,717 while they're sleeping to kill them. 761 00:48:14,848 --> 00:48:17,329 But there's too many drugs going on in that neighborhood. 762 00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:20,854 But there's a bit of a deranged mental makeup to this. 763 00:48:20,985 --> 00:48:23,639 The perpetrator leaving his semen all over her. 764 00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:25,772 I never heard of it in a drug hit ever. 765 00:48:25,903 --> 00:48:27,426 I've never, ever heard of a sexual component 766 00:48:27,556 --> 00:48:28,688 becoming part of a drug hit. 767 00:48:28,818 --> 00:48:33,040 -Okay. -Period. 768 00:48:33,171 --> 00:48:36,174 The case, as it stands, has mostly been looked at 769 00:48:36,304 --> 00:48:41,135 from the aspect of having a drug connection to it. 770 00:48:41,266 --> 00:48:43,877 But it's a sexual assault murder, 771 00:48:44,008 --> 00:48:48,795 and the two just don't overlap in my experience. 772 00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:52,320 It's going to be something very different, so ... 773 00:48:52,451 --> 00:48:55,671 I'm going to be having a Skype call 774 00:48:55,802 --> 00:49:00,067 with retired FBI profiler, Gregg McCrary. 775 00:49:00,198 --> 00:49:02,765 His expertise is in profiling, and, um ... 776 00:49:02,896 --> 00:49:05,072 and that's one of the things 777 00:49:05,203 --> 00:49:08,336 the FBI has done a phenomenal job with, 778 00:49:08,467 --> 00:49:10,817 bringing that investigative approach 779 00:49:10,948 --> 00:49:14,212 into a, uh, absolute science. 780 00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:19,695 I'd be very surprised if this has any nexus 781 00:49:19,826 --> 00:49:21,959 to drug dealing of any sort. 782 00:49:22,089 --> 00:49:25,353 To murder somebody is one thing, but to be sexually aroused 783 00:49:25,484 --> 00:49:28,139 and ... and apparently ... a-apparently, he masturbated, 784 00:49:28,269 --> 00:49:30,706 ejaculated over the body, around the body. 785 00:49:30,837 --> 00:49:34,101 That pairing is what's really, I think, driving the crime, 786 00:49:34,232 --> 00:49:36,234 and really what makes it a sexual homicide 787 00:49:36,364 --> 00:49:39,237 and not necessarily some drug murder or anything else. 788 00:49:39,367 --> 00:49:42,892 What would that tell you in general about an offender? 789 00:49:43,023 --> 00:49:44,677 Well, it tells you about the underlying 790 00:49:44,807 --> 00:49:47,027 sexual pathology of this guy. 791 00:49:47,158 --> 00:49:50,248 That somehow, sex and violence have gotten paired. 792 00:49:50,378 --> 00:49:53,294 And you're likely to see that in other areas of his life. 793 00:49:53,425 --> 00:49:56,819 Peeping, prowling, weird relationships with women, 794 00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:59,997 uncomfortable around women, you know, maybe violence prone. 795 00:50:00,127 --> 00:50:02,477 Maybe violent toward women to a degree. 796 00:50:02,608 --> 00:50:05,915 You're looking for somebody with lesser crimes, 797 00:50:06,046 --> 00:50:07,961 but kind of in this arena. 798 00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:09,745 But then again, you start looking for weird guys... 799 00:50:11,530 --> 00:50:13,184 They're not hard to find sometimes. 800 00:50:13,314 --> 00:50:14,924 -They're everywhere. -Yeah, yeah. 801 00:50:15,055 --> 00:50:17,971 So, would it be more likely that the victim 802 00:50:18,102 --> 00:50:20,104 was known by the offender? 803 00:50:20,234 --> 00:50:23,846 Or do you think it was more likely a complete stranger? 804 00:50:23,977 --> 00:50:25,935 I would rule out a complete stranger. 805 00:50:26,066 --> 00:50:27,546 The idea that someone just showed up 806 00:50:27,676 --> 00:50:28,938 and knocked at the door randomly 807 00:50:29,069 --> 00:50:31,158 and found an 18-year-old girl. 808 00:50:31,289 --> 00:50:32,855 That's ... That's not a high probability at all. 809 00:50:32,986 --> 00:50:35,380 But there's this second tier of folks 810 00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:39,036 who would have been acquainted with her for some lesser reason. 811 00:50:39,166 --> 00:50:42,648 And it could be just from some happenstance contact. 812 00:50:42,778 --> 00:50:45,694 You know, somebody tagged along to help her move in 813 00:50:45,825 --> 00:50:48,306 or some delivery guy or repair guy or ... 814 00:50:48,436 --> 00:50:49,872 I think that's it. 815 00:50:50,003 --> 00:50:51,396 I mean, we ... we got to develop suspects. 816 00:50:51,526 --> 00:50:53,137 'Cause whatever they've done now, hasn't worked. 817 00:50:53,267 --> 00:50:55,400 So we got to think new about this thing. 818 00:50:59,273 --> 00:51:02,233 You guys have a good idea of everyone that lived 819 00:51:02,363 --> 00:51:04,626 in that neighborhood where Angie was killed. 820 00:51:04,757 --> 00:51:06,193 You've lived there for a long time. 821 00:51:06,324 --> 00:51:08,065 -Yeah. -55 years. 822 00:51:08,195 --> 00:51:09,457 And do you guys remember that day 823 00:51:09,588 --> 00:51:10,763 pretty clearly, and were you home? 824 00:51:10,893 --> 00:51:13,461 Oh, yeah. Yes. 825 00:51:13,592 --> 00:51:15,637 Last night, it was so quiet, it was unreal. 826 00:51:15,768 --> 00:51:19,337 Usually dogs are barking, and ... and, um, the neighborhood 827 00:51:19,467 --> 00:51:22,688 was just as quiet as it could be. 828 00:51:22,818 --> 00:51:26,779 First thing we knew, we saw an ambulance driving up, 829 00:51:26,909 --> 00:51:30,957 and then police cars just converged everywhere. 830 00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:34,743 And the first officer on the scene, he said, 831 00:51:34,874 --> 00:51:37,006 "Back out of the way, you. Get out of here. 832 00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:39,183 You get your ambulances out of here. 833 00:51:39,313 --> 00:51:42,838 This is one time we're not gonna screw up." 834 00:51:42,969 --> 00:51:44,536 You've got a great memory, huh? 835 00:51:44,666 --> 00:51:47,016 Believe me, if I do anything wrong, she remembers it. 836 00:51:47,147 --> 00:51:49,193 Oh, yeah. 837 00:51:49,323 --> 00:51:51,195 We haven't, you know, got an awful lot of information 838 00:51:51,325 --> 00:51:53,284 on ... on what really is going on, 839 00:51:53,414 --> 00:51:56,548 but it is very frightening. 840 00:51:58,811 --> 00:52:01,814 So, this is Angie's apartment right here. 841 00:52:01,944 --> 00:52:03,120 Correct. 842 00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:04,817 -This is our home. -Okay. 843 00:52:04,947 --> 00:52:06,688 Let's go up and down this block... 844 00:52:06,819 --> 00:52:09,648 -Okay. -...both sides of the street, 845 00:52:09,778 --> 00:52:13,042 and let's ... let's put names to all of these homes. 846 00:52:13,173 --> 00:52:15,523 This is the Davenports. 847 00:52:15,654 --> 00:52:18,047 This is Hefachers. These ... This is the Hendricks. 848 00:52:18,178 --> 00:52:20,267 -Hendricks. -Mm-hmm. 849 00:52:20,398 --> 00:52:21,877 This home on the corner at the time of Angie's death 850 00:52:22,008 --> 00:52:23,183 was vacant. 851 00:52:23,314 --> 00:52:25,011 Wasn't that Dixie Dix? 852 00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:26,839 -Mm-hmm. -Dixie Dix. 853 00:52:26,969 --> 00:52:28,449 I remember the story about her 854 00:52:28,580 --> 00:52:30,408 being in the basement doing laundry, 855 00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:32,279 and she heard a noise, and she pulled the curtain back, 856 00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:34,934 and there was a man standing there masturbating. 857 00:52:35,064 --> 00:52:37,545 But at the time, the cops were so uninterested 858 00:52:37,676 --> 00:52:39,504 in what we had to say. 859 00:52:39,634 --> 00:52:40,853 They were just, like, "Okay, we already got it figured out. 860 00:52:40,983 --> 00:52:42,811 You know, we're appeasing you. 861 00:52:42,942 --> 00:52:45,118 Go ahead, tell us what you need to so we can get on to our job." 862 00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:46,554 That's ... That's kind of how we felt 863 00:52:46,685 --> 00:52:48,687 we were treated by them at the time. 864 00:52:48,817 --> 00:52:50,776 But we just hope you can find him, please, 865 00:52:50,906 --> 00:52:52,256 for the ... for the Dodge family. 866 00:52:52,386 --> 00:52:53,474 -Yeah. -Mm-hmm. 867 00:52:53,605 --> 00:52:55,346 Well, we're trying. 868 00:52:57,826 --> 00:53:01,352 The one thing that I'm real big on is a neighborhood canvass. 869 00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:04,224 The police should have knocked on every door on that block 870 00:53:04,355 --> 00:53:07,314 and the block adjacent.That's right. 871 00:53:07,445 --> 00:53:09,360 Until they've spoken with every single resident 872 00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:12,058 or visitor in that time period. 873 00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:13,929 You know, as I travel throughout the country here, 874 00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:16,497 looking at all cold cases for the various departments, 875 00:53:16,628 --> 00:53:18,369 it's reflective all the time, 876 00:53:18,499 --> 00:53:20,371 there's just not that real good neighborhood canvass. 877 00:53:20,501 --> 00:53:22,242 And any homicide detective knows, 878 00:53:22,373 --> 00:53:24,984 you solve cases by neighborhood canvass. 879 00:53:25,114 --> 00:53:26,725 Danny, we'll be out there in a couple of weeks 880 00:53:26,855 --> 00:53:28,553 helping you out, hitting the ground running. 881 00:53:31,817 --> 00:53:34,036 -How's it going, man? -Good to see you. 882 00:53:34,167 --> 00:53:35,212 -Good to see you, man. -Good to see you. 883 00:53:35,342 --> 00:53:38,345 How was your trip? -It was good. 884 00:53:38,476 --> 00:53:40,913 We've created a little bit of a list here. 885 00:53:41,043 --> 00:53:43,437 We're gonna put you guys to work. 886 00:53:43,568 --> 00:53:45,178 This ain't no vacation, man. 887 00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:48,573 Sure, that's what we're here for. 888 00:53:48,703 --> 00:53:50,662 These are people that lived right 889 00:53:50,792 --> 00:53:53,665 in that neighborhood in 1996. 890 00:53:53,795 --> 00:53:56,058 All right, let's see if we can do some police work. 891 00:53:56,189 --> 00:53:57,408 We're gonna get the right guy on this one. 892 00:53:57,538 --> 00:53:59,279 We have to. 70476

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