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-This entire sorry saga
boils down to sex and greed.
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-It's rare you see interviews
with the royal family
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in any circumstance, let alone
on something like this.
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-At the heart of the story
is this bizarre,
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dysfunctional triangle
between three people.
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-Prince Andrew
answering questions
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for the first time
about his friendship
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with convicted sex offender
Jeffrey Epstein.
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-For many years, Prince Andrew
tried to avoid this story.
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But, ultimately,
the photograph did him in.
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-She provided a photo
of the two of you together.
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-Yes.
-You've seen the photo.
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-I've seen the photograph.
-How do you explain that?
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-I can't.
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I have absolutely no memory
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of that photograph
ever being taken.
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-Virginia Giuffre alleges that
she was trafficked to have sex
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with Prince Andrew.
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-Trafficked by the Prince's
friend -- Jeffrey Epstein.
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-A very young girl
had allegedly been abused
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by the Queen's second son.
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-That was utterly shocking.
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-The reaction
was absolute horror.
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-How could someone like
Prince Andrew
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have gotten into
such horrible behavior?
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-It was a lifetime
in the making.
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-Andrew was treated
like a little king.
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He was very spoiled.
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-Prince Charles was the heir --
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Prince Andrew
was simply the spare.
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-But Andrew had the edge
over Charles
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because he was
the Queen's favorite.
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That's given him
a lot of leverage.
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-The problem is
the man's an idiot.
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-Don't squeeze my fingers.
Ow!
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-He doesn't drink
and he's never taken drugs.
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But from people I talk to,
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I think you could call him
a sex addict.
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-He couldn't keep
his trousers closed.
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-Are you gonna resign,
Prince Andrew?
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Are you an embarrassment, sir?
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-Prince Andrew's world
is dirty money,
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dirty laundry,
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and dodgy people.
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-Is there any way you could have
had sex with that young woman
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or any young woman
trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein
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in any of his residences?
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-No.
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-It was the start
of December 2010,
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when I got a telephone call
from one of the newspapers
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I worked for,
the News of the World, saying,
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"We think Prince Andrew
is in New York.
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We don't know where,
and we don't know why.
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Could you try and find him?"
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I'd been working
as a freelance journalist
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in New York from 1995, and...
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the thrill of a good story
or, you know, a world exclusive
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never goes away.
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So, I canceled my plans and
called a photographer to join me
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and went off to try
and find Prince Andrew.
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At that point, I would
never have realized
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what a scoop
I was about to uncover.
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I started looking into
his official places,
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like the New York
Consulate General of Britain.
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If he was working,
he'd always stay there.
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He wasn't staying with
the consul general.
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Ah, okay.
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And I thought, well,
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the next place to look
would be to Ghislaine Maxwell.
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His very good friend.
I thought, you know,
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she's got a beautiful townhouse
on the Upper East Side.
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So I tootled over
to Ghislaine's house.
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Eventually a town car arrived,
and she got into the car.
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So, we followed her.
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First to Tribeca,
where she went into a bar,
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and then she went
to a restaurant
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in the Meatpacking District.
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But no Prince Andrew.
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It was very clear
by 10 o'clock at night
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he wasn't going to turn up.
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So, I went back home,
you know, defrosted,
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and sat there thinking,
"Where else could he have gone?"
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And I suddenly thought,
"Oh, Jeffrey Epstein."
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He was Ghislaine's ex-boyfriend,
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but also a convicted
sex offender.
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-A judge sentenced
the billionaire
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to 18 months behind bars
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for paying underage girls
for sex,
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but his release comes early.
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-It seemed very unlikely
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he would want to stay
with someone like that,
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but at that point
I had nowhere else to look.
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So, on the following morning,
8:00 a.m.,
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I went to Jeffrey
Epstein's house.
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It's the biggest private
residence in New York.
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And I suddenly saw
lots of activity,
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men in suits talking
literally into their cufflinks.
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And there was clearly somebody
in Jeffrey Epstein's house
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who was important,
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and it could only
have been Prince Andrew.
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-I could not believe it,
'cause I was sitting at my desk
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and I get this phone call
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from the movie publicist,
Peggy Siegal.
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And she says, "Tina, Tina,
I want you to come
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to a fabulous dinner tonight.
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Jeffrey Epstein is hosting
a dinner for Prince Andrew,
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and Woody Allen
is gonna be there,
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and Charlie Rose
is gonna be there,
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and we just think it would be
wonderful if you could come."
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Peggy then went on to explain
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this was all about
"The King's Speech,"
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the movie that she
was helping to publicize.
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-It's the story
of King George VI
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and it's already
getting Oscar buzz.
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-She said this is
why they wanted
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to do this dinner for Andrew,
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which seemed like
a pretty lame excuse,
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as far as I was concerned,
because clearly it was
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another transactional
Jeffrey Epstein dinner.
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The deal was Andrew
would enhance Epstein's karma
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and his Rolodex.
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And I just was gobsmacked,
because in The Daily Beast,
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I had already run six exposés
about Jeffrey Epstein.
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She must have surely
seen these stories,
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and I said to her, you know,
"Peggy, what is this?
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The effing predator's ball?
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I don't want to go to dinner
with a pedophile."
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-Anyway, back in front
of Jeffrey Epstein's,
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the door was opening
and closing quite a lot.
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We were all watching pretty
young girls going in and out.
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I've now spent three days
trying to find Andrew.
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Finally, out came
Jeffrey Epstein
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and Prince Andrew.
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And it was like,
"Oh, my God."
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Jay, the photographer,
leapt out and followed them.
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And they walked straight
to Central Park.
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Jay got ahead of them,
he stood on a rock,
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and he looked down,
and there in the frame
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was Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein
in deep conversation.
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Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty
to sex offenses.
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He was a horrific abuser
of very young girls,
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and the second son of the Queen
is staying with him
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and has gone out
openly with him.
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Why would he be seen
with Jeffrey Epstein?
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What is Andrew doing?
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-So, let's start
at the beginning.
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-Looking at you.
-Alright. Oof. Sorry.
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-What is it
about the royal world
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that keeps you fascinated?
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-Well, you have the institution
of monarchy, but you also have
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a family with all the flaws
of any other family.
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-And how do you feel
about the Andrew story?
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-Phew. How long have you got?
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Andrew has always had
this sort of holier-than-thou,
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"I'm greater than
everybody else,
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the Queen is my mum" attitude.
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-Living at Buckingham Palace
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and having hundreds of staff
and everything done for you.
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Of course, he's gonna have
some kind of arrogance to that.
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I mean, that's
completely normal.
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Like, wouldn't anybody?
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-When you are the queen's son,
no one ever tells you the truth.
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So, he really grew up with
a completely inflated
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sense of his own self worth.
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-It's acquired situational
narcissism.
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And it means you may not have
been born a flaming narcissist,
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but you become one.
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And I think that's what
happened to Prince Andrew.
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-But then you have to
ask yourself,
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"Well, why wasn't
Prince Edward like that,
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or Prince Charles
or Princess Anne?
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Why Andrew?"
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And I suppose there's always
one runt of the litter,
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and Andrew was it.
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-Any 5-month-old baby
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with all this baggage
travels in royal style,
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and that's exactly the case with
Britain's little Prince Andrew.
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-Prince Andrew was born in 1960
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and he was just treasured.
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He was the beginning of what
the Queen and Prince Philip
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called their second family.
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The Queen's first child,
Prince Charles, was born in 1948
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and then Princess Anne
came along in 1950.
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And then, suddenly,
the Queen's father died in 1952,
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and young Princess Elizabeth
was propelled into this job
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that she really didn't think
was gonna happen to her
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for another 10 years.
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-I here present unto you
Queen Elizabeth,
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your undoubted Queen.
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For the next decade,
she was so busy being Queen
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that she really,
really had a difficult time
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spending much of that period
with her children.
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She saw them briefly
in the morning
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and briefly in the evening,
and otherwise,
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they were really left
in the care of nannies.
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But when Andrew was born,
she was determined
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to see more of this little boy
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than she had
her other two children.
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So, she would pencil in
when she was gonna see Andrew.
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And he would play under
her desk when she was working.
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During their spare time, the car
builders at Newport Pagnell
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have been busy
on a very special project --
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a scaled-down version
of the James Bond car
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for young Prince Andrew.
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-Andrew was treated, you know,
like a little king.
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He was very spoiled.
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But Prince Charles could not
have been more different.
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-Gordonstoun is where
Prince Charles will be
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in the next summer term,
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and be treated the same
as all the other 400 boys.
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-My husband was at Gordonstoun
with Prince Charles.
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Charles was very much a loner,
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and the boys there
picked on him.
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Gordonstoun was all about
teaching somebody to sail,
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to swim, to climb mountains,
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but Charles was rather clumsy
and didn't fit in there.
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But Andrew fit in
perfectly there.
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-He particularly enjoyed
the emphasis there
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on outdoor sports.
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-Prince Andrew was
one of the lads.
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He was very mischievous,
and of course,
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Prince Philip loved this boy,
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who was everything that perhaps
Charles hadn't been.
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So he had even more attention
lavished on him.
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Being second in line to
the throne was very important,
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because Prince Charles
was the heir
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and Andrew was the backup.
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And, you know, he enjoyed
his mini kingship
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for many years before
the fact dawned on him
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that actually
he was just number two.
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-My Lords and members
of the House of Commons,
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-It's obvious that
Prince Charles
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has always had a future
as the future king.
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So, you have an older brother
who's got a job
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and everybody is, you know,
lining up for him.
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But Prince Andrew's just
kind of sitting there.
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-Andrew's life was to be
one of descending importance,
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because the heir had a son,
William, who then gave birth
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to three children,
and down, down, down, he went.
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And that has been his life,
all his life.
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-So, we had this very needy
Prince Andrew,
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who was looking
to feel important,
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and then we had the enabler.
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-In some ways, there was
something really inevitable
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about the downfall of Andrew,
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as soon as he came into
the orbit of Jeffrey Epstein.
247
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I mean, that was the path
of no return for Andrew.
248
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-Your friendship
with Jeffrey Epstein.
-Mm.
249
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-How did you
first become friends?
250
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How did you meet?
251
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-Well, I met through his
girlfriend back in 1999, who...
252
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And I'd known her since she was
at university in the UK.
253
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-You said you weren't
very good friends,
254
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but would you describe him
as a good friend?
255
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Did you trust him?
256
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-Yes, I think I probably did,
but again, um...
257
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I mean...
258
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I don't go into a friendship
looking for the wrong thing.
259
00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:33,498
-At the heart of the story
is this bizarre,
260
00:14:33,540 --> 00:14:37,252
dysfunctional triangle
between three people.
261
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Epstein had the money
but no social skills,
262
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Prince Andrew had the status
that opened any door,
263
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and Ghislaine was the glue.
264
00:14:52,684 --> 00:14:54,561
-Ghislaine is really known
in Britain
265
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as the daughter of
media magnate Robert Maxwell.
266
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-When I first came to the UK
from New York, I met Ghislaine,
267
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and she and I
immediately clicked
268
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because we were both outsiders.
269
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She was part of a smart group
of people
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who were so different
than those in the royal circles.
271
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But she was adopted
very quickly,
272
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as, you know, children
of billionaires tend to be.
273
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-She was very bright,
everybody says very good fun.
274
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And at some point,
she met Prince Andrew.
275
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He was rich, he was entitled,
and Ghislaine was very similar.
276
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And so they were
a firm friendship.
277
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-Prince Andrew was dazzled
by Ghislaine.
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You know, here's this
wispy, smart, rich woman.
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Plus, she was fun...
280
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and highly sexed.
281
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-I started to investigate
Ghislaine
282
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and looking into if she was
going out with Prince Andrew.
283
00:15:56,915 --> 00:15:59,501
He obviously trusted her,
and Ghislaine quickly became
284
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a regular visitor
to Buckingham Palace.
285
00:16:05,715 --> 00:16:08,385
-I was a police officer
with the Metropolitan Police,
286
00:16:08,426 --> 00:16:10,553
and I was based with
the Royal Protection Command
287
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for six years.
288
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My main role was to provide
'round-the-clock
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armed protection for the Queen,
Prince Philip,
290
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and Prince Andrew
whilst in residence.
291
00:16:20,021 --> 00:16:21,564
If you look at the front
of the palace,
292
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you'll see the policemen
always on the gate.
293
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That's where guests to see
royal family would go to.
294
00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:30,865
But whenever Ghislaine
would enter the palace,
295
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the routine was
we used to wave her through --
296
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no ID, no nothing.
297
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Straight into the quad to Prince
Andrew's private apartments.
298
00:16:37,789 --> 00:16:41,710
She would come in and out
as often as she wanted.
299
00:16:41,751 --> 00:16:43,795
And she was in and out
all the time.
300
00:16:43,837 --> 00:16:47,424
-Which is an incredible breach
of security.
301
00:16:47,465 --> 00:16:51,011
At one point,
she took in Kevin Spacey,
302
00:16:51,052 --> 00:16:52,554
and the two of them
sat on thrones
303
00:16:52,595 --> 00:16:55,473
and had their pictures taken.
304
00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,225
-No one else had that access,
305
00:16:57,267 --> 00:16:58,893
apart from members
of the royal family.
306
00:16:58,935 --> 00:17:01,521
Myself and my colleagues
were under the perception
307
00:17:01,563 --> 00:17:03,440
that Prince Andrew
and Ghislaine Maxwell
308
00:17:03,481 --> 00:17:07,193
were in an intimate
relationship.
309
00:17:07,235 --> 00:17:09,112
If the Queen knew
Robert Maxwell's daughter
310
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was being entertained
by Prince Andrew in the palace,
311
00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:13,366
she definitely
wouldn't like that,
312
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or so we -- so we thought.
313
00:17:15,452 --> 00:17:19,456
-I think Prince Andrew felt
Ghislaine's pain and humiliation
314
00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:21,374
probably closer
than most people,
315
00:17:21,416 --> 00:17:23,960
because it all fell apart
for her,
316
00:17:24,002 --> 00:17:27,630
and very very publicly.
317
00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:30,759
-Robert Maxwell
is missing at sea,
318
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,678
feared lost overboard
from his motor yacht.
319
00:17:36,473 --> 00:17:39,642
-Ghislaine had to deal
with her father's death.
320
00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:43,772
But there was a lot more.
321
00:17:43,813 --> 00:17:45,648
-Police are investigating
reports
322
00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:48,276
that Maxwell took
almost $2 billion
323
00:17:48,318 --> 00:17:50,737
from his public companies
in the weeks before
324
00:17:50,779 --> 00:17:53,448
he plunged to his death
from his yacht.
325
00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:56,659
-The headlines were
"Maxwell is a crook."
326
00:17:58,703 --> 00:18:00,872
And so overnight,
Ghislaine went from being
327
00:18:00,914 --> 00:18:04,417
on everybody's, you know,
top invitation list
328
00:18:04,459 --> 00:18:08,171
to suddenly just everyone
blanking her.
329
00:18:11,091 --> 00:18:14,302
For Ghislaine, there was only
one way out of this,
330
00:18:14,344 --> 00:18:17,681
and that was crossing
the ocean to New York.
331
00:18:21,893 --> 00:18:24,646
-She was, like, rehabilitating
herself in New York
332
00:18:24,688 --> 00:18:27,524
after the disgrace
of her father in Britain.
333
00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,987
As long ago as 2000,
I had a tip
334
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:39,077
that Prince Andrew was having
lunch with Ghislaine Maxwell.
335
00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,620
Ghislaine
had taken him to a place
336
00:18:40,662 --> 00:18:43,081
called Nello's
on the Upper East Side,
337
00:18:43,123 --> 00:18:46,584
which was the one and only
celebrity restaurant
338
00:18:46,626 --> 00:18:49,254
that had paparazzi photographers
sitting outside.
339
00:18:51,006 --> 00:18:53,842
Ghislaine clearly wanted
to be seen with Andrew.
340
00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,678
It gave her street cred.
341
00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,764
Andrew started going to New York
on a more regular basis,
342
00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:02,517
and Ghislaine was always
his touch point.
343
00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,602
-When he was with Ghislaine
in Manhattan,
344
00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:06,813
he felt he was
the center of attention.
345
00:19:06,855 --> 00:19:10,066
-Ghislaine would invite him
to these amazing parties,
346
00:19:10,108 --> 00:19:13,695
like Heidi Klum's
Halloween party.
347
00:19:13,737 --> 00:19:16,448
-And I don't think Prince Andrew
had ever met people like this
348
00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:18,199
in his royal world.
349
00:19:18,241 --> 00:19:21,036
They just had a blast.
350
00:19:21,077 --> 00:19:24,330
And there was genuine
affection between them.
351
00:19:29,044 --> 00:19:31,755
-As I started to investigate
Ghislaine in New York,
352
00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:34,883
the name Jeffrey Epstein
kept popping up.
353
00:19:34,924 --> 00:19:37,218
Everything went back
to Jeffrey Epstein,
354
00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:40,805
who was this mysterious
sort of Jay Gatsby character.
355
00:19:44,809 --> 00:19:47,896
-Epstein's reputation
in New York was basically,
356
00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:49,606
"Who's Epstein?"
357
00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:52,233
You know, my husband
is a banker.
358
00:19:52,275 --> 00:19:56,404
When I would talk to bankers,
no one had heard of him.
359
00:19:56,446 --> 00:19:58,531
-Ghislaine's role for Epstein
360
00:19:58,573 --> 00:20:01,993
was to be the bridge
to this big-time social world.
361
00:20:02,035 --> 00:20:04,079
And as far as Ghislaine
was concerned,
362
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,373
one of her biggest kind of
big, white whales
363
00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:08,875
that she landed for Epstein
was Andrew.
364
00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:12,796
-Jeffrey Epstein became known
365
00:20:12,837 --> 00:20:16,257
as a collector of important
influential people,
366
00:20:16,299 --> 00:20:17,801
the crème de la crème.
367
00:20:17,842 --> 00:20:20,762
At the top of that list
was Prince Andrew.
368
00:20:20,804 --> 00:20:22,972
-Americans go crazy for a title
369
00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:25,058
'cause they still don't
really understand it.
370
00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:27,727
It's something that they don't
have, so they want it.
371
00:20:27,769 --> 00:20:31,022
And you got, you know,
the prince of England --
372
00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,941
they go crazy for that.
373
00:20:32,982 --> 00:20:36,569
-That relationship was
very valuable for Epstein.
374
00:20:36,611 --> 00:20:39,406
But it wasn't so much
about money.
375
00:20:39,447 --> 00:20:42,450
The royal connection
was really about status.
376
00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:46,996
-It's quite astonishing
when you see how many places
377
00:20:47,038 --> 00:20:50,500
Jeffrey Epstein got into,
courtesy of Prince Andrew.
378
00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:57,549
-He got to go to the Queen's
private home,
379
00:20:57,590 --> 00:21:00,760
Sandringham,
to go shooting.
380
00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:07,392
He went with Ghislaine
and Prince Andrew to Balmoral.
381
00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:09,978
He went to a ball
at Windsor Castle.
382
00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:12,147
I mean, these were
prime invitations.
383
00:21:12,188 --> 00:21:15,150
That definitely upped his ante
and his social profile,
384
00:21:15,191 --> 00:21:17,736
so he got a lot out of it.
385
00:21:17,777 --> 00:21:20,030
-Prince Andrew was not,
you know, naive either.
386
00:21:20,071 --> 00:21:22,907
He said, you know, "This
is the guy that's gonna
make it happen for me.
387
00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:26,828
He found the people that
he thought he should be with,
388
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:30,999
that were gonna change
his life, and that loved him.
389
00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:32,751
-When he was with Epstein,
390
00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:34,502
he felt he was
the center of attention.
391
00:21:34,544 --> 00:21:37,213
He felt that he was part
of the big time, at last,
392
00:21:37,255 --> 00:21:41,509
which he never felt
when he was in England.
393
00:21:41,551 --> 00:21:43,970
it's sad when you see
the pathetic figure
394
00:21:44,012 --> 00:21:45,096
that we see today.
395
00:21:45,138 --> 00:21:47,891
There was a moment
of promise with him.
396
00:21:56,733 --> 00:21:59,694
-Argentina today invaded
and seized the Falkland Islands,
397
00:21:59,736 --> 00:22:04,240
which had been under British
rule for nearly 150 years.
398
00:22:04,282 --> 00:22:07,702
-Have you a thought about
the Falkland Islanders?
399
00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:10,705
-Ah, there's my helicopter
flying over at the moment.
400
00:22:10,747 --> 00:22:14,584
I think its almost time
I should go.
401
00:22:14,626 --> 00:22:16,127
-There is a long tradition
of princes
402
00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:18,713
putting themselves in
harm's way on the battlefield.
403
00:22:18,755 --> 00:22:20,090
Most recently, of course,
Prince Andrew,
404
00:22:20,131 --> 00:22:23,134
flying highly dangerous
helicopter missions.
405
00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:31,810
-Prince Andrew was age 21
when he joined my squadron.
406
00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:33,812
The fact he was a member
of the royal family
407
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:35,397
really cut no ice whatsoever.
408
00:22:35,438 --> 00:22:38,149
He was there as a pilot.
409
00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:41,986
The role of the squadron
was to protect our ships
410
00:22:42,028 --> 00:22:46,574
from missile and aircraft attack
as well as submarine attack.
411
00:22:46,616 --> 00:22:50,286
It was a high-risk thing
for him to have to do,
412
00:22:50,328 --> 00:22:52,497
and he rose to the occasion.
413
00:22:52,539 --> 00:22:56,459
-I've been shocked at the way
that the ships were taken out.
414
00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:59,754
It is a really nasty,
burning wreck.
415
00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:01,881
I mean, it was quite horrific.
416
00:23:04,134 --> 00:23:08,013
-At that point,
he's now "action" Prince Andy.
417
00:23:08,054 --> 00:23:09,347
He's under fire.
418
00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:12,100
He's genuinely out there
fighting in the Falklands.
419
00:23:12,142 --> 00:23:15,562
-He certainly acquitted
himself very, very well.
420
00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:17,147
His best moments
were in the navy,
421
00:23:17,188 --> 00:23:19,065
because there,
he had some structure
422
00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:22,444
and he had some purpose,
and he wasn't a bad officer.
423
00:23:22,485 --> 00:23:25,155
-Our family is used to service,
424
00:23:25,196 --> 00:23:30,577
so there wasn't that much of
a reaction, in the sense that,
425
00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:34,873
"Well, off you go.
That's your job, go."
426
00:23:41,171 --> 00:23:43,465
-The day we returned
to Portsmouth,
427
00:23:43,506 --> 00:23:45,008
the nation turned out.
428
00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:48,011
The seafront was lined
with people.
429
00:23:52,015 --> 00:23:55,143
-When Prince Andrew came back
from the Falklands,
430
00:23:55,185 --> 00:23:57,312
he was a war hero.
431
00:23:57,354 --> 00:24:00,982
He was called the one
with the Robert Redford looks.
432
00:24:01,024 --> 00:24:06,029
And that was probably
the height of his popularity.
433
00:24:07,614 --> 00:24:10,116
People just loved Prince Andrew.
434
00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:13,620
He was the most eligible
bachelor in the country.
435
00:24:13,661 --> 00:24:15,747
-Would you accept an invitation
from the Prince?
436
00:24:15,789 --> 00:24:17,832
-Phwoar, would I!
Yeah.
437
00:24:17,874 --> 00:24:20,919
-He had the reputation
of being a ladies' man.
438
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,922
But it's gotten him in trouble
ever since.
439
00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:33,807
-The organizers of the sports
display haven't forgotten
440
00:24:33,848 --> 00:24:36,351
the Prince's reputation
with the girls.
441
00:24:36,393 --> 00:24:39,020
"Randy Andy" has a practiced eye
for the ladies,
442
00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:43,024
and his romantic adventures
have been well publicized.
443
00:24:55,328 --> 00:24:58,623
-Prince Andrew was known
as the Playboy Prince.
444
00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:01,251
He was a very good-looking guy.
445
00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:04,129
Women were literally
falling at his feet.
446
00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:09,009
He always had, you know, lovely,
exciting girlfriends.
447
00:25:09,050 --> 00:25:11,678
-There was Carolyn Herbert,
the Di lookalike;
448
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,888
Broadway star Finola Hughes;
449
00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:16,141
Carolyn Seaward,
a former beauty queen;
450
00:25:16,182 --> 00:25:18,143
model Katie Rabbett.
451
00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:21,855
The list, constantly updated
by a watchful British press,
452
00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:23,690
goes on and on.
453
00:25:27,277 --> 00:25:29,696
-And then he met
a lovely, beautiful
454
00:25:29,738 --> 00:25:32,407
American actress,
Koo Stark.
455
00:25:32,449 --> 00:25:34,909
Of course, you know,
everybody then starts saying,
456
00:25:34,951 --> 00:25:38,204
"Well, who exactly
is Koo Stark?"
457
00:25:38,246 --> 00:25:41,082
-Prince Andrew is off
on a Caribbean vacation.
458
00:25:41,124 --> 00:25:43,877
He certainly deserves that
after the war in the Falklands,
459
00:25:43,918 --> 00:25:45,754
but it is who he is with
460
00:25:45,795 --> 00:25:48,423
that has made headlines.
461
00:25:48,465 --> 00:25:49,883
-It turned out, as an actress,
462
00:25:49,924 --> 00:25:51,926
she'd appeared
in an art house movie
463
00:25:51,968 --> 00:25:53,762
where there were sex scenes.
464
00:25:53,803 --> 00:25:55,972
-I want you to make love to me.
465
00:25:57,766 --> 00:25:59,768
-This suddenly
became unacceptable
466
00:25:59,809 --> 00:26:02,270
to the British public.
467
00:26:02,312 --> 00:26:07,275
The thought was she wasn't
suitable marriage material.
468
00:26:07,317 --> 00:26:10,111
-Ms. Stark, are you here
on vacation?
469
00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:11,738
-Can we please talk to you
for a minute?
470
00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:13,782
I know this is difficult.
471
00:26:13,823 --> 00:26:15,867
-Just for a minute.
472
00:26:17,786 --> 00:26:19,871
-British tabloids are brutal
in their quest
473
00:26:19,913 --> 00:26:21,414
for new narratives
all the time.
474
00:26:21,456 --> 00:26:23,124
I mean, they build you up
and they crush you.
475
00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:26,461
And we saw this
with Meghan Markle and Harry.
476
00:26:26,503 --> 00:26:30,965
-I'm sure that Koo Stark
was Andrew's first true love,
477
00:26:31,007 --> 00:26:33,259
and I think it was mutual.
478
00:26:33,301 --> 00:26:36,137
-Prince Andrew, I think,
wanted to marry Koo Stark.
479
00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:38,890
She clearly made him
very happy.
480
00:26:38,932 --> 00:26:41,976
-But it was bringing the family
into disrepute.
481
00:26:42,018 --> 00:26:45,313
Whatever was hanging
on Prince Andrew
482
00:26:45,355 --> 00:26:47,816
was bouncing off
on the rest of the family
483
00:26:47,857 --> 00:26:51,236
and had the potential
to damage the institution.
484
00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:53,988
-Andrew came under
tremendous pressure
485
00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:56,074
in the court
of public opinion,
486
00:26:56,116 --> 00:26:58,368
and perhaps as well
from his own family,
487
00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:01,996
that, no, he could not
marry Koo Stark.
488
00:27:02,038 --> 00:27:05,041
You know, he needs to find
an English rose, a British girl.
489
00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:06,626
-Koo, this way.
-Koo!
490
00:27:06,668 --> 00:27:10,839
-So, ultimately, they split up.
491
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,591
The pressure was too great.
492
00:27:13,633 --> 00:27:16,011
-Good morning.
-Morning, Sarah.
493
00:27:16,052 --> 00:27:18,930
-And then came Fergie,
as she's become known.
494
00:27:18,972 --> 00:27:23,059
-Sarah Ferguson, age 26,
upbringing impeccable,
495
00:27:23,101 --> 00:27:25,478
social connections excellent.
496
00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:31,067
-Sarah's a close friend
of the Princess of Wales.
497
00:27:31,109 --> 00:27:32,777
The two were frequently
seen together,
498
00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:36,031
but at that time the cameramen
weren't paying so much attention
499
00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:39,659
to Diana's red-headed
companion.
500
00:27:39,701 --> 00:27:41,995
-In contrast to Koo Stark,
501
00:27:42,037 --> 00:27:43,872
Fergie actually knew
a little bit more
502
00:27:43,913 --> 00:27:47,334
about the workings
of the royal family.
503
00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:50,962
Her father was
Prince Charles' polo manager,
504
00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:53,757
and in fact Fergie had already
met Prince Andrew
505
00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:56,176
when they were kids together.
506
00:27:56,217 --> 00:28:00,388
-The first time that I can
remember was on the polo ground,
507
00:28:00,430 --> 00:28:04,017
the usual place
where everybody meets.
508
00:28:04,059 --> 00:28:06,019
-Could I ask you
if you could tell us
509
00:28:06,061 --> 00:28:08,480
what you like about each other?
510
00:28:08,521 --> 00:28:10,065
-Oh.
-Wit.
511
00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:12,108
Charm.
-Yes, probably.
512
00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:14,402
-Yes.
-Mm-hmm. And the red hair.
513
00:28:14,444 --> 00:28:15,904
-And the good looks.
514
00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:20,116
Sorry.
515
00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:24,371
-Buckingham Palace rang
to the happy cries
516
00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:25,580
of photographers today
517
00:28:25,622 --> 00:28:27,791
with the universally
expected announcement
518
00:28:27,832 --> 00:28:29,793
of their engagement.
519
00:28:31,419 --> 00:28:36,007
-Andrew and Sarah Ferguson
were a fantastic couple.
520
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:39,177
She was bright,
beautiful, gung-ho,
521
00:28:39,219 --> 00:28:41,096
would do anything for a laugh.
522
00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:42,972
Ow don't squeeze my fingers.
523
00:28:43,014 --> 00:28:44,265
Ow!
-Kiss me, then.
524
00:28:44,307 --> 00:28:46,309
-When Fergie came
into the picture,
525
00:28:46,351 --> 00:28:48,895
Prince Andrew thought
he was more than a royal.
526
00:28:48,937 --> 00:28:51,648
I think he thought
he was a celebrity.
527
00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:53,233
-You're a monster.
528
00:28:53,274 --> 00:28:55,985
-He just loved every bit
of attention he got.
529
00:28:56,027 --> 00:28:59,030
-Oh, God!
Don't fall over top of the wall!
530
00:29:00,824 --> 00:29:04,536
-The British royal family is the
world's longest running show,
531
00:29:04,577 --> 00:29:08,790
and what's happening now is the
introduction of a new character.
532
00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:13,962
-The interest in Andy and
Fergie's wedding was immense.
533
00:29:14,004 --> 00:29:17,132
-It's the true air
of expectation here this morning
534
00:29:17,173 --> 00:29:21,970
because these people have been
waiting all night long.
535
00:29:22,012 --> 00:29:23,972
I'm being swept forward
with the crowd.
536
00:29:24,014 --> 00:29:25,348
In fact, I don't think
537
00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:27,142
I could get away from them
if I wanted to.
538
00:29:28,685 --> 00:29:33,481
-The public has always been
fascinated by celebrity.
539
00:29:33,523 --> 00:29:36,651
And the highest celebrity you
can get is the Queen's family.
540
00:29:41,865 --> 00:29:46,119
They were this talisman
of the new modern royal family.
541
00:29:46,161 --> 00:29:49,956
A couple who genuinely delighted
in each other.
542
00:29:49,998 --> 00:29:51,666
So, everybody thought, "Wow."
543
00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:54,419
If something had ever happened
to Prince Charles,
544
00:29:54,461 --> 00:29:57,380
it would be Andrew
that would be our future king.
545
00:29:57,422 --> 00:30:00,008
-There was a sense that
the dashing second son
546
00:30:00,050 --> 00:30:02,552
had married
this joyful redhead
547
00:30:02,594 --> 00:30:04,262
and everything was upbeat.
548
00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:08,308
But, of course,
very fast it collapsed.
549
00:30:15,357 --> 00:30:17,317
-What have you learned
so things can be better
550
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,027
for the tourists this year?
551
00:30:19,069 --> 00:30:20,570
-We got a terrific range
of merchandise.
552
00:30:20,612 --> 00:30:22,155
It's so good.
Look at this tie.
553
00:30:22,197 --> 00:30:25,575
Now, that is part of
this year's merchandise.
554
00:30:25,617 --> 00:30:30,080
-When I joined Buckingham
Palace in 1988, my job was
555
00:30:30,121 --> 00:30:32,582
as one of the Queen's
press secretaries.
556
00:30:32,624 --> 00:30:35,502
In those days,
the media was sort of trumpeting
557
00:30:35,543 --> 00:30:39,506
the arrival of Fergie and Andrew
as a breath of fresh air.
558
00:30:39,547 --> 00:30:40,757
-Fergie!
559
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,468
-But I hate that phrase,
"breath of fresh air,"
560
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:45,387
because it didn't take long
for that air
561
00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:48,139
to turn very, very stale.
562
00:30:49,516 --> 00:30:51,935
They couldn't maintain
an air of decorum.
563
00:30:51,976 --> 00:30:55,188
-Prince Andrew and Fergie
were sort of early adopters
564
00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:58,024
of leveraging titles
for all sorts of deals.
565
00:31:00,735 --> 00:31:02,987
-There was that story
we broke in The Sun.
566
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:05,198
When they had
their second child,
567
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,742
they posed up
for Hello Magazine.
568
00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:14,040
And the rumor was that
they'd been paid £250,000 for.
569
00:31:14,082 --> 00:31:18,044
And in those days that was seen
as an extremely un-royal,
570
00:31:18,086 --> 00:31:19,671
exploitative thing to do.
571
00:31:19,713 --> 00:31:20,964
-They were a brand.
572
00:31:21,006 --> 00:31:22,716
You know, today we hear
about this all the time,
573
00:31:22,757 --> 00:31:24,467
everybody's a brand,
but not in those days.
574
00:31:24,509 --> 00:31:26,636
And I think, you know,
the two of them sat down
575
00:31:26,678 --> 00:31:30,724
and said, you know, "We should
monetize ourselves."
576
00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:33,309
-They were thought to be
cheapening the monarchy.
577
00:31:33,351 --> 00:31:35,562
I think that was
a major turning point
578
00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:38,898
It seemed to sort of go downhill
from there, actually.
579
00:31:40,817 --> 00:31:44,446
-Her Royal Highness,
the fair Duchess of York.
580
00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:49,576
I think Fergie thought it would
be champagne all the way,
581
00:31:49,617 --> 00:31:52,996
it's gonna be fun, fun, fun.
582
00:31:53,038 --> 00:31:54,789
But it wasn't fun.
583
00:31:56,541 --> 00:32:00,670
Fergie was thrust into the royal
world without Prince Andrew
584
00:32:00,712 --> 00:32:03,548
because he was still
in the navy.
585
00:32:05,425 --> 00:32:07,218
-She was very unhappy
very quickly,
586
00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:10,263
because she really saw
Andrew never.
587
00:32:10,305 --> 00:32:12,474
I think she saw him
for something like 40 days
588
00:32:12,515 --> 00:32:14,392
in the first year
of her marriage.
589
00:32:14,434 --> 00:32:16,186
-He's doing the H...
590
00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:19,189
or helicopter...
something instructor school.
591
00:32:20,815 --> 00:32:23,568
-And here she was,
this young bride,
592
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:26,154
stuck in this gloomy marriage.
593
00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:28,740
She was miserable and forlorn
594
00:32:28,782 --> 00:32:31,785
and quickly started
sort of acting out.
595
00:32:34,746 --> 00:32:37,374
-Tabloid newspapers published
pictures today
596
00:32:37,415 --> 00:32:40,085
of a topless Fergie
sunbathing in Saint-Tropez
597
00:32:40,126 --> 00:32:41,628
with her financial adviser.
598
00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:44,506
-One picture showed him
kissing the Duchess' foot.
599
00:32:44,547 --> 00:32:47,676
Several featured the pair
in intimate embrace.
600
00:32:50,762 --> 00:32:55,058
-The pictures of Fergie
went 'round the world.
601
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,310
The public was shocked.
602
00:32:57,352 --> 00:33:00,939
Anybody who cared
about the royals was shocked.
603
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:04,359
And the royal family
were totally disgusted.
604
00:33:06,695 --> 00:33:11,574
-The reaction was
one of absolute horror.
605
00:33:11,616 --> 00:33:13,618
-Buckingham Palace
issued a statement
606
00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:15,745
strongly disapproving
of the photographs
607
00:33:15,787 --> 00:33:18,415
and the circumstance
in which they were taken.
608
00:33:18,456 --> 00:33:20,000
-Once those pictures
had come out,
609
00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:24,796
Prince Philip refused to even be
in the same room as Sarah,
610
00:33:24,838 --> 00:33:27,757
and Andrew was very weak
when it came to his father.
611
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,677
Because he has
no agency of his own,
612
00:33:30,719 --> 00:33:35,015
essentially he allowed Fergie
to be sort of banished.
613
00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:37,475
-The Duke of York,
who suffered the humiliation
614
00:33:37,517 --> 00:33:38,852
of pictures
of his half-naked wife
615
00:33:38,893 --> 00:33:40,562
being published
throughout the world,
616
00:33:40,603 --> 00:33:42,522
looked calm today
as he was driven to church
617
00:33:42,564 --> 00:33:44,190
in the front seat
of the Queen's car,
618
00:33:44,232 --> 00:33:48,236
as the marriage of her second
son falls so publicly apart.
619
00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:53,908
That was 1992,
the Queen's annus horribilis.
620
00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:56,411
One of those years when
anything that could go wrong,
621
00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:58,163
did go wrong,
622
00:34:00,957 --> 00:34:03,543
-It's clear that
what we're witnessing here
623
00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:05,962
is a national tragedy.
624
00:34:06,004 --> 00:34:10,592
The fight to save one of the
nation's best-loved buildings.
625
00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,802
-Buckingham Palace made it
official today --
626
00:34:12,844 --> 00:34:16,222
the Prince and Princess of Wales
are to separate.
627
00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:17,891
-The sad end to a partnership
628
00:34:17,932 --> 00:34:21,978
and the start of a potentially
damaging era for the monarchy.
629
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:28,068
-1992 is not a year
on which I shall look back
630
00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:29,903
with undiluted pleasure.
631
00:34:29,944 --> 00:34:34,741
It has turned out to be
an annus horribilis.
632
00:34:34,783 --> 00:34:37,702
-It was at that time
it was decided
633
00:34:37,744 --> 00:34:40,997
that Fergie and Andrew
should split.
634
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:44,000
So, the queen did nip it
in the bud pretty quickly
635
00:34:44,042 --> 00:34:48,797
because it's about protecting
the backsides of her children.
636
00:34:50,965 --> 00:34:53,593
-If you look at
Prince Andrew's choices in life,
637
00:34:53,635 --> 00:34:57,263
you get an idea
of what kind of person he is.
638
00:34:57,305 --> 00:34:59,933
-The prince was touring
a housing project yesterday,
639
00:34:59,974 --> 00:35:03,061
when he picked up a paint gun
and pulled the trigger.
640
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,774
-The prince went to
a novelty restaurant
641
00:35:07,816 --> 00:35:10,527
where mock spankings
are giving by waitresses
642
00:35:10,568 --> 00:35:12,779
dressed in schoolgirl skirts.
643
00:35:12,821 --> 00:35:14,572
-A British paper
revealed the Prince
644
00:35:14,614 --> 00:35:17,283
as few have seen him before.
645
00:35:17,325 --> 00:35:23,289
-Prince Andrew was so different
than Prince Charles.
646
00:35:23,331 --> 00:35:27,293
The reputation Prince Charles
has is as a statesman.
647
00:35:32,674 --> 00:35:35,051
-Prince Charles is serious.
648
00:35:35,093 --> 00:35:36,720
-Ladies and gentlemen...
649
00:35:36,761 --> 00:35:40,682
-You know, he is genuinely
committed to the monarchy.
650
00:35:40,724 --> 00:35:42,726
-To many of us in the West...
651
00:35:42,767 --> 00:35:45,645
-There is something
quite studious about him.
652
00:35:45,687 --> 00:35:49,441
And the same cannot be said
for Prince Andrew.
653
00:35:56,114 --> 00:35:58,950
-Andrew and Charles
have never really been close,
654
00:35:58,992 --> 00:36:01,369
because there's
an over-10-year age gap.
655
00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:02,912
So, Andrew always grew up
knowing
656
00:36:02,954 --> 00:36:04,831
that Charles was obviously
the heir to the throne
657
00:36:04,873 --> 00:36:07,667
and he wasn't, but Andrew
had the edge over Charles,
658
00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,836
because Andrew's always known
659
00:36:09,878 --> 00:36:12,964
that he had the Queen's
intense affection --
660
00:36:13,006 --> 00:36:16,384
that, actually,
he is her favorite.
661
00:36:16,426 --> 00:36:18,470
That's given him
a lot of leverage.
662
00:36:18,511 --> 00:36:20,805
We saw this with Fergie.
663
00:36:23,308 --> 00:36:24,809
-London's Somerset House.
664
00:36:24,851 --> 00:36:26,853
Here, the divorce court
in which the Yorks' marriage
665
00:36:26,895 --> 00:36:28,563
was this morning
effectively ended.
666
00:36:28,605 --> 00:36:31,524
On the railings outside,
theirs the last of 29
667
00:36:31,566 --> 00:36:33,068
quickie divorce cases listed,
668
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:37,030
for HRH The Duke of York
and HRH The Duchess of York.
669
00:36:37,072 --> 00:36:39,616
-The collapse of the marriage
to Sarah Ferguson
670
00:36:39,657 --> 00:36:41,284
was a disaster,
671
00:36:41,326 --> 00:36:43,370
in terms of both
their reputations.
672
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,291
-But Andrew has always really
stayed in love with Fergie.
673
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:51,169
-They still live together,
very near to the Queen.
674
00:36:51,211 --> 00:36:53,922
-And they moved in very,
very wealthy circles,
675
00:36:53,963 --> 00:36:57,676
and they wanted to be
like those friends.
676
00:37:01,471 --> 00:37:03,682
-If global elitism
has a capital,
677
00:37:03,723 --> 00:37:08,019
it is surely here in Davos.
678
00:37:08,061 --> 00:37:11,564
-So, here's the thing
about royals.
679
00:37:11,606 --> 00:37:15,026
When we see Prince Andrew
in private jets,
680
00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:17,779
rubbing elbows
with billionaires,
681
00:37:17,821 --> 00:37:20,907
doing rich and luxurious things,
682
00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:24,244
our assumption is that, you
know, he has to be very rich,
683
00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:25,578
he has to be a billionaire.
684
00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:27,789
But he isn't.
685
00:37:30,458 --> 00:37:31,751
If you're a royal,
686
00:37:31,793 --> 00:37:34,879
unless you're the Queen
or Prince Charles,
687
00:37:34,921 --> 00:37:37,048
you're just not that rich.
688
00:37:38,842 --> 00:37:42,137
-The Queen has her own
private wealth,
689
00:37:42,178 --> 00:37:47,142
which at Forbes
we estimated at $500 million.
690
00:37:47,183 --> 00:37:49,227
She doesn't own
Buckingham Palace,
691
00:37:49,269 --> 00:37:54,232
but she owns two castles,
worth over $200 million.
692
00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:59,279
Her private income is about
$30 million a year.
693
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,655
As the heir to the throne,
694
00:38:00,697 --> 00:38:02,824
Prince Charles
has this massive estate
695
00:38:02,866 --> 00:38:05,785
that he has inherited and
the private income from that,
696
00:38:05,827 --> 00:38:09,122
which is also
about $30 million a year.
697
00:38:09,164 --> 00:38:14,878
But the Queen's other children,
obviously, were not as lucky.
698
00:38:14,919 --> 00:38:17,714
Their income is really
contingent upon the work
699
00:38:17,756 --> 00:38:19,966
that they do as royals...
700
00:38:20,008 --> 00:38:21,968
-How are you?
701
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:24,929
-...and also whether
their mother wants
702
00:38:24,971 --> 00:38:28,141
to, you know, give them
any pocket money.
703
00:38:28,183 --> 00:38:32,812
So, you would ask,
what happens to Prince Andrew?
704
00:38:32,854 --> 00:38:38,151
As a working Royal,
he made roughly $350,000 a year,
705
00:38:38,193 --> 00:38:40,779
which would pay for
a lot of things if you're me.
706
00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:42,655
But if you're Prince Andrew,
707
00:38:42,697 --> 00:38:44,949
living a certain type
of lifestyle,
708
00:38:44,991 --> 00:38:47,869
it's not actually
a lot of money.
709
00:38:47,911 --> 00:38:51,664
Other royals don't live
that flashy lifestyle.
710
00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:53,541
You know, we see them
in the news every day.
711
00:38:53,583 --> 00:38:56,169
But it's their royal duties.
That's what they're doing.
712
00:38:56,211 --> 00:38:59,005
You know, you're not gonna see
them on a private yacht.
713
00:38:59,047 --> 00:39:03,218
But Andrew belongs to
a different group of people.
714
00:39:03,259 --> 00:39:08,807
An opulent, luxurious,
fancy lifestyle is not something
715
00:39:08,848 --> 00:39:11,976
you can buy out
of your own pocket.
716
00:39:12,018 --> 00:39:15,355
So you're dependent financially
on your mother.
717
00:39:20,694 --> 00:39:22,362
-This is where
you have apartments
718
00:39:22,404 --> 00:39:24,447
when you spend time in London?
719
00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:25,990
-still has these,
720
00:39:26,032 --> 00:39:28,868
and I have what was
the Prince of Wales' apartment.
721
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:31,246
But they're not very big --
they're only about
722
00:39:31,287 --> 00:39:33,540
three or four rooms thick.
723
00:39:33,581 --> 00:39:35,041
-I went to see
Prince Andrew once
724
00:39:35,083 --> 00:39:36,918
when he was living
in Buckingham Palace,
725
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,213
and I was sort of struck
by what a dingy scene it was,
726
00:39:40,255 --> 00:39:41,381
quite honestly.
727
00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:44,134
-And that is now
Prince Edward's apartment.
728
00:39:44,175 --> 00:39:46,678
-It was as if he was living
in a second-rate hotel.
729
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,138
You sort of suddenly saw
730
00:39:48,179 --> 00:39:51,391
just how he has to ask
his mother for everything.
731
00:39:51,433 --> 00:39:53,393
He's completely infantilized.
732
00:39:53,435 --> 00:39:54,978
-Prince Andrew's a brat.
733
00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:59,232
In fact, there was a story about
how he lines up his teddies
734
00:39:59,274 --> 00:40:02,569
on his bed every night.
735
00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:04,988
-You want the teddy bear story?
736
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:06,614
As a Royal Protection officer,
737
00:40:06,656 --> 00:40:10,201
we would do security checks
on their personal apartments.
738
00:40:10,243 --> 00:40:12,954
I went to Prince Andrew's
private apartments,
739
00:40:12,996 --> 00:40:15,749
and he had about,
I'd say, 50 or 60
740
00:40:15,790 --> 00:40:17,459
stuffed teddy bears on his bed.
741
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:18,668
-Is this your teddy?
742
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:21,379
-He's got a new scarf.
743
00:40:21,421 --> 00:40:24,382
-I thought, for a 41-year-old
man, it was a bit odd.
744
00:40:24,424 --> 00:40:25,759
And then I opened the drawer
745
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,927
and there was a laminated
picture in the drawer
746
00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:30,305
with picture of the teddy bears
all in situ on the bed.
747
00:40:30,347 --> 00:40:34,100
Basically, if those teddy bears
aren't put back in that order,
748
00:40:34,142 --> 00:40:36,102
Prince Andrew will shout
and scream at the maids,
749
00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:40,357
so they took a picture
to make sure they get it right,
750
00:40:40,398 --> 00:40:43,401
-Many grown men, yes, they keep
their teddies locked away.
751
00:40:43,443 --> 00:40:45,612
But they don't still have them
on their beds
752
00:40:45,653 --> 00:40:47,822
with diagrams
for staff to follow.
753
00:40:47,864 --> 00:40:51,117
Most of us
have gotten past that.
754
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:55,163
So, the Queen is lumped
with this not very clever boy
755
00:40:55,205 --> 00:40:57,040
who wants action.
756
00:40:57,082 --> 00:40:59,250
And she has this
kind of conundrum,
757
00:40:59,292 --> 00:41:01,878
which is what are we going
to do with Prince Andrew?
758
00:41:03,588 --> 00:41:08,009
-The Duke chose HMS Ark Royal
for his farewell to the navy.
759
00:41:08,051 --> 00:41:11,805
-For 22 years, I have
thoroughly enjoyed myself
760
00:41:11,846 --> 00:41:13,973
with the likes of you.
761
00:41:14,015 --> 00:41:16,851
-When Prince Andrew
retired from the Navy,
762
00:41:16,893 --> 00:41:18,770
he was sort of jobless,
763
00:41:18,812 --> 00:41:20,647
He was also short of money.
764
00:41:20,689 --> 00:41:22,482
He still had a house to upkeep,
765
00:41:22,524 --> 00:41:25,568
he had an ex-wife,
he had two daughters,
766
00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:29,280
so he was given this job
as roving trade ambassador.
767
00:41:31,366 --> 00:41:33,743
Which involved flying around
the world,
768
00:41:33,785 --> 00:41:35,954
allegedly promoting
British businesses.
769
00:41:35,995 --> 00:41:38,665
-How are you?
Nice to see you again.
770
00:41:38,707 --> 00:41:40,417
-A great pleasure.
771
00:41:40,458 --> 00:41:42,836
-It was basically a fake job.
772
00:41:42,877 --> 00:41:44,921
It didn't actually pay,
773
00:41:44,963 --> 00:41:49,718
but it gave him access
to a lot of perks.
774
00:41:52,053 --> 00:41:54,764
-He became known
as "Air Miles Andy,"
775
00:41:54,806 --> 00:41:57,183
because he was constantly
on an airplane,
776
00:41:57,225 --> 00:42:00,478
you know, pulling off free trips
here, there, and everywhere.
777
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,357
-Air Miles Andy and his travels
have been too costly, say some.
778
00:42:04,399 --> 00:42:06,651
His trade envoy work
costs the taxpayer
779
00:42:06,693 --> 00:42:09,529
just over £1 million a year.
780
00:42:09,571 --> 00:42:12,365
-Can I ask you about
the comments that have been made
781
00:42:12,407 --> 00:42:15,535
about an extravagant lifestyle
and so forth -- is that fair?
782
00:42:15,577 --> 00:42:17,203
-What is
an extravagant lifestyle?
783
00:42:17,245 --> 00:42:19,497
-Sometimes people do look
at the royal family
784
00:42:19,539 --> 00:42:24,586
and see perhaps that privilege
is being used to give them
785
00:42:24,627 --> 00:42:27,881
a lifestyle that people
might think of as unreasonable.
786
00:42:27,922 --> 00:42:29,257
-Well, I have to ask
the question --
787
00:42:29,299 --> 00:42:31,801
what is a reasonable lifestyle?
788
00:42:34,888 --> 00:42:38,058
-Not long after 9/11,
789
00:42:38,099 --> 00:42:41,853
I went to Bahrain
as the deputy ambassador
790
00:42:41,895 --> 00:42:43,855
at the British embassy.
791
00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:48,318
When the Duke of York
came in for a visit,
792
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,280
the problems started
right from the beginning.
793
00:42:52,322 --> 00:42:58,161
He had a private secretary,
two detectives, an equerry,
794
00:42:58,203 --> 00:43:00,580
a lady clerk, as she's called,
795
00:43:00,622 --> 00:43:06,252
whose sole job apparently
is to write thank-you letters.
796
00:43:06,294 --> 00:43:09,130
We went with the Bahraini
officials in convoy
797
00:43:09,172 --> 00:43:13,385
to the main five-star hotel
on the island,
798
00:43:13,426 --> 00:43:17,097
because Duke of York
nearly always refuses to stay
799
00:43:17,138 --> 00:43:18,598
at an ambassador's residence
800
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,018
even though it's free,
it's paid for by the government.
801
00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:25,689
He always likes to stay
in the best hotel.
802
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:29,484
At one point, I was coordinating
things in the foyer
803
00:43:29,526 --> 00:43:32,612
when the valet then turns up
with the luggage
804
00:43:32,654 --> 00:43:36,783
and Prince Andrew's
six-foot ironing board
805
00:43:36,825 --> 00:43:39,244
and tries to get his
ironing board
806
00:43:39,285 --> 00:43:41,955
through the revolving door
of the five-star
807
00:43:41,996 --> 00:43:44,124
Ritz-Carlton Hotel.
808
00:43:44,165 --> 00:43:45,625
And I said to the chap,
809
00:43:45,667 --> 00:43:48,586
"Why are you traveling
with an ironing board?"
810
00:43:48,628 --> 00:43:50,463
And he said,
"I'm the only person that knows
811
00:43:50,505 --> 00:43:56,302
how to iron His Royal Highness'
trousers correctly."
812
00:43:56,344 --> 00:43:59,139
The whole thing was
an embarrassment.
813
00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:01,891
And then I discovered
that all these other people
814
00:44:01,933 --> 00:44:03,727
had the same sort of stories.
815
00:44:03,768 --> 00:44:06,813
-What people really
became worried about
in the Foreign Office
816
00:44:06,855 --> 00:44:09,566
was not only was
he unbelievably oafish
817
00:44:09,607 --> 00:44:12,360
in his kind of social manners,
and rude,
818
00:44:12,402 --> 00:44:14,237
but also he would be going off
819
00:44:14,279 --> 00:44:16,823
and doing these side deals
with iffy people.
820
00:44:16,865 --> 00:44:19,034
It wasn't even on the agenda.
821
00:44:19,075 --> 00:44:22,245
-I am not doing this,
as it were, for my own good.
822
00:44:22,287 --> 00:44:25,290
I am not getting
any return for this.
823
00:44:25,331 --> 00:44:28,668
This is all done
on behalf of the UK.
824
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:30,879
It's not done on my behalf.
825
00:44:32,547 --> 00:44:37,177
-He would go off and be partying
with these oligarch types,
826
00:44:37,218 --> 00:44:39,512
essentially using
the trade ambassadorship
827
00:44:39,554 --> 00:44:45,060
as some kind of springboard
for his own sleazy deals.
828
00:44:45,101 --> 00:44:48,688
-For instance, in advance
of the Duke of York's last visit
829
00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:50,732
when I was in Bahrain,
830
00:44:50,774 --> 00:44:55,278
the private secretary had told
me during the pre-visit meeting
831
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,656
that he might be mentioning
Sunninghill Park,
832
00:44:58,698 --> 00:45:03,536
which was his house that had
been up for sale for a while.
833
00:45:03,578 --> 00:45:06,206
And I expressed surprise
834
00:45:06,247 --> 00:45:11,002
because I thought this wouldn't
be particularly ethical.
835
00:45:13,421 --> 00:45:15,799
-He couldn't unload this house.
Nobody wanted to buy it at all.
836
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,052
And then all of a sudden,
this oligarch buys this house
837
00:45:19,094 --> 00:45:23,306
for £3 million
over the asking price.
838
00:45:23,348 --> 00:45:25,225
The only difference
in this house
839
00:45:25,266 --> 00:45:26,726
from when it had
first been on the market
840
00:45:26,768 --> 00:45:29,979
was it was now in the flight
path of Heathrow Airport.
841
00:45:30,021 --> 00:45:31,981
So, it was actually
even less desirable
842
00:45:32,023 --> 00:45:33,692
than it had been
a few years before.
843
00:45:33,733 --> 00:45:37,987
It's frankly always been seen
as some kind of a dubious deal.
844
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,074
-Prince Andrew,
are you gonna resign?
845
00:45:41,116 --> 00:45:43,118
-Prince Andrew, are you
an embarrassment, sir?
846
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:44,911
-Prince Andrew,
are you resigning?
847
00:45:44,953 --> 00:45:47,914
-There's no way Prince Charles
is gonna accept the freebies
848
00:45:47,956 --> 00:45:49,624
that Prince Andrew has had
849
00:45:49,666 --> 00:45:53,586
and then talk about them
and be seen doing them.
850
00:45:53,628 --> 00:45:56,589
-He's become an embarrassment
to the royal family.
851
00:45:56,631 --> 00:45:59,092
I think we should say,
"Thank you for what you've done
852
00:45:59,134 --> 00:46:02,053
over the years
to promote British trade,"
853
00:46:02,095 --> 00:46:04,723
but he needs to step back,
he needs to go.
854
00:46:04,764 --> 00:46:07,308
-He just kept messing up
and making dodgy deals,
855
00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:09,519
and, you know,
it came to an abrupt end.
856
00:46:09,561 --> 00:46:12,188
Let's just leave it like that.
857
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:13,648
-And now he's stepping aside
858
00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:16,109
as the UK special envoy
for trade.
859
00:46:16,151 --> 00:46:17,569
It will be seen as a response
860
00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:21,197
to the controversies
he's brought upon himself.
861
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,950
-Without all
the trade envoy perks,
862
00:46:23,992 --> 00:46:26,161
I think he needed Epstein.
863
00:46:29,497 --> 00:46:33,877
The moment Prince Andrew
met Epstein, he said "hoorah"
864
00:46:33,918 --> 00:46:37,422
because Epstein was every
dodgy businessman or sheik,
865
00:46:37,464 --> 00:46:39,466
all wrapped up into this
one little guy
866
00:46:39,507 --> 00:46:42,594
who offered him
everything he wanted.
867
00:46:42,635 --> 00:46:44,471
-When you realize that
Prince Andrew himself
868
00:46:44,512 --> 00:46:47,474
is actually not that rich,
then you understand
869
00:46:47,515 --> 00:46:52,145
why Jeffrey Epstein would be
such an attractive friend.
870
00:46:52,187 --> 00:46:55,065
Because he would foot the bill.
871
00:46:55,106 --> 00:46:58,193
-Fergie needed money
to pay off various debts,
872
00:46:58,234 --> 00:47:01,988
and it was Andrew's job to see
if Jeffrey Epstein
873
00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:04,240
could perhaps help out a little,
874
00:47:04,282 --> 00:47:06,493
which we later
discovered he did.
875
00:47:11,581 --> 00:47:16,169
-It was a pretty good
financial-social status trade
876
00:47:16,211 --> 00:47:18,588
that went on between them.
877
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:21,257
And then, of course, the other
great glue between them
878
00:47:21,299 --> 00:47:23,677
was Andrew's sex life.
879
00:47:31,935 --> 00:47:33,978
-Every so often, you know,
there used to be rumors that
880
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:38,566
Prince Andrew and Fergie
were getting back together.
881
00:47:41,027 --> 00:47:45,073
-Meanwhile, Andrew started
going out with other women.
882
00:47:50,078 --> 00:47:54,457
-After the marriage, he really
sort of went into overdrive.
883
00:47:54,499 --> 00:47:56,960
There were models,
there were actresses.
884
00:47:57,002 --> 00:48:00,005
-For any young woman,
if you are asked out on a date
885
00:48:00,046 --> 00:48:04,050
by Prince Andrew, you're
probably not going to say no.
886
00:48:04,092 --> 00:48:06,594
It all looked very glamorous.
887
00:48:06,636 --> 00:48:10,181
-The first time that I met
Prince Andrew
888
00:48:10,223 --> 00:48:12,267
was on a double date.
889
00:48:12,308 --> 00:48:14,561
You know, who wouldn't
want to be at dinner
890
00:48:14,602 --> 00:48:17,856
with Prince Andrew, you know?
891
00:48:17,897 --> 00:48:20,108
Andrew's a masculine guy,
892
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:23,111
and the fact
that he's flown planes
893
00:48:23,153 --> 00:48:26,364
and he's like a real guy,
894
00:48:26,406 --> 00:48:30,827
and I think
women are attracted to that.
895
00:48:30,869 --> 00:48:33,163
It was fun.
896
00:48:33,204 --> 00:48:35,832
But we couldn't go
into any place
897
00:48:35,874 --> 00:48:39,627
without there being, you know,
20 photographers outside.
898
00:48:45,342 --> 00:48:48,094
-Prince Andrew was getting
an awful lot of attention
899
00:48:48,136 --> 00:48:49,471
and an awful lot of gossip,
900
00:48:49,512 --> 00:48:52,390
which is exactly
what he's not supposed to do.
901
00:48:53,975 --> 00:48:55,393
-Thank you much.
902
00:48:57,187 --> 00:48:58,396
-Morning.
-Have you got The Independent?
903
00:48:58,438 --> 00:49:00,273
-The Independent's sold out.
Sorry.
904
00:49:00,315 --> 00:49:02,859
-In the '90s,
it was a tabloid sales frenzy.
905
00:49:02,901 --> 00:49:04,486
-Sold out, sir. Sorry.
906
00:49:07,572 --> 00:49:10,241
If you could get a picture
of Andrew with a new girlfriend,
907
00:49:10,283 --> 00:49:11,826
it was worth a lot of money
in those days.
908
00:49:11,868 --> 00:49:14,662
And it would sail
onto the front page.
909
00:49:23,546 --> 00:49:26,508
-Andrew had finally moved
into middle age.
910
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:29,636
He'd put on weight,
he'd got greyer,
911
00:49:29,678 --> 00:49:34,683
but he thought he was still
the young Playboy Prince.
912
00:49:34,724 --> 00:49:37,477
-The talk at the dinner parties
was that,
913
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,563
you know, he couldn't
keep his trousers closed.
914
00:49:47,904 --> 00:49:51,408
-I'd been a sports injury
massage therapist
915
00:49:51,449 --> 00:49:53,326
for about ten years.
916
00:49:53,368 --> 00:49:56,454
I got a phone call one Sunday
just asking me
917
00:49:56,496 --> 00:49:58,748
if I was available to come
and do a home visit.
918
00:49:58,790 --> 00:50:01,793
And I went to the Royal Lodge,
and that was the first time
919
00:50:01,835 --> 00:50:03,837
I met Prince Andrew.
920
00:50:03,878 --> 00:50:06,715
His massage table was set up,
but it was in a bedroom,
921
00:50:06,756 --> 00:50:09,300
and again I said I don't tend
to work in people's bedrooms.
922
00:50:09,342 --> 00:50:11,469
That was completely unusual.
923
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:14,764
I didn't hear him come in,
924
00:50:14,806 --> 00:50:18,560
but this male voice
just announced,
925
00:50:18,601 --> 00:50:20,937
"Great .
Do you take it up the ?"
926
00:50:20,979 --> 00:50:25,108
And I shot up.
I was absolutely astounded.
927
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:26,568
And I kind of spun 'round,
928
00:50:26,609 --> 00:50:29,154
and he was sort of standing
right up against me,
929
00:50:29,195 --> 00:50:32,657
pretty much nose to nose almost,
and thank God I just had
930
00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:34,743
the wherewithal just to say,
931
00:50:34,784 --> 00:50:36,786
you know, "None of your
business."
932
00:50:36,828 --> 00:50:39,956
He then said, "You can't talk
to me like that."
933
00:50:39,998 --> 00:50:42,250
And I just said, "You can't talk
to me like that."
934
00:50:42,292 --> 00:50:46,588
But from then on in, it was
just a lot of sexual innuendos,
935
00:50:46,629 --> 00:50:50,425
lots of sex jokes,
lost of talk about, you know,
936
00:50:50,467 --> 00:50:53,386
asking me inappropriate
questions about sex.
937
00:50:53,428 --> 00:50:56,097
Every time I saw him,
he'd try to hug me.
938
00:50:56,139 --> 00:50:57,515
He'd sometimes try and kiss me.
939
00:50:57,557 --> 00:51:00,185
Just a bit weird
and creepy, to be honest.
940
00:51:00,226 --> 00:51:04,481
And, quite frankly, a disgusting
way to approach a woman.
941
00:51:07,442 --> 00:51:09,110
-Andrew doesn't drink alcohol.
942
00:51:09,152 --> 00:51:12,030
He's never smoked
and he's never taken drugs.
943
00:51:12,072 --> 00:51:14,449
But his one big thing is sex.
944
00:51:19,996 --> 00:51:22,123
-My colleagues
at Buckingham Palace,
945
00:51:22,165 --> 00:51:23,625
we used to have the joke
946
00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:25,669
that he should have
a revolving door in his bedroom,
947
00:51:25,710 --> 00:51:27,587
the amount of women that are
going in and out of there.
948
00:51:27,629 --> 00:51:29,964
It was just -- pssh! --
literally every other day
949
00:51:30,006 --> 00:51:31,508
someone would be coming in
to see him,
950
00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:33,009
a different one every time.
951
00:51:33,051 --> 00:51:36,346
-These stories started to appear
with increasing rapidity.
952
00:51:36,388 --> 00:51:40,684
-And I think for Prince Andrew,
having witnessed the demise
953
00:51:40,725 --> 00:51:42,435
of Princess Diana
from the press, I think it was
954
00:51:42,477 --> 00:51:46,940
a bit of, you know, "Why are
the tabloids doing this to me?"
955
00:51:46,981 --> 00:51:49,693
I think Prince Andrew
genuinely believed
956
00:51:49,734 --> 00:51:52,487
that he has
his mother's standing.
957
00:51:52,529 --> 00:51:55,782
We all know that
even if the Queen
958
00:51:55,824 --> 00:51:58,284
were to have
a cocaine-fueled party,
959
00:51:58,326 --> 00:52:01,746
we wouldn't report it, because
everybody reveres the Queen.
960
00:52:01,788 --> 00:52:04,833
The difference is,
nobody loves Prince Andrew.
961
00:52:04,874 --> 00:52:11,423
-The young Playboy Prince became
this sour middle-aged man,
962
00:52:11,464 --> 00:52:14,342
who was rude, who upset people.
963
00:52:14,384 --> 00:52:17,053
And people would leak stories.
964
00:52:19,389 --> 00:52:22,142
-On one occasion,
a female turned up
965
00:52:22,183 --> 00:52:26,604
and said that she was here
to see Prince Andrew.
966
00:52:26,646 --> 00:52:28,523
We apologized to the young lady
and said, "Really sorry,
967
00:52:28,565 --> 00:52:29,858
We can't let you in
at the moment
968
00:52:29,899 --> 00:52:32,360
until we can get confirmation
from the staff."
969
00:52:32,402 --> 00:52:33,695
So, she said, "That's fine.
970
00:52:33,737 --> 00:52:35,030
Do you want me to ring him
on my mobile?"
971
00:52:35,071 --> 00:52:36,698
So, we said, "Yeah.
That's fine."
972
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:38,199
She rang him, and we could hear
the conversation.
973
00:52:38,241 --> 00:52:41,745
Anyway, he said,
"Put one of the officers on."
974
00:52:41,786 --> 00:52:43,371
My colleagues took the phone.
975
00:52:43,413 --> 00:52:45,874
He shouted
at the top of his voice,
976
00:52:45,915 --> 00:52:47,709
"Listen to me,
you fat, lardy...
977
00:52:47,751 --> 00:52:50,920
If you don't let my guest in,
I'm gonna come down there."
978
00:52:50,962 --> 00:52:52,464
So we just...
979
00:52:52,505 --> 00:52:55,216
And she went bright red.
She was embarrassed.
980
00:52:55,258 --> 00:52:58,178
And we just let her in.
981
00:52:58,219 --> 00:53:00,138
You would think
a member of the royal family
982
00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:02,599
would have some kind of decorum
and respect for the staff
983
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,975
that are there and paid
to protect them
984
00:53:04,017 --> 00:53:05,894
and look after them,
and there's none.
985
00:53:05,935 --> 00:53:09,397
None at all.
He's just a horrible person.
986
00:53:09,439 --> 00:53:10,899
He's a bully.
987
00:53:13,151 --> 00:53:15,153
-He became this sad couch potato
988
00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:18,239
living in his grand
but dingy apartment,
989
00:53:18,281 --> 00:53:20,825
a certain grievance all the time
about the fact
990
00:53:20,867 --> 00:53:22,410
that he wasn't bigger
and better than who he was,
991
00:53:22,452 --> 00:53:25,830
and I think it kind of
ate away at his soul, really.
992
00:53:28,083 --> 00:53:30,627
-Prince Andrew's
daily life in Britain
993
00:53:30,669 --> 00:53:34,255
would be spent inspecting
military parades,
994
00:53:34,297 --> 00:53:37,384
cutting ribbons, opening fairs.
995
00:53:43,056 --> 00:53:45,767
His life was probably
quite dull.
996
00:53:45,809 --> 00:53:48,353
-He was a sideshow.
He wasn't rich enough.
997
00:53:48,395 --> 00:53:50,647
He wasn't the heir
to the throne.
998
00:53:50,689 --> 00:53:53,066
Meanwhile, Epstein
was very, very good
999
00:53:53,108 --> 00:53:54,776
at making him feel that.
1000
00:53:54,818 --> 00:53:57,654
treating him as if he was
a major, big deal.
1001
00:53:59,197 --> 00:54:02,033
-Jeffrey Epstein
was awash with money,
1002
00:54:02,075 --> 00:54:04,160
and property
all over the world,
1003
00:54:04,202 --> 00:54:07,163
and there were a lot
of pretty girls around.
1004
00:54:07,205 --> 00:54:10,959
-But the privacy
that Epstein offered --
1005
00:54:11,001 --> 00:54:15,463
the house in Manhattan,
the private plane,
1006
00:54:15,505 --> 00:54:18,758
the private islands --
that, for Andrew, was heaven.
1007
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,553
I mean, he was able to behave
as badly as he wanted
1008
00:54:21,594 --> 00:54:23,096
behind closed doors.
1009
00:54:23,138 --> 00:54:28,101
-This entire sorry saga
boils down to sex and greed.
1010
00:54:28,143 --> 00:54:31,730
Prince Andrew has never had
a woman say no to him,
1011
00:54:31,771 --> 00:54:33,606
as far as we know.
1012
00:54:33,648 --> 00:54:37,402
But then we hear about
Virginia Roberts Giuffre.
1013
00:54:47,704 --> 00:54:50,248
-So...
1014
00:54:50,290 --> 00:54:53,835
I'd been working on sexual abuse
cases for many years.
1015
00:54:53,877 --> 00:54:56,796
-This is the only lawsuit
now filed
1016
00:54:56,838 --> 00:54:59,507
by one of Mr. Cosby's
sexual assault victims...
1017
00:54:59,549 --> 00:55:02,218
And I represented
four young girls
1018
00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:05,638
in the original litigation
against Jeffrey Epstein.
1019
00:55:07,223 --> 00:55:09,851
It was incredibly surprising
that Prince Andrew
1020
00:55:09,893 --> 00:55:12,145
would associate himself
with somebody like that
1021
00:55:12,187 --> 00:55:16,316
and bring such an embarrassment
upon the Crown.
1022
00:55:16,358 --> 00:55:18,026
But based upon his history,
1023
00:55:18,068 --> 00:55:21,529
it seems that Prince Andrew
has lived his life
1024
00:55:21,571 --> 00:55:23,907
very similar to Jeffrey Epstein,
1025
00:55:23,948 --> 00:55:25,700
which is narcissistic.
1026
00:55:25,742 --> 00:55:27,160
He thinks he's infallible,
1027
00:55:27,202 --> 00:55:30,080
thinks that everyone will
believe everything he says
1028
00:55:30,121 --> 00:55:32,374
and that he can basically do
whatever he wants,
1029
00:55:32,415 --> 00:55:37,045
whenever he wants, without
any consequence or recourse.
1030
00:55:37,087 --> 00:55:41,841
It only changed after Virginia
came forward with her story.
1031
00:55:44,302 --> 00:55:48,223
-We turn next to a controversy
shaking Britain's royal family.
1032
00:55:48,264 --> 00:55:51,393
Allegations in US federal
court by Virginia Roberts.
1033
00:55:51,434 --> 00:55:54,312
-Roberts claims that she was
forced to have sexual relations
1034
00:55:54,354 --> 00:55:56,189
with the Prince
when she was a minor.
1035
00:55:56,231 --> 00:56:00,902
-The explosive claim blanketing
Britain's front pages today.
1036
00:56:00,944 --> 00:56:03,029
-Virginia Roberts
was taken under
1037
00:56:03,071 --> 00:56:07,534
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein's
wing at a very young age,
1038
00:56:07,575 --> 00:56:10,412
around 15 years old.
1039
00:56:10,453 --> 00:56:12,997
They introduced her
to people of notoriety,
1040
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,750
and one of those people
clearly was Prince Andrew.
1041
00:56:15,792 --> 00:56:18,086
-I was woken up by Ghislaine
in the morning
1042
00:56:18,128 --> 00:56:19,754
and told I was going to meet
a prince.
1043
00:56:19,796 --> 00:56:22,215
-Virginia was groomed
and essentially
1044
00:56:22,257 --> 00:56:24,968
made to be a sexual slave
of Jeffrey Epstein
1045
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:27,053
and his friends,
which included Prince Andrew.
1046
00:56:27,095 --> 00:56:28,430
-Ghislaine tells me
in the car
1047
00:56:28,471 --> 00:56:31,558
that I have to do...
what I do for Jeffrey
1048
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:32,934
for Prince Andrew.
1049
00:56:32,976 --> 00:56:35,937
-It's completely
inappropriate behavior
1050
00:56:35,979 --> 00:56:38,273
on behalf of someone
like Prince Andrew
1051
00:56:38,314 --> 00:56:42,402
to even be put in a situation
with a young girl.
1052
00:56:42,444 --> 00:56:45,071
-Powerful people
were allowing this to happen.
1053
00:56:45,113 --> 00:56:48,158
Not only allowing it to happen,
but participating in it.
1054
00:56:49,784 --> 00:56:52,954
-When Virginia came out with her
story regarding Prince Andrew,
1055
00:56:52,996 --> 00:56:55,832
I felt the same way
about her story
1056
00:56:55,874 --> 00:56:57,959
that I originally had felt
about the young women
1057
00:56:58,001 --> 00:57:00,962
that represented
against Jeffrey Epstein.
1058
00:57:01,004 --> 00:57:02,881
-Do you want to stop
for a wee second?
1059
00:57:02,922 --> 00:57:05,133
-If you don't mind.
Just for a tissue. I'm sorry.
1060
00:57:05,175 --> 00:57:07,886
-I knew the royal family would
attack her,
1061
00:57:07,927 --> 00:57:09,512
make her out as a liar.
1062
00:57:09,554 --> 00:57:13,516
All of the typical tactics
that we saw in the Epstein saga,
1063
00:57:13,558 --> 00:57:16,019
I knew were going to happen
to her, unfortunately,
1064
00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:20,690
probably tenfold, given who
she was going up against.
1065
00:57:20,732 --> 00:57:23,318
-Britain's Prince Andrew is
on the defensive this morning.
1066
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,487
Buckingham Palace
forcefully denying
1067
00:57:25,528 --> 00:57:27,155
the bombshell allegations.
1068
00:57:27,197 --> 00:57:31,159
-Not one, but an unprecedented
four statements issued.
1069
00:57:31,201 --> 00:57:33,828
-Buckingham Palace comes out
all guns blazing
1070
00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:36,414
and just denies, denies, denies.
1071
00:57:36,456 --> 00:57:39,668
-"Any suggestion of impropriety
with underaged minors
1072
00:57:39,709 --> 00:57:41,711
is categorically untrue."
1073
00:57:41,753 --> 00:57:44,005
-I remember
when the story broke,
1074
00:57:44,047 --> 00:57:45,507
Andrew was away skiing.
1075
00:57:45,548 --> 00:57:48,677
And he actually came back
to almost direct operations
1076
00:57:48,718 --> 00:57:50,178
in the press office
to make sure
1077
00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:52,305
that the wording
was absolutely right.
1078
00:57:52,347 --> 00:57:57,185
-I just wish to reiterate
and to reaffirm the statements
1079
00:57:57,227 --> 00:57:59,521
which have already
been made on my behalf.
1080
00:57:59,562 --> 00:58:02,190
-He was, in effect,
denying everything.
1081
00:58:02,232 --> 00:58:04,275
He wasn't in
any of these locations,
1082
00:58:04,317 --> 00:58:05,360
he didn't have sex,
1083
00:58:05,402 --> 00:58:07,404
and he certainly
didn't know who she was.
1084
00:58:07,445 --> 00:58:08,905
-And her evidence?
1085
00:58:08,947 --> 00:58:11,950
There's this photo from 2001
in London.
1086
00:58:11,991 --> 00:58:15,745
Roberts, 17 at the time,
with Prince Andrew.
1087
00:58:15,787 --> 00:58:18,790
She says they had sex
that night.
1088
00:58:18,832 --> 00:58:22,752
-As journalists, we say there's
no words without a picture.
1089
00:58:22,794 --> 00:58:26,840
And there was this picture of
very young 17-year-old Virginia
1090
00:58:26,881 --> 00:58:29,259
standing in
Ghislaine Maxwell's home
1091
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:33,513
with Andrew's pudgy fingers
around her bare midriff.
1092
00:58:35,765 --> 00:58:37,517
-The original photographs
that everyone saw
1093
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:41,062
of just Prince Andrew
and Epstein hanging out --
1094
00:58:41,104 --> 00:58:45,233
that's...poor judgment
and character.
1095
00:58:45,275 --> 00:58:48,319
But when you actually
place Andrew
1096
00:58:48,361 --> 00:58:52,157
with an underage young girl
who then comes forward
1097
00:58:52,198 --> 00:58:54,743
and tells the story
behind that photograph
1098
00:58:54,784 --> 00:58:56,745
and what had occurred to her,
1099
00:58:56,786 --> 00:59:00,957
that was the pivotal moment
in changing the entire story
1100
00:59:00,999 --> 00:59:03,752
Was he just a bad judge
of character?
1101
00:59:03,793 --> 00:59:07,797
Or was he instead
an actual sexual abuser?
1102
00:59:10,050 --> 00:59:13,178
He was going to drag
the entire royal family
1103
00:59:13,219 --> 00:59:16,056
into a disastrous circumstance.
1104
00:59:16,097 --> 00:59:20,352
-So, the Buckingham Palace
machinery kicked into action
1105
00:59:20,393 --> 00:59:24,689
and shut the whole
Virginia thing down.
1106
00:59:24,731 --> 00:59:26,274
-I've had this story
for three years.
1107
00:59:26,316 --> 00:59:29,444
I've had this interview
with Virginia Roberts.
1108
00:59:29,486 --> 00:59:31,321
We would not
put it on the air.
1109
00:59:31,363 --> 00:59:33,281
First of all, I was told,
"Who's Jeffrey Epstein?
1110
00:59:33,323 --> 00:59:35,700
No one knows who that is.
This is a stupid story."
1111
00:59:35,742 --> 00:59:38,119
Um, then the Palace found out
1112
00:59:38,161 --> 00:59:41,206
that we had her whole
allegations about Prince Andrew
1113
00:59:41,247 --> 00:59:44,084
and threatened us
a million different ways.
1114
00:59:46,002 --> 00:59:48,880
-Power can be very scary
to large news institutions
1115
00:59:48,922 --> 00:59:51,591
or television studios
or whatnot,
1116
00:59:51,633 --> 00:59:55,220
and unfortunately what happens
in sexual abuse oftentimes
1117
00:59:55,261 --> 00:59:57,972
is that it is
a "he said, she said" story.
1118
00:59:58,014 --> 01:00:00,183
You have a young girl
on the one hand,
1119
01:00:00,225 --> 01:00:03,311
and you have royalty
on the other.
1120
01:00:03,353 --> 01:00:05,980
The press and the media
have a healthy fear
1121
01:00:06,022 --> 01:00:09,401
of the repercussions
of putting out a story.
1122
01:00:09,442 --> 01:00:13,113
And that fear really is
what kept news media out
1123
01:00:13,154 --> 01:00:15,031
of not only
the Prince Andrew story,
1124
01:00:15,073 --> 01:00:18,910
but as well, the Jeffrey Epstein
story from the beginning.
1125
01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:33,675
I still remember it today.
I was sleeping.
1126
01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:35,385
It was early in the morning.
1127
01:00:35,427 --> 01:00:39,347
I got a phone call
from another attorney.
1128
01:00:39,389 --> 01:00:41,766
And he said,
"Are you watching the news?"
1129
01:00:41,808 --> 01:00:44,561
-Billionaire financier Jeffrey
Epstein has been arrested.
1130
01:00:44,602 --> 01:00:47,022
-Arrested and charged
with sex trafficking.
1131
01:00:47,063 --> 01:00:48,648
-Good morning.
1132
01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:52,902
Today we announce the unsealing
of sex trafficking charges
1133
01:00:52,944 --> 01:00:55,030
against Jeffrey Epstein.
1134
01:00:55,071 --> 01:00:58,533
If you have evidence
or information,
1135
01:00:58,575 --> 01:01:01,119
we want to hear from you.
1136
01:01:01,161 --> 01:01:04,581
-When Epstein was re-arrested
in 2019,
1137
01:01:04,622 --> 01:01:09,586
my first thought was, "What are
the victims gonna think?"
1138
01:01:09,627 --> 01:01:13,381
I was hopeful that maybe
the full story would come out
1139
01:01:13,423 --> 01:01:17,260
and these girls would
finally see some justice done.
1140
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:25,060
-2019 was like a new era.
1141
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:28,938
-The Me Too
social media campaign
1142
01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:32,942
against sexual harassment is
now spilling into the streets.
1143
01:01:32,984 --> 01:01:35,445
-Women suddenly had a voice.
1144
01:01:36,279 --> 01:01:37,739
They were speaking out.
1145
01:01:41,284 --> 01:01:44,871
-Harvey Weinstein,
a grotesque abuser of women,
1146
01:01:44,913 --> 01:01:46,831
had been convicted.
1147
01:01:46,873 --> 01:01:48,375
-The verdict a victory
1148
01:01:48,416 --> 01:01:51,461
for the Me Too movement
and his accusers.
1149
01:01:51,503 --> 01:01:55,090
-Everybody thought, "At last,
justice is about to be done."
1150
01:01:55,131 --> 01:01:56,966
-It was a completely
different world
1151
01:01:57,008 --> 01:02:00,470
that that was entering into
where people were now listening
1152
01:02:00,512 --> 01:02:02,681
to these women
about their story.
1153
01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:08,353
-Epstein's arrest must have
shaken a lot of people
1154
01:02:08,395 --> 01:02:10,939
who'd been involved
with Epstein.
1155
01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:12,649
-Now we'll have to wait and see
1156
01:02:12,691 --> 01:02:15,485
whether Epstein
is gonna name names.
1157
01:02:15,527 --> 01:02:17,529
-It is time
for Jeffrey Epstein
1158
01:02:17,570 --> 01:02:20,657
and those who participated
in these sex crimes
1159
01:02:20,699 --> 01:02:22,701
to be brought to justice.
1160
01:02:22,742 --> 01:02:25,954
-Epstein being arrested
was a body blow for Andrew,
1161
01:02:25,995 --> 01:02:30,125
but that wasn't the worst thing
that happened for him.
1162
01:02:32,335 --> 01:02:34,713
-Breaking news
out of New York --
1163
01:02:34,754 --> 01:02:37,799
Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
1164
01:02:37,841 --> 01:02:39,843
-When Epstein dies in jail,
1165
01:02:39,884 --> 01:02:43,805
everyone starts turning their
sights to who's left behind --
1166
01:02:43,847 --> 01:02:45,807
people like Ghislaine Maxwell.
1167
01:02:45,849 --> 01:02:48,601
-And tonight, the whereabouts
of Ghislaine Maxwell
1168
01:02:48,643 --> 01:02:50,061
still a mystery.
1169
01:02:50,103 --> 01:02:52,313
-When this story
couldn't get any weirder,
1170
01:02:52,355 --> 01:02:54,357
Ghislaine simply vanished.
1171
01:02:54,399 --> 01:02:56,776
-Where is Ghislaine Maxwell?
1172
01:02:56,818 --> 01:02:58,028
-We don't know where she is.
1173
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:59,404
-We don't know exactly
where she is.
1174
01:02:59,446 --> 01:03:01,489
It sounds like
she may be in Europe.
1175
01:03:01,531 --> 01:03:03,199
-This woman's just disappeared
off the face of the Earth
1176
01:03:03,241 --> 01:03:04,659
and she's key
to all of this.
1177
01:03:04,701 --> 01:03:07,537
-And that's when the story
really started to blow up
1178
01:03:07,579 --> 01:03:08,997
for Prince Andrew.
1179
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:12,417
-Suddenly Andrew found himself
in the red-hot spotlight.
1180
01:03:18,256 --> 01:03:21,551
-The Daily Mail has got
10 questions here
1181
01:03:21,593 --> 01:03:25,347
that it believes
the Palace should be answering.
1182
01:03:25,388 --> 01:03:27,724
-As the story began to unfold,
1183
01:03:27,766 --> 01:03:32,562
Prince Andrew took it upon
himself to do an interview.
1184
01:03:34,647 --> 01:03:36,358
-His decision to do
that interview
1185
01:03:36,399 --> 01:03:38,360
was the most unbelievable,
1186
01:03:38,401 --> 01:03:40,737
self-destructive decision
you could possibly make.
1187
01:03:40,779 --> 01:03:43,948
I mean, Andrew strapped on
a suicide vest
1188
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:48,661
and sat down with one of
the most forensic interviewers.
1189
01:03:48,703 --> 01:03:52,248
I was actually sweating
on his behalf.
1190
01:03:54,292 --> 01:03:56,670
-It was a Saturday night
in November.
1191
01:03:56,711 --> 01:03:59,547
I sat down on my sofa
at my home in London
1192
01:03:59,589 --> 01:04:04,052
and, oh, I was just stunned.
1193
01:04:04,094 --> 01:04:05,387
-I'm just trying
to work this out.
1194
01:04:05,428 --> 01:04:06,721
You were staying at the house --
1195
01:04:06,763 --> 01:04:08,807
-Yes.
-...of a convicted sex offender?
1196
01:04:10,225 --> 01:04:11,893
It was a convenient place
to stay.
1197
01:04:11,935 --> 01:04:14,104
There's -- I-I mean,
and I've gone through this
1198
01:04:14,145 --> 01:04:15,855
in my mind so many times.
1199
01:04:15,897 --> 01:04:18,775
And I-I admit fully
that -- that --
1200
01:04:18,817 --> 01:04:23,571
that -- that my judgment
was probably coloured
1201
01:04:23,613 --> 01:04:26,366
by my, um...
1202
01:04:26,408 --> 01:04:28,410
tendency to be too honorable.
1203
01:04:28,451 --> 01:04:32,080
But that's just the way it is.
1204
01:04:32,122 --> 01:04:34,290
-I watched
the Newsnight interview
1205
01:04:34,332 --> 01:04:36,251
with growing disbelief, really.
1206
01:04:36,292 --> 01:04:39,087
-Do you regret the whole
friendship with Epstein?
1207
01:04:41,798 --> 01:04:43,758
Now? Mm, ah, still not.
1208
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,343
-I mean, there was a point
where I wanted
1209
01:04:45,385 --> 01:04:46,928
to stuff my own fist in my mouth
1210
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:50,557
and I was sort of like,
"No! Oh, my God! Oh!"
1211
01:04:50,598 --> 01:04:52,934
-You threw a birthday party, um,
1212
01:04:52,976 --> 01:04:55,520
for Epstein's girlfriend,
Ghislaine Maxwell.
1213
01:04:55,562 --> 01:04:56,813
-N-No...
1214
01:04:56,855 --> 01:04:58,481
It was a shooting weekend.
-A shooting weekend?
1215
01:04:58,523 --> 01:04:59,649
-Just a straightforward --
1216
01:04:59,691 --> 01:05:01,443
straightforward
shooting weekend.
1217
01:05:01,484 --> 01:05:04,988
-It was quite astonishing,
the excuses he came up with.
1218
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:06,698
-Here's the problem.
1219
01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:09,993
I've never seen Epstein
with a camera in my life.
1220
01:05:10,035 --> 01:05:13,455
-Andrew said the picture
of him with Virginia was fake.
1221
01:05:13,496 --> 01:05:14,789
-And that's a --
that's a picture of me.
1222
01:05:14,831 --> 01:05:16,541
It's not a picture of --
I don't believe
1223
01:05:16,583 --> 01:05:18,084
it's a picture
of me in London,
1224
01:05:18,126 --> 01:05:21,046
because when I would go out --
when I go out in London,
1225
01:05:21,087 --> 01:05:23,298
I wear a suit and a tie.
1226
01:05:23,340 --> 01:05:25,842
-It was just, you know,
great conspiracy theory.
1227
01:05:25,884 --> 01:05:28,345
-The photograph
was taken upstairs,
1228
01:05:28,386 --> 01:05:31,097
and I don't think
I ever went upstairs.
1229
01:05:31,139 --> 01:05:32,640
-You-- You're sure about that?
-Yeah, because the --
1230
01:05:32,682 --> 01:05:34,392
because the --
because the dining room
1231
01:05:34,434 --> 01:05:36,811
and everything was on the --
was on the ground floor.
1232
01:05:36,853 --> 01:05:39,773
-That interview
utterly ripped to shreds
1233
01:05:39,814 --> 01:05:41,816
every one of his excuses.
1234
01:05:41,858 --> 01:05:43,818
-You have to -- You have to
understand that -- that...
1235
01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:46,196
I-I-I-I...I-I...
1236
01:05:46,237 --> 01:05:48,698
But -- But...
But I-I-I...
1237
01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:50,241
-Yeah.
1238
01:05:50,283 --> 01:05:52,327
-It essentially revealed him
to the public
1239
01:05:52,369 --> 01:05:56,456
as absolutely
beyond the pale.
1240
01:05:56,498 --> 01:05:58,792
-She described dancing with you.
-No.
1241
01:05:58,833 --> 01:06:01,419
-And you profusely sweating.
1242
01:06:01,461 --> 01:06:04,839
-And that she went on
to have a bath possibly --
1243
01:06:04,881 --> 01:06:06,675
-There's a slight problem
with -- with -- with --
1244
01:06:06,716 --> 01:06:08,718
with -- with the sweating, um,
1245
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:14,933
because I-I-I have a peculiar
m-medical condition
1246
01:06:14,974 --> 01:06:16,768
which is that I don't sweat, um,
1247
01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:19,854
or I didn't sweat at the time,
and that was...
1248
01:06:19,896 --> 01:06:21,064
Uh, was it...?
1249
01:06:21,106 --> 01:06:22,774
Yes, I didn't sweat at the time,
1250
01:06:22,816 --> 01:06:27,028
because I, um, h-had suffered
what I would describe
1251
01:06:27,070 --> 01:06:29,906
as an overdose of adrenaline
in the Falklands War
1252
01:06:29,948 --> 01:06:31,908
when I was shot at...
1253
01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:37,831
-And then, of course,
newspapers found pictures of him
1254
01:06:37,872 --> 01:06:39,874
wearing almost
the same blue shirt
1255
01:06:39,916 --> 01:06:42,752
sweating, at that time.
1256
01:06:44,838 --> 01:06:47,716
And then, you know, there was
the Pizza Express story,
1257
01:06:47,757 --> 01:06:51,428
-On that particular day,
I was at home.
1258
01:06:51,469 --> 01:06:53,680
Uh, I was with the children,
and I'd taken Beatrice
1259
01:06:53,722 --> 01:06:59,561
to, uh, a Pizza Express
in Woking for a party.
1260
01:06:59,602 --> 01:07:01,646
-Why would you remember that
so specifically?
1261
01:07:01,688 --> 01:07:04,065
Why would you remember
a-a Pizza Express birthday
1262
01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:06,943
and being at home?
-Because going to Pizza Express
1263
01:07:06,985 --> 01:07:10,864
in Woking is an unusual thing
for me to do.
1264
01:07:12,949 --> 01:07:15,660
-Woking is a strange little town
not far from Windsor.
1265
01:07:15,702 --> 01:07:18,705
And the idea of Prince Andrew
picking his daughter up
1266
01:07:18,747 --> 01:07:22,250
from a Pizza Express in Woking
became a joke.
1267
01:07:22,292 --> 01:07:23,585
-He can't remember
meeting a woman
1268
01:07:23,626 --> 01:07:25,170
and having a photo with her,
1269
01:07:25,211 --> 01:07:29,007
but he can remember a pizza
he had 18 years ago.
1270
01:07:30,383 --> 01:07:32,177
-Saying that you went
to Pizza Express
1271
01:07:32,218 --> 01:07:33,595
for a bit in the afternoon
1272
01:07:33,636 --> 01:07:36,556
isn't an alibi
to cover the whole evening.
1273
01:07:36,598 --> 01:07:38,808
It has "express" in the title.
1274
01:07:46,232 --> 01:07:47,776
-Prince Andrew is an idiot
1275
01:07:47,817 --> 01:07:50,111
for having agreed
to have done the interview.
1276
01:07:50,153 --> 01:07:53,239
I would've put my foot firmly
down and said, "Don't do it.
1277
01:07:53,281 --> 01:07:54,783
You're not allowed to do it."
1278
01:07:54,824 --> 01:07:58,995
-Andrew thought that his word
would be taken as gospel.
1279
01:08:01,247 --> 01:08:03,291
He later actually
told his mother
1280
01:08:03,333 --> 01:08:06,211
that it had gone rather well.
1281
01:08:06,252 --> 01:08:09,255
-Andrew thought,
"Ah, I've got a vehicle.
1282
01:08:09,297 --> 01:08:12,676
I can justify my friendship
and I can clear my name."
1283
01:08:12,717 --> 01:08:14,761
Well, he didn't justify
his friendship,
1284
01:08:14,803 --> 01:08:17,097
and he certainly
didn't clear his name.
1285
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:20,684
-Backlash this morning.
1286
01:08:20,725 --> 01:08:22,477
-Did you watch the interview?
1287
01:08:22,519 --> 01:08:25,355
-This interview sparking
an immediate firestorm.
1288
01:08:25,397 --> 01:08:28,692
-Absolute car crash.
1289
01:08:28,733 --> 01:08:30,610
-The headlines
have been scathing.
1290
01:08:30,652 --> 01:08:33,530
A "car crash,"
"toe-curling," "insane"
1291
01:08:33,571 --> 01:08:35,949
were some of the quotes.
1292
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:39,536
-Prince Andrew may have hoped
to answer the burning questions.
1293
01:08:39,577 --> 01:08:42,497
Instead, he's poured gas
on the flames.
1294
01:08:48,461 --> 01:08:51,047
-After the Newsnight interview,
1295
01:08:51,089 --> 01:08:55,010
the Queen went riding with him
in Windsor Great Park,
1296
01:08:55,051 --> 01:08:57,637
knowing the photographers
were there.
1297
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:00,515
The Queen is very canny.
She's not an idiot at all.
1298
01:09:00,557 --> 01:09:02,225
She wanted to support him.
1299
01:09:02,267 --> 01:09:06,771
And she decided that she
believed what her son told her.
1300
01:09:13,111 --> 01:09:14,988
-Right after the interview
that Prince Andrew gave,
1301
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:17,407
the US Attorneys' office
made it abundantly clear
1302
01:09:17,449 --> 01:09:19,993
that they wanted
to speak with him.
1303
01:09:20,035 --> 01:09:21,703
-The Southern District
of New York
1304
01:09:21,745 --> 01:09:25,206
and the FBI have contacted
Prince Andrew's attorneys
1305
01:09:25,248 --> 01:09:28,835
and requested to interview
Prince Andrew.
1306
01:09:28,877 --> 01:09:34,883
And to date, Prince Andrew
has provided zero cooperation.
1307
01:09:34,924 --> 01:09:36,718
-If Prince Andrew was already
feeling the heat,
1308
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,723
imagine how he felt when
Ghislaine was found hiding.
1309
01:09:41,765 --> 01:09:43,850
-At 8:30 this morning,
federal agents
1310
01:09:43,892 --> 01:09:46,102
zeroed in on
this New Hampshire house,
1311
01:09:46,144 --> 01:09:49,898
where they arrested
Ghislaine Maxwell.
1312
01:09:49,939 --> 01:09:52,984
-People speculated that
Ghislaine had tapes
1313
01:09:53,026 --> 01:09:57,489
that, you know, Jeffrey Epstein
had made that she was gonna use
1314
01:09:57,530 --> 01:10:00,158
and was her "get out
of jail free" card.
1315
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,118
Andrew must have been terrified.
1316
01:10:03,953 --> 01:10:07,540
-A yellow US-style bus
drove past Buckingham Palace
1317
01:10:07,582 --> 01:10:09,793
in a move designed
to press the Prince
1318
01:10:09,834 --> 01:10:14,089
to help authorities
investigate Jeffrey Epstein.
1319
01:10:14,130 --> 01:10:17,175
-If Prince Andrew
was truly innocent,
1320
01:10:17,217 --> 01:10:19,552
he should've been stepping
forward and telling the truth
1321
01:10:19,594 --> 01:10:21,721
to the US Attorneys
and the prosecutors
1322
01:10:21,763 --> 01:10:24,599
because he was
an integral witness.
1323
01:10:24,641 --> 01:10:28,812
So, if he was innocent,
he should have talked.
1324
01:10:30,271 --> 01:10:34,359
But he didn't.
And Virginia filed her lawsuit.
1325
01:10:34,401 --> 01:10:37,362
-New legal trouble
for Britain's Prince Andrew.
1326
01:10:37,404 --> 01:10:38,738
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
1327
01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:41,616
is now suing
the son of Queen Elizabeth.
1328
01:10:41,658 --> 01:10:44,869
-I'm calling BS on this,
because that's what it is.
1329
01:10:44,911 --> 01:10:47,122
-Virginia was determined
now to hit back.
1330
01:10:47,163 --> 01:10:50,709
-I won't stop fighting,
I will never be silenced,
1331
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:53,628
until these people
are brought to justice.
1332
01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:56,214
-It's a testament
to Virginia's strength
1333
01:10:56,256 --> 01:11:01,428
that over the years she has
been consistent with her story.
1334
01:11:01,469 --> 01:11:03,471
And yet, at the same time,
1335
01:11:03,513 --> 01:11:09,185
you see an incredible
inconsistency by Prince Andrew.
1336
01:11:09,227 --> 01:11:12,188
-I think she'd been goaded
for so long
1337
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:16,192
that she was like, "Right.
I'll sue him too."
1338
01:11:18,194 --> 01:11:21,448
Meanwhile, Prince Andrew
was determined
1339
01:11:21,489 --> 01:11:24,701
to avoid this lawsuit.
1340
01:11:24,743 --> 01:11:26,161
-They couldn't serve the papers,
1341
01:11:26,202 --> 01:11:28,872
because he was hiding
up at Balmoral.
1342
01:11:30,999 --> 01:11:33,251
-Prince Andrew claimed
the visit to Balmoral
1343
01:11:33,293 --> 01:11:35,170
was just a normal visit,
1344
01:11:35,211 --> 01:11:39,674
but during that time,
his first grandchild was born
1345
01:11:39,716 --> 01:11:41,051
back down in London.
1346
01:11:41,092 --> 01:11:43,511
He did not leave
the Queen's estate
1347
01:11:43,553 --> 01:11:46,389
to see his first grandchild.
1348
01:11:46,431 --> 01:11:48,600
He seemed to think that
if he refused to accept
1349
01:11:48,641 --> 01:11:51,644
the paperwork,
that would be good enough.
1350
01:11:53,855 --> 01:11:55,857
-But this evening,
at a virtual hearing
1351
01:11:55,899 --> 01:11:57,776
of this New York courthouse,
1352
01:11:57,817 --> 01:12:00,695
a judge will be told
that Ms. Giuffre's legal team
1353
01:12:00,737 --> 01:12:03,531
did serve the necessary papers
on the royal,
1354
01:12:03,573 --> 01:12:06,576
and the clock
should now be ticking.
1355
01:12:08,328 --> 01:12:11,539
-Then he came out with
some ludicrous statement --
1356
01:12:11,581 --> 01:12:13,625
"Well, I'm going to go
to court."
1357
01:12:13,667 --> 01:12:17,003
He obviously wasn't
listening to anybody.
1358
01:12:17,045 --> 01:12:20,465
He was a bit like a hare
running into the headlights,
1359
01:12:20,507 --> 01:12:22,801
not knowing which way to run.
1360
01:12:25,804 --> 01:12:29,057
-Prince Andrew hired
incredibly expensive lawyers
1361
01:12:29,099 --> 01:12:31,643
to defend Virginia's lawsuit.
1362
01:12:31,685 --> 01:12:34,396
They lodged all kinds of attacks
1363
01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:36,272
against her complaint
that were filed --
1364
01:12:36,314 --> 01:12:38,733
things such as the statute
of limitations,
1365
01:12:38,775 --> 01:12:40,735
the fact that she wasn't
a resident here
1366
01:12:40,777 --> 01:12:42,904
because she had moved
to Australia,
1367
01:12:42,946 --> 01:12:45,115
the fact Prince Andrew was
a foreign dignitary
1368
01:12:45,156 --> 01:12:48,326
and could not be sued
because of his status.
1369
01:12:50,161 --> 01:12:53,248
-But the judge
was having none of it.
1370
01:12:53,289 --> 01:12:54,582
He said no.
1371
01:12:54,624 --> 01:12:57,127
You know, "This case
is gonna happen."
1372
01:12:57,168 --> 01:12:59,254
-Prince Andrew has failed
in his bid
1373
01:12:59,295 --> 01:13:02,590
to get a civil case
dismissed by a US judge.
1374
01:13:02,632 --> 01:13:04,342
-Prince Andrew,
will you cooperate
1375
01:13:04,384 --> 01:13:05,927
with lawyers in America?
1376
01:13:05,969 --> 01:13:07,762
-The Palace ultimately saw
1377
01:13:07,804 --> 01:13:11,224
this was an absolute
unmitigated disaster.
1378
01:13:11,266 --> 01:13:15,020
There was no way that they could
come back from that.
1379
01:13:15,061 --> 01:13:17,480
And at that point,
they had to distance
1380
01:13:17,522 --> 01:13:19,607
themselves from Prince Andrew.
1381
01:13:19,649 --> 01:13:21,651
-Will you recover
from this, sir?
1382
01:13:30,326 --> 01:13:32,996
-The Queen loves her son
1383
01:13:33,038 --> 01:13:36,416
and she has very much
supported him
1384
01:13:36,458 --> 01:13:38,376
by being seen with him.
1385
01:13:41,379 --> 01:13:46,051
But she's also aware of
the public feeling against him.
1386
01:13:48,219 --> 01:13:51,264
-After the Newsnight interview,
the Queen saw that
1387
01:13:51,306 --> 01:13:57,479
Prince Andrew had the potential
to damage the institution.
1388
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,191
To her, the institutional
monarchy is more important
1389
01:14:01,232 --> 01:14:03,651
than safeguarding
some of the stupid things
1390
01:14:03,693 --> 01:14:05,862
that your children have done.
1391
01:14:05,904 --> 01:14:10,367
So she took the decision
to effectively fire him.
1392
01:14:15,246 --> 01:14:17,540
-Buckingham Palace has announced
that Prince Andrew
1393
01:14:17,582 --> 01:14:22,545
is returning his royal and
military titles to the Queen.
1394
01:14:22,587 --> 01:14:27,717
-She decided to strip Andrew
of all his appointments
1395
01:14:27,759 --> 01:14:31,638
and fire him from
front-line royal duties.
1396
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,057
-He is no longer
a functioning member
1397
01:14:34,099 --> 01:14:36,017
of the public royal family...
1398
01:14:36,059 --> 01:14:39,020
-And will no longer be referred
to as His Royal Highness.
1399
01:14:39,062 --> 01:14:42,065
-Royal commentators call
the decision damage control.
1400
01:14:42,107 --> 01:14:43,900
-Given everything
that has happened
1401
01:14:43,942 --> 01:14:46,695
since Prince Andrew appeared
on television,
1402
01:14:46,736 --> 01:14:49,114
the Queen had little choice.
1403
01:14:49,155 --> 01:14:51,825
-That's very difficult
for any mother to do,
1404
01:14:51,866 --> 01:14:54,119
but she saw
the need to do it
1405
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,330
because at the end of the day,
the buck stops with her.
1406
01:14:58,289 --> 01:15:01,209
And it's the same thing
with Virginia Roberts Giuffre.
1407
01:15:01,251 --> 01:15:04,838
There was nobody going
to let him appear in court.
1408
01:15:04,879 --> 01:15:06,798
-Prince Andrew
and Virginia Giuffre
1409
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,092
have reached
an out-of-court settlement.
1410
01:15:09,134 --> 01:15:11,302
-The sum of which
is not being disclosed.
1411
01:15:11,344 --> 01:15:14,681
-A clear sign the disgraced
royal wants to put this case
1412
01:15:14,723 --> 01:15:17,142
and the controversy behind him.
1413
01:15:19,352 --> 01:15:22,605
-I think Prince Andrew
must have been in pieces,
1414
01:15:22,647 --> 01:15:24,524
because he's always
gotten his own way.
1415
01:15:24,566 --> 01:15:27,110
-That must have been
a very hard pill to swallow.
1416
01:15:27,152 --> 01:15:31,281
Not just settling,
but how was he going to settle?
1417
01:15:31,322 --> 01:15:33,533
Because he didn't have
the money.
1418
01:15:33,575 --> 01:15:35,744
All sorts of figures
were bandied about --
1419
01:15:35,785 --> 01:15:39,873
$10 million,
$15 million, $20 million.
1420
01:15:39,914 --> 01:15:41,082
We don't know.
1421
01:15:41,124 --> 01:15:42,625
-And there were reports
that said
1422
01:15:42,667 --> 01:15:46,838
that part of the bill was
covered by the Queen herself.
1423
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,257
-It was obviously
substantial, but...
1424
01:15:49,299 --> 01:15:50,967
it does beg the question,
doesn't it?
1425
01:15:51,009 --> 01:15:53,136
I mean, he claimed
he didn't know her,
1426
01:15:53,178 --> 01:15:55,930
but why are you paying
somebody you don't know?
1427
01:16:00,602 --> 01:16:05,065
-Andrew refuses to accept today
that he's done.
1428
01:16:05,106 --> 01:16:07,984
I mean, he really believes
that he can come back,
1429
01:16:08,026 --> 01:16:10,487
because as a prince
and as a son of the Queen,
1430
01:16:10,528 --> 01:16:13,073
everything always has
really gone his way.
1431
01:16:13,114 --> 01:16:15,116
-His mother still loves him,
1432
01:16:15,158 --> 01:16:17,452
but does his older
brother love him?
1433
01:16:26,503 --> 01:16:30,298
-The question is what happens
when Prince Charles takes over?
1434
01:16:30,340 --> 01:16:33,134
Or Prince William,
who I know and I've heard
1435
01:16:33,176 --> 01:16:35,303
has no time for this at all.
1436
01:16:44,145 --> 01:16:46,189
-It's a big dilemma
for the monarchy,
1437
01:16:46,231 --> 01:16:48,566
what to do to stash,
frankly, a very healthy,
1438
01:16:48,608 --> 01:16:50,819
62-year-old man
who lives a stone's throw
1439
01:16:50,860 --> 01:16:53,863
from Windsor Castle
and doesn't want to go anywhere.
1440
01:16:53,905 --> 01:16:55,031
-He can't work.
1441
01:16:55,073 --> 01:16:58,326
He can't represent
the royal family.
1442
01:16:58,368 --> 01:17:01,204
-He's not been found guilty
of any crime.
1443
01:17:01,246 --> 01:17:05,208
But he's been sentenced
by the court of public opinion.
1444
01:17:05,250 --> 01:17:08,044
And the court of public
opinion is important
1445
01:17:08,086 --> 01:17:10,130
because they are the people
1446
01:17:10,171 --> 01:17:14,634
who decide whether
the monarchy is retained or not.
1447
01:17:14,676 --> 01:17:17,429
-He's out in the cold.
1448
01:17:17,470 --> 01:17:21,683
-It's important to remember that
Prince Andrew is not a victim.
1449
01:17:21,725 --> 01:17:24,436
I think he would like us
to think he's a victim.
1450
01:17:24,477 --> 01:17:28,440
But he was a very active
participant in his own demise.
1451
01:17:28,481 --> 01:17:30,942
Not only did he make
bad choices,
1452
01:17:30,984 --> 01:17:34,654
but morally
questionable choices.
1453
01:17:36,448 --> 01:17:39,701
And only he is to blame
for his behavior.
1454
01:17:47,083 --> 01:17:49,252
-Let them through, please!
1455
01:17:51,546 --> 01:17:54,466
-This is a key moment
for the victims.
1456
01:17:54,507 --> 01:17:58,720
Virginia Roberts Giuffre,
Prince Andrew's accuser.
1457
01:18:06,019 --> 01:18:08,897
-Today was a towering day
for justice.
1458
01:18:08,938 --> 01:18:12,150
-If there's one person
in this entire sordid story
1459
01:18:12,192 --> 01:18:14,110
who has the information
1460
01:18:14,152 --> 01:18:17,447
that could terrify Andrew,
it's Ghislaine.
1461
01:18:17,489 --> 01:18:19,366
-I think any of
the coconspirators
1462
01:18:19,407 --> 01:18:21,451
that have been involved
in this trafficking ring
1463
01:18:21,493 --> 01:18:24,537
have to be very nervous
right now.
1464
01:18:24,579 --> 01:18:27,457
-Ghislaine will appeal
this case,
1465
01:18:27,499 --> 01:18:31,670
and we are confident
that she will prevail on appeal.
1466
01:18:39,010 --> 01:18:40,387
-I don't think that Ghislaine
1467
01:18:40,428 --> 01:18:42,263
wants to spend the rest
of her life in prison
1468
01:18:42,305 --> 01:18:47,602
so some wealthy men
can get away with it.
1469
01:18:47,644 --> 01:18:52,107
-I think that anyone who was
involved with Jeffrey Epstein,
1470
01:18:52,148 --> 01:18:54,484
which includes Prince Andrew,
1471
01:18:54,526 --> 01:18:57,862
should be nervous about
Ghislaine Maxwell talking.
1472
01:18:57,904 --> 01:19:02,367
She is really the person
that holds all the secrets.
1473
01:19:04,536 --> 01:19:07,288
This really isn't the end
of the story.
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