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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,750 --> 00:00:09,710         [audience applauding]        2 00:00:12,310 --> 00:00:14,550        [announcer]   All right.                   I gotta tell you,          3 00:00:14,590 --> 00:00:20,110       I'm real proud to introduce                 this next artist          4 00:00:20,110 --> 00:00:22,750      whose name's become synonymous  5 00:00:22,750 --> 00:00:26,950       with courage and integrity.     6 00:00:26,990 --> 00:00:29,190          Ladies and gentlemen,                    Sinéad O'Connor.          7 00:00:29,190 --> 00:00:32,230      [audience boos and cheers]      8 00:00:38,910 --> 00:00:39,950              Thank you.              9 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:46,750         -[videotape squeals]              -[boos and cheers continue]     10 00:01:10,510 --> 00:01:13,670          [mysterious music]          11 00:01:56,110 --> 00:01:58,470        [Sinéad]   I didn't mean                     to be strong.            12 00:01:58,470 --> 00:02:00,670       I wasn't thinking to myself,               I must be strong.          13 00:02:00,670 --> 00:02:01,830       I didn't know I was strong.     14 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:08,670        I did suffer through a lot              because everybody felt       15 00:02:08,670 --> 00:02:10,510           it was okay to kick                   the shit out of me.         16 00:02:12,350 --> 00:02:16,110           I regret that I was                  so sad because of it.        17 00:02:16,150 --> 00:02:18,310          I regret that I spent                     so many years            18 00:02:18,310 --> 00:02:20,110        very lonely and isolated,                      really.               19 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:30,470                 Ran down                      And the lady said it        20 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:32,310              Got torn down                And the priest just said it     21 00:02:34,510 --> 00:02:38,310          Got burned down, ooh       22 00:02:38,310 --> 00:02:43,470         They give me five years                 Ooh, five years           23 00:02:43,470 --> 00:02:44,830              It's my turn           24 00:02:47,710 --> 00:02:53,230           Oh, oh, Jerusalem         25 00:02:56,990 --> 00:03:02,510           Oh, oh, Jerusalem         26 00:03:02,550 --> 00:03:05,430                [roars]               27 00:03:10,230 --> 00:03:12,150           There was no therapy                 when I was growing up.       28 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:15,470         So the reason I got into              music group was therapy,      29 00:03:15,470 --> 00:03:17,270           which is why it was                   such a shock for me         30 00:03:17,270 --> 00:03:19,710          to become a pop star,                it's not what I wanted.       31 00:03:19,710 --> 00:03:23,070         I just wanted to scream.      32 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:33,790      Everybody in music has a story        in terms of their upbringing    33 00:03:33,790 --> 00:03:36,150         or where they came from              or what they went through.     34 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:40,270       There's something they need             to get off their chest,       35 00:03:40,270 --> 00:03:42,110         and perhaps we all need             a bit of love and affection     36 00:03:42,110 --> 00:03:43,310            that we didn't get                      anywhere else            37 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:44,950       but we get by making music.     38 00:03:44,950 --> 00:03:48,510  Come on over there and sit down.  39 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:51,310       They're all, they're all              looking at you, Sinéad,       40 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:52,830     out there in television land.    41 00:03:52,870 --> 00:03:53,910    They're saying "Mother of God,    42 00:03:53,950 --> 00:03:55,150     what did she do with her head?  43 00:03:55,150 --> 00:03:56,790        Isn't that a disgrace?        44 00:03:56,790 --> 00:03:58,350          I hope my daughter              wouldn't turn out like that."    45 00:03:58,350 --> 00:03:59,790    Isn't that what you're saying?                Yes, you are.            46 00:03:59,790 --> 00:04:01,710           Already, you are.                    How are you then?          47 00:04:01,710 --> 00:04:03,350         -I'm fine, thank you.                    How are you?                      -Well done so far.          48 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:05,950         Now from Glenageary,              you were a difficult child,     49 00:04:05,950 --> 00:04:08,590           Sinéad O'Connor,              you were difficult growing up.    50 00:04:08,590 --> 00:04:10,630        You went through a lot              of schools, did you not?       51 00:04:10,630 --> 00:04:14,070         I think quite a few,             at the expense of my father.     52 00:04:14,070 --> 00:04:16,430           How many schools                did you go through and why?     53 00:04:16,430 --> 00:04:21,430      Um... I think, I don't know          how many, Dad? About five.      54 00:04:21,430 --> 00:04:23,070             Five or six.             55 00:04:23,070 --> 00:04:25,070        [host] How many schools                did she go through?         56 00:04:25,070 --> 00:04:26,430           -I'd say no more                     than five or six.                  -[Host] Five or six.         57 00:04:26,470 --> 00:04:28,270             That's a bit                     exaggerated actually.        58 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:30,270    That's in one year, of course.    59 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:33,990              And for me               60 00:04:34,030 --> 00:04:39,470          Some scarlet ribbons       61 00:04:39,470 --> 00:04:43,310            Scarlet ribbons            62 00:04:43,310 --> 00:04:47,150             For my hair...          63 00:04:47,150 --> 00:04:49,470        [Sinéad]   My very first                     musical memory           64 00:04:49,470 --> 00:04:53,510       is my father singing to me,              "Scarlet Ribbons".          65 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:55,670             I just remember                      being blown away.          66 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:57,590      Like I remember like yesterday          I was lying on my pillow      67 00:04:57,590 --> 00:04:58,870             and my dad would                    sing the song to me         68 00:04:58,910 --> 00:05:00,590      and I was like, "Oh, my God."    69 00:05:00,590 --> 00:05:02,190            The angels came in                       the window.             70 00:05:02,190 --> 00:05:07,350     ...all the streets were dark     71 00:05:07,350 --> 00:05:09,990  When I'm 11, my brother comes       home with "    Slow Train Coming,"  72 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:11,750             which completely                      changes my life           73 00:05:11,790 --> 00:05:13,270            and makes me want                     to be a musician,          74 00:05:13,310 --> 00:05:15,510               and makes me                     want to be an artist,        75 00:05:15,510 --> 00:05:17,190          and makes me know what             kind of artist I want to be     76 00:05:17,230 --> 00:05:19,590           because of the song                "Gotta Serve Somebody."       77 00:05:19,630 --> 00:05:22,350            And I was obsessed               with Bob Dylan from then on.    78 00:05:31,870 --> 00:05:34,870            My mother had this               fantastic record collection     79 00:05:34,910 --> 00:05:37,110        which she would spread out             on the dining room table      80 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:38,670              every morning                     like a deck of cards.        81 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:44,630            Her musical tastes                 ranged from John Lennon       82 00:05:44,630 --> 00:05:48,390       right through awful kind of          HMS Pinafore,   Light Opera,      83 00:05:48,430 --> 00:05:50,790         right through to, like,                  Porgy and Bess.           84 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:52,750         And also in those days,                 musicals were huge.         85 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:54,510            That was all that                     was ever on telly,         86 00:05:54,550 --> 00:05:56,230        was these just high class                musicals, you know.         87 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:57,790           My mother always had                the soundtracks to them.      88 00:06:01,870 --> 00:06:04,270        My father was into cello,      89 00:06:04,270 --> 00:06:06,270           which I used to find                     just too sad,                    given our circumstances.      90 00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:12,910           My parents separated                when I was quite young,       91 00:06:14,470 --> 00:06:16,190             and my mother                  was a very violent woman,      92 00:06:16,230 --> 00:06:18,350           not a healthy woman                     mentally at all.          93 00:06:18,390 --> 00:06:20,670          And she was physically       94 00:06:20,670 --> 00:06:22,750               and verbally                      and psychologically,        95 00:06:22,750 --> 00:06:24,350             spiritually and                     emotionally abusive.        96 00:06:27,230 --> 00:06:29,710             [tense music]            97 00:06:29,710 --> 00:06:31,390          My mother was a beast,       98 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:34,870       and I was able to soothe her                 with my voice,           99 00:06:34,870 --> 00:06:37,310        I was able to use my voice          to make the devil fall asleep.  100 00:06:39,430 --> 00:06:41,150          My father is the type                of man that didn't want       101 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:42,710              anyone talking                     about what happened,        102 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:44,310             and that's what                      was wrong with me.         103 00:06:44,350 --> 00:06:45,950         It wasn't talked about,                 even in the family.         104 00:06:49,150 --> 00:06:52,190       The cause of my own abuse             was the church's effect       105 00:06:52,230 --> 00:06:56,750           on this country,               which had produced my mother.    106 00:06:59,190 --> 00:07:02,790       I spent my entire childhood                 being beaten up           107 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:04,790          because of the social                       conditions             108 00:07:04,830 --> 00:07:06,470      under which my mother grew up    109 00:07:06,470 --> 00:07:08,350             and under which                      her mother grew up         110 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:10,230        and under which her mother             and her mother grew up.       111 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:17,150         I would compare Ireland                 to an abused child.         112 00:07:23,510 --> 00:07:27,630             I'd a terrible          113 00:07:27,630 --> 00:07:33,230              Broken heart           114 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:39,790              I'd a terrible          115 00:07:39,830 --> 00:07:42,750            Broken heart...          116 00:07:42,750 --> 00:07:44,350           [Sinéad]   I began                     studying scriptures         117 00:07:44,350 --> 00:07:46,150          when I was very small,       118 00:07:46,150 --> 00:07:47,830         because I wanted to see                what was in this book        119 00:07:47,870 --> 00:07:49,710           that they were using                 to oppress my people.        120 00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:54,510         Why were my grandparents                    so miserable            121 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:56,510      that they couldn't have a kiss  122 00:07:56,510 --> 00:07:58,390        without feeling like they            were going to burn in hell?     123 00:08:08,030 --> 00:08:10,110       [Father Brian]   The church                influenced everything.      124 00:08:10,110 --> 00:08:13,630       If it was a sin, then it was         against the law of the state.    125 00:08:13,630 --> 00:08:16,230        So divorce, contraception,     126 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:18,790            and anything that                   didn't agree entirely        127 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:21,310         with a very narrow view               of the Catholic church,       128 00:08:21,310 --> 00:08:22,830        it was simply not allowed.     129 00:08:24,990 --> 00:08:28,270               It affected                     every level of society.       130 00:08:28,270 --> 00:08:31,070           It was a mortal sin,                      for example,            131 00:08:31,070 --> 00:08:33,230             to go to a dance                      in some diocese,          132 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:35,190       that didn't end at midnight.    133 00:08:35,230 --> 00:08:38,870           It was a mortal sin                 to eat meat on a Friday.      134 00:08:38,910 --> 00:08:41,670         You could go to hell for           eating a sausage on a Friday.    135 00:08:43,310 --> 00:08:45,470      Everything was gathered around  136 00:08:45,510 --> 00:08:48,390         the power of the church                   over its people.          137 00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:53,350         [Sinéad]   I had loved                   the Catholic church,        138 00:08:53,350 --> 00:08:55,270            and I had grown up                      so religious,            139 00:08:55,270 --> 00:08:58,110         like stupidly religious.      140 00:08:58,110 --> 00:09:01,710         I made my holy communion              and I took it seriously.      141 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:04,470           That was a contract               with the holy spirit I made,    142 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:07,070          and I believed it all,             and I was trying to live it.    143 00:09:10,390 --> 00:09:13,110             [tense music]            144 00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:24,310  I went into care when I was 14,    145 00:09:24,310 --> 00:09:26,670         into care home for want               of a better description.      146 00:09:28,230 --> 00:09:30,030          I was a bit messed up.       147 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:31,870        And it wasn't acknowledged     148 00:09:31,870 --> 00:09:33,310         what had happened to me                in my mother's house.        149 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:39,150       I was unmanageable, really,      so they didn't want me at home.    150 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:45,230           The place was called                     "An Grianan,"                   which means "The Sunrise."     151 00:09:47,430 --> 00:09:50,350      [Jeannette]   An Grianan was           a residential training centre    152 00:09:50,350 --> 00:09:52,750        run by a religious order,                    by sisters.             153 00:09:55,670 --> 00:09:58,270              The girls came                   from mixed backgrounds.       154 00:09:58,270 --> 00:10:00,110            Some had come from                 other children's homes,       155 00:10:00,110 --> 00:10:01,990            have been in care                      all their lives.          156 00:10:02,030 --> 00:10:05,310           Others had come from                insecure family settings      157 00:10:05,350 --> 00:10:07,510        and they needed somewhere             where there was structure      158 00:10:07,550 --> 00:10:09,710       and safety for a few years.     159 00:10:12,430 --> 00:10:14,070           [Sinéad]   They got                    a guitar teacher in         160 00:10:14,070 --> 00:10:16,030          who was the loveliest                      woman alive,            161 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:17,350             who I still know                    and I still talk to                      now and then.            162 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:19,350           She's bloody lovely.        163 00:10:19,350 --> 00:10:20,750  If not for her, I wouldn't have          made it through that place.     164 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:24,270              [Jeannette]                   The first night, I was there    165 00:10:24,270 --> 00:10:26,150       doing music with the girls,     166 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:28,750       I asked her, would she like              to sing a song for us.       167 00:10:28,750 --> 00:10:31,150          And I won't forget it                   as long as I live,         168 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:34,670      because we were just stunned.    169 00:10:36,790 --> 00:10:39,550        We needed to encourage her            in this wonderful talent.      170 00:10:43,390 --> 00:10:45,750          Ooh, I'm freezing!          171 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:55,110      [Jeannette]   When we decided                 to get married,           172 00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:58,670           I asked Sinéad then                     to do the solo.           173 00:10:58,670 --> 00:11:01,350        And she sang   "Evergreen,"            which was my favourite song.    174 00:11:04,670 --> 00:11:08,710                One love             175 00:11:08,710 --> 00:11:13,510            Ageless and ever         176 00:11:13,510 --> 00:11:17,670               Evergreen             177 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:19,670              [Jeannette]                     The emotion of the song       178 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:22,150  almost brought people to tears.    179 00:11:22,190 --> 00:11:25,350             It was stunning.                It was absolutely stunning.     180 00:11:31,950 --> 00:11:36,510     [Sinéad]   In the congregation           was her brother, Paul Byrne,    181 00:11:36,510 --> 00:11:39,030         and then he was forming             this band called In Tua Nua.    182 00:11:42,070 --> 00:11:44,270            [Paul]   We were                    searching for a singer.       183 00:11:44,270 --> 00:11:48,550       So when I heard this voice,           it stopped me in my tracks.     184 00:11:48,590 --> 00:11:51,350        After chatting with Sinéad           on the steps of the church,     185 00:11:51,350 --> 00:11:54,590          I'd arranged to go up               and see her at An Grianan.     186 00:11:54,590 --> 00:11:58,310            We gave her a tape               and she phoned the next day.    187 00:11:58,310 --> 00:12:00,310            She had the lyrics                   and the melody done.        188 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:08,310            So we went back up                      the next night                    and she sang it to us,       189 00:12:08,310 --> 00:12:09,630         and it was spectacular.       190 00:12:12,670 --> 00:12:15,430              We had to book                      a couple of hours                  on a Wednesday afternoon      191 00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:18,270      because Sinéad got a half day          from school on a Wednesday.     192 00:12:18,310 --> 00:12:21,270       Picked her up, did two hours              of vocals with her,         193 00:12:21,270 --> 00:12:25,150          and then had her back                before the nuns noticed              she was missing.   [laughs]      194 00:12:25,150 --> 00:12:27,870         [Sinéad]   So the first                    song that I wrote,        195 00:12:27,870 --> 00:12:29,990               which became                      their first single,                was called "Take My Hand."     196 00:12:29,990 --> 00:12:31,550             It was a result                      of the punishment          197 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:34,030            the nun meted out                       to me one day,           198 00:12:34,070 --> 00:12:36,390            the nun, she could                    be terribly kind,          199 00:12:36,390 --> 00:12:39,550          but she could also be                terribly cruel as well.       200 00:12:39,550 --> 00:12:42,950        Where I was, was attached             to a Magdalene Laundry.        201 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:45,790           She sent me to sleep                  in the hospice part                      of the laundry           202 00:12:45,790 --> 00:12:47,510              as punishment                       a couple of times,         203 00:12:47,510 --> 00:12:49,470            to remind me that                 if I didn't behave myself,     204 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:52,510          I was going to end up                   like these women.          205 00:12:52,550 --> 00:12:55,030        When I went up, there was       no staff there with the ladies.    206 00:12:55,070 --> 00:12:57,070             There was never                     any nuns or nurses.         207 00:12:57,070 --> 00:12:59,910       And the poor ancient ladies           who were the Magdalene girls    208 00:12:59,950 --> 00:13:02,190         were lying in their beds               calling out for nurses                      all night              209 00:13:02,190 --> 00:13:04,990      that never came, it was awful.  210 00:13:05,030 --> 00:13:07,350        I didn't know what to do,       and obviously, I was terrified.    211 00:13:16,270 --> 00:13:20,990              Take my hand           212 00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:25,110             [tense music]            213 00:13:29,230 --> 00:13:31,150       [Jeannette]   These women,       214 00:13:31,150 --> 00:13:32,870            we're now talking                   about the early '80s,        215 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:35,830          some of them have been                there from the 1920s.        216 00:13:35,830 --> 00:13:39,430         These women, who through               no fault of their own,       217 00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:41,990           had just been put in               by the courts and by men.      218 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:47,070        Very often the cases were                they had been raped         219 00:13:47,070 --> 00:13:51,150        by maybe the local priest,             the doctor, the father,       220 00:13:51,150 --> 00:13:54,390        or some pillar of society.     221 00:13:56,510 --> 00:13:58,350        They had to pay the price      222 00:13:58,390 --> 00:13:59,670           and were locked away                 for their whole lives.       223 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:10,190     [Sinéad]   The whole of Ireland           talks about these ladies,      224 00:14:10,190 --> 00:14:13,670        but I met them, I met them            at their most vulnerable.      225 00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:22,110        These people convinced my           father that they could help me  226 00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:24,470              with whatever                    behavioural issues I had      227 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:27,350         as a result of what had              happened to me growing up.     228 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:29,350        But they didn't, they just            shut the door in his face      229 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:31,710        when he dropped me there,                they took his money.        230 00:14:33,270 --> 00:14:35,630      The problems were compounded.    231 00:14:35,630 --> 00:14:36,750               We all were                     walking around thinking               we were terrible people       232 00:14:36,750 --> 00:14:39,430       that didn't deserve to live.    233 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:41,670           My father, I'm sure               the world would acknowledge,    234 00:14:41,670 --> 00:14:42,790            deserves a refund.         235 00:14:44,990 --> 00:14:49,430               Young woman                   With a drink in her hand      236 00:14:49,470 --> 00:14:54,310           She liked to listen                   To rock and roll          237 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:59,790        She moves with the music     238 00:14:59,830 --> 00:15:03,870        'Cause it never gets old     239 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:08,430           [Clodagh]   Sinéad                    and I met when we were       240 00:15:08,430 --> 00:15:10,630        both around 18 years old.      241 00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:14,790            We were very close                  for a number of years        242 00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:17,350        until life kind of took us             in different directions.      243 00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:23,430            She really wanted                   to be doing her music.       244 00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:25,950         I think she really knew                what she wanted to do,       245 00:15:25,950 --> 00:15:27,270          but I don't quite know                     if she knew             246 00:15:27,270 --> 00:15:29,390  what path it would take her on.    247 00:15:31,470 --> 00:15:33,670         [Sinéad]   I put an ad                  in   Hot Press   magazine        248 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:36,470           that I was a singer                     and I wanted to                     find a band to join.        249 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:38,790           And I remember going              into these suburban houses,     250 00:15:38,830 --> 00:15:41,310        doing auditions for these              various different bands.      251 00:15:41,310 --> 00:15:44,350          Eventually I ended up                   meeting this dude                    called Colm Farrelly        252 00:15:44,350 --> 00:15:46,150                 who was                      putting together this band     253 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:50,510       Ton Ton Macoute, so I became            the singer in that band.      254 00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:53,270  I had a job at the Bad Ass Cafe                on Crown Alley,           255 00:15:53,310 --> 00:15:55,030         and we used to rehearse            right across the road from it.  256 00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:57,030              We did nothing                      but rehearse live,         257 00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:59,070           which is why I love                     live performing.          258 00:15:59,070 --> 00:16:00,670           And every rehearsal                     was like a gig.           259 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:05,390       Nigel Grainge and Chris Hill              came over to Dublin         260 00:16:05,390 --> 00:16:07,070       to see us, Ton Ton Macoute.     261 00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:13,310             [tense music]            262 00:16:13,310 --> 00:16:15,590         About six months later,            my mother unfortunately died,    263 00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:19,150             very selfishly.           264 00:16:19,150 --> 00:16:22,670            Months after that,                    I get a phone call                  from Chris and Nigel.        265 00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:24,110             He said, "Well,                 why don't you come to London    266 00:16:24,110 --> 00:16:26,150           and do some demos?"         267 00:16:48,270 --> 00:16:51,710          For five long years          268 00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:54,150       I thought you were my man     269 00:16:55,830 --> 00:16:59,070            But I found out          270 00:16:59,070 --> 00:17:03,590             I'm just a link                      In your chain            271 00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:07,030                You got me                      Where you want me          272 00:17:07,030 --> 00:17:09,270             I ain't nothin'                      But your fool            273 00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:14,030          You treated me mean        274 00:17:14,070 --> 00:17:17,030        Oh, you treated me cruel     275 00:17:24,350 --> 00:17:26,910      [Mike]   I worked with Sinéad            from her arrival in London     276 00:17:26,910 --> 00:17:29,070        through to the development               of and the recording        277 00:17:29,070 --> 00:17:31,150           of her first album,                 "Lion and the Cobra."        278 00:17:35,150 --> 00:17:37,510        Our job as a sort of group           of musicians from the outset    279 00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:39,790             was to help her                      to find her feet.          280 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:41,830      She'd already found her voice,  281 00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:44,230          but she wanted to find             the sort of musical clothing    282 00:17:44,270 --> 00:17:48,190         that she wanted to wrap              around that amazing voice.     283 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:49,710        [man] What's it called?       284 00:17:49,710 --> 00:17:51,470          Um, we haven't got                   a name for it yet.          285 00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:53,670        [John]   So we went into              a rehearsal studio in Putney    286 00:17:53,670 --> 00:17:55,670               and started                       to routine the songs        287 00:17:55,670 --> 00:17:58,470       and get used to the dynamics               and arrangements.          288 00:17:58,470 --> 00:18:00,990        It makes a big difference                  if you can go in          289 00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:02,550      and rehearse for a long time.    290 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:10,710        Nigel Grange was the head               of Ensign at the time.       291 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:13,230       He was quite used to putting             people into a position       292 00:18:13,230 --> 00:18:16,830          of being able to work                   for long periods.          293 00:18:16,830 --> 00:18:18,230       So he's a kind of nurturer.     294 00:18:19,910 --> 00:18:23,830       I'm just as guilty as you     295 00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:27,310       I'm just as ashamed as you   296 00:18:30,350 --> 00:18:33,190         [John]   The first time                I heard Sinéad's voice,       297 00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:34,830         it's just unbelievable.       298 00:18:34,830 --> 00:18:36,830          It was jumping octaves       299 00:18:36,830 --> 00:18:41,230          and going from whisper             to scream in half a second.     300 00:18:41,230 --> 00:18:43,270       I mean, it was just amazing,    301 00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:46,390         a young kid from Dublin,                     you know.              302 00:18:46,430 --> 00:18:51,710                  And                  303 00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:54,310        I'm just as guilty as you     304 00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:57,270            [sombre music]            305 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:02,990          [Sinéad]   You often                    hear artists saying         306 00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:05,190               that they're                     channelling something.       307 00:19:05,230 --> 00:19:06,990             I think actually                you're channelling yourself.    308 00:19:06,990 --> 00:19:09,590            Your subconscious                     is talking to you.         309 00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:11,270          I just had these songs                      inside me              310 00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:13,630          that had to come out.        311 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:17,070        [John]   They were very,                     very personal            312 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:19,670              and they were                   sort of cathartic, really.     313 00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:22,830         There were kind of songs             to help her, to heal her.      314 00:19:27,310 --> 00:19:29,870       [Mike]   In some respects,            I think the band that we were,  315 00:19:29,910 --> 00:19:31,990          the band of musicians                  who were around her,        316 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:33,910            were something of                     a family for her.          317 00:19:35,470 --> 00:19:36,670              We were safe.            318 00:19:42,550 --> 00:19:46,110       Fachtna O'Ceallaigh had been             Boomtown Rats' manager       319 00:19:46,110 --> 00:19:48,510         and had run U2's label.       320 00:19:48,510 --> 00:19:51,590          He came over to London             and became Sinéad's manager.    321 00:19:51,630 --> 00:19:56,310            [reggae music]            322 00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:58,710      [Sinéad]   I had a great time            hanging out with Fachtna,      323 00:19:58,710 --> 00:20:00,670        and Fachtna used to bring               me to Portobello Road                     on Saturdays,            324 00:20:00,710 --> 00:20:04,350               where he had                 his friend Lepkey, and Leroy.    325 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:06,110             He used to have                the Dread Broadcasting Company  326 00:20:06,110 --> 00:20:07,550       and they had the open mics.     327 00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:14,390           [Sinéad]   Bearing                      in mind I'm Irish          328 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:15,950              and I've come                      from the theocracy,         329 00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:17,470              and these guys                      were coming along          330 00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:19,390          roaring about the Pope                    is the devil,            331 00:20:19,390 --> 00:20:20,990       and fucking burn the Vatican              and all this stuff,         332 00:20:20,990 --> 00:20:22,630            so that was like,                  "Oh, my God, I'm home."       333 00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:24,270          I couldn't believe it.       334 00:20:24,270 --> 00:20:26,550           I fell in love with                   Rasta at that point.        335 00:20:26,590 --> 00:20:28,750            [upbeat music]            336 00:20:33,390 --> 00:20:37,870     Love to everyone. You're back       in tune to The Rankin' Miss P,    337 00:20:37,910 --> 00:20:40,710           on DBC, the Dread                Broadcasting Corporation,      338 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:44,550          103.8 every Friday.         339 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:48,510        We're electric, y'all.        340 00:20:48,550 --> 00:20:51,550          [upbeat drum music]         341 00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:58,750       [John]   She was really shy      342 00:20:58,750 --> 00:21:02,150         and she was living down        in east London with her auntie.    343 00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:05,870         She didn't know anyone,               and so we just hung out.      344 00:21:05,870 --> 00:21:08,310         We did a lot of driving               around London, you know,      345 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:11,310  with the stereo on, just having             a great time actually,       346 00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:12,750      just being kids, to be honest.  347 00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:23,870      [Mike]   Ensign wanted Sinéad            to be a musical commodity.     348 00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:26,190        [Sinéad]   They wanted me                to grow the hair long        349 00:21:26,190 --> 00:21:28,510          and wear short skirts                    and high heels,           350 00:21:28,510 --> 00:21:30,470       makeup and the whole works,     351 00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:32,230        write songs that wouldn't                challenge anything.         352 00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:34,230             But then I come                     from a country where        353 00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:37,310          there used to be riots              in the streets over plays.     354 00:21:38,790 --> 00:21:40,670         That's what art is for.       355 00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:46,990    [Mike]   That led to her deciding         to shave off all her hair.     356 00:21:47,950 --> 00:21:50,830          [mysterious music]          357 00:22:07,230 --> 00:22:09,230     [Clodagh]   At the time, I was            her closest female friend.     358 00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:12,110            I think... I went                    to see some friends,        359 00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:14,150           and when I got back                       to her flat,            360 00:22:14,150 --> 00:22:16,070       she wouldn't open the door.     361 00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:18,110              She just said,                      "I can't, I can't.         362 00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:20,030             You got to look                   through the letter box,       363 00:22:20,030 --> 00:22:21,910           I've done something              and you're going to kill me."    364 00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:23,750      I looked through the letterbox             and there she was          365 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:26,510      with a completely shaved head.  366 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:29,950           [dramatic music]           367 00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:35,030        [John]   The label were                  trying to brand Sinéad       368 00:22:35,030 --> 00:22:38,070        with those really obvious               generic female labels.       369 00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:40,470         Obviously she was having               absolutely none of it.       370 00:22:43,870 --> 00:22:45,550            You just looked at                    somebody and went,         371 00:22:45,550 --> 00:22:47,990            "We know now what                    we're dealing with."        372 00:22:50,110 --> 00:22:53,590        It's a powerful statement           for a woman because she says,    373 00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:54,710          "Don't fuck with me."        374 00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:02,070         [Sinéad]   Me and John                 were friends for a year       375 00:23:02,110 --> 00:23:04,510        before, you know, we ever             went out with each other.      376 00:23:04,550 --> 00:23:06,550          We were both going out                with different people                    and everything.           377 00:23:06,550 --> 00:23:08,110          And then we just kind                  of drifted into it,         378 00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:09,710         and then within a month                   I was pregnant.           379 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:15,430           The record companies                     in those days                     had their own doctors        380 00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:17,550          that they sent you to.       381 00:23:17,550 --> 00:23:20,430        The doctor announces that           the record company have spent    382 00:23:20,430 --> 00:23:22,150        a hundred thousand pounds                making your record,         383 00:23:22,150 --> 00:23:24,350            you owe it to them                  not to have this baby.       384 00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:28,550          [Mike]   Ensign tried                     to dissuade her           385 00:23:28,550 --> 00:23:32,870      from carrying on the pregnancy         and giving birth to Jake,      386 00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:37,550           and thankfully, she               obviously stood her ground,     387 00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:41,190               but they did                      put pressure on her               to terminate the pregnancy.     388 00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:45,070           [Sinéad]   That was                  the final straw for me.       389 00:23:45,070 --> 00:23:47,270            I was sick of the                   fuckin' record anyway.       390 00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:48,430       I hated the fuckin' record.     391 00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:53,710  [Mike]   There was a big fallout.    392 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:57,070           Fachtna O'Ceallaigh                  was working very hard        393 00:23:57,070 --> 00:24:00,110          to persuade the label                to just give her scope,       394 00:24:00,110 --> 00:24:02,070           to just change tack.        395 00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:05,190           Basically they said,                      "Have a go."            396 00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:07,070         [Sinéad]   In my part,                it was a response to them      397 00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:09,430       telling me I owe it to them               to not have my baby.        398 00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:10,750             And I was like,                   "well, it ain't worth it      399 00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:13,230       for a shit fuckin' record."     400 00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:16,270        I just knew that I didn't              want any man telling me       401 00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:19,630      who I could be or what I could         be or what to sound like.      402 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:21,470               I came from                      a patriarchal country        403 00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:23,670           where I'm being told             everything I can and can't do    404 00:24:23,670 --> 00:24:25,750           because I'm a girl.         405 00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:28,070                I figured,                      well, if I didn't take                  it from the system         406 00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:29,830            and I didn't take                     it from my daddy,          407 00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:31,710            I ain't taking it                     from anybody else.         408 00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:33,270             Can I do two?            409 00:24:34,350 --> 00:24:36,710               [humming]              410 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,070          [John]   The whole of                 "The Lion and the Cobra"      411 00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:49,310         was completely scrapped                and we started again.        412 00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:52,430       That was a really important          turning point in that record.    413 00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:57,550  The second version was fresher,           younger, and spontaneous.      414 00:24:57,550 --> 00:24:59,270          Put your hands on me       415 00:24:59,270 --> 00:25:05,030          Put 'em on, put 'em on                  Put 'em on me            416 00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:13,910           Hands, gimme love         417 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:23,190           Hands, gimme those        418 00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:28,790              I want your            419 00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:30,270               Gimme, yes            420 00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:35,710               Gimme this            421 00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:40,950         [Sinéad]   When we got                  the first album cover,       422 00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:43,150        I was frozen like a rabbit                in the headlights          423 00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:44,390        getting my picture taken.      424 00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:49,750       Put on the album and got me      to scream along with the album.    425 00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:51,110              So that's why                   there's the picture of me      426 00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:52,750        looks like I'm screaming,      427 00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:54,270           which they wouldn't                      use in America           428 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:55,590            because it was too                    aggressive-looking         429 00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:57,990      as far as they were concerned.  430 00:25:58,030 --> 00:25:59,390        [Kate]   I didn't realize                that they'd have to do       431 00:25:59,430 --> 00:26:01,310       a different one for America.    432 00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:02,910       It was only when it came out                 and I thought,           433 00:26:02,910 --> 00:26:04,670             "Yeah, of course                     they couldn't have         434 00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:06,430       a picture of her screaming."    435 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:09,510           You know, that would                 scare too many people.       436 00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:11,790           I had to photograph                    her for the cover          437 00:26:11,790 --> 00:26:14,310          from the shoulders up        438 00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:16,430        because the record company              didn't want to see her                      pregnant.              439 00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:18,230       Once we had got the pictures    440 00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:21,030               that we knew                   the record company needed,     441 00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:23,710       we just did what we wanted.     442 00:26:23,710 --> 00:26:26,150            It was, you know,                    a joy to photograph         443 00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:28,750        this little girl with her            bald head and her big belly,    444 00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:31,710             amazing looking.          445 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:35,390     [Peaches]   I think her image            screamed more than feminism,    446 00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:37,110       beyond feminism at the time.    447 00:26:37,150 --> 00:26:40,910           I think it was just                     like non-binary,          448 00:26:40,910 --> 00:26:46,310        incredible intersectional                 feminist attitude.         449 00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:51,070        Her fashion sense was like           35 years ahead of the time.     450 00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:56,070       [Maybury]   People found it              problematic just because      451 00:26:56,070 --> 00:27:00,230        they read the language of           skinhead into the shaved head.  452 00:27:00,230 --> 00:27:03,150            It suggested some                    kind of aggression,         453 00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:05,390         but actually the beauty                   of her features,          454 00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:07,030         the quality of her eyes,      455 00:27:07,030 --> 00:27:10,910          it created a fantastic                    contradiction.           456 00:27:10,910 --> 00:27:13,670         As a filmmaker, gave me            a very graphic, powerful image  457 00:27:13,670 --> 00:27:16,270             from the get-go.          458 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:17,870       [Sinéad]   Anytime I worked                 with John Maybury,         459 00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:19,390              it was amazing                      'cos he came with          460 00:27:19,390 --> 00:27:22,470               a whole gang                      of glorious queens.         461 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:27,110        The set makers, stylists,            the makeup people, you know,    462 00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:31,190              and they like                      genuinely adored me.        463 00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:34,110          [audience cheering]         464 00:27:39,550 --> 00:27:42,310              I felt so safe                      and looked after.          465 00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:44,070          I felt like I had like                  a hundred daddies.         466 00:27:46,670 --> 00:27:49,550            [relaxed music]           467 00:27:49,550 --> 00:27:53,630                You do                 468 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:57,550            Something to me          469 00:28:01,030 --> 00:28:04,190       [Maybury]   She recognized               in us kind of a sense of      470 00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:07,830       some kind of kindred spirit,          but there was no judgement.     471 00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:11,430         There was no critiquing            in any kind of personal terms.  472 00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:14,470        And she was free to be who           she wanted to be within that    473 00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:18,670      because everyone else was free        to be who they wanted to be.    474 00:28:18,670 --> 00:28:21,750         [Sinéad]   I had never,                until I went to London,                   seen gay people.          475 00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:24,070          They were so inspiring                 and still are to me,        476 00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:26,470         especially the ones that             were dressing like women.      477 00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:30,110               You couldn't                      do that in Ireland.         478 00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:31,710        You'd have the shit kicked              out of you, you know?        479 00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:38,190               Let me live                      'neath your spell          480 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:42,270           Do do that voodoo           481 00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:45,910          That you do so well        482 00:28:47,550 --> 00:28:52,430              For you do               483 00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:56,630            Something to me          484 00:28:56,670 --> 00:29:01,030           That nobody else            485 00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:06,590                 Can do              486 00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:11,630           That nobody else            487 00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:19,070                 Can do              488 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:21,670           [crowd cheering]           489 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:31,110         Why I like performing             and why I like singing loud     490 00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:33,230    and stuff like that is because    491 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:36,870          I am quietly spoken                and quite withdrawn...        492 00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:40,350           and into myself,                    and in my, sort of,                     normal life,             493 00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:43,670        so it's quite a release               to climb on the stage               and scream for an hour.       494 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:47,350          At the end of my day       495 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:49,230             Nothing would           496 00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:53,270              Nothing would                      Please me better          497 00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:58,790   Than I find that you're there                 When I wake             498 00:30:01,110 --> 00:30:05,110              Just like you                      Said it would be          499 00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:07,710              Just like you                      Said it would be          500 00:30:09,670 --> 00:30:11,950              Just like you                      Said it would be          501 00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:16,550              Just like you                      Said it would be          502 00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:22,390         Will you be my lover?       503 00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:26,150          Will you be my mama?       504 00:30:26,150 --> 00:30:29,950                  I said                       Will you my my mama?        505 00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:34,910       [Sinéad]   There are a lot              of songs that I've written     506 00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:38,270         about my mother's death             or in response to her death.    507 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:40,590          And "    Troy,"   I think                   was the first one.         508 00:30:42,270 --> 00:30:44,270         It's also the first song                     I've wrote             509 00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:46,950        where I'm telling anybody       about anything that's happened.    510 00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:48,950            I'll remember it         511 00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:55,390         Dublin in a rainstorm       512 00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:59,830               And sitting                 In the long grass in summer     513 00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:03,070            Keeping warm...          514 00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:04,670             One of the very                       traumatic things          515 00:31:04,670 --> 00:31:06,430  that happened to me growing up,    516 00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:08,390            was that my mother               had me living in the garden.    517 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:10,230            So once when I was                    eight-and-a-half,          518 00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:14,950          I lived in the garden                24/7 for a week or two.       519 00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:17,470         I'm talking in that song               about that experience,       520 00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:19,550        the whole thing of sitting           in the long grass in summer     521 00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:22,390           trying to keep warm.        522 00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:24,510         So I'm out in the garden                in the fucking dark         523 00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:26,310       and when it's coming to dusk             and I still hate dusk        524 00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:28,230        to this day, I don't mind               if it's day or night,        525 00:31:28,270 --> 00:31:30,790         but dusk, I don't like.       526 00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:32,790          And I'd be looking up                   at the only window         527 00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,950         at the side of the house            where she'd have a light on     528 00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:37,470          and I'd be screaming,               begging her to let me in.      529 00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:39,070       And she wouldn't let me in,             the light would go off,       530 00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:40,750            the house go dark.         531 00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:46,150       Every other song I'm writing             is about somebody else       532 00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:47,830        or from the point of view                 of somebody else.          533 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:50,350       "Troy"   is the first song                I've written about me.       534 00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:54,110             It's not a song,                 it's a fucking testament.      535 00:31:56,950 --> 00:32:00,230            And you should've                   Left the light on          536 00:32:00,230 --> 00:32:04,590              You should've                     Left the light on          537 00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:09,470        Then I wouldn't have tried            You'd never have known       538 00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:16,150           And I wouldn't have                  Pulled you tighter         539 00:32:16,150 --> 00:32:20,190           No, I wouldn't have                   Pulled you close          540 00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:21,630        I wouldn't have screamed     541 00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:25,030         No, I can't let you go      542 00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:28,110        If the door wasn't closed   543 00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:31,990           No, I wouldn't have                   Pulled you to me          544 00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:36,070        No, I wouldn't have kissed                  Your face              545 00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:38,830            You wouldn't have                 Begged me to hold you        546 00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:43,390         If we hadn't been there                In the first place         547 00:32:43,390 --> 00:32:48,870            Oh, but I know you                Wanted me to be there        548 00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:52,310                 Oh, oh              549 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:57,750                Every look                  That you threw told me so      550 00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:02,950          "Troy"   is not safe.         551 00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:04,670               I don't need                     to dig that up again.        552 00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:06,110        It's like trauma therapy.      553 00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:10,230           There would've been                     no point writing          554 00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:12,550           and/or going around               the world screaming    "Troy"     555 00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:14,670        into microphones, if there           wasn't going to come a day,     556 00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:17,030          one day that I didn't                need to do that anymore.      557 00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:24,630            Make no difference                     What you say            558 00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:26,550          You're still a liar        559 00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:30,550          You're still a liar        560 00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:35,750          You're still a liar        561 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:44,750           [crowd cheering]           562 00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:51,630      [John]   Sinéad was pregnant               all through the making       563 00:33:51,670 --> 00:33:53,270       of "The Lion and the Cobra."    564 00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:55,310           And I think in many                     ways, actually,           565 00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:58,710          it was quite grounding              to have a baby very young.     566 00:33:58,710 --> 00:34:01,910         In some way, I think it                probably kept us sane.       567 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:08,110        There's nothing more deep               and real than a baby.        568 00:34:08,150 --> 00:34:09,990         And there's nothing more                fake and unimportant        569 00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:13,230            than fame, really.         570 00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:15,150      Dana Dane making her first         appearance on   Top of the Pops.    571 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:17,110      Here's another lady making              her first appearance.        572 00:34:17,110 --> 00:34:18,670        She's got an excellent             new album out at the moment     573 00:34:18,670 --> 00:34:20,230           called   "The Lion                       and the Cobra",           574 00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:22,550         and a single   Mandinka                at 22 in the charts.         575 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:24,390       This is Sinéad O'Connor.       576 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:26,630           [crowd cheering]           577 00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:28,390     [Clodagh]   I remember watching    578 00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:30,110                Sinéad on                        Top of the Pops.           579 00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:32,710          It's just seemed quite                surreal to be honest,        580 00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:34,830  because she was just my friend,    581 00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:39,510      but she was this other person            in other people's eyes.       582 00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:44,790   I'm dancing the seven veils     583 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:48,790           Want you to pick up                       My scarf              584 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:52,550                 See how                       The black moon fades        585 00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:56,350           Soon I can give you                       My heart              586 00:34:59,030 --> 00:35:01,230             [vocalizing]             587 00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:12,790         I don't know no shame       588 00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:14,150             I feel no pain          589 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:18,950         I can't see the flame       590 00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:25,870         But I do know Mandinka      591 00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:33,990           I do know Mandinka        592 00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:41,470           I do know Mandinka        593 00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:45,350                  I do               594 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:50,710        [John]   When   "Mandinka"                     was released,            595 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:52,550            it just jumps out                       of the radio,                   it was one of those songs.     596 00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:57,790                Oh, oh, oh                          Oh, oh, oh             597 00:35:57,790 --> 00:36:02,670            I do, oh, oh, oh         598 00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:09,670              I said I do            599 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:15,030            I swear I do...          600 00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:16,830        [John Grant]   You know,                   it was almost like                she had always been there      601 00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:19,350        once she came on the scene                because you really         602 00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:21,910        couldn't imagine your life            without her at that point.     603 00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:26,070            I do Mandinka...         604 00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:29,910  [John Grant]   I heard    "Mandinka"   at a club in Boulder, Colorado.    605 00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:32,470         I just remember hearing              the voice and it's nothing     606 00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:36,110           other than something             that stops you in your tracks.  607 00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:38,470             Soon I can give                     You my heart...           608 00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:41,870    [John Grant]   I hear that voice             and I feel comforted.        609 00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:50,630           [crowd cheering]           610 00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:52,510         [John Grant]   And that                    first album, like,        611 00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:55,390             the entire thing                     was just stunning.         612 00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:58,950        Telling me he'd be home      613 00:36:58,990 --> 00:37:02,630             Sailed the seas                   For a hundred years         614 00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:07,710          Leaving me all alone       615 00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:10,790    [Bill] "The Lion and the Cobra"            was an amazing album        616 00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:13,190            just because there                   was no filler on it.        617 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:14,910             So as a critic,                    you know, that was one                 of the first things         618 00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:16,870           that drew me to it.         619 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:19,990           She also has a very              singular voice and perspective  620 00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:23,870             and very strong                      personality-wise.          621 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:25,710            To me, it was like                    the whole package.         622 00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:28,110            I remember the day                  The young man came         623 00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:31,830       He said, "Your Jackie's gone         We got lost in the rain"      624 00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:35,070         And I ran to the beach      625 00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:36,910          And laid me down...        626 00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:39,150       [Elaine]   The thing about           "The Lion and the Cobra"   is,     627 00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:42,510          you don't get that as                a debut album every day.      628 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:45,470            Those things come                  like once in a lifetime.      629 00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:47,070       Like the back of his hand     630 00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:49,990         He'll be back sometime      631 00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:52,070           Laughing at you...        632 00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:53,870     [interviewer]   And many times              in your performances,        633 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:56,670     there's an intensity, almost         a rage burning inside of you.    634 00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:58,190      Where does that come from?      635 00:37:58,230 --> 00:38:00,670        You're a small, demure,               quiet sort of person.        636 00:38:00,670 --> 00:38:02,270             I don't know.            637 00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:03,590       Perhaps there's something                twisted about me           638 00:38:03,590 --> 00:38:06,190     that I haven't realized yet.     639 00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:08,830         You've also said that           non-traditional Irish musicians  640 00:38:08,830 --> 00:38:12,470         seem to have to leave                 Ireland to make it.         641 00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:15,630           If you're a woman                in particular, and unless      642 00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:18,830       you're very sort of timid              and you want to make         643 00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:21,630           nice Irish music,             which I respect and everything,  644 00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:23,430      life can be very difficult             for you because people        645 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:26,270     can't actually handle a woman          doing anything different.      646 00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:34,230          When I leave Ireland,               it's virtually unheard of      647 00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:36,630            for a woman to be                   making her own living        648 00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:38,710         and independent of men.       649 00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:45,030      The Irish fucking constitution         still contains the wording     650 00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:47,070           that a woman's place                    is in the home.           651 00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:51,630      So I was very lucky, from 1985        I was making my own living.     652 00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:54,670  So many people in this country,              women in particular,        653 00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:58,830      had to say no when they wanted         to say yes to themselves,      654 00:38:58,870 --> 00:39:01,710      or be open about their anger.    655 00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:04,830      At that time in Ireland, women        weren't allowed to be angry.    656 00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:06,670        And I think that might've             been hard for some of them     657 00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:08,670            because, you know,          they had spent their whole life    658 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:10,390         saying no to themselves.      659 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:13,070            [women singing]           660 00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:22,470       [man]   Tonight, the Grammy               awards are presenting        661 00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:24,990             best rock vocal                     performance female.         662 00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:27,070           Our first performer                     is 21 years old,          663 00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:29,310            comes from Ireland              and with her very first album,  664 00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:31,670       "The Lion and the Cobra",               she has served notice        665 00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:33,510                that this                       is no ordinary talent.       666 00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:36,030          Ladies and gentlemen,              please meet Sinéad O'Connor.    667 00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:37,710     [crowd cheering and clapping]    668 00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:55,670   I'm dancing the seven veils     669 00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:59,430           Want you to pick up                       My scarf              670 00:39:59,430 --> 00:40:03,310                 See how                       The black moon fades        671 00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:06,990                Soon I can                     Give you my heart...        672 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:08,910     [John]   I remember talking to          her the next day and she said,  673 00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:12,230           "Oh, my God, I went                on stage and Stevie Wonder     674 00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:14,870      was sitting in the front row."  675 00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:18,790               And we were                      Stevie Wonder freaks.        676 00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:21,390        So this was quite a leap,                     you know.              677 00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:23,750         I don't know no shame       678 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:25,270             I feel no pain          679 00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:30,150         I can't see the flame       680 00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:37,750        But I do know Man-din-ka     681 00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:42,150          [Sinéad]   You know,           you're there and you're looking    682 00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:43,910           at all these people                   that you've watched                    on the television          683 00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:45,710        and there's people like          Quincy Jones and Stevie Wonder    684 00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:47,350    and I was just like... [gasps]    685 00:40:47,350 --> 00:40:51,150         I do know Mandinka...       686 00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:53,350           As I sang Mandinka,                 I had "Jake's baby girl"      687 00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:55,870         on the back of my pants                      and I had                     Public Enemy logo painted      688 00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:57,750        into the side of my head.      689 00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,030            They decided they                wouldn't go to the Grammy's     690 00:41:00,030 --> 00:41:02,390          quite rightly because                 they were protesting.        691 00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:08,710         [Chuck D]   I protested                  the Grammy's in 1989        692 00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:10,710           because they refused                      to recognize            693 00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:12,630          rap music and hip-hop        694 00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:15,110             as a legitimate                      musical category.          695 00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:17,710             I thought it was                       like admirable           696 00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:21,030               when she put                     the Public Enemy logo                      on her head.            697 00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:23,190          With Sinéad O'Connor,                you didn't get the sense      698 00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:24,870               that she was                    just being pretentious,       699 00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:26,550            that she was fake.         700 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:28,070            It was like, yeah,         701 00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:30,790              she seriously                     has issues with this.        702 00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:33,030           This is what's going                 to drive her artistry,       703 00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:34,390         she's committed to that.      704 00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:42,910     [crowd cheering and clapping]    705 00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:45,510               [Elaine]                It was a brilliant performance.    706 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:47,750          At that point, she was               the darling of everyone.      707 00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:54,870               [Sinéad]                       In one way, I loved it.       708 00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:57,270             Obviously I was                      a very young woman         709 00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:00,030        and you kind of fantasize                about being famous.         710 00:42:00,070 --> 00:42:03,630             In another way,                   I was frightened by it.       711 00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:06,030         What maybe was difficult               for me was the timing        712 00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:07,990          of the success thing,              it meant that I suddenly had    713 00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:12,070        this identity and I didn't           feel like it was really me.     714 00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:15,790         To be honest, I also had              very little self-esteem.      715 00:42:15,830 --> 00:42:18,710        I couldn't understand why              anyone liked my records.      716 00:42:22,350 --> 00:42:24,910            Let me tell you                  how stupid I am. Um...        717 00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:26,990                 Okay.                718 00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:28,790         We were sitting here                 doing this interview         719 00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:31,510      and I had accepted the fact           that your head was shaved      720 00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:34,190         and didn't even think                 about it very much.         721 00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:36,510     Well, that's good, that means       we don't have to talk about it.  722 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:38,550          I know, but I see,                everybody else in America      723 00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:40,310       is looking at me saying,       724 00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:42,630    "Why doesn't that idiot ask her        why her head is shaved?"       725 00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:44,870         So now I'm doing it.         726 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:47,910      I just cut my hair because            I wanted to cut my hair,                     you know?              727 00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:50,110         It's like, you know,              I wear red knickers one day     728 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:52,470        because I want to wear               red knickers, you know?       729 00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:54,310      And then black another day.     730 00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:55,950        We wouldn't call those           knickers though, we'd call it--  731 00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:57,750                 -No.                       -[mellow acoustic guitar]      732 00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:09,910         [John]   We got married               at the spiritualist centre                 in Sloane Square          733 00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:13,070          and we'd been going to            the spiritualist centre a lot    734 00:43:13,070 --> 00:43:15,630            because obviously,                   Sinéad lost her mom,        735 00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:17,830      I'd lost my dad and a sister.    736 00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:20,070             And we were kind                     of trying to make          737 00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:23,830          some kind of spiritual               connections if we could.      738 00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:26,430             It was a sort of                 a therapy for us in a way.     739 00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:29,950      We had an amazing time there,            so we got married there.      740 00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:31,710            It was brilliant,                    it was a great day.         741 00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:35,870            [music playing]           742 00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:48,670      [Margo]   In 1989, we filmed            Hush-a-Bye Baby   in Derry.      743 00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:51,270            And it was in that                   film   Hush-a-Bye Baby        744 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:53,710             that Sinéad made                     her acting debut.          745 00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:57,270         She came over with John.      746 00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:59,710      She was fairly newly married,                    I think.              747 00:43:59,710 --> 00:44:01,710               She brought                      her little son, Jake,        748 00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:04,270          who was just a toddler                    at that stage.           749 00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:08,790        Of course, I only have                eyes for Lecce Loves.        750 00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:11,750             [both laugh]             751 00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:15,910        [both scream and laugh]       752 00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:18,830        Jesus Christ, Nigella.        753 00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:21,230            We'll be barred                 and it'll be your fault.       754 00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:23,710         Sloppy tit, going on                about what's his face.        755 00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:31,350        [Margo]   We were trying              to contribute to the debate     756 00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:35,070       that was raging in Ireland at       the time about abortion rights  757 00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:38,350          and women's sexuality                     and how women                      were being treated.         758 00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:40,310           And I think she had                exactly the same feelings      759 00:44:40,350 --> 00:44:43,430          like so many thousands                   of other women,           760 00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:46,830         especially young women.       761 00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:49,790          [Sinéad]   It's about                a 15-year-old school girl                 who gets pregnant          762 00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:53,470          and about the obvious                  trauma and awfulness        763 00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:55,470          that she goes through                  because of the fact         764 00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:57,470       that she's pregnant and the           fact that teenage pregnancy     765 00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:59,670        is just the worst thing            that could possibly happen      766 00:44:59,670 --> 00:45:02,550        and people aren't very           supportive about it in general.  767 00:45:02,590 --> 00:45:05,310          And girls are made               to feel as if they're sluts     768 00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:08,310         and they're some sort                 of whore, you know,         769 00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:10,190      for sleeping with somebody              and things like that.        770 00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:11,990         And because of things                   like the church           771 00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:14,670      and the contraceptive laws           and all that sort of thing      772 00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:15,750        and the abortion laws.        773 00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:25,350      [Margo]   In the 80s and 90s                   and obviously                    the decades before that,      774 00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:28,950            women were treated                  abominably in Ireland.       775 00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:34,870        Women's lives were patrolled   and investigated and surveilled    776 00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:39,070            and tampered with                every minute of their lives.    777 00:45:39,110 --> 00:45:40,750            It was appalling.          778 00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:43,710           [women chanting]           779 00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:47,710          [Roísín]   There was                  a sense of being in this      780 00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:49,830          little backward place,                      you know,              781 00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,790          where the light wasn't               really shining brightly       782 00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:53,870             and you couldn't                     get contraception,         783 00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:57,870        you couldn't get condoms,              so this was a big issue.      784 00:45:57,870 --> 00:46:01,150        You didn't talk about sex                 and you certainly                didn't talk about abortion.     785 00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:06,670  [man] It's quite a similar story         to your own, isn't it?        786 00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:08,470                  No.                 787 00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:10,630         [man] You had a baby               when you were very young.      788 00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:14,870      Last time you told me that          there were certain attitudes                  in Ireland.             789 00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:16,550          Yeah, except I had                  a baby when I was 20         790 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:18,550      and I was living in London             and I had enough money        791 00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:20,990            to get a nanny                    and I had a boyfriend               who was living with me        792 00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:23,110        and I wasn't in school.       793 00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:27,710      And I was in a society that        doesn't look down on pregnancy    794 00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:29,630       as much as Ireland does.       795 00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:33,590  So I don't think you can compare       that to a 15-year-old girl      796 00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:36,630           who has no money              and no boyfriend and no support  797 00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:38,070             from anybody,                    you know what I mean?        798 00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:41,670       I think I was in very...                nice circumstances          799 00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:44,030       compared to those girls.       800 00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:47,270         [rock music playing]         801 00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:56,910              It seems years                Since you held the baby...     802 00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:58,630        [Sinéad]   When you put                  your first album out,        803 00:46:58,670 --> 00:47:00,470         you don't really expect                 anything to happen.         804 00:47:00,470 --> 00:47:03,070  You don't have any expectations            in you when you do that.      805 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:07,030           You're not aware                    of the whole world          806 00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:08,910        of goodies and baddies        807 00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:11,350           to be discovered.          808 00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:14,630        And I remember I was quite      taken aback by the whole thing,    809 00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:17,590         amused at the idea of me                 sitting and doing                     press conferences          810 00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:18,710           and things like that                  because it was just         811 00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:21,710        like completely ludicrous.     812 00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:23,710          You know, at the time                   that I had my baby         813 00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:25,790      and put my album out I was 20,  814 00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:28,150        which was extremely young.     815 00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:31,630           And now I'm 23 which                is still extremely young      816 00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:36,230       and I'm still developing                 my "personality",                   in inverted commas.         817 00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:39,270        And I'm still discovering                things about myself         818 00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:41,430      and about the world, you know?  819 00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:44,670             So naturally,                I'm not going to be the same     820 00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:46,150        as I was when I was 20.       821 00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:51,830    [John]   When the album   "I Do Not        Want What I Haven't Got",      822 00:47:51,830 --> 00:47:56,310         was finished, we took it            into Nigel Grange in Ensign     823 00:47:56,350 --> 00:47:59,310        and he said, "This is like           reading somebody's diaries.     824 00:47:59,350 --> 00:48:01,310         I'm not putting it out."      825 00:48:01,310 --> 00:48:03,230            Sinéad just said,                     "Well, that's it,"         826 00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:05,990         you know, end of story.       827 00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:07,670           Didn't compromise it                      in any way.             828 00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:12,710          Well, I am far more                  proud of this album         829 00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:14,270      than I was of the last one.     830 00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:16,390         I feel that it's much                more truly reflective        831 00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:18,110     of me than the last one was.     832 00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:19,470           And I've had much                 more involvement in it        833 00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:20,550      than I had in the last one.     834 00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:25,230      [Maybury]   The way she grew                   in confidence            835 00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:26,830           was something else.         836 00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:32,110  She's a powerful, sexual being.    837 00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:36,990         I think she was enjoying           playing with the gender roles,  838 00:48:36,990 --> 00:48:38,910          the kind of toughness                 of the leather jacket        839 00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:42,030        and the toughness of denim             or the Dr. Martin boots       840 00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:46,310       or whatever it was that she            was bringing at the time.      841 00:48:46,350 --> 00:48:48,830              There's always                 still this beautiful woman,     842 00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:50,430      beautiful girl inside of that.  843 00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:53,510            So she was playing                   with gender herself.        844 00:48:57,830 --> 00:49:03,030          She came to understand                  the nature of what                      we were doing            845 00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:05,470        with pop videos and also,           obviously, at a certain point    846 00:49:05,470 --> 00:49:09,990      with a certain video, we came          to understand just how much     847 00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:13,790         the videos could change             the perception of the music     848 00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:15,150          and her as a musician.       849 00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:32,270          [John] "The Nothing                Compares To You"   video,       850 00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:35,870          she came back with all                 the rushes on a VHS         851 00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:38,030         and we've stuck it into                  the video machine,                    I was watching it.         852 00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:41,110        And that's when I thought,              "Wow, this is really,        853 00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:42,710             really special."          854 00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:50,030      [Jerry]   The video was shot           both in studio and it was shot  855 00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:53,750         in the Parc Saint-Cloud,              which is this beautiful       856 00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:56,950            18th-century park                   just outside of Paris.       857 00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:05,910        The extraordinary close-up                work that John did         858 00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:09,310      with the lighting camerawoman,           Dominique Le Rigoleur,       859 00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:13,150        who we chose particularly             because we wanted a female     860 00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:17,710         to create a relationship           between Sinéad and the camera.  861 00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:24,230            [gentle music]            862 00:50:24,270 --> 00:50:26,350               [Maybury]                         In between takes,          863 00:50:26,350 --> 00:50:30,030        Sinéad would click on some           really heavy duty dub reggae    864 00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:32,750          and light up a spliff,                    and be bopping                      around the studio.         865 00:50:36,070 --> 00:50:38,750         We weren't in a kind of              particularly sombre mood.      866 00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:44,510         Looking into my monitor,              looking down that lens,       867 00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:48,390            I saw right there,                  this connection coming                  down the camera...         868 00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:51,670         It was like, "Oh, okay,       869 00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:54,550      this is really something else.  870 00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:57,590          It's not my direction,             it's not the cinematography,    871 00:50:57,590 --> 00:50:59,150           it's entirely her."         872 00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:04,310         [Sinéad]   If you don't        873 00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:06,710           identify emotionally         with a song, you can't sing it.    874 00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:29,350           I didn't know I was                  gonna cry singing it.        875 00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:30,990       I didn't cry in the studio,     876 00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:32,590           it was just because                   of the big eye on me        877 00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:34,270         in the form of a camera.      878 00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:41,630       Every time I sing the song,              I think of my mother.        879 00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:46,910          I never stopped crying              for my mother for, Jesus,      880 00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:50,150          I couldn't face being                in Ireland for 13 years.      881 00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:53,510        I never even called home,           I just cut myself off entirely  882 00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:57,750       but it took me, I would say,            25 years to stop crying.      883 00:51:57,790 --> 00:52:01,070      So yeah, I was thinking of her        and I suppose my subconscious  884 00:52:01,070 --> 00:52:03,750               was thinking                      of that little girl                 that sat in the garden.       885 00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:11,510         I think it's funny that            the world fell in love with me  886 00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:13,790      because of crying and a tear.    887 00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:15,470      I went and did a lot of crying  888 00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:16,670         and everybody was like,                "Oh, you crazy bitch,"       889 00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:18,710          but actually, hold on.       890 00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:20,670          You fell in love with             that tear, that was a mirror.    891 00:52:26,110 --> 00:52:29,030          [audience clapping]         892 00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:32,550     Sit yourself down, well done.    893 00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:35,030         -The hair is growing!                 -Just a little bit.         894 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:36,910     Just a little bit, a wee bit.    895 00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:38,430           How are you then?          896 00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:40,110      I'm grand, I'm a bit tired,                 but I'm fine.            897 00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:41,750       A little bit tired, yeah.                 So we're told.            898 00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:43,430       Good to see you. Will you            be number one on Monday?       899 00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:44,710        I don't know, you know.       900 00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:47,150           [audience cheers]          901 00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:48,830         You're all very kind.        902 00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:49,910            I don't want to                    count my chickens.          903 00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:52,150         You know what I mean?        904 00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:54,670        Half of me sorta says,                 oh, well, you know,         905 00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:56,190           it doesn't really                   make a difference,          906 00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:57,870          but then the other                 half is sort of going,        907 00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:59,790       -oh, please, God, please.              -[audience laughing]         908 00:52:59,790 --> 00:53:01,510    It would be nice, wouldn't it?    909 00:53:01,550 --> 00:53:02,950         We shouldn't even be                 thinking about this.         910 00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:03,990           Shouldn't even be                thinking about it, okay.       911 00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:05,750          When will you know?         912 00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:07,830             Ten to three                     on Sunday afternoon.         913 00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:11,030          [audience laughing]         914 00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:13,310          But I've got to try                not to think about it.        915 00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:15,030                [John]                       The song went number one,      916 00:53:15,070 --> 00:53:18,070         everywhere in the world                     pretty much.            917 00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:20,070             Then everything                      changed overnight.         918 00:53:20,110 --> 00:53:23,910         And the winner is...                   Sinéad O'Connor.           919 00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:26,110           -Sinéad O'Connor.                    -Sinéad O'Connor.          920 00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:29,430          [audience cheering]         921 00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:30,510  I don't really know what to say,  922 00:53:30,510 --> 00:53:31,790      except thank you very much.     923 00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:34,710           You know, peace.           924 00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:37,310            [upbeat music]            925 00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:41,310      [man]   It's Sinéad O'Connor.     926 00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:45,150                Sinéad,                      "Nothing Compares To You."     927 00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:49,670      [Claire]   The level of when            "Nothing Compares To You"      928 00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:51,430  became a hit was extraordinary.    929 00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:53,030       It really was off the scale.    930 00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:56,190        She was the biggest thing.     931 00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:57,630       I mean you think of artists              like Billie Eilish now       932 00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:59,910            or Amy Winehouse,          933 00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:02,430          you know that level of               intensity that's on you.      934 00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:06,950      And also if you're incredibly              iconic in your look         935 00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:08,950              and your style                      and your passion,          936 00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:10,710            then there's a lot                     of focus on you.          937 00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:18,510       I didn't realize how huge         the single and the album were.    938 00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:20,150           I really didn't.           939 00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:21,590         And I looked in some                magazine the other day        940 00:54:21,630 --> 00:54:24,030           and it said that                    the record had been         941 00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:27,310        something like the fourth             biggest record in America,     942 00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:28,830          I nearly dropped dead.       943 00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:30,630             I didn't have                     the slightest idea.         944 00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:32,870          [Marco]   The single               went to number one in America.  945 00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:35,670      She was suddenly a major act.    946 00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:38,310          [audience cheering]         947 00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:40,870             [rock music]             948 00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:44,790                 Hello!              949 00:54:47,590 --> 00:54:49,990      The tour got bigger and bigger            instead of theatres,        950 00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:53,590            we got into arenas                      and stadiums.            951 00:54:53,590 --> 00:54:55,430       [singing and rock music]       952 00:54:55,470 --> 00:54:58,510           It seems like years               Since you held the baby       953 00:54:58,510 --> 00:55:01,830   While I wrecked the bedroom     954 00:55:01,870 --> 00:55:05,990             You said it was                  Dangerous after Sunday       955 00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:09,110       And I knew you loved me...   956 00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:11,390          [Marco]   She seemed               to take it all in her stride.    957 00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:13,790           There were some days               when she was sort of like,     958 00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:16,990        "Oh, this is a bit much,"                  most of the time                  she seemed to enjoy it.       959 00:55:16,990 --> 00:55:18,590           There was obviously                    a feeling of like,         960 00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:20,190            "Oh, well, this is                   going to be great."         961 00:55:20,190 --> 00:55:21,790  It was going to be good anyway,    962 00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:23,350            but this is going                     to be really good.         963 00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:25,990            [drums playing]           964 00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:39,150              I am stretched                      On your grave            965 00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:44,430       And will lie there forever   966 00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:49,550       If your hands were in mine   967 00:55:49,550 --> 00:55:54,310       I'd be sure we'd not sever   968 00:55:57,230 --> 00:56:03,590              My apple tree                       My brightness            969 00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:09,030       It's time we were together   970 00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:17,750        For I smell of the earth     971 00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:23,670               And am worn                      By the weather...          972 00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:25,670         [Marco]   About halfway                   through the tour,          973 00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:27,790      we did a place in New Jersey.    974 00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:29,870        It was an open air venue.      975 00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:32,230             For some reason,          976 00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:33,790  they always played the National          Anthem before the main act.     977 00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:34,910            Sinéad got to hear                    about it, and said         978 00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:37,350             "There's no way.          979 00:56:37,350 --> 00:56:39,670          I'm not going on stage                     if you play                      the National Anthem."        980 00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:42,870          So there was a bit of                      an argument                        between management         981 00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:45,070       and management of the venue,    982 00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:46,950             but in the end,                     the venue relented,                        they said,             983 00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:48,270            "Alright, alright.                       If you don't                        want it played,           984 00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:50,710            we won't play it."         985 00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:52,710              And I thought,                   "Oh, this is going to be               everywhere tomorrow."        986 00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:55,830         Going down to breakfast,            you hear the immortal words.    987 00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:58,190            "Oh, God, have you                    seen the papers?"          988 00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:03,630          [newsreader]   First,                      the explosion,                      then the fallout.          989 00:57:03,630 --> 00:57:06,070    Hi, 95.5 PLJ, it's Fast Jimmy,    990 00:57:06,070 --> 00:57:09,070           and you will hear                   no Sinéad O'Connor                 on this radio station.        991 00:57:09,070 --> 00:57:11,110          [newsreader]   Sinéad                 O'Connor is being shaved      992 00:57:11,110 --> 00:57:13,630        from the airwaves because                of a recent refusal         993 00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:16,830          to perform in concert                 if the National Anthem                     was played.             994 00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:18,910          With American soldiers                   on foreign soil           995 00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:20,550           poised for conflict,        996 00:57:20,590 --> 00:57:22,910          patriotism is running                    at fever pitch.           997 00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:25,110      We decided Monday morning,              that since we played         998 00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:26,910          the National Anthem                    on our station            999 00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:29,190         to support the troops              over in the Middle East,       1000 00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:30,790           that she probably                    wouldn't welcome           1001 00:57:30,790 --> 00:57:32,110            being played on                    our station either.         1002 00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:33,790    The wrong time, the wrong place  1003 00:57:33,790 --> 00:57:35,710           and the wrong way                   to throw a tantrum.         1004 00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:36,830          Someone should just                   have said to her,          1005 00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:38,070      within her own management,      1006 00:57:38,110 --> 00:57:40,230          "Sinéad, shut up."          1007 00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:42,230              [caller 1]                      You don't like America,                then get the hell out.       1008 00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:44,550            My opinion is she                 should go back to Ireland      1009 00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:46,510             or wherever the                      hell she is from.          1010 00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:50,110        Don't tell my country,                   you can't play                    the National Anthem.         1011 00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:54,310  I didn't put the marine green on            to listen to some                 bald-headed Irish girl        1012 00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:56,670           tell me I can't hear                  my National Anthem.         1013 00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:59,390         She wants the money,            the fame and the glorification.  1014 00:57:59,390 --> 00:58:01,870      But she's going to have to          be sensitive to some issues.     1015 00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:04,350    [Irish newsreader]   One extreme           patriot is Frank Sinatra,      1016 00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:06,710            who said he would                   like to kick her ass.        1017 00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:09,150         "At his age, he couldn't              lift his leg high enough      1018 00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:11,470            to kick her ass",                   says Sinéad 's father,                    John O'Connor.           1019 00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:16,670           [Claire]   As soon                    as someone highlighted       1020 00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:18,390        that it had to be played,                   she would say,           1021 00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:20,030       "Well, you can't censor me.                 This is my show           1022 00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:22,670             and why are you                   telling me what to do?"       1023 00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:25,190           America is the land                     of free speech,                   and they're telling her       1024 00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:28,310            she's not allowed                  to have her free speech.      1025 00:58:28,310 --> 00:58:33,110    Issue number 3, the bald chick.          What's with her head?        1026 00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:36,030      Let's start with the chick.             What gives, Cue ball?        1027 00:58:36,070 --> 00:58:39,230  I'm looking at you. I'm thinking         14 in the side pocket.        1028 00:58:39,230 --> 00:58:42,830          [audience laughter]         1029 00:58:42,830 --> 00:58:44,550    I can't believe you're talking    1030 00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:46,590        about my hair with all                the bloody starvation        1031 00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:48,830         and the suffering in                 the world right now.         1032 00:58:48,830 --> 00:58:51,390       -[imitates violin sound]                    -[laughter]             1033 00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:55,670         Come on, swing baby,                   you're platinum.                     Forget the head.           1034 00:58:55,710 --> 00:58:58,870           Put a bag over it                  and do your business.        1035 00:58:58,870 --> 00:59:00,790        [Sinéad]   I think that,                certainly, the industry       1036 00:59:00,790 --> 00:59:03,910     can be extremely patronizing                towards women.            1037 00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:06,110        You're supposed to have            long hair wear push-up bras     1038 00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:09,230       and lip gloss, you know,               and shut up and sing.        1039 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:11,830         Maybe if I was a man,                  there wouldn't be                  such a fuss about it         1040 00:59:11,830 --> 00:59:13,550         you know what I mean?        1041 00:59:13,590 --> 00:59:15,270        It's just not expected               of women, I don't know.       1042 00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:18,990      But then nothing about me,       particularly, in people's minds,  1043 00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:22,230       conforms to what a woman                should conform to.          1044 00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:23,870       But I don't know if it's            so much a conscious problem     1045 00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:26,310            that they have                    because I'm a woman.         1046 00:59:26,310 --> 00:59:30,910     I think it's because I'm not          a conformist on any level.      1047 00:59:30,910 --> 00:59:33,070         You know what I mean?        1048 00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:34,190     [Gay]   Tell me about this row            about the National Anthem,     1049 00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:36,310  were you right to get into that?  1050 00:59:36,350 --> 00:59:38,550  I don't think it was a situation          being wrong or right.        1051 00:59:38,550 --> 00:59:40,590        It was a situation of,                 I acted at the time         1052 00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:44,430        in the way that I felt            would be most true to myself.    1053 00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:46,350  I didn't mean to offend anybody.  1054 00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:50,030           I did it because                   I have a huge problem        1055 00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:51,510     with the censorship movement     1056 00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:52,750           that's happening                 in America at the moment.      1057 00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:54,750     It has terrible implications.    1058 00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:56,630  The idea that artists, you know,  1059 00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:58,790       painters, photographers,                 musicians, poets,          1060 00:59:58,830 --> 01:00:00,350         and people like that         1061 01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:02,030          are being told what               they may and may not say       1062 01:00:02,070 --> 01:00:03,750           and what they may                 or may not write about.       1063 01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:05,710             -[Gay] Where                      is that happening?                      -In America,             1064 01:00:05,710 --> 01:00:08,830          in particular among                  the Black community                    it's happening.           1065 01:00:08,830 --> 01:00:10,750  So, I have two problems with it.  1066 01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:12,830      First of all, that I don't         think censorship should happen    1067 01:00:12,830 --> 01:00:14,510          at all to anybody.          1068 01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:15,710         But secondly, I think               that a lot of the time        1069 01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:16,910    there's a lot of White artists    1070 01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:18,750    who are very offensive as well,  1071 01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:20,150     and they don't get censored.     1072 01:00:20,190 --> 01:00:22,270            So it leaves me                    thinking that it's          1073 01:00:22,270 --> 01:00:25,030           a slightly racist                    problem as well.           1074 01:00:25,070 --> 01:00:27,030             So, you know,                     if it happened now,         1075 01:00:27,070 --> 01:00:29,470          I might've reacted                   in a different way,         1076 01:00:29,470 --> 01:00:31,750     I didn't realize that people        would take such offence to it.    1077 01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:34,510                Because                      I didn't mean offence.                You know what I mean?        1078 01:00:34,510 --> 01:00:35,870       [Gay] The problem is that           a lot of people would say,      1079 01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:37,910           well, you didn't                    not take the money.         1080 01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:39,350           You know, if they                 asked me for the money,       1081 01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:40,870            I would gladly                   have given it to them.        1082 01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:42,190         You would, you would.                   All the money?            1083 01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:44,470             -Absolutely.                    -All the money, Sinéad?       1084 01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:47,110         Can't go through life               giving back the money.        1085 01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:48,710        I don't perform or make              records or do anything        1086 01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:50,150        in order to make money.       1087 01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:51,390    It's not the thing that I hold    1088 01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:53,470      most important in my life.      1089 01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:55,590        Well, I heard that she                doesn't like Ireland         1090 01:00:55,590 --> 01:00:58,390     and she doesn't like the USA.    1091 01:00:58,390 --> 01:01:00,990        So they're going to be             handing out American flags.     1092 01:01:01,030 --> 01:01:04,070  So we're going to wave it at her         and see what she does.        1093 01:01:04,070 --> 01:01:06,750         Controversy surrounds                her wherever she is.         1094 01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:07,870             [interviewer]                  Why do you think that is?      1095 01:01:07,870 --> 01:01:09,710      Just because of who she is.     1096 01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:12,230  I don't think she gets a fair...      because of the way she looks,    1097 01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:13,710         I don't think people                   treat her fairly.          1098 01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:17,670               [Sinéad]                    It's a very patriotic country.  1099 01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:19,710           And a lot of people                      have been told           1100 01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:23,030         that I have some sort of               anti-American feeling,       1101 01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:25,430      which is very irresponsible            on behalf of the media,       1102 01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:29,270           because that does               put a person in a situation     1103 01:01:29,310 --> 01:01:30,990            where literally               their life could be at risk.     1104 01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:32,510         You know what I mean?        1105 01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:35,110          [atmospheric music]         1106 01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:36,790        [John]   When the press                  started to attack her        1107 01:01:36,790 --> 01:01:39,270        that was really difficult.     1108 01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:43,310         They arrived at the door           in London and Jake was with me  1109 01:01:43,310 --> 01:01:45,510        and he was only very young     1110 01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:47,710             and they started                     to fire questions,         1111 01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:49,910             you know, while                     Jake was next to me.        1112 01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:52,750        And I just, I just was...             I was absolutely furious.      1113 01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:57,870               [singing]              1114 01:01:57,910 --> 01:02:03,310        Margaret Thatcher on TV      1115 01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:08,470          Shocked by the deaths        That took place in Beijing...     1116 01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:11,070                [John]                              She's always                      championed justice.         1117 01:02:11,070 --> 01:02:13,070                You know,                     if something wasn't right,     1118 01:02:13,070 --> 01:02:15,750        she would step in and try             and do something about it.     1119 01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:18,630               [singing]              1120 01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:20,630             [Gay]   Listen,                    this song that I heard,       1121 01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:22,310        "Black Boys on Mopeds"        1122 01:02:22,310 --> 01:02:24,510          about the treatment              of Black people in England.     1123 01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:27,550        Very political, Sinéad.       1124 01:02:27,550 --> 01:02:29,270         Well you can't really                  talk about racism          1125 01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:30,790       without being political.       1126 01:02:30,790 --> 01:02:33,910        [Gay] Yes. True, true.        1127 01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:35,550              England's not                     The mythical land          1128 01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:38,830       Of Madame George and roses   1129 01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:42,070        It's the home of police        1130 01:02:42,070 --> 01:02:45,870           Who kill Black boys                      On mopeds              1131 01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:48,910           And I love my boy            1132 01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:52,870       And that's why I'm leaving     1133 01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:56,510             I don't want him                To be aware that there's      1134 01:02:56,510 --> 01:03:00,510       Any such thing as grieving   1135 01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:08,270               Young mother                     Down at Smithfield         1136 01:03:08,310 --> 01:03:12,670       5:00 a.m., looking for food               For her kids...           1137 01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:14,670            [John]   We were                   living in Stoke Newington      1138 01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:17,510        when she wrote that song,            you know, it was around us,     1139 01:03:17,550 --> 01:03:21,270      you know, that kind of police          versus the Black community.     1140 01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:22,910        It was ugly at that point,     1141 01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:24,910             particularly in                     that part of London.        1142 01:03:24,910 --> 01:03:26,870              The police                    are picking on children!       1143 01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:28,310               [Sinéad]                      I write songs about things     1144 01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:30,270       that I feel strongly about.     1145 01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:32,150           It's not consciously               to write a political song      1146 01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:33,670          or consciously to make             a statement about anything.     1147 01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:36,150        And I think that that's             what every person's duty       1148 01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:39,710      to themselves is, is to act         on their feelings and to say,    1149 01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:42,190            when they think                    something's wrong.          1150 01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:44,030       It doesn't matter whether          they're, you know, a singer,             or whatever they are.        1151 01:03:44,030 --> 01:03:46,070          [Gay] Yes, and take                   the consequences.          1152 01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:47,350             I imagine so.            1153 01:03:47,350 --> 01:03:49,830            [violin music]            1154 01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:54,310           I'm an Irish artist,        1155 01:03:54,350 --> 01:03:55,870         and there's a tradition                 among Irish artists         1156 01:03:55,870 --> 01:03:57,830            of being agitators                      and activists.           1157 01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:59,870            You know, whether               they're playwrights or poets.    1158 01:04:02,070 --> 01:04:04,870              An artists job                    is sometimes to create       1159 01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:07,710       the difficult conversations               that need to be had.        1160 01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:09,430      And it's none of my business,    1161 01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:11,550         what anyone thinks of me                  when I do that.           1162 01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:14,310              [chanting]              1163 01:04:16,310 --> 01:04:18,430        [newsreader]   The right                 to choose an abortion,       1164 01:04:18,430 --> 01:04:21,350         the right to information              on where to obtain one.       1165 01:04:21,350 --> 01:04:24,110      In Dublin's O'Connell street,             singer Sinéad O'Connor       1166 01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:28,030          speaks out against her                 country's stringent                      abortion laws.           1167 01:04:28,070 --> 01:04:31,270      Abortion will be legalized           in this country very soon.      1168 01:04:31,310 --> 01:04:33,070     Let's have another referendum    1169 01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:36,110            when only women                 of childbearing age vote       1170 01:04:36,110 --> 01:04:38,870        for the right to choose                their own destiny.          1171 01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:41,310        What I believe is that                you cannot take away         1172 01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:43,070      a person's right to choose.     1173 01:04:43,070 --> 01:04:45,750       It is not a pro-abortion            or an anti-abortion issue.      1174 01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:47,950             The issue is                     the right to choose.         1175 01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:50,590        The church deliberately              distract us from that,        1176 01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:53,790           by making it into                 an either anti or for,        1177 01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:55,630         you know what I mean?                 But it's not that.          1178 01:04:55,630 --> 01:04:57,590       It's the right to choose                 your own destiny.          1179 01:04:57,590 --> 01:04:59,270           And it's none of                 anybody else's business,       1180 01:04:59,270 --> 01:05:02,310    not your mother or your father              or anybody else.           1181 01:05:02,310 --> 01:05:03,430            Or your priest.           1182 01:05:06,310 --> 01:05:08,550        [Elaine]   I never felt                  that Sinéad would cave       1183 01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:11,990          to any pressure. Ever.       1184 01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:17,430         Then she just seemed to             become really controversial                about everything.          1185 01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:19,310        [newsreader]   Two weeks                  before the Grammys,         1186 01:05:19,310 --> 01:05:21,670           O'Connor threw down                the gauntlet to her peers      1187 01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:24,030         announcing she would not               attend the ceremonies        1188 01:05:24,030 --> 01:05:26,470        because the music industry               was driven by greed         1189 01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:28,230               and artists                      were not speaking out        1190 01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:30,310       against the war in the Gulf.    1191 01:05:30,350 --> 01:05:32,870     It is the creative community           that are driven by greed.      1192 01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:34,670        That's why none of them                are saying anything         1193 01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:36,030                because                   they're afraid their careers     1194 01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:37,630     are going to be in jeopardy.     1195 01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:40,390       It's why nobody has said              anything about the war.       1196 01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:42,710     [Elaine]   When Sinéad refused            to perform at the Grammys,     1197 01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:44,990      I was under a lot of pressure              to change her mind.         1198 01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:47,750      As if that were even possible.  1199 01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:50,390              It wasn't like                   threatening-threatening,      1200 01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:54,710        but I felt that my career       could certainly be in jeopardy,    1201 01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:56,310          and Sinéad's as well.        1202 01:05:56,350 --> 01:05:58,190        These were powerful people                 in the industry.          1203 01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:04,430       [Chuck D]   I didn't think               that the powers that be                 were ready for her.         1204 01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:08,070            Where she's from,          1205 01:06:08,070 --> 01:06:12,590            artists had always                     stepped forward                       and said things,          1206 01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:15,350      but maybe in different genres,  1207 01:06:15,390 --> 01:06:18,830             and not so much                     as a pop superstar.         1208 01:06:18,830 --> 01:06:21,950           And Sinéad O'Connor,                 well, she was becoming                   a pop superstar.          1209 01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:30,910           Okay, so this is                    my favourite place                    in the universe,           1210 01:06:30,910 --> 01:06:32,830      which is St. Mark's place.      1211 01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:34,950      All the Rastas live there,      1212 01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:36,630       and all the Irish people                    live here,                     which is why I like it,       1213 01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:37,910       because Rastas and Irish           people should live together,     1214 01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:39,910     since they're both the same.     1215 01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:41,470           And this is Siné.          1216 01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:47,270          The object of my game                    coming into the                      music business was         1217 01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:50,870       I really saw it as something          like a bit of a chess game.     1218 01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:52,950        Could I get from one side             of the board to the other      1219 01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:55,310           and still be myself                       and still be                       true to my reasons         1220 01:06:55,310 --> 01:06:57,230                for being                       in the music business?       1221 01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:59,350           And also, I suppose,              spiritually true to myself,     1222 01:06:59,390 --> 01:07:01,350         do you know what I mean?      1223 01:07:01,390 --> 01:07:02,790        The music business can be             a bit of a vampiric arena.     1224 01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:04,310       [Sinéad] That's Charlie.       1225 01:07:04,310 --> 01:07:06,110       The first one's Charlie,               and that's Charlton.         1226 01:07:06,110 --> 01:07:08,230          -Say hello to Jake.                      -Hi, Jake.              1227 01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:09,750            [Sinéad] Gary.            1228 01:07:09,790 --> 01:07:11,030                 -Yes?                         -Say hello to Jake.         1229 01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:12,350              -Him Jake.                     -[Sinéad] That's Gary.        1230 01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:13,390            Maybe we'll get                     to see you, Jake.          1231 01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:14,590       [Sinéad] He's really mad.      1232 01:07:14,590 --> 01:07:17,190      Hi, Jake, how're you doing?     1233 01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:20,910     -[Sinéad] Say hello to Jake.              -Jake. How are you?         1234 01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:22,670      [Sinéad]   You can go around             trying to please everyone      1235 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:24,990             as if you're in                    a popularity contest,        1236 01:07:24,990 --> 01:07:27,270         and yeah, that might get            you lots and lots of money,     1237 01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:29,590        but that's not necessarily               going to be keeping                       the contract            1238 01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:30,790       that you made with yourself.    1239 01:07:30,830 --> 01:07:33,910         [instrumental music]         1240 01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:39,470        That was the last one,                     wasn't it?              1241 01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:41,030            [man] That was                     the very last one.          1242 01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:43,270          Okay, can we go on                   from a bit before?          1243 01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:46,030              -[man] Yes.                    -[Sinéad]   I didn't want             to fall into that trap then     1244 01:07:46,070 --> 01:07:48,430               of you know,                      the follow up album                to the number one, single.     1245 01:07:48,430 --> 01:07:50,470       And so I was kind of buying             myself some time really,      1246 01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:52,270           creatively speaking.        1247 01:07:52,270 --> 01:07:53,910            Because you've had                     that hit record,          1248 01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:55,750             all of a sudden                    you could go in there        1249 01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:57,270          and tell them you want              to make a record of farts,     1250 01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:58,270             and they'll say,                    "Yeah, sure. Okay."         1251 01:07:58,310 --> 01:07:59,910          [trumpets blasting]         1252 01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:06,190      Let's listen back and make         sure we love this arrangement.    1253 01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:09,510                -Okay?                       -[John]   I think there's             a huge pressure from labels     1254 01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:12,270            when an artist has                 a worldwide number one.       1255 01:08:12,270 --> 01:08:15,270          And I think with the,             "Am I Not Your Girl"   album,     1256 01:08:15,310 --> 01:08:18,830        this was a great antidote,             really to what happened.      1257 01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:23,710       And it had the most amazing          team of arrangers, musicians,    1258 01:08:23,710 --> 01:08:26,910         and of course, legendary               Phil Ramone producing.       1259 01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:29,910             It was just such                     a joy that record.         1260 01:08:44,830 --> 01:08:48,310       We used to go out walking     1261 01:08:48,310 --> 01:08:51,750              Hand in hand           1262 01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:55,430             You told me all                      The big things           1263 01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:58,510           You had planned...        1264 01:08:58,510 --> 01:09:00,110    [Sinéad]   I did love the record,           and I loved making it.       1265 01:09:00,150 --> 01:09:02,270         It was just astonishing                   being in a room           1266 01:09:02,270 --> 01:09:03,990        with that band every day.       It was just like, "Oh, my God."    1267 01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:05,550               I was quite                      intimidated actually.        1268 01:09:05,550 --> 01:09:07,470            I was quite scared                     to open my mouth          1269 01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:09,310        because the band were just            so ridiculously brilliant      1270 01:09:09,350 --> 01:09:12,670        and I couldn't see myself               as being anyway good.        1271 01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:16,150          Am I not your girl?        1272 01:09:16,190 --> 01:09:19,670          Am I not your girl?        1273 01:09:19,670 --> 01:09:22,510          Am I not your girl?        1274 01:09:22,510 --> 01:09:24,830                Am I not             1275 01:09:30,670 --> 01:09:33,110      [Sinéad]   There were things              going on in my own life.      1276 01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:34,910         Things I was discovering              that my mother had done       1277 01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:37,030        that I didn't know about.      1278 01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:40,990        And then I had come across            an article about families      1279 01:09:40,990 --> 01:09:43,310           who had been trying                   to lodge complaints         1280 01:09:43,310 --> 01:09:45,710            against the church                     for sexual abuse          1281 01:09:45,710 --> 01:09:47,950         and were being silenced.      1282 01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:54,630       Basically fucking everything          I had been raised to believe                   was a lie.             1283 01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:57,470  You know, that everything about         the Catholic church was a lie.  1284 01:09:59,310 --> 01:10:04,670          Ave, ave, ave Maria        1285 01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:07,350        [Announcer]   At the end                of the line of bishops,                   walked the Pope.          1286 01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:10,390      And as the crowd noticed him,            they broke into cheering                   and clapping.            1287 01:10:11,550 --> 01:10:13,710            [crowd cheers]            1288 01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:16,550      [Sinéad]   I took two things             out of my mother's house.      1289 01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:18,070        One was her cookery book,      1290 01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:20,150             and the next was                   a picture of the Pope,       1291 01:10:20,190 --> 01:10:22,790              which had been                     on her bedroom wall.        1292 01:10:22,830 --> 01:10:25,110          [Pope John Paul II]                 Young people of Ireland,      1293 01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:27,710              I love you.             1294 01:10:29,550 --> 01:10:31,950            [crowd cheers]            1295 01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:34,350          [Sinéad]   He didn't                      fucking love me.          1296 01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:36,670         And I could fuckin' cry                 right now saying it.        1297 01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:39,790       You know, it was such a lie.    1298 01:10:39,790 --> 01:10:41,870               Now we know                       what a lie that was.        1299 01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:43,950            He was so involved                      in covering up           1300 01:10:43,950 --> 01:10:46,750       what happened to everybody.     1301 01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:48,830            And I had a right                     to fight that evil         1302 01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:50,990       because I loved the church.     1303 01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:52,710            I'm going to go on                  Saturday Night Live         1304 01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:54,350      and I've got fuck all to lose    1305 01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:55,830           because no one could                   do jack shit to me         1306 01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:57,430      that hasn't been done already.  1307 01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:12,150       [Elaine]   I had booked her              on   Saturday Night Live.       1308 01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:14,110             Now this was for                     her third record,          1309 01:11:14,150 --> 01:11:17,950                which was,                     "Am I Not Your Girl."        1310 01:11:17,950 --> 01:11:20,910          It's a great booking,         the record was just coming out,    1311 01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:23,790      and this would really help it.  1312 01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:25,910         Ladies and gentlemen,                  Sinéad O'Connor.           1313 01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:28,590           [crowd applauds]           1314 01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:39,150          Until the philosophy       1315 01:11:39,150 --> 01:11:42,510             Which holds one                      Race superior            1316 01:11:42,510 --> 01:11:46,270              And another            1317 01:11:46,270 --> 01:11:49,150                Inferior             1318 01:11:49,150 --> 01:11:51,910               Is finally            1319 01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:54,910            And permanently          1320 01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:56,950             Discredited...          1321 01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:58,990           [Sinéad]   The song                  is also very important.       1322 01:11:58,990 --> 01:12:01,030                You know,                       it's a Rastafari song.       1323 01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:05,990            It's a speech that                the Emperor Haile Selassie     1324 01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:08,710  had made at the United Nations,              and then Bob Marley         1325 01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:10,950          turned it into a song.       1326 01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:14,870       First class and second class          Citizens of any nation       1327 01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:17,910             Until the colour                    Of a man's skin           1328 01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:20,830       Is of no more significance   1329 01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:22,790   Than the colour of his eyes     1330 01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:24,750         I've got to say war...      1331 01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:26,270                 ...war              1332 01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:29,710            War in the east          1333 01:12:29,710 --> 01:12:32,950            War in the west          1334 01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:36,070              War up north           1335 01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:39,230             War down south          1336 01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:42,110              There's war            1337 01:12:42,150 --> 01:12:45,670           And rumours of war        1338 01:12:45,670 --> 01:12:48,150             Until that day          1339 01:12:48,150 --> 01:12:53,950          There is no continent               Which will know peace        1340 01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:59,470           Children, children        1341 01:12:59,470 --> 01:13:01,470                 Fight               1342 01:13:01,510 --> 01:13:04,870          We find it necessary       1343 01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:08,150          We know we will win        1344 01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:11,070           We have confidence        1345 01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:13,750             In the victory          1346 01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:16,670                Of good                1347 01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:21,830               Over evil             1348 01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:26,710         Fight the real enemy.        1349 01:13:33,710 --> 01:13:36,750               [Elaine]                       Nobody knows what to do.      1350 01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:39,950          My blood has run cold.       1351 01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:42,510         She blows a candle out,                 she goes off stage,         1352 01:13:42,510 --> 01:13:45,110  she goes into her dressing room              and she's so happy.         1353 01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:47,230                You know,                      she had pulled this off.      1354 01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:50,310           And I had gone into               the dressing room after her,    1355 01:13:50,350 --> 01:13:53,310          and I said, "You know,            I can't get you out of this."    1356 01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:55,750      And she said, "You know what?             I don't want you to."        1357 01:13:58,550 --> 01:14:00,390  [host]   What effect do you think    1358 01:14:00,390 --> 01:14:01,710         this is gonna have on                your career, Sinéad?         1359 01:14:02,910 --> 01:14:05,070             I don't know.            1360 01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:07,030             Do you care?             1361 01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:10,670        Um, well, it depends on                what you mean by...         1362 01:14:10,670 --> 01:14:13,230             I don't know.                      You'd have to say                     what you meant.           1363 01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:16,070    Do you think what you have done  1364 01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:18,470      will make you more popular                 with your fans?           1365 01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:20,230     Less popular with your fans?     1366 01:14:20,230 --> 01:14:24,470     Or will it just be something           that Sinéad O'Connor did       1367 01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:25,710           in a rash moment?          1368 01:14:27,150 --> 01:14:29,470       Well, I can't really say.                  I don't know.            1369 01:14:29,470 --> 01:14:32,910           Are you prepared                to accept the consequences,     1370 01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:36,030       which you said don't seem             to be negative, right?        1371 01:14:36,030 --> 01:14:37,510         Of what you're doing?        1372 01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:38,950          What consequences?          1373 01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:41,710    Well, look at the alternative.    1374 01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:44,550      [narrator]   Sinéad O'Connor           is no stranger to controversy.  1375 01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:46,950      A master of the shock tactics.  1376 01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:49,230            But this time some                     are questioning                  whether she went too far.      1377 01:14:49,230 --> 01:14:50,750    No response yet from the Pope,    1378 01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:52,750       but church spokesmen say               that he will no doubt        1379 01:14:52,750 --> 01:14:55,230        forgive Sinéad O'Connor          for her bout of Vatican bashing  1380 01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:57,270     on NBC's   Saturday Night Live.    1381 01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:58,990      The controversy for singer                 Sinéad O'Connor           1382 01:14:58,990 --> 01:15:01,070         as she strikes a sour                note with Catholics.         1383 01:15:01,070 --> 01:15:03,070        [reporter]   NBC has been                  at pains to stress         1384 01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:05,470            it doesn't condone                      what she did.            1385 01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:07,470     [reporter 2]   The network says               O'Connor's tirade                   caught them off guard.       1386 01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:09,710          NBC logged a thousand                   complaint calls...         1387 01:15:09,710 --> 01:15:12,630      [man]   Her actions Saturday              night were spontaneous,       1388 01:15:12,670 --> 01:15:14,990      certainly unauthorized by NBC,  1389 01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:17,910           and NBC was offended                    by what she did.          1390 01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:20,670    [reporter]   The Catholic league         for religious and civil rights  1391 01:15:20,670 --> 01:15:23,950       is pressuring record stores            to stop selling recordings     1392 01:15:23,950 --> 01:15:26,230               by O'Connor                     and her record company.       1393 01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:29,150          During the lunch hour,              they passed out leaflets,      1394 01:15:29,150 --> 01:15:31,630             urging customers                   to join their boycott.       1395 01:15:31,630 --> 01:15:33,950             Some didn't need                     any encouragement.         1396 01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:35,950      I thought it was repulsive.     1397 01:15:35,950 --> 01:15:39,070        [man]   Anyone that sends                  us in their tapes,         1398 01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:40,830           we're going to chop                     up these tapes.           1399 01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:42,910          Actually, we were just              going to send them to her.     1400 01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:45,230             Someone said,                  don't send the tapes new.      1401 01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:48,030            Break them up,               'cause she'll sell them again.    1402 01:15:48,030 --> 01:15:49,510    So we're going to break them up  1403 01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:51,110         and put them in a trunk,      1404 01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:52,750             and have someone                    deliver them to her         1405 01:15:52,750 --> 01:15:54,190                in Ireland                     or wherever she may be.       1406 01:15:56,230 --> 01:15:57,630          [audience applauds]         1407 01:15:57,630 --> 01:16:00,030        I would've grabbed her                  by her eyebrows.           1408 01:16:00,030 --> 01:16:01,750           [audience laughs]          1409 01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:04,270      Sinéad O'Connor... [gags],               you know and so on.         1410 01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:06,110    Or you just don't like that she     tore up a picture of the Pope.    1411 01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:08,310        Oh, no, Sinéad O'Connor           is completely a robot brain.     1412 01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:10,390          She has messages...                 She's like Victorian,        1413 01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:13,390      she has messages where she           slaps onto art like labels.     1414 01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:14,990     But I'll tell you one thing,              she was very lucky          1415 01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:17,190          it wasn't my show.          1416 01:16:17,190 --> 01:16:20,430       'Cause if it was my show,                 I would've gave                     her such a smack.          1417 01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:24,670           [audience cheers]          1418 01:16:24,710 --> 01:16:26,470  Sinéad O'Conner, who's big theme            is child abuse...          1419 01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:28,310              -All right?                -It all comes from child abuse.  1420 01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:30,310    In the case of Sinéad O'Conner,       child abuse was justified.      1421 01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:37,630                [John]                      I got a little bit worried,     1422 01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:40,630           you know when things                were going really badly                in the press for her.        1423 01:16:40,670 --> 01:16:43,950      It was a terrible time for us.  1424 01:16:43,950 --> 01:16:45,750      And just created this hatred.    1425 01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:48,070           It was unbelievable.        1426 01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:51,430      [Claire]   I had fan letters           with death threats to myself,    1427 01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:53,150         death threats to Sinéad,      1428 01:16:53,150 --> 01:16:55,710          and one day I took in                 a sack load of letters       1429 01:16:55,710 --> 01:16:57,790            that were directly                threatening either to her      1430 01:16:57,830 --> 01:17:00,790      or to me, or any of our team.    1431 01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:03,990     [Kathleen]   I was watching it                with some friends                      as it happened.           1432 01:17:04,030 --> 01:17:07,510        And we were all applauding           and cheering and were like,     1433 01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:09,590        "Feminist performance art,                      on TV.               1434 01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:12,630       When does that ever happen?"    1435 01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:15,830       [Roísín]   I can't sit here                 and tell you that                      I was all like,           1436 01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:17,590         "Oh, no, Sinéad O'Connor                    is an icon.                    She's ahead of her time."      1437 01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:20,070           I don't think I was                    saying that then.          1438 01:17:20,110 --> 01:17:22,990            I think I probably                was joining in, "Oh, God,               what's she doing now?"       1439 01:17:22,990 --> 01:17:25,070         There was this idea that              she was a bit of a joke.      1440 01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:28,430         Fight the real enemy.        1441 01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:30,990     [Phil Hartman]   When she does           a concert in New York city,     1442 01:17:30,990 --> 01:17:33,190           if she has the guts                   to ever do a concert        1443 01:17:33,190 --> 01:17:34,870        in New York City again,       1444 01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:36,390        after one of her songs,       1445 01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:38,510     I'm going to jump up on stage    1446 01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:40,830          and tear up a photo                   of Uncle Fester.           1447 01:17:40,830 --> 01:17:42,830           [audience laughs]          1448 01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:52,550        [reporter]   Do you enjoy                   shocking people?          1449 01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:54,710       [Sinéad]   No, but I enjoy                    a good debate.           1450 01:17:54,710 --> 01:17:56,910      [reporter] Did you realize          the consequences at the time?    1451 01:17:56,910 --> 01:18:02,270    I don't think it's a good idea       to talk about it here, tonight.  1452 01:18:02,270 --> 01:18:04,670     [reporter] So you don't want           to talk about it at all.       1453 01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:06,350           Some other time,                I'll talk to you about it.      1454 01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:07,990       [reporter] But obviously            you don't have any regrets.     1455 01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:09,310          No, absolutely not.         1456 01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:14,390         [Kris Kristofferson]                    I'm real proud...          1457 01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:16,910             to introduce                       this next artist           1458 01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:21,070          whose name's become               synonymous with courage,       1459 01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:23,470            and integrity.            1460 01:18:23,470 --> 01:18:26,070         Ladies and gentleman,                  Sinéad O'Connor.           1461 01:18:26,110 --> 01:18:28,670            [crowd cheers]            1462 01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:48,190              Thank you.              1463 01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:55,110         [Sinéad]   I'm on stage                    and the audience                     start making this          1464 01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:56,670           mad noise where half                   of them are booing         1465 01:18:56,710 --> 01:18:58,230      and half of them are cheering.  1466 01:18:58,270 --> 01:19:00,310           And it's the fucking                     weirdest noise           1467 01:19:00,350 --> 01:19:01,990       I've ever heard in my life.          And it makes me want to puke.    1468 01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:04,670            [crowd booing]            1469 01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:09,390           [crowd cheering]           1470 01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:20,470      [Sinéad]   My song that I was                 supposed to sing          1471 01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:23,270         at Madison Square Garden              was    "I Believe in You."      1472 01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:26,230           This song was to be                    sung in a whisper,         1473 01:19:26,230 --> 01:19:27,670        and I knew that I couldn't     1474 01:19:27,670 --> 01:19:29,670       because I wouldn't be heard,    1475 01:19:29,670 --> 01:19:31,350      I would have been drowned out           and I couldn't have that.      1476 01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:36,630      "Are you going to stand by me"  1477 01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:38,790          was almost what I felt                God was saying to me.        1478 01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:40,790            "Are you going to                    fucking stand by me,        1479 01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:42,270             or are you going                     to pussy out here          1480 01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:43,430           and walk off stage."        1481 01:19:43,470 --> 01:19:46,150           [crowd cheering]           1482 01:19:48,990 --> 01:19:51,590          Okay, turn this up.         1483 01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:54,710          Until the philosophy       1484 01:19:54,710 --> 01:19:57,390             Which holds one                      Race superior            1485 01:19:57,430 --> 01:20:01,630          And another inferior       1486 01:20:01,670 --> 01:20:03,670               Is finally            1487 01:20:03,670 --> 01:20:08,150   And permanently discredited     1488 01:20:08,150 --> 01:20:10,190             And abandoned           1489 01:20:10,230 --> 01:20:14,070           Everywhere is war         1490 01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:17,230        Until there's no longer      1491 01:20:17,230 --> 01:20:20,950              First class or                  Second class citizens        1492 01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:23,150             Of any nation           1493 01:20:23,150 --> 01:20:26,270             Until the colour                    Of a man's skin           1494 01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:29,710       Is of no more significance   1495 01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:31,710   Than the colour of his eyes     1496 01:20:31,710 --> 01:20:34,230          I've got to say war        1497 01:20:34,270 --> 01:20:38,030             Until, the basic                      Human rights            1498 01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:40,870               Are equally                      Guaranteed to all          1499 01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:43,310         Without regard to race      1500 01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:45,550               I say war             1501 01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:47,350               And until             1502 01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:50,470               The ignoble                      And unhappy regime         1503 01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:52,830             Which holds all                      Of us through            1504 01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:55,870           Child abuse, yeah         1505 01:20:55,870 --> 01:20:58,430           Child abuse, yeah         1506 01:20:58,430 --> 01:21:01,710            Subhuman bondage         1507 01:21:01,710 --> 01:21:03,790            Has been toppled         1508 01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:06,270           Utterly destroyed         1509 01:21:06,270 --> 01:21:09,710           Everywhere is war         1510 01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:20,790     [Kathleen]   Everything kind of          coalesced into that moment.     1511 01:21:20,830 --> 01:21:22,430           Someone who grew up                      in a household           1512 01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:24,630         of abuse and rejection,       1513 01:21:24,630 --> 01:21:26,630           then being rejected,        1514 01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:29,510        by what probably felt like             the whole entire world,       1515 01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:33,870           re-traumatizing her                  in front of the world,       1516 01:21:33,870 --> 01:21:36,550       it made me feel demoralized,                  as a woman.             1517 01:21:38,190 --> 01:21:39,870     [John]   People that would boo                 Sinéad O'Connor,          1518 01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:43,590           what were they doing                at a Bob Dylan concert?       1519 01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:45,910       She's taken quite a beating,                 in the world,            1520 01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:48,110            because, the world                  does not take kindly,        1521 01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:51,350              to having its                      program interrupted.        1522 01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:53,950             The smooth flow                       of entertainment                  must not be interrupted.      1523 01:21:59,150 --> 01:22:00,550           [Sinéad]   "My name                    is Sinéad O'Connor,         1524 01:22:00,550 --> 01:22:02,110             and I'm learning                      to love myself.           1525 01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:04,830             I am deserving,           1526 01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:07,110             I deserve to be                    treated with respect,        1527 01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:09,310           I deserve not to be                    treated like dirt,         1528 01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:10,630       I deserve to be listened to.    1529 01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:12,430       My name is Sinéad O'Connor,     1530 01:22:12,430 --> 01:22:15,430              I am a woman,                   I have something to offer,     1531 01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:17,110        I am and have always been              carrying a lot of grief,      1532 01:22:17,150 --> 01:22:19,430         from my lost childhood,       1533 01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:21,270           and for the effects                      of its horror                    and violence on my life.      1534 01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:23,230       I find it hard to be myself,    1535 01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:25,110           to show my feelings.        1536 01:22:25,150 --> 01:22:27,150            To get to the joy,         1537 01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:28,870       I need to release the pain,              which is blocking me.        1538 01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:32,230           If I do not do this,                  I will not survive.         1539 01:22:32,230 --> 01:22:34,670           I was angry before,                because I was frightened,      1540 01:22:34,710 --> 01:22:37,190          but I know that if you                 could really listen,        1541 01:22:37,190 --> 01:22:39,190         you'd see that we do not              know what we are doing,       1542 01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:41,870       when we mock the expression                of human feeling.          1543 01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:44,710        When we scoff at the sound            of our children's keening,     1544 01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:46,990          there's a mirror into               which we are not looking.      1545 01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:52,710            There's no way                 I'm going to shut my mouth,     1546 01:22:52,710 --> 01:22:54,310        I am a battered child,        1547 01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:56,550      and the whole bloody world             is gonna know about it,       1548 01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:58,390    the same as they are gonna know            about every other                     battered child.           1549 01:22:58,390 --> 01:23:00,390         They are not going to               be able to shut us up,        1550 01:23:00,430 --> 01:23:02,470        just because they don't              want to hear about it.        1551 01:23:05,470 --> 01:23:08,110        [Peaches]   We all have,                 mental health issues,        1552 01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:10,070         you know, on one level,       1553 01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:12,030         and it's very important              for us to recognize that,      1554 01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:14,270       and I think that's something              that Sinéad O'Connor        1555 01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:15,950       did way before anybody else.    1556 01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:20,070      [Sinéad]   I was always being              crazied by the media,        1557 01:23:20,110 --> 01:23:22,270          made out to be crazy.        1558 01:23:22,270 --> 01:23:25,070          I don't blame anybody,              for thinking I was crazy,      1559 01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:26,910         or for hating me for it,                    or whatever,            1560 01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:28,710         'cause they didn't know,            I mean, it was a crazy idea,    1561 01:23:28,710 --> 01:23:30,230            I mean, this bitch                     is saying that,           1562 01:23:30,230 --> 01:23:31,350       priests are raping children,    1563 01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:32,950          I mean, Jesus Christ,        1564 01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:34,510           of course it seemed                      crazy to them.           1565 01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:39,030                [Skin]                     Sinéad was put into isolation.  1566 01:23:39,070 --> 01:23:40,990              She, was still                     making great music,         1567 01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:42,790       still making great records,     1568 01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:45,430         but we didn't hear them               and we didn't see them.       1569 01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:48,230       In those days, if the press            weren't talking about you,     1570 01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:50,910       if you weren't on the radio,         if you weren't on TV screens,    1571 01:23:50,910 --> 01:23:53,030            you might as well                     have not existed.          1572 01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:54,670              Which is what                     happened with Sinéad,        1573 01:23:54,670 --> 01:23:56,070           she just disappears.        1574 01:23:58,990 --> 01:24:01,390         [Sinéad]   I have about                   a ten-year period          1575 01:24:01,390 --> 01:24:03,150          I don't remember much,       1576 01:24:03,190 --> 01:24:04,150           because it suddenly                  became a free for all        1577 01:24:04,190 --> 01:24:06,230         for everybody around me,      1578 01:24:06,230 --> 01:24:09,710        personally and publicly to          treat me like shit basically.    1579 01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:14,350          They didn't like what                they saw on the mirror,       1580 01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:15,910          I understand that now,       1581 01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:17,710         but when I was younger,                   I was just hurt.          1582 01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:28,270       [Dr. Sinéad Kennedy]   The            willingness to tell her story,  1583 01:24:28,270 --> 01:24:31,310       to share her personal pain,                  her struggles,           1584 01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:34,630       to share them, with Ireland               and with the world,         1585 01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:37,990        I think has given people,            the courage to do the same.     1586 01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:44,710        [Enda Kenny]   On behalf                     of this state,           1587 01:24:44,710 --> 01:24:47,590              the government                      and our citizens,          1588 01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:51,510              deeply regret,                 and apologize unreservedly,     1589 01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:53,110           to all those women,         1590 01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:55,110               for the hurt                     that was done to them,       1591 01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:57,270           for the, any stigma                   they have suffered,         1592 01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:59,670              as a result                    of the time they spent,       1593 01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:01,230      in the Magdalene Laundries.     1594 01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:06,270            Today, we live in                 a very different country,      1595 01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:08,270          with a very different                     consciousness,           1596 01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:09,910  and a very different awareness.    1597 01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:12,070           [crowd cheering]           1598 01:25:14,150 --> 01:25:16,710         An Ireland where we have                  more compassion,          1599 01:25:16,710 --> 01:25:21,230              more empathy,                   more insight, more heart.      1600 01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:26,350         We do, because at last,                   we are learning                   those terrible lessons.       1601 01:25:26,350 --> 01:25:29,710          We do, because at last             we're giving up our secrets.    1602 01:25:34,750 --> 01:25:37,310        In Ireland, it's being             called a quiet revolution,      1603 01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:38,910       and a victory for women.       1604 01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:41,230               The once                  conservative nation, voted yes    1605 01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:44,150      to repeal a constitutional                ban on abortion.           1606 01:25:44,150 --> 01:25:46,390           [crowd cheering]           1607 01:25:46,430 --> 01:25:50,110           [women chanting]           1608 01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:53,910             [woman]   Yeah,                  I'm proud to be Irish today     1609 01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:55,990            I think Ireland's                       coming so far,           1610 01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:58,110        in the last ten years,           and I think it's really showing  1611 01:25:58,110 --> 01:25:59,230     that we're not so influenced     1612 01:25:59,230 --> 01:26:01,030    by the church as much anymore.    1613 01:26:04,190 --> 01:26:05,990       [Roisin]   Wherever there's                that righteous anger        1614 01:26:06,030 --> 01:26:08,150             of a woman now,                 who is making a difference,     1615 01:26:08,190 --> 01:26:10,190          who's changing things,       1616 01:26:10,230 --> 01:26:12,310            who's standing up                   and being courageous.        1617 01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:15,790         That is where the little               sparks of Sinéad are.        1618 01:26:15,790 --> 01:26:18,070            [music playing]           1619 01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:25,470         We are seeing the rights                 that people fought                  for being pulled back,       1620 01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:27,350            being diminished,          1621 01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:29,790       and... to look at the power                 of speaking out,          1622 01:26:29,790 --> 01:26:32,950  and she is the absolute epitome             of what that power is.       1623 01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:37,510         We need to keep showing                 how effective it is,        1624 01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:39,430         and how important it is.      1625 01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:42,670           [crowd chanting]           1626 01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:48,430  Women's bodies are under attack!  1627 01:26:48,430 --> 01:26:50,190            What do we do?                    Stand up, fight back!        1628 01:26:58,590 --> 01:27:00,470        [Chuck D]   There's a lot        of artists that came afterward,    1629 01:27:00,470 --> 01:27:03,230          that were able to say                 and speak their mind,        1630 01:27:03,230 --> 01:27:04,510          and spill their soul.        1631 01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:09,590            She broke the ice                     for a whole decade         1632 01:27:09,630 --> 01:27:11,430              or two decades                    of artists after her.        1633 01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:15,630            [upbeat music]            1634 01:27:29,710 --> 01:27:31,590        [reporter]   A government                  inquiry last year          1635 01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:32,790         found some Irish bishops      1636 01:27:32,830 --> 01:27:34,630      put their church's reputation    1637 01:27:34,670 --> 01:27:36,790           before the interests                    of their flock,           1638 01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:40,510      actively covering up clerical           child abuse for 30 years.      1639 01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:42,790             But the scandals                   go far beyond Ireland,       1640 01:27:42,830 --> 01:27:44,830  and touch the Vatican directly.    1641 01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:47,470        Last week, it was alleged                that Pope Benedict,         1642 01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:49,310              then known as                      Cardinal Ratzinger,         1643 01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:51,510  had prevented the church trial,    1644 01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:54,670        of an American paedophile               priest, in the 1990s.        1645 01:27:54,710 --> 01:27:58,110        The church in Ireland,         must acknowledge before the Lord  1646 01:27:58,150 --> 01:28:01,590              and others,                  the serious sins committed      1647 01:28:01,630 --> 01:28:03,870     against defenceless children.    1648 01:28:09,790 --> 01:28:13,230              [Kathleen]                   Sinéad O'Connor as an artist,              forged her own path         1649 01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:16,310           in a world that just                 was not ready for her.       1650 01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:18,190           This young upstart,         1651 01:28:18,190 --> 01:28:20,550      with the most beautiful voice                you can imagine,          1652 01:28:20,590 --> 01:28:26,350        showed up, and just rocked      the shit out of the horse cart.    1653 01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:28,350           I don't want to see                     her as a martyr,          1654 01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:30,310              because she's                      a three-dimensional                       human being.            1655 01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:32,790           She makes mistakes,               she's a weirdo, she's great,    1656 01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:35,550               she's a lot                       of different things.        1657 01:28:35,550 --> 01:28:37,350           She did not deserve                      what she got.            1658 01:28:39,230 --> 01:28:42,390             [calm music]             1659 01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:46,150     [Sinéad]   I regret that people             treated me like shit,        1660 01:28:46,150 --> 01:28:50,390         and I regret that I was                  so wounded already         1661 01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:54,110            that that really,               really killed me and hurt me.    1662 01:28:54,150 --> 01:28:56,230                You know?              1663 01:28:56,230 --> 01:28:58,470      They all thought that I should            be made a mockery of        1664 01:28:58,470 --> 01:29:01,150               for throwing                   my career down the drain.      1665 01:29:01,150 --> 01:29:02,750             I never set out                      to be a pop star,          1666 01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:04,750            it didn't suit me                     being a pop star.          1667 01:29:04,750 --> 01:29:07,790        So I didn't throw away any          fucking career that I wanted.    1668 01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:11,070        Didn't change my attitude.     1669 01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:12,990             I wasn't sorry,                     I didn't regret it,         1670 01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:16,750        it was the proudest thing            I've ever done as an artist.    1671 01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:20,510           They broke my heart                   and they killed me,                    but I didn't die.          1672 01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:24,270          They tried to bury me,       1673 01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:25,710           they didn't realize                      I was a seed.            1674 01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:33,710        Thank you for hearing me     1675 01:29:35,710 --> 01:29:40,630        Thank you for hearing me     1676 01:29:42,670 --> 01:29:47,550        Thank you for hearing me     1677 01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:54,870        Thank you for hearing me     1678 01:30:00,630 --> 01:30:06,630        Thank you for loving me      1679 01:30:06,670 --> 01:30:11,550        Thank you for loving me      1680 01:30:12,910 --> 01:30:18,510        Thank you for loving me      1681 01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:23,750        Thank you for loving me      1682 01:30:28,110 --> 01:30:33,870        Which means forsaking me     1683 01:30:33,870 --> 01:30:39,710        Thank you for seeing me      1684 01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:45,750        Thank you for seeing me      1685 01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:51,350        Thank you for seeing me      1686 01:30:55,710 --> 01:31:01,430         And for not leaving me      1687 01:31:01,470 --> 01:31:06,550         And for not leaving me      1688 01:31:07,950 --> 01:31:13,910         And for not leaving me      1689 01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:19,150         And for not leaving me      1690 01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:29,110                Thank you                      For staying with me         1691 01:31:29,150 --> 01:31:35,550                Thank you                      For staying with me         1692 01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:40,910                Thank you                      For staying with me         1693 01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:46,670                Thank you                      For staying with me         1694 01:31:50,710 --> 01:31:56,470       Thanks for not hurting me     1695 01:31:56,470 --> 01:32:01,950       Thanks for not hurting me     1696 01:32:01,950 --> 01:32:07,910       Thanks for not hurting me     1697 01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:13,710       Thanks for not hurting me     1698 01:32:18,270 --> 01:32:24,190         You are gentle with me      1699 01:32:24,230 --> 01:32:29,070         You are gentle with me      1700 01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:36,590         You are gentle with me      1701 01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:42,070         You are gentle with me      1702 01:32:45,790 --> 01:32:51,590       Thanks for silence with me   1703 01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:56,750       Thanks for silence with me   1704 01:32:58,150 --> 01:33:04,030       Thanks for silence with me   1705 01:33:04,030 --> 01:33:09,350       Thanks for silence with me   1706 01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:20,070        Thank you for holding me     1707 01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:26,430         And saying I could be       1708 01:33:26,430 --> 01:33:32,270                Thank you                       For saying, "Baby"         1709 01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:37,150        Thank you for holding me     1710 01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:47,310        Thank you for helping me     1711 01:33:47,310 --> 01:33:53,110        Thank you for helping me     1712 01:33:53,150 --> 01:33:58,910        Thank you for helping me     1713 01:33:58,950 --> 01:34:02,710               Thank you             1714 01:34:02,710 --> 01:34:06,310        Thank you for helping me     1715 01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:15,230                Thank you                     For breaking my heart        1716 01:34:15,230 --> 01:34:20,990                Thank you                      For tearing me apart        1717 01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:24,390           Now I've a strong         1718 01:34:24,430 --> 01:34:27,430              Strong heart           1719 01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:30,590               Thank you             1720 01:34:30,630 --> 01:34:36,470         For breaking my heart       1721 01:34:44,350 --> 01:34:47,310             [vocalizing]             220363

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