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[audience applauding]
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[announcer] All right.
I gotta tell you,
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I'm real proud to introduce
this next artist
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whose name's become synonymous
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with courage and integrity.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
Sinéad O'Connor.
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[audience boos and cheers]
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Thank you.
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-[videotape squeals]
-[boos and cheers continue]
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[mysterious music]
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[Sinéad] I didn't mean
to be strong.
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I wasn't thinking to myself,
I must be strong.
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I didn't know I was strong.
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I did suffer through a lot
because everybody felt
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it was okay to kick
the shit out of me.
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I regret that I was
so sad because of it.
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I regret that I spent
so many years
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very lonely and isolated,
really.
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Ran down
And the lady said it
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Got torn down
And the priest just said it
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Got burned down, ooh
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They give me five years
Ooh, five years
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It's my turn
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Oh, oh, Jerusalem
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Oh, oh, Jerusalem
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[roars]
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There was no therapy
when I was growing up.
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So the reason I got into
music group was therapy,
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which is why it was
such a shock for me
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to become a pop star,
it's not what I wanted.
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I just wanted to scream.
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Everybody in music has a story
in terms of their upbringing
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or where they came from
or what they went through.
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There's something they need
to get off their chest,
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and perhaps we all need
a bit of love and affection
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that we didn't get
anywhere else
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but we get by making music.
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Come on over there and sit down.
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They're all, they're all
looking at you, Sinéad,
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out there in television land.
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They're saying "Mother of God,
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what did she do with her head?
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Isn't that a disgrace?
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I hope my daughter
wouldn't turn out like that."
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Isn't that what you're saying?
Yes, you are.
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Already, you are.
How are you then?
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-I'm fine, thank you.
How are you?
-Well done so far.
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Now from Glenageary,
you were a difficult child,
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Sinéad O'Connor,
you were difficult growing up.
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You went through a lot
of schools, did you not?
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I think quite a few,
at the expense of my father.
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How many schools
did you go through and why?
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Um... I think, I don't know
how many, Dad? About five.
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Five or six.
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[host] How many schools
did she go through?
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-I'd say no more
than five or six.
-[Host] Five or six.
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That's a bit
exaggerated actually.
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That's in one year, of course.
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And for me
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Some scarlet ribbons
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Scarlet ribbons
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For my hair...
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[Sinéad] My very first
musical memory
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is my father singing to me,
"Scarlet Ribbons".
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I just remember
being blown away.
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Like I remember like yesterday
I was lying on my pillow
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and my dad would
sing the song to me
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and I was like, "Oh, my God."
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The angels came in
the window.
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...all the streets were dark
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When I'm 11, my brother comes
home with " Slow Train Coming,"
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which completely
changes my life
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and makes me want
to be a musician,
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and makes me
want to be an artist,
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and makes me know what
kind of artist I want to be
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because of the song
"Gotta Serve Somebody."
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And I was obsessed
with Bob Dylan from then on.
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My mother had this
fantastic record collection
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which she would spread out
on the dining room table
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every morning
like a deck of cards.
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Her musical tastes
ranged from John Lennon
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right through awful kind of
HMS Pinafore, Light Opera,
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right through to, like,
Porgy and Bess.
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And also in those days,
musicals were huge.
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That was all that
was ever on telly,
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was these just high class
musicals, you know.
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My mother always had
the soundtracks to them.
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My father was into cello,
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which I used to find
just too sad,
given our circumstances.
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My parents separated
when I was quite young,
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and my mother
was a very violent woman,
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not a healthy woman
mentally at all.
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And she was physically
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and verbally
and psychologically,
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spiritually and
emotionally abusive.
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[tense music]
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My mother was a beast,
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and I was able to soothe her
with my voice,
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I was able to use my voice
to make the devil fall asleep.
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My father is the type
of man that didn't want
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anyone talking
about what happened,
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and that's what
was wrong with me.
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It wasn't talked about,
even in the family.
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The cause of my own abuse
was the church's effect
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on this country,
which had produced my mother.
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I spent my entire childhood
being beaten up
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because of the social
conditions
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under which my mother grew up
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and under which
her mother grew up
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and under which her mother
and her mother grew up.
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I would compare Ireland
to an abused child.
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I'd a terrible
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Broken heart
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I'd a terrible
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Broken heart...
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[Sinéad] I began
studying scriptures
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when I was very small,
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because I wanted to see
what was in this book
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that they were using
to oppress my people.
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Why were my grandparents
so miserable
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that they couldn't have a kiss
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without feeling like they
were going to burn in hell?
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[Father Brian] The church
influenced everything.
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If it was a sin, then it was
against the law of the state.
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So divorce, contraception,
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and anything that
didn't agree entirely
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with a very narrow view
of the Catholic church,
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it was simply not allowed.
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It affected
every level of society.
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It was a mortal sin,
for example,
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to go to a dance
in some diocese,
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that didn't end at midnight.
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It was a mortal sin
to eat meat on a Friday.
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You could go to hell for
eating a sausage on a Friday.
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Everything was gathered around
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the power of the church
over its people.
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[Sinéad] I had loved
the Catholic church,
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and I had grown up
so religious,
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like stupidly religious.
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I made my holy communion
and I took it seriously.
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That was a contract
with the holy spirit I made,
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and I believed it all,
and I was trying to live it.
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[tense music]
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I went into care when I was 14,
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into care home for want
of a better description.
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I was a bit messed up.
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And it wasn't acknowledged
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what had happened to me
in my mother's house.
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I was unmanageable, really,
so they didn't want me at home.
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The place was called
"An Grianan,"
which means "The Sunrise."
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[Jeannette] An Grianan was
a residential training centre
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run by a religious order,
by sisters.
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The girls came
from mixed backgrounds.
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Some had come from
other children's homes,
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have been in care
all their lives.
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Others had come from
insecure family settings
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and they needed somewhere
where there was structure
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and safety for a few years.
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[Sinéad] They got
a guitar teacher in
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who was the loveliest
woman alive,
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who I still know
and I still talk to
now and then.
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She's bloody lovely.
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If not for her, I wouldn't have
made it through that place.
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[Jeannette]
The first night, I was there
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doing music with the girls,
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I asked her, would she like
to sing a song for us.
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And I won't forget it
as long as I live,
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because we were just stunned.
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We needed to encourage her
in this wonderful talent.
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Ooh, I'm freezing!
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[Jeannette] When we decided
to get married,
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I asked Sinéad then
to do the solo.
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And she sang "Evergreen,"
which was my favourite song.
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One love
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Ageless and ever
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Evergreen
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[Jeannette]
The emotion of the song
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almost brought people to tears.
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It was stunning.
It was absolutely stunning.
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[Sinéad] In the congregation
was her brother, Paul Byrne,
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and then he was forming
this band called In Tua Nua.
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[Paul] We were
searching for a singer.
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So when I heard this voice,
it stopped me in my tracks.
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After chatting with Sinéad
on the steps of the church,
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I'd arranged to go up
and see her at An Grianan.
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We gave her a tape
and she phoned the next day.
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She had the lyrics
and the melody done.
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So we went back up
the next night
and she sang it to us,
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and it was spectacular.
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We had to book
a couple of hours
on a Wednesday afternoon
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because Sinéad got a half day
from school on a Wednesday.
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Picked her up, did two hours
of vocals with her,
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and then had her back
before the nuns noticed
she was missing. [laughs]
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[Sinéad] So the first
song that I wrote,
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which became
their first single,
was called "Take My Hand."
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It was a result
of the punishment
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the nun meted out
to me one day,
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the nun, she could
be terribly kind,
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but she could also be
terribly cruel as well.
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Where I was, was attached
to a Magdalene Laundry.
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She sent me to sleep
in the hospice part
of the laundry
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as punishment
a couple of times,
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to remind me that
if I didn't behave myself,
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I was going to end up
like these women.
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When I went up, there was
no staff there with the ladies.
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There was never
any nuns or nurses.
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And the poor ancient ladies
who were the Magdalene girls
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were lying in their beds
calling out for nurses
all night
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that never came, it was awful.
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I didn't know what to do,
and obviously, I was terrified.
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Take my hand
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[tense music]
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[Jeannette] These women,
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we're now talking
about the early '80s,
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some of them have been
there from the 1920s.
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These women, who through
no fault of their own,
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had just been put in
by the courts and by men.
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Very often the cases were
they had been raped
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by maybe the local priest,
the doctor, the father,
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or some pillar of society.
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They had to pay the price
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and were locked away
for their whole lives.
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[Sinéad] The whole of Ireland
talks about these ladies,
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but I met them, I met them
at their most vulnerable.
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These people convinced my
father that they could help me
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with whatever
behavioural issues I had
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as a result of what had
happened to me growing up.
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But they didn't, they just
shut the door in his face
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when he dropped me there,
they took his money.
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The problems were compounded.
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We all were
walking around thinking
we were terrible people
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that didn't deserve to live.
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My father, I'm sure
the world would acknowledge,
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deserves a refund.
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Young woman
With a drink in her hand
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She liked to listen
To rock and roll
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She moves with the music
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'Cause it never gets old
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[Clodagh] Sinéad
and I met when we were
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both around 18 years old.
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We were very close
for a number of years
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until life kind of took us
in different directions.
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She really wanted
to be doing her music.
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I think she really knew
what she wanted to do,
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but I don't quite know
if she knew
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what path it would take her on.
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[Sinéad] I put an ad
in Hot Press magazine
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that I was a singer
and I wanted to
find a band to join.
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And I remember going
into these suburban houses,
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doing auditions for these
various different bands.
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Eventually I ended up
meeting this dude
called Colm Farrelly
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who was
putting together this band
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Ton Ton Macoute, so I became
the singer in that band.
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I had a job at the Bad Ass Cafe
on Crown Alley,
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and we used to rehearse
right across the road from it.
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We did nothing
but rehearse live,
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which is why I love
live performing.
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And every rehearsal
was like a gig.
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Nigel Grainge and Chris Hill
came over to Dublin
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to see us, Ton Ton Macoute.
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[tense music]
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About six months later,
my mother unfortunately died,
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very selfishly.
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Months after that,
I get a phone call
from Chris and Nigel.
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He said, "Well,
why don't you come to London
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and do some demos?"
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For five long years
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I thought you were my man
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But I found out
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I'm just a link
In your chain
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You got me
Where you want me
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I ain't nothin'
But your fool
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You treated me mean
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Oh, you treated me cruel
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[Mike] I worked with Sinéad
from her arrival in London
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through to the development
of and the recording
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of her first album,
"Lion and the Cobra."
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Our job as a sort of group
of musicians from the outset
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was to help her
to find her feet.
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She'd already found her voice,
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but she wanted to find
the sort of musical clothing
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that she wanted to wrap
around that amazing voice.
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[man] What's it called?
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Um, we haven't got
a name for it yet.
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[John] So we went into
a rehearsal studio in Putney
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and started
to routine the songs
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and get used to the dynamics
and arrangements.
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It makes a big difference
if you can go in
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and rehearse for a long time.
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Nigel Grange was the head
of Ensign at the time.
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He was quite used to putting
people into a position
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of being able to work
for long periods.
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So he's a kind of nurturer.
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I'm just as guilty as you
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I'm just as ashamed as you
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[John] The first time
I heard Sinéad's voice,
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it's just unbelievable.
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It was jumping octaves
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and going from whisper
to scream in half a second.
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I mean, it was just amazing,
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a young kid from Dublin,
you know.
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And
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I'm just as guilty as you
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[sombre music]
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[Sinéad] You often
hear artists saying
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that they're
channelling something.
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I think actually
you're channelling yourself.
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Your subconscious
is talking to you.
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I just had these songs
inside me
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that had to come out.
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[John] They were very,
very personal
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and they were
sort of cathartic, really.
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There were kind of songs
to help her, to heal her.
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[Mike] In some respects,
I think the band that we were,
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the band of musicians
who were around her,
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were something of
a family for her.
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We were safe.
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Fachtna O'Ceallaigh had been
Boomtown Rats' manager
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and had run U2's label.
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He came over to London
and became Sinéad's manager.
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[reggae music]
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[Sinéad] I had a great time
hanging out with Fachtna,
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and Fachtna used to bring
me to Portobello Road
on Saturdays,
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where he had
his friend Lepkey, and Leroy.
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He used to have
the Dread Broadcasting Company
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and they had the open mics.
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[Sinéad] Bearing
in mind I'm Irish
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and I've come
from the theocracy,
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and these guys
were coming along
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roaring about the Pope
is the devil,
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and fucking burn the Vatican
and all this stuff,
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so that was like,
"Oh, my God, I'm home."
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I couldn't believe it.
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I fell in love with
Rasta at that point.
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[upbeat music]
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Love to everyone. You're back
in tune to The Rankin' Miss P,
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on DBC, the Dread
Broadcasting Corporation,
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103.8 every Friday.
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We're electric, y'all.
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[upbeat drum music]
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[John] She was really shy
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and she was living down
in east London with her auntie.
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She didn't know anyone,
and so we just hung out.
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We did a lot of driving
around London, you know,
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with the stereo on, just having
a great time actually,
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just being kids, to be honest.
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[Mike] Ensign wanted Sinéad
to be a musical commodity.
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[Sinéad] They wanted me
to grow the hair long
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and wear short skirts
and high heels,
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makeup and the whole works,
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write songs that wouldn't
challenge anything.
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But then I come
from a country where
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there used to be riots
in the streets over plays.
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That's what art is for.
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[Mike] That led to her deciding
to shave off all her hair.
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[mysterious music]
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[Clodagh] At the time, I was
her closest female friend.
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I think... I went
to see some friends,
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and when I got back
to her flat,
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she wouldn't open the door.
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She just said,
"I can't, I can't.
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You got to look
through the letter box,
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I've done something
and you're going to kill me."
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I looked through the letterbox
and there she was
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with a completely shaved head.
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[dramatic music]
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[John] The label were
trying to brand Sinéad
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with those really obvious
generic female labels.
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Obviously she was having
absolutely none of it.
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You just looked at
somebody and went,
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"We know now what
we're dealing with."
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It's a powerful statement
for a woman because she says,
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"Don't fuck with me."
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[Sinéad] Me and John
were friends for a year
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before, you know, we ever
went out with each other.
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We were both going out
with different people
and everything.
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And then we just kind
of drifted into it,
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and then within a month
I was pregnant.
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The record companies
in those days
had their own doctors
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that they sent you to.
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The doctor announces that
the record company have spent
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a hundred thousand pounds
making your record,
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you owe it to them
not to have this baby.
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[Mike] Ensign tried
to dissuade her
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from carrying on the pregnancy
and giving birth to Jake,
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and thankfully, she
obviously stood her ground,
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but they did
put pressure on her
to terminate the pregnancy.
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[Sinéad] That was
the final straw for me.
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I was sick of the
fuckin' record anyway.
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I hated the fuckin' record.
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[Mike] There was a big fallout.
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Fachtna O'Ceallaigh
was working very hard
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to persuade the label
to just give her scope,
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to just change tack.
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Basically they said,
"Have a go."
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[Sinéad] In my part,
it was a response to them
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telling me I owe it to them
to not have my baby.
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And I was like,
"well, it ain't worth it
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for a shit fuckin' record."
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I just knew that I didn't
want any man telling me
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who I could be or what I could
be or what to sound like.
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I came from
a patriarchal country
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where I'm being told
everything I can and can't do
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because I'm a girl.
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I figured,
well, if I didn't take
it from the system
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and I didn't take
it from my daddy,
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I ain't taking it
from anybody else.
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Can I do two?
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[humming]
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[John] The whole of
"The Lion and the Cobra"
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was completely scrapped
and we started again.
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That was a really important
turning point in that record.
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The second version was fresher,
younger, and spontaneous.
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Put your hands on me
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Put 'em on, put 'em on
Put 'em on me
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Hands, gimme love
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Hands, gimme those
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I want your
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Gimme, yes
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Gimme this
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[Sinéad] When we got
the first album cover,
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I was frozen like a rabbit
in the headlights
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getting my picture taken.
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Put on the album and got me
to scream along with the album.
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So that's why
there's the picture of me
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looks like I'm screaming,
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which they wouldn't
use in America
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because it was too
aggressive-looking
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as far as they were concerned.
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[Kate] I didn't realize
that they'd have to do
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a different one for America.
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It was only when it came out
and I thought,
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"Yeah, of course
they couldn't have
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a picture of her screaming."
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00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:09,510
You know, that would
scare too many people.
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I had to photograph
her for the cover
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from the shoulders up
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because the record company
didn't want to see her
pregnant.
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Once we had got the pictures
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that we knew
the record company needed,
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we just did what we wanted.
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It was, you know,
a joy to photograph
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this little girl with her
bald head and her big belly,
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amazing looking.
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[Peaches] I think her image
screamed more than feminism,
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beyond feminism at the time.
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I think it was just
like non-binary,
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incredible intersectional
feminist attitude.
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Her fashion sense was like
35 years ahead of the time.
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[Maybury] People found it
problematic just because
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they read the language of
skinhead into the shaved head.
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It suggested some
kind of aggression,
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but actually the beauty
of her features,
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the quality of her eyes,
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it created a fantastic
contradiction.
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As a filmmaker, gave me
a very graphic, powerful image
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from the get-go.
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[Sinéad] Anytime I worked
with John Maybury,
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it was amazing
'cos he came with
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a whole gang
of glorious queens.
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The set makers, stylists,
the makeup people, you know,
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and they like
genuinely adored me.
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[audience cheering]
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I felt so safe
and looked after.
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I felt like I had like
a hundred daddies.
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[relaxed music]
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You do
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Something to me
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[Maybury] She recognized
in us kind of a sense of
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some kind of kindred spirit,
but there was no judgement.
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There was no critiquing
in any kind of personal terms.
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And she was free to be who
she wanted to be within that
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because everyone else was free
to be who they wanted to be.
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[Sinéad] I had never,
until I went to London,
seen gay people.
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They were so inspiring
and still are to me,
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especially the ones that
were dressing like women.
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You couldn't
do that in Ireland.
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You'd have the shit kicked
out of you, you know?
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Let me live
'neath your spell
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Do do that voodoo
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That you do so well
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For you do
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Something to me
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That nobody else
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Can do
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That nobody else
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Can do
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[crowd cheering]
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Why I like performing
and why I like singing loud
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and stuff like that is because
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I am quietly spoken
and quite withdrawn...
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and into myself,
and in my, sort of,
normal life,
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so it's quite a release
to climb on the stage
and scream for an hour.
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At the end of my day
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Nothing would
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Nothing would
Please me better
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00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:58,790
Than I find that you're there
When I wake
498
00:30:01,110 --> 00:30:05,110
Just like you
Said it would be
499
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:07,710
Just like you
Said it would be
500
00:30:09,670 --> 00:30:11,950
Just like you
Said it would be
501
00:30:13,950 --> 00:30:16,550
Just like you
Said it would be
502
00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:22,390
Will you be my lover?
503
00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:26,150
Will you be my mama?
504
00:30:26,150 --> 00:30:29,950
I said
Will you my my mama?
505
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:34,910
[Sinéad] There are a lot
of songs that I've written
506
00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:38,270
about my mother's death
or in response to her death.
507
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:40,590
And " Troy," I think
was the first one.
508
00:30:42,270 --> 00:30:44,270
It's also the first song
I've wrote
509
00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:46,950
where I'm telling anybody
about anything that's happened.
510
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:48,950
I'll remember it
511
00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:55,390
Dublin in a rainstorm
512
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:59,830
And sitting
In the long grass in summer
513
00:30:59,830 --> 00:31:03,070
Keeping warm...
514
00:31:03,070 --> 00:31:04,670
One of the very
traumatic things
515
00:31:04,670 --> 00:31:06,430
that happened to me growing up,
516
00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:08,390
was that my mother
had me living in the garden.
517
00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:10,230
So once when I was
eight-and-a-half,
518
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:14,950
I lived in the garden
24/7 for a week or two.
519
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:17,470
I'm talking in that song
about that experience,
520
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:19,550
the whole thing of sitting
in the long grass in summer
521
00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:22,390
trying to keep warm.
522
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:24,510
So I'm out in the garden
in the fucking dark
523
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:26,310
and when it's coming to dusk
and I still hate dusk
524
00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:28,230
to this day, I don't mind
if it's day or night,
525
00:31:28,270 --> 00:31:30,790
but dusk, I don't like.
526
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:32,790
And I'd be looking up
at the only window
527
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,950
at the side of the house
where she'd have a light on
528
00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:37,470
and I'd be screaming,
begging her to let me in.
529
00:31:37,470 --> 00:31:39,070
And she wouldn't let me in,
the light would go off,
530
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:40,750
the house go dark.
531
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:46,150
Every other song I'm writing
is about somebody else
532
00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:47,830
or from the point of view
of somebody else.
533
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:50,350
"Troy" is the first song
I've written about me.
534
00:31:50,390 --> 00:31:54,110
It's not a song,
it's a fucking testament.
535
00:31:56,950 --> 00:32:00,230
And you should've
Left the light on
536
00:32:00,230 --> 00:32:04,590
You should've
Left the light on
537
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:09,470
Then I wouldn't have tried
You'd never have known
538
00:32:12,750 --> 00:32:16,150
And I wouldn't have
Pulled you tighter
539
00:32:16,150 --> 00:32:20,190
No, I wouldn't have
Pulled you close
540
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:21,630
I wouldn't have screamed
541
00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:25,030
No, I can't let you go
542
00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:28,110
If the door wasn't closed
543
00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:31,990
No, I wouldn't have
Pulled you to me
544
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:36,070
No, I wouldn't have kissed
Your face
545
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:38,830
You wouldn't have
Begged me to hold you
546
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:43,390
If we hadn't been there
In the first place
547
00:32:43,390 --> 00:32:48,870
Oh, but I know you
Wanted me to be there
548
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:52,310
Oh, oh
549
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:57,750
Every look
That you threw told me so
550
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:02,950
"Troy" is not safe.
551
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:04,670
I don't need
to dig that up again.
552
00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:06,110
It's like trauma therapy.
553
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:10,230
There would've been
no point writing
554
00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:12,550
and/or going around
the world screaming "Troy"
555
00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:14,670
into microphones, if there
wasn't going to come a day,
556
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:17,030
one day that I didn't
need to do that anymore.
557
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:24,630
Make no difference
What you say
558
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:26,550
You're still a liar
559
00:33:28,750 --> 00:33:30,550
You're still a liar
560
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:35,750
You're still a liar
561
00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:44,750
[crowd cheering]
562
00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:51,630
[John] Sinéad was pregnant
all through the making
563
00:33:51,670 --> 00:33:53,270
of "The Lion and the Cobra."
564
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:55,310
And I think in many
ways, actually,
565
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:58,710
it was quite grounding
to have a baby very young.
566
00:33:58,710 --> 00:34:01,910
In some way, I think it
probably kept us sane.
567
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:08,110
There's nothing more deep
and real than a baby.
568
00:34:08,150 --> 00:34:09,990
And there's nothing more
fake and unimportant
569
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:13,230
than fame, really.
570
00:34:13,230 --> 00:34:15,150
Dana Dane making her first
appearance on Top of the Pops.
571
00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:17,110
Here's another lady making
her first appearance.
572
00:34:17,110 --> 00:34:18,670
She's got an excellent
new album out at the moment
573
00:34:18,670 --> 00:34:20,230
called "The Lion
and the Cobra",
574
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:22,550
and a single Mandinka
at 22 in the charts.
575
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:24,390
This is Sinéad O'Connor.
576
00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:26,630
[crowd cheering]
577
00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:28,390
[Clodagh] I remember watching
578
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:30,110
Sinéad on
Top of the Pops.
579
00:34:30,110 --> 00:34:32,710
It's just seemed quite
surreal to be honest,
580
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:34,830
because she was just my friend,
581
00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:39,510
but she was this other person
in other people's eyes.
582
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:44,790
I'm dancing the seven veils
583
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:48,790
Want you to pick up
My scarf
584
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:52,550
See how
The black moon fades
585
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:56,350
Soon I can give you
My heart
586
00:34:59,030 --> 00:35:01,230
[vocalizing]
587
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:12,790
I don't know no shame
588
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:14,150
I feel no pain
589
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:18,950
I can't see the flame
590
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:25,870
But I do know Mandinka
591
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:33,990
I do know Mandinka
592
00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:41,470
I do know Mandinka
593
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:45,350
I do
594
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:50,710
[John] When "Mandinka"
was released,
595
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:52,550
it just jumps out
of the radio,
it was one of those songs.
596
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:57,790
Oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh
597
00:35:57,790 --> 00:36:02,670
I do, oh, oh, oh
598
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:09,670
I said I do
599
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:15,030
I swear I do...
600
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:16,830
[John Grant] You know,
it was almost like
she had always been there
601
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:19,350
once she came on the scene
because you really
602
00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:21,910
couldn't imagine your life
without her at that point.
603
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:26,070
I do Mandinka...
604
00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:29,910
[John Grant] I heard "Mandinka"
at a club in Boulder, Colorado.
605
00:36:29,950 --> 00:36:32,470
I just remember hearing
the voice and it's nothing
606
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:36,110
other than something
that stops you in your tracks.
607
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:38,470
Soon I can give
You my heart...
608
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:41,870
[John Grant] I hear that voice
and I feel comforted.
609
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:50,630
[crowd cheering]
610
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:52,510
[John Grant] And that
first album, like,
611
00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:55,390
the entire thing
was just stunning.
612
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:58,950
Telling me he'd be home
613
00:36:58,990 --> 00:37:02,630
Sailed the seas
For a hundred years
614
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:07,710
Leaving me all alone
615
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:10,790
[Bill] "The Lion and the Cobra"
was an amazing album
616
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:13,190
just because there
was no filler on it.
617
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:14,910
So as a critic,
you know, that was one
of the first things
618
00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:16,870
that drew me to it.
619
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:19,990
She also has a very
singular voice and perspective
620
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:23,870
and very strong
personality-wise.
621
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:25,710
To me, it was like
the whole package.
622
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:28,110
I remember the day
The young man came
623
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:31,830
He said, "Your Jackie's gone
We got lost in the rain"
624
00:37:31,870 --> 00:37:35,070
And I ran to the beach
625
00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:36,910
And laid me down...
626
00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:39,150
[Elaine] The thing about
"The Lion and the Cobra" is,
627
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:42,510
you don't get that as
a debut album every day.
628
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:45,470
Those things come
like once in a lifetime.
629
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:47,070
Like the back of his hand
630
00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:49,990
He'll be back sometime
631
00:37:50,030 --> 00:37:52,070
Laughing at you...
632
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:53,870
[interviewer] And many times
in your performances,
633
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:56,670
there's an intensity, almost
a rage burning inside of you.
634
00:37:56,670 --> 00:37:58,190
Where does that come from?
635
00:37:58,230 --> 00:38:00,670
You're a small, demure,
quiet sort of person.
636
00:38:00,670 --> 00:38:02,270
I don't know.
637
00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:03,590
Perhaps there's something
twisted about me
638
00:38:03,590 --> 00:38:06,190
that I haven't realized yet.
639
00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:08,830
You've also said that
non-traditional Irish musicians
640
00:38:08,830 --> 00:38:12,470
seem to have to leave
Ireland to make it.
641
00:38:12,510 --> 00:38:15,630
If you're a woman
in particular, and unless
642
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:18,830
you're very sort of timid
and you want to make
643
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:21,630
nice Irish music,
which I respect and everything,
644
00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:23,430
life can be very difficult
for you because people
645
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:26,270
can't actually handle a woman
doing anything different.
646
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:34,230
When I leave Ireland,
it's virtually unheard of
647
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:36,630
for a woman to be
making her own living
648
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:38,710
and independent of men.
649
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:45,030
The Irish fucking constitution
still contains the wording
650
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:47,070
that a woman's place
is in the home.
651
00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:51,630
So I was very lucky, from 1985
I was making my own living.
652
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:54,670
So many people in this country,
women in particular,
653
00:38:54,670 --> 00:38:58,830
had to say no when they wanted
to say yes to themselves,
654
00:38:58,870 --> 00:39:01,710
or be open about their anger.
655
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:04,830
At that time in Ireland, women
weren't allowed to be angry.
656
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:06,670
And I think that might've
been hard for some of them
657
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:08,670
because, you know,
they had spent their whole life
658
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:10,390
saying no to themselves.
659
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:13,070
[women singing]
660
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:22,470
[man] Tonight, the Grammy
awards are presenting
661
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:24,990
best rock vocal
performance female.
662
00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:27,070
Our first performer
is 21 years old,
663
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:29,310
comes from Ireland
and with her very first album,
664
00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:31,670
"The Lion and the Cobra",
she has served notice
665
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:33,510
that this
is no ordinary talent.
666
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:36,030
Ladies and gentlemen,
please meet Sinéad O'Connor.
667
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:37,710
[crowd cheering and clapping]
668
00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:55,670
I'm dancing the seven veils
669
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:59,430
Want you to pick up
My scarf
670
00:39:59,430 --> 00:40:03,310
See how
The black moon fades
671
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:06,990
Soon I can
Give you my heart...
672
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:08,910
[John] I remember talking to
her the next day and she said,
673
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:12,230
"Oh, my God, I went
on stage and Stevie Wonder
674
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:14,870
was sitting in the front row."
675
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:18,790
And we were
Stevie Wonder freaks.
676
00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:21,390
So this was quite a leap,
you know.
677
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:23,750
I don't know no shame
678
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:25,270
I feel no pain
679
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:30,150
I can't see the flame
680
00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:37,750
But I do know Man-din-ka
681
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:42,150
[Sinéad] You know,
you're there and you're looking
682
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:43,910
at all these people
that you've watched
on the television
683
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:45,710
and there's people like
Quincy Jones and Stevie Wonder
684
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:47,350
and I was just like... [gasps]
685
00:40:47,350 --> 00:40:51,150
I do know Mandinka...
686
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:53,350
As I sang Mandinka,
I had "Jake's baby girl"
687
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:55,870
on the back of my pants
and I had
Public Enemy logo painted
688
00:40:55,870 --> 00:40:57,750
into the side of my head.
689
00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,030
They decided they
wouldn't go to the Grammy's
690
00:41:00,030 --> 00:41:02,390
quite rightly because
they were protesting.
691
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:08,710
[Chuck D] I protested
the Grammy's in 1989
692
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:10,710
because they refused
to recognize
693
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:12,630
rap music and hip-hop
694
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:15,110
as a legitimate
musical category.
695
00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:17,710
I thought it was
like admirable
696
00:41:17,710 --> 00:41:21,030
when she put
the Public Enemy logo
on her head.
697
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:23,190
With Sinéad O'Connor,
you didn't get the sense
698
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:24,870
that she was
just being pretentious,
699
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:26,550
that she was fake.
700
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:28,070
It was like, yeah,
701
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:30,790
she seriously
has issues with this.
702
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:33,030
This is what's going
to drive her artistry,
703
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:34,390
she's committed to that.
704
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:42,910
[crowd cheering and clapping]
705
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:45,510
[Elaine]
It was a brilliant performance.
706
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:47,750
At that point, she was
the darling of everyone.
707
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:54,870
[Sinéad]
In one way, I loved it.
708
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:57,270
Obviously I was
a very young woman
709
00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:00,030
and you kind of fantasize
about being famous.
710
00:42:00,070 --> 00:42:03,630
In another way,
I was frightened by it.
711
00:42:03,630 --> 00:42:06,030
What maybe was difficult
for me was the timing
712
00:42:06,030 --> 00:42:07,990
of the success thing,
it meant that I suddenly had
713
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:12,070
this identity and I didn't
feel like it was really me.
714
00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:15,790
To be honest, I also had
very little self-esteem.
715
00:42:15,830 --> 00:42:18,710
I couldn't understand why
anyone liked my records.
716
00:42:22,350 --> 00:42:24,910
Let me tell you
how stupid I am. Um...
717
00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:26,990
Okay.
718
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:28,790
We were sitting here
doing this interview
719
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:31,510
and I had accepted the fact
that your head was shaved
720
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:34,190
and didn't even think
about it very much.
721
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:36,510
Well, that's good, that means
we don't have to talk about it.
722
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:38,550
I know, but I see,
everybody else in America
723
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:40,310
is looking at me saying,
724
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:42,630
"Why doesn't that idiot ask her
why her head is shaved?"
725
00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:44,870
So now I'm doing it.
726
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:47,910
I just cut my hair because
I wanted to cut my hair,
you know?
727
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:50,110
It's like, you know,
I wear red knickers one day
728
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:52,470
because I want to wear
red knickers, you know?
729
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:54,310
And then black another day.
730
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:55,950
We wouldn't call those
knickers though, we'd call it--
731
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:57,750
-No.
-[mellow acoustic guitar]
732
00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:09,910
[John] We got married
at the spiritualist centre
in Sloane Square
733
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:13,070
and we'd been going to
the spiritualist centre a lot
734
00:43:13,070 --> 00:43:15,630
because obviously,
Sinéad lost her mom,
735
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:17,830
I'd lost my dad and a sister.
736
00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:20,070
And we were kind
of trying to make
737
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:23,830
some kind of spiritual
connections if we could.
738
00:43:23,830 --> 00:43:26,430
It was a sort of
a therapy for us in a way.
739
00:43:26,430 --> 00:43:29,950
We had an amazing time there,
so we got married there.
740
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:31,710
It was brilliant,
it was a great day.
741
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:35,870
[music playing]
742
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:48,670
[Margo] In 1989, we filmed
Hush-a-Bye Baby in Derry.
743
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:51,270
And it was in that
film Hush-a-Bye Baby
744
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:53,710
that Sinéad made
her acting debut.
745
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:57,270
She came over with John.
746
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:59,710
She was fairly newly married,
I think.
747
00:43:59,710 --> 00:44:01,710
She brought
her little son, Jake,
748
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:04,270
who was just a toddler
at that stage.
749
00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:08,790
Of course, I only have
eyes for Lecce Loves.
750
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:11,750
[both laugh]
751
00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:15,910
[both scream and laugh]
752
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:18,830
Jesus Christ, Nigella.
753
00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:21,230
We'll be barred
and it'll be your fault.
754
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:23,710
Sloppy tit, going on
about what's his face.
755
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:31,350
[Margo] We were trying
to contribute to the debate
756
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:35,070
that was raging in Ireland at
the time about abortion rights
757
00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:38,350
and women's sexuality
and how women
were being treated.
758
00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:40,310
And I think she had
exactly the same feelings
759
00:44:40,350 --> 00:44:43,430
like so many thousands
of other women,
760
00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:46,830
especially young women.
761
00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:49,790
[Sinéad] It's about
a 15-year-old school girl
who gets pregnant
762
00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:53,470
and about the obvious
trauma and awfulness
763
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:55,470
that she goes through
because of the fact
764
00:44:55,470 --> 00:44:57,470
that she's pregnant and the
fact that teenage pregnancy
765
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:59,670
is just the worst thing
that could possibly happen
766
00:44:59,670 --> 00:45:02,550
and people aren't very
supportive about it in general.
767
00:45:02,590 --> 00:45:05,310
And girls are made
to feel as if they're sluts
768
00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:08,310
and they're some sort
of whore, you know,
769
00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:10,190
for sleeping with somebody
and things like that.
770
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:11,990
And because of things
like the church
771
00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:14,670
and the contraceptive laws
and all that sort of thing
772
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:15,750
and the abortion laws.
773
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:25,350
[Margo] In the 80s and 90s
and obviously
the decades before that,
774
00:45:25,350 --> 00:45:28,950
women were treated
abominably in Ireland.
775
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:34,870
Women's lives were patrolled
and investigated and surveilled
776
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:39,070
and tampered with
every minute of their lives.
777
00:45:39,110 --> 00:45:40,750
It was appalling.
778
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:43,710
[women chanting]
779
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:47,710
[Roísín] There was
a sense of being in this
780
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:49,830
little backward place,
you know,
781
00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,790
where the light wasn't
really shining brightly
782
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:53,870
and you couldn't
get contraception,
783
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:57,870
you couldn't get condoms,
so this was a big issue.
784
00:45:57,870 --> 00:46:01,150
You didn't talk about sex
and you certainly
didn't talk about abortion.
785
00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:06,670
[man] It's quite a similar story
to your own, isn't it?
786
00:46:06,670 --> 00:46:08,470
No.
787
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:10,630
[man] You had a baby
when you were very young.
788
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:14,870
Last time you told me that
there were certain attitudes
in Ireland.
789
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:16,550
Yeah, except I had
a baby when I was 20
790
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:18,550
and I was living in London
and I had enough money
791
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:20,990
to get a nanny
and I had a boyfriend
who was living with me
792
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:23,110
and I wasn't in school.
793
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:27,710
And I was in a society that
doesn't look down on pregnancy
794
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:29,630
as much as Ireland does.
795
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:33,590
So I don't think you can compare
that to a 15-year-old girl
796
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:36,630
who has no money
and no boyfriend and no support
797
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:38,070
from anybody,
you know what I mean?
798
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:41,670
I think I was in very...
nice circumstances
799
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:44,030
compared to those girls.
800
00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:47,270
[rock music playing]
801
00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:56,910
It seems years
Since you held the baby...
802
00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:58,630
[Sinéad] When you put
your first album out,
803
00:46:58,670 --> 00:47:00,470
you don't really expect
anything to happen.
804
00:47:00,470 --> 00:47:03,070
You don't have any expectations
in you when you do that.
805
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:07,030
You're not aware
of the whole world
806
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:08,910
of goodies and baddies
807
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:11,350
to be discovered.
808
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:14,630
And I remember I was quite
taken aback by the whole thing,
809
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:17,590
amused at the idea of me
sitting and doing
press conferences
810
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:18,710
and things like that
because it was just
811
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:21,710
like completely ludicrous.
812
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:23,710
You know, at the time
that I had my baby
813
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:25,790
and put my album out I was 20,
814
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:28,150
which was extremely young.
815
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:31,630
And now I'm 23 which
is still extremely young
816
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:36,230
and I'm still developing
my "personality",
in inverted commas.
817
00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:39,270
And I'm still discovering
things about myself
818
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:41,430
and about the world, you know?
819
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:44,670
So naturally,
I'm not going to be the same
820
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:46,150
as I was when I was 20.
821
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:51,830
[John] When the album "I Do Not
Want What I Haven't Got",
822
00:47:51,830 --> 00:47:56,310
was finished, we took it
into Nigel Grange in Ensign
823
00:47:56,350 --> 00:47:59,310
and he said, "This is like
reading somebody's diaries.
824
00:47:59,350 --> 00:48:01,310
I'm not putting it out."
825
00:48:01,310 --> 00:48:03,230
Sinéad just said,
"Well, that's it,"
826
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:05,990
you know, end of story.
827
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:07,670
Didn't compromise it
in any way.
828
00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:12,710
Well, I am far more
proud of this album
829
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:14,270
than I was of the last one.
830
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:16,390
I feel that it's much
more truly reflective
831
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:18,110
of me than the last one was.
832
00:48:18,110 --> 00:48:19,470
And I've had much
more involvement in it
833
00:48:19,470 --> 00:48:20,550
than I had in the last one.
834
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:25,230
[Maybury] The way she grew
in confidence
835
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:26,830
was something else.
836
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:32,110
She's a powerful, sexual being.
837
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:36,990
I think she was enjoying
playing with the gender roles,
838
00:48:36,990 --> 00:48:38,910
the kind of toughness
of the leather jacket
839
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:42,030
and the toughness of denim
or the Dr. Martin boots
840
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:46,310
or whatever it was that she
was bringing at the time.
841
00:48:46,350 --> 00:48:48,830
There's always
still this beautiful woman,
842
00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:50,430
beautiful girl inside of that.
843
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:53,510
So she was playing
with gender herself.
844
00:48:57,830 --> 00:49:03,030
She came to understand
the nature of what
we were doing
845
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:05,470
with pop videos and also,
obviously, at a certain point
846
00:49:05,470 --> 00:49:09,990
with a certain video, we came
to understand just how much
847
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:13,790
the videos could change
the perception of the music
848
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:15,150
and her as a musician.
849
00:49:30,270 --> 00:49:32,270
[John] "The Nothing
Compares To You" video,
850
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:35,870
she came back with all
the rushes on a VHS
851
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:38,030
and we've stuck it into
the video machine,
I was watching it.
852
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:41,110
And that's when I thought,
"Wow, this is really,
853
00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:42,710
really special."
854
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:50,030
[Jerry] The video was shot
both in studio and it was shot
855
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:53,750
in the Parc Saint-Cloud,
which is this beautiful
856
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:56,950
18th-century park
just outside of Paris.
857
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:05,910
The extraordinary close-up
work that John did
858
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:09,310
with the lighting camerawoman,
Dominique Le Rigoleur,
859
00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:13,150
who we chose particularly
because we wanted a female
860
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:17,710
to create a relationship
between Sinéad and the camera.
861
00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:24,230
[gentle music]
862
00:50:24,270 --> 00:50:26,350
[Maybury]
In between takes,
863
00:50:26,350 --> 00:50:30,030
Sinéad would click on some
really heavy duty dub reggae
864
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:32,750
and light up a spliff,
and be bopping
around the studio.
865
00:50:36,070 --> 00:50:38,750
We weren't in a kind of
particularly sombre mood.
866
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:44,510
Looking into my monitor,
looking down that lens,
867
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:48,390
I saw right there,
this connection coming
down the camera...
868
00:50:49,590 --> 00:50:51,670
It was like, "Oh, okay,
869
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:54,550
this is really something else.
870
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:57,590
It's not my direction,
it's not the cinematography,
871
00:50:57,590 --> 00:50:59,150
it's entirely her."
872
00:51:02,350 --> 00:51:04,310
[Sinéad] If you don't
873
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:06,710
identify emotionally
with a song, you can't sing it.
874
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:29,350
I didn't know I was
gonna cry singing it.
875
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:30,990
I didn't cry in the studio,
876
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:32,590
it was just because
of the big eye on me
877
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:34,270
in the form of a camera.
878
00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:41,630
Every time I sing the song,
I think of my mother.
879
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:46,910
I never stopped crying
for my mother for, Jesus,
880
00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:50,150
I couldn't face being
in Ireland for 13 years.
881
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:53,510
I never even called home,
I just cut myself off entirely
882
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:57,750
but it took me, I would say,
25 years to stop crying.
883
00:51:57,790 --> 00:52:01,070
So yeah, I was thinking of her
and I suppose my subconscious
884
00:52:01,070 --> 00:52:03,750
was thinking
of that little girl
that sat in the garden.
885
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:11,510
I think it's funny that
the world fell in love with me
886
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:13,790
because of crying and a tear.
887
00:52:13,830 --> 00:52:15,470
I went and did a lot of crying
888
00:52:15,470 --> 00:52:16,670
and everybody was like,
"Oh, you crazy bitch,"
889
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:18,710
but actually, hold on.
890
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:20,670
You fell in love with
that tear, that was a mirror.
891
00:52:26,110 --> 00:52:29,030
[audience clapping]
892
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:32,550
Sit yourself down, well done.
893
00:52:32,550 --> 00:52:35,030
-The hair is growing!
-Just a little bit.
894
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:36,910
Just a little bit, a wee bit.
895
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:38,430
How are you then?
896
00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:40,110
I'm grand, I'm a bit tired,
but I'm fine.
897
00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:41,750
A little bit tired, yeah.
So we're told.
898
00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:43,430
Good to see you. Will you
be number one on Monday?
899
00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:44,710
I don't know, you know.
900
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:47,150
[audience cheers]
901
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:48,830
You're all very kind.
902
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:49,910
I don't want to
count my chickens.
903
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:52,150
You know what I mean?
904
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:54,670
Half of me sorta says,
oh, well, you know,
905
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:56,190
it doesn't really
make a difference,
906
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:57,870
but then the other
half is sort of going,
907
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:59,790
-oh, please, God, please.
-[audience laughing]
908
00:52:59,790 --> 00:53:01,510
It would be nice, wouldn't it?
909
00:53:01,550 --> 00:53:02,950
We shouldn't even be
thinking about this.
910
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:03,990
Shouldn't even be
thinking about it, okay.
911
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:05,750
When will you know?
912
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:07,830
Ten to three
on Sunday afternoon.
913
00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:11,030
[audience laughing]
914
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:13,310
But I've got to try
not to think about it.
915
00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:15,030
[John]
The song went number one,
916
00:53:15,070 --> 00:53:18,070
everywhere in the world
pretty much.
917
00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:20,070
Then everything
changed overnight.
918
00:53:20,110 --> 00:53:23,910
And the winner is...
Sinéad O'Connor.
919
00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:26,110
-Sinéad O'Connor.
-Sinéad O'Connor.
920
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:29,430
[audience cheering]
921
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:30,510
I don't really know what to say,
922
00:53:30,510 --> 00:53:31,790
except thank you very much.
923
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:34,710
You know, peace.
924
00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:37,310
[upbeat music]
925
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:41,310
[man] It's Sinéad O'Connor.
926
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:45,150
Sinéad,
"Nothing Compares To You."
927
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:49,670
[Claire] The level of when
"Nothing Compares To You"
928
00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:51,430
became a hit was extraordinary.
929
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:53,030
It really was off the scale.
930
00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:56,190
She was the biggest thing.
931
00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:57,630
I mean you think of artists
like Billie Eilish now
932
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:59,910
or Amy Winehouse,
933
00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:02,430
you know that level of
intensity that's on you.
934
00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:06,950
And also if you're incredibly
iconic in your look
935
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:08,950
and your style
and your passion,
936
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:10,710
then there's a lot
of focus on you.
937
00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:18,510
I didn't realize how huge
the single and the album were.
938
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:20,150
I really didn't.
939
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:21,590
And I looked in some
magazine the other day
940
00:54:21,630 --> 00:54:24,030
and it said that
the record had been
941
00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:27,310
something like the fourth
biggest record in America,
942
00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:28,830
I nearly dropped dead.
943
00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:30,630
I didn't have
the slightest idea.
944
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:32,870
[Marco] The single
went to number one in America.
945
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:35,670
She was suddenly a major act.
946
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:38,310
[audience cheering]
947
00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:40,870
[rock music]
948
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:44,790
Hello!
949
00:54:47,590 --> 00:54:49,990
The tour got bigger and bigger
instead of theatres,
950
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:53,590
we got into arenas
and stadiums.
951
00:54:53,590 --> 00:54:55,430
[singing and rock music]
952
00:54:55,470 --> 00:54:58,510
It seems like years
Since you held the baby
953
00:54:58,510 --> 00:55:01,830
While I wrecked the bedroom
954
00:55:01,870 --> 00:55:05,990
You said it was
Dangerous after Sunday
955
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:09,110
And I knew you loved me...
956
00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:11,390
[Marco] She seemed
to take it all in her stride.
957
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:13,790
There were some days
when she was sort of like,
958
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:16,990
"Oh, this is a bit much,"
most of the time
she seemed to enjoy it.
959
00:55:16,990 --> 00:55:18,590
There was obviously
a feeling of like,
960
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:20,190
"Oh, well, this is
going to be great."
961
00:55:20,190 --> 00:55:21,790
It was going to be good anyway,
962
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:23,350
but this is going
to be really good.
963
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:25,990
[drums playing]
964
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:39,150
I am stretched
On your grave
965
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:44,430
And will lie there forever
966
00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:49,550
If your hands were in mine
967
00:55:49,550 --> 00:55:54,310
I'd be sure we'd not sever
968
00:55:57,230 --> 00:56:03,590
My apple tree
My brightness
969
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:09,030
It's time we were together
970
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:17,750
For I smell of the earth
971
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:23,670
And am worn
By the weather...
972
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:25,670
[Marco] About halfway
through the tour,
973
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:27,790
we did a place in New Jersey.
974
00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:29,870
It was an open air venue.
975
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:32,230
For some reason,
976
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:33,790
they always played the National
Anthem before the main act.
977
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:34,910
Sinéad got to hear
about it, and said
978
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:37,350
"There's no way.
979
00:56:37,350 --> 00:56:39,670
I'm not going on stage
if you play
the National Anthem."
980
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:42,870
So there was a bit of
an argument
between management
981
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:45,070
and management of the venue,
982
00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:46,950
but in the end,
the venue relented,
they said,
983
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:48,270
"Alright, alright.
If you don't
want it played,
984
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:50,710
we won't play it."
985
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:52,710
And I thought,
"Oh, this is going to be
everywhere tomorrow."
986
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:55,830
Going down to breakfast,
you hear the immortal words.
987
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:58,190
"Oh, God, have you
seen the papers?"
988
00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:03,630
[newsreader] First,
the explosion,
then the fallout.
989
00:57:03,630 --> 00:57:06,070
Hi, 95.5 PLJ, it's Fast Jimmy,
990
00:57:06,070 --> 00:57:09,070
and you will hear
no Sinéad O'Connor
on this radio station.
991
00:57:09,070 --> 00:57:11,110
[newsreader] Sinéad
O'Connor is being shaved
992
00:57:11,110 --> 00:57:13,630
from the airwaves because
of a recent refusal
993
00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:16,830
to perform in concert
if the National Anthem
was played.
994
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:18,910
With American soldiers
on foreign soil
995
00:57:18,910 --> 00:57:20,550
poised for conflict,
996
00:57:20,590 --> 00:57:22,910
patriotism is running
at fever pitch.
997
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:25,110
We decided Monday morning,
that since we played
998
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:26,910
the National Anthem
on our station
999
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:29,190
to support the troops
over in the Middle East,
1000
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:30,790
that she probably
wouldn't welcome
1001
00:57:30,790 --> 00:57:32,110
being played on
our station either.
1002
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:33,790
The wrong time, the wrong place
1003
00:57:33,790 --> 00:57:35,710
and the wrong way
to throw a tantrum.
1004
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:36,830
Someone should just
have said to her,
1005
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:38,070
within her own management,
1006
00:57:38,110 --> 00:57:40,230
"Sinéad, shut up."
1007
00:57:40,270 --> 00:57:42,230
[caller 1]
You don't like America,
then get the hell out.
1008
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:44,550
My opinion is she
should go back to Ireland
1009
00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:46,510
or wherever the
hell she is from.
1010
00:57:46,510 --> 00:57:50,110
Don't tell my country,
you can't play
the National Anthem.
1011
00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:54,310
I didn't put the marine green on
to listen to some
bald-headed Irish girl
1012
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:56,670
tell me I can't hear
my National Anthem.
1013
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:59,390
She wants the money,
the fame and the glorification.
1014
00:57:59,390 --> 00:58:01,870
But she's going to have to
be sensitive to some issues.
1015
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:04,350
[Irish newsreader] One extreme
patriot is Frank Sinatra,
1016
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:06,710
who said he would
like to kick her ass.
1017
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:09,150
"At his age, he couldn't
lift his leg high enough
1018
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:11,470
to kick her ass",
says Sinéad 's father,
John O'Connor.
1019
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:16,670
[Claire] As soon
as someone highlighted
1020
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:18,390
that it had to be played,
she would say,
1021
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:20,030
"Well, you can't censor me.
This is my show
1022
00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:22,670
and why are you
telling me what to do?"
1023
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:25,190
America is the land
of free speech,
and they're telling her
1024
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:28,310
she's not allowed
to have her free speech.
1025
00:58:28,310 --> 00:58:33,110
Issue number 3, the bald chick.
What's with her head?
1026
00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:36,030
Let's start with the chick.
What gives, Cue ball?
1027
00:58:36,070 --> 00:58:39,230
I'm looking at you. I'm thinking
14 in the side pocket.
1028
00:58:39,230 --> 00:58:42,830
[audience laughter]
1029
00:58:42,830 --> 00:58:44,550
I can't believe you're talking
1030
00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:46,590
about my hair with all
the bloody starvation
1031
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:48,830
and the suffering in
the world right now.
1032
00:58:48,830 --> 00:58:51,390
-[imitates violin sound]
-[laughter]
1033
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:55,670
Come on, swing baby,
you're platinum.
Forget the head.
1034
00:58:55,710 --> 00:58:58,870
Put a bag over it
and do your business.
1035
00:58:58,870 --> 00:59:00,790
[Sinéad] I think that,
certainly, the industry
1036
00:59:00,790 --> 00:59:03,910
can be extremely patronizing
towards women.
1037
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:06,110
You're supposed to have
long hair wear push-up bras
1038
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:09,230
and lip gloss, you know,
and shut up and sing.
1039
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:11,830
Maybe if I was a man,
there wouldn't be
such a fuss about it
1040
00:59:11,830 --> 00:59:13,550
you know what I mean?
1041
00:59:13,590 --> 00:59:15,270
It's just not expected
of women, I don't know.
1042
00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:18,990
But then nothing about me,
particularly, in people's minds,
1043
00:59:18,990 --> 00:59:22,230
conforms to what a woman
should conform to.
1044
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:23,870
But I don't know if it's
so much a conscious problem
1045
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:26,310
that they have
because I'm a woman.
1046
00:59:26,310 --> 00:59:30,910
I think it's because I'm not
a conformist on any level.
1047
00:59:30,910 --> 00:59:33,070
You know what I mean?
1048
00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:34,190
[Gay] Tell me about this row
about the National Anthem,
1049
00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:36,310
were you right to get into that?
1050
00:59:36,350 --> 00:59:38,550
I don't think it was a situation
being wrong or right.
1051
00:59:38,550 --> 00:59:40,590
It was a situation of,
I acted at the time
1052
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:44,430
in the way that I felt
would be most true to myself.
1053
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:46,350
I didn't mean to offend anybody.
1054
00:59:46,350 --> 00:59:50,030
I did it because
I have a huge problem
1055
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:51,510
with the censorship movement
1056
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:52,750
that's happening
in America at the moment.
1057
00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:54,750
It has terrible implications.
1058
00:59:54,750 --> 00:59:56,630
The idea that artists, you know,
1059
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:58,790
painters, photographers,
musicians, poets,
1060
00:59:58,830 --> 01:00:00,350
and people like that
1061
01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:02,030
are being told what
they may and may not say
1062
01:00:02,070 --> 01:00:03,750
and what they may
or may not write about.
1063
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:05,710
-[Gay] Where
is that happening?
-In America,
1064
01:00:05,710 --> 01:00:08,830
in particular among
the Black community
it's happening.
1065
01:00:08,830 --> 01:00:10,750
So, I have two problems with it.
1066
01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:12,830
First of all, that I don't
think censorship should happen
1067
01:00:12,830 --> 01:00:14,510
at all to anybody.
1068
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:15,710
But secondly, I think
that a lot of the time
1069
01:00:15,710 --> 01:00:16,910
there's a lot of White artists
1070
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:18,750
who are very offensive as well,
1071
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:20,150
and they don't get censored.
1072
01:00:20,190 --> 01:00:22,270
So it leaves me
thinking that it's
1073
01:00:22,270 --> 01:00:25,030
a slightly racist
problem as well.
1074
01:00:25,070 --> 01:00:27,030
So, you know,
if it happened now,
1075
01:00:27,070 --> 01:00:29,470
I might've reacted
in a different way,
1076
01:00:29,470 --> 01:00:31,750
I didn't realize that people
would take such offence to it.
1077
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:34,510
Because
I didn't mean offence.
You know what I mean?
1078
01:00:34,510 --> 01:00:35,870
[Gay] The problem is that
a lot of people would say,
1079
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:37,910
well, you didn't
not take the money.
1080
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:39,350
You know, if they
asked me for the money,
1081
01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:40,870
I would gladly
have given it to them.
1082
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:42,190
You would, you would.
All the money?
1083
01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:44,470
-Absolutely.
-All the money, Sinéad?
1084
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:47,110
Can't go through life
giving back the money.
1085
01:00:47,150 --> 01:00:48,710
I don't perform or make
records or do anything
1086
01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:50,150
in order to make money.
1087
01:00:50,190 --> 01:00:51,390
It's not the thing that I hold
1088
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:53,470
most important in my life.
1089
01:00:53,470 --> 01:00:55,590
Well, I heard that she
doesn't like Ireland
1090
01:00:55,590 --> 01:00:58,390
and she doesn't like the USA.
1091
01:00:58,390 --> 01:01:00,990
So they're going to be
handing out American flags.
1092
01:01:01,030 --> 01:01:04,070
So we're going to wave it at her
and see what she does.
1093
01:01:04,070 --> 01:01:06,750
Controversy surrounds
her wherever she is.
1094
01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:07,870
[interviewer]
Why do you think that is?
1095
01:01:07,870 --> 01:01:09,710
Just because of who she is.
1096
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:12,230
I don't think she gets a fair...
because of the way she looks,
1097
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:13,710
I don't think people
treat her fairly.
1098
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:17,670
[Sinéad]
It's a very patriotic country.
1099
01:01:17,710 --> 01:01:19,710
And a lot of people
have been told
1100
01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:23,030
that I have some sort of
anti-American feeling,
1101
01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:25,430
which is very irresponsible
on behalf of the media,
1102
01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:29,270
because that does
put a person in a situation
1103
01:01:29,310 --> 01:01:30,990
where literally
their life could be at risk.
1104
01:01:30,990 --> 01:01:32,510
You know what I mean?
1105
01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:35,110
[atmospheric music]
1106
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:36,790
[John] When the press
started to attack her
1107
01:01:36,790 --> 01:01:39,270
that was really difficult.
1108
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:43,310
They arrived at the door
in London and Jake was with me
1109
01:01:43,310 --> 01:01:45,510
and he was only very young
1110
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:47,710
and they started
to fire questions,
1111
01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:49,910
you know, while
Jake was next to me.
1112
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:52,750
And I just, I just was...
I was absolutely furious.
1113
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:57,870
[singing]
1114
01:01:57,910 --> 01:02:03,310
Margaret Thatcher on TV
1115
01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:08,470
Shocked by the deaths
That took place in Beijing...
1116
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:11,070
[John]
She's always
championed justice.
1117
01:02:11,070 --> 01:02:13,070
You know,
if something wasn't right,
1118
01:02:13,070 --> 01:02:15,750
she would step in and try
and do something about it.
1119
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:18,630
[singing]
1120
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:20,630
[Gay] Listen,
this song that I heard,
1121
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:22,310
"Black Boys on Mopeds"
1122
01:02:22,310 --> 01:02:24,510
about the treatment
of Black people in England.
1123
01:02:24,510 --> 01:02:27,550
Very political, Sinéad.
1124
01:02:27,550 --> 01:02:29,270
Well you can't really
talk about racism
1125
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:30,790
without being political.
1126
01:02:30,790 --> 01:02:33,910
[Gay] Yes. True, true.
1127
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:35,550
England's not
The mythical land
1128
01:02:35,550 --> 01:02:38,830
Of Madame George and roses
1129
01:02:38,830 --> 01:02:42,070
It's the home of police
1130
01:02:42,070 --> 01:02:45,870
Who kill Black boys
On mopeds
1131
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:48,910
And I love my boy
1132
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:52,870
And that's why I'm leaving
1133
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:56,510
I don't want him
To be aware that there's
1134
01:02:56,510 --> 01:03:00,510
Any such thing as grieving
1135
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:08,270
Young mother
Down at Smithfield
1136
01:03:08,310 --> 01:03:12,670
5:00 a.m., looking for food
For her kids...
1137
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:14,670
[John] We were
living in Stoke Newington
1138
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:17,510
when she wrote that song,
you know, it was around us,
1139
01:03:17,550 --> 01:03:21,270
you know, that kind of police
versus the Black community.
1140
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:22,910
It was ugly at that point,
1141
01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:24,910
particularly in
that part of London.
1142
01:03:24,910 --> 01:03:26,870
The police
are picking on children!
1143
01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:28,310
[Sinéad]
I write songs about things
1144
01:03:28,350 --> 01:03:30,270
that I feel strongly about.
1145
01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:32,150
It's not consciously
to write a political song
1146
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:33,670
or consciously to make
a statement about anything.
1147
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:36,150
And I think that that's
what every person's duty
1148
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:39,710
to themselves is, is to act
on their feelings and to say,
1149
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:42,190
when they think
something's wrong.
1150
01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:44,030
It doesn't matter whether
they're, you know, a singer,
or whatever they are.
1151
01:03:44,030 --> 01:03:46,070
[Gay] Yes, and take
the consequences.
1152
01:03:46,110 --> 01:03:47,350
I imagine so.
1153
01:03:47,350 --> 01:03:49,830
[violin music]
1154
01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:54,310
I'm an Irish artist,
1155
01:03:54,350 --> 01:03:55,870
and there's a tradition
among Irish artists
1156
01:03:55,870 --> 01:03:57,830
of being agitators
and activists.
1157
01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:59,870
You know, whether
they're playwrights or poets.
1158
01:04:02,070 --> 01:04:04,870
An artists job
is sometimes to create
1159
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:07,710
the difficult conversations
that need to be had.
1160
01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:09,430
And it's none of my business,
1161
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:11,550
what anyone thinks of me
when I do that.
1162
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:14,310
[chanting]
1163
01:04:16,310 --> 01:04:18,430
[newsreader] The right
to choose an abortion,
1164
01:04:18,430 --> 01:04:21,350
the right to information
on where to obtain one.
1165
01:04:21,350 --> 01:04:24,110
In Dublin's O'Connell street,
singer Sinéad O'Connor
1166
01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:28,030
speaks out against her
country's stringent
abortion laws.
1167
01:04:28,070 --> 01:04:31,270
Abortion will be legalized
in this country very soon.
1168
01:04:31,310 --> 01:04:33,070
Let's have another referendum
1169
01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:36,110
when only women
of childbearing age vote
1170
01:04:36,110 --> 01:04:38,870
for the right to choose
their own destiny.
1171
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:41,310
What I believe is that
you cannot take away
1172
01:04:41,310 --> 01:04:43,070
a person's right to choose.
1173
01:04:43,070 --> 01:04:45,750
It is not a pro-abortion
or an anti-abortion issue.
1174
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:47,950
The issue is
the right to choose.
1175
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:50,590
The church deliberately
distract us from that,
1176
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:53,790
by making it into
an either anti or for,
1177
01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:55,630
you know what I mean?
But it's not that.
1178
01:04:55,630 --> 01:04:57,590
It's the right to choose
your own destiny.
1179
01:04:57,590 --> 01:04:59,270
And it's none of
anybody else's business,
1180
01:04:59,270 --> 01:05:02,310
not your mother or your father
or anybody else.
1181
01:05:02,310 --> 01:05:03,430
Or your priest.
1182
01:05:06,310 --> 01:05:08,550
[Elaine] I never felt
that Sinéad would cave
1183
01:05:08,590 --> 01:05:11,990
to any pressure. Ever.
1184
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:17,430
Then she just seemed to
become really controversial
about everything.
1185
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:19,310
[newsreader] Two weeks
before the Grammys,
1186
01:05:19,310 --> 01:05:21,670
O'Connor threw down
the gauntlet to her peers
1187
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:24,030
announcing she would not
attend the ceremonies
1188
01:05:24,030 --> 01:05:26,470
because the music industry
was driven by greed
1189
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:28,230
and artists
were not speaking out
1190
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:30,310
against the war in the Gulf.
1191
01:05:30,350 --> 01:05:32,870
It is the creative community
that are driven by greed.
1192
01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:34,670
That's why none of them
are saying anything
1193
01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:36,030
because
they're afraid their careers
1194
01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:37,630
are going to be in jeopardy.
1195
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:40,390
It's why nobody has said
anything about the war.
1196
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:42,710
[Elaine] When Sinéad refused
to perform at the Grammys,
1197
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:44,990
I was under a lot of pressure
to change her mind.
1198
01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:47,750
As if that were even possible.
1199
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:50,390
It wasn't like
threatening-threatening,
1200
01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:54,710
but I felt that my career
could certainly be in jeopardy,
1201
01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:56,310
and Sinéad's as well.
1202
01:05:56,350 --> 01:05:58,190
These were powerful people
in the industry.
1203
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:04,430
[Chuck D] I didn't think
that the powers that be
were ready for her.
1204
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:08,070
Where she's from,
1205
01:06:08,070 --> 01:06:12,590
artists had always
stepped forward
and said things,
1206
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:15,350
but maybe in different genres,
1207
01:06:15,390 --> 01:06:18,830
and not so much
as a pop superstar.
1208
01:06:18,830 --> 01:06:21,950
And Sinéad O'Connor,
well, she was becoming
a pop superstar.
1209
01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:30,910
Okay, so this is
my favourite place
in the universe,
1210
01:06:30,910 --> 01:06:32,830
which is St. Mark's place.
1211
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:34,950
All the Rastas live there,
1212
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:36,630
and all the Irish people
live here,
which is why I like it,
1213
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:37,910
because Rastas and Irish
people should live together,
1214
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:39,910
since they're both the same.
1215
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:41,470
And this is Siné.
1216
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:47,270
The object of my game
coming into the
music business was
1217
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:50,870
I really saw it as something
like a bit of a chess game.
1218
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:52,950
Could I get from one side
of the board to the other
1219
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:55,310
and still be myself
and still be
true to my reasons
1220
01:06:55,310 --> 01:06:57,230
for being
in the music business?
1221
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:59,350
And also, I suppose,
spiritually true to myself,
1222
01:06:59,390 --> 01:07:01,350
do you know what I mean?
1223
01:07:01,390 --> 01:07:02,790
The music business can be
a bit of a vampiric arena.
1224
01:07:02,790 --> 01:07:04,310
[Sinéad] That's Charlie.
1225
01:07:04,310 --> 01:07:06,110
The first one's Charlie,
and that's Charlton.
1226
01:07:06,110 --> 01:07:08,230
-Say hello to Jake.
-Hi, Jake.
1227
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:09,750
[Sinéad] Gary.
1228
01:07:09,790 --> 01:07:11,030
-Yes?
-Say hello to Jake.
1229
01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:12,350
-Him Jake.
-[Sinéad] That's Gary.
1230
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:13,390
Maybe we'll get
to see you, Jake.
1231
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:14,590
[Sinéad] He's really mad.
1232
01:07:14,590 --> 01:07:17,190
Hi, Jake, how're you doing?
1233
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:20,910
-[Sinéad] Say hello to Jake.
-Jake. How are you?
1234
01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:22,670
[Sinéad] You can go around
trying to please everyone
1235
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:24,990
as if you're in
a popularity contest,
1236
01:07:24,990 --> 01:07:27,270
and yeah, that might get
you lots and lots of money,
1237
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:29,590
but that's not necessarily
going to be keeping
the contract
1238
01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:30,790
that you made with yourself.
1239
01:07:30,830 --> 01:07:33,910
[instrumental music]
1240
01:07:38,030 --> 01:07:39,470
That was the last one,
wasn't it?
1241
01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:41,030
[man] That was
the very last one.
1242
01:07:41,030 --> 01:07:43,270
Okay, can we go on
from a bit before?
1243
01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:46,030
-[man] Yes.
-[Sinéad] I didn't want
to fall into that trap then
1244
01:07:46,070 --> 01:07:48,430
of you know,
the follow up album
to the number one, single.
1245
01:07:48,430 --> 01:07:50,470
And so I was kind of buying
myself some time really,
1246
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:52,270
creatively speaking.
1247
01:07:52,270 --> 01:07:53,910
Because you've had
that hit record,
1248
01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:55,750
all of a sudden
you could go in there
1249
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:57,270
and tell them you want
to make a record of farts,
1250
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:58,270
and they'll say,
"Yeah, sure. Okay."
1251
01:07:58,310 --> 01:07:59,910
[trumpets blasting]
1252
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:06,190
Let's listen back and make
sure we love this arrangement.
1253
01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:09,510
-Okay?
-[John] I think there's
a huge pressure from labels
1254
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:12,270
when an artist has
a worldwide number one.
1255
01:08:12,270 --> 01:08:15,270
And I think with the,
"Am I Not Your Girl" album,
1256
01:08:15,310 --> 01:08:18,830
this was a great antidote,
really to what happened.
1257
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:23,710
And it had the most amazing
team of arrangers, musicians,
1258
01:08:23,710 --> 01:08:26,910
and of course, legendary
Phil Ramone producing.
1259
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:29,910
It was just such
a joy that record.
1260
01:08:44,830 --> 01:08:48,310
We used to go out walking
1261
01:08:48,310 --> 01:08:51,750
Hand in hand
1262
01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:55,430
You told me all
The big things
1263
01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:58,510
You had planned...
1264
01:08:58,510 --> 01:09:00,110
[Sinéad] I did love the record,
and I loved making it.
1265
01:09:00,150 --> 01:09:02,270
It was just astonishing
being in a room
1266
01:09:02,270 --> 01:09:03,990
with that band every day.
It was just like, "Oh, my God."
1267
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:05,550
I was quite
intimidated actually.
1268
01:09:05,550 --> 01:09:07,470
I was quite scared
to open my mouth
1269
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:09,310
because the band were just
so ridiculously brilliant
1270
01:09:09,350 --> 01:09:12,670
and I couldn't see myself
as being anyway good.
1271
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:16,150
Am I not your girl?
1272
01:09:16,190 --> 01:09:19,670
Am I not your girl?
1273
01:09:19,670 --> 01:09:22,510
Am I not your girl?
1274
01:09:22,510 --> 01:09:24,830
Am I not
1275
01:09:30,670 --> 01:09:33,110
[Sinéad] There were things
going on in my own life.
1276
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:34,910
Things I was discovering
that my mother had done
1277
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:37,030
that I didn't know about.
1278
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:40,990
And then I had come across
an article about families
1279
01:09:40,990 --> 01:09:43,310
who had been trying
to lodge complaints
1280
01:09:43,310 --> 01:09:45,710
against the church
for sexual abuse
1281
01:09:45,710 --> 01:09:47,950
and were being silenced.
1282
01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:54,630
Basically fucking everything
I had been raised to believe
was a lie.
1283
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:57,470
You know, that everything about
the Catholic church was a lie.
1284
01:09:59,310 --> 01:10:04,670
Ave, ave, ave Maria
1285
01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:07,350
[Announcer] At the end
of the line of bishops,
walked the Pope.
1286
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:10,390
And as the crowd noticed him,
they broke into cheering
and clapping.
1287
01:10:11,550 --> 01:10:13,710
[crowd cheers]
1288
01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:16,550
[Sinéad] I took two things
out of my mother's house.
1289
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:18,070
One was her cookery book,
1290
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:20,150
and the next was
a picture of the Pope,
1291
01:10:20,190 --> 01:10:22,790
which had been
on her bedroom wall.
1292
01:10:22,830 --> 01:10:25,110
[Pope John Paul II]
Young people of Ireland,
1293
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:27,710
I love you.
1294
01:10:29,550 --> 01:10:31,950
[crowd cheers]
1295
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:34,350
[Sinéad] He didn't
fucking love me.
1296
01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:36,670
And I could fuckin' cry
right now saying it.
1297
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:39,790
You know, it was such a lie.
1298
01:10:39,790 --> 01:10:41,870
Now we know
what a lie that was.
1299
01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:43,950
He was so involved
in covering up
1300
01:10:43,950 --> 01:10:46,750
what happened to everybody.
1301
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:48,830
And I had a right
to fight that evil
1302
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:50,990
because I loved the church.
1303
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:52,710
I'm going to go on
Saturday Night Live
1304
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:54,350
and I've got fuck all to lose
1305
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:55,830
because no one could
do jack shit to me
1306
01:10:55,870 --> 01:10:57,430
that hasn't been done already.
1307
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:12,150
[Elaine] I had booked her
on Saturday Night Live.
1308
01:11:12,150 --> 01:11:14,110
Now this was for
her third record,
1309
01:11:14,150 --> 01:11:17,950
which was,
"Am I Not Your Girl."
1310
01:11:17,950 --> 01:11:20,910
It's a great booking,
the record was just coming out,
1311
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:23,790
and this would really help it.
1312
01:11:23,790 --> 01:11:25,910
Ladies and gentlemen,
Sinéad O'Connor.
1313
01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:28,590
[crowd applauds]
1314
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:39,150
Until the philosophy
1315
01:11:39,150 --> 01:11:42,510
Which holds one
Race superior
1316
01:11:42,510 --> 01:11:46,270
And another
1317
01:11:46,270 --> 01:11:49,150
Inferior
1318
01:11:49,150 --> 01:11:51,910
Is finally
1319
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:54,910
And permanently
1320
01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:56,950
Discredited...
1321
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:58,990
[Sinéad] The song
is also very important.
1322
01:11:58,990 --> 01:12:01,030
You know,
it's a Rastafari song.
1323
01:12:04,030 --> 01:12:05,990
It's a speech that
the Emperor Haile Selassie
1324
01:12:06,030 --> 01:12:08,710
had made at the United Nations,
and then Bob Marley
1325
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:10,950
turned it into a song.
1326
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:14,870
First class and second class
Citizens of any nation
1327
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:17,910
Until the colour
Of a man's skin
1328
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:20,830
Is of no more significance
1329
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:22,790
Than the colour of his eyes
1330
01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:24,750
I've got to say war...
1331
01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:26,270
...war
1332
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:29,710
War in the east
1333
01:12:29,710 --> 01:12:32,950
War in the west
1334
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:36,070
War up north
1335
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:39,230
War down south
1336
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:42,110
There's war
1337
01:12:42,150 --> 01:12:45,670
And rumours of war
1338
01:12:45,670 --> 01:12:48,150
Until that day
1339
01:12:48,150 --> 01:12:53,950
There is no continent
Which will know peace
1340
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:59,470
Children, children
1341
01:12:59,470 --> 01:13:01,470
Fight
1342
01:13:01,510 --> 01:13:04,870
We find it necessary
1343
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:08,150
We know we will win
1344
01:13:08,190 --> 01:13:11,070
We have confidence
1345
01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:13,750
In the victory
1346
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:16,670
Of good
1347
01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:21,830
Over evil
1348
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:26,710
Fight the real enemy.
1349
01:13:33,710 --> 01:13:36,750
[Elaine]
Nobody knows what to do.
1350
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:39,950
My blood has run cold.
1351
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:42,510
She blows a candle out,
she goes off stage,
1352
01:13:42,510 --> 01:13:45,110
she goes into her dressing room
and she's so happy.
1353
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:47,230
You know,
she had pulled this off.
1354
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:50,310
And I had gone into
the dressing room after her,
1355
01:13:50,350 --> 01:13:53,310
and I said, "You know,
I can't get you out of this."
1356
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:55,750
And she said, "You know what?
I don't want you to."
1357
01:13:58,550 --> 01:14:00,390
[host] What effect do you think
1358
01:14:00,390 --> 01:14:01,710
this is gonna have on
your career, Sinéad?
1359
01:14:02,910 --> 01:14:05,070
I don't know.
1360
01:14:05,070 --> 01:14:07,030
Do you care?
1361
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:10,670
Um, well, it depends on
what you mean by...
1362
01:14:10,670 --> 01:14:13,230
I don't know.
You'd have to say
what you meant.
1363
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:16,070
Do you think what you have done
1364
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:18,470
will make you more popular
with your fans?
1365
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:20,230
Less popular with your fans?
1366
01:14:20,230 --> 01:14:24,470
Or will it just be something
that Sinéad O'Connor did
1367
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:25,710
in a rash moment?
1368
01:14:27,150 --> 01:14:29,470
Well, I can't really say.
I don't know.
1369
01:14:29,470 --> 01:14:32,910
Are you prepared
to accept the consequences,
1370
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:36,030
which you said don't seem
to be negative, right?
1371
01:14:36,030 --> 01:14:37,510
Of what you're doing?
1372
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:38,950
What consequences?
1373
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:41,710
Well, look at the alternative.
1374
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:44,550
[narrator] Sinéad O'Connor
is no stranger to controversy.
1375
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:46,950
A master of the shock tactics.
1376
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:49,230
But this time some
are questioning
whether she went too far.
1377
01:14:49,230 --> 01:14:50,750
No response yet from the Pope,
1378
01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:52,750
but church spokesmen say
that he will no doubt
1379
01:14:52,750 --> 01:14:55,230
forgive Sinéad O'Connor
for her bout of Vatican bashing
1380
01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:57,270
on NBC's Saturday Night Live.
1381
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:58,990
The controversy for singer
Sinéad O'Connor
1382
01:14:58,990 --> 01:15:01,070
as she strikes a sour
note with Catholics.
1383
01:15:01,070 --> 01:15:03,070
[reporter] NBC has been
at pains to stress
1384
01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:05,470
it doesn't condone
what she did.
1385
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:07,470
[reporter 2] The network says
O'Connor's tirade
caught them off guard.
1386
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:09,710
NBC logged a thousand
complaint calls...
1387
01:15:09,710 --> 01:15:12,630
[man] Her actions Saturday
night were spontaneous,
1388
01:15:12,670 --> 01:15:14,990
certainly unauthorized by NBC,
1389
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:17,910
and NBC was offended
by what she did.
1390
01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:20,670
[reporter] The Catholic league
for religious and civil rights
1391
01:15:20,670 --> 01:15:23,950
is pressuring record stores
to stop selling recordings
1392
01:15:23,950 --> 01:15:26,230
by O'Connor
and her record company.
1393
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:29,150
During the lunch hour,
they passed out leaflets,
1394
01:15:29,150 --> 01:15:31,630
urging customers
to join their boycott.
1395
01:15:31,630 --> 01:15:33,950
Some didn't need
any encouragement.
1396
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:35,950
I thought it was repulsive.
1397
01:15:35,950 --> 01:15:39,070
[man] Anyone that sends
us in their tapes,
1398
01:15:39,070 --> 01:15:40,830
we're going to chop
up these tapes.
1399
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:42,910
Actually, we were just
going to send them to her.
1400
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:45,230
Someone said,
don't send the tapes new.
1401
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:48,030
Break them up,
'cause she'll sell them again.
1402
01:15:48,030 --> 01:15:49,510
So we're going to break them up
1403
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:51,110
and put them in a trunk,
1404
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:52,750
and have someone
deliver them to her
1405
01:15:52,750 --> 01:15:54,190
in Ireland
or wherever she may be.
1406
01:15:56,230 --> 01:15:57,630
[audience applauds]
1407
01:15:57,630 --> 01:16:00,030
I would've grabbed her
by her eyebrows.
1408
01:16:00,030 --> 01:16:01,750
[audience laughs]
1409
01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:04,270
Sinéad O'Connor... [gags],
you know and so on.
1410
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:06,110
Or you just don't like that she
tore up a picture of the Pope.
1411
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:08,310
Oh, no, Sinéad O'Connor
is completely a robot brain.
1412
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:10,390
She has messages...
She's like Victorian,
1413
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:13,390
she has messages where she
slaps onto art like labels.
1414
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:14,990
But I'll tell you one thing,
she was very lucky
1415
01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:17,190
it wasn't my show.
1416
01:16:17,190 --> 01:16:20,430
'Cause if it was my show,
I would've gave
her such a smack.
1417
01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:24,670
[audience cheers]
1418
01:16:24,710 --> 01:16:26,470
Sinéad O'Conner, who's big theme
is child abuse...
1419
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:28,310
-All right?
-It all comes from child abuse.
1420
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:30,310
In the case of Sinéad O'Conner,
child abuse was justified.
1421
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:37,630
[John]
I got a little bit worried,
1422
01:16:37,630 --> 01:16:40,630
you know when things
were going really badly
in the press for her.
1423
01:16:40,670 --> 01:16:43,950
It was a terrible time for us.
1424
01:16:43,950 --> 01:16:45,750
And just created this hatred.
1425
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:48,070
It was unbelievable.
1426
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:51,430
[Claire] I had fan letters
with death threats to myself,
1427
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:53,150
death threats to Sinéad,
1428
01:16:53,150 --> 01:16:55,710
and one day I took in
a sack load of letters
1429
01:16:55,710 --> 01:16:57,790
that were directly
threatening either to her
1430
01:16:57,830 --> 01:17:00,790
or to me, or any of our team.
1431
01:17:00,790 --> 01:17:03,990
[Kathleen] I was watching it
with some friends
as it happened.
1432
01:17:04,030 --> 01:17:07,510
And we were all applauding
and cheering and were like,
1433
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:09,590
"Feminist performance art,
on TV.
1434
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:12,630
When does that ever happen?"
1435
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:15,830
[Roísín] I can't sit here
and tell you that
I was all like,
1436
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:17,590
"Oh, no, Sinéad O'Connor
is an icon.
She's ahead of her time."
1437
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:20,070
I don't think I was
saying that then.
1438
01:17:20,110 --> 01:17:22,990
I think I probably
was joining in, "Oh, God,
what's she doing now?"
1439
01:17:22,990 --> 01:17:25,070
There was this idea that
she was a bit of a joke.
1440
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:28,430
Fight the real enemy.
1441
01:17:28,430 --> 01:17:30,990
[Phil Hartman] When she does
a concert in New York city,
1442
01:17:30,990 --> 01:17:33,190
if she has the guts
to ever do a concert
1443
01:17:33,190 --> 01:17:34,870
in New York City again,
1444
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:36,390
after one of her songs,
1445
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:38,510
I'm going to jump up on stage
1446
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:40,830
and tear up a photo
of Uncle Fester.
1447
01:17:40,830 --> 01:17:42,830
[audience laughs]
1448
01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:52,550
[reporter] Do you enjoy
shocking people?
1449
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:54,710
[Sinéad] No, but I enjoy
a good debate.
1450
01:17:54,710 --> 01:17:56,910
[reporter] Did you realize
the consequences at the time?
1451
01:17:56,910 --> 01:18:02,270
I don't think it's a good idea
to talk about it here, tonight.
1452
01:18:02,270 --> 01:18:04,670
[reporter] So you don't want
to talk about it at all.
1453
01:18:04,710 --> 01:18:06,350
Some other time,
I'll talk to you about it.
1454
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:07,990
[reporter] But obviously
you don't have any regrets.
1455
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:09,310
No, absolutely not.
1456
01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:14,390
[Kris Kristofferson]
I'm real proud...
1457
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:16,910
to introduce
this next artist
1458
01:18:16,910 --> 01:18:21,070
whose name's become
synonymous with courage,
1459
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:23,470
and integrity.
1460
01:18:23,470 --> 01:18:26,070
Ladies and gentleman,
Sinéad O'Connor.
1461
01:18:26,110 --> 01:18:28,670
[crowd cheers]
1462
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:48,190
Thank you.
1463
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:55,110
[Sinéad] I'm on stage
and the audience
start making this
1464
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:56,670
mad noise where half
of them are booing
1465
01:18:56,710 --> 01:18:58,230
and half of them are cheering.
1466
01:18:58,270 --> 01:19:00,310
And it's the fucking
weirdest noise
1467
01:19:00,350 --> 01:19:01,990
I've ever heard in my life.
And it makes me want to puke.
1468
01:19:01,990 --> 01:19:04,670
[crowd booing]
1469
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:09,390
[crowd cheering]
1470
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:20,470
[Sinéad] My song that I was
supposed to sing
1471
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:23,270
at Madison Square Garden
was "I Believe in You."
1472
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:26,230
This song was to be
sung in a whisper,
1473
01:19:26,230 --> 01:19:27,670
and I knew that I couldn't
1474
01:19:27,670 --> 01:19:29,670
because I wouldn't be heard,
1475
01:19:29,670 --> 01:19:31,350
I would have been drowned out
and I couldn't have that.
1476
01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:36,630
"Are you going to stand by me"
1477
01:19:36,630 --> 01:19:38,790
was almost what I felt
God was saying to me.
1478
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:40,790
"Are you going to
fucking stand by me,
1479
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:42,270
or are you going
to pussy out here
1480
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:43,430
and walk off stage."
1481
01:19:43,470 --> 01:19:46,150
[crowd cheering]
1482
01:19:48,990 --> 01:19:51,590
Okay, turn this up.
1483
01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:54,710
Until the philosophy
1484
01:19:54,710 --> 01:19:57,390
Which holds one
Race superior
1485
01:19:57,430 --> 01:20:01,630
And another inferior
1486
01:20:01,670 --> 01:20:03,670
Is finally
1487
01:20:03,670 --> 01:20:08,150
And permanently discredited
1488
01:20:08,150 --> 01:20:10,190
And abandoned
1489
01:20:10,230 --> 01:20:14,070
Everywhere is war
1490
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:17,230
Until there's no longer
1491
01:20:17,230 --> 01:20:20,950
First class or
Second class citizens
1492
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:23,150
Of any nation
1493
01:20:23,150 --> 01:20:26,270
Until the colour
Of a man's skin
1494
01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:29,710
Is of no more significance
1495
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:31,710
Than the colour of his eyes
1496
01:20:31,710 --> 01:20:34,230
I've got to say war
1497
01:20:34,270 --> 01:20:38,030
Until, the basic
Human rights
1498
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:40,870
Are equally
Guaranteed to all
1499
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:43,310
Without regard to race
1500
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:45,550
I say war
1501
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:47,350
And until
1502
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:50,470
The ignoble
And unhappy regime
1503
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:52,830
Which holds all
Of us through
1504
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:55,870
Child abuse, yeah
1505
01:20:55,870 --> 01:20:58,430
Child abuse, yeah
1506
01:20:58,430 --> 01:21:01,710
Subhuman bondage
1507
01:21:01,710 --> 01:21:03,790
Has been toppled
1508
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:06,270
Utterly destroyed
1509
01:21:06,270 --> 01:21:09,710
Everywhere is war
1510
01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:20,790
[Kathleen] Everything kind of
coalesced into that moment.
1511
01:21:20,830 --> 01:21:22,430
Someone who grew up
in a household
1512
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:24,630
of abuse and rejection,
1513
01:21:24,630 --> 01:21:26,630
then being rejected,
1514
01:21:26,670 --> 01:21:29,510
by what probably felt like
the whole entire world,
1515
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:33,870
re-traumatizing her
in front of the world,
1516
01:21:33,870 --> 01:21:36,550
it made me feel demoralized,
as a woman.
1517
01:21:38,190 --> 01:21:39,870
[John] People that would boo
Sinéad O'Connor,
1518
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:43,590
what were they doing
at a Bob Dylan concert?
1519
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:45,910
She's taken quite a beating,
in the world,
1520
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:48,110
because, the world
does not take kindly,
1521
01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:51,350
to having its
program interrupted.
1522
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:53,950
The smooth flow
of entertainment
must not be interrupted.
1523
01:21:59,150 --> 01:22:00,550
[Sinéad] "My name
is Sinéad O'Connor,
1524
01:22:00,550 --> 01:22:02,110
and I'm learning
to love myself.
1525
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:04,830
I am deserving,
1526
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:07,110
I deserve to be
treated with respect,
1527
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:09,310
I deserve not to be
treated like dirt,
1528
01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:10,630
I deserve to be listened to.
1529
01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:12,430
My name is Sinéad O'Connor,
1530
01:22:12,430 --> 01:22:15,430
I am a woman,
I have something to offer,
1531
01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:17,110
I am and have always been
carrying a lot of grief,
1532
01:22:17,150 --> 01:22:19,430
from my lost childhood,
1533
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:21,270
and for the effects
of its horror
and violence on my life.
1534
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:23,230
I find it hard to be myself,
1535
01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:25,110
to show my feelings.
1536
01:22:25,150 --> 01:22:27,150
To get to the joy,
1537
01:22:27,150 --> 01:22:28,870
I need to release the pain,
which is blocking me.
1538
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:32,230
If I do not do this,
I will not survive.
1539
01:22:32,230 --> 01:22:34,670
I was angry before,
because I was frightened,
1540
01:22:34,710 --> 01:22:37,190
but I know that if you
could really listen,
1541
01:22:37,190 --> 01:22:39,190
you'd see that we do not
know what we are doing,
1542
01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:41,870
when we mock the expression
of human feeling.
1543
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:44,710
When we scoff at the sound
of our children's keening,
1544
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:46,990
there's a mirror into
which we are not looking.
1545
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:52,710
There's no way
I'm going to shut my mouth,
1546
01:22:52,710 --> 01:22:54,310
I am a battered child,
1547
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:56,550
and the whole bloody world
is gonna know about it,
1548
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:58,390
the same as they are gonna know
about every other
battered child.
1549
01:22:58,390 --> 01:23:00,390
They are not going to
be able to shut us up,
1550
01:23:00,430 --> 01:23:02,470
just because they don't
want to hear about it.
1551
01:23:05,470 --> 01:23:08,110
[Peaches] We all have,
mental health issues,
1552
01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:10,070
you know, on one level,
1553
01:23:10,110 --> 01:23:12,030
and it's very important
for us to recognize that,
1554
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:14,270
and I think that's something
that Sinéad O'Connor
1555
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:15,950
did way before anybody else.
1556
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:20,070
[Sinéad] I was always being
crazied by the media,
1557
01:23:20,110 --> 01:23:22,270
made out to be crazy.
1558
01:23:22,270 --> 01:23:25,070
I don't blame anybody,
for thinking I was crazy,
1559
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:26,910
or for hating me for it,
or whatever,
1560
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:28,710
'cause they didn't know,
I mean, it was a crazy idea,
1561
01:23:28,710 --> 01:23:30,230
I mean, this bitch
is saying that,
1562
01:23:30,230 --> 01:23:31,350
priests are raping children,
1563
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:32,950
I mean, Jesus Christ,
1564
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:34,510
of course it seemed
crazy to them.
1565
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:39,030
[Skin]
Sinéad was put into isolation.
1566
01:23:39,070 --> 01:23:40,990
She, was still
making great music,
1567
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:42,790
still making great records,
1568
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:45,430
but we didn't hear them
and we didn't see them.
1569
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:48,230
In those days, if the press
weren't talking about you,
1570
01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:50,910
if you weren't on the radio,
if you weren't on TV screens,
1571
01:23:50,910 --> 01:23:53,030
you might as well
have not existed.
1572
01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:54,670
Which is what
happened with Sinéad,
1573
01:23:54,670 --> 01:23:56,070
she just disappears.
1574
01:23:58,990 --> 01:24:01,390
[Sinéad] I have about
a ten-year period
1575
01:24:01,390 --> 01:24:03,150
I don't remember much,
1576
01:24:03,190 --> 01:24:04,150
because it suddenly
became a free for all
1577
01:24:04,190 --> 01:24:06,230
for everybody around me,
1578
01:24:06,230 --> 01:24:09,710
personally and publicly to
treat me like shit basically.
1579
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:14,350
They didn't like what
they saw on the mirror,
1580
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:15,910
I understand that now,
1581
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:17,710
but when I was younger,
I was just hurt.
1582
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:28,270
[Dr. Sinéad Kennedy] The
willingness to tell her story,
1583
01:24:28,270 --> 01:24:31,310
to share her personal pain,
her struggles,
1584
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:34,630
to share them, with Ireland
and with the world,
1585
01:24:34,630 --> 01:24:37,990
I think has given people,
the courage to do the same.
1586
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:44,710
[Enda Kenny] On behalf
of this state,
1587
01:24:44,710 --> 01:24:47,590
the government
and our citizens,
1588
01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:51,510
deeply regret,
and apologize unreservedly,
1589
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:53,110
to all those women,
1590
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:55,110
for the hurt
that was done to them,
1591
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:57,270
for the, any stigma
they have suffered,
1592
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:59,670
as a result
of the time they spent,
1593
01:24:59,670 --> 01:25:01,230
in the Magdalene Laundries.
1594
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:06,270
Today, we live in
a very different country,
1595
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:08,270
with a very different
consciousness,
1596
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:09,910
and a very different awareness.
1597
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:12,070
[crowd cheering]
1598
01:25:14,150 --> 01:25:16,710
An Ireland where we have
more compassion,
1599
01:25:16,710 --> 01:25:21,230
more empathy,
more insight, more heart.
1600
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:26,350
We do, because at last,
we are learning
those terrible lessons.
1601
01:25:26,350 --> 01:25:29,710
We do, because at last
we're giving up our secrets.
1602
01:25:34,750 --> 01:25:37,310
In Ireland, it's being
called a quiet revolution,
1603
01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:38,910
and a victory for women.
1604
01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:41,230
The once
conservative nation, voted yes
1605
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:44,150
to repeal a constitutional
ban on abortion.
1606
01:25:44,150 --> 01:25:46,390
[crowd cheering]
1607
01:25:46,430 --> 01:25:50,110
[women chanting]
1608
01:25:52,430 --> 01:25:53,910
[woman] Yeah,
I'm proud to be Irish today
1609
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:55,990
I think Ireland's
coming so far,
1610
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:58,110
in the last ten years,
and I think it's really showing
1611
01:25:58,110 --> 01:25:59,230
that we're not so influenced
1612
01:25:59,230 --> 01:26:01,030
by the church as much anymore.
1613
01:26:04,190 --> 01:26:05,990
[Roisin] Wherever there's
that righteous anger
1614
01:26:06,030 --> 01:26:08,150
of a woman now,
who is making a difference,
1615
01:26:08,190 --> 01:26:10,190
who's changing things,
1616
01:26:10,230 --> 01:26:12,310
who's standing up
and being courageous.
1617
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:15,790
That is where the little
sparks of Sinéad are.
1618
01:26:15,790 --> 01:26:18,070
[music playing]
1619
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:25,470
We are seeing the rights
that people fought
for being pulled back,
1620
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:27,350
being diminished,
1621
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:29,790
and... to look at the power
of speaking out,
1622
01:26:29,790 --> 01:26:32,950
and she is the absolute epitome
of what that power is.
1623
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:37,510
We need to keep showing
how effective it is,
1624
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:39,430
and how important it is.
1625
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:42,670
[crowd chanting]
1626
01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:48,430
Women's bodies are under attack!
1627
01:26:48,430 --> 01:26:50,190
What do we do?
Stand up, fight back!
1628
01:26:58,590 --> 01:27:00,470
[Chuck D] There's a lot
of artists that came afterward,
1629
01:27:00,470 --> 01:27:03,230
that were able to say
and speak their mind,
1630
01:27:03,230 --> 01:27:04,510
and spill their soul.
1631
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:09,590
She broke the ice
for a whole decade
1632
01:27:09,630 --> 01:27:11,430
or two decades
of artists after her.
1633
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:15,630
[upbeat music]
1634
01:27:29,710 --> 01:27:31,590
[reporter] A government
inquiry last year
1635
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:32,790
found some Irish bishops
1636
01:27:32,830 --> 01:27:34,630
put their church's reputation
1637
01:27:34,670 --> 01:27:36,790
before the interests
of their flock,
1638
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:40,510
actively covering up clerical
child abuse for 30 years.
1639
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:42,790
But the scandals
go far beyond Ireland,
1640
01:27:42,830 --> 01:27:44,830
and touch the Vatican directly.
1641
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:47,470
Last week, it was alleged
that Pope Benedict,
1642
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:49,310
then known as
Cardinal Ratzinger,
1643
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:51,510
had prevented the church trial,
1644
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:54,670
of an American paedophile
priest, in the 1990s.
1645
01:27:54,710 --> 01:27:58,110
The church in Ireland,
must acknowledge before the Lord
1646
01:27:58,150 --> 01:28:01,590
and others,
the serious sins committed
1647
01:28:01,630 --> 01:28:03,870
against defenceless children.
1648
01:28:09,790 --> 01:28:13,230
[Kathleen]
Sinéad O'Connor as an artist,
forged her own path
1649
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:16,310
in a world that just
was not ready for her.
1650
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:18,190
This young upstart,
1651
01:28:18,190 --> 01:28:20,550
with the most beautiful voice
you can imagine,
1652
01:28:20,590 --> 01:28:26,350
showed up, and just rocked
the shit out of the horse cart.
1653
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:28,350
I don't want to see
her as a martyr,
1654
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:30,310
because she's
a three-dimensional
human being.
1655
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:32,790
She makes mistakes,
she's a weirdo, she's great,
1656
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:35,550
she's a lot
of different things.
1657
01:28:35,550 --> 01:28:37,350
She did not deserve
what she got.
1658
01:28:39,230 --> 01:28:42,390
[calm music]
1659
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:46,150
[Sinéad] I regret that people
treated me like shit,
1660
01:28:46,150 --> 01:28:50,390
and I regret that I was
so wounded already
1661
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:54,110
that that really,
really killed me and hurt me.
1662
01:28:54,150 --> 01:28:56,230
You know?
1663
01:28:56,230 --> 01:28:58,470
They all thought that I should
be made a mockery of
1664
01:28:58,470 --> 01:29:01,150
for throwing
my career down the drain.
1665
01:29:01,150 --> 01:29:02,750
I never set out
to be a pop star,
1666
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:04,750
it didn't suit me
being a pop star.
1667
01:29:04,750 --> 01:29:07,790
So I didn't throw away any
fucking career that I wanted.
1668
01:29:07,790 --> 01:29:11,070
Didn't change my attitude.
1669
01:29:11,070 --> 01:29:12,990
I wasn't sorry,
I didn't regret it,
1670
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:16,750
it was the proudest thing
I've ever done as an artist.
1671
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:20,510
They broke my heart
and they killed me,
but I didn't die.
1672
01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:24,270
They tried to bury me,
1673
01:29:24,270 --> 01:29:25,710
they didn't realize
I was a seed.
1674
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:33,710
Thank you for hearing me
1675
01:29:35,710 --> 01:29:40,630
Thank you for hearing me
1676
01:29:42,670 --> 01:29:47,550
Thank you for hearing me
1677
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:54,870
Thank you for hearing me
1678
01:30:00,630 --> 01:30:06,630
Thank you for loving me
1679
01:30:06,670 --> 01:30:11,550
Thank you for loving me
1680
01:30:12,910 --> 01:30:18,510
Thank you for loving me
1681
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:23,750
Thank you for loving me
1682
01:30:28,110 --> 01:30:33,870
Which means forsaking me
1683
01:30:33,870 --> 01:30:39,710
Thank you for seeing me
1684
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:45,750
Thank you for seeing me
1685
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:51,350
Thank you for seeing me
1686
01:30:55,710 --> 01:31:01,430
And for not leaving me
1687
01:31:01,470 --> 01:31:06,550
And for not leaving me
1688
01:31:07,950 --> 01:31:13,910
And for not leaving me
1689
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:19,150
And for not leaving me
1690
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:29,110
Thank you
For staying with me
1691
01:31:29,150 --> 01:31:35,550
Thank you
For staying with me
1692
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:40,910
Thank you
For staying with me
1693
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:46,670
Thank you
For staying with me
1694
01:31:50,710 --> 01:31:56,470
Thanks for not hurting me
1695
01:31:56,470 --> 01:32:01,950
Thanks for not hurting me
1696
01:32:01,950 --> 01:32:07,910
Thanks for not hurting me
1697
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:13,710
Thanks for not hurting me
1698
01:32:18,270 --> 01:32:24,190
You are gentle with me
1699
01:32:24,230 --> 01:32:29,070
You are gentle with me
1700
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:36,590
You are gentle with me
1701
01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:42,070
You are gentle with me
1702
01:32:45,790 --> 01:32:51,590
Thanks for silence with me
1703
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:56,750
Thanks for silence with me
1704
01:32:58,150 --> 01:33:04,030
Thanks for silence with me
1705
01:33:04,030 --> 01:33:09,350
Thanks for silence with me
1706
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:20,070
Thank you for holding me
1707
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:26,430
And saying I could be
1708
01:33:26,430 --> 01:33:32,270
Thank you
For saying, "Baby"
1709
01:33:32,310 --> 01:33:37,150
Thank you for holding me
1710
01:33:41,670 --> 01:33:47,310
Thank you for helping me
1711
01:33:47,310 --> 01:33:53,110
Thank you for helping me
1712
01:33:53,150 --> 01:33:58,910
Thank you for helping me
1713
01:33:58,950 --> 01:34:02,710
Thank you
1714
01:34:02,710 --> 01:34:06,310
Thank you for helping me
1715
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:15,230
Thank you
For breaking my heart
1716
01:34:15,230 --> 01:34:20,990
Thank you
For tearing me apart
1717
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:24,390
Now I've a strong
1718
01:34:24,430 --> 01:34:27,430
Strong heart
1719
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:30,590
Thank you
1720
01:34:30,630 --> 01:34:36,470
For breaking my heart
1721
01:34:44,350 --> 01:34:47,310
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