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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:14,064 --> 00:01:15,976 Developing news now, former rap mogul Suge Knight 2 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,870 is headed to prison for voluntary manslaughter. 3 00:01:18,903 --> 00:01:20,572 He ran down a man in the parking lot 4 00:01:20,605 --> 00:01:22,349 of a Compton burger stand about three years ago, 5 00:01:22,373 --> 00:01:25,143 and today, he found out what his punishment's going to be. 6 00:01:25,176 --> 00:01:28,012 For the crime, the defendant has been convicted in count 1, 7 00:01:28,052 --> 00:01:31,222 the defendant's levied a term in state prison of 22 years. 8 00:01:31,248 --> 00:01:33,651 Prior conviction, the defendant has admitted 9 00:01:33,683 --> 00:01:35,695 he's levied an additional five years in state prison 10 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:39,590 for a total, unstayed term of 28 years. 11 00:01:39,623 --> 00:01:40,824 Quite a fall for Knight 12 00:01:40,858 --> 00:01:42,760 since the height of his career in the '90s. 13 00:01:42,792 --> 00:01:45,729 He's best known as the co-founder of Death Row Records, 14 00:01:45,763 --> 00:01:49,334 and worked with Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg and Tupac Shakur. 15 00:01:49,367 --> 00:01:52,904 And back here, live, uh, Sharon, he did look briefly at... 16 00:01:52,936 --> 00:01:55,373 Suge Knight's sentencing for 28 years 17 00:01:55,406 --> 00:01:57,241 signaled the end of his power, 18 00:01:57,274 --> 00:01:58,944 the end of his empire. 19 00:02:08,986 --> 00:02:11,122 People now, no longer as intimidated 20 00:02:11,155 --> 00:02:13,090 since Suge's incarceration, 21 00:02:13,123 --> 00:02:14,358 started talking more freely 22 00:02:14,391 --> 00:02:16,226 about Suge being the shadow 23 00:02:16,260 --> 00:02:19,263 behind Biggie Smalls' and Tupac Shakur's murders. 24 00:02:19,295 --> 00:02:21,231 You tell Frankie to call him. 25 00:02:21,265 --> 00:02:24,334 Frankie, you called me when she tells you to call me, Frankie. 26 00:02:24,368 --> 00:02:28,840 - Why, why what's... - Frankie goes to Hollywood. 27 00:02:28,873 --> 00:02:30,308 Hey, yo, Frankie! 28 00:02:30,340 --> 00:02:31,742 Frankie! 29 00:02:31,775 --> 00:02:35,245 - Yo, Frankie! - What are you... 30 00:02:35,279 --> 00:02:37,248 It caused me to review an earlier film 31 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,083 I'd made about Biggie and Tupac. 32 00:02:40,117 --> 00:02:41,953 People were now opening up to things 33 00:02:41,986 --> 00:02:43,887 I couldn't get answered before. 34 00:02:46,856 --> 00:02:50,160 Biggie and Tupac started off as the best of friends. 35 00:02:50,194 --> 00:02:52,696 Tupac was the one who discovered Biggie 36 00:02:52,730 --> 00:02:54,798 and brought him out on stage. 37 00:02:57,100 --> 00:03:00,404 And if you look very closely, you'll see the rarest of footage 38 00:03:00,438 --> 00:03:05,208 of Biggie and Tupac, hugging on the edge of stage. 39 00:03:05,242 --> 00:03:07,378 But partly because of Suge's influence, 40 00:03:07,410 --> 00:03:09,946 they ended up as deadly enemies. 41 00:03:09,980 --> 00:03:14,719 The victims of a gang war that Suge had initiated. 42 00:03:14,751 --> 00:03:17,387 It was LAPD detective, Russell Poole... 43 00:03:17,421 --> 00:03:18,656 - Hey. - Hello, hello! 44 00:03:18,689 --> 00:03:22,060 ...who originally alleged the connection between Suge Knight 45 00:03:22,093 --> 00:03:23,994 and the murders of Biggie and Tupac. 46 00:03:24,028 --> 00:03:27,098 Well, like I say, based on the witnesses 47 00:03:27,130 --> 00:03:30,967 that I've interviewed and the evidence, 48 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,704 I believe that Suge Knight 49 00:03:33,737 --> 00:03:36,339 ultimately called for the hit. 50 00:03:36,373 --> 00:03:38,709 And you said police chief, Bernard Parks, 51 00:03:38,743 --> 00:03:41,179 stopped you from investigating further 52 00:03:41,212 --> 00:03:43,447 because LAPD police officers 53 00:03:43,481 --> 00:03:45,083 were involved with Suge Knight? 54 00:03:45,116 --> 00:03:46,083 Well, that's correct. 55 00:03:46,117 --> 00:03:48,453 Yes, he was, uh, you know... 56 00:03:48,486 --> 00:03:51,723 it's several factors 57 00:03:51,755 --> 00:03:54,391 on why he didn't want this pursued 58 00:03:54,424 --> 00:03:56,360 to the fullest extent, 59 00:03:56,392 --> 00:03:58,995 and one being the fact that 60 00:03:59,029 --> 00:04:02,266 his own officers were involved. 61 00:04:02,298 --> 00:04:05,302 At the time, police chief Bernard Parks 62 00:04:05,335 --> 00:04:07,004 dismissed these allegations. 63 00:04:07,036 --> 00:04:08,372 He is totally wrong, 64 00:04:08,404 --> 00:04:11,842 he only worked the task force, for about four months. 65 00:04:11,875 --> 00:04:13,477 Russell Poole resigned, 66 00:04:13,511 --> 00:04:17,248 asserting massive corruption in the LAPD. 67 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:20,317 Tonight's shocking allegations against the city's top cop. 68 00:04:20,350 --> 00:04:22,352 Former detective Russell Poole has filed suit 69 00:04:22,386 --> 00:04:23,186 against the department. 70 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:25,223 Poole says he uncovered dirty cops 71 00:04:25,255 --> 00:04:26,857 while investigating the murders 72 00:04:26,891 --> 00:04:29,861 of rappers Biggie Smalls and Tupac Shakur. 73 00:04:29,893 --> 00:04:31,963 I provided the chief with enough... 74 00:04:31,996 --> 00:04:34,499 Russell died tragically a few years later. 75 00:04:34,532 --> 00:04:38,002 His career in tatters, the murders still unsolved. 76 00:04:38,035 --> 00:04:41,472 His work asserting dirty cops and corruption in the LAPD 77 00:04:41,504 --> 00:04:44,341 is as relevant today as it was then. 78 00:04:44,374 --> 00:04:46,944 - Knew I had no... - I am telling you right now... 79 00:04:46,977 --> 00:04:48,279 Book him up, book him up. 80 00:04:48,311 --> 00:04:49,179 You're under arrest. 81 00:04:49,213 --> 00:04:51,215 You're under arrest for interfering. 82 00:05:21,845 --> 00:05:23,180 You don't live here, do you? 83 00:05:50,139 --> 00:05:51,441 Back in the 1990s, 84 00:05:51,475 --> 00:05:54,177 Death Row was the most successful rap label ever, 85 00:05:54,210 --> 00:05:58,114 worth hundreds of millions of dollars. 86 00:05:58,148 --> 00:06:01,619 Yet, by 2002, with allegations of racketeering, 87 00:06:01,651 --> 00:06:05,388 it is closed down by a SWAT team and goes into bankruptcy. 88 00:06:07,458 --> 00:06:10,227 Death Row Records was in a very elegant part 89 00:06:10,261 --> 00:06:13,497 of Westwood in Los Angeles. 90 00:06:13,530 --> 00:06:17,934 It was really a big office 91 00:06:17,968 --> 00:06:20,304 and it was located across the hall 92 00:06:20,336 --> 00:06:23,440 from Interscope Records. 93 00:06:24,472 --> 00:06:27,611 When you first walk into Death Row Records, 94 00:06:27,645 --> 00:06:33,885 you got a vibe that it was a family kinda thing going on, 95 00:06:33,917 --> 00:06:37,321 that everybody cared about everybody. 96 00:06:37,353 --> 00:06:40,957 So, you kinda got fooled, right off the bat. 97 00:06:40,990 --> 00:06:45,128 Now, what I did notice the very first time 98 00:06:45,162 --> 00:06:49,100 was that there was always a lot of guys. 99 00:06:49,133 --> 00:06:52,103 When I say lot of guys I mean, they would be lined up, 100 00:06:52,136 --> 00:06:54,537 sitting in the hallway, chillin'. 101 00:06:54,571 --> 00:06:56,908 You didn't know why they were there. 102 00:06:56,941 --> 00:06:59,343 I don't even think they knew why they were there. 103 00:06:59,376 --> 00:07:03,314 You know, but Suge did give a lotta jobs to the guys, 104 00:07:03,347 --> 00:07:08,052 his gang member affiliation people. 105 00:07:08,085 --> 00:07:11,422 It was funny, they always had on red. 106 00:07:11,455 --> 00:07:14,592 Everybody that was everybody had on red. 107 00:07:14,624 --> 00:07:16,626 And Snoop and 'em always wore their blue. 108 00:07:16,660 --> 00:07:19,429 They never got off their Crip. 109 00:07:21,030 --> 00:07:23,934 You used to come in the office, right? 110 00:07:23,968 --> 00:07:26,170 And there'd be a gang of dudes up there. 111 00:07:26,203 --> 00:07:29,140 Bloods, I can always tell they Bloods, right? 112 00:07:29,172 --> 00:07:32,042 Um, smoking... 113 00:07:32,076 --> 00:07:34,177 Newports. 114 00:07:34,210 --> 00:07:36,379 Where they'll pop the thing off. 115 00:07:36,412 --> 00:07:38,482 Or the Camels, right? 116 00:07:38,514 --> 00:07:42,018 They pop the head off the Newport, right? 117 00:07:42,052 --> 00:07:44,422 And, and you could tell that they'd had just been 118 00:07:44,455 --> 00:07:45,665 in the penitentiary for a long time, 119 00:07:45,689 --> 00:07:48,259 'cause they just so used to sittin' down, 120 00:07:48,292 --> 00:07:52,063 smoking weed or them cigarettes, right. 121 00:07:52,095 --> 00:07:53,997 Talking shit. 122 00:07:54,030 --> 00:07:56,367 And then, it'd be like, new crews of cats 123 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,170 you could tell fresh out the pen, 124 00:07:59,203 --> 00:08:02,039 come up there to get a job. 125 00:08:02,071 --> 00:08:05,108 First thing they gonna ask you, "Where you from?" 126 00:08:05,141 --> 00:08:10,380 And you better not say you're from an enemy gang territory. 127 00:08:10,413 --> 00:08:14,184 Or they gonna say you gonna have to run it. 128 00:08:14,218 --> 00:08:15,251 You see what I'm sayin'? 129 00:08:15,285 --> 00:08:17,021 You know what I mean by run it? 130 00:08:17,054 --> 00:08:19,390 They gonna want, they want to fight. 131 00:08:37,340 --> 00:08:38,650 We come from a good, tight knit family. 132 00:08:38,674 --> 00:08:40,311 Really, really close. 133 00:08:40,343 --> 00:08:41,578 Everyone loves each other. 134 00:08:41,612 --> 00:08:44,248 Everyone thinks with one brain. 135 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,150 Parents are still together. 136 00:08:46,182 --> 00:08:48,718 And we're just, you know, just like a regular family. 137 00:08:48,751 --> 00:08:53,524 Uncle Suge was the baby, so he got away with everything. 138 00:08:53,556 --> 00:08:55,592 So, he's spoiled, he's the baby. 139 00:08:55,626 --> 00:09:00,463 He would call my mom and ask for, certain... 140 00:09:00,497 --> 00:09:02,699 you know, his potato salad, a certain way. 141 00:09:02,732 --> 00:09:05,669 He wants chicken his certain way. 142 00:09:05,702 --> 00:09:08,405 He wants, you know... and if anybody touches his chicken, 143 00:09:08,439 --> 00:09:10,307 his potato salad, he's angry. 144 00:09:10,339 --> 00:09:12,142 You know, he wants his food a certain way. 145 00:09:12,175 --> 00:09:14,811 He wants it... I mean he's the baby. 146 00:09:14,844 --> 00:09:17,380 So, and everybody loves him and they spoil him, 147 00:09:17,414 --> 00:09:19,216 especially my mom. 148 00:09:19,248 --> 00:09:21,751 So, whatever he says is, "Okay, Suge. 149 00:09:21,785 --> 00:09:23,820 Okay, little Suge, okay." 150 00:09:23,853 --> 00:09:26,623 So, he's, he's, he's, you know what I mean? 151 00:09:26,656 --> 00:09:29,727 He's the baby so he gets whatever he wants. 152 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,828 Happy Mother's Day from OFTB 153 00:09:31,862 --> 00:09:33,664 and all other mothers out there. 154 00:09:33,697 --> 00:09:36,734 Stay strong, stay up. 155 00:09:36,766 --> 00:09:39,335 There is also another side to Suge. 156 00:09:39,368 --> 00:09:42,305 He initially gave hope to the Compton community, 157 00:09:42,338 --> 00:09:45,342 which had the highest unemployment in LA. 158 00:09:45,375 --> 00:09:47,477 He also gave back to the community. 159 00:10:23,213 --> 00:10:26,283 Suge gave encouragement to artists like Danny Boy, 160 00:10:26,315 --> 00:10:29,219 whom he adopted as legal guardian, age 15, 161 00:10:29,252 --> 00:10:31,421 and acted as a father. 162 00:10:31,454 --> 00:10:32,323 Yes, he was. 163 00:10:32,356 --> 00:10:34,158 For sure, for sure. 164 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:37,393 Definitely like a father, like a big brother to me. 165 00:10:37,426 --> 00:10:40,430 A lot of things that people seen in Suge, 166 00:10:40,463 --> 00:10:44,434 or a lot of things that people said about Suge, 167 00:10:44,468 --> 00:10:47,704 you know, some of those things, I... 168 00:10:47,737 --> 00:10:49,339 you know, I didn't see him as that. 169 00:10:49,372 --> 00:10:50,340 You know what I mean? 170 00:10:50,373 --> 00:10:52,542 Because, I had a real relationship with him 171 00:10:52,575 --> 00:10:55,345 where I felt like I was able to, kinda, talk to him 172 00:10:55,378 --> 00:10:58,748 and say things that a son would say to a father. 173 00:10:58,781 --> 00:10:59,816 Yeah, so... 174 00:11:03,953 --> 00:11:06,189 Suge lived in Compton near Pam Brooks, 175 00:11:06,223 --> 00:11:07,525 an old friend of mine, 176 00:11:07,558 --> 00:11:10,194 and whom I asked to work on the film. 177 00:11:10,227 --> 00:11:10,861 Hi there. 178 00:11:10,894 --> 00:11:11,896 Pam knows everyone. 179 00:11:11,929 --> 00:11:13,363 Hi. 180 00:11:13,396 --> 00:11:14,873 Tell me what you know about Suge Knight. 181 00:11:14,897 --> 00:11:15,565 All right. 182 00:11:15,598 --> 00:11:17,667 Now what does you need to know? 183 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:19,235 Suge Knight is on that side. 184 00:11:19,269 --> 00:11:21,605 His... this is the Crip neighborhood. 185 00:11:21,637 --> 00:11:24,307 Suge Knight is over there off of Wilmington and Rosecrans 186 00:11:24,341 --> 00:11:25,543 all the way down. 187 00:11:25,575 --> 00:11:27,243 Do you know some of his homies? 188 00:11:27,276 --> 00:11:30,280 Yeah, I'ma, I'ma get you... let you talk to 'em. 189 00:11:30,314 --> 00:11:33,817 Yeah, I mean, and if they don't wanna talk or be on camera, 190 00:11:33,849 --> 00:11:35,319 can they just... I need to... 191 00:11:35,352 --> 00:11:36,462 they don't have to be on camera 192 00:11:36,486 --> 00:11:37,821 if they don't wanna be on camera. 193 00:11:37,853 --> 00:11:39,857 Just... I need... would they mind if we... 194 00:11:39,890 --> 00:11:41,925 they record their voice? 195 00:11:43,827 --> 00:11:45,196 Just, um- 196 00:11:49,266 --> 00:11:51,735 All right, call me and... 197 00:11:51,767 --> 00:11:55,439 Just call me and let me know and then, 198 00:11:55,472 --> 00:11:57,274 let me know, and... 199 00:11:57,306 --> 00:11:58,274 I don't know, these are England... 200 00:11:58,308 --> 00:12:00,544 they white people, they white but they Black. 201 00:12:00,577 --> 00:12:02,213 But, I mean, they're from England. 202 00:12:02,246 --> 00:12:03,380 - I mean... - All right. 203 00:12:03,413 --> 00:12:07,251 No, um, no, you know, we straight up. 204 00:12:12,689 --> 00:12:13,656 They're from England. 205 00:12:13,689 --> 00:12:14,992 Remember, they're crazy. 206 00:12:15,025 --> 00:12:17,361 Yeah. 207 00:12:17,394 --> 00:12:19,630 This is the first time Lipp Dogg speaks 208 00:12:19,663 --> 00:12:22,466 about working for Suge Knight. 209 00:12:22,498 --> 00:12:26,237 And so, before you worked at Death Row, you were? 210 00:12:26,270 --> 00:12:28,505 I was in prison... 211 00:12:28,538 --> 00:12:31,408 for attempted murder. 212 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,444 And so, Suge offered you a job? 213 00:12:33,477 --> 00:12:34,845 Right. 214 00:12:36,847 --> 00:12:38,515 Offered me. 215 00:12:38,548 --> 00:12:40,551 And how did that happen? 216 00:12:40,583 --> 00:12:43,020 Well, when I got... when I came home, 217 00:12:43,053 --> 00:12:46,357 one of my associates took me to where Suge was at. 218 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:48,559 Suge was about to go out of town 219 00:12:48,592 --> 00:12:52,263 and before he boarded a plane, 220 00:12:52,295 --> 00:12:54,297 me and him hooked up. 221 00:12:54,330 --> 00:12:56,466 Because I know Suge prior from then. 222 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:58,936 I know Suge ever since the early '70s 223 00:12:58,968 --> 00:13:01,504 'cause we grew up five houses from each other. 224 00:13:01,538 --> 00:13:04,508 So, you know, he knew me. 225 00:13:04,540 --> 00:13:05,508 Suge couldn't play with us. 226 00:13:05,541 --> 00:13:07,944 His mother wouldn't let him play with us. 227 00:13:07,977 --> 00:13:12,882 'Cause we were the thugs in the neighborhood. 228 00:13:12,915 --> 00:13:15,352 And she had a goal for Suge 229 00:13:15,385 --> 00:13:16,987 and that was for him to play sports. 230 00:13:35,805 --> 00:13:37,540 Marion Knight, number 54. 231 00:13:37,573 --> 00:13:39,075 Suge went to college. 232 00:13:39,108 --> 00:13:41,679 And, and, you know, he had good parents. 233 00:13:41,712 --> 00:13:45,082 He had both his mother and father that kept him away 234 00:13:45,115 --> 00:13:49,687 from the whole gang violence shit that we was doin'. 235 00:13:49,719 --> 00:13:53,022 Sometime they'd think and he'd think that's hard, 236 00:13:53,055 --> 00:13:54,023 you took away that from me. 237 00:13:54,056 --> 00:13:57,093 No, she gave you a better life. 238 00:13:57,126 --> 00:13:59,729 Being in office was just like 239 00:13:59,762 --> 00:14:02,098 conducting business on the street. 240 00:14:02,131 --> 00:14:04,968 Motherfucker got in the way, a motherfucker got dealt with. 241 00:14:05,001 --> 00:14:08,771 If you thought you was goin' to create a problem, 242 00:14:08,804 --> 00:14:09,673 you had a problem. 243 00:14:09,705 --> 00:14:13,643 You find yourself tossed upside down. 244 00:14:13,676 --> 00:14:15,912 One thing people knew about Death Row 245 00:14:15,945 --> 00:14:19,449 is they wasn't bullshitting and they will whoop your ass 246 00:14:19,482 --> 00:14:21,352 with no questions asked. 247 00:14:21,385 --> 00:14:24,855 If you stepped on the red rug, 248 00:14:24,887 --> 00:14:26,556 if you answer the phone, 249 00:14:26,589 --> 00:14:29,459 if you parked in somebody's spot, 250 00:14:29,492 --> 00:14:31,462 you gonna get your ass whooped. 251 00:14:31,495 --> 00:14:33,997 Some people died. 252 00:14:34,030 --> 00:14:39,435 Some people just got beat up, you know, uh... 253 00:14:39,468 --> 00:14:41,438 few people got rap pacts. 254 00:14:42,939 --> 00:14:45,742 You know, when I say people got disciplined, 255 00:14:45,775 --> 00:14:50,747 they got in the way or Death Row was on a mission. 256 00:14:50,780 --> 00:14:53,117 You couldn't stand on the logo. 257 00:14:53,150 --> 00:14:54,318 The Death Row logo. 258 00:14:54,351 --> 00:14:58,922 Stood on that logo, you're probably gonna get knocked out. 259 00:14:58,954 --> 00:15:01,525 And no telling who gonna knock you out, 260 00:15:01,558 --> 00:15:03,827 but you probably got knocked out. 261 00:15:03,859 --> 00:15:05,461 You had a dog, Damu. 262 00:15:05,495 --> 00:15:07,431 Suge's German Shepherd. 263 00:15:07,463 --> 00:15:09,031 His name was Damu. 264 00:15:09,064 --> 00:15:11,434 It mean blood, you know. 265 00:15:11,468 --> 00:15:13,035 The dog would attack you. 266 00:15:13,069 --> 00:15:15,872 How it was trained. 267 00:15:15,905 --> 00:15:17,940 'Cause it thinking, the dog thinking 268 00:15:17,973 --> 00:15:21,444 you tryin' to get next to him, next to Suge. 269 00:15:21,477 --> 00:15:22,655 And if you tryin' to get next to Suge, 270 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:24,081 that dog is gonna attack you. 271 00:15:24,113 --> 00:15:25,948 You know? 272 00:15:25,982 --> 00:15:28,886 And is it true he had, like, piranha fish? 273 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:31,922 Yeah, he had a black tank 274 00:15:31,954 --> 00:15:35,458 built into the wall in his office. 275 00:15:35,492 --> 00:15:36,860 And it was dark... 276 00:15:36,892 --> 00:15:40,062 it was black piranhas. 277 00:15:40,096 --> 00:15:41,698 We used to feed 'em blood worms. 278 00:15:41,731 --> 00:15:44,735 He used to buy a big pack of blood worms 279 00:15:44,767 --> 00:15:47,737 and put 'em in there and they'd just go crazy. 280 00:15:49,639 --> 00:15:52,209 Yeah. 281 00:15:52,242 --> 00:15:55,945 No, they, and he'd, he'd look at that, 282 00:15:55,978 --> 00:15:58,781 at that, at that tank 283 00:15:58,814 --> 00:16:01,984 and look at you, 284 00:16:02,017 --> 00:16:06,589 then you know, people, they was calm. 285 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,676 They were gang bangers. 286 00:16:25,708 --> 00:16:29,679 They were gang bangers and they worked for Suge Knight. 287 00:16:29,713 --> 00:16:32,149 So, they was, like, Suge Knight's boys. 288 00:16:32,181 --> 00:16:35,017 So, I believe... my belief of it is 289 00:16:35,050 --> 00:16:37,086 they did what Suge told them to do. 290 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,956 Because they was broke, they're... 291 00:16:38,988 --> 00:16:41,557 they couldn't get a job because they was already marked 292 00:16:41,591 --> 00:16:45,496 as gang bangers so they took their ride with Suge Knight. 293 00:16:45,529 --> 00:16:46,864 And they accepted that 1,000. 294 00:16:46,896 --> 00:16:49,165 That 1,000... for a person that never had no- 295 00:16:49,198 --> 00:16:50,867 for a person that don't have nothin', 296 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,703 a $1,000 is good day. 297 00:16:52,736 --> 00:16:55,506 $1,000 a day to do some dirty shit 298 00:16:55,539 --> 00:16:57,107 to the next motherfucker. 299 00:16:57,140 --> 00:16:58,674 Or go over here and drop this car off 300 00:16:58,708 --> 00:17:00,511 or go over here and drop this bag off. 301 00:17:00,544 --> 00:17:01,554 And you don't know what's in the bag, 302 00:17:01,578 --> 00:17:04,515 but 9 out of 10, you know what's in the bag. 303 00:17:04,548 --> 00:17:06,683 Because you not gonna fuck with nobody. 304 00:17:06,716 --> 00:17:09,019 You know, you not gonna put yourself in a situation 305 00:17:09,051 --> 00:17:12,555 where you don't know if it's a dead body in a trunk or not. 306 00:17:12,588 --> 00:17:13,689 Some people do. 307 00:17:13,723 --> 00:17:15,791 Some motherfuckers don't give a fuck. 308 00:17:15,824 --> 00:17:16,892 You know what I'm sayin'? 309 00:17:16,925 --> 00:17:18,725 Because they'd be so desperate for this money. 310 00:17:20,629 --> 00:17:24,133 Inflicting pain on people was, was like my medicine. 311 00:17:24,166 --> 00:17:26,936 It was... I felt good. 312 00:17:26,970 --> 00:17:29,806 I, I truly felt good about it. 313 00:17:29,838 --> 00:17:32,809 I took pleasure into it. 314 00:17:32,841 --> 00:17:37,179 Okay, I mean, just the... seeing the blood, 315 00:17:37,213 --> 00:17:41,952 how it, it came out your nose, how it came out your ears. 316 00:17:41,984 --> 00:17:44,954 You, you, you don't wanna die. 317 00:17:44,988 --> 00:17:46,623 You don't wanna die. 318 00:17:46,655 --> 00:17:50,027 These cats don't give a fuck if they do die. 319 00:17:50,059 --> 00:17:51,361 And, and I mean that like that. 320 00:17:51,395 --> 00:17:55,933 I'm not puttin' 'em on nothing, but these cats don't care. 321 00:17:55,965 --> 00:17:57,067 You know what I'm sayin'? 322 00:17:57,099 --> 00:17:58,569 We lose homies in prison, 323 00:17:58,601 --> 00:18:01,737 we lose homies on the street on the daily. 324 00:18:01,771 --> 00:18:03,941 We done seen death. 325 00:18:03,973 --> 00:18:04,875 We done seen it. 326 00:18:04,907 --> 00:18:06,208 I held it. 327 00:18:06,242 --> 00:18:07,376 You know what I'm sayin? 328 00:18:07,409 --> 00:18:11,881 I watched my homeboy Kenny Chuggs take his last breath. 329 00:18:11,915 --> 00:18:14,050 Like, wow. 330 00:18:14,084 --> 00:18:16,953 Mob James recruited gang members for Suge, 331 00:18:16,986 --> 00:18:20,089 including Buntry, his younger brother. 332 00:18:20,123 --> 00:18:24,828 Tupac would rap about Buntry who would later be murdered. 333 00:18:24,860 --> 00:18:29,665 Suge utilized each and every, every guy 334 00:18:29,699 --> 00:18:31,935 that, that I brung to him. 335 00:18:31,967 --> 00:18:35,071 Instead of him being the businessman he shoulda been, 336 00:18:35,105 --> 00:18:38,275 he turned into one of the homies. 337 00:18:38,308 --> 00:18:41,278 Shit, Suge put on a red suit, 338 00:18:41,310 --> 00:18:43,347 the big rings, the cigars, 339 00:18:43,379 --> 00:18:45,314 and he just changed. 340 00:18:45,348 --> 00:18:48,885 He went from Marion 341 00:18:48,917 --> 00:18:52,989 to, to, to this gangster. 342 00:18:53,022 --> 00:18:55,992 And, and, and I say 343 00:18:56,026 --> 00:18:59,363 some men can't take power like that, 344 00:18:59,396 --> 00:19:01,697 and, and, and just know 345 00:19:01,731 --> 00:19:04,300 that they have all that power and be good. 346 00:19:04,334 --> 00:19:05,969 Suge took that power. 347 00:19:06,001 --> 00:19:07,203 He felt the energy. 348 00:19:07,236 --> 00:19:09,905 He felt, like... just say, for instance, 349 00:19:09,938 --> 00:19:13,209 going into a concert and you got 20 Bloods behind you. 350 00:19:13,242 --> 00:19:15,145 I'm the smallest one. 351 00:19:15,177 --> 00:19:17,246 Everybody else is, is, 352 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,415 I'm talking about like, like big. 353 00:19:19,449 --> 00:19:22,152 And everybody mentality is, 354 00:19:22,184 --> 00:19:24,253 if anybody say something to Suge, 355 00:19:24,287 --> 00:19:27,156 knock their, knock their fucking head off. 356 00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:30,794 And all of these famous people was lookin' 357 00:19:30,827 --> 00:19:33,163 and seein' Suge's entourage 358 00:19:33,195 --> 00:19:36,098 and it was, it was like he was Jesus. 359 00:19:36,132 --> 00:19:38,068 Everybody just start parting away, 360 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:40,203 and we would walk through that crowd. 361 00:19:40,235 --> 00:19:43,906 And Suge, 362 00:19:43,940 --> 00:19:45,275 he felt it. 363 00:19:45,308 --> 00:19:47,176 But it was just too much for him. 364 00:19:47,210 --> 00:19:50,280 At the end of the day, it was too much. 365 00:19:50,312 --> 00:19:53,049 Put your hands together and say, oh yeah! 366 00:19:53,082 --> 00:19:54,050 - Oh yeah! - Oh yeah! 367 00:19:54,084 --> 00:19:57,688 Lemme see somebody give Dre, Suge and D.O.C. 368 00:19:57,721 --> 00:19:58,922 a round of applause. 369 00:19:58,955 --> 00:20:03,159 Death Row Records is gonna be the record company of the 2000s! 370 00:20:03,193 --> 00:20:04,860 Death Row had the money to throw 371 00:20:04,894 --> 00:20:07,931 the most lavish celebrity parties in Beverly Hills. 372 00:20:09,933 --> 00:20:12,301 The label started with, uh, Dr. Dre, 373 00:20:12,335 --> 00:20:14,171 who was gonna his own thing, 374 00:20:14,203 --> 00:20:16,440 and, uh, with a lotta help from Suge Knight... 375 00:20:16,473 --> 00:20:20,010 David Kenner, seen here, and Suge Knight, ran Death Row. 376 00:20:20,042 --> 00:20:23,847 According to employees, they did whatever they wanted. 377 00:20:23,879 --> 00:20:27,383 Beverly Rollis, front and center. 378 00:20:28,952 --> 00:20:30,386 He had huge houses. 379 00:20:30,419 --> 00:20:32,088 He had lots of cars. 380 00:20:32,121 --> 00:20:36,158 He could come to work every day in a different car for a month 381 00:20:36,192 --> 00:20:39,496 and never drive the same car. 382 00:20:39,529 --> 00:20:41,998 Really? 383 00:20:42,030 --> 00:20:45,367 To be honest, Suge was just two-faced. 384 00:20:45,401 --> 00:20:49,239 He was two-faced and he really wasn't 385 00:20:49,271 --> 00:20:52,174 a man of his word. 386 00:20:52,207 --> 00:20:55,878 And I'm tellin' you, that day that he set me up to be beat up, 387 00:20:55,912 --> 00:20:59,516 I never thought... I had no inkling 388 00:20:59,549 --> 00:21:01,885 that that was gonna happen that day. 389 00:21:01,917 --> 00:21:03,919 He had planned that whole thing all weekend. 390 00:21:03,953 --> 00:21:06,289 He was ready. 391 00:21:06,321 --> 00:21:10,159 He had one of his girlfriends bring the girl up to the office. 392 00:21:10,193 --> 00:21:12,261 They snuck her through the back door. 393 00:21:12,294 --> 00:21:14,430 The girl that jumped on me, she was dropped off 394 00:21:14,463 --> 00:21:17,333 by a girl that was one of his girlfriends. 395 00:21:17,367 --> 00:21:21,437 This girl came outta nowhere and she sucker-punched me. 396 00:21:21,471 --> 00:21:23,973 Stomping me in my face. 397 00:21:24,007 --> 00:21:26,343 And Suge had me by my feet, 398 00:21:26,376 --> 00:21:28,511 and David Kenner just stood and watched. 399 00:21:28,544 --> 00:21:30,412 And what did Suge say? 400 00:21:30,445 --> 00:21:32,549 He was holdin' my feet. 401 00:21:32,581 --> 00:21:34,885 So then, when I kicked him in his nuts, 402 00:21:34,917 --> 00:21:37,853 that's when I got familiar with the back door. 403 00:21:37,886 --> 00:21:41,157 So, when I ran out the back door and I ran over to Interscope, 404 00:21:41,191 --> 00:21:44,327 they musta knew somethin' was happening, 405 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,397 because they locked the door, so you couldn't go in. 406 00:21:48,431 --> 00:21:49,866 You know, they treated women... 407 00:21:49,898 --> 00:21:51,410 I mean, they would have fights in there, 408 00:21:51,434 --> 00:21:53,369 girl fights, in the offices 409 00:21:53,403 --> 00:21:55,905 where they would put the assistants against other women 410 00:21:55,938 --> 00:21:58,240 and they'd like... like, literal girl fights 411 00:21:58,273 --> 00:22:01,110 where they would open up... like, in the middle of the floor. 412 00:22:01,144 --> 00:22:04,114 Where they would... like it was like boxing matches 413 00:22:04,146 --> 00:22:05,549 where women would fight. 414 00:22:05,581 --> 00:22:07,983 And I just... I never saw the fights, 415 00:22:08,017 --> 00:22:09,027 they would just tell me about them. 416 00:22:09,051 --> 00:22:10,920 Dre told me about 'em, and I was just like, 417 00:22:10,953 --> 00:22:13,522 "Who does that in the offices of the..." whatever. 418 00:22:13,556 --> 00:22:15,959 And so, that's how little they thought of women. 419 00:22:15,992 --> 00:22:19,896 And so, I, I never... I just never understood it. 420 00:22:19,928 --> 00:22:22,565 I just... they just thought women were second class citizens. 421 00:22:22,598 --> 00:22:26,302 They were just literally there for their amusement, 422 00:22:26,336 --> 00:22:29,205 entertainment, and enjoyment. 423 00:22:29,239 --> 00:22:30,273 Nothing else. 424 00:22:30,306 --> 00:22:33,109 And if you dated one of them, 425 00:22:33,142 --> 00:22:34,578 you understood that was your place. 426 00:22:36,879 --> 00:22:39,515 What about DJ Quick? 427 00:22:39,549 --> 00:22:41,885 No? 428 00:22:41,917 --> 00:22:43,386 What an insult to them. 429 00:22:43,418 --> 00:22:45,988 No. 430 00:22:46,021 --> 00:22:48,258 'Cause they still in the life. 431 00:22:50,126 --> 00:22:53,864 Let's call Joe Cool and see what he got going on. 432 00:22:53,896 --> 00:22:58,400 Pam showed me some useful tips I hadn't learned at film school. 433 00:22:58,434 --> 00:23:01,203 Pam is friends with Joe Cool, Snoop's cousin, 434 00:23:01,236 --> 00:23:02,973 who'd been hard to get. 435 00:23:03,005 --> 00:23:04,206 Oh yeah. 436 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,243 I got a good plot goin' on in my head. 437 00:23:07,277 --> 00:23:08,311 A good plan? 438 00:23:08,344 --> 00:23:09,479 Plot, no, you gotta plot. 439 00:23:09,511 --> 00:23:13,415 This is... you gotta plot with motherfuckers like this. 440 00:23:13,449 --> 00:23:15,418 You wanna play hardball, let's play. 441 00:23:15,451 --> 00:23:17,654 So, what's your plot tomorrow? 442 00:23:17,686 --> 00:23:20,389 Well, I'll go get the... get rid of her, 443 00:23:20,423 --> 00:23:25,261 go get the... go get my friend and then go out there, 444 00:23:25,294 --> 00:23:28,898 get some weed, smoke that, and go out there and, 445 00:23:28,932 --> 00:23:31,568 you know, rub my titties against him 'cause he likes me. 446 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,203 I just gotta play the game. 447 00:23:36,371 --> 00:23:38,507 Pam and Joe Cool go way back. 448 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:41,477 He's a Crip and worked with Snoop, his cousin. 449 00:23:41,511 --> 00:23:43,646 At Death Row, there's an uneasy alliance 450 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,249 between Blood and Crip gang members. 451 00:23:46,281 --> 00:23:49,418 Suge is a Blood, Snoop and Joe Cool are Crips. 452 00:23:49,452 --> 00:23:54,391 These dudes that Suge had were known Crip killers. 453 00:23:54,424 --> 00:23:56,358 Uh, real rough motherfuckers, 454 00:23:56,392 --> 00:23:58,228 ex smokers. 455 00:23:58,261 --> 00:23:59,930 You know what I'm sayin'? 456 00:23:59,963 --> 00:24:03,266 Ex cons, fresh out the penitentiary motherfuckers. 457 00:24:03,299 --> 00:24:04,334 They did not play. 458 00:24:04,367 --> 00:24:06,168 They overdid their job. 459 00:24:06,202 --> 00:24:07,636 And they robbed and they stole. 460 00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:10,139 They pillaged and they plundered. 461 00:24:10,173 --> 00:24:11,540 And I've seen them do it. 462 00:24:11,574 --> 00:24:13,209 One of their favorite things is this, 463 00:24:13,242 --> 00:24:15,377 as far as them being security for Suge. 464 00:24:15,411 --> 00:24:17,681 Their favorite thing would be to do this, 465 00:24:17,713 --> 00:24:21,684 Suge's boys, they were thieves, robbers, murders, rapists. 466 00:24:21,717 --> 00:24:24,954 I'm telling you, it was Compton's worst. 467 00:24:24,988 --> 00:24:26,523 And so, what he would do is... 468 00:24:26,556 --> 00:24:30,527 what they would do is, "He got a gun!" 469 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,662 It might be a guy with a big chain on, right? 470 00:24:32,694 --> 00:24:37,099 Big old chain on or a gang of jewelry on, 471 00:24:37,133 --> 00:24:39,970 and they'll point him out and they like, "Oh, he got a gun!" 472 00:24:40,002 --> 00:24:43,173 Next thing I know, everybody jumps on this dude. 473 00:24:43,205 --> 00:24:44,573 When the dude come up, 474 00:24:44,607 --> 00:24:48,345 he ain't got no jewelry, no wallet, might not... 475 00:24:48,377 --> 00:24:51,580 might be missing a few teeth, you know what I'm sayin'? 476 00:24:51,614 --> 00:24:56,219 Disorientated and just left there in a bloody mess. 477 00:24:56,251 --> 00:24:58,288 And they would do that all the time. 478 00:25:06,729 --> 00:25:10,266 It was drugs up there. 479 00:25:10,299 --> 00:25:12,668 It was, you know, drug dealings. 480 00:25:12,702 --> 00:25:16,740 It was like multiple suitcases with powdered cocaine 481 00:25:16,772 --> 00:25:19,675 or, or, re-rocked cocaine up in there, it was a lot. 482 00:25:19,709 --> 00:25:23,146 I've seen, I've seen things 483 00:25:23,178 --> 00:25:25,415 and I've been handed things, you know? 484 00:25:28,251 --> 00:25:31,087 Russell Poole had said this years before. 485 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,625 He alleged that dirty cops were an essential part of Death Row. 486 00:25:35,657 --> 00:25:38,127 It was no secret that Death Row Records, 487 00:25:38,161 --> 00:25:42,032 uh, was involved in drug trafficking. 488 00:25:42,065 --> 00:25:44,434 The big piece of this is the fact that 489 00:25:44,466 --> 00:25:48,670 we had police officers working in the organization. 490 00:25:48,703 --> 00:25:51,774 And police officers on different levels, you know. 491 00:25:51,808 --> 00:25:54,411 There was actual security guards 492 00:25:54,444 --> 00:25:57,780 that were actually doing security for various artists, 493 00:25:57,813 --> 00:26:00,582 and then you had, like, these confidants, 494 00:26:00,616 --> 00:26:04,354 which I believe, uh, Gaines, 495 00:26:04,386 --> 00:26:09,059 and Mack and Perez were part of that crew. 496 00:26:09,091 --> 00:26:13,396 They were willing to do anything for Suge Knight. 497 00:26:13,428 --> 00:26:15,397 102 is Dave Mack of America- 498 00:26:15,431 --> 00:26:16,499 David Mack, in blue, 499 00:26:16,531 --> 00:26:18,667 before he became a police officer, 500 00:26:18,701 --> 00:26:22,271 was a world-class athlete. 501 00:26:22,305 --> 00:26:23,473 David Mack, 5. 502 00:26:23,505 --> 00:26:27,176 By complete chance, Tupac's manager, helped train him. 503 00:26:27,210 --> 00:26:29,612 Leila has avoided talking about David Mack 504 00:26:29,645 --> 00:26:31,748 for the past 24 years. 505 00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:35,385 I was working with Olympic track and field athletes 506 00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:36,352 in the early '80s. 507 00:26:36,386 --> 00:26:40,123 So, David Mack, who ended up being the cop 508 00:26:40,155 --> 00:26:43,725 that was entangled with Suge and everything, 509 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:45,862 he was one of the athletes on the team. 510 00:26:45,895 --> 00:26:51,367 I worked on David Mack in '82, '83, '84. 511 00:26:51,399 --> 00:26:53,469 The Olympics were in 1984. 512 00:26:53,502 --> 00:26:55,838 And I knew David very well, 'cause we worked together 513 00:26:55,871 --> 00:26:58,607 for years before he was an officer. 514 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,345 So, um, I can't speak to all the things 515 00:27:03,378 --> 00:27:04,780 that went on and what they did. 516 00:27:04,813 --> 00:27:07,249 All I can tell you is you cannot run 517 00:27:07,282 --> 00:27:11,521 a criminal enterprise, at that magnitude, 518 00:27:11,553 --> 00:27:16,325 without a certain level 519 00:27:16,358 --> 00:27:19,462 of compliance with the police department. 520 00:27:23,465 --> 00:27:26,735 It was David Mack who introduced fellow LAPD officer 521 00:27:26,769 --> 00:27:30,240 Rafael Perez to Suge Knight. 522 00:27:30,272 --> 00:27:33,376 Perez actively dealt in narcotics. 523 00:27:33,408 --> 00:27:36,545 The police did this you controlling the street gangs. 524 00:27:36,578 --> 00:27:40,716 They ran from us and discarded the narcotics in the gutter. 525 00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:42,519 It was no big deal to us. 526 00:27:42,551 --> 00:27:43,785 We'll just put dope on you. 527 00:27:43,819 --> 00:27:45,687 We know you had it. 528 00:27:45,721 --> 00:27:47,857 Here, Perez confesses to stealing 529 00:27:47,889 --> 00:27:49,858 over a million dollars of cocaine 530 00:27:49,892 --> 00:27:51,861 from the LAPD evidence locker. 531 00:27:51,894 --> 00:27:54,263 ...having violated several vows and oaths... 532 00:27:54,297 --> 00:27:57,467 He implicates a further 70 other police officers 533 00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,737 in crimes ranging from murder, beatings, 534 00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:04,406 trafficking narcotics, filing false police reports, 535 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,342 and lying on the witness stand. 536 00:28:08,978 --> 00:28:11,915 This is police chief Bernard Parks. 537 00:28:11,947 --> 00:28:16,552 The city of LA ended up paying an estimated $125 million 538 00:28:16,586 --> 00:28:19,822 in settlement claims. 539 00:28:19,855 --> 00:28:22,424 Do you think Chief Parks tried to influence 540 00:28:22,457 --> 00:28:26,662 the investigation into David Mack and Perez? 541 00:28:26,695 --> 00:28:31,701 Well, the evidence that was presented to us 542 00:28:31,733 --> 00:28:35,405 clearly showed that there were attempts 543 00:28:35,437 --> 00:28:37,806 at the highest level of the department 544 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:39,908 to make things disappear. 545 00:28:39,942 --> 00:28:42,612 I will say that he did way beyond 546 00:28:42,645 --> 00:28:45,415 what anybody would've expected of a chief of police. 547 00:28:45,447 --> 00:28:48,317 Way beyond. 548 00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:50,919 There's strong evidence that Rafael Perez, Nino Durden, 549 00:28:50,953 --> 00:28:53,889 and David Mack, seen here in Blood colors 550 00:28:53,923 --> 00:28:55,924 as well as being police officers, 551 00:28:55,957 --> 00:28:59,995 were members of the Mob Piru Blood gang, as was Suge Knight. 552 00:29:00,029 --> 00:29:02,531 They and other members of the police department 553 00:29:02,565 --> 00:29:05,468 controlled the streets with a reign of terror. 554 00:29:18,347 --> 00:29:20,916 Yeah, pad down, down the waist, around the waistline. 555 00:29:30,393 --> 00:29:32,761 Put 'em behind your back, lie down! 556 00:29:32,794 --> 00:29:36,031 The streets are controlled by the biggest gang that we have, 557 00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:38,034 and that's the police. 558 00:29:38,067 --> 00:29:39,168 And those gang members, 559 00:29:39,202 --> 00:29:43,338 many of whom didn't end up serving on the streets, 560 00:29:43,371 --> 00:29:44,906 they became officers. 561 00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:48,444 What are the requirements to become a police officer? 562 00:29:48,476 --> 00:29:50,379 Not a whole lot. 563 00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:52,815 The corrupt police 564 00:29:52,848 --> 00:29:57,654 are facilitating the distribution of drugs. 565 00:29:57,686 --> 00:30:00,522 There's no way in the world 566 00:30:00,556 --> 00:30:03,393 you can have the mass amount of drugs 567 00:30:03,425 --> 00:30:08,530 if not for police allowing stuff to come in. 568 00:30:10,031 --> 00:30:12,635 And into this messy and volatile situation 569 00:30:12,667 --> 00:30:15,437 of gangs, violence, and corrupt police 570 00:30:15,471 --> 00:30:17,807 came Tupac Shakur, who had himself 571 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,542 just come out of prison on assault charges 572 00:30:20,576 --> 00:30:24,380 and would fuel the fire of Death Row even more. 573 00:30:24,413 --> 00:30:27,849 Tupac would be dead within 11 months. 574 00:30:27,883 --> 00:30:28,918 Ah, look. 575 00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:38,560 This is Tupac Shakur with his producer, Tracy Robinson, 576 00:30:38,594 --> 00:30:41,698 who says that none of it needed to go the way it did. 577 00:30:41,731 --> 00:30:43,900 When I went to visit him in Dannemora, 578 00:30:43,933 --> 00:30:47,403 I think he would not have gone to Death Row 579 00:30:47,435 --> 00:30:50,505 if Interscope had just stepped up. 580 00:30:50,539 --> 00:30:54,376 Anyone from, uh, 581 00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:56,678 probably Interscope could've got him out of jail. 582 00:30:56,712 --> 00:30:57,613 You know? 583 00:30:57,646 --> 00:30:59,514 Tom Molly could've got him out of jail. 584 00:30:59,548 --> 00:31:01,818 Jimmy Iovine could've got him out of jail. 585 00:31:01,850 --> 00:31:05,954 He was on their label, Interscope. 586 00:31:05,988 --> 00:31:09,125 So, Death Row was a subsidiary, 587 00:31:09,157 --> 00:31:12,094 as you know, of Interscope, 588 00:31:12,127 --> 00:31:16,031 and if Interscope people had've got him out of jail, 589 00:31:16,065 --> 00:31:19,769 it would be a whole different scenario. 590 00:31:19,801 --> 00:31:21,937 But instead he's stuck in a situation 591 00:31:21,971 --> 00:31:24,906 with some people who are gang people. 592 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:26,909 What did you think of Suge? 593 00:31:26,942 --> 00:31:29,545 I don't know Suge, so I can't speak 594 00:31:29,578 --> 00:31:31,513 on his behalf at all, you know. 595 00:31:31,547 --> 00:31:32,915 I don't know him. 596 00:31:32,947 --> 00:31:35,851 Uh, and, 597 00:31:35,885 --> 00:31:38,921 I just know the energy that I've got from him 598 00:31:38,953 --> 00:31:42,692 from the time that I had to deal with him. 599 00:31:42,724 --> 00:31:45,761 It's not pleasant, it's just not. 600 00:31:45,794 --> 00:31:48,864 And, you know, it's not, it's not pleasant 601 00:31:48,897 --> 00:31:50,665 for me to have to even talk about. 602 00:31:50,699 --> 00:31:53,503 'Cause he's alive, his down line is alive. 603 00:31:53,536 --> 00:31:55,112 You know, his people are alive, you know. 604 00:31:55,136 --> 00:31:56,304 These people are revengeful. 605 00:31:56,338 --> 00:31:58,483 This is the kind of stuff I'm just saying to you right now 606 00:31:58,507 --> 00:32:02,178 like, I wouldn't even want this on tape because, 607 00:32:02,211 --> 00:32:04,146 like, I live here, I'm alive. 608 00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:05,982 Like I says yo, I'm alive, I'm walking. 609 00:32:06,014 --> 00:32:09,551 People are still getting shot for no fucking reason. 610 00:32:09,585 --> 00:32:11,187 You know what I mean, like, it's... 611 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:14,557 that gang shit is... it's ridiculous. 612 00:32:14,589 --> 00:32:15,958 It's ridiculous. 613 00:32:17,626 --> 00:32:18,927 Sup, Hammer? 614 00:32:18,961 --> 00:32:21,164 There he comes! 615 00:32:21,196 --> 00:32:23,732 He took it very hard. 616 00:32:23,765 --> 00:32:26,701 He felt more of an impending doom 617 00:32:26,734 --> 00:32:29,972 having signed with Death Row. 618 00:32:30,004 --> 00:32:31,940 'Cause even while he was in jail, 619 00:32:31,973 --> 00:32:35,544 people were telling him not to sign with Death Row. 620 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,885 Yaasmyn Fula raised Tupac, but rarely speaks. 621 00:32:42,917 --> 00:32:45,588 She knew Tupac better than anyone. 622 00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:48,156 Here she is visiting Tupac in prison. 623 00:32:50,893 --> 00:32:53,729 Having just been released from prison, 624 00:32:53,761 --> 00:32:56,999 and now he's signed with Death Row Records, 625 00:32:57,031 --> 00:33:00,970 he had to continue to bask in this 626 00:33:01,002 --> 00:33:03,872 being part of that gangster element 627 00:33:03,905 --> 00:33:05,073 when he really wasn't. 628 00:33:05,107 --> 00:33:07,609 Tupac was not a gangster. 629 00:33:07,643 --> 00:33:10,213 That had a very negative effect 630 00:33:10,245 --> 00:33:13,582 on the positive things he was trying to accomplish. 631 00:33:13,616 --> 00:33:14,826 You know, here you are, you're a gangster 632 00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:19,488 or you're relishing in this persona of being a gangster. 633 00:33:19,521 --> 00:33:22,992 You're associating with people throwing up gang signs, 634 00:33:23,024 --> 00:33:28,530 making music that glorifies the gangster ethic, 635 00:33:28,563 --> 00:33:30,832 you know, and debases women. 636 00:33:30,866 --> 00:33:33,502 You know, so, there were so many contradictions 637 00:33:33,536 --> 00:33:35,171 that he had to overcome 638 00:33:35,203 --> 00:33:37,874 before he could even achieve the things 639 00:33:37,906 --> 00:33:40,542 that he really wanted to achieve. 640 00:33:40,576 --> 00:33:44,914 He wanted to address the issues 641 00:33:44,946 --> 00:33:48,550 of poverty, despair, 642 00:33:48,584 --> 00:33:51,187 drug addiction. 643 00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:52,954 It's hard to equate the image 644 00:33:52,988 --> 00:33:55,291 that Tupac presented at Death Row 645 00:33:55,324 --> 00:33:59,028 with the young idealistic, politically motivated Tupac, 646 00:33:59,060 --> 00:34:01,597 the son of a Black Panther. 647 00:34:01,629 --> 00:34:05,133 We're not being taught to deal with the world as it is. 648 00:34:05,166 --> 00:34:07,669 We're being taught to deal with this fairyland, 649 00:34:07,703 --> 00:34:10,006 which we're not even living in anymore. 650 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:12,708 Uh, and it's, it's sad. 651 00:34:12,741 --> 00:34:15,578 'Cause I'm telling you and it should not be me telling you. 652 00:34:15,610 --> 00:34:17,146 It should be common knowledge. 653 00:34:17,178 --> 00:34:20,649 Aren't they wondering why death rates are going up 654 00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:23,052 and suicide is going up an drug abu... 655 00:34:23,085 --> 00:34:24,086 aren't they wondering? 656 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,255 Don't they understand that more people are... 657 00:34:26,288 --> 00:34:28,991 I mean, more kids are being handed crack 658 00:34:29,023 --> 00:34:30,692 than they're being handed diplomas? 659 00:34:30,726 --> 00:34:33,796 I mean... shouldn't... I mean like, okay, 660 00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:36,832 in school we're learning to analyze and then... 661 00:34:36,864 --> 00:34:39,267 well, I learned it now, they should relearn it. 662 00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,837 I think adults should go through school again. 663 00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:44,139 You know, I think that... 664 00:34:44,172 --> 00:34:46,184 I think that rich people should live like poor people 665 00:34:46,208 --> 00:34:47,686 and poor people should live like rich people 666 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:50,646 and it should change every week. 667 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,848 It's prison that changed Tupac. 668 00:34:58,253 --> 00:35:00,189 Going to jail over all that stuff, 669 00:35:00,221 --> 00:35:03,158 it made him bitter, and they changed him, 670 00:35:03,192 --> 00:35:05,126 made him hateful. 671 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:06,962 He wasn't hateful before. 672 00:35:06,996 --> 00:35:10,900 But that made him very hateful and paranoid. 673 00:35:10,933 --> 00:35:13,235 Tupac blamed Biggie for not coming forward 674 00:35:13,268 --> 00:35:15,371 to help him at this time. 675 00:35:15,404 --> 00:35:16,806 Biggie knew the gangsters 676 00:35:16,838 --> 00:35:18,974 that had shot him at the Quad Studios 677 00:35:19,007 --> 00:35:21,309 and were behind the sexual abuse charges 678 00:35:21,342 --> 00:35:24,245 that landed Tupac in prison. 679 00:35:24,279 --> 00:35:26,748 I would say... 680 00:35:26,782 --> 00:35:29,117 Big had love for Pac. 681 00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:32,721 And it's not that he wanted to snake him, 682 00:35:32,755 --> 00:35:34,924 but self-preservation. 683 00:35:34,956 --> 00:35:36,267 You know, you don't wanna get entangled 684 00:35:36,291 --> 00:35:41,030 with people who can hurt you. 685 00:35:41,063 --> 00:35:42,632 You know, but at the same time, 686 00:35:42,665 --> 00:35:44,833 you know something's gonna happen to your friend. 687 00:35:44,866 --> 00:35:49,070 You try to warn him in a way that was covert 688 00:35:49,103 --> 00:35:51,773 but you didn't wanna just blatantly say, 689 00:35:51,806 --> 00:35:54,676 you know, "These guys, they stick up kids, 690 00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:56,646 they're extortionists. 691 00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,247 You know, they're gonna come for you." 692 00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:05,253 The whole time he was in jail, he was trying to figure out 693 00:36:05,286 --> 00:36:07,857 how he was gonna get revenge. 694 00:36:07,889 --> 00:36:11,126 He started to plot on how he was gonna get back at 695 00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:12,295 everybody who wronged him. 696 00:36:40,922 --> 00:36:44,026 I bet you that music hurt, hurt him a little bit inside. 697 00:36:46,027 --> 00:36:49,264 I don't have a fact, I don't have anything to back that up. 698 00:36:49,297 --> 00:36:53,735 But that ain't who he was. 699 00:36:53,768 --> 00:36:56,805 All Eyez On Me and um, 700 00:36:56,838 --> 00:37:00,208 the Killuminati Theory or whatever it was called... 701 00:37:00,241 --> 00:37:01,710 I forgot the name of the last album. 702 00:37:01,744 --> 00:37:04,346 I loved it, but, um, 703 00:37:04,378 --> 00:37:06,315 those albums weren't him. 704 00:37:06,348 --> 00:37:08,784 That ain't the seven... that 17-year-old 705 00:37:08,817 --> 00:37:11,020 would've never said any of that stuff. 706 00:37:11,052 --> 00:37:13,723 You know, I mean, he... back when he started, 707 00:37:13,755 --> 00:37:15,991 I mean, he was... he would never be like that, 708 00:37:16,023 --> 00:37:17,425 but we all changed. 709 00:37:17,458 --> 00:37:19,503 He got his edge, he knew what he had to sell records. 710 00:37:19,527 --> 00:37:22,831 He was like, "This is what I gotta do. 711 00:37:22,864 --> 00:37:25,166 I'll hold Suge three albums or four albums 712 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,469 or whatever many albums, I gotta do this 713 00:37:27,503 --> 00:37:29,305 and these albums gotta sell." 714 00:37:31,139 --> 00:37:34,076 When he first started, he was talking about Panther Power. 715 00:37:34,108 --> 00:37:36,145 Black issues, Black rights. 716 00:38:03,172 --> 00:38:08,077 When Tupac was around us, he was really nice. 717 00:38:08,110 --> 00:38:10,846 He was, he was another one that was a genius. 718 00:38:10,878 --> 00:38:15,351 Tupac was a reader but when he got around Suge, 719 00:38:15,384 --> 00:38:17,786 it was a whole different person. 720 00:38:19,922 --> 00:38:21,824 He kinda got gangster. 721 00:38:21,857 --> 00:38:25,895 You know, like, his personality changed 722 00:38:25,927 --> 00:38:29,130 I guess to just show Suge, you know, "I'm all that." 723 00:38:29,163 --> 00:38:30,498 You know? 724 00:38:30,532 --> 00:38:31,867 Come on, man! 725 00:38:55,858 --> 00:38:57,426 I remember he came up with the plot 726 00:38:57,458 --> 00:39:00,596 that he was going to sleep with Faith Evans 727 00:39:00,628 --> 00:39:03,364 in jail. 728 00:39:03,398 --> 00:39:06,068 You know, and at first when he told me it, I'm like... 729 00:39:08,469 --> 00:39:11,840 Then I was just like, you can't tell Pac nothing. 730 00:39:11,873 --> 00:39:14,275 Whatever he said he's gonna do, he's gonna do it. 731 00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:19,013 So, it's like, get on board with it, or get out the way. 732 00:39:19,047 --> 00:39:21,050 Yeah, he called me up and he's like, "Guess what?" 733 00:39:21,083 --> 00:39:23,117 He was like, "I did it," and I'm like, 734 00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:25,887 I'm like, "What, what did you do?" 735 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,290 And he was like, "Oh, I fucked Faith." 736 00:39:28,322 --> 00:39:30,300 He was like, "Not only did I fuck her," he was like, 737 00:39:30,324 --> 00:39:33,261 "but I got her to come in the studio and do a song with me." 738 00:39:33,295 --> 00:39:36,264 And I was like, "Really?" 739 00:39:36,297 --> 00:39:39,234 Today, however, through the lyrics of rappers 740 00:39:39,268 --> 00:39:41,237 who display no respect for women... 741 00:39:50,478 --> 00:39:54,616 It is obscene, it is obscene, it is obscene. 742 00:40:04,192 --> 00:40:06,896 And now we got the East Coast, West Coast shit. 743 00:40:06,929 --> 00:40:09,632 We got bad a motherfucker on the East Coast. 744 00:40:09,665 --> 00:40:11,900 Puffy, bad boy. 745 00:40:11,933 --> 00:40:13,434 We got Suge. 746 00:40:13,467 --> 00:40:15,303 And here we about to come into this. 747 00:40:15,337 --> 00:40:17,639 East Coast, West Coast nonsense, 748 00:40:17,672 --> 00:40:20,441 with two motherfucking casts of characters 749 00:40:20,474 --> 00:40:22,076 that the press loved. 750 00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:23,646 You remember that shit. 751 00:40:27,416 --> 00:40:29,451 It just took a life all on its own. 752 00:40:38,059 --> 00:40:38,960 Anyone who's out there, 753 00:40:38,994 --> 00:40:42,063 wanna be a artist and wanna stay a star, 754 00:40:42,096 --> 00:40:43,173 don't wanna... they won't have to worry about 755 00:40:43,197 --> 00:40:47,402 the executive producer trying to be all in the videos, 756 00:40:47,436 --> 00:40:50,372 all on the records, dancing. 757 00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:51,940 Come to Death Row. 758 00:40:55,009 --> 00:40:57,212 If he'd have stood the course on saying, you know, 759 00:40:57,244 --> 00:41:00,382 "You don't want the person being all in your videos," 760 00:41:00,415 --> 00:41:01,626 and did a... if he'd have stood on that 761 00:41:01,650 --> 00:41:06,355 and not try to get in videos and put his ass on magazines... 762 00:41:06,387 --> 00:41:09,023 He tried to become the star. 763 00:41:09,056 --> 00:41:10,959 Going towards the end, he was on all magazines 764 00:41:10,992 --> 00:41:12,594 with cigars in his mouth. 765 00:41:12,626 --> 00:41:16,065 He forgot what he said, 766 00:41:16,098 --> 00:41:18,433 and that's what brought him down. 767 00:41:18,467 --> 00:41:20,569 You gotta take care of the artist. 768 00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:26,074 Biggie Smalls took Puffy's side on the East Coast. 769 00:41:26,108 --> 00:41:28,143 So y'all, Brooklyn in the house. 770 00:41:28,175 --> 00:41:29,744 Representing! 771 00:41:29,777 --> 00:41:33,181 Snoop, Tupac, and Dr. Dre supported Suge Knight 772 00:41:33,215 --> 00:41:35,550 on the West Coast at Death Row Records. 773 00:41:35,583 --> 00:41:37,618 The East Coast ain't got no love for Dr. Dre 774 00:41:37,652 --> 00:41:40,422 and Snoop Dog and Death Row? 775 00:41:40,454 --> 00:41:42,590 Y'all don't love us? 776 00:41:42,623 --> 00:41:45,159 Y'all don't love us? 777 00:41:45,192 --> 00:41:46,060 Well, let it be known then... 778 00:41:46,094 --> 00:41:47,628 Suge definitely couldn't back down. 779 00:41:47,661 --> 00:41:51,000 Suge had more to lose if he showed a sign of weakness 780 00:41:51,032 --> 00:41:54,369 because of these guys he had. 781 00:41:56,505 --> 00:41:58,674 If you turn in... if you a gorilla 782 00:41:58,706 --> 00:42:01,275 and turn into a monkey, you got a problem. 783 00:42:01,308 --> 00:42:04,078 You don't belong in this crowd. 784 00:42:04,112 --> 00:42:07,782 If you a motherfucking pit bull and turn into a poodle, 785 00:42:07,815 --> 00:42:09,317 you don't belong in this crowd. 786 00:42:09,351 --> 00:42:11,020 They gonna eat your ass up. 787 00:42:11,052 --> 00:42:13,422 So, he had to keep it up there. 788 00:42:13,454 --> 00:42:14,564 He had to keep his chest up. 789 00:42:14,588 --> 00:42:17,759 He had to... he had to be Suge Knight. 790 00:42:17,793 --> 00:42:20,362 And he did that well. 791 00:42:20,395 --> 00:42:22,563 Tupac and Biggie shit just threw 792 00:42:22,596 --> 00:42:26,768 a motherfucking atomic bomb on the gasoline, 793 00:42:26,802 --> 00:42:29,438 and it just exploded. 794 00:42:29,471 --> 00:42:31,706 Boom, and people was taking sides 795 00:42:31,739 --> 00:42:35,076 and you have now magazines like... 796 00:42:35,110 --> 00:42:38,814 whole messy ass vibe and a lot of them magazines, 797 00:42:38,846 --> 00:42:41,082 you know, East Coast, West Coast, 798 00:42:41,116 --> 00:42:42,483 this, that, whoo. 799 00:42:42,516 --> 00:42:47,255 East Coast, West Coast, that, dot, aah, wham, bam. 800 00:42:47,288 --> 00:42:49,190 All that nonsense. 801 00:42:50,458 --> 00:42:54,163 Tupac got swallowed up by Death Row. 802 00:42:54,195 --> 00:42:57,599 He got swallowed up by his surroundings. 803 00:43:35,536 --> 00:43:37,605 Tupac was already crazy. 804 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:38,707 It just, it just, 805 00:43:38,739 --> 00:43:41,275 it just turned him up another notch. 806 00:43:41,308 --> 00:43:43,478 You know, 'cause, it was already going down over... 807 00:43:43,512 --> 00:43:46,381 he came to a company where it was already going down. 808 00:43:46,413 --> 00:43:48,583 So, when he came over, he looked like, 809 00:43:48,616 --> 00:43:51,119 "Wow, yeah, I'm finna turn the fuck up." 810 00:43:51,152 --> 00:43:53,121 He said, "I got these fools with me? 811 00:43:53,154 --> 00:43:54,288 They finna ride? 812 00:43:54,322 --> 00:43:56,258 Oh yeah, we going to go... 813 00:43:56,291 --> 00:43:58,460 everything to get in my way, I'ma knock it down. 814 00:43:58,492 --> 00:43:59,695 I'm going crazy." 815 00:43:59,728 --> 00:44:01,363 'Cause he was already amped up. 816 00:44:01,395 --> 00:44:02,296 You know what I'm saying? 817 00:44:02,331 --> 00:44:05,634 So, he landed right where he wanted to land. 818 00:44:05,666 --> 00:44:08,904 And he already had a attitude because they didn't go get him... 819 00:44:08,936 --> 00:44:10,771 other people didn't go get him out, 820 00:44:10,804 --> 00:44:12,373 you know, when he caught the case. 821 00:44:12,407 --> 00:44:14,510 Suge Knight went and got him out. 822 00:44:14,543 --> 00:44:18,579 So, when he came out, you know, people gonna be fully loyal. 823 00:44:18,612 --> 00:44:20,691 All right, still hanging out at the after party and, uh, 824 00:44:20,715 --> 00:44:24,253 with me, uh, from uh Death Row, introduce yourself, my man. 825 00:44:24,286 --> 00:44:26,922 Hey there, I'm Suge Knight and... 826 00:44:26,954 --> 00:44:28,590 Tupac Shakur. 827 00:44:28,623 --> 00:44:30,291 - Do you believe in God? - Certainly. 828 00:44:30,324 --> 00:44:32,160 Believe in Death Row East. 829 00:44:32,194 --> 00:44:33,938 - Believe in that, for real. - You my homeboy say, 830 00:44:33,962 --> 00:44:35,505 - I'ma ride with you to... - That's it right there. 831 00:44:35,529 --> 00:44:37,598 When you believe in God, believe in Death Row East. 832 00:44:37,632 --> 00:44:40,434 I think Pac really appreciated that Suge 833 00:44:40,467 --> 00:44:42,236 was looking out for him the way that he was, 834 00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:44,172 'cause nobody else did it. 835 00:44:44,206 --> 00:44:46,808 Eating, traveling, girls. 836 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,810 Whatever they did, they did it together. 837 00:44:49,844 --> 00:44:51,380 To me it was just an incredible life, 838 00:44:51,413 --> 00:44:52,590 I mean, you know, it was Death Row. 839 00:44:52,614 --> 00:44:55,184 We were the Motown of the '90s. 840 00:44:55,217 --> 00:44:58,353 The Motown of the '90s, we had the hottest rappers. 841 00:44:58,386 --> 00:45:01,255 Suge was like the mayor of LA. 842 00:45:01,288 --> 00:45:03,524 I mean, you know, and if he said it, it went. 843 00:45:03,558 --> 00:45:06,561 I mean, we shopped in the malls, three o'clock in the morning. 844 00:45:06,594 --> 00:45:08,829 Three AM in the morning, four o'clock in the morning. 845 00:45:08,862 --> 00:45:10,831 You know, four, five stores is staying open 846 00:45:10,864 --> 00:45:12,767 because Suge Knight called them early in the day 847 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,204 and made an appointment for them to be open at three AM. 848 00:45:16,237 --> 00:45:17,514 And we just go into this Footlocker 849 00:45:17,538 --> 00:45:19,741 and get as many shoes and clothes that we want 850 00:45:19,773 --> 00:45:22,243 or, you know, going some of the boutiques 851 00:45:22,277 --> 00:45:23,779 and shop at three in the morning. 852 00:45:23,811 --> 00:45:25,746 Those fringe benefits were incredible. 853 00:45:25,779 --> 00:45:29,217 To be 15 years old, coming from where I come from 854 00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:31,619 and, you know, eating in the finest places, 855 00:45:31,652 --> 00:45:34,589 always flying on airplanes and private jets 856 00:45:34,623 --> 00:45:36,657 and on his yachts and things like that. 857 00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:37,690 That was incredible. 858 00:45:41,663 --> 00:45:44,299 That's what Death Row was about. 859 00:45:44,331 --> 00:45:46,400 We caught things on records that nobody else... 860 00:45:46,433 --> 00:45:48,302 you hear them footsteps in records. 861 00:45:48,335 --> 00:45:49,804 And those doors slamming, boom, 862 00:45:49,837 --> 00:45:52,307 "Welcome to Death Row," that was organic. 863 00:46:16,864 --> 00:46:18,599 That's why he's the daddy of rappers 864 00:46:18,632 --> 00:46:21,236 because those things were organic. 865 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,783 He's living the life. 866 00:46:35,817 --> 00:46:37,853 The money's there. 867 00:46:37,886 --> 00:46:40,855 They've got the girls around. 868 00:46:40,889 --> 00:46:44,526 They're living the video life. 869 00:46:44,558 --> 00:46:45,493 Whatever it is. 870 00:46:45,527 --> 00:46:48,362 It's, um, cool location. 871 00:46:48,395 --> 00:46:50,865 They've got the cars, they got the big houses. 872 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,835 Pam had introduced me to some of the girls 873 00:46:54,869 --> 00:46:56,872 who dated Suge and Tupac. 874 00:46:56,904 --> 00:47:00,474 And I wondered if she recognizes any of them from these pictures. 875 00:47:02,009 --> 00:47:03,009 Let me see. 876 00:47:08,083 --> 00:47:10,552 I seen her somewhere before though. 877 00:47:10,585 --> 00:47:13,021 I don't know where I seen her at, 878 00:47:13,054 --> 00:47:17,092 but she looks so familiar. 879 00:47:17,125 --> 00:47:20,395 They look like they're very young. 880 00:47:20,427 --> 00:47:21,596 Looking for love. 881 00:47:21,628 --> 00:47:23,474 When you're looking for love and looking for somebody 882 00:47:23,498 --> 00:47:26,501 to care about you, this is what happens. 883 00:47:26,534 --> 00:47:29,471 - Looking for love? - Looking for love. 884 00:47:29,503 --> 00:47:31,473 Looking for love. 885 00:47:31,505 --> 00:47:35,109 You only do demoralizing shit and, um... 886 00:47:35,143 --> 00:47:37,079 You only let a motherfucker treat you like this 887 00:47:37,112 --> 00:47:39,047 if you don't have nothing. 888 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:40,614 You know what I'm saying? 889 00:47:40,648 --> 00:47:43,352 And they bait you in. 890 00:47:43,384 --> 00:47:46,053 And Tupac, but he just was a follower. 891 00:47:46,087 --> 00:47:47,789 Suge Knight had his head blew up, 892 00:47:47,822 --> 00:47:50,992 had his head so blue to where he lost his life. 893 00:47:51,025 --> 00:47:53,695 He's at the prime of his life, 894 00:47:53,728 --> 00:47:56,932 but he's being directed by a fucking asshole. 895 00:47:56,965 --> 00:47:59,468 And a deal, he don't even see it coming, 896 00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:03,371 but he's so low, and he's looking for love, too. 897 00:48:03,404 --> 00:48:05,483 This is the one I seen before. 898 00:48:05,507 --> 00:48:06,708 Hi, mom! 899 00:48:06,741 --> 00:48:08,476 Goddamn. 900 00:48:08,509 --> 00:48:11,812 - Hey! - Hi, mom. 901 00:48:11,846 --> 00:48:15,449 - Hi, Nick. - Hi, Symphony. 902 00:48:15,483 --> 00:48:16,718 Hey! 903 00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:17,827 I gotta go get the computer. 904 00:48:17,851 --> 00:48:20,554 Go say hi to my Auntie Anne. 905 00:48:20,587 --> 00:48:21,922 Backpack for you. 906 00:48:21,956 --> 00:48:23,925 Say hi to Nick and them. 907 00:48:23,958 --> 00:48:25,694 Remember Nick and Barney? 908 00:48:25,726 --> 00:48:27,695 - Hi! - My Auntie Anne. 909 00:48:34,501 --> 00:48:36,771 Tupac was so influenced by Suge, 910 00:48:36,804 --> 00:48:40,074 that he joined the Mob Pirus, Suge's Compton gang, 911 00:48:40,108 --> 00:48:42,544 also known as the Bloods. 912 00:48:42,576 --> 00:48:44,745 He would become so gang obsessed 913 00:48:44,779 --> 00:48:47,482 that he would ultimately lose his life to it. 914 00:48:47,514 --> 00:48:50,585 I remember the first night when he turned MOB. 915 00:48:50,617 --> 00:48:52,853 We was on one side of the studio 916 00:48:52,887 --> 00:48:56,925 and one of my little homeboys, Tycas, rest in peace, 917 00:48:56,958 --> 00:48:58,601 he went around there and looked in the studio 918 00:48:58,625 --> 00:49:00,561 where Dre and Pac and all of them was at. 919 00:49:00,594 --> 00:49:03,063 And he ran back around there to us and said, he said, 920 00:49:03,096 --> 00:49:05,099 "Cuz," I said, "What's happening?" 921 00:49:05,132 --> 00:49:09,437 He said, "Man, Pac over there in all red." 922 00:49:09,471 --> 00:49:11,540 We went over there and looked. 923 00:49:11,572 --> 00:49:13,040 I said, "Well, they got him." 924 00:49:13,074 --> 00:49:15,777 And we went back over there to our side. 925 00:49:15,809 --> 00:49:18,112 That night we went over there and looked and went in there 926 00:49:18,145 --> 00:49:21,649 and seen him in all that red, that night he turned MOB. 927 00:49:23,717 --> 00:49:26,187 Before that he was hanging with us all the time, 928 00:49:26,221 --> 00:49:29,590 on the Crips side. 929 00:49:29,623 --> 00:49:33,093 He was a very kindhearted person 930 00:49:33,126 --> 00:49:36,096 who got lost in the image of being tough. 931 00:49:36,130 --> 00:49:37,866 He just wasn't a fighter. 932 00:49:37,898 --> 00:49:39,534 He was definitely a lover, not a fighter. 933 00:49:39,567 --> 00:49:40,702 We used to laugh about it. 934 00:49:43,570 --> 00:49:45,507 But he had suffered 935 00:49:45,540 --> 00:49:47,476 some brutal beat downs out here. 936 00:49:47,509 --> 00:49:49,110 He wanted to be tougher. 937 00:49:49,143 --> 00:49:50,878 After he did Juice, he started acting like 938 00:49:50,911 --> 00:49:52,713 he was the character in Juice. 939 00:49:52,746 --> 00:49:55,250 His persona changed. 940 00:49:55,282 --> 00:49:58,085 And he... you know, a lot of my childhood friends 941 00:49:58,119 --> 00:49:59,521 from Marin 'cause I introduced him 942 00:49:59,554 --> 00:50:01,556 to most of my friends and family. 943 00:50:01,588 --> 00:50:04,492 They said he started acting like he was Bishop. 944 00:50:04,525 --> 00:50:06,627 I ain't gots to do nothing. 945 00:50:06,661 --> 00:50:08,663 You the past, bro. 946 00:50:08,695 --> 00:50:11,900 My time is now. 947 00:50:11,933 --> 00:50:12,934 Ready to die, n♪♪♪♪? 948 00:50:14,701 --> 00:50:17,738 When they expected him to be this thug, this gangster, 949 00:50:17,771 --> 00:50:20,808 which he wasn't, it got him killed. 950 00:50:20,842 --> 00:50:24,546 It's a hard thing to be a gun toting person 951 00:50:24,579 --> 00:50:26,615 with all that malice in your heart. 952 00:50:26,648 --> 00:50:29,284 It's a burden. 953 00:50:29,317 --> 00:50:31,219 Tupac Shakur. 954 00:50:31,251 --> 00:50:33,922 You know, when I, when I first met Tupac, 955 00:50:33,954 --> 00:50:37,625 Suge brought him to the hood when he came home. 956 00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:39,561 Tupac was real cool. 957 00:50:39,594 --> 00:50:41,096 He was real cool. 958 00:50:41,128 --> 00:50:45,599 And, the next time you see him, 959 00:50:45,632 --> 00:50:49,203 he owned the thug shit like Suge. 960 00:50:49,237 --> 00:50:52,040 He know he can't be touched at this time. 961 00:50:52,072 --> 00:50:55,576 I got 10, 11 motherfuckers who gonna be around me 962 00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:57,245 all day, every day. 963 00:50:57,277 --> 00:50:59,880 And they ready to kill a motherfucker for me. 964 00:50:59,913 --> 00:51:03,918 So, right here, telling me, I can do what I wanna do. 965 00:51:03,951 --> 00:51:06,253 I can cuss out any motherfucker I wanna cuss out. 966 00:51:06,286 --> 00:51:08,756 I can spit on whoever I wanna spit on. 967 00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:10,891 And ain't nothing gonna happen. 968 00:51:10,925 --> 00:51:14,129 There's no such word of repercussion here. 969 00:51:14,161 --> 00:51:17,933 When he put the Mob on him, I definitely didn't like that. 970 00:51:17,965 --> 00:51:21,001 Because me and my brother 971 00:51:21,034 --> 00:51:25,172 used to have the biggest arguments in the world. 972 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,248 Buntry, Mob James' brother, 973 00:51:34,282 --> 00:51:36,251 seen here in hat and red, 974 00:51:36,284 --> 00:51:39,054 became Suge and Tupac's number one man, 975 00:51:39,087 --> 00:51:41,222 which caused problems between the brothers. 976 00:51:41,255 --> 00:51:42,958 My brother and them can say... 977 00:51:42,991 --> 00:51:44,893 N♪♪♪♪ can claim the Mob if you want to. 978 00:51:44,925 --> 00:51:46,761 No, you can't. 979 00:51:46,793 --> 00:51:50,030 You ain't did no drive-by shoots, you ain't did no... 980 00:51:50,063 --> 00:51:52,199 you ain't beat no motherfucking body up. 981 00:51:52,233 --> 00:51:54,636 You ain't, you ain't did shit. 982 00:51:54,668 --> 00:51:57,806 What it it takes to be what we are. 983 00:51:57,838 --> 00:52:00,842 So, that's just like me just... 984 00:52:00,875 --> 00:52:03,078 Tupac the homie 'cause Tupac got money. 985 00:52:03,110 --> 00:52:04,011 No, fuck that. 986 00:52:04,045 --> 00:52:08,882 This means a lot more to me than Tupac. 987 00:52:08,916 --> 00:52:11,920 You going over there and be Death Row Mob. 988 00:52:11,953 --> 00:52:14,655 But not this, not from here. 989 00:52:14,688 --> 00:52:16,824 You ain't from Compton. 990 00:52:16,858 --> 00:52:18,226 I'd let my sister sing that song 991 00:52:18,259 --> 00:52:20,628 but she just ain't that good, so... 992 00:52:23,331 --> 00:52:28,069 Anyway, I want everybody give a big welcome for... 993 00:52:28,101 --> 00:52:29,170 Tupac. 994 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,376 They were like brothers. 995 00:52:35,409 --> 00:52:38,413 Tupac is, is like a little brother to him. 996 00:52:38,445 --> 00:52:40,014 They had keys to each other's house. 997 00:52:40,047 --> 00:52:42,282 They think with one brain. 998 00:52:42,315 --> 00:52:45,386 Tupac never had a foundation. 999 00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:49,124 Never had a foundation, he never had like that family... 1000 00:52:49,157 --> 00:52:50,859 you know like, that stability. 1001 00:52:50,891 --> 00:52:52,326 Uncle Suge did. 1002 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,864 So I think that's why they kind of fed off each other. 1003 00:52:55,896 --> 00:52:59,099 Um, Uncle Suge was thinking more so of 1004 00:52:59,132 --> 00:53:01,035 just getting money, and making money 1005 00:53:01,069 --> 00:53:02,771 and uh, you know, supporting the... 1006 00:53:02,804 --> 00:53:04,806 you know, I guess Black people as a whole. 1007 00:53:04,838 --> 00:53:07,808 And Tupac was more so, "No, think bigger, think bigger. 1008 00:53:07,842 --> 00:53:09,110 We can go international. 1009 00:53:09,143 --> 00:53:11,179 We can do this, we can, we can do that." 1010 00:53:11,212 --> 00:53:16,184 Hence the Death Row East and et cetera, et cetera. 1011 00:53:16,217 --> 00:53:19,753 I mean, he was like, "I want our faces printed on money. 1012 00:53:19,786 --> 00:53:20,754 I want, I want something bigger, 1013 00:53:20,788 --> 00:53:22,690 let's think bigger, let's think bigger." 1014 00:53:22,724 --> 00:53:24,693 And Tupac more was on the bigger side. 1015 00:53:24,726 --> 00:53:26,003 Let's think bigger, and Uncle Suge was like, 1016 00:53:26,027 --> 00:53:28,063 "Huh, okay." 1017 00:53:30,898 --> 00:53:33,867 That's Tupac and Uncle Suge and they share everything. 1018 00:53:35,936 --> 00:53:38,706 Yes, they shared everything. 1019 00:53:43,844 --> 00:53:48,049 Things were totally out of control. 1020 00:53:48,081 --> 00:53:51,920 And it's very sad. 1021 00:53:51,953 --> 00:53:55,790 I always had that dark sense and, um, 1022 00:53:55,822 --> 00:53:57,357 I always seemed to be the one 1023 00:53:57,391 --> 00:54:00,395 to uh, kill the joy. 1024 00:54:03,029 --> 00:54:06,467 Everybody wanted to be happy 1025 00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,902 and high and drinking, 1026 00:54:08,936 --> 00:54:11,338 and I felt like they smoked too much weed. 1027 00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:16,243 You know, the whole atmosphere 1028 00:54:16,277 --> 00:54:21,282 was one of total disconnect to reality. 1029 00:54:21,315 --> 00:54:25,019 But it was way beyond 1030 00:54:25,052 --> 00:54:28,757 what he needed to deal with the realities 1031 00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:31,826 of his life at that time. 1032 00:54:31,858 --> 00:54:33,962 He had too much going on that required 1033 00:54:33,994 --> 00:54:36,764 a lot of logical, level-headed thinking, 1034 00:54:36,797 --> 00:54:39,333 and he wasn't getting that. 1035 00:54:39,366 --> 00:54:41,435 I was trying to give it to him, 1036 00:54:41,469 --> 00:54:45,106 but he wasn't listening to me. 1037 00:54:45,139 --> 00:54:47,876 I didn't know who to trust, 1038 00:54:47,909 --> 00:54:51,279 and I didn't trust Death Row. 1039 00:54:51,311 --> 00:54:54,549 They have a "get rich or die ethos," the West Coast. 1040 00:54:54,581 --> 00:54:58,051 Doesn't matter what you do as long as you makin' money. 1041 00:54:58,085 --> 00:55:00,320 Death Row made millions, yeah. 1042 00:55:00,353 --> 00:55:04,224 But Tupac didn't see that money. 1043 00:55:04,257 --> 00:55:07,261 First thing I noticed was that David Kenner, 1044 00:55:07,295 --> 00:55:11,532 who was the lawyer for Death Row Records. 1045 00:55:13,433 --> 00:55:16,870 And I said to him, "Tupac, that's a contradiction. 1046 00:55:16,904 --> 00:55:19,407 You need your own lawyer." 1047 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,943 Tupac did not fire David Kenner 1048 00:55:21,976 --> 00:55:24,244 until, I believe, August. 1049 00:55:24,277 --> 00:55:26,547 So we went all those months 1050 00:55:26,581 --> 00:55:30,117 with his business up in the air, 1051 00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:32,520 no accountability about his money, 1052 00:55:32,552 --> 00:55:34,888 no accountability about what was being spent, 1053 00:55:34,922 --> 00:55:36,925 what was being recouped. 1054 00:55:36,958 --> 00:55:38,860 So that's why we were always asking, 1055 00:55:38,893 --> 00:55:42,864 "Well, what is... how much money does he actually have?" 1056 00:55:42,896 --> 00:55:45,833 Well, every time we would ask for the audit, 1057 00:55:45,866 --> 00:55:49,369 there'd be a new gift. 1058 00:55:49,402 --> 00:55:52,873 There'd be a new car. 1059 00:55:52,907 --> 00:55:56,344 There'd be a gift to the family. 1060 00:55:56,376 --> 00:55:59,913 And these cars weren't even in his name. 1061 00:55:59,947 --> 00:56:01,516 When Tupac passed away, 1062 00:56:01,549 --> 00:56:03,418 that's the first thing Death Row did was come 1063 00:56:03,451 --> 00:56:06,286 and take the cars back. 1064 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,356 He didn't want to hear me telling him that, 1065 00:56:08,389 --> 00:56:10,592 "Tupac, they're sending over roses. 1066 00:56:10,625 --> 00:56:12,460 They're sending over cars. 1067 00:56:12,492 --> 00:56:14,295 They're sending over gifts." 1068 00:56:14,328 --> 00:56:17,264 I said, "Don't you think there's somethin' wrong with that?" 1069 00:56:17,297 --> 00:56:21,301 And he would go all the way live off on me and say, 1070 00:56:21,335 --> 00:56:26,107 and basically say, "I know it's a problem, okay? 1071 00:56:26,139 --> 00:56:28,643 But I know what I'm doing, yes." 1072 00:56:28,675 --> 00:56:30,311 And it caused conflict. 1073 00:56:30,344 --> 00:56:34,449 It caused conflict with... between me and him. 1074 00:56:34,482 --> 00:56:38,418 It was a living nightmare. 1075 00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:57,005 Everybody just got too comfortable 1076 00:56:57,038 --> 00:56:58,473 and it went the way it went 1077 00:56:58,505 --> 00:57:03,344 because nobody was in Tupac's ear, "No, homie. 1078 00:57:03,376 --> 00:57:05,545 You... we gotta protect you. 1079 00:57:05,579 --> 00:57:07,615 We gotta be like this." 1080 00:57:13,219 --> 00:57:15,122 They say he just put the icing on the cake 1081 00:57:15,155 --> 00:57:17,025 because now there's more fun, 1082 00:57:17,058 --> 00:57:21,161 now there's more Tupac tryin' be like, you know, 1083 00:57:21,195 --> 00:57:24,265 like the security opposed to being a rapper, 1084 00:57:24,297 --> 00:57:26,300 and he's not on the Snoop Dogg tip, 1085 00:57:26,333 --> 00:57:28,402 he's on the homies tip. 1086 00:57:28,436 --> 00:57:31,973 And now there's drinking and getting high all day 1087 00:57:32,005 --> 00:57:34,675 and wanting to beat up somebody. 1088 00:57:34,708 --> 00:57:36,610 You know, just the whole mentality. 1089 00:57:36,643 --> 00:57:38,679 Every... they just changed. 1090 00:57:43,050 --> 00:57:47,021 I stopped Tupac from fighting many times. 1091 00:57:47,054 --> 00:57:51,425 Tupac was a disturbed soul when it came to gangbanging 1092 00:57:51,458 --> 00:57:53,962 and fighting and stuff like that. 1093 00:57:53,994 --> 00:57:55,063 He loved to fight. 1094 00:57:55,096 --> 00:57:57,298 - He loved to fight? - Oh, he loved to fight, yeah. 1095 00:57:57,331 --> 00:57:59,666 He loved getting into altercations. 1096 00:57:59,699 --> 00:58:01,735 - Did he? - Oh, yeah, absolutely. 1097 00:58:01,768 --> 00:58:03,971 Absolutely. 1098 00:58:04,005 --> 00:58:05,540 The night of the fatal shooting, 1099 00:58:05,572 --> 00:58:08,009 Tupac, to prove his gang loyalty, 1100 00:58:08,041 --> 00:58:11,078 took on a Crip gunman called Orlando Anderson. 1101 00:58:17,550 --> 00:58:19,487 Orlando, a Crip gang member, 1102 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,155 was a long-term enemy of the Bloods, 1103 00:58:22,188 --> 00:58:25,659 but it would turn out to be a fatal mistake for Tupac. 1104 00:58:25,692 --> 00:58:27,761 Suge, himself, took part in the fight, 1105 00:58:27,795 --> 00:58:29,697 for which he would be sent to prison. 1106 00:58:36,036 --> 00:58:38,772 Orlando boasted that he had shot Tupac. 1107 00:58:38,806 --> 00:58:42,443 Frank, Tupac's bodyguard, was in the car behind. 1108 00:58:42,476 --> 00:58:45,512 The gun just starts firing. 1109 00:58:45,545 --> 00:58:47,523 He's obviously aware that bullets are coming through 1110 00:58:47,547 --> 00:58:50,183 the car and he's being shot at. 1111 00:58:50,217 --> 00:58:54,655 And as he fires, he hits Tupac a couple of times 1112 00:58:54,688 --> 00:58:57,291 and bullets are bouncing, going all through the car. 1113 00:59:00,828 --> 00:59:02,329 As I'm running up to the car thinking, 1114 00:59:02,362 --> 00:59:04,498 "Oh my God, they're dead." 1115 00:59:04,532 --> 00:59:06,501 Suge's laying down on the ground. 1116 00:59:14,808 --> 00:59:19,813 Tupac is still in the passenger side. 1117 00:59:19,846 --> 00:59:22,182 At that point, we pulled Tupac out 1118 00:59:22,215 --> 00:59:25,286 and, um, we laid him down on the ground 1119 00:59:25,319 --> 00:59:27,654 and that when the, uh, paramedics were taking over 1120 00:59:27,688 --> 00:59:28,756 at that point right there. 1121 00:59:28,788 --> 00:59:31,158 Did Tupac say anything at that point? 1122 00:59:31,192 --> 00:59:33,761 He just... he moved his arms from his side 1123 00:59:33,793 --> 00:59:38,098 and he crossed 'em over his body, as such, 1124 00:59:38,132 --> 00:59:41,101 and said, "I can't breathe." 1125 00:59:41,134 --> 00:59:43,170 And that was the last thing I ever heard him say. 1126 00:59:58,418 --> 01:00:00,754 So, we were there the six days that... 1127 01:00:00,788 --> 01:00:02,623 six, seven days that Pac was living. 1128 01:00:02,655 --> 01:00:06,828 We would go in the room and, um, you know, pray. 1129 01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:08,563 You know, pray for him to get better, 1130 01:00:08,596 --> 01:00:09,764 and yeah, I sang for him. 1131 01:00:09,797 --> 01:00:10,874 I always sang for him, though. 1132 01:00:10,898 --> 01:00:15,536 I always sang for him, but being able to sing for him, 1133 01:00:15,569 --> 01:00:18,639 in the hospital while he was laying how he was 1134 01:00:18,672 --> 01:00:20,641 was something. 1135 01:00:20,674 --> 01:00:21,474 I sang Change is Gonna Come, 1136 01:00:21,507 --> 01:00:23,578 that was one of his favorite songs 1137 01:00:23,610 --> 01:00:26,379 that he liked me to do. 1138 01:00:26,413 --> 01:00:28,382 What, remind me of that song? 1139 01:00:28,415 --> 01:00:30,351 So that's by Sam Cooke. 1140 01:00:30,384 --> 01:00:32,420 Wanna hear it? 1141 01:01:19,567 --> 01:01:22,402 Greg Kading, in his book, Murder Rap, 1142 01:01:22,436 --> 01:01:24,539 alleges the shooting of Tupac 1143 01:01:24,572 --> 01:01:28,409 coincided with Keefe D, Orlando Anderson's uncle, 1144 01:01:28,442 --> 01:01:30,645 and the Crips being offered a million dollars 1145 01:01:30,677 --> 01:01:33,346 by Puffy for protection. 1146 01:01:33,380 --> 01:01:35,550 He claims that Puffy was saying, 1147 01:01:35,583 --> 01:01:38,319 "Listen, I need you to do something about this conflict 1148 01:01:38,351 --> 01:01:41,489 I'm having with Suge Knight and Tupac, 1149 01:01:41,521 --> 01:01:44,625 and you know, just I'm tired of having to look 1150 01:01:44,657 --> 01:01:46,694 over my shoulders," essentially. 1151 01:01:46,726 --> 01:01:47,828 "Can you handle it?" 1152 01:01:47,862 --> 01:01:51,299 And, of course, Keefe D said, "That's no problem. 1153 01:01:51,331 --> 01:01:53,366 You know, that's what we do." 1154 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,904 And, Keefe D said, "We wanted a million dollars." 1155 01:01:56,936 --> 01:01:59,440 And Puffy, essentially, is like, "Just, whatever. 1156 01:01:59,473 --> 01:02:01,509 Just handle it." 1157 01:02:01,541 --> 01:02:04,679 It was this war the Suge Knight had with Puffy Combs 1158 01:02:04,712 --> 01:02:07,614 that cost so many lives. 1159 01:02:07,648 --> 01:02:09,650 After Orlando shot Tupac, 1160 01:02:09,683 --> 01:02:12,219 he went back to Compton bragging about it. 1161 01:02:12,253 --> 01:02:13,287 You know what I'm saying? 1162 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,289 So we know who killed Tupac. 1163 01:02:15,322 --> 01:02:16,624 For sure, for sure. 1164 01:02:18,826 --> 01:02:21,628 And it was just a sad thing. 1165 01:02:21,661 --> 01:02:22,996 You know what I'm sayin'? 1166 01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:27,334 That these two guys brung gangs into, 1167 01:02:27,367 --> 01:02:29,837 you know, the Hollywood world, 1168 01:02:29,869 --> 01:02:31,538 the music industry. 1169 01:02:31,572 --> 01:02:32,506 You know what I'm sayin'? 1170 01:02:32,538 --> 01:02:36,243 So it destroyed everything. 1171 01:02:44,451 --> 01:02:47,655 After Tupac's death, a major gang war breaks out 1172 01:02:47,688 --> 01:02:51,259 between the Bloods and the Crips. 1173 01:03:15,482 --> 01:03:18,552 Orlando Anderson is arrested in the police raids, 1174 01:03:18,585 --> 01:03:21,789 but he's never charged because of insufficient evidence. 1175 01:03:26,492 --> 01:03:28,996 Tupac didn't know what he was getting into. 1176 01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:30,630 He didn't know that the Crips and Bloods 1177 01:03:30,663 --> 01:03:33,500 been killin' each other since the '70s. 1178 01:03:33,534 --> 01:03:35,469 And he was a shooter too. 1179 01:03:35,501 --> 01:03:37,570 See that's, see that's the thing. 1180 01:03:37,603 --> 01:03:40,040 When you out here, you don't know who you messin' with. 1181 01:03:40,074 --> 01:03:43,444 If you messin' with a shooter, 1182 01:03:43,476 --> 01:03:45,512 you gonna get shot. 1183 01:03:45,545 --> 01:03:47,380 If you messin' with some fighters, 1184 01:03:47,413 --> 01:03:51,618 y'all might get down, but it's gonna happen. 1185 01:03:51,652 --> 01:03:53,020 That's the thing about it. 1186 01:03:53,052 --> 01:03:57,023 He's gonna come back and that's how Orlando was. 1187 01:03:57,056 --> 01:03:59,092 He wasn't going for that. 1188 01:03:59,125 --> 01:04:01,361 Yeah, we had to wear bulletproof vests, 1189 01:04:01,395 --> 01:04:02,862 especially going toward the end. 1190 01:04:02,895 --> 01:04:06,599 I had to have security sleep in my room, in my hotel. 1191 01:04:06,632 --> 01:04:08,069 I had to stay in a hotel for a while 1192 01:04:08,101 --> 01:04:11,605 and security slept in my room 1193 01:04:11,637 --> 01:04:13,440 and I couldn't move without 'em. 1194 01:04:13,474 --> 01:04:14,475 Why was that? 1195 01:04:14,509 --> 01:04:17,011 I mean, all the death threats that was coming. 1196 01:04:17,043 --> 01:04:19,413 A lot of people lost their lives when Pac died. 1197 01:04:19,445 --> 01:04:20,480 Pac died, but it was... 1198 01:04:20,514 --> 01:04:23,084 there was a lot of people that lost their lives. 1199 01:04:24,817 --> 01:04:27,520 It appears to be possibly a shooting. 1200 01:04:27,554 --> 01:04:28,956 Eighteen months later, 1201 01:04:28,989 --> 01:04:31,891 Orlando Anderson himself is gunned down 1202 01:04:31,925 --> 01:04:34,362 and killed at this carwash in Compton. 1203 01:04:34,395 --> 01:04:35,762 According to sheriff's deputies, 1204 01:04:35,795 --> 01:04:38,631 one person was struck by gunfire in Compton. 1205 01:04:38,665 --> 01:04:40,800 Right now we have one down outside the car, 1206 01:04:40,833 --> 01:04:42,536 one down inside the car. 1207 01:04:42,569 --> 01:04:45,639 Not surprisingly, nobody in the community trusts the police, 1208 01:04:45,672 --> 01:04:48,876 who are feared and despised. 1209 01:04:48,909 --> 01:04:51,579 Not snitching to the police is so basic 1210 01:04:51,612 --> 01:04:54,849 that even though he knew the identity of Tupac's gunman, 1211 01:04:54,882 --> 01:04:56,951 Suge refused to cooperate. 1212 01:04:56,983 --> 01:05:00,554 If you knew who killed Tupac, would you tell the police? 1213 01:05:00,587 --> 01:05:03,958 Absolutely not. 1214 01:05:03,991 --> 01:05:05,101 I mean, 'cause, you know, I don't know... 1215 01:05:05,125 --> 01:05:07,795 - Why not? - Because it's not my job. 1216 01:05:07,828 --> 01:05:10,398 I don't get paid to solve homicides. 1217 01:05:10,431 --> 01:05:12,900 I don't get paid to tell on people. 1218 01:05:12,933 --> 01:05:14,869 Pam, our producer, had to defend us 1219 01:05:14,902 --> 01:05:19,473 from being mistaken for LAPD police officer, Greg Kading. 1220 01:05:19,505 --> 01:05:22,009 Without Pam, we could never have made the film. 1221 01:05:26,145 --> 01:05:28,148 No, he's not. 1222 01:05:30,951 --> 01:05:33,387 No, where did you hear that from? 1223 01:05:35,922 --> 01:05:37,424 No. 1224 01:05:38,958 --> 01:05:40,493 I'm 100% sure. 1225 01:05:40,527 --> 01:05:42,896 Where did you get that shit from? 1226 01:05:48,768 --> 01:05:50,637 Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't... 1227 01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:52,172 if he was an ex-police officer, 1228 01:05:52,206 --> 01:05:54,208 you think I would help him or fuck with him? 1229 01:05:54,241 --> 01:05:57,945 He wasn't in the... listen, uh-uh. 1230 01:05:57,978 --> 01:05:59,923 Didn't I... didn't he send you the link to everything 1231 01:05:59,947 --> 01:06:02,916 you can Google and find out about who he is? 1232 01:06:05,018 --> 01:06:06,162 All right, I'ma send it to you. 1233 01:06:06,186 --> 01:06:08,122 I want you to check it out. 1234 01:06:08,154 --> 01:06:10,089 Now where did you... they lyin'. 1235 01:06:10,123 --> 01:06:11,659 I don't fuck with the police. 1236 01:06:11,692 --> 01:06:14,795 Yeah, yeah, I mean, and let me just say this to you, 1237 01:06:14,828 --> 01:06:16,039 it don't even fucking matter to me 1238 01:06:16,063 --> 01:06:18,566 because I don't fuck with the police 1239 01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:22,069 and whoever say that shit is lyin' and the... 1240 01:06:22,101 --> 01:06:23,636 How the fuck this n♪♪♪♪ ex-police 1241 01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:25,206 and he's from fucking England? 1242 01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:27,608 He's from the fucking UK. 1243 01:06:43,257 --> 01:06:46,626 And he started saying stuff like, 1244 01:06:46,659 --> 01:06:52,199 "What do you do when you ain't got real friends? 1245 01:06:52,232 --> 01:06:57,036 What do you do when the people you love do you wrong?" 1246 01:06:57,070 --> 01:06:59,807 Like, these are some of the words that I remember. 1247 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,509 And he would talk about it a little more 1248 01:07:01,541 --> 01:07:04,511 and he would turn around in the chair, 1249 01:07:04,545 --> 01:07:05,813 and when he turned back around, 1250 01:07:05,846 --> 01:07:09,215 like about the third time, he's crying. 1251 01:07:09,248 --> 01:07:13,186 You know, and I knew where that place was coming from. 1252 01:07:13,219 --> 01:07:14,254 I seen it in his face. 1253 01:07:14,288 --> 01:07:17,056 You can almost look in his eyes and see just like... 1254 01:07:17,090 --> 01:07:20,828 he's just like had this just stare. 1255 01:07:20,860 --> 01:07:24,764 Like he was so surprised that this happened to Death Row. 1256 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,970 So surprised that this could happen to somebody that he was, 1257 01:07:30,003 --> 01:07:32,206 like, the chief of watch. 1258 01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:34,041 He was the overseer, 1259 01:07:34,074 --> 01:07:36,844 and that happened on his watch. 1260 01:07:36,876 --> 01:07:39,547 And he already thought that he was untouchable. 1261 01:07:41,348 --> 01:07:44,117 And at that time, we'd been touched. 1262 01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:46,654 What happened in the end when he got locked up, 1263 01:07:46,686 --> 01:07:49,623 Suge got a little selfish side of him as well. 1264 01:07:49,655 --> 01:07:51,791 Mean side, mean streak. 1265 01:07:51,824 --> 01:07:54,594 So, that attitude, I'm sure, kicked in. 1266 01:07:54,628 --> 01:07:58,065 Meaning that if I could survive off of $5 a week, 1267 01:07:58,098 --> 01:08:02,201 if I could survive in jail off of cookies and milk, 1268 01:08:02,235 --> 01:08:04,704 if I could survive off of not going anywhere, 1269 01:08:04,737 --> 01:08:07,607 if I could live in this shithole jail, 1270 01:08:07,641 --> 01:08:10,043 you should be able to make it on the streets. 1271 01:08:10,076 --> 01:08:12,345 That's his attitude, so he didn't even have to tell me. 1272 01:08:12,378 --> 01:08:14,915 I knew that's the kind of person that he is. 1273 01:08:14,947 --> 01:08:16,650 "Oh, they out there on in the streets." 1274 01:08:16,683 --> 01:08:18,293 He's not gonna pay for you to live in Beverly Hills 1275 01:08:18,317 --> 01:08:23,089 and he's in a damn Los Angeles County jail. 1276 01:08:23,123 --> 01:08:26,193 So, it felt like when he got locked up, we were locked up. 1277 01:08:26,226 --> 01:08:27,861 For sure we was. 1278 01:08:27,893 --> 01:08:29,629 When Suge Knight was sentenced to jail, 1279 01:08:29,663 --> 01:08:31,998 that's when everybody went to jail. 1280 01:08:32,032 --> 01:08:33,667 It was a fuckin' shame, man. 1281 01:08:33,699 --> 01:08:35,168 And excuse my language, 1282 01:08:35,202 --> 01:08:40,239 but, um, you know, at the end of this thing, 1283 01:08:40,273 --> 01:08:44,877 you know, Snoop is kinda like... 1284 01:08:44,911 --> 01:08:45,878 he's like a duck. 1285 01:08:45,912 --> 01:08:48,616 He's real cool, but underneath, 1286 01:08:48,649 --> 01:08:50,951 paddling like, "Oh shit!" 1287 01:08:50,984 --> 01:08:52,219 You know? 1288 01:08:52,252 --> 01:08:54,688 "I hope I don't drown," you know what I mean? 1289 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,256 Same thing with the, you know, Dogg Pound. 1290 01:08:57,290 --> 01:08:58,891 Same thing with Nate Dogg. 1291 01:08:58,925 --> 01:09:01,261 Same thing with all the, you know, with all the acts. 1292 01:09:01,293 --> 01:09:04,364 They all get up there and it's like, "Wait a minute. 1293 01:09:04,398 --> 01:09:09,403 You mean there's nothing to actually hold on to?" 1294 01:09:09,435 --> 01:09:11,037 That's kinda sad. 1295 01:09:11,070 --> 01:09:13,907 That's like, "What was you doin'?" 1296 01:09:19,813 --> 01:09:23,250 While in jail he's just, he's just stewing 1297 01:09:23,283 --> 01:09:25,252 and he's so pissed off. 1298 01:09:25,284 --> 01:09:28,221 You know, he just lost his friend, 1299 01:09:28,255 --> 01:09:31,091 his number one artist, and his record company 1300 01:09:31,123 --> 01:09:34,161 is kind of beginning to circle the drain. 1301 01:09:34,193 --> 01:09:37,997 And so he takes it upon himself to retaliate. 1302 01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:43,336 He puts things into order to have Biggie killed. 1303 01:09:44,904 --> 01:09:48,708 Somebody had to go after Tupac. 1304 01:09:48,742 --> 01:09:50,310 I truly believe that. 1305 01:09:50,342 --> 01:09:52,078 - So... - Somebody had to go? 1306 01:09:52,112 --> 01:09:55,082 Yeah, somebody would've had to die. 1307 01:09:55,114 --> 01:09:58,318 It's, it's way serious now. 1308 01:09:58,350 --> 01:10:00,153 It's way serious now. 1309 01:10:00,186 --> 01:10:02,790 Y'all done cut the head off the chicken, 1310 01:10:02,823 --> 01:10:06,894 so we gotta do the same thing to y'all. 1311 01:10:06,926 --> 01:10:08,094 And that's all it is, 1312 01:10:08,127 --> 01:10:11,965 it's repercussion, revenge. 1313 01:10:11,997 --> 01:10:13,198 Somebody gotta do something. 1314 01:10:13,233 --> 01:10:17,037 Something got to happen because if don't nothin' happen, 1315 01:10:17,069 --> 01:10:20,174 then you'll have everybody and their momma from everywhere 1316 01:10:20,207 --> 01:10:21,842 tryin' to get at you 1317 01:10:21,875 --> 01:10:25,378 because y'all sat back and let Tupac get killed. 1318 01:10:25,412 --> 01:10:28,449 So, it had to be something. 1319 01:10:28,482 --> 01:10:30,384 - Sup, sup? - How you doing? 1320 01:10:30,417 --> 01:10:34,454 Biggie shouldn't have came to California after Tupac died. 1321 01:10:36,256 --> 01:10:39,259 That was a bad choice for them to make. 1322 01:10:39,292 --> 01:10:41,395 With the East Coast, West Coast thing, 1323 01:10:41,427 --> 01:10:44,297 like I told... said before, it's just a situation 1324 01:10:44,331 --> 01:10:46,400 where it was just me and Pac 1325 01:10:46,433 --> 01:10:48,502 had our little differences or whatever. 1326 01:10:48,534 --> 01:10:50,369 But I'm here to take over. 1327 01:10:50,403 --> 01:10:51,838 Saying it's all over with. 1328 01:10:51,872 --> 01:10:53,841 I'm in the West right now. 1329 01:10:53,873 --> 01:10:55,274 If you need me, wanna see me, 1330 01:10:55,308 --> 01:10:56,976 talk to me, whatever you wanna do. 1331 01:10:57,010 --> 01:11:00,213 - Cool. - Now the time, call on up. 1332 01:11:00,247 --> 01:11:02,182 And they all on Power 106 1333 01:11:02,215 --> 01:11:05,853 and they just all over the radio stations 1334 01:11:05,885 --> 01:11:09,489 and, you know, and Pac is dead now. 1335 01:11:09,523 --> 01:11:14,228 I'm like, "What the fuck is these dudes thinkin' about?" 1336 01:11:14,260 --> 01:11:20,166 And, and there's already an undercurrent, 1337 01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:23,237 grumbling happenin' in LA. 1338 01:11:23,269 --> 01:11:25,338 Like, "These n♪♪♪♪s got a lot of nerve. 1339 01:11:25,372 --> 01:11:27,441 They just think they gonna just come out here?" 1340 01:11:27,474 --> 01:11:28,342 I'm serious. 1341 01:11:28,375 --> 01:11:31,011 These is now all the gang dudes in LA. 1342 01:11:31,043 --> 01:11:33,947 And I'm talkin' about Mexican gangs, too. 1343 01:11:33,979 --> 01:11:37,283 This had nothin' to... this wasn't just Black gangs sayin' it. 1344 01:11:37,317 --> 01:11:39,319 "Gonna get them motherfuckers." 1345 01:11:40,386 --> 01:11:41,287 No doubt. 1346 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:42,456 - B.I.G. - B.I.G. 1347 01:11:42,488 --> 01:11:45,024 - Hey, what's up B? - What up, dog? 1348 01:11:45,058 --> 01:11:46,460 - Hi. - What's up? 1349 01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:59,273 Both theories about the shooting of Biggie Smalls 1350 01:11:59,305 --> 01:12:02,408 agree that Suge Knight ordered the hit from prison. 1351 01:12:02,442 --> 01:12:04,511 Kading argues the police were not involved 1352 01:12:04,543 --> 01:12:07,280 and the hit was carried out by Blood gangsters. 1353 01:12:07,314 --> 01:12:11,018 Russell Poole has always argued that dirty cops did it. 1354 01:12:11,051 --> 01:12:14,021 You know, had it been just your ordinary drive-by shooting 1355 01:12:14,054 --> 01:12:17,858 by some unexperienced gangbangers, 1356 01:12:17,890 --> 01:12:19,926 we would have solved it a long time ago. 1357 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,930 No question about it, but you gotta think to yourself, 1358 01:12:22,962 --> 01:12:26,300 "Well, who could do this and get away with it?" 1359 01:12:26,332 --> 01:12:27,934 You gotta get into their minds. 1360 01:12:27,967 --> 01:12:29,502 Cops. 1361 01:12:33,273 --> 01:12:34,317 911 emergency, what are you reporting? 1362 01:12:34,341 --> 01:12:37,544 Yeah, we need an ambulance on 5th after Wilshire. 1363 01:12:37,577 --> 01:12:40,113 Please, Los Angeles, we have a man shot. 1364 01:12:40,145 --> 01:12:41,624 - We have a man shot. - Wilshire Boulevard. 1365 01:12:41,648 --> 01:12:42,616 Okay, hold on while I get that... 1366 01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:44,326 Right on the corner of Wilshire and 5th Avenue. 1367 01:12:44,350 --> 01:12:45,885 Wilshire Boulevard. 1368 01:12:45,918 --> 01:12:48,287 We've a man shot in our car right now. 1369 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,288 We're in the car right now. 1370 01:12:49,322 --> 01:12:50,433 We're rollin' to the hospital right now. 1371 01:12:50,457 --> 01:12:53,193 I don't know, I'm not from here, I'm from New York. 1372 01:12:53,225 --> 01:12:55,127 Is the party that was shot in your car? 1373 01:12:55,161 --> 01:12:56,395 - No. - I thought you said 1374 01:12:56,429 --> 01:12:57,297 you were going to the hospital- 1375 01:12:57,329 --> 01:12:58,406 The car was in front of me. 1376 01:12:58,430 --> 01:12:59,474 What hospital are you going to? 1377 01:12:59,498 --> 01:13:01,934 N♪♪♪♪, that was a pro. 1378 01:13:01,967 --> 01:13:04,570 That wasn't no bunch of scattered fuckin' bullet holes. 1379 01:13:04,604 --> 01:13:08,375 Them bullet holes went straight across like that. 1380 01:13:08,408 --> 01:13:12,880 Wasn't no scattered bullets like in the BMW, the Tupac car. 1381 01:13:12,912 --> 01:13:17,183 It was a straight nine. 1382 01:13:17,216 --> 01:13:20,554 Russell Poole gave up his career to solve this murder 1383 01:13:20,586 --> 01:13:23,589 and was vilified by his superiors. 1384 01:13:23,622 --> 01:13:27,960 I was told not to talk about the Biggie Smalls killing. 1385 01:13:27,993 --> 01:13:29,929 During the course of the investigation 1386 01:13:29,962 --> 01:13:35,368 of David Mack possibly being involved 1387 01:13:35,402 --> 01:13:37,471 in the Biggie Smalls case, I was told, 1388 01:13:37,503 --> 01:13:41,408 "Hey, Mack had already gone down for the bank robbery. 1389 01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,110 Let's not get into any more controversy," 1390 01:13:44,144 --> 01:13:46,380 and that was that. 1391 01:13:46,412 --> 01:13:50,349 And there was no urgency to investigate David Mack 1392 01:13:50,382 --> 01:13:52,118 for the killing of Biggie Smalls. 1393 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,323 Four years later, in the year 2000, 1394 01:13:57,357 --> 01:14:00,460 when still nobody had been charged for the murders, 1395 01:14:00,493 --> 01:14:02,396 we take Russell to New York 1396 01:14:02,429 --> 01:14:04,364 and introduce him to Voletta Wallace, 1397 01:14:04,396 --> 01:14:08,135 Biggie's mom, who is equally frustrated. 1398 01:14:08,167 --> 01:14:09,402 Hi. 1399 01:14:12,238 --> 01:14:13,573 So this is... 1400 01:14:13,605 --> 01:14:15,041 Hi, Mrs. Wallace, how you doin'? 1401 01:14:15,074 --> 01:14:17,376 I'm Russ Poole. 1402 01:14:17,409 --> 01:14:18,577 Nice to meet you. 1403 01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:20,579 Oh, hey there. 1404 01:14:20,613 --> 01:14:21,615 How are ya? 1405 01:14:21,648 --> 01:14:24,451 Nice to see you again. 1406 01:14:24,484 --> 01:14:26,586 Hi there. 1407 01:14:26,618 --> 01:14:28,621 You know, there are some private investigators 1408 01:14:28,654 --> 01:14:31,524 - working on some good leads. - Uh-huh. 1409 01:14:31,558 --> 01:14:34,994 And if they come up with some good stuff, 1410 01:14:35,028 --> 01:14:37,130 we'll be sure to come back out here. 1411 01:14:37,162 --> 01:14:38,464 Okay. 1412 01:14:38,497 --> 01:14:42,134 Voletta went on to file a $500 million lawsuit, 1413 01:14:42,167 --> 01:14:45,037 an estimate of her son's lifetime's earnings, 1414 01:14:45,070 --> 01:14:47,674 against the city of Los Angeles. 1415 01:14:47,707 --> 01:14:51,144 All it was is a Puffy and Suge Knight war. 1416 01:14:51,176 --> 01:14:54,146 So if that's the case, Puffy, Suge Knight, 1417 01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:56,283 solve your damn problem. 1418 01:14:56,315 --> 01:14:58,585 They should have done that. 1419 01:14:58,618 --> 01:15:01,688 So that's where the East Coast, West Coast thing came. 1420 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,290 Everybody wants to be famous, 1421 01:15:03,323 --> 01:15:04,992 so they went to the newspaper 1422 01:15:05,024 --> 01:15:06,525 and gave their own little stories 1423 01:15:06,559 --> 01:15:09,429 and everybody start, "East Coast, West Coast." 1424 01:15:09,461 --> 01:15:10,696 East Coast was Puffy. 1425 01:15:10,729 --> 01:15:12,264 West Coast was Suge Knight. 1426 01:15:12,297 --> 01:15:13,399 East Coast was Biggie. 1427 01:15:13,433 --> 01:15:15,034 West Coast was Tupac. 1428 01:15:15,068 --> 01:15:16,168 Come on now. 1429 01:15:16,202 --> 01:15:17,771 You're messing with lives here. 1430 01:15:17,804 --> 01:15:19,605 And that's exactly what happened. 1431 01:15:19,639 --> 01:15:22,542 Two lives were lost as a result of what? 1432 01:15:22,574 --> 01:15:24,077 Stupidity? 1433 01:15:26,112 --> 01:15:29,082 Years later I discovered that this earlier film I did 1434 01:15:29,114 --> 01:15:32,719 with Voletta did prompt an FBI investigation 1435 01:15:32,752 --> 01:15:35,122 into possible LAPD involvement 1436 01:15:35,154 --> 01:15:38,524 with her son's murder. 1437 01:15:38,558 --> 01:15:41,661 I literally was watching TV one night 1438 01:15:41,693 --> 01:15:45,464 and I came across this documentary. 1439 01:15:45,497 --> 01:15:48,234 It was on the whole Biggie murder. 1440 01:15:48,268 --> 01:15:52,105 So I wrote up a long report to my bosses. 1441 01:15:52,137 --> 01:15:53,340 They all signed off on it. 1442 01:15:53,372 --> 01:15:54,308 They said, "Yeah, you know what? 1443 01:15:54,341 --> 01:15:57,677 You got something here, let's run with it." 1444 01:15:57,710 --> 01:16:00,413 So that's how, that's how the whole case got started. 1445 01:16:02,849 --> 01:16:06,552 The LAPD did not welcome this FBI investigation 1446 01:16:06,586 --> 01:16:09,088 and set up their own, looking for evidence 1447 01:16:09,122 --> 01:16:12,692 to counterattack the Biggie Smalls lawsuit. 1448 01:16:12,725 --> 01:16:16,463 Greg Kading was the head of Operation Transparency. 1449 01:16:16,496 --> 01:16:20,734 Yeah, so as that lawsuit kinda weaved in and out of the courts, 1450 01:16:20,766 --> 01:16:24,171 it came to a point where the LAPD realized that, 1451 01:16:24,203 --> 01:16:27,573 you know, in civil court just about anything could happen, 1452 01:16:27,607 --> 01:16:29,418 and they thought it would be in their best interest 1453 01:16:29,442 --> 01:16:31,845 to relook at the case. 1454 01:16:34,780 --> 01:16:38,318 The City of LA prevented the lead FBI investigator, 1455 01:16:38,350 --> 01:16:41,787 Phil Carson, from testifying at the trial. 1456 01:16:41,820 --> 01:16:43,723 They said, "Yeah. 1457 01:16:43,756 --> 01:16:46,660 You're not looking into solving a murder. 1458 01:16:46,693 --> 01:16:48,728 You're looking into solving a murder 1459 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,731 that involved the LAPD orchestrating it." 1460 01:16:52,765 --> 01:16:55,469 They said, "You guys gotta squash this subpoena 1461 01:16:55,502 --> 01:16:59,339 because if Phil testifies, we got at least a 50/50 chance 1462 01:16:59,372 --> 01:17:02,509 of losing a $500 million lawsuit." 1463 01:17:02,542 --> 01:17:04,644 And to be honest with ya, they're right. 1464 01:17:04,676 --> 01:17:08,681 They got a... I think it's better than a 50/50 chance. 1465 01:17:11,650 --> 01:17:14,854 Greg Kading, who headed up the LAPD task force, 1466 01:17:14,887 --> 01:17:17,524 disputes that LAPD cops were involved 1467 01:17:17,556 --> 01:17:19,525 in the hit on Biggie Smalls. 1468 01:17:19,559 --> 01:17:21,261 He not only wrote a book, 1469 01:17:21,293 --> 01:17:25,232 but was involved in a major series on Netflix and on BET 1470 01:17:25,265 --> 01:17:29,402 and his views are widely accepted today. 1471 01:17:29,435 --> 01:17:31,638 He says that officers Mack and Perez 1472 01:17:31,671 --> 01:17:33,573 never worked at Death Row, 1473 01:17:33,605 --> 01:17:35,375 but we came up with new evidence 1474 01:17:35,408 --> 01:17:37,844 showing Greg Kading is incorrect. 1475 01:17:37,877 --> 01:17:40,347 David Mack, the LAPD officer, 1476 01:17:40,380 --> 01:17:42,882 never, ever worked or was affiliated and associated 1477 01:17:42,916 --> 01:17:44,384 with Death Row Records at all. 1478 01:17:44,417 --> 01:17:46,386 Neither was Rafael Perez. 1479 01:17:46,418 --> 01:17:47,921 And those were the two individuals 1480 01:17:47,953 --> 01:17:51,291 that jailhouse informants had claimed 1481 01:17:51,323 --> 01:17:52,925 were part of Death Row's security. 1482 01:17:52,958 --> 01:17:54,627 They weren't, ever. 1483 01:17:54,661 --> 01:17:56,429 And that was looked into not only by 1484 01:17:56,461 --> 01:17:59,498 the original investigators back in the mid-'90s, 1485 01:17:59,532 --> 01:18:01,635 but also by our task force. 1486 01:18:06,573 --> 01:18:08,408 Officer David Mack was apparently 1487 01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:11,577 a charismatic and social guy. 1488 01:18:11,610 --> 01:18:15,415 So many people at Death Row remember him. 1489 01:18:15,448 --> 01:18:16,950 I knew David very well. 1490 01:18:16,983 --> 01:18:19,786 I was actually quite shocked when I saw David 1491 01:18:19,818 --> 01:18:21,854 and he was an LAPD. 1492 01:18:21,887 --> 01:18:23,957 Very surprised. 1493 01:18:23,989 --> 01:18:27,960 And he came with me to the video shoot 1494 01:18:27,993 --> 01:18:32,431 when we were doing Mac Mall and Ray Luv's video shoot 1495 01:18:32,465 --> 01:18:36,469 and Tupac was directing and he wanted to be connected 1496 01:18:36,502 --> 01:18:40,640 because he wanted to do off-duty work for rap artists. 1497 01:18:40,672 --> 01:18:44,210 And I brought him to that video shoot 1498 01:18:44,243 --> 01:18:48,614 and a little later, I found out he was working 1499 01:18:48,648 --> 01:18:51,384 with all the rappers I knew, off-duty 1500 01:18:51,417 --> 01:18:55,622 and a lot of other cops that I knew. 1501 01:18:59,259 --> 01:19:02,662 Leila isn't the only one who remembers Mack and Perez. 1502 01:19:02,694 --> 01:19:03,829 Yeah, I seen it. 1503 01:19:03,863 --> 01:19:06,600 I seen David Mack plenty of time. 1504 01:19:06,632 --> 01:19:08,969 They had to come to the party 'cause, you know, 1505 01:19:09,002 --> 01:19:10,971 never knew when it was gonna jump off. 1506 01:19:12,838 --> 01:19:14,407 Hung out with 'em. 1507 01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,009 Been in the room with 'em. 1508 01:19:17,042 --> 01:19:17,978 Been around 'em. 1509 01:19:18,010 --> 01:19:21,513 You know, ever they been around, I was around. 1510 01:19:23,283 --> 01:19:25,719 And what, who was the other one, Rafael Perez? 1511 01:19:25,752 --> 01:19:26,753 Rafael Perez. 1512 01:19:26,786 --> 01:19:28,320 Seen him too. 1513 01:19:28,354 --> 01:19:29,588 Yep, all that. 1514 01:19:29,622 --> 01:19:32,559 But like I said, shit, they wasn't no different from us. 1515 01:19:32,591 --> 01:19:35,427 The only thing, they had badges, we didn't. 1516 01:19:35,461 --> 01:19:37,797 So, we have... you know, we might be somewhere, 1517 01:19:37,829 --> 01:19:39,698 you know, it go like this, we get into it 1518 01:19:39,732 --> 01:19:41,533 with whoever we get into it with. 1519 01:19:41,567 --> 01:19:45,372 And when the police rush us, our police rush them. 1520 01:19:45,404 --> 01:19:46,672 That's how it went. 1521 01:19:49,942 --> 01:19:52,545 That's how the get down went. 1522 01:19:52,577 --> 01:19:54,813 Yes, Officer Perez. 1523 01:19:54,846 --> 01:19:56,582 He was friends with Suge. 1524 01:19:56,616 --> 01:19:59,719 I seen him up there several, several times. 1525 01:19:59,752 --> 01:20:00,820 Several times. 1526 01:20:00,853 --> 01:20:02,788 And he was friends with Suge. 1527 01:20:02,822 --> 01:20:05,558 I seen him in uniform and out of uniform. 1528 01:20:05,591 --> 01:20:06,969 And when you're out of uniform, you try to be... 1529 01:20:06,993 --> 01:20:08,762 try to look like he cool and shit. 1530 01:20:08,795 --> 01:20:11,598 He wear little accents of red, you know? 1531 01:20:11,631 --> 01:20:13,900 You know, like try to fit in, I knew who he... 1532 01:20:13,933 --> 01:20:15,935 I'm like, "Ah, that's the the police dude." 1533 01:20:15,967 --> 01:20:17,903 But I never knew that he was the part of 1534 01:20:17,936 --> 01:20:20,674 that Rampart Division shit until I seen him. 1535 01:20:20,707 --> 01:20:21,808 I'm like, "Oh!" 1536 01:20:21,841 --> 01:20:24,043 Out of all the police in the world that I remember, 1537 01:20:24,077 --> 01:20:26,780 I remember him for being up at Death Row. 1538 01:20:26,813 --> 01:20:28,315 And then there was another one. 1539 01:20:28,348 --> 01:20:31,951 The one that they say killed Biggie, right? 1540 01:20:31,984 --> 01:20:33,453 Black dude. 1541 01:20:35,921 --> 01:20:38,824 He used to be up there too. 1542 01:20:38,858 --> 01:20:41,561 I don't know if he did this, 1543 01:20:41,594 --> 01:20:44,864 but the one that they had on the news, 1544 01:20:44,896 --> 01:20:47,734 he was there a lot. 1545 01:20:48,935 --> 01:20:50,503 - Hi. - Hey. 1546 01:20:50,536 --> 01:20:52,538 Good morning, very good of you to see us. 1547 01:20:52,572 --> 01:20:55,108 What makes Kading's comments about Mack and Perez 1548 01:20:55,140 --> 01:20:57,344 look especially weak is that 1549 01:20:57,377 --> 01:20:59,779 even Police Chief Bernard Parks himself 1550 01:20:59,811 --> 01:21:01,680 said they worked for Death Row. 1551 01:21:01,713 --> 01:21:04,551 We know that David Mack and Rafael Perez 1552 01:21:04,583 --> 01:21:08,921 both worked security in this rap culture, 1553 01:21:08,954 --> 01:21:10,790 as it relates to some of these artists, 1554 01:21:10,823 --> 01:21:12,792 - but we have had... - Pertaining to Death Row. 1555 01:21:12,824 --> 01:21:15,828 Death Row Records, but we have no information 1556 01:21:15,862 --> 01:21:19,599 nor has any information come forward that would cause us 1557 01:21:19,631 --> 01:21:21,835 to believe that either one of them are suspects. 1558 01:21:21,868 --> 01:21:23,970 If, in our continuing investigation, 1559 01:21:24,002 --> 01:21:27,072 we uncover facts that we can prove, 1560 01:21:27,105 --> 01:21:29,876 then we will continue moving forward to clear that case, 1561 01:21:29,908 --> 01:21:32,444 but until then, what we've seen so far 1562 01:21:32,478 --> 01:21:35,148 is merely undocumented speculation 1563 01:21:35,180 --> 01:21:38,984 that has not led to any significant leads. 1564 01:21:39,018 --> 01:21:41,488 It would appear that Police Chief Bernard Parks 1565 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,424 should have been well-acquainted with Mack and Perez, 1566 01:21:44,457 --> 01:21:46,793 according to Xavier Hermosillo. 1567 01:21:46,826 --> 01:21:49,796 One of the most shocking things in that Board of Rights, 1568 01:21:49,828 --> 01:21:53,699 or anything that I've ever done in over 30 years, 1569 01:21:53,733 --> 01:21:58,137 was there was a photograph of Rafael Perez and David Mack, 1570 01:21:58,171 --> 01:22:02,708 who were the two police officers that were bad, bad, bad news, 1571 01:22:02,742 --> 01:22:05,078 and a woman standing in the middle. 1572 01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:07,546 And they were all dressed in red, from head to toe. 1573 01:22:07,579 --> 01:22:11,583 A hat, whatever, which is the color of the Blood gangs. 1574 01:22:11,617 --> 01:22:14,521 There's the Crips and their clothes are blue. 1575 01:22:14,554 --> 01:22:18,425 And so these guys were dressed in red 1576 01:22:18,457 --> 01:22:20,192 and they were standing behind a table. 1577 01:22:20,225 --> 01:22:22,828 There was a, a cake that said something like, 1578 01:22:22,862 --> 01:22:25,965 "Bloods rule," or, you know, something like that. 1579 01:22:25,997 --> 01:22:29,001 And I was startled, because I recognized the woman, 1580 01:22:29,034 --> 01:22:32,572 and it was the daughter of Police Chief Bernard Parks, 1581 01:22:32,604 --> 01:22:35,741 who it appeared was a Blood gang member. 1582 01:22:35,774 --> 01:22:38,777 That's incredible. 1583 01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:40,846 Yeah, tell me about it. 1584 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,616 I looked at this thing and I turned to my two partners 1585 01:22:43,649 --> 01:22:46,719 and I said, "Is this who I think it is?" 1586 01:22:46,752 --> 01:22:48,588 And they said, "Yeah." 1587 01:22:51,858 --> 01:22:54,092 The Biggie Smalls' estate lawyers were never able 1588 01:22:54,126 --> 01:22:55,994 to get a copy of this photograph, 1589 01:22:56,028 --> 01:22:59,565 which mysteriously disappeared. 1590 01:22:59,599 --> 01:23:01,634 It is also alleged that Michelle Parks 1591 01:23:01,667 --> 01:23:06,706 and Officer Rafael Perez were in a dating relationship. 1592 01:23:06,738 --> 01:23:10,909 Officer David Mack was later convicted for this bank robbery. 1593 01:23:10,943 --> 01:23:13,079 It's alleged that on the night of the robbery, 1594 01:23:13,112 --> 01:23:15,547 Michelle Parks, Mack and Perez 1595 01:23:15,581 --> 01:23:18,150 celebrated at the Rio Hotel in Las Vegas. 1596 01:23:20,552 --> 01:23:22,788 When, on a subsequent occasion, 1597 01:23:22,822 --> 01:23:27,659 Michelle Parks was arrested in Las Vegas for narcotics, 1598 01:23:27,693 --> 01:23:30,563 it is Rafael Perez who posts bail. 1599 01:23:33,866 --> 01:23:37,903 Xavier also mentions the account of this man, Boagni, 1600 01:23:37,936 --> 01:23:40,640 and another cellmate of Officer Perez 1601 01:23:40,672 --> 01:23:43,208 who alleged Perez took part in Biggie's murder 1602 01:23:43,242 --> 01:23:47,046 and were threatened with death if they testified against him. 1603 01:23:47,078 --> 01:23:48,648 I have a great admiration and respect 1604 01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:50,157 for the Los Angeles Police Department, 1605 01:23:50,181 --> 01:23:52,551 but this is the one time... and I've been around 1606 01:23:52,585 --> 01:23:56,055 the department 40 years as a civilian. 1607 01:23:56,087 --> 01:24:00,192 And one of the things that I think bothered me the most 1608 01:24:00,225 --> 01:24:04,196 was how this one case, 1609 01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:06,899 being the murder of Biggie Smalls, 1610 01:24:06,933 --> 01:24:09,068 and everything that emanated from it, 1611 01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:11,136 was really problematic. 1612 01:24:11,170 --> 01:24:14,207 And in this particular case with these two prisoners, 1613 01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:16,742 they were visited at their prisons, 1614 01:24:16,775 --> 01:24:20,813 thousand miles apart, and told not to come and testify 1615 01:24:20,845 --> 01:24:23,750 at the Board of Rights hearing that I was involved with. 1616 01:24:23,783 --> 01:24:26,252 And they were told that if they did testify, 1617 01:24:26,284 --> 01:24:29,689 that friends of Perez who were in prison 1618 01:24:29,721 --> 01:24:31,957 would have them killed for testifying, 1619 01:24:31,991 --> 01:24:33,926 for snitching. 1620 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,130 That I found to be, you know, just abhorrent, 1621 01:24:37,162 --> 01:24:38,997 just illegal. 1622 01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:41,701 And it was LAPD police officers who told them? 1623 01:24:41,734 --> 01:24:42,602 It was two detectives. 1624 01:24:42,635 --> 01:24:45,338 And, uh, we heard it for the first time 1625 01:24:45,371 --> 01:24:49,676 when Boagni, Kenny Boagni, sort of blurted it out. 1626 01:24:49,708 --> 01:24:52,679 I asked him a question and he started, 1627 01:24:52,711 --> 01:24:54,880 you know, kind of shaking a little bit. 1628 01:24:54,913 --> 01:24:56,849 And then the advocate for the department, 1629 01:24:56,881 --> 01:24:58,650 who was like the prosecutor, 1630 01:24:58,684 --> 01:25:00,086 he jumps up and he gets in his face 1631 01:25:00,118 --> 01:25:01,787 and he says, "Keep your mouth shut. 1632 01:25:01,820 --> 01:25:03,756 You were told not to talk about that." 1633 01:25:03,788 --> 01:25:05,724 That was so unreal. 1634 01:25:05,757 --> 01:25:08,027 I'd never seen that in all the years 1635 01:25:08,060 --> 01:25:10,863 of being involved with the department. 1636 01:25:16,635 --> 01:25:19,738 Shortly afterwards, I received a phone call from Boagni, 1637 01:25:19,771 --> 01:25:21,940 who is currently serving a 40-year sentence 1638 01:25:21,974 --> 01:25:23,676 in state prison. 1639 01:25:23,708 --> 01:25:27,913 This call is from an inmate at a federal prison. 1640 01:25:27,947 --> 01:25:29,716 So are you saying that Suge Knight 1641 01:25:29,748 --> 01:25:32,184 was behind the hit, though? 1642 01:25:40,693 --> 01:25:42,729 So which, which offi... 1643 01:25:42,761 --> 01:25:45,297 which officers are you saying were implicated 1644 01:25:45,331 --> 01:25:47,667 in the murder of Biggie Smalls? 1645 01:25:47,699 --> 01:25:49,335 This call and your telephone number 1646 01:25:49,368 --> 01:25:51,137 will be monitored and recorded. 1647 01:26:15,161 --> 01:26:17,363 It is this testimony from Boagni 1648 01:26:17,395 --> 01:26:19,732 that is concealed by the LAPD 1649 01:26:19,765 --> 01:26:22,869 and kept from the Biggie Smalls lawyers. 1650 01:26:22,902 --> 01:26:25,738 The LAPD will be fined $1.1 million 1651 01:26:25,770 --> 01:26:29,041 by a US district judge for concealing evidence. 1652 01:26:42,287 --> 01:26:44,424 However, it's Kading's unfounded theory 1653 01:26:44,457 --> 01:26:47,727 that, over time, with podcasts and TV shows, 1654 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,762 is accepted as valid today. 1655 01:26:50,796 --> 01:26:52,065 Whereas, Russell Poole, 1656 01:26:52,098 --> 01:26:54,900 an outstanding police officer for 20 years, 1657 01:26:54,934 --> 01:26:58,404 is discredited and ostracized. 1658 01:26:58,436 --> 01:27:02,041 And I mean, I almost took my life, 1659 01:27:02,073 --> 01:27:06,211 but it was my kids that actually saved me, okay? 1660 01:27:06,244 --> 01:27:08,413 And it hurt. 1661 01:27:08,447 --> 01:27:11,050 I was betrayed by my own department 1662 01:27:11,082 --> 01:27:12,984 because of the core values 1663 01:27:13,018 --> 01:27:15,188 that the Los Angeles Police Department 1664 01:27:15,220 --> 01:27:17,889 preached from day one. 1665 01:27:17,922 --> 01:27:21,460 Honesty, integrity. 1666 01:27:21,493 --> 01:27:25,331 Okay, tell the truth. 1667 01:27:25,363 --> 01:27:28,067 Swear to tell the truth, nothing but the truth, 1668 01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:30,203 so help you God. 1669 01:27:30,235 --> 01:27:31,403 Do a good job. 1670 01:27:31,436 --> 01:27:33,338 Do a thorough investigation. 1671 01:27:33,372 --> 01:27:35,074 Work for the community. 1672 01:27:35,107 --> 01:27:39,112 Uh, I believed in the oath of office. 1673 01:27:39,144 --> 01:27:43,014 I believed in the protect and serving the people, 1674 01:27:43,047 --> 01:27:43,916 I really did. 1675 01:27:43,948 --> 01:27:48,386 But on the inside, behind closed doors, 1676 01:27:48,420 --> 01:27:50,489 that it wasn't the case. 1677 01:27:50,523 --> 01:27:55,862 When it came to cops being investigated, 1678 01:27:55,894 --> 01:27:57,162 we weren't serving the public 1679 01:27:57,195 --> 01:27:59,931 the way we should have served the public. 1680 01:27:59,965 --> 01:28:01,132 And when I'm assigned to... 1681 01:28:01,166 --> 01:28:04,470 Solving these murders would dominate Russell's life. 1682 01:28:04,502 --> 01:28:06,805 He died tragically of a heart attack 1683 01:28:06,838 --> 01:28:09,408 at LA Sheriff's Headquarters during a meeting 1684 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:11,210 about the Biggie Smalls murder. 1685 01:28:11,243 --> 01:28:14,847 ...not be suppressed and kept away from the public. 1686 01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,083 A lot of what Russ Poole did... 1687 01:28:17,116 --> 01:28:20,453 telling you right now, that guy was legit. 1688 01:28:20,485 --> 01:28:24,055 For people to say that he was a disgraced detective, 1689 01:28:24,088 --> 01:28:25,224 it's not fair. 1690 01:28:25,256 --> 01:28:26,925 The guy knew what he was doing. 1691 01:28:26,958 --> 01:28:29,127 He was actually a good cop, 1692 01:28:29,161 --> 01:28:31,329 and they did what they could to shut him down. 1693 01:28:31,363 --> 01:28:32,932 And I know a lot of people like to say, 1694 01:28:32,965 --> 01:28:35,034 "Oh, he keeps going down this theory." 1695 01:28:35,067 --> 01:28:38,203 No, his theory is correct. 1696 01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:49,080 The only time I met Suge Knight was in 2002 1697 01:28:49,113 --> 01:28:50,582 when he was serving nine years 1698 01:28:50,616 --> 01:28:53,452 for the Orlando Anderson fight. 1699 01:28:53,484 --> 01:28:56,221 Both Kading and Russell agree Suge Knight commissioned 1700 01:28:56,255 --> 01:28:58,190 the Biggie Smalls murder, 1701 01:28:58,224 --> 01:29:01,260 yet he's never been charged. 1702 01:29:01,292 --> 01:29:04,262 When I went to visit him at Mule Creek State Prison, 1703 01:29:04,296 --> 01:29:06,399 Death Row was already collapsing. 1704 01:29:06,431 --> 01:29:08,466 Both Dre and Snoop had left, 1705 01:29:08,500 --> 01:29:12,971 and Suge Knight was trying to manage Death Row from prison. 1706 01:29:13,005 --> 01:29:14,373 Oh, okay. 1707 01:29:30,989 --> 01:29:32,090 Okay. 1708 01:29:32,125 --> 01:29:35,094 By now, Suge had mentally moved on to his new enemy, 1709 01:29:35,127 --> 01:29:37,230 Snoop, who had just left Death Row. 1710 01:29:37,262 --> 01:29:39,364 If you hear about a lot of the artists, 1711 01:29:39,398 --> 01:29:41,175 used to be some of them used to be on Death Row, 1712 01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:43,536 some of them on other labels, you might hear them, 1713 01:29:43,568 --> 01:29:46,905 um, getting caught up with drugs, 1714 01:29:46,939 --> 01:29:48,941 getting caught with a gun, stab somebody, 1715 01:29:48,974 --> 01:29:50,376 do those type of crimes, 1716 01:29:50,408 --> 01:29:52,010 and they're gonna come to prison. 1717 01:29:52,043 --> 01:29:53,120 One of the reason they're gonna come... 1718 01:29:53,144 --> 01:29:55,447 - You mean like Snoop? - Oh, Snoop would never come. 1719 01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:57,916 I mean, Snoop is on... you know, we'd be at the murder trial 1720 01:29:57,949 --> 01:29:59,885 for him, but then he was on probation. 1721 01:29:59,918 --> 01:30:02,488 Then he got caught with two ounces of marijuana. 1722 01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:03,822 Then he got caught with guns. 1723 01:30:03,855 --> 01:30:06,324 And each time, it's nothing, they're not gonna violate him, 1724 01:30:06,358 --> 01:30:08,194 because for the street guys, 1725 01:30:08,226 --> 01:30:09,571 street guys know what I'm talking about. 1726 01:30:09,595 --> 01:30:10,963 There's no puzzle. 1727 01:30:10,996 --> 01:30:12,230 I mean, if you get a guy that 1728 01:30:12,264 --> 01:30:14,541 constantly getting in trouble and never got come to prison, 1729 01:30:14,565 --> 01:30:16,534 that's because he's an informant, he's a rat. 1730 01:30:16,568 --> 01:30:18,637 - Yeah, yeah. - A snitch, you know. 1731 01:30:18,671 --> 01:30:21,007 And they more important to the police 1732 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,009 on the streets than in here, 1733 01:30:23,042 --> 01:30:25,044 because they let them know what's going on. 1734 01:30:25,077 --> 01:30:26,945 They might say what they saw by telling 1735 01:30:26,979 --> 01:30:28,648 three or four, five other guys. 1736 01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,549 You know, I'm from Compton and I'm... 1737 01:30:30,582 --> 01:30:32,018 a rat is the lowest you can go. 1738 01:30:32,051 --> 01:30:33,386 A rat will do anything. 1739 01:30:33,418 --> 01:30:35,520 This was Suge's message to Snoop. 1740 01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,683 When Suge got back out in 2001, 1741 01:31:04,716 --> 01:31:08,420 you know, he changed the name to The Row. 1742 01:31:08,453 --> 01:31:09,287 It never rose. 1743 01:31:09,322 --> 01:31:13,059 It never, it never prospered at all. 1744 01:31:13,091 --> 01:31:16,429 Suge was just living off of Death Row reputation. 1745 01:31:16,461 --> 01:31:18,205 He was living off of the reputation of people 1746 01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:21,599 that wasn't even alive no more. 1747 01:31:21,632 --> 01:31:25,570 So I left Death Row in like 2002, 1748 01:31:25,604 --> 01:31:27,039 'cause it was really over with. 1749 01:31:27,072 --> 01:31:28,607 It was just like... 1750 01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:32,378 to me, it was just like a little gang hangout. 1751 01:31:37,683 --> 01:31:39,452 How you doing, man? 1752 01:31:39,484 --> 01:31:40,485 Yeah. 1753 01:31:40,519 --> 01:31:42,754 Once Suge lost everything, he lost everything. 1754 01:31:42,787 --> 01:31:45,056 He lost his accountants, he lost everything. 1755 01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:47,760 He didn't have nobody really on his side. 1756 01:31:47,792 --> 01:31:50,563 And Jimmy Iovine, them, they businessmen, 1757 01:31:50,595 --> 01:31:52,530 they was consistently getting the money. 1758 01:31:57,036 --> 01:31:58,003 I need $50. 1759 01:31:58,037 --> 01:32:00,039 Can I have $50? 1760 01:32:00,072 --> 01:32:02,675 Where did all the money end up? 1761 01:32:02,707 --> 01:32:03,675 I don't know. 1762 01:32:03,708 --> 01:32:07,345 I know a fool and his money shall soon part. 1763 01:32:07,378 --> 01:32:10,382 I know that the fool lost his money 1764 01:32:10,416 --> 01:32:12,351 from doing foolish things, 1765 01:32:12,384 --> 01:32:13,418 and that's Suge. 1766 01:32:13,452 --> 01:32:16,021 We know the big boys got the bag. 1767 01:32:16,055 --> 01:32:18,491 They took the bag. 1768 01:32:18,524 --> 01:32:19,358 David Kenner ain't... 1769 01:32:19,391 --> 01:32:22,427 I guarantee you, David ain't broke. 1770 01:32:22,461 --> 01:32:23,729 Ted Field, come on. 1771 01:32:23,761 --> 01:32:27,232 That's Marshall Field's brother. 1772 01:32:27,265 --> 01:32:31,469 The Seagrams family is intertwined in that. 1773 01:32:31,502 --> 01:32:33,405 They're not broke. 1774 01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:35,775 But, you know, Suge was standing up 1775 01:32:35,808 --> 01:32:39,578 in the wrong way to the wrong people. 1776 01:32:39,610 --> 01:32:43,181 You know, you can't scare Jimmy Iovine. 1777 01:32:43,215 --> 01:32:45,451 Don't even make sense. 1778 01:32:45,484 --> 01:32:46,484 Hey. 1779 01:32:48,186 --> 01:32:49,597 That's coming from the East to the West. 1780 01:32:49,621 --> 01:32:50,689 Hey, check this out. 1781 01:32:50,721 --> 01:32:52,224 This my homeboy. 1782 01:32:52,256 --> 01:32:53,826 BJ, you know what I'm saying? 1783 01:32:53,859 --> 01:32:55,761 My PO let me out here, but I fuck with me, 1784 01:32:55,793 --> 01:32:58,264 my n♪♪♪♪s, right here, but this BJ is my n♪♪♪♪. 1785 01:32:58,296 --> 01:32:59,799 This man is like my brother. 1786 01:32:59,832 --> 01:33:01,809 I'm gonna fuck n♪♪♪♪s up behind the homeboy, n♪♪♪♪. 1787 01:33:01,833 --> 01:33:04,235 Suge, money wasn't the way it was no more. 1788 01:33:04,269 --> 01:33:05,204 Now what? 1789 01:33:05,237 --> 01:33:08,340 You know, he wasn't making no more money, 1790 01:33:08,372 --> 01:33:09,817 so when he wasn't making no more money, 1791 01:33:09,841 --> 01:33:12,844 the people that he want to get from the neighborhood, 1792 01:33:12,877 --> 01:33:17,549 he wasn't paying them, so they start dropping off. 1793 01:33:17,582 --> 01:33:19,617 And that's why, a lot of times used to see Suge, 1794 01:33:19,650 --> 01:33:20,653 he used to be by himself. 1795 01:33:24,323 --> 01:33:26,592 Once the people on the street seeing that, 1796 01:33:26,625 --> 01:33:28,194 they start attacking Suge. 1797 01:33:58,422 --> 01:34:00,391 He got shot at Chris Brown's party. 1798 01:34:00,425 --> 01:34:02,795 He got knocked out. 1799 01:34:02,827 --> 01:34:06,331 Well, that looked like Suge, bro. 1800 01:34:06,364 --> 01:34:08,733 Some people was like, you know what I'm saying, 1801 01:34:08,766 --> 01:34:11,804 "You ain't nothing." 1802 01:34:11,836 --> 01:34:14,305 I mean, things start to happen to him 1803 01:34:14,338 --> 01:34:16,641 that would never would have happened. 1804 01:34:16,675 --> 01:34:19,244 But once... it's just like Moses. 1805 01:34:19,278 --> 01:34:21,180 Moses had a veil. 1806 01:34:21,212 --> 01:34:22,290 He didn't want nobody to see 1807 01:34:22,314 --> 01:34:25,317 that the light was gone on his face. 1808 01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:29,588 So Suge's veil start to appear 1809 01:34:29,621 --> 01:34:32,625 that it... that these people weren't behind him no more. 1810 01:34:32,658 --> 01:34:35,427 So the people weren't scared no more. 1811 01:34:35,460 --> 01:34:37,229 All I know is, 1812 01:34:37,261 --> 01:34:40,565 none of the guys that was working for Death Row 1813 01:34:40,599 --> 01:34:44,470 got a house, didn't get a car out of it, 1814 01:34:46,704 --> 01:34:49,175 don't have a big bank account. 1815 01:34:49,207 --> 01:34:51,309 Everybody is just back... 1816 01:34:51,342 --> 01:34:53,345 it's like the Cinderella story. 1817 01:34:53,377 --> 01:34:54,589 Twelve o'clock, everything changed 1818 01:34:54,613 --> 01:34:55,915 back into the same thing, 1819 01:34:55,948 --> 01:34:57,650 changed back into what it is. 1820 01:34:57,683 --> 01:34:59,484 That's how it is in Compton. 1821 01:34:59,518 --> 01:35:02,421 Everybody just changed back into what they were. 1822 01:35:02,453 --> 01:35:03,322 You know what I'm saying? 1823 01:35:03,354 --> 01:35:04,689 It was good. 1824 01:35:04,723 --> 01:35:08,894 Tupac, they had Tupac for 11 months, I think, 1825 01:35:08,926 --> 01:35:11,863 and everybody was good. 1826 01:35:11,896 --> 01:35:13,732 But soon as he passed, 1827 01:35:13,765 --> 01:35:17,703 everybody turned back into 1828 01:35:17,735 --> 01:35:20,405 just a regular old cat in the neighborhood. 1829 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:24,409 It was all gone, from rags to riches to worse. 1830 01:35:25,711 --> 01:35:28,414 Or to the dirt. 1831 01:35:29,915 --> 01:35:31,617 This is Rosecrans and Atlantic. 1832 01:35:31,649 --> 01:35:34,452 I believe this is still Compton. 1833 01:35:34,485 --> 01:35:36,221 Looks like more than likely they were shot 1834 01:35:36,255 --> 01:35:38,489 while trying to fill up their car with gas. 1835 01:35:38,523 --> 01:35:41,293 Suge Knight, struggling to maintain control, 1836 01:35:41,326 --> 01:35:44,395 created a rivalry between his own Blood gang members, 1837 01:35:44,429 --> 01:35:46,465 who started killing each other. 1838 01:35:46,497 --> 01:35:48,800 A lot of them died for him, 1839 01:35:48,833 --> 01:35:51,336 including my brother. 1840 01:35:51,369 --> 01:35:56,742 Some guy got out of a van and AK'ed him down. 1841 01:35:56,774 --> 01:36:00,845 I think he got shot nine times, ten times, 1842 01:36:00,878 --> 01:36:04,983 and he was laying there. 1843 01:36:05,016 --> 01:36:07,385 I've seen the scene so many times. 1844 01:36:07,418 --> 01:36:10,889 I've seen what happened to him so many times. 1845 01:36:10,921 --> 01:36:13,692 You know... 1846 01:36:13,725 --> 01:36:15,494 I can say I can't even imagine 1847 01:36:15,527 --> 01:36:17,262 that somebody would do him like that, 1848 01:36:17,296 --> 01:36:19,030 but that's how we was living, 1849 01:36:19,064 --> 01:36:21,767 that's the shit we was doing when we was doing drive-bys. 1850 01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,603 That's the shit that I lived for, 1851 01:36:24,635 --> 01:36:28,339 that I had to go out and live like that. 1852 01:36:28,372 --> 01:36:31,476 So, seeing my brother, 1853 01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:34,546 it was, it was so different. 1854 01:36:34,578 --> 01:36:37,949 It was like I'm... I had to step outside of myself 1855 01:36:37,983 --> 01:36:41,654 and to see him laying there 1856 01:36:41,686 --> 01:36:45,457 with his eyes open and just... 1857 01:36:45,489 --> 01:36:48,693 I had, I had so much anger in me. 1858 01:36:52,096 --> 01:36:54,599 It's, it's... hm... 1859 01:36:57,769 --> 01:36:59,905 It's rough talking about him. 1860 01:37:02,741 --> 01:37:05,978 Every time they mention his name, I get choked up. 1861 01:37:12,650 --> 01:37:15,921 The pain is a cold feeling. 1862 01:37:19,991 --> 01:37:21,560 That's my brother. 1863 01:37:27,866 --> 01:37:30,868 But I guess, in a way, his death gave you something. 1864 01:37:32,069 --> 01:37:34,439 His death gave you something too. 1865 01:37:34,473 --> 01:37:35,908 It taught me a lot. 1866 01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:38,010 It gave me a better understanding 1867 01:37:38,042 --> 01:37:40,845 of my self-destruction, 1868 01:37:40,878 --> 01:37:45,050 what I was doing to other people. 1869 01:37:45,082 --> 01:37:46,617 I know there's somebody right now 1870 01:37:46,650 --> 01:37:49,087 and they feeling the same way about their brother. 1871 01:37:49,121 --> 01:37:50,889 You know what I'm saying? 1872 01:37:50,921 --> 01:37:54,826 And you know, I can't do nothing but apologize 1873 01:37:54,859 --> 01:37:57,729 for the way I lived, 1874 01:37:57,762 --> 01:37:58,906 and I'm trying to make it better. 1875 01:37:58,930 --> 01:38:02,067 I'm trying to help people. 1876 01:38:16,648 --> 01:38:19,518 Karma's a motherfucker. 1877 01:38:19,551 --> 01:38:22,621 And he's paying for it. 1878 01:38:22,653 --> 01:38:23,921 If you ever been to prison, 1879 01:38:23,954 --> 01:38:25,591 you ain't got nothing but time to think, 1880 01:38:25,623 --> 01:38:27,592 especially when you're sitting in that damn cell. 1881 01:38:27,626 --> 01:38:31,764 You gonna think about every one of those guys that's dead. 1882 01:38:31,796 --> 01:38:34,732 Your Big B's, your Herons, your Hen Dogs, 1883 01:38:34,765 --> 01:38:37,635 your Chias, your Buntrys. 1884 01:38:37,668 --> 01:38:39,570 You're gonna think about all of these guys 1885 01:38:39,604 --> 01:38:41,673 that lost their lives. 1886 01:38:50,148 --> 01:38:54,819 People felt freer to talk once Suge commenced his sentence. 1887 01:38:54,853 --> 01:38:58,524 Many of the people who witnessed Biggie's killing that night 1888 01:38:58,556 --> 01:39:00,958 have kept a secret for 24 years. 1889 01:39:00,992 --> 01:39:03,095 I didn't wanna do interviews for years. 1890 01:39:03,127 --> 01:39:04,896 It was dangerous. 1891 01:39:04,930 --> 01:39:06,999 It's dangerous to know anything. 1892 01:39:16,707 --> 01:39:20,112 I was there that night Biggie got killed, 1893 01:39:20,144 --> 01:39:23,581 and so were some of the LAPD officers we talked about. 1894 01:39:25,684 --> 01:39:30,055 I would put money on LAPD's involvement, you know? 1895 01:39:30,087 --> 01:39:31,989 They're all not on the force anymore, 1896 01:39:32,023 --> 01:39:34,159 so I guess it doesn't matter, but... 1897 01:39:34,192 --> 01:39:38,096 Did you see David Mack and Perez 1898 01:39:38,128 --> 01:39:39,931 at the event at the Petersen Motor... 1899 01:39:39,965 --> 01:39:41,766 They were all there. 1900 01:39:44,769 --> 01:39:46,472 Yes, they were there. 1901 01:39:46,505 --> 01:39:49,641 'Cause the LAPD now have sort of 1902 01:39:49,674 --> 01:39:51,909 come up with a whole other theory. 1903 01:39:51,943 --> 01:39:54,780 Mmm, outside of the police? 1904 01:39:54,813 --> 01:39:56,148 - Yeah. - I'm sure they did. 1905 01:39:56,180 --> 01:39:57,648 What's their theory? 1906 01:39:57,681 --> 01:40:01,586 That a gang member called Poochie 1907 01:40:01,619 --> 01:40:05,189 shot and killed Biggie. 1908 01:40:05,223 --> 01:40:08,060 You know, really it doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, 1909 01:40:08,092 --> 01:40:10,895 although I wouldn't agree with that, 1910 01:40:10,929 --> 01:40:12,898 but what I would say is 1911 01:40:12,930 --> 01:40:17,101 any gang member that was to shoot or kill Biggie 1912 01:40:17,135 --> 01:40:19,771 could have only done so 1913 01:40:19,804 --> 01:40:22,207 with police involvement and support. 1914 01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:23,908 It would have been impossible. 1915 01:40:23,942 --> 01:40:26,278 They were everywhere. 1916 01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:29,180 It was... you don't have an event 1917 01:40:29,213 --> 01:40:32,050 that's a party after the Soul Train Awards, 1918 01:40:32,082 --> 01:40:35,186 and especially in LA and there's that many Black people, 1919 01:40:35,220 --> 01:40:37,021 and you think the police aren't everywhere? 1920 01:40:37,055 --> 01:40:38,223 They're everywhere. 1921 01:40:38,256 --> 01:40:39,858 Didn't work that way. 1922 01:40:39,890 --> 01:40:44,128 So there has to be compliance. 1923 01:40:44,162 --> 01:40:47,799 They were, they were complicit in everything that happened 1924 01:40:47,832 --> 01:40:51,570 that had to do with Death Row. 1925 01:40:51,603 --> 01:40:55,107 I hold the police department responsible for so much. 1926 01:41:06,150 --> 01:41:07,552 Word up. 1927 01:41:07,586 --> 01:41:08,820 - Ready, n♪♪♪♪? - Yeah. 1928 01:41:08,853 --> 01:41:10,822 Ready for that raw dog shit, n♪♪♪♪? 1929 01:41:11,989 --> 01:41:14,126 Okay, all right. 1930 01:41:14,158 --> 01:41:16,161 Let me see how my head should win. 1931 01:41:16,193 --> 01:41:17,728 You want to set it off? 1932 01:41:17,761 --> 01:41:19,898 Man, I'm scared to do some freestyle. 1933 01:41:36,348 --> 01:41:37,582 Biggie didn't give a fuck. 1934 01:41:37,616 --> 01:41:39,751 Tupac didn't give a fuck. 1935 01:41:39,783 --> 01:41:43,087 It's fucked up that the cause of their deaths 1936 01:41:43,121 --> 01:41:45,724 is behind the pettiest shit on the planet. 1937 01:41:55,934 --> 01:41:57,034 They were buddy-buddies. 1938 01:41:57,068 --> 01:41:59,838 They were, they were street buddies. 1939 01:41:59,871 --> 01:42:02,373 At the time of Tupac's death, 1940 01:42:02,407 --> 01:42:04,676 I think they were still buddies, 1941 01:42:04,708 --> 01:42:08,813 because when I told my son that Tupac died, 1942 01:42:08,846 --> 01:42:10,881 I could see the pain in his eyes. 1943 01:42:14,818 --> 01:42:17,154 It sometimes brings me to tears 1944 01:42:17,188 --> 01:42:19,324 just thinking about what could have been. 1945 01:42:19,357 --> 01:42:23,761 Where would we be right now if they both were alive? 1946 01:42:23,795 --> 01:42:25,364 The world lost someone 1947 01:42:25,396 --> 01:42:29,033 that could have made quite a difference. 1948 01:42:34,104 --> 01:42:36,707 Hey, that's what I'm talking about. 149420

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