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[Amber] Johnny is an icon,
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yes, but more than that,
he's a good person.
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He's smart.
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He's fiercely, fiercely
intelligent and very creative.
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And working with him,
I really do see why he is the icon that he is.
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[Johnny] Meeting an actress like Amber Heard was.
.. was just a dream come true.
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He's brilliant at his job
and he's kind of mastered
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the Hollywood machine
and done so in his own way.
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And I think that
I would be silly not to take advice from him,
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and he's been very generous.
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I also have to thank my wife,
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Amber, for...
for putting up with me,
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for living with
all these characters...
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[chuckles]
...which can't be easy.
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[reporter 1] She said he beat
her up, he choked her, headbutted her,
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kicked her
on 14 different occasions.
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[reporter 2] In a story
about him and his then wife, Amber Heard,
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a U.K. newspaper called
Johnny Depp "a wife beater".
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Amber was stuck
in a relationship that actually seems nothing
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short of a nightmare.
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A lot of the case
on behalf of Johnny Depp
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was that Amber Heard
was lying.
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Somebody had to be lying.
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Either Johnny Depp was lying
or Amber Heard was lying.
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So,
credibility was really key.
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[Amber speaking]
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He grabbed...
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He grabs my head,
takes a fistful of my hair and says,
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"I hit your eye?
I hit your eye, huh?
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Let me see your eye."
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He pulled her by the hair
so hard that clumps of her hair
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were actually removed.
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Are you crazy?
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[Amber] Have you drunk
this whole thing this morning?
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[Johnny]
Oh, you get this going?
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- You got this going?
- [Amber] No, I just started it.
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[Johnny] Motherfucker!
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Motherfucker!
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[song playing]
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[narrator] At the high court
in London,
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the Hollywood actor
Johnny Depp is suing The Sun newspaper
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and its executive editor,
Dan Wootton.
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[reporter 3]
As the actor faces 14 domestic violence
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allegations against him
from his ex-wife, Amber Heard.
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[reporter 4] And The Sun newspaper
claims that he was "a wife beater".
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He's now suing the newspaper
for 39 million pounds.
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[Minnie] It was difficult not to have
a huge amount of empathy for Amber Heard,
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you know,
with this immense pressure.
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And for her to have to relive
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some of the most
difficult moments of her life
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in a case that
she never wanted to happen.
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It was Johnny Depp that
brought the libel action against The Sun.
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And with it, it brought up
some of the most harrowing moments of her life.
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And you couldn't help
but feel sorry for her.
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I traveled here to the UK
to testify as a witness to assist the court.
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I did not file this lawsuit,
and despite its significance...
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I would have preferred
not to be here in court.
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[Melanie] For Amber to come out when
she did and talk about her experience
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to go against
the Hollywood system,
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to go against her spouse,
who was much more famous
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and had a bigger voice
than her,
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even though people were
telling her
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that she was lying
and not believing her,
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took a lot of courage.
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[Amber] It has been
incredibly painful
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to have my motives,
my truth questioned.
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I stand by my testimony
and I now place my faith in British justice.
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[indistinct crowd chatter]
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[crowd booing]
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[Minnie] There was
a huge amount of inherent misogyny
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around the courtroom.
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I think there was
a feeling that, you know,
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why would Johnny Depp
take Amber Heard to court?
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He doesn't need this.
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You know,
he's got everything he needs.
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Why would he unless
she was lying?
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And it was said
by some people,
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you know, why didn't
Amber Heard leave earlier.
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Why did she then go on
to marry Johnny Depp
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when she had been victim
to abuse?
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She then stayed with him
for two more years.
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As we know, in abusive relationships,
people become entrapped.
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It's very classic to not be
able to leave your abuser.
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But there were definitely
problematic opinions
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surrounding this trial.
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[indistinct shouting]
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[Minnie] There were even,
you know, feminists saying
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it's for all the other women
that are telling the truth,
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this case might do
loads of damage.
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You know,
there were lots of women
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who were out to get
Amber Heard.
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You know, she was
in a very difficult situation.
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[indistinct chattering]
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[Minnie] Amber Heard
was an incredibly beautiful,
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famous young woman
whose star was rising.
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But now she was up against
the force and the might of
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one of the biggest megastars
in the world.
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It was clear this case
might do loads of damage to her career.
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[Sasha] Over the period of
my career,
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I have been involved
in defending
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and prosecuting cases
of domestic violence,
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which range from, what unfortunately
is termed as low-level assaults,
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although they're very serious
to the people suffering them, to murder.
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This case involves not just
one incident of domestic violence.
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This case involves
14 pleaded cases
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over a course of years.
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My job in this case
was to prove a pattern of abusive behavior.
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Many cases of
domestic violence amount to, he said, she said.
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But the Depp case is unusual
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in that there is
so much supporting evidence.
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And he's got me
by the hair and...
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[Sasha] Throughout
the three-year period of the abuse allegations,
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Ms. Heard would record
what was happening to her at the time.
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[Johnny] Motherfucker!
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Motherfucker!
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[Amber] It happened...
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[objects clattering]
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[Sasha] There were photographs
of her injuries.
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There were medical records.
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Texts to her mother
and her friends.
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Diary entries
in effect on email.
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So you have a document
that is timed and dated.
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And there was
the text messages.
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We have the story told
by the texts themselves.
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And it tells a story
that it's very difficult to contradict.
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[crowd cheering]
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[Minnie] David Sherborne,
who represents Johnny Depp,
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is one of the most
famous barristers in the world.
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He has represented
Princess Diana, Elton John, the Beckhams.
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He is also the man that
celebrities go to when they're in crisis.
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He has a sort of debonair,
smooth energy about him,
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and he was always
by Johnny Depp's side.
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You got the impression
that they got on very well.
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The lot of the case
on behalf of Johnny Depp
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was that Amber Heard
was lying.
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Somebody had to be lying.
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Either Johnny Depp was lying
or Amber Heard was lying.
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So credibility was really key.
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And there were a number
of ways in which we said
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it was obvious to the court
that Amber Heard was lying.
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And that was very important
to our case.
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It happened before
I was involved in the case
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that a very large number of
text communications
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from Johnny Depp to, um,
a number of other people
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were provided by mistake
to the defendant,
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to the newspaper
by his former solicitors.
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The defendants were
able then to pore over
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a very large number
of communications.
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[Sasha] The story
the texts tell is that drugs,
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alcohol and regret and apology
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played a very large part
in their relationship
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and that supported her account
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and didn't support
his account.
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I mean, those text messages
were his downfall.
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[Sasha] In March 2013,
they had an argument
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which became
a violent argument.
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Mr. Depp had spent some time
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at Ms. Heard's place of
residence at the time.
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He was under the influence
of drink or drugs
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and photographs existed
of what he was taking
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and putting up his nose.
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Mr. Depp had lined up cocaine,
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been drinking whiskey
all night,
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really been
extremely inebriated.
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Mr. Depp took objection
to a painting
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done by
Ms. Heard's ex-partner,
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which Ms. Heard used to
hang on the back of her bedroom wall.
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Mr. Depp was jealous.
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Mr. Depp tried to set fire
to the painting with his cigarette lighter.
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And when she tried
to stop him,
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he hit her
with the back of his hand.
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Amber Heard gave a very graphic
account of how she said it happened,
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but was unable
when she was challenged
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to really explain some of
the... of the details of it.
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[Sasha] Amber Heard sent
a series of texts
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describing the violence
that she had suffered at the hands of Mr. Depp.
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"JD fell off the wagon
last night, hardcore.
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He's on hour 24
of a major binge.
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Trying to escape here
soon though
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and will head over to yours."
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Ms. Heard texted her
mother saying,
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"He's nuts mom.
Violent and crazy.
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I'm heartbroken
that THIS is who I love."
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There were other incidents
in March, several incidents in March.
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And there were further texts
describing the violence
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that she had suffered
at the hands of Mr. Depp.
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Ms. Heard took photographs
of her injuries.
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What is apparent
from the texts
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is there was a wealth of
evidence supporting Ms. Heard's claim
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that she was
beaten by Mr. Depp.
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[Minnie] What many people
had assumed is that,
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you know, there was
a honeymoon period
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and that Johnny Depp
had charmed and been amazing at the beginning
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and Amber Heard
had fallen in love.
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What we realized by observing
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the trial is that
actually there had been
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a very short period of
love bombing of Amber Heard.
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And that very, very early on,
Amber Heard said
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that the abuse
and the jealousy
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and the coercive control
had begun.
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[Melanie]
The Amber and Johnny relationship is about power.
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It's about power imbalance.
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Johnny was a lot more famous.
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While on the outside,
they look like this fairy tale A-list couple,
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was actually very,
very dark behind the scenes.
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And Amber was stuck
in a relationship
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that actually seems
nothing short of a nightmare.
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I'm an old curmudgeon
and I don't get wowed very easy by actors.
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And Amber didn't wow me.
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I thought she had potential.
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As I got to know her,
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I thought she had
special insights.
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I thought she had
a seriousness and she had determination.
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This is a storage unit
with a lot of stuff from my past.
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Acclaim had a lot of people
in this movie.
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That's one of the few
I was proud of.
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And so, we got
a lot of actors' work.
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See, there's a Rolling Stone
with Margot Kidder who...
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Oh! Amber Heard right here.
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The early contracts.
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Warner Brothers,
one of her first contracts.
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$745 a day, plus 10%.
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Amber was determined
and serious.
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So, she didn't start out
that savvy.
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She started out wanting to
go to LA and start a career.
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There's one for you.
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Even at 16,
she had penetrating eyes.
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A little bit later,
there she's about 18.
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She's not giving you that
fake glam stuff.
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I thought, this girl has it.
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She has what it
takes to make it.
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[Melanie] From the outside,
it kind of looked like
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she has this like
picture-perfect childhood.
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Her father worked with horses,
so she ended up riding horses a lot as a child
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and loves being around animals
and being in nature.
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What we now know, though,
about that childhood
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is that her father
was an alcoholic,
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that he had
a very difficult relationship with her mother,
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and that it wasn't
a great experience for her.
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In fact,
it was quite traumatic.
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When she got
into her teenage years,
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she actually ended up modeling
and that's, kind of, how she made money.
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[Jeffrey] Talent scouts would
come from Milan.
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They liked Amber.
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She had a good look,
but she was a half inch too short.
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And I said,
"But maybe you can act."
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What the fuck
were you thinking?
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- Thought it'd be funny?
- No, I thought...
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What was that...
I was gonna be fucking cute?
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And then when she was 17,
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she got her first film role in
a B-movie called Side Effects.
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Look, you don't actually
believe this guy, do you?
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You should call the cops.
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All right.
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We knew
we were making a low budget horror film,
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and so we thought, well,
we just need a really good looking cast.
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- You sick fuck.
- No.
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[Patrick] And she was
very natural.
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See, there's blood dye
underneath her fingernails.
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She was, you know, funny,
and that had a really positive outlook.
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And that's a huge thing.
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You know, when you're doing
something for no budget,
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we're not gonna have trailers
and, you know,
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everybody's gonna have to
be a team and work together
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and be able to deal
with a lot of long hours.
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She's smart, she's sharp,
she's witty.
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She makes you feel
comfortable.
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Anybody that
makes you feel comfortable
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you want to work with
because, you know,
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you kind of wanna trust
the people
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that you're working with.
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Amber was just
my friend's sister.
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So, when we went out,
she would come
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and, you know,
we'd all hang out.
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And... she's gorgeous,
she's just as beautiful.
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And she would walk in a room
and just light up the room
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and just tons of friends
and super outgoing and super charismatic.
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[man 1] Hi, we're here
with Amber Heard.
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Hi.
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[man 1] And you're here
with your movie The Informers.
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Yes.
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[man 1] Um, this is your
first time at Sundance?
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Yes.
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This is my first time
at a film festival at all
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with a movie that I worked on.
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And, um, what better place
to start than Sundance.
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In 2008, Amber met
Tasya van Ree, her girlfriend,
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and they had this
very long relationship.
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And Amber was very,
very much in love.
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In 2009, of course,
is when Johnny met Amber Heard,
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and that's when he made
The Rum Diary.
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He was a producer
on that film as well,
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and it was a film
that he took very, very seriously.
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And Amber Heard
was cast in it,
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and that pairing,
that meeting is,
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you know, part of the story of
where we are today.
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Johnny was with
Vanessa Paradis, his partner at that point,
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and Amber was with
Tasya van Ree, her girlfriend.
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She says that
he doggedly pursued her.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Johnny] Amber is so good.
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And she's...
she's such a sweet kid,
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you know,
she's such a great girl.
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We just sort of, you know,
tried to laugh it off, you know.
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He's...
he's such a pleasure.
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He's such a pleasure
to work with.
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He's... he's even better than
I could have imagined him to be
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which is saying something.
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[woman 1] Johnny!
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[cheering]
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[man 2] Johnny,
are you dating Amber Heard?
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[woman 2] He and Amber
are now an item.
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She actually broke up
with her girlfriend.
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You know,
when Amber and Johnny first came out as a couple,
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Johnny was the biggest
movie star in the world.
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The first time that I met him,
I'll never forget this.
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We were at this, like,
very fancy restaurant.
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He's sitting opposite me.
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And then he like
reaches in his bag
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and starts rolling cigarettes
on the table.
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He didn't even order anything
on the menu.
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He just, like,
grabbed some snacks, like, from his bag
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when we were all just ord...
eating like three or four-course meals.
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He's just like snacking.
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I mean, older guy,
hot young girl.
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I mean, it's not like
a crazy, uh, thing
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to have happened in Hollywood,
especially.
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[Melanie] You know,
I think it's kind of been surprising to us that
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the abuse between
Johnny and Amber started
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just a year after
they got together.
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They were together
for that whole time,
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we thought,
in this perfect relationship,
333
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and then A-list marriage.
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And actually things
weren't great for them.
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It was actually very,
very dark behind the scenes.
336
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There was definitely
a sense that, you know,
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this age gap between
Amber Heard and Johnny Depp
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was an issue
in the relationship.
339
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He had real problems with
Amber Heard being a very beautiful,
340
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successful woman
that her star was rising
341
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and that Johnny Depp
wanted to be the only star in the house.
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He wanted to contain her
and control her.
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And when
he couldn't control her,
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he would go
into violent rages.
345
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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In May 2014,
Mr. Depp chartered a plane
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to take himself
and Ms. Heard back to LA.
348
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Um, her account was that
he was paralytically drunk
349
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and drugged up and had taken
serious quantities of drugs.
350
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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[woman on radio]
Prepare to take off.
352
00:22:04,833 --> 00:22:06,773
[indistinct radio chatter]
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Johnny had always been jealous
of Amber's relationships with men and women,
354
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so whenever she would
go out with girlfriends or guy friends,
355
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there was always something
in the back of his head that made him anxious,
356
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that made him uncomfortable,
357
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where he just became
very jealous
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and very paranoid
about what was going on.
359
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She had been filming
in New York
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with an actor called
James Franco.
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He was a much younger man,
much closer in age to Ms. Heard.
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[director] Cut.
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And Mr. Depp was very jealous
of James Franco.
364
00:22:46,528 --> 00:22:48,066
You know, we were
kind of thrown into it.
365
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I mean, you know,
with a movie like this, it's like, you know,
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you know what the script is.
367
00:22:52,733 --> 00:22:56,403
And it's like inevitably,
you have, you know,
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some intimate scene
for your very first scene.
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Fortunately, we were cool.
370
00:23:01,733 --> 00:23:05,373
- At least we got thrown
in the deep end there. - Yeah, yeah.
371
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,130
- Yeah.
- It was the first scene.
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Yeah, but it's the easy way.
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I guess it helped break
the ice.
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[Sasha] And from the time
he was on the plane,
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he was raging at her,
calling her offensive words,
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um,
hit her one occasion over...
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slapped her across the face
and kicked her in the back.
378
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The evidence of the people
on board was very clear
379
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that they had had an argument
that it had been started by Amber Heard.
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It was Amber Heard
who stands up.
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She goes to the toilet.
382
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And I think
Johnny Depp went playfully
383
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to put a foot out
just to tap her.
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All the people who saw it said
he didn't make contact,
385
00:23:50,428 --> 00:23:52,966
and the suggestion
he could some how have done all the things
386
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she says just
couldn't have happened.
387
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[Sasha] His account was that
he was well-behaved on the plane.
388
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,300
He had been sketching
in his sketchbook, which he liked to do.
389
00:24:06,333 --> 00:24:12,433
Um, unfortunately for Mr. Depp,
his texts tell a very different story.
390
00:24:12,467 --> 00:24:15,827
Mr. Depp himself wrote, um,
391
00:24:15,867 --> 00:24:19,627
a text to one of
his actor friends.
392
00:24:19,667 --> 00:24:22,467
"I'm going to properly stop
the booze thing, darling.
393
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:23,870
Drank all night
394
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before I picked Amber up
to fly to LA this past Sunday.
395
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Ugly, mate.
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00:24:29,067 --> 00:24:33,127
No food for days, powders,
half a bottle of whiskey,
397
00:24:33,167 --> 00:24:35,427
a thousand Red Bull
and vodkas, pills,
398
00:24:35,467 --> 00:24:37,967
two bottles of champers
on the plane.
399
00:24:38,067 --> 00:24:39,497
And what do you get?
400
00:24:39,533 --> 00:24:42,773
An angry aggro Injun
in a fucking blackout,
401
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,930
screaming obscenities
and insulting any fuck who got near."
402
00:24:48,533 --> 00:24:53,133
And then, um,
went to the bathroom, toilet,
403
00:24:53,167 --> 00:24:55,217
the back of the plane
where he passed out.
404
00:24:57,633 --> 00:25:04,103
[Johnny groaning]
405
00:25:04,133 --> 00:25:06,833
[Sasha] So,
a very different story from the account
406
00:25:06,867 --> 00:25:09,897
that he was quietly sketching
on the plane.
407
00:25:09,898 --> 00:25:11,399
After listening
to the recording,
408
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,770
Mr. Depp said
he didn't recognize himself.
409
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,930
It sounded more like
an animal in pain.
410
00:25:16,967 --> 00:25:19,567
It's alleged that before
he blacked out,
411
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,400
he called Amber Heard
a slut and a whore
412
00:25:22,433 --> 00:25:24,603
before slapping her
across the face
413
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and kicking her in the back.
414
00:25:26,567 --> 00:25:30,167
When there
was another allegation of violence.
415
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,200
There were exchanges
between Mr. Depp and one of his friends
416
00:25:35,233 --> 00:25:37,633
about the rather
unpleasant things
417
00:25:37,667 --> 00:25:40,897
they fantasized about doing
to Ms. Heard.
418
00:25:40,933 --> 00:25:44,273
[cell phone beeping]
419
00:25:50,584 --> 00:25:53,899
The details of
this relationship
420
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,770
really kind of paint a picture
of a nightmare, really.
421
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,066
Two people that
we thought were in love,
422
00:25:59,067 --> 00:26:02,297
but we now know
because of the testimony in the high court
423
00:26:02,333 --> 00:26:06,203
that there was
a lot of violence against Amber Heard
424
00:26:06,233 --> 00:26:08,333
and that it was
an incredibly,
425
00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:10,627
incredibly
traumatic experience.
426
00:26:12,533 --> 00:26:17,973
[Amber speaking]
427
00:26:27,967 --> 00:26:30,127
[Johnny speaking]
428
00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:39,203
One of the stranger practices
of both, Ms. Heard and Mr. Depp,
429
00:26:39,233 --> 00:26:45,403
is that they would have
an argument and record it.
430
00:26:45,433 --> 00:26:48,303
And the idea was that
they could learn from this.
431
00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:53,833
It was regarded as part of
their marriage guidance therapy.
432
00:26:53,867 --> 00:27:00,497
[Amber speaking]
433
00:27:00,533 --> 00:27:02,433
[Johnny speaking]
434
00:27:16,464 --> 00:27:21,932
There is this kind of
simplified view with Hollywood,
435
00:27:21,933 --> 00:27:26,573
which is that the person that,
you know in the public eye
436
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,170
is the same person
that you think they are in private, too.
437
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,100
How could this person
that I've grown up to love,
438
00:27:33,133 --> 00:27:35,433
whether it's on my TV screen
or in movies,
439
00:27:35,467 --> 00:27:38,797
be anything other than
the characters that they play.
440
00:27:38,833 --> 00:27:42,173
To them, Johnny Depp
is this amazing, famous,
441
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,830
beautiful man that
they're used to seeing on film
442
00:27:44,867 --> 00:27:46,827
and they have fallen
in love with.
443
00:27:46,867 --> 00:27:50,397
There is no way that he can
possibly be the person that
444
00:27:50,433 --> 00:27:54,873
Amber Heard has said he is or the
person that The Sun reported him to be.
445
00:27:56,533 --> 00:28:02,173
[Johnny speaking]
446
00:28:06,233 --> 00:28:10,603
[Amber speaking]
447
00:28:13,398 --> 00:28:18,099
[Minnie] There was a lot of
psychological abuse
448
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:19,332
that weren't necessarily
449
00:28:19,333 --> 00:28:21,333
just the blood
and the violence
450
00:28:21,367 --> 00:28:23,867
and all of them
very graphic signs of abuse.
451
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:27,066
There was also some
much more subtle controlling
452
00:28:27,067 --> 00:28:29,717
levels of his personality,
which are demonstrated.
453
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,130
[Johnny speaking]
454
00:28:33,167 --> 00:28:34,267
[Amber speaking]
455
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:40,500
[Johnny speaking]
456
00:28:40,533 --> 00:28:44,403
- [Amber speaking]
- [Johnny] Cut me.
457
00:28:44,404 --> 00:28:46,232
- [Amber speaking]
- [Johnny speaking]
458
00:28:46,233 --> 00:28:49,633
- [Amber speaking]
- [Johnny] Cut...
459
00:28:49,667 --> 00:28:52,567
- [Amber speaking]
- [Johnny groaning]
460
00:28:52,568 --> 00:28:54,232
- [Amber speaking]
- [Johnny speaking]
461
00:28:54,233 --> 00:28:57,303
[Amber speaking]
462
00:28:57,333 --> 00:28:58,503
[Johnny speaking]
463
00:28:58,533 --> 00:29:03,073
- [Amber speaking]
- [Johnny] [bleep]
464
00:29:03,074 --> 00:29:04,599
In the press,
there was definitely,
465
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,570
you know, a lot of reporting
of the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard trial as,
466
00:29:08,571 --> 00:29:10,832
you know, they were just
in a very tempestuous relationship.
467
00:29:10,833 --> 00:29:14,333
It was a toxic pairing,
and that's a dangerous road to go down
468
00:29:14,334 --> 00:29:17,066
because it abdicates
Johnny Depp of any responsibility
469
00:29:17,067 --> 00:29:20,267
and it also washes away
this idea that he's a domestic abuser.
470
00:29:25,333 --> 00:29:28,233
In December 2015,
471
00:29:28,267 --> 00:29:33,227
Mr. Depp came to the Eastern Columbia
building where Ms. Heard was living.
472
00:29:33,267 --> 00:29:36,167
They had an argument.
473
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:42,600
He, uh, uh, started becoming
physically violent towards Ms. Heard,
474
00:29:42,633 --> 00:29:45,533
which became
a violent argument.
475
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:54,800
And he wrote graffiti
on the kitchen surface.
476
00:29:54,833 --> 00:29:57,433
"Why be a fraud?"
"All is bullshit."
477
00:29:57,467 --> 00:30:02,597
He threw her onto a bed
throwing himself on top of her
478
00:30:02,633 --> 00:30:06,233
breaking the frame of the bed.
479
00:30:06,267 --> 00:30:08,797
He pulled her by the hair
480
00:30:08,833 --> 00:30:14,633
so hard that clumps of
her hair were actually removed
481
00:30:14,667 --> 00:30:16,927
or part of her scalp
with reddening
482
00:30:16,967 --> 00:30:18,967
where hair had been removed.
483
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,100
And in fact seen on the floor
and photographed later by her.
484
00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:28,703
During the course of this,
headbutted Ms. Heard
485
00:30:28,733 --> 00:30:33,433
and injuries
that she had afterwards, which were photographed.
486
00:30:37,167 --> 00:30:42,427
A cut to her lip, um,
and a, um, bilateral bruising,
487
00:30:42,467 --> 00:30:46,967
which is photographed
at various times coming up,
488
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,100
um, which is consistent
with a bang to the nose or a headbutt.
489
00:30:53,167 --> 00:30:59,297
Um, and these photographs
were taken on the day and on the day afterwards.
490
00:30:59,333 --> 00:31:02,373
Ms. Heard had to go on
to a chat show
491
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,230
the following day
and had said to her publicist
492
00:31:07,267 --> 00:31:08,867
she might
not be able to attend
493
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,810
because she said she'd had an accident
rather than that she had been beaten up.
494
00:31:17,464 --> 00:31:21,699
[James] In the movie,
you play a ballerina.
495
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:22,900
Did you...
496
00:31:22,933 --> 00:31:26,573
did you study ballet,
did you already do it?
497
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,700
No.
498
00:31:27,701 --> 00:31:30,132
[Sasha] She did appear
on the James Corden show.
499
00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:32,503
Makeup was applied
to her face,
500
00:31:32,533 --> 00:31:36,773
and the makeup disguised
the injuries.
501
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,900
The makeup artist
did give evidence
502
00:31:39,933 --> 00:31:42,473
and she said
what she had seen,
503
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,070
which was bilateral bruising,
504
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:49,100
a cut to the lip
and swelling around the eyes.
505
00:31:50,933 --> 00:31:53,303
So,
there was supporting evidence,
506
00:31:53,333 --> 00:31:55,833
all of which fitted in
with her account.
507
00:31:55,938 --> 00:32:00,966
[Minnie] And then in the court
was played a recording of
508
00:32:00,967 --> 00:32:02,166
Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.
509
00:32:02,167 --> 00:32:04,797
And in that recording,
Johnny Depp concedes
510
00:32:04,833 --> 00:32:07,733
that he did actually
headbutt Amber Heard.
511
00:32:07,767 --> 00:32:10,827
[Johnny speaking]
512
00:32:10,867 --> 00:32:14,867
[Amber speaking]
513
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:17,400
Then that is a hugely
shocking moment in a trial
514
00:32:17,433 --> 00:32:19,903
where he basically says
he wasn't violent at all.
515
00:32:19,933 --> 00:32:23,903
Here comes a moment
when Sasha Wass QC dissects him at the stand.
516
00:32:23,933 --> 00:32:27,503
This is a masterclass
in cross-examination.
517
00:32:27,533 --> 00:32:31,173
He had always denied
causing her any injury.
518
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,500
And then we have
a complete about turn in his evidence
519
00:32:34,533 --> 00:32:37,073
when he accepted
he was responsible,
520
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:41,600
he accepted that
he headbutted her, but said it was an accident.
521
00:32:41,601 --> 00:32:46,466
[Minnie] And in the court of
public opinion and in the high court,
522
00:32:46,467 --> 00:32:48,397
this was a moment
you could see
523
00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:51,473
where a lot of sympathy
was directed towards Amber Heard.
524
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:56,230
[indistinct shouting]
525
00:32:59,267 --> 00:33:00,967
[reporters clamoring]
526
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:06,203
[Sasha]
After he headbutted her,
527
00:33:06,233 --> 00:33:10,633
she started
divorce proceedings almost immediately
528
00:33:10,667 --> 00:33:14,667
and she went to get
a domestic violence restraining order.
529
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:18,630
[Minnie] You could visibly see
that she had bruises on the side of her face.
530
00:33:18,631 --> 00:33:20,066
[Melanie]
Johnny and Amber's marriage
531
00:33:20,067 --> 00:33:23,067
was a massive strain
for the American press in general.
532
00:33:23,068 --> 00:33:25,299
You know, they had seemed like
this perfect couple.
533
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:26,499
[reporter 5]
How are you feeling?
534
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,066
[reporter 6] Amber,
how are you feeling?
535
00:33:28,067 --> 00:33:31,677
[Melanie] And then it completely
exploded, everything had gone wrong.
536
00:33:33,067 --> 00:33:36,867
I was completely bombarded
on social media by fans of Johnny
537
00:33:36,900 --> 00:33:39,970
telling me that
Amber was a gold-digger.
538
00:33:40,067 --> 00:33:43,127
[reporter 7] Depp is worth
an estimated $400 million
539
00:33:43,167 --> 00:33:46,897
and the couple reportedly
did not have a prenuptial agreement.
540
00:33:46,933 --> 00:33:50,066
And then when I saw
the pictures of her face,
541
00:33:50,067 --> 00:33:51,927
I felt really, really
sad for her.
542
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,130
When you see evidence,
it can be incredibly heartbreaking.
543
00:33:58,167 --> 00:34:02,097
It just reminds you that there is
this visual receipt of what has happened.
544
00:34:02,098 --> 00:34:05,699
And it just made me
really, really sad
545
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,930
that somebody had the courage
to come out and speak about it,
546
00:34:08,967 --> 00:34:12,167
but then had been called
a liar immediately.
547
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,800
She is a woman that literally
just thinks the world will believe her
548
00:34:15,833 --> 00:34:17,173
because she's a woman.
549
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,400
Do I feel that she is
550
00:34:19,433 --> 00:34:23,173
a victim of a physical,
abusive relationship?
551
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,930
No. I don't feel that at all.
552
00:34:25,967 --> 00:34:30,867
[Amber speaking]
553
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:32,070
[bleep]
554
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,200
On or around the time of
the actual divorce,
555
00:35:11,233 --> 00:35:16,903
Mr. Depp wrote
a series of... vile texts...
556
00:35:19,233 --> 00:35:24,533
describing her in
really very misogynistic terms
557
00:35:24,567 --> 00:35:30,066
and vowing that
he was going to damage her,
558
00:35:30,067 --> 00:35:31,467
if not destroy her.
559
00:35:49,167 --> 00:35:54,427
My company focuses on
disinformation online, targeted attacks.
560
00:35:54,467 --> 00:35:59,297
And so, we're kind of like
online investigators for celebrities
561
00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:01,073
and high-profile figures.
562
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:06,130
Early 2020, we were contacted
to look at activity on Twitter
563
00:36:06,167 --> 00:36:08,727
and we were able to determine
564
00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:12,397
close to 6,000 fake
or inauthentic accounts
565
00:36:12,433 --> 00:36:15,703
that were targeting Ms. Heard,
Amber Heard.
566
00:36:15,733 --> 00:36:21,066
Definitely the smear campaign,
definitely the coordinated influence campaign,
567
00:36:21,067 --> 00:36:23,427
really didn't have
to be a pro to see it.
568
00:36:23,467 --> 00:36:26,267
If you just looked
at the tweets and see that,
569
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:30,230
hey, this account within
10 minutes tweeted 30 times
570
00:36:30,267 --> 00:36:33,867
or so that Amber Heard
is an abuser.
571
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,630
Amber Heard is a gold-digger.
Amber Heard is a slut.
572
00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:38,667
And that's
all this account is doing.
573
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:42,270
And then you amplify
that with dozens of other accounts doing
574
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,500
the same exact thing.
575
00:36:44,533 --> 00:36:49,473
And it appeared to us
that it wasn't just some disgruntled fans,
576
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,570
you know, banding together
to attack Ms. Heard.
577
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,970
It was a targeted operation,
578
00:36:56,067 --> 00:36:58,367
and it was one of
the most sophisticated
579
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,530
online targeted attacks
we had seen.
580
00:37:06,571 --> 00:37:10,366
[Minnie] Leading up
to the judgment,
581
00:37:10,367 --> 00:37:13,732
definitely the court of
public opinion and the journalists outside,
582
00:37:13,733 --> 00:37:15,903
and, you know,
swathes of people
583
00:37:15,933 --> 00:37:18,803
started to start to
believe Johnny Depp's side.
584
00:37:18,833 --> 00:37:22,973
You know, I don't think
people were entirely convinced by Amber Heard.
585
00:37:23,067 --> 00:37:26,327
When we see these tabloids,
we really need to think and reflect,
586
00:37:26,367 --> 00:37:29,627
is this true
or is this not true?
587
00:37:29,628 --> 00:37:33,666
[Sasha] There were assertions
being made about Ms. Heard, about her character,
588
00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:37,297
about her reliability,
about her integrity.
589
00:37:37,333 --> 00:37:40,073
Ms. Heard was a fantasist.
She was a liar.
590
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:42,530
She was a drunk.
She was a drug addict.
591
00:37:42,567 --> 00:37:49,367
She was a promiscuous woman,
so that her character was, in effect, destroyed.
592
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,070
I've watched every...
every blog, every Twitter,
593
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,800
every YouTube figure,
every paper.
594
00:37:55,833 --> 00:37:57,703
Yeah, there's not much
I have missed.
595
00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:01,433
There's absolutely no evidence
596
00:38:01,467 --> 00:38:03,627
towards her
so-called evidence.
597
00:38:03,667 --> 00:38:05,927
Oh, I think
she's very, very deceitful.
598
00:38:05,967 --> 00:38:08,066
Very, I think
she's manipulated it,
599
00:38:08,067 --> 00:38:11,127
the whole situation
very, very well.
600
00:38:11,167 --> 00:38:15,167
[woman 3] You are a piece of
human garbage! Get hit by a truck, Amber.
601
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,730
[camera shutter clicking]
602
00:38:18,733 --> 00:38:22,503
[reporters clamoring]
603
00:38:22,533 --> 00:38:25,066
I don't think
he did this, personally.
604
00:38:25,067 --> 00:38:27,327
This can only go now
in Johnny Depp's favor.
605
00:38:42,238 --> 00:38:46,466
[reporter 8]
And now the relationship ends
606
00:38:46,467 --> 00:38:49,297
as it began
with the world watching on.
607
00:38:49,298 --> 00:38:52,866
[reporter 9]
Whoever emerges the winner,
608
00:38:52,867 --> 00:38:55,227
there's been a lot of
dirty laundry aired
609
00:38:55,267 --> 00:38:58,897
and a lot of damage done to
reputations on both sides.
610
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:02,633
[man 4]
Johnny, we love you!
611
00:39:02,667 --> 00:39:06,797
[Minnie] You had
a huge army of fans that supported Johnny Depp.
612
00:39:06,833 --> 00:39:10,133
[cheering]
613
00:39:12,767 --> 00:39:16,897
[Minnie] For Amber,
the fans were definitely much harder to find.
614
00:39:16,933 --> 00:39:19,133
[crowd booing]
615
00:39:19,167 --> 00:39:21,937
There were no fans for
Amber Heard outside of the court.
616
00:39:21,938 --> 00:39:24,299
[Melanie]
For Amber to go to court
617
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:27,700
when she had been
absolutely harassed by the Johnny fans
618
00:39:27,733 --> 00:39:30,573
and then also being
a victim of a smear campaign
619
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,530
in the press took
a lot of bravery.
620
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:53,100
Johnny Depp
has lost his fight with a British tabloid.
621
00:39:53,133 --> 00:39:55,303
A London court sided
with the paper,
622
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:59,673
saying that the 2018 headline
that read Johnny was a wife beater was true.
623
00:39:59,674 --> 00:40:01,599
[reporter 10] Judge
Mr. Justice Nicol found that
624
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,370
twelve of the fourteen
alleged incidents of domestic violence were,
625
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,070
in his words,
substantially true.
626
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:11,430
Johnny Depp lost
his libel case against The Sun.
627
00:40:11,467 --> 00:40:15,327
Just when you saw that
flash up on Sky News and BBC News,
628
00:40:15,367 --> 00:40:18,067
there was huge kind of gasps.
629
00:40:18,068 --> 00:40:20,099
The judge said that
Amber Heard was no angel,
630
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,070
but that she was the victim
of an abuser.
631
00:40:23,071 --> 00:40:25,032
And this was
an earth-shattering moment
632
00:40:25,033 --> 00:40:28,903
and vindicated Amber Heard
and was catastrophic for Johnny Depp,
633
00:40:28,904 --> 00:40:31,066
who, of course, had brought
this action himself.
634
00:40:31,067 --> 00:40:35,667
It was his decision
to take this libel action, nobody else's.
635
00:40:35,668 --> 00:40:36,966
[reporter 11]
Today, the judge ruled
636
00:40:36,967 --> 00:40:39,527
that the article was
substantially true
637
00:40:39,528 --> 00:40:41,766
and that a majority of
the alleged assaults
638
00:40:41,767 --> 00:40:45,127
had been proved
to the civil standard.
639
00:40:45,128 --> 00:40:48,532
[reporter 12] The judge dismissed the idea that Ms.
Heard was a gold-digger
640
00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:52,033
and accepted her career
probably being damaged by the revelations.
641
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,870
It has been incredibly painful
to relive the breakup of my relationship,
642
00:40:59,900 --> 00:41:03,500
to have my motives,
my truth questioned...
643
00:41:05,333 --> 00:41:10,433
and the most traumatic
and intimate details of my life with Johnny
644
00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:15,397
shared in court and broadcast
to the entire world.
645
00:41:17,067 --> 00:41:18,797
[crowd cheering]
646
00:41:18,798 --> 00:41:21,566
[reporter 13] Lawyers
for Depp said the court's verdict was
647
00:41:21,567 --> 00:41:25,927
"as perverse
as it is bewildering."
648
00:41:25,967 --> 00:41:29,697
"Most troubling is the judge's reliance
on the testimony of Amber Heard."
649
00:41:29,698 --> 00:41:34,266
[Melanie] Johnny was somebody
who was used to getting his way.
650
00:41:34,267 --> 00:41:37,066
He'd been famous for
an incredibly long time.
651
00:41:37,067 --> 00:41:39,267
He was used
to being surrounded by
652
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:43,700
people who would give him whatever
he wanted, say yes to whatever he needed.
653
00:41:43,733 --> 00:41:47,303
I don't know if he thought
that this was going to be any different
654
00:41:47,333 --> 00:41:48,703
because he was Johnny Depp.
655
00:41:48,733 --> 00:41:50,703
He was used
to getting his way.
656
00:41:50,733 --> 00:41:55,173
And I'm not sure that he even possibly
contemplated that he might not win.
657
00:42:01,844 --> 00:42:07,066
[reporter 14] Johnny Depp
is stepping down from his role
658
00:42:07,067 --> 00:42:09,097
in the Fantastic Beasts
franchise
659
00:42:09,133 --> 00:42:11,673
just days after
losing his libel lawsuit.
660
00:42:11,674 --> 00:42:15,332
[Minnie] The case started
because of a story in The Sun
661
00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:18,673
about Johnny Depp being cast
in The Fantastic Beasts movie
662
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:22,470
and days after he lost his libel
trial, Warner Brothers announced
663
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:24,900
that he would leave
the franchise.
664
00:42:24,901 --> 00:42:27,532
[Melanie] This was obviously
very, very bad for him
665
00:42:27,533 --> 00:42:30,543
and could be
incredibly damaging for the rest of his career.
666
00:42:33,967 --> 00:42:35,407
[man] Confident, Miss Wass?
667
00:42:35,433 --> 00:42:36,603
Yeah?
668
00:42:42,533 --> 00:42:47,433
Two judges heard the appeal,
um, and rejected it.
669
00:42:47,467 --> 00:42:50,327
They are set to go to trial
in Virginia next February,
670
00:42:50,367 --> 00:42:52,837
the judge believes
it's gonna take about 12 days.
671
00:42:54,104 --> 00:42:58,132
[Melanie] The fight goes on
for Johnny Depp.
672
00:42:58,133 --> 00:43:01,333
His lawyers continue
to fight for his innocence.
673
00:43:01,367 --> 00:43:04,377
And that's exactly
what we're gonna see in Virginia as well.
674
00:43:04,378 --> 00:43:06,699
[reporter]
It is a landmark moment
675
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:08,199
for survivors
of domestic abuse.
676
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,200
It shows if you're an abuser,
you're gonna be found out.
677
00:43:11,233 --> 00:43:13,903
[Sasha] Many, many
domestic violence cases
678
00:43:13,933 --> 00:43:17,503
depend on one person's word
against the other.
679
00:43:17,533 --> 00:43:20,903
In this case,
there was a wealth of evidence
680
00:43:20,933 --> 00:43:23,973
entirely independent
of Ms. Heard,
681
00:43:24,067 --> 00:43:27,197
but evidence which supported
what she said.
682
00:43:27,233 --> 00:43:32,233
The judge was persuaded
by not only Ms. Heard herself,
683
00:43:32,267 --> 00:43:35,827
but by that independent
supporting evidence.
684
00:43:35,867 --> 00:43:38,627
So, I wasn't, um, surprised.
685
00:43:38,628 --> 00:43:43,566
[Minnie] Whether you like
Amber Heard or not it is completely irrelevant.
686
00:43:43,567 --> 00:43:45,567
This case was about
domestic abuse,
687
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,900
and I think it shows us
domestic abuse
688
00:43:47,933 --> 00:43:50,163
and coercive control
can happen to anybody.
689
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:54,530
I think people have
this idea that, you know,
690
00:43:54,531 --> 00:43:56,266
because Johnny Depp
was charming
691
00:43:56,267 --> 00:43:59,067
and quietly-spoken
and was handsome
692
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:02,600
and, you know,
that he couldn't possibly be a domestic abuser.
693
00:44:02,633 --> 00:44:05,533
And as we know,
abusers have redeeming features,
694
00:44:05,567 --> 00:44:10,067
so, do all human beings
and I think this really was a moment for people
695
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:13,670
to realize that
it can happen to anybody.
696
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:17,500
You have given me
so much strength...
697
00:44:19,333 --> 00:44:20,733
and I send it back to you.
698
00:44:22,767 --> 00:44:24,397
Thank you.
699
00:44:24,433 --> 00:44:26,673
[indistinct shouting]
700
00:44:35,433 --> 00:44:40,573
[song playing]
701
00:44:40,623 --> 00:44:45,173
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