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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,010 --> 00:00:04,210 By Mikhel for Subtitles.es ==SPREAD THE WORD== 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Living In The Material World, Part 2 3 00:00:11,435 --> 00:00:17,194 ** I look at the trouble and hate that is raging ** 4 00:00:17,195 --> 00:00:21,834 ** While my guitar gently weeps ** 5 00:00:21,835 --> 00:00:28,634 ** As I'm sitting here doing nothing but ageing ** 6 00:00:28,635 --> 00:00:33,554 ** Still my guitar gently weeps ** 7 00:00:33,555 --> 00:00:35,555 ** Gently weeps ** 8 00:00:37,235 --> 00:00:43,195 ** Still my guitar gently weeps... ** 9 00:00:45,275 --> 00:00:49,194 I always felt really close to the public and where I grew up 10 00:00:49,195 --> 00:00:54,514 and that's why, I suppose, I wrote some songs that were like, 11 00:00:54,515 --> 00:00:58,474 "Hey, you can all experience this," you know? 12 00:00:58,475 --> 00:01:00,994 It is, it's available for everyone. 13 00:01:00,995 --> 00:01:03,834 Ravi, really, it was him who helped me 14 00:01:03,835 --> 00:01:06,514 to get back into being a pop singer. 15 00:01:06,515 --> 00:01:07,555 ** Da ** 16 00:01:08,835 --> 00:01:10,315 ** Da-da-da-da-da ** 17 00:01:12,355 --> 00:01:15,435 ** Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da... ** 18 00:01:17,355 --> 00:01:19,714 He was the one who said to me, you know, 19 00:01:19,715 --> 00:01:23,354 try to find my background, or some roots. What's my roots? 20 00:01:23,355 --> 00:01:27,034 I mean, the first thing that meant something, really, 21 00:01:27,035 --> 00:01:30,914 that I could call a root was riding down the road on my bike 22 00:01:30,915 --> 00:01:34,674 and hearing Heartbreak Hotel coming out of somebody's house. 23 00:01:34,675 --> 00:01:36,994 So, "Right, it's Heartbreak Hotel." 24 00:01:36,995 --> 00:01:41,554 So from then, I went from Los Angeles, 25 00:01:41,555 --> 00:01:45,674 where I was with Ravi with my sitar, went to New York on my way home. 26 00:01:45,675 --> 00:01:47,994 That was the last time I really played sitar. 27 00:01:47,995 --> 00:01:49,795 I checked in the hotel in New York. 28 00:01:49,796 --> 00:01:53,034 Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton happened to be staying there. 29 00:01:53,035 --> 00:01:57,514 Then I thought, well, maybe I'm better off to get back into being 30 00:01:57,515 --> 00:02:00,674 a guitar player, songwriter, whatever I'm supposed to be. 31 00:02:00,675 --> 00:02:04,114 Because I'm never going to be a sitar player, because I've seen 32 00:02:04,115 --> 00:02:08,954 1,000 sitar players in India who's twice as better than I'll ever be. 33 00:02:08,955 --> 00:02:12,114 You want to hear the song I wrote last night? 34 00:02:12,115 --> 00:02:15,034 Yeah. It's just a very short one. 35 00:02:15,035 --> 00:02:18,675 ** ..doesn't last all morning ** 36 00:02:22,315 --> 00:02:29,234 ** A cloudburst doesn't last all day... ** 37 00:02:29,235 --> 00:02:33,274 If there's people joining in, I'd appreciate it too. 38 00:02:33,275 --> 00:02:36,394 It seems I've got... We can forget about the second part of it. 39 00:02:36,395 --> 00:02:38,394 The only thing... The main thing is... 40 00:02:38,395 --> 00:02:41,314 "January 2nd. Started rehearsing at Twickenham. 41 00:02:41,315 --> 00:02:44,914 "Derek and I are going to do the musical Hey Man. 42 00:02:44,915 --> 00:02:48,194 "January 3rd. Rehearsing at Twickenham. 43 00:02:48,195 --> 00:02:52,594 "January 10th. Got up, went to Twickenham, rehearsed until lunchtime, 44 00:02:52,595 --> 00:02:55,695 "left The Beatles, went home and, in the 45 00:02:55,696 --> 00:02:58,794 evening, did King Of Fuh at Trident Studios." 46 00:02:58,795 --> 00:03:04,514 'January 11th. Got up. John and Yoko came and diverted me at breakfast.' 47 00:03:04,515 --> 00:03:07,594 I just thought, "Well, what's the point of this?" 48 00:03:07,595 --> 00:03:13,754 I thought, I'm quite capable of being relatively happy on my own, 49 00:03:13,755 --> 00:03:16,674 And I'm not able to be happy in this situation. 50 00:03:16,675 --> 00:03:19,034 You know, "I'm getting out of here." 51 00:03:19,035 --> 00:03:24,594 It's like... It's complicated now. See, if we can get it simpler... 52 00:03:24,595 --> 00:03:27,394 and then complicate it where it needs complications. 53 00:03:27,395 --> 00:03:30,434 But it's complicated in the bit... It's not complicated. 54 00:03:30,435 --> 00:03:32,314 But, no, I mean, you know... 55 00:03:32,315 --> 00:03:34,634 I'll play just the chord if you like, and... 56 00:03:34,635 --> 00:03:37,874 C'mon, you always get... Always get annoyed when I say that. 57 00:03:37,875 --> 00:03:42,274 I'm trying to help, but I always hear myself annoying you. 58 00:03:42,275 --> 00:03:45,194 Shall we...try it like this, you know? 59 00:03:45,195 --> 00:03:49,914 It's funny that I don't... 60 00:03:49,915 --> 00:03:52,234 It's this one, it's like should we play guitar 61 00:03:52,235 --> 00:03:54,874 through "Hey, Jude"? Well, I don't think we should. 62 00:03:54,875 --> 00:03:56,394 Yeah, OK, well, I don't mind. 63 00:03:56,395 --> 00:03:58,994 I'll play, you know, whatever you want me to play. 64 00:03:58,995 --> 00:04:01,514 Or I won't play at all if you don't want me to play. 65 00:04:01,515 --> 00:04:04,554 You know, whatever it is that will please you, I'll do it. 66 00:04:04,555 --> 00:04:07,234 I wish we could start hearing the tapes now. 67 00:04:07,235 --> 00:04:10,714 Like, do it and then hear what it is. 68 00:04:10,715 --> 00:04:14,914 It was just a very, very difficult, stressful time. 69 00:04:14,915 --> 00:04:17,874 And to be, you know, even under pressure, 70 00:04:17,875 --> 00:04:20,274 being filmed having a row as well. 71 00:04:20,275 --> 00:04:22,755 That's what happened. I just got up and I thought, 72 00:04:22,756 --> 00:04:25,434 "Well, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm out of here." 73 00:04:25,435 --> 00:04:28,594 And so I got my guitar and I just went home. 74 00:04:28,595 --> 00:04:29,875 And wrote Wah-Wah. 75 00:04:29,876 --> 00:04:33,354 Did you ever hear the thing about John Lennon saying, 76 00:04:33,355 --> 00:04:37,674 when George walked out of the Let It Be session in frustration, 77 00:04:37,675 --> 00:04:39,994 "Let's get Eric Clapton"? 78 00:04:39,995 --> 00:04:43,314 Yeah. Did you ever think what it would be like to be in The Beatles? 79 00:04:43,315 --> 00:04:46,595 HE LAUGHS 80 00:04:48,875 --> 00:04:50,194 Yeah. 81 00:04:50,195 --> 00:04:54,114 The pros and cons of being in a band like that... 82 00:04:54,115 --> 00:04:55,954 were massively extreme. 83 00:04:55,955 --> 00:04:57,714 They were times when you just... 84 00:04:57,715 --> 00:05:01,514 it was like the closest knit family you've ever seen in your life. 85 00:05:01,515 --> 00:05:03,794 But as that can be, too, 86 00:05:03,795 --> 00:05:07,074 the cruelty and the viciousness was unparalleled. 87 00:05:07,075 --> 00:05:12,114 We didn't underestimate George. We knew that he was peaking, 88 00:05:12,115 --> 00:05:14,994 you know, as we got to those records. 89 00:05:14,995 --> 00:05:18,274 He'd not been really interested in the beginning, I don't think. 90 00:05:18,275 --> 00:05:20,713 And because John and I did so much of the writing, 91 00:05:20,714 --> 00:05:22,155 he could just leave it to us. 92 00:05:22,156 --> 00:05:23,194 But, erm... 93 00:05:23,195 --> 00:05:26,594 I think he realised, you know, that there was something in this. 94 00:05:26,595 --> 00:05:31,034 That artistically and financially, it was a good thing to get into. 95 00:05:31,035 --> 00:05:33,634 So by that time, erm, yeah, 96 00:05:33,635 --> 00:05:36,754 we realised that he was really coming up with the goods. 97 00:05:36,755 --> 00:05:39,594 I think, you know, with George, you know, 98 00:05:39,595 --> 00:05:44,874 it wasn't his ambition to be in The Beatles for his whole life. 99 00:05:44,875 --> 00:05:50,554 Sometimes it could be quite difficult to get a song on an album. 100 00:05:50,555 --> 00:05:54,234 When you think that in Let It Be, 101 00:05:54,235 --> 00:05:58,514 they rehearsed All Things Must Pass and a couple of other 102 00:05:58,515 --> 00:06:02,674 of George's songs that didn't make it on to Let It Be, right, 103 00:06:02,675 --> 00:06:05,754 and didn't make it on to Abbey Road, right, 104 00:06:05,755 --> 00:06:08,514 but made it onto his first solo album, 105 00:06:08,515 --> 00:06:13,154 he was stockpiling stuff. You know, stuff was building up. 106 00:06:13,155 --> 00:06:17,915 ** Something in the way she moves ** 107 00:06:20,755 --> 00:06:23,555 ** Attracts me like no other lover ** 108 00:06:26,355 --> 00:06:31,395 ** Something in the way she woos me ** 109 00:06:32,915 --> 00:06:36,114 ** I don't want to leave her now ** 110 00:06:36,115 --> 00:06:38,515 ** You know I believe and how... ** 111 00:06:43,435 --> 00:06:45,834 I don't honestly believe that giving 112 00:06:45,835 --> 00:06:50,514 Something to Joe Cocker, or giving My Sweet Lord to Billy Preston 113 00:06:50,515 --> 00:06:54,514 had anything to do with his confidence as a songwriter. 114 00:06:54,515 --> 00:06:59,274 I think he was totally confident about the songs. 115 00:06:59,275 --> 00:07:02,914 The insecurity may have been if The Beatles kept going, 116 00:07:02,915 --> 00:07:05,794 "How many songs am I going to be able to get on each album?" 117 00:07:05,795 --> 00:07:09,834 And with the backlog sort of mounting up of songs 118 00:07:09,835 --> 00:07:12,914 that he had, get it out there and get something from it. 119 00:07:12,915 --> 00:07:18,835 ** Somewhere in her smile she knows ** 120 00:07:21,755 --> 00:07:25,155 ** That I need no other lover ** 121 00:07:27,955 --> 00:07:34,115 ** Something in her style that shows me ** 122 00:07:35,795 --> 00:07:37,515 ** I don't want to leave her now ** 123 00:07:39,115 --> 00:07:41,075 ** You know I believe and how. ** 124 00:07:46,115 --> 00:07:50,794 Something was a great song, is a great song, 125 00:07:50,795 --> 00:07:53,875 and John just said, "That should be a single." 126 00:07:55,035 --> 00:07:59,274 And that was the first time that George's song was a single. 127 00:07:59,275 --> 00:08:03,274 It was usually Paul's, and George was usually the B-side. 128 00:08:03,275 --> 00:08:06,274 But, you know, he just said, "This should be the single." 129 00:08:06,275 --> 00:08:09,154 Because he always cared about George. 130 00:08:09,155 --> 00:08:11,314 They had something going, you know. 131 00:08:11,315 --> 00:08:15,235 ** You're asking me Will my love grow? ** 132 00:08:17,035 --> 00:08:22,755 ** I don't know, I don't know ** 133 00:08:24,835 --> 00:08:30,274 ** You stick around, now it may show ** 134 00:08:30,275 --> 00:08:36,075 ** I don't know, I don't know... ** 135 00:08:39,115 --> 00:08:42,594 Can you describe the scene at Apple Corps, a typical day? 136 00:08:42,595 --> 00:08:45,634 It was a bit like spin the top and see where it goes. 137 00:08:45,635 --> 00:08:48,794 You know, George met the Hells Angels, right, and said, 138 00:08:48,795 --> 00:08:51,274 "Hey, if you're ever in London, pop in to Apple. 139 00:08:51,275 --> 00:08:54,114 "We'd love to see you." You know. 140 00:08:54,115 --> 00:08:56,035 Never thinking it's going to happen. 141 00:08:56,036 --> 00:08:59,874 Six months later, you know, 30 motorbikes, you know, 142 00:08:59,875 --> 00:09:04,154 Harley Davidsons, are outside the offices in Savile Row, 143 00:09:04,155 --> 00:09:08,194 you know, with the Hells Angels. "Well, George said it was OK." 144 00:09:08,195 --> 00:09:10,995 Right, they're all living in Apple. 145 00:09:12,715 --> 00:09:14,194 At a Christmas party, 146 00:09:14,195 --> 00:09:17,594 John and Yoko came as Father and Mother Christmas, 147 00:09:17,595 --> 00:09:20,994 and we had this 24-pound turkey 148 00:09:20,995 --> 00:09:26,154 that only had to make it from here to that couch. 149 00:09:26,155 --> 00:09:30,074 That's where the table was. Didn't make it, right? 150 00:09:30,075 --> 00:09:31,674 Two guys were carrying it in, 151 00:09:31,675 --> 00:09:33,994 and the Hells Angels just ripped it to pieces. 152 00:09:33,995 --> 00:09:37,554 By the time it got to the table, there was nothing left. 153 00:09:37,555 --> 00:09:42,194 And then, you know, they were sleeping in the studio and stuff 154 00:09:42,195 --> 00:09:44,514 and so we asked them to go. 155 00:09:44,515 --> 00:09:47,634 You know, "Could you please leave." And they said, "No. 156 00:09:47,635 --> 00:09:51,514 "George asked us. It's nothing to do with you. George said it was OK." 157 00:09:51,515 --> 00:09:57,794 Right. "Well, George is going to have to tell them to leave." Right? 158 00:09:57,795 --> 00:09:59,514 So... 159 00:09:59,515 --> 00:10:04,754 George knew the situation and knew he would have to ask them to leave 160 00:10:04,755 --> 00:10:08,154 but he had to figure out how he was going to ask them. 161 00:10:08,155 --> 00:10:10,034 And, er... 162 00:10:10,035 --> 00:10:14,434 So he did it very well. He was talking to them and he said, 163 00:10:14,435 --> 00:10:20,274 "You know, there's yin and yang, in and out, up and down, 164 00:10:20,275 --> 00:10:22,474 "you're here, you go." 165 00:10:22,475 --> 00:10:25,434 And they said, "OK." And went. 166 00:10:25,435 --> 00:10:28,994 I think we'd kind of come to the end of our tether. 167 00:10:28,995 --> 00:10:31,394 We'd sort of done about all we wanted to do. 168 00:10:31,395 --> 00:10:35,434 We would get a bit testy with each other. It was like a marriage. 169 00:10:35,435 --> 00:10:39,554 You know, you love each other, but you're getting fed up. 170 00:10:39,555 --> 00:10:42,194 And then we'd solve it, and we're good friends. 171 00:10:42,195 --> 00:10:45,434 We'd realise we loved each other, and it was all cool. 172 00:10:45,435 --> 00:10:47,514 But then we'd argue again, you know. 173 00:10:47,515 --> 00:10:50,194 My house was like the reconciliation house. 174 00:10:50,195 --> 00:10:53,434 We all shouted at each other and talked it over 175 00:10:53,435 --> 00:10:55,314 and then we went back to work. 176 00:10:55,315 --> 00:10:57,794 He comes in, he'd been to India again, I think, 177 00:10:57,795 --> 00:11:02,194 and he says, "I've got this song. It's like seven-and-a-half time." 178 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:03,754 "Yeah, so?" 179 00:11:03,755 --> 00:11:07,034 You know, he might as well have talked to me in Arabic, 180 00:11:07,035 --> 00:11:08,355 you know what I mean? 181 00:11:09,435 --> 00:11:12,954 ** Here comes the sun, do-do-do-do-do ** 182 00:11:12,955 --> 00:11:14,914 ** Here comes the sun ** 183 00:11:14,915 --> 00:11:18,875 ** And I say, It's all right... ** 184 00:11:20,555 --> 00:11:23,354 Da-da! And that's how I come off. 185 00:11:23,355 --> 00:11:27,794 I had to find some way that I could physically do it, 186 00:11:27,795 --> 00:11:30,674 and do it every time so it came off on the time. 187 00:11:30,675 --> 00:11:32,954 That's one of those Indian tricks. 188 00:11:32,955 --> 00:11:36,194 I had no way of going, "One, two, three, four, five, six, seven." 189 00:11:36,195 --> 00:11:39,034 It's not my brain. 190 00:11:39,035 --> 00:11:43,474 So as long as I did, "Der-der-ler, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do da-da!" 191 00:11:43,475 --> 00:11:45,914 "OK, that's seven. Good. Got it." 192 00:11:45,915 --> 00:11:49,394 It was one of those beautiful spring mornings. I think it was April. 193 00:11:49,395 --> 00:11:52,234 We were just walking round the garden with our guitars. 194 00:11:52,235 --> 00:11:54,394 And that was... I don't do that, you know. 195 00:11:54,395 --> 00:11:58,514 I'd only ever do... This was what George brought to the situation. 196 00:11:58,515 --> 00:12:02,834 He was just a magical guy and he would show up with his guitar, 197 00:12:02,835 --> 00:12:05,954 get out the guitar, get out of the car with the guitar 198 00:12:05,955 --> 00:12:08,154 and come in and you'd start playing. 199 00:12:08,155 --> 00:12:09,954 And we'd walk around the garden. 200 00:12:09,955 --> 00:12:14,514 We sat down at the bottom of the garden, looking out over the... 201 00:12:14,515 --> 00:12:17,434 And the sun was shining and it was a beautiful morning 202 00:12:17,435 --> 00:12:19,754 and he started to sing. 203 00:12:19,755 --> 00:12:25,194 Started to sing Here Comes The Sun, the opening lines, you know, and... 204 00:12:25,195 --> 00:12:27,714 and I just watched this thing come to life. 205 00:12:27,715 --> 00:12:29,634 ** Little darling ** 206 00:12:29,635 --> 00:12:33,515 ** It's been a long, cold, lonely winter ** 207 00:12:34,715 --> 00:12:37,074 ** Little darling ** 208 00:12:37,075 --> 00:12:40,995 ** It feels like years since it's been here ** 209 00:12:42,275 --> 00:12:45,914 ** Here comes the sun, do-do-do-do ** 210 00:12:45,915 --> 00:12:48,514 ** Here comes the sun ** 211 00:12:48,515 --> 00:12:52,075 ** And I say, it's all right... ** 212 00:12:59,555 --> 00:13:02,354 What would you say you learned from each other? 213 00:13:02,355 --> 00:13:04,594 I'd say we just learned a bunch of stuff. 214 00:13:04,595 --> 00:13:07,074 What it was, we'll never know. 215 00:13:07,075 --> 00:13:10,474 And I always liken us to like, four corners of a square. 216 00:13:10,475 --> 00:13:12,914 People say, "You know, John was the impor..." 217 00:13:12,915 --> 00:13:15,234 or "John and Paul were the important ones." 218 00:13:15,235 --> 00:13:16,794 And so and so and so and so. 219 00:13:16,795 --> 00:13:18,914 But I say, "No, no, no, it's a square." 220 00:13:18,915 --> 00:13:22,234 Without any of those corners, you collapse. 221 00:13:22,235 --> 00:13:24,474 The days that we spent as these Beatles, 222 00:13:24,475 --> 00:13:27,954 and we'll probably die as Beatles, err... 223 00:13:27,955 --> 00:13:30,114 you know, we understood it. 224 00:13:30,115 --> 00:13:33,074 No one else will ever understand that. 225 00:13:33,075 --> 00:13:34,354 And, you know, 226 00:13:34,355 --> 00:13:38,194 we actually understood it cos we experienced it. 227 00:13:38,195 --> 00:13:41,314 How did you feel when the band finally called it quits? 228 00:13:41,315 --> 00:13:43,314 It was very difficult. 229 00:13:43,315 --> 00:13:47,514 We'd done this a long time, and as I said before, you know, 230 00:13:47,515 --> 00:13:48,875 no matter how bad it was... 231 00:13:48,876 --> 00:13:51,114 and some days it was very bad in the studio, 232 00:13:51,115 --> 00:13:55,754 just the atmosphere and the tension and the distance... 233 00:13:55,755 --> 00:13:59,234 but...we, you know... If the count-in came in, 234 00:13:59,235 --> 00:14:01,994 if someone counted it in, we all gave everything. 235 00:14:01,995 --> 00:14:06,514 It was quite obvious that the Beatles gave us 236 00:14:06,515 --> 00:14:10,314 the vehicle to be able to do so much. 237 00:14:10,315 --> 00:14:13,434 When we were younger we grew right through that, 238 00:14:13,435 --> 00:14:16,594 but it got to a point where it was stifling us. 239 00:14:16,595 --> 00:14:19,634 There was too much restriction. 240 00:14:19,635 --> 00:14:22,914 You know, it had to self-destruct. 241 00:14:22,915 --> 00:14:26,674 And I wasn't feeling bad about anybody wanting to leave. 242 00:14:26,675 --> 00:14:27,955 I wanted out myself. 243 00:14:27,956 --> 00:14:32,474 I could see a much, you know, better time for myself by, you know, 244 00:14:32,475 --> 00:14:35,394 being away from the band. 245 00:14:35,395 --> 00:14:37,115 ** What I feel ** 246 00:14:39,275 --> 00:14:40,715 ** I can't say ** 247 00:14:43,035 --> 00:14:48,515 ** But my love is there for you any time of day ** 248 00:14:50,195 --> 00:14:53,514 ** But if it's not love ** 249 00:14:53,515 --> 00:14:55,795 ** That you need ** 250 00:14:57,555 --> 00:15:03,515 ** Then I'll try my best to make everything succeed ** 251 00:15:04,875 --> 00:15:10,275 ** Tell me, what is my life without your love? ** 252 00:15:12,195 --> 00:15:19,194 ** Tell me who am I without you ** 253 00:15:19,195 --> 00:15:21,915 ** By my side? ** 254 00:15:23,475 --> 00:15:24,675 ** What I know ** 255 00:15:26,435 --> 00:15:27,555 ** I can do... ** 256 00:15:27,556 --> 00:15:30,834 The band that I was in, we had more stress than everybody. 257 00:15:30,835 --> 00:15:34,754 And yet, it's all these other people who are all offing themselves 258 00:15:34,755 --> 00:15:36,154 left right and centre. 259 00:15:36,155 --> 00:15:38,794 And sometimes, I'd be in a crazy mode 260 00:15:38,795 --> 00:15:42,194 and then Ravi would come and I'd think, "Oh, what am I going to do?" 261 00:15:42,195 --> 00:15:44,074 But the moment you just go for it, 262 00:15:44,075 --> 00:15:47,354 then it would turn out much better than you would expect. 263 00:15:47,355 --> 00:15:50,034 And I used to have the same feeling with... 264 00:15:50,035 --> 00:15:53,834 I became quite friendly at one point with, erm, 265 00:15:53,835 --> 00:15:58,234 Swami Bhaktivedanta, who formed the Krishna temple. 266 00:15:58,235 --> 00:16:02,114 But I... You know, they'd call me up and say, "Come to the temple," 267 00:16:02,115 --> 00:16:04,834 and, "The Swami's here and he'd love to see you." 268 00:16:04,835 --> 00:16:08,954 And I'd be like, going through some private nightmare or something, 269 00:16:08,955 --> 00:16:12,314 and I'd think, "How can I go to the temple when I'm like this?" 270 00:16:12,315 --> 00:16:13,555 But then I'd go. 271 00:16:13,556 --> 00:16:16,674 I'd always walk out of there thinking, "Oh, thank you, Lord." 272 00:16:16,675 --> 00:16:20,194 I think everything George did, including the songs that he wrote 273 00:16:20,195 --> 00:16:23,994 that didn't have spiritual words directly in them, were spiritual 274 00:16:23,995 --> 00:16:26,474 and that that was always on his mind. 275 00:16:26,475 --> 00:16:28,834 Even the song Something, 276 00:16:28,835 --> 00:16:32,554 that is considered one of the greatest love songs ever written... 277 00:16:32,555 --> 00:16:36,674 I think Frank Sinatra said that - can be seen as a love song to God. 278 00:16:36,675 --> 00:16:40,514 What about the music makes it spiritual, aside from the words? 279 00:16:40,515 --> 00:16:43,754 I think the thing about the music that makes it spiritual 280 00:16:43,755 --> 00:16:46,514 is the person who's singing it, namely George. 281 00:16:46,515 --> 00:16:49,914 That he wanted to be spiritual, he had a spiritual dimension to him, 282 00:16:49,915 --> 00:16:52,234 he was known to be involved in spirituality. 283 00:16:52,235 --> 00:16:55,514 A mantra as we know it in English means 284 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,834 some phrase that's repeated again and again. 285 00:16:57,835 --> 00:17:00,594 Actually, mantra is a Sanskrit word originally. 286 00:17:00,595 --> 00:17:04,914 It meant a sacred chant, to this maha mantra. 287 00:17:04,915 --> 00:17:06,674 Maha means great in Sanskrit. 288 00:17:06,675 --> 00:17:09,194 It means the great chant for deliverance. 289 00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:13,274 In 1966, I had gone to San Francisco 290 00:17:13,275 --> 00:17:17,594 and I'd heard that the devotees had recorded a record at that time. 291 00:17:17,595 --> 00:17:21,834 I had also heard that The Beatles had ordered 300 copies of that LP, 292 00:17:21,835 --> 00:17:25,114 33 1/3 LP vinyl recording. 293 00:17:25,115 --> 00:17:27,954 And it was a kind of thing where it just sort of passed. 294 00:17:27,955 --> 00:17:30,034 "OK, the Beatles got 300 copies, so..." 295 00:17:30,035 --> 00:17:33,794 After about a week, we just sort of forgot about it. 296 00:17:33,795 --> 00:17:37,594 But I found out later that George had gotten that record himself 297 00:17:37,595 --> 00:17:40,794 and that he and John had chanted the Hare Krishna mantra 298 00:17:40,795 --> 00:17:43,794 while sailing somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea, 299 00:17:43,795 --> 00:17:48,035 for so long that he said that his jaws were aching. 300 00:17:49,115 --> 00:17:52,074 I think that chanting helped George a lot 301 00:17:52,075 --> 00:17:55,314 to overcome feelings of distress and anger. 302 00:17:55,315 --> 00:17:57,914 He once said to me... George once said that, 303 00:17:57,915 --> 00:18:00,914 "Once you start chanting, you don't want to stop." 304 00:18:00,915 --> 00:18:03,834 I think that he was very attached to the chanting 305 00:18:03,835 --> 00:18:06,154 and also to people like myself 306 00:18:06,155 --> 00:18:09,114 who were of his age and who were on a spiritual path. 307 00:18:09,115 --> 00:18:11,674 Sometimes I called him a closet Krishna 308 00:18:11,675 --> 00:18:14,514 because he didn't shave his head, he didn't wear robes. 309 00:18:14,515 --> 00:18:16,554 ** Hare Krishna ** 310 00:18:16,555 --> 00:18:19,114 ** Hare Krishna ** 311 00:18:19,115 --> 00:18:21,274 ** Krishna Krishna ** 312 00:18:21,275 --> 00:18:23,554 ** Hare Hare ** 313 00:18:23,555 --> 00:18:25,394 ** Hare Rama ** 314 00:18:25,395 --> 00:18:27,874 ** Hare Rama ** 315 00:18:27,875 --> 00:18:30,154 ** Rama Rama ** 316 00:18:30,155 --> 00:18:32,154 ** Hare Hare ** 317 00:18:32,155 --> 00:18:33,994 ** Hare Krishna ** 318 00:18:33,995 --> 00:18:36,314 ** Hare Krishna ** 319 00:18:36,315 --> 00:18:38,554 ** Krishna Krishna ** 320 00:18:38,555 --> 00:18:40,634 ** Hare Hare... ** 321 00:18:40,635 --> 00:18:44,194 He wanted to make an album for the Radha Krishna Temple. 322 00:18:44,195 --> 00:18:48,474 All of these people in their white robes, bald heads, 323 00:18:48,475 --> 00:18:50,914 going round, hitting the Indian bells... 324 00:18:50,915 --> 00:18:54,714 just trying to, at times, record all of them with them 325 00:18:54,715 --> 00:18:58,834 not necessarily keeping still all the time, 326 00:18:58,835 --> 00:19:02,154 and some of the weird instruments that were being 327 00:19:02,155 --> 00:19:06,114 brought in to be recorded, it was absolutely fascinating. 328 00:19:06,115 --> 00:19:07,554 ** Hare Krishna ** 329 00:19:07,555 --> 00:19:08,914 ** Hare Krishna ** 330 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:10,794 ** Krishna Krishna ** 331 00:19:10,795 --> 00:19:12,035 ** Hare Hare ** 332 00:19:12,036 --> 00:19:13,474 ** Hare Rama ** 333 00:19:13,475 --> 00:19:15,434 ** Hare Rama ** 334 00:19:15,435 --> 00:19:16,715 ** Rama Rama ** 335 00:19:16,716 --> 00:19:19,075 ** Hare Hare. ** 336 00:19:21,675 --> 00:19:25,154 I remember hearing it on a car radio somewhere in the east part of... 337 00:19:25,155 --> 00:19:28,474 east London, and the disc jockey saying, 338 00:19:28,475 --> 00:19:31,234 "That was a song by a group of bald-headed Americans." 339 00:19:31,235 --> 00:19:33,874 George said about taking on this project himself, 340 00:19:33,875 --> 00:19:36,874 recording the devotees singing the Hare Krishna mantra, 341 00:19:36,875 --> 00:19:39,514 was that he wanted to get across what he believed 342 00:19:39,515 --> 00:19:41,994 through a medium that he was familiar with. 343 00:19:41,995 --> 00:19:44,754 And that was chanting, that was a 45 record. 344 00:19:44,755 --> 00:19:47,954 And it was quite amazing because myself and none of us thought 345 00:19:47,955 --> 00:19:50,154 that this was going to be a popular record, 346 00:19:50,155 --> 00:19:51,834 and yet it became very popular. 347 00:19:51,835 --> 00:19:55,674 It was played in the intermission at the Isle of Wight concert, 348 00:19:55,675 --> 00:19:57,594 when Bob Dylan was setting up. 349 00:19:57,595 --> 00:20:00,034 And then it was played at the intermission 350 00:20:00,035 --> 00:20:01,994 in a football game in Manchester, 351 00:20:01,995 --> 00:20:05,354 where Manchester United was a very popular soccer team. 352 00:20:05,355 --> 00:20:08,594 All the fans, who were probably just there to watch the soccer, 353 00:20:08,595 --> 00:20:11,354 started singing along because it was only three words 354 00:20:11,355 --> 00:20:12,435 and they could do it. 355 00:20:12,436 --> 00:20:15,234 There were 5,000 football fans singing Hare Krishna. 356 00:20:15,235 --> 00:20:18,394 People always say I'm the Beatle who changed the most. 357 00:20:18,395 --> 00:20:21,234 But really that's what I see life is about. 358 00:20:21,235 --> 00:20:24,954 The point is, unless you're God-conscious 359 00:20:24,955 --> 00:20:30,234 then you have to change, because... because it's a waste of time. 360 00:20:30,235 --> 00:20:33,474 Everybody is so limited and so really useless 361 00:20:33,475 --> 00:20:37,074 when you think about the limitations on yourself. 362 00:20:37,075 --> 00:20:39,074 And the whole thing is to change, 363 00:20:39,075 --> 00:20:41,514 try and make everything better and better. 364 00:20:41,515 --> 00:20:43,874 That's what the physical world is about, change. 365 00:20:43,875 --> 00:20:51,675 ** Sunrise doesn't last all morning ** 366 00:20:54,875 --> 00:20:59,835 ** A cloudburst doesn't last all day ** 367 00:21:02,035 --> 00:21:04,154 ** Seems my love is up ** 368 00:21:04,155 --> 00:21:07,754 ** And has left you with no warning ** 369 00:21:07,755 --> 00:21:15,555 ** It's not always going to be this grey ** 370 00:21:17,555 --> 00:21:21,995 ** All things must pass ** 371 00:21:24,315 --> 00:21:30,154 ** All things must pass away... ** 372 00:21:30,155 --> 00:21:33,235 Well, I'm trying to, I think, but... 373 00:21:35,635 --> 00:21:41,394 ** Sunset doesn't last all evening... ** 374 00:21:41,395 --> 00:21:46,234 He just lived by his deeds. He was spiritual and you knew it. 375 00:21:46,235 --> 00:21:49,954 And there was no salesmanship involved. 376 00:21:49,955 --> 00:21:52,834 And it made you spiritual being around him. 377 00:21:52,835 --> 00:21:54,874 Uh, it made you like those Krishnas, 378 00:21:54,875 --> 00:21:58,514 who could sometimes be the biggest pain in the necks in the world, 379 00:21:58,515 --> 00:22:01,794 running around with their robes and their shaved heads 380 00:22:01,795 --> 00:22:04,234 and their white powder all over their face. 381 00:22:04,235 --> 00:22:07,834 Scaring you half to death coming out of a dark studio, glowing. 382 00:22:07,835 --> 00:22:10,194 It was a very unusual choice, I thought, 383 00:22:10,195 --> 00:22:11,714 to work with Phil Spector 384 00:22:11,715 --> 00:22:14,834 with the kind of songs you were making on that album. 385 00:22:14,835 --> 00:22:17,034 Yeah, I suppose it was, 386 00:22:17,035 --> 00:22:19,755 but he needed a job at the time. 387 00:22:20,995 --> 00:22:22,954 And I needed somebody to help me 388 00:22:22,955 --> 00:22:27,514 because, you know, I mean, after being in a group all the time 389 00:22:27,515 --> 00:22:31,674 with a producer suddenly to be a solo artist with no producer, 390 00:22:31,675 --> 00:22:34,794 you know, and no group, you know? Yeah. 391 00:22:34,795 --> 00:22:37,434 So it's like, you know, it's quite a big jump. 392 00:22:37,435 --> 00:22:39,074 John phoned me up in the morning. 393 00:22:39,075 --> 00:22:42,554 He said, "I've just written this song and I'm going to record it today 394 00:22:42,555 --> 00:22:45,354 "and have it out tomorrow. It's called Instant Karma. 395 00:22:45,355 --> 00:22:47,474 "Will you come and play on it?" I said, "OK." 396 00:22:47,475 --> 00:22:52,234 Got my guitar, went into town, went in the office and Phil was there. 397 00:22:52,235 --> 00:22:55,234 And I said, "Come on, let's go and do this song with John." 398 00:22:55,235 --> 00:22:59,234 And he said, "Whoa, no, no. I can't go. I haven't been invited." 399 00:22:59,235 --> 00:23:01,794 And I said, "Don't worry. Just come on." 400 00:23:01,795 --> 00:23:05,434 And so he stood at the back of the control room in studio three, 401 00:23:05,435 --> 00:23:07,754 it was, in Abbey Road. 402 00:23:07,755 --> 00:23:09,954 And he stood there, and like the engineer 403 00:23:09,955 --> 00:23:13,114 was getting all paranoid and Phil wouldn't say anything. 404 00:23:13,115 --> 00:23:15,714 And after about a couple of hours, I said, 405 00:23:15,715 --> 00:23:17,274 "Come on, do something." 406 00:23:17,275 --> 00:23:19,834 So then he started putting the echo on it. 407 00:23:19,835 --> 00:23:24,154 McCartney was making an album. John had a single ready to go. 408 00:23:24,155 --> 00:23:28,074 And now John was talking about making an album already. 409 00:23:28,075 --> 00:23:29,714 The Plastic Ono Band. 410 00:23:29,715 --> 00:23:36,154 And I said to George, "You know, you ought to consider making an album." 411 00:23:36,155 --> 00:23:39,674 And I'd only been there 12 hours. 412 00:23:39,675 --> 00:23:44,434 I went to George's, Friar Park, which he had just purchased, 413 00:23:44,435 --> 00:23:48,074 and he said, "I have a few ditties for you to hear." 414 00:23:48,075 --> 00:23:52,194 It was endless! He had literally hundreds of songs. 415 00:23:52,195 --> 00:23:55,194 And each one was better than the rest. 416 00:23:55,195 --> 00:24:00,554 He had all this emotion built up when it released to me. 417 00:24:00,555 --> 00:24:03,434 I don't think he had played it to anybody. 418 00:24:03,435 --> 00:24:04,675 Maybe Pattie. 419 00:24:29,195 --> 00:24:30,995 ** Wah-wah ** 420 00:24:33,595 --> 00:24:36,834 ** You've given me a wah-wah... ** 421 00:24:36,835 --> 00:24:39,674 We worked over and over on the songs in the studio 422 00:24:39,675 --> 00:24:42,114 so that everybody got the right routine. 423 00:24:42,115 --> 00:24:44,914 And it sounded really nice and in the control room, 424 00:24:44,915 --> 00:24:50,914 Phil was in there with the engineer making it sound like this noise. 425 00:24:50,915 --> 00:24:56,114 The first track we ever did was a song called Wah-Wah. 426 00:24:56,115 --> 00:25:00,274 And it sounded really nice in the studio. 427 00:25:00,275 --> 00:25:04,794 All this nice acoustics and piano and no echo on anything. 428 00:25:04,795 --> 00:25:07,394 We did it for hours until we, you know, 429 00:25:07,395 --> 00:25:09,794 he had it right in the control room. 430 00:25:09,795 --> 00:25:13,714 Yeah. We went in to listen to it and I thought, 431 00:25:13,715 --> 00:25:16,194 I hate it. It's so horrible. 432 00:25:16,195 --> 00:25:19,754 Did you say that to him? Yeah, I said, "It's horrible. I hate it." 433 00:25:19,755 --> 00:25:21,754 Eric said, "Oh, I love it." 434 00:25:21,755 --> 00:25:24,914 So I said, "Well, you can have it on your album then." 435 00:25:24,915 --> 00:25:26,274 But I grew to like it. 436 00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:28,874 He wouldn't let anything go until it was right. 437 00:25:28,875 --> 00:25:33,514 My Sweet Lord must have taken about 12 hours 438 00:25:33,515 --> 00:25:36,314 to overdub the guitar solos. 439 00:25:36,315 --> 00:25:39,074 He had nine harmonies working on. 440 00:25:39,075 --> 00:25:40,994 Bwa, bwa, bwa, bwa, bwa, bwa, bwa. 441 00:25:40,995 --> 00:25:44,634 He must've had that in triplicate, six-part harmony 442 00:25:44,635 --> 00:25:49,714 before we decided on two-part harmony. 443 00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:51,434 He had it metic... 444 00:25:51,435 --> 00:25:55,394 He was a... Perfectionist is not the word. 445 00:25:55,395 --> 00:25:59,634 Anyone can be a perfectionist. He was beyond that. 446 00:25:59,635 --> 00:26:04,394 He just had to have it so right, and he would try and try 447 00:26:04,395 --> 00:26:09,075 and experiment and experiment and experiment upon experiment. 448 00:26:10,835 --> 00:26:12,594 Whoa. 449 00:26:12,595 --> 00:26:14,795 One, two, one, two, three, four. 450 00:26:25,715 --> 00:26:28,154 ** You don't need a love... ** 451 00:26:28,155 --> 00:26:31,514 You don't need a... 452 00:26:31,515 --> 00:26:34,474 I was just going to bed and I was cleaning me teeth 453 00:26:34,475 --> 00:26:37,634 and suddenly in me head came this 454 00:26:37,635 --> 00:26:40,195 ** You don't need a... ** 455 00:26:41,555 --> 00:26:43,994 All I had to do was pick up the guitar, 456 00:26:43,995 --> 00:26:47,194 find what key it was in and fill in the missing words. 457 00:26:47,195 --> 00:26:49,194 ** You don't need a love in ** 458 00:26:49,195 --> 00:26:50,914 ** You don't need a bedpan ** 459 00:26:50,915 --> 00:26:52,954 ** You don't need a horoscope ** 460 00:26:52,955 --> 00:26:56,274 ** Or a microscope to see the mess that you're in ** 461 00:26:56,275 --> 00:26:58,514 ** If you open up your heart ** 462 00:26:58,515 --> 00:27:00,994 ** You know what I mean ** 463 00:27:00,995 --> 00:27:03,594 ** Been polluted so long ** 464 00:27:03,595 --> 00:27:07,034 ** Here's a way for you to get clean ** 465 00:27:07,035 --> 00:27:11,155 ** While the Pope owns 51% of General Motors ** 466 00:27:12,635 --> 00:27:13,955 ** And the stock exchange ** 467 00:27:13,956 --> 00:27:16,475 ** Is the only thing he's qualified to quote us ** 468 00:27:18,035 --> 00:27:21,515 ** But the Lord is awaiting on you all To awaken and see ** 469 00:27:23,235 --> 00:27:27,675 ** By chanting the names of the Lord And you'll be free ** 470 00:27:36,475 --> 00:27:38,954 ** You don't need a love in ** 471 00:27:38,955 --> 00:27:41,794 ** You don't need no bedpan ** 472 00:27:41,795 --> 00:27:43,235 ** You don't need a horoscope ** 473 00:27:43,236 --> 00:27:46,434 ** Or a microscope To see the mess that you're in ** 474 00:27:46,435 --> 00:27:49,194 ** If you open up your heart ** 475 00:27:49,195 --> 00:27:51,074 ** You will know what I mean ** 476 00:27:51,075 --> 00:27:54,514 ** We've been polluted so long ** 477 00:27:54,515 --> 00:27:58,274 ** Now here's a way for you to get clean ** 478 00:27:58,275 --> 00:28:00,834 ** By chanting the names of the Lord ** 479 00:28:00,835 --> 00:28:02,315 ** And you'll be free ** 480 00:28:02,316 --> 00:28:07,154 ** The Lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see ** 481 00:28:07,155 --> 00:28:13,674 ** By chanting the names of the Lord and you'll be free ** 482 00:28:13,675 --> 00:28:17,475 ** The Lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see... ** 483 00:28:27,435 --> 00:28:30,034 The album took six months to make. 484 00:28:30,035 --> 00:28:33,794 And George had endless time. 485 00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:37,434 He never really knew if he wanted the album to come out. 486 00:28:37,435 --> 00:28:39,354 So the longer it took to make, 487 00:28:39,355 --> 00:28:42,514 the better George, the happier George was. 488 00:28:42,515 --> 00:28:45,594 I picked My Sweet Lord of all the songs. 489 00:28:45,595 --> 00:28:47,594 cos I told him that's the hit. 490 00:28:47,595 --> 00:28:50,074 And everybody fought me on that 491 00:28:50,075 --> 00:28:53,754 cos they said it's got religious overtones in it. 492 00:28:53,755 --> 00:28:56,154 I just said it didn't matter. 493 00:28:56,155 --> 00:28:59,034 It's the most commercial song in it. 494 00:28:59,035 --> 00:29:01,274 And George was even nervous about it 495 00:29:01,275 --> 00:29:03,074 because of Hare Krishna in it 496 00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:05,475 and My Sweet Lord and was the public ready for it. 497 00:29:05,476 --> 00:29:07,834 I said, "It doesn't matter. It's a hit record." 498 00:29:07,835 --> 00:29:11,114 I thought a lot about whether to do My Sweet Lord or not. 499 00:29:11,115 --> 00:29:12,315 Having written it, 500 00:29:12,316 --> 00:29:15,194 I thought it's really committing myself to something. 501 00:29:15,195 --> 00:29:19,194 There's going to be a lot of people are going to really hate me. 502 00:29:19,195 --> 00:29:23,274 Because people fear the unknown, you see. 503 00:29:23,275 --> 00:29:26,474 It's some sort of instinct in people. 504 00:29:26,475 --> 00:29:31,234 The point was that I was sticking my neck out on the chopping block. 505 00:29:31,235 --> 00:29:34,794 But at the same time, I thought, "Well, nobody's saying it." Yeah. 506 00:29:34,795 --> 00:29:36,994 I wish somebody else was doing it. 507 00:29:36,995 --> 00:29:40,914 So that, you know, to represent, you know, cos everything 508 00:29:40,915 --> 00:29:43,194 should be represented in a way. 509 00:29:43,195 --> 00:29:46,755 If everybody's just going "Be bop, baby" you know, OK. 510 00:29:51,035 --> 00:29:53,194 We were on tour with Bonnie & Delaney. 511 00:29:53,195 --> 00:29:56,114 They came over to England and George was a big fan. 512 00:29:56,115 --> 00:29:59,714 And one place we were, we had a piano in the dressing room. 513 00:29:59,715 --> 00:30:03,514 And, uh, the discussion was, how do you write a gospel song? 514 00:30:03,515 --> 00:30:06,594 So I went to the piano and started playing some gospel changes. 515 00:30:06,595 --> 00:30:08,754 And I don't know if it was Delaney or Bonnie, 516 00:30:08,755 --> 00:30:10,834 but one of them starts, ** Oh, my Lord. ** 517 00:30:10,835 --> 00:30:13,474 And then they went on ** We say hallelu... ** 518 00:30:13,475 --> 00:30:18,675 ** My sweet Lord Mmm, my Lord ** 519 00:30:20,515 --> 00:30:22,114 ** My sweet Lord... ** 520 00:30:22,115 --> 00:30:26,195 ** Well, I really wanna see you ** 521 00:30:27,675 --> 00:30:30,234 ** I really want to be with you ** 522 00:30:30,235 --> 00:30:33,234 ** I really want to see you, Lord ** 523 00:30:33,235 --> 00:30:35,714 ** But it takes so long, oh, Lord ** 524 00:30:35,715 --> 00:30:40,914 ** My sweet Lord. ** 525 00:30:44,675 --> 00:30:48,475 ** My sweet Lord ** 526 00:30:54,395 --> 00:30:56,794 ** Oh, my sweet Lord ** 527 00:30:56,795 --> 00:30:59,314 ** Oh, my... ** 528 00:30:59,315 --> 00:31:02,875 What is it about it that makes it so timeless? 529 00:31:04,235 --> 00:31:08,474 Well, is it? Uh, first it's simple, 530 00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:11,034 you know, and the repetition. 531 00:31:11,035 --> 00:31:15,674 You know, really, I think, the thing about a mantra, 532 00:31:15,675 --> 00:31:17,714 you see, it's got a mantra in there. 533 00:31:17,715 --> 00:31:19,995 And, uh, mantras are... 534 00:31:21,395 --> 00:31:27,754 Well, they call it a mystical sound vibration 535 00:31:27,755 --> 00:31:30,074 encased in a syllable. 536 00:31:30,075 --> 00:31:35,994 It has this power within it, and you know, it's just hypnotic 537 00:31:35,995 --> 00:31:39,994 and it's kinda nice. You know, it's nice. 538 00:31:39,995 --> 00:31:42,794 I mean, I'd have done that mantra for ages. 539 00:31:42,795 --> 00:31:46,554 Once I chanted it for, like, three days non-stop 540 00:31:46,555 --> 00:31:48,954 just driving through Europe. 541 00:31:48,955 --> 00:31:52,394 And you just get like hypnotised. You get a... 542 00:31:52,395 --> 00:31:55,434 on some subtle level which makes you feel 543 00:31:55,435 --> 00:31:57,395 so good that you don't want to stop. 544 00:31:57,396 --> 00:32:00,555 "My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison 545 00:32:49,355 --> 00:32:54,714 George's huge commitment to Indian spirituality 546 00:32:54,715 --> 00:32:58,914 and how that would lead him to be fairly dismissive of 547 00:32:58,915 --> 00:33:01,714 the material things that we'd all come to enjoy, 548 00:33:01,715 --> 00:33:07,154 you know, and so he was trying to remove himself from that in some way, 549 00:33:07,155 --> 00:33:10,434 and even in a physical way, you know? 550 00:33:10,435 --> 00:33:13,274 And I had become, bit by bit, 551 00:33:13,275 --> 00:33:18,314 more and more obsessed with his wife Pattie. 552 00:33:18,315 --> 00:33:21,354 And was making amateur kind of inroads 553 00:33:21,355 --> 00:33:23,994 into finding out what was going on 554 00:33:23,995 --> 00:33:27,714 and what was happening to their relationship. 555 00:33:27,715 --> 00:33:31,514 And at the same time trying to balance my relationship with him. 556 00:33:31,515 --> 00:33:34,514 And when we finally did start to act it out, 557 00:33:34,515 --> 00:33:37,634 I mean, I went to George right away and said, 558 00:33:37,635 --> 00:33:40,074 "Look, I think this is going to happen, 559 00:33:40,075 --> 00:33:42,194 "and I think, you know, it is already, 560 00:33:42,195 --> 00:33:43,914 "there's the feelings there. 561 00:33:43,915 --> 00:33:49,034 I have to know what you feel about that." 562 00:33:49,035 --> 00:33:53,514 It was almost like, well, if you want me to stop and go away, 563 00:33:53,515 --> 00:33:56,074 I will, you know. But I need to know what... 564 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:59,714 And he was very kind of cavalier, you know? 565 00:33:59,715 --> 00:34:03,234 He said, "Well, take her. She's yours," kind of thing, 566 00:34:03,235 --> 00:34:06,314 "But, in fact, can I have that, we'll swap." 567 00:34:06,315 --> 00:34:12,714 And to be honest, it had kind of almost got to that before anyway. 568 00:34:12,715 --> 00:34:15,234 There was a lot of kind of swapping going on, 569 00:34:15,235 --> 00:34:16,874 and a lot of fooling around. 570 00:34:16,875 --> 00:34:19,554 And this is, you know, '60s free-love stuff. 571 00:34:19,555 --> 00:34:20,714 I mean, so... 572 00:34:20,715 --> 00:34:26,434 And George's attitude seemed to have more wisdom in it than anyone else's, 573 00:34:26,435 --> 00:34:29,794 in that this is all material, it's all Maya, 574 00:34:29,795 --> 00:34:33,754 it's all irrelevant to the bigger picture. 575 00:34:33,755 --> 00:34:35,874 Doesn't really matter, in other words. 576 00:34:35,875 --> 00:34:38,114 And I thought, phew, God, you know, well, 577 00:34:38,115 --> 00:34:40,634 that's almost like giving me carte blanche. 578 00:34:40,635 --> 00:34:45,994 From time to time, during the spring and summer of 1970 579 00:34:45,995 --> 00:34:47,594 Eric and I saw each other. 580 00:34:47,595 --> 00:34:50,554 One day we were walking down Oxford Street when 581 00:34:50,555 --> 00:34:53,754 Eric said, "Do you like me, then, or are you seeing me 582 00:34:53,755 --> 00:34:55,434 "because I'm famous?" 583 00:34:55,435 --> 00:34:59,154 I replied, "Oh, I thought you were seeing me because I'm famous." 584 00:34:59,155 --> 00:35:00,554 And we both laughed. 585 00:35:00,555 --> 00:35:03,514 He always found it difficult to talk about his feelings. 586 00:35:03,515 --> 00:35:06,114 Instead, he poured them into his music and writing. 587 00:35:06,115 --> 00:35:08,714 Another of our secret meetings took place at a flat 588 00:35:08,715 --> 00:35:10,874 in South Kensington in London. 589 00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:13,274 Eric wanted me to listen to a song he'd written. 590 00:35:13,275 --> 00:35:16,594 He switched on the tape machine, turned up the volume, 591 00:35:16,595 --> 00:35:20,234 and played me the most powerful, moving song I'd ever heard. 592 00:35:20,235 --> 00:35:23,794 It was Layla, about a man who falls hopelessly in love with a woman 593 00:35:23,795 --> 00:35:26,434 who loves him but is unavailable. 594 00:35:26,435 --> 00:35:27,754 My first thought was, 595 00:35:27,755 --> 00:35:30,554 "Oh, God, everyone's going to know who this is." 596 00:35:30,555 --> 00:35:33,794 I felt uncomfortable that he was pushing me in a direction 597 00:35:33,795 --> 00:35:35,874 I wasn't certain I wanted to go. 598 00:35:35,875 --> 00:35:38,834 But the song got the better of me with the realisation that 599 00:35:38,835 --> 00:35:42,914 I had inspired such passion and such creativity. 600 00:35:42,915 --> 00:35:45,234 I could no longer resist. 601 00:35:45,235 --> 00:35:46,914 That evening, I went to a party 602 00:35:46,915 --> 00:35:49,354 at the rock manager Robert Stigwood's house 603 00:35:49,355 --> 00:35:52,154 in Stanmore, North London. 604 00:35:52,155 --> 00:35:55,234 George had said he didn't want to go. Eric was there. 605 00:35:55,235 --> 00:35:58,354 And I felt elated by what had happened earlier in the day. 606 00:35:58,355 --> 00:36:00,514 But also felt deeply guilty. 607 00:36:00,515 --> 00:36:02,354 ** Isn't it a pity... ** 608 00:36:02,355 --> 00:36:05,194 Much later in the evening, George appeared. 609 00:36:05,195 --> 00:36:06,994 He kept asking "Where's Pattie?" 610 00:36:06,995 --> 00:36:08,874 ** Isn't it a shame... ** 611 00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:12,435 He was about to leave when he spotted me in the garden with Eric. 612 00:36:13,515 --> 00:36:15,754 ** How we break each other's hearts... ** 613 00:36:15,755 --> 00:36:18,834 He came over to us and said, "What's going on?" 614 00:36:18,835 --> 00:36:22,234 ** And cause each other pain... ** 615 00:36:22,235 --> 00:36:26,674 Eric said, "I have to tell you, man, that I'm in love with your wife. 616 00:36:26,675 --> 00:36:29,514 ** How we take each other's love... ** 617 00:36:29,515 --> 00:36:31,994 George was furious. He turned to me and said... 618 00:36:31,995 --> 00:36:34,314 ** Without thinking any more... ** 619 00:36:34,315 --> 00:36:38,674 .."Well, are you going with him or coming with me?" 620 00:36:38,675 --> 00:36:41,874 ** Forgetting to give back... ** 621 00:36:41,875 --> 00:36:44,514 And I said, "George, I'm coming home." 622 00:36:44,515 --> 00:36:46,595 ** Isn't it a pity... ** 623 00:37:15,715 --> 00:37:17,835 ** Wah-wah ** 624 00:37:19,035 --> 00:37:22,115 ** You've given me a wah-wah ** 625 00:37:25,835 --> 00:37:29,475 ** And I'm thinking of you ** 626 00:37:30,995 --> 00:37:35,354 ** And all the things that we used to do ** 627 00:37:35,355 --> 00:37:38,395 ** Wah-wah ** 628 00:37:39,995 --> 00:37:42,955 ** Wah-wah... ** 629 00:37:53,875 --> 00:37:57,754 George was always so in tune with people. He loved Ravi. 630 00:37:57,755 --> 00:38:00,034 When Ravi told him how bad it was, 631 00:38:00,035 --> 00:38:02,914 I think he just started making calls immediately. 632 00:38:02,915 --> 00:38:06,554 Ravi came to me and he said if he was to do a concert, maybe 633 00:38:06,555 --> 00:38:10,794 play to so many thousand people, but to the size of the problem, 634 00:38:10,795 --> 00:38:14,914 the money, the funds that would be made would just be so small. 635 00:38:14,915 --> 00:38:18,474 So that's where I came along. 636 00:38:18,475 --> 00:38:23,674 I can generate money by doing concerts and by making records. 637 00:38:23,675 --> 00:38:26,874 George, how much money do you hope to get from this? 638 00:38:26,875 --> 00:38:29,394 Well, it depends really. 639 00:38:29,395 --> 00:38:33,074 Maybe through the concerts, we could estimate maybe about... 640 00:38:33,075 --> 00:38:34,194 How much? 641 00:38:34,195 --> 00:38:38,514 Quarter of a million. Maybe 250,000 from the concert. 642 00:38:38,515 --> 00:38:41,714 But if we record the concert and film the concert 643 00:38:41,715 --> 00:38:45,554 then maybe that would be a greater way of making the money. 644 00:38:45,555 --> 00:38:50,355 You know, a record could possibly sell a million, two million. 645 00:39:11,435 --> 00:39:13,874 Thank you. If you appreciate the tuning so much, 646 00:39:13,875 --> 00:39:18,275 I hope you'll enjoy the playing more. Thank you. 647 00:40:07,195 --> 00:40:09,954 ** Watch out now, take care ** 648 00:40:09,955 --> 00:40:12,995 ** Beware of falling swingers ** 649 00:40:17,995 --> 00:40:20,875 ** Dropping all around you ** 650 00:40:25,035 --> 00:40:26,995 ** The pain that often mingles ** 651 00:40:29,515 --> 00:40:34,834 ** In your fingertips ** 652 00:40:34,835 --> 00:40:39,315 ** Beware of darkness ** 653 00:40:45,555 --> 00:40:48,474 ** Watch out now, take care ** 654 00:40:48,475 --> 00:40:52,635 ** Beware of the thoughts that linger ** 655 00:40:57,355 --> 00:40:59,595 ** Winding up inside your head ** 656 00:41:04,435 --> 00:41:08,914 ** The hopelessness around you ** 657 00:41:08,915 --> 00:41:12,035 ** In the dead of night ** 658 00:41:16,155 --> 00:41:18,914 ** Beware of sadness ** 659 00:41:18,915 --> 00:41:21,715 ** It can hit you ** 660 00:41:23,395 --> 00:41:26,435 ** It will hurt you ** 661 00:41:28,035 --> 00:41:32,434 ** Make you sore and what is more ** 662 00:41:32,435 --> 00:41:37,355 ** That is not what you are here for. ** 663 00:41:38,715 --> 00:41:42,474 There were two concerts. One in the afternoon at two 664 00:41:42,475 --> 00:41:44,354 and one at eight o'clock. 665 00:41:44,355 --> 00:41:49,274 It was the first of its kind, benefit by stars 666 00:41:49,275 --> 00:41:53,794 for a relief concert and it was magical. 667 00:41:53,795 --> 00:41:55,675 That's the only word to describe it 668 00:41:55,676 --> 00:41:58,794 because nobody had ever seen anything like that before, 669 00:41:58,795 --> 00:42:04,634 that amount of star power on stage since Woodstock. 670 00:42:04,635 --> 00:42:08,594 And this was all in two hours on stage at one time. 671 00:42:08,595 --> 00:42:11,954 Eric was there. Leon Russell was there. 672 00:42:11,955 --> 00:42:13,314 Ringo was there. 673 00:42:13,315 --> 00:42:17,074 Dylan was a no-show up until the last minute. 674 00:42:17,075 --> 00:42:21,274 I had to go down to his apartment and literally get him. 675 00:42:21,275 --> 00:42:23,034 It was chaos. 676 00:42:23,035 --> 00:42:25,794 So we didn't know what we were doing, 677 00:42:25,795 --> 00:42:29,634 and mics were all over the place. 678 00:42:29,635 --> 00:42:32,714 We only had three hours to mic the band. 679 00:42:32,715 --> 00:42:34,714 Then the audience came in. 680 00:42:34,715 --> 00:42:37,394 We didn't know how to mic the audience. 681 00:42:37,395 --> 00:42:42,554 So the mixing took six months. The concert took, 682 00:42:42,555 --> 00:42:45,234 the two concerts took four hours. 683 00:42:45,235 --> 00:42:49,954 And we had to put together what was a Grammy-winning album. 684 00:42:49,955 --> 00:42:52,634 George knew all these people. 685 00:42:52,635 --> 00:42:58,034 You know, they were his close friends. I got that second-hand. 686 00:42:58,035 --> 00:43:00,514 You know, I got to meet the great Alla Rakha, 687 00:43:00,515 --> 00:43:03,274 the greatest tabla player who ever lived, you know? 688 00:43:03,275 --> 00:43:04,834 George was always saying, 689 00:43:04,835 --> 00:43:07,834 "Ask Alla Rakha to show you some things." 690 00:43:07,835 --> 00:43:10,554 And so, I think he finally 691 00:43:10,555 --> 00:43:13,474 got the picture that he oughta show me some things. 692 00:43:13,475 --> 00:43:15,015 So he would hold his hands and he'd go... 693 00:43:15,016 --> 00:43:18,194 And he'd do this whole thing, 694 00:43:18,195 --> 00:43:20,954 this Indian-technique thing and George would be watching. 695 00:43:20,955 --> 00:43:23,754 I'd look up a few times and George would be watching 696 00:43:23,755 --> 00:43:25,114 and laughing, you know? 697 00:43:25,115 --> 00:43:27,794 How am I supposed to understand what it is he's doing. 698 00:43:27,795 --> 00:43:30,034 This genius trying to teach a rock drummer. 699 00:43:30,035 --> 00:43:33,954 I really appreciated in later days that he actually 700 00:43:33,955 --> 00:43:37,634 went in front of that audience on the Bangladesh concert 701 00:43:37,635 --> 00:43:39,874 because he did it for his friends. 702 00:43:39,875 --> 00:43:42,954 That he actually went up there and talked to an audience. 703 00:43:42,955 --> 00:43:46,634 I think that must have been about the first time he's ever done this. 704 00:43:46,635 --> 00:43:49,714 You see, a few things in English, or a few things in German 705 00:43:49,715 --> 00:43:53,274 on the stage where it didn't matter, is a big difference than 706 00:43:53,275 --> 00:43:56,714 to an audience where he knew it was going to be filmed and used. 707 00:43:56,715 --> 00:43:59,994 To talk to an audience was very, very difficult for him. 708 00:43:59,995 --> 00:44:02,954 There's somebody on bass who many people have heard about 709 00:44:02,955 --> 00:44:04,954 but they never actually have seen him. 710 00:44:04,955 --> 00:44:06,514 Klaus Voormann. 711 00:44:08,515 --> 00:44:09,954 'And one day, ' 712 00:44:09,955 --> 00:44:13,634 I was pretty upset. And we walked in the garden. 713 00:44:13,635 --> 00:44:16,194 And we didn't say much for a long time. 714 00:44:16,195 --> 00:44:20,235 We sat down on a bench, and we really... 715 00:44:22,515 --> 00:44:24,434 ..went inside of me. 716 00:44:24,435 --> 00:44:31,274 He wanted to really find out what made me so sad. 717 00:44:31,275 --> 00:44:33,674 And he did it in such a fantastic way. 718 00:44:33,675 --> 00:44:37,794 I can't repeat the words, or I can't tell you 719 00:44:37,795 --> 00:44:42,394 exactly what it is, but he just, in a fantastic way, 720 00:44:42,395 --> 00:44:44,274 made me feel good. 721 00:44:44,275 --> 00:44:48,474 Found out what the problem is in no time. 722 00:44:48,475 --> 00:44:53,514 You know, nobody's ever done this before and will never do it again. 723 00:44:53,515 --> 00:44:59,434 George is a very extreme character. He always goes to the extreme. 724 00:44:59,435 --> 00:45:03,474 If it's taking coke, you know, sniffing coke, 725 00:45:03,475 --> 00:45:08,954 or if it is being open to meditation. 726 00:45:08,955 --> 00:45:12,994 He was in New York, and one time I said, 727 00:45:12,995 --> 00:45:15,154 "I'll come over and watch you." 728 00:45:15,155 --> 00:45:17,994 And he said, "OK." And then he said, "Oh, Klaus is coming. 729 00:45:17,995 --> 00:45:21,434 "Hide the stuff." And that made me very, very sad. 730 00:45:21,435 --> 00:45:26,754 I lived first in the main house, in a room. Old Victorian house. 731 00:45:26,755 --> 00:45:30,754 Beautiful old kitchen. In the early days, you had your servants. 732 00:45:30,755 --> 00:45:33,914 They were going from the kitchen to the front room 733 00:45:33,915 --> 00:45:35,514 and bringing you the food. 734 00:45:35,515 --> 00:45:39,914 They had to walk through five doors, "Oh, I left the spoons." 735 00:45:39,915 --> 00:45:45,434 Had to go back. It was really crazy. It was not meant to be lived in 736 00:45:45,435 --> 00:45:48,674 by normal people. 737 00:45:48,675 --> 00:45:52,114 So I at a certain point suggested to George, 738 00:45:52,115 --> 00:45:56,954 "Why don't you put the kitchen where you are? Just build a kitchen!" 739 00:45:56,955 --> 00:45:58,834 He said, "That's a good idea." 740 00:45:58,835 --> 00:46:01,315 So he actually built a kitchen downstairs 741 00:46:01,316 --> 00:46:03,794 where you look into the garden. 742 00:46:03,795 --> 00:46:06,714 The man who built the house, he must have been a nutcase. 743 00:46:06,715 --> 00:46:09,434 Just a complete maniac. 744 00:46:09,435 --> 00:46:10,794 One thing, for example, 745 00:46:10,795 --> 00:46:18,554 he has a picture of a friar with a frying pan in his hand. 746 00:46:18,555 --> 00:46:23,915 And with holes in it. And it says underneath, "Two holy friars." 747 00:46:25,235 --> 00:46:27,834 You know. Stupid stuff, in a way. 748 00:46:27,835 --> 00:46:31,994 It's not really very bright. But that's what the whole place was. 749 00:46:31,995 --> 00:46:34,194 It was like a joke, in a way. 750 00:46:34,195 --> 00:46:35,994 "Before I bought it, the house 751 00:46:35,995 --> 00:46:39,234 "was going to be knocked down because the Catholics would not pay 752 00:46:39,235 --> 00:46:40,435 "for the upkeep. 753 00:46:40,436 --> 00:46:43,034 "What a thing to knock down a house like this. 754 00:46:43,035 --> 00:46:44,954 "Sir Frank helped my awareness. 755 00:46:44,955 --> 00:46:48,394 "Whatever it was I felt became stronger or found more expression 756 00:46:48,395 --> 00:46:50,154 "by moving into that house, 757 00:46:50,155 --> 00:46:52,754 "because everything stepped up or was heightened. 758 00:46:52,755 --> 00:46:55,474 "There were disasters all around at that time. 759 00:46:55,475 --> 00:46:58,514 "Some were great, some were awful, some were drawn out, 760 00:46:58,515 --> 00:47:00,514 "painful, miserable. 761 00:47:00,515 --> 00:47:02,674 "Some were not disasters after all. 762 00:47:02,675 --> 00:47:05,234 "But the thing about Sir Frank with his advice like, 763 00:47:05,235 --> 00:47:09,154 "'Scan not a friend with microscopic glass.' 764 00:47:09,155 --> 00:47:10,634 "I mean, that helped me 765 00:47:10,635 --> 00:47:14,074 "actively to ease up on whomsoever I thought I loved. 766 00:47:14,075 --> 00:47:17,594 "It gave me the consciousness not to hang onto the negative side 767 00:47:17,595 --> 00:47:19,635 "of it, to be more forgiving." 768 00:47:21,475 --> 00:47:27,794 One way of starting a day was for him to get up when the sun gets up, 769 00:47:27,795 --> 00:47:30,074 sit down and meditate. 770 00:47:30,075 --> 00:47:33,034 For a long time he had a special room in the house 771 00:47:33,035 --> 00:47:35,234 where he was going to meditate. 772 00:47:35,235 --> 00:47:36,994 And he was very proud of this. 773 00:47:36,995 --> 00:47:41,074 He would come to me and tell me about it, how strong he was, 774 00:47:41,075 --> 00:47:45,514 and he was fighting the bad parts in his body and, uh, 775 00:47:45,515 --> 00:47:47,995 he was really opening up. 776 00:47:49,315 --> 00:47:53,834 George liked turning you on to things that he liked 777 00:47:53,835 --> 00:47:56,714 and was interested in, whether you were a little kid 778 00:47:56,715 --> 00:47:58,994 or whether you were a grown up. 779 00:47:58,995 --> 00:48:06,514 For our kids their first experiences at George's house were not unlike 780 00:48:06,515 --> 00:48:09,034 the experience that Derek and I had 781 00:48:09,035 --> 00:48:14,034 when we went on that weekend to Sussex, but without the drugs. 782 00:48:14,035 --> 00:48:18,554 The impression it made upon them, it's such a wonderful place. 783 00:48:18,555 --> 00:48:23,514 The caves, the lake, the shape of the house. Everything. 784 00:48:23,515 --> 00:48:26,874 The detail. It was just a dream. 785 00:48:26,875 --> 00:48:29,514 ** Give me love, give me love ** 786 00:48:29,515 --> 00:48:32,874 ** Give me peace on Earth ** 787 00:48:32,875 --> 00:48:35,914 ** Give me light, give me life ** 788 00:48:35,915 --> 00:48:39,114 ** Keep me free from birth ** 789 00:48:39,115 --> 00:48:41,834 ** Give me hope, help me cope ** 790 00:48:41,835 --> 00:48:45,074 ** With this heavy load ** 791 00:48:45,075 --> 00:48:48,874 ** Trying to touch and reach you ** 792 00:48:48,875 --> 00:48:52,194 ** With heart and soul ** 793 00:48:52,195 --> 00:48:55,075 ** Oh ** 794 00:48:58,755 --> 00:49:01,675 ** My Lord ** 795 00:49:04,635 --> 00:49:06,635 ** Please ** 796 00:49:10,675 --> 00:49:13,274 ** Take hold of my hand... ** 797 00:49:13,275 --> 00:49:15,314 He created an atmosphere in the studio. 798 00:49:15,315 --> 00:49:19,514 He put up joss sticks, make a nice smell. He put the lights down. 799 00:49:19,515 --> 00:49:24,874 He really made it into a real tranquil, nice sort of surrounding. 800 00:49:24,875 --> 00:49:27,194 Everybody felt just great. 801 00:49:27,195 --> 00:49:31,394 He would sit down with the guitar most of the time, 802 00:49:31,395 --> 00:49:33,114 play the song to us. 803 00:49:33,115 --> 00:49:35,394 And then slowly we'd start 804 00:49:35,395 --> 00:49:39,114 picking up on what the feel of the song was. 805 00:49:39,115 --> 00:49:42,034 We could take our time, find our sound, 806 00:49:42,035 --> 00:49:44,875 do what we wanted, make suggestions. 807 00:50:02,475 --> 00:50:05,234 George had such a beautiful touch 808 00:50:05,235 --> 00:50:06,994 on the slide, you know. 809 00:50:06,995 --> 00:50:10,754 George had that kind of sound that'd make you cry. 810 00:50:10,755 --> 00:50:13,954 When I hear certain songs he's played slide on, 811 00:50:13,955 --> 00:50:16,674 it just takes me right to a place. 812 00:50:16,675 --> 00:50:20,994 He loved to find the right note and, you know, if you listen to 813 00:50:20,995 --> 00:50:23,635 anything he's playing the solo on, he certainly did. 814 00:50:24,755 --> 00:50:27,714 If I had him on my records, you didn't have to read it, 815 00:50:27,715 --> 00:50:29,394 "Oh, that's George." You know? 816 00:50:29,395 --> 00:50:32,514 He found that incredible, it's like a haunting 817 00:50:32,515 --> 00:50:37,794 and emotional sound he got from his slide-ish guitar. 818 00:50:37,795 --> 00:50:42,954 With Ravi, the times when he's completely absorbed 819 00:50:42,955 --> 00:50:46,034 so much into the music where he's forgotten 820 00:50:46,035 --> 00:50:48,914 that he's even sitting there playing. Mm-hm. 821 00:50:48,915 --> 00:50:51,634 And he only remembers when he's finished the piece 822 00:50:51,635 --> 00:50:53,794 and he comes out and the audience applaud. 823 00:50:53,795 --> 00:50:56,394 That's the moment when he realises he's transcended 824 00:50:56,395 --> 00:51:00,034 and been somewhere, which is the same in meditation. 825 00:51:00,035 --> 00:51:05,474 Sometimes, I think great people can project their greatness. 826 00:51:05,475 --> 00:51:08,194 They don't have to shout about it. 827 00:51:08,195 --> 00:51:09,754 The concert Eric did, 828 00:51:09,755 --> 00:51:12,714 Eric Clapton at the Rainbow. 829 00:51:12,715 --> 00:51:15,274 Watching the concert, I was so aware of Eric. 830 00:51:15,275 --> 00:51:17,874 All he did was he had his eyes closed 831 00:51:17,875 --> 00:51:21,394 and he was playing some fantastic guitar, 832 00:51:21,395 --> 00:51:23,714 and his foot was tapping. 833 00:51:23,715 --> 00:51:27,395 The thing was that the magic was coming out of Eric's... 834 00:51:28,835 --> 00:51:30,154 ..soul, or whatever. Mm. 835 00:51:30,155 --> 00:51:31,914 Through his guitar. Yeah. 836 00:51:31,915 --> 00:51:35,035 And it was at that point where he just looked like an angel. 837 00:51:36,035 --> 00:51:38,554 When George was ready to make a record, 838 00:51:38,555 --> 00:51:40,634 he'd just say he's got some new songs, 839 00:51:40,635 --> 00:51:44,634 and, uh, would I be wanting to, you know, come and play on 'em. 840 00:51:44,635 --> 00:51:47,834 When he put out Living In The Material World, on the back 841 00:51:47,835 --> 00:51:50,874 of the record he put, "Jim Keltner Fan Club... 842 00:51:50,875 --> 00:51:56,514 "send a self-undressed elephant to Jim Keltner Fan Club." All that. 843 00:51:56,515 --> 00:51:59,914 And so I saw that, I went, "George, what's that, man? 844 00:51:59,915 --> 00:52:01,195 "What did you do?" 845 00:52:01,196 --> 00:52:05,194 And he said, "Well, I figured if I'm going to do a fan club, 846 00:52:05,195 --> 00:52:08,514 I'm going to make it about somebody who I'm a big fan of." 847 00:52:08,515 --> 00:52:10,314 What a tremendous thing, you know? 848 00:52:10,315 --> 00:52:14,674 It was a little embarrassing, but yet it just, you know, 849 00:52:14,675 --> 00:52:17,754 George was always having fun. 850 00:52:17,755 --> 00:52:21,034 I was getting, uh, weird letters from crazy people. 851 00:52:21,035 --> 00:52:24,394 I got a couple of Polaroids from this crazy guy. 852 00:52:24,395 --> 00:52:26,914 There was an arrow through a piece of meat, 853 00:52:26,915 --> 00:52:29,834 I think it was a heart, I think he bought a heart or something, 854 00:52:29,835 --> 00:52:33,634 some kind of big piece of meat, and there was an arrow going through it. 855 00:52:33,635 --> 00:52:35,634 You know, and then there was like, 856 00:52:35,635 --> 00:52:38,234 one with a knife and blood dripping, and that was 857 00:52:38,235 --> 00:52:43,235 right about the time that I, uh, had bars put on our windows. 858 00:52:44,395 --> 00:52:46,354 George stepped back. 859 00:52:46,355 --> 00:52:53,514 And that step back to me means that he got very heavily into drugs 860 00:52:53,515 --> 00:52:58,515 and things, which, I don't know the reason why that happened. 861 00:53:15,675 --> 00:53:18,394 ** What I feel ** 862 00:53:18,395 --> 00:53:22,154 ** I can't say I can't say ** 863 00:53:22,155 --> 00:53:28,435 ** My love is there for you every time of day ** 864 00:53:30,315 --> 00:53:33,434 ** If it's not love If it's not love ** 865 00:53:33,435 --> 00:53:37,074 ** That you need That you really, really need ** 866 00:53:37,075 --> 00:53:43,035 ** I try my best to make everything succeed ** 867 00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:49,714 ** Tell me what is my life without your love? ** 868 00:53:49,715 --> 00:53:51,354 ** Hey, man ** 869 00:53:51,355 --> 00:53:56,915 ** Tell me who am I without you ** 870 00:53:59,275 --> 00:54:01,234 ** By my side? ** 871 00:54:01,235 --> 00:54:03,115 ** Oh, tell me... ** 872 00:54:10,155 --> 00:54:14,234 Recommended by Eric Clapton, 873 00:54:14,235 --> 00:54:19,794 Barbra Streisand and many other top-notch singers and entertainers. 874 00:54:19,795 --> 00:54:24,914 Secret mixture of honey, vinegar and... 875 00:54:24,915 --> 00:54:26,195 warm water. 876 00:54:31,275 --> 00:54:35,114 And your throat will never bother you again. 877 00:54:35,115 --> 00:54:37,075 You just won't have a throat! 878 00:54:39,395 --> 00:54:43,274 But it coats what you don't have, so they tell me. 879 00:54:43,275 --> 00:54:45,395 And... 880 00:55:59,235 --> 00:56:01,594 Hey, the ex-Beatle himself. Get a programme! 881 00:56:01,595 --> 00:56:03,434 Hey, today's two-head programme! 882 00:56:03,435 --> 00:56:07,634 Hey, George, ex-Beatle, Harrison programme! 883 00:56:07,635 --> 00:56:10,715 ** You thought that you knew where I was and when ** 884 00:56:11,995 --> 00:56:14,995 ** It looks like you've been foolin' you again ** 885 00:56:17,035 --> 00:56:20,195 ** You thought that you had got me all staked out ** 886 00:56:21,875 --> 00:56:25,955 ** But, baby, looks like I've been breaking out ** 887 00:56:27,355 --> 00:56:29,955 ** I'm a dark horse ** 888 00:56:32,595 --> 00:56:35,035 ** I'm running on a dark race course ** 889 00:56:36,675 --> 00:56:39,915 ** And now I'm a blue moon ** 890 00:56:42,235 --> 00:56:45,275 ** Since I stepped out of the womb ** 891 00:56:47,235 --> 00:56:49,715 ** I've been a cool jerk ** 892 00:56:52,795 --> 00:56:55,035 ** Looking for the source ** 893 00:56:56,875 --> 00:56:59,875 ** I'm a dark horse. ** 894 00:57:02,915 --> 00:57:04,594 The critics were brutal. 895 00:57:04,595 --> 00:57:07,354 I remember that about Ravi opening the show 896 00:57:07,355 --> 00:57:11,434 and then about George's voice being gone and shot. 897 00:57:11,435 --> 00:57:13,655 Yeah, it probably, his voice probably was 898 00:57:13,656 --> 00:57:15,874 very weak or, you know, and beat-up. 899 00:57:15,875 --> 00:57:19,594 And maybe a lot of people they saw bored with the Indian set. 900 00:57:19,595 --> 00:57:21,575 But that did not deter George. 901 00:57:21,576 --> 00:57:23,554 And, by the way, not everybody was bored with it. 902 00:57:23,555 --> 00:57:26,594 And not everybody thought that his voice sounded horrible. 903 00:57:26,595 --> 00:57:29,194 They just loved hearing those songs and him trying... 904 00:57:29,195 --> 00:57:31,034 to deliver them the best he could. 905 00:57:31,035 --> 00:57:35,634 My next move will be Madison Square Garden. 906 00:57:35,635 --> 00:57:39,034 After that, I'll go back to the hotel, 907 00:57:39,035 --> 00:57:41,514 then it'll be Madison Square Garden again. 908 00:57:41,515 --> 00:57:43,074 ** Baby, looks like you...** 909 00:57:43,075 --> 00:57:46,635 After that, I'll probably just collapse. I don't know. 910 00:57:53,275 --> 00:57:54,594 He liked the moon. 911 00:57:54,595 --> 00:57:58,354 You know, if the wind was blowing and the full moon was up, 912 00:57:58,355 --> 00:58:01,674 he'd put on Bing Crosby singing Sweet Leilani 913 00:58:01,675 --> 00:58:05,514 and just make the moment even better. 914 00:58:05,515 --> 00:58:08,114 And then he might hand you a gardenia. 915 00:58:08,115 --> 00:58:12,074 He just painted life like that. 916 00:58:12,075 --> 00:58:16,035 He drew all the elements in. He was a very sensual person. 917 00:58:17,035 --> 00:58:22,434 Sensual in the way that whatever you ate had to have a flavour. 918 00:58:22,435 --> 00:58:25,314 You know, had to have some special flavour. 919 00:58:25,315 --> 00:58:30,154 If there was a flower, he wanted it to smell or be bright. 920 00:58:30,155 --> 00:58:33,034 When I first met him, he said, "I don't want you to think 921 00:58:33,035 --> 00:58:35,874 "you've discovered something about me I don't know. 922 00:58:35,875 --> 00:58:39,195 "I'm not claiming to be this or that or anything. 923 00:58:40,475 --> 00:58:44,995 "People think they've found you out when I'm not hiding anything." 924 00:58:47,355 --> 00:58:51,914 For whatever his, you know, faults were, and his... 925 00:58:51,915 --> 00:58:53,754 He had karma to work out. 926 00:58:53,755 --> 00:58:56,674 And he wasn't going to come back and be bad. 927 00:58:56,675 --> 00:59:00,194 He was going to be good and bad and loving and angry 928 00:59:00,195 --> 00:59:02,034 and everything all at once. 929 00:59:02,035 --> 00:59:05,674 You know, if someone said to you "OK, you can go through your life 930 00:59:05,675 --> 00:59:08,234 "and you can have everything in five lifetimes, 931 00:59:08,235 --> 00:59:11,154 "or you can have a really intense one and have it in one, 932 00:59:11,155 --> 00:59:13,234 "and then you can go and be liberated", 933 00:59:13,235 --> 00:59:16,634 he would've said, "Give me the one. I'm not coming back here." 934 00:59:16,635 --> 00:59:18,714 I thought he was really... 935 00:59:18,715 --> 00:59:22,074 somebody who was saying something that I connected with. 936 00:59:22,075 --> 00:59:24,114 He was really a very captivating person. 937 00:59:24,115 --> 00:59:26,714 And we seemed, he was working. 938 00:59:26,715 --> 00:59:29,314 And I liked, uh, you know, I liked the music. 939 00:59:29,315 --> 00:59:32,914 I liked what he was doing. We just seemed like partners... 940 00:59:32,915 --> 00:59:34,955 from the very beginning. 941 00:59:36,995 --> 00:59:38,795 Jim Keltner's here? Yeah. 942 00:59:40,155 --> 00:59:42,554 About how long does it look like? 943 00:59:42,555 --> 00:59:45,034 About three minutes. Good. 944 00:59:45,035 --> 00:59:48,394 ** Everyone has choice ** 945 00:59:48,395 --> 00:59:52,954 ** When to or not to raise their voices ** 946 00:59:52,955 --> 00:59:55,474 ** It's you that decides ** 947 00:59:55,475 --> 00:59:58,314 ** Which way you will turn ** 948 00:59:58,315 --> 01:00:02,275 ** While feeling that our love's not your concern ** 949 01:00:03,555 --> 01:00:05,435 ** It's you that decides ** 950 01:00:06,875 --> 01:00:12,594 ** No-one around you will carry the blame for you ** 951 01:00:12,595 --> 01:00:14,634 ** No-one around you ** 952 01:00:14,635 --> 01:00:18,594 ** Will love you today and throw it all away ** 953 01:00:18,595 --> 01:00:20,874 ** Tomorrow when you rise...** 954 01:00:20,875 --> 01:00:25,954 'There was this amazing sunset. Just orange sky.' 955 01:00:25,955 --> 01:00:29,475 And he said, "That is what I want to do." 956 01:00:31,475 --> 01:00:35,594 Now...somebody might say, "What?" 957 01:00:35,595 --> 01:00:37,674 You know, "What do you want to do?" 958 01:00:37,675 --> 01:00:42,794 What? He wanted to make, he wanted to be able to create that sunset. 959 01:00:42,795 --> 01:00:44,195 When we were first on tour, 960 01:00:44,196 --> 01:00:47,234 and we were in customs and they were going through my baggage, 961 01:00:47,235 --> 01:00:50,074 I hadn't revealed anything to George, really. 962 01:00:50,075 --> 01:00:52,115 They're going through my handbag. 963 01:00:52,116 --> 01:00:54,154 He said, "Oh, you've got that book, do you..?" 964 01:00:54,155 --> 01:00:56,595 He was like going through my bag with the customs. 965 01:00:56,596 --> 01:00:59,034 "You read that, you've read that. That's good." 966 01:00:59,035 --> 01:01:02,275 He was approving of... 967 01:01:03,395 --> 01:01:06,034 ..of my journey, 968 01:01:06,035 --> 01:01:13,994 and he, I think, considered himself a bit of an expert on spiritual matters. 969 01:01:13,995 --> 01:01:16,234 Yeah, we had our differences. 970 01:01:16,235 --> 01:01:19,034 I might have done a different technique than he did. 971 01:01:19,035 --> 01:01:20,634 But we both had the same goal. 972 01:01:20,635 --> 01:01:25,634 And I think that was really the key to everything in our lives. 973 01:01:25,635 --> 01:01:30,594 He had this ability to bottom line everything by pulling focus 974 01:01:30,595 --> 01:01:33,994 and showing you the cosmic world of this galaxy 975 01:01:33,995 --> 01:01:37,474 and there you were suddenly, just this little person 976 01:01:37,475 --> 01:01:40,794 with his own little problems, fretting away on the surface. 977 01:01:40,795 --> 01:01:44,114 So, I had heard a little about George, uh, liking Python, 978 01:01:44,115 --> 01:01:46,834 and I'd been a bit wary because, you know... 979 01:01:46,835 --> 01:01:49,834 I don't want to know about somebody famous, you know. 980 01:01:49,835 --> 01:01:51,954 We had the screening of The Holy Grail 981 01:01:51,955 --> 01:01:54,075 and it went really well and suddenly there 982 01:01:54,076 --> 01:01:56,194 he was, going "Well, this is fucking great." 983 01:01:56,195 --> 01:01:57,914 And he said, "Let's go upstairs." 984 01:01:57,915 --> 01:02:02,074 And then we started a dialogue which went on for about 48 hours. 985 01:02:02,075 --> 01:02:05,834 It was extraordinary. I mean, it was like bla, bla, bla... 986 01:02:05,835 --> 01:02:09,954 Well, George was very fond of Rutland Weekend Television. 987 01:02:09,955 --> 01:02:14,314 On Rutland Weekend Television, we did a send-up called The Rutles. 988 01:02:14,315 --> 01:02:16,354 It was like a Hard Day's Rut. 989 01:02:16,355 --> 01:02:18,434 We were on Abbey Road filming. 990 01:02:18,435 --> 01:02:21,754 And I'm dressed as...Paul. 991 01:02:21,755 --> 01:02:29,114 And then Neil was dressed as John with a huge big beard. 992 01:02:29,115 --> 01:02:33,234 And we're there, we're on Abbey Road, and these people, "You're the Beatles! 993 01:02:33,235 --> 01:02:35,754 "You're the Beatles!" It's 20 years later, you know. 994 01:02:35,755 --> 01:02:39,434 "You think they're still here?" But George is standing with us, 995 01:02:39,435 --> 01:02:42,474 and they don't recognise him. He's laughing his ass off. 996 01:02:42,475 --> 01:02:46,594 We're getting signed autographs, and they don't notice it's George. 997 01:02:46,595 --> 01:02:51,354 Existence is kind of funny because of our temporality. 998 01:02:51,355 --> 01:02:54,074 Here we go round pretending to be kings and emperors, 999 01:02:54,075 --> 01:02:57,354 and you're going to die. You're in a box in a minute or two. 1000 01:02:57,355 --> 01:03:01,794 So we are constantly undercut by our own physicality, 1001 01:03:01,795 --> 01:03:05,234 our own physical bodies, which let us down. 1002 01:03:05,235 --> 01:03:07,274 And you find all these evangelicals, 1003 01:03:07,275 --> 01:03:10,194 and suddenly they're having gay sex in Aspen. 1004 01:03:10,195 --> 01:03:12,874 "Oh, this body's letting me down all the time." 1005 01:03:12,875 --> 01:03:14,594 that's what makes us funny. 1006 01:03:14,595 --> 01:03:17,874 George's grounding in what was... 1007 01:03:17,875 --> 01:03:21,474 both true and what was, he would test things by what made him laugh 1008 01:03:21,475 --> 01:03:24,234 or what was close to his heart. 1009 01:03:24,235 --> 01:03:27,114 I've always been surprised Python's proved to be 1010 01:03:27,115 --> 01:03:32,114 as long living as it has, cos we were just having fun, 1011 01:03:32,115 --> 01:03:35,274 just like they were having fun. We were entertaining ourselves. 1012 01:03:35,275 --> 01:03:38,074 We weren't thinking about the audience. 1013 01:03:38,075 --> 01:03:41,274 It's like John Lennon said, "You're still fucking peasants to me." 1014 01:03:41,275 --> 01:03:44,634 Certain things... There was a kind of arrogance there that... 1015 01:03:44,635 --> 01:03:46,874 you're not out there to, you know, 1016 01:03:46,875 --> 01:03:50,234 want to be loved so desperately that you'll do anything. 1017 01:03:50,235 --> 01:03:51,594 It's about... 1018 01:03:51,595 --> 01:03:55,114 maintaining your own integrity and your own view of the world, 1019 01:03:55,115 --> 01:03:57,954 whatever that is, and trying to be truthful about it. 1020 01:03:57,955 --> 01:03:59,994 We'd written Life of Brian. 1021 01:03:59,995 --> 01:04:03,714 We had EMI putting up the money for the movie. 1022 01:04:03,715 --> 01:04:07,354 We had designed it. We were heading out on the Saturday 1023 01:04:07,355 --> 01:04:11,234 with the crew to Tunisia to start building. 1024 01:04:11,235 --> 01:04:13,474 And on Thursday, we get a call. 1025 01:04:13,475 --> 01:04:16,834 And Lord Delfont - Bernie to his friends... 1026 01:04:16,835 --> 01:04:18,975 had finally got around to reading the script apparently. 1027 01:04:18,976 --> 01:04:21,114 He hadn't read it before. 1028 01:04:21,115 --> 01:04:23,034 He was shocked and horrified, 1029 01:04:23,035 --> 01:04:25,275 and said, "There's no way EMI's going to 1030 01:04:25,276 --> 01:04:27,514 be involved in this blasphemous filth." 1031 01:04:27,515 --> 01:04:30,034 And pulled the plug on the Thursday. 1032 01:04:30,035 --> 01:04:31,674 And we were dead. 1033 01:04:31,675 --> 01:04:34,434 I'd be calling George and he said, "No, I'll pay for it." 1034 01:04:34,435 --> 01:04:37,794 So I thought, yeah! All the time he said, "No, I'll take care of it." 1035 01:04:37,795 --> 01:04:42,314 And I thought, yeah. We were looking for 4 million, 1036 01:04:42,315 --> 01:04:44,634 and nobody has that amount of money, you know. 1037 01:04:44,635 --> 01:04:48,754 Eventually, when we got to California, George says, "I've figured it out. 1038 01:04:48,755 --> 01:04:53,234 "We're going to create a company and we're going to give you the money." 1039 01:04:53,235 --> 01:04:57,434 And it's 4 million and he'd mortgaged his house 1040 01:04:57,435 --> 01:05:01,554 to put up the money for this movie, because he wanted to see it. 1041 01:05:01,555 --> 01:05:05,034 Which is still the most anybody's ever paid for a cinema ticket. 1042 01:05:05,035 --> 01:05:06,954 Thank God you've come, Reg. 1043 01:05:06,955 --> 01:05:09,295 I think I should point out first, in all fairness, 1044 01:05:09,296 --> 01:05:11,634 that we are not, in fact, the rescue committee. 1045 01:05:11,635 --> 01:05:14,135 However, I have been asked to read the following 1046 01:05:14,136 --> 01:05:16,634 prepared statement on behalf of the movement. 1047 01:05:16,635 --> 01:05:20,194 "We the People's Front of Judea, brackets, officials, end brackets 1048 01:05:20,195 --> 01:05:22,515 "do hereby convey our sincere fraternal 1049 01:05:22,516 --> 01:05:24,834 and sisterly greetings to you, Brian, 1050 01:05:24,835 --> 01:05:27,474 "on this, the occasion of your martyrdom." 1051 01:05:27,475 --> 01:05:30,114 What?! Goodbye, Brian. And thanks. 1052 01:05:30,115 --> 01:05:35,114 If you care about what constitutes what we call western civilisation 1053 01:05:35,115 --> 01:05:38,114 and which now probably is coming to an end, 1054 01:05:38,115 --> 01:05:42,274 and you were to consider the role that's been played in that, 1055 01:05:42,275 --> 01:05:46,634 by this thing that you treat as a piece of buffoonery, 1056 01:05:46,635 --> 01:05:50,514 you would have a certain humility in saying 1057 01:05:50,515 --> 01:05:55,474 that you have been able, through making it, to shed light. 1058 01:05:55,475 --> 01:05:59,954 What we're saying is take a critical view, find out about it. 1059 01:05:59,955 --> 01:06:02,674 Don't just believe because somebody tells you to. 1060 01:06:02,675 --> 01:06:05,314 Somebody in the pulpit says something, question it. 1061 01:06:05,315 --> 01:06:09,514 You keep making the basic assumption that we are ridiculing Christ 1062 01:06:09,515 --> 01:06:13,514 and Christ's teaching. And I say that we are not. 1063 01:06:13,515 --> 01:06:17,234 Would you imagine your scene, for instance, the sermon on the mount, 1064 01:06:17,235 --> 01:06:20,834 the scene in your film of The Sermon on the Mount... Right. 1065 01:06:20,835 --> 01:06:23,874 ..is not ridiculing one of the most sublime utterances 1066 01:06:23,875 --> 01:06:27,794 that any human being has ever spoken on this Earth? Of course it is. 1067 01:06:27,795 --> 01:06:31,554 A lot of people looking in will think we have actually ridiculed Christ... 1068 01:06:31,555 --> 01:06:34,714 Yes...physically. Christ is played by an actor, Ken Colley. 1069 01:06:34,715 --> 01:06:37,495 He speaks the words from the sermon on the mount. 1070 01:06:37,496 --> 01:06:40,274 It's treated absolutely respectfully. 1071 01:06:40,275 --> 01:06:42,595 The camera pans away, we go right to the back 1072 01:06:42,596 --> 01:06:44,914 of the crowd to someone who shouts "Speak up!" 1073 01:06:44,915 --> 01:06:48,434 Because they cannot hear him. Now if that utterly... No... 1074 01:06:48,435 --> 01:06:50,915 ..undermines one's faith in Christ, then I 1075 01:06:50,916 --> 01:06:53,394 think their faith cannot be terribly strong. 1076 01:06:53,395 --> 01:06:56,794 I think he enjoyed the scandal of the whole thing. 1077 01:06:56,795 --> 01:07:00,114 He pretended not to, but I think when you actually can alienate 1078 01:07:00,115 --> 01:07:02,575 Protestants, Catholics and Jews all at one 1079 01:07:02,576 --> 01:07:05,034 go, you know, you're doing something. 1080 01:07:05,035 --> 01:07:06,435 ** Let me in here ** 1081 01:07:07,435 --> 01:07:09,075 ** I know I've been here ** 1082 01:07:10,995 --> 01:07:18,995 ** Let me into your heart ** 1083 01:07:20,595 --> 01:07:22,075 ** Let me know you ** 1084 01:07:23,315 --> 01:07:26,434 ** Let me show you ** 1085 01:07:26,435 --> 01:07:34,315 ** Let me roll it to you ** 1086 01:07:35,795 --> 01:07:38,435 ** All I have is yours ** 1087 01:07:41,475 --> 01:07:46,314 ** All you see is mine ** 1088 01:07:46,315 --> 01:07:50,794 ** And I'm glad to hold you in my arms ** 1089 01:07:50,795 --> 01:07:55,475 ** I'd have you any time... ** 1090 01:07:58,595 --> 01:08:01,394 When we were editing Life of Brian 1091 01:08:01,395 --> 01:08:05,314 and we just had a screening, and George was there, 1092 01:08:05,315 --> 01:08:08,154 and we then had a meeting afterwards with all of us, 1093 01:08:08,155 --> 01:08:11,834 Denis O'Brien, who was our manager, George and his manager at the time, 1094 01:08:11,835 --> 01:08:15,314 and George and it was a shocking moment for him 1095 01:08:15,315 --> 01:08:18,114 because there we were disagreeing about everything. 1096 01:08:18,115 --> 01:08:20,555 We were arguing what should stay in, what 1097 01:08:20,556 --> 01:08:22,994 should go out, what was working, what didn't 1098 01:08:22,995 --> 01:08:25,234 And I think he was genuinely disturbed 1099 01:08:25,235 --> 01:08:28,074 and I think it was the last meeting he ever came to 1100 01:08:28,075 --> 01:08:30,115 of the group cos I think after, I think 1101 01:08:30,116 --> 01:08:32,154 he wanted to believe in something. 1102 01:08:32,155 --> 01:08:35,634 He may talk about the spirit of the Beatles going into Python, 1103 01:08:35,635 --> 01:08:38,554 but I don't think he wanted the divisive nature of the spirit. 1104 01:08:38,555 --> 01:08:41,034 In 1979 I'd finished... 1105 01:08:41,035 --> 01:08:44,594 a two-man tour with Elton John. 1106 01:08:44,595 --> 01:08:48,714 And, as always when George was around in my life, 1107 01:08:48,715 --> 01:08:50,634 the phone would ring. 1108 01:08:50,635 --> 01:08:53,634 "What are you doing?" I said, "Well, I'm not doing a lot." 1109 01:08:53,635 --> 01:08:57,554 And he said, "Well, I think I've got a film company." 1110 01:08:57,555 --> 01:09:00,194 He said, "You know all these theatre people, 1111 01:09:00,195 --> 01:09:03,794 "and you love all that stuff, why don't you be me in the office?" 1112 01:09:03,795 --> 01:09:06,234 And it was as simple a statement as that. 1113 01:09:06,235 --> 01:09:08,035 I said, "When can we start? " He said, "I've started. 1114 01:09:08,036 --> 01:09:09,834 Life Of Brian's on its way. 1115 01:09:09,835 --> 01:09:12,714 "We're thinking about the next one, called Time Bandits. 1116 01:09:12,715 --> 01:09:15,594 "There's this madman called Terry Gilliam, you know. 1117 01:09:15,595 --> 01:09:17,535 "You'll love him. " I said, "I know Terry. 1118 01:09:17,536 --> 01:09:19,474 " "I thought you might know him," 1119 01:09:19,475 --> 01:09:21,034 And off we went. 1120 01:09:21,035 --> 01:09:24,154 HandMade was called HandMade because we were handmade. 1121 01:09:24,155 --> 01:09:26,194 Everything was done in-house, 1122 01:09:26,195 --> 01:09:29,434 including, er, quite a lot of the marketing strategy. 1123 01:09:29,435 --> 01:09:31,755 We designed posters because we had people like 1124 01:09:31,756 --> 01:09:34,074 Terry Gilliam who would do those designs. 1125 01:09:34,075 --> 01:09:36,555 We had people like Michael Palin and Derek Taylor, 1126 01:09:36,556 --> 01:09:39,274 who would come up with great by-lines, all in-house. 1127 01:09:39,275 --> 01:09:41,595 So this was again, this was like a giant 1128 01:09:41,596 --> 01:09:43,914 band, and George loved being in a band. 1129 01:09:43,915 --> 01:09:46,354 He missed The Beatles. He missed his mates. 1130 01:09:46,355 --> 01:09:48,274 He missed working with people. 1131 01:09:48,275 --> 01:09:52,835 He was a great collaborator. He loved being there. 1132 01:09:59,635 --> 01:10:02,834 Why is minority music important? 1133 01:10:02,835 --> 01:10:06,354 All the music that isn't really sold in your local record store 1134 01:10:06,355 --> 01:10:10,554 in the top hundred... Well... You're asking me? 1135 01:10:10,555 --> 01:10:13,754 Everybody on the charts gets it from somewhere, don't they? 1136 01:10:13,755 --> 01:10:15,895 They get it from these little guys in 1137 01:10:15,896 --> 01:10:18,034 other countries who invented the stuff. 1138 01:10:18,035 --> 01:10:19,435 That's how I feel about it. 1139 01:10:19,436 --> 01:10:21,435 So it's important purely so they've got 1140 01:10:21,436 --> 01:10:23,434 something to steal and put in the charts? 1141 01:10:23,435 --> 01:10:26,195 - No, it's important... - That's a good answer. 1142 01:10:28,875 --> 01:10:30,674 Hi, Liv. Hi. 1143 01:10:30,675 --> 01:10:36,354 So why is it important to have all these people at our house? 1144 01:10:36,355 --> 01:10:38,235 It's important to have to worry about lots 1145 01:10:38,236 --> 01:10:40,114 of things and make sure everything's right. 1146 01:10:40,115 --> 01:10:43,234 And, uh, well, it's nice to see everyone. 1147 01:10:43,235 --> 01:10:47,714 Wonderful people, good food. You like it, don't you, after all? See? 1148 01:10:47,715 --> 01:10:49,194 Thank you. Yes. 1149 01:10:49,195 --> 01:10:51,714 I feel very strongly about major issues. 1150 01:10:51,715 --> 01:10:53,635 I don't talk about them an awful lot. 1151 01:10:53,636 --> 01:10:58,114 But I feel, uh, very strongly about unfairness. 1152 01:10:58,115 --> 01:11:03,555 What do you think we should be doing to make our lives better? 1153 01:11:51,675 --> 01:11:53,794 Thank you. 1154 01:11:53,795 --> 01:11:56,354 ** Give peace a chance ** 1155 01:11:56,355 --> 01:11:59,275 ** All we are saying ** 1156 01:12:00,555 --> 01:12:03,035 ** Is give peace a chance... ** 1157 01:12:04,275 --> 01:12:09,274 Mr Chapman came up behind them and called to him Mr Lennon 1158 01:12:09,275 --> 01:12:11,594 as he arrived at that doorway. 1159 01:12:11,595 --> 01:12:14,594 And then in a combat stance, 1160 01:12:14,595 --> 01:12:20,114 he fired, he emptied the Charter Arms 38 calibre gun that he had with him 1161 01:12:20,115 --> 01:12:24,195 and...shot John Lennon. 1162 01:12:30,875 --> 01:12:35,954 ** I bless the day I found you ** 1163 01:12:35,955 --> 01:12:42,355 ** I want to stay around you ** 1164 01:12:43,515 --> 01:12:46,195 ** And so I beg you ** 1165 01:12:48,875 --> 01:12:51,635 ** Let it be me ** 1166 01:12:53,435 --> 01:12:58,395 ** Don't take this heaven from one ** 1167 01:13:00,635 --> 01:13:04,675 ** If you must cling to someone ** 1168 01:13:06,115 --> 01:13:08,435 ** Now and forever ** 1169 01:13:11,315 --> 01:13:14,675 ** Let it be me. ** 1170 01:13:24,275 --> 01:13:26,914 I wonder what you felt, losing someone 1171 01:13:26,915 --> 01:13:30,194 who was close to you for all those years. 1172 01:13:30,195 --> 01:13:33,234 It's like, uh, losing your parents, 1173 01:13:33,235 --> 01:13:35,674 or anybody you know and love. 1174 01:13:35,675 --> 01:13:37,994 He was no angel. He wasn't. 1175 01:13:37,995 --> 01:13:40,434 But he was, as well. 1176 01:13:40,435 --> 01:13:42,195 Was he? Yeah. 1177 01:13:44,155 --> 01:13:48,314 He was really angry that John didn't have a chance 1178 01:13:48,315 --> 01:13:52,994 to leave his body in a better way. 1179 01:13:52,995 --> 01:13:56,634 Because George put so much emphasis and importance 1180 01:13:56,635 --> 01:13:59,754 on the moment of death, of leaving your body. 1181 01:13:59,755 --> 01:14:01,235 That was very, um... 1182 01:14:02,755 --> 01:14:05,835 That's really what he was practising for. 1183 01:14:06,875 --> 01:14:09,914 It's like the Dalai Lama said something that, 1184 01:14:09,915 --> 01:14:13,034 we really, um, made us smile. 1185 01:14:13,035 --> 01:14:15,554 He said, "What do you do in the morning?" 1186 01:14:15,555 --> 01:14:17,754 He said, "I do my practice, I do my mantras, 1187 01:14:17,755 --> 01:14:19,434 "I do my spiritual practice." 1188 01:14:19,435 --> 01:14:21,755 "How do you know it will work? 1189 01:14:21,756 --> 01:14:24,074 " He said, "I don't. I'll find out when I die." 1190 01:14:24,075 --> 01:14:27,314 And, you know, it's so great. It's like that was it. 1191 01:14:27,315 --> 01:14:30,274 I'll, I'm practising this so that when I die I will know 1192 01:14:30,275 --> 01:14:35,474 how to leave my body and I'll be familiar and I won't be frightened. 1193 01:14:35,475 --> 01:14:38,914 George had a maximum amount of diversion in life. 1194 01:14:38,915 --> 01:14:42,114 And, you know, towards the end of his life, he'd say, like, 1195 01:14:42,115 --> 01:14:45,394 I'd say, "Oh, you know they want to give you this award thing". 1196 01:14:45,395 --> 01:14:47,554 And he said, "Well, I don't want it. 1197 01:14:47,555 --> 01:14:50,234 "Tell them to get another monkey." 1198 01:14:50,235 --> 01:14:53,634 I'd say, "Yeah, but, you know, it's really a nice one. 1199 01:14:53,635 --> 01:14:55,234 "You should have this." 1200 01:14:55,235 --> 01:14:59,354 And he'd say, "Well, if you want it so bad, you go and get it." 1201 01:14:59,355 --> 01:15:01,194 You know. "I'm not going. 1202 01:15:01,195 --> 01:15:02,715 "I'm not doing that any more. 1203 01:15:05,035 --> 01:15:08,954 "Because it's just a big diversion. "I want to plant trees. 1204 01:15:08,955 --> 01:15:11,914 "I want to be quiet. I want to meditate." 1205 01:15:11,915 --> 01:15:14,194 And he really did draw the line. 1206 01:15:14,195 --> 01:15:16,674 And I really admired him for that. 1207 01:15:16,675 --> 01:15:21,554 I mean, I've always been intrigued with George's "spirituality", 1208 01:15:21,555 --> 01:15:23,794 which is absolutely essential to him. 1209 01:15:23,795 --> 01:15:25,834 You know, living in the material world. 1210 01:15:25,835 --> 01:15:29,554 So he was caught in these two worlds of a very spiritual world 1211 01:15:29,555 --> 01:15:31,754 and a very material world. 1212 01:15:31,755 --> 01:15:36,074 And... And they're both, I think, related in the sense that 1213 01:15:36,075 --> 01:15:39,354 it's about finding the beauty in the real world. 1214 01:15:39,355 --> 01:15:42,714 To make the real world as beautiful as it can be. 1215 01:15:42,715 --> 01:15:45,474 And that's, I think, what he was doing in... 1216 01:15:45,475 --> 01:15:47,314 in Friar Park. 1217 01:15:47,315 --> 01:15:50,554 He created such, you know, exquisite beauty there. 1218 01:15:50,555 --> 01:15:52,754 But there was nothing airy-fairy about it. 1219 01:15:52,755 --> 01:15:55,354 And it wasn't about somebody snapping his fingers 1220 01:15:55,355 --> 01:15:58,675 and having somebody else do it for him. He had to do the work. 1221 01:16:06,675 --> 01:16:09,355 OK, back up now. Back up! 1222 01:16:11,395 --> 01:16:14,114 Our friends would joke, calling him Capability George, 1223 01:16:14,115 --> 01:16:16,194 you know, like after Capability Brown. 1224 01:16:16,195 --> 01:16:18,554 And he'd be like, "Get that pond... 1225 01:16:18,555 --> 01:16:22,274 "put it over there, move that hill... 1226 01:16:22,275 --> 01:16:23,874 "Don't like that hill." You know. 1227 01:16:23,875 --> 01:16:28,274 And the next week, it would be, pond over there, hill over there. 1228 01:16:28,275 --> 01:16:30,155 And it would look better, you know. 1229 01:16:30,156 --> 01:16:32,874 And he'd garden at night-time, he'd garden until... 1230 01:16:32,875 --> 01:16:34,434 you know, till midnight. 1231 01:16:34,435 --> 01:16:37,994 And he'd be out there squinting cos he could see, 1232 01:16:37,995 --> 01:16:39,755 at midnight, you know, he could see 1233 01:16:39,756 --> 01:16:42,874 the kind of moonlight and he could see the shadows. 1234 01:16:42,875 --> 01:16:47,034 And that was his way of not seeing any of the weeds and imperfections 1235 01:16:47,035 --> 01:16:49,714 that were, you know, that would plague him during the day. 1236 01:16:49,715 --> 01:16:52,274 So he'd be able to imagine what it was going to look like 1237 01:16:52,275 --> 01:16:53,435 when it was done. 1238 01:17:04,875 --> 01:17:08,194 ** Well, I'm alone but that's all right... ** 1239 01:17:08,195 --> 01:17:10,194 'He used to say to me every day, 1240 01:17:10,195 --> 01:17:12,834 '"You don't have to go to school today. 1241 01:17:12,835 --> 01:17:15,634 '"Do you want to just go on a yacht in the South Pacific 1242 01:17:15,635 --> 01:17:17,154 '"and run away forever?"' 1243 01:17:17,155 --> 01:17:19,515 ** I'll be fine anywhere... ** 1244 01:17:23,075 --> 01:17:25,394 'A lot of people would probably say, 1245 01:17:25,395 --> 01:17:27,474 '"You're an idiot for not doing that." 1246 01:17:27,475 --> 01:17:29,233 'And maybe in a way I am. But I...' 1247 01:17:29,234 --> 01:17:31,195 To rebel in my family was to go to school. 1248 01:17:31,196 --> 01:17:33,674 I went to like a semi-military school. 1249 01:17:33,675 --> 01:17:38,914 We did CCF one day a week, and that used to piss him off, 1250 01:17:38,915 --> 01:17:41,594 me walking around in an Air Force uniform. 1251 01:17:41,595 --> 01:17:46,635 I was...15, and then, er... 1252 01:17:48,675 --> 01:17:51,995 ..had some, er, little run-in with some policemen. 1253 01:17:53,355 --> 01:17:57,314 And, er, he told the policemen to fuck off! 1254 01:17:57,315 --> 01:18:01,034 And, uh, that was when I realised that he was actually cool, 1255 01:18:01,035 --> 01:18:05,154 on my side, and not just a scary dad, you know. 1256 01:18:05,155 --> 01:18:08,674 And, er, he was very, very close to me after that. 1257 01:18:08,675 --> 01:18:10,634 And we kind of... 1258 01:18:10,635 --> 01:18:13,714 would run off down the garden and hide. 1259 01:18:13,715 --> 01:18:15,955 "Don't tell your mum" kind of stuff, you know. 1260 01:18:17,635 --> 01:18:20,754 He was really a free person 1261 01:18:20,755 --> 01:18:23,634 and he did not like to be bound by rules. 1262 01:18:23,635 --> 01:18:28,034 But he did like women. And he did, erm, he was... 1263 01:18:28,035 --> 01:18:32,114 Women did like him. And he was... uh... 1264 01:18:32,115 --> 01:18:33,155 Whether... 1265 01:18:34,515 --> 01:18:38,994 If he just said a couple of words to a woman, honestly, 1266 01:18:38,995 --> 01:18:42,154 he had a profound effect... on people. 1267 01:18:42,155 --> 01:18:46,234 So that was always something that was, you know... 1268 01:18:46,235 --> 01:18:49,154 And I'm not the only one who's had to deal with this, 1269 01:18:49,155 --> 01:18:52,114 you know, person who's... well-loved. 1270 01:18:52,115 --> 01:18:55,155 So it was always a challenge. Uh... 1271 01:18:58,155 --> 01:19:00,314 Sometimes people say, you know, 1272 01:19:00,315 --> 01:19:03,234 "What's the secret of a long marriage?" 1273 01:19:03,235 --> 01:19:05,755 It's like, "You don't get divorced." 1274 01:19:08,995 --> 01:19:10,794 And I think, you know, 1275 01:19:10,795 --> 01:19:16,514 you go through challenges in your marriage and here's what I found. 1276 01:19:16,515 --> 01:19:20,394 First time we had a big hiccup in the road, I, you know, 1277 01:19:20,395 --> 01:19:22,794 you go through things, you go, "Wow." 1278 01:19:22,795 --> 01:19:26,154 There is a reward at the other end of it. 1279 01:19:26,155 --> 01:19:30,154 There's this incredible reward. You love each other more. 1280 01:19:30,155 --> 01:19:32,674 You...learn something. 1281 01:19:32,675 --> 01:19:34,554 You let go of something. 1282 01:19:34,555 --> 01:19:37,994 You get... Those hard edges get softened. 1283 01:19:37,995 --> 01:19:40,914 You know, you're that block of stone. 1284 01:19:40,915 --> 01:19:45,714 And, you know, life shapes you and takes away those hard edges. 1285 01:19:45,715 --> 01:19:49,154 You have kept to yourself, in recent years. 1286 01:19:49,155 --> 01:19:53,834 This led to some wild stories about the Howard Hughes of Henley. 1287 01:19:53,835 --> 01:19:57,234 Because I don't go discothequeing and things like that, 1288 01:19:57,235 --> 01:20:00,514 where people hang out with their cameras, 1289 01:20:00,515 --> 01:20:04,434 so they presumed that I was Howard Hughes, 1290 01:20:04,435 --> 01:20:08,074 with my big fingernails and Kleenex tissues and that kind of stuff. 1291 01:20:08,075 --> 01:20:11,154 Bottles of urine all around the house, and, uh... 1292 01:20:11,155 --> 01:20:13,154 But I wasn't like that at all. 1293 01:20:13,155 --> 01:20:16,834 I go out all the time, or a lot of the time, see friends, 1294 01:20:16,835 --> 01:20:18,994 have dinner, go to parties... 1295 01:20:18,995 --> 01:20:22,714 I'm even more normal than, you know, normal people. 1296 01:20:37,235 --> 01:20:39,634 I've met you before. 1297 01:20:39,635 --> 01:20:41,575 You know, all his lines about, "I was never 1298 01:20:41,576 --> 01:20:43,514 at a discotheque... " Well, I wasn't. 1299 01:20:43,515 --> 01:20:45,915 We had to drag him out of them, you know. LAUGHTER 1300 01:20:45,916 --> 01:20:49,794 Well, that was back in '64, '65. Before the limp. 1301 01:20:49,795 --> 01:20:53,914 Yeah. No, I stopped going to 'em around 1967, I think. 1302 01:20:53,915 --> 01:20:56,274 Yeah, I stopped in 1980. 1303 01:20:56,275 --> 01:20:59,954 What about now? What makes you cross with each other now? 1304 01:20:59,955 --> 01:21:03,354 Well, the last time we were cross was when George was suing me. 1305 01:21:05,035 --> 01:21:07,393 Er, the last time he calls me was to say, "I'm going to sue you." 1306 01:21:07,394 --> 01:21:08,873 I said, "No, George, don't be silly." 1307 01:21:08,874 --> 01:21:11,115 "No, I'm going to sue you. I don't like what you've done." 1308 01:21:11,116 --> 01:21:13,674 Cos he wrote this song and I had it mixed by somebody else... 1309 01:21:13,675 --> 01:21:16,154 and, er, he didn't like the mix. 1310 01:21:16,155 --> 01:21:17,475 So he was going to sue me. 1311 01:21:17,476 --> 01:21:19,194 So, in the end I have to... 1312 01:21:19,195 --> 01:21:22,794 I said, "Sue me if you want, but I'll always love you." 1313 01:21:23,955 --> 01:21:27,634 ** I don't want you ** 1314 01:21:27,635 --> 01:21:31,434 ** But I hate to lose you ** 1315 01:21:31,435 --> 01:21:35,234 ** You got me in between ** 1316 01:21:35,235 --> 01:21:39,914 ** The devil and the deep blue sea ** 1317 01:21:39,915 --> 01:21:43,754 ** I forgive you ** 1318 01:21:43,755 --> 01:21:47,754 ** Cos I can't forget you ** 1319 01:21:47,755 --> 01:21:51,114 ** You got me in between ** 1320 01:21:51,115 --> 01:21:55,274 ** The devil and the deep blue sea ** 1321 01:21:55,275 --> 01:21:59,354 ** I want to cross you off my list ** 1322 01:21:59,355 --> 01:22:04,154 ** But when you come knocking at my door ** 1323 01:22:04,155 --> 01:22:06,834 ** Fate seems to give my heart a twist ** 1324 01:22:06,835 --> 01:22:10,515 ** And I come running back for more... ** 1325 01:22:18,475 --> 01:22:19,715 'You're going very fast. 1326 01:22:19,716 --> 01:22:23,034 'You're going at the absolute limit of the car's tyres 1327 01:22:23,035 --> 01:22:24,075 'and its suspension' 1328 01:22:24,076 --> 01:22:27,314 and you, yourself are right on the very edge of your limit, 1329 01:22:27,315 --> 01:22:29,874 taking it to the finest point. 1330 01:22:29,875 --> 01:22:33,194 When that happens, your senses are so strong 1331 01:22:33,195 --> 01:22:38,074 and, in my case, I relate it to a real experience, where I went... 1332 01:22:38,075 --> 01:22:43,115 came to a corner and before I got to the corner I smelled grass. 1333 01:22:46,715 --> 01:22:49,434 My senses were so... 1334 01:22:49,435 --> 01:22:52,434 so sharp, so exaggerated 1335 01:22:52,435 --> 01:22:56,154 that a car had gone off the road in front of me, out of my sight. 1336 01:22:56,155 --> 01:23:00,754 My senses told me there was something wrong. That was grass. 1337 01:23:00,755 --> 01:23:02,994 The car was on a tarmacadam road. 1338 01:23:02,995 --> 01:23:04,914 So, I immediately backed off. 1339 01:23:04,915 --> 01:23:10,074 The millisecond that you're talking about is so small. 1340 01:23:10,075 --> 01:23:12,234 Now, that's what I think George saw 1341 01:23:12,235 --> 01:23:14,434 and that was heightened senses to a point, 1342 01:23:14,435 --> 01:23:16,355 not only of your feel and your touch, 1343 01:23:16,356 --> 01:23:20,194 but your feet because of the pedals, the gas pedal, the brake pedal, 1344 01:23:20,195 --> 01:23:22,794 the sensitivity of the function of those. 1345 01:23:22,795 --> 01:23:26,234 It's the kind of thing if George and I talked about it, he would love that. 1346 01:23:26,235 --> 01:23:29,434 And if you listen to a really top guitarist, 1347 01:23:29,435 --> 01:23:32,754 how he can make that guitar talk, 1348 01:23:32,755 --> 01:23:38,194 that's another heightening of senses that is beyond the ken, the know, 1349 01:23:38,195 --> 01:23:41,354 the knowledge of any normal man or woman. 1350 01:23:41,355 --> 01:23:46,155 George had a huge circle of friends and I think I was kind of, er... 1351 01:23:47,395 --> 01:23:48,914 ..I was just one of them, really. 1352 01:23:48,915 --> 01:23:51,015 I mean, I like to think that there was 1353 01:23:51,016 --> 01:23:53,114 something special about our relationship. 1354 01:23:53,115 --> 01:23:57,754 In many ways there was, but after George died, when, you know, 1355 01:23:57,755 --> 01:23:59,834 and I, and we all got together, 1356 01:23:59,835 --> 01:24:03,514 "God," I thought, "he's got, how do these guys all fit together?" 1357 01:24:03,515 --> 01:24:04,955 And there was a whole other mob, 1358 01:24:04,956 --> 01:24:07,114 they used to call them the Thames Valley gang, 1359 01:24:07,115 --> 01:24:11,074 and these were all old, you know, ageing rock stars, if you like. 1360 01:24:11,075 --> 01:24:14,194 That had, you know, got little, nice little houses, 1361 01:24:14,195 --> 01:24:17,394 and he was... He had something going on with everybody. 1362 01:24:17,395 --> 01:24:19,793 Anything to do with racing and cars and motorbikes, 1363 01:24:19,794 --> 01:24:21,075 that was part of the world, 1364 01:24:21,076 --> 01:24:24,074 then there was the music side, and then there was the movie side, 1365 01:24:24,075 --> 01:24:26,514 and then there was the comedian side, and... 1366 01:24:26,515 --> 01:24:29,714 and there was always this wonderful crowd of people, 1367 01:24:29,715 --> 01:24:32,274 all pretending to be grown-ups! 1368 01:24:32,275 --> 01:24:35,434 That's what was really funny about it and we all just giggled a lot, 1369 01:24:35,435 --> 01:24:37,915 because, look at this, and we're all in this place. 1370 01:24:37,916 --> 01:24:41,314 He showed up one day and he came in with two ukuleles 1371 01:24:41,315 --> 01:24:42,634 and he gave me one. 1372 01:24:42,635 --> 01:24:46,714 He goes, "You gotta play this thing, it's great," you know, 1373 01:24:46,715 --> 01:24:47,915 "let's jam," you know. 1374 01:24:47,916 --> 01:24:51,794 And I said, "I have no idea how to play a ukulele." 1375 01:24:51,795 --> 01:24:56,074 "Ah, it's no problem, I'll show you," you know. 1376 01:24:56,075 --> 01:25:00,194 So we spent the rest of the day playing ukuleles 1377 01:25:00,195 --> 01:25:03,074 and, I mean, playing ukuleles... 1378 01:25:03,075 --> 01:25:05,514 Strolling around the yard playing ukulele... 1379 01:25:05,515 --> 01:25:07,874 my wrist hurt the next day! 1380 01:25:07,875 --> 01:25:10,154 But he taught me how to play it, you know, 1381 01:25:10,155 --> 01:25:13,514 and I learned the chord formations. 1382 01:25:13,515 --> 01:25:16,514 And when he was going, I walked out to the car and he said, 1383 01:25:16,515 --> 01:25:18,794 "Well, wait, I want to... 1384 01:25:18,795 --> 01:25:21,514 "I want to leave some ukuleles here." 1385 01:25:21,515 --> 01:25:23,275 And he'd already given me one, you know, 1386 01:25:23,276 --> 01:25:26,034 I said, "Well, I've got thi..." "No, we may need more." 1387 01:25:28,475 --> 01:25:30,354 And he opened his trunk and he... 1388 01:25:30,355 --> 01:25:33,115 he had a lot of ukuleles in the trunk. 1389 01:25:34,235 --> 01:25:37,234 And I think he left four at my house 1390 01:25:37,235 --> 01:25:41,074 and he said, "Well, you know, you never know when we might need 'em 1391 01:25:41,075 --> 01:25:43,594 "because everybody doesn't carry one around." 1392 01:25:43,595 --> 01:25:47,594 ** Yippie yi yaaaay ** 1393 01:25:47,595 --> 01:25:52,634 ** Yippie yi ohhhhh ** 1394 01:25:52,635 --> 01:26:00,234 ** Ghost riders in the sky... ** 1395 01:26:00,235 --> 01:26:04,234 'He and Jeff had kind of pictured this group, The Traveling Wilburys, ' 1396 01:26:04,235 --> 01:26:09,474 and George's idea was that he would hand-pick everybody in the band 1397 01:26:09,475 --> 01:26:12,594 and it'd be the perfect little band, 1398 01:26:12,595 --> 01:26:15,555 but I think the qualifications were 1399 01:26:15,556 --> 01:26:18,514 more about who you could hang out with, 1400 01:26:18,515 --> 01:26:21,415 you know, more so than, like, trying to 1401 01:26:21,416 --> 01:26:24,314 find the best guy that did this or that. 1402 01:26:24,315 --> 01:26:28,954 Though George liked to surround himself with people that were good... 1403 01:26:28,955 --> 01:26:30,354 at something, you know. 1404 01:26:30,355 --> 01:26:35,394 George rang my bell one night and came in and said, 1405 01:26:35,395 --> 01:26:40,194 "God, I just had dinner with Roy Orbison and Jeff," you know. 1406 01:26:40,195 --> 01:26:44,194 "I got this idea, I've got to do an extra side... 1407 01:26:44,195 --> 01:26:46,634 "for a single that I'm bringing out. 1408 01:26:46,635 --> 01:26:50,554 "I need a studio, so I called Bob Dylan, and... 1409 01:26:50,555 --> 01:26:53,594 "You know, Bob has a little studio out at his house 1410 01:26:53,595 --> 01:26:57,194 "and so he's agreed to let me use the studio. 1411 01:26:57,195 --> 01:26:59,754 "I'm going to try to write something tonight 1412 01:26:59,755 --> 01:27:02,274 "and we'd just do it, but I thought I'd have Roy on it, too, 1413 01:27:02,275 --> 01:27:05,914 "and if you want, you know, maybe you'd come too." 1414 01:27:05,915 --> 01:27:09,834 And I said, "Yeah, well, I'd love to come." 1415 01:27:09,835 --> 01:27:13,195 ** Been beat up and battered around ** 1416 01:27:14,235 --> 01:27:17,794 ** Been sent up and I've been shot down ** 1417 01:27:17,795 --> 01:27:22,874 ** You're the best thing that I've ever found ** 1418 01:27:22,875 --> 01:27:26,474 ** Handle me with care ** 1419 01:27:26,475 --> 01:27:30,594 ** I'm so tired of being lonely ** 1420 01:27:30,595 --> 01:27:34,634 ** I still have some love to give ** 1421 01:27:34,635 --> 01:27:40,195 ** Won't you show me that you really care? ** 1422 01:27:42,635 --> 01:27:46,834 ** Everybody's got somebody ** 1423 01:27:46,835 --> 01:27:49,714 ** To lean on... ** 1424 01:27:49,715 --> 01:27:52,914 'Bob said, "Well, what's it going to be called, George? 1425 01:27:52,915 --> 01:27:55,154 '"You gotta have a name for your song."' 1426 01:27:55,155 --> 01:27:58,794 And there was a packing crate that said, "Handle With Care," 1427 01:27:58,795 --> 01:28:03,234 and...I witnessed him look over at the crate and look back and say, 1428 01:28:03,235 --> 01:28:05,594 "Oh, it's Handle With Care." 1429 01:28:07,035 --> 01:28:10,834 So, we cut the track and then we took a break to eat and... 1430 01:28:10,835 --> 01:28:14,674 he said, "OK, well, now we gotta write some words, guys." 1431 01:28:14,675 --> 01:28:17,554 You know, "I got these songwriters here... 1432 01:28:17,555 --> 01:28:21,554 "Time to write a song," you know, "let's write one," you know. 1433 01:28:21,555 --> 01:28:24,434 So, everyone... 1434 01:28:24,435 --> 01:28:27,874 Everyone'd just throw a line out and you'd get, "No!", 1435 01:28:27,875 --> 01:28:30,634 or, you know, sometimes a line'd come out and you'd get, 1436 01:28:30,635 --> 01:28:33,554 "Woo, that's good, that's a good one. Oh, I like that." 1437 01:28:33,555 --> 01:28:35,995 You know, and, so that's how we did it. 1438 01:28:39,675 --> 01:28:41,395 ** It was in Pittsburgh ** 1439 01:28:42,795 --> 01:28:44,115 ** Late one night ** 1440 01:28:45,235 --> 01:28:46,595 ** I lost my hat ** 1441 01:28:48,155 --> 01:28:50,075 ** Got into a fight. ** 1442 01:28:51,995 --> 01:28:54,154 OK. That's sort of like... 1443 01:28:54,155 --> 01:28:57,194 Yeah? Yeah, if you ignore those chords, then just sing it over, 1444 01:28:57,195 --> 01:28:59,834 the same sort of phrasing over the next bit, we can change the chord. 1445 01:28:59,835 --> 01:29:01,954 Or, or if he... 1446 01:29:01,955 --> 01:29:03,435 Or the other thing would be, 1447 01:29:03,436 --> 01:29:06,074 you know, if we back it up now, don't play you that 1448 01:29:06,075 --> 01:29:08,553 and you sing the second off the lyrics of the same chords 1449 01:29:08,554 --> 01:29:10,513 and we'll copy it and put in, all right? 1450 01:29:10,514 --> 01:29:11,755 All right. Yeah, do that. Yeah. 1451 01:29:11,756 --> 01:29:14,874 That'll be... Yeah. Let's try that then... Yeah, that sounded good... 1452 01:29:14,875 --> 01:29:19,394 You could have chosen to retire into contented middle age 1453 01:29:19,395 --> 01:29:23,274 and get together with a few friends in the musical business 1454 01:29:23,275 --> 01:29:25,394 and play together occasionally. 1455 01:29:25,395 --> 01:29:29,874 Well, that's what the real reason is! Really. 1456 01:29:29,875 --> 01:29:31,794 Contented middle age? 1457 01:29:31,795 --> 01:29:33,235 Yeah, I suppose so. 1458 01:29:34,955 --> 01:29:36,714 ** Everybody loves your ** 1459 01:29:36,715 --> 01:29:38,554 ** Electric dumplings ** 1460 01:29:38,555 --> 01:29:41,434 ** He loves your Clothes that stretch ** 1461 01:29:41,435 --> 01:29:42,475 ** He loves your ** 1462 01:29:42,476 --> 01:29:44,034 ** Fuel injection ** 1463 01:29:44,035 --> 01:29:45,115 ** He loves your ** 1464 01:29:45,116 --> 01:29:46,994 ** Service charge ** 1465 01:29:46,995 --> 01:29:48,035 ** He loves your ** 1466 01:29:48,036 --> 01:29:49,914 ** Five-speed gearbox ** 1467 01:29:49,915 --> 01:29:52,354 ** He loves your Long endurance ** 1468 01:29:52,355 --> 01:29:53,435 ** He loves your ** 1469 01:29:53,436 --> 01:29:55,274 ** Quest for junk food ** 1470 01:29:55,275 --> 01:29:56,355 ** He loves your ** 1471 01:29:56,356 --> 01:29:58,354 ** Big refrigerator. ** 1472 01:29:58,355 --> 01:30:00,194 That was all right. It was OK. 1473 01:30:00,195 --> 01:30:02,914 I'm not mad about, "clothes that stretch." 1474 01:30:02,915 --> 01:30:06,074 It sounds very English, ** Clothes that stretch. ** 1475 01:30:07,235 --> 01:30:10,834 It's a bit of a joke, the idea of a comeback, you know. 1476 01:30:10,835 --> 01:30:12,755 Especially to me, you know. Seems... 1477 01:30:12,756 --> 01:30:16,154 Why? I don't know, because I don't really see myself 1478 01:30:16,155 --> 01:30:21,514 as a fully-fledged showbiz star, anyway, you know, like that. 1479 01:30:21,515 --> 01:30:25,354 George, why do you play music? 1480 01:30:25,355 --> 01:30:28,354 Why do you still play music? Just to enjoy? Yeah. 1481 01:30:28,355 --> 01:30:32,234 Now, just, well, we gotta do something, you know, with our lives. 1482 01:30:32,235 --> 01:30:37,394 Yeah. That's the one thing that I know what to do, you know, how to do. 1483 01:30:37,395 --> 01:30:40,394 Hello, Neil, how are you? Hello, George. Very well, thank you. 1484 01:30:40,395 --> 01:30:42,755 Nice to see you. Very nice. 1485 01:30:44,115 --> 01:30:45,915 Hello! Oh, a vegetarian leather jacket! 1486 01:30:47,715 --> 01:30:49,474 Yeah? Yes. 1487 01:30:49,475 --> 01:30:51,874 Oh, is that a filmer? Yeah, I've got you! 1488 01:30:51,875 --> 01:30:54,034 Oh, I've seen that, that's the one I can see. 1489 01:30:54,035 --> 01:30:55,913 Go on, turn it off. You know, I can see... 1490 01:30:55,914 --> 01:30:57,315 No, I don't want to turn it off! 1491 01:30:57,316 --> 01:31:00,834 I've seen that, Sharp, you know, I've seen the adverts for those. 1492 01:31:00,835 --> 01:31:03,834 And who is this? It's Stephan. It's John. Oh, is it? 1493 01:31:03,835 --> 01:31:06,233 John Lennon, of the Beatles. Oh, that's what's her name. 1494 01:31:06,234 --> 01:31:08,075 Pat! Pat! Who's this? Cilla's friend. 1495 01:31:08,076 --> 01:31:10,834 We don't know who that is. Ho-ho-ho! Some other lady, lady of the night! 1496 01:31:10,835 --> 01:31:13,154 They were horrible girls, weren't they? 1497 01:31:13,155 --> 01:31:16,914 No, George, it's a very fine leg, it's a nice bit of stocking top! 1498 01:31:16,915 --> 01:31:19,515 Hmm. Just cos you've graduated in the world. 1499 01:31:21,035 --> 01:31:22,515 They're fine ladies! 1500 01:31:24,355 --> 01:31:29,954 ** Ahh Ahh ** 1501 01:31:29,955 --> 01:31:31,955 ** Ahh Ahh. ** 1502 01:31:38,995 --> 01:31:40,394 'You know, they say, 1503 01:31:40,395 --> 01:31:44,114 'in this life you have to perfect one human relationship 1504 01:31:44,115 --> 01:31:46,034 'in order to really love God.' 1505 01:31:46,035 --> 01:31:50,034 You practise loving God by loving another human 1506 01:31:50,035 --> 01:31:53,714 and by giving unconditional love. 1507 01:31:53,715 --> 01:31:56,314 George's most important relationships 1508 01:31:56,315 --> 01:31:59,674 really were conducted through their... 1509 01:31:59,675 --> 01:32:00,914 their music 1510 01:32:00,915 --> 01:32:06,154 and their lyrics. I mean, George, er... 1511 01:32:06,155 --> 01:32:07,555 that's, I'd Have You Anytime, 1512 01:32:07,556 --> 01:32:10,354 the song that George and Bob wrote together, you know, 1513 01:32:10,355 --> 01:32:13,194 "Let me in here, I know I've been here, let me into your heart." 1514 01:32:13,195 --> 01:32:16,314 He was talking directly to Bob because, you know, he'd seen Bob 1515 01:32:16,315 --> 01:32:20,394 and then he'd seen Bob another time and he didn't seem as open 1516 01:32:20,395 --> 01:32:23,634 and so, that was his way of saying, 1517 01:32:23,635 --> 01:32:25,435 "let me in here, let me into your heart." 1518 01:32:25,436 --> 01:32:29,394 And he was very unabashed and... 1519 01:32:29,395 --> 01:32:32,194 romantic about it, in a sense. 1520 01:32:32,195 --> 01:32:35,554 You know, I found that he was very, er... 1521 01:32:35,555 --> 01:32:39,594 he had these love relationships with his friends. He loved them. 1522 01:32:39,595 --> 01:32:43,394 It was very early in the morning when I think my wife took the call 1523 01:32:43,395 --> 01:32:47,634 and then woke me up and told me that Roy had passed away. 1524 01:32:47,635 --> 01:32:50,355 And then the next call was George. 1525 01:32:52,515 --> 01:32:56,274 I don't even know if I should say what he said to me, you know, 1526 01:32:56,275 --> 01:32:58,235 but I will anyway! 1527 01:33:00,595 --> 01:33:04,875 When I came to the phone, he said, "Aren't you glad it's not you?" 1528 01:33:06,555 --> 01:33:09,794 I said, "Yeah, yeah, I am," you know. 1529 01:33:09,795 --> 01:33:13,834 Just, you know, he said, "He'll be OK. 1530 01:33:13,835 --> 01:33:17,234 "He'll be OK. 1531 01:33:17,235 --> 01:33:21,594 "He's still around, so just listen, he's still around," 1532 01:33:21,595 --> 01:33:24,515 and then, that was all he had to say about it, you know. 1533 01:33:36,795 --> 01:33:39,795 We say farewell to the end of this reel. 1534 01:34:08,635 --> 01:34:11,434 You know, you want to just write it so that, you know, 1535 01:34:11,435 --> 01:34:15,034 I mean, you don't want to milk it into some huge big thing, you know. 1536 01:34:15,035 --> 01:34:16,074 No, of course. 1537 01:34:16,075 --> 01:34:18,714 I mean, I prefer you were to be honest about it. No. No, that's fine. 1538 01:34:18,715 --> 01:34:21,113 You know, there's nothing worse than, you know...bullshit. 1539 01:34:21,114 --> 01:34:22,995 You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree, I agree. 1540 01:34:22,996 --> 01:34:26,474 And then all it does is it means everybody else starts phoning up 1541 01:34:26,475 --> 01:34:29,034 and then they want their version of it. I know. 1542 01:34:29,035 --> 01:34:31,355 I'm sorry, I mean, we're all going to die one day, 1543 01:34:31,356 --> 01:34:34,594 but I'm not going to die for you quite yet. 1544 01:34:34,595 --> 01:34:37,474 We wouldn't want that. 1545 01:34:37,475 --> 01:34:38,715 Well...you never know. 1546 01:34:38,716 --> 01:34:40,954 I think it makes a good story, doesn't it? 1547 01:34:40,955 --> 01:34:42,395 W-what... When it was first... 1548 01:34:42,396 --> 01:34:48,714 When he was first diagnosed with cancer, he told me, 1549 01:34:48,715 --> 01:34:52,994 and in a way as, you know, his main thing was not to upset me. 1550 01:34:52,995 --> 01:34:54,514 I mean, there is a man who's, 1551 01:34:54,515 --> 01:34:57,194 who was not well, who's worrying about me 1552 01:34:57,195 --> 01:34:59,554 and all the people around him. 1553 01:34:59,555 --> 01:35:02,354 So, that was the measure of the man. 1554 01:35:02,355 --> 01:35:05,434 And then, of course, it was with great joy that, 1555 01:35:05,435 --> 01:35:09,874 that he actually got better initially 1556 01:35:09,875 --> 01:35:12,034 and so things were back on track 1557 01:35:12,035 --> 01:35:17,674 and we all put it to the back of our minds that this was gone now. 1558 01:35:17,675 --> 01:35:21,434 I woke up, I just heard smashing of glass. 1559 01:35:21,435 --> 01:35:23,394 I jumped up and woke up George. 1560 01:35:23,395 --> 01:35:26,914 It was about, it must've been about 4.30 in the morning... 1561 01:35:26,915 --> 01:35:31,634 and I said, "Somebody's smashed a window," 1562 01:35:31,635 --> 01:35:34,274 and he said, "How do you know?" I said, "I heard it!" 1563 01:35:34,275 --> 01:35:38,674 So he jumped up and I ran to the door and I locked the door. 1564 01:35:38,675 --> 01:35:40,395 And he said, "Why are you locking the door?" 1565 01:35:40,396 --> 01:35:43,194 I said, "Why?! Because I'm afraid. That's why I'm locking the door." 1566 01:35:43,195 --> 01:35:45,875 He said, "No, no, no, I'm going out there." 1567 01:35:47,195 --> 01:35:49,795 And so he ran downstairs, um... 1568 01:35:51,515 --> 01:35:55,194 ..which he really didn't have to do, but he felt he had to do 1569 01:35:55,195 --> 01:35:59,234 cos my mother was upstairs, and he didn't want... 1570 01:35:59,235 --> 01:36:02,314 You know, he didn't know if she was OK. 1571 01:36:02,315 --> 01:36:04,674 We had a statue of Saint Michael. 1572 01:36:04,675 --> 01:36:07,554 And the wing from the statue of Saint Michael... 1573 01:36:07,555 --> 01:36:10,914 it was made of stone - had been thrown through the window. 1574 01:36:10,915 --> 01:36:14,314 And George was on one side and I was on the other 1575 01:36:14,315 --> 01:36:19,715 and we looked down and this maniac just ran in like Beelzebub... 1576 01:36:22,115 --> 01:36:28,634 ..with a stick from Saint Michael in one hand... 1577 01:36:28,635 --> 01:36:33,434 you know, he slays the dragon with his spear. 1578 01:36:33,435 --> 01:36:37,795 He had that in one hand and I didn't see what he had in the other. 1579 01:36:39,795 --> 01:36:44,914 Anyway, George started chanting really loud at him, 1580 01:36:44,915 --> 01:36:48,875 and this guy was saying, "Get down here, get down here." 1581 01:36:50,835 --> 01:36:52,075 "What do you want?" 1582 01:36:52,076 --> 01:36:54,954 He said, "You know what I want," it was just horrible. 1583 01:36:54,955 --> 01:36:58,274 It was just like this voice from the bowels of hell. 1584 01:36:58,275 --> 01:37:03,994 And, uh...and then he just ran up, tore up the stairs. 1585 01:37:03,995 --> 01:37:06,794 He was in a florid psychotic state. 1586 01:37:06,795 --> 01:37:08,674 And he was tall and young. 1587 01:37:08,675 --> 01:37:13,234 And then they'd come closer to where the room was. 1588 01:37:13,235 --> 01:37:17,594 And this man was on top of George, um... 1589 01:37:17,595 --> 01:37:21,674 trying to kill him, just laying on him, 1590 01:37:21,675 --> 01:37:25,794 in just, I think, the worst way. 1591 01:37:25,795 --> 01:37:31,954 To have some, you know, physical contact with some horrible person. 1592 01:37:31,955 --> 01:37:35,914 Anyway, I just ran back in the room and, uh... 1593 01:37:35,915 --> 01:37:39,034 I don't know, something just took over, 1594 01:37:39,035 --> 01:37:41,354 and I grabbed a poker. 1595 01:37:41,355 --> 01:37:45,474 My dad was a big baseball fan and he used to always say, "Follow through." 1596 01:37:45,475 --> 01:37:49,954 That's all I could think of was, "Don't throw like a girl." 1597 01:37:49,955 --> 01:37:51,354 "Follow through." 1598 01:37:51,355 --> 01:37:55,474 I mean, it got worse, cos I hit the guy several times, you know, 1599 01:37:55,475 --> 01:37:58,074 I could see the blood spreading down his blond hair. 1600 01:37:58,075 --> 01:37:59,714 And then, he got up. 1601 01:37:59,715 --> 01:38:02,834 You know, he got up and he chased me and had me around the neck. 1602 01:38:02,835 --> 01:38:05,434 And then George got up and jumped on his back. 1603 01:38:05,435 --> 01:38:07,714 And, poor George, he said, "You know, God, 1604 01:38:07,715 --> 01:38:10,394 "just when he got off of me, I was thinking 'Oh, good, ' 1605 01:38:10,395 --> 01:38:12,674 "then I had to get up and fight him again." 1606 01:38:12,675 --> 01:38:14,954 And he'd already been stabbed. 1607 01:38:14,955 --> 01:38:17,754 But we all fell into a big pile, and I managed to get out 1608 01:38:17,755 --> 01:38:20,034 from underneath, and George pinned him down. 1609 01:38:20,035 --> 01:38:22,314 And George said to me, "I've got the knife!" 1610 01:38:22,315 --> 01:38:24,114 And I thought, "What knife?!" 1611 01:38:24,115 --> 01:38:26,874 I didn't know, I thought he was just kidding. 1612 01:38:26,875 --> 01:38:29,634 I thought he was just trying to fake the guy out. 1613 01:38:29,635 --> 01:38:32,594 It's like, I hadn't seen that. 1614 01:38:32,595 --> 01:38:34,674 Afterwards, we were... 1615 01:38:34,675 --> 01:38:39,234 We were, um, taken to a good old National Health hospital 1616 01:38:39,235 --> 01:38:43,554 with these rickety wheelchairs at four in the morning 1617 01:38:43,555 --> 01:38:47,194 and it was like freezing, it was so cold, I was just shaking, 1618 01:38:47,195 --> 01:38:49,474 I didn't realise I was in shock. 1619 01:38:49,475 --> 01:38:53,554 But, you know, they were pushing us down and we were looking at each other 1620 01:38:53,555 --> 01:38:57,474 and they've got us in these beds and they put the curtain around us 1621 01:38:57,475 --> 01:39:00,355 and he had a collapsed lung, he had things in and 1622 01:39:00,356 --> 01:39:03,235 out the other side and outside of his leg... 1623 01:39:04,635 --> 01:39:07,555 You know, I had my head open and, you know... 1624 01:39:11,075 --> 01:39:13,954 But just looking into each other's eyes, 1625 01:39:13,955 --> 01:39:16,235 our eyes must have been like... 1626 01:39:17,555 --> 01:39:19,474 I said, "What the hell was that?" 1627 01:39:19,475 --> 01:39:23,114 He said, "I don't know, it's like, I never tried to kill anybody before," 1628 01:39:23,115 --> 01:39:25,274 and I said, "No, neither did I." 1629 01:39:25,275 --> 01:39:28,475 It's like this... you know, phew. 1630 01:39:31,435 --> 01:39:33,394 But what... 1631 01:39:33,395 --> 01:39:36,274 You know, honestly, we talked about it a lot, 1632 01:39:36,275 --> 01:39:40,554 and the next day George said, "You know, I was lying there 1633 01:39:40,555 --> 01:39:42,754 "and I was thinking, I can't believe it, 1634 01:39:42,755 --> 01:39:45,274 "after everything's that's happened to me, 1635 01:39:45,275 --> 01:39:48,994 "I'm going to be murdered, I'm being murdered in my own home. 1636 01:39:48,995 --> 01:39:53,474 "And since I'm being murdered and I'm going to die, 1637 01:39:53,475 --> 01:39:58,354 "I better start letting go of this life, 1638 01:39:58,355 --> 01:40:03,634 "and I better start doing what I've been practising my whole life 1639 01:40:03,635 --> 01:40:06,434 "so that I can leave my body the way I want to." 1640 01:40:06,435 --> 01:40:09,954 He was so defiant, and so determined. 1641 01:40:09,955 --> 01:40:14,675 Nothing was going to stop him from leaving his body 1642 01:40:16,715 --> 01:40:19,474 and leaping as high as he could go. 1643 01:40:19,475 --> 01:40:20,954 It was the millennium, 1644 01:40:20,955 --> 01:40:23,794 and we were staying in Santa Barbara with some friends, 1645 01:40:23,795 --> 01:40:26,274 and then this awful news came through. 1646 01:40:26,275 --> 01:40:28,594 I said to Tania, "We have to go," 1647 01:40:28,595 --> 01:40:32,474 and so I called up and said, "Should we come?" 1648 01:40:32,475 --> 01:40:34,434 And he said, "Where are you?" 1649 01:40:34,435 --> 01:40:37,474 OK, so, we got on a plane and came immediately, 1650 01:40:37,475 --> 01:40:41,634 and, um...it was very... 1651 01:40:41,635 --> 01:40:43,434 You know, it was very powerful. 1652 01:40:43,435 --> 01:40:46,035 I mean, they would walk us round where the 1653 01:40:46,036 --> 01:40:48,634 various stages of the attack took place. 1654 01:40:48,635 --> 01:40:52,034 When they picked him up, they put him on this stretcher 1655 01:40:52,035 --> 01:40:54,394 and they're carrying him downstairs, 1656 01:40:54,395 --> 01:40:59,474 and there were two people who had just started work that weekend. 1657 01:40:59,475 --> 01:41:02,114 And he's being carried out, stabbed, 1658 01:41:02,115 --> 01:41:04,834 he'd eight stab wounds, and he looks over and he says, 1659 01:41:04,835 --> 01:41:07,035 "So what do you think of the job so far?" 1660 01:41:08,035 --> 01:41:11,074 Which is a great kind of...very George. 1661 01:41:11,075 --> 01:41:15,074 So Dhani and Livy and George... 1662 01:41:15,075 --> 01:41:18,234 came up to this house... 1663 01:41:18,235 --> 01:41:22,354 and he just was so distraught. 1664 01:41:22,355 --> 01:41:24,895 I've never, ever had a time when there's 1665 01:41:24,896 --> 01:41:27,434 so many tears have been shed... 1666 01:41:27,435 --> 01:41:32,194 just total grief - of no death. 1667 01:41:32,195 --> 01:41:38,114 Just grief of what a horrible thing somebody could do 1668 01:41:38,115 --> 01:41:42,994 to another person, without actually killing them. 1669 01:41:42,995 --> 01:41:47,954 He was very, very badly attacked, and... 1670 01:41:47,955 --> 01:41:51,074 by the time he died, he didn't even have a single scar on him. 1671 01:41:51,075 --> 01:41:53,194 I mean, he was like a yogi. 1672 01:41:53,195 --> 01:41:56,234 He moved on from that, physically and mentally, 1673 01:41:56,235 --> 01:41:57,914 and didn't let it affect him. 1674 01:41:57,915 --> 01:42:00,514 But it definitely took years off his life, you know. 1675 01:42:00,515 --> 01:42:02,474 If you're trying to fight cancer 1676 01:42:02,475 --> 01:42:05,994 and then you're trying to stay alive for something like that, you know, 1677 01:42:05,995 --> 01:42:08,354 it's got to take it out of you, you know? 1678 01:42:08,355 --> 01:42:10,914 We went to Fiji to be, 1679 01:42:10,915 --> 01:42:14,314 "Take us to the island where there isn't anybody, 1680 01:42:14,315 --> 01:42:16,994 "and then take us in a boat and drop us off at the cove 1681 01:42:16,995 --> 01:42:20,594 "where there isn't anyone on the beach, where there isn't anyone." 1682 01:42:20,595 --> 01:42:22,394 And then he'd disappear. 1683 01:42:22,395 --> 01:42:25,834 It's like, he's only with me, and then he would go off on his own. 1684 01:42:25,835 --> 01:42:29,514 But he'd come out, like, dressed in banana leaves, or something, 1685 01:42:29,515 --> 01:42:32,394 you know, with, like, heliconias and things. 1686 01:42:32,395 --> 01:42:36,115 He liked to... for him, I think that was 1687 01:42:36,116 --> 01:42:39,834 just like building a fort out of bracken. 1688 01:42:39,835 --> 01:42:43,475 I had an experience which, um... 1689 01:42:44,675 --> 01:42:47,554 ..speeds up the whole idea of, um... 1690 01:42:47,555 --> 01:42:52,234 You know, if you have something happen to you physically, then, 1691 01:42:52,235 --> 01:42:54,955 you know, people go in hospital, or have, 1692 01:42:54,956 --> 01:42:57,674 you know, something wrong with them 1693 01:42:57,675 --> 01:43:02,114 and, um, you know, have a shock or something like that, 1694 01:43:02,115 --> 01:43:05,394 and then you think, "Wow, yeah, I could be dying now." 1695 01:43:05,395 --> 01:43:09,794 Now, if I was dying now, what would I think? 1696 01:43:09,795 --> 01:43:11,394 What would I miss? 1697 01:43:11,395 --> 01:43:15,954 If I had to leave my body, you know, in an hour's time, 1698 01:43:15,955 --> 01:43:18,954 what is it that I would miss? 1699 01:43:18,955 --> 01:43:23,954 And I think, "Well, I've got a son who needs a father, 1700 01:43:23,955 --> 01:43:27,914 "So I have to stick around for him. as long as I can. 1701 01:43:27,915 --> 01:43:29,874 "But, um... 1702 01:43:29,875 --> 01:43:34,914 "other than that, I can't think of much reason to be here." 1703 01:43:42,115 --> 01:43:45,194 We had this whole 30 years together, 1704 01:43:45,195 --> 01:43:51,074 and then at the end you're able to just decant that time. 1705 01:43:51,075 --> 01:43:54,555 We spent that summer together and we had so much fun. 1706 01:43:56,795 --> 01:44:01,274 It's amazing, you know, at the end of your life, here's the conversation... 1707 01:44:01,275 --> 01:44:03,315 "I hope I wasn't a bad husband." 1708 01:44:05,795 --> 01:44:08,914 "Well, I hope I was an OK wife. 1709 01:44:08,915 --> 01:44:12,954 "How did we do? How did we do?" 1710 01:44:12,955 --> 01:44:16,234 And then you think, "I'm so glad. 1711 01:44:16,235 --> 01:44:20,754 "I am so glad that we just kept walking this path together." 1712 01:44:20,755 --> 01:44:23,874 And all those other things that came and went 1713 01:44:23,875 --> 01:44:28,275 we just swatted away and batted away in between us, you know?" 1714 01:44:42,595 --> 01:44:45,674 He had a long battle with his cancer. 1715 01:44:45,675 --> 01:44:47,435 He's such a brave lad. 1716 01:44:48,995 --> 01:44:52,594 What do you miss the most about George? 1717 01:44:52,595 --> 01:44:57,394 Uh, his humour, his friendship... 1718 01:44:57,395 --> 01:44:59,795 his, um, love. 1719 01:45:02,035 --> 01:45:07,314 I've lost racing drivers, phew, so many of my friends have been killed. 1720 01:45:07,315 --> 01:45:10,074 I've been with them when they've died. 1721 01:45:10,075 --> 01:45:16,114 I've had an enormous exposure to emotional experiences. 1722 01:45:16,115 --> 01:45:20,234 And yet, I don't think there's much else that's ever given me 1723 01:45:20,235 --> 01:45:23,674 such a long-lasting... 1724 01:45:23,675 --> 01:45:28,154 bereavement as George's loss. 1725 01:45:28,155 --> 01:45:32,114 And I can't say that I was one of George's very best friends, 1726 01:45:32,115 --> 01:45:36,594 cos a lot more people spent a lot more time with him than I did. 1727 01:45:36,595 --> 01:45:40,234 But I, at least, felt such a closeness to him 1728 01:45:40,235 --> 01:45:42,794 that it still affects me to this day. 1729 01:45:42,795 --> 01:45:45,034 I could give you a dozen names, 1730 01:45:45,035 --> 01:45:47,714 and I'll bet you they would say the same as I'm saying. 1731 01:45:47,715 --> 01:45:50,554 It wasn't a skill. 1732 01:45:50,555 --> 01:45:56,074 It was just an aura which provided us with a feel-good factor 1733 01:45:56,075 --> 01:45:59,794 that we didn't get from very many people in our lives. 1734 01:45:59,795 --> 01:46:04,194 The last weeks of George's life, he was in Switzerland, 1735 01:46:04,195 --> 01:46:07,594 and I went to see him, and he was very ill. 1736 01:46:07,595 --> 01:46:10,275 And, you know, he could only lay down. 1737 01:46:13,635 --> 01:46:17,994 And while he was being ill and I'd come to see him, 1738 01:46:17,995 --> 01:46:22,074 I was going to Boston, 1739 01:46:22,075 --> 01:46:25,354 cos my daughter had a brain tumour. 1740 01:46:25,355 --> 01:46:28,034 And I said, "Well, you know, I've got to go, 1741 01:46:28,035 --> 01:46:30,755 "I've got to go to Boston," and he goes... 1742 01:46:33,795 --> 01:46:37,154 ..it's the last words I heard him say, actually... 1743 01:46:37,155 --> 01:46:40,595 And he said, "Do you want me to come with you?" 1744 01:46:41,955 --> 01:46:43,635 Oh, God. 1745 01:46:44,875 --> 01:46:48,515 So, you know, that's the incredible side of George. 1746 01:46:51,035 --> 01:46:55,234 God, it's like Barbara fucking Walters here, isn't it? 1747 01:47:39,075 --> 01:47:45,195 There was a profound experience that happened when he left his body. 1748 01:47:46,355 --> 01:47:48,234 It was visible. 1749 01:47:48,235 --> 01:47:52,395 Let's just say, you wouldn't need to light the room... 1750 01:47:54,795 --> 01:47:56,835 ..if you were trying to film it. 1751 01:47:58,515 --> 01:48:00,075 You know, he, um... 1752 01:48:02,835 --> 01:48:04,155 He just... 1753 01:48:07,315 --> 01:48:09,075 He just lit the room. 1754 01:48:22,875 --> 01:48:26,674 ** Namah Parvati ** 1755 01:48:26,675 --> 01:48:32,995 ** Pataye Hare Hare Mahadev ** 1756 01:48:34,755 --> 01:48:40,315 ** Namah Parvati Pataye Hare Hare ** 1757 01:48:44,075 --> 01:48:49,275 ** Namah Parvati Pataye Hare Hare ** 1758 01:48:53,315 --> 01:48:59,755 ** Shiva Shiva Shankara Mahadeva ** 1759 01:49:02,995 --> 01:49:08,675 ** Hare Hare Hare Hare Mahadeva ** 1760 01:49:12,915 --> 01:49:19,595 ** Shiva Shiva Shankara Mahadeva ** 1761 01:49:22,835 --> 01:49:28,595 ** Shiva Shiva Shankara Mahadeva ** 1762 01:49:33,275 --> 01:49:39,435 ** Shiva Shiva Shankara Mahadeva ** 1763 01:50:01,764 --> 01:50:04,844 "Long, Long, Long" 1764 01:50:08,644 --> 01:50:15,404 ** It's been a long, long, long time ** 1765 01:50:19,724 --> 01:50:26,564 ** How could I ever have lost you ** 1766 01:50:31,564 --> 01:50:36,084 ** When I loved you? ** 1767 01:50:39,684 --> 01:50:46,444 ** It took a long, long, long time ** 1768 01:50:50,044 --> 01:50:56,244 ** Now I'm so happy I found you ** 1769 01:51:01,844 --> 01:51:06,444 ** How I want you ** 1770 01:51:08,004 --> 01:51:13,684 ** How I love you ** 1771 01:51:15,604 --> 01:51:18,964 ** You know that I need you ** 1772 01:51:21,164 --> 01:51:23,564 ** Oh, I love you... **148218

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