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This programme contains
some strong language
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Who pays your bills?
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Nice try.
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By the way, this phone...
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...it's bugged.
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By you?
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Would I tell you if it was?
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Take care, Ms Ashby.
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Where am I?
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Synced & corrected by -robtor-
www.addic7ed.com
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Sorry.
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I was, er, in a meeting.
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Phone was switched off.
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You OK?
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Yeah, you know.
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I didn't expect you to still be here.
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Ah, well.
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Those are my absolute favourite.
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Any excuse, huh?
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In the country, I mean.
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I have some things to clear up first.
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Such as?
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You want to order?
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I'm not sure any of this is to my taste.
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You have not looked at it.
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You were set to go back immediately
after your triumph in Paris.
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Yes, I was.
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But then suddenly
Patrice Ganimana arrived here
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and you decided to stay. Why was that?
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Something tells me
you already have an opinion on that.
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Tell me about Bibi Mundanzi.
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What do you want to know?
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You were brought up together?
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Yes. My family adopted her.
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So, like a sister?
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Like that.
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And now you want to bring
her down your sister?
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Ah.
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And you're waiting for the
perfect moment to do it.
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You had one in France, but this one,
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this looks even better, doesn't it?
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At least you're not trying
to tell me I'm wrong.
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I am not trying to bring her down.
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Then what?
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I just...
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...I want her to make an adjustment.
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To what?
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Our constitution.
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To stop her running again? Too late.
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To ensure others can run against her.
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They can already.
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No, Kate, they cannot, not really.
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So how are you going to do it?
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Hmm!
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Erm... pick my moment...
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...very carefully.
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And Michael's helping you to do this?
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You are going to have to ask him
about that.
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I have. He keeps telling me to wait.
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But I've started to figure it all
out by myself.
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You want the Ganimana extradition
to fail.
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It has nothing to do with him,
not really.
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Oh, I think so.
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You are waiting for your sister to
look weak
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on the same international stage
on which you just looked so strong.
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That's your moment, isn't it?
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Oh...
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It is only... a part of it.
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But it's a part.
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You don't...
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...you don't look too good right
now, though.
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No, I, erm...
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- ...I don't...
- Did Michael put you up to this?
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- Hmm?
- Get you to confess.
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No.
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So why did you call me?
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I did not.
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You sent me a text.
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Only to say that you were late.
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- Do... do not eat it.
- What?
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- Don't eat what?
- Did you eat anything?
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- No!
- What did you ea...?
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Nothing!
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Yes!
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Hello?
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Hello? Hello!
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Call an ambulance. Now!
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So, so, so...
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C'est magnifique!
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Isn't it?
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Surprisingly, it's pretty good.
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How is she?
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Ripped out the lining of her stomach.
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- You're sure you didn't...?
- No... Michael.
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- Why were you so late?
- I was with...
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...I was with a friend.
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Who?
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You think President Mundanzi
runs a one-party state.
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De... de facto, yeah.
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So how the hell do you think you're
going to change their constitution?
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Alice told you.
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You didn't tell me you two were lovers.
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A long time ago, yeah.
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- Don't lie to me, Michael...
- I'm not.
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...ever again.
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Oh, keep it.
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I have copies.
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Kate!
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Mr Viner?
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This is Kate Ashby.
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I am so sorry I didn't manage
to get out to you last night.
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I was... unavoidably detained.
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But if it's OK, I could come now.
I'd really like to see that file.
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Thank you.
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- The other one first.
- Hm?
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That one first!
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Hm! It's not exactly Fort Knox.
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And what if there was a fire?
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There wasn't.
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These are people's lives.
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You know, the older you get,
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the more you realise...
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...no-one gives a shit.
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There. 2... D.
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They're optimistic?
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Yes.
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Colostomy bag!
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Kind of takes the strain out of
things, wouldn't you say?
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And guilt-free use of the disability loo.
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Except if it was the three of us,
we'd have to stand in line.
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You not good?
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They're not too happy with my ovaries.
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Me neither. Got me a 30-year-old
still living at home.
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You don't have kids, Eunice.
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Two things, never let the truth
get in the way of a good gag,
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and yet another reason to hate my
ovaries.
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You're right.
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About Kate.
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Let her go to Rwanda.
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It'll raise her profile over there
and that's what we need.
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Good.
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But she can't be out there alone.
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She won't want to go with me.
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She doesn't need you, Mikey.
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I've got someone else.
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He's been with her for a while.
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Shit.
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Pick her up.
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And you're sure that's everything?
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No, those are just the headlines.
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The bulk of the files will be
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- where those headlines say they are.
- Hm.
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- In the UK?
- No, no.
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Your mother did it for the ICTR,
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- so I guess they'll be in Arusha.
- PHONE RINGS:
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Tanzania.
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That's where the trials were held.
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There's no guarantee they won't
have been destroyed either.
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The case never made it to an indictment.
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Why was that?
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Good question.
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Which only your mother could answer.
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You'll need to sign for it.
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Strict protocol.
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I liked your mother.
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She was strong.
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Too strong, maybe.
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Why?
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Well, storms come, weeds bend, oaks fall.
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Bit of country lore there, ol' timer?
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Whatever it is, young lady,
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I'm guessing it's what killed your
mother.
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You just be sure it doesn't do the
same to you.
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Are you expecting someone?
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Milkman.
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Too fast for a milkman.
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Do you have another way out?
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KNOCK ON DOOR:
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Hi.
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Kate Ashby.
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Can I speak with her?
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Not here.
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It's one way in and one way out.
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If you give me no choice.
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We just going to stand here all day
till you fall over?
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No need.
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Shit!
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Yes! Yes!
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Agh! Agh!
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Fuck!
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Shit! Shit!
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Fuck!
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- Why didn't you pick up the phone?
- You bugged it.
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- What?
- When you put your number in my phone,
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- you bugged it.
- No!
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How else did you know I was here?
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Because I knew you would not call.
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So why are you wondering
why I didn't answer?
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- Cos I could've killed him!
- Yes! Yes, you could!
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You saw him first.
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- Huh?!
- So?
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So why didn't you pick up the phone?!
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How...? How can I begin
to even get the logic of that?!
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- Excuse me...
- No! No! Not now!
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You are lucky to be alive!
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Where are you going?
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Oh, that's right, now you haven't
got a phone to follow.
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I am trying to help you!
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Oh? Really?
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By flattening Lance Armstrong here?
Thank you for that!
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What's in the box?
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You wish.
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He tell you where to take it?
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Who?
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David Runihura.
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Who do you work for?
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You.
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No. Eunice Clayton.
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- Eunice?
- Mm.
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You work for the Americans?
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I work for Eunice, who happens to be one.
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And an Assistant Secretary,
State Department.
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I do not work for them, just her.
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You knew about this?
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Just today.
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Why'd she want it?
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Well, after what happened to Alice.
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No, he'd been on me long before that.
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Since your mother got killed.
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You gave me that priest, his photo,
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in the catacombs.
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Did Eunice know about that?
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Yeah.
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- Did you?
- No.
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Right, so we've both been screwed
over. How does that make you feel?!
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Beginning to get used to it.
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Some of the things...
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- ...I do, methods I use, are...
- Illegal.
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Tell me about it!
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Well, that's the thing,
Eunice didn't want to.
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What's it to do with her?
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You know that photo that Alice gave you?
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Of her and Eve and me and Ed
from all those years ago?
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Eunice took it.
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She and Ed worked at the same NGO.
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Oh.
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She wants to keep you safe.
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Not me, Alice Munezero.
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- Both.
- Bullshit!
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Your employer is backing Alice Munezero
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to topple a sitting president!
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Give us a minute.
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MICHAEL CLEARS HIS THROAT:
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- I know how this looks.
- Yeah, me too.
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You lot go to secret meetings
with your trouser legs rolled up.
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Alice isn't looking to topple Mundanzi.
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Just to change the constitution.
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Yes, I know, we've had this conversation.
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The only way she can do that
is to make Mundanzi look weak.
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And the best way to make her look
weak is to make sure
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Patrice Ganimana is not extradited.
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No.
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So why didn't you give Runihura
that file?
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- It was a mistake.
- How many more?
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Fingers of my left hand,
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not including the thumb, it stops there.
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You should go to Rwanda.
269
00:21:16,829 --> 00:21:19,228
What, just to prove you right?
270
00:21:19,229 --> 00:21:20,280
Well, like I said,
271
00:21:20,305 --> 00:21:23,228
I'm not sure the Rwandan
judiciary has the capability
272
00:21:23,229 --> 00:21:24,456
of trying a case like this,
273
00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:28,628
but if they do,
Ganimana should be extradited,
274
00:21:28,629 --> 00:21:30,269
and I want to help.
275
00:21:33,035 --> 00:21:34,315
Why?
276
00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:35,900
We all make mistakes, Kate.
277
00:21:35,925 --> 00:21:38,700
Even you.
You were wrong about your mother.
278
00:21:39,509 --> 00:21:42,540
She wanted to pursue Ganimana
just as much as you do now.
279
00:21:43,509 --> 00:21:45,148
So why did she stop?
280
00:21:45,149 --> 00:21:47,072
Why anyone does.
281
00:21:47,073 --> 00:21:49,588
When there's no chance of success.
282
00:21:49,589 --> 00:21:53,108
Well, there is now.
283
00:21:53,109 --> 00:21:55,309
And if there is, I want to help...
284
00:21:56,402 --> 00:21:57,522
...but on one condition.
285
00:22:01,629 --> 00:22:03,828
A Yankee spy?! No fucking way.
286
00:22:03,829 --> 00:22:07,508
Actually, I was born in Rwanda,
just like you.
287
00:22:07,509 --> 00:22:10,348
I don't actually know where I was
born, thank you very much.
288
00:22:10,349 --> 00:22:12,149
Ah, hence the weird accent.
289
00:22:16,349 --> 00:22:18,589
- They'll know what you are.
- So what?
290
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:22,268
Whatever it is they don't want
being known,
291
00:22:22,269 --> 00:22:24,308
they're not going to tell you,
whether I'm there or not.
292
00:22:24,309 --> 00:22:27,068
They're not going to tell me anything
with some killer by my side.
293
00:22:27,069 --> 00:22:28,789
Who says I'm a killer?
294
00:22:30,335 --> 00:22:31,655
Something in your eye.
295
00:22:35,829 --> 00:22:37,509
You want to know the truth?
296
00:22:40,869 --> 00:22:43,629
I'm coming whether you like it or not,
297
00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:47,629
so do yourself a favour,
at least let me carry that box.
298
00:23:32,749 --> 00:23:34,748
This your first time here, since...?
299
00:23:34,749 --> 00:23:37,869
You mean you don't already
know the answer to that?
300
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:41,908
Yeah, it is.
301
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:43,349
"Yeah, it is."
302
00:23:45,715 --> 00:23:46,955
Me too.
303
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:53,829
You know, you haven't
even asked me my name.
304
00:23:57,229 --> 00:23:58,660
Florence.
305
00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:00,748
F-Florence?!
306
00:24:00,749 --> 00:24:02,388
No.
307
00:24:02,389 --> 00:24:04,148
Florence.
308
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:05,189
Oh?
309
00:24:06,349 --> 00:24:07,908
You got a problem with that?
310
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:10,669
Baby, I've got a problem with everything.
311
00:24:12,869 --> 00:24:14,469
Florence Karamera.
312
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:23,949
Florence Karamera.
313
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:27,388
- So strange.
- What is?
314
00:24:27,389 --> 00:24:29,668
To hear my name.
315
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:32,268
What, since they gave it to you
at spy school?
316
00:24:32,269 --> 00:24:33,629
Out loud.
317
00:24:35,629 --> 00:24:36,789
Here.
318
00:24:38,675 --> 00:24:40,795
Since I was a little boy.
319
00:24:41,949 --> 00:24:43,549
Never thought I'd come back.
320
00:24:45,789 --> 00:24:47,469
But here I am.
321
00:25:06,469 --> 00:25:08,188
Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop!
322
00:25:08,189 --> 00:25:10,468
Stop! Stop the car!
323
00:25:45,709 --> 00:25:47,509
Sorry.
324
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:50,909
- OK?
- Hmm?
325
00:25:52,229 --> 00:25:53,269
Yeah.
326
00:25:54,949 --> 00:25:56,269
Your dress.
327
00:26:11,469 --> 00:26:13,028
Are you well?
328
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:14,588
I'm fine now, thank you.
329
00:26:14,589 --> 00:26:16,588
It has been a long journey for you.
330
00:26:16,589 --> 00:26:18,869
- But I'm here now.
- Yes.
331
00:26:19,869 --> 00:26:20,980
You are.
332
00:26:21,629 --> 00:26:23,260
Welcome! Please.
333
00:26:33,349 --> 00:26:34,668
This looks new.
334
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:36,308
It's a copy.
335
00:26:36,309 --> 00:26:39,188
- Not the original?
- No.
336
00:26:39,189 --> 00:26:41,189
But everything in it's been copied
across.
337
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:43,589
Where is the original?
338
00:26:44,909 --> 00:26:46,348
Safe.
339
00:26:46,349 --> 00:26:48,388
And there is not more?
340
00:26:48,389 --> 00:26:50,108
Apparently, these are just the headlines
341
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,828
but they should indicate
where all the files are.
342
00:26:52,829 --> 00:26:54,348
In the UK?
343
00:26:54,349 --> 00:26:56,908
No. In Arusha, I believe.
344
00:26:56,909 --> 00:27:00,108
Ah! Fine.
345
00:27:00,109 --> 00:27:01,388
Very good.
346
00:27:01,389 --> 00:27:03,500
Excellent! We have everything we need.
347
00:27:04,069 --> 00:27:07,308
Ms Ashby, thank you.
348
00:27:07,309 --> 00:27:10,509
You have done us a huge service.
349
00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:15,020
Monsieur, how are you today?
350
00:27:15,829 --> 00:27:17,629
- You know who he is?
- Yes.
351
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:20,180
I know.
352
00:27:20,669 --> 00:27:22,620
I've been reading about you.
353
00:27:23,069 --> 00:27:24,628
Oh?
354
00:27:24,629 --> 00:27:26,109
Yes.
355
00:27:28,269 --> 00:27:32,669
And how does it feel to finally
return to the country of your birth?
356
00:27:38,509 --> 00:27:40,940
It's OK, there is no need.
357
00:27:42,995 --> 00:27:44,555
I understand.
358
00:27:47,469 --> 00:27:51,628
So, this is Dirk Schreiber,
an advisor on international crime
359
00:27:51,629 --> 00:27:53,788
working within our prosecution unit.
360
00:27:53,789 --> 00:27:56,828
- He will be the one to show you around.
- Good morning.
361
00:27:56,829 --> 00:28:01,548
Dirk, this is Ms Kate Ashby,
adopted daughter of the famous Eve.
362
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:05,548
- And this is...
- Florence Karamera. I'm...
363
00:28:05,549 --> 00:28:07,669
He is here to watch over us.
364
00:28:08,749 --> 00:28:11,988
So, I am Dirk Schreiber.
365
00:28:11,989 --> 00:28:15,069
As is my name, so is my job.
366
00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:21,068
Yeah.
367
00:28:21,069 --> 00:28:23,188
So, come, please,
368
00:28:23,189 --> 00:28:26,709
it is my duty now
to show you Rwandan justice.
369
00:28:32,349 --> 00:28:35,348
I am employed entirely
by the German government.
370
00:28:35,349 --> 00:28:39,868
Before that, I was at the ICC
for seven years as an investigator.
371
00:28:39,869 --> 00:28:44,428
Now it is my job to offer
an expert opinion on the ability
372
00:28:44,429 --> 00:28:48,588
of the domestic system here
to prosecute international crime
373
00:28:48,589 --> 00:28:50,709
for whomsoever makes the request.
374
00:28:52,268 --> 00:28:55,940
- And what's your view?
- For you to see things for yourself.
375
00:28:57,829 --> 00:28:59,309
The President.
376
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:11,188
Who's that?
377
00:29:11,189 --> 00:29:13,380
I'm not informed, I'm sorry.
378
00:29:15,189 --> 00:29:16,549
I know him.
379
00:29:22,029 --> 00:29:24,389
What she has done for this country.
380
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:43,708
Allo!
381
00:29:43,709 --> 00:29:45,629
Allo!
382
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:52,508
Why do you go crazy
every time you're here?
383
00:29:52,509 --> 00:29:55,700
Cos I'm crazy wherever I go!
384
00:29:59,429 --> 00:30:01,708
Saw it in Lie-chester Square.
385
00:30:01,709 --> 00:30:04,268
Got the taxi to stop and everything.
386
00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:06,429
And why do you always take taxis?
387
00:30:07,869 --> 00:30:09,788
Ah! Hmm?
388
00:30:09,789 --> 00:30:13,349
Because I'm married to a national hero!
389
00:30:16,109 --> 00:30:17,229
Ah!
390
00:30:18,429 --> 00:30:20,420
I had a girlfriend like this once.
391
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:23,508
This one's more lively, though.
Hee! Di-di-doo!
392
00:30:23,509 --> 00:30:27,029
Maybe because you have
your hand stuck up its arse.
393
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:29,940
Oh?
394
00:30:30,429 --> 00:30:33,660
No, I tried that on the girlfriend too!
395
00:30:34,509 --> 00:30:36,269
Frank, I'm already ill.
396
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:38,989
OK.
397
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:50,828
The doctors say you can come home soon.
398
00:30:50,829 --> 00:30:52,109
Hmm?
399
00:30:55,429 --> 00:30:57,428
Police come up with anything?
400
00:30:57,429 --> 00:30:58,869
No.
401
00:31:01,629 --> 00:31:02,909
You?
402
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:15,980
I've never lied to you.
403
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:17,589
You know that.
404
00:31:19,389 --> 00:31:22,180
You have that girlfriend
after we were married?
405
00:31:25,975 --> 00:31:30,900
But only after you decided
to give yourself to your country.
406
00:31:32,229 --> 00:31:33,789
You did pretty well out of it.
407
00:31:34,402 --> 00:31:35,842
Did?
408
00:31:37,709 --> 00:31:38,869
Why the past tense?
409
00:31:40,829 --> 00:31:42,029
I, erm...
410
00:31:43,949 --> 00:31:45,989
...I have something to give you.
411
00:31:51,189 --> 00:31:52,749
Open it.
412
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:07,789
Do not play it.
413
00:32:09,549 --> 00:32:10,988
What is it?
414
00:32:10,989 --> 00:32:13,149
Something that must be heard...
415
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:18,540
...that people do not want to hear.
416
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:22,708
That why they did this?
417
00:32:22,709 --> 00:32:26,980
Take it back. Keep it very, very safe.
418
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:31,188
And when I finally return,
419
00:32:31,189 --> 00:32:33,300
bring it to me at the airport.
420
00:32:34,509 --> 00:32:37,829
This is real, Frank.
421
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:45,588
If they look through your accounts,
is everything clean?
422
00:32:45,589 --> 00:32:47,709
I mean everything.
423
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:55,789
I took that Land Rover.
424
00:32:59,389 --> 00:33:01,749
Then you have to find yourself
some insurance.
425
00:33:03,109 --> 00:33:04,389
What do you mean?
426
00:33:07,189 --> 00:33:10,708
In the accounts of other people?
427
00:33:10,709 --> 00:33:13,029
Oh, Alice!
428
00:33:17,309 --> 00:33:19,629
What's this all about?
429
00:33:54,229 --> 00:33:56,148
Is that what they teach you?
430
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:57,348
Hmm?
431
00:33:57,349 --> 00:34:00,708
Wear a shirt like that?
Weaken the female defence?
432
00:34:00,709 --> 00:34:02,708
- Will you shut up?
- Hmm?
433
00:34:02,709 --> 00:34:06,189
It's a shirt I have. I did not think
of you when I put it on.
434
00:34:07,309 --> 00:34:11,140
And yet you're here at all,
when I didn't ask you.
435
00:34:15,789 --> 00:34:17,029
Have you ordered?
436
00:34:22,229 --> 00:34:24,629
Apparently, they drank
the pool water here.
437
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:27,149
Hmm.
438
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:31,789
Everything around them.
439
00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:34,909
Whistles, pangas.
440
00:34:38,229 --> 00:34:39,589
Pool water.
441
00:34:44,309 --> 00:34:46,660
Tomorrow they want us
to visit the memorials...
442
00:34:47,882 --> 00:34:49,082
Not me.
443
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:52,229
I'm not going to be a tourist
to my own history.
444
00:34:53,309 --> 00:34:54,708
Hello. What can I get for you?
445
00:34:54,709 --> 00:34:56,748
- Nothing.
- Yet.
446
00:34:56,749 --> 00:34:58,148
Don't answer for me.
447
00:34:58,149 --> 00:34:59,348
Please, take your time.
448
00:34:59,349 --> 00:35:01,309
Yeah, I'll take what I want.
449
00:35:03,860 --> 00:35:07,148
I'm just out of sync, that's all.
450
00:35:07,149 --> 00:35:08,309
Sure.
451
00:35:11,549 --> 00:35:14,469
You probably know more
about my past than I do.
452
00:35:15,629 --> 00:35:18,508
I'm guessing you've been
given a file or some...
453
00:35:18,509 --> 00:35:20,628
- Not really.
- Hmm?
454
00:35:20,629 --> 00:35:22,469
No? Well...
455
00:35:24,149 --> 00:35:25,669
...not much to say.
456
00:35:25,922 --> 00:35:27,282
Then don't.
457
00:35:32,669 --> 00:35:34,660
Bellboy saw me to my room...
458
00:35:36,229 --> 00:35:39,188
...showed me around, was a bit slow,
459
00:35:39,189 --> 00:35:41,268
I gave him a couple of dollars
460
00:35:41,269 --> 00:35:44,028
and as he turns to go, there's this
huge scar
461
00:35:44,029 --> 00:35:45,629
right down the back of his head.
462
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:50,868
Back home, I'm special.
463
00:35:50,869 --> 00:35:55,069
Here, I'm just one Tutsi
amongst millions.
464
00:35:55,489 --> 00:35:57,849
His story, mine, theirs...
465
00:35:59,109 --> 00:36:03,229
...all individual, but all the same.
466
00:36:07,949 --> 00:36:11,389
So, what's yours?
467
00:36:16,429 --> 00:36:18,428
Nothing you'd want to hear.
468
00:36:18,429 --> 00:36:20,069
Don't tell me what I want to hear.
469
00:36:27,149 --> 00:36:28,629
I'm Hutu.
470
00:36:38,629 --> 00:36:40,309
My father, erm...
471
00:36:44,109 --> 00:36:46,469
I'm not really sure what he was, but...
472
00:36:48,815 --> 00:36:50,735
...he was pretty bad.
473
00:36:54,789 --> 00:36:57,068
Anyway, erm...
474
00:36:57,069 --> 00:37:00,068
...as Mundanzi came in,
475
00:37:00,069 --> 00:37:03,189
we got out, into Zaire, in '94.
476
00:37:05,309 --> 00:37:06,669
Erm...
477
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:10,860
Sorry, I... I don't really remember,
like you, but...
478
00:37:13,389 --> 00:37:15,509
...three years later they were dead.
479
00:37:18,549 --> 00:37:19,589
That I remember.
480
00:37:22,909 --> 00:37:24,069
Cholera.
481
00:37:27,069 --> 00:37:30,829
I was on my own and that's when things...
482
00:37:32,429 --> 00:37:35,308
You... you were in a camp?
483
00:37:35,309 --> 00:37:37,229
Everyone was in a camp.
484
00:37:42,269 --> 00:37:43,629
No.
485
00:37:45,869 --> 00:37:49,509
I became part of... a militia.
486
00:37:51,629 --> 00:37:53,269
First Congolese War.
487
00:37:59,982 --> 00:38:01,662
How old were you?
488
00:38:03,009 --> 00:38:04,089
Not old enough.
489
00:38:09,669 --> 00:38:12,108
But a few years later, I...
490
00:38:12,109 --> 00:38:13,740
...I got lucky.
491
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:15,580
I got caught.
492
00:38:16,029 --> 00:38:18,029
I thought they were going to kill me...
493
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:21,389
...but, er, instead they...
494
00:38:22,509 --> 00:38:26,629
...put me into this educational
programme funded by your Yankees.
495
00:38:28,269 --> 00:38:30,868
And, er, when I was 13,
496
00:38:30,869 --> 00:38:32,868
they shipped me over there.
497
00:38:32,869 --> 00:38:35,869
High school, college, military.
498
00:38:38,389 --> 00:38:42,388
And... now here you are.
499
00:38:42,389 --> 00:38:43,749
Hmm.
500
00:38:46,709 --> 00:38:48,349
What's Eunice to do with it?
501
00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:52,189
She sponsored it... me.
502
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:56,909
Well, that sounds familiar.
503
00:38:58,829 --> 00:39:00,820
Still the same story, just...
504
00:39:01,869 --> 00:39:03,149
...from the other side.
505
00:39:06,229 --> 00:39:07,660
The wrong side.
506
00:39:20,029 --> 00:39:21,429
It wasn't your fault.
507
00:39:37,469 --> 00:39:39,789
Are you going to help me
with this, erm...?
508
00:39:41,709 --> 00:39:44,109
Are you going to help me
with this report?
509
00:39:47,389 --> 00:39:48,468
Yeah.
510
00:39:48,469 --> 00:39:50,589
Yes? Yeah.
511
00:39:52,695 --> 00:39:53,895
OK.
512
00:39:55,789 --> 00:39:56,829
OK.
513
00:39:58,549 --> 00:40:01,980
I, er, I think I'm ready to order.
514
00:40:12,789 --> 00:40:14,148
- Yo?
- Michael?
515
00:40:14,149 --> 00:40:15,748
Kate!
516
00:40:15,749 --> 00:40:18,020
- Are you all right?
- Yeah.
517
00:40:19,762 --> 00:40:22,562
Well, it's been two weeks.
I haven't heard from you.
518
00:40:22,587 --> 00:40:24,187
We've been busy.
519
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:26,309
And what have you found?
520
00:40:27,509 --> 00:40:30,788
The case construction is organised,
purposeful
521
00:40:30,789 --> 00:40:34,108
and, I'm repeatedly told, unimpeded
522
00:40:34,109 --> 00:40:38,268
by any political intervention
of any sort.
523
00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:40,348
Records are held in paper files,
524
00:40:40,349 --> 00:40:43,348
but are organised, safely kept
525
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:46,868
and easily accessible
in a unit specifically created
526
00:40:46,869 --> 00:40:48,229
for this purpose.
527
00:40:49,149 --> 00:40:53,828
I have been shown a singular case
file on an Erik Mutsinzi,
528
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:58,148
an ex-government officer accused
of participation in the genocide,
529
00:40:58,149 --> 00:41:01,029
and whose trial I was given the
opportunity to visit.
530
00:41:03,789 --> 00:41:06,468
Over the last few years,
the law has been updated
531
00:41:06,469 --> 00:41:09,100
to match international standards.
532
00:41:09,709 --> 00:41:11,548
Death penalty's gone,
533
00:41:11,549 --> 00:41:13,588
guarantee of fair trial,
534
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:15,388
unimpeded choice of defence lawyer,
535
00:41:15,389 --> 00:41:17,268
guarantee of cross-examination,
536
00:41:17,269 --> 00:41:19,668
guarantee of witness protection.
537
00:41:19,669 --> 00:41:23,788
All these appear to be present
and standard.
538
00:41:23,789 --> 00:41:26,068
The central prison is old,
539
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:28,588
but access to the defence team
and a telephone
540
00:41:28,589 --> 00:41:31,468
is regular and unsurveilled.
541
00:41:31,469 --> 00:41:34,069
I've seen it for myself
and believe it to be true.
542
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:37,668
There is no evidence,
543
00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:40,468
and none has been suggested
by the prisoners themselves,
544
00:41:40,469 --> 00:41:43,748
of torture or any form of maltreatment.
545
00:41:43,749 --> 00:41:48,028
Now, when you set this in the context
of what these men are accused of,
546
00:41:48,029 --> 00:41:51,708
the level and extent of their injury
to the people of this country,
547
00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:54,148
the State's restraint, professionalism
548
00:41:54,149 --> 00:41:58,068
and even respect for the rights
and wellbeing of these individuals
549
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:59,829
is nothing short of remarkable.
550
00:42:02,549 --> 00:42:05,308
Listen, I know it's only been a
little while,
551
00:42:05,309 --> 00:42:08,788
but based on the evidence
I've been presented with so far,
552
00:42:08,789 --> 00:42:12,429
Patrice Ganimana could well stand
trial here, in Rwanda.
553
00:45:32,549 --> 00:45:34,509
She's coming.
554
00:45:42,229 --> 00:45:43,700
His birthday.
555
00:45:44,589 --> 00:45:45,948
Hm.
556
00:45:45,949 --> 00:45:47,349
You didn't say.
557
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:52,260
His first here in many years.
558
00:45:53,869 --> 00:45:54,949
Happy birthday.
559
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:57,588
Thanks.
560
00:45:57,589 --> 00:46:00,069
Much to celebrate, I think.
561
00:46:08,269 --> 00:46:10,508
KNOCK ON DOOR:
562
00:46:10,509 --> 00:46:12,029
Just there!
563
00:46:17,549 --> 00:46:20,189
You go on down, I'll be there.
564
00:46:36,269 --> 00:46:39,309
I am a friend of Erik Mutsinzi.
565
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:43,789
The man whose trial you visited.
566
00:46:44,989 --> 00:46:46,188
Right.
567
00:46:46,189 --> 00:46:50,300
The witness you saw giving evidence
against him...
568
00:46:50,909 --> 00:46:52,349
...she was lying.
569
00:47:18,949 --> 00:47:20,509
Answer no more.
570
00:47:32,789 --> 00:47:36,349
Yego, nabikubonera mu kwezi kundi.
571
00:47:44,589 --> 00:47:47,788
Well, that was pointless.
572
00:47:47,789 --> 00:47:49,588
The only reason people talk
573
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:52,548
is if they're more afraid of you
than the other person.
574
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:54,269
She's not afraid of you.
575
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:58,429
Go wait in the bar.
576
00:48:27,709 --> 00:48:30,469
Sit down and listen.
577
00:48:39,389 --> 00:48:41,748
She will withdraw the evidence.
578
00:48:41,749 --> 00:48:43,788
Did you coerce her?
579
00:48:43,789 --> 00:48:46,340
Just went further up the food chain.
580
00:48:47,269 --> 00:48:48,549
Where?
581
00:48:49,669 --> 00:48:52,428
The factory used to be owned
by the Mutsinzi family.
582
00:48:52,429 --> 00:48:55,508
And the new owner is worried
that if he's released,
583
00:48:55,509 --> 00:48:56,988
he'll claim it back.
584
00:48:56,989 --> 00:48:59,297
So, he's got a worker
to testify against him?
585
00:48:59,298 --> 00:49:01,189
Not only her. He did it himself.
586
00:49:03,149 --> 00:49:04,380
Shit.
587
00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:06,388
Perjury.
588
00:49:06,389 --> 00:49:08,829
- Hm, but that's not the problem.
- Then, what is?
589
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:12,100
The whole community knew he was doing it.
590
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:16,748
So why didn't the defence counsel
find out?
591
00:49:16,749 --> 00:49:18,188
Exactly.
592
00:49:18,189 --> 00:49:20,229
That's the problem.
593
00:49:22,149 --> 00:49:23,948
I've only just started,
594
00:49:23,949 --> 00:49:26,108
but I doubt if I can catch up.
595
00:49:26,109 --> 00:49:27,148
Why?
596
00:49:27,149 --> 00:49:30,108
Look about you.
I do not have the resources.
597
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:32,108
It is why the last man left.
598
00:49:32,109 --> 00:49:33,148
Why?
599
00:49:33,149 --> 00:49:35,868
They have changed the way we are paid.
600
00:49:35,869 --> 00:49:37,708
It is now a fixed fee.
601
00:49:37,709 --> 00:49:38,988
So?
602
00:49:38,989 --> 00:49:43,188
When it started,
it was 30,000 francs per hour,
603
00:49:43,189 --> 00:49:46,909
but now it is 15 million, period.
604
00:49:47,989 --> 00:49:49,388
What's that?
605
00:49:49,389 --> 00:49:50,829
About 18,000.
606
00:49:54,229 --> 00:49:56,949
- So?
- It is four years' work at least!
607
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:59,588
Right.
608
00:49:59,589 --> 00:50:02,269
I can hardly afford to pay for a phone.
609
00:50:05,869 --> 00:50:07,828
Why didn't you say?
610
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:09,868
They are still being paid.
611
00:50:09,869 --> 00:50:12,388
When you set it in the context
of the average wage here...
612
00:50:12,389 --> 00:50:14,348
This... this isn't the average activity.
613
00:50:14,349 --> 00:50:16,268
It's a job that sits on the world stage.
614
00:50:16,269 --> 00:50:18,388
Do you realise
how expensive that would be?
615
00:50:18,389 --> 00:50:20,188
Do you realise how necessary it is?
616
00:50:20,189 --> 00:50:23,028
You have to understand
how far they have come.
617
00:50:23,029 --> 00:50:24,228
Don't.
618
00:50:24,229 --> 00:50:26,228
Don't infantilise this country!
619
00:50:26,229 --> 00:50:27,588
I'm not.
620
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:31,149
I'm telling you this country
could not afford what you suggest.
621
00:50:33,749 --> 00:50:36,348
So, this makes me very happy.
622
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:38,708
So you can prove me wrong?
623
00:50:38,709 --> 00:50:40,789
So I can offer you help!
624
00:50:44,949 --> 00:50:46,468
How?
625
00:50:46,469 --> 00:50:49,948
The extraditing country,
like, say, the UK,
626
00:50:49,949 --> 00:50:51,908
would also agree to foot the bill
627
00:50:51,909 --> 00:50:54,308
for a defence team
of the accused's choice
628
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:55,629
throughout the trial.
629
00:50:56,829 --> 00:50:58,428
A very interesting idea.
630
00:50:58,429 --> 00:51:00,348
Which you might explore?
631
00:51:00,349 --> 00:51:01,748
We do already have a provision
632
00:51:01,749 --> 00:51:03,948
for Western lawyers
to work within our system.
633
00:51:03,949 --> 00:51:05,988
But not for defence counsels
634
00:51:05,989 --> 00:51:09,468
to be paid for directly
by an extraditing state.
635
00:51:09,469 --> 00:51:11,268
It is just that, wherever possible,
636
00:51:11,269 --> 00:51:14,468
we are looking to cut
our imperial apron strings,
637
00:51:14,469 --> 00:51:16,909
not... tighten them.
638
00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:20,388
Forgive me, but I thought
you wanted to see justice done
639
00:51:20,389 --> 00:51:23,260
and for the whole world to see you do it.
640
00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:26,348
Madam President.
641
00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:30,509
This is Kate Ashby,
the daughter of Eve, the lawyer.
642
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:33,268
Thank you for everything
that you are doing.
643
00:51:33,269 --> 00:51:35,708
Oh, I'm... I'm not sure I am.
644
00:51:35,709 --> 00:51:37,180
I am sure you are.
645
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:40,909
- David, in five minutes, yes?
- Of course.
646
00:51:42,869 --> 00:51:44,349
Have you seen the gorillas?
647
00:51:48,229 --> 00:51:51,748
Er, no, I haven't had the time.
648
00:51:51,749 --> 00:51:55,269
Isn't that what you all think we are
here for where you come from?
649
00:51:57,469 --> 00:51:59,428
Erm, I...
650
00:51:59,429 --> 00:52:01,749
To protect the gorillas.
651
00:52:04,229 --> 00:52:06,948
Actually, I was born here.
652
00:52:06,949 --> 00:52:09,388
Oh, yes, I understand.
653
00:52:09,389 --> 00:52:10,988
But now from the UK.
654
00:52:10,989 --> 00:52:12,469
Yes?
655
00:52:14,109 --> 00:52:15,388
Yes.
656
00:52:15,389 --> 00:52:16,828
And in the UK,
657
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:18,629
have you met your prime minister?
658
00:52:22,029 --> 00:52:23,708
No.
659
00:52:23,709 --> 00:52:26,620
And yet, somehow, you expect to meet me.
660
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:29,028
Oh, no, I didn't, I just...
661
00:52:29,029 --> 00:52:31,589
Thank you for everything
that you are doing.
662
00:52:33,989 --> 00:52:35,789
Five minutes, David!
663
00:52:44,109 --> 00:52:47,829
She can be a little... spiky.
664
00:52:51,509 --> 00:52:53,788
Perhaps I should not have set that up.
665
00:52:53,789 --> 00:52:55,580
You set that up?
666
00:52:55,949 --> 00:52:57,828
I must go.
667
00:52:57,829 --> 00:53:00,828
But there is one problem.
668
00:53:00,829 --> 00:53:02,348
Your mother's file,
669
00:53:02,349 --> 00:53:03,788
it has been very helpful.
670
00:53:03,789 --> 00:53:06,028
We are managing to locate
everything we need,
671
00:53:06,029 --> 00:53:08,140
except for one article.
672
00:53:10,749 --> 00:53:12,109
This.
673
00:53:13,709 --> 00:53:17,148
That is the number
for a file we cannot find.
674
00:53:17,149 --> 00:53:21,340
When you return to London,
might you perhaps take another look?
675
00:53:22,029 --> 00:53:24,748
Well, I'm not sure where. What is it?
676
00:53:24,749 --> 00:53:27,348
That is what we would like to know.
Please.
677
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:29,628
What about the funding issue?
678
00:53:29,629 --> 00:53:32,389
Oh, feel free to approach
whomever you wish.
679
00:53:33,469 --> 00:53:34,789
I couldn't do that.
680
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:38,149
Then, who could?
681
00:53:40,269 --> 00:53:42,428
Can't think the issue of defence funding
682
00:53:42,429 --> 00:53:44,588
hasn't already been discussed.
683
00:53:44,589 --> 00:53:48,508
Only as a pro bono committee through
the Attorney General's office,
684
00:53:48,509 --> 00:53:50,828
and that was before we had
Patrice Ganimana holed up
685
00:53:50,829 --> 00:53:53,788
in a prime bit of London real estate.
686
00:53:53,789 --> 00:53:57,269
So, will you show this to the Minister?
687
00:54:00,229 --> 00:54:04,028
Who opened the doors for you in Rwanda?
688
00:54:04,029 --> 00:54:05,788
David Runihura, Special Advisor...
689
00:54:05,789 --> 00:54:08,829
Yeah, I know who he is, Michael.
690
00:54:11,069 --> 00:54:13,388
You know Rwanda is of particular interest
691
00:54:13,389 --> 00:54:15,108
to the Secretary of State.
692
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:16,428
- Yes?
- Hm.
693
00:54:16,429 --> 00:54:20,908
He was a junior at the FCO
during the genocide.
694
00:54:20,909 --> 00:54:22,268
It caught him out.
695
00:54:22,269 --> 00:54:23,868
Wasn't exactly alone.
696
00:54:23,869 --> 00:54:25,468
But he's a great admirer
697
00:54:25,469 --> 00:54:28,068
of how the country managed
to pick itself back up.
698
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:29,628
Who isn't?
699
00:54:29,629 --> 00:54:33,068
I prosecuted one of the first cases
at the ICTR.
700
00:54:33,069 --> 00:54:34,709
Yes, of course.
701
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:40,828
Actually, we had Eunice Clayton in
here the other day.
702
00:54:40,829 --> 00:54:42,268
Did you?
703
00:54:42,269 --> 00:54:44,988
Didn't realise she had her boots
on the floor, as it were,
704
00:54:44,989 --> 00:54:46,700
during the whole horror of it.
705
00:54:47,909 --> 00:54:49,580
She was with an NGO.
706
00:54:50,149 --> 00:54:51,308
That how you met?
707
00:54:51,309 --> 00:54:52,549
Yeah.
708
00:54:55,229 --> 00:54:58,989
She has a very particular way
of speaking, don't you find?
709
00:55:00,749 --> 00:55:01,869
Direct?
710
00:55:03,229 --> 00:55:04,269
Gynaecological.
711
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:07,188
In, er, quite some discomfort, actually.
712
00:55:07,189 --> 00:55:09,228
I had to offer her a paracetamol.
713
00:55:09,229 --> 00:55:12,708
Perhaps that's what made her
so ill-humoured.
714
00:55:12,709 --> 00:55:14,908
- I'm sorry to hear that.
- Hm.
715
00:55:14,909 --> 00:55:17,668
Well, that and the fact that I'm not sure
716
00:55:17,669 --> 00:55:21,988
she and the Minister
share quite the same... vision
717
00:55:21,989 --> 00:55:23,468
for that region.
718
00:55:23,469 --> 00:55:24,629
Which is?
719
00:55:32,571 --> 00:55:36,708
That Mundanzi went for a third term
is, of course,
720
00:55:36,709 --> 00:55:40,629
a matter of deep regret
for the democratic cause.
721
00:55:41,762 --> 00:55:43,400
However,
722
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:48,468
after the salutary lessons of Libya,
723
00:55:48,469 --> 00:55:51,548
and with the scorch of burnt wool
724
00:55:51,549 --> 00:55:54,269
still permeating the Minister's wardrobe,
725
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:58,948
the presence of a strong man, or
woman, of Africa is,
726
00:55:58,949 --> 00:56:00,588
for the time being at least,
727
00:56:00,589 --> 00:56:02,508
felt to be far preferable
728
00:56:02,509 --> 00:56:06,348
to yet another descent
into intertribal insanity.
729
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:08,148
Which no-one is looking for.
730
00:56:08,149 --> 00:56:09,300
Of course not.
731
00:56:10,269 --> 00:56:12,789
How is Alice Munezero?
732
00:56:17,935 --> 00:56:20,175
She's not looking to topple
the President.
733
00:56:21,922 --> 00:56:22,962
Hm.
734
00:56:24,229 --> 00:56:27,508
Although I applaud your directness,
it is, of course,
735
00:56:27,509 --> 00:56:30,060
quite impossible for me to have
heard what you just said.
736
00:56:31,029 --> 00:56:33,908
Though I'm bound to wonder what it
is, exactly,
737
00:56:33,909 --> 00:56:36,069
this is really about.
738
00:56:37,648 --> 00:56:39,300
Oh, well...
739
00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:41,868
That's simple.
740
00:56:41,869 --> 00:56:43,229
It's about justice.
741
00:56:45,709 --> 00:56:46,788
Really?
742
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:48,269
Absolutely.
743
00:56:50,909 --> 00:56:51,989
What else?
744
00:57:03,869 --> 00:57:05,709
David Runihura.
745
00:57:07,869 --> 00:57:11,348
You realise he's rumoured
to be the Earl of Leicester
746
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:13,149
to Mundanzi's Elizabeth?
747
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:15,020
Yeah.
748
00:57:15,669 --> 00:57:20,389
And with Alice Munezero
as Mary, Queen of Scots,
749
00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:24,589
you might just care to ask yourself,
where does that place you?
750
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:28,988
Fella named David Rizzio, I believe,
751
00:57:28,989 --> 00:57:33,989
was Mary's chief advisor
and sometime lover.
752
00:57:36,029 --> 00:57:38,269
I'm presuming that didn't end well.
753
00:57:41,229 --> 00:57:45,268
But stabbed 56 times, Mikey,
754
00:57:45,269 --> 00:57:47,749
with a knife that long.
755
00:57:48,989 --> 00:57:52,869
They found almost as many divots
in the floor beneath his body.
756
00:57:54,062 --> 00:57:57,262
Makes you wonder just how much
he must have pissed people off,
757
00:57:57,287 --> 00:57:58,967
doesn't it?
758
00:57:59,069 --> 00:58:01,548
But then, perhaps, people like that
759
00:58:01,549 --> 00:58:03,908
never quite understand
760
00:58:03,909 --> 00:58:06,669
the true nature of their game.
761
00:58:09,189 --> 00:58:10,629
Safe journey.
762
00:58:16,909 --> 00:58:18,709
Fuck you!
51966
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