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Two counts of murder
with special circumstances
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have been filed againstErik and Lyle Menendez.
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He told me everything.
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How you shot your parents.
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I had to tell somebody.
I wanted to kill myself.
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You trust a doctor
more than your own brother.
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I think you and I
should go back in and talk.
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I don't have anything to say to you.
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Good luck, Dr. Oziel.
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If you kick me out,
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I'll go to the cops,
and I'll tell them
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that Lyle and Erik confessed to you.
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You do that,
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and I'll be
the least of your problems.
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A warrant was executed
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to seize tapes froma Beverly Hills psychologist.
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Are you gonna take our case?
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If I feel I can believe in it,
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I will do it.
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Mr. Reiner, who wants to be
our attorney general,
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is at war with
the most basic social contract
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we have:
Doctor-patient privilege.
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Someone has to stop him.
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And we will.
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You don't owe those parasites a photo.
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Just breathe.
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Keep your eyes on me.
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Megan Lang, NBC News.
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So very sorry for your loss.
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Defendants Erik and Lyle Menendez,
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you've been charged with the murder
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of Mary Louise Menendez
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and for Joe Say Menendez.
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How do you plead?
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- Not guilty.
- Not guilty.
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Defendants are remanded to custody.
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Your Honor, the district attorney
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has been leaking information
to the media.
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I know Mr. Reiner is running
for attorney general,
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but that doesn't give him the right
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to poison the jury pool.
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Mr. Alhadeff,
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you tell your boss to stop the leaks.
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We're adjourned.
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Remember: No talking to anyone.
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Okay?
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It's going to take more
than a warning from a judge
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to shut Mr. Reiner up.
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A court order is what is needed
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to keep him from turning
this whole case
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into some kind of a reality TV show,
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and he can stand in front of
all the flags he wants to
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at his press conferences.
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Does not hide the fact
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that he is trying to trample
on our clients' rights.
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Leslie, do you think that
the DA is biased against your clients?
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I don't know about the DA.
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But I do know that the media
doesn't like rich people.
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And with all the Wall Street scandals
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and the white-collar crimes
over the last 10 years,
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who can blame them?
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But what you are doing
is you are scapegoating my clients
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because their parents were rich.
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You called them spoiled,
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you called them entitled.
If you met Erik and Lyle,
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you would see
that they are not spoiled,
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and they know
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the only thing they are entitled to
is a fair hearing.
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And we're going to
make absolutely sure
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that they get that.
Thank you.
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Excuse me.
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Mrs. Menendez,
can you tell us
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about your grandsons?
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Mama. Mama.
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You are charged with the murder
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of Mary Louise Menendez
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and Joe Say Menendez.
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They're smiling.
Look at them.
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Why the hell are they smiling?
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As Mr. Chaleff explained,
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Ms. Lansing knows the case
inside and out,
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and she's a lot tougher
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than her very good looks
might suggest.
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Lyle, are you okay with the change?
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Chaleff thinks we're going to lose.
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That's why he quit.
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No, he withdrew to give us
a better chance of winning.
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He said that they
were going to split us up.
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Separate trials?
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That's what the prosecution wants.
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They're going to try
to turn you against each other,
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but we're not going to
let that happen, are we?
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Absolutely not.
We stick together.
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As long as we're together,
we'll be okay.
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Right. It's Lyle and me.
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The only prosecution witness
is Oziel's mistress, Judalon Smyth.
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She's a flake. She used to date
Al Goldstein, the porno king.
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It makes you wonder about Oziel.
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How did he end up as your therapist?
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Uh, Mom's shrink recommended him.
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First thing we're gonna do
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is get his audio notes
and tapes of you thrown out.
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Did you give Oziel permission
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to share the details
of your sessions with anyone?
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Well, when I started seeing him,
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my parents made him tell them
what I said.
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That won't affect the privilege now.
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The DA mentioned a threat of violence.
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Did you ever threaten Oziel?
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- No.
- No way.
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Then it's still privileged.
We're gonna keep those out.
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The network gave us May 17th.
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That's smack in the middle
of the sweeps.
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What are the other networks doing?
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CBS will do it on "60 Minutes,"
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NBC has a special.
But we've got Diane.
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Sexy Sawyer.
Can't beat that.
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I'll get an exclusive with Grandma;
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By the end of the week,
we'll get Oziel,
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all the key players lining up
for team ABC.
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Judalon, there was
$14 million involved in this.
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But you did what you did,
and that's what you did.
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I suggest you have no commentto the press
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unless you want thingsdisclosed that you don't...
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Really, Jerry?
Well, I just called to say
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that the boys are in jail
and I'm not dead.
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And you said if I went to the police,
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that I'd be dead in two minutes.
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Well, guess what.
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It's gonna take a little longer.
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Now he'll cooperate.
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Let's talk about the guns.
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You said you heard Erik
talk about guns.
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No, Jerry told me.
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Erik said they bought the guns
in a store near San Diego.
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It had security cameras.
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Erik was worried
that they were filmed.
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After the murders,
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they tossed the guns off Mulholland,
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about a mile west of Coldwater.
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Hey, you four.
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Head over to that ravine.
You two, and you guys,
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Hey watch out.
That's poison oak over there.
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Hey! So,
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only lost three Explorer Scouts
so far.
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What do you got?
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Gun stores within two miles
of the freeway
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between Newport and San Diego.
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That's a lot of gun stores.
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There's more bad news.
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DMV got a request to cancel
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the California plates
for Erik's Ford Escort.
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It's been sent out of state.
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No idea where.
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The biggest problem people have
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with them is that they're wealthy.
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"Rich, greedy brats,"
according to my husband.
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As if it's their fault
they were born rich.
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There's this shopping spree.
Watches, a Porsche,
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condos, a restaurant...
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How did they spend money before?
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Well, Lyle's had
a credit card since he was 15.
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Lives in a condo his father
bought him in Princeton.
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What kind of car did he drive?
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Cars. A three-year-old Alfa
and a Beamer.
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Erik had an '87 Escort.
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Hard to be a rich brat in an Escort.
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So mostly, their spending
after the murders
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was the same as it was before.
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It's perception.
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People think they have advantages
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because they're privileged,
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and now that privilege
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is being used against them.
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So next problem: The notes
that Oziel dictated
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after sessions with Erik and Lyle
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on Halloween, and there's a tape
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of a December session.
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We need to know what's on them.
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I've got a friend from the academy
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at the Beverly Hills PD.
I'll ask her.
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Cindy has more connections than AT&T.
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That's why I hired her.
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That, and I'm the only investigator
who can put up with you.
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Um, this is what I've got on Oziel.
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His license was suspended in '86
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for improper billing practices.
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There are two complaints pending
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with the Board of Psychology,
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one alleging that he raped a patient
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and tried to strangle her
with a phone cord.
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Jesus, why isn't he in jail?
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Good question.
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Now, you may have heard
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that there's a confession
on those tapes.
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There probably is.
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Between these four walls
and these four women,
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Erik told me they did it.
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Lyle hasn't admitted anything to me.
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They still deserve the best defense
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we can give them.
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Are you sure about this one, Les?
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These boys shot their mother
in the face.
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Right.
We're all mothers here.
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Cindy and Marcia know about my mother.
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She... put me last
from the second I was born.
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She opposed me every change she got.
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Still, I love her.
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I... I can't imagine
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the kind of pain that must exist
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between a mother and child
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to provoke that kind of violence.
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Well, the father was authoritarian,
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verbally abusive.
Maybe the mother was too.
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There's still huge pieces
missing here,
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but we'll find them.
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We hear you filed a motion
to get your tapes back.
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Well, we want them
kept out of court too.
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We can help each other.
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I'm not aligned with either side.
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Understood.
Then you won't mind answering
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some questions.
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Was Judalon Smyth in your waiting room
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during your sessions
with Erik and Lyle?
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No. Anyway,
there's two padded doors
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between here and the waiting room.
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Then how did she know
what was said in the sessions?
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Did you tell her?
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No, of course not.
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I honor
the doctor-patient privilege.
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In many ways, I feel like
being a therapist is like
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a holy man,
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and there's a sacredness
to the connections we forge.
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No, no, Judalon knows what she knows
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because she read my notes
when she stayed with my family,
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and for the record,
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she was not a frightened person
doing her civic duty
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when she went to the police.
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She was not in fear of the boys.
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She just wanted to destroy me.
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But you told the police
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you felt threatened by Erik and Lyle?
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Well, yes.
Lyle did threaten me.
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How did he do that?
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He took my hand, looked me in the eye,
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and said,
"Good luck, Dr. Oziel."
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You took that as a threat?
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It was said in a threatening manner.
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Here. Show us.
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Good luck...
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Dr. Oziel.
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Like that.
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With that way of fixing me in the eye.
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Between men, that's a veiled threat.
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Yes, I know what a veiled threat is.
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So I'm confused.
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You filed a motion
to get your tapes back,
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00:11:04,496 --> 00:11:06,164
and then you gave the DA an excuse
263
00:11:06,198 --> 00:11:08,933
to use them as evidence
with this business about threats.
264
00:11:08,968 --> 00:11:10,401
Listen.
265
00:11:10,436 --> 00:11:12,470
I am in a tremendous amount of pain
266
00:11:12,504 --> 00:11:16,441
at the idea of testifying
against former patients.
267
00:11:16,475 --> 00:11:18,309
But if the court orders me,
I'm obligated to.
268
00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:20,245
Yes, that's a nice speech.
269
00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:21,913
I think you're trying to
cover something up.
270
00:11:21,947 --> 00:11:23,681
Like the fact that
you milked them for sessions
271
00:11:23,716 --> 00:11:25,650
- that never took place.
- I resent that.
272
00:11:25,684 --> 00:11:27,252
I spoke with the boys' lawyer,
273
00:11:27,286 --> 00:11:28,620
Mr. Chaleff,
and at his request...
274
00:11:28,654 --> 00:11:30,788
He's not their lawyer
anymore... we are.
275
00:11:36,996 --> 00:11:39,264
Good luck, Dr. Oziel.
276
00:11:53,696 --> 00:11:55,215
How are they treating you?
277
00:11:55,217 --> 00:11:57,986
There's seven inmates
just in my unit named Menendez.
278
00:11:58,020 --> 00:12:00,422
Three are named Jose.
279
00:12:00,456 --> 00:12:02,357
What happened to your hair?
280
00:12:02,391 --> 00:12:04,225
They confiscated
the glue from my hairpiece.
281
00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:10,260
Ms. Lansing is working
on getting it back.
282
00:12:13,769 --> 00:12:16,517
This is great.
283
00:12:17,079 --> 00:12:18,546
I can't sleep.
284
00:12:18,581 --> 00:12:20,415
The lights are always on
and I can't breathe.
285
00:12:20,449 --> 00:12:22,684
You'll be out of here soon, baby.
286
00:12:22,718 --> 00:12:25,987
My parents say there's no way
the police can use those tapes.
287
00:12:26,022 --> 00:12:28,523
I just keep having
nightmares about Mom,
288
00:12:28,557 --> 00:12:30,358
and Dad yelling at me.
289
00:12:30,393 --> 00:12:32,394
Don't think about him.
290
00:12:32,428 --> 00:12:34,863
Think about me.
291
00:12:34,897 --> 00:12:39,868
Think about me waiting for you, baby.
292
00:12:42,905 --> 00:12:47,208
Look, I need your help, Jamie.
293
00:12:47,243 --> 00:12:50,045
I want you to tell the police
that my dad made a pass at you.
294
00:12:50,079 --> 00:12:52,680
He grabbed you.
295
00:12:52,715 --> 00:12:54,716
But he never did that.
296
00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:56,718
Please. If they ask, just say it.
297
00:12:56,752 --> 00:12:59,454
You said he liked me.
298
00:12:59,488 --> 00:13:01,623
Why would I lie?
299
00:13:01,657 --> 00:13:03,358
Jamie, why do you think
you got the sponsorship
300
00:13:03,392 --> 00:13:06,528
to play in Europe?
301
00:13:06,562 --> 00:13:10,031
My dad thought
you weren't appropriate for me.
302
00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:15,236
So he put up the sponsorship money
to get rid of you.
303
00:13:15,271 --> 00:13:17,038
So do it, please.
304
00:13:17,073 --> 00:13:18,406
For us.
305
00:13:21,444 --> 00:13:24,245
Sorry, no.
306
00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,247
If you showed me the guns,
I'd remember who bought them.
307
00:13:26,282 --> 00:13:28,316
Believe me, miss,
I wish we had guns to show you.
308
00:13:28,350 --> 00:13:30,418
Les.
309
00:13:30,453 --> 00:13:32,587
Check the name on this one.
310
00:13:32,621 --> 00:13:34,489
Donovan Goodreau.
311
00:13:34,523 --> 00:13:36,091
Lyle's old roommate.
312
00:13:36,125 --> 00:13:38,126
He bought two 12 gauge
Mossbergs, August 18th.
313
00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,429
Says they checked
his driver's license.
314
00:13:41,464 --> 00:13:44,599
Hey, uh, would you have
a security tape
315
00:13:44,633 --> 00:13:46,734
from August 18th last year?
316
00:13:46,769 --> 00:13:48,269
Our camera doesn't work.
317
00:13:48,304 --> 00:13:51,072
We just keep it there
to scare the bad guys away.
318
00:13:52,808 --> 00:13:56,511
The New York cop who helped us
with the Billionaire Boys Club.
319
00:13:56,745 --> 00:13:58,313
Boggs.
320
00:13:58,347 --> 00:13:59,814
I hope this number's still good.
321
00:14:02,623 --> 00:14:05,848
_
322
00:14:10,526 --> 00:14:12,026
Detective Zoeller.
323
00:14:12,061 --> 00:14:13,695
Yeah, his alibi checks out.
324
00:14:13,729 --> 00:14:15,330
He was working here August 18th.
325
00:14:15,364 --> 00:14:17,498
All right. Thank you,
Detective Boggs.
326
00:14:17,533 --> 00:14:19,534
Any time you're in the
neighborhood, give me a ring.
327
00:14:19,568 --> 00:14:21,836
NYPD, at your service.
328
00:14:25,207 --> 00:14:26,374
Hello?
329
00:14:26,408 --> 00:14:27,709
Looks like you're off the hook.
330
00:14:27,743 --> 00:14:29,143
For what?
331
00:14:29,178 --> 00:14:30,411
Oh, your driver's license
332
00:14:30,446 --> 00:14:31,913
was used to buy two shotguns
333
00:14:31,947 --> 00:14:34,716
in San Diego, two days
before the murder.
334
00:14:34,750 --> 00:14:37,185
You lend your license to anybody?
335
00:14:37,219 --> 00:14:39,187
I lost it. I left it behind
336
00:14:39,221 --> 00:14:41,389
when Lyle threw me out
of his dorm in Princeton.
337
00:14:44,126 --> 00:14:46,961
I think I said,
"Good luck, Dr. Oziel."
338
00:14:46,995 --> 00:14:48,462
Just, like, "Have a nice life."
339
00:14:48,497 --> 00:14:50,097
I wasn't ever planning
to see him again.
340
00:14:50,132 --> 00:14:52,567
Did you mean to threaten him?
341
00:14:52,601 --> 00:14:54,569
No. I was mad at Erik.
342
00:14:54,603 --> 00:14:56,904
Oziel could go to the police.
343
00:14:56,939 --> 00:15:00,241
- Did you want to kill him?
- No, I was just...
344
00:15:00,275 --> 00:15:02,143
annoyed.
345
00:15:02,177 --> 00:15:04,979
I think he had
some idea to blackmail us,
346
00:15:05,013 --> 00:15:07,148
but I told Jerry Chaleff about Oziel.
347
00:15:07,182 --> 00:15:10,051
Why would I do that
if I wanted to kill Oziel?
348
00:15:10,085 --> 00:15:12,753
Okay.
349
00:15:12,788 --> 00:15:14,488
I don't want you
to get in trouble here, Lyle,
350
00:15:14,523 --> 00:15:16,958
and sometimes, when you're annoyed,
351
00:15:16,992 --> 00:15:18,893
it can come off as anger.
352
00:15:20,963 --> 00:15:24,732
That's my father.
353
00:15:24,766 --> 00:15:28,469
He said in business, it's good
to make people afraid of you.
354
00:15:28,503 --> 00:15:31,572
In prison, that's a dangerous game.
355
00:15:33,642 --> 00:15:35,276
I, um...
356
00:15:35,310 --> 00:15:37,979
Appreciate the advice.
357
00:15:38,013 --> 00:15:40,781
And, Miss Lansing, thanks for...
358
00:15:40,816 --> 00:15:42,850
getting my glue back.
359
00:15:42,884 --> 00:15:44,952
You can call me Jill.
360
00:15:44,987 --> 00:15:49,290
And my friends call me
"Jilly."
361
00:15:49,324 --> 00:15:51,525
Why would I threaten Dr. Oziel?
362
00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,127
I wasn't mad at him.
363
00:15:53,161 --> 00:15:54,462
No? I'm mad at him.
364
00:15:54,496 --> 00:15:55,529
He exploited you.
365
00:15:58,667 --> 00:16:00,301
You ever get angry, Erik?
366
00:16:00,335 --> 00:16:02,603
At Lyle? Maybe at your parents?
367
00:16:08,043 --> 00:16:10,811
You know you can talk to me, right?
368
00:16:15,017 --> 00:16:18,319
My mom is an emotional abuser.
369
00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:21,389
I've never stopped loving her,
not for one second.
370
00:16:21,423 --> 00:16:24,725
But I get so angry at her,
371
00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,193
so angry.
372
00:16:29,264 --> 00:16:32,166
On that last day with your parents,
373
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,901
were you angry?
374
00:16:37,406 --> 00:16:40,207
Now that you say it
like that, I guess.
375
00:16:40,242 --> 00:16:41,976
Were you afraid?
376
00:16:44,946 --> 00:16:48,516
All the time.
377
00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:52,353
As bad as it is in here, it's...
378
00:16:52,387 --> 00:16:55,656
it's amazing, not to have to
be afraid anymore.
379
00:16:55,691 --> 00:16:58,826
Afraid of what, honey?
380
00:17:03,999 --> 00:17:07,268
That tape Oziel did with
Erik and Lyle in December,
381
00:17:07,303 --> 00:17:08,636
I need to know what's on it.
382
00:17:08,671 --> 00:17:11,773
I haven't heard it. Lyle told me
that Oziel did most of the talking.
383
00:17:11,807 --> 00:17:13,942
Uh, suggested motives for the murders.
384
00:17:13,976 --> 00:17:15,677
The boys went along
with whatever he said.
385
00:17:15,711 --> 00:17:17,312
Which was what?
386
00:17:17,346 --> 00:17:19,114
Oziel suggested the boys
were trying to escape
387
00:17:19,148 --> 00:17:20,782
Jose's dominations, control.
388
00:17:20,816 --> 00:17:22,417
They had escaped!
389
00:17:22,451 --> 00:17:25,920
Lyle was at Princeton,
Erik was going to UCLA.
390
00:17:25,955 --> 00:17:28,456
So what motive did Oziel
suggest for killing the mother?
391
00:17:28,491 --> 00:17:30,792
Mercy killing.
Kitty was suicidal,
392
00:17:30,826 --> 00:17:32,260
couldn't survive without Jose.
393
00:17:32,294 --> 00:17:33,928
Dah, what baloney.
394
00:17:33,963 --> 00:17:36,164
- Les, they did it.
- I'm not saying they didn't.
395
00:17:36,198 --> 00:17:37,665
I'm trying to get
my head around a motive,
396
00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,534
and nobody's giving it to me.
397
00:17:39,568 --> 00:17:41,503
I can't provide a defense
398
00:17:41,537 --> 00:17:43,838
if I don't understand
what happened and why.
399
00:17:43,873 --> 00:17:47,375
I need somebody to open those boys up.
400
00:17:48,744 --> 00:17:50,445
This is Bill Vicary.
401
00:17:50,479 --> 00:17:51,713
He's a psychiatrist.
402
00:17:51,747 --> 00:17:53,181
I've worked with him before.
403
00:17:53,215 --> 00:17:56,217
He would not be here
if he wasn't the best.
404
00:17:56,252 --> 00:17:59,787
And we think he can help us
move things forward.
405
00:17:59,822 --> 00:18:01,823
I'm pleased to meet you both.
406
00:18:01,857 --> 00:18:05,860
I look forward to getting to know you.
407
00:18:05,895 --> 00:18:08,863
Do you have any questions
for Dr. Vicary?
408
00:18:10,199 --> 00:18:13,134
No, I can't think of anything.
409
00:18:13,169 --> 00:18:14,736
Look.
410
00:18:14,770 --> 00:18:16,804
We have a tough situation here,
411
00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:19,007
and Bill is here to help us.
412
00:18:19,041 --> 00:18:21,075
And we all know you guys did it.
413
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:24,679
Isn't that right?
414
00:18:24,713 --> 00:18:26,748
Then talk to Bill.
415
00:18:31,353 --> 00:18:34,522
My father's standards
were impossibly high.
416
00:18:34,557 --> 00:18:36,858
That was hard for us.
417
00:18:36,892 --> 00:18:39,661
Can you give me an example?
418
00:18:39,695 --> 00:18:41,829
My girlfriends.
419
00:18:41,864 --> 00:18:45,433
Even after I went away to Princeton,
he tried to control who I dated.
420
00:18:45,467 --> 00:18:47,702
Nobody was ever good enough.
421
00:18:48,036 --> 00:18:50,304
How'd you feel about that?
422
00:18:50,339 --> 00:18:54,041
Again, just domination, control.
423
00:18:54,076 --> 00:18:58,012
Lyle, those are your father's actions.
424
00:18:58,046 --> 00:19:00,348
I'm interested in how you felt.
425
00:19:03,552 --> 00:19:04,719
Erik,
426
00:19:04,753 --> 00:19:06,821
did you understand my question?
427
00:19:07,890 --> 00:19:10,858
My stomach's upset.
428
00:19:10,893 --> 00:19:13,494
Do you want me to repeat my question?
429
00:19:17,099 --> 00:19:19,200
Dad was an atheist.
My parents only cared about
430
00:19:19,234 --> 00:19:22,503
the practical world.
431
00:19:22,538 --> 00:19:26,607
Do you think they spike
the food here with drugs?
432
00:19:29,478 --> 00:19:31,712
I don't think so.
433
00:19:31,747 --> 00:19:33,214
Does it worry you?
434
00:19:33,248 --> 00:19:36,717
No. Just curious.
435
00:19:42,291 --> 00:19:44,091
When you asked me to evaluate them,
436
00:19:44,126 --> 00:19:46,527
I completely accepted
the prosecution theory.
437
00:19:46,562 --> 00:19:49,230
Rich kids, pissed off
at their oppressive parents,
438
00:19:49,264 --> 00:19:50,798
killed them to get the money
439
00:19:50,832 --> 00:19:52,266
and go on with their lives.
440
00:19:52,301 --> 00:19:55,202
Except that kids
rarely kill their parents.
441
00:19:55,237 --> 00:19:57,872
Yes. And these two are
much sicker than I expected.
442
00:19:57,906 --> 00:19:59,740
Lyle's suspicious.
443
00:19:59,775 --> 00:20:01,309
Paranoid.
444
00:20:01,343 --> 00:20:03,945
Being in a room with him
is anxiety-provoking.
445
00:20:03,979 --> 00:20:05,079
But he's bright.
446
00:20:05,113 --> 00:20:06,480
Articulate.
447
00:20:06,515 --> 00:20:07,615
And Erik?
448
00:20:07,649 --> 00:20:08,749
A mess.
449
00:20:08,784 --> 00:20:10,117
He's all over the place.
450
00:20:10,152 --> 00:20:11,485
I'll never get the story out of him.
451
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,422
I might not get it from Lyle either,
but it'll be more pleasant.
452
00:20:14,456 --> 00:20:15,890
Well, it's not either/or, Bill.
453
00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:17,425
I need you to work with Erik, too.
454
00:20:17,459 --> 00:20:20,995
He's very fragile.
If I push too much,
455
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:22,330
he might have a psychotic break.
456
00:20:22,364 --> 00:20:25,333
Which is nothing compared to
choking him with cyanide gas,
457
00:20:25,367 --> 00:20:27,068
which is what the DA wants to do.
458
00:20:27,102 --> 00:20:29,437
We can't stop them without the truth.
459
00:20:29,471 --> 00:20:31,305
Erik is not as weak as you think.
460
00:20:31,340 --> 00:20:33,608
If you need to push him,
just hold your nose and do it.
461
00:20:33,642 --> 00:20:36,777
Anything to keep those boys
out of the gas chamber.
462
00:20:41,244 --> 00:20:43,601
Jerry used mind control on me.
463
00:20:43,636 --> 00:20:45,098
To get me to do things.
464
00:20:45,133 --> 00:20:46,278
By telling you you're in danger.
465
00:20:46,313 --> 00:20:48,169
No, with hypnosis.
466
00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:52,587
Jerry controlled me with
special words, like "thorns."
467
00:20:52,873 --> 00:20:55,842
He'd say "thorns" over and over again
to get me to agree to things.
468
00:20:55,876 --> 00:20:59,345
"Thorns, thorns,
thorns, thorns."
469
00:21:01,882 --> 00:21:04,510
Oh, look! Diane Sawyer!
470
00:21:04,512 --> 00:21:06,846
She called me. She wants
to have lunch with me.
471
00:21:06,881 --> 00:21:08,515
Absolutely not.
If you give her
472
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:10,216
an interview, you're out as a witness.
473
00:21:10,251 --> 00:21:12,185
You won't be famous anymore, Judalon.
474
00:21:12,219 --> 00:21:13,887
That's so unfair.
475
00:21:13,921 --> 00:21:15,522
She wants to put me on TV.
476
00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:21,060
You gotta see this.
477
00:21:21,094 --> 00:21:24,230
Coming in May:an NBC News Special.
478
00:21:24,264 --> 00:21:26,832
The murders that shocked the nation...
479
00:21:26,867 --> 00:21:30,036
ABC is also doing a special in May.
480
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:32,238
Of course.
It's the effin' May sweeps.
481
00:21:32,272 --> 00:21:35,508
We're in for
the full-tilt boogie now, kids.
482
00:21:37,945 --> 00:21:39,512
They're still out there.
483
00:21:41,415 --> 00:21:44,717
Boxer's.
484
00:21:44,751 --> 00:21:45,885
It's for you.
485
00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:47,954
It's Diane Sawyer.
486
00:21:52,593 --> 00:21:53,993
Your producer lied to me.
487
00:21:54,028 --> 00:21:56,763
Okay? He promised that
you wouldn't film or quote me,
488
00:21:56,797 --> 00:21:58,464
and now there's cameras
outside my work.
489
00:21:58,499 --> 00:22:00,099
You know those intrepid reporters.
490
00:22:00,134 --> 00:22:02,835
I have no intentionto deceive you, Donovan.
491
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:04,671
But you have a unique insightinto this story
492
00:22:04,705 --> 00:22:07,407
that people need to hear.
493
00:22:07,441 --> 00:22:10,610
Can Will come in to talk to you?
494
00:22:10,644 --> 00:22:13,446
Yeah. Yeah, okay.
I guess I can talk to them.
495
00:22:19,553 --> 00:22:21,120
Nobody says no to Diane.
496
00:22:21,155 --> 00:22:22,322
So how about it?
497
00:22:22,356 --> 00:22:23,856
Your 15 minutes of fame.
498
00:22:23,891 --> 00:22:26,259
Most people never even
get that, you know?
499
00:22:28,862 --> 00:22:30,763
I owe them the benefit of the doubt.
500
00:22:30,798 --> 00:22:32,665
I mean, why would they
kill their parents?
501
00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:34,600
They had great cars, great clothes.
502
00:22:34,635 --> 00:22:36,669
You couldn't ask for more.
503
00:22:36,704 --> 00:22:41,174
Okay. Let's turn
the camera off for a minute.
504
00:22:41,208 --> 00:22:43,176
Glenn, a source told us
there's a taped confession
505
00:22:43,210 --> 00:22:45,445
Lyle and Erik made to their therapist.
506
00:22:48,215 --> 00:22:50,850
Okay...
507
00:22:50,884 --> 00:22:53,353
Jesus...
508
00:22:53,387 --> 00:22:55,188
It's just for a little while.
509
00:22:55,222 --> 00:22:56,823
ABC wants to film your cells.
510
00:22:56,857 --> 00:22:58,725
What? Can they do that?
511
00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:01,660
Lyle, I have, like, religious stuff
in there. It's private.
512
00:23:01,662 --> 00:23:03,129
I know. Deputy,
513
00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:05,131
can we please at least
cover our personal items?
514
00:23:05,165 --> 00:23:06,632
Make it quick.
515
00:23:32,893 --> 00:23:35,061
Hang in there, little brother.
516
00:23:40,534 --> 00:23:41,667
I know
517
00:23:41,702 --> 00:23:43,770
Reiner gave ABC permission.
518
00:23:43,804 --> 00:23:46,539
What? Because they're
human beings, Elliott.
519
00:23:46,573 --> 00:23:48,241
Those cells are their homes.
520
00:23:48,275 --> 00:23:52,178
What is with you people?
521
00:23:52,212 --> 00:23:53,780
You'll like this.
522
00:23:53,814 --> 00:23:55,848
Attorneys for the media
are petitioning the court
523
00:23:55,883 --> 00:23:58,051
to have the autopsy reports released.
524
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,688
_
525
00:24:02,723 --> 00:24:04,957
Those reports show everything.
526
00:24:04,992 --> 00:24:06,893
It's not decent.
527
00:24:06,927 --> 00:24:08,928
My mom, she was a private person.
528
00:24:08,962 --> 00:24:13,266
I know it's hard, Lyle,
but there's nothing you can do.
529
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:14,867
So let Leslie and me do the worrying
530
00:24:14,902 --> 00:24:18,704
and we'll fight it in the hearing.
531
00:24:18,739 --> 00:24:21,874
My daughter hates when I do that.
532
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:24,744
Tell her she has no power
to change what's bothering her.
533
00:24:24,778 --> 00:24:26,546
Well, how old is she?
534
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:28,314
She's three.
535
00:24:28,348 --> 00:24:29,949
So she really has no power.
536
00:24:29,983 --> 00:24:32,285
Well, she thinks she does.
537
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:33,753
She wants a baby brother,
538
00:24:33,787 --> 00:24:35,221
and I've told her
that is not happening.
539
00:24:35,255 --> 00:24:37,290
Oh, no, you should give her one.
540
00:24:37,324 --> 00:24:39,425
Little brothers are great.
541
00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:41,794
Like Erik?
542
00:24:41,829 --> 00:24:44,230
Were you excited
when your mom brought him home?
543
00:24:44,264 --> 00:24:46,666
Yeah, I was so happy.
544
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,035
I wasn't alone anymore.
545
00:24:53,807 --> 00:24:57,343
These things always run late.
546
00:24:57,377 --> 00:25:00,913
Maybe you noticed we lawyers
like to hear ourselves talk.
547
00:25:04,017 --> 00:25:07,153
Jerry Chaleff told me
you wanted to be an actor.
548
00:25:07,187 --> 00:25:08,821
Mm, no.
549
00:25:08,856 --> 00:25:12,425
I mean, I did, but no,
my parents made me stop.
550
00:25:12,459 --> 00:25:15,161
That didn't make you angry?
551
00:25:15,195 --> 00:25:16,996
I wasn't angry.
552
00:25:17,030 --> 00:25:18,698
I was sad.
553
00:25:18,732 --> 00:25:20,266
I liked it.
554
00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:24,137
Being somebody else.
Disappearing.
555
00:25:25,472 --> 00:25:27,940
When did you get interested in acting?
556
00:25:27,975 --> 00:25:32,011
Uh, when we lived in Calabasas.
557
00:25:32,045 --> 00:25:34,981
I bet you wanted to disappear then.
558
00:25:35,015 --> 00:25:38,117
Having to take the blame for Lyle
for all those burglaries.
559
00:25:38,152 --> 00:25:40,353
No, that was just common sense.
560
00:25:40,387 --> 00:25:41,888
How so?
561
00:25:41,922 --> 00:25:45,458
Lyle's like...
562
00:25:45,492 --> 00:25:47,160
a genius IQ.
563
00:25:47,194 --> 00:25:50,663
I mean, people are drawn to him
like a magnet.
564
00:25:50,697 --> 00:25:54,467
He was the one who had
a shot at something really big.
565
00:25:54,501 --> 00:25:57,637
Senator, Dad said.
Maybe even president.
566
00:25:57,671 --> 00:26:00,072
Not like me. I'm...
567
00:26:00,107 --> 00:26:02,508
I don't know.
I'm not that important.
568
00:26:10,951 --> 00:26:14,086
Judge Albracht authorized
the release of the autopsy reports.
569
00:26:14,121 --> 00:26:15,721
This is a victory
for my clients in the media,
570
00:26:15,756 --> 00:26:17,657
but more importantly, it's a victory
571
00:26:17,691 --> 00:26:19,192
for the public's right to know.
572
00:26:19,226 --> 00:26:20,560
The district attorney fully supported
573
00:26:20,594 --> 00:26:22,361
Mr. Jacobi's motion.
574
00:26:22,396 --> 00:26:24,697
In a free society,
the media has a right
575
00:26:24,731 --> 00:26:28,234
to see the entire Menendez file.
576
00:26:28,268 --> 00:26:30,770
Leslie, what about
the public's right to know?
577
00:26:30,804 --> 00:26:32,338
This is not about the public.
578
00:26:32,372 --> 00:26:34,840
This is about ratings
for Mr. Jacobi's clients.
579
00:26:34,875 --> 00:26:37,009
The DA supported releasing the files.
580
00:26:37,044 --> 00:26:38,844
Of course!
Mr. Reiner wants to dump
581
00:26:38,879 --> 00:26:40,613
as much poison as possible
into the jury pool.
582
00:26:40,647 --> 00:26:42,181
Mr. Reiner knows
583
00:26:42,216 --> 00:26:44,016
my clients cannot defend
themselves on television.
584
00:26:44,051 --> 00:26:45,751
He doesn't care about a fair trial.
585
00:26:45,786 --> 00:26:47,787
Okay? Thanks.
586
00:26:47,821 --> 00:26:49,755
They take away my son's dignity!
587
00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:51,357
Give us some room, please.
588
00:26:51,391 --> 00:26:52,925
That's okay, Maria,
we're going to appeal.
589
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,560
Leslie! Leslie!
You're going to appeal?
590
00:26:54,595 --> 00:26:56,629
Ms. Menendez, how do you feel
about your grandsons?
591
00:26:56,663 --> 00:26:58,331
Is this what you want?Is it?
592
00:27:05,777 --> 00:27:09,267
This is ABC Primetime,with Diane Sawyer.
593
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:11,136
The city of Beverly Hills
594
00:27:11,171 --> 00:27:14,306
has been rocked by a dramaat once riveting and chilling.
595
00:27:14,341 --> 00:27:16,241
Nearly a year ago...
596
00:27:16,276 --> 00:27:18,177
But there's another personthat sources say
597
00:27:18,211 --> 00:27:21,914
might link the brothersto the murder weapons.
598
00:27:21,948 --> 00:27:24,016
This is Donovan Goodreau.
599
00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:25,517
Aw, dude, you're famous!
600
00:27:27,287 --> 00:27:29,154
Shotguns were purchased in San Diego
601
00:27:29,189 --> 00:27:31,824
using his California driver's license.
602
00:27:31,858 --> 00:27:34,793
Goodreau told policehis license was missing,
603
00:27:34,828 --> 00:27:37,663
possibly left in the dormhe used to share
604
00:27:37,697 --> 00:27:39,331
with Lyle Menendez.
605
00:27:39,366 --> 00:27:41,800
Other crucial evidence:
606
00:27:41,835 --> 00:27:43,669
Notes from therapy sessions were found
607
00:27:43,703 --> 00:27:46,005
at the home of Erik'sBeverly Hills therapist,
608
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:47,973
Dr. Jerome Oziel.
609
00:27:48,008 --> 00:27:51,710
A therapist is likea priest or minister,
610
00:27:51,745 --> 00:27:54,179
in that people come in and confess.
611
00:27:54,214 --> 00:27:55,814
But also, they look for someone
612
00:27:55,849 --> 00:27:57,783
to help them workthrough their problems.
613
00:27:57,817 --> 00:28:00,352
Like any therapist,I carry with me at all times
614
00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:03,789
hundreds, if not thousands,of people's secrets.
615
00:28:03,823 --> 00:28:06,692
And it's a sacred obligationto preserve those secrets,
616
00:28:06,726 --> 00:28:10,229
unless the law mandates otherwise.
617
00:28:10,263 --> 00:28:13,432
For now, the boys who once livedin a mansion in Beverly Hills
618
00:28:13,467 --> 00:28:17,169
live in these cellsin Los Angeles County Jail.
619
00:28:17,204 --> 00:28:19,171
Hard as it is to believe
620
00:28:19,206 --> 00:28:21,040
children would killtheir parents for money,
621
00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:23,175
District Attorney Ira Reiner
622
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:25,845
believes moneyis only part of the puzzle.
623
00:28:25,879 --> 00:28:27,947
People kill for money, Diane,
624
00:28:27,981 --> 00:28:29,682
but mostly, they kill for hatred.
625
00:28:29,716 --> 00:28:31,317
But how could these parents
626
00:28:31,351 --> 00:28:35,354
create that kind of hatredin these boys?
627
00:28:35,388 --> 00:28:38,891
I have no idea.Who can understand that?
628
00:28:38,925 --> 00:28:40,192
I don't.
629
00:28:40,227 --> 00:28:41,894
You and me both, Ira.
630
00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:44,029
You and me both.
631
00:28:44,064 --> 00:28:46,699
Cemetery in Princeton.
632
00:28:46,733 --> 00:28:48,534
Everything changes now.
633
00:28:48,568 --> 00:28:50,069
They did it.
634
00:28:50,103 --> 00:28:52,371
There's still things
that we don't know.
635
00:28:52,405 --> 00:28:53,873
They used their buddy's license
636
00:28:53,907 --> 00:28:55,641
to buy shotguns.
637
00:28:55,675 --> 00:28:57,543
We don't want
any more money from the estate
638
00:28:57,577 --> 00:28:59,078
going to their defense.
639
00:28:59,112 --> 00:29:00,813
That's not your decision.
640
00:29:00,847 --> 00:29:02,882
They murdered my sister.
641
00:29:02,916 --> 00:29:04,216
- First of all...
- And if they get
642
00:29:04,251 --> 00:29:05,885
the death penalty?
643
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:08,854
Your sister and my brother
are part of those boys.
644
00:29:08,889 --> 00:29:10,756
You want them killed again?
645
00:29:16,091 --> 00:29:18,863
_
646
00:29:18,865 --> 00:29:20,399
Jerry asked me to listen in
647
00:29:20,433 --> 00:29:22,401
from the waiting room
in case things got out of hand
648
00:29:22,435 --> 00:29:23,736
with Erik and Lyle.
649
00:29:23,770 --> 00:29:25,871
I heard Lyle threaten Jerry.
650
00:29:25,906 --> 00:29:27,339
He said they would kill him
651
00:29:27,374 --> 00:29:29,408
to keep him from going to the police.
652
00:29:29,442 --> 00:29:32,478
Later, Jerry told me everything.
653
00:29:37,450 --> 00:29:40,920
You hear conversations
in a soundproof office
654
00:29:40,954 --> 00:29:44,523
through two sets of padded doors?
655
00:29:44,558 --> 00:29:48,227
You hear dog whistles too, Miss Smyth?
656
00:29:48,261 --> 00:29:49,895
I thought this was about
Jerry's tapes.
657
00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:51,263
It is.
658
00:29:51,298 --> 00:29:54,133
Go ahead, Ms. Abramson.
659
00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:57,269
So you said that Dr. Oziel
told you everything
660
00:29:57,304 --> 00:29:59,204
about his session with Erik and Lyle.
661
00:29:59,239 --> 00:30:00,573
Was he in the habit
662
00:30:00,607 --> 00:30:02,107
of sharing his patients' confidences?
663
00:30:02,142 --> 00:30:04,543
Yeah, sure.
I was his lover.
664
00:30:04,578 --> 00:30:07,279
He told me what his sex therapy
patients were into,
665
00:30:07,314 --> 00:30:09,248
especially the ladies.
666
00:30:09,282 --> 00:30:11,283
He wanted a threesome.
667
00:30:11,318 --> 00:30:15,988
Judge, please tell her to stop
flashing her impressive bosom at you.
668
00:30:16,022 --> 00:30:19,058
Okay...
669
00:30:19,092 --> 00:30:20,759
I want to say that
670
00:30:20,794 --> 00:30:25,297
I have limited control
over my words and actions right now.
671
00:30:25,332 --> 00:30:27,800
Jerry Oziel is using
mind control on me.
672
00:30:27,834 --> 00:30:31,103
He's out in the hallway,
using special words.
673
00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:36,175
No more questions.
674
00:30:42,115 --> 00:30:43,649
And when Erik Menendez
675
00:30:43,683 --> 00:30:47,753
came into your office,
where was Judalon Smyth?
676
00:30:47,787 --> 00:30:49,321
Before I answer, Your Honor,
677
00:30:49,356 --> 00:30:51,357
this hearing is closed
to the press, isn't it?
678
00:30:51,391 --> 00:30:55,260
Yes, it is, Doctor.
679
00:30:55,295 --> 00:30:59,198
I had arranged to have Judalon
sit in the waiting room.
680
00:30:59,232 --> 00:31:00,466
Lying such...
681
00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:03,369
I was worried about what Erik
and his brother might do.
682
00:31:03,403 --> 00:31:05,104
And afterwards, did you
683
00:31:05,138 --> 00:31:06,972
share details of the session
with Miss Smyth?
684
00:31:07,007 --> 00:31:10,509
Yes, for her safety.
She was at risk; We both were.
685
00:31:10,543 --> 00:31:12,411
As I told you, Lyle had threatened me.
686
00:31:19,719 --> 00:31:21,353
If you were so afraid
687
00:31:21,388 --> 00:31:23,689
after Lyle wished you "Good luck,"
688
00:31:23,723 --> 00:31:26,358
why didn't you go home
to protect your wife and kids
689
00:31:26,393 --> 00:31:28,460
instead of going to boink
your mistress?
690
00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:31,964
I was worried that Lyle and Erik
might follow me home to my family.
691
00:31:31,998 --> 00:31:34,967
But you had no problem
leading them to your mistress.
692
00:31:35,001 --> 00:31:37,036
How gallant of you.
693
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:38,470
Now, Dr. Oziel,
694
00:31:38,505 --> 00:31:39,872
didn't you tell Ms. Lansing
and me
695
00:31:39,906 --> 00:31:41,340
a few weeks ago that
696
00:31:41,374 --> 00:31:45,377
Ms. Smyth was not
in your waiting room?
697
00:31:45,412 --> 00:31:47,513
You must have misunderstood me.
698
00:31:47,547 --> 00:31:49,648
Well, let me be sure
I understand you now.
699
00:31:49,683 --> 00:31:51,717
So you just testified
that you violated
700
00:31:51,751 --> 00:31:54,053
the doctor-patient privilege
by telling Judalon
701
00:31:54,087 --> 00:31:55,487
about your sessions with Erik.
702
00:31:55,522 --> 00:31:57,222
Only because of the threats.
703
00:31:57,257 --> 00:31:59,191
She testified that you
routinely violated
704
00:31:59,225 --> 00:32:01,026
that privilege, telling her about
705
00:32:01,061 --> 00:32:03,062
- your sex therapy patients...
- No, that's a lie.
706
00:32:03,096 --> 00:32:06,265
The privilege is a sacred bond
between me and my patients.
707
00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:09,334
Well, wasn't your license
suspended in 1986
708
00:32:09,369 --> 00:32:10,936
for abusing that sacred bond?
709
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:12,538
A temporary suspension.
710
00:32:12,572 --> 00:32:14,673
I have an affidavit
from a former patient
711
00:32:14,708 --> 00:32:16,408
you had an affair with
and tried to strangle
712
00:32:16,443 --> 00:32:18,243
with a phone cord.
713
00:32:18,278 --> 00:32:19,845
Now, was that a sacred phone cord?
714
00:32:19,879 --> 00:32:21,280
Lies. All lies.
715
00:32:21,314 --> 00:32:22,715
These alleged threats...
716
00:32:22,749 --> 00:32:25,350
Those are the lies
717
00:32:25,385 --> 00:32:27,386
that you made up to scare Judalon,
718
00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:29,722
to manipulate her.
719
00:32:29,756 --> 00:32:33,926
You don't help people, Doctor.
You make them sicker.
720
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:46,572
The judge will render a decision
721
00:32:46,606 --> 00:32:50,142
in a couple weeks.
Fingers crossed.
722
00:32:50,176 --> 00:32:52,211
My colleagues at the paper
aren't too happy
723
00:32:52,245 --> 00:32:53,979
about the hearings being closed.
724
00:32:54,013 --> 00:32:55,647
Well, tough.
725
00:32:55,682 --> 00:32:59,451
That's what I told them you'd say.
726
00:32:59,486 --> 00:33:01,286
You know,
727
00:33:01,321 --> 00:33:03,055
maybe later this year,
728
00:33:03,089 --> 00:33:05,624
for sure before the adoption,
729
00:33:05,658 --> 00:33:09,328
I'd like to take you
to visit the old sod.
730
00:33:09,362 --> 00:33:10,796
We could pick up a car in Dublin,
731
00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:12,865
head out to Tullamore.
732
00:33:14,668 --> 00:33:16,602
Les...
733
00:33:16,636 --> 00:33:18,037
We don't have to go,
734
00:33:18,071 --> 00:33:19,438
but you need to find some way
735
00:33:19,472 --> 00:33:20,973
to disconnect from all this.
736
00:33:21,007 --> 00:33:22,441
Even for a week.
737
00:33:22,475 --> 00:33:23,943
Oh, I know, I know.
I want to go.
738
00:33:23,977 --> 00:33:25,778
Oh, look.
739
00:33:25,812 --> 00:33:28,314
In a stunning rebuketo District Attorney Reiner,
740
00:33:28,348 --> 00:33:30,449
Judge Weisberg declared a mistrial
741
00:33:30,483 --> 00:33:32,117
after the jury deadlocked
742
00:33:32,152 --> 00:33:33,819
in the retrial of Raymond Buckey
743
00:33:33,853 --> 00:33:36,922
in the McMartin Preschoolmolestation case.
744
00:33:36,957 --> 00:33:39,091
Wow. How many years
did that take?
745
00:33:39,125 --> 00:33:42,962
Seven years and $15 million.
746
00:33:42,996 --> 00:33:44,997
Oh, this is not good.
747
00:33:45,031 --> 00:33:46,966
This is gonna rebound on us.
748
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,734
Buckey was cleared...
749
00:33:48,768 --> 00:33:51,136
_
750
00:33:51,171 --> 00:33:52,304
Most of the jury thought
751
00:33:52,339 --> 00:33:55,074
the kids had been coached
to say they'd been molested.
752
00:33:55,108 --> 00:33:58,143
Weisberg lost control, that's what.
753
00:33:58,178 --> 00:34:01,413
Okay, Pam, you're back
on Menendez, first chair.
754
00:34:01,448 --> 00:34:03,115
But what about Ray Buckey?
755
00:34:03,149 --> 00:34:05,184
Forget him.
The focus is Menendez.
756
00:34:05,218 --> 00:34:06,819
Their whole defense team is women.
757
00:34:06,853 --> 00:34:08,621
The jury will see them
fawning over these boys,
758
00:34:08,655 --> 00:34:10,155
they'll think
"How bad can they be?"
759
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:11,323
We're not ceding that ground.
760
00:34:11,358 --> 00:34:14,493
Pam will be in charge.
761
00:34:15,962 --> 00:34:17,630
Can't believe he demoted me.
762
00:34:17,664 --> 00:34:20,933
Time to show
you're a team player, Elliott.
763
00:34:20,967 --> 00:34:22,835
From October 31st
764
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:24,503
to December of 1989,
765
00:34:24,537 --> 00:34:27,339
there were a series of sessions
between Dr. Oziel
766
00:34:27,374 --> 00:34:30,042
and the defendants
concerning their mental health
767
00:34:30,076 --> 00:34:31,977
after the murder of their parents.
768
00:34:32,012 --> 00:34:35,347
There were audio notes
by Dr. Oziel
769
00:34:35,382 --> 00:34:38,517
for the October 31st and
November 2nd sessions,
770
00:34:38,551 --> 00:34:41,687
and a recording of a session
on December 11th.
771
00:34:41,721 --> 00:34:44,323
I have ruled that
none of these communications
772
00:34:44,357 --> 00:34:46,525
are privileged.
773
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:48,661
Dr. Oziel had reasonable cause
to believe
774
00:34:48,695 --> 00:34:50,829
that the brothers constituted a threat
775
00:34:50,864 --> 00:34:53,565
and that it was necessary
to disclose those communications
776
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,868
to prevent the threat and danger.
777
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,808
We're gonna fight this, Erik.
Do not lose hope.
778
00:35:17,090 --> 00:35:18,524
The ruling means the DA
779
00:35:18,558 --> 00:35:20,559
can use the tapes
against Erik and Lyle.
780
00:35:20,593 --> 00:35:21,760
Will you appeal?
781
00:35:21,795 --> 00:35:23,929
- What do you think?
- On what grounds?
782
00:35:23,963 --> 00:35:26,398
That it's wrong.
783
00:35:48,189 --> 00:35:49,589
Where are you going, Uncle Jose?
784
00:35:49,624 --> 00:35:51,058
I'm bored.
785
00:35:51,092 --> 00:35:52,559
I want to do something.
786
00:35:52,593 --> 00:35:54,061
Stay in Erik's room, Andy.
787
00:35:54,095 --> 00:35:55,362
We're just going to play a game.
788
00:35:55,396 --> 00:35:57,831
I want to play.
789
00:35:57,865 --> 00:35:59,533
I want to play too.
790
00:35:59,567 --> 00:36:02,069
I want to play!
791
00:36:02,103 --> 00:36:03,403
I want to play too!
792
00:36:03,438 --> 00:36:04,738
Let me in!
793
00:36:08,443 --> 00:36:10,177
It's your fault.
794
00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:12,746
Dad...
795
00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:15,048
You're stupid.
796
00:36:15,083 --> 00:36:16,950
No, Dad, don't say that.
797
00:36:19,887 --> 00:36:21,455
Where are you?
798
00:36:21,489 --> 00:36:23,557
You're not worthy of being a Menendez.
799
00:36:23,591 --> 00:36:25,892
Stop.
800
00:36:31,299 --> 00:36:33,433
I'm not getting anywhere with Lyle.
801
00:36:33,468 --> 00:36:36,603
But Erik...
He talks about this nightmare.
802
00:36:36,637 --> 00:36:39,573
Come right up to the edge
of a breakthrough and...
803
00:36:39,607 --> 00:36:40,874
then he pulls back.
804
00:36:40,908 --> 00:36:42,909
Same thing over and over again.
805
00:36:42,944 --> 00:36:45,379
There's got to be more to that family.
806
00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:46,780
Yes, I agree, but some people
go to their graves
807
00:36:46,814 --> 00:36:48,048
with their secrets.
808
00:36:48,082 --> 00:36:49,783
You have to be ready for that.
809
00:36:49,817 --> 00:36:51,818
Is a plea bargain not an option?
810
00:36:51,853 --> 00:36:55,956
Yep, and I am open to anything
that keeps those boys off death row.
811
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:58,458
I think I'm going crazy.
812
00:36:58,493 --> 00:37:01,895
I hear my father's voice
at night, in my cell.
813
00:37:01,929 --> 00:37:04,297
Is the voice in your head?
814
00:37:04,332 --> 00:37:05,732
No.
815
00:37:05,767 --> 00:37:08,001
It's like he's next to me,
like a ghost.
816
00:37:08,035 --> 00:37:11,238
I get up, and I look for him.
817
00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:13,006
Have you had any more nightmares
818
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,475
with the green face
since we last talked?
819
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:19,112
Yes.
820
00:37:19,147 --> 00:37:22,149
Something doesn't make sense.
821
00:37:22,183 --> 00:37:24,818
When I climb the roof,
822
00:37:24,852 --> 00:37:29,456
to get to my mother,
it's so she'll help me.
823
00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:31,958
But she never helped me with Dad.
824
00:37:31,993 --> 00:37:34,161
She always sided with him.
825
00:37:34,195 --> 00:37:37,197
Did she know you had nightmares?
826
00:37:37,231 --> 00:37:39,332
Yes.
827
00:37:39,367 --> 00:37:43,703
She would put me in a cold shower.
828
00:37:43,738 --> 00:37:45,038
I would want to tell her things,
829
00:37:45,072 --> 00:37:47,007
but I couldn't.
830
00:37:47,041 --> 00:37:48,508
What did you want to tell her?
831
00:37:48,543 --> 00:37:52,846
I wanted...
832
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,782
I wanted her to...
833
00:37:58,085 --> 00:38:01,521
I wanted her to make
the nightmares stop.
834
00:38:01,556 --> 00:38:03,190
How could she do that?
835
00:38:03,224 --> 00:38:06,359
I can't talk anymore.
836
00:38:07,995 --> 00:38:10,530
I need to be quiet.
837
00:38:10,565 --> 00:38:13,300
I need to read my Bible.
838
00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:15,035
Okay.
839
00:38:17,572 --> 00:38:21,541
Erik, what if I could
make the nightmares stop?
840
00:38:21,576 --> 00:38:25,712
Your mother couldn't,
but I think I can.
841
00:38:25,746 --> 00:38:27,881
Will you let me?
842
00:38:34,422 --> 00:38:37,057
I called you as soon as I was sure.
843
00:38:37,091 --> 00:38:39,926
This was two days ago.
844
00:38:39,961 --> 00:38:42,762
Erik finally told me the green face.
845
00:38:56,744 --> 00:38:59,045
When I was five or six,
846
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,748
Dad would massage my penis.
847
00:39:01,782 --> 00:39:04,351
You know? With his mouth.
848
00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:07,721
He said he loved me.
849
00:39:07,755 --> 00:39:10,924
When I got older,he had me do oral sex on him.
850
00:39:10,958 --> 00:39:14,194
And I did it, because...
851
00:39:14,228 --> 00:39:16,897
Two years ago,he threatened me with a knife,
852
00:39:16,931 --> 00:39:20,767
because I said I didn't want tohave sex anymore.
853
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:24,638
Yesterday, he told me,
when he turned 11,
854
00:39:24,672 --> 00:39:26,473
his father started raping him.
855
00:39:26,507 --> 00:39:28,475
He's a kid who claims he hears voices.
856
00:39:28,509 --> 00:39:30,277
When someone tells me
they hear a voice,
857
00:39:30,311 --> 00:39:32,145
I ask if the voice is in their head.
858
00:39:32,179 --> 00:39:34,114
The fakers always say it is.
859
00:39:34,148 --> 00:39:37,217
The people telling the truth
say the voice comes from outside them.
860
00:39:37,251 --> 00:39:38,585
Erik said it was as if
861
00:39:38,619 --> 00:39:40,887
his father was in the room with him.
862
00:39:40,922 --> 00:39:42,322
I believe him.
863
00:39:42,356 --> 00:39:44,124
Has Lyle said anything about abuse?
864
00:39:44,158 --> 00:39:45,992
No, I've hit a wall with Lyle.
865
00:39:46,027 --> 00:39:48,962
I've asked a colleague, John Conte,
to talk to him.
866
00:39:48,996 --> 00:39:51,097
He specializes in child abuse.
867
00:39:51,132 --> 00:39:54,467
Okay. Thanks, Doc.
868
00:40:01,175 --> 00:40:03,276
Oh, I trust Vicary's judgment.
869
00:40:03,311 --> 00:40:06,146
If Erik was abused
for most of his life,
870
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:07,581
where was his mother?
871
00:40:07,615 --> 00:40:09,015
Where was the rest of his family?
872
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:10,750
Hard to picture
a 17-year-old...
873
00:40:10,785 --> 00:40:12,986
I mean, Erik's an athlete.
He's no pushover.
874
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:14,621
And even if it's true,
875
00:40:14,655 --> 00:40:16,623
what does it have to do
with the murders?
876
00:40:16,657 --> 00:40:19,993
I know you see a defense here,
Leslie, but I'm not so sure.
877
00:40:20,027 --> 00:40:22,662
First, we need corroboration.
878
00:40:22,697 --> 00:40:25,332
We also need to know more
about this family.
879
00:40:25,366 --> 00:40:26,833
The evidence better be convincing,
880
00:40:26,867 --> 00:40:28,868
because the image this family has...
881
00:40:28,903 --> 00:40:30,437
the picture-perfect smiles...
882
00:40:30,471 --> 00:40:33,206
sex abuse is going to be
a tall leap for a jury.
883
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,775
It's a tall leap for me.
884
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:38,111
You really believe
what Erik said, Leslie?
885
00:40:38,145 --> 00:40:40,113
As a mother and a human being,
886
00:40:40,147 --> 00:40:41,948
I believe it.
887
00:40:41,983 --> 00:40:44,117
As a lawyer, I'll believe it
when we can prove it.
888
00:40:44,151 --> 00:40:45,885
So let's find the proof.
889
00:40:51,296 --> 00:40:54,720
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