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One, two, three,
four, five, six...
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Six feet away!
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can you come over here and visit?
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I don't really have
happy dreams...
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Yeah.
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I have to fill out
this paperwork for my kids.
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They want to medicate them.
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I alone am fighting for
the well-being
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and the safety and security
of my children.
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Then on top of that, I'm also
doing my work for this job
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that I have just got,
working with troubled youth.
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So the fight continues on.
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I started learning how to love
at the age of 22 years old.
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You don't operate the phone!
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Hey, I gave Yay'veontay the task
to operate the phone.
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So may you guys
please allow him to do it?
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I'm gonna...
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Hey, one of you guys
take the phone and go outside.
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Alright...
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Oww!
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You got your shoes on?
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Mhm!
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Alright.
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Go outside, like by the front
door, and let's see
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how the reception is
right there.
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I'm outside.
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Manieepoo!
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What's the deal, Mama?
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Nothing.
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The video works
so much better with you outside.
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- Manieepoo?
- Huh?
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Hey, Maniee, stay right there
where the reception is good.
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Manieepoo?
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My three children were separated
in all different foster homes.
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My children's mother and myself
went through a hard break-up and
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we both could have conducted
ourselves in a better fashion.
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And being that we didn't,
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it resulted in our children
being taken from our custody
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by the Department of Children
and Family Services.
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The current pandemic
has not affected
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my current arrangements
for visitation.
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Where are you?
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I'm not too far from you guys.
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Oh, can you come?
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Hmmm...
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If it's okay with your Auntie.
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I may be over there
a little later.
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I am not able
to come over there today but...
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Hey look, but on a more
serious note,
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if you can, I really need you
to pay attention
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to what I'm about to tell you.
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Wasn't there
a shooting over there?
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Like yesterday or
the night before last?
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If you're outside, right?
And you hear gunshots,
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what are you supposed to do?
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- Look?
- No...
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- Run?
- No.
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- In back under a car
- No. No. No.
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You get down, you prone out.
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You get as close to the earth
as you can.
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You know why I'm telling
you this, right?
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See that dog right there, that dog.
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What?
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The dog!
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- You don't see that dog?
- I don't want...
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Okay, lemme see the dog.
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If you had super powers, Mama,
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what super powers
would you want?
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To fly!
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Woo!
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There we go!
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I wanna be extremely fast...
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I had a dream that I...
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I chose that I could just
run to dad every...
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My visitation with my children
is at least once a week,
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for whatever amount of hours
the caretaker allows.
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For seven years,
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I have been fighting tooth
and nail to regain custody.
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I feel like I'm incomplete.
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Sometimes, I get so deep into
my depression
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that I just wanna be alone,
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I don't want to interact
with people.
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It's a fight.
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Yeah, it's a fight.
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the biggest fight of my life.
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Six feet away!
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One, two, three,
four, five, six...
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Dad, when's the next time
we go to court?
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We're supposed
to go to court this month,
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the Covid-19 pandemic,
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we was unable to go to court.
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So it can be next week,
it can be next month,
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or it can be next year.
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I wanna be the judge.
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So, okay, if you wanna be
the judge, that's magnificent.
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Families going through what
we going through,
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you can be able
to better assist them
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because you went
through it, right?
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First I'm gonna work as
a dentist for a little bit then
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I'm gonna quit it...
and be a judge.
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Well, I feel like
we should discuss that...
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- a little bit more...
- Six feet away!
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Six feet away.
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I dream about my kids, yeah.
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And when I dream about my kids,
it's just like...
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things as simple as
having a meal together.
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You want some?
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Yeah, just gimme a bite.
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It's pepperoni.
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Conversations,
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being in the living room,
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watching TV...
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The things that a lot of
people take for granted.
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Those are daydreams.
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Those aren't the physical dreams
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that I dream
when I lay down at night,
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and try to sleep.
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I suffer from PTSD.
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My dreams is rooted
in the hardships that
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God has blessed me
so far to escape.
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Being homeless as a child,
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being beaten,
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being neglected, you know?
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Some nights I don't sleep.
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Hey, what's going on,
Yay'veontay?
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Good, where you at?
Why won't you come?
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You guys are my children,
of course I'm gonna be there.
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What's up, Dad?
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What's going on, brother?
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You look real nice
with your glasses.
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Why didn't you put
your bow on?
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Why didn't you put it
right here?
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Like that?
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Dang! I forgot about that...
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You forgot?
Wait, come here!
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Can I take a picture of you?
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I'm happy that my children
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were finally able to be placed
in the same residence,
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and placed in the care
of family members.
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We're hopeful that,
on the next court date,
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They're gonna liberalize my visits.
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I'll be able to go get my kids,
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and spend about
5 hours with them
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take 'em wherever
I want to take 'em,
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and at the end of that 5 hours,
drop them back off.
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Is you crying?
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Say no.
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- Cause you're a big man?
- Yeah.
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Papa, is you a big man?
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Yes, y'all is.
Then you got
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Yay'veontay!
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Yay'veontay, right there, man!
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Say cheese.
Don't cry, okay?
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Stop crying.
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Wipe your face.
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You're a big girl.
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Daddy gonna come back
and see you, okay?
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Don't cry.
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You're gonna be alright.
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Sometimes, I'm not capable
of physically
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reaching out
and touching my kids,
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but spiritually,
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we're connected and
they know their father is there.
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Periodically,
I dream about my kids,
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us flying...
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We'll all be together, holding
hands, flying, laughing...
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Swimming, without having
to come up for air...
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Being able to be free,
and defy the limitations
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that the physical put on us.
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These dreams bring me peace.
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Yeah, peace, peace.
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My love, my sunshine, my dear...
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Is this recording? No?
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Is this recording?
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Hi Laura...
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So you asked me
to start sending memos about
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this ongoing investigation.
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Uhmm...
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So like this...
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We were watching the news about
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the spread of
surveillance technology
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for Corona tracing.
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So, the way that kind
of global viral emergency
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is used to roll out
the surveillance projects
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in different parts of the world.
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One company name
was always there...
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NSO Group.
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So, we already wanted
for a long time
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to start an investigation
on the NSO
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NSO software was used to target
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our colleagues and friends.
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We know that you know
what it feels to be surveilled,
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that surveillance is not only
a breach of privacy,
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that it is violence,
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that it does things to you,
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that things start to happen
to you in the real world...
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And then it spreads across
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your network of
friends, colleagues,
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and stakeholders or clients...
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And that being targeted
feels like terror.
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If I'm an organization paying
a lot of money
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for each targeting hack,
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the right thing is
to target a person
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at the center of the network.
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Carmen is the head person
of the matrix.
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So how can you imagine, Nathan,
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a way of visualizing
something like that?
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Uhmm...
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There is a way to illustrate it
through the events.
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Anything that's a sphere
is an attack.
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It means that
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this person on the timeline
has been directly targeted
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by that act of violence.
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So, it might be a digital act
of violence
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or a physical act of violence,
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but it's a direct attack
on that person.
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When Carmen was first targeted,
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if she clicked on that,
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it's quite possible
they gained access
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to all the conversations
she was having
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with all of the members
of her team.
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So, from Carmen, and
they attack everybody else.
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And then in 2016, that's when
five subjects raid her office.
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Hola Carmen!
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I am the lead researcher
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on this project
with Forensic Architecture.
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We're focusing specifically on
the targeted digital violence of
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the Israeli cyber weapons
manufacturer, NSO Group,
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and the use of Pegasus
around the world.
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You are one of...
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the first persons
that was documented
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by Citizen Lab as being
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targeted using Pegasus.
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Can you describe
what you remember
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as the first message
you received?
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The hacks?
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Hi Laura, I hope you're okay...
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So last night,
I had horrible dreams.
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I dreamt that
I was being interrogated,
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and I woke up with extreme
anxiety and in cold sweats,
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and the first thought
that came to my mind was,
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"Are we making a huge mistake?"
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I don't want to get
too paranoid,
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but I'm also thinking
at the same time
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that we've never had
to come across
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a company like the NSO group
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They're very lawsuit happy,
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they go after people,
they intimidate...
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Every single person
we've spoken to so far,
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whether they're journalists,
lawyers suing them, researchers,
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or people who've been targeted,
they're all telling us
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this company tries to
intimidate, to scare,
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to make your life hell,
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just so that you go away.
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As an Arab,
we have interest in
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what is going on
in the Arab world.
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it's like a personal matter
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as well as a legal matter.
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This is not the first time
that we've been targeted
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or that we were
under surveillance
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by the Indian state.
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A lot of my contacts,
when I told them,
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look this is happening to me,
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They said, "We always presumed
this would happen to you
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"so don't worry,
we all prepared for it.
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"You must be doing something
really wonderful
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the government's spending
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a lot of money on this."
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These are the phones.
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They're all active?
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All active.
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when you study journalism,
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you take for granted that
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the government is going
to be after you.
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And we are the lucky ones
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use in so many regions in Mexico,
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they get a bullet,
they don't get a message...
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They get a bullet.
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I'm not sure we can
make the argument
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the NSO is enabling,
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in terms of operationalizing
its surveillance
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into direct violence,
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is new territory, right?
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I mean the CIA and NSA
do that all the time.
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What I think is new is
that we can see the fingerprints
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and we can show it.
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I think that that points
to something that
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I would say might be
new territory,
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which is a private company
manufacturing and selling
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nation state-level cyberweapons.
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There is something
of a viral logic
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about this form of targeting
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in a way that it spreads
between family members,
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but also the people
that investigate those crimes.
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If we know that X activist
was targeted on this date
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and then immediately
following that,
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something physical happened...
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Like if one of those threads
could be drawn
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through the database.
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01:00:38,052 --> 01:00:39,970
This is the underlying logic
of this investigation...
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Digital vs. physical violence.
So let's start with that.
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Look at the same pattern,
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01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:49,396
across in when and how
does it happen in Mexico,
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01:00:49,438 --> 01:00:53,776
when and how does this kind of
relation happen in the UAE,
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01:00:53,817 --> 01:00:56,278
when it happens in Rwanda,
when it happens in India,
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if you have data about that,
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and find a way to move
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between one field of operation
to the other.
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All the information is there,
but this is now
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the mobilization of the data.
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It is not now
about simply plotting
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because this material
is being plotted,
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political events are there
plotted on a timeline,
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there are physical events...
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It's now you have
all the strings,
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and now you start playing
music on them.
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You go like, "I'm just gonna
use these notes."
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Ta, ta, ta, ta...
is targeting.
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I'm gonna zoom in a little.
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So if we go into
the front view,
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here we have
the field of Mexico...
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So, from on top,
it appears just as a line...
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collapsed into a single field.
So this is Mexico.
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01:01:48,122 --> 01:01:51,291
But then if we view it
from the side,
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we see all of the targets, all
the people who've been targeted
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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,006
by NSO software inside Mexico.
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01:01:58,048 --> 01:02:00,551
So when we're seeing it
in 3D, for example,
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01:02:00,592 --> 01:02:05,139
we can see that some targets are
operating in multiple fields,
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01:02:05,180 --> 01:02:08,475
for example,
Mazen and Citizen Lab operate
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01:02:08,517 --> 01:02:11,645
in Mexico, Saudi Arabia and UAE.
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Our current database includes
every event that we have
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01:02:15,733 --> 01:02:18,902
which is an attack that's been
performed using NSO software.
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01:02:18,944 --> 01:02:20,821
And that database lists
all the people
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01:02:20,863 --> 01:02:22,865
that have been targeted by
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01:02:22,906 --> 01:02:25,117
the state that
has bought NSO software
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and is doing the targeting.
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I remember the moment
when the project
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gained urgency in my mind,
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01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:40,424
and that was with Fleming.
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This is NSO's first
so-called "civilian product."
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01:02:45,929 --> 01:02:49,641
It was described as a contact
tracing tool to monitor both
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01:02:49,683 --> 01:02:52,060
those who had caught Covid-19,
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01:02:52,102 --> 01:02:56,231
but also those that
they had come into contact with.
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01:02:56,273 --> 01:03:00,611
It was reported that Fleming
had been marketed to
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01:03:00,652 --> 01:03:03,864
dozens of health ministries
around the world.
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01:03:05,741 --> 01:03:08,368
So, it was a set of alarm bells
in my mind
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01:03:08,410 --> 01:03:11,121
that the same
cyber weapons manufacturer
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01:03:11,163 --> 01:03:13,582
that had targeted
former collaborators
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01:03:13,624 --> 01:03:14,666
of Forensic Architecture,
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01:03:16,126 --> 01:03:17,961
targeted my own personal friends
and colleagues,
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01:03:18,003 --> 01:03:20,714
and these are all
human rights activists,
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01:03:20,756 --> 01:03:23,634
researchers, lawyers,
journalists...
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01:03:23,675 --> 01:03:27,471
This same company is now
offering its services
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01:03:27,513 --> 01:03:31,350
to deal with
private health details.
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01:03:34,603 --> 01:03:38,774
When I first started working
on these cases,
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01:03:39,274 --> 01:03:41,902
it was clear that
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01:03:41,944 --> 01:03:44,655
we're dealing
with a company that
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01:03:44,696 --> 01:03:47,699
does not have a lot of respect
for human rights.
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01:03:47,741 --> 01:03:50,994
Also if you look at
the reporting about the company,
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01:03:51,036 --> 01:03:52,496
the value of the company,
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01:03:52,788 --> 01:03:54,665
the money that's involved,
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01:03:54,706 --> 01:03:56,959
we're talking about
hundreds of millions of dollars.
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01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,919
Of course a lot of
the people in Mexico
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01:03:58,961 --> 01:04:01,797
that you represent
have lost their jobs,
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01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:04,633
they've had
their offices broken into,
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01:04:04,675 --> 01:04:06,927
they've had
their partners killed.
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01:04:06,969 --> 01:04:11,056
And so the state kills
43 students in Ayotzinapa,
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01:04:11,098 --> 01:04:13,725
people report on it,
they get hacked,
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01:04:13,767 --> 01:04:16,854
lawyers get targeted, and so on.
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01:04:16,895 --> 01:04:19,356
And so a lot of
what we're seeing
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01:04:19,398 --> 01:04:21,483
along the way is
this escalation,
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01:04:21,525 --> 01:04:24,027
this rise in the way
that people are targeted.
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01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:26,572
Not only they would gather
information,
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01:04:26,613 --> 01:04:28,991
but also they can
send messages.
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01:04:29,575 --> 01:04:35,664
So they can start managing
your relationship with people
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01:04:35,706 --> 01:04:39,209
by sending them
all kind of information,
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01:04:39,251 --> 01:04:42,087
messages that supposedly
come from you.
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01:04:42,129 --> 01:04:47,134
It's like somebody's sitting
in your mind.
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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,683
The NSO group stands for
the 3 persons
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01:04:54,725 --> 01:04:57,352
who founded the company in 2010.
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01:04:57,394 --> 01:05:00,522
Shalev Hulio is
the S in NSO and
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01:05:00,564 --> 01:05:02,691
perhaps the more well-known
of the three.
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01:05:02,733 --> 01:05:05,485
He's not exactly
a technical wizard.
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01:05:05,527 --> 01:05:08,405
He did not serve in Unit 8200,
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01:05:08,447 --> 01:05:11,325
which is the intelligence unit
in the Israeli Army.
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01:05:11,366 --> 01:05:13,452
But Shalev Hulio did serve
in the Israeli Army,
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01:05:13,493 --> 01:05:14,453
and as a commander,
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01:05:15,913 --> 01:05:16,788
he was involved
in a series of operations
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01:05:16,830 --> 01:05:18,665
in the occupied West Bank.
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01:05:18,707 --> 01:05:20,959
One of his operations was
during the height
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01:05:21,001 --> 01:05:23,545
of the Second Intifada in 2002,
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01:05:23,587 --> 01:05:26,423
Operation Defensive Shield.
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01:05:26,465 --> 01:05:29,051
extremely destructive operation
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01:05:29,092 --> 01:05:31,470
involved sending soldiers
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01:05:31,511 --> 01:05:35,015
straight through the walls
of Palestinian homes, so
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01:05:35,057 --> 01:05:36,683
instead of fighting their way
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01:05:36,725 --> 01:05:38,310
through the alleyways
of the camp,
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01:05:38,352 --> 01:05:41,104
Israeli soldiers
would smash their way
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01:05:41,146 --> 01:05:43,607
through civilian homes
to clear a path,
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01:05:43,649 --> 01:05:46,777
blasting their way
through the built environment,
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01:05:46,818 --> 01:05:50,405
and mobilizing people's homes
against their bodies.
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01:05:58,830 --> 01:06:02,417
Do you currently...? Do you hold
a security clearance right now?
405
01:06:02,459 --> 01:06:06,004
Nope, I've been this
whistleblower guy in the past.
406
01:06:06,046 --> 01:06:09,383
My interests lie
in helping to get
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01:06:09,424 --> 01:06:11,843
whatever should be
public, public.
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01:06:12,761 --> 01:06:15,097
So you can think of me as a
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01:06:15,138 --> 01:06:18,141
solutions executive
with a software company.
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01:06:18,183 --> 01:06:21,269
What it boiled down to was that
we had access to the networks,
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01:06:21,311 --> 01:06:23,730
and NSO was looking for access.
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01:06:23,772 --> 01:06:25,983
So the access
to the network would be...
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01:06:26,024 --> 01:06:28,777
They would get a global title.
414
01:06:28,819 --> 01:06:30,654
They would have a piece
of software into it
415
01:06:30,696 --> 01:06:31,738
that would have access
416
01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:33,865
to the live operator network.
417
01:06:34,408 --> 01:06:36,034
This was a conference call.
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01:06:36,076 --> 01:06:39,371
They were very hesitant
to share their names.
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01:06:39,413 --> 01:06:41,790
I took their names
and email addresses
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01:06:41,832 --> 01:06:44,292
just in the event
something bad were to happen.
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01:06:44,751 --> 01:06:47,212
So I met with
all these people...
422
01:06:47,254 --> 01:06:50,215
Omri, Eddy Shalev,
Eran Gorev...
423
01:06:51,466 --> 01:06:52,718
Wow.
424
01:06:54,261 --> 01:06:56,263
There's a tremendous amount
of value in that,
425
01:06:56,304 --> 01:06:59,516
to get access to
operator signaling networks.
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01:06:59,558 --> 01:07:01,476
It made me very uncomfortable.
427
01:07:02,728 --> 01:07:06,023
I did reach out to the FBI,
multiple times...
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01:07:06,064 --> 01:07:09,067
Do you know what happened
with that information?
429
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:12,571
I don't know,
it was very silent after that.
430
01:07:13,780 --> 01:07:16,825
It's gonna take
a second to process this.
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01:07:16,867 --> 01:07:18,577
And are you in a position
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01:07:18,618 --> 01:07:20,912
where you could provide
access globally
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01:07:20,954 --> 01:07:23,582
or just in the US
or in what countries?
434
01:07:24,750 --> 01:07:25,876
Globally.
435
01:07:27,627 --> 01:07:29,337
In July, I had a meeting with
some executives at the NSO Group
436
01:07:29,379 --> 01:07:32,132
who provides black box spyware
for global governments...
437
01:07:32,174 --> 01:07:35,594
They requested access to mobile
networks via our software
438
01:07:35,635 --> 01:07:38,013
and offered cash payments...
439
01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:50,776
Hey, it's me.
440
01:07:50,817 --> 01:07:53,361
So I'm having
all these flashbacks.
441
01:07:53,403 --> 01:07:55,947
The first time
Snowden contacted me,
442
01:07:55,989 --> 01:07:58,992
I was sitting here,
I was in this room.
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01:08:00,494 --> 01:08:03,205
There was a kind of demarcation
444
01:08:03,246 --> 01:08:06,166
of my life, before and after.
445
01:08:06,583 --> 01:08:07,959
Those I could trust,
446
01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:10,337
and then people
who enter my life after,
447
01:08:10,378 --> 01:08:13,090
who are always
in question, right?
448
01:08:13,131 --> 01:08:14,508
Uhmm...
449
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:16,718
And even the people
you knew before
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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,553
can always be flipped.
451
01:08:21,681 --> 01:08:23,016
And so...
452
01:08:24,184 --> 01:08:27,145
Listening to people
tell this story
453
01:08:27,187 --> 01:08:29,397
about this kind
of surveillance...
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01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,734
It just hits home, right?
It's super unnerving.
455
01:08:38,115 --> 01:08:40,784
from my country under
456
01:08:40,826 --> 01:08:43,161
the risk of being arrested.
457
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:48,708
The field that I'm focusing on,
it's a very sensitive field.
458
01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:54,798
I'm trying to record
the violations of human rights,
459
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,093
how they treat
prisoners, detainees,
460
01:08:58,135 --> 01:09:00,137
if they were tortured...
461
01:09:00,178 --> 01:09:03,807
And my father,
he is one of the detainees so
462
01:09:03,849 --> 01:09:07,853
I want to speak about him,
and raise his case.
463
01:09:07,894 --> 01:09:11,523
And I'm his daughter,
I have to do something.
464
01:09:11,565 --> 01:09:12,941
I have to tell you,
465
01:09:12,983 --> 01:09:15,277
as you're talking
I'm trying to...
466
01:09:15,318 --> 01:09:17,904
Laura has definitely
her experiences
467
01:09:17,946 --> 01:09:20,866
targeted and surveilled.
468
01:09:20,907 --> 01:09:25,370
My experiences
with state violence are...
469
01:09:25,662 --> 01:09:27,956
have so far been more physical.
470
01:09:28,248 --> 01:09:31,293
In my family,
we left Iran when we were young,
471
01:09:31,334 --> 01:09:34,629
and I'm just thinking that
we left for political reasons,
472
01:09:34,671 --> 01:09:36,840
my parents were both
political prisoners,
473
01:09:36,882 --> 01:09:39,718
and when we came here,
we continued our politics...
474
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:41,761
We would go
to protest every week
475
01:09:41,803 --> 01:09:44,222
with other Iranian, Afghan...
476
01:09:44,598 --> 01:09:47,142
Kurdish refugees.
477
01:09:47,434 --> 01:09:49,102
My mother was part of the
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01:09:49,144 --> 01:09:51,688
International Federation
of Iranian Refugees,
479
01:09:51,730 --> 01:09:55,192
and she did it here because
she was away from Iran.
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01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:57,569
If she were to do that today,
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01:09:57,611 --> 01:09:59,988
the Islamic Republic
would be able to
482
01:10:00,030 --> 01:10:03,200
reach out and touch her,
so to speak,
483
01:10:03,241 --> 01:10:05,243
in the way that
your home government
484
01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:07,537
is reaching out
and touching you.
485
01:10:07,579 --> 01:10:12,417
It's a completely different
ball game for activists,
486
01:10:12,459 --> 01:10:16,213
and especially activists
coming from places where...
487
01:10:17,464 --> 01:10:21,384
There is much more
of a physical cost in resisting.
488
01:11:03,677 --> 01:11:05,512
between digital violence
489
01:11:05,553 --> 01:11:06,972
and physical violence
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01:11:07,013 --> 01:11:09,557
becomes the most clear
when we look at the cases
491
01:11:09,599 --> 01:11:11,393
from Saudi Arabia.
492
01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:20,944
He's writing articles,
he's doing columns,
493
01:11:20,986 --> 01:11:22,028
he's giving talks.
494
01:11:23,363 --> 01:11:25,407
Then Omar Abdulazziz
and Khashoggi communicate,
495
01:11:25,448 --> 01:11:26,825
and right after that,
496
01:11:26,866 --> 01:11:28,743
Abdulazziz gets
targeted digitally.
497
01:11:29,035 --> 01:11:32,289
They communicated almost
on a daily basis.
498
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:35,000
That means that
all the messages
499
01:11:35,041 --> 01:11:37,752
that they exchanged were there
to be hacked
500
01:11:37,794 --> 01:11:40,463
because they were all saved
on the WhatsApp account.
501
01:11:40,505 --> 01:11:44,926
That was a treasure that the
government of Saudi Arabia found
502
01:11:44,968 --> 01:11:49,514
because they just discovered
the nature of the relationship
503
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,435
between two big dissidents.
504
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:57,439
One month before
they killed him,
505
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:00,734
he sent me a private message on Twitter
506
01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:04,779
when I was attacked by
Saudi bots and trolls.
507
01:12:05,697 --> 01:12:08,992
He told me, "Ghada, block them,
508
01:12:09,034 --> 01:12:11,870
"ignore them,
and don't get upset.
509
01:12:11,911 --> 01:12:13,997
"Just block them like I do."
510
01:12:16,541 --> 01:12:19,085
And every day,
the more we discovered
511
01:12:19,127 --> 01:12:21,546
what happened to him
and how he was...
512
01:12:21,588 --> 01:12:24,883
how he went in,
how they told him to sit down,
513
01:12:24,924 --> 01:12:27,385
how they came with the saw,
514
01:12:27,427 --> 01:12:30,680
how... when they started to...
515
01:12:35,393 --> 01:12:39,105
When he couldn't breathe,
and then, you know, I was...
516
01:12:40,065 --> 01:12:43,193
The details, you know,
it was so...
517
01:12:43,943 --> 01:12:48,198
I don't know how to describe
it actually, it's a nightmare.
518
01:12:51,493 --> 01:12:55,163
My heart starts beating
and I say, "God, please...
519
01:12:55,747 --> 01:12:59,125
"Let it be quickly,
let me read something
520
01:12:59,167 --> 01:13:00,919
"that says he didn't suffer."
521
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,714
He didn't have time to realize
that he was killed
522
01:13:04,756 --> 01:13:08,385
by his own government,
by his own people.
523
01:13:14,724 --> 01:13:19,145
This assassination was empowered
with Israeli software,
524
01:13:19,187 --> 01:13:22,482
and since then,
Saudi Arabia hasn't paid a price
525
01:13:22,524 --> 01:13:25,151
because of its alliances
with America,
526
01:13:25,193 --> 01:13:28,154
investments in Europe, and so on.
527
01:13:28,196 --> 01:13:33,076
So it's really
the dispensability of our lives.
528
01:13:33,118 --> 01:13:35,703
That's something
that became very clear.
529
01:14:00,687 --> 01:14:02,647
Officially on the record,
530
01:14:02,689 --> 01:14:06,234
NSO isn't allowed
to operate in the United States.
531
01:14:06,276 --> 01:14:09,195
But it's attempted
to enter American markets
532
01:14:09,237 --> 01:14:11,197
for the sale
of its hacking software
533
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:14,033
at least a couple of times
that we know about.
534
01:14:14,075 --> 01:14:17,871
In 2016, they reached out to the
San Diego Police Department
535
01:14:17,912 --> 01:14:20,999
to sell a version of Pegasus
called Phantom.
536
01:14:43,062 --> 01:14:47,066
The brochure for Phantom boasts
that it can intercept calls,
537
01:14:47,108 --> 01:14:48,818
do location tracking,
538
01:14:48,860 --> 01:14:50,612
access a person's messages,
539
01:14:50,653 --> 01:14:52,780
their browsing history,
their social networks,
540
01:14:52,822 --> 01:14:54,449
their contact lists.
541
01:14:54,491 --> 01:14:57,660
So, we now know there is
an appetite from the U.S. police
542
01:14:57,702 --> 01:14:59,662
for these kinds of tools.
543
01:15:00,497 --> 01:15:02,457
But in the context
of a pandemic,
544
01:15:02,499 --> 01:15:05,001
where we are seeing
rising inequality,
545
01:15:05,043 --> 01:15:08,129
in a context where communities
are protesting en masse
546
01:15:08,171 --> 01:15:09,797
against racialized policing,
547
01:15:09,839 --> 01:15:11,925
it's extremely fucking scary
548
01:15:11,966 --> 01:15:14,469
what incredible damage
549
01:15:14,511 --> 01:15:16,763
tools like Pegasus and Phantom
550
01:15:16,804 --> 01:15:19,807
can do in the hands
of law enforcement.
551
01:33:37,863 --> 01:33:39,281
Dear Clyde,
552
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:42,159
Your brother didn't make it.
553
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,369
I don't have all the details,
554
01:33:44,411 --> 01:33:46,997
but I wanted you to hear it
from me first.
555
01:33:47,331 --> 01:33:49,625
The Lord's been
looking out for me,
556
01:33:49,666 --> 01:33:51,918
and I guess He saw it fit
to let me know.
557
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:56,006
He's called my sweet boy,
your brother, to His side.
558
01:33:56,423 --> 01:33:58,550
As you know,
he was doing poorly,
559
01:33:58,592 --> 01:34:00,385
but I'd hoped
he'd hang in there until
560
01:34:00,427 --> 01:34:02,262
I made it back to fetch him.
561
01:34:02,304 --> 01:34:04,514
I guess it wasn't meant to be.
562
01:34:04,848 --> 01:34:06,558
I'll be...
563
01:34:20,739 --> 01:34:22,366
I'll be hitting the road
in the morning
564
01:34:22,407 --> 01:34:24,201
to see him one last time
565
01:34:24,242 --> 01:34:25,827
before they bury him.
566
01:34:29,998 --> 01:34:33,001
I will let you know
what I find out.
567
01:34:33,794 --> 01:34:35,504
Love, Dad.
568
01:34:40,842 --> 01:34:42,219
Dear Clyde,
569
01:34:43,261 --> 01:34:45,389
I saw your brother today.
570
01:34:45,847 --> 01:34:47,849
They had him set up
in the church,
571
01:34:47,891 --> 01:34:50,018
him and all the rest
of the dead.
572
01:34:50,727 --> 01:34:54,106
They wouldn't let me through
the door for fear of catching it
573
01:34:54,147 --> 01:34:57,275
but I could see him
from the threshold.
574
01:34:58,276 --> 01:35:00,028
So tiny.
575
01:35:00,904 --> 01:35:03,532
Just like he always was.
576
01:35:05,075 --> 01:35:07,953
They didn't tell me
they were Presbyterians.
577
01:35:08,412 --> 01:35:10,914
I don't know
how I feel about that.
578
01:35:11,206 --> 01:35:13,333
I don't know how I feel about
them being the ones
579
01:35:13,375 --> 01:35:15,001
to bury him neither.
580
01:35:15,043 --> 01:35:16,878
But they say they can't release
any of them bodies
581
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,714
that don't have kin,
582
01:35:18,755 --> 01:35:21,925
be they Baptists, or Catholic
or Buddhists even.
583
01:35:23,635 --> 01:35:25,470
Those are the rules.
584
01:35:27,764 --> 01:35:30,434
It was strange being back
in a church.
585
01:35:31,351 --> 01:35:33,311
I didn't feel unwelcome.
586
01:35:33,645 --> 01:35:36,022
Nor did they cast
an untowards eye at me
587
01:35:36,064 --> 01:35:37,649
when they heard my name.
588
01:35:37,941 --> 01:35:40,444
Maybe they don't know who I am.
589
01:35:40,485 --> 01:35:42,779
Wouldn't that be something?
590
01:35:43,864 --> 01:35:45,741
they're just being kind.
591
01:35:49,870 --> 01:35:52,247
I haven't led the best life...
592
01:35:52,873 --> 01:35:55,041
I know you know this,
593
01:35:55,083 --> 01:35:58,336
but I hope some day
we can talk about it.
594
01:35:59,421 --> 01:36:02,632
I hope you can find it
in your heart to forgive me.
595
01:36:02,674 --> 01:36:06,344
Or, if not that,
then to understand me.
596
01:36:07,179 --> 01:36:10,807
And think of me with something
that isn't disappointment.
597
01:36:13,643 --> 01:36:15,854
A fellow just walked
through here with his face
598
01:36:15,896 --> 01:36:17,439
all cut to pieces.
599
01:36:17,773 --> 01:36:19,983
I wonder what his story is.
600
01:36:20,650 --> 01:36:22,652
I look at the world
sometimes and
601
01:36:22,694 --> 01:36:25,822
think it a wonder
that I still recognize it.
602
01:36:27,449 --> 01:36:30,118
I wonder if I'd recognize you.
603
01:36:32,454 --> 01:36:34,039
I would call you
if I had your number.
604
01:36:34,331 --> 01:36:35,123
But...
605
01:36:36,583 --> 01:36:38,502
Long silences are
best endured in person.
606
01:36:39,085 --> 01:36:42,339
And I imagine, you and I,
we'd have plenty of those.
607
01:36:43,173 --> 01:36:46,593
If you want to write,
you can do so in care of
608
01:36:46,635 --> 01:36:49,221
the St. James
Presbyterian Church...
609
01:36:49,262 --> 01:36:51,014
in Mildred.
610
01:36:51,056 --> 01:36:52,641
That's where your brother is.
611
01:36:52,682 --> 01:36:55,352
And that's where
you'll be able to find me,
612
01:36:55,393 --> 01:36:57,854
at least until
he's good and buried.
613
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,233
Please do write.
614
01:37:01,566 --> 01:37:02,776
Let me know you got this.
615
01:37:04,277 --> 01:37:05,862
Please leave your message...
616
01:37:06,196 --> 01:37:08,490
Love, Dad.
617
01:37:15,038 --> 01:37:17,374
Clyde, I took him.
618
01:37:21,211 --> 01:37:23,046
I couldn't let them do it.
619
01:37:23,338 --> 01:37:25,048
It just wasn't right.
620
01:37:25,674 --> 01:37:27,717
I didn't make a fuss about it.
621
01:37:27,759 --> 01:37:30,136
stole into the rectory at night,
622
01:37:30,428 --> 01:37:32,597
took his body in my arms,
623
01:37:33,056 --> 01:37:35,350
and bore him out of there.
624
01:37:35,392 --> 01:37:37,811
I was going to drive him
back to Texas because
625
01:37:37,853 --> 01:37:40,188
I wanted to bury him
next to your Ma.
626
01:37:40,897 --> 01:37:43,483
But before I even got
to the border,
627
01:37:43,525 --> 01:37:46,403
that poor boy
started to turn foul.
628
01:37:47,821 --> 01:37:51,491
I wrapped him in his sheet
and found a good spot for him...
629
01:37:52,409 --> 01:37:54,327
where he'd be safe.
630
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:59,499
It's too late for me now,
but I got this notion that,
631
01:37:59,541 --> 01:38:01,835
you might finish what I started.
632
01:38:02,711 --> 01:38:05,463
It wouldn't be hard to find him
if you knew where to look,
633
01:38:05,505 --> 01:38:07,591
so I drew you this map.
634
01:38:07,632 --> 01:38:10,135
Take the highway
west out of Dallas,
635
01:38:10,176 --> 01:38:12,137
until you get to Neta Road.
636
01:38:12,178 --> 01:38:13,221
Go north.
637
01:38:14,681 --> 01:38:15,307
When you get to the church
on your left,
638
01:38:16,766 --> 01:38:18,310
look for the old wagon path
on the right.
639
01:38:18,351 --> 01:38:20,896
And take that until
you get to the river.
640
01:38:20,937 --> 01:38:23,273
Stop when you get
to the end of it.
641
01:38:23,315 --> 01:38:25,191
Thirteen paces from the river,
642
01:38:25,233 --> 01:38:28,862
between the two tallest elms
is where I buried him.
643
01:38:29,154 --> 01:38:32,490
Deep enough that
the coyotes won't find him.
644
01:38:32,782 --> 01:38:36,453
But not so deep that
you'll have to dig for long.
645
01:38:39,205 --> 01:38:40,790
If you were to fetch him,
646
01:38:40,832 --> 01:38:43,460
and take him back
to where he belongs,
647
01:38:44,252 --> 01:38:46,129
I could rest easy.
648
01:38:46,171 --> 01:38:49,507
I could say I've done
all I need to do in this world.
649
01:38:49,549 --> 01:38:51,593
But don't do it for me.
650
01:38:52,260 --> 01:38:54,346
He loved you so.
651
01:38:55,597 --> 01:38:57,390
And even now,
652
01:38:57,766 --> 01:38:59,684
under all that dirt,
653
01:39:00,810 --> 01:39:03,271
I know he doesn't want
to be alone.
654
01:39:05,523 --> 01:39:08,443
I trust these letters
are making their way to you.
655
01:39:08,944 --> 01:39:12,030
I trust you've been hearing
what people say about me, too.
656
01:39:12,072 --> 01:39:15,367
But I hope you know
there's more to me than that.
657
01:39:15,825 --> 01:39:19,829
I think back often to the
last time we were all together.
658
01:39:19,871 --> 01:39:22,499
You and me and your brother.
659
01:39:22,958 --> 01:39:24,709
And your Ma...
660
01:39:24,751 --> 01:39:27,504
in that little house in Medford.
661
01:39:28,838 --> 01:39:33,259
Even back then,
I was failing every step I took.
662
01:39:34,636 --> 01:39:37,973
But with you two,
I got things right.
663
01:39:39,641 --> 01:39:40,934
Clyde.
664
01:39:41,476 --> 01:39:43,436
I won't write again.
665
01:39:44,688 --> 01:39:46,773
But know that I love you.
666
01:39:47,732 --> 01:39:49,567
I surely do.
667
01:41:29,667 --> 01:41:31,878
Dear Clyde...
668
01:41:34,214 --> 01:41:37,092
Daddy said you'd be coming.
669
01:41:39,594 --> 01:41:42,555
said you'd be coming to get me.
670
01:41:44,015 --> 01:41:46,392
I can hear you digging.
671
01:41:47,977 --> 01:41:50,688
I can hear you getting closer.
672
01:41:51,064 --> 01:41:52,148
And...
673
01:41:52,732 --> 01:41:55,527
I wish I could tell you to stop.
674
01:41:58,446 --> 01:42:01,533
wish I could tell you I'm happy.
675
01:42:01,866 --> 01:42:04,661
And that I just want
to go on resting.
676
01:42:06,788 --> 01:42:09,165
But I guess I can't.
677
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,002
'Cause there you are.
678
01:42:18,007 --> 01:42:19,968
And I don't know...
679
01:42:22,595 --> 01:42:25,223
You look different
than I remember.
680
01:42:28,726 --> 01:42:31,396
I wonder what happened to you.
681
01:42:35,441 --> 01:42:38,611
what the world looks like now.
682
01:42:46,369 --> 01:42:48,955
I guess you'll tell me
what's changed,
683
01:42:48,997 --> 01:42:51,416
and what I missed out on.
684
01:42:53,543 --> 01:42:56,337
I didn't much like things
the way they were
685
01:42:56,379 --> 01:42:58,464
when Daddy was around.
686
01:42:58,506 --> 01:43:00,925
But maybe that was
because of him.
687
01:43:06,681 --> 01:43:09,809
that was just everyone.
688
01:43:14,272 --> 01:43:16,524
f the people I thought were good
689
01:43:16,566 --> 01:43:18,651
turned out to be bad.
690
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,946
And I just want to sleep...
691
01:43:21,988 --> 01:43:24,824
so that I wouldn't have
to see them.
692
01:43:26,117 --> 01:43:29,162
I remember this one lady...
693
01:43:29,746 --> 01:43:33,458
She would take me to the window
and let me look out.
694
01:43:33,499 --> 01:43:35,960
And there were birds in the sky.
695
01:43:36,419 --> 01:43:38,838
And even though
it hurt so bad,
696
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,049
she would look at me and say,
697
01:43:41,090 --> 01:43:44,510
"Well, at least
it's a beautiful day."
698
01:43:45,762 --> 01:43:48,389
it's a beautiful day."
699
01:43:49,015 --> 01:43:51,100
But I don't know if it was.
700
01:43:52,268 --> 01:43:54,729
I don't know if it ever was.
701
01:43:55,313 --> 01:43:58,483
I don't know
if it ever will be again.
702
01:44:01,402 --> 01:44:02,612
Will it?
703
01:44:08,910 --> 01:44:12,538
But she would go on
smiling all the same.
704
01:44:12,956 --> 01:44:16,584
And we'd sit and look
out the window.
705
01:44:17,043 --> 01:44:19,295
And watch it get dark.
706
01:45:54,682 --> 01:46:00,813
Night Colonies
707
02:00:59,086 --> 02:01:00,921
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