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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:42:56,324 --> 00:42:59,578 One, two, three, four, five, six... 4 00:42:59,869 --> 00:43:02,789 Six feet away! 5 00:43:02,872 --> 00:43:04,916 can you come over here and visit? 6 00:43:12,507 --> 00:43:14,426 I don't really have happy dreams... 7 00:43:14,884 --> 00:43:15,844 Yeah. 8 00:43:17,178 --> 00:43:20,056 I have to fill out this paperwork for my kids. 9 00:43:20,473 --> 00:43:21,975 They want to medicate them. 10 00:43:22,017 --> 00:43:24,436 I alone am fighting for the well-being 11 00:43:24,477 --> 00:43:26,855 and the safety and security of my children. 12 00:43:26,896 --> 00:43:31,484 Then on top of that, I'm also doing my work for this job 13 00:43:31,526 --> 00:43:36,448 that I have just got, working with troubled youth. 14 00:43:37,324 --> 00:43:39,534 So the fight continues on. 15 00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:45,790 I started learning how to love at the age of 22 years old. 16 00:43:49,169 --> 00:43:51,338 You don't operate the phone! 17 00:43:51,379 --> 00:43:54,424 Hey, I gave Yay'veontay the task to operate the phone. 18 00:43:54,466 --> 00:43:56,301 So may you guys please allow him to do it? 19 00:43:56,343 --> 00:43:58,011 I'm gonna... 20 00:43:59,929 --> 00:44:03,516 Hey, one of you guys take the phone and go outside. 21 00:44:03,558 --> 00:44:04,476 Alright... 22 00:44:04,517 --> 00:44:05,435 Oww! 23 00:44:07,896 --> 00:44:10,273 You got your shoes on? 24 00:44:10,565 --> 00:44:11,566 Mhm! 25 00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:12,442 Alright. 26 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:14,611 Go outside, like by the front door, and let's see 27 00:44:15,654 --> 00:44:16,905 how the reception is right there. 28 00:44:16,946 --> 00:44:18,448 I'm outside. 29 00:44:19,699 --> 00:44:21,576 Manieepoo! 30 00:44:22,202 --> 00:44:23,828 What's the deal, Mama? 31 00:44:24,496 --> 00:44:24,996 Nothing. 32 00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:28,792 The video works so much better with you outside. 33 00:44:29,501 --> 00:44:31,711 - Manieepoo? - Huh? 34 00:44:32,003 --> 00:44:35,757 Hey, Maniee, stay right there where the reception is good. 35 00:44:39,761 --> 00:44:41,096 Manieepoo? 36 00:44:46,601 --> 00:44:50,397 My three children were separated in all different foster homes. 37 00:44:50,438 --> 00:44:54,275 My children's mother and myself went through a hard break-up and 38 00:44:54,317 --> 00:44:57,779 we both could have conducted ourselves in a better fashion. 39 00:44:57,821 --> 00:44:58,863 And being that we didn't, 40 00:45:00,365 --> 00:45:01,825 it resulted in our children being taken from our custody 41 00:45:01,866 --> 00:45:05,578 by the Department of Children and Family Services. 42 00:45:08,081 --> 00:45:10,750 The current pandemic has not affected 43 00:45:10,792 --> 00:45:13,712 my current arrangements for visitation. 44 00:45:16,464 --> 00:45:18,258 Where are you? 45 00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:20,552 I'm not too far from you guys. 46 00:45:20,927 --> 00:45:22,637 Oh, can you come? 47 00:45:23,179 --> 00:45:24,431 Hmmm... 48 00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:27,517 If it's okay with your Auntie. 49 00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:31,646 I may be over there a little later. 50 00:45:32,313 --> 00:45:36,067 I am not able to come over there today but... 51 00:45:36,359 --> 00:45:38,737 Hey look, but on a more serious note, 52 00:45:38,778 --> 00:45:40,530 if you can, I really need you to pay attention 53 00:45:40,572 --> 00:45:42,365 to what I'm about to tell you. 54 00:45:42,407 --> 00:45:44,075 Wasn't there a shooting over there? 55 00:45:44,117 --> 00:45:46,161 Like yesterday or the night before last? 56 00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:48,538 If you're outside, right? And you hear gunshots, 57 00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:50,665 what are you supposed to do? 58 00:45:50,957 --> 00:45:52,709 - Look? - No... 59 00:45:52,751 --> 00:45:54,377 - Run? - No. 60 00:45:55,086 --> 00:45:57,922 - In back under a car - No. No. No. 61 00:45:57,964 --> 00:45:59,883 You get down, you prone out. 62 00:45:59,924 --> 00:46:02,302 You get as close to the earth as you can. 63 00:46:02,343 --> 00:46:04,220 You know why I'm telling you this, right? 64 00:46:04,262 --> 00:46:06,973 See that dog right there, that dog. 65 00:46:07,515 --> 00:46:08,641 What? 66 00:46:08,683 --> 00:46:10,310 The dog! 67 00:46:10,351 --> 00:46:13,146 - You don't see that dog? - I don't want... 68 00:46:13,688 --> 00:46:15,482 Okay, lemme see the dog. 69 00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:28,953 If you had super powers, Mama, 70 00:46:28,995 --> 00:46:31,247 what super powers would you want? 71 00:46:32,081 --> 00:46:33,291 To fly! 72 00:46:33,625 --> 00:46:34,834 Woo! 73 00:46:35,585 --> 00:46:36,461 There we go! 74 00:46:36,503 --> 00:46:38,421 I wanna be extremely fast... 75 00:46:38,463 --> 00:46:40,673 I had a dream that I... 76 00:46:40,715 --> 00:46:44,135 I chose that I could just run to dad every... 77 00:46:44,677 --> 00:46:48,431 My visitation with my children is at least once a week, 78 00:46:48,473 --> 00:46:52,519 for whatever amount of hours the caretaker allows. 79 00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:55,188 For seven years, 80 00:46:56,689 --> 00:46:59,317 I have been fighting tooth and nail to regain custody. 81 00:46:59,901 --> 00:47:02,862 I feel like I'm incomplete. 82 00:47:03,863 --> 00:47:07,325 Sometimes, I get so deep into my depression 83 00:47:07,367 --> 00:47:08,993 that I just wanna be alone, 84 00:47:09,035 --> 00:47:11,037 I don't want to interact with people. 85 00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:12,372 It's a fight. 86 00:47:12,831 --> 00:47:13,998 Yeah, it's a fight. 87 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,501 the biggest fight of my life. 88 00:47:16,793 --> 00:47:18,503 Six feet away! 89 00:47:18,545 --> 00:47:20,839 One, two, three, four, five, six... 90 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,299 Dad, when's the next time we go to court? 91 00:47:23,341 --> 00:47:25,844 We're supposed to go to court this month, 92 00:47:25,885 --> 00:47:28,638 the Covid-19 pandemic, 93 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,349 we was unable to go to court. 94 00:47:31,766 --> 00:47:34,811 So it can be next week, it can be next month, 95 00:47:34,853 --> 00:47:36,604 or it can be next year. 96 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,399 I wanna be the judge. 97 00:47:39,899 --> 00:47:42,861 So, okay, if you wanna be the judge, that's magnificent. 98 00:47:42,902 --> 00:47:45,196 Families going through what we going through, 99 00:47:45,238 --> 00:47:46,489 you can be able to better assist them 100 00:47:46,531 --> 00:47:47,782 because you went through it, right? 101 00:47:49,325 --> 00:47:52,245 First I'm gonna work as a dentist for a little bit then 102 00:47:52,537 --> 00:47:56,124 I'm gonna quit it... and be a judge. 103 00:47:56,165 --> 00:47:59,043 Well, I feel like we should discuss that... 104 00:47:59,085 --> 00:48:02,130 - a little bit more... - Six feet away! 105 00:48:02,505 --> 00:48:04,674 Six feet away. 106 00:48:04,716 --> 00:48:07,135 I dream about my kids, yeah. 107 00:48:07,176 --> 00:48:09,470 And when I dream about my kids, it's just like... 108 00:48:09,512 --> 00:48:12,265 things as simple as having a meal together. 109 00:48:12,307 --> 00:48:13,975 You want some? 110 00:48:14,017 --> 00:48:15,435 Yeah, just gimme a bite. 111 00:48:17,896 --> 00:48:19,606 It's pepperoni. 112 00:48:20,899 --> 00:48:22,025 Conversations, 113 00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:23,568 being in the living room, 114 00:48:23,610 --> 00:48:24,986 watching TV... 115 00:48:25,028 --> 00:48:27,780 The things that a lot of people take for granted. 116 00:48:27,822 --> 00:48:29,908 Those are daydreams. 117 00:48:29,949 --> 00:48:31,910 Those aren't the physical dreams 118 00:48:31,951 --> 00:48:34,120 that I dream when I lay down at night, 119 00:48:34,162 --> 00:48:35,747 and try to sleep. 120 00:48:39,334 --> 00:48:41,586 I suffer from PTSD. 121 00:48:42,128 --> 00:48:45,298 My dreams is rooted in the hardships that 122 00:48:45,340 --> 00:48:48,468 God has blessed me so far to escape. 123 00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:51,054 Being homeless as a child, 124 00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:52,430 being beaten, 125 00:48:52,472 --> 00:48:54,641 being neglected, you know? 126 00:48:57,101 --> 00:48:59,187 Some nights I don't sleep. 127 00:49:01,230 --> 00:49:02,565 Hey, what's going on, Yay'veontay? 128 00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:04,734 Good, where you at? Why won't you come? 129 00:49:04,776 --> 00:49:08,237 You guys are my children, of course I'm gonna be there. 130 00:49:08,655 --> 00:49:09,614 What's up, Dad? 131 00:49:09,656 --> 00:49:11,866 What's going on, brother? 132 00:49:16,871 --> 00:49:18,915 You look real nice with your glasses. 133 00:49:18,957 --> 00:49:20,291 Why didn't you put your bow on? 134 00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:22,627 Why didn't you put it right here? 135 00:49:22,669 --> 00:49:24,337 Like that? 136 00:49:24,379 --> 00:49:26,172 Dang! I forgot about that... 137 00:49:26,214 --> 00:49:28,007 You forgot? Wait, come here! 138 00:49:28,049 --> 00:49:30,009 Can I take a picture of you? 139 00:49:35,348 --> 00:49:36,975 I'm happy that my children 140 00:49:37,016 --> 00:49:39,811 were finally able to be placed in the same residence, 141 00:49:39,852 --> 00:49:42,814 and placed in the care of family members. 142 00:49:43,982 --> 00:49:46,401 We're hopeful that, on the next court date, 143 00:49:46,442 --> 00:49:48,736 They're gonna liberalize my visits. 144 00:49:48,778 --> 00:49:50,488 I'll be able to go get my kids, 145 00:49:50,530 --> 00:49:51,864 and spend about 5 hours with them 146 00:49:51,906 --> 00:49:53,408 take 'em wherever I want to take 'em, 147 00:49:53,449 --> 00:49:56,869 and at the end of that 5 hours, drop them back off. 148 00:49:58,121 --> 00:49:59,372 Is you crying? 149 00:49:59,414 --> 00:50:00,206 Say no. 150 00:50:01,249 --> 00:50:02,208 - Cause you're a big man? - Yeah. 151 00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:03,918 Papa, is you a big man? 152 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,004 Yes, y'all is. Then you got 153 00:50:06,045 --> 00:50:06,796 Yay'veontay! 154 00:50:07,755 --> 00:50:09,215 Yay'veontay, right there, man! 155 00:50:10,008 --> 00:50:12,135 Say cheese. Don't cry, okay? 156 00:50:15,638 --> 00:50:17,223 Stop crying. 157 00:50:17,724 --> 00:50:19,017 Wipe your face. 158 00:50:19,058 --> 00:50:20,685 You're a big girl. 159 00:50:20,727 --> 00:50:23,312 Daddy gonna come back and see you, okay? 160 00:50:23,354 --> 00:50:24,897 Don't cry. 161 00:50:26,065 --> 00:50:27,775 You're gonna be alright. 162 00:50:28,317 --> 00:50:30,903 Sometimes, I'm not capable of physically 163 00:50:30,945 --> 00:50:32,822 reaching out and touching my kids, 164 00:50:32,864 --> 00:50:33,698 but spiritually, 165 00:50:35,158 --> 00:50:36,909 we're connected and they know their father is there. 166 00:50:36,951 --> 00:50:38,995 Periodically, I dream about my kids, 167 00:50:39,037 --> 00:50:40,288 us flying... 168 00:50:41,831 --> 00:50:45,668 We'll all be together, holding hands, flying, laughing... 169 00:50:46,127 --> 00:50:49,505 Swimming, without having to come up for air... 170 00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:52,425 Being able to be free, and defy the limitations 171 00:50:52,467 --> 00:50:54,635 that the physical put on us. 172 00:50:54,677 --> 00:50:56,804 These dreams bring me peace. 173 00:50:57,305 --> 00:50:59,807 Yeah, peace, peace. 174 00:51:02,477 --> 00:51:05,521 My love, my sunshine, my dear... 175 00:52:04,914 --> 00:52:06,499 Is this recording? No? 176 00:52:06,541 --> 00:52:07,959 Is this recording? 177 00:52:09,752 --> 00:52:11,212 Hi Laura... 178 00:52:11,254 --> 00:52:14,507 So you asked me to start sending memos about 179 00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:16,968 this ongoing investigation. 180 00:52:18,344 --> 00:52:19,804 Uhmm... 181 00:52:20,138 --> 00:52:20,888 So like this... 182 00:52:21,889 --> 00:52:22,723 We were watching the news about 183 00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:24,934 the spread of surveillance technology 184 00:52:24,976 --> 00:52:26,519 for Corona tracing. 185 00:52:26,561 --> 00:52:29,772 So, the way that kind of global viral emergency 186 00:52:29,814 --> 00:52:32,150 is used to roll out the surveillance projects 187 00:52:32,191 --> 00:52:34,652 in different parts of the world. 188 00:52:38,489 --> 00:52:41,492 One company name was always there... 189 00:52:42,535 --> 00:52:44,495 NSO Group. 190 00:52:44,537 --> 00:52:47,039 So, we already wanted for a long time 191 00:52:47,081 --> 00:52:49,876 to start an investigation on the NSO 192 00:52:49,917 --> 00:52:52,628 NSO software was used to target 193 00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:54,839 our colleagues and friends. 194 00:52:55,590 --> 00:52:59,093 We know that you know what it feels to be surveilled, 195 00:52:59,135 --> 00:53:02,597 that surveillance is not only a breach of privacy, 196 00:53:02,638 --> 00:53:04,056 that it is violence, 197 00:53:04,098 --> 00:53:06,142 that it does things to you, 198 00:53:06,184 --> 00:53:09,770 that things start to happen to you in the real world... 199 00:53:09,812 --> 00:53:11,230 And then it spreads across 200 00:53:11,272 --> 00:53:13,065 your network of friends, colleagues, 201 00:53:13,107 --> 00:53:15,359 and stakeholders or clients... 202 00:53:15,651 --> 00:53:19,155 And that being targeted feels like terror. 203 00:53:58,819 --> 00:54:01,197 If I'm an organization paying a lot of money 204 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,865 for each targeting hack, 205 00:54:02,907 --> 00:54:05,201 the right thing is to target a person 206 00:54:05,243 --> 00:54:07,286 at the center of the network. 207 00:54:07,328 --> 00:54:11,415 Carmen is the head person of the matrix. 208 00:54:11,457 --> 00:54:14,794 So how can you imagine, Nathan, 209 00:54:14,835 --> 00:54:17,922 a way of visualizing something like that? 210 00:54:17,964 --> 00:54:18,839 Uhmm... 211 00:54:20,299 --> 00:54:22,134 There is a way to illustrate it through the events. 212 00:54:24,428 --> 00:54:27,348 Anything that's a sphere is an attack. 213 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,016 It means that 214 00:54:29,308 --> 00:54:32,228 this person on the timeline has been directly targeted 215 00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:34,480 by that act of violence. 216 00:54:34,939 --> 00:54:36,983 So, it might be a digital act of violence 217 00:54:37,024 --> 00:54:38,526 or a physical act of violence, 218 00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:40,653 but it's a direct attack on that person. 219 00:54:42,905 --> 00:54:45,741 When Carmen was first targeted, 220 00:54:45,783 --> 00:54:47,451 if she clicked on that, 221 00:54:47,493 --> 00:54:49,412 it's quite possible they gained access 222 00:54:49,453 --> 00:54:50,955 to all the conversations she was having 223 00:54:50,997 --> 00:54:52,623 with all of the members of her team. 224 00:54:52,665 --> 00:54:55,209 So, from Carmen, and they attack everybody else. 225 00:54:55,251 --> 00:54:59,380 And then in 2016, that's when five subjects raid her office. 226 00:55:10,182 --> 00:55:11,726 Hola Carmen! 227 00:55:11,767 --> 00:55:14,186 I am the lead researcher 228 00:55:14,228 --> 00:55:17,148 on this project with Forensic Architecture. 229 00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:22,194 We're focusing specifically on the targeted digital violence of 230 00:55:22,236 --> 00:55:25,865 the Israeli cyber weapons manufacturer, NSO Group, 231 00:55:25,906 --> 00:55:28,617 and the use of Pegasus around the world. 232 00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:30,494 You are one of... 233 00:55:30,536 --> 00:55:32,663 the first persons that was documented 234 00:55:32,705 --> 00:55:34,540 by Citizen Lab as being 235 00:55:34,582 --> 00:55:37,335 targeted using Pegasus. 236 00:55:59,231 --> 00:56:01,567 Can you describe what you remember 237 00:56:01,609 --> 00:56:03,819 as the first message you received? 238 00:56:03,861 --> 00:56:05,154 The hacks? 239 00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:03,254 Hi Laura, I hope you're okay... 240 00:57:03,295 --> 00:57:06,257 So last night, I had horrible dreams. 241 00:57:06,298 --> 00:57:09,135 I dreamt that I was being interrogated, 242 00:57:09,176 --> 00:57:13,431 and I woke up with extreme anxiety and in cold sweats, 243 00:57:13,472 --> 00:57:16,350 and the first thought that came to my mind was, 244 00:57:16,392 --> 00:57:18,644 "Are we making a huge mistake?" 245 00:57:18,686 --> 00:57:20,771 I don't want to get too paranoid, 246 00:57:20,813 --> 00:57:22,606 but I'm also thinking at the same time 247 00:57:22,648 --> 00:57:24,692 that we've never had to come across 248 00:57:24,733 --> 00:57:27,278 a company like the NSO group 249 00:57:27,319 --> 00:57:29,155 They're very lawsuit happy, 250 00:57:29,196 --> 00:57:31,157 they go after people, they intimidate... 251 00:57:31,198 --> 00:57:33,492 Every single person we've spoken to so far, 252 00:57:33,534 --> 00:57:36,745 whether they're journalists, lawyers suing them, researchers, 253 00:57:36,787 --> 00:57:39,039 or people who've been targeted, they're all telling us 254 00:57:39,081 --> 00:57:42,042 this company tries to intimidate, to scare, 255 00:57:42,084 --> 00:57:43,335 to make your life hell, 256 00:57:43,377 --> 00:57:45,463 just so that you go away. 257 00:58:15,075 --> 00:58:17,870 As an Arab, we have interest in 258 00:58:17,912 --> 00:58:20,289 what is going on in the Arab world. 259 00:58:20,623 --> 00:58:23,375 it's like a personal matter 260 00:58:23,417 --> 00:58:26,128 as well as a legal matter. 261 00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:28,589 This is not the first time that we've been targeted 262 00:58:28,631 --> 00:58:30,049 or that we were under surveillance 263 00:58:30,090 --> 00:58:31,342 by the Indian state. 264 00:58:31,383 --> 00:58:33,385 A lot of my contacts, when I told them, 265 00:58:33,427 --> 00:58:34,512 look this is happening to me, 266 00:58:35,971 --> 00:58:37,306 They said, "We always presumed this would happen to you 267 00:58:37,348 --> 00:58:39,850 "so don't worry, we all prepared for it. 268 00:58:39,892 --> 00:58:42,561 "You must be doing something really wonderful 269 00:58:42,603 --> 00:58:44,271 the government's spending 270 00:58:44,313 --> 00:58:46,023 a lot of money on this." 271 00:58:47,107 --> 00:58:48,651 These are the phones. 272 00:58:50,778 --> 00:58:52,154 They're all active? 273 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:53,864 All active. 274 00:58:54,907 --> 00:58:58,369 when you study journalism, 275 00:58:58,410 --> 00:59:00,287 you take for granted that 276 00:59:00,329 --> 00:59:02,998 the government is going to be after you. 277 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,917 And we are the lucky ones 278 00:59:04,959 --> 00:59:07,962 use in so many regions in Mexico, 279 00:59:08,003 --> 00:59:10,381 they get a bullet, they don't get a message... 280 00:59:10,422 --> 00:59:11,966 They get a bullet. 281 00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:38,659 I'm not sure we can make the argument 282 00:59:38,701 --> 00:59:40,369 the NSO is enabling, 283 00:59:40,411 --> 00:59:42,955 in terms of operationalizing its surveillance 284 00:59:42,997 --> 00:59:44,248 into direct violence, 285 00:59:44,290 --> 00:59:46,500 is new territory, right? 286 00:59:47,418 --> 00:59:50,963 I mean the CIA and NSA do that all the time. 287 00:59:51,005 --> 00:59:53,549 What I think is new is that we can see the fingerprints 288 00:59:53,591 --> 00:59:54,883 and we can show it. 289 00:59:54,925 --> 00:59:57,303 I think that that points to something that 290 00:59:57,344 --> 00:59:59,388 I would say might be new territory, 291 00:59:59,430 --> 01:00:02,683 which is a private company manufacturing and selling 292 01:00:02,725 --> 01:00:05,436 nation state-level cyberweapons. 293 01:00:12,359 --> 01:00:15,738 There is something of a viral logic 294 01:00:15,779 --> 01:00:18,407 about this form of targeting 295 01:00:18,449 --> 01:00:22,077 in a way that it spreads between family members, 296 01:00:22,411 --> 01:00:26,165 but also the people that investigate those crimes. 297 01:00:26,206 --> 01:00:29,627 If we know that X activist was targeted on this date 298 01:00:29,668 --> 01:00:31,420 and then immediately following that, 299 01:00:31,462 --> 01:00:33,464 something physical happened... 300 01:00:33,505 --> 01:00:35,716 Like if one of those threads could be drawn 301 01:00:35,758 --> 01:00:36,634 through the database. 302 01:00:38,052 --> 01:00:39,970 This is the underlying logic of this investigation... 303 01:00:40,262 --> 01:00:43,307 Digital vs. physical violence. So let's start with that. 304 01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:45,517 Look at the same pattern, 305 01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:49,396 across in when and how does it happen in Mexico, 306 01:00:49,438 --> 01:00:53,776 when and how does this kind of relation happen in the UAE, 307 01:00:53,817 --> 01:00:56,278 when it happens in Rwanda, when it happens in India, 308 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,072 if you have data about that, 309 01:00:58,113 --> 01:01:00,658 and find a way to move 310 01:01:00,699 --> 01:01:03,285 between one field of operation to the other. 311 01:01:03,869 --> 01:01:07,164 All the information is there, but this is now 312 01:01:07,206 --> 01:01:09,208 the mobilization of the data. 313 01:01:09,249 --> 01:01:11,335 It is not now about simply plotting 314 01:01:11,377 --> 01:01:13,462 because this material is being plotted, 315 01:01:13,504 --> 01:01:16,006 political events are there plotted on a timeline, 316 01:01:16,048 --> 01:01:18,050 there are physical events... 317 01:01:18,092 --> 01:01:20,844 It's now you have all the strings, 318 01:01:20,886 --> 01:01:23,389 and now you start playing music on them. 319 01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:25,933 You go like, "I'm just gonna use these notes." 320 01:01:25,974 --> 01:01:28,560 Ta, ta, ta, ta... is targeting. 321 01:01:31,772 --> 01:01:33,691 I'm gonna zoom in a little. 322 01:01:33,982 --> 01:01:36,151 So if we go into the front view, 323 01:01:36,193 --> 01:01:38,570 here we have the field of Mexico... 324 01:01:39,071 --> 01:01:42,533 So, from on top, it appears just as a line... 325 01:01:44,201 --> 01:01:47,579 collapsed into a single field. So this is Mexico. 326 01:01:48,122 --> 01:01:51,291 But then if we view it from the side, 327 01:01:51,333 --> 01:01:54,878 we see all of the targets, all the people who've been targeted 328 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,006 by NSO software inside Mexico. 329 01:01:58,048 --> 01:02:00,551 So when we're seeing it in 3D, for example, 330 01:02:00,592 --> 01:02:05,139 we can see that some targets are operating in multiple fields, 331 01:02:05,180 --> 01:02:08,475 for example, Mazen and Citizen Lab operate 332 01:02:08,517 --> 01:02:11,645 in Mexico, Saudi Arabia and UAE. 333 01:02:11,687 --> 01:02:15,691 Our current database includes every event that we have 334 01:02:15,733 --> 01:02:18,902 which is an attack that's been performed using NSO software. 335 01:02:18,944 --> 01:02:20,821 And that database lists all the people 336 01:02:20,863 --> 01:02:22,865 that have been targeted by 337 01:02:22,906 --> 01:02:25,117 the state that has bought NSO software 338 01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:27,244 and is doing the targeting. 339 01:02:33,876 --> 01:02:36,253 I remember the moment when the project 340 01:02:36,295 --> 01:02:38,338 gained urgency in my mind, 341 01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:40,424 and that was with Fleming. 342 01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:45,637 This is NSO's first so-called "civilian product." 343 01:02:45,929 --> 01:02:49,641 It was described as a contact tracing tool to monitor both 344 01:02:49,683 --> 01:02:52,060 those who had caught Covid-19, 345 01:02:52,102 --> 01:02:56,231 but also those that they had come into contact with. 346 01:02:56,273 --> 01:03:00,611 It was reported that Fleming had been marketed to 347 01:03:00,652 --> 01:03:03,864 dozens of health ministries around the world. 348 01:03:05,741 --> 01:03:08,368 So, it was a set of alarm bells in my mind 349 01:03:08,410 --> 01:03:11,121 that the same cyber weapons manufacturer 350 01:03:11,163 --> 01:03:13,582 that had targeted former collaborators 351 01:03:13,624 --> 01:03:14,666 of Forensic Architecture, 352 01:03:16,126 --> 01:03:17,961 targeted my own personal friends and colleagues, 353 01:03:18,003 --> 01:03:20,714 and these are all human rights activists, 354 01:03:20,756 --> 01:03:23,634 researchers, lawyers, journalists... 355 01:03:23,675 --> 01:03:27,471 This same company is now offering its services 356 01:03:27,513 --> 01:03:31,350 to deal with private health details. 357 01:03:34,603 --> 01:03:38,774 When I first started working on these cases, 358 01:03:39,274 --> 01:03:41,902 it was clear that 359 01:03:41,944 --> 01:03:44,655 we're dealing with a company that 360 01:03:44,696 --> 01:03:47,699 does not have a lot of respect for human rights. 361 01:03:47,741 --> 01:03:50,994 Also if you look at the reporting about the company, 362 01:03:51,036 --> 01:03:52,496 the value of the company, 363 01:03:52,788 --> 01:03:54,665 the money that's involved, 364 01:03:54,706 --> 01:03:56,959 we're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. 365 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,919 Of course a lot of the people in Mexico 366 01:03:58,961 --> 01:04:01,797 that you represent have lost their jobs, 367 01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:04,633 they've had their offices broken into, 368 01:04:04,675 --> 01:04:06,927 they've had their partners killed. 369 01:04:06,969 --> 01:04:11,056 And so the state kills 43 students in Ayotzinapa, 370 01:04:11,098 --> 01:04:13,725 people report on it, they get hacked, 371 01:04:13,767 --> 01:04:16,854 lawyers get targeted, and so on. 372 01:04:16,895 --> 01:04:19,356 And so a lot of what we're seeing 373 01:04:19,398 --> 01:04:21,483 along the way is this escalation, 374 01:04:21,525 --> 01:04:24,027 this rise in the way that people are targeted. 375 01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:26,572 Not only they would gather information, 376 01:04:26,613 --> 01:04:28,991 but also they can send messages. 377 01:04:29,575 --> 01:04:35,664 So they can start managing your relationship with people 378 01:04:35,706 --> 01:04:39,209 by sending them all kind of information, 379 01:04:39,251 --> 01:04:42,087 messages that supposedly come from you. 380 01:04:42,129 --> 01:04:47,134 It's like somebody's sitting in your mind. 381 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,683 The NSO group stands for the 3 persons 382 01:04:54,725 --> 01:04:57,352 who founded the company in 2010. 383 01:04:57,394 --> 01:05:00,522 Shalev Hulio is the S in NSO and 384 01:05:00,564 --> 01:05:02,691 perhaps the more well-known of the three. 385 01:05:02,733 --> 01:05:05,485 He's not exactly a technical wizard. 386 01:05:05,527 --> 01:05:08,405 He did not serve in Unit 8200, 387 01:05:08,447 --> 01:05:11,325 which is the intelligence unit in the Israeli Army. 388 01:05:11,366 --> 01:05:13,452 But Shalev Hulio did serve in the Israeli Army, 389 01:05:13,493 --> 01:05:14,453 and as a commander, 390 01:05:15,913 --> 01:05:16,788 he was involved in a series of operations 391 01:05:16,830 --> 01:05:18,665 in the occupied West Bank. 392 01:05:18,707 --> 01:05:20,959 One of his operations was during the height 393 01:05:21,001 --> 01:05:23,545 of the Second Intifada in 2002, 394 01:05:23,587 --> 01:05:26,423 Operation Defensive Shield. 395 01:05:26,465 --> 01:05:29,051 extremely destructive operation 396 01:05:29,092 --> 01:05:31,470 involved sending soldiers 397 01:05:31,511 --> 01:05:35,015 straight through the walls of Palestinian homes, so 398 01:05:35,057 --> 01:05:36,683 instead of fighting their way 399 01:05:36,725 --> 01:05:38,310 through the alleyways of the camp, 400 01:05:38,352 --> 01:05:41,104 Israeli soldiers would smash their way 401 01:05:41,146 --> 01:05:43,607 through civilian homes to clear a path, 402 01:05:43,649 --> 01:05:46,777 blasting their way through the built environment, 403 01:05:46,818 --> 01:05:50,405 and mobilizing people's homes against their bodies. 404 01:05:58,830 --> 01:06:02,417 Do you currently...? Do you hold a security clearance right now? 405 01:06:02,459 --> 01:06:06,004 Nope, I've been this whistleblower guy in the past. 406 01:06:06,046 --> 01:06:09,383 My interests lie in helping to get 407 01:06:09,424 --> 01:06:11,843 whatever should be public, public. 408 01:06:12,761 --> 01:06:15,097 So you can think of me as a 409 01:06:15,138 --> 01:06:18,141 solutions executive with a software company. 410 01:06:18,183 --> 01:06:21,269 What it boiled down to was that we had access to the networks, 411 01:06:21,311 --> 01:06:23,730 and NSO was looking for access. 412 01:06:23,772 --> 01:06:25,983 So the access to the network would be... 413 01:06:26,024 --> 01:06:28,777 They would get a global title. 414 01:06:28,819 --> 01:06:30,654 They would have a piece of software into it 415 01:06:30,696 --> 01:06:31,738 that would have access 416 01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:33,865 to the live operator network. 417 01:06:34,408 --> 01:06:36,034 This was a conference call. 418 01:06:36,076 --> 01:06:39,371 They were very hesitant to share their names. 419 01:06:39,413 --> 01:06:41,790 I took their names and email addresses 420 01:06:41,832 --> 01:06:44,292 just in the event something bad were to happen. 421 01:06:44,751 --> 01:06:47,212 So I met with all these people... 422 01:06:47,254 --> 01:06:50,215 Omri, Eddy Shalev, Eran Gorev... 423 01:06:51,466 --> 01:06:52,718 Wow. 424 01:06:54,261 --> 01:06:56,263 There's a tremendous amount of value in that, 425 01:06:56,304 --> 01:06:59,516 to get access to operator signaling networks. 426 01:06:59,558 --> 01:07:01,476 It made me very uncomfortable. 427 01:07:02,728 --> 01:07:06,023 I did reach out to the FBI, multiple times... 428 01:07:06,064 --> 01:07:09,067 Do you know what happened with that information? 429 01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:12,571 I don't know, it was very silent after that. 430 01:07:13,780 --> 01:07:16,825 It's gonna take a second to process this. 431 01:07:16,867 --> 01:07:18,577 And are you in a position 432 01:07:18,618 --> 01:07:20,912 where you could provide access globally 433 01:07:20,954 --> 01:07:23,582 or just in the US or in what countries? 434 01:07:24,750 --> 01:07:25,876 Globally. 435 01:07:27,627 --> 01:07:29,337 In July, I had a meeting with some executives at the NSO Group 436 01:07:29,379 --> 01:07:32,132 who provides black box spyware for global governments... 437 01:07:32,174 --> 01:07:35,594 They requested access to mobile networks via our software 438 01:07:35,635 --> 01:07:38,013 and offered cash payments... 439 01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:50,776 Hey, it's me. 440 01:07:50,817 --> 01:07:53,361 So I'm having all these flashbacks. 441 01:07:53,403 --> 01:07:55,947 The first time Snowden contacted me, 442 01:07:55,989 --> 01:07:58,992 I was sitting here, I was in this room. 443 01:08:00,494 --> 01:08:03,205 There was a kind of demarcation 444 01:08:03,246 --> 01:08:06,166 of my life, before and after. 445 01:08:06,583 --> 01:08:07,959 Those I could trust, 446 01:08:08,001 --> 01:08:10,337 and then people who enter my life after, 447 01:08:10,378 --> 01:08:13,090 who are always in question, right? 448 01:08:13,131 --> 01:08:14,508 Uhmm... 449 01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:16,718 And even the people you knew before 450 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,553 can always be flipped. 451 01:08:21,681 --> 01:08:23,016 And so... 452 01:08:24,184 --> 01:08:27,145 Listening to people tell this story 453 01:08:27,187 --> 01:08:29,397 about this kind of surveillance... 454 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,734 It just hits home, right? It's super unnerving. 455 01:08:38,115 --> 01:08:40,784 from my country under 456 01:08:40,826 --> 01:08:43,161 the risk of being arrested. 457 01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:48,708 The field that I'm focusing on, it's a very sensitive field. 458 01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:54,798 I'm trying to record the violations of human rights, 459 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,093 how they treat prisoners, detainees, 460 01:08:58,135 --> 01:09:00,137 if they were tortured... 461 01:09:00,178 --> 01:09:03,807 And my father, he is one of the detainees so 462 01:09:03,849 --> 01:09:07,853 I want to speak about him, and raise his case. 463 01:09:07,894 --> 01:09:11,523 And I'm his daughter, I have to do something. 464 01:09:11,565 --> 01:09:12,941 I have to tell you, 465 01:09:12,983 --> 01:09:15,277 as you're talking I'm trying to... 466 01:09:15,318 --> 01:09:17,904 Laura has definitely her experiences 467 01:09:17,946 --> 01:09:20,866 targeted and surveilled. 468 01:09:20,907 --> 01:09:25,370 My experiences with state violence are... 469 01:09:25,662 --> 01:09:27,956 have so far been more physical. 470 01:09:28,248 --> 01:09:31,293 In my family, we left Iran when we were young, 471 01:09:31,334 --> 01:09:34,629 and I'm just thinking that we left for political reasons, 472 01:09:34,671 --> 01:09:36,840 my parents were both political prisoners, 473 01:09:36,882 --> 01:09:39,718 and when we came here, we continued our politics... 474 01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:41,761 We would go to protest every week 475 01:09:41,803 --> 01:09:44,222 with other Iranian, Afghan... 476 01:09:44,598 --> 01:09:47,142 Kurdish refugees. 477 01:09:47,434 --> 01:09:49,102 My mother was part of the 478 01:09:49,144 --> 01:09:51,688 International Federation of Iranian Refugees, 479 01:09:51,730 --> 01:09:55,192 and she did it here because she was away from Iran. 480 01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:57,569 If she were to do that today, 481 01:09:57,611 --> 01:09:59,988 the Islamic Republic would be able to 482 01:10:00,030 --> 01:10:03,200 reach out and touch her, so to speak, 483 01:10:03,241 --> 01:10:05,243 in the way that your home government 484 01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:07,537 is reaching out and touching you. 485 01:10:07,579 --> 01:10:12,417 It's a completely different ball game for activists, 486 01:10:12,459 --> 01:10:16,213 and especially activists coming from places where... 487 01:10:17,464 --> 01:10:21,384 There is much more of a physical cost in resisting. 488 01:11:03,677 --> 01:11:05,512 between digital violence 489 01:11:05,553 --> 01:11:06,972 and physical violence 490 01:11:07,013 --> 01:11:09,557 becomes the most clear when we look at the cases 491 01:11:09,599 --> 01:11:11,393 from Saudi Arabia. 492 01:11:18,900 --> 01:11:20,944 He's writing articles, he's doing columns, 493 01:11:20,986 --> 01:11:22,028 he's giving talks. 494 01:11:23,363 --> 01:11:25,407 Then Omar Abdulazziz and Khashoggi communicate, 495 01:11:25,448 --> 01:11:26,825 and right after that, 496 01:11:26,866 --> 01:11:28,743 Abdulazziz gets targeted digitally. 497 01:11:29,035 --> 01:11:32,289 They communicated almost on a daily basis. 498 01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:35,000 That means that all the messages 499 01:11:35,041 --> 01:11:37,752 that they exchanged were there to be hacked 500 01:11:37,794 --> 01:11:40,463 because they were all saved on the WhatsApp account. 501 01:11:40,505 --> 01:11:44,926 That was a treasure that the government of Saudi Arabia found 502 01:11:44,968 --> 01:11:49,514 because they just discovered the nature of the relationship 503 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,435 between two big dissidents. 504 01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:57,439 One month before they killed him, 505 01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:00,734 he sent me a private message on Twitter 506 01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:04,779 when I was attacked by Saudi bots and trolls. 507 01:12:05,697 --> 01:12:08,992 He told me, "Ghada, block them, 508 01:12:09,034 --> 01:12:11,870 "ignore them, and don't get upset. 509 01:12:11,911 --> 01:12:13,997 "Just block them like I do." 510 01:12:16,541 --> 01:12:19,085 And every day, the more we discovered 511 01:12:19,127 --> 01:12:21,546 what happened to him and how he was... 512 01:12:21,588 --> 01:12:24,883 how he went in, how they told him to sit down, 513 01:12:24,924 --> 01:12:27,385 how they came with the saw, 514 01:12:27,427 --> 01:12:30,680 how... when they started to... 515 01:12:35,393 --> 01:12:39,105 When he couldn't breathe, and then, you know, I was... 516 01:12:40,065 --> 01:12:43,193 The details, you know, it was so... 517 01:12:43,943 --> 01:12:48,198 I don't know how to describe it actually, it's a nightmare. 518 01:12:51,493 --> 01:12:55,163 My heart starts beating and I say, "God, please... 519 01:12:55,747 --> 01:12:59,125 "Let it be quickly, let me read something 520 01:12:59,167 --> 01:13:00,919 "that says he didn't suffer." 521 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,714 He didn't have time to realize that he was killed 522 01:13:04,756 --> 01:13:08,385 by his own government, by his own people. 523 01:13:14,724 --> 01:13:19,145 This assassination was empowered with Israeli software, 524 01:13:19,187 --> 01:13:22,482 and since then, Saudi Arabia hasn't paid a price 525 01:13:22,524 --> 01:13:25,151 because of its alliances with America, 526 01:13:25,193 --> 01:13:28,154 investments in Europe, and so on. 527 01:13:28,196 --> 01:13:33,076 So it's really the dispensability of our lives. 528 01:13:33,118 --> 01:13:35,703 That's something that became very clear. 529 01:14:00,687 --> 01:14:02,647 Officially on the record, 530 01:14:02,689 --> 01:14:06,234 NSO isn't allowed to operate in the United States. 531 01:14:06,276 --> 01:14:09,195 But it's attempted to enter American markets 532 01:14:09,237 --> 01:14:11,197 for the sale of its hacking software 533 01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:14,033 at least a couple of times that we know about. 534 01:14:14,075 --> 01:14:17,871 In 2016, they reached out to the San Diego Police Department 535 01:14:17,912 --> 01:14:20,999 to sell a version of Pegasus called Phantom. 536 01:14:43,062 --> 01:14:47,066 The brochure for Phantom boasts that it can intercept calls, 537 01:14:47,108 --> 01:14:48,818 do location tracking, 538 01:14:48,860 --> 01:14:50,612 access a person's messages, 539 01:14:50,653 --> 01:14:52,780 their browsing history, their social networks, 540 01:14:52,822 --> 01:14:54,449 their contact lists. 541 01:14:54,491 --> 01:14:57,660 So, we now know there is an appetite from the U.S. police 542 01:14:57,702 --> 01:14:59,662 for these kinds of tools. 543 01:15:00,497 --> 01:15:02,457 But in the context of a pandemic, 544 01:15:02,499 --> 01:15:05,001 where we are seeing rising inequality, 545 01:15:05,043 --> 01:15:08,129 in a context where communities are protesting en masse 546 01:15:08,171 --> 01:15:09,797 against racialized policing, 547 01:15:09,839 --> 01:15:11,925 it's extremely fucking scary 548 01:15:11,966 --> 01:15:14,469 what incredible damage 549 01:15:14,511 --> 01:15:16,763 tools like Pegasus and Phantom 550 01:15:16,804 --> 01:15:19,807 can do in the hands of law enforcement. 551 01:33:37,863 --> 01:33:39,281 Dear Clyde, 552 01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:42,159 Your brother didn't make it. 553 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,369 I don't have all the details, 554 01:33:44,411 --> 01:33:46,997 but I wanted you to hear it from me first. 555 01:33:47,331 --> 01:33:49,625 The Lord's been looking out for me, 556 01:33:49,666 --> 01:33:51,918 and I guess He saw it fit to let me know. 557 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:56,006 He's called my sweet boy, your brother, to His side. 558 01:33:56,423 --> 01:33:58,550 As you know, he was doing poorly, 559 01:33:58,592 --> 01:34:00,385 but I'd hoped he'd hang in there until 560 01:34:00,427 --> 01:34:02,262 I made it back to fetch him. 561 01:34:02,304 --> 01:34:04,514 I guess it wasn't meant to be. 562 01:34:04,848 --> 01:34:06,558 I'll be... 563 01:34:20,739 --> 01:34:22,366 I'll be hitting the road in the morning 564 01:34:22,407 --> 01:34:24,201 to see him one last time 565 01:34:24,242 --> 01:34:25,827 before they bury him. 566 01:34:29,998 --> 01:34:33,001 I will let you know what I find out. 567 01:34:33,794 --> 01:34:35,504 Love, Dad. 568 01:34:40,842 --> 01:34:42,219 Dear Clyde, 569 01:34:43,261 --> 01:34:45,389 I saw your brother today. 570 01:34:45,847 --> 01:34:47,849 They had him set up in the church, 571 01:34:47,891 --> 01:34:50,018 him and all the rest of the dead. 572 01:34:50,727 --> 01:34:54,106 They wouldn't let me through the door for fear of catching it 573 01:34:54,147 --> 01:34:57,275 but I could see him from the threshold. 574 01:34:58,276 --> 01:35:00,028 So tiny. 575 01:35:00,904 --> 01:35:03,532 Just like he always was. 576 01:35:05,075 --> 01:35:07,953 They didn't tell me they were Presbyterians. 577 01:35:08,412 --> 01:35:10,914 I don't know how I feel about that. 578 01:35:11,206 --> 01:35:13,333 I don't know how I feel about them being the ones 579 01:35:13,375 --> 01:35:15,001 to bury him neither. 580 01:35:15,043 --> 01:35:16,878 But they say they can't release any of them bodies 581 01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,714 that don't have kin, 582 01:35:18,755 --> 01:35:21,925 be they Baptists, or Catholic or Buddhists even. 583 01:35:23,635 --> 01:35:25,470 Those are the rules. 584 01:35:27,764 --> 01:35:30,434 It was strange being back in a church. 585 01:35:31,351 --> 01:35:33,311 I didn't feel unwelcome. 586 01:35:33,645 --> 01:35:36,022 Nor did they cast an untowards eye at me 587 01:35:36,064 --> 01:35:37,649 when they heard my name. 588 01:35:37,941 --> 01:35:40,444 Maybe they don't know who I am. 589 01:35:40,485 --> 01:35:42,779 Wouldn't that be something? 590 01:35:43,864 --> 01:35:45,741 they're just being kind. 591 01:35:49,870 --> 01:35:52,247 I haven't led the best life... 592 01:35:52,873 --> 01:35:55,041 I know you know this, 593 01:35:55,083 --> 01:35:58,336 but I hope some day we can talk about it. 594 01:35:59,421 --> 01:36:02,632 I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. 595 01:36:02,674 --> 01:36:06,344 Or, if not that, then to understand me. 596 01:36:07,179 --> 01:36:10,807 And think of me with something that isn't disappointment. 597 01:36:13,643 --> 01:36:15,854 A fellow just walked through here with his face 598 01:36:15,896 --> 01:36:17,439 all cut to pieces. 599 01:36:17,773 --> 01:36:19,983 I wonder what his story is. 600 01:36:20,650 --> 01:36:22,652 I look at the world sometimes and 601 01:36:22,694 --> 01:36:25,822 think it a wonder that I still recognize it. 602 01:36:27,449 --> 01:36:30,118 I wonder if I'd recognize you. 603 01:36:32,454 --> 01:36:34,039 I would call you if I had your number. 604 01:36:34,331 --> 01:36:35,123 But... 605 01:36:36,583 --> 01:36:38,502 Long silences are best endured in person. 606 01:36:39,085 --> 01:36:42,339 And I imagine, you and I, we'd have plenty of those. 607 01:36:43,173 --> 01:36:46,593 If you want to write, you can do so in care of 608 01:36:46,635 --> 01:36:49,221 the St. James Presbyterian Church... 609 01:36:49,262 --> 01:36:51,014 in Mildred. 610 01:36:51,056 --> 01:36:52,641 That's where your brother is. 611 01:36:52,682 --> 01:36:55,352 And that's where you'll be able to find me, 612 01:36:55,393 --> 01:36:57,854 at least until he's good and buried. 613 01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:01,233 Please do write. 614 01:37:01,566 --> 01:37:02,776 Let me know you got this. 615 01:37:04,277 --> 01:37:05,862 Please leave your message... 616 01:37:06,196 --> 01:37:08,490 Love, Dad. 617 01:37:15,038 --> 01:37:17,374 Clyde, I took him. 618 01:37:21,211 --> 01:37:23,046 I couldn't let them do it. 619 01:37:23,338 --> 01:37:25,048 It just wasn't right. 620 01:37:25,674 --> 01:37:27,717 I didn't make a fuss about it. 621 01:37:27,759 --> 01:37:30,136 stole into the rectory at night, 622 01:37:30,428 --> 01:37:32,597 took his body in my arms, 623 01:37:33,056 --> 01:37:35,350 and bore him out of there. 624 01:37:35,392 --> 01:37:37,811 I was going to drive him back to Texas because 625 01:37:37,853 --> 01:37:40,188 I wanted to bury him next to your Ma. 626 01:37:40,897 --> 01:37:43,483 But before I even got to the border, 627 01:37:43,525 --> 01:37:46,403 that poor boy started to turn foul. 628 01:37:47,821 --> 01:37:51,491 I wrapped him in his sheet and found a good spot for him... 629 01:37:52,409 --> 01:37:54,327 where he'd be safe. 630 01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:59,499 It's too late for me now, but I got this notion that, 631 01:37:59,541 --> 01:38:01,835 you might finish what I started. 632 01:38:02,711 --> 01:38:05,463 It wouldn't be hard to find him if you knew where to look, 633 01:38:05,505 --> 01:38:07,591 so I drew you this map. 634 01:38:07,632 --> 01:38:10,135 Take the highway west out of Dallas, 635 01:38:10,176 --> 01:38:12,137 until you get to Neta Road. 636 01:38:12,178 --> 01:38:13,221 Go north. 637 01:38:14,681 --> 01:38:15,307 When you get to the church on your left, 638 01:38:16,766 --> 01:38:18,310 look for the old wagon path on the right. 639 01:38:18,351 --> 01:38:20,896 And take that until you get to the river. 640 01:38:20,937 --> 01:38:23,273 Stop when you get to the end of it. 641 01:38:23,315 --> 01:38:25,191 Thirteen paces from the river, 642 01:38:25,233 --> 01:38:28,862 between the two tallest elms is where I buried him. 643 01:38:29,154 --> 01:38:32,490 Deep enough that the coyotes won't find him. 644 01:38:32,782 --> 01:38:36,453 But not so deep that you'll have to dig for long. 645 01:38:39,205 --> 01:38:40,790 If you were to fetch him, 646 01:38:40,832 --> 01:38:43,460 and take him back to where he belongs, 647 01:38:44,252 --> 01:38:46,129 I could rest easy. 648 01:38:46,171 --> 01:38:49,507 I could say I've done all I need to do in this world. 649 01:38:49,549 --> 01:38:51,593 But don't do it for me. 650 01:38:52,260 --> 01:38:54,346 He loved you so. 651 01:38:55,597 --> 01:38:57,390 And even now, 652 01:38:57,766 --> 01:38:59,684 under all that dirt, 653 01:39:00,810 --> 01:39:03,271 I know he doesn't want to be alone. 654 01:39:05,523 --> 01:39:08,443 I trust these letters are making their way to you. 655 01:39:08,944 --> 01:39:12,030 I trust you've been hearing what people say about me, too. 656 01:39:12,072 --> 01:39:15,367 But I hope you know there's more to me than that. 657 01:39:15,825 --> 01:39:19,829 I think back often to the last time we were all together. 658 01:39:19,871 --> 01:39:22,499 You and me and your brother. 659 01:39:22,958 --> 01:39:24,709 And your Ma... 660 01:39:24,751 --> 01:39:27,504 in that little house in Medford. 661 01:39:28,838 --> 01:39:33,259 Even back then, I was failing every step I took. 662 01:39:34,636 --> 01:39:37,973 But with you two, I got things right. 663 01:39:39,641 --> 01:39:40,934 Clyde. 664 01:39:41,476 --> 01:39:43,436 I won't write again. 665 01:39:44,688 --> 01:39:46,773 But know that I love you. 666 01:39:47,732 --> 01:39:49,567 I surely do. 667 01:41:29,667 --> 01:41:31,878 Dear Clyde... 668 01:41:34,214 --> 01:41:37,092 Daddy said you'd be coming. 669 01:41:39,594 --> 01:41:42,555 said you'd be coming to get me. 670 01:41:44,015 --> 01:41:46,392 I can hear you digging. 671 01:41:47,977 --> 01:41:50,688 I can hear you getting closer. 672 01:41:51,064 --> 01:41:52,148 And... 673 01:41:52,732 --> 01:41:55,527 I wish I could tell you to stop. 674 01:41:58,446 --> 01:42:01,533 wish I could tell you I'm happy. 675 01:42:01,866 --> 01:42:04,661 And that I just want to go on resting. 676 01:42:06,788 --> 01:42:09,165 But I guess I can't. 677 01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,002 'Cause there you are. 678 01:42:18,007 --> 01:42:19,968 And I don't know... 679 01:42:22,595 --> 01:42:25,223 You look different than I remember. 680 01:42:28,726 --> 01:42:31,396 I wonder what happened to you. 681 01:42:35,441 --> 01:42:38,611 what the world looks like now. 682 01:42:46,369 --> 01:42:48,955 I guess you'll tell me what's changed, 683 01:42:48,997 --> 01:42:51,416 and what I missed out on. 684 01:42:53,543 --> 01:42:56,337 I didn't much like things the way they were 685 01:42:56,379 --> 01:42:58,464 when Daddy was around. 686 01:42:58,506 --> 01:43:00,925 But maybe that was because of him. 687 01:43:06,681 --> 01:43:09,809 that was just everyone. 688 01:43:14,272 --> 01:43:16,524 f the people I thought were good 689 01:43:16,566 --> 01:43:18,651 turned out to be bad. 690 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,946 And I just want to sleep... 691 01:43:21,988 --> 01:43:24,824 so that I wouldn't have to see them. 692 01:43:26,117 --> 01:43:29,162 I remember this one lady... 693 01:43:29,746 --> 01:43:33,458 She would take me to the window and let me look out. 694 01:43:33,499 --> 01:43:35,960 And there were birds in the sky. 695 01:43:36,419 --> 01:43:38,838 And even though it hurt so bad, 696 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,049 she would look at me and say, 697 01:43:41,090 --> 01:43:44,510 "Well, at least it's a beautiful day." 698 01:43:45,762 --> 01:43:48,389 it's a beautiful day." 699 01:43:49,015 --> 01:43:51,100 But I don't know if it was. 700 01:43:52,268 --> 01:43:54,729 I don't know if it ever was. 701 01:43:55,313 --> 01:43:58,483 I don't know if it ever will be again. 702 01:44:01,402 --> 01:44:02,612 Will it? 703 01:44:08,910 --> 01:44:12,538 But she would go on smiling all the same. 704 01:44:12,956 --> 01:44:16,584 And we'd sit and look out the window. 705 01:44:17,043 --> 01:44:19,295 And watch it get dark. 706 01:45:54,682 --> 01:46:00,813 Night Colonies 707 02:00:59,086 --> 02:01:00,921 Captioning: Mistral Artist 49409

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