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All right. Buckle your seatbelt.
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This is gonna be the bet.
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If I won,
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I get to come over to your
house with my bag of goodies.
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Uh, inside my bag of goodies
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there are several different
bundles of shibari rope.
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Shibari is the Japanese
art of rope bondage.
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My bet was going to involve
showing up at your place
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and completely tying you
up and incapacitating you
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and then being able
to do whatever I wanted
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to every single hole in your
body until I was done with you.
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Trouble for Golden
Globe nominee, Armie Hammer,
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known for his roles in The Social
Network and Call Me By Your Name.
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Disturbing and racy
messages allegedly sent to women
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by the actor Armie Hammer
are trending on Twitter.
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Shocking DM's allegedly sent from
Armie Hammer's public accounts
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are going viral on social media.
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How did Armie Hammer
go from Hollywood golden boy
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to an alleged abuser?
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The actor Armie Hammer
has been confirmed as the suspect
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in an alleged
sexual assault case
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by the Los Angeles
Police Department.
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I thought we were all joking about
that Armie Hammer stuff, but that's real?
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I just found out
that that's real.
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I have a new development, his
aunt wrote a book about their family,
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and let me tell you, this
stuff didn't start with Armie.
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I know my
grandfather had a dark side,
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but I saw my father's
dark side firsthand,
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and I've seen my
brother's dark side.
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And I've just heard about
Armie's dark side, but I believe it.
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More. One more.
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Every generation in my family
has been involved in dark misdeeds...
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and it just gets worse
and worse and worse.
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My name's Courtney Vucekovich,
um, I am from Dallas, Texas.
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I am the CEO and founder
of an app called FLASHD.
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I started that in 2017.
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I'm here to talk about...
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what happened in my
relationship with Armie Hammer.
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I would love to be
able to paint a picture
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of the red flags
that I saw and...
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what happened in order
for me to get in the mindset
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where I was almost fully
controlled by somebody.
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I had lost my
entire sense of self.
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You're his. Completely.
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I think it was November,
December, 2019.
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I remember the Christmas
lights in Highland Park Village.
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They light up. It's
super gorgeous.
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I'm just trying to enjoy a night
with my friends at a bar in Dallas.
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Then my friend's like, "That's Armie
Hammer, from the Facebook movie."
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I didn't know who he
was. Like, he was tall,
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and he didn't dress like a frat boy, so I
was like, "Wow, yeah. He's super cute."
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We, like, saw each
other in passing, like,
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spoke very briefly at the
bar, and then I go home.
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Then I woke up the next morning,
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and he had added
me on Instagram.
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I followed him back, and just sat there
from afar looking at each other's lives.
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He acts very goofy. I remember
being like, "This is fun."
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It made him feel interesting.
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Breaking news tonight as
the COVID-19 virus continues to spread,
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forcing millions of
Americans into lockdown,
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non-essential business
ordered to close.
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COVID happened
in March, so with everything shut down,
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my business was on pause.
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So you're like, sitting
there with your thoughts.
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It was difficult, and
then June 2020,
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I get an Armie Hammer
DM, a little blue checkmark.
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He just chose to speak to me
one day, so I was like, "Hmm."
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You know, my brain, I'm like...
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"I've been doing
nothing for a month.
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It's COVID. This
is interesting."
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But I was very hesitant
because I see the persona
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that was public, was he's
married and that he's the father
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of these two beautiful kids.
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So I was like, "Aren't
you married?" You know?
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He's like, "My wife and I, we have
been separated for almost two years."
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I've been living in New
York. She lives in LA.
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And I believed it
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because he would
send me text messages
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and call me every day,
constant communication.
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The second he woke up to we'd
fall asleep on the phone together.
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And immediately he was just
sharing all these things with me,
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intimate details
about his parents,
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family secrets, and I'm like,
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"Wow, this is, like, really powerful.
He must feel, like, really safe."
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In return, I felt very
safe telling him mine.
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I had gotten out of a really,
really, toxic relationship.
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And we were sharing
just very intimate things.
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A lot of the things we shared were
trauma we experienced as children.
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And it is even a
deeper connection,
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like, really, like, rooted
those bonds for me,
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that he was so vulnerable to
share something like this with me,
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because I'd never told anybody.
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I wanted to help him.
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At the same time, he's
blowing me up with compliments.
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"How could you be this
beautiful? This smart? So funny?
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You're such a good
listener. You get me."
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It's like, he's like, "I feel such
an intense connection with you.
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Is that crazy? Are
we being crazy?"
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And I'm just like,
"Maybe we are."
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Between the love
bombing and the attention,
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I felt like this
was all perfect,
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this was amazing, this was,
like, what we're all taught to think
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is a fairy tale
when we're little.
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Not only is he an actor, a
pretty well-known actor...
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he was gorgeous and tall
and... What does he want with me?
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You know, to say, to say that
it didn't have an effect would...
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I think it would have
an effect on anybody.
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Unfortunately, Armie Hammer can't
be here today, which is probably better
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because we'd all
be staring at him
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since he's such a God damn hunk.
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There's, like, certain people
that if they shine their light on you,
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you believe, like, you're
the only person in the room.
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There is an element
of that to Armie.
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I know Armie
through acting class.
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We were in the same Tuesday
night acting class for years.
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I got to watch his,
kind of, rise to stardom.
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Armie had bit player
roles in the beginning.
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He would have a couple of lines,
you know? It builds a resume.
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Hey! Star dork.
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And then he got
Gossip Girl, and that was, what?
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Like, a couple of episodes?
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But we were all in
the same kind of boat.
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We were all just scrambling
to try to get auditions.
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The Social Network auditions
kinda hit like a tornado.
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Everybody was auditioning for these roles,
you know? This is a great opportunity.
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Armie was cast as
the Winklevoss twins.
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They had the idea for
Facebook on the Harvard campus.
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You know, the attributes are tall,
good-looking, comes from extreme wealth.
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Armie has all of those.
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And I do remember
hearing that David Fincher,
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the director of The Social
Network, liked Armie's pedigree.
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These are millionaires.
Who knows better than that
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than a descendant
of Armand Hammer?
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I just can't get over what a
great name "Armie Hammer" is.
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It's just a really hard name
to be when you're like, five.
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Especially 'cause it's,
like, short for "Armand."
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Which is, like, a big
name for a little kid, so...
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- You were named for your great grandfather...
- Yeah.
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Who was the billionaire owner
of, uh, Occidental Petroleum.
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- Yes.
- Which sounds like the bad corporation
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in a Batman movie, by the way.
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Armie didn't like speaking
about his family or his history.
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Having lived
in Hollywood for twenty years,
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you see the name Hammer
on museums and on parks.
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So I knew their family had
a lot of money and power.
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My name is Seth Abramovitch,
and I'm a journalist.
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I write for the
Hollywood Reporter.
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When I interviewed Armie, he was in
awards contention for Call Me By Your Name,
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and was on that teetering cusp
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of establishing himself as a force to
be contended with within Hollywood.
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We started at Holmby Park
in Westwood, at his request.
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There's a big sign that says, "The
Armand Hammer Golf Course."
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I was like, "Look, it's your
great grandfather's name."
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Dr. Armand Hammer
has parlayed outstanding private success
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into public power as a Chairman
and CEO of Occidental Petroleum,
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a diversified $16
billion company.
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Dr. Armand Hammer is one of
the world's leading capitalists.
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Armie's a very
handsome actor who came out of privilege,
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and the history of his
family is very interesting.
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He did not have a
typical childhood.
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So right away I was
intrigued by this person was.
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Armie was born in
Santa Monica, California,
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and he said his father
made an unusual decision,
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which was to move the
family to the Cayman Islands.
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He and his young brother were
brought there from a young age.
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I was curious why out of all the
places in the world, the Cayman Islands.
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I associate the Cayman Islands with offshore
bank accounts that sort of can't be touched.
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So I assumed it was
something financial.
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They returned to Los Angeles,
I think he was in seventh grade,
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and Armie started pursuing
this idea that he had
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when he was younger, which
was that he wanted to be an actor.
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The Social Network
absolutely launched his career.
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He was starring opposite Justin
Timberlake, Andrew Garfield.
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It was the movie of the year.
That was what made him.
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I remember bumping into
him, and all of a sudden
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there's Armie in
a three-piece suit,
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looking amazing,
looking like a movie star.
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It's official. I have arrived.
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And Elizabeth was with him.
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- I'm here with my beautiful wife.
- Hi.
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The roles just kept coming where he
was always playing the handsome man...
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but the problem
was it was a wave
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of box office bombs after bombs.
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You know, these
movies weren't hitting.
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What movie besides Social
Network had really made money?
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Thankfully, Call Me By Your Name
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happened and got
him buzzing again.
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There was this
buzz everywhere you looked
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in the run-up to this
movie coming out.
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It just sounded very
daring, very sexy.
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The two of
them together being sexual on screen
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was going to make
headlines no matter what.
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He already
was taking a real risk.
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Hollywood loves when an
actor takes a risk like that,
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and so that buzz is really
what pushed him onto our cover.
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You were reading about him
all the time. People cared about him more.
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He, of course, was doing
massive press for the movie
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because he was on
on Oscar campaign.
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Your fans want to hear from you.
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At the time, you
could say Armie started
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cosplaying the life of kind of
a perfect movie star, if you will.
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He seemed to be doing
things the exact right way.
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He had the picture
perfect marriage he had two children.
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Everything he described was
very much lovey dovey fairy tale.
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He came from this family of wealth and
privilege, and his career was swimming.
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Generally, you did not get
the whiff of scandal around him.
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There was one thing
that repeatedly came up
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when I talked to people and
told them I was profiling him,
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and it was about, that he had a
sort of edgy interest in BDSM sex.
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I did bring it up, and he shut
me down pretty decisively.
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He said he has less of a comment
than even if he had no comment.
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Julia...
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are you okay to
bring up your phone
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- so we can talk about some of those examples?
- Yeah.
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I haven't
really digested this one.
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He says...
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"I have a fantasy about having
someone prove their love and devotion
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and tying them up in a public place
at night and making their body free use
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and seeing if they will
fuck strangers for me."
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When I first saw that
Armie Hammer was following me,
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it was about a week
before quarantine,
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and I looked up his
Instagram, and I said,
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"Oh, it's the guy from
The Social Network."
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Like, you know, he's a big movie star,
he was just in Call Me By Your Name.
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I opened up my messages with
the intention of saying, you know,
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"Hey, thanks for the follow."
Or something like that.
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And I had seen that he had
already messaged me in 2017.
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And it was this long message.
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He was inquiring about a
series of photographs of me.
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And when I reached out back to
him, almost exactly three years later...
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he got back to
me within an hour,
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and then we just
started talking.
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My name is Julia Morrison.
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I am a artist and writer, uh, based
in New York and Los Angeles.
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That series of artworks
is titled For Arabella,
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by an artist named Sarah Bahbah.
237
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They are about a toxic relationship
and breaking free from that.
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You have, you know,
very existentialist sorts
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of captions with
beautiful girls.
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A lot of them are
quite provocative.
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I did ash him which artworks of
that series he was most drawn in by.
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He said he liked that
photo of me being choked.
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He started saying things
like, "God, you're so perfect.
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It's like you were made for me."
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Which is ironic because, you know,
he just completely missed the message.
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Being a young
woman in this industry
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where you're modeling,
acting, making art,
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people will shower you with
compliments, and you're like,
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"Oh, yeah. Well, my
shit's tight." You know?
250
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"Like, why wouldn't they
be obsessed with me?"
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So, like, I mean, I don't want
to sound, like, totally full of myself,
252
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but, no, I was not fully alarmed
at first. I was more intrigued.
253
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He invited me to a
play really early on.
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I mean, within a few hours,
really, of our conversation was,
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you know, "Oh, are
you in New York?
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I'm working on a play
here. Do you want to come?"
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And I was interested in going,
and then lockdown happened.
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Shortly after that, things
became sexual in conversation.
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It didn't really seem that
unnatural at first for me
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because of the context of the times that
we were going through in that moment.
261
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You know, my friends were
telling me about Zoom dates
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and phone sex with so and
so from, you know, Hinge or Tinder,
263
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and I'm, you know,
speaking with Armie Hammer
264
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like this in my Instagram DM's.
265
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Once the sexual nature
of the DM's started,
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it was all that he ever
wanted to talk about.
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He says to me, "Fine,
let's be open and honest.
268
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"I've wanted to tie you up since
I saw those god damn pictures
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and messaged you about it."
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"Shibari is how it's spelled.
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It's the Japanese
art of rope bondage
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with its cousin Kinbaku."
For total restraint.
273
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And then he was
saying to me about how
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if I were to submit to him, um,
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at the level of, uh,
where he could, you know,
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call me and say one word
and get me to come on demand,
277
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um, like Pavlovian dog style.
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Like, kind of getting you into
this, like, submissive space
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where, like, you know,
he's, you know, the dominant.
280
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These are messages that are being sent
literally within seconds of each other.
281
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You know, very heavy
and very frequent.
282
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"Let me take care
of everything?"
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"You don't think or worry about
anything except being a good little pet.
284
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My own personal little slave."
285
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"In return you will be
worshipped, fed, and fucked."
286
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I was like, like.
287
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But those little
hearts just means
288
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that you're engaged or
that you even received it.
289
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That's totally different
than actually being, like,
290
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in a intimate space
with someone.
291
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All of that very forward
talk was just kind of, like,
292
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back and forth like
that for six months.
293
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But I did google and see that
he had, you know, had a family,
294
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and so I figured a
man who's married
295
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who is doing that with me, I'm not naive
enough to think that I'm the only one.
296
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For July 4th, he
tells me he was doing this road trip.
297
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He was going Miami to LA, and
he's gonna cross through Texas.
298
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And I have had plans to go into
the Hamptons with some friends.
299
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It was already set, and he
almost got upset with me,
300
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that I was gonna be gone
when he was driving through.
301
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Somebody had my
phone, they're like,
302
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,700
"Somebody named Armie
has called you like 22 times."
303
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He sends me a picture when I'm in
the Hamptons of my building in Dallas.
304
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At this point, we've
never spent time together.
305
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So it was weird.
306
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I remember being like, "Are
we flirting or is this scary?"
307
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I get back from New York,
and he left me this note.
308
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"Oh, this will be a cute
note." So I open the envelope,
309
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and it just says, "I'm going
to bite the fuck out of you."
310
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And then he
autographed this note.
311
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I didn't know how to feel
about the note, you know?
312
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It was, like...
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he talks so sweetly
sometimes on the phone,
314
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just, like, compliments
and compliments,
315
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then you get a note that says,
"I'm going to bite the fuck out of you."
316
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As crazy as that sounds, I took
it metaphorically, not literally.
317
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I thought he just wanted the intimacy,
the closeness, wanted us to be together.
318
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So I chose to look at it as
more flattering than concerning.
319
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When I told my friends about
us talking, I left that part out.
320
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I think that says a lot.
321
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,666
Elizabeth
Chambers and her actor husband,
322
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Armie Hammer, split.
323
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On Friday, the movie star shared
the news in an Instagram post.
324
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Quote, "It has been
an incredible journey,
325
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but together, we've decided to turn the
page and move on from our marriage."
326
00:23:09,166 --> 00:23:12,165
They released a joint
statement, interestingly enough,
327
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so, you know, they were gonna
be super supportive of each other.
328
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"This was an amicable split. We've
grown apart. We've done everything."
329
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You know, there's this
thing of, like, if you get married young,
330
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if you have kids young, eventually you're
gonna have some sort of midlife crisis
331
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or something that you're gonna
explore all of these darker sides.
332
00:23:29,066 --> 00:23:31,367
Or was that Armie all along?
333
00:23:38,266 --> 00:23:39,543
We are number one for departure.
334
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Please prepare the captains.
335
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I was coming to
LA. I was coming to see a friend,
336
00:23:45,066 --> 00:23:47,400
and after just
talking constantly,
337
00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:49,667
Armie and I were both,
like, okay, we have to meet.
338
00:23:50,667 --> 00:23:52,566
And this is a new
experience to me.
339
00:23:52,567 --> 00:23:54,127
I've never been with
somebody like this.
340
00:24:06,266 --> 00:24:10,200
He's, like, we're going on
an adventure to the desert.
341
00:24:11,567 --> 00:24:13,366
This is flirty!
342
00:24:13,367 --> 00:24:18,100
Fun, different, but bizarre,
risky. I've never met this man.
343
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:20,967
So I'm freaking out.
344
00:24:26,367 --> 00:24:30,967
I'm so anxious. I didn't know
what was gonna happen.
345
00:24:35,066 --> 00:24:37,700
When I got to LA,
346
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the plan was, Armie was gonna pick
me up after I had dinner with my friends.
347
00:24:41,867 --> 00:24:44,265
I was very nervous,
and so was he.
348
00:24:44,266 --> 00:24:47,767
I mean, he was texting me, like, "I can't
believe this. This... I'm so nervous."
349
00:24:52,166 --> 00:24:57,866
He pulls his truck up, and I had
my dog, and I had a little suitcase.
350
00:24:57,867 --> 00:25:00,566
We saw each other and we,
like, kissed on the lips immediately.
351
00:25:00,567 --> 00:25:02,466
And I was, like, I think
we were both, like, whoop?
352
00:25:02,467 --> 00:25:05,600
What? Like... It
just felt natural.
353
00:25:05,667 --> 00:25:09,300
I got in the car, and then we
were, like, off to the desert.
354
00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:18,400
It was very surreal.
355
00:25:18,467 --> 00:25:21,366
I had spent, like, the last
month talking to this person.
356
00:25:21,367 --> 00:25:24,800
Five hours a day, and then you're
spending time with each other.
357
00:25:26,166 --> 00:25:28,667
We spent every day together
for the next three weeks.
358
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:35,265
We spent a lotta time
in Twentynine Palms.
359
00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:39,900
Armie's friend owns a
motel that he's renovating.
360
00:25:41,266 --> 00:25:42,667
We painted it.
361
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:49,367
I have a picture of my little
dog under this, like, motel sign.
362
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,966
Right here, this is where we
would have, like, you know,
363
00:25:57,967 --> 00:26:00,867
like, dinners right
here on this long table.
364
00:26:01,867 --> 00:26:03,367
Candlelit dinners.
365
00:26:04,667 --> 00:26:06,566
We didn't leave
each other's side.
366
00:26:06,567 --> 00:26:11,265
If my chair was a foot away
from his, he's pulling my chair over.
367
00:26:11,266 --> 00:26:14,165
He always, like, his
hand's on my leg.
368
00:26:14,166 --> 00:26:18,265
It's like, even the first day that we met,
his hand was always just, like, on my knee.
369
00:26:18,266 --> 00:26:20,100
Like, always needed
to be touching me,
370
00:26:20,166 --> 00:26:23,867
showing me affection, making me
feel really comfortable, and really safe.
371
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,165
It was so hot, so
I'd just be, like,
372
00:26:27,166 --> 00:26:30,300
in a bikini all day, like,
on the back of his scooter.
373
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,265
At night, we would go by the
pool in the back of the motel,
374
00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:45,666
and, like, put a projector out and a
screen and then just, like, watch E.T.
375
00:26:45,667 --> 00:26:48,467
I just felt like, I don't know,
it felt like another world.
376
00:26:49,166 --> 00:26:50,667
It felt magical.
377
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,466
We really connected
just as two people,
378
00:27:00,467 --> 00:27:06,766
not a famous actor and me,
who's a very private person.
379
00:27:06,767 --> 00:27:08,266
I'm just a business
owner in Dallas.
380
00:27:10,467 --> 00:27:12,065
It's so not me to
drop everything
381
00:27:12,066 --> 00:27:14,567
and leave for a man, that's...
I've never been like that.
382
00:27:15,767 --> 00:27:18,165
I think I was starting
to fall for him, for sure.
383
00:27:18,166 --> 00:27:22,000
I mean, I wouldn't have said, "I love you,"
but it was... It was heading towards that.
384
00:27:22,767 --> 00:27:24,999
I took a picture right there.
385
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,366
Just a pose to remember
how happy I am for a second.
386
00:27:27,367 --> 00:27:31,366
I truly was so fuckin' happy.
387
00:27:31,367 --> 00:27:33,600
I was like, I can't believe
this is happening to me.
388
00:27:38,667 --> 00:27:44,200
But there were times that
something didn't feel right.
389
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,200
This is the first time
at this tractor supply
390
00:27:52,266 --> 00:27:54,100
that he, like, looked
for those ropes.
391
00:27:57,867 --> 00:28:01,966
He would take me
in the rope section.
392
00:28:01,967 --> 00:28:05,265
They were completely out of rope
and I was just, like, thankful, you know?
393
00:28:05,266 --> 00:28:07,900
Or I'm just, like,
"Okay, let's go!"
394
00:28:07,967 --> 00:28:11,700
I think that's when he sensed that
that was out of my comfort zone,
395
00:28:11,767 --> 00:28:14,100
so he kind of softened.
396
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:21,600
One night, he was, like, "Watch
this movie, it's called The Secretary."
397
00:28:21,667 --> 00:28:23,800
It's one of his favorite movies.
398
00:28:23,867 --> 00:28:27,100
Maggie Gyllenhaal is
the assistant to this lawyer
399
00:28:27,166 --> 00:28:28,600
What is wrong with you? That...
400
00:28:28,667 --> 00:28:31,867
He was training
her to be very submissive.
401
00:28:34,567 --> 00:28:36,199
She acts as the desk,
402
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,766
or she'll do the stapler with her
chin, or do everything for him,
403
00:28:41,767 --> 00:28:46,099
and just, like, that's
what he wants from me?
404
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:53,000
And there was one thing
that happened to me,
405
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,400
I don't even like
to think about it.
406
00:28:58,467 --> 00:29:03,200
The situation that happened
was something... I didn't...
407
00:29:04,767 --> 00:29:09,800
I think it's something you
speak about before it's done,
408
00:29:10,667 --> 00:29:14,200
and we didn't speak about this.
409
00:29:14,266 --> 00:29:18,466
I... It was something that
has never been done to me,
410
00:29:18,467 --> 00:29:22,500
and it is something
that is very degrading,
411
00:29:22,567 --> 00:29:24,400
very belittling,
and I just don't...
412
00:29:26,867 --> 00:29:29,100
I don't like to... I don't
wanna put it out there.
413
00:29:35,867 --> 00:29:38,467
Then I'm, like, holy shit!
I've gotta get back to my life,
414
00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:40,400
so I go home.
415
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,166
I broke down in the shower...
416
00:29:50,567 --> 00:29:51,600
crying in the shower.
417
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,800
And I had this wave of anxiety,
418
00:29:56,867 --> 00:29:58,866
it's like my body
was responding,
419
00:29:58,867 --> 00:30:00,767
trying to be like, hey,
something's not right.
420
00:30:02,166 --> 00:30:04,466
But I... I put it
out of my mind,
421
00:30:04,467 --> 00:30:08,100
because when we talk, it's like, "I
miss you so much, I miss you so much,"
422
00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:10,265
"You should move to
LA, be my girlfriend."
423
00:30:10,266 --> 00:30:12,866
He needed me, and it felt nice,
424
00:30:12,867 --> 00:30:15,867
and so we saw each
other about a week later.
425
00:30:17,867 --> 00:30:21,866
He's, like, giving me quality
time, and constant communication,
426
00:30:21,867 --> 00:30:25,700
and PDA, you just feel so loved.
427
00:30:28,367 --> 00:30:30,366
When we were together, it felt
good, but when we were apart,
428
00:30:30,367 --> 00:30:33,866
I had this, just, like,
pit in my stomach.
429
00:30:33,867 --> 00:30:36,265
We didn't have the conversation
where we're exclusive,
430
00:30:36,266 --> 00:30:39,500
but we have all these talks where
I'm not supposed to be with anybody,
431
00:30:39,567 --> 00:30:40,999
so it's just him.
432
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,432
He wants complete control of me,
433
00:30:42,433 --> 00:30:46,300
and I didn't have the mental
capacity to think about another soul.
434
00:30:46,367 --> 00:30:50,165
Because, you know, usually he's sending
me a thousand texts and a hundred calls.
435
00:30:50,166 --> 00:30:55,165
I wasn't going on dates,
and that's how he wanted it.
436
00:30:55,166 --> 00:30:58,367
Actress Rumer Willis was
spotted on a date with Armie Hammer.
437
00:30:59,567 --> 00:31:02,200
The couple were
photographed walking around LA.
438
00:31:02,266 --> 00:31:06,200
According to an insider, he's
not looking for a relationship,
439
00:31:06,266 --> 00:31:09,200
and they denied claims that
he is currently dating anyone.
440
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,000
The thing
with Rumer happened and...
441
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,667
he said it...
442
00:31:20,467 --> 00:31:21,666
didn't mean anything.
443
00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:24,566
But it's like, I remember seeing
444
00:31:24,567 --> 00:31:29,866
the way his hand was around her,
445
00:31:29,867 --> 00:31:32,866
'cause he's very
aggressive with his hands.
446
00:31:32,867 --> 00:31:37,099
He always wanted to be, like, hand on me,
hand on my arm, hugging me, like, always...
447
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,540
But, like, the way he was
touching her, I was just, like...
448
00:31:39,567 --> 00:31:41,366
Made me feel,
like, even smaller.
449
00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:47,567
And I felt betrayed,
so I tried to end it.
450
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,767
I was supposed to come
back to LA in September.
451
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,866
By this time he had moved
into this teeny-tiny pool house.
452
00:32:03,867 --> 00:32:08,265
So I go to the teeny-tiny pool
house and I'm like, I'm gonna end it.
453
00:32:08,266 --> 00:32:09,633
When we were at that pool house,
454
00:32:09,634 --> 00:32:12,074
and I was, like, "You're hurting
me, I can't do this anymore."
455
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,566
He... And he said, "No, you're...
You're gonna have to block me,
456
00:32:16,567 --> 00:32:18,207
you're gonna have
to do all these things."
457
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,000
I leave, we're both crying.
458
00:32:44,166 --> 00:32:47,400
The next day, I go to my
friend's in Beverly Hills,
459
00:32:47,467 --> 00:32:52,165
and we were on a walk and
he showed up on his scooter,
460
00:32:52,166 --> 00:32:55,466
where we were walking, he
had my location on his phone.
461
00:32:55,467 --> 00:33:00,065
And... And I fell
right back into it.
462
00:33:00,066 --> 00:33:01,106
I thought it was romantic.
463
00:33:01,867 --> 00:33:03,999
I thought this...
He's fighting for me.
464
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,900
And instead of going back to
Dallas, we went on another road trip.
465
00:33:12,667 --> 00:33:14,866
I think when you really
care for somebody,
466
00:33:14,867 --> 00:33:19,400
it's kind a crazy what your mind
is willing to look past or justify.
467
00:33:21,367 --> 00:33:26,000
But then... There, you know, there's
these things that keep happening that...
468
00:33:26,066 --> 00:33:31,000
Just... I would have, like, hand
marks, like, that would stay on my body.
469
00:33:33,567 --> 00:33:35,866
I think Armie took that picture.
470
00:33:35,867 --> 00:33:37,567
He bites really hard...
471
00:33:38,867 --> 00:33:41,900
and he tells you to wear
them like a badge of honor.
472
00:33:41,967 --> 00:33:45,200
Almost like he convinced
me that I'm lucky to have it.
473
00:33:45,266 --> 00:33:49,666
It's like... As fucked
up as that sounds,
474
00:33:49,667 --> 00:33:52,700
at that time, I was
interpreting that as love.
475
00:33:52,767 --> 00:33:55,300
Like, looking at it
now makes me sick.
476
00:33:55,367 --> 00:33:59,266
And he pushes your
boundaries a little bit at a time.
477
00:34:00,767 --> 00:34:03,200
And then the
tone of the next trip
478
00:34:03,266 --> 00:34:06,367
just felt different from
the very beginning.
479
00:34:15,166 --> 00:34:20,000
This time when he picked me up, I
saw a brown bag and it had ropes in it.
480
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:29,767
We drove through Sedona.
481
00:34:31,767 --> 00:34:32,800
We get to this hotel.
482
00:34:34,967 --> 00:34:37,165
We have dinner.
483
00:34:37,166 --> 00:34:42,165
There's this gin, vermouth,
like, it's... He orders four a these,
484
00:34:42,166 --> 00:34:44,266
I've had one margarita.
485
00:34:45,667 --> 00:34:48,467
And it's like, we're
not getting along.
486
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,165
He's in a weird mood.
487
00:34:51,166 --> 00:34:55,766
Nothing about the moment felt
good. And then he mentions the ropes.
488
00:34:55,767 --> 00:34:57,327
I was... My heart
dropped in my stomach.
489
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,566
He told me he's only ever tied
up mannequins, never people.
490
00:35:05,567 --> 00:35:09,667
He wants to share this with
me. His fantasy, this experience.
491
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Something new that he's
never tried with anybody.
492
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:21,366
So then I was, like, "I'm really
not in the mood, I don't feel good.
493
00:35:21,367 --> 00:35:22,600
I don't feel well."
494
00:35:22,667 --> 00:35:26,100
He was just like... Acted
mad, like, would look away, like,
495
00:35:26,166 --> 00:35:28,567
I... I just was like,
how do I get outta this?
496
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,166
And then that night,
he was drunk, I was not,
497
00:35:44,667 --> 00:35:49,866
and... I didn't say, "No."
498
00:35:49,867 --> 00:35:54,166
Um, I said, "I didn't feel good,"
I... I said everything except, "No."
499
00:35:59,166 --> 00:36:04,567
So he puts
on this creepy playlist,
500
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:06,300
and...
501
00:36:10,567 --> 00:36:11,567
Just like...
502
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,800
Like...
503
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:19,065
It's... The ropes were
around your neck,
504
00:36:19,066 --> 00:36:21,866
your wrists, your
ankles, behind your back.
505
00:36:21,867 --> 00:36:22,867
It's like...
506
00:36:24,567 --> 00:36:28,000
It was... I mean, I had
bruises, I had... I hated it.
507
00:36:28,066 --> 00:36:32,766
It's like, I understand that
if this is, like, your fantasy,
508
00:36:32,767 --> 00:36:35,265
or this is your thing...
509
00:36:35,266 --> 00:36:39,600
more power to you, but this was
not... I didn't like it, and it's like...
510
00:36:40,567 --> 00:36:42,667
it didn't feel safe, or like...
511
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:48,366
I didn't feel, like, loved,
or it was just horrible.
512
00:36:48,367 --> 00:36:51,099
And you're like,
completely immobilized.
513
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,967
And it's like, there's
something about trauma...
514
00:36:56,567 --> 00:36:59,165
while you're
immobilized and can't move.
515
00:36:59,166 --> 00:37:02,265
There's that fight or flight, you
can't do either, you're just stuck there.
516
00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:05,867
And I'm just closing my
eyes until it ended and...
517
00:37:07,367 --> 00:37:10,867
and we just... He just went
to sleep like it was nothing.
518
00:37:11,867 --> 00:37:13,400
Can we take a break?
519
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:23,266
I almost didn't wanna
make it real by writing it down, but...
520
00:37:25,033 --> 00:37:28,767
After that night, this is
what I took away from it.
521
00:37:30,667 --> 00:37:34,600
"Armie wanted total control of
me and absolute compliance,
522
00:37:35,667 --> 00:37:38,367
destroying any sense
of bodily autonomy.
523
00:37:39,767 --> 00:37:41,500
His ultimate fantasy."
524
00:37:45,567 --> 00:37:49,466
After that scenario in Sedona, I
really started to, kind of, unravel.
525
00:37:49,467 --> 00:37:51,466
It didn't sit well with me,
526
00:37:51,467 --> 00:37:55,500
but then it's followed up with
him pulling me even closer.
527
00:37:55,567 --> 00:37:57,327
And being, like, "I want
you to meet my mom,"
528
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:01,666
which is huge to me.
529
00:38:01,667 --> 00:38:06,466
I think that's a really big
deal, like, it felt like, okay...
530
00:38:06,467 --> 00:38:10,367
You know, I'm just clinging to,
like, little things to make this okay.
531
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:17,466
The situation with the ropes was
three days before I met his mom.
532
00:38:17,467 --> 00:38:20,667
But at that point, it was kind of
like a Band-Aid on a bullet wound.
533
00:38:20,734 --> 00:38:23,000
There was just, like...
Too much had happened.
534
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:28,300
We broke up two days
after meeting his mom.
535
00:38:37,166 --> 00:38:40,200
I knew something about him
would come up in the future,
536
00:38:40,266 --> 00:38:42,065
because I know
how careless he is.
537
00:38:42,066 --> 00:38:47,166
I know how he texts, and he just leaves
trails of all his madness everywhere.
538
00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:13,866
I woke up
on the second week of January.
539
00:39:13,867 --> 00:39:16,065
I got my coffee, I sat down.
540
00:39:16,066 --> 00:39:18,166
I started opening up
Twitter and combing through.
541
00:39:19,367 --> 00:39:23,467
My name is Candice Cronkhite
and my IG handle is BBFBravo.
542
00:39:24,767 --> 00:39:27,265
I've always been interested
in anything with pop culture.
543
00:39:27,266 --> 00:39:29,032
I really liked, you know,
544
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:31,366
deep diving people's backgrounds
and why are they the way that they are,
545
00:39:31,367 --> 00:39:35,367
and curating things that the
public may not know about a person.
546
00:39:36,567 --> 00:39:40,933
I passed by a screenshot
of a DM with the headline,
547
00:39:40,934 --> 00:39:44,367
"Armie Hammer's Ex-Girlfriend
Is Leaking His DM's."
548
00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:53,933
All of these screen grabs
that were pulled on Twitter
549
00:39:53,934 --> 00:39:58,300
were coming from a anonymous
account called houseofeffie.
550
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:04,600
When I opened up that
first text, it was shocking.
551
00:40:16,567 --> 00:40:21,165
The content that you're reading and
you're like, okay, this is a little kinky,
552
00:40:21,166 --> 00:40:24,166
to progressively getting
darker and darker.
553
00:40:25,767 --> 00:40:28,734
Like, "this is shocking"
to "this is disturbing."
554
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:39,000
After a couple a text messages, I
would see this one posted by houseofeffie.
555
00:40:58,767 --> 00:41:04,500
You know that there are some kinky things,
or things that you are unfamiliar with,
556
00:41:04,567 --> 00:41:09,265
but the idea that somebody
gets off on raping somebody,
557
00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:12,766
and that is what
they're pretending to do,
558
00:41:12,767 --> 00:41:18,867
it's... It's... I... I
can't... It's just really... Sick.
559
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,100
And so I couldn't stop.
560
00:41:26,166 --> 00:41:30,165
I had to do a story on it, because I
could tell that this was gonna be big.
561
00:41:30,166 --> 00:41:33,466
Armie Hammer has been in
hot water over leaked texts.
562
00:41:33,467 --> 00:41:36,500
Because of the community guidelines,
I'm not going to say what that's about,
563
00:41:36,567 --> 00:41:39,367
but you could head over to my
IG highlights to see for yourself.
564
00:41:40,834 --> 00:41:43,566
Sadly, I saw people laugh it off
565
00:41:43,567 --> 00:41:45,500
and not believe houseofeffie
566
00:41:45,567 --> 00:41:47,500
and give it the
attention it deserves.
567
00:41:58,567 --> 00:42:02,566
In January, I see a message
from the DeuxMoi account,
568
00:42:02,567 --> 00:42:04,500
a gossip account.
569
00:42:04,567 --> 00:42:07,007
She knew that Armie and I had
been together in a relationship,
570
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,934
because my name had
already been leaked...
571
00:42:12,166 --> 00:42:14,734
and so, DeuxMoi
would talk about it.
572
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:20,200
The DeuxMoi account was
posting these screenshots
573
00:42:20,266 --> 00:42:22,766
from an account
called houseofeffie,
574
00:42:22,767 --> 00:42:26,266
and they were really
sexually violent messages.
575
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:29,367
So, she messaged me...
576
00:42:31,066 --> 00:42:32,100
"Is this true?"
577
00:42:33,734 --> 00:42:35,366
I know how this man speaks.
578
00:42:35,367 --> 00:42:38,300
I could write a text for him,
I've seen them a million times.
579
00:42:38,367 --> 00:42:42,266
I know the language he
uses, punctuation he uses.
580
00:42:44,734 --> 00:42:46,266
He always used the word kitten.
581
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:49,767
He'd be like, "hi,
my little kitten."
582
00:42:50,667 --> 00:42:53,933
That was very common.
583
00:42:53,934 --> 00:42:56,600
The messages that
House of Effie was showing,
584
00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:00,999
he said this exact
same word to me.
585
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,160
You know, I was like, "that's
100% true, that's Armie."
586
00:43:13,767 --> 00:43:15,099
At that point,
587
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:19,367
I just wanted to validate
what houseofeffie was saying.
588
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,266
The next morning,
my life just blew up.
589
00:43:39,667 --> 00:43:42,366
Armie Hammer's
ex-girlfriend, Courtney Vucekovich...
590
00:43:42,367 --> 00:43:43,833
Courtney
Vucekovich has come forward
591
00:43:43,834 --> 00:43:46,065
with claims against
her ex, Armie Hammer...
592
00:43:46,066 --> 00:43:48,366
Once Courtney
was willing to go on the record,
593
00:43:48,367 --> 00:43:50,933
this story blew wide open.
594
00:43:50,934 --> 00:43:55,066
It was about abuse and
power and gaslighting.
595
00:43:56,367 --> 00:43:59,300
He said things like he wanted
to barbecue and eat her.
596
00:44:01,367 --> 00:44:03,265
What is
happening with Armie Hammer?
597
00:44:03,266 --> 00:44:06,200
Disturbing and racy
messages allegedly sent to women
598
00:44:06,266 --> 00:44:10,032
by the actor Armie Hammer
are trending on Twitter.
599
00:44:10,033 --> 00:44:13,667
Shocking DMs allegedly
from Armie Hammer's public accounts
600
00:44:13,734 --> 00:44:16,866
are going viral on social media.
601
00:44:16,867 --> 00:44:20,100
His sexually graphic
texts and DMs are dominating.
602
00:44:20,166 --> 00:44:24,165
BDSM and even
cannibalism began trending.
603
00:44:24,166 --> 00:44:26,366
I think this specific
one that she posted
604
00:44:26,367 --> 00:44:28,667
really shocked people.
605
00:44:31,266 --> 00:44:33,567
I mean, he said, "I'm
100% a cannibal."
606
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,032
He's, like, "fuck, it feels
weird even saying that,"
607
00:44:38,033 --> 00:44:40,467
and I can picture him
saying that so vividly.
608
00:44:44,734 --> 00:44:48,166
And then he said that he shot
a deer and then ate its heart.
609
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,099
There's this whole, then,
darker underbelly that just starts
610
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:02,966
getting you sicker and sicker.
611
00:45:02,967 --> 00:45:06,265
He's talking about
wanting to eat flesh.
612
00:45:06,266 --> 00:45:09,266
Really, really, really
horrific things and imagery.
613
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,300
Where does this end?
Where does this go?
614
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,733
At this point people were just
running with the cannibalism.
615
00:45:29,567 --> 00:45:33,099
Nobody cared about
anything except the word cannibal.
616
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:36,766
Pretending like it was all a
joke didn't sit well with me
617
00:45:36,767 --> 00:45:38,467
because it wasn't a joke.
618
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,466
Now it's entertainment.
619
00:45:43,467 --> 00:45:46,767
Now we're, like, we're leaned in
620
00:45:46,834 --> 00:45:49,366
waiting to see how dark this is.
621
00:45:49,367 --> 00:45:51,766
While the DMs remain unverified,
622
00:45:51,767 --> 00:45:54,099
the stories have kept coming in.
623
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:57,600
Once Courtney came forward,
other women started coming forward.
624
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,866
One of them was
the writer, Jessica.
625
00:46:02,867 --> 00:46:06,265
She had said, "if anyone's
questioning whether these DMs are real,
626
00:46:06,266 --> 00:46:07,666
I'm here to tell
you that they are."
627
00:46:10,266 --> 00:46:12,666
Paige Lorenze
was another woman involved
628
00:46:12,667 --> 00:46:14,165
with Armie Hammer.
629
00:46:14,166 --> 00:46:18,500
She told her whole story
and she did not hold back.
630
00:46:18,567 --> 00:46:20,967
He kind of just took me in
under his wing and he really
631
00:46:21,967 --> 00:46:23,767
was so all-consuming,
632
00:46:23,834 --> 00:46:26,366
and he made me feel
like it was a safe space,
633
00:46:26,367 --> 00:46:27,566
made me feel like
this was normal,
634
00:46:27,567 --> 00:46:30,366
he made me feel like this
was gonna be fun and sexy,
635
00:46:30,367 --> 00:46:34,165
but I think he used BDSM
as, like, a smokescreen,
636
00:46:34,166 --> 00:46:37,366
ultimately, to hurt women
and inflict pain on women,
637
00:46:37,367 --> 00:46:38,734
which is the scariest part.
638
00:46:40,367 --> 00:46:43,999
Hollywood is a very
business-oriented industry,
639
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,933
and now after Me Too
happened and Time's Up,
640
00:46:47,934 --> 00:46:50,466
nobody is taking a
chance on anybody.
641
00:46:50,467 --> 00:46:51,966
The actor Armie Hammer
642
00:46:51,967 --> 00:46:54,733
has been dropped from the
upcoming film Shotgun Wedding,
643
00:46:54,734 --> 00:46:57,400
which he was due to be starring
in opposite Jennifer Lopez.
644
00:46:57,467 --> 00:46:59,099
Armie said in a statement,
645
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:01,866
"in light of the vicious and
spurious online attacks against me,
646
00:47:01,867 --> 00:47:04,265
I cannot in good conscience
now leave my children
647
00:47:04,266 --> 00:47:06,165
for four months
to shoot a film."
648
00:47:06,166 --> 00:47:10,566
As soon as allegations start to
come out that seem to have substance,
649
00:47:10,567 --> 00:47:12,866
they're dropping
you like a hot potato.
650
00:47:12,867 --> 00:47:16,867
WME immediately
dropped Armie Hammer.
651
00:47:16,934 --> 00:47:19,933
Armie Hammer has
been fighting for his career
652
00:47:19,934 --> 00:47:22,367
after being plagued by
a social media scandal.
653
00:47:29,367 --> 00:47:31,032
It was always talking about how,
654
00:47:31,033 --> 00:47:33,367
"what is Armie going to
do? He lost this movie deal."
655
00:47:35,166 --> 00:47:37,200
Nobody was talking
about the victims.
656
00:47:37,266 --> 00:47:40,567
I just felt like I couldn't
leave the story alone.
657
00:47:43,033 --> 00:47:45,265
I really wanted to figure
out more about him.
658
00:47:45,266 --> 00:47:48,200
Wondering what different
things has he dropped
659
00:47:48,266 --> 00:47:49,500
that we have all been missing.
660
00:47:51,667 --> 00:47:54,466
The first thing I
saw was a interview,
661
00:47:54,467 --> 00:47:58,600
one where he was talking about
tying a rope within 30 seconds...
662
00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:00,787
People get thrilled when
you pull out rope at a party.
663
00:48:00,834 --> 00:48:01,834
Uh...
664
00:48:01,835 --> 00:48:04,566
and it was, like,
"hmm, that's weird."
665
00:48:04,567 --> 00:48:07,265
You look through the Twitter,
you look through Instagram,
666
00:48:07,266 --> 00:48:09,966
you look at who he's
following on Instagram,
667
00:48:09,967 --> 00:48:11,766
He followed a lot
of shibari accounts,
668
00:48:11,767 --> 00:48:15,065
which is a form of
Japanese bondage.
669
00:48:15,066 --> 00:48:17,999
A lot of women in
suggestive poses.
670
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,033
And then there was
an article on Playboy.
671
00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:26,466
Armie Hammer in Playboy said
672
00:48:26,467 --> 00:48:28,933
he likes rough sex,
he likes to pull hair.
673
00:48:28,934 --> 00:48:32,099
Maybe a bit of choking, but
he would never do it to his wife
674
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:33,600
because he respects
her too much.
675
00:48:35,567 --> 00:48:38,466
I found DMs
that were showing more texts
676
00:48:38,467 --> 00:48:41,100
and more and more
and more content
677
00:48:41,166 --> 00:48:45,766
relating to him being
involved in the BDSM world.
678
00:48:45,767 --> 00:48:48,200
At that point I was
just confused about it
679
00:48:48,266 --> 00:48:49,386
beyond Fifty Shades of Grey.
680
00:48:51,266 --> 00:48:52,933
Soon enough, I found out that
681
00:48:52,934 --> 00:48:55,200
if you set these
pre-determined boundaries
682
00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:57,300
and they're crossed
over and over again,
683
00:48:57,367 --> 00:48:58,500
that is a problem.
684
00:49:07,667 --> 00:49:09,100
The more research
that I've done,
685
00:49:09,166 --> 00:49:10,999
the more I found that
these things that he did
686
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,265
are actually not BDSM,
but he's calling them BDSM.
687
00:49:14,266 --> 00:49:17,866
But it's actually just
unsafe, um, behavior
688
00:49:17,867 --> 00:49:20,100
that would, you know,
normally be criminal.
689
00:49:22,367 --> 00:49:26,000
When I looked into it, you could
clearly tell this was not BDSM.
690
00:49:26,867 --> 00:49:27,867
It was getting darker.
691
00:49:28,567 --> 00:49:30,266
This looked like abuse.
692
00:49:34,567 --> 00:49:38,767
And then Effie of Instagram
account houseofeffie came forward.
693
00:49:38,834 --> 00:49:42,165
She had hired famed
attorney, Gloria Allred,
694
00:49:42,166 --> 00:49:43,734
who's known for
advocating for women.
695
00:49:44,667 --> 00:49:47,265
Effie is 24 years old,
696
00:49:47,266 --> 00:49:49,466
and she lives in Europe.
697
00:49:49,467 --> 00:49:54,265
She had a romantic and an intimate
relationship with Armie Hammer
698
00:49:54,266 --> 00:49:59,165
on and off between 2016 to 2020.
699
00:49:59,166 --> 00:50:03,567
Effie issued a statement that
was an absolute bombshell.
700
00:50:07,667 --> 00:50:10,132
I'm attorney Gloria Allred.
701
00:50:10,133 --> 00:50:13,366
I'm a women's rights
attorney in Los Angeles.
702
00:50:13,367 --> 00:50:15,833
I'm a partner in a law firm.
703
00:50:15,834 --> 00:50:19,500
I deal with many victims
of rape, sexual assault...
704
00:50:20,967 --> 00:50:22,133
and sexual harassment.
705
00:50:28,266 --> 00:50:30,600
I do represent Effie.
706
00:50:30,667 --> 00:50:34,132
Victims need to have
support if they're going to...
707
00:50:34,133 --> 00:50:36,834
come forward against a
rich, powerful, famous figure.
708
00:50:38,266 --> 00:50:39,834
They shouldn't
have to do it alone.
709
00:50:41,266 --> 00:50:44,133
Doing it alone is
dangerous, it's frightening.
710
00:50:45,667 --> 00:50:47,467
This is not for
the faint of heart.
711
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,666
I met Armie Hammer
on Facebook in 2016
712
00:50:55,667 --> 00:50:57,166
when I was 20 years old.
713
00:50:59,166 --> 00:51:01,466
The relationship
progressed rapidly
714
00:51:01,467 --> 00:51:03,934
and the emotions from both
sides became really intense.
715
00:51:05,467 --> 00:51:08,165
He would often test
my devotion to him
716
00:51:08,166 --> 00:51:11,065
by removing and
crossing my boundaries
717
00:51:11,066 --> 00:51:13,066
as he became
increasingly more violent.
718
00:51:15,166 --> 00:51:19,100
He abused me mentally,
emotionally and sexually.
719
00:51:25,367 --> 00:51:27,666
How can you see somebody...
720
00:51:27,667 --> 00:51:30,767
breaking down like
that and not feel for it...
721
00:51:31,767 --> 00:51:34,567
and, oh, it was hard to watch.
722
00:51:39,834 --> 00:51:43,467
On April 24th, 2017,
Armie Hammer...
723
00:51:45,667 --> 00:51:49,734
violently raped me for over
four hours in Los Angeles...
724
00:51:51,367 --> 00:51:55,200
during which he repeatedly
slapped my head against a wall
725
00:51:55,266 --> 00:51:56,266
bruising my face.
726
00:51:58,266 --> 00:51:59,766
During those four hours,
727
00:51:59,767 --> 00:52:02,400
I tried to get away,
but he wouldn't let me.
728
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,099
The way that she was
speaking through her story
729
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:15,466
through tears, and her conviction
about what she had been through,
730
00:52:15,467 --> 00:52:17,867
I just thought, you know,
every woman thinks,
731
00:52:17,934 --> 00:52:19,500
"oh, God, that could
have been me,"
732
00:52:19,567 --> 00:52:22,265
you know, and it's been
really close to being me,
733
00:52:22,266 --> 00:52:24,600
and in other situations,
it has been me.
734
00:52:24,667 --> 00:52:27,500
So, I was really grateful,
735
00:52:27,567 --> 00:52:31,834
um, for what she had done in
her bravery of coming forward.
736
00:52:33,834 --> 00:52:37,265
She came
forward and told everything...
737
00:52:37,266 --> 00:52:39,867
He also committed other
acts of violence against me
738
00:52:39,934 --> 00:52:41,367
to which I did not consent.
739
00:52:49,667 --> 00:52:53,366
And it launched a police
investigation within the LAPD.
740
00:52:53,367 --> 00:52:57,032
The actor Armie Hammer
has been confirmed as the suspect
741
00:52:57,033 --> 00:52:59,165
in an alleged
sexual assault case
742
00:52:59,166 --> 00:53:01,265
by the Los Angeles
Police Department.
743
00:53:01,266 --> 00:53:04,099
Right now, Armie's
being represented by Andrew Brettler
744
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:07,666
who's known for his
defense of people accused
745
00:53:07,667 --> 00:53:09,933
of sexual abuse or
sexual misconduct,
746
00:53:09,934 --> 00:53:13,265
and that seemed a
very strategic move.
747
00:53:13,266 --> 00:53:16,366
And in a statement vehemently
denied any wrongdoing
748
00:53:16,367 --> 00:53:17,467
on behalf of his client.
749
00:53:18,967 --> 00:53:21,566
I know his attorney well,
750
00:53:21,567 --> 00:53:23,367
we've had many cases...
751
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,466
against that firm, and I
have said many years ago
752
00:53:28,467 --> 00:53:29,966
and it's still true today,
753
00:53:29,967 --> 00:53:32,600
that firm represents
Hollywood bad boys...
754
00:53:34,033 --> 00:53:35,667
and I represent
the women they hurt.
755
00:53:40,166 --> 00:53:43,133
Even in BDSM relationships,
756
00:53:44,033 --> 00:53:46,166
consent is still
at the heart of it.
757
00:53:56,467 --> 00:54:00,367
It doesn't mean that
anyone can do anything...
758
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,366
to anyone during
a sexual relationship.
759
00:54:04,367 --> 00:54:07,200
If she withdraws her consent,
760
00:54:07,266 --> 00:54:09,767
and he continues,
that's a crime.
761
00:54:10,867 --> 00:54:12,166
Simple as that.
762
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,567
Kinky is not against the law.
763
00:54:16,100 --> 00:54:17,367
Rape is.
764
00:54:23,667 --> 00:54:25,933
I do think
a lot of women and men
765
00:54:25,934 --> 00:54:28,265
can relate to engaging
with somebody
766
00:54:28,266 --> 00:54:30,566
who presented themselves
767
00:54:30,567 --> 00:54:33,500
in an almost too good to
be true way in the beginning
768
00:54:33,567 --> 00:54:36,366
that was really just
a manipulation tactic
769
00:54:36,367 --> 00:54:38,367
that led to really bad behavior.
770
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:40,866
My name is Lauren Skae,
771
00:54:40,867 --> 00:54:43,033
I go by the Zen
Blonde on social media.
772
00:54:44,467 --> 00:54:46,300
Okay, so, Armie's
lawyers have spoken,
773
00:54:46,367 --> 00:54:47,733
and they called these
claims outrageous
774
00:54:47,734 --> 00:54:50,400
and said that all of his
encounters were consensual.
775
00:54:50,467 --> 00:54:52,600
So, I saw the Armie
Hammer case unfolding,
776
00:54:52,667 --> 00:54:55,400
and in hearing all these
stories, I wanted to amplify them
777
00:54:55,467 --> 00:54:58,966
because I wanted to
push them towards justice.
778
00:54:58,967 --> 00:55:00,767
I had so many tips coming in,
779
00:55:00,834 --> 00:55:02,466
and it wasn't just
tips about Armie,
780
00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:04,400
it was tips about
the whole family.
781
00:55:04,467 --> 00:55:06,466
Armie Hammer's not
only a famous actor,
782
00:55:06,467 --> 00:55:09,600
but a famous actor whose
family is an institution.
783
00:55:09,667 --> 00:55:12,265
And then, eventually,
my friend tipped me off
784
00:55:12,266 --> 00:55:15,467
that the Hammer family was crazy
and that there were a few books about it.
785
00:55:16,767 --> 00:55:19,867
Casey Hammer is
Armie Hammer's aunt.
786
00:55:19,934 --> 00:55:21,666
I found Casey's book on Audible,
787
00:55:21,667 --> 00:55:25,566
so I downloaded it, and
immediately started listening to it,
788
00:55:25,567 --> 00:55:29,466
and literally, like, could not
believe what I was hearing.
789
00:55:29,467 --> 00:55:30,643
"That is when I understood
790
00:55:30,667 --> 00:55:32,500
that the red down
her front was blood.
791
00:55:33,567 --> 00:55:36,833
She was screaming
for my father to stop.
792
00:55:36,834 --> 00:55:40,200
I could see pain and fear
shooting out from her eyes.
793
00:55:40,266 --> 00:55:42,200
I heard her voice in my head,
794
00:55:42,266 --> 00:55:44,000
'Run! Run!'
795
00:55:44,934 --> 00:55:46,667
I was paralyzed with fear."
796
00:55:48,867 --> 00:55:51,265
I was so infuriated by the book.
797
00:55:51,266 --> 00:55:54,165
For me, like, just
observing it from afar,
798
00:55:54,166 --> 00:55:58,165
it seemed like it was a
multi-generational trend.
799
00:55:58,166 --> 00:56:01,667
That very, like,
wealthy, privileged men
800
00:56:01,734 --> 00:56:06,867
got away with different bad
things throughout these generations.
801
00:56:06,934 --> 00:56:08,866
And then I'm on
Google, and I'm, like,
802
00:56:08,867 --> 00:56:10,366
"I can't be the one
that tied this together,
803
00:56:10,367 --> 00:56:11,843
I can't be the one
that tied this together,
804
00:56:11,867 --> 00:56:14,867
this has to be something that's
known, I'm just late to the story."
805
00:56:14,934 --> 00:56:16,867
And then realizing
that nobody knows this
806
00:56:16,934 --> 00:56:18,400
and then feeling like...
807
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,966
I need to put this
out immediately,
808
00:56:20,967 --> 00:56:23,166
this needs to immediately
become part of the narrative.
809
00:56:25,066 --> 00:56:26,733
I'm gonna let everyone
catch up with the Armie stuff,
810
00:56:26,734 --> 00:56:29,466
but I have a new development, his
aunt wrote a book about their family.
811
00:56:29,467 --> 00:56:31,767
And let me tell you the
stuff didn't start with Armie.
812
00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:35,065
He is the great grandson of
Armand Hammer, an oil tycoon.
813
00:56:35,066 --> 00:56:38,733
His son, Julian, who would be
Armie's grandfather, was insane.
814
00:56:38,734 --> 00:56:41,366
He beat the living
daylights out of his wife.
815
00:56:41,367 --> 00:56:43,666
I posted everything
in rapid succession
816
00:56:43,667 --> 00:56:45,567
as I was still
listening to the book.
817
00:56:47,033 --> 00:56:48,733
The first video
started going viral,
818
00:56:48,734 --> 00:56:50,600
and then everyone
jumped to the videos after,
819
00:56:50,667 --> 00:56:54,366
and some people were
literally watching them live.
820
00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:57,866
She ended up finding photos of
her dad, again, Armie's grandfather,
821
00:56:57,867 --> 00:56:59,933
watching as one
of the housekeepers
822
00:56:59,934 --> 00:57:01,567
performed a sexual
act on another man.
823
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,567
I have to say, like, things
exploded on TikTok really quickly.
824
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:07,767
It grew overnight.
825
00:57:09,567 --> 00:57:11,566
When it started
going viral, I was, like,
826
00:57:11,567 --> 00:57:13,400
"oh, no, this is a real human,
827
00:57:13,467 --> 00:57:15,627
I should have maybe alerted
her that I was doing this."
828
00:57:19,467 --> 00:57:22,866
I remember
someone texted me and said,
829
00:57:22,867 --> 00:57:25,566
"someone's blowing
you up on TikTok."
830
00:57:25,567 --> 00:57:27,566
I remember pulling up that video
831
00:57:27,567 --> 00:57:31,032
and I was watching
comments on the screen.
832
00:57:31,033 --> 00:57:33,933
Things like, "are
you sure it's his aunt?
833
00:57:33,934 --> 00:57:35,767
Did anybody do a DNA test?"
834
00:57:36,467 --> 00:57:37,867
I mean, it makes sense.
835
00:57:38,767 --> 00:57:40,600
I had been erased
from the family.
836
00:57:41,834 --> 00:57:45,265
She actually
reposted me on Instagram.
837
00:57:45,266 --> 00:57:47,733
She said, "I don't know
who you are, but thank you."
838
00:57:47,734 --> 00:57:50,132
Part of me was kind of pleased
839
00:57:50,133 --> 00:57:52,667
because the world
was finding out,
840
00:57:52,734 --> 00:57:54,000
and the other part of me was...
841
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:57,032
"oh, my God, I'm dead.
842
00:57:57,033 --> 00:57:58,567
My brother's gonna
fucking kill me."
843
00:58:02,033 --> 00:58:03,834
What Armie is experiencing...
844
00:58:05,033 --> 00:58:07,600
came from, I'm convinced...
845
00:58:07,667 --> 00:58:10,265
maybe even further
back than my grandfather.
846
00:58:10,266 --> 00:58:12,200
Because you just
don't wake up...
847
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:15,767
and become this dark...
848
00:58:16,967 --> 00:58:19,866
controller, abuser.
849
00:58:19,867 --> 00:58:22,166
There has to be a
seed that's planted.
850
00:58:26,500 --> 00:58:28,866
My grandfather
built an oil empire.
851
00:58:28,867 --> 00:58:30,966
He had politicians
in his back pocket,
852
00:58:30,967 --> 00:58:32,766
so, he never took
no for an answer.
853
00:58:32,767 --> 00:58:34,767
His life was all about secrets.
854
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:39,000
My father had loaded
guns all over the house.
855
00:58:39,667 --> 00:58:41,366
He used to shoot at me.
856
00:58:41,367 --> 00:58:43,033
It was terrifying.
857
00:58:44,467 --> 00:58:46,566
That's the sign
of a true monster.
858
00:58:46,567 --> 00:58:50,165
You can look in the
mirror and not see any fault
859
00:58:50,166 --> 00:58:51,666
or that you're doing
anything wrong.
860
00:58:51,667 --> 00:58:54,666
And that's how deep
it goes with my brother,
861
00:58:54,667 --> 00:58:58,400
and that's why he's so scary
because he has no conscience.
862
00:58:59,734 --> 00:59:01,833
Now, it's Armie.
863
00:59:01,834 --> 00:59:06,032
Every generation in my family
has been involved in dark misdeeds,
864
00:59:06,033 --> 00:59:09,500
and it just gets worse
and worse and worse.
865
00:59:09,567 --> 00:59:13,567
There's so much beneath the surface
that now is finally coming to light.
866
00:59:15,934 --> 00:59:19,032
My name is Casey Hammer,
and I'm about to reveal
867
00:59:19,033 --> 00:59:21,734
the dark twisted secrets
of the Hammer family.
868
00:59:21,758 --> 00:59:23,758
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