All language subtitles for A Crime to Remember s05e01 Once Upon a Crime.eng

[ BIRDS CHIRPING ]

Woman: BACK IN 1959,

BEFORE TRUMAN CAPOTE AND THAT
BOOK OF HIS, "IN COLD BLOOD",

NO ONE FROM THE BIG CITIES

KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT OUR VILLAGE
OF HOLCOMB, KANSAS.

[ KNOCKS ON DOOR ]
NANCY?

AND WE LIKED IT THAT WAY.

MR. CLUTTER?

OURS WAS THE SIMPLE,
GRACIOUS LIFE.

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BUT AFTER THAT DAY,
WHEN OUR NEIGHBOR, SUSAN,

WENT TO PICK UP
NANCY CLUTTER FOR CHURCH...

NANCY?

MR. CLUTTER?

NANCY?

WE'RE GONNA BE LATE.

...OUR LITTLE TOWN --
THE WHOLE COUNTRY --

WE ALL LOST OUR INNOCENCE...
FOREVER.

[ SCREAMING ]

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[ SIGHS ]

Evans:
AT AROUND 9:30 IN THE MORNING,

SHERIFF EARL ROBINSON
AND MR. HENDRICKS,

WHO'S A NEIGHBOR,
ARRIVE AT THE HOME

AND SEE 16-YEAR-OLD
NANCY CLUTTER'S BODY.

SHERIFF, OVER HERE.

THE SHERIFF GOES DOWN THE HALL,
AND HE SEES THE MOTHER, BONNIE.

BONNIE HAS ALSO RECEIVED A FATAL
GUNSHOT WOUND TO THE HEAD.

Radke: SHERIFF ROBINSON
CONTINUES TO CLEAR THE RESIDENCE

LOOKING FOR THE REST
OF THE CLUTTER FAMILY

BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT THERE'S
TWO MORE UNACCOUNTED FOR.

Evans: IN THE BASEMENT,
THEY FIND THE FATHER, HERB CLUTTER,

LYING ON A MATTRESS BOX...

...AND HIS SON, KENYON,
ON THE COUCH.

THE SHERIFF'S NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.

THE FAMILY'S BEEN WIPED OUT.

THEY'RE HORRIFIED.

Welch: THIS IS THE KIND OF THING
YOU READ ABOUT IN NEWSPAPERS

THAT HAPPEN ELSEWHERE

BUT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE
IN HOLCOMB, KANSAS.

Bonnie:
OH, THANK YOU, HONEY.

OH, WONDERFUL.
HERE IS THE CORN!

OH!

THE CLUTTERS WERE PROBABLY
THE MOST PROMINENT FAMILY

IN FINNEY COUNTY.

THEY WERE WELL-RESPECTED,
WELL-LIKED, CHURCHGOING PEOPLE.

THE FATHER, HERB CLUTTER,
WAS A SELF-MADE MAN.

Welch: HERB WAS A VERY
SUCCESSFUL FARMER, RANCHER,

RESPECTED BY ALL.

IT WAS THE AMERICAN DREAM.

Evans: BONNIE CLUTTER WAS
THE MOTHER OF THE FAMILY.

SHE WAS A GREAT HOMEMAKER.

Murley:
KENYON WAS 15 YEARS OLD.

Evans: HE'S 6 FOOT TALL,
LITTLE AWKWARD FOR HIS AGE.

NANCY CLUTTER -- 16 YEARS OLD.

Murley:
SHE WAS OFTEN ON THE HONOR ROLL,

SHE WAS CLASS PRESIDENT,

SHE HAD A LOT OF FRIENDS,

SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CLUTTERS
JUST IS UNIMAGINABLE

TO THIS SMALL COMMUNITY.

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AL.
SHERIFF.

Welch: THE SHERIFF IMMEDIATELY
SUMMONS ONE OF HIS BEST FRIENDS,

AL DEWEY OF THE KANSAS
BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS,

CERTAINLY ONE OF THE BEST
INVESTIGATORS I'VE EVER MET.

Evans: AGENT DEWEY IMMEDIATELY
STARTS GOING THROUGH THE HOUSE

SURVEYING THE SCENE.

SHOTGUN?
MM-HMM.

CLOSE RANGE.

Welch:
NANCY IS COVERED IN BLOOD.

HALF OF HER HEAD
HAS BEEN BLOWN AWAY.

HOG-TIED.

Murley: NANCY IS CLOTHED IN HER
PAJAMAS AND HER ROBE AND SLIPPERS,

SUGGESTING THAT
SHE WAS STILL AWAKE

WHEN THE KILLER
ENTERED THE HOUSE.

WHEN THEY ENTER BONNIE'S ROOM,

THEY ENCOUNTER
ANOTHER HORRIBLE SCENE.

Dewey: [ SIGHS ]
SAME KNOTS AS THE GIRL.

THE KNOTS THAT WERE USED
WERE VERY UNUSUAL.

IT WAS A HALF-HITCH KNOT.

JEWELRY'S
STILL HERE.

Evans: AND THEY FIND THAT BONNIE
IS WEARING TWO VALUABLE RINGS,

AND THIS IS CONTRADICTORY
TO A ROBBERY.

Dewey: LOOK AT THIS.

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THEY CUT THE LINE.

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Evans: HERB CLUTTER'S THROAT
HAS BEEN SLASHED,

AND HE'S BEEN
SHOT IN THE HEAD.

WATTLE.

Welch: WHEN AL DEWEY
IS IN THE BASEMENT,

HE SEES A BOOT PRINT
IN THE BLOOD.

Murley: THE CORONER DETERMINES
THAT THEY WERE SHOT IN THE FACE

AT POINT-BLANK RANGE
WITH A 12-GAUGE SHOTGUN.

TIME OF DEATH?

I'D SAY ABOUT
9 TO 12 HOURS AGO.

Evans: AND THAT THE CRIMES TOOK PLACE
BETWEEN 11:00 P.M. AND 2:00 A.M.

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PILLOWS, CARDBOARD...

SOMEBODY TRIED
TO MAKE THEM COMFORTABLE.

AND THEN BLEW 'EM AWAY?

Murley: THE PILLOW PLACED
UNDER KENYON'S HEAD

AND THE BOX FOR HERB

ARE STRANGE AND CONFUSING
DETAILS FOR THE INVESTIGATORS.

Welch: SHOWS THAT SOMEBODY
HAD SOME EMPATHY

TOWARDS THOSE INDIVIDUALS

AND YET WAS STILL ABLE
TO BRUTALLY MURDER

ALL FOUR PEOPLE
IN THAT HOUSE.

Evans:
OTHER THAN THE BOOT PRINT,

THERE'S NOT MUCH EVIDENCE
TO GO ON.

Radke:
THERE'S NO SHOTGUN SHELLS.

THERE'S NO FINGERPRINTS.

FOR THE
LAW-ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS,

THIS WOULD BE
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.

YOU HAVE FOUR LIVES TAKEN

AND VERY, VERY LITTLE
EVIDENCE TO GO ON.

Nye:
WHAT'S THAT?

Dewey: YEAH, A MAN'S
LEATHER BILLFOLD.

Evans: THE INVESTIGATORS FIND
MR. CLUTTER'S BILLFOLD...

EMPTY.

...BUT NO MONEY.

CHECK LEDGER...

UH, HOLCOMB CAFE,
$1.45,

MAIN HARDWARE, $3.17.

Welch: EVERYBODY IN THE
WORLD KNEW THAT MR. CLUTTER

NEVER HAD CASH AROUND.

HE WROTE CHECKS FOR EVERYTHING.

WHO ROBS A MAN OF CASH WHO
WRITES CHECKS FOR THAT AMOUNT?

Evans:
IT WAS THE JOKE OF THE TOWN

THAT HE WOULD WRITE A CHECK
FOR $2 FOR A HAIRCUT.

THE MOTIVE IS VERY DIFFICULT
TO FIGURE OUT.

IT SEEMS TO BE
A VERY SENSELESS CRIME.

HOLCOMB IS A SMALL TOWN,
AND WORD SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE.

WHEN I HEARD,
I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

I'D BEEN BABYSITTING
FOR THE CLUTTERS

SINCE NANCY WAS LITTLE.

IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

Radke: IN RURAL AMERICA
ESPECIALLY, THERE'S A FEELING OF,

IT'S SAFER, PEOPLE ARE NICER,

AND THINGS LIKE THIS
DON'T HAPPEN.

Welch:
AL DEWEY IS BEFUDDLED.

HE ALWAYS LOOKED,
"WHAT'S THE MOTIVE HERE?"

MOTIVE IS SO IMPORTANT IN
THE SOLUTION OF ANY HOMICIDE.

WHO COULD'VE HATED THESE PEOPLE
THAT MUCH TO DO THAT TO THEM?

Evans: THE INVESTIGATORS
START CANVASSING THE AREA,

AND THEY FIND ALFRED STOECKLEIN,
A HIRED HAND THAT LIVES

LESS THAN A THOUSAND FEET AWAY
FROM THE CLUTTERS.

DID YOU HEAR ANY
GUNSHOT LAST NIGHT?

THE MISSUS AND I WERE UP AND DOWN
ALL NIGHT WITH OUR LITTLE ONE,

BUT, UH, WE DIDN'T
HEAR ANYTHING,

BUT THERE WAS A CAR
IN THE DRIVEWAY.

A CAR?

WHEN?

PIECE BEFORE MIDNIGHT,
I GUESS.

Evans: ALFRED REMEMBERS,
AT AROUND 10:30 P.M.,

HE HEARD A CAR DOOR CLOSE.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE
THE CAR?

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I CAN DO YOU
ONE BETTER.

I COULD TELL YOU
WHOSE CAR IT WAS.

NANCY'S BOYFRIEND.

YOU'RE CERTAIN?

YES, SIR.

Evans: THE NEIGHBOR, ALFRED
STOECKLEIN, REMEMBERS THERE WAS A CAR,

AND HE KNEW EXACTLY
WHO IT BELONGED TO.

HE USED TO COME AROUND HERE
ALL THE TIME,

TOO MUCH,
IF YOU ASK ME.

CAN YOU GIVE US
A NAME?

Evans: HE TELLS DEWEY THAT HE REMEMBERS
TURNING TO HIS WIFE AND SAYING,

"THAT MUST BE NANCY'S BOYFRIEND,
BOBBY RUPP."

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

Woman: IF YOU HAD ASKED
ME IF I COULD EVER IMAGINE

BOBBY WOULD WANT TO HURT NANCY,

I WOULD'VE SAID,
"YOU'RE CRAZY."

THE BOY ADORED HER.

BUT IF ANYONE WOULD KNOW

WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON
BETWEEN BOBBY AND NANCY...

IT WAS NANCY'S BEST FRIEND,
SUSAN KIDWELL,

THE POOR GIRL
WHO FOUND THE BODIES.

HAVE A SEAT.

THANK YOU
FOR COMING IN, SUSAN.

WE WERE WONDERING
IF YOU COULD TELL US

ABOUT NANCY AND BOBBY'S
RELATIONSHIP.

THEY'VE BEEN GOING TOGETHER
FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.

Murley: SUSAN KIDWELL
TELLS THE INVESTIGATORS

THAT BOBBY RUPP
AND NANCY CLUTTER

WERE IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER.

DID THEY EVER FIGHT?

EVERY COUPLE HAS
THEIR PROBLEMS, DON'T THEY?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

DID NANCY HAVE TROUBLE
WITH BOBBY?

THERE WERE SOME DISAGREEMENTS
THAT SHE MENTIONED.

WE NEED TO KNOW
WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.

I GOT THIS FOR YOU.

I'M SORRY.
I CAN'T.

Murley: SUSAN TELLS THE
INVESTIGATORS ABOUT A FIGHT

THAT BOBBY AND NANCY HAD HAD

A COUPLE OF WEEKS
PREVIOUS TO THE MURDERS.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE
THIS IS GOING.

WE BOTH KNOW --

THAT'S YOUR FATHER
TALKING.

Susan: BOBBY'S FAMILY
IS CATHOLIC

AND THE -- THE CLUTTERS
METHODIST.

MR. CLUTTER, HE -- HE THOUGHT
THAT THAT MEANT

THAT THERE WASN'T REALLY
A FUTURE FOR NANCY AND BOBBY.

I HAVE TO GO.

NO. WAIT!

Evans: MR. CLUTTER REALLY
WANTED HIS DAUGHTER

TO END THIS RELATIONSHIP,

AND THAT CAUSED A LOT
OF CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO.

AND NANCY WAS WILLING
TO BREAK IT OFF?

SHE WAS VERY LOYAL
TO HER FATHER.

CAN'T IMAGINE BOBBY
WAS TOO HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU
FOR COMING IN, SUSAN.

YOU CAN GO NOW.

Murley: THE INVESTIGATORS
REALIZE THAT THERE IS A CONFLICT

BETWEEN BOBBY AND MR. CLUTTER,

AND BY THE ACCOUNT
OF AN EYEWITNESS,

HE WAS THE LAST TO LEAVE
THE HOUSE THAT NIGHT.

HELLO, BOBBY.

I'M AGENT NYE...

[ EXHALES ]

...WITH THE KBI
INVESTIGATING THE MURDERS.

I KNOW YOU WERE AT
THE CLUTTERS' HOUSE LAST NIGHT.

I NEED YOU TO TELL ME
WHAT HAPPENED.

I WAS CALLING ON NANCY.

WE WATCHED TV...

ME AND MR. CLUTTER
AND KENYON AND NANCY.

I LEFT AT 10:30...

...AND THAT'S
THE LAST I SAW OF THEM.

MR. CLUTTER DIDN'T SEEM TO THINK
THERE WAS MUCH OF A FUTURE

BETWEEN YOU
AND HIS DAUGHTER, DID HE?

Evans: THEY SUGGEST THAT
NANCY TRIED TO BREAK IT OFF

WITH BOBBY THAT NIGHT
AND THAT IT MADE HIM SO ANGRY,

THAT WAS HIS REASON
TO ATTACK THE FAMILY.

WHO TOLD YOU THAT?

BOBBY, I'M BEGINNING
TO BELIEVE

THAT YOU'RE NOT TELLING ME
THE WHOLE TRUTH.

WELL, YOU'RE WRONG.

YOU WILLING TO TAKE
A LITTLE TEST TO PROVE THAT?

[ CLICK ]

Agent: WERE YOU ROMANTICALLY
INVOLVED WITH NANCY CLUTTER?

YES.

DID YOU SEE
HER AND HER FAMILY

ON THE EVENING OF NOVEMBER 14th?

YES, I DID.

Murley:
HE DOES NOT WAVER FROM HIS STORY

THAT HE WAS WATCHING TV
WITH THEM,

HE LEFT THE HOUSE AT 10:30,

AND THAT WAS THE LAST
HE SAW OF THE FAMILY.

Evans: WHILE BOBBY RUPP IS
TAKING THE POLYGRAPH TEST,

THE INVESTIGATORS
SEARCH HIS HOME.

DID YOU HAVE
ANY BAD FEELINGS

FOR NANCY
OR MR. CLUTTER?

NO.

Evans: THE SEARCH
DOESN'T REVEAL ANYTHING.

THERE'S NO WEAPONS,
BLOOD, OR SHOEPRINTS

THAT MATCH THE CRIME SCENE.

THE PARENTS SWEAR THAT HE CAME
HOME RIGHT AFTER 10:30

AND WENT TO BED.

WERE YOU INVOLVED
IN ANY FASHION

WITH THE MURDER
OF KENYON, BONNIE,

HERB,
AND NANCY CLUTTER?

NO! I--

I LEFT,
AND THEY WENT TO BED!

THAT'S ALL I KNOW!

Evans: BOBBY TAKES THE POLYGRAPH
TEST, AND HE PASSES.

NOTHING TIES HIM TO THIS CRIME.

Al. Al.

Anything?

Nothin'.

You?

No.
Now what?

We need fresh eyes on the case,

someone who knows the place.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR
ANYTHING UNUSUAL.

IF ANYTHING SEEMS OUT OF SORTS,
PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

Evans: THE KBI TAKES
THE FAMILY'S MAID TO THE HOME

TO SEE IF
THERE'S ANYTHING MISSING.

NANCY WOULDN'T LEAVE
HER SHOES OUT LIKE THAT.

SHE ALWAYS
PUT THEM BACK.

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Murley:
WHAT THEY FIND IN NANCY'S ROOM

IS THAT SHE HAD TUCKED
HER GOLD WATCH

INTO THE TOE
OF ONE OF HER SHOES.

DETECTIVES?

IT MIGHT NOT BE ANYTHING,
BUT KENYON'S RADIO IS MISSING.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE
THE RADIO?

SMALL, ROUND
TRANSISTOR RADIO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

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Welch: AL DEWEY WAS OBSESSED
WITH SOLVING THIS CRIME.

IT REALLY WEIGHED ON HIM.

ALRIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Murley:
THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATION.

THERE WAS VERY LITTLE
EVIDENCE TO BE GATHERED

AT THE CRIME SCENE.

THE MOTIVE IS VERY DIFFICULT
TO FIGURE OUT,

AND THEY HAVE VERY FEW LEADS.

[ BELL TOLLING ]

WE TRIED TO PICK UP THE PIECES,
PRAY FOR ANSWERS,

BUT IN A COMMUNITY
LIKE HOLCOMB,

IT FOLLOWED US
EVERYWHERE WE WENT.

EVEN CHURCH FELT DIFFERENT
WITHOUT THE CLUTTERS THERE.

AFTERNOON, AL.

ANY CLOSER TO GETTING
THIS BUSINESS PUT TO BED?

WE'RE DOING
EVERYTHING WE CAN.

Evans: THE PRESSURE ON THE
AGENTS HAS INTENSIFIED.

ANYTIME THEY GO INTO TOWN,
THEY'RE CORNERED AND QUESTIONED

BY ALL THE TOWNSFOLK.

Murley: PEOPLE BEGIN TO LOCK
THEIR DOORS,

THEY BEGIN TO FEAR EACH OTHER.

WHAT WAS TAKEN FOR GRANTED --
PEACE, SECURITY,

A SENSE OF THE FAIRNESS
OF THE WORLD --

IS NOW RIPPED TO SHREDS
BY THIS CRIME.

Evans:
IN COORDINATION WITH THE POLICE,

THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER
OFFERS A $1,000 REWARD

FOR ANY INFORMATION LEADING TO
THE APPREHENSION OF THE SUSPECT.

[ RINGS ]

KANSAS BUREAU
OF INVESTIGATION.

[ RINGS ]

KBI.

Evans:
CALLS AND TIPS

COME FLOODING IN
FROM EVERYONE IN THE TOWN.

THEY WANT THIS PERSON CAUGHT.

AND OVER THE COURSE OF A WEEK,
THEY RULE OUT OVER 700 TIPS.

[ RINGS ]

KBI.

OKAY, SLOW DOWN.
SLOW DOWN.

AGENT DEWEY,

SOMEONE JUST SAW AN INTRUDER
AT THE CLUTTER HOUSE.

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Evans: FINALLY, DECEMBER 10th,
1959, 3 WEEKS SINCE THE MURDERS,

KBI AGENTS ARE CALLED TO
THE CLUTTERS' HOUSEHOLD

BECAUSE THERE'S A STRANGE MAN
LURKING AROUND INSIDE.

Nye: ALRIGHT.
ALRIGHT.

- STEP OUT SLOWLY.
- DROP YOUR WEAPON.

PUT THE GUN DOWN.
ON YOUR KNEES.

DROP YOUR WEAPON.

DROP YOUR WEAPON.
PUT THE WEAPON DOWN.

GET ON
YOUR KNEES!

Nye: GO ON.

GET ON YOUR KNEES.

Nye:
DROP THE WEAPON.

Murley: THE KBI AGENTS ARE
CALLED TO THE CLUTTER HOUSEHOLD,

WHERE A STRANGE MAN IS LURKING.

DO YOU WANT TO TELL ME
WHAT YOU'RE DOING

SNEAKING AROUND
THIS HOUSE?

I HEARD WHAT HAPPENED
TO THEM FOLKS.

I JUST WANTED
TO SEE FOR MYSELF.

Murley: HE TELLS THEM THAT
HE WAS AT THE CRIME SCENE

OUT OF A SENSE
OF CURIOSITY.

DO YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE
YOU'RE JUST SOME LOOKY-LOO

WALKING AROUND THIS HOUSE
WITH THAT GUN?

I'M NOT ALLOWED
TO CARRY MY GUN?

Evans:
HE HAS A SHOTGUN AND A KNIFE --

THE TWO TYPES OF WEAPONS
THAT WERE USED IN THIS CRIME.

AND THE AGENTS SEND THESE THINGS
OFF TO BE ANALYZED BY FORENSICS.

TAKE HIM IN.

YOU GOT
THE WRONG GUY!

Evans:
INVESTIGATORS QUESTION

IF HE HADN'T SHOWN UP
TO HIDE EVIDENCE.

YOU GOT
THE WRONG GUY!

Evans: JONATHAN DANIEL
ADRIAN IS FINGERPRINTED.

THEY GET A MUG SHOT, AND HE'S
CHARGED FOR CARRYING A WEAPON.

[ RINGS ]

NYE HERE.

OKAY. ALRIGHT.
JUST A MINUTE.

RECENTLY DISCHARGED
FROM A LOONY BIN.

Murley:
THE INVESTIGATORS LEARN

THAT HE HAD SPENT
A PERIOD OF CONFINEMENT

AS A MENTAL PATIENT
AT THE STATE HOSPITAL.

NO WONDER HE SEEMED OFF.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

Evans:
THEY KEEP ADRIAN IN CUSTODY

WHILE THEY WAIT
FOR THE FORENSICS

TO GET BACK ON THE WEAPONS.

AGENT DEWEY,
YOU SHOULD SEE THIS.

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INMATE, KANSAS
STATE PENITENTIARY,

SAYS HE KNOWS SOMETHING.

LET'S GO.

Evans: THEY GO TO THE
KANSAS STATE PENITENTIARY

TO SEE IF THIS INMATE
HAS ANY USEFUL INFORMATION.

WHAT'S UP?

WE HEAR YOU'VE GOT
SOMETHING TO SAY

ABOUT THE
CLUTTER MURDERS?

YEAH, WELL, I HEAR SOMETHING
ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

Evans: THE INMATE'S
NAME IS FLOYD WELLS,

AND HE'S INTERESTED
IN THE $1,000 REWARD.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT MONEY IF
WHAT YOU TELL US IS ANY GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

YEARS BACK,
I SPENT A FEW SUMMERS

HARVESTING AWAY AT
THE CLUTTER FAMILY FARM.

OKAY. SO?

SO I KNOW IT WAS A PRIME SPOT
FOR A GOOD SCORE,

AND I HAD A CELLMATE

WHO WAS VERY INTERESTED
IN HEARING ABOUT IT.

WHAT WAS THE NAME
OF YOUR CELLMATE?

FLOYD WELLS TELLS THE KBI AGENTS
HE HAD A CELLMATE,

RICHARD HICKOCK.

TELL US ABOUT HIM.

HE'S ARROGANT...

...FANCIES HIMSELF
AS A REAL TOUGH GUY.

YOU THINK A FARMER MAKES
THAT KIND OF MONEY?

I KNOW FOR A FACT IT COST HIM
$10,000 A WEEK

JUST TO KEEP HIS
WHOLE OPERATION RUNNING.

DO YOU THINK HE KEEPS
THE CASH IN THE HOUSE?

Evans:
FLOYD TELLS HICKOCK

THAT THERE'S A SAFE
WITH $10,000 IN THEIR HOME

AND THAT IT WOULD BE
AN EASY SCORE FOR ANY CRIMINAL.

$10,000...

JUST SITTIN' THERE?

WHO ELSE
IS IN THE HOUSE?

Murley: HE STARTS QUESTIONING WELLS
VERY CLOSELY, ASKING HIM THINGS LIKE,

"WHERE EXACTLY IS THE HOUSE?

HOW MANY PEOPLE
LIVE IN THIS HOUSE?"

WAIT 'TIL PERRY HEARS
ABOUT THIS.

HE JUST GOT SPRUNG
ON PAROLE.

THIS IS JUST
HIS KIND OF SCORE.

WHO IS THIS PERRY
HE TALKED ABOUT?

PERRY SMITH.

HICKOCK GOES ON TO TELL WELLS
ABOUT A FRIEND OF HIS NAMED

NAMED PERRY SMITH,

WHO HE DESCRIBES
AS A HARDENED KILLER.

HEY, WHAT ABOUT THAT
REWARD MONEY?

WE'LL SEE.

HE DID WORK
ON THAT FARM.

COULD BE SOMETHING.

OR IT'S THE REWARD
MONEY TALKING.

AL DEWEY IS RIGHT TO BE
SUSPICIOUS OF INFORMATION

FROM A SNITCH
IN THE PENITENTIARY.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, A SNITCH
WILL SOMETIMES TELL YOU

WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

MEANWHILE, THEY HAVE CONCLUDED
THAT JONATHAN DANIEL ADRIAN,

HIS ALIBI CHECKS OUT.

THE WEAPONS WERE NOT USED IN THE
MURDER OF THE CLUTTER FAMILY,

AND HE IS SUBSEQUENTLY RELEASED.

Evans:
BASED ON THIS INFORMATION

THEY'VE JUST BEEN GIVEN
BY WELLS,

THE DETECTIVES REALIZE

THAT THEY SHOULD BE SEARCHING
FOR MULTIPLE ASSAILANTS.

Welch:
THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE

UNDEREXPOSED SEVERAL SHOTS
OF THE CRIME SCENE,

AND IT REVEALED A SECOND
BOOT SOLE IN THE BASEMENT.

THE SECOND FOOTPRINT CONFIRMS

THAT MORE THAN ONE PERSON
WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CRIME.

THIS IS HICKOCK.

Evans: AGENTS LOOK THROUGH
RICHARD HICKOCK'S FILES,

AND THEY DISCOVER THAT
HE HAD BEEN ARRESTED

FOR PETTY THEFT AND FRAUD.

AND HE WAS OUT ON PAROLE
AT THE TIME OF THE MURDERS.

LET'S GET HIM.

MR. HICKOCK.

MA'AM.

Murley: THEY FIND OUT THAT
HICKOCK IS LIVING WITH HIS PARENTS

IN OLATHE, KANSAS.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR
YOUR SON, RICHARD.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
HE'S COMPLYING

WITH THE TERMS
OF HIS PAROLE.

HE'S WITH
THAT FRIEND OF HIS.

WHO IS THAT?

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Radke:
HICKOCK'S PARENTS SAY

THAT RICHARD HAS HAD
A NEW FRIEND SHOW UP,

A MAN BY THE NAME
OF PERRY SMITH.

HE'S A DRIFTER.
HE STARTS FIGHTS,

AND I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE
LIKE THAT AROUND THE HOUSE.

WHEN WAS THIS?

NOVEMBER SOMETIME?

THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.

Radke: SO WHEN AGENT NYE
ASKS MR. HICKOCK

WHERE HIS SON WAS DURING
THE WEEKEND OF NOVEMBER 15th...

HE TELLS HIM THAT THEY BOTH
WERE IN FORT SCOTT, KANSAS,

TRYING TO FIND
PERRY SMITH'S SISTER.

Nye: THAT YOUR
SHOTGUN, MR. HICKOCK?

NO, THAT'S DICK'S.

HE'S PARTIAL
TO HUNTIN'.

THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TIME.

Radke: AGENT NYE RESEARCHES
PERRY SMITH'S FILES,

AND THEY DISCOVER THAT PERRY
DOES INDEED HAVE A SISTER.

HEY.

WE REACHED
PERRY'S SISTER.

SAYS SHE HASN'T
SEEN HIM IN YEARS.

Murley: THEY FIND OUT THAT
PERRY SMITH'S SISTER

DOES NOT LIVE IN FORT SCOTT.

SHE IS LIVING IN SAN FRANCISCO,

AND SHE TELLS THEM THAT
SHE'S AFRAID OF HER BROTHER.

STAFF SERGEANT,
LET'S GET THIS OUT IMMEDIATELY.

Radke: NOW WITH THIS HOT LEAD,
ALVIN DEWEY SETS OUT AN ALERT

TO 17 DIFFERENT STATES,
FROM ARKANSAS TO OREGON,

TO BE ON LOOKOUT FOR
RICHARD HICKOCK AND PERRY SMITH.

[ RINGS ]

DEWEY HERE.

OKAY.

HE I.D.'d HIM
AS HICKOCK?

GOOD.

We got a license plate.

SO AL DEWEY GETS A CALL
ABOUT SOME BAD CHECKS

THAT HAD BEEN WRITTEN BY
RICHARD HICKOCK IN KANSAS CITY.

Radke:
AND A SUIT SALESMAN WROTE DOWN

THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER
TO THE VEHICLE

HICKOCK WAS DRIVING.

THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE BREAK.

NOW DEWEY CAN SEND
TO STATE POLICE AGENCIES

THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER,
WHICH ALLOW OFFICERS

TO MORE READILY
LOCATE THESE SUSPECTS.

GREAT.
THANKS.

[ FILM PROJECTOR WHIRRING ]

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[ INDISTINCT CONVERSATION ]

Radke:
ON DECEMBER 30th, 1959,

SIX WEEKS SINCE THE CLUTTERS
WERE MURDERED...

Evans: ...POLICE OFFICERS IN
LAS VEGAS FIND TWO SUSPECTS

THAT ARE TRYING TO SQUEEZE
IN A LARGE BOX INTO THEIR CAR.

THE OFFICERS CHECK THE PLATE
ON THIS CAR,

AND THEY REALIZE
THAT IT'S A PERFECT MATCH

FOR THE CAR LICENSE PLATE

FROM THE SUIT SALESMAN
BACK IN KANSAS.

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Woman: IT HAD BEEN 6 WEEKS SINCE
THE CLUTTERS WERE TAKEN FROM US,

BUT FOR ALL OF US IN HOLCOMB,
IT FELT LIKE AN ETERNITY.

AND FINALLY, WE HEARD THEY GOT
A LEAD, LIKE A LIGHTNING BOLT,

HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY
IN LAS VEGAS.

Radke: KBI AGENTS GET A PHONE CALL
FROM LAS VEGAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

Evans: THEY HAVE HICKOCK
AND SMITH IN CUSTODY.

[ CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS ]

KBI AGENTS THEN TELL
LAS VEGAS POLICE

NOT TO TELL SMITH AND HICKOCK

WHY THE REAL REASON
THEY'RE BEING ARRESTED.

THEY WANT TO HAVE THE ELEMENT
OF SURPRISE ON THEIR SIDE.

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WHEN THE KBI AGENTS
ARRIVE IN LAS VEGAS,

THEY LOOK AT THE BOX
THAT HICKOCK AND SMITH

HAD PICKED UP
FROM THE POST OFFICE.

SAME KNOTS.
CUT IT OPEN.

PRESERVE THE KNOTS.

[ SCISSORS SNIPPING ]

IT'S OUR
MISSING RADIO.

Murley: IN THAT BOX ARE BOTH
HICKOCK'S AND SMITH'S SHOES.

ONE OF THE ONLY CLUES LEFT
AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME

ARE FOOTPRINTS.

WE GOT 'EM.

Evans: AND WHEN THEY LOOK AT
THE SHOE PATTERN ON THE BOTTOM,

IT'S A PERFECT MATCH.

THERE'S THOUSANDS OF THESE
ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

RADIO'S GENERIC, TOO.

WE NEED THIS CASE
TO BE AIRTIGHT.

Radke:
THE BOOTS ARE COMMON.

THEY'RE USED IN
CONSTRUCTION WORKERS,

THEY'RE USED BY
MOTORCYCLE ENTHUSIASTS.

THERE IS A CHANCE THAT,
WITHOUT A CONFESSION,

THESE TWO CRIMINALS
WILL NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE

FOR THE CLUTTER HOMICIDES.

SO LET'S GO TALK
TO 'EM.

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OKAY, DICK.

NOW, YOU'RE VIOLATING
YOUR PAROLE TWO WAYS.

YOU LEFT THE STATE,

AND YOU'RE ASSOCIATING
WITH ANOTHER KNOWN FELON.

WHAT ARE WE
GONNA DO ABOUT THAT?

I'M PERRY'S ONLY FRIEND.

SOMEBODY HAD TO TAKE HIM
TO HIS SISTER'S,

AND WHAT WAS
I SUPPOSED TO DO?

TURN HIM AWAY?

HICKOCK IS WILLING TO TALK.
IN FACT, HE WON'T SHUT UP.

A SISTER?

SHE'S THE ONE
THAT LIVES WHERE?

FORT SCOTT.

YEAH.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT
UNTIL WE GOT THERE.

SHE DONE CLEAN MOVED OUT --
NOT A WORD TO PERRY.

Radke:
HICKOCK GAVE THE SAME STORY

THAT HIS PARENTS
HAD GIVEN THE AGENT --

THAT HE AND PERRY SMITH
HAD GONE DOWN TO FORT SCOTT

TO PICK UP SOME MONEY

THAT PERRY'S SISTER
WAS HOLDING FOR HIM.

MY SISTER
WASN'T THERE ANYWAY.

SHE WASN'T THERE?

SO WHAT YOU'D DO THEN?

NOTHIN'.

THEN YOU, WHAT, TURN AROUND
AND HEAD HOME?

WELL, WE HAD
TO CONSOLE OURSELVES,

DIDN'T WE, GENTLEMEN?

AND WHAT'S THE EASIEST
WAY TO DO THAT

BUT IN THE COMPANY OF...
SOME BLOND CHICKENS?

[ LAUGHS ]

OH, YEAH.

DICK WANTED TO GET
SOME WHORES, SO...

THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

WHAT WERE THEIR NAMES?

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU REMEMBER THE NAMES
OF YOURS?

Radke: PERRY SMITH TRIES
TO GIVE THE SAME ANSWER,

BUT HE'S NOT LINING UP
THE DETAILS

WITH THE STORY
THAT HICKOCK GAVE.

LOOK, I HOPE YOU GUYS
CAN CUT ME SOME SLACK HERE.

MY, UM... MY OLD MAN'S
NOT DOING SO GOOD.

THIS WHOLE AGGRAVATION
WOULD --

WELL, IF WE
COULD AVOID IT...

YEAH.

I DON'T THINK
YOUR FATHER'S

GONNA HAVE TO
WORRY ABOUT THAT.

[ Chuckling ]
I'LL BE DAMNED!

I'M -- I'M -- I'M GLAD
WE COULD... BE REASONABLE.

NO, YOUR FATHER'S
GONNA HAVE MUCH...

MUCH BIGGER THINGS
TO WORRY ABOUT, DICK...

LIKE HAVING
A MURDERER FOR A SON.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL
YOU MEAN BY THAT.

WHAT I MEAN IS,
YOU AND YOUR BUDDY, SMITH,

NEVER WERE IN FORT SCOTT.

YOU COULDN'T HAVE BEEN 'CAUSE
YOU WERE IN HOLCOMB, KANSAS...

I'VE NEVER BEEN
TO HOLCOMB.

...IN A FARMHOUSE OWNED
BY THE CLUTTER FAMILY.

Evans: THEY MENTION
THE CLUTTER FAMILY TO HICKOCK,

AND IT CAUSES HIM
TO FLINCH A LITTLE BIT,

BUT HE CONTINUES DENYING
KNOWING THIS FAMILY

OR KNOWING ANYTHING
ABOUT THE MURDERS.

YOU WERE LOOKING
FOR A SAFE

THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT FROM
SOME PRISON BUDDY OF YOURS.

NO.

AND WHEN
YOU COULDN'T FIND IT,

YOU AND SMITH EXECUTED
THE ENTIRE CLUTTER FAMILY.

LOOK, I DON'T KNOW WHERE

YOU'VE COME UP WITH
THIS PACK OF LIES,

BUT IF --

THAT WAS TAKEN FROM
THE SCENE OF THE CRIME.

THAT'S A PERFECT MATCH
TO A PAIR OF BOOTS

THAT YOU BOTH HAD
IN YOUR CAR.

I SUGGEST
YOU START TALKING.

IT'S ALL PERRY.

HE KILLED 'EM ALL.

Radke: AFTER SEVEN
WEEKS OF INVESTIGATING,

THE KBI AGENTS FINALLY
HAVE THE SUSPECTS

IN THE QUADRUPLE HOMICIDE
OF THE CLUTTER RESIDENCE.

DICK SAYS
YOU'RE THE GUILTY ONE.

Murley: SMITH AND HICKOCK ARE
APPREHENDED IN LAS VEGAS,

AND THEY WAIVE EXTRADITION
BACK TO KANSAS.

ON THE WAY BACK, ALVIN DEWEY
IS TRAVELING WITH PERRY SMITH.

I ALWAYS KNEW HE'D SPILL
HIS GUTS OUT ON THE TABLE

WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO IT.

Radke: AL DEWEY IS TELLING
PERRY SMITH THAT,

"HICKOCK'S PUTTING
ALL THE MURDERS ON YOU,

THAT YOU'RE THIS
NATURAL-BORN KILLER."

THAT NOT TRUE, PERRY?

IS THAT
NOT HOW IT HAPPENED?

I'LL TELL YOU
HOW IT HAPPENED.

[ ENGINE TURNS OFF ]

Smith:
I don't know, Dick.

Something doesn't feel
right to me.

I think we should
get out of here.

You're not gonna chicken
out on me now, are you?

No. I just have a bad feeling,
and I think we should go.

No.

We've come way too far.

Let's go.

Murley: PERRY SMITH TELLS DEWEY
THAT, ON THE NIGHT OF THE CRIMES,

HE WAS MORE APPREHENSIVE,
MORE ANXIOUS THAN HICKOCK.

HE HAS BEEN ALL ALONG.

HE'S NOT SURE HE WANTS
TO GO THROUGH WITH IT.

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Hickock:
He's not here.

He's gone.

Smith: Okay.

HICKOCK IMMEDIATELY TRIES
TO LOOK FOR THE SAFE

THAT WELLS HAD TOLD HIM ABOUT.

Okay.

Man, I'm not seeing any safe.

Well, keep looking.

I've got nothin'.

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Dick, we're gonna have
to wake up the old man.

Let's go.

HICKOCK GOES INTO
HERB CLUTTER'S BEDROOM,

SHINES A FLASHLIGHT IN HIS FACE,
AND WAKES HIM UP.

EASY, EASY, EASY.

WHAT?
EASY.

TURN AROUND.
BACK TO US.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO,
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

PLEASE, PLEASE.

PLEASE,
PLEASE, PLEASE.

TELL US WHERE THE SAFE IS,
AND NOBODY GETS HURT.

THERE'S NO SAFE.

HE'S LYING.

Radke: HICKOCK'S ANGRY
BECAUSE HE THINKS

THAT HERB CLUTTER'S
LYING TO HIM,

THAT HE'S TRYING TO
PROTECT THE MONEY.

LET'S GO.
NO. PLEASE!

I'LL GIVE YOU
ANYTHING YOU WANT.

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Murley: MEANWHILE,
PERRY SMITH CUTS THE PHONE CORD...

...AND HE NOTICES A SHADOW
AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS.

PERRY REALIZES THAT SOMEBODY
IS AWAKE UPSTAIRS.

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Radke: WHILE THERE'S NO
WAY TO KNOW FOR SURE,

IT DOES APPEAR THAT
IT WAS NANCY CLUTTER.

SHE HEARD SOMETHING, CAME TO
THE FOOT OF THE STAIRS,

AND THEN SHE RAN
BACK TO HER ROOM

TO HIDE THE GOLD WATCH
HER FATHER GAVE HER.

WE HAD TO WAKE UP
MR. CLUTTER,

AND HE SAID THERE
NEVER WAS ANY SAFE,

AND DICK WAS
GETTING IMPATIENT.

SO WE TOOK MR. CLUTTER
UPSTAIRS,

AND WE WOKE UP
THE REST OF 'EM,

AND I TIED 'EM UP.

OH!
YOU'RE GONNA BE ALRIGHT.

Smith: AND THEN I TOOK MR. CLUTTER
DOWN IN THE BASEMENT.

JUST WAIT ONE SECOND.

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Murley: PERRY SMITH TAKES
HERB INTO THE BOILER ROOM.

HE FLIPS THE MATTRESS BOX
ONTO THE FLOOR

AND PUTS HERB ON THE BOX.

JUST LIE DOWN.

LIE DOWN ON YOUR SIDE
RIGHT HERE, OKAY?

[ BREATHING HEAVILY ]

[ MUFFLED YELLING ]

YOU ALRIGHT?
[ Muffled ] LET ME -- LET ME GO!

Murley: PERRY SMITH
TIES KENYON TO THE SOFA.

HE COMES BACK OUT, PUTS
THE PILLOW UNDER KENYON'S HEAD.

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DICK!

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IT'S OKAY, PRETTY BIRD.

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DICK WAS TRYING TO HAVE
HIS WAY WITH THAT GIRL.

I BET HE DIDN'T
TELL YOU THAT.

GET OUT.

WHY SHOULDN'T WE
BE ABLE TO DO --

I SAID, "GET OUT."

OKAY.

Murley: SMITH ALSO
RELATES A SALIENT DETAIL

THAT HICKOCK WANTED
TO RAPE NANCY CLUTTER

AND THAT SMITH
PREVENTED HIM FROM DOING SO.

[ BREATHING HEAVILY ]
Smith: WHAT NOW? HUH?

WE'RE GONNA FIND
THE SAFE, MAN!

THERE IS NO SAFE, DICK!

Hickock: COME ON.
WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

I THINK IT'S --
HUH?

I THINK IT'S CLEAR!

DON'T PUSH ME.

DON'T PUSH ME.

WE SAID
NO WITNESSES, RIGHT?

THAT'S THE PLAN.

Murley: AND, SO,
THE TENSION BUILDS BETWEEN THE TWO MEN

AS THEY FEEL FOOLISH
AND TRICKED AND RIDICULOUS.

YOU GO FIRST.

Radke: THEY HAVE JUST BROKEN
INTO SOME MAN'S HOME AT GUNPOINT.

WHAT ARE YOU
WAITING FOR, DICK?

JUST GIVE ME
A SECOND.

THIS WAS
YOUR BRIGHT IDEA.

THEY HAVE WITNESSES NOW,
AND SO THEY'RE DESPERATE,

AND THAT MAKES THEM DANGEROUS.

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[ MUFFLED YELLING ]

[ GROANING ]

HERE YOU GO,
BIG MAN.

FINISH IT UP.

ALRIGHT.

YOU'LL FEEL BETTER.

Evans: HICKOCK NEEDED A
PARTNER TO DO THIS CAPER WITH.

HE CHOSE SMITH BECAUSE
SMITH IS UNSTABLE,

AND HE KNEW THAT,
IF THEY HAD TO KILL,

HE WAS GONNA BE
VERY CAPABLE OF IT.

OH! OH!

YOU DIDN'T EVEN
KILL HIM.

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[ SHOTGUN BLAST ]

[ Sobbing ]
NO! NO! NO! NO!

Murley: PERRY SMITH BLASTS
AWAY WITH THE SHOTGUN

AND KILLS HERB CLUTTER.

WHAT ABOUT THE KID?

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[ Muffled ]
NO! NO! NO!

[ GUN COCKS ]
NO! NO! NO!

[ SHOTGUN BLAST ]

Murley: HE GOES OUT AND KILLS
KENYON AT POINT-BLANK RANGE.

LET'S GO.

LET'S GO.

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[ GUN COCKS ]

[ Muffled ]
DON'T, PLEASE...

[ GUN COCKS ]
[ Sobbing ] PLEASE.

[ GUNSHOT ]

Reporter:
DEWEY, WHAT BROKE THE CASE?

[ REPORTERS SHOUTING QUESTIONS ]

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Radke: ULTIMATELY, THEY HAVE
NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE.

THEY CALLOUSLY MURDER THESE
PEOPLE FOR JUST SO LITTLE GAIN,

YOU KNOW, $40 AND A RADIO.

IT'S DESPICABLE.

Murley:
CAPOTE'S BOOK, "IN COLD BLOOD",

IMMORTALIZED THIS STORY
FOR THE WORLD.

THIS BOOK WAS REALLY
THE CATALYST

FOR A GROWING SENSE
OF FEAR OF CRIME

IN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

[ FILM PROJECTOR WHIRRING ]

PERRY SMITH IS A PSYCHOPATH.

HE ARTICULATES HIS ACTIONS
IN A WAY THAT'S VERY EMOTIONLESS

AS IF HE HAD BEEN KILLING
A CHICKEN OR A RABBIT.

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Woman: MY DEAR FRIENDS
WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY

IF ONE MAN
HADN'T TOLD A LIE...

...AND YET THAT MAN...

...IS THE ONE WHO WENT FREE.

Welch: AS I RECALL,
AL DEWEY WAS OF THE OPINION

THAT FLOYD WELLS SHOULD HAVE
BEEN PROSECUTED IN THIS CASE

FOR HIS INVOLVEMENT
IN GETTING THIS THING STARTED.

Evans:
FLOYD TOLD INVESTIGATORS

THAT HICKOCK
WAS A CON MAN AND A BRAGGER

AND ALWAYS TALKED
ABOUT HIS BIG SCORES,

AND JUST TO SHUT HIM UP,

HE LIED ABOUT THIS SAFE
WITH $10,000.

Welch: IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE
STORY THAT HE TOLD HICKOCK,

THEN I FIRMLY BELIEVE

MR. CLUTTER WOULD
NOT HAVE BEEN KILLED.

[ FILM PROJECTOR WHIRRING ]

THE CLUTTERS
WERE GOOD, GOD-FEARING FOLK.

THEY WERE KIND TO ANYONE
WHO CROSSED THEIR PATH.

Murley: THE CLUTTER
MURDERS CREATED A SENSE OF

THINGS AREN'T FAIR
IN THE WORLD.

PEOPLE THOUGHT, "IF THIS COULD
HAPPEN TO THE CLUTTERS,

IT COULD HAPPEN TO ME."

THOSE TWO MEN, STRANGERS
TO OUR INNOCENT, LITTLE TOWN,

KILLED NANCY AND HER FAMILY,

AND THERE WAS
NO GOOD REASON WHY.

AND WHEN MR. CAPOTE WROTE
"IN COLD BLOOD" ABOUT THE EVIL

THAT CAME FOR THE CLUTTERS,

FOLKS FROM FAR-OFF PLACES
WERE SUDDENLY OBSESSING OVER

WHAT HAPPENED
IN OUR LITTLE TOWN.

MAYBE THERE'S SOME PART
OF US THAT CAN'T HELP

BUT BE FASCINATED
BY BAD PEOPLE

AND THE TERRIBLE THINGS
THEY DO,

AS LONG AS WE CAN
TELL OURSELVES

THOSE THINGS ONLY HAPPEN
TO SOMEONE ELSE.

? TELL ME THE TALES THAT TO ME
WERE SO DEAR ?

? LONG, LONG AGO ?

? LONG, LONG AGO ?

? SING ME THE SONGS
I DELIGHTED TO HEAR ?

? LONG, LONG AGO ?

? LONG AGO ?

? NOW YOU ARE COME ?

? ALL MY GRIEF IS REMOVED ?

? LET ME FORGET THAT
SO LONG YOU HAVE ROAMED ?

? LET ME BELIEVE THAT
YOU LOVE AS YOU LOVED ?

? LONG, LONG AGO ?

? LONG AGO ?

? LONG, LONG AGO ?

? LONG AGO ?

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