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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,916 --> 00:00:19,125 All art, in a way, is the creation of illusion. 2 00:00:26,966 --> 00:00:32,674 He did it. The greatest goal scorer in National Hockey League history. 3 00:00:32,708 --> 00:00:34,583 It's Wayne Gretzky. 4 00:00:34,625 --> 00:00:37,833 Goal! Pelé! 5 00:00:44,125 --> 00:00:47,291 Jerry Rice is just unstoppable. 6 00:00:47,333 --> 00:00:49,541 Jerry Rice showing you why he's the best 7 00:00:49,583 --> 00:00:51,416 receiver in the National Football League. 8 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:07,750 The world illusion is the idea of 9 00:01:07,791 --> 00:01:11,333 measurement with certain systems of numbers. 10 00:01:11,375 --> 00:01:13,833 Whether it be so many... 11 00:01:40,083 --> 00:01:45,250 I don't think I was the most talented receiver to play in NFL. 12 00:01:45,291 --> 00:01:47,041 What does talented even mean? 13 00:01:47,083 --> 00:01:50,791 Talented, I'm talking about size-wise, speed-wise, 14 00:01:50,833 --> 00:01:57,208 you look at The Combine, and they base so much off the 40. 15 00:01:57,250 --> 00:02:01,583 If you can run a good 40 time, that can throw you right 16 00:02:01,625 --> 00:02:05,000 up into the first round, but that doesn't mean... 17 00:02:05,041 --> 00:02:07,500 uh, that you're going to be a great football player. 18 00:02:07,541 --> 00:02:11,375 Let me tell you. If they had me in the Hockey Combine, I would probably be 19 00:02:11,416 --> 00:02:15,291 rated at the lowest, because I couldn't bench 195 once. 20 00:02:15,333 --> 00:02:19,541 Jumping is not something that I was great at. 21 00:02:19,583 --> 00:02:23,791 My cardio was my forte, so I would do well at the anaerobic 22 00:02:23,833 --> 00:02:26,416 part of it, but that doesn't make you a hockey player. 23 00:02:26,458 --> 00:02:29,208 That's only part of making you a hockey player. 24 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:32,500 Sometimes we read way too much into this stuff. 25 00:02:32,541 --> 00:02:36,666 If you lined me up to run a 40-yard dash and I didn't 26 00:02:36,708 --> 00:02:42,500 have the uniform on, there's no way I could've run a good 40-yard dash. 27 00:02:42,541 --> 00:02:48,291 And that was the knock on me, that I was not fast like these sprinters, 28 00:02:48,333 --> 00:02:54,208 these guys that could run a 4-2, but I knew I had football speed. 29 00:02:59,750 --> 00:03:02,625 I loved the fact that people didn't think I was fast. 30 00:03:02,666 --> 00:03:06,125 There's a difference between being fast going around the rink once... 31 00:03:07,666 --> 00:03:10,625 but getting to loose pucks is a whole different speed, 32 00:03:10,666 --> 00:03:12,291 and it's a whole different kind of fast. 33 00:03:14,125 --> 00:03:17,166 As he gets a step on O'Callahan, off he goes, Gretzky. 34 00:03:17,208 --> 00:03:21,208 ...coming up... He scores. Gretzky with that deceptive speed. 35 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:24,000 I didn't have the hardest shot in the game, 36 00:03:24,041 --> 00:03:27,083 but I guarantee that I had one of the most accurate shots. 37 00:03:27,125 --> 00:03:29,041 If I saw a spot, I'm going to put it there. 38 00:03:29,083 --> 00:03:30,541 Perfect spot. 39 00:03:30,583 --> 00:03:32,375 I love data, right? I love data analysis 40 00:03:32,416 --> 00:03:35,083 and sports data analytics, but I think 41 00:03:36,083 --> 00:03:39,166 there are cases in which we become too slavish to it. 42 00:03:40,875 --> 00:03:43,500 So there's this... this almost desire to validate 43 00:03:43,541 --> 00:03:45,500 everything by data, and it's backward. 44 00:03:45,541 --> 00:03:47,708 It's making something important because we can measure it. 45 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:49,708 It's not measuring it because it's important, 46 00:03:49,750 --> 00:03:51,333 and so I think it can end up 47 00:03:51,375 --> 00:03:52,708 putting coaches in a sort of pigeon hole, where 48 00:03:52,750 --> 00:03:56,059 everything they have to do has to be measurable. 49 00:03:57,250 --> 00:04:00,250 Poor build, skinny. Lacks mobility and ability to avoid... 50 00:04:00,291 --> 00:04:03,208 Lacks a very strong arm. Lacks great physical stature. 51 00:04:03,250 --> 00:04:05,750 One of the slowest quarterbacks in The Combine. 52 00:04:10,283 --> 00:04:13,783 I think The Combine measures are stupid, so that's a different thing. 53 00:04:13,808 --> 00:04:15,249 They don't test for creativity at all. 54 00:04:15,274 --> 00:04:21,130 I'm not against stats or data, it's all very important. 55 00:04:21,155 --> 00:04:24,334 Diagnostically, it's helpful. 56 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:27,925 The problem is, it-- it-- the tail has started to 57 00:04:27,966 --> 00:04:31,800 wag the dog here in all kinds of fields. 58 00:04:34,858 --> 00:04:36,525 If the stats come to dominate your judgment, 59 00:04:36,566 --> 00:04:38,233 then you're not showing any judgment at all. 60 00:04:39,608 --> 00:04:41,650 The game is about having the puck. 61 00:04:41,691 --> 00:04:43,650 The game is about scoring goals. 62 00:04:43,691 --> 00:04:47,608 It's not about push-ups and how high a guy can jump off the ice. 63 00:04:47,650 --> 00:04:50,983 Why don't people say, "We need guys like Wayne Gretzky." 64 00:04:51,025 --> 00:04:53,983 -Yes. -Someone study him. Do what he does. 65 00:04:54,025 --> 00:04:57,108 Why does everyone look at you and say, "This is the exception." 66 00:04:57,150 --> 00:05:03,373 -I mean, everyone wants to see a Wayne Gretzky. -Yeah. 67 00:05:20,841 --> 00:05:23,633 When the human genome was sequenced, there was this hopeful thinking 68 00:05:23,675 --> 00:05:26,466 that there'd be one gene that has the shape of your nose 69 00:05:26,508 --> 00:05:28,966 and one gene determines you height et cetera, et cetera. 70 00:05:29,008 --> 00:05:33,258 But it actually turns out the networks of genes work together in 71 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:37,883 incredibly complicated ways that then interact with the environment. 72 00:05:37,925 --> 00:05:40,758 Who is the most impressive athlete that you've ever seen? 73 00:05:49,925 --> 00:05:53,008 The Garrincha rose to the top of world football is even more 74 00:05:53,050 --> 00:05:56,383 remarkable when you consider that he was born with such a disability. 75 00:05:56,425 --> 00:05:58,841 Garrincha was a physical impossibility. 76 00:05:58,883 --> 00:06:02,175 He had one knee that went in and one knee that went out. 77 00:06:02,216 --> 00:06:05,883 Normally, people have both knees going in or both going out. 78 00:06:05,925 --> 00:06:08,300 In theory, he shouldn't have even been able to walk. 79 00:06:23,721 --> 00:06:25,716 Fans are having a hard time breathing. 80 00:06:26,591 --> 00:06:28,659 Completely unpredictable. 81 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:44,616 But his disability influenced his style. 82 00:07:02,241 --> 00:07:04,908 Rocky Marciano was one of the greatest heavyweights by 83 00:07:04,950 --> 00:07:07,700 common consent in the history of heavyweight boxing. 84 00:07:07,741 --> 00:07:12,158 He was fierce and completely unconventional. 85 00:07:13,908 --> 00:07:18,033 He was lighter than most heavyweights, shorter 86 00:07:18,075 --> 00:07:25,575 than many of them and had a very short reach. 87 00:07:25,616 --> 00:07:29,783 67 inches, this way here, which is not very long. 88 00:07:29,825 --> 00:07:32,616 If you took that as a stat, then you'd never hire the guy. 89 00:07:32,658 --> 00:07:34,825 You had to devise this style of punch 90 00:07:34,866 --> 00:07:37,325 fighting that you did because of the short reach? 91 00:07:37,366 --> 00:07:39,491 Yes, that was the big reason. 92 00:07:39,533 --> 00:07:45,033 I had to sort of get low and try to come up, as we say, 93 00:07:45,075 --> 00:07:48,075 from underneath to get in close on an opponent 94 00:07:48,116 --> 00:07:51,158 because the closer I could get to an opponent, 95 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,741 the more damage I could do with the short arms. 96 00:07:53,783 --> 00:07:57,116 He realized the limitations of his own physique 97 00:07:57,158 --> 00:08:00,116 and developed a whole new style of boxing that suited him. 98 00:08:03,491 --> 00:08:09,533 A left. Another left a blazing right... 99 00:08:09,575 --> 00:08:11,866 He knocked out Joe Louis. 100 00:08:11,908 --> 00:08:16,075 He had over 40 professional fights and never lost. 101 00:08:16,116 --> 00:08:19,293 Mean hard punches are definitely weakening the challenger. 102 00:08:28,158 --> 00:08:33,246 What punch did you feel that you knocked Joe Walcott down with? 103 00:08:33,324 --> 00:08:34,991 I thought it was the right uppercut 104 00:08:35,033 --> 00:08:37,241 that really knocked him out. 105 00:08:37,283 --> 00:08:40,866 He didn't fit the textbook at all, but he turned out 106 00:08:40,908 --> 00:08:43,371 to be one of the greatest heavyweight boxers, ever. 107 00:08:45,408 --> 00:08:47,741 Part of my creativity was survival. 108 00:08:47,783 --> 00:08:50,616 I didn't have that sort of strength and size to be 109 00:08:50,658 --> 00:08:53,616 able to combat myself physically against other guys. 110 00:08:53,658 --> 00:08:56,950 At 14, I moved to Toronto to play bantam hockey, 111 00:08:56,991 --> 00:09:01,866 and I'm thinking, "Gosh, I was like 5"6 1/2, 125 pounds. 112 00:09:01,908 --> 00:09:07,741 Now I'm playing with some men." On the very first practice, 113 00:09:07,783 --> 00:09:10,887 this coach had me on the ice and he said, "When you go home 114 00:09:10,912 --> 00:09:14,158 tonight, the Leafs are playing Philadelphia Flyers." He said, 115 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,283 "You spend the next month and you watch Bobby Clarke play." 116 00:09:17,325 --> 00:09:21,700 Bobby Clarke was the first centerman that played on the power play 117 00:09:21,741 --> 00:09:25,075 and played the game out of the corners, not so much from behind the net. 118 00:09:25,116 --> 00:09:28,033 I studied him and I studied him and I watched him. 119 00:09:28,075 --> 00:09:32,455 It was new for people. I started playing out of the corner and from behind the net 120 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,249 because nobody had ever done that before. 121 00:09:34,283 --> 00:09:36,551 And I started using the net as a decoy. 122 00:09:37,158 --> 00:09:40,075 Consequently, I wasn't standing in front getting knocked over 123 00:09:40,116 --> 00:09:42,033 and being on my keister the whole time. 124 00:09:42,075 --> 00:09:44,325 Gretzky, still with it. 125 00:09:45,254 --> 00:09:47,116 Hanging on behind the net. 126 00:09:48,866 --> 00:09:50,491 Still has it. 127 00:09:50,533 --> 00:09:53,043 Centered it, scored! 128 00:09:53,825 --> 00:09:56,658 Well, you know, you can't chase him behind the net. 129 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:59,575 How are you going to stop that play? 130 00:09:59,623 --> 00:10:06,064 By the time they sort of... kind of figured it out, I'd retired. 131 00:10:07,526 --> 00:10:10,131 So, even at 13, 14 when I was playing 132 00:10:10,158 --> 00:10:12,128 against 19, 20-year-olds, and then 133 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:16,408 17 years old against men, I didn't have to change my game because 134 00:10:16,450 --> 00:10:19,908 my game always was the same in the sense that I wasn't going to rely 135 00:10:19,950 --> 00:10:23,950 on speed or power, that wasn't going to get me to the next level. 136 00:10:23,991 --> 00:10:26,241 What was going to get me to the next level 137 00:10:26,283 --> 00:10:30,491 was my wisdom and my vision on the ice. 138 00:10:38,883 --> 00:10:40,975 Jerry, okay, so do you feel like you 139 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,666 have better genetics than anyone? 140 00:10:43,708 --> 00:10:45,583 No, no, no. 141 00:10:45,625 --> 00:10:49,291 I worked on certain qualities that maybe I was lacking. 142 00:10:49,333 --> 00:10:54,083 Say, because of my speed, I had to run disciplined routes. 143 00:10:54,125 --> 00:10:56,000 Timing is everything. 144 00:10:56,041 --> 00:10:57,812 I got to have this clock in my head. 145 00:10:57,837 --> 00:11:01,587 The ball is halfway to you before you come out of that realm. 146 00:11:04,515 --> 00:11:09,107 There's no such thing as a sports gene, but there are innate biological factors 147 00:11:09,149 --> 00:11:11,007 that predispose some people for being 148 00:11:11,032 --> 00:11:13,583 successful in some sports, but I don't think that's really 149 00:11:13,625 --> 00:11:15,833 where we should look for the competitive advantage anymore. 150 00:11:15,875 --> 00:11:20,115 That takes care of itself, that filter, so the question is, 151 00:11:20,140 --> 00:11:21,999 where else do you look for the competitive advantage? 152 00:11:22,024 --> 00:11:23,312 What else is important? 153 00:11:29,416 --> 00:11:30,507 -Mama. 154 00:11:34,083 --> 00:11:36,291 At a very early age, children learn to speak. 155 00:11:36,333 --> 00:11:38,583 Nobody teaches them how to do it. 156 00:11:38,625 --> 00:11:40,833 Cause you couldn't, it's far too complicated. 157 00:11:40,875 --> 00:11:43,625 If you got a child, you don't sit this child down 158 00:11:43,666 --> 00:11:48,125 at the age of 18 months and say, "Look, we need to talk." No, they learn to do it, 159 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:51,291 and they'll learn five languages if they are exposed to them. 160 00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:54,291 If they are exposed to them at an early enough age, they will learn 161 00:11:54,333 --> 00:11:57,250 all sort of things which may become more difficult later on. 162 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:05,968 How old are you, Tiger? 163 00:12:07,932 --> 00:12:09,891 Two? 164 00:12:09,916 --> 00:12:14,164 That's the key to learning skills, is setting up an environment 165 00:12:14,189 --> 00:12:16,583 where someone learns implicitly the same way we learn language, 166 00:12:16,625 --> 00:12:19,541 so that you create an environment that forces them to 167 00:12:19,583 --> 00:12:22,041 learn things without articulating exactly what they're learning. 168 00:12:22,083 --> 00:12:25,208 When I was four years old, I used to watch hockey in Canada, 169 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:28,750 and I would take a piece of paper and draw a rink. 170 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:30,333 Then without looking at the paper, 171 00:12:30,375 --> 00:12:32,041 I watched a hockey game on TV 172 00:12:32,083 --> 00:12:34,041 and I would take my pen and I would 173 00:12:34,083 --> 00:12:38,125 follow the puck, and I would just... for 20 minutes. 174 00:12:38,166 --> 00:12:43,458 I would see where-- which part of the ice the puck was in more often than the other side, 175 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:46,250 and I would do it every game. 176 00:12:51,083 --> 00:12:53,250 Nobody told me to do it. Nobody... 177 00:12:53,291 --> 00:12:55,791 Your dad didn't say, "Try this out"? 178 00:12:55,833 --> 00:12:57,500 Because it seems like it's so simple. 179 00:12:57,541 --> 00:12:58,531 Yes. 180 00:12:59,541 --> 00:13:03,343 What I would do just to get the feel of the football 181 00:13:04,083 --> 00:13:08,140 when I was in bed, I would toss the ball up in the air 182 00:13:08,625 --> 00:13:13,000 and it was black dark in the room, and being able to catch the football, 183 00:13:13,041 --> 00:13:17,208 knowing exactly where I positioned the ball and being able to catch it. 184 00:13:26,983 --> 00:13:29,983 Developing skill in anything is 185 00:13:30,025 --> 00:13:31,608 this process of self-discovering. 186 00:13:31,650 --> 00:13:34,140 Anyone who's ever enjoyed training is because, 187 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,523 not just the game, the training, they love that process of self-discovery and of changing 188 00:13:39,548 --> 00:13:41,733 themselves and figuring out how that works. 189 00:13:58,601 --> 00:14:03,525 When we were kids, we used to knock on doors 190 00:14:03,566 --> 00:14:05,941 with your friends and say, "Do you want to play?" 191 00:14:05,983 --> 00:14:10,531 That's what we did, we went and played and we learned and we got creative. 192 00:14:34,650 --> 00:14:40,233 When I was ten years old, I played in a minor hockey team in my hometown Brantford, Ontario 193 00:14:40,275 --> 00:14:43,650 and there was a team in just the north of Toronto, and every 194 00:14:43,691 --> 00:14:47,025 tournament, they beat us 3-2 or 4-3 in the final. 195 00:14:47,050 --> 00:14:50,210 I remembered being in the car one day and driving home from the tournament. 196 00:14:50,242 --> 00:14:54,921 My dad was driving, and my dad said the most incredible 197 00:14:54,946 --> 00:14:57,898 statement, I always remembered since I was ten years old. 198 00:14:59,483 --> 00:15:02,566 He said, "You know, their team is better as a team than 199 00:15:02,608 --> 00:15:05,566 you guys are." but he said, "I'll promise you one thing. 200 00:15:05,608 --> 00:15:09,108 There won't be one boy from that team that ever plays in the NHL, 201 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:12,598 because they're too structured, they play too much of a team game. 202 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:15,066 The defense stay back, the left-wing and right-wing 203 00:15:15,108 --> 00:15:18,025 stay on their side, and for kids, that's 204 00:15:18,066 --> 00:15:20,691 not the way to play." Sure enough, there wasn't 205 00:15:20,733 --> 00:15:23,025 one kid on that team that made pro hockey. 206 00:15:23,066 --> 00:15:25,441 We had five boys off our minor team 207 00:15:25,483 --> 00:15:27,529 that made the National Hockey League. 208 00:15:29,650 --> 00:15:33,983 There's a great study recently out of the German soccer team that just won the World Cup, 209 00:15:34,025 --> 00:15:36,650 looking at the development path of the guys who made the national team 210 00:15:36,691 --> 00:15:39,816 and the guys who were one rung below that, and the only 211 00:15:39,858 --> 00:15:43,983 big difference they could come up with was that the guys who made the national team had a lot 212 00:15:44,042 --> 00:15:47,323 more time in unstructured small-sided play when they were young 213 00:15:47,348 --> 00:15:51,025 where the field might just be like an alley that wasn't normal proportions 214 00:15:51,066 --> 00:15:55,150 and continued with more unstructured play into pros. 215 00:15:55,191 --> 00:15:57,400 That was the main difference they could find. 216 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,983 A big part of it is giving people the freedom to experiment, 217 00:16:06,025 --> 00:16:09,108 to try and fail and make mistakes when they're younger. 218 00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:13,816 You actually see this in chess. If kids study too rigidly certain types of openings, 219 00:16:13,858 --> 00:16:18,358 they literally become stuck in a certain pattern of playing and hit a plateau 220 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,858 and never get better. They have to be given a certain amount of 221 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:25,082 unstructured time to create and to find themselves. 222 00:16:26,275 --> 00:16:29,358 If you take ten kids through a pond today 223 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,316 and said to them, "All right, go play." They'd say, 224 00:16:33,374 --> 00:16:37,331 "Well, what do we do?" Because they're all so 225 00:16:37,356 --> 00:16:41,150 structured now and it's so analytical now. 226 00:16:47,191 --> 00:16:50,983 We were much freer to come and go then than I think kids are now. 227 00:16:51,025 --> 00:16:53,815 There was much more free time in school than there is now. 228 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,941 We've lost our creativity and imagination that 229 00:16:55,983 --> 00:16:58,731 we used to have in the '60s and '70s and '80s. 230 00:17:03,150 --> 00:17:06,233 I was looking at a report recently saying that, 231 00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:09,900 on average, kids today in urban settings 232 00:17:09,941 --> 00:17:13,275 in America have less unstructured time 233 00:17:13,316 --> 00:17:15,275 than the average high-security prisoner. 234 00:17:15,316 --> 00:17:18,816 And if you think of it, that's probably right. 235 00:17:18,858 --> 00:17:20,816 Medium high-security prisoners get to get 236 00:17:20,858 --> 00:17:23,983 outside for like a half an hour a day. 237 00:17:24,025 --> 00:17:26,983 There's so much competitive balance now in sports, 238 00:17:27,025 --> 00:17:30,150 and there is so much money involved in the sporting world now. 239 00:17:30,191 --> 00:17:32,735 The parents of eight, nine and ten-year-old kids 240 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,650 are putting them in home school, they go to hockey academies, 241 00:17:37,691 --> 00:17:39,518 they go to football academies. 242 00:17:39,543 --> 00:17:41,574 They all have that dream of, "Okay, my son 243 00:17:41,608 --> 00:17:45,024 can make it and make all this money." 244 00:17:45,049 --> 00:17:50,816 I think there's this now, sort of, especially in sports, these forces that 245 00:17:50,858 --> 00:17:54,400 push parents towards specializing as early as possible in a sport. 246 00:17:54,441 --> 00:17:57,275 Where it's like, "Whoa, if your kid's not on the five-year-old travel team, 247 00:17:57,323 --> 00:17:59,948 then they're not going to be ready for the six-year-old travel team." 248 00:17:59,983 --> 00:18:02,525 Whereas the development of actual lead athletes is 249 00:18:02,566 --> 00:18:06,195 that they sample a bunch of sports early on, and only later do they specialize. 250 00:18:06,220 --> 00:18:09,650 I didn't start playing football till my sophomore year in high school 251 00:18:09,691 --> 00:18:14,233 because, to be honest, my mom, she didn't want me to play. She said it was too violent. 252 00:18:14,275 --> 00:18:16,516 I was a kid that when season ended, 253 00:18:16,541 --> 00:18:19,233 I threw my bag of hockey equipment down in the basement, 254 00:18:19,275 --> 00:18:22,733 couldn't wait to get my baseball glove on, we dreamed of whether it was 255 00:18:22,775 --> 00:18:24,608 a world series or whether we were playing 256 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:28,501 pick-up basketball or pond hockey, that we were that guy. 257 00:18:29,325 --> 00:18:32,325 I had the same passion and dream of playing major league baseball, 258 00:18:32,366 --> 00:18:35,741 but I wasn't quite as good and didn't make baseball. 259 00:18:35,766 --> 00:18:39,558 I read that you studied karate a little bit. 260 00:18:42,595 --> 00:18:46,408 Did that help you understand soccer? 261 00:19:05,950 --> 00:19:10,408 I remember back in the day, Bruce Lee, that was my favorite movie, man. 262 00:19:10,491 --> 00:19:14,991 This dude, the way he could you know, fight, he was. It was amazing. 263 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:18,008 And his toughness and all that. 264 00:19:18,033 --> 00:19:22,884 When you're in football, you got to be able to fight for your ground. 265 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:29,783 Each and every sport you participate in helps the sport you mostly love. 266 00:19:29,825 --> 00:19:34,283 Lacrosse is all hand-eye coordination, baseball, the mentality 267 00:19:34,357 --> 00:19:38,148 and the thinking of the game and having to be aware of each and every moment. 268 00:19:38,173 --> 00:19:41,423 There's one out, there's two out, there's runner and first, and that all rolls into 269 00:19:41,450 --> 00:19:44,700 the creativity and imagination that I had 270 00:19:44,741 --> 00:19:47,290 to have to become the athlete I became. 271 00:19:52,033 --> 00:19:54,533 Ironically, as well, I think parents who can afford it, 272 00:19:54,575 --> 00:19:58,908 they're trying to give their kids the best start they can by over-scheduling them, 273 00:19:58,950 --> 00:20:02,200 they become like social secretaries for their own kids, 274 00:20:02,241 --> 00:20:04,950 where they're driving from this club to that club, 275 00:20:04,991 --> 00:20:06,366 all in the belief that in doing that, they're 276 00:20:06,408 --> 00:20:08,587 giving them the best possible start. 277 00:20:11,715 --> 00:20:15,813 But actually, what kids often need is just time to hang out. 278 00:20:15,884 --> 00:20:18,850 They want the best for them, but it manifests in this over-management, 279 00:20:18,908 --> 00:20:20,783 in this trying to tell them how to do 280 00:20:20,825 --> 00:20:22,782 something, and it's just-- you can't work that way. 281 00:20:22,807 --> 00:20:24,248 Act like you want to play this game. 282 00:20:24,283 --> 00:20:27,291 -I am. -No, you're not. 283 00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:31,575 You're moping around, going half in the mile not getting the play. 284 00:20:31,616 --> 00:20:32,991 What is that? 285 00:20:33,033 --> 00:20:36,408 Come on, guys. You're killing me. 286 00:20:36,466 --> 00:20:39,382 Parents come up to me and say, "Will you tell my son how 287 00:20:39,408 --> 00:20:44,200 many hours a day you used to practice?" I say, "I didn't. 288 00:20:44,241 --> 00:20:48,450 You know, it was a passion. I would be there all day long because I loved it." 289 00:20:48,483 --> 00:20:51,325 Now, if you tell a ten-year-old, "You got to practice three hours a day 290 00:20:51,358 --> 00:20:55,123 because Wayne Gretzky did." That's not going to work. That's not going to cut it. 291 00:20:55,158 --> 00:20:56,825 What did it mean to his career? 292 00:20:56,866 --> 00:20:59,616 Well, we weren't concerned about his career. 293 00:20:59,658 --> 00:21:01,741 All we were concerned about is letting him 294 00:21:01,783 --> 00:21:04,616 live a life like everybody else. 295 00:21:04,658 --> 00:21:07,825 A 14-year-old boy, that's all he is. 296 00:21:07,866 --> 00:21:13,403 It was not life and death for us as a family that I had to play sports. 297 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,575 My case has always been that childhood is about the precious 298 00:21:29,616 --> 00:21:32,366 time and that lays the foundation for the rest of your life. 299 00:21:32,408 --> 00:21:35,283 -You know why you're famous? -Yes. 300 00:21:35,325 --> 00:21:36,950 -Why? -Because. 301 00:21:37,008 --> 00:21:40,635 -Do you love being a ninja warrior? -Yes. 302 00:21:40,667 --> 00:21:45,918 -Were you born to be a ninja warrior? -No. 303 00:21:47,283 --> 00:21:49,700 Part of that is just learning to play 304 00:21:49,741 --> 00:21:52,866 and relax and to do things where the stakes 305 00:21:52,955 --> 00:21:57,465 aren't too high and without necessarily having to pass a test as a result. 306 00:21:58,106 --> 00:22:00,147 - And he's off! 307 00:22:00,408 --> 00:22:03,283 Look at the athleticism from Yoshi. 308 00:22:03,325 --> 00:22:05,241 I think there's a fine line between 309 00:22:05,283 --> 00:22:07,200 being supportive in a way that's either going to make them 310 00:22:07,241 --> 00:22:08,817 lose the love of what they're doing... 311 00:22:10,783 --> 00:22:12,783 Wow, look at the upper body strength. 312 00:22:12,825 --> 00:22:16,474 ...or is going to make their learning like, "This is exactly 313 00:22:16,499 --> 00:22:18,795 what I have to do," where they're tightened up like this. 314 00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:23,601 Yoshi! Yoshi! 315 00:22:24,616 --> 00:22:27,075 I remember at 13, 14, buddies would call me 316 00:22:27,116 --> 00:22:28,950 and say, "We're going to the movies today. 317 00:22:28,991 --> 00:22:31,116 You want to go to a movie on Saturday afternoon?" 318 00:22:31,158 --> 00:22:34,325 "No." My dad would be saying, "You're going to a movie or not?" 319 00:22:34,366 --> 00:22:37,116 "No, I don't want to go. This is what I want to do." 320 00:22:37,158 --> 00:22:39,575 I go in the backyard and shoot pucks for two hours. 321 00:22:39,616 --> 00:22:42,484 It's what made me happy. 322 00:22:46,533 --> 00:22:48,780 Playing is a musical thing. 323 00:22:49,783 --> 00:22:51,033 It is a dance. 324 00:22:51,075 --> 00:22:53,218 It is an expression of delight. 325 00:22:58,991 --> 00:23:01,366 Well, if it wasn't for my dad, I would never have made it. 326 00:23:01,408 --> 00:23:04,241 My dad made me the athlete I was, he made it-- 327 00:23:04,283 --> 00:23:05,866 Did he know a lot about hockey? 328 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:09,960 He knew enough. He was a very smart man, my dad. 329 00:23:10,575 --> 00:23:12,165 Very intelligent. 330 00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:15,283 He seems to have eyes in the back of his head 331 00:23:15,325 --> 00:23:19,616 at times, but instead of forcing against 332 00:23:19,658 --> 00:23:23,075 the check, he has a knack of rolling with the check 333 00:23:23,116 --> 00:23:27,491 and he never gets hurt badly in that respect. 334 00:23:27,533 --> 00:23:29,689 - You're not scared? -No. 335 00:23:30,366 --> 00:23:32,783 He was smart enough to realize, for whatever reason, 336 00:23:32,825 --> 00:23:38,619 I had a gift and he pushed that gift to another level. 337 00:23:39,575 --> 00:23:41,408 When I was a kid and we used to do drills, 338 00:23:41,450 --> 00:23:43,853 I would do drills with tennis balls, and everybody 339 00:23:44,126 --> 00:23:48,469 would say, "Why is he stick-handling with tennis balls?" My dad would say, 340 00:23:48,494 --> 00:23:51,491 "Tennis balls bounce. When you're on the ice, if it's bouncing, 341 00:23:51,548 --> 00:23:54,506 it's harder to control, and if you learn how to control the tennis ball, it's going 342 00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:56,158 to be a lot easier to control the puck." 343 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,298 He is shooting, he scores! 344 00:24:01,116 --> 00:24:05,283 You see these rackets here, we teach the girls to throw 345 00:24:05,325 --> 00:24:09,700 the racket, and the reason we train that way is because 346 00:24:09,741 --> 00:24:14,790 we know that most girls are not able to throw that well, and that's 347 00:24:14,869 --> 00:24:19,712 why they are serving that as it should be in most cases. 348 00:24:42,620 --> 00:24:44,578 To me, that's one of the hardest 349 00:24:44,603 --> 00:24:46,116 things ever to do as a professional athlete, 350 00:24:46,158 --> 00:24:47,450 is following the footsteps 351 00:24:47,491 --> 00:24:49,173 of your dad, simple as that. 352 00:25:13,998 --> 00:25:19,484 My dad, he was a very... he was a disciplinarian and stuff like that, 353 00:25:19,509 --> 00:25:22,075 and he was one of those guys you didn't mess around with. 354 00:25:22,116 --> 00:25:24,575 If he wanted you to be somewhere at a certain time, 355 00:25:24,616 --> 00:25:29,700 you had to be at that place early or right on time. 356 00:25:29,741 --> 00:25:32,533 20 years, I played football. 20 years. 357 00:25:32,575 --> 00:25:38,783 I was late once, and I was late because I was caught in traffic. 358 00:25:39,108 --> 00:25:44,191 - Was your mom just as tough as your dad? -Uh, you know... 359 00:25:46,358 --> 00:25:51,389 You know, we always talk about the father being the backbone of 360 00:25:51,414 --> 00:25:56,343 the family and all that, but I think it was my mom. 361 00:25:57,448 --> 00:26:05,275 What I learned from my mom is that, uh, it's okay to be nice to everyone. 362 00:26:05,316 --> 00:26:10,400 I mean, even if you don't feel like it, take the time, be nice. 363 00:26:10,441 --> 00:26:13,525 It can go a long, long way. 364 00:26:13,566 --> 00:26:17,076 If you sat down and interviewed my dad, he'd tell you 365 00:26:17,101 --> 00:26:20,131 he can make another Wayne Gretzky because it's all about-- 366 00:26:21,917 --> 00:26:24,583 - You have brothers too. -Well... 367 00:26:24,608 --> 00:26:27,816 -Were they as motivated as you? -Not quite as motivated. 368 00:26:28,982 --> 00:26:31,691 They loved it, but not quite like I did. 369 00:26:31,733 --> 00:26:35,358 - They had the same kind of training and...-Yes. 370 00:26:35,416 --> 00:26:36,582 -...instruction? -Sure. 371 00:26:36,608 --> 00:26:38,233 They did everything I did, except 372 00:26:38,275 --> 00:26:39,928 maybe didn't do it as much. 373 00:26:40,525 --> 00:26:42,733 Then the other thing that they had to deal with 374 00:26:42,782 --> 00:26:46,287 that I didn't, was the pressures of being Wayne Gretzky's brother. 375 00:26:57,451 --> 00:27:00,066 What do you think is the best of your game? 376 00:27:00,108 --> 00:27:03,566 The best part of my game? Go ahead. 377 00:27:04,881 --> 00:27:09,881 I think It would be my return serves and my backhand. 378 00:27:11,358 --> 00:27:13,650 It was hard because it was all about Venus 379 00:27:13,691 --> 00:27:16,816 and you know, seeing her get all this attention 380 00:27:16,858 --> 00:27:20,608 and you don't want to feel like you're 381 00:27:20,650 --> 00:27:22,775 not worthy or you're not as good. 382 00:27:29,816 --> 00:27:33,316 When you're doing the same thing, but you're not getting any attention for it, 383 00:27:33,358 --> 00:27:34,483 it was kind of hard. 384 00:27:41,816 --> 00:27:44,233 I had to fight for everything that I have. 385 00:27:44,275 --> 00:27:47,373 I had to work so hard to get to her level. 386 00:27:47,816 --> 00:27:50,435 Serena will probably be a better player than Venus. 387 00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:53,724 That's not to compare my girls, but she will be. 388 00:27:54,525 --> 00:27:56,732 Explains my whole attitude in the court. 389 00:28:04,618 --> 00:28:07,576 Serena, it something like a pit bull dog. 390 00:28:08,162 --> 00:28:11,412 Once she get a hold to you, she won't let go. 391 00:28:18,233 --> 00:28:22,316 Miss Williams win-win championship match. 392 00:28:39,082 --> 00:28:43,291 The younger sister will take home the bigger trophy again. 393 00:28:43,316 --> 00:28:45,150 But now the embrace. 394 00:28:48,816 --> 00:28:50,650 That's the biggest rule. 395 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,756 When it comes to coaching and teaching 396 00:29:10,108 --> 00:29:13,431 and this pressure for conformity, 397 00:29:14,235 --> 00:29:17,588 Um, is the... The assumption that there is 398 00:29:18,049 --> 00:29:21,303 a formula that you can follow, and if you just get the formula right, 399 00:29:22,566 --> 00:29:24,701 if it's a great formula, you will be great. 400 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,941 This is easier. 401 00:29:26,983 --> 00:29:29,566 -Yes, we can handle it. -It's okay. 402 00:29:29,608 --> 00:29:34,941 The system itself is based on conformity and compliance and standardization. 403 00:29:34,983 --> 00:29:39,025 If we know anything about people, they are diverse, creative and want 404 00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:44,908 fulfillment and meaning, not drudgery and a kind of dreary, repetitive existence. 405 00:29:44,933 --> 00:29:48,097 So, if you promote conformity, don't be surprised if that's what you get. 406 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:08,034 It's much more often the case that 407 00:30:08,534 --> 00:30:12,094 the people who achieve real greatness don't fit the formula at all. 408 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:15,375 In fact, they break the mold, they do something completely different, 409 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,776 and that's true in all areas around, true about David Bowie. 410 00:30:21,733 --> 00:30:23,939 Because he wasn't trying to conform, 411 00:30:23,964 --> 00:30:25,659 his music was pretty dangerous 412 00:30:25,686 --> 00:30:28,983 and right on the edge and he didn't know if he'd ever come back from it. 413 00:30:30,874 --> 00:30:33,916 I had a day when I was playing hooky just a little bit from class, 414 00:30:33,941 --> 00:30:38,108 and the principal, he walked up behind me, he scared me, he noticed I could run fast. 415 00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:42,158 After I got punished, he wanted me to go out for the football team and I went out. 416 00:30:42,263 --> 00:30:46,888 And, everything else is history. That's it. 417 00:31:15,063 --> 00:31:19,854 Yes, I had one or two coaches that weren't exactly on my side. 418 00:31:26,650 --> 00:31:28,816 They wanted me to play sort of a system 419 00:31:28,858 --> 00:31:31,191 and a style that I wasn't accustomed to. 420 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,950 Consequently, that was one of the reasons why I left Brantford. 421 00:31:35,441 --> 00:31:39,608 The coaching wasn't copacetic to the style of play that I was playing 422 00:31:39,650 --> 00:31:43,425 and I knew it wasn't going to get any different as I got older. 423 00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:46,500 I got a chance to see videos of kids in the Netherlands who 424 00:31:46,525 --> 00:31:50,441 were tracked from the age of 12 up to professional soccer. 425 00:31:50,483 --> 00:31:52,275 The Netherlands is really good at soccer. 426 00:31:52,316 --> 00:31:56,233 You'd see the kids at age 12 who went on to the pros. 427 00:31:56,282 --> 00:31:59,275 There was a lot of differences in behavior within them, but a lot of them were these 428 00:31:59,333 --> 00:32:01,177 ones who were going up to their coach being like, 429 00:32:01,483 --> 00:32:02,941 "Why are we doing this drill again? 430 00:32:02,966 --> 00:32:05,375 What's this helping me work on? I think I can already do this. 431 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,900 It's too easy." And the coach is like . 432 00:32:07,941 --> 00:32:09,941 It doesn't mean, from the beginning, they disrespect all the rules, 433 00:32:09,999 --> 00:32:12,105 they just think there's some other way to do this. 434 00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:15,693 Look at this, Tom Brady and Bill O'Brien. 435 00:32:34,173 --> 00:32:37,731 We just still relish the sheer outrage that people felt 436 00:32:38,068 --> 00:32:41,858 when John McEnroe, with his sweatband 437 00:32:41,933 --> 00:32:45,660 and this kind of afro walked off the hallowed turf 438 00:32:45,685 --> 00:32:48,910 of Wimbledon and started screaming at the judge. 439 00:32:48,935 --> 00:32:52,775 You can't be serious, man. You cannot be serious. 440 00:32:52,816 --> 00:32:56,691 That ball was on the line. Shot blew up. 441 00:32:56,716 --> 00:33:02,902 His point was, "Now, I spent my life practicing this sport." 442 00:33:02,927 --> 00:33:06,025 -"Calling this ball out is a very big deal for me." 443 00:33:06,066 --> 00:33:08,691 How can you possibly call that out? 444 00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:11,269 They'll keep walking over, everyone knows it's 445 00:33:11,294 --> 00:33:13,841 in the whole Stadium, and you call it out? 446 00:33:13,892 --> 00:33:16,574 "This is my career we're talking about, and this is 447 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:20,404 a bad call." But they tried everything they could to box 448 00:33:20,429 --> 00:33:22,233 him back in and to tell him just to toe the line, 449 00:33:22,275 --> 00:33:27,005 literally, but the net result was, he improved the game. 450 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:31,629 They improved the training of judges, they improved the technology 451 00:33:31,654 --> 00:33:34,605 for line calls, and he was making a very serious point. 452 00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:38,334 But at the time, people just saw him as some kind of hooligan. 453 00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:44,293 That balance of freedom and control is very important. 454 00:33:44,318 --> 00:33:49,853 You see it in every field. It's like at Woodstock when Jimi Hendrix 455 00:33:49,878 --> 00:33:51,842 started playing The Star Spangled Banner. 456 00:34:01,891 --> 00:34:04,266 Nobody'd ever heard it played like that before. 457 00:34:06,016 --> 00:34:07,891 All senses, it turns out. 458 00:34:12,076 --> 00:34:16,125 He was so recognized for "The Star Spangled Banner" that played in that context 459 00:34:16,166 --> 00:34:19,583 in that way, it took on a whole new meaning for an entire generation of people. 460 00:34:19,632 --> 00:34:23,732 They're paradigm shifters, like they've mastered the fundamental body of work, 461 00:34:23,757 --> 00:34:26,357 and it's boring for them to do the same thing. 462 00:34:30,036 --> 00:34:35,666 Human achievement is often seen as 463 00:34:35,708 --> 00:34:37,177 achievement in the external world, 464 00:34:37,209 --> 00:34:38,747 but it's only made possible through 465 00:34:38,772 --> 00:34:40,106 achievements in the internal world. 466 00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:48,541 We are a species that lives on 467 00:34:48,583 --> 00:34:51,000 ideas and imagination, creativity. 468 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,250 The Gretzkys and the Jerry Rices, 469 00:35:18,291 --> 00:35:21,458 they look faster or quicker 470 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:24,958 than the next guy because they're like Neo in The Matrix. 471 00:35:36,477 --> 00:35:39,791 Ali did have one of the fastest reaction speeds ever recorded. 472 00:35:39,833 --> 00:35:43,750 He was like an intuitive neurologist, he moved his body in a way 473 00:35:43,791 --> 00:35:47,102 that took away that ability to anticipate for his opponents. 474 00:35:49,524 --> 00:35:56,125 Greatness in the military art is the art of being unattackable. 475 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,916 My awareness was my creativity to be able to sort of sidestep 476 00:36:02,958 --> 00:36:06,458 that big hit and to get out of the way of that big hit. 477 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:09,912 He's like a ghost, floating around the ice. 478 00:36:23,125 --> 00:36:26,638 It's almost like that football is so much bigger. 479 00:36:26,663 --> 00:36:29,000 Everything slows down just a little bit. 480 00:36:29,041 --> 00:36:31,833 You know, the rotation of the ball, I remember 481 00:36:31,875 --> 00:36:34,880 the nose of the ball just slows down. 482 00:36:41,882 --> 00:36:45,583 That's what great pianists do. Their fingers aren't like born ten times faster 483 00:36:45,625 --> 00:36:48,500 than everybody else's. They're economizing their movement 484 00:36:48,541 --> 00:36:50,125 and they're going to the next place that 485 00:36:50,181 --> 00:36:51,931 they know they need to go before they've 486 00:36:51,958 --> 00:36:53,624 even finished the first movement. 487 00:36:55,399 --> 00:36:58,500 That's a figment of true expertise. 488 00:37:01,041 --> 00:37:03,333 You're seeing what's going to happen before it happens. They have to. 489 00:37:03,375 --> 00:37:08,208 The game is so fast and it's played at such a high tempo on 490 00:37:08,250 --> 00:37:12,783 such a physical level, you don't have time to think on this. 491 00:37:22,308 --> 00:37:27,183 This ability to pick up on what look like disparate pieces 492 00:37:27,208 --> 00:37:30,166 of information and to quickly draw information from them. 493 00:37:30,208 --> 00:37:34,083 So again, in language, in a simple way, if I give you 20 random English words 494 00:37:34,132 --> 00:37:36,275 you'll have trouble memorizing them and giving them back to me. 495 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:38,791 If I put those words in a meaningful 20-word sentence, 496 00:37:38,833 --> 00:37:41,750 you'll quickly draw meaning from it and probably remember it 497 00:37:41,791 --> 00:37:44,333 because you've learned how to intuitively 498 00:37:44,367 --> 00:37:47,587 group these words into chunks that have great meaning for you so they're not chaotic. 499 00:37:47,612 --> 00:37:50,458 It's what Tom Brady has learned to do with a football field instantly. 500 00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:52,541 He can group players 501 00:37:52,583 --> 00:37:55,250 in a way that tells him what's coming next 502 00:37:55,291 --> 00:37:57,892 because he instantly draws information from it. 503 00:38:12,041 --> 00:38:14,583 Chemistry and algebra is really hard. 504 00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:17,291 Some kids breeze through it like it's nothing. 505 00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:21,875 They remember every single thing about it and get 100%, and they go 506 00:38:21,916 --> 00:38:26,916 "Oh, I get a 100% in algebra or whatever." In hockey, 507 00:38:26,958 --> 00:38:29,791 I can remember every single play, every single game, 508 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:35,215 every single night because it's the passion I had and it was easy for me. 509 00:38:35,250 --> 00:38:42,011 That's almost insane. That's not normal. I can't remember anything. 510 00:38:45,375 --> 00:38:48,500 This is what I've been told. I was always running in my sleep. 511 00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:56,458 You're playing the game in your sleep, 512 00:38:56,500 --> 00:39:03,995 and the majority of the time is like the next day. 513 00:39:04,666 --> 00:39:11,041 The way I visualized it, the way I dreamt about it, it happened that way. 514 00:39:12,833 --> 00:39:14,583 Just like that. 515 00:39:44,875 --> 00:39:48,208 Michael Jordan, the night before a game, 516 00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:51,009 Gretzky, Pelé, all of these guys, we played 517 00:39:51,034 --> 00:39:54,197 this game over and over in our heads before 518 00:39:54,222 --> 00:39:57,167 we actually go out and take the field. 519 00:40:06,875 --> 00:40:09,125 One of the world's experts in prodigy, someone named Ellen Winner 520 00:40:09,166 --> 00:40:11,291 at Boston College calls it a rage to master. 521 00:40:11,333 --> 00:40:14,458 She says there're two qualities of true prodigies. 522 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:19,416 It's a rage to master a certain domain like a complete obsessive. 523 00:40:19,458 --> 00:40:22,375 I think rage to master is pretty much self-explanatory 524 00:40:22,416 --> 00:40:24,541 and an ability to learn quickly in the domain. 525 00:40:24,583 --> 00:40:27,625 She's seen people who have the rage but not the ability to learn quickly. 526 00:40:27,666 --> 00:40:30,083 People have the ability to learn quickly but not the rage. 527 00:40:30,125 --> 00:40:32,208 And when these two things come together, then you 528 00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:34,530 have someone who can change their field. 529 00:40:35,843 --> 00:40:39,291 A lot of creative work comes out of-- may come from a flash of insight, but then you 530 00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:41,416 need the skills and the technique 531 00:40:41,458 --> 00:40:44,460 and the hard graft to make it actually work. 532 00:40:47,041 --> 00:40:49,916 Dick Fosbury of the United States 533 00:40:49,958 --> 00:40:51,916 getting ready for his jump. 534 00:40:52,224 --> 00:40:55,483 Clearly the most unusual jumper in this Olympics. 535 00:40:56,666 --> 00:40:58,958 His unorthodox style clearing the bar 536 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,569 has shocked the track and field world. 537 00:41:09,474 --> 00:41:12,641 It's working. Fosbury breaks the Olympic record. 538 00:41:12,675 --> 00:41:14,383 You're going over backwards like 539 00:41:14,425 --> 00:41:15,883 you can't see where you're going. 540 00:41:15,925 --> 00:41:18,633 Now, it's completely easy to understand 541 00:41:18,675 --> 00:41:20,466 from a physics perspective why that's 542 00:41:20,508 --> 00:41:21,966 the best thing to do because your center 543 00:41:22,008 --> 00:41:24,008 of mass is in the middle of the curl. 544 00:41:24,057 --> 00:41:26,030 It goes under the bar you don't have to jump as high. 545 00:41:26,055 --> 00:41:28,351 But scientists only found that after the fact. 546 00:41:28,376 --> 00:41:30,591 He was discovering this intuitively and saying, 547 00:41:30,649 --> 00:41:33,028 "This feels right to me" and being discouraged. 548 00:41:33,716 --> 00:41:38,091 I get to see Roger Federer warming up for the US Open one time. 549 00:41:38,133 --> 00:41:39,550 This is the guy who doesn't really need 550 00:41:39,591 --> 00:41:41,466 to practice his basic strokes anymore. 551 00:41:41,508 --> 00:41:43,883 Yet while most people are simulating games 552 00:41:43,925 --> 00:41:45,508 with their warming up. Here he is. 553 00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:48,508 He sets up like a ball-boy across the court 554 00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:51,508 and has the ball-boy hold his hand like this 555 00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:53,966 and starts trying to hit the ball into the ball boy's hand 556 00:41:54,008 --> 00:41:56,716 without having him move it and it's going a little bit up and to this side 557 00:41:56,741 --> 00:41:59,651 and sits there for like an hour doing this until... 558 00:42:07,716 --> 00:42:10,300 To be able to obsess on that little thing 559 00:42:10,325 --> 00:42:13,614 to have fun with that and the compulsion to have it. 560 00:42:16,783 --> 00:42:19,700 I think the vast majority of great athletes have that to some 561 00:42:19,741 --> 00:42:23,241 degree, whether it's Jerry Rice, trying to cut that route, again, 562 00:42:23,283 --> 00:42:27,325 just perfectly obsessing on that little bitty thing that other 563 00:42:27,366 --> 00:42:29,241 people would say, "Well, I've got it," good enough and move on. 564 00:42:29,283 --> 00:42:31,908 I think that's pretty unique. I think that's almost essential. 565 00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:37,606 The epitome of this is when Tony Hawk hold the first 900. 566 00:42:45,533 --> 00:42:49,200 He's on ESPN2 doing the X Games and he's missing. 567 00:42:49,241 --> 00:42:50,908 He's not rotating enough. 568 00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:52,450 He keeps missing and falling into 569 00:42:52,491 --> 00:42:54,200 the clock for his time runs out. 570 00:42:54,241 --> 00:42:56,783 He just keeps walking his board up there and getting 571 00:42:56,825 --> 00:42:58,741 a little closer, just a little more revolution. 572 00:42:58,783 --> 00:43:01,825 It's like eight minutes after the competition is over. 573 00:43:01,866 --> 00:43:03,491 The competition is over and he's just 574 00:43:03,533 --> 00:43:05,616 walking back up then over-rotates a little, 575 00:43:05,658 --> 00:43:07,825 under-rotates a little and he keeps coming back. 576 00:43:08,408 --> 00:43:10,491 Next is Tony Hawk. 577 00:43:21,408 --> 00:43:24,575 After his time is expired, he nails it and everyone goes crazy. 578 00:43:24,616 --> 00:43:30,731 He could not walk away without just honing that into the exact right angle. 579 00:43:32,072 --> 00:43:34,322 And that's the only motivation, really? 580 00:43:39,616 --> 00:43:42,991 At home, when you-- with your family, you try 581 00:43:43,033 --> 00:43:46,450 to devote that time to your family, but then 582 00:43:46,491 --> 00:43:49,408 once you put the kids to bed or something like that 583 00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:51,488 then you're thinking about football. 584 00:43:51,513 --> 00:43:54,200 Even on a Monday 585 00:43:54,241 --> 00:43:56,366 when you guys are resting like you would be-- 586 00:43:56,408 --> 00:44:01,450 I never did. Even on a Monday. Yes. 587 00:44:01,491 --> 00:44:04,658 You made more sacrifices than maybe anyone. 588 00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:07,575 Just say I was willing to put my body 589 00:44:07,616 --> 00:44:15,450 through in my mind just a little bit more. 590 00:44:15,844 --> 00:44:20,261 You have to assume that in NFL, like in any professional sports team, 591 00:44:20,286 --> 00:44:24,207 everybody is giving it 100% or else, it's their life. 592 00:44:24,248 --> 00:44:27,285 It's their career. It's everything to them, right? I mean-- 593 00:44:27,613 --> 00:44:32,345 That's really what they supposed to do, but, 594 00:44:32,572 --> 00:44:37,818 do they actually buy into it and give one 100%? 595 00:44:37,908 --> 00:44:42,122 As a player, I used to watch, each and every night, I watched every game. 596 00:44:46,491 --> 00:44:50,491 I could tell you who's playing well in January, 597 00:44:50,533 --> 00:44:53,533 how many points each and every guy had in the league. 598 00:44:53,575 --> 00:44:55,701 Who was physically hard to play against. 599 00:45:00,158 --> 00:45:05,075 Statistically and imaginatively, I studied it all. 600 00:45:05,123 --> 00:45:11,739 This obsession to work ethic, to that compulsive behavior, 601 00:45:11,764 --> 00:45:16,950 which it seems like these guys have. Can you identify them as obsessive-compulsive 602 00:45:16,991 --> 00:45:18,575 people, all of these guys? 603 00:45:18,616 --> 00:45:20,450 We've figured out how to breed animals for 604 00:45:20,491 --> 00:45:22,741 compulsive physical activities very, very easily. 605 00:45:22,783 --> 00:45:25,658 We know that some of these same genes exist in humans. 606 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:29,908 - Which animals? -Sled dogs, for example, have not been getting faster 607 00:45:29,950 --> 00:45:32,658 for decades, they've just been getting more voracious about running. 608 00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:37,261 And mice, is really easy. You take a group of mice, mice run every night voluntarily. 609 00:45:37,286 --> 00:45:39,741 If you take a group and you separate the ones that just voluntarily run 610 00:45:39,783 --> 00:45:43,033 a little bit more and the ones that run just a little bit less and breed them 611 00:45:43,090 --> 00:45:45,160 with each other and do that several times. 612 00:45:45,186 --> 00:45:47,536 After ten generations of doing that, 613 00:45:47,584 --> 00:45:52,019 you have entirely different animals. You have ones that are hitting the running wheel 614 00:45:52,044 --> 00:45:55,783 and just hammering and then, these other that are just slovenly laying on it. 615 00:45:55,825 --> 00:45:58,533 If you stop the ones that are compelled to run from running, 616 00:45:58,575 --> 00:46:00,158 they become depressed. 617 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,685 They're literally crackheads for running. 618 00:46:04,491 --> 00:46:06,283 How competitive were you? 619 00:46:06,325 --> 00:46:08,200 How motivated were you? 620 00:46:08,241 --> 00:46:10,866 -Like Michael Jordan-- -Yeah. 621 00:46:10,908 --> 00:46:14,739 No, no, no. Listen, there's competitiveness all different ways. 622 00:46:16,208 --> 00:46:17,849 You guys sit and ask me, "Where did my 623 00:46:17,874 --> 00:46:19,732 competition or my competitive nature came from?" 624 00:46:19,791 --> 00:46:22,872 My competitive nature has gone a long way 625 00:46:22,897 --> 00:46:25,692 from the first time I picked up any sport. 626 00:46:26,138 --> 00:46:30,491 As I moved on in my career, people added wood to that fire. 627 00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:34,883 Well, you look at Michael Jordan's Hall of Fame speech which is an incredible thing. 628 00:46:34,908 --> 00:46:40,283 Here he is, a guy who is synonymous with the sport basically. 629 00:46:40,325 --> 00:46:42,995 From his Hall of Fame speech, you would have thinked he was 630 00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:46,019 the guy who got picked last in kickball and never had any friends. 631 00:46:46,044 --> 00:46:49,020 To the coach who actually picked Leroy over me, I want 632 00:46:49,045 --> 00:46:52,474 to make sure you understood you made a mistake, dude. 633 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,616 I mean, there's Buzz Peterson, my roommate. 634 00:46:57,658 --> 00:47:01,722 Now, when I first met Buzz, all I heard about was this kid 635 00:47:01,747 --> 00:47:03,908 from Asheville, North Carolina who was the player of the year. 636 00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:06,950 I'm thinking, "Well, he's never played against me yet." 637 00:47:11,217 --> 00:47:15,195 Michael Jordan in a mid-air collision with a backboard. This is amazing. 638 00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:17,345 That's the high that young man get up. 639 00:47:18,033 --> 00:47:21,961 Buzz became a dot on my radar. 640 00:47:22,047 --> 00:47:23,450 Not knowingly. 641 00:47:23,491 --> 00:47:25,008 He didn't know it. 642 00:47:25,241 --> 00:47:29,147 Coach Smith, the day that he was on the Sports Illustrated 643 00:47:29,172 --> 00:47:33,158 and he named four starters and he didn't name me, that burned me up. 644 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,679 That burned me up. That burned me up. 645 00:47:37,950 --> 00:47:42,033 All he did was redress his grievances, some of which weren't even real. 646 00:47:42,075 --> 00:47:45,184 He was just creating these sort of conflicts 647 00:47:45,209 --> 00:47:50,707 and I think that can be um... You know to get motivated 648 00:47:50,732 --> 00:47:54,638 to try to do something that nobody else does or to harness your anger 649 00:47:54,818 --> 00:47:56,283 because it's not life or death, 650 00:47:56,597 --> 00:48:01,029 the games, but you have to act like it's life or death. 651 00:48:08,866 --> 00:48:12,759 For someone like me who achieved a lot and over 652 00:48:12,784 --> 00:48:16,283 the time of my career, you look for any kind of messages 653 00:48:16,308 --> 00:48:20,392 that people may say or do to get you motivated to 654 00:48:20,417 --> 00:48:22,325 play the game of basketball at the highest level. 655 00:48:22,366 --> 00:48:24,450 - Wayne. -Yes. 656 00:48:24,491 --> 00:48:28,866 In your early professional career as you were a youth, did 657 00:48:28,908 --> 00:48:32,329 anyone ever doubt you and say, "You know, Wayne Gretzky..." 658 00:48:32,354 --> 00:48:35,095 -Yes. A lot of people. -Did you know who those people were? 659 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,417 Sure. I read every article and it motivated me. 660 00:48:38,442 --> 00:48:40,120 -It motivated you? -Sure. 661 00:48:49,325 --> 00:48:54,542 Gretzky and Pelé, they want the ball 662 00:48:55,875 --> 00:48:57,583 you know, in their court. 663 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,875 You need a mentor. You need someone to teach you. 664 00:49:40,916 --> 00:49:44,125 You have to have guidance. You have to have that guidance. 665 00:49:44,166 --> 00:49:46,750 Once you get to a point, you hand them off to people who 666 00:49:46,791 --> 00:49:48,833 know what they're talking about and that's what my dad did. 667 00:49:48,875 --> 00:49:51,250 Well, my dad handed me off to a guy, he handed me 668 00:49:51,291 --> 00:49:54,619 to Glen Sather, who was exactly like my dad. They both had the same 669 00:49:54,644 --> 00:49:59,923 sort of thoughts of what was going to make me the player that I would become. 670 00:49:59,948 --> 00:50:02,791 You got quite a few fathers on a hockey club like this, I would say. 671 00:50:02,841 --> 00:50:06,744 Fathers and big brothers and all their brothers. You're looked after pretty good. 672 00:50:06,776 --> 00:50:08,548 Everybody said once you turn pro, all they're 673 00:50:08,590 --> 00:50:10,572 going to do is make you play defense. 674 00:50:10,761 --> 00:50:14,275 I can never play defense. My defense was having the puck. 675 00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:16,083 If I had the puck, you couldn't score. 676 00:50:16,125 --> 00:50:18,333 In other words, you had to find somebody that... 677 00:50:18,375 --> 00:50:20,791 Yeah, somebody found me. 678 00:50:20,833 --> 00:50:25,291 It was luck for me because Bill Walsh, he saw the potential. 679 00:50:25,333 --> 00:50:28,833 He was looking at television and he knows me running across 680 00:50:28,875 --> 00:50:32,291 the television making, as he would say, incredible catches. 681 00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:34,541 I'm going to make you feel beautiful. 682 00:50:34,583 --> 00:50:36,583 I take no obligation. 683 00:50:36,625 --> 00:50:38,333 Jerry Rice has 64 yards for touchdown 684 00:50:38,375 --> 00:50:40,331 in a second quarter. 685 00:50:40,708 --> 00:50:44,625 Rice had nine catches for 155 yards. 686 00:50:44,666 --> 00:50:47,704 He went back to San Francisco and he said, "Hey look, 687 00:50:47,729 --> 00:50:52,050 we need to take a look at this Jerry Rice guy." 688 00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:54,791 For Mississippi Valley State University, 689 00:50:54,833 --> 00:50:58,250 it's amazing what he's able to do on the football field. 690 00:50:58,291 --> 00:51:04,666 The San Francisco 49ers select 16 picking the first round. 691 00:51:04,708 --> 00:51:09,144 Wide Receiver, Jerry Rice, Mississippi Valley. 692 00:51:11,208 --> 00:51:13,708 If it wasn't Bill Walsh, there's probably 693 00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:15,916 a scenario where there's no Jerry Rice. 694 00:51:15,958 --> 00:51:17,440 Yes, that's true. 695 00:51:20,583 --> 00:51:24,916 OK, so when you got into the NFL, you had adversity. 696 00:51:24,958 --> 00:51:26,083 Yeah. 697 00:51:27,222 --> 00:51:30,378 I think, the most difficult thing about that is that I 698 00:51:30,403 --> 00:51:33,644 knew I could catch the football, but when I came in, 699 00:51:34,458 --> 00:51:41,750 I was dropping footballs and didn't have the fans to 700 00:51:41,791 --> 00:51:44,883 boo me and trying to fight through that adversity. 701 00:51:44,908 --> 00:51:47,884 I had a lot of stuff that I had to overcome, 702 00:51:47,909 --> 00:51:51,450 but I still knew that I could catch the football. 703 00:51:51,491 --> 00:51:54,111 Then to have Bill Walsh in my corner 704 00:51:54,136 --> 00:51:56,751 to still say, "Hey look, you're going to be great one day." 705 00:51:56,776 --> 00:52:00,431 That gave me a little bit extra incentive to fight. 706 00:52:02,064 --> 00:52:06,783 This guy, he was such a genius and he knew how to be your 707 00:52:06,816 --> 00:52:10,650 best friend, but then he knew how to be your worst enemy. 708 00:52:10,691 --> 00:52:16,329 He was just like my father, the way he made you feel a little bit uncomfortable. 709 00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:20,297 I put the f###### my end, Paul. 710 00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:25,816 You correct me on the field, I put the thing in upstairs. 711 00:52:25,858 --> 00:52:28,233 Now, I've been told by you what f### to do. 712 00:52:28,275 --> 00:52:29,316 Let's go. 713 00:52:30,665 --> 00:52:34,642 Who's the best coach you ever played for and why is he great? 714 00:52:52,876 --> 00:52:56,798 The Brazilians' kid playing the style of total freedom. 715 00:53:32,011 --> 00:53:33,491 Boring. 716 00:54:00,650 --> 00:54:03,816 Everybody tries to be the same kind 717 00:54:03,858 --> 00:54:06,941 of team and everybody tries to save 718 00:54:06,983 --> 00:54:08,650 their own necks and everybody tries 719 00:54:08,691 --> 00:54:13,400 to have that safe place to go to. 720 00:54:13,441 --> 00:54:17,150 I got to Edmonton and Glen Sather said, "Oh my God, no, no, no, you get the puck. 721 00:54:17,191 --> 00:54:19,163 You do whatever you want with the puck." 722 00:54:20,275 --> 00:54:24,148 Gretzky, circling, spinning, avoiding defender. 723 00:54:25,483 --> 00:54:27,483 Gretzky's shooting, goal! 724 00:54:30,542 --> 00:54:33,208 He said, "I can teach a guy how to play defense. 725 00:54:33,233 --> 00:54:36,108 I cannot teach a guy, how to score 70 goals." 726 00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:38,233 If you want to be successful at anything, you've got to 727 00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:41,275 believe in yourself, because no one else is going to do it. 728 00:54:41,331 --> 00:54:45,685 If you don't do it yourself, then you can rely on everybody else 729 00:54:45,710 --> 00:54:49,816 who's been unsuccessful, and you can sit around the bar together and cry about it. 730 00:54:49,858 --> 00:54:55,209 But if you're going to do it, you do it by yourself. It takes some guts to do that. 731 00:54:55,234 --> 00:54:59,233 Nobody took away my creativity and if anything, they all worked with it. 732 00:54:59,266 --> 00:55:02,802 A great coach often endeavors to make themselves 733 00:55:02,827 --> 00:55:04,786 less relevant and less relevant over time 734 00:55:04,811 --> 00:55:08,965 and handing over control to the athletes. 735 00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:11,667 If a coach sees themselves as just a drill sergeant 736 00:55:11,692 --> 00:55:16,192 whose job is just to make sure you hit your mark and do nothing else. 737 00:55:16,441 --> 00:55:22,034 Then it's going to stifle that whole era of collaborative innovation 738 00:55:22,059 --> 00:55:24,941 that all the great teams actually demonstrate all the time. 739 00:55:24,983 --> 00:55:31,983 Your coach through... humor, sarcasm, 740 00:55:32,025 --> 00:55:38,275 just plane force, you got to change the pace all the time 741 00:55:38,316 --> 00:55:40,315 just to get the most out of a guy. 742 00:55:40,340 --> 00:55:43,408 Some players, you never ball out 743 00:55:43,441 --> 00:55:46,566 because it's against their personality to take it. 744 00:55:46,608 --> 00:55:50,879 See, everybody is a different person. 745 00:55:51,525 --> 00:55:59,239 When you realize that fact, you become a better coach. 746 00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:07,426 A lot of athletes, when it comes to taking that 747 00:56:07,451 --> 00:56:12,207 last shot, where you win or lose, they shy away from it. 748 00:56:12,708 --> 00:56:15,714 They don't want that-- be the goat or the hero. 749 00:56:15,739 --> 00:56:20,692 They're very nervous about it. 750 00:56:21,025 --> 00:56:24,167 I like the guy who's going to say, "Give it to me. 751 00:56:24,192 --> 00:56:25,400 I'll take that shot." 752 00:56:25,441 --> 00:56:28,104 The lot of the players they don't want 753 00:56:28,144 --> 00:56:29,871 to deal with the consequences 754 00:56:29,896 --> 00:56:33,065 because if you don't make that play, now you got to 755 00:56:33,090 --> 00:56:36,512 deal with everything that comes with it. 756 00:56:37,233 --> 00:56:40,108 Here is Jordan with three seconds to go. He shoots. 757 00:56:40,556 --> 00:56:41,847 No good. 758 00:57:15,775 --> 00:57:21,785 You can be stressful, but there has to be a calmness about you, too. 759 00:57:22,191 --> 00:57:26,358 So, you got somehow to be able to balance both because-- 760 00:57:26,407 --> 00:57:27,573 You're too relaxed, you're-- 761 00:57:27,608 --> 00:57:29,233 Yes. Then, you're too relax. 762 00:57:29,275 --> 00:57:30,775 Then, you're not going out and you're not 763 00:57:30,816 --> 00:57:33,650 playing with enough intensity. 764 00:57:33,691 --> 00:57:40,840 You got to be, you know, like something in between, 765 00:57:40,977 --> 00:57:42,727 how you can balance it. 766 00:57:45,191 --> 00:57:50,158 The most difficult thing for me is, and this used to always 767 00:57:50,183 --> 00:57:52,629 bother me during the Superbowl. 768 00:57:57,608 --> 00:57:59,910 Yet for time out... 769 00:58:03,108 --> 00:58:05,775 ...they got to show commercials, they got to do all that. 770 00:58:05,816 --> 00:58:09,677 -The reason why wherever he goes, 771 00:58:09,702 --> 00:58:11,779 Spuds MacKenzie has so much fun. 772 00:58:11,804 --> 00:58:14,685 -He's always in control. -Spuds loves... 773 00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:22,408 You know the play before that time out is coming your way. Can you imagine? 774 00:58:22,433 --> 00:58:27,026 You're processing all of this in your head like, "My God, my God, 775 00:58:27,051 --> 00:58:30,784 this is a long time out." So I need a distraction. 776 00:58:30,808 --> 00:58:36,394 I would look in the stands and find someone and I would focus on that individual 777 00:58:37,933 --> 00:58:39,995 until that time out is over 778 00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:42,337 and now we can go back to playing football. 779 00:59:15,182 --> 00:59:16,974 Montana dropping back. 780 00:59:16,999 --> 00:59:19,784 He floats along throw down there to Rice. 781 00:59:20,641 --> 00:59:22,475 Touchdown! 49ers. 782 00:59:22,516 --> 00:59:24,975 I knew where my family was. I knew where my friends were. 783 00:59:25,016 --> 00:59:26,850 I knew when they went for a popcorn. 784 00:59:28,183 --> 00:59:31,391 I knew everything going on in the arena. 785 00:59:31,433 --> 00:59:33,975 Some guys can do it. Some guys have no idea. 786 00:59:34,016 --> 00:59:37,641 From my point of view, it made me comfortable. And it worked for me. 787 00:59:37,666 --> 00:59:41,583 - You weren't like trying to visualize doing this.-No, never. 788 00:59:41,641 --> 00:59:44,975 I was playing ping pong and five to seven for a seven o'clock game. 789 00:59:45,016 --> 00:59:47,600 Maybe that was my way of easing away from 790 00:59:47,641 --> 00:59:50,292 the pressure and the thoughts of going on the ice. 791 00:59:54,016 --> 01:00:00,441 There is only now. Now is all there ever was and all that there ever will be. 792 01:00:01,471 --> 01:00:05,304 You want to give those individuals 793 01:00:07,558 --> 01:00:09,016 the greatest show ever. 794 01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:16,685 The whole of the universe wants a thrill. 795 01:00:16,948 --> 01:00:20,100 That's what it's all about, otherwise it would be boring 796 01:00:20,141 --> 01:00:25,470 for that is the spirit of showmanship of the players. 797 01:00:41,683 --> 01:00:45,304 To be able to bring them to their feet like that, 798 01:00:45,329 --> 01:00:48,766 to give them something they had never seen. 799 01:00:48,808 --> 01:00:51,790 I think that's everything, that's why we play the game. 800 01:00:52,725 --> 01:00:56,058 When I see a guy do something and brings me out of my chair 801 01:00:56,116 --> 01:00:59,493 you go, "Wow!" Like Montana, 802 01:00:59,672 --> 01:01:02,573 an 80-yard drive in the last minute and a half of a game to 803 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,391 win the Superbowl, you go, "Wow, that's unreal." 804 01:01:05,433 --> 01:01:10,976 The great players have a personality that shines through in their technique 805 01:01:11,001 --> 01:01:13,308 and how they apply it in their sense of artistry. 806 01:01:13,357 --> 01:01:15,938 I think, the great players do recognize that what they're doing 807 01:01:15,963 --> 01:01:21,009 isn't just taking part in a game, it's also a performance. 808 01:01:21,072 --> 01:01:23,155 Do you consider yourself an artist? 809 01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:28,827 Oh, yes, 100% and that's not trying to be egotistical, 810 01:01:28,860 --> 01:01:31,337 that's just a fact. I entertain people. 811 01:01:31,523 --> 01:01:34,857 I entertained and I was an artist and I was paid to win. 812 01:01:50,163 --> 01:01:52,883 I would watch Barry Sanders run. 813 01:01:53,085 --> 01:01:56,606 There was something qualitatively different 814 01:01:56,674 --> 01:02:00,174 about what he was doing when he was putting one foot in front of the other. 815 01:02:00,576 --> 01:02:02,483 You could watch the five-yard loss and say, 816 01:02:02,525 --> 01:02:04,275 "That is something I've never seen before." 817 01:02:04,316 --> 01:02:08,410 It's like Picasso just doing something different with the brush 818 01:02:08,442 --> 01:02:10,552 and I think there is that aspect to sport. 819 01:02:10,593 --> 01:02:13,012 Because otherwise, you're just watching four quarters again, 820 01:02:13,037 --> 01:02:15,775 and guys putting the same ball in the same hoop. 821 01:02:15,816 --> 01:02:19,358 I've wrestled with alligators, I've tussled with a whale, 822 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,413 I done handcuff lightning and put thunder in jail. 823 01:02:22,438 --> 01:02:25,824 You know I'm bad, I have murdered a rock. 824 01:02:25,858 --> 01:02:29,608 I injured a stone and I hospitalized a brick. 825 01:02:29,650 --> 01:02:32,066 I'm so bad I made medicine sick. 826 01:02:32,108 --> 01:02:34,316 I'm so fast, man, I can run through 827 01:02:34,358 --> 01:02:36,066 a hurricane and don't get wet. 828 01:02:36,108 --> 01:02:39,025 When George Foreman meets me, he'll pay his debt. 829 01:02:39,066 --> 01:02:42,241 I can drown a drink of water and kill a dead tree, 830 01:02:42,266 --> 01:02:44,736 wait until you see Muhammad Ali. 831 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,483 I think I was obsessed with the way I looked. 832 01:02:53,017 --> 01:02:55,337 Meticulous. 833 01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:13,565 I don't like just old beat up shoes. 834 01:03:13,626 --> 01:03:17,358 I had a pair of new shoes every football game. 835 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,900 Didn't you get blisters though, 'cause new shoes... 836 01:03:18,941 --> 01:03:21,983 No at all. It didn't bother me at all. 837 01:03:22,025 --> 01:03:28,441 It just, you know, one of those ritual things that I felt that was very important to my game. 838 01:03:28,483 --> 01:03:30,523 You have to look a certain way 839 01:03:30,548 --> 01:03:32,483 to play well on a football field. 840 01:03:32,525 --> 01:03:35,234 The right pants, the right socks, 841 01:03:35,259 --> 01:03:39,108 style was very important, very important to me. 842 01:03:39,150 --> 01:03:41,381 You need to help me with the jam. 843 01:03:41,406 --> 01:03:43,823 -You need to help me with the jam. -Give it to me. 844 01:03:45,076 --> 01:03:47,168 -You need tohelp me with the jam. -Ho. 845 01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:49,426 -You need to help me with the jam. -Ho. 846 01:03:49,775 --> 01:03:51,650 -You've got it. -Yes, I've been good. 847 01:03:51,691 --> 01:03:53,733 You need to help me with the jam. 848 01:03:53,775 --> 01:03:57,108 -You need to help me with the jam. -Ho. 849 01:03:57,423 --> 01:04:01,173 It was just like doing a dance, it had to be a certain way. 850 01:04:09,358 --> 01:04:15,527 The way I positioned my hands, the way I utilized my feet. 851 01:04:20,608 --> 01:04:23,233 You have to have a creative mind. 852 01:04:23,275 --> 01:04:28,440 And you have to be one of those individuals that's willing 853 01:04:28,465 --> 01:04:32,108 to step out of your boundary just a little bit. 854 01:04:39,191 --> 01:04:41,747 The Ali shuffles brought the crowd laughing. 855 01:04:41,772 --> 01:04:45,949 I am the master of illusion. Learn my hand. 856 01:04:53,941 --> 01:04:57,900 Right before your eye is a miracle, a miracle. 857 01:04:57,980 --> 01:04:59,147 It was art. 858 01:05:00,545 --> 01:05:04,551 Art, but still staying in a team concept. 859 01:05:12,941 --> 01:05:15,275 The coaches can only do so much. 860 01:05:15,316 --> 01:05:16,983 Now it's up to the players 861 01:05:17,025 --> 01:05:19,580 and the players, they have to take over the team. 862 01:05:19,605 --> 01:05:21,150 Black 59 Razor. 863 01:05:21,191 --> 01:05:23,121 Black 59 Razor. 864 01:05:25,608 --> 01:05:28,566 Black 59 Razor. 865 01:05:28,608 --> 01:05:30,358 Black 59 Razor. 866 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,650 Whenever he said that, I knew there was no safety. 867 01:05:34,691 --> 01:05:38,108 I just had this guy right in front of me to beat. 868 01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:41,963 Just look down the line, look at him, we smile at each other 869 01:05:41,988 --> 01:05:46,608 and we know that, "Okay, t's time to go to work here." 870 01:05:46,650 --> 01:05:49,727 All I have to do is just run my best route, 871 01:05:49,752 --> 01:05:53,483 get open and I knew that he was going to deliver the football. 872 01:05:53,525 --> 01:05:55,797 Black 59 Razor. 873 01:06:07,066 --> 01:06:10,858 He knew he could trust me and I knew I could trust him 874 01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:13,819 because we had done it over and over again. 875 01:06:13,844 --> 01:06:16,066 Mario and I did our talking on the ice. 876 01:06:16,108 --> 01:06:19,316 You know, we kind of knew where each other was. 877 01:06:19,389 --> 01:06:23,032 We played the game in our mind the same way. 878 01:06:31,691 --> 01:06:34,327 When I got the puck, I knew where he was going to be 879 01:06:34,352 --> 01:06:37,172 because that's where I'd be, vice versa. 880 01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:40,719 We played against the Czechs in the Round-Robin. 881 01:06:40,744 --> 01:06:42,901 We had a two on one against Hasek, 882 01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:45,000 and I passed him the puck 883 01:06:45,056 --> 01:06:47,874 and he passed it back to me and I didn't score. 884 01:06:47,906 --> 01:06:49,865 When we got back to the bench, I said "Mario, 885 01:06:49,917 --> 01:06:53,624 if we ever get a two on one again, I'm setting it up, 886 01:06:53,649 --> 01:06:55,171 you're the shooter, you don't miss." 887 01:06:55,219 --> 01:06:59,139 He never misses and sure enough final game, final shift, 888 01:06:59,164 --> 01:07:03,483 we had two one and I knew when I passed it to him, he wasn't going to do anything but shoot it. 889 01:07:19,358 --> 01:07:23,733 It's about a ritual thinking so it's about coming with something fresh and new. 890 01:07:23,775 --> 01:07:25,650 I remember talking to Paul McCartney about it and he said 891 01:07:25,691 --> 01:07:28,108 he and John used to sit down at the height 892 01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:29,733 of their work in The Beatles. 893 01:07:29,775 --> 01:07:31,834 One of them would always have an idea for a song. 894 01:07:31,866 --> 01:07:33,115 That was the rule. 895 01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:35,233 He said, "The other rules, we never 896 01:07:35,275 --> 01:07:37,062 stood up until we got the song." 897 01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:53,816 -How are we doing, Hal? -Sometimes it took ten minutes 898 01:07:53,873 --> 01:07:55,648 and sometimes it might take 40, he said "I don't think it ever 899 01:07:55,673 --> 01:07:59,250 took more than an hour when we stood up and we had a song." 900 01:07:59,275 --> 01:08:01,900 The second one out of every three is the one. 901 01:08:01,941 --> 01:08:03,975 Every Beatles song is different 902 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,816 from the other Beatles songs and why? 903 01:08:05,858 --> 01:08:07,976 Because they decided they had to be. 904 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,398 If it's a team activity, whether it's an orchestra... 905 01:08:17,316 --> 01:08:19,513 Or a football team... 906 01:08:29,432 --> 01:08:31,138 Or a hockey team 907 01:08:33,193 --> 01:08:35,665 or a group of acrobats, 908 01:08:37,816 --> 01:08:40,983 they have to have that sense of comfort. It's not just you out there. 909 01:08:41,462 --> 01:08:44,253 The people are going to do what they are supposed to do. 910 01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:50,459 It's always a balance between discipline and spontaneity. 911 01:09:04,066 --> 01:09:06,608 One part of the impulse in any sport 912 01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:10,317 is to explore the range of your own limits. 913 01:09:10,342 --> 01:09:14,395 To be the best you can be, so you have to wonder 914 01:09:14,420 --> 01:09:15,941 whether we're reaching the limits of that. 915 01:09:15,983 --> 01:09:19,108 I mean, there is, after all, only so high people will be able to jump. 916 01:09:19,150 --> 01:09:20,733 It's not gonna carry on getting higher, 917 01:09:20,775 --> 01:09:22,983 we're now dealing with fractions of fractions. 918 01:09:23,025 --> 01:09:24,650 The athletes are better today. 919 01:09:24,691 --> 01:09:26,858 They're just bigger and stronger and better. 920 01:09:28,083 --> 01:09:30,527 Doesn't make them smarter. 921 01:09:30,552 --> 01:09:32,317 What do we want to get out of sports? 922 01:09:32,342 --> 01:09:35,275 Do we want to see someone dunking on 923 01:09:35,316 --> 01:09:38,191 a 20-foot rim or do we want to see, 924 01:09:38,233 --> 01:09:40,066 under some set of normal circumstances, 925 01:09:40,108 --> 01:09:41,983 the best that people can do? 926 01:09:43,233 --> 01:09:49,371 If the ultimate outcome of professional sports is always just 927 01:09:49,396 --> 01:09:53,115 to become number one of whatever price you pay to get there. 928 01:09:53,407 --> 01:09:55,615 Then you begin to wonder whether the whole 929 01:09:55,779 --> 01:09:57,316 spiritual basis of these guys are being 930 01:09:57,358 --> 01:09:59,608 hollowed out in the process of winning 931 01:09:59,650 --> 01:10:01,842 a game the people are losing interest in. 932 01:10:02,662 --> 01:10:05,525 Where do we draw the-- I think, it's going to be an emotional line that you draw. 933 01:10:05,573 --> 01:10:09,414 What do we have? We might try to logic it out, but I think, it's going to be 934 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,232 when do we have the emotional recoil to where we are now? 935 01:10:21,289 --> 01:10:24,622 We are not robots. 936 01:10:24,648 --> 01:10:30,013 We're people who are driven by feelings 937 01:10:30,038 --> 01:10:35,944 and inspiration and a sense of possibility. 938 01:10:37,225 --> 01:10:40,600 Creativity is the essence of humanity. 939 01:10:40,641 --> 01:10:45,183 That it's not an incidental part of being human, but it's distinctively human. 940 01:10:47,557 --> 01:10:50,774 What we do is we put the child into the corridor 941 01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:55,116 of this grade system and they go to kindergarten, you know. 942 01:10:55,156 --> 01:10:57,092 That's a great thing because when you 943 01:10:57,117 --> 01:10:59,139 finish that, you get into first grade 944 01:10:59,866 --> 01:11:02,850 and then come on, first grade leads to the second grade and so on. 945 01:11:02,891 --> 01:11:05,141 Then you get out of grade school, you go to high school, 946 01:11:05,183 --> 01:11:06,683 then you're going to go to college 947 01:11:06,725 --> 01:11:09,016 and then you get into graduate school. 948 01:11:09,058 --> 01:11:10,516 And when you're through with graduate school, 949 01:11:10,558 --> 01:11:12,741 you go out to join the world. 950 01:11:13,308 --> 01:11:16,683 Then, you get into some racket where you're selling insurance. 951 01:11:16,732 --> 01:11:19,898 All the time, the thing is coming. It's coming, it's coming, 952 01:11:19,933 --> 01:11:22,389 that great thing, the success you're working for. 953 01:11:22,498 --> 01:11:25,145 Then when you wake up one day about 40 years old, 954 01:11:25,170 --> 01:11:30,808 you say, "My God, I've arrived. I'm there." You don't feel very 955 01:11:30,850 --> 01:11:32,850 different from what you always felt. 956 01:11:32,891 --> 01:11:35,975 There's a slight letdown because you feel there's a hoax. 957 01:11:36,016 --> 01:11:38,683 And there was a hoax, a dreadful hoax. 958 01:11:38,725 --> 01:11:40,506 They made you miss everything. 959 01:11:41,016 --> 01:11:44,225 We thought of life by analogy with a journey, 960 01:11:44,266 --> 01:11:49,350 with a pilgrimage, which had a serious purpose at the end. The thing was get to that end. 961 01:11:49,391 --> 01:11:52,891 Success or whatever it is or maybe heaven after you'redead, 962 01:11:52,933 --> 01:11:55,641 but we missed the point, the whole way along. 963 01:11:55,683 --> 01:11:58,016 It was a musical thing and you were supposed to 964 01:11:58,073 --> 01:12:01,248 sing or to dance while the music was being played. 965 01:12:02,141 --> 01:12:05,764 People have immense deep talents that are often overlooked by 966 01:12:05,789 --> 01:12:08,955 the systems that are designed to 967 01:12:09,308 --> 01:12:10,933 educate them or take care of them. 968 01:12:10,975 --> 01:12:13,183 It's like there are natural resources 969 01:12:13,225 --> 01:12:15,308 that are much deeper than we realize. 970 01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:18,600 There are multifarious factors on whether or not people 971 01:12:18,641 --> 01:12:21,100 achieve what they achieve when they achieve them. 972 01:12:21,141 --> 01:12:25,225 And the ones we know about are the ones whose talents came to 973 01:12:25,266 --> 01:12:29,058 fruition because the conditions prove to be favorable for them. 974 01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:31,308 But how many other people could achieve 975 01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:33,891 similar things if the condition is right? 976 01:12:33,933 --> 01:12:37,891 How many Mozarts and Gretzkys are there? You just don't know. 977 01:12:37,933 --> 01:12:40,433 I got lucky the era played in. 978 01:12:40,475 --> 01:12:42,725 I got lucky the style that I was 979 01:12:42,766 --> 01:12:45,747 playing in and I got really lucky with the coaching that I had 980 01:12:45,772 --> 01:12:48,648 and more importantly, the players I played with. 981 01:12:48,683 --> 01:12:53,391 All that combined to be a perfect storm, as simple as that. 982 01:12:53,433 --> 01:12:55,350 Do you think that if you're destined 983 01:12:55,391 --> 01:12:56,850 to be great, you're going to be great? 984 01:12:56,891 --> 01:12:58,951 You're going to find a way to make it happen. 985 01:12:58,976 --> 01:13:01,308 - You think it's your will? -A combination of luck 986 01:13:01,365 --> 01:13:03,781 and your will. You got to be a little lucky. 987 01:13:51,386 --> 01:13:52,886 It's great. 88089

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