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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,640 Diana, Princess of Wales has died. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,840 This is according to British sources. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,680 The most photographed woman in the world has died 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,760 trying not to have her photo taken. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,640 That doesn't make sense. 6 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,240 Around half the population is now surfing cyberspace. 7 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,920 So, just what is everyone doing online? 8 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,640 It's very difficult to defeat a conspiracy theory. 9 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,880 Rubbish, cover up, definitely a cover-up. 10 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,560 I think it's a little bit suspicious for an accident. 11 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,640 In a fine example of British legal understatement, 12 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,800 the coroner said he was mindful that there was some speculation in 13 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,080 some quarters that this might not have been a simple car accident. 14 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,800 There's so many coincidences, 15 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,360 so many odd things that just don't add up. 16 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,240 Why would someone want to kill the Princess of Wales? 17 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,640 85% of the ordinary people of this country 18 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,760 believe Diana was murdered with my son. 19 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,800 PHONE RINGS 20 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,360 I remember vividly that we were having a seminar 21 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,000 and I got a text from my office at Scotland Yard which said that, 22 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,280 "You've been asked to do the inquiry... 23 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,360 "..into the death of Princess Diana," 24 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,360 and I thought, surely that means the Metropolitan Police are doing it. 25 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:39,520 I rang up and they said, 26 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,800 "No, you've been asked to do, by the Royal Coroner, 27 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,000 "to do this personally", 28 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,960 which was unprecedented for the Commission 29 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,440 to an inquiry of that nature. 30 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,920 I knew from the very beginning of this enquiry 31 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,400 it was going to be exceptionally difficult. 32 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,040 The allegation is that the most popular woman 33 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,000 in the world has been murdered by the Queen's husband 34 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,440 together with MI6. 35 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,600 That's very serious stuff. 36 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,280 I remember the newspaper headlines, 37 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,600 I also remember what was coming over the television and the radio 38 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:17,400 and it was obvious that 85% of the population believed that 39 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:18,640 there was a conspiracy. 40 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,440 Even relatives of mine said there's something behind this 41 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,280 and someone's murdered her. 42 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,360 That was part of the decision for me to do it, actually, 43 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,200 because, at the end of the day, 44 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,520 we had to get to the bottom of what went on here. 45 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,600 What we're investigating was a conspiracy to murder. 46 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,880 It's not gonna be a quick and easy inquiry. 47 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,440 You know, people immediately said 48 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Lord Stevens is part of the establishment, 49 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,640 he's gonna find that there's nothing in there. 50 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,000 But in actual fact, there were some things 51 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,040 in the conspiracy allegations that needed to be sorted out. 52 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,920 Well, we got together, and we decided that we were going 53 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,600 to look at every single allegation that had been made. 54 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,520 Every single one - it was 104 allegations. 55 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,880 I can probably best liken it, when I first looked at it, 56 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,600 to like...as a mountain in front of you, 57 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,400 it was just a mountain and I remember the whiteboard 58 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,240 at Scotland Yard where we tried to break down the allegations 59 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:39,000 into areas or themes. 60 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,720 "Royal Family," 61 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,360 "engagement," 62 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:43,680 "pregnancy," 63 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,160 you know, "MI6," 64 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,440 "blood," "a collision"... 65 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,160 Each of those was allocated to one of the team. 66 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,680 That's the only way we could do it, cos if you left one allegation out, 67 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,320 the whole house would come tumbling down. 68 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,920 One allegation would affect our credibility, 69 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,160 if it wasn't proved one way or the other. 70 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,240 Lord Stevens had told us right at the beginning... 71 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:13,680 "Go where the evidence takes you." 72 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,880 "Step-by-step, eventually, 73 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,840 "you'll get to the top of the mountain." 74 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,000 I've been screaming for the last five years that what happened 75 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:35,600 to Dodi and Diana is absolute 100% murder by these dark forces 76 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,440 which...the intelligence services. 77 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,000 At the beginning of Paget, it could have looked like quite 78 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,520 a lot of lazy people sitting around an office watching TV 79 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,520 because the team were looking at everything we could find. 80 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,040 There was... HE CHUCKLES 81 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,600 ..an awful lot of that material out there. 82 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,360 You believe there was a conspiracy...to kill Dodi? 83 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,400 Definitely, they been murdered. 84 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Dodi and Diana been murdered, definitely. 85 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:01,440 Go and find the evidence, 86 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,360 if there's evidence of a conspiracy, go and follow it. 87 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,480 Who would want them dead? 88 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,440 70, 80, 90% of the population 89 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,280 thought there was something in it, 90 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,560 partly because they were hearing the media's view of it 91 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,320 and I'm not here to comment on the media one way or another, 92 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,400 but they were hearing the media's view. 93 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,400 Should I sit in any particular way? 94 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,800 Stomach in, tits out? Sit how you're comfortable. All right. 95 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,280 Well, it was so much fun while Diana was alive, she kept us all in, 96 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,880 you know, fancy cars and nice clothes. 97 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,560 We could get away with anything, we could hack anybody's phone, 98 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,800 you know, break into their house and nick pictures, 99 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:44,320 whatever we wanted - 100 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,080 and then Diana died, and as the fun stopped, 101 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,040 and circulation... "doof", fell off a cliff as well. 102 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:53,720 Diana sold so many papers, 103 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,840 we kind of wanted to keep her going... 104 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,840 ..keep her alive in a way. 105 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,200 The Mirror chose today to publish the full text of 106 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,360 a letter Diana gave Paul Burrell. 107 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,000 In his book, the name of the man she suspected of conspiring to kill her 108 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,480 was blacked out - 109 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,080 today, it was revealed she'd written, "my husband". 110 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,400 Mr Burrell is there anything you'd like to say? Anything at all? 111 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,080 Paul Burrell's aware this will go down in history. 112 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,880 It's the...very precise nature of what she says. 113 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,280 A "accident" in my car. 114 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,720 What that headline is saying, and that note, 115 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,560 is that Princess of Wales, in 1995, feared there might be 116 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,320 a plan to get rid of her in an accident. 117 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,360 You can't dismiss that 118 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,000 because two years later, she died in a car accident. 119 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,680 What it meant for the Metropolitan Police was that 120 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,320 here was a piece of evidence, 121 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,520 there's actually a letter in existence. 122 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,240 At that time, there was a lot in the media about, you know, 123 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,280 there's three in the marriage and, 124 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,160 this thought that Camilla was usurping 125 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,520 the Princess of Wales. 126 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,960 We wanted to know exactly what was behind that note. 127 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,120 How did Mr Burrell come by it? 128 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,200 Whether you like Mr Burrell or not is immaterial. 129 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,240 He was at the centre of her life. 130 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,040 All I can tell you is behind closed doors... 131 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,640 ..I was looking after my friend. 132 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,640 She was called Diana. 133 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,520 I understood her fight and her struggles, 134 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,280 and I knew where all the enemies were. 135 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,160 And they were all coming for us at the same time, 136 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,280 whether it's the Queen's household or... 137 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:41,320 ..Prince Philip's household or 138 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,440 the Prince of Wales' household, they were all... 139 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,680 ..against us. 140 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,200 And what I wanted to do with the book was to 141 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,800 defend the Princess' memory. 142 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,440 Crumbs! 143 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,400 It's a difficult one for me cos I know why he published it, 144 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,520 and I know what he got for publishing it. 145 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:07,560 But I can't tell you how I know. 146 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,560 It's a substantial... Substantial amount of money. 147 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,840 The police wanted to see the note, 148 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,560 which is a private note, 149 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,520 but I thought it was of national importance 150 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:23,280 and they should see it, to know how vulnerable she was, 151 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,680 how frightened she was and how marginalised she was. 152 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,160 "I am sitting here at my desk today in October, 153 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,680 "longing for someone to hug me and encourage me to keep strong." 154 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,800 The Princess wrote all her letters at her writing desk - 155 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,400 a kneehole desk, I can see it now... 156 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,600 ..with her letter rack in front, 157 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,560 the alabaster statue of Christ 158 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,520 with rosary beads around it, 159 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:56,160 pictures of the boys... 160 00:09:57,560 --> 00:10:00,680 "This particular phase in my life is the most..." 161 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,280 underlined, "..dangerous." 162 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,840 She always wrote with blue black ink, 163 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,600 cream stationery with a red edge 164 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,240 and a "D" and coronet... 165 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,800 ..central at the top. 166 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,680 "My husband is planning...an accident...in my car. 167 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,600 "Brake failure and serious head injury 168 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,560 "in order to make the path clear for him to marry Tiggy. 169 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,920 "Camilla is nothing but a decoy." 170 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,400 Which... This did surprise me. 171 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,040 Tiggy was Tiggy Legge-Bourke who was the nanny for the two Princes. 172 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,400 That's what Diana believed at the time - 173 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,560 she'd been told by somebody that Tiggy Legge-Bourke 174 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,880 was having an affair with the Prince of Wales. 175 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,240 Hi, thank you... Sorry! 176 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,560 That year, at Christmas, at the lunch party, 177 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,240 the princess approached her and said to her, 178 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,960 "I'm so sorry, Tiggy, to hear about your loss of the baby." 179 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:12,120 Someone had told the Princess that 180 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,920 Tiggy Legge-Bourke had had an abortion. 181 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,160 Who was feeding the princess lies? 182 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,280 "My husband's planning to get rid of me". 183 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,800 That's what Diana wrote. 184 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,200 So, clearly, in her mind, at the end of October 1995, 185 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,120 for whatever reason, 186 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,520 this is what she wrote down as her thoughts. 187 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,040 We knew, at some point, we were gonna have to deal with this. 188 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,520 We were gonna have to go and see the Prince of Wales. 189 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,360 The allegation had to be investigated, 190 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,400 whether it's the future King of England, Prince Charles, 191 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,280 or anyone else, you have to go there. 192 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,320 No-one is above the law. 193 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,240 He couldn't possibly be responsible for the murder of his former wife. 194 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,280 That would be the end of the monarchy. 195 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,520 The thing for me that was really worrying was the fact that 196 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:32,000 this incident had happened years before, 197 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,000 it happened in a foreign jurisdiction. 198 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,520 We had to get our hands on the evidence, 199 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,840 we had to speak to witnesses over there. 200 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,880 It was gonna be very, very, very complex. 201 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,640 That was a very, very important day, for me, personally, 202 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:32,720 to see the actual scene, to get a feel for it all. 203 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,200 Unless you do that, you know, you're not doing your job properly. 204 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:50,840 But I just have a simple job to do with my officers. 205 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,640 We will do that job, and I think that my record speaks for itself. 206 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:57,520 We will get to the bottom of this one way or the other. 207 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,800 The collision investigation, 208 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,560 you look at the scene, everything that happened there, 209 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:06,880 all the technical stuff, 210 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,360 was vital to understand while we went forward cos that's fact, 211 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,960 we, you know... Let's look at the tyre marks, 212 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,440 let's look at the debris, let's look at the distances. 213 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,280 So, I wanted the best collision investigator we could find. 214 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,560 Well, I think my first trip to Paris was with... 215 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,200 ..Sir John Stevens. 216 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,760 A traffic PC doesn't usually get to speak to people like that. 217 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,720 It was just really quite surreal. 218 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,400 And it carried on being surreal in that way 219 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,120 all the way through to the end. 220 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,840 You cannot really look at a crash scene afterwards 221 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:04,000 and get the same sense of feeling as you do when you're standing there, 222 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,200 and it's all laid out in front of you. 223 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,320 I drove the route quite a few times. 224 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,360 The biggest thing that struck me is that there was a very...distinct 225 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,120 and quite sharp transition from being almost level road 226 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,440 down into the underpass and the slope into it was quite steep. 227 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,680 This was a challenging bit of road, 228 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,920 especially if you were driving at some speed. 229 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,640 We needed to identify what had been done by the French, 230 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,000 if what had been done could have been done better. 231 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,480 The photographs were unhelpful. 232 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,920 As you can see in these, 233 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,000 all the police vehicles are parked 234 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,280 on the right-hand side of the road, 235 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,000 more or less at the start of the debris. 236 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,840 And I think it was established, subsequently, 237 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,240 that not all the debris was collected. 238 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,240 Cos where the debris was, it gives us an idea as 239 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,320 to where the point of impact between the two vehicles occurred. 240 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,120 We looked at the new techniques that were available, 241 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,880 such as the laser scanning and computer modelling and animation, 242 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,080 to help us understand the movement of the vehicle 243 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,000 as it entered the underpass and leading up to the crash. 244 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,360 There were a number of allegations concerning the car itself 245 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,840 which hadn't necessarily been fully addressed 246 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,800 by the French investigation and so it was important, 247 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,600 very important, for us to get our hands on the car - 248 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,400 otherwise, the overall collision investigation report 249 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,600 would've been incomplete which couldn't be allowed to happen. 250 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,120 Who would want them dead? 251 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,880 And why would anyone wanna kill Dodi and Diana? 252 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,920 Because they still don't accept that Dodi, 253 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,800 my son, an Egyptian or Muslim, 254 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,600 can be the stepfather of the future King. 255 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,800 My main area was to speak to the friends and acquaintances 256 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,640 of Diana, Princess of Wales 257 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,560 to find out whether she was pregnant, 258 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,520 ..whether she was getting engaged... 259 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,280 ..whether she had any security concerns. 260 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,240 For the most part of it, I was the only female detective, yeah. 261 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,120 It was such a high-profile case 262 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,520 that there was that added weight that nothing 263 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,520 in this investigation could get leaked to anyone. 264 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,680 There was massive pressure on from the press 265 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,760 to actually talk about what we were doing. 266 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,880 Looking for a scoop, looking for who we were seeing, 267 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,240 what our conclusions were. 268 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:40,160 If something had come out which was confidential, 269 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,080 I think, you know, our credibility with the French would have gone, 270 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,920 our credibility with the Royal Family... 271 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,840 ..and with Mohamed would have gone. 272 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,800 You also believe, Mohamed, strongly, 273 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,800 that Diana was pregnant at the time that she died, don't you? 274 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,600 This was 100%. 275 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,040 How can you be sure of that? Because she told me herself 276 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,040 and Dodi told me, I know this personally. 277 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:09,440 We had really no evidence to support what he was alleging, 278 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,000 but he claimed that this was a picture of her pregnant. 279 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,040 So, we had to see whether there was any truth in that. 280 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,000 It was about motive because it could have been, 281 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,760 as was being suggested by Mr Al-Fayed, 282 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,000 that the Royal Family didn't necessarily want 283 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,160 a Muslim baby within their family. 284 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,320 It was a simple question - when was the photograph taken? 285 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:34,680 Because it's all on the timeline then. 286 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:39,360 Mohamed Al-Fayed's villa where the princess and her sons 287 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,000 are holiday guests - 288 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,240 time to enjoy the Riviera sun. 289 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:50,800 I recall trawling through thousands of photographs 290 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,920 to find that photograph. 291 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,840 This photograph was taken on the 14th of July, 292 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,000 and The Express itself says this was published on the 15th, 293 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,600 the photograph was taken the day before, the 14th. 294 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,160 Dodi didn't arrive in Saint Tropez 295 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,240 at the family villa until the 14th of July, late. 296 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,080 So, this photograph, 297 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:14,480 clearly taken during the daytime, 298 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,520 was taken even before that relationship started. 299 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,160 If this had been on the 14th of August, 300 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,240 and you said, "Well, she'd been with Dodi for a month now" then fine, 301 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,080 but I'm no gynaecologist, but I know that before you've met someone, 302 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,960 you can't be showing signs of pregnancy. 303 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,120 There were no secrets with Mr Al-Fayed, 304 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,200 there was absolutely no point in trying 305 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,040 to keep anything away from him. 306 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,680 It was my job to tell him what we were doing and take him through 307 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,120 what progress we were making and where the evidence was taking us. 308 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,040 We used to come in on the side entrance there. 309 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,400 We were met by his bodyguards and his security detail. 310 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,880 We had a control room which was based, really, 311 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,280 on a police control room, so it was quite a sophisticated business. 312 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,520 And Mr Al-Fayed would just walk into the room, 313 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,960 reinforce his view that his son was murdered 314 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,640 and so was the Princess of Wales. 315 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,200 Lord Stevens listened. 316 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,880 I think what Lord Stevens did, was I think he dialled down 317 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,520 his own personality, his own character when he went in 318 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,840 and realised this is not a contest about who is most important. 319 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,160 He was a character. 320 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,120 On one occasion, he gave me a Viagra. 321 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,520 He said, "This will help your love life." 322 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,600 I didn't need any help with my sex life, as it happened. 323 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,920 And then, about three or four weeks... 324 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,360 Four weeks later, he gave me a bull's testicles. 325 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,400 Here... You know, it was quite a strange thing to do really. 326 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,840 Inside the Ritz, Diana and Dodi had dinner in the Imperial Suite. 327 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,440 And then they called me and say, "What's happening?" 328 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,720 And then, "We're having dinner, and after that, going to the apartment. 329 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,040 "And, we'll be coming back on Sunday", and on Monday, 330 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,120 they will declare their engagement. 331 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,040 Did Dodi tell you that? Did Diana tell you that? 332 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,520 Dodi told me that, and Diana told me that, 333 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,320 on Saturday evening at ten o'clock. 334 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,360 The only evidence, and I'll call it that, 335 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,120 was Mohamed Al-Fayed saying that he had a conversation 336 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,640 with Diana in which she said she was engaged to Dodi Al Fayed, 337 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,160 and she was pregnant. 338 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,320 How can we prove that? How do we check that that's actually correct? 339 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:14,480 If we go to Saturday 30th of August, 340 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,480 when Dodi and the Princess were in Paris... 341 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,440 ..Dodi Al Fayed purchased a ring from Repossi's shop 342 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,640 in Place Vendome next to the Ritz Hotel. 343 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,360 A "tell me yes" ring, "dis-moi oui". 344 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,680 We do know that that ring was found later, 345 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,880 in a case in Dodi's apartment in Rue Arsene Houssaye. 346 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,560 The key issue for us, looking at that, 347 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,520 was, "What did the Princess of Wales know about that ring?" 348 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,040 Had she seen it? Had she known the significance of it? 349 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,400 And was there any evidence of talk of an engagement? 350 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,600 Alberto Repossi said that when Dodi and Diana were in Monte Carlo, 351 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:28,400 that they had seen a ring at the Repossi jeweller's there. 352 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,840 They were definitely going to buy that ring, 353 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:46,080 and so, Mr Repossi was saying that it was the wrong size. 354 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,960 And so, it went off to, I believe, an Italian factory 355 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,920 to get sized during the summer, they had to open up the factory 356 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,920 because normally things shut down for the month of August. 357 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,160 I would never say a witness is lying 358 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,880 just because the facts don't all match up. 359 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,240 What I'm saying is that what Mr Repossi said in his statements to us 360 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,800 didn't line up with the facts as we knew them. 361 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,640 He said that the ring had gone off to Turin for resizing 362 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,680 with his brother, that didn't happen, just didn't happen. 363 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,640 And Mr Repossi said, "Yes, I will go back now, 364 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,520 "and I'll find all the documentation that showed what happened 365 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,640 to this "Tell Me Yes" ring and didn't produce a single thing. 366 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,360 No evidence, nothing at all. 367 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,880 Sometimes you have to look at why are they saying it? 368 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,760 What is the driving force for them saying this? 369 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,160 People say things sometimes 370 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,840 because they think it's the right thing to say, 371 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,640 people say things because actually somebody else 372 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,280 would like me to say that. 373 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,200 That is beautiful. 374 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,000 This is the ring, picked up in Paris the afternoon they died. 375 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,240 For Mohamed, $700,000 worth of proof positive 376 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,800 that his son and Princess Diana were serious about marriage. 377 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,160 Scotland Yard. 378 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,440 They asked me a lot of questions. 379 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,560 I never heard of the ring until that night. 380 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,920 They came into the apartment to have a little hors d'oeuvres 381 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,440 because they were going into the Ritz for dinner. 382 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,920 Dodi Fayed came to my quarters, 383 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,760 he said, "Rene, have champagne on ice ready 384 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,720 "because when we come back around midnight, 385 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,160 "I'm going to propose to the princess", 386 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,320 and he reached into his pocket, 387 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,360 he took the box and he showed me. 388 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,600 He felt...comfortable... 389 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,480 ..to propose to her. 390 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,640 And... 391 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,320 ..I think she would have said yes. 392 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,800 In 2004, I took a phone call from someone at Scotland Yard. 393 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,240 He said, "Well, we know that you spoke to the Princess 394 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,840 "in the hours before her death, 395 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,320 "we want to talk to you about that conversation." 396 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,040 I felt an obligation to help. 397 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,920 She and I were friends. 398 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,680 She'd called me from Paris, 399 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,280 we'd had a conversation, she was coming home, 400 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,400 and she was looking forward to coming home, 401 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,560 she was desperately missing William and Harry. 402 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,960 The police wanted to know if the Princess had said to me 403 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320 whether she had become engaged, 404 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,160 and I said, "Absolutely not." 405 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,240 She had said, as she pretty much said to all the friends, 406 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,080 and she always had a particular way of saying this, I mean, 407 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,440 "I need a new... Another marriage like... 408 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:24,960 "Like a rash on my face." 409 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080 I wrote the last story, whilst she was still alive, 410 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,480 at the News of the World. 411 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,400 So, I get sent down 412 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,440 to try and buy up some of the crew on the boat, 413 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,560 so I've got a bag with 10,000 quid in it, 414 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,120 and we actually get the first mate 415 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,240 and so he was quite a good coup you know, 416 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,440 cos he watched them, he spoke to them, 417 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,200 so it's like, "Great! Well, you know... 418 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,120 "So, how did they rock the love boat? 419 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,800 "Did they make love so passionately? Did it move in the water?" 420 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,120 So that's the kind of line I'm going for. 421 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,040 "Did they run across the State Room with no clothes on? 422 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,840 "Did they go skinny dipping at 3am?" All that stuff. 423 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,800 And he said, "No nothing happened at all." 424 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,040 He called her "ma'am," they sat at other ends of the table, 425 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,720 she had her bedroom, when the kids were there, 426 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,520 not even a peck on the cheek, then when the kids left... 427 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,520 ..it was the same, but I wasn't allowed to print that 428 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,400 cos that wasn't what anyone wanted to read back in the day. 429 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,920 There was an expression in newspapers about making it work, 430 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,640 "Yeah, just make it work". 431 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,200 It's almost like, "Make it happen," it's not, "Make it up," 432 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,160 it's not quite the same as, "Make it up." 433 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,480 But, "Here's a story, let's just make it work, 434 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,960 "make it sound believable, make it sound possible." 435 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,920 My belief is that the Princess of Wales never saw that ring. 436 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,080 I think that Dodi Al Fayed was going to present that ring 437 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,440 later that night. 438 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,520 Dodi didn't get the chance to ask the Princess of Wales 439 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,560 to get engaged. 440 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,320 Within the last hour, it's been announced that Prince Charles 441 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,640 is to marry his long-term partner, 442 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,960 Camilla Parker-Bowles. 443 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,680 How you feeling, ma'am? 444 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,800 Did he get down on one knee to propose? 445 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,680 THEY LAUGH 446 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,440 Charles and Camilla have lived more-or-less as man and wife 447 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,000 for the past three or four years, and this was an inevitable step. 448 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,040 They'll hope things will be clearer now, 449 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,680 even if they do not underestimate 450 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,400 the challenge of selling this marriage to a sceptical public. 451 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,240 So, we were given permission to bring the Mercedes 452 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,400 back to the UK. 453 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,520 The Mercedes was in two containers, 454 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,240 in a vehicle scrapyard on the outskirts of Paris. 455 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,000 While we were loading the shipping containers, 456 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,000 you could see paparazzi in 457 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,320 the surrounding flats taking photographs. 458 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,080 We were followed all the way from Paris to the Channel. 459 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,040 When we got out at Dover on the other side of the Channel, 460 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,240 they were in the lay-by on the A2 waiting for us. 461 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,160 RADIO: Delighted for the Prince of Wales and Camilla Parker-Bowles. 462 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,280 It's very happy news, we all wish them every happiness. 463 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,160 The general consensus is 464 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,320 not a lot of people have a lot against Camilla, 465 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,600 but she's just not Diana. 466 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,560 Diana was still dominating the news agenda 467 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,240 around the Royal Family, 468 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,000 I mean, they were desperate to move on and start again. 469 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,040 In life, Diana had, if not tormented them, 470 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,480 she had caused them an awful lot of trouble 471 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,720 and certainly, she had continued to haunt them. 472 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,320 You know, she famously said she wasn't going quietly 473 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,840 and, boy, that was so true. 474 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,320 During our examination of the car, there were parts of the carpet 475 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,120 that had been removed. 476 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,040 And one part from... 477 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,040 ..Princess Diana's side was heavily blood stained. 478 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,280 Now, the importance of that blood is it was pre-transfusion blood, 479 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,600 it was pure blood from the Princess. 480 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,520 This was picked up by somebody else 481 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,080 as to whether that might be useful in looking to see 482 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,080 if the question about her being pregnant could be answered. 483 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,280 We actually DNA'd it, first of all, 484 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,840 to make sure this was the Princess' blood 485 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,720 and then Professor David Cowan did some very sophisticated tests 486 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,880 on the blood. 487 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,720 David Cowan came back and said, 488 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,560 "Up to a certain level, all I can tell you is she wasn't pregnant. 489 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,760 "If she was pregnant by a short degree, 490 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,080 "it wouldn't pick them up." 491 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,520 But it just shows the lengths we went to. 492 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,520 I interviewed Rosa Monkton who was a very good friend of Diana's 493 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,960 and she was to say that she could have not possibly 494 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,600 have been pregnant because of conversations...they'd had 495 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,200 just a few days before. 496 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,160 I don't really want to talk about her period and stuff, 497 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,480 I just don't feel that's... You know. 498 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,800 The thing about pregnancy 499 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,080 and the details about Diana's body were the most unpleasant part 500 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,440 of what we did, to be frank. 501 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,760 We had to go into intimate details of her sexual life, 502 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,760 intimate details of, you know, the body clock, so to speak. 503 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,080 I can understand anyone saying, 504 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,000 "Well, why do you have to do that and go into the personal details?" 505 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,160 but to actually ensure that these allegations 506 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,920 were investigated properly, to go where the evidence took us, 507 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,680 you had to do it. 508 00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:53,800 It was very important we didn't leave any stone unturned. 509 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,320 We were going to go through a legal process 510 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,200 in the Coroner's Court 511 00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:59,960 in front of a jury, 512 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,560 which would be extremely stressful and difficult. 513 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,680 The British system of criminal justice is a tragic failure. 514 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,440 There are those who say that with a little tinkering here or there 515 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,080 these failures can be prevented. They can't. 516 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,520 My name's Michael Mansfield, 517 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,880 I was contacted to represent Mohamed Al Fayed. 518 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,360 Michael Mansfield, we all know, is a very clever individual. 519 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,280 He specialised in criminal law for 25 years, 520 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,720 founded law centres and human rights groups, 521 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,480 he's successfully defended 522 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,080 a large number of major cases where civil liberties have been at stake. 523 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,600 We were up against it. 524 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,920 You had Michael Mansfield, one of the best defence councils, 525 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,200 I admire the man, in terms of his ability, 526 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,600 with his legal team, looking at every single aspect 527 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,080 of what we had done and did. 528 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,880 The basic question was, what's gone on here? 529 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,800 Princess Diana was right about the fact she was actually going to meet 530 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,240 an untimely occurrence. 531 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,640 So, I started asking myself, "Who benefits from this?" 532 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,200 and I started to think, "Well, I can think of all sorts of people 533 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:23,720 "who might benefit." 534 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,240 Diana had not exactly ingratiated herself 535 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,600 with the Royal Family. 536 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,560 Maybe it was a pure accident, 537 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,200 but I found that difficult to believe from the beginning 538 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,480 and I thought, "This doesn't add up." 539 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,000 I wasn't frightened of the establishment, 540 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,600 the decision was made to see Prince Charles 541 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,000 because of the Burrell letter and the allegations made in that letter. 542 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,200 Princess Diana had stated that she was going to be murdered 543 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,400 by her husband. 544 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,280 We had to see whether there was any substance to that 545 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,040 and we had to have his reply to it. 546 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,400 I'm sure nothing like that had ever happened before, 547 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,280 so that was unprecedented. 548 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,200 I'd never been to St James' Palace before. 549 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,120 I don't know the right term - a footman, a butler, 550 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,480 guided us through. 551 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,440 I do remember there were... 552 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,160 ..some of the rooms were ready for a Christmas party as we walked past 553 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,840 cos it was early December. 554 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,280 I remember thinking I'd rather be going to that party 555 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,080 than actually going in to interview the future king. 556 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,360 I explained why we were going there, 557 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,960 it was the result of the publication of the letter. 558 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,920 He understood the reasons for it 559 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,760 and was only too willing to cooperate. 560 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,240 He came in, was extremely charming. 561 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,400 I put questions to him which were noted down by Dave Douglas. 562 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,880 I'm not a monarchist and I'm not obsessed with the Royal Family 563 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,280 in any way shape or form, 564 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,040 I have to say that Charles was actually very... 565 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,400 Very polite. 566 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,200 Obviously, Lord Stevens is asking him questions and he, deliberately, 567 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:39,920 on a couple of occasions, leant past Lord Stevens 568 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,680 to ask me general questions about Paget, 569 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,920 "How's it going? Is the inquiry going OK?" 570 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,800 He was putting me at my ease 571 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,440 by actually including me in the conversation, 572 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,320 I thought, "That's, that's quite classy, 573 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,480 "doesn't matter whether I like the monarchy or not, 574 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,040 "That's quite classy." I was impressed with that. 575 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,960 He denied being involved in any way, shape or form 576 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,080 and, that was noted. 577 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,600 I don't want to go into what Prince Charles said. 578 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:12,480 All I'll say is that when it came to all of the details in that note, 579 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,680 the Prince of Wales couldn't understand any of it, 580 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:18,280 he couldn't understand why it was written, 581 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,760 he couldn't understand why those names were put in there, 582 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,480 he just couldn't help us with it. 583 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,120 He was as flabbergasted as anybody else. 584 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,880 When she wrote me that note, the Princess was going through 585 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,240 a very tricky part of her life 586 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,320 and so, she wasn't stable, 587 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,720 and her feelings were erratic. 588 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,680 Oh, I think a lot of people felt that Diana was a problem. 589 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,720 This wasn't an overwhelming case of somebody who's 590 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,200 off their rockers or whatever phrase you want to use, 591 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:03,280 and of course, it's very convenient, 592 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,240 if you want to write somebody off, 593 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,480 you say they're a bit "unbalanced", 594 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,960 so they can explain Diana and the whole problem there 595 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,880 because she was a little bit, you know... 596 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,200 Well, I think the headline's strong enough at the top 597 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,400 and it's just a question of which picture we use. 598 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,040 I don't see how anybody can accuse Diana of being overly concerned 599 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,560 with her security. 600 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,000 She was aware, as the public became aware, 601 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,560 that phone calls were being listened to. 602 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,560 And there's more of the tape on pages four and five as well. OK? 603 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,000 "Squidgy" was the tape recording of Diana talking to a man, 604 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,640 possibly an extra-marital friendship 605 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,680 which began to be circulated in...late 1991. 606 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,040 PRESENTER: The Sun newspaper say this tape is genuine. 607 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,040 It records and intimate... 608 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,080 A 45-minute tape... 609 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,760 Rambling... Incoherent, at times, 610 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,640 angry about her lot, 611 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,600 angry about the Royal Family. 612 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,840 Obviously, I think our readers will be absolutely fascinated by 613 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,520 the dialogue. As I said it's not...revelatory in a major way, 614 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,120 this is, really, a kind of a soul-bearing of a woman 615 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,680 who's got many tormented aspects in her life. 616 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,440 Yeah, that's the one, isn't it? Yeah. "My Life's Torture". 617 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,800 And there she is, poor Diana, looking very sad. 618 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,760 She did talk to me about her fears 619 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,360 that...everything she did 620 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,080 was reported back to the other side 621 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,120 and to the other side, she meant Charles' lot, 622 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,400 that, because her...phone calls were tapped, he knew who... 623 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,400 ..she was seeing, who she was meeting, where she was going. 624 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,160 The evidence, as it seemed, was quite compelling. 625 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,760 People just camped outside 626 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,160 wherever Diana was, 627 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,760 wherever Charles was 628 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,080 and while they were camping there, 629 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,480 they'd just have a scanner on, listening, 630 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,720 and you'd obviously tape it cos that tape is worth fortunes. 631 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,000 For the first time, you actually got the Royal Family 632 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,280 not as they wanted to present themselves, but as they really were. 633 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,600 Of course the public are interested in that 634 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,840 and why is that not in the public interest? 635 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,120 Years later, there was the Panorama interview. 636 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,760 Well, there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded. 637 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,840 SHE CHUCKLES 638 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,240 We watched the Martin Bashir interview. 639 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,200 How does it affect the crash? Does it affect what happened 640 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,520 in the conspiracy? Is it relevant to that? 641 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,960 And we said, "Well, no." 642 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,800 And...I have to say it, just like everybody else, we thought this was 643 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,280 a respected BBC journalist, 644 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,640 doing an interview for a respected BBC production, 645 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,880 and the BBC broadcast to the world. 646 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600 So, you'd think, "Well, that's just as it is." 647 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,200 It never crossed our minds that, actually, 648 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:13,760 there was some deception behind getting this. 649 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,720 We now know, courtesy of Diana's brother, 650 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,520 that Martin Bashir presented 651 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,720 a whole series of claims and allegations... 652 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,080 ..that encouraged Diana to meet with Bashir... 653 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,520 And the rest is history. 654 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,360 But in the course of a sort of entrapping, 655 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,440 and I'm afraid that is the phrase, really, 656 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,680 for what Martin Bashir did, entrapping Diana, 657 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:48,160 he concocted these stories... 658 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,200 ..that fuelled her imagination, 659 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:53,680 some would say her paranoia, 660 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:55,560 that she was being followed, 661 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,280 that her phone calls were being tapped. 662 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,560 It doesn't take a huge leap... 663 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,280 ..to go from that to, "My life is in danger." 664 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,360 One day, a man came to see us. 665 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,800 He said he was an ex-MI5 officer, 666 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,280 and he went around all the apartments 667 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,400 and listened for devices. 668 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,280 Couldn't find anything. 669 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,600 But then, he dramatically said to the Princess, 670 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,280 "Well, we have to take down every mirror in the palace... 671 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,280 "..because you can shine a beam from outer space onto a mirror, 672 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,880 "into a room and listen to the conversation." 673 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,240 She believed it was true. 674 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,400 She knew... 675 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,360 ..that her world wasn't safe. 676 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,160 BEEPING 677 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,680 The team were told, you know, "Be very careful, 678 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:03,640 "there may be phone tapping", 679 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:10,400 and lots of thought and effort went into protecting the investigation. 680 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:17,200 There was never a time that we weren't on our guard 681 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:18,960 cos if you were not on your guard, 682 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,240 there were people in the background who'd, you know, 683 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,720 pull the rug from under you and that's the experience I've had 684 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,200 over the years! 685 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:28,440 You have to anticipate that not everybody's on your side, 686 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,800 people are gonna wanna find out what you're doing, 687 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,720 people are trying to get sources of information from you. 688 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,240 We knew at one stage that, you know, we were being followed. 689 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,840 There's a real feeling of isolation 690 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,280 and, "Who are your allies? 691 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,720 "Who are your allies?" 692 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,800 I don't even begin to say I understand 693 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,080 the Princess of Wales and what she was going through, 694 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,160 but, I think, when you're in that position, 695 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,680 when you're at the centre of media attention 696 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,400 all the time, I think you start to see shadows. 697 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,960 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 55492

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