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Every year, over 20,000 child actors
audition for roles in Hollywood.
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Ninety-five percent of them
don't book a single job.
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SHOWBIZ KIDS
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It was just one of those things.
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I didn't know what a regular kid was
because I didn't have any friends.
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'Cause there were
certain limitations.
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I didn't know there was another world
out there for children.
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And the life of a child
was not my life.
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As of 1920, I started to work.
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I was born in 1918,
so I went to work at two.
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I didn't realize it was so special.
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I thought every parent had worked
as a child for their parents.
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I had put that together.
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I was a piece of cake as far
as a director was concerned.
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Anything they told me to do
I did without any fuss.
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I had three big feature films,
were very successful.
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So I went on with my career
for quite a while.
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We had employees, we had
a chauffeur, and we had maids,
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we had a cook, and this was because
we couldn't function as a star
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without those accoutrements.
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They even had a doll
made for me.
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They featured me as the million
dollar child star.
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Every film was going
to be a million dollars.
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But my father discovered that
he would not be cut into the profits,
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so my father got furious.
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So he quit. He broke the contract.
And my career was over at seven.
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My name is Marc Slater, I'm reading
for the role of Proud Peacock.
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Born to a family of all my heroes
in the veil of the great spirit.
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With the kids, I feel like
the rings around Saturn.
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I feel like he and I, at this point,
we're on this outer ring.
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Your physical appearance
and your parents...
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For every hundred auditions,
you're going to get one.
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So if we're on the outer ring
of Saturn, how long is it
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before we get to the second
ring closer with the call back ring ?
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This is the callback ring of kids
that have done this or that.
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Let me get this straight. It goes
audition, callback, booked,
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and the planet is the job,
you got it.
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Marc and Melanie have come
to Los Angeles from Orlando
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to audition for pilot season.
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Marc had expressed interest
that he wanted to be an actor.
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He watched movies, and he was always
trying to portray that character.
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And so when he portrayed that,
he would do really good imitating.
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Imitation was amazing. So...
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You have the stage moms, you know,
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and I don't ever want
to be one of those
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because you see them, and they have
told me that I was a bad mother
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because I let him go to karate.
I let him spar.
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They said, "This is the money maker.
Don't let him..."
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I'm horrified.
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I'll be right here.
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Acting scared the hell out of me.
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I pissed my pants the first time
I was on stage just outright.
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Then as I was sitting in the wings
waiting for my pants to dry,
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I thought, it's not so bad.
I don't think I'll do that again.
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I grew up in South Texas,
sort of in a rural community.
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Being an actor
wasn't really on the radar.
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There weren't a lot of guys going off
to Hollywood in my neighborhood.
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The only kind of show business
was like rodeo show business.
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My piano teacher was the musical
director for the local theater.
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She got me involved in acting,
and I thought it was great
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because it took me
out of piano lessons.
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I thought like I could do this.
I could do this acting thing.
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Momma ? Did our Daddy love us ?
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I was acting,
and I was reading lines
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but I still didn't really have
an idea of what I was doing.
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And nothing about the film industry.
We didn't know what was right
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and you hear all sorts
of horror stories of course.
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Hollywood tales.
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Breaking news from Los Angeles
where '80s heartthrob Corey Haim
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has died from an apparent overdose.
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Troubled pop singer, Britney Spears,
has been carried out of her home
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on a stretcher
and taken to hospital.
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Shia Lebeouf, taken out of a Broadway
theater in handcuffs.
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Lindsay Lohan spent her first night
in jail Tuesday
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on charges of parole violation
relating to a 2007 DUI conviction.
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It's 90 days in jail.
The court's also going to order...
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My parents knew nothing
about the business.
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It kind of scared them, I think.
You hear all these horror stories.
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Hey, I'm Cameron Boyce from "Jessie,"
and you're watching Disney Channel.
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I was actually gonna ask if I could cuss
'cause I was like...
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But like for a Disney kid...
I know, it's HBO. Fuck, right.
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But from a Disney kid,
I'm thinking about that.
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I'm like, should I ?
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Didn't anyone ever
teach you to knock ?
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I did knock. You did not hear it.
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After this, knock harder.
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I hated it, to be honest.
I hated working.
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I hated going on set.
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I was 11 years old. I was a little
girl that wanted to play with dolls.
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I always wanted to be
in show business.
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I used to watch "Sanford and Son,"
and I wanted to be on television.
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I told my mom that I was gonna be
an actor on TV.
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I did the first commercial that was
ever made where it goes, "Butter".
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Tastes good. You are butter.
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Parkay.
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- Did you do that ?
- No, it was the Parkay.
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The songs, the stories
that I would make up
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and the performing that I would do,
people wanted to watch you perform.
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It wasn't you holding your family
captive on holidays to see the show
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that you made up about it.
That was when I put that together
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and I went to my mom and I told her
that I wanted to act.
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And one and two and three and four.
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Quietly. Five and six.
Seven and eight.
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One and two, three and four,
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five and six, and seven and eight.
You're on the little toe on this foot.
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Quietly. Other foot.
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I'm Demi.
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I'm originally from Baton Rouge,
Louisiana.
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And I moved to New York
when I was three years old.
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Good afternoon, Times Square.
How is everybody ?
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Early on, I knew that
she wanted to perform.
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Before I started acting,
I wanted to be a pop star.
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Before I started singing, I wanted
to be a ballerina or a gymnast.
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What was the first thing you booked ?
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The first big thing
was "School of Rock".
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I was in it for 10 months if you
include the rehearsals and stuff.
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It was a lot of fun.
And I made a lot of friends.
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She left "School of Rock," and two
days later, she booked "Lion King".
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How long were you in Lion King ?
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Six, just six months.
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And then she left
to do the Epix show, so...
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I've been on the street for 30 years.
And I'm still here.
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So she's been really busy for
the past couple years. Like nonstop.
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I was three years old
when I started performing.
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I would perform every holiday
for my family.
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I would gather my cousins and
construct different plays
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and play something on the piano
for Christmas.
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It was always
some kind of holiday show.
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My grandmother made sure I was
in dance class, tap dance, ballet,
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pottery, piano lessons,
singing lessons.
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My Saturdays and my after school
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were full of learning different
skill sets for the arts.
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My mom wanted to be an actor
and wanted to be a model
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and she didn't get a lot of support
from my grandmother.
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In my opinion,
she went maybe a little too far
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encouraging me to go into the industry
that she wanted to go into.
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It was never my idea. I don't know
a 7 year old who wants to go to work.
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Somebody's a child star
when they're really good at juggling
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and hackie sacks and weird skill
that you had to master by yourself.
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Everyone's like, "How do you know
how to do all this weird stuff?"
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Because I spent
a lot of time alone on set.
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Doing school in a trailer,
being alone in hotel rooms.
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You're very much isolated
most of the time
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and it's a very fulfilling
but lonely experience.
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It's a lot of time alone.
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Usually, you audition for an agency,
you get an agent, you take lessons...
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But my mom taught me. She was
an actress and an acting coach.
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Also a manager.
She does everything.
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Don't you look wonderful, Willis ?
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- But why the sunglasses ?
- So nobody recognizes me.
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I started with commercials.
I got a lot of different roles.
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Would you rather be black
and live to be a hundred
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or white and live to be 50 ?
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And you weren't really a child there,
you were more of a mini adult.
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My mom was a real mom.
I could do kids' stuff.
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I got to play little league baseball
and played Pop Warner football,
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even though I was working.
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I was able to be a regular child,
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and most other actors
were not able to do that.
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Most child actors don't get a chance
to be regular children.
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There was a sort of snobbery
in our family about acting
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and about the right way
to go about it
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and the right way to present yourself
in that we weren't going to be
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the cutesy like child stars,
we were serious.
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We were gonna do this right.
It was about doing great work.
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Working with great people,
we were kind of snobs.
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I came from a family of artists.
I grew up in Raleigh, North Carolina.
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And my father ran a regional theater.
Still runs the theater there.
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My name is Cobweb. This is Maude.
We're fairies.
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I'm not Maude. I'm Motts Ladybug.
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It was just kind of normal.
It's just something that I did.
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'Cause everyone did it.
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Look what you girls have been up to.
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There was a part of me
that just really wanted to play,
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and it was really apparent early on
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that you would get in trouble
if you wanted to play.
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It would be very disappointing
to people if I didn't want to do this
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because I was talented.
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At a very young age I connected
to something and was able
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to communicate through this medium
in a way that,
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if I didn't want to pursue it,
the vibe was, what a waste.
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I can' believe you won't do it, you
won't pursue this. You're so good at it.
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And so I didn't feel like I could
stop because I was good.
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So I just did it.
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If you get cast, I think
they're gonna let these chefs,
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they're gonna try to make your dish,
and then you get to be the judge of...
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- Today ?
- I don't think that's today.
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That's gonna be on the show
if I get it.
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Jeff, my husband, sat down,
we had a conversation,
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and I'm like, "Can we do this?".
Last year, it was easier
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because he had a better job,
he just changed companies.
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This year, we've had
to go into savings.
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I think it'll be easier for us
if we make it than if we don't.
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We're spending a lot of money,
we're working hard,
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we're both doing the equivalent
of two jobs in some ways.
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- I want to take a picture over here.
- What a day !
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Good. Okay.
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- So how did it go ?
- Great.
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I spent nearly every day after school
driving into Hollywood for auditions
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and going to the agency
and all that stuff.
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I'm the oldest of three kids.
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I'm the only one who was put
into show business.
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I was a successful commercial actor,
really good at taking directions.
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- How's business ?
- Not bad for a bounty hunter.
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Chewbacca, Princess Leia, new driver
action figures, each sold separately.
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I had been cast in a commercial,
and what they wanted me to do
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was take a big bite of this brownie
and then sing the song.
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I was doing what I was told to do,
but there was brownie in my teeth.
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And this director kept
yelling at me about it.
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I was like eight or nine years old.
This guy's just yelling at me.
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It's super abusive.
But I'm nine or eight or whatever.
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I can't express that I didn't
know how to do that.
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What I ended up doing is getting
through the day, finishing the job,
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and then saying to my mom, "I don't
want to do commercials anymore."
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"I want to do movies." So I stopped
going on commercial auditions,
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and I started going
on theatrical auditions.
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- I am Landen Dawson.
- Hi, my name is Natalie Parker.
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Kaylee Rollins.
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Hi !
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Hello, my name is Tam.
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- I am eight years old.
- I'm four.
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- I'm 10 years old.
- My age range is six to eight.
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Reading the role of Alex.
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What do you think you're doing ?
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What do we look like,
fricken Charlie Brown ?
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Juiciest, freshest tomatoes
made in our bottle.
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Julie and those kids have been
harassing me at lunch every dang day,
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and I hit her.
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That may be, but instigators
will not be tolerated.
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- I'm suspending her for a week.
- He can't do that. I'll miss band.
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My mom and my brothers set up this
kind of like mock audition for me
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and then told me at the end,
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"Okay, you were very good,
but you didn't get the part."
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I said, "That's okay,
I could just go on another one."
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I was born and raised in Burbank,
California.
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Growing up there meant that you
were going to see other kids
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going to auditions
the same way you did.
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It was like the way that
other kids did youth soccer.
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Or Girl Scouts. I was a Girl
Scout, and I went on auditions.
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It felt kind of normal, and I don't
think my parents would've let me do it
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if they had ever thought
that I would be cast in movies.
242
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They would have wanted
to keep it very small,
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like putting away money
for college,
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have some fun with it,
but nothing really that big.
245
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So I was a dancer originally.
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At six years old,
I was taking dance classes.
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We had like a little recital
at the end of the year,
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and that recital was the thing
that led my parents to go,
249
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"Oh, he might be able to do that.
He seems like he's having fun."
250
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I was the only kid who seemed
interested at all.
251
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Everyone else was picking their nose
and digging in their butts.
252
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There were plenty of times where
you go on a thousand auditions
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and you book none of them,
and my dad is going,
254
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"Why am I pulling you out of school
two hours early"
255
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"just so you can go
and fail at this audition ?"
256
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Once I started booking things,
it made a little more sense,
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sort of became a part of my life.
A big part of my life for a long time.
258
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I was not following you. And no,
Dad would not let you keep a falcon.
259
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I always say
genius skips a generation
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'cause my daughter and my mother
are incredible actresses,
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and I have to work so hard
to find it.
262
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I grew up in California mostly.
I was born in Russia.
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My father was a doctor, my mother
was a movie star in the former USSR.
264
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My parents ended up finding a job
being a cook and a housekeeper
265
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at this big mansion
up off Mulholland.
266
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All these movies stars and big
directors were staying there.
267
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My mom was expecting that she would
walk into the room with food
268
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and they would be like, "Put the tray
down. You should be sitting with us."
269
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And that didn't happen.
270
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My mom pretty early on realized that,
in a sense, I was her ticket out.
271
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Being an actress, she tried
to teach me what she knew.
272
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I started going to dance class
and taking guitar and piano lessons
273
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and acting classes and tried
to find me an agent really quickly
274
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and started slowly
going on auditions,
275
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but I just wasn't a good actress.
276
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A lot of people just talk about how
intimidating the business could be
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for them at a young age, and
I'm very grateful that I had
278
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the adversity that I had
before I got to Hollywood
279
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because I was prepared
for all the slick stuff
280
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people were trying to pull.
281
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I've had so many people at a young
age try to play me as I were gullible.
282
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I was just like, I'm not the one.
I'd survived the streets of Baltimore,
283
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so this was kind of a Disneyland.
284
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There was a belief in Hollywood
that children were rubber.
285
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They were flexible.
286
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We were flexible,
but not willingly.
287
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It was hard work. I found
that I was adaptable.
288
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I had the talent.
That was my genius.
289
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People go, "She's a genius".
290
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Well, the only genius was
I stayed on my feet.
291
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And my family kept eating.
292
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You start at age three. Seems very
normal. I thought everybody worked.
293
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I didn't realize in the Depression
that a lot of people weren't.
294
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But I just felt
it was a normal kind of thing.
295
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What's going on around here ?
296
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Come here. I'll give you a free ride.
You do it again, show this boy.
297
00:24:19,210 --> 00:24:22,004
My mother was smitten
with show business.
298
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That's terrific.
299
00:24:25,675 --> 00:24:29,136
In the '50s, after the war,
when television got started
300
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they'd just bring kids in and
stick them around like plants.
301
00:24:33,099 --> 00:24:36,185
And now back
to "Kids Are People Too".
302
00:24:37,311 --> 00:24:39,730
It must be kind of weird for you
to watch TV in the afternoon
303
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where they're showing "Happy Days"
and also "The Andy Griffith Show".
304
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In some spots, back to back.
305
00:24:46,946 --> 00:24:49,407
- Who are you ?
- Opie. Opie Taylor.
306
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Does it bring back those memories
of being that young ?
307
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Tremendous memories because
the real fun of a situation like that
308
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are the relationships that
you develop with the people.
309
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,712
And the things that
were going on in between.
310
00:25:03,796 --> 00:25:06,882
The first thing Drew Barrymore
ever says to me is,
311
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"How many movies have you been in ?"
312
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And I say, "Just one."
313
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She goes, "Oh, you poor thing.
I've been in four."
314
00:25:19,729 --> 00:25:21,729
- How old was she ?
- Six.
315
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,488
I understand that you have an alien
in this house. Is that true?
316
00:25:31,907 --> 00:25:35,286
I have all the authority to take him,
and I gotta tell ya,
317
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I'm gonna take him.
318
00:25:37,663 --> 00:25:39,663
You can't take him.
319
00:25:42,251 --> 00:25:44,061
I'm afraid I have to, son.
320
00:25:44,211 --> 00:25:46,756
You can't take him away !
He's mine !
321
00:25:47,006 --> 00:25:50,551
It's not my choice. The president
asked me to come here and get him.
322
00:25:50,676 --> 00:25:54,180
I don't care what the president
said, he's my best friend.
323
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And you can't take him away !
324
00:25:57,725 --> 00:25:59,725
Okay, kid, you got the job.
325
00:26:02,688 --> 00:26:04,415
E.T. came along.
326
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E.T. home phone.
327
00:26:10,780 --> 00:26:16,660
It was intimidating on set because
there were all these kids there.
328
00:26:18,078 --> 00:26:22,208
Suddenly, you're not like the kid
coming in and saying your line.
329
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:26,212
You're watching other kids do it,
and you're watching how they work,
330
00:26:26,337 --> 00:26:30,132
and you say,
"Why didn't I do it like that,"
331
00:26:30,466 --> 00:26:32,927
or, "Is that how
I'm supposed to do it?"
332
00:26:33,219 --> 00:26:37,598
Pretend there's a tear there, then
wipe the tear away from E.T.'s face.
333
00:26:37,723 --> 00:26:42,061
And we'll play it that way. Okay ?
Real softly and gently, and no rush.
334
00:26:42,937 --> 00:26:46,065
I felt like
I had just robbed a bank.
335
00:26:49,235 --> 00:26:51,235
And I was gonna get caught.
336
00:26:51,946 --> 00:26:56,075
When I was I think 10,
I was cast in "The Buddy System",
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a pretty big studio picture.
338
00:26:59,203 --> 00:27:03,541
Emily was a struggling mother, raising
a kid who already knew too much.
339
00:27:03,666 --> 00:27:08,212
Roger Ebert hated it and hated me
which I took super personally
340
00:27:08,337 --> 00:27:10,422
because I didn't know how not to.
341
00:27:10,548 --> 00:27:13,634
As soon as you hear this kid's
first few wisecracks
342
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:16,178
you think,
let me out of this theater.
343
00:27:16,345 --> 00:27:18,848
I think I liked it
even less than you did.
344
00:27:19,014 --> 00:27:20,224
No, you didn't.
345
00:27:20,349 --> 00:27:26,647
The thing that I think people forget,
you're not just talking about an actor,
346
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you're talking about a kid
who is giving up their childhood
347
00:27:31,735 --> 00:27:34,572
to be in this thing
that you're reviewing.
348
00:27:34,989 --> 00:27:38,576
No individual could be this stupid.
This is a very bad film.
349
00:27:38,701 --> 00:27:41,120
I think that just about
covers "The Buddy System".
350
00:27:41,287 --> 00:27:44,164
But the next thing after that
was "Stand By Me,"
351
00:27:44,290 --> 00:27:46,709
and that kind of changed everything.
352
00:27:52,631 --> 00:27:57,344
When I was cast and all of us
met for the very first time,
353
00:27:58,345 --> 00:28:01,974
Rob brought us up to Oregon
two weeks before production
354
00:28:02,224 --> 00:28:04,476
and put us in a little drama school
355
00:28:05,811 --> 00:28:09,940
and took the four of us
through some technique.
356
00:28:10,649 --> 00:28:13,444
What we were learning to do
is get out of our own way,
357
00:28:13,569 --> 00:28:16,322
stop thinking about things
and just be kids.
358
00:28:21,785 --> 00:28:25,539
And one of the reasons "Stand By Me"
is such a successful film
359
00:28:25,664 --> 00:28:29,418
and one of the reasons it connects
with people so honestly
360
00:28:30,002 --> 00:28:34,590
is that Rob cast four kids who
very much were the kids we played.
361
00:28:38,135 --> 00:28:41,889
Mara Wilson was completely new.
She had not done any theater,
362
00:28:42,014 --> 00:28:45,059
she had not done any film work,
she'd done a couple of commercials.
363
00:28:45,184 --> 00:28:48,854
She was like taking a real person
and putting her in front of a camera.
364
00:28:50,648 --> 00:28:53,817
I got called for an open call
for "Mrs. Doubtfire."
365
00:28:53,943 --> 00:28:57,321
Your name is Mara.
What a beautiful name.
366
00:28:57,488 --> 00:29:00,032
You know what my name is ?
Ifigenia.
367
00:29:01,492 --> 00:29:03,869
You know what that means ?
I don't.
368
00:29:05,204 --> 00:29:08,040
Everything kind of
snowballed from there...
369
00:29:08,165 --> 00:29:12,753
Then I got cast on "Melrose Place"
and then in "Miracle on 34th Street."
370
00:29:13,462 --> 00:29:14,814
That's a good one.
371
00:29:14,964 --> 00:29:16,966
And eventually, "Matilda".
372
00:29:20,594 --> 00:29:24,431
It all happened very, very quickly,
from like five to seven.
373
00:29:24,682 --> 00:29:29,853
I didn't know how I felt about it
all, but I was having fun,
374
00:29:29,979 --> 00:29:31,979
so I wanted to keep going.
375
00:29:32,439 --> 00:29:38,487
Don't be phony, be truthful.
Be real. Don't be like, oh !
376
00:29:38,821 --> 00:29:41,115
Be real.
Act like this is real life.
377
00:29:41,991 --> 00:29:45,119
As funny as it is, I could act,
but I couldn't lie.
378
00:29:45,285 --> 00:29:48,747
There was this separation
of this is what play is,
379
00:29:48,872 --> 00:29:52,668
this is what lying is,
and this is what acting is.
380
00:29:58,966 --> 00:30:01,552
I booked "Jessie" when I was 11.
381
00:30:01,927 --> 00:30:04,430
- Who wants a brownie treat ?
- I do ! Lucas !
382
00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:09,852
Four years we did a hundred
and something episodes of the show.
383
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,990
Being on set when I was a kid
because that's naturally who I am,
384
00:30:23,115 --> 00:30:26,368
I wasn't one of those kids
who was causing trouble for anybody,
385
00:30:26,535 --> 00:30:30,205
I wanted to do it right, and I wanted
people to be impressed with me.
386
00:30:30,831 --> 00:30:32,831
Hey, give it back !
387
00:30:34,918 --> 00:30:36,896
Or keep her.
388
00:30:37,046 --> 00:30:39,965
No one was scared of me.
That's the key, right ?
389
00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:43,886
If a child actor is 13 years old
and the crew's scared of him,
390
00:30:44,011 --> 00:30:47,973
and they're like, "Oh, that's the
star of the..." No, fuck that shit.
391
00:30:48,474 --> 00:30:52,186
These people were like,
"Listen, don't do that, do do that."
392
00:30:52,311 --> 00:30:56,899
Respect these people, ask questions,
and be nice, that's what you do.
393
00:30:57,441 --> 00:31:01,070
Because of that,
I was so much better off.
394
00:31:01,695 --> 00:31:04,573
So I was just sort of lucky to be
in that little bubble of like,
395
00:31:04,948 --> 00:31:07,451
everything's good,
everything's fine.
396
00:31:07,618 --> 00:31:10,662
But a lot of other people
didn't have that luxury.
397
00:31:12,790 --> 00:31:15,209
- Did you learn your lines ?
- Oh, yeah.
398
00:31:15,626 --> 00:31:20,089
Did you know what action or how
emotionally you're supposed to feel ?
399
00:31:22,257 --> 00:31:25,094
'Cause she's gonna work
with you on it, so...
400
00:31:29,056 --> 00:31:32,226
Hi ! How are you ?
Hi, sweetheart. Come on in.
401
00:31:33,644 --> 00:31:37,523
Hi, I'm Marnie. Nice to meet you.
Come on in.
402
00:31:39,024 --> 00:31:43,112
So if you wouldn't mind coming back
in an hour, that would be great.
403
00:31:43,487 --> 00:31:46,698
Anything everywhere,
I just, I don't know.
404
00:31:47,157 --> 00:31:49,157
Maybe I don't belong here.
405
00:31:49,701 --> 00:31:53,997
Okay, let's stop for a second.
I'm hearing the words too much.
406
00:31:54,748 --> 00:31:58,836
Do you know what I mean by that ?
Like I can hear the writer's words.
407
00:31:59,211 --> 00:32:03,924
- And I want to be able to hear you.
- Okay.
408
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:08,345
Do you like doing this stuff ?
Do ya ?
409
00:32:09,179 --> 00:32:11,179
Then why ya yawnin' so much ?
410
00:32:12,099 --> 00:32:14,852
Did you not sleep
very well last night ?
411
00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:18,230
- Not really.
- No ? Is this interesting to you ?
412
00:32:19,731 --> 00:32:21,731
Sort of or...
413
00:32:22,734 --> 00:32:25,737
Okay, well, that's honest.
I like your honesty.
414
00:32:26,155 --> 00:32:30,784
We're going to explore this. But if
you don't fall in love with acting,
415
00:32:31,118 --> 00:32:36,290
then you need to talk to mom
and say this is not my cup of tea.
416
00:32:36,832 --> 00:32:39,251
This is not something I love doin'.
417
00:32:40,085 --> 00:32:44,590
I've offered plenty of times...
"Do you want to stop ? It'll be done."
418
00:32:44,715 --> 00:32:51,513
"No, no, no." And then it's like...
He is passionate about what he does.
419
00:32:52,306 --> 00:32:56,977
I've given him the choice. I always
am clear with him if anything,
420
00:32:57,811 --> 00:33:01,815
he didn't like anything, or there was
something he would be upset about,
421
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:04,359
he always has the choice to stop.
422
00:33:05,444 --> 00:33:09,072
You're a kid.
You don't have to work. Right ?
423
00:33:10,115 --> 00:33:13,952
Do you have to pay your mortgage ?
Do you have to pay your rent ? No.
424
00:33:14,077 --> 00:33:15,804
You get to be a kid.
425
00:33:15,954 --> 00:33:19,082
I have to pay my taxes.
And understand taxes.
426
00:33:19,249 --> 00:33:22,211
All of this stuff you have to do
when you're older
427
00:33:22,336 --> 00:33:25,505
that you don't have to do now.
How cool is that ?
428
00:33:26,131 --> 00:33:31,845
If you want to do this, then
we have to put in a lot of the work.
429
00:33:33,805 --> 00:33:37,893
Drama may be not my thing.
Comedy is my thing,
430
00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:41,980
but I'll still have to try.
Try and try. You'll make it.
431
00:33:47,361 --> 00:33:50,364
As long as you're happy,
I'm happy. Whatever.
432
00:33:54,451 --> 00:33:56,451
You good ?
433
00:33:58,914 --> 00:34:01,625
Sometimes I'll feel there were
gaps in my childhood,
434
00:34:01,792 --> 00:34:04,127
like I never learned
how to ride a bike.
435
00:34:04,253 --> 00:34:05,963
Or I remember going back to school
and being like,
436
00:34:06,088 --> 00:34:09,549
"What is this kickball game
that everybody's playing ?"
437
00:34:09,675 --> 00:34:14,554
I didn't do well in school because I
wasn't used to setting my own schedule
438
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,642
because you don't have to develop a
work ethic when everybody around you
439
00:34:18,767 --> 00:34:21,228
is telling you what to do,
at what time,
440
00:34:21,353 --> 00:34:25,649
when you have people escorting you
to hair and makeup, to the set,
441
00:34:25,816 --> 00:34:27,985
telling you they're ready for you.
442
00:34:28,485 --> 00:34:31,321
Yeah, you see here
we go this way.
443
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:36,159
It's gonna be hard for to set your own
schedule to do your homework.
444
00:34:38,161 --> 00:34:40,914
I kind of miss only having
a four-hour workday.
445
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:45,460
You go to school for four hours a day,
and then you work for the other four.
446
00:34:45,585 --> 00:34:47,585
So I kind of miss that.
447
00:34:47,921 --> 00:34:50,549
How do the kids in school
treat you, Henry ?
448
00:34:50,841 --> 00:34:54,720
They... Most of them treat me
all right. They treat me normal.
449
00:34:55,429 --> 00:35:02,019
But some, they tease me about E.T.
and some other movies.
450
00:35:03,603 --> 00:35:07,399
The school thing was
the biggest mix-up for me,
451
00:35:07,566 --> 00:35:12,863
and that was the hardest thing
about working as a kid.
452
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,907
They called me Hollywood or E.T.,
453
00:35:16,116 --> 00:35:19,369
but I had been designated
as being that guy.
454
00:35:19,786 --> 00:35:23,957
So I was always gonna be that guy.
I just didn't realize it at 13.
455
00:35:24,166 --> 00:35:27,836
I thought I cannot be that guy anymore
and to just have friends
456
00:35:28,045 --> 00:35:31,673
and go to school
and do normal things.
457
00:35:35,093 --> 00:35:37,804
I had to finish
my sixth grade year on set.
458
00:35:38,847 --> 00:35:43,101
And seventh grade was the first year
that I went into home schooling.
459
00:35:43,226 --> 00:35:48,148
And so that was the beginning
of instead of 35 kids in my class...
460
00:35:48,482 --> 00:35:51,902
I have three. And they're all
different ages than me.
461
00:35:52,402 --> 00:35:54,780
Like it's just not like...
462
00:35:55,864 --> 00:35:58,116
It's just not a normal experience.
463
00:36:04,206 --> 00:36:06,792
When Demi first started,
I made it a point
464
00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:10,587
that she had to go to school
and get a proper education.
465
00:36:12,005 --> 00:36:16,218
As of right now, this is something
that I'm going to do for like ever.
466
00:36:17,427 --> 00:36:22,015
- Yes, I'm gonna go to college, but...
- She can take a little break.
467
00:36:22,766 --> 00:36:24,766
Four year break.
468
00:36:25,852 --> 00:36:29,689
I really think that this is
something that's gonna last, so...
469
00:36:30,357 --> 00:36:33,527
What are you gonna do this summer,
if you're free ?
470
00:36:33,902 --> 00:36:37,531
I want to go to sleepaway camp
because I've never been.
471
00:36:37,781 --> 00:36:40,784
I was gonna go the year
I booked "School of Rock,"
472
00:36:40,951 --> 00:36:44,538
but then that didn't happen
because I was in "School of Rock".
473
00:36:44,704 --> 00:36:47,457
This might be her first
free summer in a while.
474
00:36:47,874 --> 00:36:51,128
If I don't book anything,
this might be my first summer
475
00:36:51,253 --> 00:36:53,253
where I'm not doing anything.
476
00:36:53,964 --> 00:36:58,468
It was tough. I was in an adult
acting class when I was nine,
477
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:06,935
and so that started at like 7:00
and didn't end until 11:00 some days.
478
00:37:08,478 --> 00:37:12,941
I needed new acting headshot and the
photographer at the end of the shoot
479
00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:18,613
had them put more makeup on me, and
people freaked out over the pictures
480
00:37:18,738 --> 00:37:22,784
'cause I looked really grown up.
And I always thought
481
00:37:22,909 --> 00:37:26,163
I looked like a monster
when they were finished with me
482
00:37:26,288 --> 00:37:29,958
because it's the late '80s,
it was like all that crazy makeup
483
00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:33,753
and photographers loved me.
I was like this little Lolita.
484
00:37:33,962 --> 00:37:37,674
It was all just so risqué
and so bizarre working with a kid.
485
00:37:37,799 --> 00:37:40,177
You'd never get away with it
today.
486
00:37:42,262 --> 00:37:45,765
Photo shoots and stuff maybe
it's more of a girl thing,
487
00:37:45,891 --> 00:37:51,813
but that stuff was much more
traumatizing than filming for me.
488
00:37:52,898 --> 00:37:56,067
I didn't to be in dresses,
I didn't want to be in heels.
489
00:37:56,193 --> 00:37:59,738
I was a tomboy. And that stuff
was really forced onto me
490
00:37:59,863 --> 00:38:03,450
and onto a lot of girls, and
we're starting to reject it now,
491
00:38:03,575 --> 00:38:08,538
but so many people have been
pressured into staying in the closet
492
00:38:08,663 --> 00:38:11,291
and conforming
to certain gender norms
493
00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:16,171
that are really prevalent
in the film industry.
494
00:38:19,841 --> 00:38:23,094
How old were you when you were
picked for this picture ?
495
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:25,514
- I was 14.
- Did you know the story ?
496
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,518
Yes. My mother had read the book,
and we discussed the story,
497
00:38:29,643 --> 00:38:35,565
and she knew that Mr. Harris and
Mr. Kubrick do very artful pictures
498
00:38:35,982 --> 00:38:38,610
and that they are not
a quicky film company.
499
00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:41,029
She had quite
a bit of faith in them.
500
00:38:42,155 --> 00:38:46,660
Jodie Foster loves her life. Although
she has worked since she was three,
501
00:38:46,952 --> 00:38:50,747
she doesn't feel she has missed
anything. On the contrary.
502
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,292
I missed all the bad things.
I missed all the pimples
503
00:38:54,417 --> 00:38:58,463
and insecurities and, oh, what am
I going to do, he doesn't like me.
504
00:38:58,588 --> 00:39:01,925
I missed all the bad things
about growing up really.
505
00:39:04,052 --> 00:39:09,307
Do you see yourself as a 12-year-old
girl, an actress, a model,
506
00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:11,933
an adult, a kid ?
507
00:39:12,644 --> 00:39:17,732
I see myself as a 12 year old kid
that just has maybe more privileges
508
00:39:18,024 --> 00:39:21,528
and has experienced more
than another 12-year-old kid.
509
00:39:26,074 --> 00:39:29,452
Leon, I think I'm kind of
falling in love with you.
510
00:39:33,206 --> 00:39:35,206
It's the first time for me.
511
00:39:36,167 --> 00:39:40,839
I knew that movie was nothing without
the casting of Matilda being perfect.
512
00:39:42,173 --> 00:39:46,386
I don't think Luc Besson fully
understood how big a challenge
513
00:39:46,511 --> 00:39:49,014
it was gonna be to find parents
who would let
514
00:39:49,139 --> 00:39:52,017
their 11-year-old daughter
play this part.
515
00:39:53,393 --> 00:39:56,730
- Hi, Matilda.
- Hi, Piggy.
516
00:39:58,023 --> 00:40:00,859
- How are you doin' ?
- I've seen better days.
517
00:40:00,984 --> 00:40:02,984
But I've seen worse also.
518
00:40:04,613 --> 00:40:08,199
- Speak up, I can't hear you.
- It's a belly button ring.
519
00:40:09,075 --> 00:40:12,412
How else can I say it ?
I don't speak no other languages.
520
00:40:12,621 --> 00:40:17,000
And you know what that is ?
That is a tongue ring.
521
00:40:18,043 --> 00:40:22,464
It's that dichotomy with art of...
Teenagers do have a sexuality.
522
00:40:23,465 --> 00:40:27,260
And there's a part of me that
believes we should explore that
523
00:40:27,385 --> 00:40:32,015
in a way that makes them feel less
crazy and more in tune with themselves.
524
00:40:32,307 --> 00:40:34,726
Sometimes if it's done right,
it can be
525
00:40:34,893 --> 00:40:39,439
a really beautiful exploration
of innocence and coming of age.
526
00:40:40,649 --> 00:40:44,653
You need them to be sexual, but you
also need them to not be sexual.
527
00:40:45,487 --> 00:40:49,532
You need to push the boundaries
while not pushing any boundaries.
528
00:40:49,658 --> 00:40:52,619
And you're navigating
this super adult world,
529
00:40:52,744 --> 00:40:55,246
which is just being dangled
in front of your face
530
00:40:55,372 --> 00:41:00,210
while being told to stay a kid.
That option is gone already.
531
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,840
Kids talk about sex all the time,
but I still think it's kind of gross.
532
00:41:06,758 --> 00:41:10,428
I knew about my sexuality
when I was about 12.
533
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:17,727
I'm bisexual. And that was really
interesting to navigate as well.
534
00:41:18,895 --> 00:41:22,565
When I started doing better
in the industry, yeah,
535
00:41:22,732 --> 00:41:26,695
and I sort of prepubescent
and you're put in these situations,
536
00:41:27,195 --> 00:41:31,241
a lot of them are your first
experiences, and they're on camera.
537
00:41:33,243 --> 00:41:36,621
You're put into an environment
with a lot of adults,
538
00:41:36,746 --> 00:41:40,166
you end up becoming very friendly
with a lot of adults,
539
00:41:40,291 --> 00:41:47,090
and your mom can't always be there.
Especially in your teenage years
540
00:41:47,757 --> 00:41:52,595
where you're pushing your boundaries,
am I a girl, am I a woman yet,
541
00:41:52,762 --> 00:41:57,142
I want to be a woman, but like
my mom won't let me kind of thing.
542
00:41:57,267 --> 00:42:02,063
I got myself into some messes
with guys for sure, older guys.
543
00:42:03,022 --> 00:42:06,192
When I think now
what were they doing with me,
544
00:42:06,317 --> 00:42:09,654
I'm like, geez,
what schmucks and what creeps !
545
00:42:09,821 --> 00:42:14,909
But at the time, I just thought,
because I'm so special and mature.
546
00:42:15,618 --> 00:42:20,081
I guess I was ! I was like this
magical little creature at the time.
547
00:42:21,166 --> 00:42:25,712
It just saddens me that people
would want to take advantage of that.
548
00:42:53,490 --> 00:42:55,490
Thank you for signing.
549
00:42:56,868 --> 00:42:58,868
Thank you so much.
550
00:43:04,918 --> 00:43:07,712
After E.T.
and two weeks in the theater,
551
00:43:07,879 --> 00:43:10,757
it was kind of a sensation
for a few months.
552
00:43:10,882 --> 00:43:14,803
E.T. is a phenomenon, the biggest
thing ever to hit the cinema.
553
00:43:14,928 --> 00:43:17,305
That seemed like forever as a kid.
554
00:43:18,348 --> 00:43:21,267
I was in San Antonio, Texas,
and people were like,
555
00:43:21,392 --> 00:43:27,065
"Oh my God, it's the kid from E.T."
I wasn't set up for that at 10 or 11.
556
00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:37,116
The best way I can describe it
is for a long time, to me,
557
00:43:37,242 --> 00:43:41,579
being recognized felt like the way
it does when you're in a restaurant
558
00:43:41,704 --> 00:43:44,165
and they sing to you
on your birthday.
559
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:48,753
"Oh God, this is nice, but
I don't feel comfortable with this"
560
00:43:48,878 --> 00:43:52,298
"in front of everybody and
everybody's gonna know..."
561
00:43:53,132 --> 00:43:56,302
That's kind of how I felt
about being recognized.
562
00:43:57,262 --> 00:44:01,933
My experience switched. I stopped
being a kid who was an actor
563
00:44:02,141 --> 00:44:06,271
and I became a child star and
that fundamentally changed my life.
564
00:44:09,941 --> 00:44:13,987
I was all of a sudden getting letters
from people from all over the country.
565
00:44:14,112 --> 00:44:17,198
Those of you who write hate letters,
please spell correctly.
566
00:44:17,323 --> 00:44:20,410
I was recognized when I went places
for my work.
567
00:44:20,535 --> 00:44:24,747
People wanted me to talk about
stuff that I knew nothing about.
568
00:44:28,585 --> 00:44:32,630
I turned into a teen magazine
teeny bopper idol kid.
569
00:44:35,008 --> 00:44:38,136
I hated all of that stuff.
I didn't like it at all.
570
00:44:38,303 --> 00:44:42,682
It was way outside of my comfort zone,
it was not what I wanted to do.
571
00:44:43,266 --> 00:44:45,602
Am I famous ?
I don't think, am I famous ?
572
00:44:45,727 --> 00:44:49,272
It created this reality for me
where I had to play the role
573
00:44:49,397 --> 00:44:51,399
of the young celebrity.
574
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:54,861
The adults in my life who should
have been protecting me
575
00:44:55,028 --> 00:44:59,449
were like, "This is the dream"
and kept pushing me into these places
576
00:44:59,574 --> 00:45:02,827
where I didn't feel safe
and I felt really afraid.
577
00:45:06,748 --> 00:45:10,335
You shouldn't have to deal
with all the responsibilities
578
00:45:10,460 --> 00:45:13,546
and all of the eyeballs
when you're that young.
579
00:45:14,923 --> 00:45:18,009
Everybody has an idea
of what they want you to be,
580
00:45:18,134 --> 00:45:22,180
and at that age, you don't even
know what the hell you want to be.
581
00:45:28,227 --> 00:45:32,357
It's fucked up to think about
your entire adolescent life
582
00:45:32,482 --> 00:45:35,193
is documented
for the entire world to see.
583
00:45:35,777 --> 00:45:38,738
That's when you go
through your awkward phase,
584
00:45:38,863 --> 00:45:42,367
that's when you go through what
am I, I don't know what I want
585
00:45:42,492 --> 00:45:45,787
and everyone is watching you,
everyone has something to say,
586
00:45:45,912 --> 00:45:49,165
everyone has an opinion about
what you should be doing.
587
00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:52,794
People would not tell the truth,
just say whatever they want,
588
00:45:52,919 --> 00:45:55,129
and they're believed by followers.
589
00:45:55,254 --> 00:45:59,467
When you get a like on social media,
you get a little hit in your brain.
590
00:45:59,592 --> 00:46:03,638
And it becomes this self-perpetuating,
self-reinforcing thing.
591
00:46:06,933 --> 00:46:11,437
You're blogging for the YouTube
channel. It's like a family vacation.
592
00:46:12,271 --> 00:46:14,732
But it's not a vacation
because we're working.
593
00:46:14,857 --> 00:46:18,486
Just dealing with the pressures
of social media alone...
594
00:46:19,028 --> 00:46:23,241
If I had to cultivate my career as
a young person under the spotlight
595
00:46:23,533 --> 00:46:27,161
and the way as young people have
to cultivate their career today,
596
00:46:27,286 --> 00:46:32,917
I don't know who or what
I would have become, honestly.
597
00:46:43,761 --> 00:46:46,055
We're doing the best we can do
on the set,
598
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:50,601
but we also have to do it in public.
And we have to live in public.
599
00:46:51,185 --> 00:46:55,189
To get attention from people
in public. And one day, it's gone.
600
00:46:56,315 --> 00:46:59,402
And you don't know what to do.
That's how you end up
601
00:46:59,527 --> 00:47:03,031
on a shitty reality show because
you're like, pay attention to me,
602
00:47:03,156 --> 00:47:05,950
'cause it's the only way
I know how to exist.
603
00:47:06,117 --> 00:47:08,117
Can I get my face painted ?
604
00:47:08,327 --> 00:47:11,456
How about we wait 'til the line's
a little shorter ?
605
00:47:11,789 --> 00:47:13,789
We are professionals.
606
00:47:16,586 --> 00:47:20,089
We are probably a little more
mature than the average kid.
607
00:47:20,214 --> 00:47:22,759
Socially,
we probably have more skills.
608
00:47:24,177 --> 00:47:26,929
But we still don't know jack shit
about the world.
609
00:47:27,055 --> 00:47:29,724
I understand that you see me
in a certain way,
610
00:47:29,849 --> 00:47:34,062
people put you on a pedestal,
people think you're really smart
611
00:47:34,187 --> 00:47:38,983
but that's because you're a child
actor. They don't actually know you.
612
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:43,905
You might recognize Mara from...
Barbara, can we swap over here ?
613
00:47:44,155 --> 00:47:47,200
Just swap moms. No, come in.
Scootch over.
614
00:47:47,909 --> 00:47:51,245
You may recognize Mara
from "Mrs. Doubtfire".
615
00:47:53,539 --> 00:47:56,876
It felt very out of control
to have everybody know my name
616
00:47:57,001 --> 00:47:59,670
and I didn't feel like
I could trust anybody.
617
00:47:59,796 --> 00:48:03,925
That's still a problem I have now.
I don't know when people want me
618
00:48:04,050 --> 00:48:07,804
because they think I have
connections or they like me
619
00:48:07,929 --> 00:48:10,973
because of an image that
they have of me as a child.
620
00:48:11,099 --> 00:48:14,685
Evan, how did it feel to get
nominated for a young star award ?
621
00:48:14,811 --> 00:48:17,563
It's wonderful. I was nominated
last year, and I had such a fun time,
622
00:48:17,688 --> 00:48:20,441
so I'm really looking
forward to going again.
623
00:48:20,566 --> 00:48:24,737
The better I did, the more I felt
like who I was wasn't acceptable.
624
00:48:25,071 --> 00:48:28,074
I don't think
that anybody did that on purpose,
625
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:32,745
but suddenly, I felt like
I didn't belong to myself anymore.
626
00:48:33,037 --> 00:48:36,707
I was a commodity that needed
to be monitored and groomed,
627
00:48:36,833 --> 00:48:40,711
and I had to look a certain way
and present myself a certain way.
628
00:48:40,837 --> 00:48:44,006
Straighten your hand up.
There you go. Excellent.
629
00:48:45,633 --> 00:48:48,636
My voice just kept
getting quieter and quieter.
630
00:48:48,761 --> 00:48:52,140
You don't really know,
do you want to be my friend
631
00:48:52,265 --> 00:48:55,643
because you want to be my friend,
or because I'm on TV ?
632
00:48:56,936 --> 00:48:59,647
You got to figure that out
for yourself.
633
00:49:00,106 --> 00:49:04,360
At 13, you don't have the social skills
to sniff out a social climate
634
00:49:04,485 --> 00:49:07,780
or a person who's trying to use you.
And I got used.
635
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,743
All of a sudden, all of my cousins who
have either ignored me or tormented me
636
00:49:13,035 --> 00:49:17,373
are treating me like I'm a big deal.
I knew that it wasn't because of me,
637
00:49:17,498 --> 00:49:21,377
it was because of the movie.
I remember kind of resenting that.
638
00:49:21,627 --> 00:49:26,299
It would have been better to be like,
"Yay, they finally care that I exist."
639
00:49:26,465 --> 00:49:29,969
But I remember feeling like
this is all bullshit.
640
00:49:30,386 --> 00:49:33,389
This isn't about me,
this is because I'm famous.
641
00:49:33,514 --> 00:49:38,144
And that was the beginning
of not being able to trust anybody.
642
00:49:43,983 --> 00:49:49,822
Professionally, it made me the it kid
that every casting director wanted
643
00:49:49,947 --> 00:49:52,825
to get a Henry Thomas type
for the next role.
644
00:49:53,784 --> 00:49:55,470
Help, police, murder.
645
00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:59,165
I remember I was getting scripts
with straight offers
646
00:49:59,290 --> 00:50:03,252
and we had to listen to an agent.
It was just a strange time.
647
00:50:04,879 --> 00:50:08,883
And I also felt like I really
didn't know what I was doing still,
648
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:13,638
but now everybody was acting
like I did know everything
649
00:50:13,763 --> 00:50:15,763
about what I was doing.
650
00:50:20,061 --> 00:50:24,482
It's a funny dance when you're a kid
because it hits you all at once.
651
00:50:24,732 --> 00:50:28,611
Emotions for me as a kid
were so overwhelming and palpable.
652
00:50:29,111 --> 00:50:33,115
That sense of pressure,
of you have to perform now.
653
00:50:35,826 --> 00:50:38,996
Hey, Ricey. What's the matter ?
Can't sit straight ?
654
00:50:41,582 --> 00:50:44,585
Hey, Ricey, what's the matter ?
Can't you str...
655
00:50:50,508 --> 00:50:53,386
Child stars never earned
any money at all.
656
00:50:53,511 --> 00:50:56,764
It was just considered
taking candy from a baby.
657
00:50:57,348 --> 00:51:02,103
So at 10, I retired, having made from
my family between films and vaudeville
658
00:51:02,228 --> 00:51:07,108
two million that I'm sure of and another
million that I'm not quite certain of.
659
00:51:08,317 --> 00:51:11,404
Jackie Coogan was a victim
of being exploited.
660
00:51:11,988 --> 00:51:16,367
His family exploited him terrifically.
He endorsed everything.
661
00:51:18,452 --> 00:51:24,208
I had enumerable outside
interests, endorsements
662
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,795
of product and food and clothing.
663
00:51:29,213 --> 00:51:32,967
So I was earning about a million
dollars a year, all told.
664
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,806
Coogan had success as a child star
and he ran a full course.
665
00:51:40,975 --> 00:51:44,270
But he was destitute
and he died broke.
666
00:51:50,026 --> 00:51:52,778
I had money, but not the money
I should have had.
667
00:51:52,903 --> 00:51:56,699
My dad should have told us that these
people were ripping off his clients,
668
00:51:56,824 --> 00:52:00,411
my dad didn't tell us for three years
and he got most of my stuff too.
669
00:52:00,536 --> 00:52:05,333
When they comin' to get you,
they don't come by themselves,
670
00:52:05,458 --> 00:52:08,127
they come in a little minivan
full of people.
671
00:52:08,252 --> 00:52:11,172
And everyone's doing something
different, working a different angle,
672
00:52:11,297 --> 00:52:15,092
and all to get you out of your money in
your pocket. That's what it's all about.
673
00:52:15,217 --> 00:52:18,929
The money that I earn from movies
goes into a savings account.
674
00:52:19,055 --> 00:52:20,990
But I get my allowance.
675
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:25,269
But what people don't realize,
no matter how little or how much money
676
00:52:25,436 --> 00:52:30,524
that the child makes, that it is
the child's money, it's not our money.
677
00:52:32,526 --> 00:52:38,199
I think I felt an enormous pressure
on myself like to stay at home
678
00:52:38,324 --> 00:52:43,954
and make that peaceful
and have a degree of normalcy.
679
00:52:46,624 --> 00:52:50,711
But there was an ongoing existential
"now what" with the family,
680
00:52:50,878 --> 00:52:54,840
my mom was there with me all the time,
my dad was still working,
681
00:52:54,965 --> 00:53:00,513
and she basically came with me
for the next four years, five years,
682
00:53:00,638 --> 00:53:04,266
on all of my films until I was 17.
683
00:53:05,893 --> 00:53:11,273
I think she resented me for that
for years afterwards.
684
00:53:12,108 --> 00:53:15,236
But when you're a kid
you don't really think about
685
00:53:15,361 --> 00:53:20,366
what everybody else has to do
to accommodate your film career.
686
00:53:21,367 --> 00:53:24,537
We try to keep him halfway normal.
687
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,080
He just wants to be regular.
688
00:53:28,749 --> 00:53:33,003
She was coming at it
from a place of ignorance,
689
00:53:34,463 --> 00:53:38,342
of I don't know this world
and it's scary to me
690
00:53:39,468 --> 00:53:45,182
and I feel like people are trying
to rip us off and possibly hurt us.
691
00:53:45,766 --> 00:53:52,440
So that was her front and her
attitude and I don't think
692
00:53:52,606 --> 00:53:56,652
it necessarily did me
a lot of favors career wise
693
00:53:56,944 --> 00:54:00,656
because I think she was labeled
as difficult to work with
694
00:54:00,781 --> 00:54:04,910
and consequently I was labeled
as difficult to work with.
695
00:54:06,412 --> 00:54:08,412
Wait, what ?
696
00:54:09,623 --> 00:54:11,623
A callback !
697
00:54:13,461 --> 00:54:15,546
- But when is it ?
- Next week.
698
00:54:16,422 --> 00:54:19,758
You have to prepare this sides
with a southern accent
699
00:54:19,884 --> 00:54:26,724
and if the music director asks, please
be prepared to rift on the songs.
700
00:54:29,768 --> 00:54:33,063
Everything revolves around her,
so I don't work
701
00:54:33,189 --> 00:54:36,442
because I follow her around
all day and bring her to auditions,
702
00:54:36,567 --> 00:54:39,236
she needs to be on set
and I have to be there,
703
00:54:39,361 --> 00:54:44,533
so we've all sacrificed a lot
so she could do what she loves.
704
00:54:45,659 --> 00:54:47,661
I hope she knows that.
705
00:54:49,497 --> 00:54:51,497
Morning, Dad.
706
00:54:53,459 --> 00:54:57,796
People have to sacrifice for you,
which I didn't understand as a kid,
707
00:54:57,963 --> 00:55:01,967
but looking back on it now,
I go, "Wow, my dad quit his job."
708
00:55:02,551 --> 00:55:06,138
My son is irritated with me
'cause I'm documenting this.
709
00:55:06,263 --> 00:55:09,141
And I'm documenting this
because I can.
710
00:55:09,558 --> 00:55:13,437
My mom was letting me skip
my last period in school
711
00:55:13,604 --> 00:55:16,982
so I could go to some stupid audition
that I didn't book
712
00:55:17,149 --> 00:55:21,195
and when it really hit home for me
was when my sister
713
00:55:21,946 --> 00:55:26,200
would come home from school
and talk about how her classmates
714
00:55:26,325 --> 00:55:30,454
would just naturally
associate her with me
715
00:55:30,704 --> 00:55:34,291
and that's what she was.
I hated that and that killed me.
716
00:55:35,543 --> 00:55:39,964
I didn't want her to feel she was in
my shadow or that she was lesser than.
717
00:55:40,130 --> 00:55:43,884
So there are things that you think
back on and you're like that changed
718
00:55:44,009 --> 00:55:50,432
the entire fabric of my family
and the way that we work as a unit.
719
00:55:51,100 --> 00:55:56,063
Especially with my mother,
she clinged, she clung to me
720
00:55:56,188 --> 00:56:00,025
during that time, 'cause
she wanted to be very protective.
721
00:56:00,442 --> 00:56:04,488
I can't help but think that I'm
sure people in my family felt like
722
00:56:05,155 --> 00:56:09,285
she started disappearing with me
when my career started taking off.
723
00:56:10,578 --> 00:56:14,873
And I think we all felt it.
And I felt a lot of guilt for it
724
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:20,504
that I never really vocalized
or knew how to process.
725
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:27,928
Then very quickly, whatever
struggles I was going through,
726
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,310
I couldn't talk about
'cause I was where
727
00:56:34,768 --> 00:56:39,315
a lot of people in my family
wanted to be in...
728
00:56:40,691 --> 00:56:45,070
I think I silenced my voice
pretty quick
729
00:56:45,613 --> 00:56:48,782
and I felt like
I can't complain about anything.
730
00:56:51,076 --> 00:56:54,038
Mara clearly has a grip
on playing a dramatic role,
731
00:56:54,163 --> 00:56:56,749
but nothing could have prepared her
for what happened
732
00:56:56,874 --> 00:57:00,252
in the middle of our ET
interview when she lost a tooth.
733
00:57:02,421 --> 00:57:04,423
Yes. Oh no.
734
00:57:10,554 --> 00:57:14,642
My mother died during the post
production process of "Matilda".
735
00:57:14,767 --> 00:57:18,979
I felt lost and unmoored without her
and just kept acting in movies
736
00:57:19,104 --> 00:57:21,982
because it felt
like a constant in my life.
737
00:57:22,441 --> 00:57:26,403
The entertainment industry
is gonna make a decision about me.
738
00:57:26,820 --> 00:57:31,742
Am I a serious actor who's going
to follow a track
739
00:57:31,909 --> 00:57:35,287
that leads to serious work
and serious roles ?
740
00:57:36,372 --> 00:57:40,084
Am I an accident
that got lucky in one movie ?
741
00:57:43,379 --> 00:57:46,090
My parents put me
in a shitty horror movie.
742
00:57:46,215 --> 00:57:48,717
But here nothing is what it seems.
743
00:57:50,803 --> 00:57:53,514
Because they threw
a bunch of money at us.
744
00:57:54,056 --> 00:57:57,476
And dangled a trip to Rome
for the family.
745
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:05,442
Wil Wheaton of "Stand By Me"
must stand alone against "The Curse".
746
00:58:06,527 --> 00:58:10,781
My mother was being my manager
in my life circumstance,
747
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:15,869
this was all about her needs
and not about what was best for me.
748
00:58:17,037 --> 00:58:20,874
I went and worked in a phenomenally
abusive environment.
749
00:58:20,999 --> 00:58:24,294
And had a terrible experience.
It really hurt my film career.
750
00:58:24,503 --> 00:58:27,131
Our next movie
is "Return to the Blue Lagoon".
751
00:58:27,256 --> 00:58:29,967
One of the most
ridiculous movies I have ever seen
752
00:58:30,134 --> 00:58:32,678
in a long career
of many ridiculous movies.
753
00:58:33,053 --> 00:58:38,350
I felt so horrible after reading
bad review after bad review.
754
00:58:39,476 --> 00:58:42,563
It screws you up.
You're just becoming a teenager
755
00:58:42,771 --> 00:58:48,152
and this is your first understanding
of where your place is in the world,
756
00:58:48,444 --> 00:58:53,407
how people view you, and that put
a bad taste in my mouth for acting
757
00:58:53,615 --> 00:58:57,953
and that really convinced me that
this wasn't what I was meant to do.
758
00:58:58,412 --> 00:59:03,041
My mother was an amazing actress,
but I needed to find myself.
759
00:59:06,795 --> 00:59:09,423
You're in this environment
of a circus.
760
00:59:11,508 --> 00:59:16,346
Where everybody understands and
everybody's there to accommodate you
761
00:59:17,598 --> 00:59:22,394
because you're all in the same world,
you're working together to do something.
762
00:59:23,395 --> 00:59:26,940
Then you leave that
and you go back to, in my case,
763
00:59:27,107 --> 00:59:31,945
rural Texas where mostly no one
has been on a film set
764
00:59:32,988 --> 00:59:38,952
and you start to get this feeling
like, I don't belong here,
765
00:59:39,870 --> 00:59:42,206
I belong there in the circus world.
766
00:59:42,831 --> 00:59:47,544
So everything that fails here I'm just
gonna take this back to the circus
767
00:59:48,045 --> 00:59:50,964
and the circus people,
they'll be cool to me.
768
00:59:53,425 --> 00:59:56,595
Let's all hug and pretend
like we like each other.
769
00:59:58,514 --> 01:00:02,768
My mom really felt like she was doing
the right thing most of the time.
770
01:00:04,603 --> 01:00:08,649
But I think where everyone failed,
moms, managers, lawyers,
771
01:00:09,149 --> 01:00:11,568
no one ever asked me
how I was doing.
772
01:00:13,612 --> 01:00:18,450
My emotional state was equated
with how well I was doing.
773
01:00:20,285 --> 01:00:24,665
The better I did in my career,
the more they just assumed I was fine.
774
01:00:25,916 --> 01:00:29,962
No one really checked in,
especially as things began to ramp up,
775
01:00:30,128 --> 01:00:33,632
and the fame came in,
no one asked how are you...
776
01:00:36,927 --> 01:00:38,927
Just a simple question.
777
01:00:41,849 --> 01:00:43,849
The amount of pressure
778
01:00:44,059 --> 01:00:47,688
that young entertainers
have to have it all together
779
01:00:47,896 --> 01:00:51,859
and to not be allowed
to actually be young.
780
01:00:53,819 --> 01:00:56,488
The kind of detriment
that I see that it has
781
01:00:56,613 --> 01:01:00,450
on the psychology of young adults,
it's a lot of pressure.
782
01:01:03,537 --> 01:01:07,958
One thing that Jaden and Willow...
They don't have to figure it all out.
783
01:01:08,125 --> 01:01:11,587
There's some pitfalls that
we can see and go, "Not that."
784
01:01:11,712 --> 01:01:13,755
We really are proud of Willow.
785
01:01:13,881 --> 01:01:19,678
Money, fame, glamour, I have
seen people lose sight of that.
786
01:01:21,263 --> 01:01:23,724
Even Will and I have
slipped into that.
787
01:01:24,016 --> 01:01:28,270
We had to catch ourselves and Willow's
like, "I'm not doing 'Whip My Hair'".
788
01:01:31,064 --> 01:01:35,569
After "Whip My Hair" thing I was
plunged into this like black hole.
789
01:01:36,653 --> 01:01:39,323
- And I was like cutting myself.
- What ?
790
01:01:40,449 --> 01:01:44,077
I've seen a lot of beautiful
young people and children,
791
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,080
I've seen them...
792
01:01:49,917 --> 01:01:53,503
I've seen them
just be destroyed.
793
01:01:58,675 --> 01:02:02,596
My parents were always telling me
you have to be happy and smiley
794
01:02:02,763 --> 01:02:07,059
and you have to be nice to your fans
and it could be hard for me.
795
01:02:07,225 --> 01:02:11,438
I struggled with it because I just
wanted to hang out with my friends,
796
01:02:11,563 --> 01:02:14,608
I didn't really want
to be signing autographs.
797
01:02:15,150 --> 01:02:20,405
I had some kind of imposter syndrome.
But I started picking up on things
798
01:02:20,781 --> 01:02:24,826
and it happened from a young age,
I noticed like much older men,
799
01:02:24,952 --> 01:02:29,331
being interested in me and knowing
my name, which felt wrong to me.
800
01:02:30,082 --> 01:02:33,126
I remember Googling my own name,
which was a terrible thing,
801
01:02:33,418 --> 01:02:37,172
and I saw people talking about
Photoshop child porn for me.
802
01:02:38,590 --> 01:02:41,718
It was hard for me sometimes
to talk to my family about this
803
01:02:41,843 --> 01:02:44,721
because I felt like I was
a burden on them.
804
01:02:45,138 --> 01:02:48,433
My parents tried to protect me
from these dangers,
805
01:02:48,558 --> 01:02:52,479
but I could feel them,
and I knew that there were times
806
01:02:52,604 --> 01:02:55,899
when they just weren't going
to be able to protect me.
807
01:02:56,233 --> 01:02:58,652
Maybe it would be best
if you didn't even mention
808
01:02:58,777 --> 01:03:02,572
that I gave you
all this ice cream before dinner.
809
01:03:03,657 --> 01:03:06,451
Why don't we just make it
our little secret ?
810
01:03:07,411 --> 01:03:09,579
Mr. Horton, you're sneaky.
811
01:03:10,956 --> 01:03:13,625
The thing about that issue
when you're young
812
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:16,878
is you're not able to talk about.
That's the biggest problem.
813
01:03:17,045 --> 01:03:20,507
You feel ashamed of yourself
so then you keep it a secret.
814
01:03:20,632 --> 01:03:26,096
I was 12 years old and my publicist
basically talked me into doing things
815
01:03:26,221 --> 01:03:29,599
that I didn't really want to do.
I hadn't had sex before
816
01:03:29,725 --> 01:03:33,020
and he convinced me that this
was the right thing to do
817
01:03:33,145 --> 01:03:37,816
and told me like don't tell your
parents, and he bought me a bicycle.
818
01:03:38,567 --> 01:03:42,029
He always kept doing things for me
that I didn't understand.
819
01:03:42,154 --> 01:03:46,283
He started at 11. He seduced me
and he started at 11 years old.
820
01:03:47,451 --> 01:03:51,872
When I told my mom about it,
she could look in my eyes and know.
821
01:03:52,289 --> 01:03:55,250
My dad took his side, and
that was the bad thing.
822
01:03:55,375 --> 01:03:58,920
When my dad took his side,
that crushed me, it ruined me
823
01:03:59,337 --> 01:04:02,382
because then I was
on a self-destruction course.
824
01:04:02,507 --> 01:04:06,678
To destroy myself just to hurt him.
A lot of parents need to see
825
01:04:06,845 --> 01:04:10,140
that these people are right there
ready to trick you.
826
01:04:11,475 --> 01:04:14,603
Trick you away from your kid
and that's a bad thing.
827
01:04:14,895 --> 01:04:19,357
In my experience, I know a lot
of kids that grew up in the industry
828
01:04:19,524 --> 01:04:25,655
and what surprised me was finding out
that pretty much all of the young men
829
01:04:27,365 --> 01:04:29,618
were abused in some way, sexually.
830
01:04:32,662 --> 01:04:39,377
I was at the Golden Globes,
I watched a pedophile win, I knew
831
01:04:39,628 --> 01:04:43,256
that he's molested boys
in the industry.
832
01:04:43,965 --> 01:04:47,928
And I watched him get up
and accept an award and I walked out
833
01:04:48,053 --> 01:04:52,891
and just started sobbing and a bunch
of people ran after me and they said,
834
01:04:53,183 --> 01:04:56,895
"What's wrong ?" "I don't know
if I can do this anymore."
835
01:04:57,187 --> 01:05:01,358
"I can't keep watching this happen.
I don't know how to handle this."
836
01:05:01,483 --> 01:05:02,984
"This has to stop."
837
01:05:03,110 --> 01:05:05,529
After years of claiming
sexual abuse,
838
01:05:05,654 --> 01:05:08,949
Corey Feldman is finally
being heard by the LAPD.
839
01:05:09,241 --> 01:05:13,829
The number one problem in
Hollywood always will be pedophilia.
840
01:05:14,287 --> 01:05:17,332
This morning, Kevin Spacey
in a drama of his own.
841
01:05:17,457 --> 01:05:21,878
The star is under fire following
allegations of sexual misconduct.
842
01:05:22,212 --> 01:05:25,674
At least 6 men accused Bryan Singer
of sexual misconduct
843
01:05:25,799 --> 01:05:27,592
spanning two decades.
844
01:05:27,717 --> 01:05:31,680
Any industry that has that much
power and is that competitive...
845
01:05:31,847 --> 01:05:35,642
After a while it starts to become
who can take the most abuse.
846
01:05:35,767 --> 01:05:38,562
Somebody's waiting in line
to take your place
847
01:05:38,687 --> 01:05:43,942
so you just start to allow yourself
to be abused in some form or another.
848
01:05:45,610 --> 01:05:49,823
Every actor is guilty of that.
They're lying if they say they're not
849
01:05:49,948 --> 01:05:54,703
because it's just part of the deal
and, unfortunately, until things change
850
01:05:54,828 --> 01:05:58,373
there's always gonna be
somebody willing to take abuse.
851
01:05:58,665 --> 01:06:00,225
And stay quiet.
852
01:06:00,375 --> 01:06:02,375
It happened to me too.
853
01:06:03,837 --> 01:06:08,258
Women are coming out and talking
about things that they've experienced
854
01:06:08,383 --> 01:06:12,220
so that young women and young boys
who are coming up in the game
855
01:06:12,387 --> 01:06:15,599
can have more awareness
that it's not just a saying,
856
01:06:15,724 --> 01:06:18,226
it is actually a reality.
857
01:06:22,731 --> 01:06:26,902
I put a gizmo watch on him
when I go, so he can call me.
858
01:06:27,027 --> 01:06:31,573
If anything happens, you hit
one button, I'm in that door.
859
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,580
I'm realistic of what really
goes on. Or can go on.
860
01:06:38,914 --> 01:06:42,417
I didn't think that
about children back then.
861
01:06:42,542 --> 01:06:48,298
Now, the Me too thing that I had
some instances like that
862
01:06:48,423 --> 01:06:50,926
that I had to say,
"Absolutely not."
863
01:06:55,263 --> 01:07:01,770
I'm grateful that Willow may not
have to come up against that as well
864
01:07:01,895 --> 01:07:05,273
because people are talking...
865
01:07:19,037 --> 01:07:21,456
Shining Time ?
What does that mean ?
866
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:25,750
Do you want me to get off here ?
867
01:07:27,379 --> 01:07:30,006
I had been burned out
on acting for a while,
868
01:07:30,173 --> 01:07:34,219
but Hollywood wasn't really
interested in me anymore either
869
01:07:34,511 --> 01:07:37,722
because I was pubescent
and deeply insecure,
870
01:07:37,931 --> 01:07:41,476
and I was not a cute teenager.
I'd been a cute kid
871
01:07:41,601 --> 01:07:45,438
and I hadn't even realized that.
I didn't like being told that,
872
01:07:45,563 --> 01:07:47,607
I thought it was condescending.
873
01:07:47,732 --> 01:07:51,695
I would self-sabotage in auditions,
I didn't want to go.
874
01:07:51,820 --> 01:07:54,656
I felt so desperately insecure.
I would look at the other girls,
875
01:07:54,781 --> 01:07:57,742
which was something
that I'd never done before.
876
01:07:58,702 --> 01:08:05,458
I'd never felt particularly great
at auditions, but now I was 16
877
01:08:06,876 --> 01:08:10,297
and I was going into rooms
where they were expecting
878
01:08:10,797 --> 01:08:13,633
an 11 year old boy to walk
through sometimes.
879
01:08:14,259 --> 01:08:18,930
I remember being
at several meetings
880
01:08:19,139 --> 01:08:21,599
and sitting in the green
room waiting,
881
01:08:22,809 --> 01:08:26,980
and seeing a producer walk out
882
01:08:28,523 --> 01:08:32,068
and try to casually take a look
883
01:08:32,777 --> 01:08:36,364
and go back and then I'd see
another producer come out...
884
01:08:37,365 --> 01:08:41,953
And then it'd be five minutes
of silence and then a receptionist
885
01:08:42,245 --> 01:08:48,209
would come and say, "I'm sorry,
they're not gonna see you today."
886
01:08:49,794 --> 01:08:52,422
And I realized quickly,
887
01:08:55,050 --> 01:09:00,305
they're not looking for teenage me,
they were looking for E.T. me.
888
01:09:02,349 --> 01:09:05,894
It's almost as though
you had ceased to be alive.
889
01:09:06,269 --> 01:09:09,647
I had the feeling
that I was a senior citizen at 15.
890
01:09:10,357 --> 01:09:13,735
And it happened to so many
of the children.
891
01:09:13,860 --> 01:09:18,281
They were adorable,
they were wanted, loved one day
892
01:09:19,032 --> 01:09:24,954
and almost the very next day, when
they were becoming full human beings,
893
01:09:25,622 --> 01:09:28,124
they were told,
you are finished.
894
01:09:28,708 --> 01:09:31,336
Congratulations,
"Jessie" is nominated.
895
01:09:31,503 --> 01:09:35,590
- You just wrapped up. How was that ?
- It was really sad.
896
01:09:36,341 --> 01:09:38,510
It was really hard saying goodbye,
897
01:09:38,635 --> 01:09:42,597
but we're all moving on to bigger
and better things, hopefully.
898
01:09:42,764 --> 01:09:45,767
It should be good for all of us,
but it's really sad
899
01:09:45,892 --> 01:09:48,186
because we all grew up
on that stage.
900
01:09:48,311 --> 01:09:52,273
I started to question everything.
When people would go,
901
01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:55,902
"Are you gonna go to college ?"
I was like, Oh, shit !
902
01:09:57,070 --> 01:09:59,572
No, I don't know, should I ?
903
01:10:00,031 --> 01:10:04,911
I'm confused.
But that's society's plan.
904
01:10:06,788 --> 01:10:10,333
My life was do two jobs at once.
School and work.
905
01:10:12,168 --> 01:10:16,297
And now college ? I don't know.
Why would I, I've made money.
906
01:10:16,506 --> 01:10:19,968
But that would be good for me,
I don't know anything about money.
907
01:10:20,135 --> 01:10:22,135
It's just a spiral of...
908
01:10:23,388 --> 01:10:30,019
What is it that I need to do
to prepare myself for the real world
909
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,565
because I wasn't living in it.
This is not real.
910
01:10:35,567 --> 01:10:38,486
I really got turned off
to the business.
911
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:44,242
When I was 16, A, I'd moved out
of my house. I was emancipated.
912
01:10:44,617 --> 01:10:47,871
My mom emancipated me
so I could work adult hours.
913
01:10:48,663 --> 01:10:52,584
You can't say anything
about what I do. I have my own money.
914
01:10:53,001 --> 01:10:55,920
I'm gonna move out.
I went and got married.
915
01:10:56,504 --> 01:11:00,091
I like full on
just kind of went crazy.
916
01:11:00,884 --> 01:11:04,846
You're in kind of a tough time.
You don't have a place to stay.
917
01:11:05,263 --> 01:11:07,474
- No.
- Where's all your stuff ?
918
01:11:07,932 --> 01:11:11,311
- It's at JFK. In storage.
- Really ?
919
01:11:11,519 --> 01:11:15,482
- Yeah, I've got about 15 boxes.
- What's in the boxes ?
920
01:11:17,150 --> 01:11:19,986
Candle sticks, books,
picture frames.
921
01:11:22,197 --> 01:11:25,700
- A lot of Carltons.
- No.
922
01:11:26,993 --> 01:11:31,247
I did feel like I had
a bad start in this industry,
923
01:11:31,414 --> 01:11:34,209
and I knew that I wanted
to be an artist,
924
01:11:34,834 --> 01:11:37,378
I knew I had a voice
and something to say.
925
01:11:38,046 --> 01:11:43,009
After I turned 18 and there were
no signs of anything slowing down
926
01:11:43,968 --> 01:11:46,971
and I had done the film "13"
when I was 14,
927
01:11:47,138 --> 01:11:53,186
on the verge of becoming a woman,
and all eyes were on me
928
01:11:54,020 --> 01:11:57,273
and there was a tremendous
amount of pressure
929
01:11:57,398 --> 01:12:00,443
of what I needed to be
in order to be successful.
930
01:12:01,236 --> 01:12:05,573
And a lot of it went against who I
really was and who I felt I really was.
931
01:12:11,371 --> 01:12:15,291
When I hit my early 20s, I just
realized I have no life skills.
932
01:12:15,959 --> 01:12:19,921
I know how to be a really successful
actor and do really great work
933
01:12:20,046 --> 01:12:21,398
and that's about it.
934
01:12:21,548 --> 01:12:25,468
And it all came crashing down on me
at once and I short circuited,
935
01:12:25,593 --> 01:12:30,306
and I also was left with the question
of is this even really who I am
936
01:12:30,431 --> 01:12:33,768
and what I want to do ?
And what happens if I walk away ?
937
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:37,605
Born after the original series
went off the air, Wil Wheaton,
938
01:12:37,730 --> 01:12:40,817
the youngest member of the cast
of "Star Trek, The Next Generation,"
939
01:12:40,942 --> 01:12:43,778
considers himself
without a doubt to be a fan.
940
01:12:44,112 --> 01:12:47,156
The people from "Star Trek"
reach out to my agent
941
01:12:47,282 --> 01:12:50,702
and she sent me on the audition
and I booked the job.
942
01:12:52,245 --> 01:12:55,665
Sir, I know this might finish me
was an acting ensign...
943
01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:57,208
Shut up, Wesley.
944
01:12:57,333 --> 01:13:01,838
What I've said would've been listened
to if it came from an adult officer.
945
01:13:01,963 --> 01:13:06,092
Generally, young men were furious
that there was another young man
946
01:13:06,217 --> 01:13:08,928
on their science
fiction television show.
947
01:13:09,053 --> 01:13:12,473
A hundred million words
have been written about that.
948
01:13:12,599 --> 01:13:16,644
It was like being told this thing
that you spend all day working on
949
01:13:16,769 --> 01:13:20,815
instead of being a kid, it doesn't
matter, and we hate you for it.
950
01:13:21,608 --> 01:13:25,528
Then I turned 18, I was an adult,
I could make my own decisions.
951
01:13:25,987 --> 01:13:29,657
And I had this revelation, I don't
have to do this if I don't want to.
952
01:13:29,782 --> 01:13:33,244
I don't have to do this thing
that means more to my mom
953
01:13:33,369 --> 01:13:37,790
than it does to me, I can go live
my life, I can be my own person.
954
01:13:38,666 --> 01:13:41,586
And I just kind of walked away.
955
01:13:42,587 --> 01:13:46,174
- What do you think of that ?
- Your mom's going to kill you.
956
01:13:46,507 --> 01:13:49,385
She hasn't been here
since I was 6.
957
01:13:50,762 --> 01:13:54,474
I understand why young people
who aren't ready for it
958
01:13:54,599 --> 01:13:58,186
and I really don't know of
a young kid who is ready for it,
959
01:13:58,311 --> 01:14:01,356
would get resentful
and get self-destructive.
960
01:14:01,481 --> 01:14:04,067
And start engaging
in dangerous behavior
961
01:14:04,192 --> 01:14:06,361
because they feel so out of control.
962
01:14:06,778 --> 01:14:08,154
I'm lookin' for a job.
963
01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:11,949
Everybody comin' in here askin' me
for a job. What am I supposed to do ?
964
01:14:12,075 --> 01:14:16,663
The transition for most kids is you
have to transition into adulthood
965
01:14:16,788 --> 01:14:18,915
and hope that you continue
to work,
966
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,419
but I made it more difficult on me
than it should have been.
967
01:14:24,170 --> 01:14:26,964
When did it start
to go sour for you ?
968
01:14:27,799 --> 01:14:32,220
It's when I lost my self-esteem
and my dignity inside of myself
969
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,515
and I lost my virtually,
I lost myself.
970
01:14:36,015 --> 01:14:40,103
- So how did you respond to it ?
- Very negatively, evidentially.
971
01:14:40,311 --> 01:14:43,481
I ended up getting myself
in a little bit of trouble.
972
01:14:43,815 --> 01:14:47,860
By using drugs and doing things
that I shouldn't have been doing.
973
01:14:48,736 --> 01:14:52,532
We, the jury, in the above entitled
action find the defendant,
974
01:14:52,740 --> 01:14:57,578
Todd Anthony Bridges, not guilty
of simple assault in violation
975
01:14:57,704 --> 01:15:00,998
of penal code section 240.
A lesser included offense
976
01:15:01,124 --> 01:15:04,419
within that charge in count one
of the information.
977
01:15:05,545 --> 01:15:09,382
Wasn't there a time where you
actually went to his house, Betty ?
978
01:15:09,507 --> 01:15:13,052
You went to his house
and you're all dressed in black ?
979
01:15:13,678 --> 01:15:16,806
And you said,
"I'm wearing black because ?"
980
01:15:17,473 --> 01:15:21,769
I know you're gonna die.
And he nailed me out of his house.
981
01:15:22,103 --> 01:15:25,231
He wouldn't let me in.
He actually took furniture
982
01:15:25,356 --> 01:15:27,442
and nailed me out of the house.
983
01:15:27,817 --> 01:15:31,070
I always thought everything
was supposed to be fair.
984
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,533
But it just wasn't and that's the thing
you learn growing up as a child
985
01:15:35,658 --> 01:15:38,953
that things aren't fair,
and it's not going to be.
986
01:15:39,704 --> 01:15:43,458
From TV star to drug addict,
it's Dana Plato's last chance.
987
01:15:43,666 --> 01:15:46,878
Just one month ago, former
"Different Strokes" star, Dana Plato,
988
01:15:47,003 --> 01:15:49,922
told us she was getting
her life back together.
989
01:15:50,047 --> 01:15:53,342
Now she's been hauled back into court
with the judge threatening
990
01:15:53,468 --> 01:15:56,429
one more mistake and
it's behind bars for good.
991
01:15:56,679 --> 01:16:01,517
Poor Dana. You get people to believe
that you just threw your life away.
992
01:16:01,684 --> 01:16:05,938
Yeah, I chose to throw my life away.
No one chooses that.
993
01:16:06,355 --> 01:16:10,109
It's a tough journey and
Dana had a hard journey.
994
01:16:12,111 --> 01:16:15,782
What can I tell you, Dana,
you're controversial, evidently.
995
01:16:15,907 --> 01:16:18,534
Are you sorry
that you were a child actress ?
996
01:16:18,659 --> 01:16:22,038
That term really bothers me.
I think a child actress is somebody
997
01:16:22,163 --> 01:16:25,124
who will only has it when
they're little and cute.
998
01:16:25,249 --> 01:16:27,418
I'm better now than I ever have been.
999
01:16:27,585 --> 01:16:30,755
I get better all the time.
The fire's still in there.
1000
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,924
- So you enjoy it.
- I'm an actress.
1001
01:16:33,132 --> 01:16:35,968
I consider myself an actor,
not a child star.
1002
01:16:36,093 --> 01:16:39,972
That really bothers me a lot.
Because I never was young and cute.
1003
01:16:40,139 --> 01:16:44,519
I get cuter as I get older maybe.
It's something that it burns within.
1004
01:16:46,145 --> 01:16:49,857
The day after this interview,
Dana died from a drug overdose.
1005
01:16:50,191 --> 01:16:52,944
We all had our share
of things we went through,
1006
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:56,489
but for Gary it was lot tougher
because he was also ill.
1007
01:16:56,614 --> 01:17:00,117
Sometimes we didn't think
he should be working at the time,
1008
01:17:00,284 --> 01:17:03,412
but you can't say what
the parents are going to do.
1009
01:17:03,704 --> 01:17:06,499
If you cared,
you wouldn't have done this.
1010
01:17:06,666 --> 01:17:10,419
I couldn't imagine being...
He had just had a kidney transplant
1011
01:17:10,545 --> 01:17:13,214
and he was back on the set
like a day later.
1012
01:17:13,381 --> 01:17:16,926
That's why for a while
he really resented the show
1013
01:17:17,176 --> 01:17:19,929
because he was made to work
and he was sick.
1014
01:17:20,847 --> 01:17:25,142
The death of a child star, Gary
Coleman, who as a boy provided
1015
01:17:25,309 --> 01:17:29,021
so much amusement, so many laughs
on the hit show, "Different Stokes",
1016
01:17:29,146 --> 01:17:31,082
died today.
1017
01:17:31,232 --> 01:17:35,653
My phone rang and I found out he had
passed away. The interesting part
1018
01:17:35,778 --> 01:17:38,698
is realizing that the person
they thought would not be here
1019
01:17:38,823 --> 01:17:42,618
is actually the last person standing,
which is kind of weird.
1020
01:17:42,952 --> 01:17:47,582
It's 7:33 now, an autopsy later today
will determine the cause of death
1021
01:17:47,707 --> 01:17:51,002
of one of Hollywood's rising
starts, River Phoenix.
1022
01:17:51,168 --> 01:17:54,672
New York Daily News quotes
a paramedic who said the actor
1023
01:17:54,797 --> 01:17:58,009
collapsed with all of the signs
of a cocaine reaction.
1024
01:17:58,301 --> 01:18:02,805
It happened outside the Viper Room,
a popular West Hollywood night spot.
1025
01:18:03,389 --> 01:18:06,642
Seizures on Sunset and Larabee.
Please, come here !
1026
01:18:06,934 --> 01:18:09,645
Calm down. What's
the address where you need us ?
1027
01:18:09,812 --> 01:18:12,857
Sunset and Larabee.
The Viper Room.
1028
01:18:13,566 --> 01:18:15,566
Went out the door
1029
01:18:16,527 --> 01:18:22,783
and the paramedics
were working on this young man
1030
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,580
and I didn't know at the time
that it was River.
1031
01:18:28,247 --> 01:18:32,084
The media wouldn't let
not only River rest,
1032
01:18:32,501 --> 01:18:34,962
but they wouldn't let
his family rest.
1033
01:18:40,843 --> 01:18:45,890
River and I were real close. He was
a year and a half older than me,
1034
01:18:46,015 --> 01:18:49,143
but he was like an older brother
who I looked up to.
1035
01:18:49,268 --> 01:18:51,771
- See ya.
- Not if I see you first.
1036
01:18:55,358 --> 01:18:58,611
I looked up to him as a person,
I looked up to him as an actor,
1037
01:18:58,736 --> 01:19:01,155
and I just treasured him
as a friend.
1038
01:19:03,824 --> 01:19:07,745
And then around the time
that I was 15 or 16,
1039
01:19:10,581 --> 01:19:13,334
he was kind of experimenting
with drugs.
1040
01:19:14,877 --> 01:19:18,214
And River and I began
to drift apart from each other
1041
01:19:19,757 --> 01:19:22,593
which really made me sad,
but I remember thinking
1042
01:19:22,802 --> 01:19:25,930
when he's done with this
we'll be friends again.
1043
01:19:27,765 --> 01:19:32,979
By the time River died, I hadn't
talked to him for a couple of years.
1044
01:19:35,272 --> 01:19:37,692
And I couldn't believe
it had happened.
1045
01:19:37,817 --> 01:19:42,947
And I was and remain so angry
at the predatory people around him
1046
01:19:43,072 --> 01:19:45,007
who didn't try to help him.
1047
01:19:45,157 --> 01:19:47,743
I know addicts are responsible
for their own behavior
1048
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:50,329
and I know that it's important
1049
01:19:50,454 --> 01:19:54,125
to hold people responsible
for the choices that they make,
1050
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:58,629
but we also need help in our lives
and we need people to look out for us
1051
01:19:58,754 --> 01:20:02,174
and I don't think there was
anybody looking out for him.
1052
01:20:06,178 --> 01:20:08,514
I think that's one of the pitfalls
1053
01:20:08,723 --> 01:20:11,809
of being a kid
in the entertainment business.
1054
01:20:11,934 --> 01:20:16,188
It's so hard to go from being
a kid actor to being an adult artist.
1055
01:20:20,067 --> 01:20:22,778
I stopped modelling,
I stopped acting,
1056
01:20:23,154 --> 01:20:25,906
I went to Europe,
I recorded a record...
1057
01:20:26,365 --> 01:20:29,076
At that time I really thought
it was music
1058
01:20:29,201 --> 01:20:31,954
that I will be able
to leave my mark on.
1059
01:20:32,788 --> 01:20:35,875
The big turning point for me
on so many levels,
1060
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,962
but especially as an actress,
because I had written it all off,
1061
01:20:40,087 --> 01:20:42,339
was getting "The Fifth Element."
1062
01:20:45,676 --> 01:20:49,388
I was 19, to access
a character like Leeloo...
1063
01:20:49,597 --> 01:20:52,141
There was no reference point.
1064
01:20:52,892 --> 01:20:56,187
She was kind of brand new
and came out of nowhere.
1065
01:20:56,937 --> 01:21:00,649
So it was like very tricky
like who is she and how to find her.
1066
01:21:03,235 --> 01:21:06,822
Of course, when I did "The Fifth
Element" it suddenly gave me
1067
01:21:06,947 --> 01:21:10,993
this feeling of control
that I had a talent
1068
01:21:11,368 --> 01:21:17,208
and that I knew how
to access it in a way.
1069
01:21:18,209 --> 01:21:21,462
And not all the time.
Sometimes more than others.
1070
01:21:21,587 --> 01:21:24,215
That's where you go through
your journey of understanding
1071
01:21:24,423 --> 01:21:27,426
what scripts speak to you
when you just feel like
1072
01:21:27,551 --> 01:21:30,513
I can do something with this,
it feels natural.
1073
01:21:30,638 --> 01:21:33,516
Or on the other hand, wow,
this feels so crazy,
1074
01:21:33,641 --> 01:21:36,977
it's a challenge. Like now,
you get excited by things
1075
01:21:37,103 --> 01:21:39,230
that you've never done before.
1076
01:21:41,107 --> 01:21:46,779
At the time, it was difficult becoming
a teenager and having that confidence.
1077
01:21:47,363 --> 01:21:52,827
I had no confidence as a teenager.
It was like a fake it 'til you make it.
1078
01:21:53,994 --> 01:21:57,540
Luc Besson said to me,
Look at it this way,
1079
01:21:57,665 --> 01:22:01,085
like your mother
is like an expert table maker,
1080
01:22:01,502 --> 01:22:07,508
she makes the most amazing tables
ever, but you make great chairs.
1081
01:22:11,345 --> 01:22:14,723
And I was like, "Yeah.
I like that. It's true."
1082
01:22:15,516 --> 01:22:20,938
And it was interesting to be able
to help me appreciate my mother,
1083
01:22:21,397 --> 01:22:24,733
but also separate and
appreciate myself, too.
1084
01:22:26,735 --> 01:22:29,613
Now with Mara Wilson,
you undoubtedly know her
1085
01:22:29,738 --> 01:22:33,075
from "Mrs.Doubtfire", "Matilda",
many other movies.
1086
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,953
She's now revealing the ups
and downs of childhood stardom
1087
01:22:36,078 --> 01:22:38,164
in her new book,
"Where Am I Now ?".
1088
01:22:38,289 --> 01:22:41,792
It wasn't really until I was in
my 20s and I was doing other things
1089
01:22:41,917 --> 01:22:44,503
that I could finally
make peace with it.
1090
01:22:44,795 --> 01:22:48,340
And eventually, I ended up
writing a book about my life.
1091
01:22:48,674 --> 01:22:51,468
I'd always known
that I wanted to do that.
1092
01:22:51,594 --> 01:22:54,180
You're thinking
about becoming a screen writer.
1093
01:22:54,305 --> 01:22:55,906
Script writer.
1094
01:22:56,056 --> 01:22:59,059
You wrote a piece that was
picked up in the Huffington Post
1095
01:22:59,226 --> 01:23:01,226
about childhood fame...
1096
01:23:01,729 --> 01:23:03,814
There's a lot
that I still want to do
1097
01:23:03,981 --> 01:23:07,401
and I'm not limiting myself
into it, but for many reasons,
1098
01:23:07,526 --> 01:23:11,697
I probably won't be a screen actor.
A big star like that ever again.
1099
01:23:12,448 --> 01:23:16,994
And I'm okay with that. I have a very
devoted fan group and that's nice.
1100
01:23:17,828 --> 01:23:21,540
I haven't done a Disney project
in over a year now.
1101
01:23:21,665 --> 01:23:25,127
The people who watch me still
a lot of times are young.
1102
01:23:25,252 --> 01:23:28,422
I still want to be a good example,
but at the same time,
1103
01:23:28,589 --> 01:23:31,008
right now I'm doing
a show about porn.
1104
01:23:31,133 --> 01:23:34,428
And I love that shit.
That's what I'm supposed to be doing.
1105
01:23:34,553 --> 01:23:36,639
I'm an actor and I want
to do cool stuff.
1106
01:23:36,764 --> 01:23:42,770
So it's a weird balance like when you
are trying to break out of something,
1107
01:23:42,895 --> 01:23:46,565
but I also feel the responsibility
of being an example for these kids.
1108
01:23:46,815 --> 01:23:48,815
I take that seriously.
1109
01:23:49,026 --> 01:23:52,238
How do I marry
what I actually want to be doing
1110
01:23:52,446 --> 01:23:56,951
with what people want to see from
me and what they expect of me ?
1111
01:23:57,743 --> 01:24:00,454
Those two things
are not the same.
1112
01:24:06,335 --> 01:24:08,796
I was bred to do this.
1113
01:24:09,505 --> 01:24:12,091
It was about good work
and working with good people.
1114
01:24:12,258 --> 01:24:16,095
It's also about talking about
something that you believed in
1115
01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:17,988
or moving people.
1116
01:24:18,138 --> 01:24:21,016
It's one of the reasons
why I did films like, "13",
1117
01:24:21,141 --> 01:24:23,894
and why my parents allowed me
to do films like that
1118
01:24:24,019 --> 01:24:27,564
because they understood the value
of showing something real
1119
01:24:27,690 --> 01:24:30,234
that a lot of people
don't want to look at.
1120
01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:33,779
That's absolutely carried over
into my activism.
1121
01:24:34,196 --> 01:24:38,492
I now recognize our first witness.
We'll go in this order. Miss Wood.
1122
01:24:38,993 --> 01:24:42,454
I'm here today as an artist, survivor,
mother and advocate to bring
1123
01:24:42,579 --> 01:24:46,375
a human voice to a population
of 25 million survivors in the US
1124
01:24:46,500 --> 01:24:49,378
who are experiencing inequality
under the law
1125
01:24:49,503 --> 01:24:52,339
and who need basic civil rights.
We need to pass
1126
01:24:52,464 --> 01:24:55,634
the sexual assault survivor
bill of rights in all 50 states.
1127
01:24:55,801 --> 01:24:58,804
We've done this in nine so far
and it's our job to make sure
1128
01:24:58,929 --> 01:25:02,683
that survivors in the remaining 41
are treated with dignity.
1129
01:25:02,808 --> 01:25:06,312
This is called progress
and it starts here. Thank you.
1130
01:25:06,770 --> 01:25:11,358
I gave up my childhood for this
industry and it wasn't my choice.
1131
01:25:12,109 --> 01:25:16,613
It is what it is. I really like
my life. I have a really good life.
1132
01:25:17,323 --> 01:25:19,366
Your friend, Wil Wheaton.
1133
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:22,161
It's my last one.
I want you to have it.
1134
01:25:24,872 --> 01:25:27,583
Look, everyone,
Wil Wheaton is my friend !
1135
01:25:28,459 --> 01:25:32,171
I have an amazing family
and I am a successful writer,
1136
01:25:33,339 --> 01:25:36,550
I'm good at being an actor,
it's not my first choice,
1137
01:25:37,134 --> 01:25:39,970
it's not what gets me out of bed.
But when someone's like,
1138
01:25:40,095 --> 01:25:43,307
"We need an actor for this,"
I'm like, "I can do that."
1139
01:25:46,101 --> 01:25:48,812
But when I tried to talk
to my parents about it
1140
01:25:48,937 --> 01:25:55,736
and tried to express how I felt
and my sense of loss
1141
01:25:56,653 --> 01:25:58,547
and express my sense
1142
01:25:58,697 --> 01:26:04,578
of not having these things
that I wanted and needed,
1143
01:26:05,079 --> 01:26:07,079
they weren't able to hear it.
1144
01:26:09,583 --> 01:26:13,379
After pilot seasons, Marc and Melanie
return home to Florida
1145
01:26:13,504 --> 01:26:15,105
without booking a job.
1146
01:26:15,255 --> 01:26:19,051
As a mother, it makes me feel like
did I not do something right ?
1147
01:26:19,176 --> 01:26:23,472
Or why didn't I think to do that
as far as Marc's career is concerned ?
1148
01:26:23,806 --> 01:26:26,850
- She always does everything right.
- Thanks.
1149
01:26:27,601 --> 01:26:32,564
To you I hope so. But it does make you
think could I have gone that extra mile
1150
01:26:32,856 --> 01:26:37,861
as a mom to maybe get him
seen by somebody ?
1151
01:26:38,445 --> 01:26:43,158
We're gonna do pilot season again next
year and depending on how that goes
1152
01:26:43,283 --> 01:26:46,745
we possibly could do
episodic season in the fall.
1153
01:26:47,454 --> 01:26:51,500
It's really more about persistence
than it is about being lucky.
1154
01:26:51,625 --> 01:26:55,129
Everybody else thinks it's lucky
until you've actually been there
1155
01:26:55,254 --> 01:27:00,050
and then it's just one really good
day after a lot of days of hard work.
1156
01:27:08,976 --> 01:27:11,603
Hello, Erin ?
Is there any homework ?
1157
01:27:13,647 --> 01:27:17,276
You said you wanted to go
to summer camp. Did you get to go ?
1158
01:27:17,443 --> 01:27:20,070
- No.
- Were you disappointed?
1159
01:27:20,279 --> 01:27:24,324
A little bit. Most of my friends
are going to sleepaway camp.
1160
01:27:25,659 --> 01:27:28,495
But I've been auditioning
over the summer.
1161
01:27:28,996 --> 01:27:32,583
I really, really want to become
a well known actress.
1162
01:27:33,667 --> 01:27:37,921
When I was little I used to want my
name on the Hollywood Walk of Fame,
1163
01:27:38,046 --> 01:27:42,468
on one of the stars, so that's
something I really want to do,
1164
01:27:42,801 --> 01:27:47,097
to become like a legacy and inspire
other people to do what they love.
1165
01:27:48,098 --> 01:27:51,560
That's my diva stream to do
something for someone else.
1166
01:27:54,605 --> 01:27:56,607
I'll face this guy.
1167
01:28:03,822 --> 01:28:09,286
If someone had told me that
my life would have been like this
1168
01:28:09,828 --> 01:28:13,540
early enough where I could have
got out, I would have got out.
1169
01:28:14,291 --> 01:28:16,793
Have a normal life and have friends.
1170
01:28:18,253 --> 01:28:21,173
It's a half kid
because I still think about that,
1171
01:28:21,298 --> 01:28:23,298
I fantasize about it.
1172
01:28:26,970 --> 01:28:32,476
I find it very scary
and I would not want my kids
1173
01:28:32,643 --> 01:28:36,438
to pursue a career as a child.
1174
01:28:38,690 --> 01:28:41,193
Because I just find so disruptive.
1175
01:28:42,110 --> 01:28:44,738
- Yes, my love ?
- My toe hurts.
1176
01:28:44,947 --> 01:28:47,157
What part of your toe hurts ?
1177
01:28:47,991 --> 01:28:52,162
My daughter, my eldest, who's now
11, when she was four years old
1178
01:28:52,829 --> 01:28:55,624
she said,
"Mommy, I want to be on TV."
1179
01:28:56,750 --> 01:28:59,962
My instincts were going,
you think you want this,
1180
01:29:00,087 --> 01:29:04,591
but if I allow you to do this,
you're not gonna like it.
1181
01:29:06,176 --> 01:29:10,847
It really is one of those things where
like she wants to be an actress
1182
01:29:10,973 --> 01:29:13,850
and I want to help her do
what she loves to do
1183
01:29:13,976 --> 01:29:17,229
because she's really got
a natural ability for it,
1184
01:29:17,563 --> 01:29:21,608
but you're young, you don't need
to do a bunch of movies right now.
1185
01:29:21,733 --> 01:29:25,028
What you need right now
is to become strong.
1186
01:29:26,697 --> 01:29:31,368
You need to be like a ship
with full sails, with a crew
1187
01:29:32,411 --> 01:29:35,831
that knows how to navigate,
I want you to be so strong.
1188
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,502
My son was in the business
originally and not anymore.
1189
01:29:40,627 --> 01:29:42,838
But it was time to get him out.
1190
01:29:43,171 --> 01:29:47,092
It's great when you're a child,
you build a nice bank account,
1191
01:29:47,217 --> 01:29:49,803
but you don't understand
this business.
1192
01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:52,639
The movie business
has been reliable and great,
1193
01:29:52,764 --> 01:29:55,892
make a lot of money
and wouldn't be talked about.
1194
01:29:56,727 --> 01:29:59,396
I feel like a role model
'cause I'm a mom...
1195
01:30:01,398 --> 01:30:05,402
You have managed to keep your son
completely off of the internet.
1196
01:30:05,527 --> 01:30:07,527
Totally absent.
1197
01:30:07,696 --> 01:30:13,160
It's been a very conscious decision.
Because of the way I was raised
1198
01:30:13,410 --> 01:30:16,997
I don't want to do anything
that he doesn't have a say in.
1199
01:30:17,122 --> 01:30:19,416
If he doesn't want his image
out there,
1200
01:30:19,541 --> 01:30:23,587
I didn't want to put it out there.
Also, there's just a lot of creeps.
1201
01:30:50,072 --> 01:30:54,284
Now as an adult and as a parent,
you look at all of the ways
1202
01:30:54,618 --> 01:30:57,454
that it takes a kid
out of their world.
1203
01:30:59,873 --> 01:31:04,503
And it's nice to be a kid
and it's nice to have a childhood
1204
01:31:05,379 --> 01:31:08,465
that's a childhood
completely unto itself.
1205
01:31:26,233 --> 01:31:29,111
On July 6th, 2019, Cameron Boyce
died in his sleep
1206
01:31:29,236 --> 01:31:31,236
from an epileptic seizure.
1207
01:31:34,199 --> 01:31:38,578
On February 24th, 2020, Diana Serra
Cary passed away at 101 years old.
1208
01:31:39,746 --> 01:31:42,416
This film is dedicated
to their memory.
1209
01:31:57,139 --> 01:32:00,809
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