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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:48,975 --> 00:00:51,077 - [Answering Machine] Two new messages. 4 00:00:51,110 --> 00:00:51,911 Message one. 5 00:00:53,180 --> 00:00:55,249 - [Bernardo] Hi, Scotty, it's Bernardo. 6 00:00:55,282 --> 00:00:56,417 I got your message. 7 00:00:56,450 --> 00:00:59,852 So call me any time you want to see me or get together. 8 00:00:59,886 --> 00:01:01,154 We look forward to seeing you. 9 00:01:03,324 --> 00:01:05,858 (birds chirping) 10 00:01:05,892 --> 00:01:07,361 - Bernardo took me shopping. 11 00:01:07,394 --> 00:01:11,130 I mean, I paid for it, but he took me shopping. (laughs) 12 00:01:11,165 --> 00:01:13,400 Bernardo insisted that I have a handkerchief 13 00:01:13,434 --> 00:01:14,501 for the pocket too. 14 00:01:17,438 --> 00:01:18,771 Jeez, I hope it fits. 15 00:01:21,874 --> 00:01:23,042 - [Matt] When was the last time Scotty 16 00:01:23,076 --> 00:01:24,143 was dressed like this? 17 00:01:25,312 --> 00:01:26,280 - When we got married. 18 00:01:26,313 --> 00:01:28,948 (Scotty laughs) 19 00:01:28,982 --> 00:01:29,816 Hey! 20 00:01:31,252 --> 00:01:33,320 ("It had to be you" instrumental) 21 00:01:33,354 --> 00:01:36,323 - [Scotty] You look so pretty, honey. 22 00:01:44,331 --> 00:01:47,033 - This is the birthday man. 23 00:01:47,066 --> 00:01:50,237 - Happy Birthday, Scotty! - He only looks a day over 50. 24 00:01:50,271 --> 00:01:55,074 ("It had to be you" instrumental) 25 00:01:55,108 --> 00:01:58,178 - [Man] Andreas, for 40 years. 26 00:01:58,212 --> 00:01:59,446 - You're looking wonderful. 27 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,248 We're talking about the Gomorrah of Hollywood. 28 00:02:01,282 --> 00:02:02,115 - Talking about what? 29 00:02:02,148 --> 00:02:05,386 - [Woman] The Gomorrah of Hollywood. 30 00:02:05,419 --> 00:02:06,253 - It's amazing! 31 00:02:06,287 --> 00:02:07,854 Can you believe it? 32 00:02:07,887 --> 00:02:09,323 - He must've lived his life in a good way, 33 00:02:09,356 --> 00:02:10,957 because look at him, and he's 90 years old. 34 00:02:10,990 --> 00:02:13,294 - I'm telling you, he worked every day of his life. 35 00:02:13,327 --> 00:02:16,363 And God knows he partied, you've read his book. 36 00:02:16,397 --> 00:02:20,567 ("It Had to be You" instrumental) 37 00:02:26,139 --> 00:02:27,508 - Are you still working? 38 00:02:27,541 --> 00:02:30,177 (laughs) We wanna know if you're still working. 39 00:02:30,210 --> 00:02:31,478 - You might say that. 40 00:02:32,613 --> 00:02:34,147 - [Man] Scotty? 41 00:02:34,181 --> 00:02:36,383 Oh, Scott, where are you? 42 00:02:36,417 --> 00:02:38,918 I think there's something with your name on it over here. 43 00:02:38,951 --> 00:02:42,423 (lively instrumental music) 44 00:02:48,061 --> 00:02:49,396 - [Crowd] Yay! 45 00:02:50,997 --> 00:02:53,334 - [Man] 90 and still going! 46 00:02:55,968 --> 00:02:57,471 - Happy birthday, Scotty. - Thank you. 47 00:02:57,504 --> 00:02:59,373 That was so nice of you. 48 00:02:59,406 --> 00:03:00,507 - It wasn't until I started working 49 00:03:00,541 --> 00:03:01,974 my book on Katharine Hepburn. 50 00:03:02,008 --> 00:03:04,244 I was talking to some of the other biographers, 51 00:03:04,278 --> 00:03:05,245 and they said to me, 52 00:03:05,279 --> 00:03:06,112 "You know, there's this character out there 53 00:03:06,145 --> 00:03:08,047 "that you really should try to talk to, 54 00:03:08,081 --> 00:03:10,217 "and his name is Scotty Bowers. 55 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:13,287 "And he had this gas station, and he, 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,154 "you know, he supplied men and women 57 00:03:15,189 --> 00:03:16,390 "to the various Hollywood stars. 58 00:03:16,423 --> 00:03:18,091 "He knew, he knows all about that era, 59 00:03:18,124 --> 00:03:20,093 "but you know, you'll never get to talk to him." 60 00:03:20,126 --> 00:03:23,197 I began to think that maybe he was an urban legend. 61 00:03:23,230 --> 00:03:25,366 (laughs) You know, that there was no Scotty Bowers. 62 00:03:25,399 --> 00:03:28,469 (lively horn music) 63 00:03:29,603 --> 00:03:31,305 - Did you have a little black book? 64 00:03:31,338 --> 00:03:32,272 - No. - No? 65 00:03:32,306 --> 00:03:34,208 You kept it all in your head? - Yes, yes. 66 00:03:34,241 --> 00:03:35,975 - Some people have described you 67 00:03:36,008 --> 00:03:37,311 as a sort of pimp to the stairs. 68 00:03:37,344 --> 00:03:38,445 - [Scotty] Oh, yes. 69 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:40,113 - [Anthony] In the book you say 70 00:03:40,146 --> 00:03:41,348 you were just trying to help people out. 71 00:03:41,382 --> 00:03:42,915 - Yes, I was. 72 00:03:42,949 --> 00:03:44,351 - [Anthony] But the risks, 73 00:03:44,385 --> 00:03:48,255 particularly for gay or bisexual actors, were serious. 74 00:03:50,123 --> 00:03:52,359 - [Scotty] I met Cary Grant first, then Randolph Scott. 75 00:03:52,393 --> 00:03:55,262 Back in those days, people knew they were lovers. 76 00:03:55,295 --> 00:03:56,463 - I've lost my clothes. 77 00:03:56,497 --> 00:03:58,699 - But why are you wearing these clothes? 78 00:03:58,732 --> 00:04:02,403 - Because I just went gay all of a sudden! 79 00:04:02,436 --> 00:04:05,572 - People are very invested in the establishment view 80 00:04:05,606 --> 00:04:08,175 of Hollywood movie star history, 81 00:04:08,208 --> 00:04:12,346 which Scotty's story re-tells in an honest way 82 00:04:12,379 --> 00:04:14,914 and in a way that's more true to what was going on. 83 00:04:16,316 --> 00:04:19,051 - [Scotty] 90% of jobs could be lost from being gay. 84 00:04:20,220 --> 00:04:21,355 You were in the closet, basically. 85 00:04:21,388 --> 00:04:22,556 So many people were. 86 00:04:22,589 --> 00:04:25,259 This is why what I did in the gas station 87 00:04:25,292 --> 00:04:27,261 was so nice for people. 88 00:04:27,294 --> 00:04:29,363 - You don't think this thing is gonna get around? 89 00:04:29,396 --> 00:04:31,465 You don't think everybody's gonna know about it? 90 00:04:31,498 --> 00:04:33,966 I won't even be able to show my face in Lindy's. 91 00:04:34,635 --> 00:04:36,068 - People get very angry at the idea 92 00:04:36,102 --> 00:04:38,172 of these beloved Hollywood icons 93 00:04:38,205 --> 00:04:40,072 being revealed to have secrets. 94 00:04:40,106 --> 00:04:42,476 But actually, all it is that Scotty is doing 95 00:04:42,509 --> 00:04:45,111 is revealing that these people were real. 96 00:04:45,144 --> 00:04:46,346 They were actual people. 97 00:04:46,380 --> 00:04:48,215 Flesh and blood, like us. 98 00:04:49,583 --> 00:04:52,118 - It turned out that Scotty was the center 99 00:04:52,151 --> 00:04:54,721 of a whole different alternate world. 100 00:04:54,755 --> 00:04:59,125 A world to which most of us had no access or knowledge. 101 00:05:00,427 --> 00:05:02,162 - It can add up to an awful lot of people, 102 00:05:02,196 --> 00:05:03,996 when you stop and think about it. 103 00:05:04,030 --> 00:05:07,434 You would say, each day, 365 days a year. 104 00:05:07,468 --> 00:05:10,170 It's certainly into the thousands. 105 00:05:10,204 --> 00:05:11,305 And it's hard to believe a lot of people 106 00:05:11,338 --> 00:05:13,507 who've only been with two or three different people 107 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:14,741 would never believe it. 108 00:05:15,576 --> 00:05:18,745 (slow dramatic music) 109 00:05:32,593 --> 00:05:35,429 (birds chirping) 110 00:05:43,770 --> 00:05:45,272 "Dear Scotty. 111 00:05:45,305 --> 00:05:46,807 "What a read, what a life. 112 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:49,209 "A group of Hollywood's best writers 113 00:05:49,243 --> 00:05:52,446 "could not have made up the life you actually lived." 114 00:05:53,647 --> 00:05:55,382 - Really gets one who doesn't like the book. 115 00:05:55,415 --> 00:05:56,783 - "I believe every word you wrote. 116 00:05:56,817 --> 00:05:58,452 "Why would you lie? 117 00:05:58,485 --> 00:06:00,787 "God, I wish I'd lived next door to you." 118 00:06:00,821 --> 00:06:02,256 - 'Cause those would be the ones 119 00:06:02,289 --> 00:06:04,758 that you would think would let him have it. 120 00:06:04,791 --> 00:06:07,394 Both girls, but not a one. 121 00:06:07,427 --> 00:06:11,498 And yet I know there are people who don't like the book. 122 00:06:11,532 --> 00:06:13,734 The lady that cuts your hair told me. 123 00:06:13,767 --> 00:06:15,435 - [Scotty] Yeah, but she's guessing. 124 00:06:15,469 --> 00:06:18,070 She doesn't know anybody-- - No, she, not guessing. 125 00:06:18,104 --> 00:06:19,473 - [Scotty] She told you there are people 126 00:06:19,506 --> 00:06:20,407 that don't like the book? 127 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:21,675 - Because it, yeah, I told you 128 00:06:21,708 --> 00:06:22,776 that you took away their dream. 129 00:06:22,809 --> 00:06:23,744 Shame on you. 130 00:06:25,412 --> 00:06:27,314 - You know, there's a new book called Full Service. 131 00:06:27,347 --> 00:06:30,217 It's written by a man who says he used to set up gay 132 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:33,320 and bisexual affairs for some of the biggest stars 133 00:06:33,353 --> 00:06:35,121 from the 1940s and beyond. 134 00:06:35,154 --> 00:06:38,292 - The point of this is, these people are now dead. 135 00:06:38,325 --> 00:06:39,593 They cannot answer. - Right. 136 00:06:39,626 --> 00:06:41,562 - Some of them have families. 137 00:06:41,595 --> 00:06:42,796 Is it right? 138 00:06:42,829 --> 00:06:44,631 Do you out people after they're dead? 139 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:45,332 - Why? 140 00:06:45,365 --> 00:06:46,166 What does it, what does it, no, 141 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:47,234 you do care because they got family. 142 00:06:47,267 --> 00:06:49,369 - The point is it's their business and not yours. 143 00:06:49,403 --> 00:06:50,370 You shouldn't out someone when they're alive 144 00:06:50,404 --> 00:06:51,738 and you shouldn't out them when they're dead. 145 00:06:51,772 --> 00:06:52,439 How's that? 146 00:06:52,472 --> 00:06:53,373 You shouldn't out them any time 147 00:06:53,407 --> 00:06:55,175 unless it's you saying it about yourself. 148 00:06:55,208 --> 00:06:56,476 - Unless they gave their permission. 149 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:58,445 - [Whoopi] Yes, yes! 150 00:07:02,449 --> 00:07:03,817 - That's kinda pretty out there. 151 00:07:03,850 --> 00:07:06,486 I mean, with the sun in the background over there. 152 00:07:07,654 --> 00:07:09,623 Jesus, look at that beautiful rainbow. 153 00:07:10,691 --> 00:07:11,892 I created the rainbow in Hollywood. 154 00:07:11,925 --> 00:07:16,630 The Rainbow is at 5777 Hollywood Boulevard called Richfield, 155 00:07:16,663 --> 00:07:18,332 and that was a rainbow, 156 00:07:18,365 --> 00:07:21,234 that was the fuckin' end of a rainbow for a lot of people. 157 00:07:21,268 --> 00:07:23,804 I mean, it's hard to believe unless you were there, 158 00:07:23,837 --> 00:07:26,440 how much fun that gas station was. 159 00:07:26,473 --> 00:07:27,908 People disappearing up in the trailer 160 00:07:27,941 --> 00:07:29,810 and going in the washroom and doing this and that. 161 00:07:29,843 --> 00:07:32,279 The whole thing was fun. (laughs) 162 00:07:32,312 --> 00:07:35,549 (soft piano music) 163 00:07:35,582 --> 00:07:37,651 5777 Hollywood Boulevard. 164 00:07:39,886 --> 00:07:42,489 And the streetcar used to go along Hollywood Boulevard, 165 00:07:42,522 --> 00:07:43,557 ding, ding, ding, and stop right there 166 00:07:43,590 --> 00:07:46,360 in front of the gas station, which was very nice. 167 00:07:48,228 --> 00:07:49,429 Where the gas station was 168 00:07:49,463 --> 00:07:51,865 is a huge three-story firehouse there now. 169 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,268 Now, see, that's their property, came right to here, 170 00:07:55,302 --> 00:07:56,737 went straight back to that corner and down. 171 00:07:56,770 --> 00:07:57,938 And the gas station was a little thing, 172 00:07:57,971 --> 00:07:59,873 it was no higher where, where, 173 00:07:59,906 --> 00:08:02,409 than those letters that say fire station. 174 00:08:02,442 --> 00:08:04,378 It's so completely different now 175 00:08:04,411 --> 00:08:08,281 that it's hard to believe what it was then. 176 00:08:08,315 --> 00:08:11,318 (lively jazz music) 177 00:08:14,888 --> 00:08:17,257 That period of time after World War II, 178 00:08:17,290 --> 00:08:20,694 that was quite a different time, never to be repeated. 179 00:08:21,862 --> 00:08:23,630 Remember, had the war not come along, 180 00:08:23,664 --> 00:08:25,766 people lived on the farm and still be on the farm, 181 00:08:25,799 --> 00:08:26,900 like myself. 182 00:08:28,568 --> 00:08:30,504 I went in the Marine Corps when I was 18. 183 00:08:30,537 --> 00:08:33,740 My brother went in the Marine Corps two years after I did. 184 00:08:33,774 --> 00:08:37,811 I was in '42, '43, '44, and most of '45. 185 00:08:37,844 --> 00:08:41,448 (slow soft music) 186 00:08:41,481 --> 00:08:43,950 When you're overseas, you're a long ways away, 187 00:08:46,687 --> 00:08:49,356 and how many guys get killed every day, 188 00:08:50,791 --> 00:08:52,759 and you're burying people all the time. 189 00:08:53,627 --> 00:08:56,630 (slow soft music) 190 00:08:56,663 --> 00:09:00,801 You think, you do think you're never gonna get back home. 191 00:09:02,436 --> 00:09:04,471 (crowd cheering) 192 00:09:04,504 --> 00:09:06,873 When the war was over in '45, many guys, 193 00:09:06,907 --> 00:09:08,575 when they got out of the service, 194 00:09:08,608 --> 00:09:11,445 they went back home again to the little town, to the farm. 195 00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:17,551 I upgraded myself and went to Hollywood. (laughs) 196 00:09:17,584 --> 00:09:19,753 (slow soft orchestral music) 197 00:09:19,786 --> 00:09:21,888 I went and got the job at the gas station. 198 00:09:23,023 --> 00:09:25,692 (bell dings) 199 00:09:25,726 --> 00:09:29,396 The very first person I met at the gas station 200 00:09:29,429 --> 00:09:30,363 was Walter Pidgeon. 201 00:09:31,732 --> 00:09:33,767 It happened purely accidental. 202 00:09:34,935 --> 00:09:37,671 He drove in, in a nice Lincoln Continental. 203 00:09:37,704 --> 00:09:40,874 It was a hot day, and he was a real gentleman. 204 00:09:43,477 --> 00:09:45,645 - [Matt] Did you know who he was? 205 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:46,680 - [Scotty] Not really. 206 00:09:46,713 --> 00:09:48,515 I just thought he was a nice guy. 207 00:09:51,918 --> 00:09:53,954 He said, "What is a nice-looking guy like you 208 00:09:53,987 --> 00:09:55,655 "doing working in the gas station?" 209 00:09:55,689 --> 00:09:58,291 That type of thing. (laughs) 210 00:09:58,325 --> 00:10:00,761 "It'd be nice to have you come and take a dip in the pool," 211 00:10:00,794 --> 00:10:01,928 and things like that. 212 00:10:01,962 --> 00:10:04,297 I got into the car and left with him. 213 00:10:04,331 --> 00:10:07,667 (slow soft jazz music) 214 00:10:10,871 --> 00:10:12,939 - [Matt] That day at the pool, what happened? 215 00:10:12,973 --> 00:10:14,374 - [Scotty] Well, you know, you're, you're there, 216 00:10:14,407 --> 00:10:16,476 and pretty soon, one person's touching. 217 00:10:19,613 --> 00:10:21,748 Things just automatically kind of happened. 218 00:10:22,783 --> 00:10:24,684 - You look at how he stumbled into this, 219 00:10:24,718 --> 00:10:26,853 and literally, he did stumble. 220 00:10:26,887 --> 00:10:28,421 But then, the key fact there is 221 00:10:28,455 --> 00:10:30,991 that there was a whole network of folks, 222 00:10:31,024 --> 00:10:35,562 certainly the set designers, the hairdressers. 223 00:10:35,595 --> 00:10:39,332 They were waiting for someone like Scotty to come along. 224 00:10:40,467 --> 00:10:42,068 - [Scotty] Edwin B. Willis, 225 00:10:42,102 --> 00:10:45,505 the number-one set decorator at MGM. 226 00:10:45,539 --> 00:10:47,107 Every picture that came out of MGM, it said, 227 00:10:47,140 --> 00:10:49,509 "Set Decoration by Edwin B. Willis." 228 00:10:50,443 --> 00:10:51,578 All of a sudden, Edwin called me 229 00:10:51,611 --> 00:10:53,780 and says so-and-so is coming to the station, so-and-so, 230 00:10:53,814 --> 00:10:55,415 and this happened in a matter of days. 231 00:10:55,448 --> 00:10:58,652 And then, word of mouth, everything flows automatically. 232 00:10:59,820 --> 00:11:01,855 You couldn't believe how busy I was. 233 00:11:03,690 --> 00:11:05,091 I needed help. 234 00:11:05,125 --> 00:11:07,894 (lively upbeat jazz music) 235 00:11:07,928 --> 00:11:09,029 There's a place on Sunset 236 00:11:09,062 --> 00:11:10,697 called The Crossroads of the World. 237 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:12,465 And there were women, voluntarily worked down there 238 00:11:12,499 --> 00:11:13,867 that would take messages. 239 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:16,703 I left a number there and the guys picked it up, 240 00:11:16,736 --> 00:11:18,672 and pretty soon, I had about 20 guys 241 00:11:18,705 --> 00:11:20,607 hanging around the gas station, very soon. 242 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,708 And these were guys who just got 243 00:11:21,741 --> 00:11:24,711 out of the Marine Corps too, and didn't have a dime. 244 00:11:26,112 --> 00:11:29,049 Somebody I knew would come in to the gas station and say, 245 00:11:29,082 --> 00:11:32,819 "Jeez, I'd love to take that nice-looking guy to dinner." 246 00:11:32,853 --> 00:11:34,855 I'd say, "For 20 bucks, you can suck his cock now 247 00:11:34,888 --> 00:11:36,890 "and forget the goddamn dinner." 248 00:11:36,923 --> 00:11:39,059 You know, everything was $20 bucks. 249 00:11:39,092 --> 00:11:40,527 I would say to my friends, 250 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:41,728 "I'm gonna fix you up with a trick, 251 00:11:41,761 --> 00:11:44,898 "and all the guy's gonna do is take and suck your cock, 252 00:11:44,931 --> 00:11:48,468 "and it's the same as if your girl was sucking your cock. 253 00:11:48,501 --> 00:11:49,703 "If you wanna close your eyes 254 00:11:49,736 --> 00:11:51,104 "and think it's her sucking your cock, do." 255 00:11:51,137 --> 00:11:52,873 "Okay, I'll do it once." 256 00:11:52,906 --> 00:11:54,908 Well, once, twice, you know. (laughs) 257 00:11:54,941 --> 00:11:58,044 ♪ When the world should all be sleepin' ♪ 258 00:11:58,078 --> 00:12:00,780 ♪ And the melody comes creepin' ♪ 259 00:12:00,814 --> 00:12:03,550 - [Scotty] I was fixing every bit of 20 people a night 260 00:12:03,583 --> 00:12:05,652 up at the gas station, seven nights a week. 261 00:12:06,853 --> 00:12:09,890 Behind the gas station I had this huge house trailer. 262 00:12:09,923 --> 00:12:11,192 Now the guy that left it 263 00:12:11,225 --> 00:12:12,859 gave me $50 a month to park it there. 264 00:12:12,893 --> 00:12:15,162 And he said, "Use it any time you want." 265 00:12:15,196 --> 00:12:16,796 ♪ It's no cabaret 266 00:12:16,830 --> 00:12:18,798 - [Scotty] And you entered from the center. 267 00:12:18,832 --> 00:12:20,167 Up here was a king-size bed 268 00:12:20,201 --> 00:12:21,635 and over here was a king-size bed 269 00:12:21,668 --> 00:12:24,704 and they had a drape that could separate it. 270 00:12:24,738 --> 00:12:26,907 Son of a bitch, I had that going night and day, you know. 271 00:12:26,940 --> 00:12:29,442 (upbeat jazz music) 272 00:12:29,476 --> 00:12:30,911 And then a friend of mine, an old queen, 273 00:12:30,944 --> 00:12:32,746 ran a motel right across the street. 274 00:12:33,914 --> 00:12:35,715 He would call me and say, 275 00:12:35,749 --> 00:12:38,785 "I have six, seven, eight, 12, and 14 vacant. 276 00:12:38,818 --> 00:12:39,619 "The door's open. 277 00:12:39,653 --> 00:12:40,854 "Just go right in. 278 00:12:40,887 --> 00:12:42,923 "Five bucks, do you get what I mean?" 279 00:12:42,956 --> 00:12:46,026 (upbeat jazz music) 280 00:12:46,059 --> 00:12:48,061 A lot of people liked the bathroom thing. 281 00:12:48,094 --> 00:12:49,896 It had a little hole, a quarter-inch hole, 282 00:12:49,930 --> 00:12:52,966 and I had that directly underneath the toilet paper. 283 00:12:52,999 --> 00:12:54,701 You would lay on the air compressor, 284 00:12:54,734 --> 00:12:56,903 put your eye up against the thing, and watch the washroom. 285 00:12:58,605 --> 00:13:00,640 So I had people in there, and I had people watching 286 00:13:00,674 --> 00:13:01,942 and the whole bit, you get what I mean? 287 00:13:01,975 --> 00:13:04,844 That's what you call business, baby. (laughs) 288 00:13:04,878 --> 00:13:07,881 (upbeat jazz music) 289 00:13:15,055 --> 00:13:16,589 (men laughing) 290 00:13:16,623 --> 00:13:18,491 Good to see ya. 291 00:13:18,525 --> 00:13:19,659 You sweet little baby, you. 292 00:13:19,693 --> 00:13:21,728 - Oh, I've been trying to get you over here for years. 293 00:13:21,761 --> 00:13:22,929 - [Scotty] You've been so nice. 294 00:13:22,963 --> 00:13:26,099 - I told Scotty he was so well-organized in those days. 295 00:13:26,132 --> 00:13:30,237 I said if you'd been in the business world instead of here, 296 00:13:30,271 --> 00:13:33,073 you would've ended up as chairman of General Motors. 297 00:13:34,774 --> 00:13:36,109 - (laughs) You sweetheart, Jack. 298 00:13:37,043 --> 00:13:39,012 Jack was a young trick of mine. 299 00:13:39,045 --> 00:13:40,947 - You picked me up in Acapulco. 300 00:13:40,981 --> 00:13:42,082 - That, that's right. 301 00:13:42,115 --> 00:13:43,284 We met in Acapulco. - Acapulco. 302 00:13:43,317 --> 00:13:45,219 - Son of a bitch, that's right. (laughs) 303 00:13:45,252 --> 00:13:46,886 - [Jack] Where did those years go? 304 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:47,821 - [Scotty] Jesus, I don't know. 305 00:13:47,854 --> 00:13:50,056 Those years slipped by, Jack, so quick. 306 00:13:51,791 --> 00:13:53,260 - This, this was a book you had to write. 307 00:13:53,294 --> 00:13:55,196 But everyone trusted you. 308 00:13:55,229 --> 00:13:57,897 Did, did anyone ever bother saying to you, you know, 309 00:13:57,931 --> 00:14:00,066 "You would never betray me, would you?" 310 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:00,967 I mean-- 311 00:14:01,001 --> 00:14:03,270 - That's why, when everyone was living, 312 00:14:03,304 --> 00:14:05,939 I would never even think, under any circumstances, 313 00:14:05,972 --> 00:14:08,141 no god-damned dime, and no matter what anyone offered me, 314 00:14:08,175 --> 00:14:10,143 I wouldn't write a book then. 315 00:14:10,177 --> 00:14:15,182 (people chattering) (cameras clicking) 316 00:14:21,688 --> 00:14:23,590 - All those people. - Ya. 317 00:14:23,623 --> 00:14:25,992 - Don't you think you misled their trust 318 00:14:26,026 --> 00:14:27,761 by writing a tell-all book? 319 00:14:27,794 --> 00:14:30,964 - A lot of people at the time knew what, 320 00:14:30,997 --> 00:14:33,566 who these people were and what they were, 321 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,269 so it's not a secret, really. 322 00:14:35,302 --> 00:14:39,105 It may be a secret to some square that lives in Illinois, 323 00:14:39,139 --> 00:14:42,842 but people who lived in Hollywood, they knew these people. 324 00:14:42,876 --> 00:14:44,644 - Yeah, but you, but for their fans, 325 00:14:44,677 --> 00:14:45,845 I mean, like if they had a grand kid, 326 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:48,915 the grand kid remembers, "Oh no, my grandfather was gay," 327 00:14:48,948 --> 00:14:50,016 or whatever like that. 328 00:14:50,050 --> 00:14:51,985 - What's wrong with, what's wrong with being gay? 329 00:14:52,018 --> 00:14:53,820 So, but thanks anyhow. 330 00:14:53,853 --> 00:14:54,954 - [Man] Okay, that's just my feedback. 331 00:14:54,988 --> 00:14:56,856 - No, I can, I can see it. 332 00:14:56,890 --> 00:14:57,690 Thank you. 333 00:14:57,724 --> 00:14:58,758 Thank you. 334 00:14:58,792 --> 00:15:00,860 I did the book just to show some of these people 335 00:15:00,894 --> 00:15:03,063 that people are still people. 336 00:15:03,096 --> 00:15:05,166 But some of these squares think oh my God, 337 00:15:05,199 --> 00:15:07,934 you're weird, you're different, you know. 338 00:15:07,967 --> 00:15:09,135 Like, ladies would say to me, 339 00:15:09,170 --> 00:15:10,070 "Just what are you?" 340 00:15:10,103 --> 00:15:11,238 I said, "I'm everything." 341 00:15:11,272 --> 00:15:12,972 (man laughs) 342 00:15:13,006 --> 00:15:14,007 - [Woman] Thank you. 343 00:15:15,675 --> 00:15:17,143 - [Photographer] One more, one more. 344 00:15:17,178 --> 00:15:17,977 There we go. 345 00:15:18,011 --> 00:15:19,180 (men laughing) 346 00:15:19,213 --> 00:15:21,315 - Just Hollywood trash, Scotty. 347 00:15:21,348 --> 00:15:23,683 You and I traveled on the same highways 348 00:15:23,716 --> 00:15:25,819 and low life, and the alleyways. 349 00:15:25,852 --> 00:15:26,920 - [Scotty] That's right. 350 00:15:26,953 --> 00:15:29,223 - You know I worked for George Cukor for two years. 351 00:15:29,256 --> 00:15:32,326 And, and Katharine Hepburn lived down in the guesthouse. 352 00:15:32,359 --> 00:15:35,695 You know, she would come up, "George, George! 353 00:15:35,728 --> 00:15:39,366 "I hope you're not up there spilling the beans about us, 354 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,169 "telling, telling the truth! 355 00:15:42,203 --> 00:15:45,105 "We've been in the closet for 40 years, 356 00:15:45,138 --> 00:15:46,906 "and don't, don't you," and, you know, 357 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:48,242 finally we had to cancel the book, 358 00:15:48,275 --> 00:15:49,876 and he, George hated it. 359 00:15:49,909 --> 00:15:52,946 George had to give back a $75,000 advance. 360 00:15:52,979 --> 00:15:54,215 That nearly killed him. 361 00:15:55,382 --> 00:15:57,083 - [Narrator] George Cukor has been the center 362 00:15:57,117 --> 00:15:59,085 of more controversies than any other director 363 00:15:59,119 --> 00:16:00,954 in the history of Hollywood. 364 00:16:00,987 --> 00:16:02,356 He's not only directed a string 365 00:16:02,389 --> 00:16:05,192 of highly successful pictures like Little Women, 366 00:16:05,226 --> 00:16:07,660 Philadelphia Story, and Adam's Rib, 367 00:16:07,694 --> 00:16:09,996 but he's also been fired from quite a few, 368 00:16:10,029 --> 00:16:11,332 including Gone with the Wind. 369 00:16:12,299 --> 00:16:13,867 (slow soft bass music) 370 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:16,270 - [Scotty] I met George in 1947. 371 00:16:16,303 --> 00:16:19,706 George came in the gas station in his new black Dodge Sedan, 372 00:16:19,739 --> 00:16:22,209 introduced himself, and invited me up to the house. 373 00:16:23,410 --> 00:16:25,179 Within a few days I was up here. 374 00:16:25,212 --> 00:16:27,214 He almost came on like Walter Pidgeon. 375 00:16:27,248 --> 00:16:29,816 "It's a hot day. I'd love to have you come up, 376 00:16:29,849 --> 00:16:32,852 "take a dip in my pool, and cool off," and things like that. 377 00:16:34,188 --> 00:16:36,055 - [Narrator] George Cukor has never married, 378 00:16:36,089 --> 00:16:39,025 but lives alone in a palatial home in Beverly Hills, 379 00:16:39,058 --> 00:16:42,196 a house which has seven living rooms and only one bedroom. 380 00:16:44,731 --> 00:16:46,799 - George Cukor was, really one of the arbiters 381 00:16:46,833 --> 00:16:48,067 of Hollywood society. 382 00:16:48,101 --> 00:16:50,770 He was someone who had the greatest parties, 383 00:16:50,803 --> 00:16:52,373 he, he knew everyone. 384 00:16:52,406 --> 00:16:56,009 (soft orchestral music) 385 00:16:57,211 --> 00:17:00,079 - On Saturday nights, there were like the great, 386 00:17:00,113 --> 00:17:03,284 elegant soirees with the kings and queens of Hollywood: 387 00:17:04,817 --> 00:17:06,287 Vivien Leigh, Laurence Olivier, 388 00:17:07,854 --> 00:17:08,688 Garbo. 389 00:17:10,123 --> 00:17:14,027 Sunday afternoons around the pool was brunch 390 00:17:14,060 --> 00:17:18,232 with 10, 12, 15 of the most beautiful men in Hollywood. 391 00:17:20,301 --> 00:17:22,969 Scotty Bowers would always provide new talent. 392 00:17:27,208 --> 00:17:30,143 - George Cukor was the epicenter for gay Hollywood 393 00:17:30,177 --> 00:17:32,145 in the '30s, '40s, and '50s. 394 00:17:32,179 --> 00:17:35,282 If George gave his seal of approval to someone, 395 00:17:35,316 --> 00:17:38,051 the rest of the community looked on with favor. 396 00:17:38,084 --> 00:17:40,287 George respected Scotty. 397 00:17:40,321 --> 00:17:44,225 He wasn't simply this Madam Cukor called for events, 398 00:17:44,258 --> 00:17:46,460 he was also a friend of George Cukor's, 399 00:17:46,493 --> 00:17:50,797 and Scotty became friends with many of Cukor's friends. 400 00:17:50,830 --> 00:17:53,766 (soft piano music) 401 00:17:55,101 --> 00:17:57,937 (birds chirping) 402 00:18:09,148 --> 00:18:10,251 - [Scotty] That son of a bitch 403 00:18:10,284 --> 00:18:12,018 is loaded with stuff in there, wow! 404 00:18:12,051 --> 00:18:14,221 (laughs) 405 00:18:14,255 --> 00:18:16,789 - [Matt] How many garages like this do you have? 406 00:18:17,558 --> 00:18:20,194 - Let's see, I have one, 407 00:18:20,227 --> 00:18:21,495 two, 408 00:18:21,528 --> 00:18:23,997 three, four, about five 409 00:18:24,998 --> 00:18:25,832 full. 410 00:18:27,234 --> 00:18:30,404 I started this, Jesus, 25 years ago, I guess. 411 00:18:30,437 --> 00:18:31,838 And I kept packing in, packing in 412 00:18:31,871 --> 00:18:34,007 until you couldn't even move anything. 413 00:18:35,041 --> 00:18:37,877 (birds chirping) 414 00:18:41,382 --> 00:18:42,915 The pictures should be in here. 415 00:18:54,228 --> 00:18:56,563 These were all the guys from the gas station. 416 00:18:56,597 --> 00:18:59,600 All clean-cut, nice-looking guys, aren't they? 417 00:18:59,633 --> 00:19:01,435 - [Matt] When was the last time you saw those photos? 418 00:19:03,002 --> 00:19:07,140 - Uh, about the time they were taken. (laughs) 419 00:19:07,174 --> 00:19:08,309 But I haven't seen them since then. 420 00:19:08,342 --> 00:19:10,411 I forgot about them completely. 421 00:19:10,444 --> 00:19:12,212 Every one of these guys, including the girl, 422 00:19:12,246 --> 00:19:15,282 were all hustlers, every one of them. (laughs) 423 00:19:15,316 --> 00:19:18,951 (steady jazz music) 424 00:19:18,985 --> 00:19:22,356 Ronnie Stinson was my buddy from Regina, Saskatchewan. 425 00:19:22,389 --> 00:19:24,525 One of my number one guys, Ronnie was. 426 00:19:26,159 --> 00:19:29,496 Bob Atkinson had a big prick, and Bob was out of the Navy. 427 00:19:31,064 --> 00:19:33,099 He had a nice rugged look about him, looked like a cowboy, 428 00:19:33,132 --> 00:19:34,168 you know, that type of thing. 429 00:19:35,968 --> 00:19:38,305 Georgie Fargo from Chicago, put him on a few tricks, 430 00:19:38,339 --> 00:19:39,239 he wasn't great. 431 00:19:39,273 --> 00:19:40,607 His heart wasn't in it. 432 00:19:40,641 --> 00:19:42,343 One day, I introduced him to Clint Eastwood, 433 00:19:42,376 --> 00:19:44,178 and he and Clint were buddy-buddy, 434 00:19:44,211 --> 00:19:47,348 and, and Clint got him a part in pictures. 435 00:19:47,381 --> 00:19:51,150 And Lee was a pretty, little, 21-year-old boy 436 00:19:51,185 --> 00:19:55,422 that every fucking queen in Hollywood was hot for. (laughs) 437 00:19:55,456 --> 00:19:57,257 - [Matt] Are any of these guys still alive? 438 00:19:57,291 --> 00:19:59,058 - Some of them are still living. 439 00:19:59,092 --> 00:20:01,994 Lee, Lee's old, but he's still around. 440 00:20:03,364 --> 00:20:06,233 (Scotty laughs) 441 00:20:07,368 --> 00:20:08,402 Hello, baby. 442 00:20:11,003 --> 00:20:13,106 When I think of Lee, I can only think of nice things, 443 00:20:13,139 --> 00:20:15,074 and a smile comes on my face, 444 00:20:15,108 --> 00:20:17,611 because here we are back together. 445 00:20:17,644 --> 00:20:20,214 It was a cool little car, that little '55 way back. 446 00:20:20,247 --> 00:20:22,349 - [Matt] Some people don't believe the book. 447 00:20:22,383 --> 00:20:23,584 What do you say to those people? 448 00:20:23,617 --> 00:20:26,353 - I showed it to a friend of mine. 449 00:20:26,387 --> 00:20:27,987 He thought it was trash. 450 00:20:29,323 --> 00:20:31,291 I said, "Well, it's, maybe, that's your opinion, 451 00:20:32,326 --> 00:20:33,494 "but it's all true." 452 00:20:35,295 --> 00:20:37,431 - [Matt] About what year did Lee show up at the gas station? 453 00:20:38,298 --> 00:20:39,500 - 1951. 454 00:20:41,468 --> 00:20:43,604 I came into Hollywood. 455 00:20:43,637 --> 00:20:46,939 I saw this sign on a glass window and it said, 456 00:20:46,973 --> 00:20:48,175 "Are you looking for employ?" 457 00:20:48,208 --> 00:20:49,976 I said yes, so he hired me right there. 458 00:20:50,009 --> 00:20:51,245 - [Scotty] Right then and there. 459 00:20:51,278 --> 00:20:53,012 The moment he walked in, he was on his, 460 00:20:53,045 --> 00:20:55,249 he was on his first trick, right, within a, 461 00:20:55,282 --> 00:20:57,584 within an hour. (laughs) 462 00:20:58,685 --> 00:21:00,254 - Customers please, Scott. 463 00:21:01,522 --> 00:21:05,459 - I must have given you this card 60 years ago, right? 464 00:21:05,492 --> 00:21:09,396 These are basically business people out of New York. 465 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:11,632 Don't forget, I was fixing an awful lot of people up 466 00:21:11,665 --> 00:21:13,467 that weren't famous, too. 467 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:14,468 This is just a backup. 468 00:21:14,501 --> 00:21:16,035 So when you go to New York, 469 00:21:16,068 --> 00:21:17,237 in case something happens with the deal you got, 470 00:21:17,271 --> 00:21:19,740 you got somethin' to fall back on for a ticket back home, 471 00:21:19,773 --> 00:21:20,574 you know? 472 00:21:20,607 --> 00:21:21,508 What the hell. 473 00:21:21,542 --> 00:21:23,177 - Well, this is a program 474 00:21:24,344 --> 00:21:27,013 from a Shakespeare's Memorial Theater. 475 00:21:27,046 --> 00:21:28,147 Charlie autographed it for me. 476 00:21:28,182 --> 00:21:30,451 He said, "Lee, to Lee, who bawled the hell out of me 477 00:21:30,484 --> 00:21:32,352 "until I did this. 478 00:21:32,386 --> 00:21:34,421 "Gratefully, Charles Laughton." 479 00:21:34,455 --> 00:21:35,456 That's Charlie here, 480 00:21:36,623 --> 00:21:37,424 King Lear. 481 00:21:38,592 --> 00:21:40,427 - Lee was Charles Laughton's favorite, 482 00:21:40,461 --> 00:21:43,230 and Charles loved Lee, really he did. 483 00:21:43,263 --> 00:21:45,299 - [Lee] Charlie, he was a beautiful man. 484 00:21:45,332 --> 00:21:46,233 He really was. 485 00:21:46,266 --> 00:21:47,401 - [Woman] Hello, Charles. 486 00:21:47,434 --> 00:21:48,435 How are you? - Hello, gentlemen. 487 00:21:48,469 --> 00:21:49,703 - How do you do? - Hello, Elsie. 488 00:21:49,736 --> 00:21:51,438 - [Lee] And whenever he had problems with Elsie, 489 00:21:51,472 --> 00:21:54,073 he'd call me up and we'd go have dinner some place. 490 00:21:54,106 --> 00:21:55,509 - Hello, come on in. - Come on. 491 00:21:55,542 --> 00:21:57,511 - [Lee] I was a good listener. 492 00:21:57,544 --> 00:22:00,447 - [Matt] What did Charles like to do sexually? 493 00:22:00,481 --> 00:22:03,517 - He just likes to suck cock. (laughs) 494 00:22:03,550 --> 00:22:04,384 - That's right. 495 00:22:04,418 --> 00:22:07,421 (lively jazz music) 496 00:22:10,290 --> 00:22:12,326 Charles Laughton and I were very close from, 497 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,628 way back from World War II and up until he died. 498 00:22:16,663 --> 00:22:19,566 I saw him myself and fixed him up with tricks. 499 00:22:22,636 --> 00:22:24,671 Charles was going to England, I drove him to the airport. 500 00:22:24,705 --> 00:22:26,440 And Charles, he gave me an envelope 501 00:22:26,473 --> 00:22:28,375 and I looked at it later, it was a thousand dollars. 502 00:22:28,408 --> 00:22:31,278 It's ten $100 bills that he gave to me. 503 00:22:32,412 --> 00:22:34,481 That's just being, being nice, you know. 504 00:22:34,515 --> 00:22:37,451 I certainly didn't ever ask for it. 505 00:22:37,484 --> 00:22:40,687 (lively upbeat jazz music) 506 00:22:40,721 --> 00:22:43,457 The world was different then than it is now. 507 00:22:48,629 --> 00:22:51,465 (birds chirping) 508 00:23:02,576 --> 00:23:03,610 You know, every four or five days 509 00:23:03,644 --> 00:23:05,412 you gotta run this up, you know. 510 00:23:06,179 --> 00:23:08,649 (clock winding) 511 00:23:09,816 --> 00:23:12,452 This is a little house that I paid $22,000 for, 512 00:23:12,486 --> 00:23:14,755 about 52 years ago. 513 00:23:14,788 --> 00:23:18,358 $22,000 for the house in $20 bills. 514 00:23:19,526 --> 00:23:23,129 You know, those $20 add up quick. (laughs) 515 00:23:24,498 --> 00:23:27,200 There are some pretty things in here, you know, but... 516 00:23:28,869 --> 00:23:30,404 Underneath it all, I meant. 517 00:23:32,506 --> 00:23:33,373 I lived here with Bette 518 00:23:33,407 --> 00:23:37,143 for just a dash over 50 years, I guess. 519 00:23:37,177 --> 00:23:38,845 Bette was my first wife. 520 00:23:38,879 --> 00:23:40,814 You might say that we were common-law. 521 00:23:40,847 --> 00:23:42,816 We never really married. 522 00:23:44,418 --> 00:23:46,753 And, and as many years as I've been here, 523 00:23:46,787 --> 00:23:50,257 I rarely ever stayed here, considering my work. 524 00:23:51,525 --> 00:23:53,560 There were some years I might be here one 525 00:23:53,594 --> 00:23:55,495 and two nights in a year. 526 00:23:58,665 --> 00:24:01,335 There are some nice little goodies in here. 527 00:24:01,368 --> 00:24:03,770 These are, these things in the house are called goodies. 528 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,343 Bette had it very nice, really, she did. 529 00:24:09,376 --> 00:24:10,377 It's me that fucked it up. 530 00:24:13,547 --> 00:24:15,649 And then that's Donna when she was a little girl 531 00:24:15,682 --> 00:24:17,384 that a friend of mine painted. 532 00:24:21,388 --> 00:24:22,656 I'm rarely here. 533 00:24:22,689 --> 00:24:24,591 I come up, get the mail, get some phone calls and, 534 00:24:24,625 --> 00:24:27,561 and other than that, I don't even come here. 535 00:24:27,594 --> 00:24:28,929 - [Answering Machine] Message two. 536 00:24:28,962 --> 00:24:31,198 - [Gerard] Hey, Scotty, it's Gerard from Book Soup. 537 00:24:31,231 --> 00:24:32,599 We were wondering if you could come in 538 00:24:32,633 --> 00:24:35,302 and sign some books for us when you get a chance. 539 00:24:36,336 --> 00:24:37,170 Thanks. 540 00:24:39,439 --> 00:24:42,275 (birds chirping) 541 00:24:43,443 --> 00:24:44,945 - [Man] West Hollywood Book Fair this weekend, 542 00:24:44,978 --> 00:24:48,548 so we wanted to take some signed stock back. 543 00:24:48,582 --> 00:24:51,718 (woman chattering) 544 00:24:57,958 --> 00:25:00,159 - Boy, they have a book on everything here. 545 00:25:00,827 --> 00:25:02,763 Randolph Scott, Cary Grant. 546 00:25:02,796 --> 00:25:04,498 What was so funny is they, 547 00:25:04,531 --> 00:25:06,767 they lived right behind the Chateau Marmont there. 548 00:25:07,634 --> 00:25:09,503 And they lived at the beach too, 549 00:25:09,536 --> 00:25:11,938 they lived right at Santa Monica Beach. 550 00:25:11,972 --> 00:25:13,240 And they lived together, of course, 551 00:25:13,273 --> 00:25:14,341 people said they were roommates. 552 00:25:14,374 --> 00:25:15,509 Okay, we're roommates. 553 00:25:15,542 --> 00:25:18,745 I mean lot of people who are lovers are roommates too. 554 00:25:18,779 --> 00:25:20,814 - Well, I feel it's about time for a dip. 555 00:25:23,717 --> 00:25:27,654 (lighthearted orchestral music) 556 00:25:27,688 --> 00:25:30,724 - Young man, is that Johnny Weissmuller? 557 00:25:30,757 --> 00:25:32,626 - No, I wish it were. 558 00:25:32,659 --> 00:25:35,195 (drum roll) 559 00:25:39,566 --> 00:25:42,736 (lighthearted orchestral music) 560 00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:43,970 - [Scotty] Back in those days, 561 00:25:44,004 --> 00:25:46,239 people knew they were lovers and together. 562 00:25:46,273 --> 00:25:47,607 Then, all of a sudden, as years go by, 563 00:25:47,641 --> 00:25:48,842 they're kinda, "How dare you talk that way?" 564 00:25:48,875 --> 00:25:50,577 But I'm not talking about them, 565 00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:52,746 I'm just saying they're great guys, you know, both of them. 566 00:25:55,415 --> 00:25:57,284 (moves into soft piano music) 567 00:25:57,317 --> 00:25:59,686 I'd been with them individually and both of them, 568 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:00,954 what you call a three-way, 569 00:26:00,987 --> 00:26:03,657 and I've also brought another buddy 570 00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:05,559 for them to where there were four of us, 571 00:26:05,592 --> 00:26:06,626 you know, two-and-two. 572 00:26:07,527 --> 00:26:10,731 (soft jazz music) 573 00:26:10,764 --> 00:26:13,333 Before he became an actor, a known actor, 574 00:26:13,366 --> 00:26:15,902 Cary Grant was living with Orry Kelly in New York, 575 00:26:15,936 --> 00:26:17,003 who was a mad queen. 576 00:26:17,971 --> 00:26:20,807 Orry Kelly was a dress designer. 577 00:26:20,841 --> 00:26:23,376 Actually, he got three Oscars for dress design. 578 00:26:24,678 --> 00:26:26,747 - Some Like It Hot. 579 00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:27,781 Orry Kelly! 580 00:26:27,814 --> 00:26:29,549 - [Scotty] Then he came out here and lived here 581 00:26:29,583 --> 00:26:31,384 for a year and a half together. 582 00:26:31,418 --> 00:26:33,687 Then he met Randolph Scott and left Orry, 583 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,422 dropped him like a hot potato, 584 00:26:36,389 --> 00:26:37,758 because he wanted to steer clear 585 00:26:37,791 --> 00:26:39,559 for fear they might think he's gay, 586 00:26:39,593 --> 00:26:41,728 if he's with someone who's known to be gay. 587 00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:47,834 (upbeat jazz orchestral music) 588 00:26:50,937 --> 00:26:52,572 - When Hollywood began, 589 00:26:52,606 --> 00:26:55,675 when the studio system really got, got rolling, 590 00:26:55,709 --> 00:26:57,844 Hollywood was a rollicking place, 591 00:26:57,878 --> 00:26:59,946 there were very, very few rules. 592 00:27:02,015 --> 00:27:05,786 It was a haven for people who lived larger than life, 593 00:27:05,819 --> 00:27:09,022 had radical views about sex or politics. 594 00:27:09,055 --> 00:27:11,725 And there were, you know, lot of same-sex cohabitation, 595 00:27:11,758 --> 00:27:13,627 people, men and women living together 596 00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:14,928 who weren't getting married. 597 00:27:14,961 --> 00:27:18,398 The kind of rules that, and, and strict moral code 598 00:27:18,431 --> 00:27:19,533 that we associate with Hollywood 599 00:27:19,566 --> 00:27:22,402 came in place in the 1930s with the production code. 600 00:27:22,435 --> 00:27:26,907 - It's vulgar, it's cheap and the tawdry is out! 601 00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:30,744 There is no room on the screen at any time 602 00:27:30,777 --> 00:27:33,680 for pictures which offend against common decency, 603 00:27:34,815 --> 00:27:37,517 and these, the industry will not allow. 604 00:27:37,551 --> 00:27:40,353 - With the production code came morals clauses in, 605 00:27:40,387 --> 00:27:41,755 in people's contracts. 606 00:27:42,722 --> 00:27:44,524 (soft piano music) 607 00:27:44,558 --> 00:27:45,826 Hollywood had adopted 608 00:27:45,859 --> 00:27:49,095 a very different relationship with the public. 609 00:27:49,129 --> 00:27:51,731 It was really about, we're just like all of you. 610 00:27:54,568 --> 00:27:57,838 It was very important to sell this myth to America, 611 00:27:57,871 --> 00:27:59,873 that the movie stars were just good, 612 00:27:59,906 --> 00:28:02,342 honest, moral, law-abiding citizens. 613 00:28:03,910 --> 00:28:05,745 - If it became public that you were gay, 614 00:28:05,779 --> 00:28:08,782 you would be immediately fired. 615 00:28:08,815 --> 00:28:10,750 - When actors were under contract to their studios, 616 00:28:10,784 --> 00:28:12,485 everything about their life was defined: 617 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,688 how, what they wore, how they wore their hair, 618 00:28:14,721 --> 00:28:16,623 you know, and they worked, very, very, very hard. 619 00:28:16,656 --> 00:28:18,692 They made lots of movies a year. 620 00:28:18,725 --> 00:28:19,993 Where could they get a real life 621 00:28:20,026 --> 00:28:22,829 where they could just let go and sort of undo the, 622 00:28:22,863 --> 00:28:25,166 the belt, as it were, and the, the constraints? 623 00:28:25,199 --> 00:28:26,766 Scotty gave them that. 624 00:28:27,901 --> 00:28:30,103 - Scotty was able to provide a very real service 625 00:28:30,136 --> 00:28:32,405 to these people, who otherwise were very restricted 626 00:28:32,439 --> 00:28:33,673 by this moral code. 627 00:28:34,541 --> 00:28:37,811 (slow dramatic music) 628 00:28:37,844 --> 00:28:40,680 (traffic humming) 629 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,822 - Now, this is a fucking low-flush toilet. 630 00:28:48,855 --> 00:28:50,523 This is not a good toilet at all. 631 00:28:52,792 --> 00:28:53,827 That's a low-flush. 632 00:28:54,694 --> 00:28:55,495 Let's see. 633 00:29:00,667 --> 00:29:02,068 Not a bad-looking toilet, but that, 634 00:29:02,102 --> 00:29:04,070 that's just a recent type. 635 00:29:04,104 --> 00:29:05,538 I would take it otherwise, 636 00:29:05,572 --> 00:29:06,873 but it's not that good of a toilet. 637 00:29:15,815 --> 00:29:17,817 - [Matt] Where did this hole come from? 638 00:29:17,851 --> 00:29:19,052 - Huh? 639 00:29:19,085 --> 00:29:20,820 - [Matt] This hole. 640 00:29:20,854 --> 00:29:23,890 - Oh, she had a rug on here, 641 00:29:23,924 --> 00:29:26,960 and the rug dry-rotted the wood. 642 00:29:26,993 --> 00:29:29,829 - I fell in, and it went down up to here in this leg, 643 00:29:29,863 --> 00:29:31,064 and I couldn't get it out. 644 00:29:31,097 --> 00:29:32,233 - [Scotty] You can see that circle. 645 00:29:32,266 --> 00:29:33,167 See the circle? 646 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,534 She had put a big carpet down. 647 00:29:34,567 --> 00:29:37,871 When you a carpet down, it dry-rots below. 648 00:29:37,904 --> 00:29:39,139 - Anyway, I had to call the neighbors 649 00:29:39,173 --> 00:29:41,508 to come and get me out. 650 00:29:41,541 --> 00:29:43,810 - [Scotty] So I gotta replace all of that stuff. 651 00:29:45,545 --> 00:29:47,981 - [TV Reporter] Police got a call that two hand grenades 652 00:29:48,014 --> 00:29:49,950 have been found in a fire pit 653 00:29:49,983 --> 00:29:52,018 in the backyard of this house. 654 00:29:54,288 --> 00:29:56,089 - He's just collecting things. 655 00:29:56,122 --> 00:29:58,591 He never did this before. 656 00:29:58,625 --> 00:29:59,926 Never. 657 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,728 So it's just since we've been here. 658 00:30:04,965 --> 00:30:07,667 - I have every copy of Playboy Magazine 659 00:30:07,701 --> 00:30:09,669 since Playboy came out. 660 00:30:09,703 --> 00:30:10,971 - [Matt] Where are they? 661 00:30:11,004 --> 00:30:13,940 - Over at the other house, stacked in the basement. 662 00:30:13,974 --> 00:30:15,108 - [Lois] There's no room here. 663 00:30:15,141 --> 00:30:16,509 - Well, you know, you know how much, 664 00:30:16,543 --> 00:30:18,245 I got stacks this high for Christ's sake. 665 00:30:19,846 --> 00:30:22,249 - [Matt] Tell me about these photos on the wall. 666 00:30:22,283 --> 00:30:24,884 Lois, are they your family? 667 00:30:24,918 --> 00:30:28,621 - [Lois] That's my mother and my brother and I up there. 668 00:30:28,655 --> 00:30:29,723 That's me. 669 00:30:29,756 --> 00:30:32,892 A long, long time ago. (laughs) 670 00:30:32,926 --> 00:30:35,262 - [Scotty] We've been together about 35 years. 671 00:30:35,296 --> 00:30:37,298 And that was Cindy. 672 00:30:37,331 --> 00:30:39,099 The god-dammed time goes. 673 00:30:40,867 --> 00:30:42,969 - [Lois] We met in December of '80, 674 00:30:43,003 --> 00:30:45,105 we were married July '84. 675 00:30:45,138 --> 00:30:48,108 ♪ It had to be you 676 00:30:52,246 --> 00:30:53,913 - [Scotty] A friend of mine had a bar here 677 00:30:53,947 --> 00:30:58,252 on Robinson called Alberto's and I met her in there. 678 00:30:59,253 --> 00:31:00,620 She was singing at the piano bar. 679 00:31:02,256 --> 00:31:05,259 ♪ Could make me feel bad 680 00:31:05,292 --> 00:31:07,027 ♪ Even be glad 681 00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:08,895 ♪ Just to be sad 682 00:31:08,928 --> 00:31:12,065 ♪ Thinkin' of you 683 00:31:12,098 --> 00:31:15,902 ♪ Some others I've seen 684 00:31:15,935 --> 00:31:19,240 ♪ Might never be mean 685 00:31:19,273 --> 00:31:20,974 ♪ Might never be cross 686 00:31:21,007 --> 00:31:23,743 I'm singing at Alberto's. 687 00:31:23,777 --> 00:31:26,846 He came past me one night and said, "I love your singing." 688 00:31:28,081 --> 00:31:31,918 I don't know, he looked like a, an old leprechaun. 689 00:31:31,951 --> 00:31:34,788 I mean, it was the dickens in his eyes, you know. 690 00:31:34,821 --> 00:31:36,022 (laughs) I don't know. 691 00:31:36,056 --> 00:31:38,124 ♪ Wonderful you 692 00:31:38,158 --> 00:31:41,628 ♪ It had to be you 693 00:31:41,661 --> 00:31:44,731 ♪ It had to be you 694 00:31:44,764 --> 00:31:47,834 (audience clapping) 695 00:31:55,176 --> 00:31:57,211 - [Matt] Is that the paperback? 696 00:31:57,244 --> 00:31:58,945 - Yeah, it is. 697 00:31:58,978 --> 00:32:01,114 For a paperback it's kinda nice, you know. 698 00:32:01,147 --> 00:32:02,216 - Honey? - What? 699 00:32:02,249 --> 00:32:03,850 - Didn't you get a box of these home? 700 00:32:03,883 --> 00:32:06,187 - [Scotty] He took eight books out of here. 701 00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:08,088 Another good title would've been, 702 00:32:08,121 --> 00:32:10,257 How To Make People Happy. - Mm hm. 703 00:32:10,291 --> 00:32:12,359 - Same thing as the, the real book, yeah. 704 00:32:14,694 --> 00:32:16,029 - [Matt] Lois, do you think you'll be tempted 705 00:32:16,062 --> 00:32:17,164 to read one of them? 706 00:32:17,198 --> 00:32:18,031 - No, she won't. 707 00:32:19,233 --> 00:32:20,800 She won't read those goddamn things. 708 00:32:20,834 --> 00:32:22,035 Are you kidding? 709 00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:26,307 If she read the book, she'd jump off the balcony. 710 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:27,841 She'd jump out the window. 711 00:32:29,109 --> 00:32:32,379 - [Matt] You're not planning on reading it, why not? 712 00:32:32,413 --> 00:32:33,780 - Well, two reasons. 713 00:32:33,813 --> 00:32:36,183 I don't, I didn't know him then. 714 00:32:36,217 --> 00:32:38,285 I don't know him as that person. 715 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:40,720 And not sure I want to. 716 00:32:40,753 --> 00:32:41,821 (Scotty laughs) 717 00:32:41,855 --> 00:32:43,224 And I'm not interested in Hollywood 718 00:32:44,458 --> 00:32:46,159 shenanigans. 719 00:32:46,193 --> 00:32:47,694 I'm just not. 720 00:32:47,727 --> 00:32:49,629 I guess I feel some, 721 00:32:52,466 --> 00:32:54,968 I don't know how you'd put it, 722 00:32:55,001 --> 00:32:56,970 regret. - Regret? 723 00:32:57,003 --> 00:32:58,738 - That he didn't say something. 724 00:32:58,771 --> 00:33:00,140 - [Scotty] What do you mean, say something? 725 00:33:00,174 --> 00:33:03,377 - Before, when I first knew you, 726 00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:06,846 about your life prior to my meeting you. 727 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,282 - [Scotty] You never told me about your life 728 00:33:08,315 --> 00:33:09,183 prior to me meeting you. 729 00:33:09,216 --> 00:33:10,417 I never asked. - Ain't nothing to tell. 730 00:33:10,451 --> 00:33:11,418 - [Scotty] Well, you never know. 731 00:33:11,452 --> 00:33:13,052 I mean you could've been a hooker, I don't know. 732 00:33:13,086 --> 00:33:14,120 - You know what I'm talking about. 733 00:33:14,154 --> 00:33:15,222 Stop being silly. 734 00:33:15,256 --> 00:33:16,022 - [Scotty] You could've been a hooker and something. 735 00:33:16,055 --> 00:33:17,790 I never asked you, you know that. 736 00:33:17,824 --> 00:33:19,058 I'm not that type-- 737 00:33:19,092 --> 00:33:20,394 - Well, apparently, it didn't matter to you. 738 00:33:20,427 --> 00:33:22,263 It might have mattered to me. 739 00:33:25,332 --> 00:33:28,101 (birds chirping) 740 00:33:29,869 --> 00:33:33,174 (slow soft music) 741 00:33:33,207 --> 00:33:35,808 - Yeah, you know, the god-dammed toilet. 742 00:33:35,842 --> 00:33:37,010 I didn't get it right away. 743 00:33:37,043 --> 00:33:39,913 I got so much yesterday, yesterday afternoon. 744 00:33:39,946 --> 00:33:40,847 And, and... 745 00:33:43,116 --> 00:33:46,152 You never know when you're gonna need it, baby. (laughs) 746 00:33:48,255 --> 00:33:51,192 I used to take care of Beach's houses. 747 00:33:51,225 --> 00:33:54,461 Beach Dickerson owned about 18 or 19 houses up here. 748 00:33:54,495 --> 00:33:55,828 And I maintained them. 749 00:33:55,862 --> 00:33:56,930 I did all the plumbing in all of them. 750 00:33:56,963 --> 00:33:59,266 I mean, see, see Beach could count on me to do it, 751 00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:00,833 and do it right. 752 00:34:02,101 --> 00:34:04,271 Originally, Beach met me at the gas station, 753 00:34:04,305 --> 00:34:05,905 then we became friends. 754 00:34:08,209 --> 00:34:10,877 This was his house and he lived here all those years. 755 00:34:12,246 --> 00:34:17,218 Beach was originally from Glennville, Georgia, 756 00:34:18,319 --> 00:34:20,221 went in the Army, ended up in California, 757 00:34:20,254 --> 00:34:22,189 and stayed here, and became kind of 758 00:34:22,223 --> 00:34:23,957 what you call a half-assed actor. 759 00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:25,459 I still get checks. 760 00:34:25,492 --> 00:34:29,296 $1.80, $2.25 for little things he was in. 761 00:34:29,330 --> 00:34:30,830 You know what I mean? 762 00:34:30,863 --> 00:34:33,967 - [Announcer] The Creature From the Haunted Sea! 763 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,305 (dramatic theatrical music) 764 00:34:38,339 --> 00:34:40,274 - [Scotty] Oh, they were class C movies 765 00:34:40,307 --> 00:34:42,209 by Roger Corman many years ago: 766 00:34:42,243 --> 00:34:44,010 The Attack of the Crab Monster 767 00:34:44,043 --> 00:34:46,145 and Creatures of the Haunted Sea. 768 00:34:47,348 --> 00:34:49,483 (soft orchestral music) 769 00:34:49,516 --> 00:34:54,488 Beach was my steady number-one person that I would see. 770 00:34:56,523 --> 00:34:59,260 Oh, that's Lois's, the Columbia University, 771 00:34:59,293 --> 00:35:01,094 City of New York, Lois Broad. 772 00:35:02,196 --> 00:35:04,897 (soft orchestral music) 773 00:35:04,931 --> 00:35:07,534 Beach owned about eight, eight thoroughbred horses. 774 00:35:08,868 --> 00:35:10,504 And the only horse he ever had that won, 775 00:35:10,537 --> 00:35:13,039 he named the horse Hollywood Scott. 776 00:35:13,072 --> 00:35:15,875 And that was the only horse he ever had that won a race. 777 00:35:17,211 --> 00:35:21,248 - Beach Dickerson owned a house up where I'd walk my dogs. 778 00:35:21,282 --> 00:35:22,949 I said, "I understand, you know, 779 00:35:22,982 --> 00:35:25,219 "we have a mutual friend, Scotty Bower." 780 00:35:25,252 --> 00:35:26,353 He said, "Yeah." 781 00:35:26,387 --> 00:35:28,355 He said, "Scotty's my lover." 782 00:35:28,389 --> 00:35:30,056 I said, "Well, that's news to me. 783 00:35:30,089 --> 00:35:33,960 "I didn't know Scotty had a, a gay lover up here." 784 00:35:33,993 --> 00:35:36,896 And he said, "Oh, yeah." (laughs) 785 00:35:36,929 --> 00:35:39,999 - [Scotty] Here's Jennifer Aniston. 786 00:35:40,033 --> 00:35:41,535 Here's Beach. 787 00:35:41,568 --> 00:35:43,370 Every one of these girls are actresses, 788 00:35:43,404 --> 00:35:44,804 and they all lived here. 789 00:35:45,972 --> 00:35:47,408 And this was taken out on the patio there. 790 00:35:47,441 --> 00:35:50,277 Elvis Presley and a girl they were, 791 00:35:50,311 --> 00:35:52,111 when he worked on a show with Elvis. 792 00:35:54,181 --> 00:35:56,216 There's Beach and Corbin Bernsen. 793 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:58,252 - [Jack] He was Beach's godson. 794 00:35:58,285 --> 00:36:00,487 He was on LA Law and a few things. 795 00:36:02,021 --> 00:36:04,891 - Beach left me two annuities, 796 00:36:04,924 --> 00:36:07,394 plus $300,000, plus two houses, 797 00:36:07,428 --> 00:36:08,995 which was quite nice. 798 00:36:11,064 --> 00:36:13,167 He left me this house, another house 799 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,270 around the corner down there to sell. 800 00:36:17,471 --> 00:36:18,871 And the house that he left me, 801 00:36:18,905 --> 00:36:20,940 I sold for a little bit over $600,000. 802 00:36:22,409 --> 00:36:25,446 The will was made out that I have this house until I die. 803 00:36:25,479 --> 00:36:28,649 Then when I die, and I, I've gotta be really dead, 804 00:36:28,682 --> 00:36:32,018 then, and may not happen, then fuckin' Corbin gets it. 805 00:36:32,051 --> 00:36:34,087 See? (laughs) 806 00:36:35,656 --> 00:36:36,956 Corbin, when Beach died, 807 00:36:36,989 --> 00:36:38,258 Corbin was gonna rent a yacht 808 00:36:38,292 --> 00:36:41,094 and spread the ashes at sea and have a big party. 809 00:36:41,127 --> 00:36:43,996 He wanted something like $35,000 from the estate, 810 00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:45,332 and I said, 811 00:36:45,366 --> 00:36:46,467 don't give him a fucking dime. 812 00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:47,334 That's all bullshit. 813 00:36:47,368 --> 00:36:48,402 You know what I mean? 814 00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:51,971 Right now, Beach's ashes are down in, 815 00:36:52,004 --> 00:36:53,640 in Pat's garage in the trunk of his car 816 00:36:53,674 --> 00:36:56,610 where they've been for the last five years. 817 00:36:56,643 --> 00:36:58,445 We were always gonna do something with them, 818 00:36:58,479 --> 00:36:59,380 I don't know what. 819 00:36:59,413 --> 00:37:02,549 And then, then Pat died and they're still 820 00:37:02,583 --> 00:37:05,252 in the trunk of the car down there. 821 00:37:05,285 --> 00:37:08,988 (crickets chirping) 822 00:37:09,021 --> 00:37:10,624 Hello kitty. 823 00:37:10,657 --> 00:37:14,328 Did you know cats hate scented litter? 824 00:37:15,995 --> 00:37:17,364 Look. 825 00:37:17,398 --> 00:37:19,031 There, look at those, those eyes. 826 00:37:19,065 --> 00:37:21,100 You gotta say they're cute little things. 827 00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:26,206 David called and said they've got a check 828 00:37:27,608 --> 00:37:31,445 from the publishing company for $188,000. 829 00:37:31,478 --> 00:37:33,313 That guy from the office said, 830 00:37:33,347 --> 00:37:35,014 "Is it okay to send to the house?" 831 00:37:35,047 --> 00:37:36,483 I said yes, so they'll send it here. 832 00:37:36,517 --> 00:37:38,419 - I just wonder how they do it. 833 00:37:38,452 --> 00:37:40,086 Do they have an accounting? 834 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:41,688 Do we know how many books were sold? 835 00:37:41,722 --> 00:37:45,359 Do we know what are his percentages? 836 00:37:45,392 --> 00:37:46,959 Nothing. 837 00:37:46,993 --> 00:37:48,729 - Well, whatever you get helps, you know. 838 00:37:48,762 --> 00:37:50,297 I mean, what the hell. 839 00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:52,366 - No, I'd just like to know how many books, 840 00:37:52,399 --> 00:37:55,469 and how much do you get, and how much do you get, 841 00:37:55,502 --> 00:37:57,371 and how much did David get and... 842 00:37:57,404 --> 00:37:59,239 - [Matt] That seems like your policy. 843 00:37:59,273 --> 00:38:00,674 The money takes care of itself. 844 00:38:00,707 --> 00:38:01,775 - That's right. 845 00:38:01,809 --> 00:38:04,010 Do you know there are a couple of old Jewish ladies 846 00:38:04,043 --> 00:38:05,579 in Beverly Hills who have money, 847 00:38:05,612 --> 00:38:10,350 that years ago I worked, I worked for them for $5 an hour. 848 00:38:10,384 --> 00:38:12,519 I go to work from them now, they have money. 849 00:38:12,553 --> 00:38:15,255 They hand me $20. I'm there five or six hours. 850 00:38:15,289 --> 00:38:16,590 I give them a kiss and say thank you, 851 00:38:16,623 --> 00:38:18,392 like everything is okay, right? 852 00:38:19,326 --> 00:38:20,461 Perfectly all right. 853 00:38:20,494 --> 00:38:22,229 - But they're laughing at you. (laughs) 854 00:38:22,262 --> 00:38:23,630 - Everything works out. 855 00:38:23,664 --> 00:38:25,097 Things always work out. 856 00:38:25,131 --> 00:38:26,567 They, they, you know... 857 00:38:28,502 --> 00:38:31,505 (jazzy piano music) 858 00:38:42,583 --> 00:38:46,587 - [Man] So Scotty, we are all big fans of your services. 859 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:49,189 - There's Polish, French, and Spanish now. 860 00:38:50,122 --> 00:38:51,592 - We can get a German. (laughs) 861 00:38:51,625 --> 00:38:52,392 - Well, they're going, 862 00:38:52,426 --> 00:38:53,360 they're going to German and Italian 863 00:38:53,393 --> 00:38:55,161 in about two or three months. - Oh, yeah? 864 00:38:55,195 --> 00:38:56,563 - Ya. - How cool. 865 00:38:56,597 --> 00:38:59,399 - You know somebody emailed me just a week ago, 866 00:38:59,433 --> 00:39:00,801 and was asking, you know, 867 00:39:00,834 --> 00:39:02,469 "Have you guys thought of doing something 868 00:39:02,503 --> 00:39:04,605 "with that guy Scotty Bowers?" 869 00:39:04,638 --> 00:39:06,573 and, "He's so cute." 870 00:39:06,607 --> 00:39:08,509 Did you pose for Bob Mizer? 871 00:39:08,542 --> 00:39:10,644 - No, but I had many guys pose for Bob Mizer. 872 00:39:10,677 --> 00:39:15,582 Bob Mizer was kind of the number one queen of guys. 873 00:39:15,616 --> 00:39:17,284 (upbeat jazz music) 874 00:39:17,317 --> 00:39:19,586 You know, Bob Mizer was the number one photographer 875 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:20,621 of boys at the time. 876 00:39:22,121 --> 00:39:25,425 (upbeat jazz music) 877 00:39:25,459 --> 00:39:26,827 - [Dian] The stories about Ewell. 878 00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:28,328 Did you know Tom Ewell? 879 00:39:28,362 --> 00:39:30,430 - [Scotty] Oh yeah, I knew Tom very well. 880 00:39:30,464 --> 00:39:32,599 But Tom was a mad one. 881 00:39:32,633 --> 00:39:33,800 - [Dian] That's what we heard. 882 00:39:33,834 --> 00:39:36,603 He was in The Seven Year Itch. 883 00:39:37,738 --> 00:39:40,106 He was an everyman. 884 00:39:40,139 --> 00:39:41,107 - Tom Ewell, 885 00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:42,309 a lot of people didn't even know he was gay. 886 00:39:42,342 --> 00:39:43,577 But Tom, he could see 20 guys, 887 00:39:43,610 --> 00:39:45,779 one right after the other, and want more. 888 00:39:47,146 --> 00:39:50,551 So, I called them big users. (laughs) 889 00:39:50,584 --> 00:39:53,754 The three, what you call big users, three of them were: 890 00:39:55,154 --> 00:39:55,789 Tom Ewell 891 00:39:57,658 --> 00:39:59,192 and Ramon Novarro 892 00:39:59,226 --> 00:40:01,562 and Cole Porter. 893 00:40:01,595 --> 00:40:04,464 Cole Porter would say, "Can you bring 15 guys by? 894 00:40:04,498 --> 00:40:07,634 "I wanna suck 15 guys off, one right after the other." 895 00:40:07,668 --> 00:40:10,437 ♪ You're the top 896 00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:13,240 ♪ You're Mahatma Gandhi 897 00:40:13,273 --> 00:40:15,609 ♪ You're the top 898 00:40:15,642 --> 00:40:18,712 ♪ You're napoleon brandy 899 00:40:18,745 --> 00:40:21,848 (moves into bluesy jazz music) 900 00:40:21,882 --> 00:40:25,218 - Normally, I would not talk about it really, 901 00:40:25,252 --> 00:40:27,721 but people have often said, 902 00:40:27,754 --> 00:40:30,691 you couldn't have done that many things in, 903 00:40:30,724 --> 00:40:33,527 in any given week, fixing up that many people, 904 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,761 seeing that many people, 905 00:40:34,795 --> 00:40:36,128 doing this working at the gas station. 906 00:40:36,163 --> 00:40:37,698 You're fucking right, I did it. 907 00:40:37,731 --> 00:40:40,901 I fucked Bette Davis in World War II when she was married 908 00:40:40,934 --> 00:40:42,836 to a guy I used to fix up with tricks. 909 00:40:42,869 --> 00:40:44,638 And we used to have three-way deals. 910 00:40:45,939 --> 00:40:48,275 I went to bed with J. Edgar Hoover. 911 00:40:48,308 --> 00:40:49,476 He was in drag. 912 00:40:49,509 --> 00:40:51,778 He was not a great beauty either, you know, 913 00:40:51,812 --> 00:40:54,381 but I was treating him just like he's a girl. 914 00:40:55,849 --> 00:40:58,150 Judith Anderson was a friend of Alex Tear. 915 00:40:58,185 --> 00:41:00,654 Alex had said, "I'm sending Scotty over with a gift." 916 00:41:00,687 --> 00:41:01,588 "Where's the gift?" 917 00:41:01,622 --> 00:41:02,422 I'm the gift. 918 00:41:02,456 --> 00:41:03,824 You get what I mean? 919 00:41:03,857 --> 00:41:05,492 We finally go to bed together. 920 00:41:05,525 --> 00:41:07,427 But she was more into girls than guys, 921 00:41:07,461 --> 00:41:09,463 because later I fixed her up with girls. 922 00:41:10,597 --> 00:41:12,866 One day Cary Grant was in the gas station 923 00:41:12,899 --> 00:41:15,268 and Rock Hudson just happened to be there. 924 00:41:15,302 --> 00:41:16,637 Cary Grant picked him out, 925 00:41:16,670 --> 00:41:19,206 so I fixed him up with Rock for $20. 926 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,674 And Rock saw him several times. 927 00:41:20,707 --> 00:41:22,609 This is before Rock had any money. 928 00:41:23,844 --> 00:41:25,779 And Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh, 929 00:41:25,812 --> 00:41:27,814 I never tricked them together. 930 00:41:27,848 --> 00:41:29,516 I would fix them up with guys, 931 00:41:29,549 --> 00:41:32,619 and then I would see her at George Cukor's house. 932 00:41:32,653 --> 00:41:34,955 She would come and quietly open the gate, 933 00:41:34,988 --> 00:41:37,190 and all the way in it was, "Shh, don't say a word." 934 00:41:37,224 --> 00:41:39,326 10 minutes later in the bedroom as I'm fucking her, 935 00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:40,827 she's screaming. 936 00:41:40,861 --> 00:41:41,695 - Whoo! 937 00:41:42,729 --> 00:41:43,697 - And Bill Holden, 938 00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:46,566 I fixed him up with an awful lot of girls too. 939 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,735 When they did Sunset Boulevard right here 940 00:41:48,769 --> 00:41:51,571 with Gloria Swanson and Bill Holden. 941 00:41:51,605 --> 00:41:54,608 And Bill called me and said, come on over. 942 00:41:54,641 --> 00:41:55,776 - Goodbye, Norma. 943 00:41:55,809 --> 00:41:57,377 - [Scotty] They did night scenes at the swimming pool, 944 00:41:57,411 --> 00:41:58,945 behind the big house that was there. 945 00:41:58,979 --> 00:42:00,380 - [Gloria] Joe! 946 00:42:01,648 --> 00:42:03,617 - I went over and fucked around all night long 947 00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:05,318 while they were shooting one little scene 948 00:42:05,352 --> 00:42:06,653 that could've taken three minutes to shoot. 949 00:42:06,687 --> 00:42:08,689 And I said, "Bill, forget that bullshit." 950 00:42:08,722 --> 00:42:10,957 (gun fires) 951 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,462 Hi Tony. - Hello. 952 00:42:15,495 --> 00:42:17,330 - [Scotty] How are you, baby? 953 00:42:17,364 --> 00:42:20,300 - And we still, he still comes to the house 954 00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:21,668 and works for me. - That's right. 955 00:42:21,702 --> 00:42:22,903 I still come and work here. 956 00:42:22,936 --> 00:42:24,504 - [Tony] But Scotty, you can show them around. 957 00:42:24,538 --> 00:42:25,839 You know the house. 958 00:42:28,675 --> 00:42:30,844 - See how many Emmys Tony has right here? 959 00:42:30,877 --> 00:42:31,712 Right there. 960 00:42:32,813 --> 00:42:34,781 (birds chirping) 961 00:42:34,815 --> 00:42:36,616 There are some gorgeous paintings here. 962 00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:41,288 Oh, (laughs) that's a thing he did of me. 963 00:42:41,321 --> 00:42:42,656 (laughs) 964 00:42:42,689 --> 00:42:45,292 - Since he serviced a lot of people, 965 00:42:45,325 --> 00:42:48,662 and we were having a party on the Fourth of July, 966 00:42:48,695 --> 00:42:52,299 and so, I had to have an American flag. 967 00:42:52,332 --> 00:42:57,337 And, of course, he did all of his work with the telephone, 968 00:42:58,572 --> 00:43:00,674 and most of it in a bedroom. 969 00:43:00,707 --> 00:43:02,342 - I mean very clever, Tony, 970 00:43:02,375 --> 00:43:03,810 the way he thought when he did it. 971 00:43:03,844 --> 00:43:07,681 - This is from a Fourth of July event. 972 00:43:07,714 --> 00:43:09,649 That's Joe Kennedy from Paris, 973 00:43:09,683 --> 00:43:13,754 and he was Big Dick Strauss, Richard Strauss. 974 00:43:13,787 --> 00:43:15,922 - [Scotty] Oh, yeah. I remember him. 975 00:43:15,956 --> 00:43:18,792 - [Tony] We would have a parade in drag. 976 00:43:18,825 --> 00:43:21,928 (bluesy jazz music) 977 00:43:31,905 --> 00:43:34,307 - [Scotty] Tony had all kind of parties. 978 00:43:35,475 --> 00:43:39,079 You know me, I'm up for anything. (laughs) 979 00:43:39,112 --> 00:43:42,749 I'm in it for anything, anytime, you know what I mean? 980 00:43:42,783 --> 00:43:43,884 (laughs) 981 00:43:43,917 --> 00:43:46,920 (bluesy jazz music) 982 00:43:54,694 --> 00:43:55,629 Hi honey. - Hi. 983 00:43:55,662 --> 00:43:57,397 - I got your car all covered and everything. 984 00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:59,800 Did you find Hollywood Sheet Music? 985 00:43:59,833 --> 00:44:01,802 - No, I went to Chico's instead. (laughs) 986 00:44:01,835 --> 00:44:03,470 - [Scotty] Oh. (laughs) 987 00:44:03,503 --> 00:44:05,705 - I'm going to a new place to sing Sunday. 988 00:44:05,739 --> 00:44:06,740 - [Matt] Oh, where? 989 00:44:06,773 --> 00:44:07,874 What's it called? - I don't know. 990 00:44:07,908 --> 00:44:08,842 - It's a fucking gay bar. 991 00:44:08,875 --> 00:44:11,378 - [Lois] It was beautiful. 992 00:44:11,411 --> 00:44:12,879 It was like a nightclub, 993 00:44:12,913 --> 00:44:14,748 and it felt very strange to be there on a Sunday afternoon. 994 00:44:14,781 --> 00:44:16,583 - Yeah, it's a purple lights and everything and-- 995 00:44:16,616 --> 00:44:21,354 - But, it was filled with gay guys, 996 00:44:21,388 --> 00:44:23,089 and I don't know how to react. 997 00:44:23,123 --> 00:44:24,925 I mean, you, you know, I don't care what they do, 998 00:44:24,958 --> 00:44:28,061 but I don't like to be in the middle of it, you know. 999 00:44:28,094 --> 00:44:32,866 - [Scotty] (laughs) You didn't know. 1000 00:44:38,805 --> 00:44:40,841 - You know, I'm writing a book 1001 00:44:40,874 --> 00:44:43,410 about how gays are treated in Hollywood. 1002 00:44:43,443 --> 00:44:46,646 So, when I came across your book, I mean I was just amazed. 1003 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,014 - [Scotty] That's a perfect one to ask, right? 1004 00:44:48,048 --> 00:44:48,849 - Exactly. (laughs) 1005 00:44:48,882 --> 00:44:49,916 - [Scotty] You know, you're right. 1006 00:44:49,950 --> 00:44:52,085 - You're revealing a lot, so that was the point. 1007 00:44:52,118 --> 00:44:54,521 The fact that at that time, studio were trying to 1008 00:44:55,856 --> 00:44:57,424 secure what was happening with their leads-- 1009 00:44:57,457 --> 00:44:59,125 - Remember, at that time, many people who were gay 1010 00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:01,428 had jobs, that they would lose their jobs 1011 00:45:01,461 --> 00:45:02,996 if they were exposed in any way. 1012 00:45:04,598 --> 00:45:08,034 After World War II, the vice squad was red-hot in this town. 1013 00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:11,972 They were picking up guys for nothing. 1014 00:45:16,076 --> 00:45:21,081 - It wasn't fun, sitting in a gay bar on Melrose in 1962 1015 00:45:21,948 --> 00:45:23,516 waiting for the police to raid. 1016 00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:24,784 They'd go in there and they'd say, 1017 00:45:24,818 --> 00:45:26,953 "We have a quota of eight for tonight." 1018 00:45:28,688 --> 00:45:31,124 And you know, to be beaten up in public parks, 1019 00:45:31,157 --> 00:45:33,727 or have an effeminate friend 1020 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,062 viciously attacked going down the street. 1021 00:45:37,631 --> 00:45:41,101 - It's probably hard for people who were born the last 20, 1022 00:45:41,134 --> 00:45:44,104 30, perhaps even 40 years to fully grasp 1023 00:45:44,137 --> 00:45:46,907 how difficult it was. 1024 00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:48,642 Not only was it hard for them 1025 00:45:48,675 --> 00:45:49,910 to find someone to fall in love, 1026 00:45:49,943 --> 00:45:52,812 but if they tried, they could go to jail, 1027 00:45:52,846 --> 00:45:54,447 they could go to a institution 1028 00:45:54,481 --> 00:45:57,184 where they might be castrated or lobotomized. 1029 00:45:57,218 --> 00:46:00,854 This was a terrible, terrible time for people. 1030 00:46:02,022 --> 00:46:03,823 - Crush the monster. 1031 00:46:03,857 --> 00:46:05,525 Crush homosexuality. 1032 00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:08,528 Homosexuality is, in fact a mental illness, 1033 00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:12,766 which has reached epidemiological proportions. 1034 00:46:12,799 --> 00:46:14,067 - When we hear about these stories 1035 00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:16,002 of people being arrested in the parks, 1036 00:46:16,036 --> 00:46:17,971 and we think, oh, they must have been such degenerates 1037 00:46:18,004 --> 00:46:19,873 to be down there having sex in public. 1038 00:46:19,906 --> 00:46:22,243 But in some cases, you know, they were simply there 1039 00:46:22,276 --> 00:46:25,145 to meet someone like themselves. 1040 00:46:25,179 --> 00:46:28,915 Scotty was able to allow these people to have lives 1041 00:46:28,949 --> 00:46:30,850 that were honest and authentic, 1042 00:46:30,884 --> 00:46:33,019 which is really what they were seeking. 1043 00:46:35,021 --> 00:46:37,857 - I think what Scotty did was kind of 1044 00:46:37,891 --> 00:46:40,026 an introduction service. 1045 00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:43,763 People wanted something, Scotty would get it for them. 1046 00:46:43,797 --> 00:46:47,767 Being exploited may be true of prostitution, 1047 00:46:47,801 --> 00:46:49,102 but that wasn't what Scotty did. 1048 00:46:49,135 --> 00:46:50,937 It wasn't prostitution. 1049 00:46:52,572 --> 00:46:55,108 - Oh man! - Hello, baby! (laughs) 1050 00:46:55,141 --> 00:46:58,979 - This man helped buy this house 1051 00:46:59,846 --> 00:47:02,749 in the darkest days of my life 1052 00:47:02,782 --> 00:47:05,186 when motion pictures sucked. 1053 00:47:05,219 --> 00:47:09,089 If it wasn't for this guy, he, I'd be, I would have sank. 1054 00:47:10,557 --> 00:47:12,926 - You sweetheart. (laughs) - I love you. 1055 00:47:12,959 --> 00:47:14,027 - Al, you sweet baby. 1056 00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:15,095 - You have no idea. 1057 00:47:15,128 --> 00:47:17,063 He never took a dime of my money. 1058 00:47:18,665 --> 00:47:22,936 He, he introduced me to some great, nice people, 1059 00:47:22,969 --> 00:47:23,970 like John Schlessinger. 1060 00:47:25,339 --> 00:47:30,143 I was the least qualified of all of his boys. 1061 00:47:31,011 --> 00:47:32,812 But I made a tidy sum, you know? 1062 00:47:32,846 --> 00:47:35,282 And like Scotty's motto always was, 1063 00:47:35,316 --> 00:47:37,851 "That's 20 bucks I never had." 1064 00:47:37,884 --> 00:47:40,053 And that's his philosophy, and, 1065 00:47:40,086 --> 00:47:42,323 and that's why he's so successful. 1066 00:47:42,356 --> 00:47:43,491 - That's right. 1067 00:47:43,523 --> 00:47:45,192 You, you know, I never took a dime from anyone, right? 1068 00:47:45,226 --> 00:47:46,260 You bet. - Yeah, never. 1069 00:47:46,293 --> 00:47:47,093 Never, never, never. 1070 00:47:47,127 --> 00:47:48,028 There's his book. 1071 00:47:48,061 --> 00:47:49,562 Oh, is this you, Scott? 1072 00:47:49,596 --> 00:47:51,165 This photo, that's you! 1073 00:47:51,198 --> 00:47:54,067 You were posing sometime in the '50s or the '60s. 1074 00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,101 - Yeah, that is me. 1075 00:47:55,135 --> 00:47:55,802 I remember. 1076 00:47:55,835 --> 00:47:57,003 Did you like the book at all? 1077 00:47:57,037 --> 00:47:58,172 Did you read it? - Yeah! 1078 00:47:58,205 --> 00:48:02,108 Everybody's reading it, and I tell them it's all true. 1079 00:48:03,843 --> 00:48:05,011 - You know, we were very close, 1080 00:48:05,045 --> 00:48:07,047 and I fixed him up with a lot of good tricks, didn't I? 1081 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,184 - You bet, and some bad ones too like Paul Lynde, the drunk. 1082 00:48:10,217 --> 00:48:11,684 - [Scotty] Oh, remember Paul Lynde? 1083 00:48:11,718 --> 00:48:13,153 Remember Paul Lynde? - (sighs) Ay-yai-yai. 1084 00:48:13,187 --> 00:48:14,321 - [Scotty] Jeez, Paul was, Paul was wicked. 1085 00:48:14,355 --> 00:48:16,756 - And George Cukor, the salivator. 1086 00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:18,691 (laughs) 1087 00:48:18,725 --> 00:48:20,960 Yeah, we had some great times. (laughs) 1088 00:48:20,994 --> 00:48:24,030 You know, I've tried working for pimps and it's horrible. 1089 00:48:24,064 --> 00:48:25,799 Scotty was never a pimp. 1090 00:48:26,966 --> 00:48:29,803 He was a friend doing another friend 1091 00:48:29,836 --> 00:48:32,072 a service and helping both ends. 1092 00:48:33,207 --> 00:48:35,642 And for that, I really respect him. 1093 00:48:37,077 --> 00:48:39,012 - [Answering Machine] Time not set. 1094 00:48:39,045 --> 00:48:40,314 Message two. 1095 00:48:40,347 --> 00:48:41,147 - [Dian] Hey, Scotty. 1096 00:48:41,182 --> 00:48:43,016 This is Dian Hanson. 1097 00:48:43,049 --> 00:48:44,251 Not sure if you remember me. 1098 00:48:44,285 --> 00:48:46,187 We met at the Benedict Passions 1099 00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:50,056 and I'd like to talk to you about a book project. 1100 00:48:50,090 --> 00:48:51,991 We'd like to have you do some writing, 1101 00:48:52,025 --> 00:48:53,893 I would work with you on it. 1102 00:48:53,927 --> 00:48:57,697 It involves World War II, so please give me a call. 1103 00:49:01,302 --> 00:49:04,238 (Scotty whistling) 1104 00:49:05,872 --> 00:49:10,177 - The Crossroads is (laughs) same as it was, 75 years ago. 1105 00:49:11,278 --> 00:49:12,912 And, and on a Saturday afternoon, 1106 00:49:12,946 --> 00:49:16,317 right here there'd be well over 1,000 servicemen in uniform. 1107 00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:19,018 And this was in 1942, this was during World War II 1108 00:49:19,052 --> 00:49:21,121 when this took place. 1109 00:49:23,957 --> 00:49:25,259 - We recently found these photos. 1110 00:49:25,292 --> 00:49:28,161 A guy contacted me, a huge collection 1111 00:49:28,195 --> 00:49:31,131 of amateur photos from World War II. 1112 00:49:31,165 --> 00:49:34,368 And we're gonna make a book about this. 1113 00:49:34,401 --> 00:49:36,669 I'm thinking of calling it My Buddy, 1114 00:49:36,703 --> 00:49:38,838 which is named after a song 1115 00:49:38,872 --> 00:49:40,274 that was popular in World War II. 1116 00:49:40,307 --> 00:49:42,809 I mean, look at these, walking along, 1117 00:49:42,842 --> 00:49:45,044 crossing a bridge with their dogs. 1118 00:49:45,078 --> 00:49:45,979 - [Scotty] Everything and a hat, 1119 00:49:46,012 --> 00:49:47,914 and the whole bit, and the rifle, and... 1120 00:49:47,947 --> 00:49:50,049 - [Dian] And then, I found this: 1121 00:49:50,083 --> 00:49:52,952 a man being consoled when his buddy has been killed. 1122 00:49:52,986 --> 00:49:54,355 - That's right, and it's got nothing to do 1123 00:49:54,388 --> 00:49:55,389 with the gay bit at all. 1124 00:49:55,422 --> 00:49:57,790 It's just buddy-buddy. 1125 00:49:58,992 --> 00:50:01,127 - [Dian] You offer such a unique resource 1126 00:50:01,161 --> 00:50:03,264 'cause you were Marine who was actually there. 1127 00:50:06,966 --> 00:50:08,269 - I don't know why he, you know, 1128 00:50:08,302 --> 00:50:10,171 that's not like him. 1129 00:50:10,204 --> 00:50:13,873 But you can see, it's just falling apart. 1130 00:50:13,907 --> 00:50:15,074 It's dangerous. 1131 00:50:17,143 --> 00:50:17,977 Hello. 1132 00:50:23,184 --> 00:50:24,351 - It was Rod on the phone. 1133 00:50:24,385 --> 00:50:25,818 That fucking house sold, 1134 00:50:25,852 --> 00:50:27,720 I gotta get my stuff out of that garage. 1135 00:50:27,754 --> 00:50:29,122 - [Lois] Oh my God. 1136 00:50:29,155 --> 00:50:30,291 - Within 10 days. 1137 00:50:49,809 --> 00:50:51,744 (laughs) 1138 00:50:51,778 --> 00:50:54,181 I'm young and innocent-looking there, 1139 00:50:54,215 --> 00:50:57,218 though I wasn't, but. (laughs) 1140 00:50:57,251 --> 00:50:58,252 What's this? 1141 00:50:58,285 --> 00:50:59,085 This a picture. 1142 00:50:59,118 --> 00:50:59,919 Is this a picture too? 1143 00:51:00,954 --> 00:51:01,754 - [Matt] Can I see? 1144 00:51:01,788 --> 00:51:02,456 Can I see? 1145 00:51:02,489 --> 00:51:03,424 Which one are you? 1146 00:51:03,457 --> 00:51:05,259 - Right here, right there. 1147 00:51:05,292 --> 00:51:06,859 Here, here, here I am right here. 1148 00:51:07,961 --> 00:51:10,264 That's my mother's handwriting, I can see. 1149 00:51:10,297 --> 00:51:13,766 That teacher, Mrs. Ham, Ham, Hammerhand, 1150 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,170 she was a nice lady 1151 00:51:16,203 --> 00:51:19,772 who liked a little girl I was going with. 1152 00:51:19,806 --> 00:51:22,176 I used to fix her up with a girl I was going with 1153 00:51:22,209 --> 00:51:24,245 because she was a dyke and her brother was gay, 1154 00:51:24,278 --> 00:51:27,080 and I'd always trick her brother. (laughs) 1155 00:51:27,113 --> 00:51:28,848 - [Matt] How old were you? 1156 00:51:28,881 --> 00:51:30,284 - Whatever I was there. 1157 00:51:30,317 --> 00:51:33,987 When I was 11, yeah, probably. 1158 00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:36,022 - [Matt] You didn't have any problem with that? 1159 00:51:36,055 --> 00:51:37,790 - Oh, no, fuck, are you kidding? 1160 00:51:37,824 --> 00:51:40,194 I never had a problem with that shit at all, baby. 1161 00:51:40,227 --> 00:51:41,027 (laughs) 1162 00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:42,263 Never. 1163 00:51:42,296 --> 00:51:45,232 I was always tricking, even when I was very young, you know, 1164 00:51:45,266 --> 00:51:46,799 even back on the farm. 1165 00:51:48,202 --> 00:51:53,374 (birds chirping) (slow soft music) 1166 00:51:55,342 --> 00:51:57,344 With the Depression being at its full swing, 1167 00:51:57,378 --> 00:51:59,213 you couldn't make a dime from the farm. 1168 00:52:02,283 --> 00:52:04,285 And certainly there, it wasn't a lot of food. 1169 00:52:07,086 --> 00:52:08,855 My brother was two years older 1170 00:52:08,888 --> 00:52:10,524 and my sister was two years younger. 1171 00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:14,927 I had a very nice childhood, a good childhood. 1172 00:52:16,363 --> 00:52:19,533 And that neighbor who had two kids and everything, 1173 00:52:19,566 --> 00:52:21,602 and his wife was a sweetheart, and he was too, 1174 00:52:21,635 --> 00:52:24,171 and I couldn't think of anything but nice things about them. 1175 00:52:24,204 --> 00:52:25,272 Just because he wanted to cuddle me 1176 00:52:25,306 --> 00:52:27,441 and hold me and jack off me, nothing wrong with that. 1177 00:52:27,474 --> 00:52:29,976 I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, baby. 1178 00:52:31,245 --> 00:52:33,247 - [Matt] Many people would consider that child abuse. 1179 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,114 But you don't think of yourself as abused? 1180 00:52:35,148 --> 00:52:35,982 - Being abused? 1181 00:52:36,015 --> 00:52:37,318 Absolutely not. 1182 00:52:37,351 --> 00:52:38,885 I mean, this is bullshit, Matt. 1183 00:52:40,321 --> 00:52:41,988 There's no such thing as somebody ruining your life 1184 00:52:42,021 --> 00:52:43,223 when they suck your cock. 1185 00:52:43,257 --> 00:52:44,891 The only way that they ruin your life 1186 00:52:44,924 --> 00:52:46,859 is when they run over you with a bus on the street. 1187 00:52:46,893 --> 00:52:48,094 That can ruin your life. 1188 00:52:49,229 --> 00:52:50,397 And even as a little bitty kid, Matt, 1189 00:52:50,431 --> 00:52:53,032 I never saw anything wrong with anything. 1190 00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:55,569 You know what, (laughs) 1191 00:52:55,602 --> 00:52:57,204 I went along with everything. 1192 00:52:58,205 --> 00:53:00,207 And I never told anybody. 1193 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,976 (dramatic theatrical music) 1194 00:53:07,281 --> 00:53:08,315 When we moved to Chicago, 1195 00:53:08,349 --> 00:53:10,016 my mother and father had divorced, 1196 00:53:10,049 --> 00:53:11,851 and I ended up later with a stepdad. 1197 00:53:13,086 --> 00:53:14,254 We moved directly across the street 1198 00:53:14,288 --> 00:53:17,624 from Holy Angels Church on Oakwood Boulevard in Chicago. 1199 00:53:17,658 --> 00:53:19,259 We had an old car with a trailer, 1200 00:53:19,293 --> 00:53:21,027 went loading, and a priest introduced himself, 1201 00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:23,029 and he, I could tell by the look in his eye, 1202 00:53:23,062 --> 00:53:24,298 he kind of wanted me, 1203 00:53:24,331 --> 00:53:25,399 and I'm over there staying all night 1204 00:53:25,432 --> 00:53:27,100 with him the first night we're there. 1205 00:53:27,133 --> 00:53:29,503 And I thought, uh-oh, I could pick up a few bucks. 1206 00:53:30,637 --> 00:53:33,607 Then he proceeded to fix me up with friends. 1207 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,008 And through him, I'd meet other priests 1208 00:53:36,042 --> 00:53:37,411 that I would go to their church. 1209 00:53:37,444 --> 00:53:42,383 Within weeks, I had seen approximately 25 or 30 priests. 1210 00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:44,284 They'd paid me off in change: 1211 00:53:44,318 --> 00:53:46,152 penny, nickels, dimes, and quarters. 1212 00:53:46,186 --> 00:53:48,222 Whatever they got out of the collection box, you know? 1213 00:53:48,255 --> 00:53:50,357 (laughs) 1214 00:53:51,225 --> 00:53:54,495 (lively jazz music) 1215 00:53:54,528 --> 00:53:57,331 I was always out hustling around. 1216 00:53:57,364 --> 00:53:59,366 And I would go downtown, shining shoes, 1217 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,201 selling papers, selling rubbers. 1218 00:54:01,235 --> 00:54:02,436 You know what I mean? 1219 00:54:02,469 --> 00:54:03,637 I had that going, and the tricking too. 1220 00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:05,439 And, baby, I had a very good thing going. 1221 00:54:05,472 --> 00:54:08,040 You know, everybody knew me downtown. 1222 00:54:08,074 --> 00:54:09,176 Are you kidding? 1223 00:54:09,209 --> 00:54:10,544 And they'd take me over to their apartment and then, 1224 00:54:10,577 --> 00:54:12,413 then they had their friends over. 1225 00:54:12,446 --> 00:54:13,946 - [Matt] Your mother never knew that you were-- 1226 00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:15,416 - [Scotty] Never picked up, 1227 00:54:15,449 --> 00:54:17,384 my brother and sister never picked up on it at all. 1228 00:54:17,418 --> 00:54:19,720 My brother, Donald, did his own little thing 1229 00:54:19,753 --> 00:54:22,389 in a very square way, never said a word to him. 1230 00:54:22,423 --> 00:54:24,425 He thought I was selling papers and magazines. 1231 00:54:24,458 --> 00:54:26,493 I never mentioned a trick to him at any time. 1232 00:54:26,527 --> 00:54:28,662 Him, my sister, my mother, anybody. 1233 00:54:28,695 --> 00:54:32,533 My little thing I was doing all by myself. (laughs) 1234 00:54:34,401 --> 00:54:38,004 (jazzy theatrical music) 1235 00:54:39,138 --> 00:54:41,175 Many years later, when Dr. Kinsey met me, 1236 00:54:41,208 --> 00:54:42,409 he'd already heard about me. 1237 00:54:44,244 --> 00:54:48,282 That's why he interviewed me about four, five or six times. 1238 00:54:49,115 --> 00:54:51,552 Kinsey was a zoologist, 1239 00:54:51,585 --> 00:54:54,321 and he started the Institute of Sex Research, 1240 00:54:54,354 --> 00:54:56,055 Indiana University in Bloomington. 1241 00:54:57,491 --> 00:54:59,560 - This research has been possible 1242 00:54:59,593 --> 00:55:03,095 because of tens of thousands of people who have cooperated. 1243 00:55:03,129 --> 00:55:05,432 - Scotty did play an academic role 1244 00:55:05,466 --> 00:55:07,234 in the sexual revolution in a way, 1245 00:55:07,267 --> 00:55:09,536 because he was the connective tissue 1246 00:55:09,570 --> 00:55:12,439 between the academic Kinsey 1247 00:55:12,473 --> 00:55:14,241 and the people who were doing it. 1248 00:55:14,274 --> 00:55:17,043 Scotty was a revelation to Kinsey. 1249 00:55:17,076 --> 00:55:18,512 - [Scotty] We became friends 1250 00:55:18,545 --> 00:55:20,347 and he liked interviewing me. 1251 00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:21,648 I was one of the only people 1252 00:55:21,682 --> 00:55:23,784 that completed interview from one end to the other, 1253 00:55:23,817 --> 00:55:25,652 meaning, had done everything. 1254 00:55:25,686 --> 00:55:27,019 It would always start out by saying, 1255 00:55:27,053 --> 00:55:28,522 "You ever had sex with a girl?" 1256 00:55:28,555 --> 00:55:29,590 Yes. 1257 00:55:29,623 --> 00:55:31,391 What did you do with, you know, doom, doom, doom. 1258 00:55:31,425 --> 00:55:32,226 How about with a guy? 1259 00:55:32,259 --> 00:55:33,059 Yes. 1260 00:55:33,092 --> 00:55:33,694 What did you do? 1261 00:55:33,727 --> 00:55:34,628 Everything? 1262 00:55:34,661 --> 00:55:35,562 How about with an animal? 1263 00:55:35,596 --> 00:55:36,497 Yes. 1264 00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:38,064 So whatever he had, I did. 1265 00:55:38,097 --> 00:55:40,701 And I got him, not only the best interviews he had, 1266 00:55:40,734 --> 00:55:43,770 I took him to gang bang parties and things like that, 1267 00:55:43,804 --> 00:55:46,540 and put him in a fucking bedroom and everybody fucking, 1268 00:55:46,573 --> 00:55:48,709 and mainly guys, and then, girls and guys. 1269 00:55:48,742 --> 00:55:50,711 And, and he'd be over there and I'd crawl over 1270 00:55:50,744 --> 00:55:52,346 and reach to see if he had a hard-on, 1271 00:55:52,379 --> 00:55:54,581 and he'd say, "Scotty, I'm just observing, you know that." 1272 00:55:54,615 --> 00:55:55,816 (laughs) 1273 00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:58,050 I think he had a hard-on watching. 1274 00:55:58,084 --> 00:56:01,488 (jazzy theatrical music) 1275 00:56:04,725 --> 00:56:06,393 - [Guard] Hi there. 1276 00:56:06,426 --> 00:56:08,094 - The name is Scott, Ellie Valiant Byron Clark's place. 1277 00:56:11,598 --> 00:56:13,567 (panting) 1278 00:56:15,736 --> 00:56:18,739 (people chattering) 1279 00:56:24,211 --> 00:56:25,546 I do a lot of bartending. 1280 00:56:25,579 --> 00:56:27,314 That looks full, but it's just the ice 1281 00:56:27,347 --> 00:56:28,448 that makes it look that. 1282 00:56:28,482 --> 00:56:31,285 And I started doing it, shortly after the gas station. 1283 00:56:32,553 --> 00:56:34,721 I left the gas station after about 10 years. 1284 00:56:34,755 --> 00:56:36,857 You know, the, the station got so busy, 1285 00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:38,592 and I thought, the vice squad 1286 00:56:38,625 --> 00:56:40,561 has got to get onto this eventually. 1287 00:56:41,628 --> 00:56:42,563 There's a vodka. 1288 00:56:42,596 --> 00:56:45,265 Even though I was in full swing of tricking, 1289 00:56:45,299 --> 00:56:47,200 people that I knew started, you know, 1290 00:56:47,234 --> 00:56:49,503 when, I'm having a party, why don't you tend bar for me, 1291 00:56:49,536 --> 00:56:50,337 things like that. 1292 00:56:50,370 --> 00:56:51,605 So I proceeded to that. 1293 00:56:51,638 --> 00:56:52,639 - Read your book. 1294 00:56:52,673 --> 00:56:53,674 You behaved yourself. 1295 00:56:53,707 --> 00:56:56,075 (laughs) 1296 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,148 - The desk needs cleaning, that's true. 1297 00:57:02,182 --> 00:57:05,352 But in the meantime, I know where things are, 1298 00:57:05,385 --> 00:57:07,654 and it's not exactly in file, 1299 00:57:07,688 --> 00:57:09,756 it's just written down on available space. 1300 00:57:09,790 --> 00:57:11,692 - [Matt] When you were writing down a trick, 1301 00:57:11,725 --> 00:57:12,659 it was the same thing? 1302 00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:14,294 - Yeah, but when I was writing down tricks, 1303 00:57:14,328 --> 00:57:16,530 I didn't, it wasn't lying around. 1304 00:57:16,563 --> 00:57:17,664 It was in my pocket, 1305 00:57:18,665 --> 00:57:20,567 and it was for the moment. 1306 00:57:20,601 --> 00:57:22,636 And the moment that was taken care of, 1307 00:57:22,669 --> 00:57:25,572 it was torn up and, really torn up and thrown away. 1308 00:57:25,606 --> 00:57:26,573 You follow what I mean? 1309 00:57:26,607 --> 00:57:28,140 - [Matt] So you did that because you were worried 1310 00:57:28,175 --> 00:57:29,376 Confidential might pick it up? 1311 00:57:29,409 --> 00:57:30,844 - 'Cause they could, those son of a bitches 1312 00:57:30,877 --> 00:57:32,179 went through garbage and everything, 1313 00:57:32,212 --> 00:57:33,145 you know what I'm talking about. 1314 00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:33,847 - [Matt] Confidential? 1315 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,182 - Oh, yeah. 1316 00:57:35,215 --> 00:57:39,586 ♪ You got to accentuate the positive ♪ 1317 00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:41,188 ♪ Eliminate the negative 1318 00:57:41,221 --> 00:57:42,689 - [Scotty] There was a paper much like the Enquirer, 1319 00:57:42,723 --> 00:57:44,424 called Confidential. 1320 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:47,628 Confidential was a red-hot thing 1321 00:57:47,661 --> 00:57:51,164 where they exposed anyone that was well-known that was gay. 1322 00:57:51,198 --> 00:57:53,634 ♪ You got to spread joy 1323 00:57:53,667 --> 00:57:55,335 ♪ Up to the maximum 1324 00:57:55,369 --> 00:57:56,937 ♪ Bring gloom down to the minimum ♪ 1325 00:57:56,970 --> 00:58:01,541 - I am going to file a $25 million libel suit 1326 00:58:01,575 --> 00:58:04,645 against Confidential Magazine. 1327 00:58:04,678 --> 00:58:06,213 - If it was written that you were gay 1328 00:58:06,246 --> 00:58:08,649 in Confidential Magazine, your career was over. 1329 00:58:09,983 --> 00:58:12,719 - Confidential came as close as you ever could 1330 00:58:12,753 --> 00:58:16,323 to toppling the whole house of cards here. 1331 00:58:16,356 --> 00:58:18,358 - [Scotty] Confidential came to me with stories 1332 00:58:18,392 --> 00:58:20,460 that they had already written and said, 1333 00:58:20,494 --> 00:58:21,962 you just have to sign the story 1334 00:58:21,995 --> 00:58:24,631 and say the story is true. 1335 00:58:24,665 --> 00:58:27,267 They'd hand you an envelope with $1,000 in, 1336 00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:29,603 and most people would've signed for $1,000. 1337 00:58:30,704 --> 00:58:34,608 One story was at Frank Sinatra's house in Palm Springs, 1338 00:58:35,876 --> 00:58:39,279 when I had a three-way with Ava Gardner and Lana Turner. 1339 00:58:41,682 --> 00:58:43,350 Ava Gardner and Lana Turner, 1340 00:58:43,383 --> 00:58:46,520 they were buddy-buddy in those days, you know? 1341 00:58:46,553 --> 00:58:47,954 They were a little stoned, 1342 00:58:47,988 --> 00:58:50,257 and they were in the pool in the nude, 1343 00:58:50,290 --> 00:58:52,526 and pretty soon we're in bed together. 1344 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:53,760 The word got around. 1345 00:58:53,794 --> 00:58:55,562 You know how the word gets around? 1346 00:58:55,595 --> 00:58:58,699 Confidential came to me with a story first, 1347 00:58:58,732 --> 00:59:00,333 and that's one they wanted me to sign 1348 00:59:00,367 --> 00:59:01,802 and I wouldn't sign it. 1349 00:59:01,835 --> 00:59:03,437 After I wouldn't sign it, 1350 00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:05,005 they grabbed two other guys who signed 1351 00:59:05,038 --> 00:59:06,573 and went for the money. 1352 00:59:07,541 --> 00:59:09,543 (slow bluesy music) 1353 00:59:09,576 --> 00:59:10,744 - He declined to do it. 1354 00:59:11,712 --> 00:59:13,747 I'm sure he could've used the money. 1355 00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:16,550 $1,000 was a lot more back then than it is now. 1356 00:59:17,484 --> 00:59:19,386 But his personal code of honor 1357 00:59:19,419 --> 00:59:20,721 prevented him from doing that. 1358 00:59:25,826 --> 00:59:26,660 - Hello, baby. 1359 00:59:27,627 --> 00:59:28,762 Hi sweetheart. 1360 00:59:28,795 --> 00:59:29,996 That's a pretty kitty. 1361 00:59:30,030 --> 00:59:31,832 Just look at that pretty little thing. 1362 00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:38,672 Chicken dinner, tender chicken dinner. 1363 00:59:38,705 --> 00:59:41,341 Gotta get some of that. (laughs) 1364 00:59:42,442 --> 00:59:44,778 Tender chicken dinner for my kitties. 1365 00:59:51,051 --> 00:59:52,452 Look at the size of that cat food. 1366 00:59:52,486 --> 00:59:53,787 It's a little bitty thing, 1367 00:59:54,955 --> 00:59:57,924 and that particular thing was $1.69 plus tax. 1368 00:59:57,958 --> 00:59:59,760 That's fucking you when they charge you that much 1369 00:59:59,793 --> 01:00:01,962 for a little bitty can of food like that. 1370 01:00:01,995 --> 01:00:02,896 I always, when I go over there, 1371 01:00:02,929 --> 01:00:04,664 I always throw a couple, three in my pocket 1372 01:00:04,698 --> 01:00:05,899 for my little kitty, you know. 1373 01:00:05,932 --> 01:00:07,768 And, all she does when you open it is, 1374 01:00:07,801 --> 01:00:09,369 lick the moisture off of it, 1375 01:00:09,402 --> 01:00:10,570 eat a couple of little bites, 1376 01:00:10,604 --> 01:00:12,706 and then I put the rest out for the skunks. 1377 01:00:19,846 --> 01:00:22,849 Do you want me to show you that picture? 1378 01:00:22,883 --> 01:00:23,717 - [Matt] Sure. 1379 01:00:26,553 --> 01:00:29,089 - Baby was a wonderful little doggie 1380 01:00:29,122 --> 01:00:30,891 that came to the house. 1381 01:00:30,924 --> 01:00:32,859 She just all of a sudden appeared one day 1382 01:00:32,893 --> 01:00:35,595 and she was my baby from then on. 1383 01:00:46,139 --> 01:00:48,041 Oh, here I got a book I wanna show you. 1384 01:00:49,843 --> 01:00:52,345 This is by Cecil Beaton. 1385 01:00:52,379 --> 01:00:55,682 He liked to be called Cecil, you know. (laughs) 1386 01:00:55,715 --> 01:00:57,517 Cecil was very grand, you know. 1387 01:00:57,551 --> 01:01:00,053 "Don't call me Cee-cil, the name is Sesille." 1388 01:01:00,086 --> 01:01:01,588 He's a great photographer, 1389 01:01:01,621 --> 01:01:03,557 and he photographed the Royal family. 1390 01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:05,792 And somebody gave me this and I'm in it. 1391 01:01:07,861 --> 01:01:08,862 There it is, Scotty. 1392 01:01:09,896 --> 01:01:11,865 "Scotty is a phenomenon. 1393 01:01:11,898 --> 01:01:12,799 "I heard several years ago 1394 01:01:12,833 --> 01:01:14,601 "that the police had caught up with him, 1395 01:01:14,634 --> 01:01:17,637 "that he quit his racket and was out of the running. 1396 01:01:17,671 --> 01:01:20,874 "This is a blow to me 'cause I'm very fond of him. 1397 01:01:20,907 --> 01:01:23,476 "But no, Scotty appeared among the bushes 1398 01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:26,112 "at a Beverly Hills bungalows with his smiling 1399 01:01:26,146 --> 01:01:27,848 "and trimmed form as ever. 1400 01:01:29,015 --> 01:01:31,918 "He still continues his nefarious activities." 1401 01:01:33,086 --> 01:01:35,889 - [Matt] It's like you were hiding in plain sight. 1402 01:01:35,922 --> 01:01:37,624 You were always very discreet. 1403 01:01:38,592 --> 01:01:40,160 - No, but it was just like, Matt, 1404 01:01:40,194 --> 01:01:43,597 when I took people to see Wally and Edward, 1405 01:01:44,497 --> 01:01:45,999 I never told one person, 1406 01:01:46,032 --> 01:01:47,968 even though they were close buddies. 1407 01:01:48,001 --> 01:01:50,103 And they were seeing the Duke and Duchess. 1408 01:01:51,538 --> 01:01:53,874 When I met the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, 1409 01:01:53,907 --> 01:01:56,409 he said, "You came so highly recommended. 1410 01:01:56,443 --> 01:01:59,579 "Cecil Beaton's told me about you numerous times." 1411 01:01:59,613 --> 01:02:02,616 And he said, "I feel that I know you." 1412 01:02:02,649 --> 01:02:06,553 - The Duchess and I are actually very glad 1413 01:02:06,586 --> 01:02:08,722 to set foot in America again. 1414 01:02:10,891 --> 01:02:12,692 - My friend was a manager of the Beverly Hills Hotel, 1415 01:02:12,726 --> 01:02:13,960 so I would get a bungalow 1416 01:02:13,994 --> 01:02:15,695 at the Beverly Hills Hotel for a whole week, 1417 01:02:15,729 --> 01:02:17,664 and then flood them with people. 1418 01:02:17,697 --> 01:02:19,132 As you know, the bungalows there, even today, 1419 01:02:19,166 --> 01:02:21,101 you can walk straight into from the street. 1420 01:02:21,134 --> 01:02:22,836 It was easy to get people in and out 1421 01:02:22,869 --> 01:02:24,971 and never ask who was there at all. 1422 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,475 Two at a time, sometimes three at a time, 1423 01:02:28,508 --> 01:02:30,143 but usually two at a time. 1424 01:02:30,177 --> 01:02:32,145 Maybe I'd bring a guy and a girl or both; 1425 01:02:32,179 --> 01:02:35,148 a girl for her, a guy for him. 1426 01:02:35,182 --> 01:02:38,084 He'd like to see guys and girls together, 1427 01:02:38,118 --> 01:02:40,887 and then, sort of work his way in. 1428 01:02:40,921 --> 01:02:43,924 And when a guy wants to see a guy and girl together, 1429 01:02:43,957 --> 01:02:46,092 they're usually gay or have tendency of being gay, 1430 01:02:46,126 --> 01:02:47,093 because if they were straight, 1431 01:02:47,127 --> 01:02:48,995 why would they want the guy? 1432 01:02:49,029 --> 01:02:50,697 She's the one that would do the talking. 1433 01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:52,532 He'd sit there this whole time and not say a word, 1434 01:02:52,565 --> 01:02:54,134 he was very shy and bashful. 1435 01:02:54,168 --> 01:02:56,469 She's the one that would say we're gonna do this, 1436 01:02:56,503 --> 01:02:57,804 we're gonna do that, we'll suck his cock. 1437 01:02:57,837 --> 01:02:58,638 Do this, do that. 1438 01:02:58,672 --> 01:02:59,906 You know what I mean? 1439 01:02:59,940 --> 01:03:02,509 I mean, you know, she was a real ballsy chick. 1440 01:03:02,542 --> 01:03:04,678 But they thought what I did 1441 01:03:04,711 --> 01:03:07,047 was the nicest thing that ever happened to them. 1442 01:03:08,282 --> 01:03:11,551 If Eddie and them were around now, and Ronnie, 1443 01:03:11,584 --> 01:03:13,687 I might tell them now, now the book is out, 1444 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:14,988 "That was, that was them that you saw 1445 01:03:15,021 --> 01:03:16,456 "at the Beverly Hills Hotel." 1446 01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:28,235 (birds chirping) 1447 01:03:28,269 --> 01:03:31,638 It just, it seems like I just keep adding. 1448 01:03:31,671 --> 01:03:32,973 You know, I'd come in, I'd throw this there, 1449 01:03:33,006 --> 01:03:35,041 and this there, and... 1450 01:03:35,075 --> 01:03:36,910 - [Matt] Do you still work at the desk or is-- 1451 01:03:36,943 --> 01:03:38,645 - No, I can't get to the desk now. 1452 01:03:39,713 --> 01:03:41,114 I'll eventually get there again. 1453 01:03:44,017 --> 01:03:45,785 Look how pretty that tiger is. 1454 01:03:45,819 --> 01:03:47,721 It just came in, someone brought it in, 1455 01:03:47,754 --> 01:03:48,922 at Out of the Closet, 1456 01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:49,956 and I said, "How much?" 1457 01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:51,524 And he said three bucks. 1458 01:03:53,059 --> 01:03:54,961 It looks kind of real, doesn't it? 1459 01:03:56,896 --> 01:03:58,299 - It's horrible. 1460 01:03:58,332 --> 01:04:01,101 We just can't live like this. 1461 01:04:01,134 --> 01:04:02,236 It's dangerous. 1462 01:04:03,570 --> 01:04:04,771 I was talking about getting help, 1463 01:04:04,804 --> 01:04:06,173 but you can't get help until you cleaned, 1464 01:04:06,207 --> 01:04:08,309 had the house cleaned out. 1465 01:04:08,342 --> 01:04:12,045 And one way to do it is to call Social Services. 1466 01:04:12,078 --> 01:04:14,848 It would be considered elder abuse for him 1467 01:04:14,881 --> 01:04:16,082 to make it dangerous for me 1468 01:04:16,116 --> 01:04:17,984 to walk through the house every day. 1469 01:04:19,286 --> 01:04:20,587 And I can't do that. 1470 01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:26,559 - All these bags here are new. 1471 01:04:26,593 --> 01:04:28,762 - [Matt] Do you think that it's compulsive? 1472 01:04:29,929 --> 01:04:31,698 - You see, if you don't have control, 1473 01:04:31,731 --> 01:04:33,066 the world will fall apart. 1474 01:04:33,099 --> 01:04:35,269 And I'm sure the war did this to him. 1475 01:04:35,302 --> 01:04:37,837 - [Matt] Do you think Scotty could've used some therapy? 1476 01:04:37,871 --> 01:04:39,806 - No, I don't know that that would've done any good 1477 01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:41,875 because he doesn't believe in it. 1478 01:04:41,908 --> 01:04:43,210 But normally that's, 1479 01:04:43,244 --> 01:04:44,944 should've been with all-- - I'm the one that, 1480 01:04:44,978 --> 01:04:46,112 I'm the one that gives therapy to people. 1481 01:04:46,146 --> 01:04:47,881 I don't need therapy. 1482 01:04:47,914 --> 01:04:49,115 (both laugh) 1483 01:04:49,149 --> 01:04:50,950 - [Matt] A lot of people would say 1484 01:04:50,984 --> 01:04:53,787 what you did all your life was wrong. 1485 01:04:53,820 --> 01:04:54,954 - You're kidding? 1486 01:04:54,988 --> 01:04:58,124 I mean I, I think it was right. 1487 01:04:58,158 --> 01:05:00,593 - [Matt] Probably because you were damaged 1488 01:05:00,627 --> 01:05:02,128 when you were a child. 1489 01:05:02,162 --> 01:05:03,163 - Oh, yeah, bullshit. 1490 01:05:03,197 --> 01:05:06,633 I mean, that, that's damage, but hey. (laughs) 1491 01:05:06,666 --> 01:05:07,967 - [Matt] Someone needed to tell you 1492 01:05:08,001 --> 01:05:10,036 that you were traumatized. 1493 01:05:10,070 --> 01:05:12,005 - I did what I did because I wanted to do it 1494 01:05:12,038 --> 01:05:13,307 and knew what I was doing 1495 01:05:13,340 --> 01:05:15,041 and it wasn't a case of accidentally or anything. 1496 01:05:16,243 --> 01:05:18,144 Anything you do, you best better blame yourself 1497 01:05:18,179 --> 01:05:19,380 and forget that bullshit of coming up 1498 01:05:19,413 --> 01:05:21,014 and blaming someone else. - But you don't. 1499 01:05:21,047 --> 01:05:22,849 - No, I don't blame someone else for anything. 1500 01:05:22,882 --> 01:05:24,117 - [Lois] You don't blame yourself, either. 1501 01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:25,151 - I don't blame myself. 1502 01:05:25,186 --> 01:05:25,952 I've done nothing wrong. 1503 01:05:25,985 --> 01:05:27,020 Why do I blame myself? 1504 01:05:44,671 --> 01:05:46,307 Today, tomorrow, and forever. 1505 01:05:46,340 --> 01:05:47,740 Bette and Scotty. 1506 01:05:48,975 --> 01:05:50,244 - [Matt] You and Bette never married. 1507 01:05:50,277 --> 01:05:52,112 Did she change her name to Bowers? 1508 01:05:52,145 --> 01:05:54,215 - Oh, yeah, she changed it to Bowers. 1509 01:05:57,150 --> 01:06:00,787 When I was in Seattle, before I was discharged, 1510 01:06:00,820 --> 01:06:03,224 I met Bette in town at the Olympic Hotel. 1511 01:06:05,725 --> 01:06:08,362 It naturally brings back memories, you know. 1512 01:06:08,395 --> 01:06:10,930 - [Matt] Good ones or bad ones? 1513 01:06:10,964 --> 01:06:12,233 - Oh no, they were good ones. 1514 01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:16,769 Of course, I'd naturally get pictures of Bette like that. 1515 01:06:16,803 --> 01:06:18,738 (laughs) 1516 01:06:18,771 --> 01:06:22,209 A lot of romances turn cold as you know what I mean. 1517 01:06:22,243 --> 01:06:23,943 But at the time it was great. 1518 01:06:25,979 --> 01:06:27,214 No, Bette was a good Joe. 1519 01:06:27,248 --> 01:06:28,715 Son of a bitch, she was. 1520 01:06:30,384 --> 01:06:33,853 It's just a shame that I was not a one-person person. 1521 01:06:33,887 --> 01:06:35,955 I had too many things to do. 1522 01:06:35,989 --> 01:06:37,023 If anyone was to blame 1523 01:06:37,056 --> 01:06:41,094 for not making it work over the years, it was me, 1524 01:06:41,127 --> 01:06:43,096 because I wasn't a stay-at-home person. 1525 01:06:43,129 --> 01:06:44,198 You know what I mean? 1526 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,800 - [Matt] Did she know you were doing tricks? 1527 01:06:47,834 --> 01:06:49,436 - Even though I didn't sit and discuss it with her, 1528 01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:53,006 she'd have to know because I was so busy doing that. 1529 01:06:54,275 --> 01:06:57,677 You know, I bought the house up on St. Andrews for Bette. 1530 01:06:59,213 --> 01:07:01,215 I'd saved my money from tricking. 1531 01:07:01,248 --> 01:07:02,715 Stash it away, you know. 1532 01:07:04,784 --> 01:07:07,221 You gotta see my nice new roof here, baby. 1533 01:07:07,254 --> 01:07:09,055 In 52 years, it only had two roofs. 1534 01:07:09,088 --> 01:07:10,391 So this will be the third one. 1535 01:07:12,025 --> 01:07:14,994 I put this fucking roof on 52 years ago by myself. 1536 01:07:16,162 --> 01:07:19,065 Bette and I, we just bought the house for $22,000 1537 01:07:19,098 --> 01:07:20,334 and she and my little daughter 1538 01:07:20,367 --> 01:07:21,935 were very excited to come here. 1539 01:07:21,968 --> 01:07:24,271 We only lived a short distance away from here. 1540 01:07:25,539 --> 01:07:28,141 I mean, I was always in the neighborhood here. 1541 01:07:28,175 --> 01:07:29,243 And we-- 1542 01:07:29,276 --> 01:07:31,278 - [Matt] Did you guys go out to dinner to celebrate? 1543 01:07:31,312 --> 01:07:34,047 - Oh no, I went out and turned a couple of tricks. 1544 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,148 I was, you know, I was busy. 1545 01:07:35,182 --> 01:07:37,016 I didn't do that fucking dinner bit. 1546 01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:38,285 When you're busy, you're busy. 1547 01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:40,153 And I was busy every day and every night. 1548 01:07:40,187 --> 01:07:42,256 I didn't have, which I'm sorry to say, 1549 01:07:42,289 --> 01:07:43,790 I didn't have time to do that. 1550 01:07:45,892 --> 01:07:47,160 - [Matt] You're sorry to say? 1551 01:07:47,194 --> 01:07:48,094 You wished you could have? 1552 01:07:48,127 --> 01:07:49,530 - Well, I should have, I guess, 1553 01:07:49,563 --> 01:07:52,266 spent more time with them, which I didn't. 1554 01:07:52,299 --> 01:07:54,067 I don't know, maybe, maybe I did take her 1555 01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:56,203 out to dinner on her birthday once. 1556 01:07:56,237 --> 01:07:57,904 (laughs) Once. 1557 01:07:57,937 --> 01:07:59,206 Maybe I did once. 1558 01:08:06,547 --> 01:08:08,482 It was very nice to have a pretty little baby. 1559 01:08:08,515 --> 01:08:10,451 She was a good girl. 1560 01:08:10,484 --> 01:08:12,286 This was Donna's little room here. 1561 01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:14,355 Donna's clothes are still in the closet. 1562 01:08:14,388 --> 01:08:17,924 And she went to school and never missed a day, 1563 01:08:17,957 --> 01:08:20,194 and went from grammar school to high school 1564 01:08:20,227 --> 01:08:22,161 at Hollywood High, and then to college, 1565 01:08:22,196 --> 01:08:23,930 and finished college, and, 1566 01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:26,400 and then she died. 1567 01:08:29,236 --> 01:08:31,070 Here's a picture of her here, too. 1568 01:08:31,104 --> 01:08:33,106 She had an abortion. 1569 01:08:33,139 --> 01:08:36,976 And within three or four days after having the abortion, 1570 01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:38,911 she went into a coma and never came out. 1571 01:08:38,945 --> 01:08:41,114 She had an abortion by some, 1572 01:08:41,147 --> 01:08:43,883 obviously, quack doctor back in those days, you know. 1573 01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:46,220 And she was 23. 1574 01:08:47,887 --> 01:08:50,524 (slow soft music) 1575 01:08:52,158 --> 01:08:55,362 And her phone is still there with the same number. (laughs) 1576 01:08:56,330 --> 01:08:58,265 I didn't go around saying anything. 1577 01:08:58,299 --> 01:09:00,200 Within an hour after I learned she died, 1578 01:09:00,234 --> 01:09:04,003 I'm on my way to Malibu to a party with a carload of guys. 1579 01:09:04,037 --> 01:09:07,840 I was 100% dependable, reliable, whatever you wanna call it, 1580 01:09:07,874 --> 01:09:09,942 regardless of what it was. 1581 01:09:09,976 --> 01:09:11,211 None of that bullshit: 1582 01:09:11,245 --> 01:09:12,579 It's too cold today, it's raining today, 1583 01:09:12,613 --> 01:09:14,315 or whatever might happen. 1584 01:09:14,348 --> 01:09:17,584 If I told someone I was gonna be there, I'd be there. 1585 01:09:17,618 --> 01:09:20,421 I never said anything to anyone about what had happened. 1586 01:09:22,088 --> 01:09:24,924 - A number of people deal, deal with grief that way. 1587 01:09:24,957 --> 01:09:29,062 They stay on their regular path, keep your regular routine. 1588 01:09:31,465 --> 01:09:36,470 (birds chirping) (slow soft music) 1589 01:09:42,141 --> 01:09:45,412 - I want to get somebody to trim all the trees over there, 1590 01:09:45,446 --> 01:09:48,482 the bushes over here, this thing. 1591 01:09:48,515 --> 01:09:49,882 - I'm gonna cut that. - Uh huh. 1592 01:09:49,916 --> 01:09:51,385 - Soon as my arm is better, 1593 01:09:51,418 --> 01:09:52,519 I'll cut that. - Yeah, sure. 1594 01:09:53,487 --> 01:09:54,153 I'm gonna hire somebody. 1595 01:09:54,188 --> 01:09:55,489 - No you aren't. - Yes I am. 1596 01:09:55,522 --> 01:09:56,923 - No you aren't. - Yes I am. 1597 01:09:56,956 --> 01:09:57,558 - [Scotty] Oh, no. 1598 01:09:57,591 --> 01:09:58,991 Are you kidding? 1599 01:09:59,025 --> 01:10:01,328 I can do it far better than they can do it. 1600 01:10:01,362 --> 01:10:04,864 (soft bluesy piano music) 1601 01:10:08,134 --> 01:10:11,305 - You know, they've asked me why do I stay. 1602 01:10:11,338 --> 01:10:12,439 'Cause I love him. 1603 01:10:12,473 --> 01:10:14,241 And somebody asked me why, and I said, I don't know, 1604 01:10:14,274 --> 01:10:16,243 it's just, you just do. 1605 01:10:17,678 --> 01:10:20,980 And, mainly because of the way he is, 1606 01:10:21,013 --> 01:10:25,084 his sense of humor, his warmth, his caring. 1607 01:10:25,118 --> 01:10:26,320 You know, they don't just go 1608 01:10:26,353 --> 01:10:31,525 to the profession he chose years ago, they go into life. 1609 01:10:32,393 --> 01:10:33,394 He likes to make people happy, 1610 01:10:33,427 --> 01:10:36,663 but I see it as a terrific need. 1611 01:10:38,298 --> 01:10:41,268 It must be a chore to have to want everybody to be happy. 1612 01:10:43,470 --> 01:10:44,937 - [Matt] But you didn't know until the book, 1613 01:10:44,971 --> 01:10:47,441 to what lengths Scotty went to make people happy. 1614 01:10:47,474 --> 01:10:50,477 - (laughs) No, no I didn't. 1615 01:10:50,511 --> 01:10:53,647 (people chattering) 1616 01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,648 - [Woman] Oh my god. 1617 01:10:54,681 --> 01:10:59,553 ♪ Happy birthday to you 1618 01:11:00,487 --> 01:11:05,325 ♪ Happy birthday to you 1619 01:11:06,226 --> 01:11:10,631 ♪ Happy birthday, dear Scotty 1620 01:11:12,999 --> 01:11:16,336 ♪ Happy birthday to you 1621 01:11:19,273 --> 01:11:22,108 (crowd cheering) 1622 01:11:27,113 --> 01:11:29,115 - Clever, the way they'd made that phone, wasn't it? 1623 01:11:29,148 --> 01:11:32,553 (laughs) That was good. 1624 01:11:41,728 --> 01:11:43,597 I even had a card from my sister 1625 01:11:43,630 --> 01:11:45,299 as recently as two days ago. 1626 01:11:46,533 --> 01:11:48,067 From my sister, it says, 1627 01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,703 "Happy birthday, brother. 1628 01:11:49,736 --> 01:11:51,538 "Remember how I used to tease you 1629 01:11:52,739 --> 01:11:54,441 "and it really got on your nerves?" 1630 01:11:54,475 --> 01:11:55,642 And you open that fucking card, 1631 01:11:55,676 --> 01:11:58,412 it's upside down and it said, 1632 01:11:58,445 --> 01:12:00,414 "I'm not finished yet, have a good one. 1633 01:12:00,447 --> 01:12:02,483 "Loads of love, Phyllis and Barney." 1634 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,555 (phone ringing) 1635 01:12:08,589 --> 01:12:09,456 - [Phyllis] Hello? 1636 01:12:09,490 --> 01:12:10,791 - Hello? - Yeah, hello? 1637 01:12:10,824 --> 01:12:11,758 - [Scotty] It's me. 1638 01:12:12,726 --> 01:12:13,527 - [Phyllis] Okay. 1639 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:14,761 - How are you? 1640 01:12:14,795 --> 01:12:16,230 - [Phyllis] I'm, I'm good, George. 1641 01:12:16,263 --> 01:12:17,063 How are you? 1642 01:12:17,096 --> 01:12:17,997 - What happened to you? 1643 01:12:19,166 --> 01:12:20,367 - [Phyllis] Well, I just fell down 1644 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,437 and they picked me up and I'm over here 1645 01:12:23,470 --> 01:12:25,137 in the nursing home right now. 1646 01:12:25,172 --> 01:12:26,573 - But you're going home, though? 1647 01:12:26,607 --> 01:12:28,408 - [Phyllis] Well, not for a week. 1648 01:12:28,442 --> 01:12:30,477 - [Scotty] Is there anything you need at all? 1649 01:12:30,511 --> 01:12:31,411 - [Phyllis] No, not really. 1650 01:12:31,445 --> 01:12:33,480 Just to hear from you sounded wonderful. 1651 01:12:33,514 --> 01:12:35,616 - I'll call you back again tomorrow. 1652 01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:37,684 (phone dialing) 1653 01:12:37,718 --> 01:12:38,819 Dale. 1654 01:12:38,852 --> 01:12:39,653 - [Dale] Yeah? 1655 01:12:39,686 --> 01:12:40,821 - Scotty. 1656 01:12:40,854 --> 01:12:41,755 Well, you, you mentioned that book, 1657 01:12:41,788 --> 01:12:43,190 that book, I had forgotten 1658 01:12:43,223 --> 01:12:45,325 about that book you've talked to me about. 1659 01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:46,293 - [Dale] Uh-huh. 1660 01:12:46,326 --> 01:12:47,394 Yeah, Full Service? - Full Service, yeah. 1661 01:12:47,427 --> 01:12:49,161 - [Dale] Yeah, it was, that was a pretty good book. 1662 01:12:49,196 --> 01:12:50,364 - Well, hey. 1663 01:12:50,397 --> 01:12:52,232 Well, don't give it to your mom 'cause it'll upset her. 1664 01:12:52,266 --> 01:12:53,433 You know what I mean? 1665 01:12:53,467 --> 01:12:55,569 - [Dale] Oh, no, well, I, I already did. 1666 01:12:58,338 --> 01:12:59,540 - She's upset over what? 1667 01:13:10,517 --> 01:13:12,686 - That's why I said, don't show it to her. 1668 01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:13,520 - [Dale] Yeah. 1669 01:13:13,554 --> 01:13:15,154 Yeah, I won't show it to her again. 1670 01:13:15,188 --> 01:13:16,323 - [Scotty] Now don't forget that, okay? 1671 01:13:16,356 --> 01:13:17,324 - [Dale] No, I won't. 1672 01:13:17,357 --> 01:13:18,458 - [Scotty] Okay, baby. 1673 01:13:19,293 --> 01:13:22,296 (people chattering) 1674 01:13:25,198 --> 01:13:26,098 - Was there ever any discussion 1675 01:13:26,132 --> 01:13:28,468 about the need for subterfuge 1676 01:13:28,502 --> 01:13:30,871 and to leave the life in the closet? 1677 01:13:30,904 --> 01:13:33,740 Or was it just something that everyone knew? 1678 01:13:33,774 --> 01:13:35,475 - It's just the way it was then. 1679 01:13:35,509 --> 01:13:37,811 They had to play it very cool, you know? 1680 01:13:39,145 --> 01:13:41,615 - What, what can you say about, if anything, 1681 01:13:41,648 --> 01:13:43,283 about Katherine Hepburn? 1682 01:13:43,317 --> 01:13:45,586 - [Scotty] Katherine Hepburn would've liked you. 1683 01:13:45,619 --> 01:13:48,188 (group laughs) 1684 01:13:48,221 --> 01:13:50,257 And Katherine Hepburn was not really nice 1685 01:13:50,290 --> 01:13:52,124 to Spencer Tracy, you know? 1686 01:13:52,158 --> 01:13:52,859 - Because? 1687 01:13:52,893 --> 01:13:54,695 You have any idea why that was? 1688 01:13:54,728 --> 01:13:56,563 Because he was married, or what? 1689 01:13:56,597 --> 01:13:58,265 - [Scotty] No. 1690 01:13:58,298 --> 01:13:59,566 They were merely friends, 1691 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,603 and they were in business together, show business. 1692 01:14:02,636 --> 01:14:06,173 And they were not in the bed department together at all. 1693 01:14:06,206 --> 01:14:07,407 - Never? - Never. 1694 01:14:09,543 --> 01:14:13,145 (soft theatrical music) 1695 01:14:14,848 --> 01:14:17,684 All these movie magazines sold a story. 1696 01:14:18,619 --> 01:14:20,387 And that's why so many square people say, 1697 01:14:20,420 --> 01:14:21,655 "Oh, I thought they were lovers," you know. 1698 01:14:21,688 --> 01:14:25,192 And I said, "Well, they, they weren't, but it sounds good." 1699 01:14:26,627 --> 01:14:28,629 - The story of Hepburn and Tracy 1700 01:14:28,662 --> 01:14:30,397 is one of the best examples 1701 01:14:30,430 --> 01:14:32,599 of Hollywood crafting a public image. 1702 01:14:34,401 --> 01:14:35,902 George Cukor directed some of the, 1703 01:14:35,936 --> 01:14:38,472 the greatest Hepburn/Tracy films. 1704 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,276 Spencer Tracy lived on the grounds at George Cukor's house, 1705 01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:44,845 but he was still married to his wife, 1706 01:14:44,878 --> 01:14:46,713 who, who he loved very much, 1707 01:14:46,747 --> 01:14:48,348 and there's always been the presumption 1708 01:14:48,382 --> 01:14:49,716 that he and Hepburn lived together 1709 01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:51,551 in that little, little cottage. 1710 01:14:51,585 --> 01:14:53,286 In fact, they did not live together. 1711 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,923 There was another cottage that, where Hepburn lived. 1712 01:14:56,957 --> 01:14:59,326 Hepburn in later years tried to make it seem 1713 01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:01,595 as if they were living in a cottage together 1714 01:15:01,628 --> 01:15:04,531 sharing a household like man and wife. 1715 01:15:04,564 --> 01:15:07,367 - Remember that night when, oh, I don't know, 1716 01:15:07,401 --> 01:15:09,569 you felt so disturbed and I said, 1717 01:15:09,603 --> 01:15:10,804 "Well, go on in. 1718 01:15:10,837 --> 01:15:13,206 "Go to bed, I'll talk you to sleep. 1719 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,208 "I'll just talk and talk and 1720 01:15:15,242 --> 01:15:17,844 "you'll be so bored, you're bound to drift off." 1721 01:15:17,878 --> 01:15:19,246 - It was not that way. 1722 01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:20,480 They were not living together. 1723 01:15:20,514 --> 01:15:21,715 They never lived together. 1724 01:15:22,716 --> 01:15:24,418 (slow soft theatrical music) 1725 01:15:24,451 --> 01:15:28,455 - She was a designer of her own legend. 1726 01:15:28,488 --> 01:15:32,659 And she had several fervent relationships 1727 01:15:32,693 --> 01:15:35,662 with talented other women. 1728 01:15:35,696 --> 01:15:39,833 She was very guarded about what she did. 1729 01:15:41,735 --> 01:15:44,705 - [Scotty] George kind of told Katherine Hepburn 1730 01:15:44,738 --> 01:15:48,742 early in the game what I did, you know, in a way. 1731 01:15:48,775 --> 01:15:50,610 Then, I could see running it through her head, 1732 01:15:50,644 --> 01:15:52,012 well if he fixes up guys, 1733 01:15:52,045 --> 01:15:53,513 he should be able to fix up girls too. 1734 01:15:53,547 --> 01:15:54,781 With a girl, you know what I mean? 1735 01:15:54,815 --> 01:15:56,983 I could see that. (laughs) 1736 01:15:57,017 --> 01:15:59,686 I fixed her up with every bit of 150 girls. 1737 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:01,822 And people says, "How would she see that many?" 1738 01:16:01,855 --> 01:16:03,690 I said, this was over a period of 39 years, 1739 01:16:03,724 --> 01:16:05,459 that's almost 50 years. 1740 01:16:05,492 --> 01:16:07,260 I mean, that's not unusual at all. 1741 01:16:08,462 --> 01:16:09,563 - [William] The traditional image 1742 01:16:09,596 --> 01:16:11,732 is that Tracy bullied Hepburn. 1743 01:16:11,765 --> 01:16:13,633 This was not true. 1744 01:16:13,667 --> 01:16:14,701 - Ow! 1745 01:16:14,735 --> 01:16:15,736 What are you doing? 1746 01:16:15,769 --> 01:16:17,337 - Testing. 1747 01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:18,672 - She wouldn't have tolerated that kind of behavior 1748 01:16:18,705 --> 01:16:19,606 from anyone. 1749 01:16:19,639 --> 01:16:21,742 I began to understand that if, in fact, 1750 01:16:21,775 --> 01:16:24,511 there were conflicts between Hepburn and Tracy, 1751 01:16:24,544 --> 01:16:25,712 they went both ways. 1752 01:16:25,746 --> 01:16:27,681 And she was not happy about his drinking 1753 01:16:27,714 --> 01:16:29,649 or his friendship with Scotty. 1754 01:16:29,683 --> 01:16:32,819 Scotty would come down to Cukor's house, 1755 01:16:32,853 --> 01:16:34,721 specifically to see Spencer Tracy. 1756 01:16:36,356 --> 01:16:38,358 - I'd get a ride there at five o'clock in the evening. 1757 01:16:38,391 --> 01:16:39,826 At two o'clock in the morning, 1758 01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:42,362 I'm still sitting at the kitchen table listening to him talk 1759 01:16:42,395 --> 01:16:43,396 and going (mumbles), 1760 01:16:44,798 --> 01:16:46,733 and I'd better go to bed now 1761 01:16:46,767 --> 01:16:48,435 and he'd get up and almost fall, 1762 01:16:48,468 --> 01:16:50,504 and he'd put his arm around me and we would go to bed. 1763 01:16:51,872 --> 01:16:53,774 But then the next morning, he would always say, 1764 01:16:53,807 --> 01:16:55,642 "Geez, I must've gotten drunk last night. 1765 01:16:55,675 --> 01:16:57,577 "You were so nice to stay." 1766 01:16:57,611 --> 01:17:00,413 Just like nothing ever happened, it was always the same. 1767 01:17:01,882 --> 01:17:03,550 He really didn't want to be gay, 1768 01:17:03,583 --> 01:17:06,753 or admit to himself he might possibly be. 1769 01:17:06,787 --> 01:17:08,889 And so the best way is not to admit it, right? 1770 01:17:10,056 --> 01:17:12,759 - Uh, (laughs) I can't handle this in my head, 1771 01:17:12,793 --> 01:17:13,994 it, it rocks me. 1772 01:17:15,695 --> 01:17:20,600 - The ironic thing is that it was somehow more acceptable 1773 01:17:20,634 --> 01:17:25,639 to the general public to be in an adulterous relationship 1774 01:17:26,473 --> 01:17:27,808 than it was to be gay or lesbian. 1775 01:17:29,543 --> 01:17:33,847 - But the whole thing about being gay in Hollywood, 1776 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,851 if you played along, you were okay. 1777 01:17:37,884 --> 01:17:40,720 The studio executives did not really care 1778 01:17:40,754 --> 01:17:42,489 if someone was gay or not. 1779 01:17:42,522 --> 01:17:44,958 They only cared about your public persona. 1780 01:17:45,992 --> 01:17:48,595 You know, in Hollywood, everyone knew 1781 01:17:48,628 --> 01:17:49,930 that Rock Hudson was gay. 1782 01:17:49,963 --> 01:17:51,798 - [Announcer] Rock Hudson, selected 1783 01:17:51,832 --> 01:17:53,800 as the Most Popular Film Actor of the Year. 1784 01:17:53,834 --> 01:17:55,769 This is the second year in a row 1785 01:17:55,802 --> 01:17:56,937 that Mr. Hudson has been picked 1786 01:17:56,970 --> 01:17:59,873 by Modern Screen as Most Popular Actor. 1787 01:17:59,906 --> 01:18:03,743 - But, his sexuality became really a problem 1788 01:18:03,777 --> 01:18:07,781 when Life Magazine had done a cover story on him. 1789 01:18:07,814 --> 01:18:10,917 It said that he was approaching 30 years old 1790 01:18:10,951 --> 01:18:13,486 and it was about time for him to get married, 1791 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:14,754 and if he didn't get married, 1792 01:18:14,788 --> 01:18:17,858 he needed to tell his fans why. 1793 01:18:17,891 --> 01:18:19,526 And like, a month or two later, 1794 01:18:19,559 --> 01:18:22,762 he married his agent's secretary, Phyllis Gates. 1795 01:18:23,997 --> 01:18:25,398 - [Scotty] And of course, Rock was gay, 1796 01:18:25,432 --> 01:18:27,834 Phyllis was gay, and nothing happened. 1797 01:18:27,868 --> 01:18:31,538 - It became kind of an open joke in Hollywood. 1798 01:18:31,571 --> 01:18:34,908 Everyone kind of knew that this was an arranged marriage, 1799 01:18:34,941 --> 01:18:37,777 but it was very important to sell that myth. 1800 01:18:37,811 --> 01:18:40,046 It was about reflecting back 1801 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,849 a very traditional middle-class, 1802 01:18:42,883 --> 01:18:44,885 middle America viewpoint. 1803 01:18:46,052 --> 01:18:48,788 The truth of that was, was something very, very different. 1804 01:18:52,559 --> 01:18:55,395 (traffic humming) 1805 01:18:58,498 --> 01:18:59,799 - Oh, that and that's the book? 1806 01:18:59,833 --> 01:19:00,634 Jesus. 1807 01:19:00,667 --> 01:19:02,836 Introduction by Scotty Bowers with, 1808 01:19:02,869 --> 01:19:06,573 with text by Gore Vidal, with James Jones. (laughs) 1809 01:19:06,606 --> 01:19:07,807 Isn't that... 1810 01:19:07,841 --> 01:19:09,142 Everything Dian does is you know, 1811 01:19:09,176 --> 01:19:12,112 she should've designed weapons during World War II. 1812 01:19:12,145 --> 01:19:13,880 - (laughs) Yeah, right. 1813 01:19:14,581 --> 01:19:16,616 - I was wondering if you could just start by talking to us 1814 01:19:16,650 --> 01:19:18,818 about the buddy system, sort of how it worked 1815 01:19:18,852 --> 01:19:20,687 and why it was created. 1816 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:21,922 - When you're in the Marine Corps, 1817 01:19:21,955 --> 01:19:23,590 the closest thing to you is your buddy, 1818 01:19:24,724 --> 01:19:25,992 you might say your foxhole buddy, 1819 01:19:26,026 --> 01:19:28,962 who watches out for you and you watch out for him. 1820 01:19:28,995 --> 01:19:29,963 - Scotty really had it tough. 1821 01:19:29,996 --> 01:19:34,701 I mean, he was in three, just horrific battles 1822 01:19:34,734 --> 01:19:36,670 without much down time, right? 1823 01:19:36,703 --> 01:19:38,638 I mean, you were fighting four months straight 1824 01:19:38,672 --> 01:19:39,739 on Guadalcanal. 1825 01:19:39,773 --> 01:19:41,975 - And Bougainville, two months. 1826 01:19:42,008 --> 01:19:44,245 - He developed the buddy system in World War II, 1827 01:19:44,278 --> 01:19:46,112 because they found that the men 1828 01:19:46,146 --> 01:19:49,082 were able to hold up in battle with a buddy. 1829 01:19:49,115 --> 01:19:52,719 - Young guys who just left home for the first time 1830 01:19:52,752 --> 01:19:55,155 to go in the service, the closest thing to you 1831 01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:56,990 is your buddy, you know what I mean? 1832 01:19:57,023 --> 01:19:59,893 Your so-called foxhole buddy is the 1833 01:19:59,926 --> 01:20:00,927 closest thing you have. 1834 01:20:00,961 --> 01:20:02,662 It's the best friend you have. 1835 01:20:12,539 --> 01:20:13,974 Service record World War II 1836 01:20:14,007 --> 01:20:16,977 was put out by Grand Ridge Community. 1837 01:20:17,010 --> 01:20:19,246 So it was a little town in the area I was born. 1838 01:20:23,217 --> 01:20:25,085 That's my brother right there. 1839 01:20:27,821 --> 01:20:28,888 Camp Elliott. 1840 01:20:28,922 --> 01:20:31,992 Finished training in Hawaii, 1841 01:20:32,025 --> 01:20:33,994 participated in the Battle of Iwo Jima, 1842 01:20:34,027 --> 01:20:38,131 lost his life March 4, 1945. 1843 01:20:41,202 --> 01:20:43,970 My brother was two years older than me. 1844 01:20:44,004 --> 01:20:46,039 He went in the Marine Corps two years after I did 1845 01:20:46,072 --> 01:20:48,108 because he was working. 1846 01:20:49,243 --> 01:20:52,545 He went into Iwo Jima, and on Iwo Jima, 1847 01:20:52,579 --> 01:20:56,082 we had 7,000 guys killed in 28 days 1848 01:20:56,116 --> 01:20:58,985 and about 20,000 wounded. 1849 01:20:59,019 --> 01:21:01,988 (slow somber music) 1850 01:21:05,925 --> 01:21:06,960 Every time I see some, 1851 01:21:09,230 --> 01:21:12,166 it reminds me of my brother. (weeps) 1852 01:21:14,601 --> 01:21:15,835 Every time I see someone, 1853 01:21:15,869 --> 01:21:17,737 it reminds me of my brother, I liked... 1854 01:21:23,076 --> 01:21:26,079 (slow somber music) 1855 01:21:27,947 --> 01:21:30,984 (stammers) It runs through your mind quite often, 1856 01:21:31,017 --> 01:21:32,118 you know what I mean? 1857 01:21:32,152 --> 01:21:33,853 You, you don't forget things. 1858 01:21:33,887 --> 01:21:35,822 Some people forget things, but I don't. 1859 01:21:39,193 --> 01:21:40,794 It comes back. 1860 01:21:40,827 --> 01:21:43,563 I have, I still have dreams about it at night. 1861 01:21:47,401 --> 01:21:50,103 Oh, yeah, you try to put it out of your mind, 1862 01:21:50,136 --> 01:21:51,037 but it's still there. 1863 01:21:52,739 --> 01:21:55,708 (slow somber music) 1864 01:22:01,714 --> 01:22:03,850 It made me fucking happy to be alive. 1865 01:22:16,096 --> 01:22:18,765 December, well, Beach died December the 7th. 1866 01:22:18,798 --> 01:22:20,667 They sent the ashes to Pat. 1867 01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:23,270 He got them, put them in the trunk of his car saying, 1868 01:22:23,304 --> 01:22:25,339 "We're gonna go up to Beach's and spread the ashes." 1869 01:22:25,372 --> 01:22:28,675 And that was six years ago. (laughs) 1870 01:22:28,708 --> 01:22:30,043 During the war, Pat was in the Navy, 1871 01:22:30,076 --> 01:22:31,911 Beach was in the Army, and I was in the Marine Corps. 1872 01:22:31,945 --> 01:22:33,613 We represented all three outfits. 1873 01:22:56,337 --> 01:22:59,240 (crow bar clamors) 1874 01:23:22,496 --> 01:23:24,231 Seven years later, 1875 01:23:24,265 --> 01:23:25,832 and Beach wanted them dumped over the patio, 1876 01:23:25,865 --> 01:23:27,800 so I'm gonna dump them over the patio here. 1877 01:23:27,834 --> 01:23:28,968 The wind is blowing a little bit, 1878 01:23:29,002 --> 01:23:31,172 so I think I'll dump them here. 1879 01:23:31,205 --> 01:23:33,207 I think I'll just dump them right down here. 1880 01:23:38,312 --> 01:23:41,315 (slow somber music) 1881 01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:49,989 If I dump them here, they'll last longer there. 1882 01:23:50,023 --> 01:23:51,824 You know, you know what this reminds me very much of? 1883 01:23:51,858 --> 01:23:55,161 Throwing guys overboard, a fucking dead guy's aboard ship, 1884 01:23:55,196 --> 01:23:55,995 you throw them overboard, 1885 01:23:56,029 --> 01:23:57,498 just like you do the fucking garbage. 1886 01:23:57,531 --> 01:23:59,166 Now people think they had burials. 1887 01:23:59,200 --> 01:23:59,999 Bull shit. 1888 01:24:00,033 --> 01:24:01,000 You just, 1889 01:24:01,034 --> 01:24:03,036 you grab one, then another, and then another, 1890 01:24:03,069 --> 01:24:05,439 and another, you just keep pitching them overboard. 1891 01:24:05,472 --> 01:24:08,209 And that's what they did in World War II. 1892 01:24:08,242 --> 01:24:11,212 (somber opera music) 1893 01:24:26,493 --> 01:24:29,128 My baby Beach's ashes are over the side of the hill 1894 01:24:29,162 --> 01:24:30,231 where he wanted them. 1895 01:24:31,164 --> 01:24:34,268 (somber opera music) 1896 01:24:36,203 --> 01:24:38,805 Yeah, without a doubt, Beach was a good person. 1897 01:24:39,973 --> 01:24:42,243 A good person, and always very nice to me. 1898 01:24:43,277 --> 01:24:46,247 (somber opera music) 1899 01:24:49,450 --> 01:24:51,218 The bad things that happened were: 1900 01:24:53,254 --> 01:24:54,988 my brother, my daughter, 1901 01:24:55,822 --> 01:24:57,291 Bette, 1902 01:24:57,324 --> 01:24:59,859 and the most recent one was my little doggie dying 1903 01:24:59,892 --> 01:25:01,027 that I loved so much. 1904 01:25:02,161 --> 01:25:03,330 And you're gonna say that's foolish. 1905 01:25:03,364 --> 01:25:05,164 It's not foolish. 1906 01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,534 Can you understand how I could love a little doggie or not? 1907 01:25:07,568 --> 01:25:08,369 - [Matt] I can. 1908 01:25:09,637 --> 01:25:12,573 - [Scotty] Some people don't, that's why I don't tell them. 1909 01:25:12,606 --> 01:25:14,974 - [Matt] You've had some pretty terrible things happen 1910 01:25:15,008 --> 01:25:15,908 in your life. 1911 01:25:15,942 --> 01:25:17,344 Do you think that you've had to keep busy 1912 01:25:17,378 --> 01:25:19,280 to not think about] your brother and the others? 1913 01:25:19,313 --> 01:25:20,314 - [Scotty] Yes, yes, I do. 1914 01:25:20,347 --> 01:25:22,249 I created happy things, 1915 01:25:22,283 --> 01:25:25,952 and making people happy to kind of compensate 1916 01:25:25,985 --> 01:25:27,854 for the unhappy things. 1917 01:25:27,887 --> 01:25:29,356 Do you think that's possible? 1918 01:25:31,090 --> 01:25:32,192 - [Matt] That many good years, 1919 01:25:34,027 --> 01:25:36,497 the late '40s and the '50s were such a glorious time-- 1920 01:25:36,530 --> 01:25:37,897 - [Scotty] It was a glorious time 1921 01:25:37,930 --> 01:25:39,366 because nothing bad happened 1922 01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,169 to anyone, you could do as many people as you want 1923 01:25:42,202 --> 01:25:44,070 and fuck around as much as you want. 1924 01:25:44,103 --> 01:25:46,473 Things really didn't change along those lines 1925 01:25:46,507 --> 01:25:48,041 until AIDS came along. 1926 01:25:49,042 --> 01:25:50,977 (slow somber music) 1927 01:25:51,010 --> 01:25:52,579 When I think of all the people that I knew, 1928 01:25:52,613 --> 01:25:54,981 who not only had AIDS, but died of AIDS, 1929 01:25:55,014 --> 01:25:57,917 I mean, a lot of them, not some, but a lot. 1930 01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:58,851 And I mean, a lot. 1931 01:26:02,356 --> 01:26:03,823 Look at, look at Rock Hudson. 1932 01:26:05,058 --> 01:26:07,494 That AIDS was a very sad thing. 1933 01:26:07,528 --> 01:26:09,263 Is a very sad thing. 1934 01:26:10,264 --> 01:26:12,065 (slow soft piano music) 1935 01:26:12,098 --> 01:26:13,434 Rock was a good friend of mine. 1936 01:26:13,467 --> 01:26:15,336 He changed so much in appearance, 1937 01:26:15,369 --> 01:26:17,538 you hardly knew him in a matter of 1938 01:26:17,571 --> 01:26:18,871 two or three months. 1939 01:26:20,174 --> 01:26:21,342 I remember when he went off to Paris 1940 01:26:21,375 --> 01:26:24,278 thinking they're gonna cure him in France or something. 1941 01:26:26,180 --> 01:26:28,549 - Hollywood was shocked by the Rock Hudson story 1942 01:26:28,582 --> 01:26:32,353 because there was not really an acknowledgement 1943 01:26:32,386 --> 01:26:37,090 of the gay scene and the secrecy surrounding his condition. 1944 01:26:37,123 --> 01:26:39,125 That hit the town like a tidal wave. 1945 01:26:40,461 --> 01:26:42,028 - This ended the Hollywood myth right there. 1946 01:26:42,061 --> 01:26:44,897 That, that exposed it as the lie that it was. 1947 01:26:44,931 --> 01:26:47,434 And Hollywood was never the same again after that. 1948 01:26:48,402 --> 01:26:49,236 Things changed for Scotty. 1949 01:26:49,269 --> 01:26:52,406 Scotty was devastated by Rock's death. 1950 01:26:53,674 --> 01:26:57,311 He was aware that this was a disease that was spreading. 1951 01:26:58,579 --> 01:27:02,383 AIDS brought a whole new layer of danger 1952 01:27:02,416 --> 01:27:05,319 and risk to being gay in Hollywood. 1953 01:27:07,654 --> 01:27:10,056 - When AIDS came along, I thought I'm gonna pass 1954 01:27:10,089 --> 01:27:12,659 on fixing people up because I don't want to 1955 01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:15,396 be involved in that. 1956 01:27:16,597 --> 01:27:19,233 It's a case of, you just hope you don't catch it. 1957 01:27:19,266 --> 01:27:20,032 - [Matt] Luck. 1958 01:27:20,066 --> 01:27:20,667 - [Scotty] Luck. 1959 01:27:20,701 --> 01:27:22,001 That's right. 1960 01:27:22,034 --> 01:27:23,136 That's exactly what it'd be. 1961 01:27:23,170 --> 01:27:25,472 It'd have to be just luck, just one of those things. 1962 01:27:27,073 --> 01:27:27,907 - Honey? 1963 01:27:30,277 --> 01:27:31,378 He shouldn't be up there. 1964 01:27:38,452 --> 01:27:41,154 (dog barking) 1965 01:27:44,658 --> 01:27:46,326 What are you doing? 1966 01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,262 - [Scotty] I'm gonna get over to the ladder and get down. 1967 01:27:48,295 --> 01:27:49,496 - [Lois] Oh, good. 1968 01:27:49,530 --> 01:27:51,732 - Jesus, when I think of how I used to be able 1969 01:27:51,765 --> 01:27:54,435 to maneuver around, now I'm a fucking cripple. 1970 01:27:54,468 --> 01:27:55,502 My goddamn arm. 1971 01:27:56,670 --> 01:27:58,439 - [Lois] You shouldn't be doing this. 1972 01:27:58,472 --> 01:27:59,339 - [Scotty] Wait a minute. 1973 01:27:59,373 --> 01:28:01,642 (babbles) 1974 01:28:01,675 --> 01:28:04,344 Fuck, what's the matter with my goddamn legs now? 1975 01:28:05,779 --> 01:28:07,414 Is it on the thing? 1976 01:28:07,448 --> 01:28:08,749 - [Lois] Yeah. 1977 01:28:08,782 --> 01:28:10,184 (Scotty sighs) 1978 01:28:10,217 --> 01:28:12,453 (ladder rattling) 1979 01:28:12,486 --> 01:28:15,489 (slow somber music) 1980 01:28:22,196 --> 01:28:24,598 - Apparently, I had a little bit of a kidney problem 1981 01:28:24,631 --> 01:28:26,400 from taking Atabrine. 1982 01:28:26,433 --> 01:28:29,203 Atabrine is for the prevention of malaria. 1983 01:28:30,136 --> 01:28:31,371 They found out later that 1984 01:28:33,173 --> 01:28:34,441 everybody that took that, 1985 01:28:35,776 --> 01:28:39,145 it did damage to their kidneys. 1986 01:28:39,179 --> 01:28:40,647 - [Matt] You took it during the war? 1987 01:28:40,681 --> 01:28:42,349 - Took it for three years, yeah. 1988 01:28:42,382 --> 01:28:44,384 And I should never have taken that shit. 1989 01:28:45,719 --> 01:28:47,688 Reserved only for who? 1990 01:28:47,721 --> 01:28:49,356 - [Matt] Volunteer parking. 1991 01:28:49,389 --> 01:28:50,457 - I'm a fucking volunteer. 1992 01:28:50,491 --> 01:28:51,692 Fuck it. (laughs) 1993 01:28:51,725 --> 01:28:54,126 - They do ultrasound every so often 1994 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,028 to check how the kidneys are. 1995 01:28:56,062 --> 01:29:00,132 And obviously, they're slowly going, 1996 01:29:00,167 --> 01:29:04,238 'cause when it first started it was only 25% loss. 1997 01:29:04,271 --> 01:29:05,639 You know, then they said, maybe someday 1998 01:29:05,672 --> 01:29:08,509 we'll have to consider dialysis. 1999 01:29:08,542 --> 01:29:09,543 And the last time he went 2000 01:29:09,576 --> 01:29:11,110 they said we have to do it. 2001 01:29:12,746 --> 01:29:14,046 They wanna put the, 2002 01:29:15,582 --> 01:29:19,219 like a stent in his arm and, soon. 2003 01:29:22,322 --> 01:29:25,459 I think he thinks he can buy a kidney someplace. 2004 01:29:28,395 --> 01:29:30,564 - [Scotty] Lee, how are you, baby? 2005 01:29:30,597 --> 01:29:31,732 Huh? 2006 01:29:31,765 --> 01:29:33,065 You sweetheart. 2007 01:29:33,099 --> 01:29:35,736 (slow soft music) 2008 01:29:37,771 --> 01:29:39,406 - [Lee] Morning. 2009 01:29:44,678 --> 01:29:45,812 - You know, Lee and I said, 2010 01:29:45,846 --> 01:29:47,548 to show you what a buddy is, 2011 01:29:47,581 --> 01:29:49,616 Lee called me and said he wants to give me a kidney. 2012 01:29:49,650 --> 01:29:50,851 (laughs) 2013 01:29:50,884 --> 01:29:52,084 Now is that a buddy? 2014 01:29:53,453 --> 01:29:54,621 I said you're a real buddy. 2015 01:29:56,122 --> 01:29:57,357 You're a real buddy, Lee. 2016 01:30:00,227 --> 01:30:03,497 (garage door rattling) 2017 01:30:04,865 --> 01:30:08,402 (slow soft piano music) 2018 01:30:12,172 --> 01:30:13,473 I often think back of 2019 01:30:14,808 --> 01:30:16,476 how nice things were. 2020 01:30:16,510 --> 01:30:20,247 I can't think back of any bad scenes or bad things at all. 2021 01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:26,420 And, and so many people have said the nicest 2022 01:30:26,453 --> 01:30:29,222 and best time of their whole life was that gas station. 2023 01:30:31,525 --> 01:30:35,762 And that's why I felt good that I made so many people happy. 2024 01:30:35,796 --> 01:30:38,164 (laughs) 2025 01:30:39,633 --> 01:30:40,534 - [Female Reporter] Team coverage, 2026 01:30:40,567 --> 01:30:42,269 Jay Yamamoto is looking ahead 2027 01:30:42,302 --> 01:30:43,403 for what is next for gay couples. 2028 01:30:43,437 --> 01:30:45,505 - [Male Reporter] The decision from the Supreme Court 2029 01:30:45,539 --> 01:30:48,642 now paves the way to historic change here in California. 2030 01:30:48,675 --> 01:30:51,244 - The Justices dismissed Proposition 8 2031 01:30:51,278 --> 01:30:54,648 and the news sent shockwaves throughout Southern California. 2032 01:30:54,681 --> 01:30:57,784 (slow soft piano music) 2033 01:31:02,856 --> 01:31:05,792 (people chattering) 2034 01:31:09,896 --> 01:31:13,233 - I would say the timing is just about right, now. 2035 01:31:14,668 --> 01:31:16,637 And when I tell people the gas station days were different, 2036 01:31:16,670 --> 01:31:18,572 I mean they were completely different. 2037 01:31:20,207 --> 01:31:21,842 50 or 60 years ago, this could have never happened, 2038 01:31:21,875 --> 01:31:23,377 you know that, impossible. 2039 01:31:26,647 --> 01:31:30,283 - History evolves in incremental steps, 2040 01:31:30,317 --> 01:31:35,322 and Scotty really was lighting a way forward 2041 01:31:35,989 --> 01:31:37,557 that we are now embracing 2042 01:31:37,591 --> 01:31:40,327 where the motto is: Do your own thing. 2043 01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,363 He was doing that when it was not culturally accepted. 2044 01:31:44,331 --> 01:31:45,499 - You want to wear those clothes? 2045 01:31:45,532 --> 01:31:46,733 - No, I don't wanna wear this thing, 2046 01:31:46,767 --> 01:31:48,702 I just want to get married! 2047 01:31:48,735 --> 01:31:49,803 (dog barks) 2048 01:31:49,836 --> 01:31:52,372 - We were given a myth, 2049 01:31:52,406 --> 01:31:55,575 and it's important to show the public 2050 01:31:55,609 --> 01:31:58,345 that their heroes can be flawed, 2051 01:31:58,378 --> 01:31:59,746 or their heroes can be complicated, 2052 01:31:59,780 --> 01:32:01,348 or their heroes can be gay. 2053 01:32:02,716 --> 01:32:05,852 You know, Scotty holds a mirror up to the culture 2054 01:32:05,886 --> 01:32:09,790 to help people see the kind of puritanical nature of, 2055 01:32:09,823 --> 01:32:13,326 not only the culture during the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, 2056 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:14,494 but even to this day. 2057 01:32:16,496 --> 01:32:18,665 - I think a mistake would be to look at the story 2058 01:32:18,699 --> 01:32:20,667 of Scotty's being a story of a, you know, 2059 01:32:20,701 --> 01:32:24,337 gay renegade in a gay world, in a gay subculture. 2060 01:32:24,371 --> 01:32:27,340 Because, Scotty was pre-gay. 2061 01:32:27,374 --> 01:32:30,744 He, he himself doesn't conform to any particular label. 2062 01:32:31,712 --> 01:32:33,914 Scotty just breezes across all the fences 2063 01:32:33,947 --> 01:32:36,550 that we erect to separate ourselves from others. 2064 01:32:39,686 --> 01:32:43,623 ♪ Nights are long 2065 01:32:43,657 --> 01:32:48,562 ♪ Since you went away 2066 01:32:48,595 --> 01:32:52,632 ♪ I think of you 2067 01:32:52,666 --> 01:32:56,903 ♪ All through the day 2068 01:32:56,937 --> 01:33:00,474 ♪ My buddy 2069 01:33:00,507 --> 01:33:04,010 ♪ My buddy 2070 01:33:04,044 --> 01:33:08,949 ♪ Nobody quite so true 2071 01:33:13,787 --> 01:33:18,625 ♪ Miss your voice 2072 01:33:18,658 --> 01:33:22,929 ♪ The touch of your hand 2073 01:33:22,963 --> 01:33:27,300 ♪ I hope to know 2074 01:33:27,334 --> 01:33:31,972 ♪ That you understand 2075 01:33:32,005 --> 01:33:35,575 ♪ My buddy 2076 01:33:35,609 --> 01:33:39,579 ♪ My buddy 2077 01:33:39,613 --> 01:33:44,618 ♪ Your buddy misses 2078 01:33:46,386 --> 01:33:48,021 ♪ You 2079 01:33:54,060 --> 01:33:58,064 (audience clapping & cheering) 2080 01:34:04,771 --> 01:34:07,741 ("The Hut-Sut Song") 2081 01:34:13,814 --> 01:34:17,918 ♪ In a town in Sweden by a stream so clear and cool ♪ 2082 01:34:17,951 --> 01:34:20,086 ♪ Some boys would sit and fish and dream ♪ 2083 01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,756 ♪ When they should've been in school ♪ 2084 01:34:22,789 --> 01:34:24,925 ♪ They couldn't read or write a word ♪ 2085 01:34:24,958 --> 01:34:27,460 ♪ But happiness they found 2086 01:34:27,494 --> 01:34:29,896 ♪ In a little song they heard 2087 01:34:29,930 --> 01:34:31,765 ♪ Here's how it would sound 2088 01:34:31,798 --> 01:34:33,867 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2089 01:34:33,900 --> 01:34:36,036 ♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it 2090 01:34:36,069 --> 01:34:38,638 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2091 01:34:38,672 --> 01:34:40,774 ♪ And a brawla soo-it 2092 01:34:40,807 --> 01:34:42,976 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2093 01:34:43,009 --> 01:34:45,445 ♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it 2094 01:34:45,478 --> 01:34:47,747 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2095 01:34:47,781 --> 01:34:50,417 ♪ And a brawla soo-it 2096 01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:52,853 ♪ Now the Rawlson is a Swedish town ♪ 2097 01:34:52,886 --> 01:34:54,821 ♪ The Rillerah is a stream 2098 01:34:54,855 --> 01:34:57,090 ♪ The brawla is the boy and girl ♪ 2099 01:34:57,123 --> 01:34:59,025 ♪ The Hut-Sut is their dream 2100 01:34:59,059 --> 01:35:01,394 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2101 01:35:01,428 --> 01:35:03,663 ♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it 2102 01:35:03,697 --> 01:35:05,899 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2103 01:35:05,932 --> 01:35:08,702 ♪ And a brawla soo-it 2104 01:35:08,735 --> 01:35:11,905 ("The Hut-Sut Song") 2105 01:35:48,742 --> 01:35:51,011 ♪ Now the Rawlson is a Swedish town ♪ 2106 01:35:51,044 --> 01:35:53,046 ♪ The Rillerah is a stream 2107 01:35:53,079 --> 01:35:55,582 ♪ The brawla is the boy and girl ♪ 2108 01:35:55,615 --> 01:35:57,150 ♪ The Hut-Sut is their dream 2109 01:35:57,184 --> 01:35:59,586 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2110 01:35:59,619 --> 01:36:01,788 ♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it 2111 01:36:01,821 --> 01:36:03,823 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2112 01:36:03,857 --> 01:36:07,560 ♪ And brawla soo-it 2113 01:36:07,594 --> 01:36:11,831 (moves into soft orchestral music) 2114 01:37:12,759 --> 01:37:16,763 (soft playful orchestral music) 149866

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