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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,445 --> 00:00:13,912 You know, this is Hannibal. 2 00:00:13,947 --> 00:00:15,381 This is a very mysterious town. 3 00:00:17,484 --> 00:00:19,651 It was, like, just part of the conversation. 4 00:00:19,686 --> 00:00:21,186 It's like, yeah, people die around here. 5 00:00:23,123 --> 00:00:26,558 If you wanted to kill somebody, come to Hannibal. 6 00:00:46,012 --> 00:00:47,913 Brian, happy birthday. 7 00:00:47,947 --> 00:00:50,883 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 8 00:00:52,185 --> 00:00:53,919 This girl said that she was grabbed 9 00:00:53,953 --> 00:00:56,622 and passed around to these guys. 10 00:00:56,656 --> 00:01:00,092 This man, he had, like, tight up, naked to a pole 11 00:01:00,126 --> 00:01:02,194 and did bad things to these girls. 12 00:01:02,228 --> 00:01:03,729 These people are sick. 13 00:01:05,098 --> 00:01:08,200 She was a second person who told me information 14 00:01:08,234 --> 00:01:10,402 that they really thought Christina was dead. 15 00:01:10,437 --> 00:01:13,138 All right. It's on, little man. 16 00:01:13,173 --> 00:01:15,140 A lot of people said things like, 17 00:01:15,175 --> 00:01:16,475 "She got what she deserved." 18 00:01:16,509 --> 00:01:18,510 People are just too afraid to come forward. 19 00:01:22,348 --> 00:01:23,816 Yes. It is understood, 20 00:01:23,850 --> 00:01:26,718 but what's also understood is just how far these people 21 00:01:26,753 --> 00:01:28,854 would go to continue their lifestyle. 22 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:32,691 If there's not a body there's not a crime, really. 23 00:02:00,353 --> 00:02:02,988 - What are you doing, buddy? - I'm showing them now. 24 00:02:03,423 --> 00:02:04,790 Okay, here it is. 25 00:02:04,824 --> 00:02:08,160 Oh, check that out. Oh, my God. 26 00:02:08,194 --> 00:02:09,895 Like, don't point it. 27 00:02:09,929 --> 00:02:11,463 I would definitely not. 28 00:02:11,498 --> 00:02:13,799 She's a shooter. She shots, she shot, right? 29 00:02:13,833 --> 00:02:17,870 Yeah. And Grandma has a .9 mm. 30 00:02:17,904 --> 00:02:19,605 Both got pink guns. 31 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,907 She gets a gift from her mamma every... 32 00:02:22,342 --> 00:02:23,609 Every year. 33 00:02:23,643 --> 00:02:25,077 Just put that back in there. 34 00:02:25,111 --> 00:02:26,078 Let's put it away. 35 00:02:29,349 --> 00:02:31,283 Tell her what this is, Alexandria, 36 00:02:31,317 --> 00:02:32,718 where you got this at. 37 00:02:32,752 --> 00:02:34,286 Alexandria, Christina. 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,255 It was Christina's pink hat here. 39 00:02:36,289 --> 00:02:37,823 Oh, so it's the same hat? 40 00:02:37,857 --> 00:02:39,391 Mmm-hmm. It's the same little hat they had on. 41 00:02:39,425 --> 00:02:41,827 - Yeah. - Christina loved this hat. 42 00:02:41,861 --> 00:02:43,595 What are you doing, Christina, 43 00:02:43,630 --> 00:02:44,763 on Mother's Day this day? 44 00:02:44,797 --> 00:02:47,666 Watching TV, relaxing, I don't gotta work today! 45 00:02:49,068 --> 00:02:53,438 And then... Here is my mommy and me. 46 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:07,152 Happy Mother's Day to you. 47 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:08,987 Happy Mother's Day, Christina. 48 00:03:16,429 --> 00:03:19,298 It's been nine years 49 00:03:19,332 --> 00:03:22,801 that I've been on Christina Whittaker's case. 50 00:03:23,169 --> 00:03:24,303 Nine years. 51 00:03:25,638 --> 00:03:29,508 It's surreal that it's been this long for me personally. 52 00:03:31,578 --> 00:03:33,812 I feel like we'll get a long breaks 53 00:03:33,846 --> 00:03:36,682 in the case where there's nothing happening 54 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:39,484 and I kinda sort of get back to my life. 55 00:03:42,689 --> 00:03:45,557 When I met Cindy, she told me that people 56 00:03:45,592 --> 00:03:48,227 would help, and then they'd, you know, 57 00:03:48,261 --> 00:03:51,230 get bored or realize that is too much and they'd leave. 58 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:53,632 And they'd abandon the case and her. 59 00:03:53,666 --> 00:03:55,334 And I promised that I wouldn't do that. 60 00:03:55,368 --> 00:03:56,868 Are you counting your eggs 61 00:03:56,903 --> 00:03:59,438 - before they're hatched? - Yep. 62 00:03:59,472 --> 00:04:01,907 It's easy to get lost in the details 63 00:04:01,941 --> 00:04:04,710 of the case and forget what it's really all about. 64 00:04:05,778 --> 00:04:09,681 Christina Whittaker is someone's mom. 65 00:04:09,716 --> 00:04:12,751 She's a daughter and she's a friend. 66 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:15,654 Christina deserves to be found, 67 00:04:16,489 --> 00:04:18,457 and that's the point of all this. 68 00:04:19,225 --> 00:04:20,626 To find Christina. 69 00:04:23,830 --> 00:04:25,397 There have been a lot of stories 70 00:04:25,431 --> 00:04:27,065 and leads thrown at me 71 00:04:27,133 --> 00:04:31,503 over these years, but I'm trying to focus 72 00:04:31,537 --> 00:04:34,072 on things that I can prove or disprove. 73 00:04:35,041 --> 00:04:37,409 You know, Darcy Morris has always been 74 00:04:37,443 --> 00:04:39,278 the number one suspect. 75 00:04:39,312 --> 00:04:41,613 But he's not the only person that I hear about. 76 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:44,449 Being around Hannibal, 77 00:04:44,484 --> 00:04:47,519 there's actually a bunch of names that get thrown around. 78 00:04:47,553 --> 00:04:50,255 It's a small town, there's a lot of rumors. 79 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:54,226 But there is one name that keeps coming up 80 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:56,528 and coming up and coming up. 81 00:04:56,562 --> 00:04:59,097 It is a man named Glen Ledbetter. 82 00:05:18,985 --> 00:05:21,486 Glen Ledbetter is a registered sex offender 83 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:23,255 living in Hannibal. 84 00:05:23,289 --> 00:05:25,123 According to law enforcement officials, 85 00:05:25,158 --> 00:05:27,459 he's considered a person of interest 86 00:05:27,493 --> 00:05:30,829 in the disappearance of a man named Dale Yarbrough 87 00:05:30,863 --> 00:05:33,532 who went missing from the area in 1999. 88 00:05:34,834 --> 00:05:36,968 I've been told by multiple sources 89 00:05:37,003 --> 00:05:39,271 that Christina is buried on his property. 90 00:05:48,481 --> 00:05:51,016 People in town are describing Glen Ledbetter 91 00:05:51,050 --> 00:05:53,185 as a really dangerous individual, 92 00:05:53,219 --> 00:05:55,354 and according to investigators, 93 00:05:55,388 --> 00:05:59,491 Glen Ledbetter is also a part of a criminal organization 94 00:05:59,525 --> 00:06:02,861 in Hannibal that goes back centuries. 95 00:06:05,131 --> 00:06:08,967 For nearly 150 years, this little river town 96 00:06:09,001 --> 00:06:12,237 has been a home based for organized crime families. 97 00:06:13,606 --> 00:06:15,140 According to law enforcement, 98 00:06:15,174 --> 00:06:18,410 many of these clans have ties to Romani immigrants 99 00:06:18,444 --> 00:06:20,979 who came to Missouri from Eastern Europe 100 00:06:21,013 --> 00:06:24,649 to escape centuries of prosecution and slavery. 101 00:06:24,684 --> 00:06:28,053 In the Hannibal area, most Romani identify 102 00:06:28,087 --> 00:06:30,622 with the sub-group known as the Romanichal. 103 00:06:31,557 --> 00:06:33,859 The Romanichal, commonly known 104 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:35,994 by the derogatory term "Gypsy", 105 00:06:36,028 --> 00:06:38,096 lived by an unwritten code, 106 00:06:38,131 --> 00:06:40,132 speak their own language, 107 00:06:40,166 --> 00:06:43,802 do everything they can to preserve their traditions 108 00:06:43,836 --> 00:06:47,038 and frown on associations with outsiders. 109 00:06:50,510 --> 00:06:52,644 But investigators say there are individuals 110 00:06:52,678 --> 00:06:54,179 within this close-knit group 111 00:06:54,213 --> 00:06:56,281 who command criminal enterprises. 112 00:06:57,784 --> 00:07:01,920 Everything from simple fraud to narcotics trafficking. 113 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:05,457 While Hannibal's crime families 114 00:07:05,491 --> 00:07:09,094 may not be as notorious as the Italian mafia, 115 00:07:09,128 --> 00:07:12,364 the cops say they're every bit as ruthless. 116 00:07:22,141 --> 00:07:25,577 Hometown hero, Mark Twain, wrote about the early days 117 00:07:25,611 --> 00:07:29,247 of the Hannibal crime families way back in 1870. 118 00:07:29,282 --> 00:07:31,483 In an article called "Political Economy," 119 00:07:31,517 --> 00:07:34,119 Twain detailed an encounter with con men 120 00:07:34,153 --> 00:07:35,921 selling fake lightning rods. 121 00:07:43,796 --> 00:07:45,797 Today, most of the Romanichal 122 00:07:45,832 --> 00:07:47,966 have fully assimilated into the community, 123 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,902 but many clans continue to run fraud scams 124 00:07:50,937 --> 00:07:52,437 from coast to coast. 125 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:55,307 A favorite is posing as paving contractors 126 00:07:55,341 --> 00:07:57,876 to con homeowners out of thousands. 127 00:07:57,910 --> 00:08:00,979 The scam is so common, the locals refer 128 00:08:01,013 --> 00:08:03,748 to the families as the Asphalters. 129 00:08:08,254 --> 00:08:11,490 Now the question becomes: what is the connection 130 00:08:11,524 --> 00:08:13,892 between Glen Ledbetter and Christina? 131 00:08:16,362 --> 00:08:18,296 To try and figure that out, 132 00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:20,332 I realized that I need investigative help 133 00:08:20,366 --> 00:08:22,801 from professionals who have experience 134 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:24,202 working in Hannibal 135 00:08:24,237 --> 00:08:28,206 and understand the town and these crime families. 136 00:08:29,475 --> 00:08:31,443 I came out here in 2005 137 00:08:31,477 --> 00:08:34,112 as the FBI assistant special agent in charge. 138 00:08:34,146 --> 00:08:35,814 It's not just about the disappearance 139 00:08:35,848 --> 00:08:37,182 of Christina Whittaker, 140 00:08:37,216 --> 00:08:40,285 but it's also about the environment in Hannibal. 141 00:08:40,319 --> 00:08:42,888 There is organized crime, criminal activity, 142 00:08:42,922 --> 00:08:45,390 drug trafficking, and there's a certain group 143 00:08:45,424 --> 00:08:49,528 of people who, uh, control the city. 144 00:08:49,562 --> 00:08:52,597 You don't know who to trust, and that's a big challenge. 145 00:08:57,837 --> 00:09:01,206 Having Steve join my team is amazing. 146 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,442 But he also recruited Gina Bradshaw, 147 00:09:04,477 --> 00:09:06,411 who has worked in Missouri law enforcement 148 00:09:06,445 --> 00:09:08,547 for over 25 years, 149 00:09:08,581 --> 00:09:10,782 including at the county's Sheriff's Department 150 00:09:10,816 --> 00:09:13,018 that works with Hannibal. 151 00:09:13,052 --> 00:09:15,921 And Marita Malone, who spent years investigating 152 00:09:15,955 --> 00:09:17,889 Romanichal crime families 153 00:09:17,924 --> 00:09:20,625 during her decades long career at the FBI. 154 00:09:21,594 --> 00:09:23,962 Ferrin Elzea was actually giving this tip 155 00:09:23,996 --> 00:09:26,531 that Christina may have been buried 156 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,935 either on or near Glenny Ledbetter's property. 157 00:09:29,969 --> 00:09:32,571 Glen Ledbetter, he was a top man. 158 00:09:32,605 --> 00:09:35,440 - He was. Senior was. - And of all the Asphalters. 159 00:09:35,474 --> 00:09:40,178 But then, if I recall, his son tried to, you know, 160 00:09:40,212 --> 00:09:42,047 - kind of takeover, didn't he? - Yeah. 161 00:09:42,081 --> 00:09:44,716 If I recall. So this would be the one you're talking about. 162 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:45,617 Yeah. 163 00:09:45,651 --> 00:09:47,218 There was a hierarchy, 164 00:09:47,253 --> 00:09:49,588 but the Ledbetters were right up there. 165 00:09:49,622 --> 00:09:50,922 - Oh, very much so. - Yeah. 166 00:09:50,957 --> 00:09:52,691 Very high up there 'cause there was a lot 167 00:09:52,725 --> 00:09:54,025 of money there with Senior. 168 00:09:54,060 --> 00:09:55,794 When I bring up, you know, his name, 169 00:09:55,828 --> 00:09:58,897 "Oh, he's dangerous." "Oh, don't mess with him." 170 00:09:58,931 --> 00:10:03,702 I've been told, um, that they, like, um, 171 00:10:03,736 --> 00:10:05,236 sexually exploit girls. 172 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:06,571 - Oh, yes. - There's, like, maybe these sex videos 173 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,541 - that are made and, um... - Yeah, yeah. 174 00:10:09,575 --> 00:10:10,842 - Really? - Without a doubt. 175 00:10:10,876 --> 00:10:11,843 Yeah. 176 00:10:11,877 --> 00:10:13,445 - This is based in Hannibal? - Yes. 177 00:10:13,479 --> 00:10:15,914 And this wasn't on your radar in the beginning, right? 178 00:10:15,948 --> 00:10:17,048 No. 179 00:10:17,083 --> 00:10:19,084 Ferrin even said it in one of these phone calls that, 180 00:10:19,118 --> 00:10:22,053 "Yeah, that Dale Yarbrough is buried around here too." 181 00:10:22,088 --> 00:10:24,089 Let's just say somehow they were involved 182 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:26,057 with Christina, too, like people are saying. 183 00:10:26,092 --> 00:10:27,425 Dale Yarbrough was our case. 184 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:28,560 Marion County case. 185 00:10:28,594 --> 00:10:31,196 We know that Dale Yarbrough went missing 186 00:10:31,230 --> 00:10:36,001 from his family farm on September 16th, 1998. 187 00:10:36,035 --> 00:10:38,236 And that's all that we know for a fact happened. 188 00:10:38,270 --> 00:10:40,572 When you say that there were specific people 189 00:10:40,606 --> 00:10:42,273 that know what happened to him, 190 00:10:42,308 --> 00:10:45,010 were you talking about, like, these guys, 191 00:10:45,044 --> 00:10:46,344 the Asphalters, right? 192 00:10:46,379 --> 00:10:47,646 'Cause he was an Asphalter. 193 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,081 He was a hired man, and what they think happened 194 00:10:50,116 --> 00:10:52,117 is that he saw something he shouldn't have seen 195 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:54,419 or knew something he shouldn't have known, 196 00:10:54,453 --> 00:10:56,254 and they got rid of him. 197 00:10:58,557 --> 00:11:01,126 Did you ever have enough to wanna 198 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,528 maybe get a warrant to search property? 199 00:11:03,562 --> 00:11:06,431 Oh, yes. Our biggest problem was loose lips. 200 00:11:06,465 --> 00:11:07,632 Mmm-hmm. 201 00:11:07,666 --> 00:11:09,067 What does that mean? 202 00:11:09,101 --> 00:11:10,335 - Um... - Leaks? 203 00:11:10,369 --> 00:11:11,603 Leaks. 204 00:11:11,637 --> 00:11:14,439 Would that involve law enforcement, like, in general? 205 00:11:14,473 --> 00:11:16,408 Would it be specific to Hannibal PD? 206 00:11:16,442 --> 00:11:18,843 Yeah, everybody. Yeah. 207 00:11:18,878 --> 00:11:21,146 'Cause they're all... They all grew up together. 208 00:11:22,114 --> 00:11:23,948 These guys all went to school together. 209 00:11:24,016 --> 00:11:25,650 These guys play sports together. 210 00:11:25,685 --> 00:11:28,153 These guys are friends or family. 211 00:11:28,187 --> 00:11:29,988 My concern is there's a reason 212 00:11:30,022 --> 00:11:32,090 why they're looking the other way. 213 00:11:32,124 --> 00:11:34,659 I guess I'm just nervous, you know? Who do I talk to? 214 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:36,695 You're talking about who to trust and who not to trust? 215 00:11:36,729 --> 00:11:39,597 - Yeah. - Be very, very, very careful 216 00:11:39,632 --> 00:11:41,299 when there's Asphalters there. 217 00:11:41,333 --> 00:11:43,401 I mean, be very, very, very careful. 218 00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:44,402 Yeah. 219 00:11:44,437 --> 00:11:45,503 I would not... 220 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:47,605 I feel like I'm followed when I'm in town. 221 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,374 - There's been a number of times... - You are. I'm sure you are. 222 00:11:51,677 --> 00:11:54,179 These guys are really, you know, dangerous. 223 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:09,527 It's funny because I've been in Hannibal 224 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:12,163 for years now, and it's not like people 225 00:12:12,198 --> 00:12:14,332 are just bringing up the Asphalters to me. 226 00:12:16,068 --> 00:12:18,670 But once I found out about them from investigators 227 00:12:18,704 --> 00:12:21,039 and started asking around, 228 00:12:21,073 --> 00:12:23,575 everyone I talk to seems terrified of them, 229 00:12:24,009 --> 00:12:24,976 you know? 230 00:12:25,010 --> 00:12:28,012 Like they have some sort of hold over Hannibal 231 00:12:28,047 --> 00:12:31,816 where everybody just gets really hush-hush, you know? 232 00:12:31,851 --> 00:12:33,985 Like, they know exactly what you're talking about 233 00:12:34,019 --> 00:12:35,553 and they don't wanna speak about it. 234 00:12:36,589 --> 00:12:38,323 Now, Gina Bradshaw, 235 00:12:38,357 --> 00:12:40,391 she's put a lot of the Asphalters in jail 236 00:12:40,426 --> 00:12:42,160 over the years, so there's bad blood. 237 00:12:42,194 --> 00:12:44,963 But she's also cultivated some relationships 238 00:12:44,997 --> 00:12:47,966 with these guys, and she's being told 239 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,002 that within the Asphalter community it's an open secret 240 00:12:51,036 --> 00:12:52,771 what happened to Christina Whittaker. 241 00:12:52,805 --> 00:12:55,974 You know a girl that was there when Christina Whittaker 242 00:12:56,008 --> 00:12:57,142 was murdered? 243 00:12:57,176 --> 00:12:59,344 And would she talk to you about this? 244 00:12:59,979 --> 00:13:00,879 Yes. 245 00:13:01,580 --> 00:13:02,614 What's her name? 246 00:13:04,817 --> 00:13:06,151 You started to say it, though. 247 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,393 I understand, okay. 248 00:13:20,766 --> 00:13:22,534 Oh, my gosh. She was with baby ears? 249 00:13:22,568 --> 00:13:23,601 With Glenny Ledbetter? 250 00:13:26,305 --> 00:13:27,272 What do you mean? 251 00:13:29,975 --> 00:13:32,277 So they were gonna try to get her too? Kill her too? 252 00:13:44,123 --> 00:13:50,495 Okay. Is, is, is Christina in... Hannibal area? 253 00:13:55,901 --> 00:13:57,001 Okay. 254 00:13:57,036 --> 00:13:59,537 Are you worry, though, that they'll come back on you 255 00:13:59,572 --> 00:14:00,638 and kill you? 256 00:14:04,443 --> 00:14:05,543 Okay. 257 00:14:05,578 --> 00:14:06,711 This call has ended. Goodbye. 258 00:14:11,984 --> 00:14:13,017 What? 259 00:14:20,793 --> 00:14:23,161 See, I wasn't born and raised here, 260 00:14:23,195 --> 00:14:24,629 and not very many officers 261 00:14:24,663 --> 00:14:26,664 down there were born and raised here. 262 00:14:26,699 --> 00:14:28,132 Most of them come from the outside. 263 00:14:28,167 --> 00:14:31,236 And when I was going to college in Kirksville or Truman University, 264 00:14:31,270 --> 00:14:33,905 my landlord said, "You don't wanna work there." 265 00:14:33,939 --> 00:14:35,306 - And I said... - What, in Hannibal? 266 00:14:35,341 --> 00:14:37,842 - Yeah. 'Cause I told them I was moving, I got a job. - Really? 267 00:14:37,877 --> 00:14:39,010 "Where are you working?" I said, "Hannibal," 268 00:14:39,044 --> 00:14:40,845 he goes, "Man, you don't wanna do that." 269 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,280 He says, "Don't go work there." 270 00:14:42,314 --> 00:14:44,115 And why is this reasoning? What did he say? 271 00:14:44,149 --> 00:14:46,017 He was trying to say that the cops are crooked. 272 00:14:47,019 --> 00:14:48,820 That stuff came about Hannibal. 273 00:14:48,854 --> 00:14:50,321 Everybody say, "Oh, big towns is where all the action is." 274 00:14:50,356 --> 00:14:53,124 I'm telling you right now, these little towns like this 275 00:14:53,158 --> 00:14:54,492 got more going on in them 276 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,094 than you'll find in any big city. 277 00:14:56,128 --> 00:14:57,462 Yeah. 278 00:14:57,496 --> 00:14:58,596 Oh, yeah. 279 00:14:58,664 --> 00:15:01,232 There's no doubt years and years ago, 280 00:15:01,267 --> 00:15:03,768 probably before I came here, that there was probably a... 281 00:15:05,104 --> 00:15:06,882 ...pretty good intermingling of the police 282 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:08,206 and that group of people. 283 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,842 When I come on, I seen that, 284 00:15:10,876 --> 00:15:14,512 and I never cut an Asphalter break in my life. 285 00:15:14,546 --> 00:15:16,014 And anybody that worked for me knew that. 286 00:15:16,548 --> 00:15:18,216 What happened? 287 00:15:18,250 --> 00:15:20,051 I don't know how much of this you're gonna air 288 00:15:20,085 --> 00:15:21,252 'cause it's gonna get ugly. 289 00:15:21,287 --> 00:15:22,754 Well, we need to stay. 290 00:15:22,788 --> 00:15:24,822 'Cause I gotta be careful what I say 291 00:15:24,857 --> 00:15:26,658 'cause I've still got a lot of friends down there, but, 292 00:15:26,692 --> 00:15:29,193 but, uh, we had officers that were good friends 293 00:15:29,228 --> 00:15:31,195 within that Asphalters community. 294 00:15:32,531 --> 00:15:34,365 And the bad thing about it is, now, there's... 295 00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:36,968 You got those certain last names in town, 296 00:15:37,002 --> 00:15:40,538 and there's family members that are fantastic people. 297 00:15:40,572 --> 00:15:43,007 They're great people, but they can't shake that name here. 298 00:15:43,042 --> 00:15:44,642 They're cursed with that name here 299 00:15:44,677 --> 00:15:46,010 because everybody knows, they get them, 300 00:15:46,045 --> 00:15:49,580 so they gotta actually probably prove themselves to the locals 301 00:15:49,615 --> 00:15:52,150 to get, you know, where they're trusted or they... 302 00:15:52,184 --> 00:15:53,818 - That they're clean or legit. - Yeah, that they're legit. 303 00:15:53,852 --> 00:15:55,687 You gotta remember that these Asphalters, 304 00:15:55,721 --> 00:15:58,489 they're good at deception and they'll give you something 305 00:15:58,524 --> 00:16:00,491 just to throw you 100 miles off the path. 306 00:16:01,627 --> 00:16:03,594 And the bad thing about is you gotta pound every one 307 00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:04,829 of them leads out. 308 00:16:04,863 --> 00:16:07,065 Cindy doesn't wanna hear it if it's lead 309 00:16:07,099 --> 00:16:09,267 that comes in that puts her as deceased. 310 00:16:09,301 --> 00:16:11,035 And I've been having those. 311 00:16:11,070 --> 00:16:13,037 So, I mean, Cindy doesn't even know I'm here. 312 00:16:13,072 --> 00:16:15,139 She doesn't want me talking to people here. 313 00:16:15,174 --> 00:16:18,042 Well, 'cause you're gonna... Tell you something about her. 314 00:16:18,077 --> 00:16:19,277 Yeah, what? 315 00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:21,713 She don't want you knowing, I would imagine... 316 00:16:21,747 --> 00:16:23,014 - Yeah. - ...about her family. 317 00:16:24,516 --> 00:16:27,185 'Cause the Elzeas were big Asphalters, yeah. 318 00:16:30,089 --> 00:16:31,289 I mean, you know, you're dealing with some 319 00:16:31,323 --> 00:16:33,458 of the most dangerous people Hannibal's got to offer. 320 00:16:46,171 --> 00:16:47,638 Hey, Cindy. 321 00:16:47,673 --> 00:16:48,906 Hey, honey. 322 00:16:48,941 --> 00:16:50,708 I wanted to ask you something 323 00:16:50,743 --> 00:16:53,644 based on some things that I'm hearing. 324 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:58,416 Do you think that your maiden name, Elzea, 325 00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:01,019 or even having the name Whittaker 326 00:17:01,053 --> 00:17:04,122 could be affecting the response 327 00:17:04,156 --> 00:17:05,690 to Christina's case in any way? 328 00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:27,145 - Hey, Ron. - Yeah? 329 00:17:27,179 --> 00:17:30,681 There was this guy, he just looked like 330 00:17:30,716 --> 00:17:32,350 he was following us. 331 00:17:32,384 --> 00:17:35,887 Like, he came... He pulled up behind us in the parking lot, 332 00:17:35,921 --> 00:17:38,790 and we pulled over to the side 333 00:17:38,824 --> 00:17:41,559 and he did, like, a U-turn, but he was, like, 334 00:17:41,593 --> 00:17:44,662 looking at us, and then he saw me look at him 335 00:17:44,696 --> 00:17:46,130 and he looked down at his phone, 336 00:17:46,165 --> 00:17:48,132 like he was doing something and then drove off. 337 00:17:49,201 --> 00:17:51,102 I don't know. He... I saw him. 338 00:17:54,206 --> 00:17:55,673 That was really weird. 339 00:17:55,707 --> 00:17:58,443 It was just... I don't know, like, when you're in this town 340 00:17:58,477 --> 00:18:00,711 you start feeling like everyone's following you. 341 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:02,346 But that was weird. That... 342 00:18:02,381 --> 00:18:04,615 But this person's doing basically the same thing. 343 00:18:04,650 --> 00:18:05,783 That kinda looks like... 344 00:18:05,818 --> 00:18:07,685 No, it's a woman. 345 00:18:07,719 --> 00:18:09,754 If he was coming to watch us, he would either pull 346 00:18:09,788 --> 00:18:11,722 into that parking lot over there to the right 347 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:13,424 or he would position himself 348 00:18:13,459 --> 00:18:17,128 somewhere over there to wait for us to leave. 349 00:18:17,162 --> 00:18:19,363 - Or we're just paranoid. - Or we're just paranoid. 350 00:18:19,398 --> 00:18:22,066 This... There are a lot of people coming in here. 351 00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:25,069 Yeah. This is what this town does to me. 352 00:18:25,104 --> 00:18:28,306 I literally feel like everybody is out to get us. 353 00:18:40,285 --> 00:18:43,521 So, apparently, HPD gave Cindy a timeline of leads 354 00:18:43,555 --> 00:18:44,789 they looked into 355 00:18:44,823 --> 00:18:46,424 because she called them to tell them 356 00:18:46,458 --> 00:18:48,960 that they're not taking the case seriously. 357 00:18:48,994 --> 00:18:52,363 It's only one page. There's a couple vague leads 358 00:18:52,397 --> 00:18:53,898 of things that they looked into. 359 00:18:53,932 --> 00:18:55,266 No descriptions. 360 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,902 And it says in 2015, Hannibal Police 361 00:18:57,936 --> 00:19:01,405 were giving a tip to look into Ledbetter's property, 362 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,674 but, apparently, Ledbetter denied them access 363 00:19:03,709 --> 00:19:04,942 to search his land, 364 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:07,178 and it doesn't look like they took it any further. 365 00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:10,014 Now, even though HPD couldn't get 366 00:19:10,048 --> 00:19:13,084 on Ledbetter's property, I figured out 367 00:19:13,118 --> 00:19:16,487 that he doesn't own the woods behind his property. 368 00:19:16,522 --> 00:19:19,957 So, there's two pieces of land that are connected to Glen. 369 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:23,594 One of them is this, uh, land that's over here 370 00:19:23,629 --> 00:19:25,930 which there's a close-up over here. 371 00:19:25,964 --> 00:19:28,799 This is all woods owned by a private business. 372 00:19:29,768 --> 00:19:31,836 On this side of the creek, 373 00:19:31,870 --> 00:19:34,038 this is where Glenny has property. 374 00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:38,509 His other property has no access to it, 375 00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:40,178 so this is our best bet. 376 00:19:40,212 --> 00:19:42,780 So, I got one of my sources 377 00:19:42,814 --> 00:19:45,683 to hook me up with a local named Darin Logue, 378 00:19:45,717 --> 00:19:48,085 who used to work for the Sheriff's Department. 379 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,855 That area back there, how far back does he own? 380 00:19:50,889 --> 00:19:52,957 He's offering to use his connections 381 00:19:52,991 --> 00:19:56,160 to get us access to the woods next to Glen Ledbetter's place 382 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:58,496 so we can search for Christina's remains. 383 00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:01,132 Darin used to work as a deputy under Gina 384 00:20:01,166 --> 00:20:04,402 at the Sheriff's Department, so I feel like I can trust him. 385 00:20:04,436 --> 00:20:07,004 We're gonna drive by our search area to make sure 386 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:10,208 that it falls within the property line of Darin's contact. 387 00:20:13,178 --> 00:20:15,146 Here, why don't you hop in... Yeah, hop in with us. 388 00:20:22,988 --> 00:20:26,257 So right here, this entire wooded area... 389 00:20:26,291 --> 00:20:28,025 I don't wanna walk right up to the spot 390 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,327 that he had pointed out to me. 391 00:20:29,361 --> 00:20:32,763 Yeah. It's, like, literally just right in here. 392 00:20:32,798 --> 00:20:34,198 No, you're fine. That's... 393 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:35,466 This is all, like, it's back here. 394 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:37,935 It's fine. Yeah, you're fine. 395 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:40,805 Okay. Let me take you back to your car. 396 00:20:40,839 --> 00:20:41,872 Yeah. 397 00:20:46,178 --> 00:20:48,312 There seems to be a lot of people in town 398 00:20:48,347 --> 00:20:50,414 that sort of like, "You need to be careful." 399 00:20:50,449 --> 00:20:51,983 There's actual fear for people. 400 00:20:52,017 --> 00:20:53,618 "I don't wanna be involved. I don't wanna be involved." 401 00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:58,422 You don't know who's watching or who knows who or who's gonna call who or... 402 00:20:58,457 --> 00:21:01,926 Um, here, shut your camera off for a second. 403 00:22:09,594 --> 00:22:11,462 - All right. Yeah, thanks. - Thank you so much. 404 00:22:27,245 --> 00:22:29,213 I decided to just go for it 405 00:22:29,247 --> 00:22:33,017 and bring in Jan Meyer who's a search dog handler 406 00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:36,854 to see if her dog detects human remains. 407 00:22:36,888 --> 00:22:39,256 If it does, it would be enough for me to go 408 00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:41,325 to Hannibal Police to investigate further. 409 00:22:43,428 --> 00:22:45,162 Tessa, come here. 410 00:22:46,798 --> 00:22:48,799 Her job is to tell me if there's odor. 411 00:22:50,769 --> 00:22:51,602 Mmm-hmm. 412 00:22:52,804 --> 00:22:55,906 Bad guys don't dig real deep holes unless they have 413 00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:58,008 - a packer or something. - Yeah. 414 00:22:58,043 --> 00:23:01,846 But the other problem is in an area this large, 415 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,148 what we do is try to narrow it. 416 00:23:04,182 --> 00:23:05,149 Mmm-hmm. 417 00:23:05,183 --> 00:23:08,352 After this many years, it is gonna be 418 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,721 kind of like a needle in a haystack. 419 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,441 - Okay, right here. - Yeah. 420 00:24:04,976 --> 00:24:08,879 If you bury something or some, something, 421 00:24:08,914 --> 00:24:12,917 there's usually a divot after a year or two, 422 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:14,752 and rather than a mound. 423 00:24:14,786 --> 00:24:17,121 So if they'll just hit it with a few holes, 424 00:24:18,089 --> 00:24:19,590 that opens up in your way. 425 00:24:32,671 --> 00:24:33,871 Oh, I'm nervous now. 426 00:24:36,174 --> 00:24:37,241 They were back here. 427 00:24:39,377 --> 00:24:41,178 That dog hit. 428 00:24:41,213 --> 00:24:43,547 She said it almost like 100%, but she's like, 429 00:24:43,582 --> 00:24:45,883 it doesn't mean that it's there 430 00:24:45,951 --> 00:24:48,052 'cause the dog is trained to get odor. 431 00:24:48,086 --> 00:24:50,421 Like, to signal that she smells the odor, 432 00:24:50,455 --> 00:24:52,857 and it's the handler's job to figure out where it is. 433 00:24:52,891 --> 00:24:54,158 We gotta get out of here. 434 00:24:59,231 --> 00:25:00,598 We got company. 435 00:25:37,335 --> 00:25:39,169 He said that Glenny Ledbetter 436 00:25:39,203 --> 00:25:41,639 owns this side of the creek and the other side of the creek. 437 00:25:41,673 --> 00:25:43,741 I'm like, "I was told that this land was public." 438 00:25:43,775 --> 00:25:45,309 He said, "No." He's like, 439 00:25:45,343 --> 00:25:46,610 "Well, I don't know what you guys are doing, you're scaring my dogs." 440 00:25:46,645 --> 00:25:48,879 So I'm like, "I don't mean to scare your dog," you know? 441 00:25:48,914 --> 00:25:50,414 "We're going." 442 00:25:50,448 --> 00:25:53,017 Yeah? This is the area? 443 00:25:55,754 --> 00:25:56,687 Okay. 444 00:26:09,334 --> 00:26:11,769 Would it be worth... I was trying to get the police down 445 00:26:11,803 --> 00:26:14,004 and a couple of other dogs, like, another day. 446 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:15,673 Tomorrow or something to actually... 447 00:26:15,707 --> 00:26:17,207 Because if these people see us poking around 448 00:26:17,242 --> 00:26:18,976 and they have something buried there... 449 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:20,678 If they're willing to do that, 450 00:26:20,712 --> 00:26:23,781 I would get somebody come with me and bring another dog. 451 00:26:23,815 --> 00:26:24,848 Okay. 452 00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:42,700 Jan is with Grote right now, 453 00:26:42,734 --> 00:26:45,302 who is a detective in charge of the case. 454 00:26:45,337 --> 00:26:47,938 So Jan went to debrief them about what we found 455 00:26:47,973 --> 00:26:50,441 and, hopefully, try to organize an actual search. 456 00:26:50,475 --> 00:26:53,043 Um, but apparently Grote wants to talk to me. 457 00:26:54,346 --> 00:26:56,847 This is the first time in nine years 458 00:26:56,881 --> 00:26:59,650 somebody from Hannibal Police has agreed to meet with me 459 00:26:59,684 --> 00:27:00,784 about this case. 460 00:27:02,053 --> 00:27:03,354 Are you gonna wear that? 461 00:27:03,388 --> 00:27:04,588 Yeah. I might be able to. 462 00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:07,124 I'm not gonna be able to record unless we're... 463 00:27:07,158 --> 00:27:09,960 - Right up front. - Yeah. I think it's more... 464 00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:11,762 - It's pretty dangerous. - Okay. 465 00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:51,001 Okay, so the detective who's in charge of Christina's case, 466 00:27:51,036 --> 00:27:53,937 Jennifer Grote sat down with Jan and I 467 00:27:53,972 --> 00:27:55,439 about what happened today. 468 00:27:55,473 --> 00:27:57,708 So what we were saying is that, like, 469 00:27:57,742 --> 00:27:59,777 "We wanted to let you know that we got this hit," 470 00:27:59,811 --> 00:28:04,948 but our next step would be to bring in another dog or two 471 00:28:04,983 --> 00:28:07,251 "and just see if there's another hit." You know? 472 00:28:07,285 --> 00:28:09,453 She's like, "I want to do this." 473 00:28:09,487 --> 00:28:10,788 Like, "Let's do it." 474 00:28:10,822 --> 00:28:12,523 But that seemed pretty freaking awesome. 475 00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:28,405 Thank you for coming up so much. 476 00:28:28,439 --> 00:28:30,774 You had a problem with a four-wheeler yesterday? 477 00:28:30,809 --> 00:28:32,943 There was just a guy on an ATV, 478 00:28:32,977 --> 00:28:35,379 and he was just saying, "What are you doing? 479 00:28:35,413 --> 00:28:36,647 This is private property." 480 00:28:36,681 --> 00:28:38,749 And I was like, "Well, who owns..." 481 00:28:38,783 --> 00:28:41,051 He said, "Oh, this is Glenny's land. 482 00:28:41,086 --> 00:28:42,219 And I said, "Oh, I'm sorry." 483 00:28:42,253 --> 00:28:43,754 I must've gotten bad information. 484 00:28:43,788 --> 00:28:45,289 I didn't think Glenny owned this. 485 00:28:45,323 --> 00:28:46,957 - I thought he was on the other side of the creek." - He does not own this. 486 00:28:46,991 --> 00:28:49,326 Yeah, so that... 'Cause that's what we were told. 487 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,963 And I was like... Kinda, like, walked away. 488 00:29:04,075 --> 00:29:05,843 This dog handler, Kyle, 489 00:29:05,877 --> 00:29:09,012 he's, like, the best of the best with forensics 490 00:29:09,047 --> 00:29:11,381 and, you know, cadaver dog searching. 491 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:16,320 I mean, it's pretty amazing what the dogs 492 00:29:16,354 --> 00:29:18,122 can sense and smell and... 493 00:29:18,156 --> 00:29:20,324 They said that they weren't gonna need a lot of time. 494 00:29:31,836 --> 00:29:32,970 It'll alert. 495 00:29:33,004 --> 00:29:34,204 If they can pick up the scent 496 00:29:34,239 --> 00:29:36,039 of human remains, it'll bark. 497 00:29:38,209 --> 00:29:40,778 We're pretty much standing on the spot 498 00:29:40,812 --> 00:29:42,179 that the dog hit yesterday. 499 00:29:58,396 --> 00:29:59,663 I saw him over there. 500 00:30:14,479 --> 00:30:15,546 What did you notice? 501 00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:34,865 Oh, my God. 502 00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:40,370 This is unbelievable. 503 00:30:43,408 --> 00:30:44,408 Oh, my God. 504 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:58,488 It's interesting that both dogs... 505 00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,791 That was the second step we wanted to take. 506 00:31:00,825 --> 00:31:04,094 I mean, he didn't hit anywhere else except the spot your dog hit. 507 00:31:05,763 --> 00:31:07,698 Both dogs are telling us 508 00:31:07,732 --> 00:31:09,600 that there's odor there. So... 509 00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:10,467 Yeah. 510 00:31:13,571 --> 00:31:16,506 Hannibal PD, they're gonna call in, um, 511 00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:18,575 somebody to come in and do more testing, 512 00:31:18,610 --> 00:31:20,611 I think with a ground-penetrating radar 513 00:31:20,645 --> 00:31:23,013 to take the testing a little bit further, 514 00:31:23,047 --> 00:31:25,782 and then, I think based on that they'll... 515 00:31:25,817 --> 00:31:26,917 Yeah, if that turns something up, 516 00:31:26,951 --> 00:31:29,786 then we'll get somebody up here to proceed. 517 00:31:29,821 --> 00:31:32,656 Really, I can't believe that just happened. 518 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:34,424 Just the fact that both of your dogs 519 00:31:34,459 --> 00:31:36,059 just went to the same spot. 520 00:31:36,094 --> 00:31:37,127 It's a good indicator... 521 00:31:37,161 --> 00:31:38,528 - Yeah. - ...to move forward. 522 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:39,630 - Yeah. - All right. 523 00:31:39,664 --> 00:31:40,797 -All right, guys. Thank you so much. -Cool. 524 00:31:40,832 --> 00:31:42,199 - Nice meeting everybody. - Yeah, all right. 525 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:43,500 All righty. 526 00:31:43,534 --> 00:31:45,002 - That's pretty crazy. - Yeah. 527 00:31:54,479 --> 00:31:57,214 So now the police will bring in somebody 528 00:31:57,282 --> 00:31:58,916 to do ground-penetrating radar. 529 00:31:58,950 --> 00:32:00,918 And with that radar you can pretty much sense 530 00:32:00,952 --> 00:32:03,754 that there's, like, something down there. 531 00:32:03,788 --> 00:32:05,756 Like bones or something, I don't know. 532 00:32:05,790 --> 00:32:06,823 And then they'll dig. 533 00:32:08,626 --> 00:32:10,527 Well, I'm gonna get on the horn now 534 00:32:10,561 --> 00:32:14,131 and thank God that we went and had a long conversation with Grote. 535 00:32:17,168 --> 00:32:18,936 Your call has been forwarded 536 00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:20,904 to an automated voice message system. 537 00:32:22,073 --> 00:32:24,308 Hey, there, Lieutenant. It's, uh, Christina Fontana. 538 00:32:24,342 --> 00:32:25,809 I just wanted to give a call 539 00:32:25,843 --> 00:32:28,645 and see if I could touch base about, um, 540 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,815 potential timeline for what would be next, 541 00:32:31,849 --> 00:32:34,651 uh, as far as maybe, uh, taking a look at that area. 542 00:32:34,686 --> 00:32:36,987 Um, you can call me any time I'm around, 543 00:32:37,021 --> 00:32:39,156 um, and I appreciate it. Thank you. Bye. 544 00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,526 She said that she usually has this phone on her. 545 00:32:43,127 --> 00:32:45,228 Um, so... I mean... 546 00:32:47,131 --> 00:32:49,132 I'm hoping she calls back. 547 00:32:49,834 --> 00:32:52,002 I would hate to leave Hannibal 548 00:32:52,036 --> 00:32:55,605 and then have them go check out the lead that we gave them, 549 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,010 um, or have them just not do anything with it. 550 00:33:00,044 --> 00:33:01,545 Like, I wanna make sure that something, 551 00:33:01,579 --> 00:33:03,246 something's gonna be done about this. 552 00:33:03,281 --> 00:33:05,482 And kinda swiftly because as we were all saying, 553 00:33:05,516 --> 00:33:08,518 you know, there were people watching us. 554 00:33:20,898 --> 00:33:23,066 Grote's telling me on the phone this guy 555 00:33:23,101 --> 00:33:24,634 did the radar and there's nothing there. 556 00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:25,836 We're basically moving on. 557 00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:31,775 So Jan, our dog handler, called Grote for the report. 558 00:34:18,923 --> 00:34:20,657 It seems like the conversation 559 00:34:20,691 --> 00:34:24,127 with the dog handler and her initially was very good... 560 00:34:24,162 --> 00:34:25,762 - Yeah. - ...a lot of information sharing. 561 00:34:25,797 --> 00:34:28,165 And then it seems like, it's all of the sudden, you know, 562 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,567 "Oh... uh, he did it. 563 00:34:30,601 --> 00:34:33,203 Can't share with you. I'm sorry." And that's that. 564 00:34:33,237 --> 00:34:34,204 Yeah. 565 00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:35,939 I went to them, and I was like, "By the way", 566 00:34:35,973 --> 00:34:38,475 I'm making this large project about this. 567 00:34:38,509 --> 00:34:39,910 I've been doing it for about nine years. 568 00:34:39,944 --> 00:34:40,977 I wanna work with you. 569 00:34:41,012 --> 00:34:42,546 "I wanna help you in any way I can." 570 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,981 You're at the point where you can't really rule anything out. 571 00:34:45,016 --> 00:34:49,252 Just 'cause you have a ten star on your shirt 572 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,488 and wear a shiny belt with a gun on it doesn't mean 573 00:34:51,522 --> 00:34:53,323 you're always doing thing on the up and up. 574 00:34:53,357 --> 00:34:56,626 And I asked basically, like, "Can we dig anyway?" 575 00:34:56,661 --> 00:34:58,929 Or, like, "Do you think this is just it, 576 00:34:58,963 --> 00:35:00,464 you guys are just gonna walk away?" 577 00:35:00,498 --> 00:35:04,267 And she's like, "Well, I'm bound by legalities 578 00:35:04,302 --> 00:35:05,969 that you guys aren't." 579 00:35:06,003 --> 00:35:07,270 - For what? - Right? 580 00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:10,173 - But why does somebody say something like that? - But for what? 581 00:35:10,208 --> 00:35:11,708 I don't even know what that means. 582 00:35:11,742 --> 00:35:14,444 Like, "I'm bound by things that you're not," 583 00:35:14,479 --> 00:35:18,281 and to me that was, like, kinda, "I mean, I can't dig, 584 00:35:18,316 --> 00:35:19,649 but if you wanna dig..." 585 00:35:21,686 --> 00:35:22,519 Right. 586 00:35:24,422 --> 00:35:26,623 How could I possibly walk away from this 587 00:35:26,657 --> 00:35:30,527 without finding out if there's something there or not? 588 00:35:30,561 --> 00:35:33,029 I can't not check this out. It's how I feel. 589 00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:35,232 Yeah, no. Without a doubt. I agree. 590 00:35:35,266 --> 00:35:40,437 Two dogs hit basically the same area. 591 00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:41,705 Yeah, something is there. 592 00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:43,039 Yeah, there's... Yeah. 593 00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:46,476 - And that in itself gets me so pumped up. - Yeah. 594 00:35:46,511 --> 00:35:48,378 I just feel like we're at the point right now 595 00:35:48,412 --> 00:35:50,981 where no one's gonna do it unless we do it. 596 00:35:53,184 --> 00:35:54,718 Law enforcement isn't helping. 597 00:35:54,752 --> 00:35:56,953 Like, nobody really want to listen to these leads, 598 00:35:56,988 --> 00:35:59,189 so it's sort of like, you, me and two shovels. 599 00:35:59,223 --> 00:36:00,690 Wouldn't have it any other way. 600 00:36:21,379 --> 00:36:24,047 I wanna try to like, um, keep things to a minimum here. 601 00:36:24,081 --> 00:36:25,949 Just, remember those dogs that bark? 602 00:36:25,983 --> 00:36:27,717 I wanna try to not trigger them to bark. 603 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,388 So it's, like, here. 604 00:36:32,256 --> 00:36:33,156 Okay? 605 00:36:59,984 --> 00:37:01,151 Those dogs. 606 00:37:06,991 --> 00:37:08,391 Oh, hey, hey, hey, hey. 607 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,194 What's this? Trees? 608 00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:13,163 No, no, no, no. Leave it. Leave it. 609 00:37:13,197 --> 00:37:14,497 Don't touch anything. That's dangerous. 610 00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:16,266 That is not trees. Leave it. 611 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:17,367 Holy crap. 612 00:37:18,536 --> 00:37:19,803 Do you see what I'm seeing? 613 00:37:28,045 --> 00:37:31,114 No, that's, that's, that's exactly what you think it is. 614 00:37:39,657 --> 00:37:40,490 Here. 615 00:37:56,207 --> 00:37:57,374 I got something else. 616 00:38:04,081 --> 00:38:05,982 I got another one for you. 617 00:38:06,017 --> 00:38:09,919 Here you go. We're definitely finding some bones. 618 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:13,423 I mean, it could be an animal, though. 619 00:38:13,457 --> 00:38:15,392 - We have to get the dog to work that work it. - Sure. 620 00:38:17,595 --> 00:38:19,763 I've got a guy on speed dial as well. 621 00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:20,730 For bones? 622 00:38:27,004 --> 00:38:29,406 Well, and I've got a coroner in St. Louis. 623 00:38:38,749 --> 00:38:39,716 Okay. 624 00:38:41,218 --> 00:38:42,252 Let's keep going. 625 00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:50,760 Christina, this is not, uh... 626 00:38:51,462 --> 00:38:52,462 What is this? 627 00:38:53,564 --> 00:38:54,931 It's very simple in nature, 628 00:38:54,965 --> 00:38:57,567 but it looks like something you would use to, 629 00:38:57,601 --> 00:39:00,937 to strangle somebody, uh, specially from behind. 630 00:39:00,971 --> 00:39:02,706 Those hoops for the fingers 631 00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:05,408 gave you the leverage to do what you need to do. 632 00:39:05,443 --> 00:39:07,043 That's why they're forged in there. 633 00:39:07,078 --> 00:39:08,878 All right, let's just leave it to the side 634 00:39:08,913 --> 00:39:10,513 and have the police look at it. 635 00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:22,525 What's that right there? 636 00:39:24,595 --> 00:39:25,662 Dude, holy shit. 637 00:39:27,531 --> 00:39:28,865 Is that for somebody's hands? 638 00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:31,034 - Yeah, it was. - Yeah. I'm bagging it. 639 00:39:31,068 --> 00:39:34,037 Looks like a great way to secure somebody's movement. 640 00:39:34,071 --> 00:39:35,305 It's just my opinion. 641 00:39:35,339 --> 00:39:37,006 Dude, you keep finding shit right here. 642 00:39:38,175 --> 00:39:39,642 It looks like somebody... 643 00:39:39,677 --> 00:39:42,112 They used this to restrain somebody's legs. 644 00:39:42,146 --> 00:39:43,580 - Arms, legs. - Arms. 645 00:39:43,614 --> 00:39:45,081 Yeah. 646 00:39:45,116 --> 00:39:47,751 My only thought process is, I mean, 647 00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:49,119 we're here for a reason, 648 00:39:49,153 --> 00:39:51,087 and the shit that you're pulling out of the ground... 649 00:39:51,122 --> 00:39:52,455 I know. We're... 650 00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:53,990 - Fits the reason. - I know. 651 00:39:58,129 --> 00:39:59,295 I think we might have company. 652 00:40:00,097 --> 00:40:01,164 Holy crap. 653 00:40:01,198 --> 00:40:02,031 Yeah. 654 00:40:03,601 --> 00:40:04,467 Grab the bags. 655 00:40:07,104 --> 00:40:07,937 Yep. 656 00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:18,748 Hey, we heard some ATVs. We're gonna take what we have to the police. 657 00:40:19,850 --> 00:40:22,085 You wanna just follow us to HPD? 658 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:23,753 Okay. 659 00:40:23,788 --> 00:40:25,221 Yeah, let's just get out of here. 660 00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:26,756 Let's go down to the police station. 661 00:40:35,299 --> 00:40:37,934 At the tone, please record your message. 662 00:40:37,968 --> 00:40:39,502 Hey, Lieutenant Grote, 663 00:40:39,537 --> 00:40:40,870 it's Christina Fontana. 664 00:40:40,905 --> 00:40:42,906 We started digging around a little in that area, 665 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:45,108 and we came across two things that I'm dropping off 666 00:40:45,142 --> 00:40:46,543 at the station for you. 667 00:40:46,577 --> 00:40:48,845 Basically, they look like you could, be used 668 00:40:48,879 --> 00:40:52,882 to restrain somebody and also, potentially, choke somebody. 669 00:40:52,917 --> 00:40:55,051 That thing had fibers on it, so I think, 670 00:40:55,085 --> 00:40:57,454 you know, the right thing to do is to give it to you guys 671 00:40:57,488 --> 00:40:58,855 to do some testing on it. 672 00:40:58,889 --> 00:41:01,324 Um, if you get this phone call give me a callback, 673 00:41:01,358 --> 00:41:03,092 but otherwise I'm pretty much 674 00:41:03,127 --> 00:41:05,628 just gonna be walking into the station and handing it over. 675 00:41:05,663 --> 00:41:07,230 Um, all right, thanks, bye. 676 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,440 So, there's no police officers in there, he said, 677 00:41:17,475 --> 00:41:19,843 so I'm trying to explain to this guy through the window. 678 00:41:19,877 --> 00:41:21,311 He's like, "What do you got?" And I was like, 679 00:41:21,345 --> 00:41:22,912 "Basically, we were helping her out 680 00:41:22,947 --> 00:41:24,147 with one of the cases. 681 00:41:24,181 --> 00:41:26,516 We came across something, you know, 682 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:28,318 that we think that you guys should have." 683 00:41:28,352 --> 00:41:29,586 And he was like, "What is it?" 684 00:41:29,620 --> 00:41:32,021 He's like, "All right, well, I'll put it in our mailbox." 685 00:41:32,056 --> 00:41:33,623 Um, he put it in a plastic bag 686 00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:35,859 and he's gonna put it in her mailbox. 687 00:41:35,893 --> 00:41:38,261 Like, that's what... He was just like, "No one's here." 688 00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:40,463 Like, he's just like a guy sitting behind the desk. 689 00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:41,664 He's not a police officer. 690 00:41:41,699 --> 00:41:43,800 I left a message for Grote. I don't... I mean... 691 00:41:57,548 --> 00:41:59,182 Now, with this whole dig thing, 692 00:41:59,216 --> 00:42:00,483 I feel like we walked away from it. 693 00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:04,053 Like, because we had to go because, like, you know, 694 00:42:04,088 --> 00:42:06,523 "Oh, we hear an ATV. Everybody, we've gotta get out of here." 695 00:42:08,292 --> 00:42:10,059 We didn't even get to run the dog over it. 696 00:42:10,094 --> 00:42:12,395 No. We ran away mid-search. 697 00:42:13,697 --> 00:42:16,199 And now we just handed off our evidence 698 00:42:16,233 --> 00:42:19,369 to some dude behind a desk. 699 00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:24,240 Fuck. We've just given away the murder weapon. 700 00:42:40,624 --> 00:42:43,393 Grote called and she ripped me a new asshole 701 00:42:43,427 --> 00:42:44,661 for going back to that site. 702 00:42:44,695 --> 00:42:47,830 At first, she admitted that she led me to believe 703 00:42:47,865 --> 00:42:49,065 that there was nothing there 704 00:42:49,133 --> 00:42:51,234 because she wanted to "put her cards on the table." 705 00:42:51,268 --> 00:42:53,469 And in the same breath, she was saying 706 00:42:53,504 --> 00:42:54,571 that I misheard her 707 00:42:54,605 --> 00:42:56,806 and that actually was doing a dig after all. 708 00:42:58,242 --> 00:42:59,375 I don't know what to do. 709 00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:01,811 I mean, my hands are tied now, so I have to wait to see 710 00:43:01,845 --> 00:43:02,912 what they do with the dig site. 711 00:43:02,947 --> 00:43:04,280 So hopefully they'll update me. 712 00:43:04,315 --> 00:43:05,615 Your call has been forwarded 713 00:43:05,649 --> 00:43:08,585 to an automatic voice message system. 714 00:43:08,619 --> 00:43:11,421 Hey, Lieutenant Grote, it is Christina Fontana, 715 00:43:11,455 --> 00:43:15,124 uh, calling to see if there's any way to get a general sort of update 716 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,660 about the dig site. 717 00:43:17,695 --> 00:43:20,930 Hey, Lieutenant Grote, this is Christina Fontana again. 718 00:43:20,965 --> 00:43:24,100 Um, I'm just calling to follow up on the, uh, 719 00:43:24,134 --> 00:43:26,536 dig site and the items that we found. 720 00:43:26,570 --> 00:43:30,273 Um, I'm wondering if they were sent out for testing 721 00:43:30,307 --> 00:43:32,475 just to see if there's any DNA on them. 722 00:43:33,644 --> 00:43:35,244 Your call has been forwarded 723 00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:37,113 to an automatic voice message system. 724 00:43:37,147 --> 00:43:39,349 It has been three months. 725 00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:41,918 Over three months at this point. 726 00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:48,992 For recording an attorney-client without their consent? 727 00:43:52,162 --> 00:43:53,429 Your call has been forwarded 728 00:43:53,464 --> 00:43:55,565 to an automatic voice message system. 729 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,736 Lieutenant, uh, look, I'm calling to bug you about that dig site again. 730 00:43:59,770 --> 00:44:02,305 At the tone, please record your message. 731 00:44:02,339 --> 00:44:04,007 We're passing eight months now. 732 00:44:04,708 --> 00:44:07,276 You get a tip in 2015, 16, 733 00:44:07,311 --> 00:44:09,045 that she's probably on this property. 734 00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,681 Enough for you to go actually try to get consent 735 00:44:11,715 --> 00:44:12,649 to get on the land. 736 00:44:12,683 --> 00:44:15,652 A cadaver dog indicated human remains 737 00:44:15,686 --> 00:44:18,721 and we found a garrote and a metal-fasten. 738 00:44:22,393 --> 00:44:23,526 What is it gonna take? 739 00:44:33,637 --> 00:44:35,805 I have no way of knowing 740 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:40,943 when or if Hannibal PD is going to follow up on the dig site or not. 741 00:44:40,978 --> 00:44:45,481 So I turn my attention back to tracking down potential witnesses, 742 00:44:45,549 --> 00:44:49,185 including one who claims he saw Christina partying with several men 743 00:44:49,219 --> 00:44:50,086 the night she disappeared. 744 00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:14,077 If I were to throw any names at you, 745 00:45:14,111 --> 00:45:18,181 would you be able to say, "Yes," or "No," or "Sound familiar"? 746 00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:23,319 What about Darcy Morris? 747 00:45:29,293 --> 00:45:31,160 Okay, what about Anthony McPike? 748 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:36,933 Anthony... 749 00:45:36,967 --> 00:45:38,201 McPike. 750 00:45:38,235 --> 00:45:39,368 Anthony? Okay. 751 00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:57,086 Did any police ever follow up with you on what you know? 752 00:45:57,121 --> 00:46:00,389 I'm only asking this just because I'm just curious 753 00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:02,625 if they even following up on any these leads. 754 00:46:02,659 --> 00:46:04,327 - Did you ever talk to anybody? - No. 755 00:46:04,361 --> 00:46:07,330 No? No police. Oh, man, they drop... Um. Okay. 756 00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:14,170 It makes no sense 757 00:46:14,204 --> 00:46:18,141 because I've given Hannibal PD two solid leads. 758 00:46:18,175 --> 00:46:21,911 Anthony McPike's testimony and a credible tip 759 00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:25,114 that Christina may be buried near Ledbetter's place. 760 00:46:25,149 --> 00:46:28,551 But, to my knowledge, they're not moving on either. 761 00:46:30,554 --> 00:46:34,157 I feel like I get gaslighted by these people. 762 00:46:34,191 --> 00:46:35,958 I've been... I've been going through this 763 00:46:35,993 --> 00:46:39,195 with the fucking family for years. 764 00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:46,369 And now I'm going through it with the police. 765 00:46:51,141 --> 00:46:54,443 I'm starting to understand why Cindy gets so frustrated. 766 00:47:04,288 --> 00:47:06,355 I can't just sit around and wait HPD anymore. 767 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:08,936 - I just can't. And I don't think you can either. - I know. 768 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,561 Uh, I've never sat around waiting for them to start with. 769 00:47:11,595 --> 00:47:13,262 - I know. - I'm always searching myself, you know? 770 00:47:13,297 --> 00:47:15,865 Walk us through it. And you've told this to Christina, I'm sure, 771 00:47:15,933 --> 00:47:17,133 and probably to Gina. 772 00:47:17,167 --> 00:47:18,634 Walk us through about what happened, like, 773 00:47:18,669 --> 00:47:20,169 once you found out that she was missing. 774 00:47:20,204 --> 00:47:23,840 I wanna understand, like, what was the response by the law enforcement? 775 00:47:23,874 --> 00:47:25,708 So you know how the first hours are crucial. 776 00:47:25,742 --> 00:47:28,144 That first weekend, I mean, we came home, 777 00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:32,148 we was in Texas, we got in, uh, we went, right, straight to the police station 778 00:47:32,182 --> 00:47:33,316 as soon as we got in town. 779 00:47:33,350 --> 00:47:35,918 And, um, we filed the report 780 00:47:35,953 --> 00:47:37,820 and, I mean, leads were coming in. 781 00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:40,356 People was calling me, you know, like, left and right. 782 00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:42,592 And every time I'm calling down there, 783 00:47:42,626 --> 00:47:44,894 you know, I have to talk to a different officer. 784 00:47:44,928 --> 00:47:47,396 Like, like Grote even told me, she said at first, 785 00:47:47,431 --> 00:47:49,165 she said, "I thought Christina was kinda, 786 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,634 maybe needed a break and took off for a couple of weeks." 787 00:47:51,668 --> 00:47:54,503 What the hell are you think... What are you talking about? 788 00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:57,173 You know one weird thing I never understood about it 789 00:47:57,207 --> 00:48:00,243 is how come they didn't come investigate us to start with. 790 00:48:00,277 --> 00:48:03,479 We've never been asked questions or where we are. 791 00:48:04,114 --> 00:48:05,648 Never ever. 792 00:48:05,682 --> 00:48:08,885 We told the police that, he said, "I think you should've even questioned us." 793 00:48:08,919 --> 00:48:10,253 He said, "I think you should question everybody." 794 00:48:10,287 --> 00:48:11,454 Why are we telling them how to do their job? 795 00:48:11,488 --> 00:48:13,089 And they said, "Well, we already..." He said... 796 00:48:13,123 --> 00:48:15,258 I mean, that's the logical thing that you would talk to, like, the parents. 797 00:48:15,292 --> 00:48:18,661 To me, I think Christina should've been found. 798 00:48:18,695 --> 00:48:20,730 I think between HPD and Peoria, 799 00:48:20,764 --> 00:48:23,199 FBI in Saint Louis, FBI in Peoria, 800 00:48:23,233 --> 00:48:25,735 and you know, everything that they had available 801 00:48:25,769 --> 00:48:27,136 should've been used, you know? 802 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:28,604 You know, they go to bed at night. 803 00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:30,039 They know where their kids are. 804 00:48:30,073 --> 00:48:31,707 You know, I don't have that luxury. 805 00:48:31,742 --> 00:48:33,509 I don't get... We don't get that. 806 00:48:44,488 --> 00:48:47,623 As hard as I try I can't figure out 807 00:48:47,658 --> 00:48:51,093 why the Hannibal PD refuses to discuss 808 00:48:51,128 --> 00:48:53,729 the case at any level. 809 00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:57,233 What could they possibly have to lose? 810 00:48:57,267 --> 00:49:01,637 But now at least one of the reasons may be surfacing. 811 00:49:01,672 --> 00:49:05,441 Multiple sources, some claiming firsthand knowledge, 812 00:49:05,475 --> 00:49:09,045 have told me that no less than three Hannibal Police officers 813 00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:13,049 have been accused of having a sexual relationship 814 00:49:13,083 --> 00:49:14,583 with Christina Whittaker. 815 00:49:17,387 --> 00:49:21,157 There are also accusations that a local law enforcement official 816 00:49:21,191 --> 00:49:23,826 introduced Christina to cocaine. 817 00:49:24,995 --> 00:49:26,329 There was no words at the time. 818 00:49:26,363 --> 00:49:29,966 It was a multimillion-dollar crack deal 819 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,300 done quietly in Hannibal. 820 00:49:31,335 --> 00:49:34,437 And, you know, there was just some questionable things going on. 821 00:49:34,471 --> 00:49:35,604 Yeah. 822 00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,442 From drugs and, you know, and to, like, just the police. 823 00:49:39,476 --> 00:49:41,444 There was crackheads in high places. 824 00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:43,846 There's no way you could've been... 825 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,781 what was happening down in west side Hannibal 826 00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,651 without it being major, major money involved. 827 00:49:48,685 --> 00:49:49,919 Okay. 828 00:49:49,953 --> 00:49:51,988 With the cops, was there ever some sort of, like, cross... 829 00:49:52,022 --> 00:49:54,023 - I mean, corruption happens everywhere, right? - Mmm-hmm. 830 00:49:54,057 --> 00:49:56,525 Where we have drug dealer in the department... 831 00:49:57,828 --> 00:50:00,796 I would like to talk about my own personal experiences, 832 00:50:00,831 --> 00:50:05,267 but I can't disclose that so just get me... Just get me what... 833 00:50:05,302 --> 00:50:07,636 That's the whole thing was... was the teenagers, 834 00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:09,605 and they were going to parties 835 00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:11,841 with police officers that were on duty. 836 00:50:11,875 --> 00:50:14,844 Doing heavy drugs with them, having sex with them. 837 00:50:14,878 --> 00:50:18,981 I would love to find out who those officers were. 838 00:50:33,730 --> 00:50:35,731 told me about the drinking 839 00:50:35,766 --> 00:50:36,932 and partying and sleeping with the cops. 840 00:50:36,967 --> 00:50:39,268 - Do you remember that going down? - I do. 841 00:50:39,302 --> 00:50:40,503 Were you there? 842 00:50:42,339 --> 00:50:48,544 No. But I know... it's happened with me and her. 843 00:50:48,578 --> 00:50:50,312 At least at the first time. 844 00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:02,691 I know that they had sexual relations. 845 00:51:02,726 --> 00:51:06,362 - I do know that. - I got caught with 846 00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:07,430 on Brook Road. 847 00:51:07,464 --> 00:51:10,199 Oh, did you really? Banging a cop? 848 00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:11,634 Did he ever say anything? 849 00:51:12,402 --> 00:51:13,702 Not to the department. 67755

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