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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,893 --> 00:00:19,812 (indistinct shouting 2 00:00:16,893 --> 00:00:19,812 from photographers) 3 00:00:27,236 --> 00:00:30,114 (indistinct shouting) 4 00:00:34,953 --> 00:00:36,788 Photographer: 5 00:00:34,953 --> 00:00:36,788 Hold that right there, please. 6 00:00:39,791 --> 00:00:42,126 (indistinct shouting continues) 7 00:01:16,869 --> 00:01:18,955 Anna Wintour: The Met stairs, 8 00:01:16,869 --> 00:01:18,955 you know, 9 00:01:18,997 --> 00:01:20,665 that famous red carpet, 10 00:01:20,706 --> 00:01:23,793 has grown in spectacle 11 00:01:20,706 --> 00:01:23,793 over the years. 12 00:01:26,545 --> 00:01:28,213 It's a kind of theater. 13 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:29,757 (man speaks indistinctly) 14 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:33,803 Fashion can create a dream, 15 00:01:29,799 --> 00:01:33,803 create a fantasy. 16 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,518 But there might be some 17 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,518 questions about 18 00:01:40,559 --> 00:01:44,104 whether fashion belongs 19 00:01:40,559 --> 00:01:44,104 in a museum like the Met. 20 00:01:44,146 --> 00:01:45,690 Photographer 2: Rihanna! 21 00:01:46,899 --> 00:01:48,818 (indistinct shouting continues) 22 00:02:27,982 --> 00:02:28,941 (elevator dings) 23 00:02:38,076 --> 00:02:42,413 Some people have a very 19th 24 00:02:38,076 --> 00:02:42,413 century idea of what art is. 25 00:02:44,456 --> 00:02:46,333 There are people 26 00:02:44,456 --> 00:02:46,333 within the museum 27 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:48,794 who still dismiss fashion. 28 00:02:53,049 --> 00:02:55,009 Thomas Campbell: When I 29 00:02:53,049 --> 00:02:55,009 started off as a curator, 30 00:02:55,051 --> 00:02:56,719 art was considered to be 31 00:02:56,761 --> 00:02:59,346 painting, architecture 32 00:02:56,761 --> 00:02:59,346 and sculpture. 33 00:02:59,388 --> 00:03:02,349 Anything outside of that 34 00:02:59,388 --> 00:03:02,349 was decorative arts and, 35 00:03:02,391 --> 00:03:04,102 quite frankly, 36 00:03:02,391 --> 00:03:04,102 looked down on. 37 00:03:04,143 --> 00:03:06,979 Costume and fashion being 38 00:03:04,143 --> 00:03:06,979 one example of that. 39 00:03:08,898 --> 00:03:11,442 Wintour: The museum is 40 00:03:08,898 --> 00:03:11,442 its own little world, 41 00:03:11,483 --> 00:03:12,902 its own little city. 42 00:03:13,945 --> 00:03:16,739 Some more old-fashioned 43 00:03:13,945 --> 00:03:16,739 traditionalists 44 00:03:16,781 --> 00:03:19,951 are used to things being done 45 00:03:16,781 --> 00:03:19,951 in a certain way and 46 00:03:20,492 --> 00:03:23,495 maybe a Costume Institute 47 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,497 makes them a bit uncomfortable. 48 00:03:28,126 --> 00:03:31,045 Harold Koda: Physically, 49 00:03:28,126 --> 00:03:31,045 the Costume Institute is 50 00:03:31,087 --> 00:03:32,212 subterranean. 51 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:36,383 And so the psychology of it 52 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:36,383 has always been that 53 00:03:36,425 --> 00:03:39,428 we were in the north sector... 54 00:03:40,304 --> 00:03:41,513 in a basement. 55 00:03:43,474 --> 00:03:47,394 It was not seen, really, 56 00:03:43,474 --> 00:03:47,394 as an art area. 57 00:03:47,436 --> 00:03:49,063 (indistinct conversation) 58 00:03:49,105 --> 00:03:50,648 Andrew Bolton: 59 00:03:49,105 --> 00:03:50,648 Fashion is still considered 60 00:03:52,399 --> 00:03:53,609 more in the female domain 61 00:03:52,399 --> 00:03:53,609 than something like painting. 62 00:03:55,069 --> 00:03:56,361 I think that's the reason 63 00:03:55,069 --> 00:03:56,361 why some people 64 00:03:56,403 --> 00:03:59,281 are quick to dismiss 65 00:03:56,403 --> 00:03:59,281 fashion as art. 66 00:04:02,827 --> 00:04:06,038 Koda: Fashion seemed 67 00:04:02,827 --> 00:04:06,038 frivolous and trivial 68 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,792 to the 19th century attitudes 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,792 about fine art. 70 00:04:11,085 --> 00:04:14,005 But it's laden with concepts, 71 00:04:14,421 --> 00:04:16,799 aesthetic principals, 72 00:04:17,133 --> 00:04:19,218 the most refined techniques... 73 00:04:20,178 --> 00:04:23,889 Everything that we subject 74 00:04:20,178 --> 00:04:23,889 the criteria of art to. 75 00:04:24,556 --> 00:04:27,351 We're about clothing 76 00:04:24,556 --> 00:04:27,351 as art works. 77 00:04:56,172 --> 00:05:00,300 Wintour: It's rare to find 78 00:04:56,172 --> 00:05:00,300 someone so creative, 79 00:05:00,342 --> 00:05:04,013 that they can change the way 80 00:05:00,342 --> 00:05:04,013 you look at an art form. 81 00:05:04,555 --> 00:05:06,682 But McQueen definitely did. 82 00:05:10,228 --> 00:05:11,478 Newsreader: Our top story: 83 00:05:12,855 --> 00:05:14,481 Alexander McQueen 84 00:05:12,855 --> 00:05:14,481 has been found dead 85 00:05:14,523 --> 00:05:15,900 apparently committing suicide 86 00:05:14,523 --> 00:05:15,900 at his London flat. 87 00:05:15,941 --> 00:05:17,317 Newsreader 2: Brilliant 88 00:05:15,941 --> 00:05:17,317 and controversial 89 00:05:17,359 --> 00:05:18,360 fashion designer... 90 00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:21,363 Newsreader 3: The bad boy of 91 00:05:20,154 --> 00:05:21,363 British fashion died an icon. 92 00:05:21,405 --> 00:05:22,823 An inspirational designer 93 00:05:22,865 --> 00:05:24,658 who helped transform 94 00:05:22,865 --> 00:05:24,658 the fashion industry. 95 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:26,577 Newsreader 4: They were shutting 96 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:26,577 down his shops today, 97 00:05:26,618 --> 00:05:28,954 and there were people fleeing 98 00:05:26,618 --> 00:05:28,954 his shops crying. 99 00:05:34,293 --> 00:05:36,545 (bagpipes playing) 100 00:05:38,256 --> 00:05:40,049 (cameras clicking) 101 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:46,430 Campbell: 102 00:05:43,844 --> 00:05:46,430 It was the immediate aftermath 103 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:48,891 of McQueen's suicide... 104 00:05:49,558 --> 00:05:51,894 Andrew came to me and said that 105 00:05:51,936 --> 00:05:54,646 he had been thinking about 106 00:05:51,936 --> 00:05:54,646 an exhibition. 107 00:05:55,231 --> 00:05:57,275 Tom was reluctant initially. 108 00:05:57,316 --> 00:05:59,526 He felt it was a bit ghoulish. 109 00:05:59,568 --> 00:06:01,112 There needed to be some time 110 00:06:01,153 --> 00:06:04,031 before we did an exhibition 111 00:06:01,153 --> 00:06:04,031 of McQueen. 112 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:05,616 Wintour: 113 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:05,616 A lot of people felt that 114 00:06:07,034 --> 00:06:09,369 an exhibition may not be 115 00:06:07,034 --> 00:06:09,369 appropriate so soon after he, 116 00:06:09,411 --> 00:06:11,371 he died in such 117 00:06:09,411 --> 00:06:11,371 an awful way, 118 00:06:11,413 --> 00:06:14,333 but Andrew is a real visionary, 119 00:06:14,792 --> 00:06:19,671 and our job is to help him 120 00:06:14,792 --> 00:06:19,671 execute his creative genius. 121 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:30,808 Campbell: 122 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:30,808 The combination of the objects, 123 00:06:31,225 --> 00:06:33,852 the very theatrical 124 00:06:31,225 --> 00:06:33,852 mise-en-scène, 125 00:06:34,312 --> 00:06:35,604 the sound... 126 00:06:35,646 --> 00:06:38,274 (sound of rushing air) 127 00:06:39,233 --> 00:06:42,611 There was an immersive 128 00:06:39,233 --> 00:06:42,611 component to the exhibition 129 00:06:42,945 --> 00:06:44,780 that took it to a new level. 130 00:06:50,452 --> 00:06:54,748 The degree to which the show 131 00:06:50,452 --> 00:06:54,748 became a phenomenon... 132 00:06:54,790 --> 00:06:56,625 None of us 133 00:06:54,790 --> 00:06:56,625 were prepared for that. 134 00:06:59,086 --> 00:07:01,630 People queuing around 135 00:06:59,086 --> 00:07:01,630 the museum. 136 00:07:01,672 --> 00:07:04,216 It hasn't happened 137 00:07:01,672 --> 00:07:04,216 for many years. 138 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:07,094 Wintour: 139 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:07,094 It touched a chord in people 140 00:07:07,469 --> 00:07:09,138 that I'd never seen before. 141 00:07:10,514 --> 00:07:15,602 Campbell: It redefined 142 00:07:10,514 --> 00:07:15,602 exhibition-making in museums. 143 00:07:29,783 --> 00:07:31,743 Bolton: "Savage Beauty" 144 00:07:29,783 --> 00:07:31,743 was the turning point 145 00:07:32,119 --> 00:07:36,332 in terms of how art critics 146 00:07:32,119 --> 00:07:36,332 began to view fashion, 147 00:07:37,124 --> 00:07:40,502 and the first time they did 148 00:07:37,124 --> 00:07:40,502 begin to see it as an art form. 149 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:45,549 When you're confronted 150 00:07:43,130 --> 00:07:45,549 by genius, 151 00:07:45,590 --> 00:07:47,843 it speaks to everybody. 152 00:07:50,512 --> 00:07:54,599 McQueen was one of the most 153 00:07:50,512 --> 00:07:54,599 provocative designers, 154 00:07:57,061 --> 00:07:59,730 but I always saw this 155 00:07:57,061 --> 00:07:59,730 incredible beauty 156 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:02,066 about his work 157 00:07:59,771 --> 00:08:02,066 and this deep romance. 158 00:08:04,151 --> 00:08:07,321 He always tried to tap into 159 00:08:04,151 --> 00:08:07,321 this juncture between 160 00:08:07,363 --> 00:08:10,615 beauty and ugliness and terror. 161 00:08:23,212 --> 00:08:26,257 And he had that ability 162 00:08:23,212 --> 00:08:26,257 to use clothes to move you. 163 00:08:30,719 --> 00:08:32,679 The McQueen show has become 164 00:08:30,719 --> 00:08:32,679 a little bit 165 00:08:32,721 --> 00:08:34,265 of an albatross in a way... 166 00:08:34,848 --> 00:08:37,184 A millstone around my neck. 167 00:08:34,848 --> 00:08:37,184 Because it's the show 168 00:08:37,226 --> 00:08:39,519 that every show that 169 00:08:37,226 --> 00:08:39,519 I've done subsequently 170 00:08:39,561 --> 00:08:40,938 is measured against. 171 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:45,317 Invariably the reviews 172 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:45,317 in The New York Times... 173 00:08:46,110 --> 00:08:48,237 "Not as good as 174 00:08:46,110 --> 00:08:48,237 the McQueen show." 175 00:08:49,405 --> 00:08:50,906 And it's sort of... 176 00:08:51,573 --> 00:08:54,868 disappointing to read that 177 00:08:51,573 --> 00:08:54,868 in print 178 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:56,787 because every show 179 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:56,787 has its own momentum. 180 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:06,922 I remember being at school, 181 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:06,922 and we had a career adviser. 182 00:09:08,006 --> 00:09:09,383 They went 183 00:09:08,006 --> 00:09:09,383 around the class saying, 184 00:09:09,425 --> 00:09:10,926 you know, 185 00:09:09,425 --> 00:09:10,926 "What's your ideal job?" 186 00:09:10,968 --> 00:09:12,386 And I said 187 00:09:10,968 --> 00:09:12,386 my ideal job would be 188 00:09:12,428 --> 00:09:14,221 curator in the 189 00:09:12,428 --> 00:09:14,221 Costume Institute of the Met. 190 00:09:14,263 --> 00:09:15,680 And I was about 17. 191 00:09:19,226 --> 00:09:21,603 It really was 192 00:09:19,226 --> 00:09:21,603 a dream come true. 193 00:09:23,272 --> 00:09:25,649 I was just so seduced 194 00:09:23,272 --> 00:09:25,649 by the romance 195 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:27,485 of getting lost 196 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:27,485 in the museum and 197 00:09:27,526 --> 00:09:30,779 finding objects that 198 00:09:27,526 --> 00:09:30,779 you weren't expecting. 199 00:09:32,323 --> 00:09:35,909 But my overwhelming emotion was 200 00:09:32,323 --> 00:09:35,909 just being intimidated by 201 00:09:35,951 --> 00:09:37,411 the museum and the curators. 202 00:09:38,537 --> 00:09:40,831 I felt a bit of a fraud as well, 203 00:09:38,537 --> 00:09:40,831 to be honest. 204 00:09:40,872 --> 00:09:43,417 I felt as if I was gonna get 205 00:09:40,872 --> 00:09:43,417 found out really quickly 206 00:09:43,459 --> 00:09:46,878 that I wasn't actually 207 00:09:43,459 --> 00:09:46,878 meant to be doing the job. 208 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,339 I still feel a bit like that. 209 00:09:50,382 --> 00:09:53,427 This show that we're currently 210 00:09:50,382 --> 00:09:53,427 curating is called 211 00:09:53,469 --> 00:09:54,928 "China: 212 00:09:53,469 --> 00:09:54,928 Through the Looking Glass." 213 00:09:57,556 --> 00:10:00,058 It's a collaboration between 214 00:09:57,556 --> 00:10:00,058 the Costume Institute 215 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,394 and the 216 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,394 Department of Asian Art. 217 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:06,898 We want to show how 218 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:06,898 Western fashion designers 219 00:10:06,940 --> 00:10:09,109 look to China for inspiration. 220 00:10:10,735 --> 00:10:14,490 There is this ongoing dialogue 221 00:10:10,735 --> 00:10:14,490 between the East and the West. 222 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,618 And fashion is easier 223 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,618 to understand 224 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:20,204 than language itself. 225 00:10:22,498 --> 00:10:24,333 Every show I do 226 00:10:22,498 --> 00:10:24,333 is quite personal 227 00:10:24,375 --> 00:10:27,127 and I'm so tired of hearing how 228 00:10:27,169 --> 00:10:30,297 McQueen is the most successful 229 00:10:27,169 --> 00:10:30,297 show we've ever done. 230 00:10:31,673 --> 00:10:33,758 It would be nice if China 231 00:10:31,673 --> 00:10:33,758 was able 232 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,678 to knock it off its pedestal. 233 00:10:54,821 --> 00:10:56,323 Bolton: It's like the 234 00:10:54,821 --> 00:10:56,323 Great Wall of China. 235 00:10:56,365 --> 00:10:57,241 (Wintour chuckles) 236 00:10:58,492 --> 00:11:00,202 - Let's start at the beginning 237 00:10:58,492 --> 00:11:00,202 - Wintour: Wow! 238 00:11:00,244 --> 00:11:02,454 - Wintour: 239 00:11:00,244 --> 00:11:02,454 - It's huge. Yeah. 240 00:11:02,829 --> 00:11:04,081 Bolton: We have a 241 00:11:02,829 --> 00:11:04,081 whole section based on 242 00:11:04,122 --> 00:11:05,332 blue and white porcelain. 243 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:08,335 Starting with a really early one 244 00:11:06,875 --> 00:11:08,335 from Molyneux from the 20s. 245 00:11:08,377 --> 00:11:10,754 - And then Sarah's from... 246 00:11:08,377 --> 00:11:10,754 - Wintour: They were amazing. 247 00:11:10,795 --> 00:11:13,215 Bolton: This is Guo Pei, 248 00:11:10,795 --> 00:11:13,215 a Chinese designer. 249 00:11:13,549 --> 00:11:16,760 Cavalli, Karl, Rodarte... 250 00:11:17,553 --> 00:11:21,848 That leads into 251 00:11:17,553 --> 00:11:21,848 St. Laurent's Chinese collection 252 00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:24,017 - and his Opium scent. 253 00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:24,017 - Okay. 254 00:11:24,059 --> 00:11:27,062 We're borrowing one of those 255 00:11:24,059 --> 00:11:27,062 from the St. Laurent archive. 256 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:28,855 But the big presence really 257 00:11:28,897 --> 00:11:31,233 is John's Chinese collection 258 00:11:28,897 --> 00:11:31,233 for Dior. 259 00:11:47,832 --> 00:11:49,918 Oh, wow! 260 00:11:54,798 --> 00:11:56,300 Look at the fullness. 261 00:12:01,597 --> 00:12:03,098 Love his tailoring. 262 00:12:09,771 --> 00:12:13,233 Bolton: Galliano is a designer 263 00:12:09,771 --> 00:12:13,233 who is difficult to unpack. 264 00:12:13,275 --> 00:12:15,569 Because he's collaging 265 00:12:13,275 --> 00:12:15,569 all these ideas 266 00:12:15,611 --> 00:12:16,945 into a particular collection. 267 00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:20,407 He's taken the idea of 268 00:12:18,071 --> 00:12:20,407 the 18th Century panier, 269 00:12:20,449 --> 00:12:22,826 which is normally at the side 270 00:12:20,449 --> 00:12:22,826 of the gown, 271 00:12:22,867 --> 00:12:24,536 and twisted it around 272 00:12:22,867 --> 00:12:24,536 so its frontal. 273 00:12:24,578 --> 00:12:28,123 He's doing so many references 274 00:12:24,578 --> 00:12:28,123 to the Bowery, the Queen Mother. 275 00:12:28,582 --> 00:12:32,085 Eighteenth century, 276 00:12:28,582 --> 00:12:32,085 Peking opera, Kabuki. 277 00:12:34,630 --> 00:12:36,507 He's an amazing storyteller 278 00:12:36,548 --> 00:12:39,176 on the level of 279 00:12:36,548 --> 00:12:39,176 fantasy and romance. 280 00:12:40,469 --> 00:12:43,096 So I wanted to interview John 281 00:12:40,469 --> 00:12:43,096 because he looks at China 282 00:12:43,138 --> 00:12:44,973 constantly for inspiration. 283 00:12:46,475 --> 00:12:50,688 What surprised me was how 284 00:12:46,475 --> 00:12:50,688 consistent China was as 285 00:12:50,729 --> 00:12:53,607 an inspiration in your work 286 00:12:50,729 --> 00:12:53,607 and I just wanted to find out, 287 00:12:53,649 --> 00:12:54,692 why China? 288 00:12:55,900 --> 00:13:00,780 I think it was 289 00:12:55,900 --> 00:13:00,780 that sense of mystery and... 290 00:13:01,532 --> 00:13:04,784 ...danger, but only danger that 291 00:13:01,532 --> 00:13:04,784 you've got that feeling 292 00:13:04,826 --> 00:13:07,037 through portrayals 293 00:13:04,826 --> 00:13:07,037 from Hollywood. 294 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,457 There's mixtures of Chinese 295 00:13:07,454 --> 00:13:10,457 opera, geisha 296 00:13:10,499 --> 00:13:12,167 and the Queen Mother... 297 00:13:13,502 --> 00:13:17,172 I don't think I set out to 298 00:13:13,502 --> 00:13:17,172 recreate China. 299 00:13:17,506 --> 00:13:20,509 As you can see, 300 00:13:17,506 --> 00:13:20,509 I certainly didn't achieve it. 301 00:13:21,843 --> 00:13:23,554 So, it was a fantasized... 302 00:13:24,596 --> 00:13:26,348 ...vision of China. 303 00:13:31,603 --> 00:13:34,356 A fictional character develops, 304 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:37,984 and I kinda, like, 305 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:37,984 start living it, 306 00:13:38,026 --> 00:13:39,194 breathing it. 307 00:13:40,779 --> 00:13:44,115 Paint the picture who she is, 308 00:13:40,779 --> 00:13:44,115 how she looks by candle light. 309 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,868 Can you smell that 310 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:46,868 powdery lipstick? 311 00:13:51,749 --> 00:13:55,252 I like to express my emotion 312 00:13:51,749 --> 00:13:55,252 through the cut. 313 00:13:56,169 --> 00:13:57,629 Each time you cut a fabric, 314 00:13:57,671 --> 00:14:00,507 it's a different 315 00:13:57,671 --> 00:14:00,507 relationship you have to it. 316 00:14:00,549 --> 00:14:03,510 It can be like 317 00:14:00,549 --> 00:14:03,510 mercurial liquid oil. 318 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,930 Or like licorice. 319 00:14:08,599 --> 00:14:11,602 The creative process 320 00:14:08,599 --> 00:14:11,602 is my meditation. 321 00:14:13,437 --> 00:14:16,147 Playing with textures 322 00:14:13,437 --> 00:14:16,147 and shapes and volumes... 323 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:19,234 That's something that I love. 324 00:14:21,737 --> 00:14:23,071 And because of that, 325 00:14:23,530 --> 00:14:27,534 I am able to 326 00:14:23,530 --> 00:14:27,534 to even think about 327 00:14:27,576 --> 00:14:32,372 going back into an industry 328 00:14:27,576 --> 00:14:32,372 where I've become an outcast. 329 00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:38,670 That fantasy world that 330 00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:38,670 I create is an escape for me. 331 00:14:39,296 --> 00:14:41,506 (indistinct chatter) 332 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:55,395 Bolton: John weaves these 333 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,939 very personal 334 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,277 and seemingly bizarre narratives 335 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,277 into his fashion. 336 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:09,033 It's quite easy to dismiss 337 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:09,033 fashion designer's 338 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:11,077 engagement with China, 339 00:15:11,119 --> 00:15:13,246 as being inauthentic. 340 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,586 But I want to focus on these 341 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,586 works of art that are 342 00:15:19,628 --> 00:15:23,674 extraordinary examples of 343 00:15:19,628 --> 00:15:23,674 a designer's imagination. 344 00:15:25,801 --> 00:15:28,261 You think about someone 345 00:15:25,801 --> 00:15:28,261 like Saint Laurent... 346 00:15:28,804 --> 00:15:32,140 He absolutely changed 347 00:15:28,804 --> 00:15:32,140 the course of fashion history. 348 00:15:46,655 --> 00:15:49,741 There's about 2,000 pieces 349 00:15:46,655 --> 00:15:49,741 in total haute couture? 350 00:15:49,783 --> 00:15:51,242 I think it's more. 351 00:15:51,576 --> 00:15:54,120 - Between 5,000 and 6,000. 352 00:15:51,576 --> 00:15:54,120 - Six thousand. 353 00:16:01,211 --> 00:16:03,213 - So beautiful... 354 00:16:01,211 --> 00:16:03,213 - It's a Mondrian. 355 00:16:03,254 --> 00:16:04,464 You've got so many of them. 356 00:16:04,506 --> 00:16:07,008 Yeah, we have different 357 00:16:04,506 --> 00:16:07,008 versions. 358 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:08,259 Bolton: The Mondrian dress, 359 00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:10,721 with the idea of lining up 360 00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:10,721 the stripes. 361 00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:12,222 It's such tour de force, 362 00:16:10,762 --> 00:16:12,222 isn't it? 363 00:16:12,556 --> 00:16:13,932 Bolton: It looks very easy. 364 00:16:14,265 --> 00:16:15,975 It's such a complicated thing 365 00:16:14,265 --> 00:16:15,975 to achieve. 366 00:16:16,017 --> 00:16:17,352 It's so radical. 367 00:16:18,812 --> 00:16:20,480 Do you have the '71? 368 00:16:20,522 --> 00:16:22,858 - Seventy-one fur, yeah! 369 00:16:20,522 --> 00:16:22,858 - You do. 370 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:24,067 Yeah. Okay. 371 00:16:25,694 --> 00:16:27,111 Bolton: The craftsmanship that 372 00:16:25,694 --> 00:16:27,111 went Saint Laurent's clothes, 373 00:16:27,153 --> 00:16:29,656 his usage of embroidery, 374 00:16:27,153 --> 00:16:29,656 the element of camp... 375 00:16:29,698 --> 00:16:30,657 It's iconic. 376 00:16:32,075 --> 00:16:33,243 Bolton: They are unquestionably 377 00:16:32,075 --> 00:16:33,243 works of art. 378 00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:35,704 Oh, my goodness, 379 00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:35,704 I haven't seen that before. 380 00:16:35,746 --> 00:16:36,996 It's very modern. 381 00:16:37,038 --> 00:16:38,456 Unbelievable. 382 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:42,377 Bolton: I see so much 383 00:16:39,624 --> 00:16:42,377 magic still in fashion. 384 00:16:44,128 --> 00:16:45,881 It's just overwhelming. 385 00:16:45,923 --> 00:16:47,215 A dream come true. 386 00:16:48,884 --> 00:16:50,093 (chuckles) 387 00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:57,058 Bolton: I grew up in 388 00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:57,058 a small town in England. 389 00:16:58,727 --> 00:17:03,732 And the only access 390 00:16:58,727 --> 00:17:03,732 I had to fashion were 391 00:17:03,774 --> 00:17:06,401 star magazines, 392 00:17:03,774 --> 00:17:06,401 emerging in the 80s. 393 00:17:09,613 --> 00:17:11,281 I just missed 394 00:17:09,613 --> 00:17:11,281 the punk movement. 395 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,867 The first movement that 396 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,867 I really engaged with 397 00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:15,076 was New Romanticism. 398 00:17:16,411 --> 00:17:18,580 Which was all about 399 00:17:16,411 --> 00:17:18,580 gender blurring. 400 00:17:24,753 --> 00:17:27,046 I remember seeing people 401 00:17:24,753 --> 00:17:27,046 on the streets 402 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:28,381 thinking how they looked like 403 00:17:28,423 --> 00:17:30,258 they'd arrived 404 00:17:28,423 --> 00:17:30,258 from another planet. 405 00:17:32,928 --> 00:17:34,596 But also how brave they were. 406 00:17:36,807 --> 00:17:41,269 I was so impressed by the power 407 00:17:36,807 --> 00:17:41,269 of fashion 408 00:17:41,311 --> 00:17:44,397 to confront gender 409 00:17:41,311 --> 00:17:44,397 and sexuality. 410 00:17:47,358 --> 00:17:49,444 That's never left me, anyway. 411 00:17:50,862 --> 00:17:54,240 You're still that little kid 412 00:17:50,862 --> 00:17:54,240 from Lancashire who... 413 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:56,785 ...is totally in awe. 414 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:15,012 Ah, Lawrence, 415 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:15,012 where is Singh, please? 416 00:18:15,637 --> 00:18:18,181 - Lawrence: 417 00:18:15,637 --> 00:18:18,181 - Okay. 418 00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:34,197 Wintour: 419 00:18:32,153 --> 00:18:34,197 The Costume Institute and Vogue 420 00:18:34,238 --> 00:18:35,782 have a long history together. 421 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:40,119 Diana Vreeland actually ran it 422 00:18:37,450 --> 00:18:40,119 after she left Vogue. 423 00:18:40,495 --> 00:18:42,455 Please don't stand there! 424 00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:46,626 Wintour: We have one major party 425 00:18:43,957 --> 00:18:46,626 every year 426 00:18:47,002 --> 00:18:50,505 to raise funds for 427 00:18:47,002 --> 00:18:50,505 the Costume Institute. 428 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,465 The party supports 429 00:18:52,507 --> 00:18:56,720 our operating budget 430 00:18:52,507 --> 00:18:56,720 for the entire year. 431 00:18:57,971 --> 00:19:01,432 Koda: The Met Gala 432 00:18:57,971 --> 00:19:01,432 was the invention of 433 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:04,268 this small group of 434 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:04,268 fashion professionals. 435 00:19:05,228 --> 00:19:06,688 It was relatively small, 436 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:08,857 but the department itself 437 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:08,857 was very small. 438 00:19:09,858 --> 00:19:11,735 Bolton: Anna's taking it 439 00:19:09,858 --> 00:19:11,735 to a different level, 440 00:19:11,776 --> 00:19:15,238 in terms of the money that 441 00:19:11,776 --> 00:19:15,238 she's raised over the years. 442 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,199 $120 million 443 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,199 for our department alone. 444 00:19:18,783 --> 00:19:20,827 Michelle Obama: 445 00:19:18,783 --> 00:19:20,827 Thanks to Anna's contributions, 446 00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:22,662 the exhibits at 447 00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:22,662 the Costume Institute 448 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:26,249 have drawn hundreds 449 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:26,249 of thousands of visitors 450 00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:28,668 to this great American museum. 451 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:30,670 (applause) 452 00:19:38,803 --> 00:19:41,389 Since Anna Wintour has 453 00:19:38,803 --> 00:19:41,389 taken over the Met ball, 454 00:19:41,765 --> 00:19:45,769 it has become the Super Bowl of 455 00:19:41,765 --> 00:19:45,769 social fashion events. 456 00:19:46,394 --> 00:19:47,604 It starts with months 457 00:19:46,394 --> 00:19:47,604 of preparations, 458 00:19:47,645 --> 00:19:49,147 not just for the exhibit, 459 00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:51,399 but for the actual Met Gala. 460 00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:56,362 Woman: We're starting to plan 461 00:19:52,984 --> 00:19:56,362 for the gala, 462 00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:58,615 starting to organize 463 00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:58,615 with everything. 464 00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,533 Do we want to talk 465 00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,533 about guest count right now? 466 00:20:00,575 --> 00:20:03,536 I think we should keep 467 00:20:00,575 --> 00:20:03,536 the number as low 468 00:20:03,578 --> 00:20:04,829 as we possibly can. 469 00:20:04,871 --> 00:20:05,580 We were 608 last year. 470 00:20:06,623 --> 00:20:07,498 Okay, 471 00:20:06,623 --> 00:20:07,498 we're gonna start with 500. 472 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:09,126 - Five hundred. 473 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:09,126 - Five hundred. 474 00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:10,376 Five hundred. 475 00:20:11,795 --> 00:20:12,545 And everybody is cutting 476 00:20:11,795 --> 00:20:12,545 their numbers, right, Harold? 477 00:20:13,964 --> 00:20:15,590 - Do we need to talk about it? 478 00:20:13,964 --> 00:20:15,590 - Yeah, we're trying. 479 00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:18,176 There is the issue of 480 00:20:15,924 --> 00:20:18,176 our partnership with 481 00:20:18,217 --> 00:20:19,803 the Chinese Department... 482 00:20:20,178 --> 00:20:21,429 That's another... 483 00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:23,347 We really have to keep 484 00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:23,347 the numbers down 485 00:20:23,389 --> 00:20:24,849 and also the free seats. 486 00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:28,686 There must be another way 487 00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:28,686 that we can accommodate people. 488 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,648 You'll figure it out. 489 00:20:33,024 --> 00:20:37,946 Anna is meticulously 490 00:20:33,024 --> 00:20:37,946 vetting every single thing, 491 00:20:37,988 --> 00:20:40,949 from the napkins, to the forks, 492 00:20:37,988 --> 00:20:40,949 to the lighting... 493 00:20:42,117 --> 00:20:44,410 The detail of the flowers, 494 00:20:42,117 --> 00:20:44,410 the detail of the ushers, 495 00:20:44,452 --> 00:20:45,578 the way they're dressed. 496 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:48,081 Everything has been vetted 497 00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:48,081 by her for months 498 00:20:48,123 --> 00:20:49,582 and weeks and months and weeks. 499 00:20:49,624 --> 00:20:54,129 Okay, is there going to be 500 00:20:49,624 --> 00:20:54,129 somebody literally here? 501 00:20:54,171 --> 00:20:55,463 We have two people here. 502 00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:57,007 Will there be 503 00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:57,007 someone there too? 504 00:20:57,048 --> 00:21:00,051 Yes, we have 505 00:20:57,048 --> 00:21:00,051 literally an army up here. 506 00:21:00,093 --> 00:21:02,929 It's a full battle squad. 507 00:21:05,807 --> 00:21:07,475 André Leon Talley: 508 00:21:05,807 --> 00:21:07,475 She has her legions, 509 00:21:07,517 --> 00:21:09,769 her generals, 510 00:21:07,517 --> 00:21:09,769 who work at Vogue. 511 00:21:09,811 --> 00:21:13,314 Hi, girls, the plan today 512 00:21:09,811 --> 00:21:13,314 is just to walk through 513 00:21:13,356 --> 00:21:15,608 the path that our guests 514 00:21:13,356 --> 00:21:15,608 are gonna be taking, 515 00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:18,528 and also to place you 516 00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:18,528 in your positions. 517 00:21:18,569 --> 00:21:20,155 So if you could make 518 00:21:18,569 --> 00:21:20,155 your way up the stairs, 519 00:21:20,197 --> 00:21:21,739 just stagger yourselves, girls. 520 00:21:21,781 --> 00:21:23,992 Please scatter a few steps up. 521 00:21:26,577 --> 00:21:28,454 Talley: 522 00:21:26,577 --> 00:21:28,454 Now, the Met is a place 523 00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:31,166 that you consider 524 00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:31,166 very, very correct. 525 00:21:31,582 --> 00:21:33,251 Very formal. 526 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:35,336 Anna has taken that 527 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:35,336 out of the Met. 528 00:21:37,421 --> 00:21:38,673 Photographer: Happy! 529 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,817 Sylvana Ward Durrett: 530 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,817 We have Dave Franco, 531 00:21:57,859 --> 00:21:59,485 and then who's the other one 532 00:21:57,859 --> 00:21:59,485 you were saying? 533 00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:01,154 Josh Hartnett. 534 00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:03,156 What has he done lately? 535 00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:03,156 Nothing. 536 00:22:03,573 --> 00:22:04,949 You guys are set. 537 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,785 You have great 538 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,785 carpet material right now. 539 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,580 Yeah, you have Kendall! 540 00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:17,420 Michael Kors has 541 00:22:12,916 --> 00:22:17,420 Liz Banks and Kate Hudson. 542 00:22:17,461 --> 00:22:19,380 Prada has Emily Blunt. 543 00:22:19,756 --> 00:22:22,133 Ralph has Anne Hathaway. 544 00:22:22,175 --> 00:22:24,219 Versace has JLo. 545 00:22:24,635 --> 00:22:28,181 Beyoncé, Kim and Kanye, 546 00:22:28,598 --> 00:22:31,726 Rihanna, Kara, 547 00:22:32,435 --> 00:22:33,519 Amber Heard, 548 00:22:33,561 --> 00:22:35,188 Chastain, Julianne Moore... 549 00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:38,399 All of those people are us, 550 00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:38,399 I believe, right? 551 00:22:38,441 --> 00:22:39,692 Woman: Yes. 552 00:22:40,151 --> 00:22:41,319 They want to come? 553 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,154 - We're not completely sure yet. 554 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,154 - Okay. 555 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,907 Baz Luhrmann: As an icon, 556 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,907 Anna is very unique. 557 00:22:46,449 --> 00:22:48,451 On the face of it, 558 00:22:46,449 --> 00:22:48,451 she's the editor 559 00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:51,454 of a very powerful 560 00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:51,454 American-based magazine. 561 00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:57,752 She's the artistic director 562 00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:57,752 of a whole stable of magazines. 563 00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:03,591 But that is not really the 564 00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:03,591 power of Anna Wintour. 565 00:23:05,969 --> 00:23:08,554 Anna's gift 566 00:23:05,969 --> 00:23:08,554 is bringing culture, 567 00:23:08,596 --> 00:23:10,723 both high and low, 568 00:23:11,308 --> 00:23:12,683 to cross-fertilize. 569 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:14,727 - Hi, guys! 570 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:14,727 - Hey, Anna! 571 00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:16,520 - You ready? 572 00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:16,520 - Totally. 573 00:23:16,562 --> 00:23:18,439 Okay, let's see the walk. 574 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:24,570 The Met Gala is a celebration of 575 00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:24,570 a multi-cultural moment. 576 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,283 Pop and fine art mix in 577 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,283 the Metropolitan Museum. 578 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,577 Luhrmann: You can have an 579 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,577 acting icon next to 580 00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:34,122 a musical icon, 581 00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:34,122 next to a political icon. 582 00:23:34,705 --> 00:23:37,083 It's like a giant aquarium 583 00:23:34,705 --> 00:23:37,083 on that night. 584 00:23:38,251 --> 00:23:41,171 Durrett: A lot of thought goes 585 00:23:38,251 --> 00:23:41,171 into who sits next to who. 586 00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:43,298 If they sat next to each other 587 00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:43,298 last year. 588 00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:45,675 If they sat next to each other 589 00:23:43,340 --> 00:23:45,675 at other events. 590 00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:48,803 So much goes into it. 591 00:23:46,050 --> 00:23:48,803 It's shocking. 592 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:51,389 A lot of power-brokering. 593 00:23:51,722 --> 00:23:54,684 Alex has six seats, 594 00:23:51,722 --> 00:23:54,684 he's bringing 595 00:23:54,725 --> 00:23:56,978 Gaga, Miley, Zoe. 596 00:23:57,478 --> 00:23:58,896 Here's Tory. 597 00:23:58,938 --> 00:23:59,772 Durrett: Ah-hah. 598 00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:02,025 She's looking for 599 00:24:00,773 --> 00:24:02,025 one other guy. 600 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,320 And then Ricardo is 601 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,320 down here with Jessica, 602 00:24:05,362 --> 00:24:07,989 Julianne and Beyoncé. 603 00:24:08,365 --> 00:24:09,532 So that's that. 604 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,286 What Anna has done is 605 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,286 understood that high fashion, 606 00:24:13,328 --> 00:24:17,665 I mean, the most extraordinary 607 00:24:13,328 --> 00:24:17,665 expression of this medium, 608 00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:21,127 when it's paired 609 00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:21,127 with celebrity, 610 00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:23,171 becomes something 611 00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:23,171 bigger than both. 612 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,508 And that is 613 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:27,508 what happens on the red carpet. 614 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:32,347 When you see Rihanna 615 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:32,347 in a couture gown, 616 00:24:32,763 --> 00:24:34,265 it's transcendent. 617 00:24:35,558 --> 00:24:38,477 Talley: 618 00:24:35,558 --> 00:24:38,477 Each celebrity has been chosen 619 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,272 to wear a gown by designers. 620 00:24:41,605 --> 00:24:43,024 It's like assignments. 621 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:45,735 The Met, for me, means a lot. 622 00:24:45,776 --> 00:24:47,486 It's the only red carpet I do. 623 00:24:48,196 --> 00:24:50,823 Riccardo Tisci: Each designer 624 00:24:48,196 --> 00:24:50,823 brings his own muse. 625 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:54,369 A singer, a friend, 626 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:54,369 a model, an actress. 627 00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:58,539 You bring the person that most 628 00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:58,539 represents your aesthetic. 629 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,585 Koda: That attention all accrues 630 00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:04,962 to the reputation 631 00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:04,962 of the museum. 632 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:08,383 I thought he wasn't coming. 633 00:25:08,425 --> 00:25:10,551 I know, but then he decided 634 00:25:08,425 --> 00:25:10,551 he wanted to come. 635 00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:13,763 Okay. Can he not be on his 636 00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:13,763 cell phone the entire time then? 637 00:25:13,804 --> 00:25:15,890 - Mm-hmmm. 638 00:25:13,804 --> 00:25:15,890 - Maybe send him that message. 639 00:25:16,391 --> 00:25:17,808 Loud and clear. 640 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:20,186 - Who's that? 641 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:20,186 - These are the two H&M people. 642 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:23,064 Wintour: 643 00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:23,064 We shouldn't bury this table. 644 00:25:23,564 --> 00:25:24,899 Seriously. 645 00:25:25,483 --> 00:25:27,485 - Yes. 646 00:25:25,483 --> 00:25:27,485 - That's not fair. 647 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,028 - Okay. 648 00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:29,028 - Okay? 649 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:31,322 And then who are these people? 650 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:34,575 Those are people who 651 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:34,575 I'm hoping will go away. 652 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:38,621 Okay. 653 00:26:00,477 --> 00:26:02,895 The exhibition, "China through 654 00:26:00,477 --> 00:26:02,895 the Looking Glass," 655 00:26:02,937 --> 00:26:04,814 will present 656 00:26:02,937 --> 00:26:04,814 an image of China 657 00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:06,983 that is a fabulous invention. 658 00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:09,360 Often film is the first lens 659 00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:12,405 through Western designers 660 00:26:09,402 --> 00:26:12,405 encounter Chinese imagery. 661 00:26:13,656 --> 00:26:16,700 And the exhibition will explore 662 00:26:13,656 --> 00:26:16,700 the impact of movies 663 00:26:16,742 --> 00:26:18,661 in shaping their fantasies. 664 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:30,714 The film perhaps that's had the 665 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:30,714 greatest influence on designers, 666 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:33,176 is Wong Kar Wai's 667 00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:33,176 In the Mood for Love. 668 00:26:36,137 --> 00:26:38,473 No one has made the chi-pao 669 00:26:36,137 --> 00:26:38,473 look quite as beautiful 670 00:26:38,515 --> 00:26:40,766 on screen as Wong Kar Wai. 671 00:26:44,728 --> 00:26:46,147 In the Mood for Love, 672 00:26:46,189 --> 00:26:49,275 I would see it many times 673 00:26:46,189 --> 00:26:49,275 and I love it. 674 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:53,988 It was like a truly, 675 00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:53,988 like, beautiful gesture. 676 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:55,948 The colors were fantastic. 677 00:26:56,491 --> 00:26:59,618 It's after that that I did 678 00:26:56,491 --> 00:26:59,618 my Chinese collection. 679 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:02,038 I think is must be like 680 00:26:59,660 --> 00:27:02,038 one year after. 681 00:27:05,333 --> 00:27:07,751 It's good even not 682 00:27:05,333 --> 00:27:07,751 to go to the country! 683 00:27:08,169 --> 00:27:10,338 It's better, I think, 684 00:27:08,169 --> 00:27:10,338 like to see through a book, 685 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:13,216 or to see all movie, 686 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:13,216 on the souvenir you have. 687 00:27:14,592 --> 00:27:16,553 Bolton: We thought Kar Wai was 688 00:27:14,592 --> 00:27:16,553 the right choice 689 00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:19,847 to be the artistic director 690 00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:19,847 of the exhibition. 691 00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:23,351 Bolton: We're working on 692 00:27:21,849 --> 00:27:23,351 the exhibition 693 00:27:23,393 --> 00:27:24,810 design concepts still. 694 00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:26,770 We're having the films 695 00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:26,770 be the filter 696 00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:30,483 between the art objects 697 00:27:26,812 --> 00:27:30,483 and the high fashions. 698 00:27:30,525 --> 00:27:31,984 Sometimes directly related, 699 00:27:32,026 --> 00:27:34,862 and sometimes more of 700 00:27:32,026 --> 00:27:34,862 a metaphorical device. 701 00:27:37,407 --> 00:27:40,577 I would love the films 702 00:27:37,407 --> 00:27:40,577 to be projected, 703 00:27:40,618 --> 00:27:43,079 so that they're almost these 704 00:27:40,618 --> 00:27:43,079 spectral figures 705 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,539 throughout the show. 706 00:27:46,123 --> 00:27:49,210 Because I don't think this show 707 00:27:46,123 --> 00:27:49,210 will have a linear narrative. 708 00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:53,339 Now the structure of the show 709 00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:53,339 is more like a Chinese garden. 710 00:27:53,381 --> 00:27:57,718 You have an entrance, 711 00:27:53,381 --> 00:27:57,718 but then you're free to walk. 712 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,220 That's a really good point. 713 00:27:59,845 --> 00:28:02,515 Kar Wai: 714 00:27:59,845 --> 00:28:02,515 So, I would use this medium 715 00:28:02,557 --> 00:28:06,852 to create a continuity 716 00:28:02,557 --> 00:28:06,852 and, also, the expression. 717 00:28:12,316 --> 00:28:14,527 Bolton: There's two venues 718 00:28:12,316 --> 00:28:14,527 for the exhibition. 719 00:28:14,569 --> 00:28:16,613 We have 720 00:28:14,569 --> 00:28:16,613 the Costume Institute galleries 721 00:28:16,654 --> 00:28:17,947 in the basement of the museum, 722 00:28:17,988 --> 00:28:20,032 and then we also have 723 00:28:17,988 --> 00:28:20,032 the Chinese galleries 724 00:28:20,074 --> 00:28:21,742 on the second floor. 725 00:28:23,578 --> 00:28:24,912 The Chinese galleries 726 00:28:24,954 --> 00:28:26,038 themselves weren't designed 727 00:28:24,954 --> 00:28:26,038 for costumes, 728 00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:28,874 they were designed for 729 00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:28,874 flat works of art. 730 00:28:28,916 --> 00:28:30,751 So incorporating costume 731 00:28:28,916 --> 00:28:30,751 within them 732 00:28:30,793 --> 00:28:33,087 is challenging, 733 00:28:30,793 --> 00:28:33,087 to say the least! 734 00:28:33,921 --> 00:28:35,423 Mike Hearn: We have over 735 00:28:33,921 --> 00:28:35,423 50 galleries 736 00:28:35,465 --> 00:28:36,924 of Asian art at the Met, 737 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:39,594 so it's probably the most 738 00:28:38,551 --> 00:28:39,594 comprehensive collection 739 00:28:39,636 --> 00:28:40,719 of Asian art anywhere. 740 00:28:42,305 --> 00:28:44,807 There are bigger collections of 741 00:28:42,305 --> 00:28:44,807 Chinese art in China obviously. 742 00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:48,269 There's better collections of 743 00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:48,269 Cambodian art in Cambodia. 744 00:28:48,603 --> 00:28:50,313 But we do a pretty good job. 745 00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:56,611 What I want to do is 746 00:28:52,690 --> 00:28:56,611 do these 20-foot plexi-rods of 747 00:28:56,653 --> 00:29:00,072 different sizes of that 748 00:28:56,653 --> 00:29:00,072 naturally bend and light them. 749 00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:01,658 So this is the first room 750 00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:01,658 that you see. 751 00:29:01,699 --> 00:29:03,284 Yes, bamboo forest. 752 00:29:03,326 --> 00:29:06,496 The bamboo platform comes 753 00:29:03,326 --> 00:29:06,496 all the way out here, 754 00:29:06,537 --> 00:29:07,705 then it turns. 755 00:29:07,955 --> 00:29:09,415 The height of the bamboo 756 00:29:07,955 --> 00:29:09,415 goes just underneath 757 00:29:09,457 --> 00:29:11,792 - the Arthur Sackler... 758 00:29:09,457 --> 00:29:11,792 - Bolton: Gallery. 759 00:29:12,502 --> 00:29:14,170 Nathan Crowley: 760 00:29:12,502 --> 00:29:14,170 As you walk to the great 761 00:29:14,211 --> 00:29:15,713 early Buddha sculpture hall, 762 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:18,716 you are transported 763 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:18,716 into another world. 764 00:29:19,175 --> 00:29:22,886 We tried to show Chinese art 765 00:29:19,175 --> 00:29:22,886 from the perspective 766 00:29:22,928 --> 00:29:24,972 of the Chinese themselves. 767 00:29:25,014 --> 00:29:26,599 It's not Disneyland. 768 00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:29,686 I'm gonna put a 769 00:29:27,057 --> 00:29:29,686 14-foot wide platform 770 00:29:29,727 --> 00:29:31,103 by 12-foot platform here. 771 00:29:31,145 --> 00:29:32,605 Cover this with a grey mirror. 772 00:29:32,647 --> 00:29:34,524 I think Mike thought it might 773 00:29:32,647 --> 00:29:34,524 look a bit too Disney. 774 00:29:34,565 --> 00:29:37,360 We're gonna have panels anyway. 775 00:29:34,565 --> 00:29:37,360 I think we just make them. 776 00:29:39,654 --> 00:29:41,614 Bolton: The curators in 777 00:29:39,654 --> 00:29:41,614 the Asian Art Department 778 00:29:41,656 --> 00:29:42,823 were worried about 779 00:29:44,408 --> 00:29:45,075 some of the topics 780 00:29:44,408 --> 00:29:45,075 the exhibition was addressing. 781 00:29:46,452 --> 00:29:49,497 It opens up debates 782 00:29:46,452 --> 00:29:49,497 about colonialism, 783 00:29:49,955 --> 00:29:51,290 Orientalism, 784 00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:54,877 which could be interpreted 785 00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:54,877 as being racist. 786 00:29:55,586 --> 00:29:56,754 Hearn: For the West, 787 00:29:58,255 --> 00:29:59,006 it didn't matter 788 00:29:58,255 --> 00:29:59,006 whether we're talking about 789 00:29:59,048 --> 00:29:59,882 China, Japan, Korea. 790 00:30:01,592 --> 00:30:03,636 All of that was somehow 791 00:30:01,592 --> 00:30:03,636 lumped together as "Oriental." 792 00:30:04,345 --> 00:30:07,306 And I think there's still 793 00:30:04,345 --> 00:30:07,306 a really strong sense 794 00:30:07,348 --> 00:30:09,975 that China has been 795 00:30:07,348 --> 00:30:09,975 taken advantage of, 796 00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:12,895 maybe misunderstood, 797 00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:12,895 by the West. 798 00:30:22,697 --> 00:30:24,281 Isn't this place marvelous? 799 00:30:24,907 --> 00:30:26,283 Look at those faces. 800 00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:28,077 Hindu, Chinese, Portuguese, 801 00:30:28,118 --> 00:30:29,828 Filipinos, Russians, 802 00:30:28,118 --> 00:30:29,828 Malaya. 803 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:31,581 I didn't think such 804 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:31,581 a place existed 805 00:30:31,622 --> 00:30:33,332 except in my own imagination. 806 00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:36,711 Bolton: So many designers 807 00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:36,711 reference China 808 00:30:36,753 --> 00:30:39,129 through the films of the 30s. 809 00:30:41,131 --> 00:30:43,342 It's the China 810 00:30:41,131 --> 00:30:43,342 that is the stereotype. 811 00:30:44,719 --> 00:30:47,513 And I want to sort of 812 00:30:44,719 --> 00:30:47,513 deconstruct those stereotypes. 813 00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:52,351 And tease out some of the 814 00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:52,351 complexities and the dangers, 815 00:30:53,561 --> 00:30:56,063 but also the romance of them, 816 00:30:53,561 --> 00:30:56,063 as well. 817 00:30:59,149 --> 00:31:02,528 Anna May Wong was 818 00:30:59,149 --> 00:31:02,528 a Hollywood starlet 819 00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:04,572 in the 30s and 40s, 820 00:31:04,614 --> 00:31:06,115 who was fated to play 821 00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:08,492 stereotypes of 822 00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:08,492 the Chinese woman. 823 00:31:10,578 --> 00:31:13,038 And it's either 824 00:31:10,578 --> 00:31:13,038 the Lotus Blossom, 825 00:31:14,331 --> 00:31:15,416 or the Dragon Lady, 826 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,628 which is basically 827 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,628 an Orientalized femme fatale. 828 00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:20,337 Don't do anything foolish. 829 00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:24,091 The Dragon Lady is a figure 830 00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:24,091 who projects our fears 831 00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:26,510 and desires and 832 00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:26,510 anxieties onto you. 833 00:31:28,262 --> 00:31:30,389 She is quasi-matriarchal, 834 00:31:30,431 --> 00:31:33,392 she is financially independent, 835 00:31:30,431 --> 00:31:33,392 she's sexually liberated. 836 00:31:34,435 --> 00:31:37,688 She in a way lends herself 837 00:31:34,435 --> 00:31:37,688 to a feminist interpretation... 838 00:31:38,981 --> 00:31:41,651 ...because the Dragon Lady 839 00:31:38,981 --> 00:31:41,651 has become a way to represent 840 00:31:41,692 --> 00:31:42,860 any powerful woman. 841 00:31:44,445 --> 00:31:46,572 I though the gentleman in the 842 00:31:44,445 --> 00:31:46,572 black night gown was the boss. 843 00:31:46,614 --> 00:31:48,783 Who, Money Bags? 844 00:31:46,614 --> 00:31:48,783 He's an errand boy. 845 00:31:49,325 --> 00:31:51,452 The real boss is 846 00:31:49,325 --> 00:31:51,452 a remarkable lady, 847 00:31:51,494 --> 00:31:54,413 the most cold-blooded 848 00:31:51,494 --> 00:31:54,413 dragon you will ever meet. 849 00:31:54,455 --> 00:31:58,125 She'll devour you like a cat 850 00:31:54,455 --> 00:31:58,125 swallows a mouse. 851 00:32:11,972 --> 00:32:13,140 I've never seen 852 00:32:11,972 --> 00:32:13,140 anything like it. 853 00:32:13,182 --> 00:32:15,058 You walk in and this 854 00:32:13,182 --> 00:32:15,058 is what you see? 855 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:16,560 It's not possible. 856 00:32:16,977 --> 00:32:18,395 This is the reception area? 857 00:32:18,437 --> 00:32:19,563 Man: This is when you walk in... 858 00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:20,356 The racks? 859 00:32:20,397 --> 00:32:22,107 I need to look at a plan. 860 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:26,111 This is not what you want to see 861 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:26,111 when people walk in. 862 00:32:26,153 --> 00:32:28,947 Okay, so this has to go. Xavier, 863 00:32:26,153 --> 00:32:28,947 are you listening to me? 864 00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:30,199 - Yes. 865 00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:30,199 - Okay. 866 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,950 All this furniture here 867 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,950 should go. 868 00:32:31,992 --> 00:32:33,243 Get rid of all that. 869 00:32:33,536 --> 00:32:35,454 It has to look like an area 870 00:32:33,536 --> 00:32:35,454 that you walk into. 871 00:32:35,496 --> 00:32:37,289 - That it's professional. 872 00:32:35,496 --> 00:32:37,289 - Yes. 873 00:32:37,331 --> 00:32:40,668 Not like a second-hand 874 00:32:37,331 --> 00:32:40,668 vintage store. 875 00:32:41,836 --> 00:32:43,754 No, no, no, 876 00:32:41,836 --> 00:32:43,754 in the closet. 877 00:32:45,297 --> 00:32:47,466 What about the lobby furniture? 878 00:32:47,508 --> 00:32:49,259 I didn't even look at that. 879 00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:51,428 This is making me feel 880 00:32:49,301 --> 00:32:51,428 violently ill. 881 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:53,514 Take the whole thing out. 882 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:53,514 It's horrible. 883 00:32:53,556 --> 00:32:55,224 It's just gonna give people 884 00:32:53,556 --> 00:32:55,224 a headache. 885 00:32:55,265 --> 00:32:57,434 Are we able to soften it 886 00:32:55,265 --> 00:32:57,434 a little bit so it's not... 887 00:32:57,476 --> 00:32:59,102 So it doesn't look like a disco. 888 00:33:02,022 --> 00:33:04,441 (indistinct speech) 889 00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:08,070 Let me say something about 890 00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:08,070 the Dragon Lady image. 891 00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:10,489 Anna has a public image. 892 00:33:10,531 --> 00:33:12,241 Hi, thank you for joining us. 893 00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:14,284 Anna Wintour, welcome to CNN. 894 00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:16,245 Luhrmann: A lot of that is 895 00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:16,245 absolutely true, 896 00:33:16,286 --> 00:33:19,957 but I do think that if 897 00:33:16,286 --> 00:33:19,957 Anna was a man, 898 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,502 there might be 899 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:23,502 less focus on that. 900 00:33:23,544 --> 00:33:25,880 Because of your success 901 00:33:23,544 --> 00:33:25,880 and your determination, 902 00:33:25,922 --> 00:33:28,507 you've earned a reputation of 903 00:33:25,922 --> 00:33:28,507 being intimidating. 904 00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:29,800 Is that unfair? 905 00:33:31,385 --> 00:33:33,763 Um, I think I'm decisive, 906 00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:35,472 and I like to get 907 00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:35,472 things done quickly, 908 00:33:35,806 --> 00:33:38,183 so if that comes across 909 00:33:35,806 --> 00:33:38,183 as intimidation, 910 00:33:38,225 --> 00:33:39,393 I'm sorry to hear it. 911 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:42,646 There are so many 912 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:42,646 different stereotypes and... 913 00:33:43,606 --> 00:33:44,648 I... 914 00:33:45,274 --> 00:33:48,318 ...think if one is bothered 915 00:33:45,274 --> 00:33:48,318 by it, 916 00:33:48,986 --> 00:33:53,198 ...it's a little bit fruitless 917 00:33:48,986 --> 00:33:53,198 because it's out there. 918 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,658 Inevitably, I have to ask you 919 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,577 just one question about 920 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,577 Devil Wears Prada. 921 00:33:56,619 --> 00:33:58,454 A former assistant 922 00:33:56,619 --> 00:33:58,454 wrote the book, 923 00:33:58,495 --> 00:33:59,997 later turned into a movie. 924 00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:03,125 Do you feel that that 925 00:34:00,372 --> 00:34:03,125 was a breach of trust? 926 00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:06,044 Ah, well... 927 00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:07,755 It's part of life. 928 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,882 Stereotypes always 929 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,882 are going to exist, 930 00:34:09,924 --> 00:34:11,801 is what you do with them, 931 00:34:09,924 --> 00:34:11,801 what you make of them. 932 00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,344 I think that she brought 933 00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,344 attention to fashion, 934 00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:17,389 in a way... You can look at 935 00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:17,389 it in a negative way, 936 00:34:17,431 --> 00:34:18,766 or in a positive way. 937 00:34:18,808 --> 00:34:20,977 I choose to look at it 938 00:34:18,808 --> 00:34:20,977 in a positive way. 939 00:34:21,018 --> 00:34:24,104 In some ways, I think 940 00:34:21,018 --> 00:34:24,104 I should be grateful to her. 941 00:34:24,521 --> 00:34:27,608 Luhrmann: I've seen her recently 942 00:34:24,521 --> 00:34:27,608 play herself, 943 00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:30,945 and she plays the person 944 00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:30,945 everyone thinks she is. 945 00:34:32,154 --> 00:34:35,449 But it's a character. 946 00:34:32,154 --> 00:34:35,449 It's kind of her "work armor." 947 00:34:36,492 --> 00:34:39,495 (indistinct conversations) 948 00:34:40,454 --> 00:34:42,957 Man: There's an updated 949 00:34:40,454 --> 00:34:42,957 decor concept. 950 00:34:43,457 --> 00:34:46,627 We've floralized 951 00:34:43,457 --> 00:34:46,627 quite a lot of the design. 952 00:34:47,336 --> 00:34:49,546 This is one idea. 953 00:34:50,464 --> 00:34:52,508 And now this is the other. 954 00:34:52,549 --> 00:34:54,426 That might be a bit much 955 00:34:52,549 --> 00:34:54,426 for the carpet. 956 00:34:54,468 --> 00:34:56,386 I think that we can... 957 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:57,680 - Tone it down. 958 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:57,680 - Exactly. 959 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,641 That's a lot of flowers. 960 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:00,641 What are the flowers underneath? 961 00:35:01,517 --> 00:35:03,769 - Looks like wisteria. 962 00:35:01,517 --> 00:35:03,769 - It's wisteria, yes. 963 00:35:03,811 --> 00:35:05,145 Wisteria and bamboo. 964 00:35:05,187 --> 00:35:07,189 What about pale lilac rather...? 965 00:35:07,230 --> 00:35:08,565 We can do pale. 966 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,233 Cause I think pale 967 00:35:08,607 --> 00:35:10,233 would look prettier 968 00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:11,986 with the blue 969 00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:11,986 than that dark color. 970 00:35:12,028 --> 00:35:14,404 - I don't like that combination. 971 00:35:12,028 --> 00:35:14,404 - With this color. 972 00:35:14,446 --> 00:35:16,073 - But pale. 973 00:35:14,446 --> 00:35:16,073 - Yes. 974 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:18,826 - We can go back to this. 975 00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:18,826 - Yeah, we'll talk about it. 976 00:35:20,494 --> 00:35:22,204 - Temple of Dendur... 977 00:35:20,494 --> 00:35:22,204 - Wow... 978 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:23,413 Don't know about that. 979 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:24,790 Man: What aren't you sure of? 980 00:35:24,832 --> 00:35:27,376 I don't see how you can compete 981 00:35:24,832 --> 00:35:27,376 with the temple. 982 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,336 Whatever you put there 983 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:29,336 is gonna look fake. 984 00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:31,296 Man: 985 00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:31,296 There's very little we can do. 986 00:35:31,338 --> 00:35:33,215 This is gonna look like 987 00:35:31,338 --> 00:35:33,215 a Chinese restaurant. 988 00:35:34,717 --> 00:35:36,635 I just don't see how 989 00:35:34,717 --> 00:35:36,635 you can compete with that. 990 00:35:36,677 --> 00:35:38,595 - Yeah, no. 991 00:35:36,677 --> 00:35:38,595 - I mean it's, well... 992 00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:40,806 If it was at night, 993 00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:40,806 you have more of a chance. 994 00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:41,807 Yeah. 995 00:35:43,017 --> 00:35:44,560 So my advice is, 996 00:35:43,017 --> 00:35:44,560 I would keep to the bridge, 997 00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:46,520 - I'd definitely do the lilies. 998 00:35:44,601 --> 00:35:46,520 - Bolton: The lilies. 999 00:35:46,562 --> 00:35:49,857 And some decoration and then 1000 00:35:46,562 --> 00:35:49,857 some Chinese-type furniture. 1001 00:35:50,691 --> 00:35:51,817 Okay, thank you. 1002 00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:06,707 Bolton: We haven't yet finalized 1003 00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:06,707 the design of the exhibition. 1004 00:36:07,041 --> 00:36:09,292 We're end of December 1005 00:36:07,041 --> 00:36:09,292 at the moment, 1006 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:11,503 so that's pretty late, 1007 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:11,503 in fact, it's very late. 1008 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:16,508 Campbell: 1009 00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:16,508 One of the big challenges 1010 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:18,552 is the short time period 1011 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:18,552 in which 1012 00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:20,679 we are pulling 1013 00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:20,679 the exhibition together. 1014 00:36:21,097 --> 00:36:23,891 It's the largest costume 1015 00:36:21,097 --> 00:36:23,891 exhibition we've ever done. 1016 00:36:25,601 --> 00:36:27,519 I really want the pace 1017 00:36:25,601 --> 00:36:27,519 to change 1018 00:36:27,561 --> 00:36:29,312 when you go through, 1019 00:36:27,561 --> 00:36:29,312 so I like the fact that 1020 00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,690 this is quieter 1021 00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,690 and more reflective. 1022 00:36:31,732 --> 00:36:32,775 And here, 1023 00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:35,778 - it's just sensory overload. 1024 00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:35,778 - It's just a drawing. 1025 00:36:35,819 --> 00:36:36,653 Bolton: 1026 00:36:35,819 --> 00:36:36,653 It's proving difficult, 1027 00:36:38,155 --> 00:36:40,699 not just because of the size 1028 00:36:38,155 --> 00:36:40,699 and scope of the exhibition, 1029 00:36:41,075 --> 00:36:43,410 but there's a lot of 1030 00:36:41,075 --> 00:36:43,410 conceptual challenges 1031 00:36:43,452 --> 00:36:44,870 and political hurdles. 1032 00:36:45,203 --> 00:36:47,915 (speaking Chinese) 1033 00:36:47,957 --> 00:36:49,541 Bolton: They're constantly being 1034 00:36:47,957 --> 00:36:49,541 brought up 1035 00:36:49,583 --> 00:36:51,168 by the Asian Art Department. 1036 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:52,419 Probably this one... 1037 00:36:53,754 --> 00:36:54,880 Hearn: What is key for 1038 00:36:53,754 --> 00:36:54,880 the success of all of this 1039 00:36:54,922 --> 00:36:56,715 is that there is some 1040 00:36:54,922 --> 00:36:56,715 conversation with 1041 00:36:56,757 --> 00:37:00,510 the Chinese works of art, so 1042 00:36:56,757 --> 00:37:00,510 that it is not just wallpaper. 1043 00:37:01,929 --> 00:37:04,222 I think bringing 1044 00:37:01,929 --> 00:37:04,222 Western fashion 1045 00:37:04,264 --> 00:37:06,142 into the Chinese galleries 1046 00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:09,103 could be perceived as 1047 00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:09,103 a misinterpretation of 1048 00:37:09,145 --> 00:37:12,564 who the Chinese are, 1049 00:37:09,145 --> 00:37:12,564 what Chinese culture is about. 1050 00:37:12,606 --> 00:37:14,858 - (elevator dings) 1051 00:37:12,606 --> 00:37:14,858 - (indistinct speech) 1052 00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:23,909 This area is fashion 1053 00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:23,909 inspired by Imperial China. 1054 00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:25,661 So the idea is 1055 00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:28,288 the Chinese objects will be 1056 00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:28,288 in the perimeters 1057 00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:29,790 in the cases and 1058 00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:29,790 the fashion's in the middle, 1059 00:37:29,832 --> 00:37:32,250 that's the constant 1060 00:37:29,832 --> 00:37:32,250 you can see throughout. 1061 00:37:32,626 --> 00:37:35,545 We put a color theme 1062 00:37:32,626 --> 00:37:35,545 to each of these rooms 1063 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,507 by using a light source 1064 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,507 around those objects. 1065 00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:41,301 So we go from blue 1066 00:37:38,548 --> 00:37:41,301 probably to gold 1067 00:37:41,343 --> 00:37:43,720 and over to red. 1068 00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:46,264 The different light 1069 00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:46,264 colors the rooms. 1070 00:37:46,306 --> 00:37:48,517 Is that a bit rainbow? 1071 00:37:49,852 --> 00:37:50,769 Maybe... 1072 00:37:52,188 --> 00:37:52,896 Bolton: You don't want to be 1073 00:37:52,188 --> 00:37:52,896 fighting with the objects. 1074 00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:55,816 It'd be nice if it was a very 1075 00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:55,816 subtle glow because otherwise, 1076 00:37:55,858 --> 00:37:57,776 your eyes are being dilated 1077 00:37:55,858 --> 00:37:57,776 by the light in the-- 1078 00:37:57,818 --> 00:37:59,820 You don't want it to look 1079 00:37:57,818 --> 00:37:59,820 like an amusement park. 1080 00:37:59,862 --> 00:38:00,946 Yeah. 1081 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:03,699 All right, let's go on. 1082 00:38:04,033 --> 00:38:06,785 So now we go 1083 00:38:04,033 --> 00:38:06,785 into the bamboo forest, 1084 00:38:06,827 --> 00:38:09,621 so we moved on and become 1085 00:38:06,827 --> 00:38:09,621 a little more surreal, 1086 00:38:09,663 --> 00:38:11,748 by using lit plexi-rod. 1087 00:38:12,249 --> 00:38:15,169 It transfers the light 1088 00:38:12,249 --> 00:38:15,169 all the way through the rod. 1089 00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:17,629 I'm hoping over 20 foot 1090 00:38:18,214 --> 00:38:20,090 it would still maintain 1091 00:38:18,214 --> 00:38:20,090 a lot of that light. 1092 00:38:20,507 --> 00:38:21,717 Bolton: That's great. 1093 00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:23,677 And you're okay, Mike? 1094 00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:27,014 What we want to be careful about 1095 00:38:25,095 --> 00:38:27,014 is just making sure that 1096 00:38:27,056 --> 00:38:30,350 between the costumes 1097 00:38:27,056 --> 00:38:30,350 and the bamboo forest, 1098 00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:33,729 that we don't completely 1099 00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:33,729 obscure the sculptures there. 1100 00:38:34,354 --> 00:38:36,065 My goal is just 1101 00:38:34,354 --> 00:38:36,065 to make sure that 1102 00:38:36,106 --> 00:38:37,941 the Chinese objects 1103 00:38:36,106 --> 00:38:37,941 really look their best, 1104 00:38:37,983 --> 00:38:40,527 and that they aren't 1105 00:38:37,983 --> 00:38:40,527 overshadowed or 1106 00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:43,488 demeaned by whatever 1107 00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:43,488 we do design-wise. 1108 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:45,615 But obviously for the run 1109 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:45,615 of this exhibition, 1110 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,826 those objects are 1111 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,826 going to be not... 1112 00:38:47,868 --> 00:38:49,786 They're gonna be 1113 00:38:47,868 --> 00:38:49,786 less accessible. 1114 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:53,040 But there's plenty of other 1115 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:53,040 things for people to see. 1116 00:38:53,874 --> 00:38:56,585 I generally like the idea, 1117 00:38:53,874 --> 00:38:56,585 but I just want to 1118 00:38:56,626 --> 00:38:59,671 exercise as much discretion 1119 00:38:56,626 --> 00:38:59,671 as possible, 1120 00:38:59,713 --> 00:39:01,798 so that nobody comes around 1121 00:38:59,713 --> 00:39:01,798 and just says 1122 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,677 we're using Chinese art 1123 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,677 as just a stage prop. 1124 00:39:07,888 --> 00:39:09,514 In the architectural drawings, 1125 00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:11,892 I created all these sight lines 1126 00:39:09,556 --> 00:39:11,892 to the artwork. 1127 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,728 I think there's 700 rods. 1128 00:39:16,272 --> 00:39:17,522 Do you think we need that many? 1129 00:39:17,981 --> 00:39:20,442 Yeah, I think we might need to 1130 00:39:17,981 --> 00:39:20,442 go to a thousand. 1131 00:39:21,277 --> 00:39:23,779 Well, yeah, but it takes 1132 00:39:21,277 --> 00:39:23,779 a lot to fill a room, 1133 00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:25,864 and your room is enormous. 1134 00:39:25,906 --> 00:39:29,576 At first, I thought 1135 00:39:25,906 --> 00:39:29,576 we'd need 3,000 so... 1136 00:39:31,661 --> 00:39:34,164 Which seems like a lot, 1137 00:39:31,661 --> 00:39:34,164 but it's not. 1138 00:39:40,129 --> 00:39:42,839 Are these tablecloths all 1139 00:39:40,129 --> 00:39:42,839 going to be different colors? 1140 00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:44,883 Yes, so these tablecloths 1141 00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:44,883 are going to be 1142 00:39:44,925 --> 00:39:48,428 - the colors of the cushions. 1143 00:39:44,925 --> 00:39:48,428 - Yeah, I like those colors. 1144 00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:52,390 - Yeah. 1145 00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:52,390 - Oh... 1146 00:39:52,432 --> 00:39:53,809 - (doorbell rings) 1147 00:39:52,432 --> 00:39:53,809 - Okay. 1148 00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:56,686 - How are you? 1149 00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:56,686 - Hello. 1150 00:39:57,437 --> 00:39:58,438 - Hi. 1151 00:39:57,437 --> 00:39:58,438 - Hi. 1152 00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:00,774 - So much to talk about. 1153 00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:00,774 - I know. 1154 00:40:00,816 --> 00:40:03,944 Can I ask this question? 1155 00:40:00,816 --> 00:40:03,944 How "Chinesey" like...? 1156 00:40:04,361 --> 00:40:05,570 We can show you. 1157 00:40:06,905 --> 00:40:08,490 Like, how chinoiserie is it? 1158 00:40:06,905 --> 00:40:08,490 Is the whole thing? 1159 00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:10,117 Let me show you a rendering. 1160 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:11,576 Wintour: 1161 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:11,576 What do you think about this, 1162 00:40:11,618 --> 00:40:12,953 as you walk up the steps? 1163 00:40:14,997 --> 00:40:16,832 Raul Àvila: 1164 00:40:14,997 --> 00:40:16,832 Dragons when people arrive. 1165 00:40:17,207 --> 00:40:18,458 So that's why... 1166 00:40:20,002 --> 00:40:20,961 It's more like an entrance, 1167 00:40:20,002 --> 00:40:20,961 like, "Hey, you're in China." 1168 00:40:21,461 --> 00:40:23,588 Dragons might be 1169 00:40:21,461 --> 00:40:23,588 a bit too obvious. 1170 00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:24,923 Can I say this? 1171 00:40:24,965 --> 00:40:26,758 I think it's 1172 00:40:24,965 --> 00:40:26,758 fantastically strong, 1173 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,093 and I think it should be strong. 1174 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,093 Right? 1175 00:40:28,135 --> 00:40:30,553 But the reason 1176 00:40:28,135 --> 00:40:30,553 I'm slightly reticent is, 1177 00:40:30,595 --> 00:40:32,764 in terms of the crowd coming, 1178 00:40:32,806 --> 00:40:37,144 how much 1179 00:40:32,806 --> 00:40:37,144 classical Chinese imagery 1180 00:40:37,186 --> 00:40:38,728 do you think they expect? 1181 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,605 What they're gonna see 1182 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,605 when they walk in. 1183 00:40:40,647 --> 00:40:42,983 When you go inside the 1184 00:40:40,647 --> 00:40:42,983 great hall, you see this. 1185 00:40:43,817 --> 00:40:46,903 Now that I think is 1186 00:40:43,817 --> 00:40:46,903 unassailably beautiful. 1187 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:50,573 They say "China" without saying 1188 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:50,573 "Chinese theme park." 1189 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:52,409 I think the double dragons 1190 00:40:50,615 --> 00:40:52,409 at the front 1191 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,119 belong to another show. 1192 00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:57,455 Right? 1193 00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:57,455 And by the way, 1194 00:40:57,873 --> 00:41:00,709 the water slide at the end 1195 00:40:57,873 --> 00:41:00,709 of it is awesome, right? 1196 00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:02,211 - Okay? 1197 00:41:00,750 --> 00:41:02,211 - (laughter) 1198 00:41:04,004 --> 00:41:06,215 Is this based 1199 00:41:04,004 --> 00:41:06,215 on a Chinese something? 1200 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,552 Anna, it's the "something" part 1201 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,552 than I'm worried about. 1202 00:41:13,763 --> 00:41:17,142 The complexity of the subject 1203 00:41:13,763 --> 00:41:17,142 matter itself requires 1204 00:41:17,184 --> 00:41:19,853 delicate handling 1205 00:41:17,184 --> 00:41:19,853 so we're not misunderstood. 1206 00:41:21,855 --> 00:41:24,566 We're working around 1207 00:41:21,855 --> 00:41:24,566 the main mine fields. 1208 00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:27,069 How many pieces in 1209 00:41:25,608 --> 00:41:27,069 the exhibition? 1210 00:41:27,403 --> 00:41:29,863 You already got everything 1211 00:41:27,403 --> 00:41:29,863 you want to borrow from China? 1212 00:41:29,905 --> 00:41:31,656 We're just waiting to hear 1213 00:41:29,905 --> 00:41:31,656 from the Imperial Palace. 1214 00:41:32,324 --> 00:41:33,992 It would be ideal 1215 00:41:32,324 --> 00:41:33,992 to get a Mao suit 1216 00:41:34,034 --> 00:41:37,413 worn from one of 1217 00:41:34,034 --> 00:41:37,413 the Communist Party members 1218 00:41:37,454 --> 00:41:38,663 during the Cultural Revolution. 1219 00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:41,541 But, I think, politically, 1220 00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:41,541 I think it's difficult. 1221 00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:47,256 Mao is an icon, and so there's 1222 00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:47,256 a limit to what our Chinese 1223 00:41:47,881 --> 00:41:51,427 friends will tolerate in terms 1224 00:41:47,881 --> 00:41:51,427 of how Mao is treated. 1225 00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:54,054 - It has to be respectful. 1226 00:41:52,052 --> 00:41:54,054 - I think so. 1227 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:57,933 Of course, something is probably 1228 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:57,933 going to blow up at any moment. 1229 00:42:10,904 --> 00:42:13,907 The building with all the flags 1230 00:42:10,904 --> 00:42:13,907 is the National Museum. 1231 00:42:14,741 --> 00:42:16,826 Then the one on 1232 00:42:14,741 --> 00:42:16,826 the other side of the flag 1233 00:42:16,868 --> 00:42:18,745 is the Great Hall of the People. 1234 00:42:20,830 --> 00:42:22,707 And this is the entrance to 1235 00:42:20,830 --> 00:42:22,707 The Forbidden City. 1236 00:42:22,749 --> 00:42:24,251 So you'll see the Mao portrait. 1237 00:42:32,592 --> 00:42:33,802 It's incredible. 1238 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:37,555 On display next to me is a dress 1239 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:37,555 by Roberto Cavalli, 1240 00:42:37,597 --> 00:42:40,809 whose colors and motifs 1241 00:42:37,597 --> 00:42:40,809 pay obvious homage 1242 00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:42,560 to Chinese 1243 00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:42,560 blue and white porcelain. 1244 00:42:43,103 --> 00:42:46,898 Fashion is about ideas. 1245 00:42:43,103 --> 00:42:46,898 The way we live. 1246 00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:48,775 (indistinct conversation) 1247 00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,945 Campbell: Guys, you really have 1248 00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,945 your work cut out. 1249 00:42:52,612 --> 00:42:54,781 Our aim is to beat 1250 00:42:52,612 --> 00:42:54,781 McQueen numbers. 1251 00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:59,244 Bolton: "China, 1252 00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:59,244 Through the Looking Glass," 1253 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:02,247 I think it's going to be 1254 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:02,247 inevitably controversial. 1255 00:43:03,957 --> 00:43:05,334 There's going to be dissenters. 1256 00:43:06,835 --> 00:43:08,128 But I'm not afraid of 1257 00:43:06,835 --> 00:43:08,128 controversy. 1258 00:43:09,963 --> 00:43:11,047 And I think the show should be 1259 00:43:09,963 --> 00:43:11,047 controversial and provocative. 1260 00:43:12,632 --> 00:43:14,050 - Hi! 1261 00:43:12,632 --> 00:43:14,050 - Hey... 1262 00:43:14,092 --> 00:43:15,844 - Good to see you again. 1263 00:43:14,092 --> 00:43:15,844 - Good to see you. 1264 00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:19,722 Bolton: So here is where 1265 00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:19,722 I'm thinking about putting Mao, 1266 00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,475 the Buddha gallery. 1267 00:43:22,142 --> 00:43:24,269 It's the only space I can think 1268 00:43:22,142 --> 00:43:24,269 about putting him. 1269 00:43:25,103 --> 00:43:29,107 I think if we can have 1270 00:43:25,103 --> 00:43:29,107 the Mao jacket sculpture here, 1271 00:43:29,149 --> 00:43:31,276 that would be the centerpiece, 1272 00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:33,945 focusing on the idea of 1273 00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:33,945 changing nature 1274 00:43:34,321 --> 00:43:36,823 of deities within China and 1275 00:43:34,321 --> 00:43:36,823 the idea of monumentality... 1276 00:43:36,865 --> 00:43:39,493 You'd be able to take out 1277 00:43:36,865 --> 00:43:39,493 all these Buddhas here? 1278 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,828 We'd keep the Buddhas in. 1279 00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:45,248 And you put Mao with 1280 00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:45,248 all these Buddhas? 1281 00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:46,333 Yeah. 1282 00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:51,380 I think it makes sense 1283 00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:51,380 intellectually because of 1284 00:43:51,713 --> 00:43:53,631 the deification of Mao in China. 1285 00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:57,344 I think it would be surprising 1286 00:43:54,632 --> 00:43:57,344 to have Mao in that space. 1287 00:43:59,888 --> 00:44:01,348 And it makes sense. 1288 00:44:08,897 --> 00:44:10,648 You have some hesitancy 1289 00:44:08,897 --> 00:44:10,648 still, Kar Wai, 1290 00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:11,816 about the Buddhist gallery. 1291 00:44:11,858 --> 00:44:13,151 - Yeah. 1292 00:44:11,858 --> 00:44:13,151 - You still feel it. 1293 00:44:13,193 --> 00:44:15,945 You still feel Mao 1294 00:44:13,193 --> 00:44:15,945 might not work there? 1295 00:44:16,821 --> 00:44:18,907 Because I think it will be... 1296 00:44:19,949 --> 00:44:23,745 First of all, it will be 1297 00:44:19,949 --> 00:44:23,745 an insult, too sensitive 1298 00:44:23,786 --> 00:44:26,081 for like, not the government, 1299 00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:29,418 besides that, it's the Chinese 1300 00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:29,418 and also the Buddhists. 1301 00:44:31,794 --> 00:44:32,921 And I'm thinking... 1302 00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:34,464 Is it nice to get 1303 00:44:33,171 --> 00:44:34,464 some controversy though? 1304 00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:36,883 Maybe not the way that you want. 1305 00:44:36,925 --> 00:44:38,968 Not in this particular context. 1306 00:44:39,386 --> 00:44:41,137 Why don't we just put it 1307 00:44:41,471 --> 00:44:44,974 just before you walk into 1308 00:44:41,471 --> 00:44:44,974 this big Buddhist hall. 1309 00:44:45,016 --> 00:44:46,851 You have this Mao section. 1310 00:44:47,227 --> 00:44:49,145 - Nice idea, actually. 1311 00:44:47,227 --> 00:44:49,145 - Yeah. 1312 00:44:51,398 --> 00:44:52,399 There's a lot to see. 1313 00:44:54,025 --> 00:44:55,485 The material is so rich. 1314 00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:59,781 But try not to make 1315 00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:59,781 the show too busy. 1316 00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:03,910 Because seeing too much 1317 00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:03,910 is seeing nothing. 1318 00:45:09,583 --> 00:45:12,419 I think we are all looking 1319 00:45:09,583 --> 00:45:12,419 forward to this exhibition. 1320 00:45:12,461 --> 00:45:14,254 But also have 1321 00:45:12,461 --> 00:45:14,254 a lot of questions. 1322 00:45:14,921 --> 00:45:16,381 From the little we can gather, 1323 00:45:16,423 --> 00:45:18,550 it seems like there's a lot of 1324 00:45:16,423 --> 00:45:18,550 symbols about dragons 1325 00:45:18,592 --> 00:45:21,219 and Ming vases. 1326 00:45:18,592 --> 00:45:21,219 Why is that? 1327 00:45:21,261 --> 00:45:23,513 And anything else, 1328 00:45:21,261 --> 00:45:23,513 because I, honestly, 1329 00:45:23,555 --> 00:45:25,307 I don't want to see 1330 00:45:23,555 --> 00:45:25,307 another Ming vase. 1331 00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:27,100 I love blue and 1332 00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:27,100 white porcelain so 1333 00:45:27,142 --> 00:45:29,227 I'm happy to see it 1334 00:45:27,142 --> 00:45:29,227 in the exhibition. 1335 00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:31,605 I think a lot of 1336 00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:31,605 people's questions will be 1337 00:45:31,647 --> 00:45:35,692 it seems like the more 1338 00:45:31,647 --> 00:45:35,692 contemporary version of China. 1339 00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:38,236 It's not really included 1340 00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:38,236 in this kind of 1341 00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:40,071 imagery, repertoire... 1342 00:45:40,113 --> 00:45:41,281 It's not, 1343 00:45:40,113 --> 00:45:41,281 you're absolutely right. 1344 00:45:42,658 --> 00:45:44,284 That's not the focus 1345 00:45:42,658 --> 00:45:44,284 of the exhibition, modern China. 1346 00:45:44,326 --> 00:45:46,953 - It's very much on the history. 1347 00:45:44,326 --> 00:45:46,953 - Reporter: Yes. 1348 00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:49,498 You mention a lot 1349 00:45:47,287 --> 00:45:49,498 about fantasies, 1350 00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:52,250 but fantasy always entails 1351 00:45:52,292 --> 00:45:53,751 misconstrued, 1352 00:45:54,127 --> 00:45:56,296 misinterpretation, reality... 1353 00:45:56,338 --> 00:45:58,131 So how the Western 1354 00:45:56,338 --> 00:45:58,131 perceive Chinese 1355 00:45:58,173 --> 00:46:00,091 and how Chinese perceive 1356 00:45:58,173 --> 00:46:00,091 their own culture 1357 00:46:00,133 --> 00:46:03,428 will be quite different, 1358 00:46:00,133 --> 00:46:03,428 from what I gather. 1359 00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:06,097 Were you questioning the idea 1360 00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:06,097 of fantasy and fashion? 1361 00:46:06,139 --> 00:46:08,558 I think if we don't have 1362 00:46:06,139 --> 00:46:08,558 fantasy in fashion, 1363 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,185 then fashion will never change. 1364 00:46:10,226 --> 00:46:13,313 Of course, we all will love to 1365 00:46:10,226 --> 00:46:13,313 embrace fantasy in fashion, 1366 00:46:13,355 --> 00:46:17,400 but fantasy is 1367 00:46:13,355 --> 00:46:17,400 very likely to also entail 1368 00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:19,444 misinterpretations 1369 00:46:17,442 --> 00:46:19,444 or misconceptions. 1370 00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:22,531 So, as a curator, you must 1371 00:46:19,777 --> 00:46:22,531 have thought about that. 1372 00:46:22,572 --> 00:46:25,534 Yeah, but I think, as Anna says, 1373 00:46:22,572 --> 00:46:25,534 all fashion tells stories. 1374 00:46:25,575 --> 00:46:27,910 Every item in the exhibition 1375 00:46:25,575 --> 00:46:27,910 tells its own story. 1376 00:46:28,328 --> 00:46:30,079 All you're seeing in 1377 00:46:28,328 --> 00:46:30,079 the exhibition 1378 00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:33,124 are designers celebrating 1379 00:46:30,121 --> 00:46:33,124 actually Chinese culture. 1380 00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,045 We're also including the work 1381 00:46:33,583 --> 00:46:37,045 of several Chinese designers, 1382 00:46:37,086 --> 00:46:39,130 like Guo Pei and Laurence Yu. 1383 00:46:39,506 --> 00:46:44,135 Chinese designers also gravitate 1384 00:46:39,506 --> 00:46:44,135 towards the same sort of symbols 1385 00:46:44,177 --> 00:46:46,012 as Western designers. 1386 00:46:46,054 --> 00:46:47,972 It's not exclusively about 1387 00:46:48,014 --> 00:46:50,600 the West appropriating 1388 00:46:48,014 --> 00:46:50,600 Chinese symbols. 1389 00:46:51,184 --> 00:46:53,061 - Thank you. 1390 00:46:51,184 --> 00:46:53,061 - Bolton: Thank you. 1391 00:47:00,026 --> 00:47:02,237 I think she was really 1392 00:47:00,026 --> 00:47:02,237 politicizing it. 1393 00:47:02,278 --> 00:47:04,197 ...the idea of the West just 1394 00:47:02,278 --> 00:47:04,197 plundering 1395 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,865 the East for inspiration. 1396 00:47:06,408 --> 00:47:08,451 Or the fact that 1397 00:47:06,408 --> 00:47:08,451 it's all about the past. 1398 00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:11,705 Yes. She just wants everything 1399 00:47:08,493 --> 00:47:11,705 to start in 1949 1400 00:47:11,747 --> 00:47:13,540 - Woman: Are you good to start? 1401 00:47:11,747 --> 00:47:13,540 - (chuckles) Yes. 1402 00:47:26,553 --> 00:47:28,555 (speaks Chinese) 1403 00:47:26,553 --> 00:47:28,555 China went through 1404 00:47:28,597 --> 00:47:33,476 a unique period in its history. 1405 00:47:33,893 --> 00:47:36,563 During this period of history, 1406 00:47:36,605 --> 00:47:40,525 many Chinese destroyed 1407 00:47:36,605 --> 00:47:40,525 their own tradition. 1408 00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:45,154 But I feel today, it's changing. 1409 00:47:47,365 --> 00:47:53,329 I want to integrate 1410 00:47:47,365 --> 00:47:53,329 traditional Chinese culture 1411 00:47:53,371 --> 00:47:57,125 with modern aesthetics. 1412 00:47:59,628 --> 00:48:04,424 Eastern and Western cultures 1413 00:47:59,628 --> 00:48:04,424 collide together. 1414 00:48:08,762 --> 00:48:13,349 We want to find the wisdom 1415 00:48:08,762 --> 00:48:13,349 left by our ancestors. 1416 00:48:16,269 --> 00:48:20,732 So now, I am using my skills 1417 00:48:20,774 --> 00:48:24,026 to create something 1418 00:48:20,774 --> 00:48:24,026 for the nation. 1419 00:48:25,695 --> 00:48:30,992 As if I were making a 1420 00:48:25,695 --> 00:48:30,992 wedding dress for my country 1421 00:48:31,785 --> 00:48:34,287 with love in my heart. 1422 00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,511 How's the Guo Pei piece? 1423 00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:52,722 - Is it heavy? 1424 00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:52,722 - Very heavy. 1425 00:48:55,099 --> 00:48:57,059 Bolton: 1426 00:48:55,099 --> 00:48:57,059 Beijing seems like a dream now. 1427 00:48:58,728 --> 00:49:00,271 I was panic-stricken 1428 00:48:58,728 --> 00:49:00,271 when I came back 1429 00:49:00,313 --> 00:49:02,023 about how much work 1430 00:49:00,313 --> 00:49:02,023 we have to do. 1431 00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:06,862 Such a crisis point in terms 1432 00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:06,862 of concerns 1433 00:49:06,903 --> 00:49:10,490 about possible responses 1434 00:49:06,903 --> 00:49:10,490 to the exhibition worldwide. 1435 00:49:11,491 --> 00:49:15,953 All the Chinese, in the last 1436 00:49:11,491 --> 00:49:15,953 few hundred years, 1437 00:49:15,995 --> 00:49:17,831 we were always 1438 00:49:15,995 --> 00:49:17,831 looking backward, 1439 00:49:17,873 --> 00:49:20,208 we forget progress, 1440 00:49:20,249 --> 00:49:21,835 modernization. 1441 00:49:21,877 --> 00:49:24,045 So the new generation of Chinese 1442 00:49:24,086 --> 00:49:25,672 have benefitted 1443 00:49:24,086 --> 00:49:25,672 from modernization. 1444 00:49:26,923 --> 00:49:29,217 They were afraid 1445 00:49:26,923 --> 00:49:29,217 your exhibition 1446 00:49:29,258 --> 00:49:31,928 is too much only the past. 1447 00:49:32,303 --> 00:49:34,180 A lot of Chinese, 1448 00:49:32,303 --> 00:49:34,180 they're wondering 1449 00:49:34,222 --> 00:49:37,308 why all this dragon rope, 1450 00:49:34,222 --> 00:49:37,308 the beautiful coating, 1451 00:49:37,350 --> 00:49:39,268 not Chinese modern things... 1452 00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:42,313 Modern film, modern art... 1453 00:49:42,355 --> 00:49:45,400 How would you represent 1454 00:49:42,355 --> 00:49:45,400 through fashion, modern China? 1455 00:49:45,441 --> 00:49:47,569 How would you represent that? 1456 00:49:49,111 --> 00:49:51,865 The show is also posing 1457 00:49:49,111 --> 00:49:51,865 questions like, 1458 00:49:52,281 --> 00:49:55,034 what is the contemporary 1459 00:49:52,281 --> 00:49:55,034 Chinese aesthetic? 1460 00:49:55,702 --> 00:49:58,037 Because there's none 1461 00:49:55,702 --> 00:49:58,037 at this point. 1462 00:49:58,371 --> 00:49:59,664 Not yet. 1463 00:49:58,371 --> 00:49:59,664 In the making. 1464 00:49:59,706 --> 00:50:01,499 - So this is in the making? 1465 00:49:59,706 --> 00:50:01,499 - Yeah. 1466 00:50:01,541 --> 00:50:05,002 So, in a way, looking back 1467 00:50:01,541 --> 00:50:05,002 doesn't mean you are nostalgic. 1468 00:50:05,044 --> 00:50:08,256 I think 1469 00:50:05,044 --> 00:50:08,256 the only way to move forward 1470 00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:10,717 is not to forget 1471 00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:10,717 about your past. 1472 00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:12,510 We confront the idea 1473 00:50:12,552 --> 00:50:15,555 of the orientalist 1474 00:50:12,552 --> 00:50:15,555 stereotyping of China. 1475 00:50:15,889 --> 00:50:17,933 Particularly through 1476 00:50:15,889 --> 00:50:17,933 the character, Anna May Wong. 1477 00:50:18,266 --> 00:50:21,352 But also talk about 1478 00:50:18,266 --> 00:50:21,352 the genuine reciprocity 1479 00:50:21,394 --> 00:50:22,729 between China and the West. 1480 00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:32,572 We've just got approval 1481 00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:32,572 to start building. 1482 00:50:34,407 --> 00:50:37,744 So we're on a super-tight 1483 00:50:34,407 --> 00:50:37,744 time frame. 1484 00:50:47,169 --> 00:50:48,755 (chuckling) 1485 00:50:49,798 --> 00:50:51,215 Incredible. 1486 00:50:51,257 --> 00:50:52,508 Incredible. 1487 00:50:53,927 --> 00:50:55,470 I think the objects 1488 00:50:53,927 --> 00:50:55,470 that we've chosen 1489 00:50:55,511 --> 00:50:58,431 are really compelling, 1490 00:50:55,511 --> 00:50:58,431 really seductive, 1491 00:50:59,098 --> 00:51:02,894 and once you overlay them 1492 00:50:59,098 --> 00:51:02,894 with the curatorial narrative, 1493 00:51:03,603 --> 00:51:04,854 it could be extraordinary. 1494 00:51:16,115 --> 00:51:17,617 - Andrew. 1495 00:51:16,115 --> 00:51:17,617 - Hey, Mike, how are you? 1496 00:51:18,117 --> 00:51:20,411 My biggest concern, Andrew, 1497 00:51:18,117 --> 00:51:20,411 frankly, 1498 00:51:20,453 --> 00:51:22,622 is just to make sure that people 1499 00:51:22,956 --> 00:51:27,126 don't find the intensity 1500 00:51:22,956 --> 00:51:27,126 of the installation, 1501 00:51:27,168 --> 00:51:28,711 and the kind of... 1502 00:51:30,797 --> 00:51:37,136 Shall we say the imposition of 1503 00:51:30,797 --> 00:51:37,136 the design 1504 00:51:37,804 --> 00:51:39,096 so powerful, 1505 00:51:39,138 --> 00:51:42,600 that it overshadows 1506 00:51:39,138 --> 00:51:42,600 the intellectual content. 1507 00:51:42,976 --> 00:51:44,894 I think what happens with this 1508 00:51:44,936 --> 00:51:50,441 is it diminishes the focus on 1509 00:51:44,936 --> 00:51:50,441 the intellectual content, 1510 00:51:50,483 --> 00:51:54,529 and it just raises the level of, 1511 00:51:50,483 --> 00:51:54,529 well, this is all about... 1512 00:51:56,072 --> 00:51:57,448 ...creating a sense of hype, 1513 00:51:57,490 --> 00:52:01,160 which is different from 1514 00:52:02,078 --> 00:52:04,831 what your goals are, 1515 00:52:02,078 --> 00:52:04,831 and what my goals are. 1516 00:52:09,544 --> 00:52:11,671 Bolton: It's a little bit 1517 00:52:09,544 --> 00:52:11,671 frustrating because 1518 00:52:12,088 --> 00:52:15,633 sometimes there's not an 1519 00:52:12,088 --> 00:52:15,633 overall understanding 1520 00:52:16,175 --> 00:52:17,719 of the narrative of the show, 1521 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,806 but also the complexity 1522 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,806 from the design prospective. 1523 00:52:22,181 --> 00:52:23,808 So it's just... 1524 00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:26,519 Yeah, a bit frustrating. 1525 00:52:30,982 --> 00:52:35,403 I try not to listen too much 1526 00:52:30,982 --> 00:52:35,403 to other people in terms of 1527 00:52:35,444 --> 00:52:36,946 what they expect 1528 00:52:35,444 --> 00:52:36,946 the show to be 1529 00:52:36,988 --> 00:52:39,699 and to try and trust 1530 00:52:36,988 --> 00:52:39,699 my own judgment. 1531 00:52:42,994 --> 00:52:47,707 Many people have a superficial 1532 00:52:42,994 --> 00:52:47,707 understanding of fashion. 1533 00:52:50,209 --> 00:52:54,463 People underestimate the power 1534 00:52:50,209 --> 00:52:54,463 of clothes to tell stories, 1535 00:52:54,505 --> 00:52:55,965 or to speak to people. 1536 00:53:00,636 --> 00:53:02,513 There is the perennial debate 1537 00:53:02,555 --> 00:53:06,475 about whether or not 1538 00:53:02,555 --> 00:53:06,475 fashion can ever be art. 1539 00:53:08,978 --> 00:53:12,356 It has, in some instances, 1540 00:53:08,978 --> 00:53:12,356 to do with intention, 1541 00:53:12,982 --> 00:53:15,568 that when a designer is 1542 00:53:12,982 --> 00:53:15,568 creating something, 1543 00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:17,779 they think they're creating 1544 00:53:15,610 --> 00:53:17,779 an art work. 1545 00:53:18,988 --> 00:53:22,283 Most designers, however, 1546 00:53:18,988 --> 00:53:22,283 don't approach it that way. 1547 00:53:22,324 --> 00:53:24,869 I never, never, never dreamed 1548 00:53:24,911 --> 00:53:28,873 that my clothes should be 1549 00:53:24,911 --> 00:53:28,873 in a museum. 1550 00:53:28,915 --> 00:53:31,667 I think that fashion is 1551 00:53:28,915 --> 00:53:31,667 supposed to represent 1552 00:53:31,709 --> 00:53:33,628 what's happening in society, 1553 00:53:33,669 --> 00:53:35,671 politically, economically... 1554 00:53:35,713 --> 00:53:37,214 The clothes have to live. 1555 00:53:37,548 --> 00:53:39,550 It's a little boring, 1556 00:53:37,548 --> 00:53:39,550 that designers 1557 00:53:40,259 --> 00:53:43,138 say they are artists, especially 1558 00:53:40,259 --> 00:53:43,138 when they say it themselves, 1559 00:53:43,179 --> 00:53:46,348 thinking, "You're an artist, 1560 00:53:43,179 --> 00:53:46,348 one should not be on a runway, 1561 00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:47,892 but one should be 1562 00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:47,892 in a gallery." 1563 00:53:47,934 --> 00:53:49,226 So go to a gallery. 1564 00:53:49,268 --> 00:53:50,979 What we do is applied art. 1565 00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:53,355 Chanel never said that 1566 00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:53,355 she was an artist. 1567 00:53:53,397 --> 00:53:54,607 She was a dress-maker. 1568 00:53:54,649 --> 00:53:56,358 Madame Vionnet was a dressmaker. 1569 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,610 Madame Lanvin was a dressmaker. 1570 00:53:57,902 --> 00:54:00,529 They wanted to dress 1571 00:53:57,902 --> 00:54:00,529 a certain kind of society. 1572 00:54:00,571 --> 00:54:01,823 They were happy and flattered 1573 00:54:01,864 --> 00:54:03,491 when those women bought 1574 00:54:01,864 --> 00:54:03,491 those dresses. 1575 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,162 Koda: Of course, 1576 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,162 not all fashion is art. 1577 00:54:07,495 --> 00:54:08,830 It's not. 1578 00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:12,416 Some of it is 1579 00:54:09,330 --> 00:54:12,416 purely commercial. 1580 00:54:12,959 --> 00:54:16,545 But we still struggle 1581 00:54:12,959 --> 00:54:16,545 at the Costume Institute, 1582 00:54:16,587 --> 00:54:17,922 because as Americans, 1583 00:54:17,964 --> 00:54:20,633 there's a kind of 1584 00:54:17,964 --> 00:54:20,633 puritanical tradition. 1585 00:54:20,675 --> 00:54:22,927 And we hate the notion 1586 00:54:22,969 --> 00:54:27,306 that there might be commerce 1587 00:54:22,969 --> 00:54:27,306 associated with anything, 1588 00:54:27,348 --> 00:54:29,100 because somehow that 1589 00:54:27,348 --> 00:54:29,100 makes it less pure. 1590 00:54:30,351 --> 00:54:35,023 But as the definitions of art 1591 00:54:30,351 --> 00:54:35,023 have become more elastic, 1592 00:54:35,523 --> 00:54:38,359 you know, post-Dada, 1593 00:54:35,523 --> 00:54:38,359 post-Warhol, 1594 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,322 we're no longer bound by 1595 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,322 the 19th century categories 1596 00:54:43,364 --> 00:54:45,700 of fine versus applied art. 1597 00:54:48,244 --> 00:54:53,666 We never give up on this idea 1598 00:54:48,244 --> 00:54:53,666 that something transcendent 1599 00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:56,293 can be expressed in that same 1600 00:54:56,335 --> 00:54:58,504 very prosaic thing 1601 00:54:56,335 --> 00:54:58,504 that you wear. 1602 00:55:00,673 --> 00:55:02,967 Bolton: I would certainly 1603 00:55:00,673 --> 00:55:02,967 classify Lagerfeld 1604 00:55:03,009 --> 00:55:05,511 as an artist, even though 1605 00:55:03,009 --> 00:55:05,511 he always refutes it. 1606 00:55:07,096 --> 00:55:08,931 The application 1607 00:55:07,096 --> 00:55:08,931 of his embroideries, 1608 00:55:09,515 --> 00:55:11,059 it's an artistic expression. 1609 00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:12,601 (indistinct conversation) 1610 00:55:12,643 --> 00:55:15,063 When you discover someone 1611 00:55:12,643 --> 00:55:15,063 like John Galliano, 1612 00:55:15,104 --> 00:55:18,941 you really are in the presence 1613 00:55:15,104 --> 00:55:18,941 of a true artistic genius. 1614 00:55:19,525 --> 00:55:20,568 This is strange. 1615 00:55:21,777 --> 00:55:22,444 This is like seeing a child you 1616 00:55:21,777 --> 00:55:22,444 haven't seen 1617 00:55:22,486 --> 00:55:24,280 for a very long time. 1618 00:55:25,198 --> 00:55:27,449 Some of those stitches 1619 00:55:25,198 --> 00:55:27,449 you're not allowed to do anymore 1620 00:55:27,491 --> 00:55:29,035 because they'll turn you blind. 1621 00:55:29,702 --> 00:55:31,829 It's not for me to say 1622 00:55:29,702 --> 00:55:31,829 it's art or not, 1623 00:55:31,871 --> 00:55:33,748 but, certainly, the way 1624 00:55:31,871 --> 00:55:33,748 we apply some things 1625 00:55:33,789 --> 00:55:35,124 and the inspiration we took... 1626 00:55:37,501 --> 00:55:39,879 We did some wonderful things. 1627 00:55:40,296 --> 00:55:41,714 Wonderful things. 1628 00:55:46,177 --> 00:55:49,680 Koda: There is something about 1629 00:55:46,177 --> 00:55:49,680 the human impulse 1630 00:55:49,722 --> 00:55:52,850 to communicate and express. 1631 00:55:57,605 --> 00:56:00,608 An encyclopedic museum 1632 00:55:57,605 --> 00:56:00,608 like the Met 1633 00:56:00,649 --> 00:56:03,569 attempts to gather together 1634 00:56:03,903 --> 00:56:07,282 the most extraordinary 1635 00:56:03,903 --> 00:56:07,282 manifestations 1636 00:56:07,323 --> 00:56:08,699 of those impulses. 1637 00:56:25,091 --> 00:56:26,842 Keith, it's Sylvana. 1638 00:56:25,091 --> 00:56:26,842 Can you give me a call back? 1639 00:56:26,884 --> 00:56:29,637 I just want to talk about 1640 00:56:26,884 --> 00:56:29,637 Rihanna's budget. Call me. Bye. 1641 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,350 So, Rihanna... 1642 00:56:35,184 --> 00:56:37,519 - Keith: (over phone) Yeah. 1643 00:56:35,184 --> 00:56:37,519 - We can't lose her, right? 1644 00:56:37,561 --> 00:56:41,774 So, is it just that she has 1645 00:56:37,561 --> 00:56:41,774 a larger crew than Kanye did? 1646 00:56:41,816 --> 00:56:45,444 She has a massive team 1647 00:56:41,816 --> 00:56:45,444 that she travels with, 1648 00:56:45,486 --> 00:56:46,904 and that's how she rolls. 1649 00:56:48,906 --> 00:56:50,616 Originally, the budget was 1650 00:56:48,906 --> 00:56:50,616 over (bleep) hundred thousand. 1651 00:56:50,658 --> 00:56:53,244 I told not to even send it 1652 00:56:50,658 --> 00:56:53,244 to me until they worked on it, 1653 00:56:53,286 --> 00:56:55,746 because it was a non-starter, 1654 00:56:53,286 --> 00:56:55,746 so they went back, 1655 00:56:55,788 --> 00:56:57,123 and they sent me a budget 1656 00:56:58,707 --> 00:57:00,209 that lowered it (bleep) 1657 00:56:58,707 --> 00:57:00,209 hundred thousand. 1658 00:57:00,251 --> 00:57:01,627 And I said, you know, 1659 00:57:00,251 --> 00:57:01,627 this is a charity so... 1660 00:57:01,669 --> 00:57:03,879 She's expensive, period. 1661 00:57:03,921 --> 00:57:08,009 We knew it, we just didn't 1662 00:57:03,921 --> 00:57:08,009 realize how expensive. 1663 00:57:08,343 --> 00:57:10,886 So, I think talk to Anna 1664 00:57:08,343 --> 00:57:10,886 and see, 1665 00:57:10,928 --> 00:57:13,472 you know, if she can 1666 00:57:10,928 --> 00:57:13,472 set that gentle note, 1667 00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:16,100 thanking them, 1668 00:57:13,889 --> 00:57:16,100 but at the same time... 1669 00:57:16,142 --> 00:57:18,144 - Gentle nudge. 1670 00:57:16,142 --> 00:57:18,144 - Anything you can do. 1671 00:57:18,477 --> 00:57:19,645 Yeah. 1672 00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:23,482 I'm breaking out 1673 00:57:21,438 --> 00:57:23,482 in hives right now. 1674 00:57:25,276 --> 00:57:26,777 (phone ringing) 1675 00:57:26,819 --> 00:57:27,945 Hi. 1676 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,615 Okay, I don't know what to say. 1677 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,615 I have no answer. 1678 00:57:31,657 --> 00:57:33,617 She is one of the biggest acts 1679 00:57:31,657 --> 00:57:33,617 in the world. 1680 00:57:33,659 --> 00:57:36,745 It's about twice as much 1681 00:57:33,659 --> 00:57:36,745 as any performer we've ever had. 1682 00:57:37,496 --> 00:57:41,625 They're not interested in making 1683 00:57:37,496 --> 00:57:41,625 it come down any further. 1684 00:57:41,667 --> 00:57:43,085 They feel that 1685 00:57:41,667 --> 00:57:43,085 they've done a lot. 1686 00:57:43,669 --> 00:57:46,839 So it's gonna take 1687 00:57:43,669 --> 00:57:46,839 a higher level ask... 1688 00:57:47,631 --> 00:57:49,050 You know, from you. 1689 00:57:50,343 --> 00:57:51,677 (chuckles) 1690 00:57:52,511 --> 00:57:55,014 Yes, that would be perfect. 1691 00:58:01,396 --> 00:58:03,814 Luhrmann: We live for 1692 00:58:01,396 --> 00:58:03,814 a cultural experience, 1693 00:58:03,856 --> 00:58:04,899 to feel like we're not alone, 1694 00:58:06,192 --> 00:58:07,484 to learn something 1695 00:58:06,192 --> 00:58:07,484 about ourselves, 1696 00:58:07,526 --> 00:58:09,362 to revel in the human journey. 1697 00:58:10,196 --> 00:58:12,990 But of course, there's glamour, 1698 00:58:10,196 --> 00:58:12,990 and of course there's... 1699 00:58:13,032 --> 00:58:15,034 "What are the parties like?" 1700 00:58:13,032 --> 00:58:15,034 And there's gossip. 1701 00:58:16,911 --> 00:58:21,165 But if it takes a little bit of 1702 00:58:16,911 --> 00:58:21,165 Rihanna dancing on the tabletop 1703 00:58:21,207 --> 00:58:23,542 to get the attention, 1704 00:58:21,207 --> 00:58:23,542 then so be it. 1705 00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:26,879 And then Jennifer Lawrence 1706 00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:26,879 comes up and speaks, 1707 00:58:26,921 --> 00:58:28,423 Guong Lee speaks, 1708 00:58:28,464 --> 00:58:31,133 and then Jennifer Lawrence says, 1709 00:58:28,464 --> 00:58:31,133 "Ladies and gentlemen... 1710 00:58:31,592 --> 00:58:32,885 ...Rihanna." 1711 00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:37,056 Wintour: 1712 00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:37,056 In the world that we work in, 1713 00:58:37,848 --> 00:58:40,684 you need the mixture of art 1714 00:58:37,848 --> 00:58:40,684 and commerce. 1715 00:58:40,726 --> 00:58:41,977 You need both. 1716 00:58:43,479 --> 00:58:44,772 Too much of one or the other 1717 00:58:43,479 --> 00:58:44,772 would not work. 1718 00:58:44,813 --> 00:58:46,523 They have to exist... 1719 00:58:46,565 --> 00:58:47,649 hand-in-hand. 1720 00:58:48,067 --> 00:58:50,569 If you could say one brief thing 1721 00:58:50,611 --> 00:58:52,447 about two cultures 1722 00:58:50,611 --> 00:58:52,447 coming together. 1723 00:58:52,488 --> 00:58:53,655 That's what I want to say again. 1724 00:58:53,697 --> 00:58:55,199 I want to say thank you. 1725 00:58:55,241 --> 00:58:56,492 - Two cultures. 1726 00:58:55,241 --> 00:58:56,492 - Yeah. 1727 00:58:56,533 --> 00:58:57,826 You're gonna be incredible. 1728 00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,203 Beautiful. 1729 00:59:00,829 --> 00:59:02,123 I can't wait. 1730 00:59:02,457 --> 00:59:03,707 I feel better now. 1731 00:59:03,749 --> 00:59:05,584 No, no, no. 1732 00:59:03,749 --> 00:59:05,584 It's gonna be amazing. 1733 00:59:20,475 --> 00:59:22,435 It's always so calm up here. 1734 00:59:22,477 --> 00:59:24,270 That's because nothing's 1735 00:59:22,477 --> 00:59:24,270 going in. 1736 00:59:26,772 --> 00:59:28,274 Wow, it's a lot of work. 1737 00:59:30,734 --> 00:59:34,405 Bolton: So we can't install 1738 00:59:30,734 --> 00:59:34,405 until the lights arrive, okay? 1739 00:59:34,447 --> 00:59:35,823 The lights are one week late. 1740 00:59:35,864 --> 00:59:37,950 Why are they late? 1741 00:59:35,864 --> 00:59:37,950 Because they're not ready? 1742 00:59:38,284 --> 00:59:40,661 I don't know. 1743 00:59:38,284 --> 00:59:40,661 It's beyond me why. 1744 00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:47,042 We're already eight days late 1745 00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:47,042 on the panels delivery, 1746 00:59:47,084 --> 00:59:48,585 according to the schedule. 1747 00:59:48,627 --> 00:59:49,878 We just did the math, 1748 00:59:50,129 --> 00:59:53,466 at this rate, we're talking 1749 00:59:50,129 --> 00:59:53,466 about 6.8 days... 1750 00:59:53,508 --> 00:59:54,758 Middle of next week. 1751 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,053 And obviously that doesn't work. 1752 00:59:58,095 --> 01:00:00,973 We gotta be realistic, 1753 00:59:58,095 --> 01:00:00,973 that we know what we're doing. 1754 01:00:01,516 --> 01:00:02,808 We're out of time. 1755 01:00:03,892 --> 01:00:06,354 How much overlap is there 1756 01:00:03,892 --> 01:00:06,354 between building 1757 01:00:06,395 --> 01:00:08,189 and art installation? 1758 01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:09,357 There can't be any. 1759 01:00:09,857 --> 01:00:11,442 So you've got ten days. 1760 01:00:11,484 --> 01:00:14,320 It's flat out now until we open. 1761 01:00:22,703 --> 01:00:25,456 Bolton: We just underestimated 1762 01:00:22,703 --> 01:00:25,456 the scale of the show. 1763 01:00:26,415 --> 01:00:29,210 It's like putting three shows 1764 01:00:26,415 --> 01:00:29,210 on at the same time. 1765 01:00:32,796 --> 01:00:36,800 I, unfortunately, have a very 1766 01:00:32,796 --> 01:00:36,800 organic approach to curating, 1767 01:00:36,842 --> 01:00:40,762 so I tend to change things 1768 01:00:36,842 --> 01:00:40,762 as I go along. 1769 01:00:45,476 --> 01:00:47,395 This time around, 1770 01:00:45,476 --> 01:00:47,395 we're driving everyone crazy. 1771 01:00:48,229 --> 01:00:51,190 And what is the plan for the 1772 01:00:48,229 --> 01:00:51,190 show in terms of lighting? 1773 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:55,944 Tomorrow, can we start working 1774 01:00:51,690 --> 01:00:55,944 on these two galleries? 1775 01:00:56,612 --> 01:00:59,073 Whenever we can get to 1776 01:00:56,612 --> 01:00:59,073 something, we do it. 1777 01:00:59,407 --> 01:01:01,409 - That's... 1778 01:00:59,407 --> 01:01:01,409 - Who is going to tell you when? 1779 01:01:01,450 --> 01:01:04,912 We walk around and 1780 01:01:01,450 --> 01:01:04,912 around and around and we look, 1781 01:01:04,953 --> 01:01:07,831 and we say, "We can do that." 1782 01:01:04,953 --> 01:01:07,831 And we go and do that. 1783 01:01:07,873 --> 01:01:10,667 - But we have like 15 galleries. 1784 01:01:07,873 --> 01:01:10,667 - Clint Coller: I know. 1785 01:01:10,709 --> 01:01:12,211 It's a huge space. 1786 01:01:12,253 --> 01:01:16,424 We need them to absolutely 1787 01:01:12,253 --> 01:01:16,424 place the mannequins. 1788 01:01:16,882 --> 01:01:19,009 - This is... 1789 01:01:16,882 --> 01:01:19,009 - This is something that... 1790 01:01:19,051 --> 01:01:21,178 We have to talk to Andrew 1791 01:01:19,051 --> 01:01:21,178 about this. 1792 01:01:21,220 --> 01:01:22,221 Right. 1793 01:01:24,765 --> 01:01:26,141 Kar Wai: Andrew... 1794 01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:28,060 - Meet five minutes with me. 1795 01:01:26,183 --> 01:01:28,060 - Bolton: Okay. 1796 01:01:28,102 --> 01:01:31,355 At some point, I just need you 1797 01:01:28,102 --> 01:01:31,355 to give me mannequins. 1798 01:01:31,397 --> 01:01:33,732 - Mm-hmm. 1799 01:01:31,397 --> 01:01:33,732 - Because without the dresses, 1800 01:01:33,774 --> 01:01:37,111 and that's fine, 1801 01:01:33,774 --> 01:01:37,111 but you have to tell me, 1802 01:01:37,152 --> 01:01:40,322 which directions 1803 01:01:37,152 --> 01:01:40,322 the mannequins are facing. 1804 01:01:40,364 --> 01:01:41,823 - Mm-hmm. Okay. 1805 01:01:40,364 --> 01:01:41,823 - Can you do that? 1806 01:01:41,865 --> 01:01:43,075 Yeah. 1807 01:01:47,246 --> 01:01:50,124 The schedule that they 1808 01:01:47,246 --> 01:01:50,124 let us know today, 1809 01:01:50,165 --> 01:01:52,084 it means we have, basically, 1810 01:01:52,126 --> 01:01:54,169 two days to install 1811 01:01:52,126 --> 01:01:54,169 the whole exhibition. 1812 01:02:05,097 --> 01:02:07,891 We only have a 1813 01:02:05,097 --> 01:02:07,891 rehearsal for the temple? 1814 01:02:07,933 --> 01:02:09,477 Worse-case scenario, yeah. 1815 01:02:09,518 --> 01:02:11,103 Monday, you don't have 1816 01:02:09,518 --> 01:02:11,103 any rehearsal? 1817 01:02:11,145 --> 01:02:12,104 No. 1818 01:02:13,522 --> 01:02:14,315 There's no time on Monday, 1819 01:02:13,522 --> 01:02:14,315 we have to do that Sunday. 1820 01:02:14,356 --> 01:02:15,357 The temple's open on Sunday. 1821 01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:17,734 You're kidding, 1822 01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:17,734 that's not possible. 1823 01:02:17,776 --> 01:02:19,027 - Why? 1824 01:02:17,776 --> 01:02:19,027 - Why? 1825 01:02:20,529 --> 01:02:21,530 Because we need to rehearse. 1826 01:02:20,529 --> 01:02:21,530 He needs to be with Rihanna. 1827 01:02:21,572 --> 01:02:22,864 We have a lot to do. 1828 01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:26,201 We should close it. 1829 01:02:27,744 --> 01:02:29,079 It just means that from the 1830 01:02:27,744 --> 01:02:29,079 general public's point of view, 1831 01:02:29,121 --> 01:02:30,498 there is absolutely 1832 01:02:29,121 --> 01:02:30,498 no access 1833 01:02:30,539 --> 01:02:32,916 to the entire 1834 01:02:30,539 --> 01:02:32,916 north end of the building... 1835 01:02:32,958 --> 01:02:35,002 That's the... 1836 01:02:32,958 --> 01:02:35,002 That's... All the... 1837 01:02:35,043 --> 01:02:36,504 They'll come back next week. 1838 01:02:37,963 --> 01:02:39,256 Please, otherwise, it's just... 1839 01:02:40,675 --> 01:02:42,259 Raul is going to have to be up 1840 01:02:40,675 --> 01:02:42,259 three nights in a row. 1841 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,970 - It's not human. 1842 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,970 - (laughter) 1843 01:02:45,012 --> 01:02:47,139 Okay, the public will come back. 1844 01:02:47,682 --> 01:02:50,142 - All right, anything else? 1845 01:02:47,682 --> 01:02:50,142 - No, I think we've covered it. 1846 01:03:03,864 --> 01:03:04,990 It was Anna's 1847 01:03:03,864 --> 01:03:04,990 understanding that, 1848 01:03:05,032 --> 01:03:06,867 if he was paying the balance, 1849 01:03:06,908 --> 01:03:08,285 we weren't going 1850 01:03:06,908 --> 01:03:08,285 to add those seats. 1851 01:03:08,744 --> 01:03:10,287 Obviously it's more money 1852 01:03:08,744 --> 01:03:10,287 for the museum, 1853 01:03:12,122 --> 01:03:13,999 but the problem is we want to 1854 01:03:12,122 --> 01:03:13,999 keep this an intimate setting 1855 01:03:14,041 --> 01:03:15,834 because that's why 1856 01:03:14,041 --> 01:03:15,834 people come to this. 1857 01:03:16,502 --> 01:03:17,878 We're extremely appreciative, 1858 01:03:16,502 --> 01:03:17,878 I just... 1859 01:03:19,463 --> 01:03:21,340 I... I don't know what to do, 1860 01:03:19,463 --> 01:03:21,340 We just don't have the seats. 1861 01:03:21,882 --> 01:03:24,510 Wintour: Okay, I could swap 1862 01:03:21,882 --> 01:03:24,510 Baz with Harpers. 1863 01:03:26,762 --> 01:03:27,971 And where is Harvey? 1864 01:03:28,013 --> 01:03:29,515 Harvey's right here. 1865 01:03:29,848 --> 01:03:31,308 He won't like that. 1866 01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:35,145 Can we put somebody 1867 01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:35,145 better here 1868 01:03:35,187 --> 01:03:37,523 and move them there? 1869 01:03:35,187 --> 01:03:37,523 It doesn't have to be Harvey. 1870 01:03:37,856 --> 01:03:39,400 I think Anne Hathaway 1871 01:03:37,856 --> 01:03:39,400 should be here. 1872 01:03:41,235 --> 01:03:43,362 We're struggling to make 1873 01:03:41,235 --> 01:03:43,362 this work right now. 1874 01:03:43,696 --> 01:03:46,156 We still have three people that 1875 01:03:43,696 --> 01:03:46,156 don't have seats at the moment. 1876 01:03:47,824 --> 01:03:49,410 Can we block off the middle part 1877 01:03:49,451 --> 01:03:52,204 and in here, just make 1878 01:03:49,451 --> 01:03:52,204 a little hole here? 1879 01:03:54,373 --> 01:03:56,375 Because if we do something 1880 01:03:54,373 --> 01:03:56,375 in between these two pillars, 1881 01:03:56,417 --> 01:03:57,959 this is what 1882 01:03:56,417 --> 01:03:57,959 they're concerned about. 1883 01:03:58,001 --> 01:03:59,795 This is not art. 1884 01:03:58,001 --> 01:03:59,795 This is a pillar. 1885 01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:01,046 Oh no, it is Tiffany. 1886 01:04:02,423 --> 01:04:03,882 - Those are the Tiffany pillars. 1887 01:04:02,423 --> 01:04:03,882 - Expensive pillars. 1888 01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:06,677 Wintour: We're trying to work 1889 01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:06,677 with you guys. 1890 01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:09,846 You told us what we were trying 1891 01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:09,846 to do here was first possible 1892 01:04:09,888 --> 01:04:11,557 then it's not possible. 1893 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,016 And then we move the tables. 1894 01:04:13,058 --> 01:04:14,059 Woman: You have to understand... 1895 01:04:15,603 --> 01:04:17,104 You are basically scrubbing 1896 01:04:15,603 --> 01:04:17,104 Engelhardt Court of all the art. 1897 01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,565 Wintour: Yes... But this is not 1898 01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:19,565 actually about that tonight. 1899 01:04:19,607 --> 01:04:21,776 It's actually about raising 1900 01:04:19,607 --> 01:04:21,776 money for the museum, 1901 01:04:21,817 --> 01:04:23,068 which we have done. 1902 01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:04,359 Nathan? 1903 01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:04,359 Do the lights work? 1904 01:05:04,943 --> 01:05:07,070 We'll know 1905 01:05:04,943 --> 01:05:07,070 in the next two hours. 1906 01:05:07,112 --> 01:05:08,447 What happens if they don't? 1907 01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:12,576 Yes, that's better. 1908 01:05:13,243 --> 01:05:15,120 Once you see those together... 1909 01:05:15,746 --> 01:05:17,038 Incredible. 1910 01:05:32,304 --> 01:05:35,432 We'll be finished, you know, 1911 01:05:32,304 --> 01:05:35,432 in the next hour. 1912 01:05:35,474 --> 01:05:37,309 Okay, you'll be finished by 1913 01:05:35,474 --> 01:05:37,309 the end of the day though? 1914 01:05:37,351 --> 01:05:40,312 I mean, we'll finish by... 1915 01:05:37,351 --> 01:05:40,312 Before we leave tonight. 1916 01:06:40,121 --> 01:06:41,707 (indistinct speech 1917 01:06:40,121 --> 01:06:41,707 in background) 1918 01:06:43,667 --> 01:06:45,669 Okay, okay, okay. 1919 01:06:46,962 --> 01:06:48,296 Talley: The dress is beautiful. 1920 01:06:48,338 --> 01:06:50,298 - It's so beautiful. 1921 01:06:48,338 --> 01:06:50,298 - The dress fits. 1922 01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:51,884 - It fits? 1923 01:06:50,340 --> 01:06:51,884 - It fits. 1924 01:06:52,217 --> 01:06:54,010 Maybe too tight here. 1925 01:06:54,052 --> 01:06:56,054 Yeah, that's what 1926 01:06:54,052 --> 01:06:56,054 I was thinking, maybe... 1927 01:06:57,264 --> 01:06:58,766 Here, I'll deal with that. 1928 01:07:05,689 --> 01:07:07,274 Talley: 1929 01:07:05,689 --> 01:07:07,274 The color is superb on you. 1930 01:07:07,775 --> 01:07:09,443 And what do you think of 1931 01:07:07,775 --> 01:07:09,443 the bracelet? 1932 01:07:10,903 --> 01:07:12,237 Mom only like diamonds. 1933 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,410 Talley: So now you should walk. 1934 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:18,410 Walk out of the room. 1935 01:07:21,997 --> 01:07:23,290 Excellent! 1936 01:07:23,331 --> 01:07:25,125 Sexy and soigné. 1937 01:07:28,295 --> 01:07:29,755 It's very beautiful. 1938 01:07:33,258 --> 01:07:34,676 A superb dress. 1939 01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:44,436 Luhrmann: 1940 01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:44,436 Anna is kinda beyond legacy. 1941 01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:46,521 I mean, she's got a legacy. 1942 01:07:46,563 --> 01:07:49,024 She could disappear 1943 01:07:46,563 --> 01:07:49,024 to Alaska now 1944 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:50,233 and never be seen again, 1945 01:07:50,484 --> 01:07:51,735 dressed as Nanook of the North, 1946 01:07:50,484 --> 01:07:51,735 or something, 1947 01:07:51,777 --> 01:07:53,654 and, you know, 1948 01:07:51,777 --> 01:07:53,654 she's got a legacy. 1949 01:07:53,695 --> 01:07:55,489 She sent me 1950 01:07:53,695 --> 01:07:55,489 the fitting pictures... 1951 01:07:55,530 --> 01:07:58,366 Luhrmann: 1952 01:07:55,530 --> 01:07:58,366 She's a big business entity. 1953 01:07:59,242 --> 01:08:03,914 But the whole idea 1954 01:07:59,242 --> 01:08:03,914 with the Met Gala... 1955 01:08:04,957 --> 01:08:07,459 it's not a 1956 01:08:04,957 --> 01:08:07,459 commercial consideration. 1957 01:08:07,501 --> 01:08:10,211 It's a cultural consideration. 1958 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:15,091 I don't pretend to be 1959 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:15,091 a fashion historian, 1960 01:08:15,592 --> 01:08:18,720 but I think 1961 01:08:15,592 --> 01:08:18,720 fashion should be recognized 1962 01:08:20,221 --> 01:08:22,599 when you see how 1963 01:08:22,641 --> 01:08:25,519 it touches people 1964 01:08:22,641 --> 01:08:25,519 and moves people. 1965 01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:28,313 I mean, what more 1966 01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:28,313 can you ask from art? 1967 01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:30,250 - My God. 1968 01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:30,250 - (gasping) 1969 01:09:30,291 --> 01:09:31,459 Oh, my God. 1970 01:09:31,793 --> 01:09:33,378 She's gonna die, 1971 01:09:31,793 --> 01:09:33,378 has she seen it? 1972 01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:35,589 Man: No she hasn't been 1973 01:09:33,420 --> 01:09:35,589 here yet. 1974 01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:36,840 My God... 1975 01:09:36,882 --> 01:09:38,174 (chuckling) 1976 01:09:38,216 --> 01:09:39,676 We did it! 1977 01:09:39,718 --> 01:09:40,844 I'm gonna cry. 1978 01:09:45,099 --> 01:09:47,350 Unbelievable! 1979 01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:51,897 Wintour: 1980 01:09:50,186 --> 01:09:51,897 Does this go to the top? 1981 01:09:51,939 --> 01:09:53,565 Unbelievable. 1982 01:09:54,232 --> 01:09:55,650 Best one ever. 1983 01:09:58,028 --> 01:09:59,404 How many roses? 1984 01:09:59,863 --> 01:10:01,239 250,000. 1985 01:10:01,823 --> 01:10:02,908 (laughs) 1986 01:10:03,867 --> 01:10:05,160 (applause) 1987 01:10:05,535 --> 01:10:06,912 (clears throat) 1988 01:10:07,746 --> 01:10:08,830 Good morning. 1989 01:10:09,247 --> 01:10:11,166 "China: 1990 01:10:09,247 --> 01:10:11,166 Through the Looking Glass" 1991 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:14,920 is almost three times the size 1992 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:14,920 of our usual spring shows. 1993 01:10:15,921 --> 01:10:20,050 In total, there are over 1994 01:10:15,921 --> 01:10:20,050 150 costumes and accessories, 1995 01:10:20,092 --> 01:10:21,551 and over 40 designers. 1996 01:10:21,593 --> 01:10:23,470 - (indistinct speech) 1997 01:10:21,593 --> 01:10:23,470 - (cameras clicking) 1998 01:10:25,597 --> 01:10:27,057 What a relief that's over with. 1999 01:10:27,099 --> 01:10:28,475 - Yeah, but... 2000 01:10:27,099 --> 01:10:28,475 - (smashing) 2001 01:10:29,768 --> 01:10:31,269 (giggling) 2002 01:10:31,311 --> 01:10:32,896 Is that good luck? 2003 01:10:33,647 --> 01:10:35,231 - It wasn't a mirror. 2004 01:10:33,647 --> 01:10:35,231 - I'm sure it is. 2005 01:10:35,273 --> 01:10:37,400 Special kudos to Andrew 2006 01:10:35,273 --> 01:10:37,400 for surviving. 2007 01:10:37,442 --> 01:10:39,778 It works so beautifully 2008 01:10:37,442 --> 01:10:39,778 in the galleries. 2009 01:10:39,820 --> 01:10:40,654 It really does. 2010 01:10:41,696 --> 01:10:42,781 I couldn't agree more. 2011 01:10:41,696 --> 01:10:42,781 I'm thrilled. 2012 01:10:43,406 --> 01:10:44,658 I love you. 2013 01:10:45,033 --> 01:10:46,326 Was the speech ok? 2014 01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:47,577 Really good. Yeah. 2015 01:10:47,619 --> 01:10:49,704 Did I sound like 2016 01:10:47,619 --> 01:10:49,704 the Queen of England? 2017 01:10:49,746 --> 01:10:52,332 No! 2018 01:10:49,746 --> 01:10:52,332 (mocking laughter) 2019 01:10:55,002 --> 01:10:56,336 I'll see you later. 2020 01:10:56,377 --> 01:10:57,838 Probably about two-ish. 2021 01:11:06,221 --> 01:11:08,932 So this is H&M. 2022 01:11:06,221 --> 01:11:08,932 This is Veronica. 2023 01:11:08,974 --> 01:11:10,142 Vivienne. 2024 01:11:10,184 --> 01:11:11,434 And this is Cartier. 2025 01:11:11,476 --> 01:11:12,686 That's the best solution, 2026 01:11:14,021 --> 01:11:14,938 and then the small one is 2027 01:11:14,021 --> 01:11:14,938 in the middle, right? 2028 01:11:14,980 --> 01:11:16,314 Okay, right. 2029 01:11:16,356 --> 01:11:18,441 - Yeah. 2030 01:11:16,356 --> 01:11:18,441 - Let's move this in a bit. 2031 01:11:18,483 --> 01:11:20,902 Yes. 2032 01:11:18,483 --> 01:11:20,902 This is such a bad table, but 2033 01:11:21,486 --> 01:11:23,197 someone's gotta take 2034 01:11:21,486 --> 01:11:23,197 this table. 2035 01:11:23,571 --> 01:11:24,990 But no celeb, right? 2036 01:11:25,032 --> 01:11:26,908 Chloe Sevigny, Solange Knowles. 2037 01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:27,993 Oh. 2038 01:11:28,994 --> 01:11:30,537 But they'll talk to who? 2039 01:11:31,163 --> 01:11:32,706 Odell Beckham. 2040 01:11:33,540 --> 01:11:35,209 Durrett: It's tight, 2041 01:11:33,540 --> 01:11:35,209 but it's always tight. 2042 01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:36,835 Wintour: 2043 01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:36,835 These are fun people, right? 2044 01:11:36,877 --> 01:11:38,045 It's fine. 2045 01:11:38,086 --> 01:11:40,130 Yeah. 2046 01:11:38,086 --> 01:11:40,130 This is fine. 2047 01:11:40,172 --> 01:11:41,631 (laughing) 2048 01:11:41,673 --> 01:11:44,051 He's like, "What are you 2049 01:11:41,673 --> 01:11:44,051 talking about? What happened?" 2050 01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:48,222 What is this? 2051 01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:48,222 Nylon? 2052 01:11:48,263 --> 01:11:49,931 - Durrett: No 2053 01:11:48,263 --> 01:11:49,931 - Silk. 2054 01:11:50,765 --> 01:11:52,684 - Pure silk. 2055 01:11:50,765 --> 01:11:52,684 - Made in China. 2056 01:11:58,857 --> 01:12:01,026 (cheering) 2057 01:12:08,116 --> 01:12:09,617 Alright, George, let's do this. 2058 01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:11,494 Let's get this thing going. 2059 01:12:33,016 --> 01:12:34,559 What the fuck is this? 2060 01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:00,794 The other leg. 2061 01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:00,794 Let's see the legs. 2062 01:13:00,835 --> 01:13:02,087 - (chuckles) 2063 01:13:00,835 --> 01:13:02,087 - Thank you, darling. 2064 01:13:02,545 --> 01:13:04,798 (cheering) 2065 01:13:09,594 --> 01:13:11,138 Talley: Come over here, baby, 2066 01:13:09,594 --> 01:13:11,138 come to me. 2067 01:13:11,179 --> 01:13:13,014 Only you can wear 2068 01:13:11,179 --> 01:13:13,014 a dress like this. 2069 01:13:13,556 --> 01:13:14,891 The body rocks. 2070 01:13:14,933 --> 01:13:16,643 What do you do 2071 01:13:14,933 --> 01:13:16,643 to keep the body rocking? 2072 01:13:17,018 --> 01:13:17,936 What do you do? 2073 01:13:19,437 --> 01:13:21,022 Are you getting good pictures 2074 01:13:19,437 --> 01:13:21,022 of the dress and everything? 2075 01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:38,290 Chloe Malle: I was worried 2076 01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:38,290 people would take 2077 01:13:38,332 --> 01:13:40,792 Chinese-inspired and do 2078 01:13:38,332 --> 01:13:40,792 something wildly offensive 2079 01:13:40,834 --> 01:13:42,710 and actually people 2080 01:13:40,834 --> 01:13:42,710 have been very creative 2081 01:13:42,752 --> 01:13:44,712 and done some 2082 01:13:42,752 --> 01:13:44,712 really beautiful things. 2083 01:13:44,754 --> 01:13:46,464 Some major headwear. 2084 01:13:57,142 --> 01:13:59,560 (cheering) 2085 01:14:00,854 --> 01:14:02,356 Do you all love Chinese food? 2086 01:14:02,397 --> 01:14:03,606 I do. 2087 01:14:05,108 --> 01:14:05,859 - He doesn't. What do you like? 2088 01:14:05,108 --> 01:14:05,859 - No, I love Chinese food. 2089 01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:07,152 What's your favorite dish? 2090 01:14:07,527 --> 01:14:09,196 I like fried chicken wings 2091 01:14:09,737 --> 01:14:12,282 and General Tso's chicken 2092 01:14:09,737 --> 01:14:12,282 with some shrimp, 2093 01:14:12,324 --> 01:14:13,574 and chicken fried rice. 2094 01:14:13,825 --> 01:14:14,993 - I know you work for Vogue... 2095 01:14:13,825 --> 01:14:14,993 - (laughs) 2096 01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:18,496 He works for Vogue, 2097 01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:18,496 but you better tell the truth. 2098 01:14:21,624 --> 01:14:23,293 Anne Hathaway is heaven. 2099 01:14:23,335 --> 01:14:24,460 Looks so good, yeah. 2100 01:14:25,879 --> 01:14:27,714 Amanda Seyfried and Justin Long 2101 01:14:25,879 --> 01:14:27,714 look adorable together. 2102 01:14:27,755 --> 01:14:30,300 She's in custom Givency couture. 2103 01:14:30,342 --> 01:14:31,676 (screams) 2104 01:14:41,519 --> 01:14:42,687 Cher? I want Cher. 2105 01:14:42,729 --> 01:14:44,398 Someone help me! 2106 01:14:44,898 --> 01:14:46,191 Could you help me? 2107 01:14:46,524 --> 01:14:48,151 Come on here, baby. 2108 01:14:46,524 --> 01:14:48,151 Come to me. 2109 01:14:49,861 --> 01:14:51,529 Why did you let that happen? 2110 01:14:51,571 --> 01:14:54,949 Can someone go tell Sally that 2111 01:14:51,571 --> 01:14:54,949 the Clooneys did not stop? 2112 01:14:55,283 --> 01:14:56,534 Go tell her now. 2113 01:14:56,576 --> 01:14:57,744 You know the Clooneys 2114 01:14:56,576 --> 01:14:57,744 didn't stop. 2115 01:14:57,785 --> 01:14:58,745 So let Anna know that. 2116 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,872 George said hello 2117 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,872 but Mrs. Clooney 2118 01:15:00,914 --> 01:15:02,498 did not stop 2119 01:15:00,914 --> 01:15:02,498 in her Galliano dress, 2120 01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:03,666 I told Sally. 2121 01:15:03,708 --> 01:15:05,293 We got Justin Bieber, OK? 2122 01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:14,219 Sale bête! Sale bête! 2123 01:15:14,594 --> 01:15:16,596 Darling, wow! 2124 01:15:17,013 --> 01:15:18,223 How does it feel to be 2125 01:15:18,265 --> 01:15:20,725 one of the 100 2126 01:15:18,265 --> 01:15:20,725 most influential persons 2127 01:15:20,767 --> 01:15:22,185 - in Time magazine? 2128 01:15:20,767 --> 01:15:22,185 - Oh, thank you. 2129 01:15:22,227 --> 01:15:23,603 That is so brilliant. 2130 01:15:23,644 --> 01:15:25,063 I think it's so great 2131 01:15:25,105 --> 01:15:26,981 the way you're supporting 2132 01:15:25,105 --> 01:15:26,981 your step-father. 2133 01:15:27,023 --> 01:15:29,525 - Of course. 2134 01:15:27,023 --> 01:15:29,525 - It's really beautiful. 2135 01:15:29,567 --> 01:15:31,236 - It's really important. 2136 01:15:29,567 --> 01:15:31,236 - It really is. 2137 01:15:31,278 --> 01:15:33,405 We're here with dresses, 2138 01:15:31,278 --> 01:15:33,405 but, listen, after all... 2139 01:15:33,447 --> 01:15:34,739 (inaudible) 2140 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,253 Hi, Pat! 2141 01:15:53,007 --> 01:15:55,593 ♪ We gonna party tonight ♪ 2142 01:15:55,635 --> 01:15:58,388 ♪ We gonna turn up tonight ♪ 2143 01:15:58,430 --> 01:15:59,889 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2144 01:16:00,556 --> 01:16:02,058 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2145 01:16:02,517 --> 01:16:03,768 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 2146 01:16:05,103 --> 01:16:07,897 Michael Kors: 2147 01:16:05,103 --> 01:16:07,897 The exhibit is this way. 2148 01:16:08,231 --> 01:16:11,192 Do you know how crazy I'd look 2149 01:16:08,231 --> 01:16:11,192 in a head piece like that? 2150 01:16:12,610 --> 01:16:15,155 You could pull 2151 01:16:12,610 --> 01:16:15,155 any head piece off. 2152 01:16:19,284 --> 01:16:20,994 Anna May Wong. 2153 01:16:21,619 --> 01:16:24,664 The first Asian movie star. 2154 01:16:30,504 --> 01:16:31,879 Wow! 2155 01:16:31,921 --> 01:16:33,298 That's Dior, 2156 01:16:31,921 --> 01:16:33,298 that's John's (Galliano). 2157 01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:35,800 Hudson: I want to wear that 2158 01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:35,800 in my bedroom. 2159 01:16:37,344 --> 01:16:38,553 So good to see you. 2160 01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:40,263 Thank you for your flowers. 2161 01:16:43,224 --> 01:16:44,309 How's business? 2162 01:16:51,649 --> 01:16:53,776 - This was my dress, that one. 2163 01:16:51,649 --> 01:16:53,776 - Wow. 2164 01:16:53,818 --> 01:16:56,112 It's the white one. 2165 01:16:53,818 --> 01:16:56,112 It was a wedding dress. 2166 01:16:57,780 --> 01:16:59,657 That must be an old one. 2167 01:16:59,991 --> 01:17:01,993 1925, something like that... 2168 01:17:02,369 --> 01:17:04,954 - 1924. 2169 01:17:02,369 --> 01:17:04,954 - 1924, even earlier, yeah. 2170 01:17:06,873 --> 01:17:08,500 In 1925, it was smaller. 2171 01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:11,961 Not so big volume as there, 2172 01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:11,961 but it was short already. 2173 01:17:12,504 --> 01:17:13,629 You're so smart. 2174 01:17:13,671 --> 01:17:14,881 History, I know it. 2175 01:17:14,922 --> 01:17:17,217 - The history of fashion. 2176 01:17:14,922 --> 01:17:17,217 - Wow! 2177 01:17:18,176 --> 01:17:19,219 (inaudible) 2178 01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,516 That is Alexander McQueen. 2179 01:17:24,558 --> 01:17:26,518 They do a lot of work in wood. 2180 01:17:26,893 --> 01:17:29,312 That is also McQueen, 2181 01:17:26,893 --> 01:17:29,312 the bolero. 2182 01:17:31,398 --> 01:17:35,610 That could be McQueen, 2183 01:17:31,398 --> 01:17:35,610 I'm not sure. 2184 01:17:35,693 --> 01:17:39,030 It's Alexander McQueen, 2185 01:17:35,693 --> 01:17:39,030 for Givenchy. 2186 01:17:39,364 --> 01:17:42,242 It's nice mix with 2187 01:17:39,364 --> 01:17:42,242 all these things from China. 2188 01:17:42,283 --> 01:17:43,701 It's beautiful. 2189 01:17:44,827 --> 01:17:48,039 I love the Chinese inspiration. 2190 01:17:50,166 --> 01:17:51,209 Wow! 2191 01:17:57,715 --> 01:17:58,716 Man: What's the dress? 2192 01:17:59,050 --> 01:18:01,219 Did you get my message? 2193 01:18:07,016 --> 01:18:08,893 Justin Bieber: How do you think 2194 01:18:07,016 --> 01:18:08,893 that would look on me? 2195 01:18:12,813 --> 01:18:15,775 - Alicia Keys: Wow! 2196 01:18:12,813 --> 01:18:15,775 - Gaultier: Voilà, that's mine. 2197 01:18:18,653 --> 01:18:20,029 Man: Wow, this exhibit... 2198 01:18:20,071 --> 01:18:22,240 Your mood changes 2199 01:18:20,071 --> 01:18:22,240 from room to room. 2200 01:18:22,282 --> 01:18:23,783 It's remarkable. 2201 01:18:24,742 --> 01:18:26,160 Keys: Wow! 2202 01:18:26,202 --> 01:18:28,329 Gaultier: Oh, the porcelain. 2203 01:18:28,371 --> 01:18:29,997 Keys: Wow, look at this! 2204 01:18:34,252 --> 01:18:37,338 Gaultier: That's Galliano 2205 01:18:34,252 --> 01:18:37,338 for Dior, I think, no? 2206 01:18:37,672 --> 01:18:39,215 Keys: Guo Pei.... 2207 01:18:41,842 --> 01:18:44,095 - So gorgeous! 2208 01:18:41,842 --> 01:18:44,095 - Oh, my God! 2209 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,264 Oh, my God! 2210 01:18:47,098 --> 01:18:50,059 This room is a dream! 2211 01:18:51,144 --> 01:18:53,938 All the celadon but 2212 01:18:51,144 --> 01:18:53,938 with the black lacquer. 2213 01:18:53,980 --> 01:18:55,856 And look at these shapes. 2214 01:18:57,651 --> 01:18:59,402 Like when people say, 2215 01:18:57,651 --> 01:18:59,402 "You couldn't walk in it." 2216 01:18:59,444 --> 01:19:01,571 Who cares? 2217 01:18:59,444 --> 01:19:01,571 It's that beautiful. 2218 01:19:01,613 --> 01:19:02,989 Kate Hudson: I know! 2219 01:19:07,619 --> 01:19:10,246 (indistinct shouting) 2220 01:19:16,461 --> 01:19:20,923 ♪ (Nat King Cole 2221 01:19:16,461 --> 01:19:20,923 "Stardust" plays) ♪ 2222 01:19:37,982 --> 01:19:39,609 Talley: Oh, I love a girl 2223 01:19:39,651 --> 01:19:42,945 from humble beginnings 2224 01:19:39,651 --> 01:19:42,945 who becomes a big star. 2225 01:19:44,197 --> 01:19:46,866 It's like the American Dream, 2226 01:19:44,197 --> 01:19:46,866 that's how you do it. 2227 01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,786 And just keep going with it. 2228 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,289 I want more train 2229 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,289 and more train! 2230 01:19:53,331 --> 01:19:54,290 I want drama! 2231 01:19:55,416 --> 01:19:56,501 I want five people 2232 01:19:55,416 --> 01:19:56,501 picking up my thing! 2233 01:19:59,128 --> 01:20:01,047 This is the black Frozen! 2234 01:20:03,090 --> 01:20:05,218 This is the queen of the night! 2235 01:20:06,594 --> 01:20:08,971 ♪ (Nat King Cole 2236 01:20:06,594 --> 01:20:08,971 "Stardust" continues) ♪ 2237 01:20:12,475 --> 01:20:13,851 Queen of the night. 2238 01:20:13,893 --> 01:20:16,937 Breaking up is not enough, 2239 01:20:13,893 --> 01:20:16,937 it's not enough. 2240 01:20:16,979 --> 01:20:18,398 - Beautiful! 2241 01:20:16,979 --> 01:20:18,398 - Thank you. 2242 01:20:18,732 --> 01:20:20,441 This moment, this fantasy! 2243 01:20:20,483 --> 01:20:21,735 It was made by Guo Pei. 2244 01:20:21,776 --> 01:20:23,695 It took two years to make this. 2245 01:20:23,737 --> 01:20:24,862 And let me just say... 2246 01:20:24,904 --> 01:20:26,656 You are wearing it 2247 01:20:24,904 --> 01:20:26,656 so beautifully. 2248 01:20:26,698 --> 01:20:27,823 You are so inspiring... 2249 01:20:27,865 --> 01:20:29,033 - Thank you. 2250 01:20:27,865 --> 01:20:29,033 - ...to so many people. 2251 01:20:29,534 --> 01:20:31,160 - Good night. 2252 01:20:29,534 --> 01:20:31,160 - Vocal rest. 2253 01:20:31,202 --> 01:20:33,162 Big night! Can't wait 2254 01:20:31,202 --> 01:20:33,162 to see you on stage! 2255 01:20:33,204 --> 01:20:34,997 - Thank you. 2256 01:20:33,204 --> 01:20:34,997 - Oh, it's got a pink lining. 2257 01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:36,374 Did you get the pink lining? 2258 01:20:37,584 --> 01:20:40,253 ♪ (Nat King Cole 2259 01:20:37,584 --> 01:20:40,253 "Stardust" continues) ♪ 2260 01:20:51,514 --> 01:20:54,601 I need to mainline 2261 01:20:51,514 --> 01:20:54,601 pinot grigio to my arm. 2262 01:20:54,642 --> 01:20:55,893 Have a Scotch. 2263 01:20:55,935 --> 01:20:58,396 Scotch in a glass? How classy. 2264 01:21:33,473 --> 01:21:34,140 Oh my God, 2265 01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:36,643 I'm gonna be all by my lonesome 2266 01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:36,643 just like high school. 2267 01:21:37,852 --> 01:21:40,062 You can sit with us, 2268 01:21:37,852 --> 01:21:40,062 sit with us if you want. 2269 01:21:43,941 --> 01:21:46,611 - Oh, my God! 2270 01:21:43,941 --> 01:21:46,611 - Oh, my God! 2271 01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:50,573 (gong sounds) 2272 01:21:51,324 --> 01:21:53,451 Campbell: Could I have your 2273 01:21:51,324 --> 01:21:53,451 attention for a moment, please? 2274 01:21:54,702 --> 01:21:58,456 The true star of this evening 2275 01:21:54,702 --> 01:21:58,456 is Andrew Bolton. 2276 01:21:58,790 --> 01:22:00,708 (cheering and applause) 2277 01:22:07,841 --> 01:22:09,133 Hello. 2278 01:22:12,303 --> 01:22:14,096 Bill Cunningham: Hello Andrew, 2279 01:22:12,303 --> 01:22:14,096 it's quite the success. 2280 01:22:14,138 --> 01:22:15,431 Hey! Thank you, Bill. 2281 01:22:15,473 --> 01:22:19,018 It's such a contemplative space, 2282 01:22:15,473 --> 01:22:19,018 it's very... 2283 01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:20,269 - Brilliant. 2284 01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:20,269 - Quiet. 2285 01:22:20,311 --> 01:22:21,896 When I think 2286 01:22:20,311 --> 01:22:21,896 how they allowed this... 2287 01:22:22,313 --> 01:22:23,898 Poor Mrs. Vreeland. 2288 01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:27,902 They killed her with exhibition, 2289 01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:27,902 keeping it downstairs. 2290 01:22:28,444 --> 01:22:29,779 The Asian Art Department 2291 01:22:28,444 --> 01:22:29,779 has been 2292 01:22:29,821 --> 01:22:31,698 incredibly generous with us. 2293 01:22:31,739 --> 01:22:33,115 They have, yeah. 2294 01:22:33,157 --> 01:22:34,659 Twenty years late. 2295 01:22:36,661 --> 01:22:38,538 What's up, Met Ball? 2296 01:22:38,579 --> 01:22:40,331 (cheering) 2297 01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:44,627 Isn't it amazing how fashion 2298 01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:44,627 can bring two cultures together? 2299 01:22:44,669 --> 01:22:47,505 (cheering and applause) 2300 01:22:48,673 --> 01:22:51,050 I wanna give a round of applause 2301 01:22:48,673 --> 01:22:51,050 to everybody here tonight. 2302 01:22:51,091 --> 01:22:54,220 Anna Wintour, thank you so much 2303 01:22:51,091 --> 01:22:54,220 for having me. 2304 01:22:56,890 --> 01:22:58,307 Everybody ready to party? 2305 01:22:59,517 --> 01:23:04,271 ♪ (sings 2306 01:22:59,517 --> 01:23:04,271 "Bitch Better Have My Money") ♪ 2307 01:23:50,276 --> 01:23:52,236 (applause fades out) 2308 01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:56,699 ♪ ("Wild is the Wind" 2309 01:23:52,820 --> 01:23:56,699 by Cat Power plays) ♪ 2310 01:28:02,778 --> 01:28:04,989 "Are you both there? 2311 01:28:02,778 --> 01:28:04,989 I'll be around 6:45, 2312 01:28:05,031 --> 01:28:07,491 Do I need to pick anything up? 2313 01:28:05,031 --> 01:28:07,491 I'm gonna say..." 2314 01:28:07,533 --> 01:28:09,451 - Starbucks. 2315 01:28:07,533 --> 01:28:09,451 - "Yes. 2316 01:28:10,161 --> 01:28:13,039 Big box of Starbucks." 2317 01:28:13,497 --> 01:28:15,499 Everybody looks shockingly 2318 01:28:13,497 --> 01:28:15,499 good this year. 2319 01:28:15,541 --> 01:28:17,334 Yeah, Chloe Sevigny 2320 01:28:15,541 --> 01:28:17,334 looked amazing. 2321 01:28:18,669 --> 01:28:21,296 - Spike Lee, he looks great! 2322 01:28:18,669 --> 01:28:21,296 - I know. 2323 01:28:22,256 --> 01:28:24,550 You gonna just die 2324 01:28:22,256 --> 01:28:24,550 over what Rihanna wore. 2325 01:28:24,591 --> 01:28:26,510 Martin Hoops: 2326 01:28:24,591 --> 01:28:26,510 I can't wait to see it. 2327 01:28:28,387 --> 01:28:29,889 - Oh, my God. 2328 01:28:28,387 --> 01:28:29,889 - Boom! 2329 01:28:30,223 --> 01:28:31,765 That is excellent! 2330 01:28:31,807 --> 01:28:33,600 It's like a Disney movie. 2331 01:28:33,642 --> 01:28:36,103 Every single one of them. 2332 01:28:33,642 --> 01:28:36,103 Boom. 2333 01:28:37,271 --> 01:28:38,480 Yeah, she should be the cover. 2334 01:28:38,522 --> 01:28:40,482 Yes. 2335 01:28:38,522 --> 01:28:40,482 Look at her body guard. 2336 01:28:40,524 --> 01:28:41,734 Where? This guy? 2337 01:28:41,775 --> 01:28:43,694 He's brilliant. 2338 01:28:41,775 --> 01:28:43,694 He's holding her purse! 2339 01:28:44,195 --> 01:28:46,405 I would hold her purse, too. 2340 01:28:44,195 --> 01:28:46,405 I would hold it all night. 2341 01:28:46,446 --> 01:28:47,990 Malle: Oh, my God! 2342 01:28:50,243 --> 01:28:52,286 Hoops: Do you see any 2343 01:28:50,243 --> 01:28:52,286 resemblance, David, 2344 01:28:52,327 --> 01:28:53,537 between me and Clooney? 2345 01:28:53,579 --> 01:28:55,330 So he went bow tie-less. 2346 01:28:55,372 --> 01:28:58,458 That's what studs 2347 01:28:55,372 --> 01:28:58,458 like this do, David. 2348 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:00,627 Me and George, 2349 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:00,627 we know what we're doing. 2350 01:29:00,669 --> 01:29:02,337 Malle: That's cool. 2351 01:29:00,669 --> 01:29:02,337 Actually that is good. 2352 01:29:02,379 --> 01:29:03,547 Hoops: This is good. 2353 01:29:03,589 --> 01:29:04,965 Now you got her 2354 01:29:03,589 --> 01:29:04,965 in a gothic room, 2355 01:29:05,007 --> 01:29:06,508 medieval gothic. 2356 01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:08,010 Ecclesiastical... 2357 01:29:08,052 --> 01:29:09,511 (indistinct) 2358 01:29:09,553 --> 01:29:10,888 Am I being banned? 2359 01:29:11,222 --> 01:29:12,514 Go back to your room. 2360 01:29:12,556 --> 01:29:14,725 - Getting close. 2361 01:29:12,556 --> 01:29:14,725 - Go back to my room! 2362 01:29:15,559 --> 01:29:17,603 - We'll do this. 2363 01:29:15,559 --> 01:29:17,603 - Malle: That's nice. 2364 01:29:18,437 --> 01:29:19,688 - Spread. 2365 01:29:18,437 --> 01:29:19,688 - Right. 2366 01:29:19,730 --> 01:29:21,774 - And then the last two. 2367 01:29:19,730 --> 01:29:21,774 - Great. 2368 01:29:24,443 --> 01:29:26,028 Hoops: I think it actually looks 2369 01:29:24,443 --> 01:29:26,028 really good. 2370 01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:27,404 Malle: Yeah, I do too. 2371 01:29:37,414 --> 01:29:39,792 I will bet everybody lunch here, 2372 01:29:39,833 --> 01:29:41,710 that when I lay out 2373 01:29:39,833 --> 01:29:41,710 that pomegranate, 2374 01:29:41,752 --> 01:29:43,796 she's gonna say, 2375 01:29:41,752 --> 01:29:43,796 "Oh, this is nice." 2376 01:29:44,797 --> 01:29:45,714 Yeah. 2377 01:29:45,756 --> 01:29:47,633 Okay, Martin, let's do this. 2378 01:29:48,675 --> 01:29:50,385 The pomegranates... 2379 01:29:50,427 --> 01:29:51,845 just perfect. 2380 01:29:52,179 --> 01:29:53,639 - Martin loves pomegranates. 2381 01:29:52,179 --> 01:29:53,639 - Yeah. 2382 01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:55,390 Me and AW have 2383 01:29:55,432 --> 01:29:57,768 a similar wavelength 2384 01:29:55,432 --> 01:29:57,768 in our brains. 2385 01:29:57,810 --> 01:30:00,604 She goes, you know, 2386 01:29:57,810 --> 01:30:00,604 "Big stars like Derek Jeter." 2387 01:30:00,938 --> 01:30:03,816 I said Jeter! I'm like, 2388 01:30:00,938 --> 01:30:03,816 of course, he's the captain! 2389 01:30:03,857 --> 01:30:05,734 I said he should get 2390 01:30:03,857 --> 01:30:05,734 a cover line. The captain? 2391 01:30:05,776 --> 01:30:07,820 I think that's almost 2392 01:30:05,776 --> 01:30:07,820 on the same par... 2393 01:30:08,195 --> 01:30:11,740 I told you, me and Anna have 2394 01:30:08,195 --> 01:30:11,740 same brain, the same brain. 2395 01:30:11,782 --> 01:30:14,534 Cher, Derek Jeter. I mean, 2396 01:30:11,782 --> 01:30:14,534 you gotta sell this thing. 2397 01:30:14,576 --> 01:30:16,703 This is not 2398 01:30:14,576 --> 01:30:16,703 a niche magazine, you know. 2399 01:30:16,745 --> 01:30:18,247 We gotta get the names 2400 01:30:16,745 --> 01:30:18,247 on there! 2401 01:30:18,622 --> 01:30:19,957 They said they're gonna 2402 01:30:18,622 --> 01:30:19,957 film the Met, 2403 01:30:21,458 --> 01:30:22,626 but it's not about the Met, 2404 01:30:21,458 --> 01:30:22,626 it's about this, right here. 2405 01:30:22,668 --> 01:30:24,419 This is going to be 2406 01:30:22,668 --> 01:30:24,419 the whole documentary. 2407 01:30:24,461 --> 01:30:25,963 That's it. Done. 177787

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