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Thank you Lisa. 12 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:12,950 (applause) 13 00:01:14,103 --> 00:01:16,686 (violin music) 14 00:01:30,289 --> 00:01:33,896 - [Man] You have the Iberian blacks of Robert Motherwell's 15 00:01:33,896 --> 00:01:37,610 "Elegy to the Spanish Republic" number 126. 16 00:01:37,610 --> 00:01:39,910 - [Woman] And here we have Barnett Newman on one side 17 00:01:39,910 --> 00:01:41,830 on the right hand side of the gallery, 18 00:01:41,830 --> 00:01:44,160 and Ad Rheinhardt on the other. 19 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,759 - [Guide] Here, in the penultimate gallery, 20 00:01:46,759 --> 00:01:51,710 gallery 11, you have 10 monumental canvases 21 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:53,163 by Clyfford Still. 22 00:01:54,083 --> 00:01:55,830 (mysterious music) 23 00:01:55,830 --> 00:01:59,590 - [Man] Well, Clyfford Still, one of the most enigmatic, 24 00:01:59,590 --> 00:02:03,810 mysterious, toughest, most emotional, 25 00:02:03,810 --> 00:02:07,270 of all the great American abstract impressionists. 26 00:02:07,270 --> 00:02:09,370 - Jackson Pollock said that Clyfford Still 27 00:02:09,370 --> 00:02:11,120 makes the rest of us look academic. 28 00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:18,260 - He was just a very clearly strange individual. 29 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,463 I never know of anybody who was quite so off the wall as he. 30 00:02:24,610 --> 00:02:27,520 - It's a quote from Pollock and I think it's 1947, 31 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,737 when he says, "Clyff Still, Rothko and I, 32 00:02:30,737 --> 00:02:32,647 "we change the face of painting." 33 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:34,760 - Who's Clyfford Still? 34 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,510 Well, we're still finding out. 35 00:02:36,510 --> 00:02:40,740 We weren't even allowed to know, for decades and decades, 36 00:02:40,740 --> 00:02:44,860 he famously sort of absented himself at the height, 37 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:47,692 or at the end of abstract expressionism. 38 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,113 - I don't think he removed himself from the world of art, 39 00:02:53,062 --> 00:02:54,560 from the world of ideas. He definitely removed himself 40 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:55,393 from the art world. 41 00:02:57,079 --> 00:03:01,151 - He had to get away from what he called 42 00:03:01,151 --> 00:03:03,710 the corruption of the art world. 43 00:03:03,710 --> 00:03:07,490 - He was more interested and more firmly convinced 44 00:03:07,490 --> 00:03:10,640 about an artist doing what Still felt 45 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,410 that artists should do. 46 00:03:12,410 --> 00:03:13,820 Paint. 47 00:03:13,820 --> 00:03:17,920 - He kept himself apart, he was a very secretive man. 48 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:21,100 And if you make yourself an outsider, 49 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:24,850 then people who look at the movement 50 00:03:24,850 --> 00:03:27,340 are going to put you outside the movement, 51 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:28,430 as simple as that. 52 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:33,560 - You know, it's not a popularity contest, 53 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,610 and art and life are incongruous to each other. 54 00:03:36,610 --> 00:03:38,380 I mean, you make a decision that you wanna do that, 55 00:03:38,380 --> 00:03:41,370 it doesn't mean that you're gonna be in favor all the time. 56 00:03:41,370 --> 00:03:42,620 It doesn't mean that you're gonna have, 57 00:03:42,620 --> 00:03:43,930 there are gonna people who don't understand 58 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:44,829 what you're doing. 59 00:03:46,450 --> 00:03:47,730 Painting is about time. 60 00:03:47,730 --> 00:03:49,650 Painting is about death, 61 00:03:49,650 --> 00:03:51,700 and you're making a physical fact. 62 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:53,960 And paintings bring you into their present 63 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,820 whenever you get in contact with them. 64 00:03:58,083 --> 00:04:00,666 (guitar music) 65 00:04:07,330 --> 00:04:09,980 - For years and years and years, my parents would take me 66 00:04:09,980 --> 00:04:11,760 to the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art 67 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,253 to see whatever the exhibition of the time was. 68 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,980 And I have a vivid memory of seeing Still's work 69 00:04:20,980 --> 00:04:23,930 at the museum there, I was probably 10 years old. 70 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:26,500 And what I remember about it was a particular painting 71 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:30,330 that I focused on, kind of human sized, 72 00:04:30,330 --> 00:04:34,133 maybe six foot high, largely black painting. 73 00:04:34,133 --> 00:04:37,050 (absrtract music) 74 00:04:50,329 --> 00:04:53,830 And what captivated me was that the title of the painting 75 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:56,047 listed on the label was "Self Portrait." 76 00:05:01,450 --> 00:05:03,420 There was nothing about this that a 10 year old 77 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:05,050 could in any way, shape, or form, think of 78 00:05:05,050 --> 00:05:06,273 as a self portrait. 79 00:05:12,220 --> 00:05:13,410 And I was hooked. 80 00:05:13,410 --> 00:05:15,340 I didn't understand this at all, 81 00:05:15,340 --> 00:05:17,420 but I was completely captivated 82 00:05:17,420 --> 00:05:19,570 and that was my introduction to modern art. 83 00:05:27,484 --> 00:05:30,090 (abstract music) 84 00:05:30,090 --> 00:05:33,180 - I was very much impressed not only by 85 00:05:33,180 --> 00:05:38,180 his own person and persona but in terms of his intellect 86 00:05:38,580 --> 00:05:43,580 and his integrity about his own work, 87 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:45,550 how it was to be displayed, 88 00:05:45,550 --> 00:05:48,680 all those things of course that would drive 89 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,020 museum directors a little crazy perhaps, 90 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:54,940 but, but that's the way it was with him. 91 00:05:54,940 --> 00:05:58,440 - I loved him but I was terrified of him you know, 92 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,460 because he did look like God as some, 93 00:06:01,460 --> 00:06:05,420 one of the painters so kindly said. (laughs) 94 00:06:05,420 --> 00:06:09,940 - He turned out to be an extraordinary artist, 95 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:14,370 and I'm proud and lucky that of all his contemporaries 96 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:16,453 that I got to be his daughter. 97 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:20,200 - It's a complicated journey that the guy went on. 98 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,463 It's also a real story of America. 99 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,190 - [Man] It was as a journey that one must make 100 00:06:31,190 --> 00:06:32,813 walking straight and alone. 101 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:35,560 No respite or shortcuts were permitted 102 00:06:36,620 --> 00:06:38,250 and one's will had to hold 103 00:06:38,250 --> 00:06:40,730 against every challenge of triumph, 104 00:06:40,730 --> 00:06:43,523 or failure, or the praise of vanity fair. 105 00:06:51,354 --> 00:06:52,760 - - [Woman] That's the recorder, 106 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,930 tape recorder. (mans voice on tape) 107 00:06:53,930 --> 00:06:55,250 I remember when he bought that, 108 00:06:55,250 --> 00:06:57,110 he came home with it. 109 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:58,590 - Audio tape? - Audio tape, yes. 110 00:06:58,590 --> 00:06:59,962 - Jesus Christ. 111 00:06:59,962 --> 00:07:00,795 Why didn't you tell me about-- - 30, how many hours 112 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:01,630 did you come up with Jess? 113 00:07:01,630 --> 00:07:02,790 30? - 34. 114 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:06,420 - [Man] 34 hours of audiotape. 115 00:07:06,420 --> 00:07:08,035 - Do I know this? 116 00:07:08,035 --> 00:07:09,110 - [Man] Well okay, I want you to hear this. 117 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:11,055 - [Jess] Which one is this? 118 00:07:11,055 --> 00:07:12,433 - [Woman On Tape] This is our new machine, 119 00:07:13,490 --> 00:07:15,093 we just got it today. 120 00:07:17,657 --> 00:07:19,893 And it's all ours. 121 00:07:21,045 --> 00:07:22,510 - Well on the one hand I'm amazed 122 00:07:22,510 --> 00:07:24,650 at an archival discovery of this kind, 123 00:07:24,650 --> 00:07:27,890 and on the other hand it doesn't surprise me that much 124 00:07:27,890 --> 00:07:30,320 because Still was really very, very, 125 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,937 intent on recording everything he did, 126 00:07:32,937 --> 00:07:36,778 and this is an expression of that kind of mindset. 127 00:07:36,778 --> 00:07:39,060 (dramatic music) 128 00:07:39,060 --> 00:07:40,250 - [Voice Over] Creatively reflecting 129 00:07:40,250 --> 00:07:42,830 the anxious temper of the times is modern art 130 00:07:43,810 --> 00:07:46,950 and impatience with old-fashioned forms and limitations 131 00:07:46,950 --> 00:07:49,000 had launched the 20th century artist 132 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,920 on a restless search for new ways of expression, 133 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,450 and for new techniques. 134 00:07:53,450 --> 00:07:55,550 - If they are to find a place 135 00:07:55,550 --> 00:07:58,490 in the civilization of the next half century, 136 00:07:58,490 --> 00:08:02,740 the visual arts must in effect compromise with the machine. 137 00:08:02,740 --> 00:08:05,510 This can be done, only within the terms 138 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:07,623 of what we call abstract art. 139 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,010 - Abstract Expressionism was an American art movement 140 00:08:13,010 --> 00:08:15,680 that developed during and after the Second World War, 141 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,640 that fused the relatively recent idea of an abstract art, 142 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,360 with the age-old tradition of Expressionism. 143 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,980 - Before that virtually all the artists 144 00:08:25,980 --> 00:08:27,600 had lived through the Great Depression 145 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,800 and they were marked by that for decades to come. 146 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,789 There's a strong argument to be said for the idea that 147 00:08:33,789 --> 00:08:38,013 Abstract Expressionism really mirrors the age of anxiety 148 00:08:38,013 --> 00:08:40,929 (discordant music) 149 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:52,440 - Abex if you call it was such a huge movement 150 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:56,983 in the United States, it went all over the world. 151 00:09:00,930 --> 00:09:04,170 One of probably the largest exports that this country 152 00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:06,933 still has exported. 153 00:09:08,340 --> 00:09:11,250 - It's sometimes called the School of New York 154 00:09:11,250 --> 00:09:14,210 and that's a complete geographical misnomer. 155 00:09:14,210 --> 00:09:17,910 It spans both coasts of the United States 156 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:20,160 West Coast and the East Coast, 157 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,620 and significantly, Still was actually moving 158 00:09:23,620 --> 00:09:26,690 between those coasts in the 1940s with his Jaguar 159 00:09:31,020 --> 00:09:32,710 - Still, moved around a heck of a lot. 160 00:09:32,710 --> 00:09:34,550 He was peripatetic. 161 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:38,230 Location, with the exception of Alberta prairies, 162 00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:39,833 didn't mean a lot to Still. 163 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:45,040 - [Man] Clyfford Still has a very important 164 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,440 one-person exhibition in the Bay Area in 1947 at the 165 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,770 California Palace of the Legion of Honor, 166 00:09:50,770 --> 00:09:52,520 that includes almost exclusively 167 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,620 works that we would now call Abstract Expressionist. 168 00:09:55,620 --> 00:09:59,210 This is the exhibition that Rothko said left not only him 169 00:09:59,210 --> 00:10:01,973 but everyone else who had seen it breathless. 170 00:10:02,821 --> 00:10:05,321 (piano music) 171 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,980 - [David] Still and Rothko talk together at the 172 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:27,920 California School of Fine Arts in 1946, 173 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,350 and it's no coincidence that 1946 was the very year 174 00:10:32,350 --> 00:10:36,290 when Rothko began to make his breakthrough into abstraction 175 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:38,743 with his so-called multiform canvases. 176 00:10:45,570 --> 00:10:48,243 - Yes, I was first aware of Mark Rothko 177 00:10:48,243 --> 00:10:53,243 who taught at the California School of Fine Arts 178 00:10:53,290 --> 00:10:54,700 at the same time my dad did, 179 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:57,570 and we would have dinner with him occasionally, 180 00:10:57,570 --> 00:11:01,550 but I remember he was a presence in the school. 181 00:11:01,550 --> 00:11:04,377 - I think dad thought he found a kindred spirit. 182 00:11:04,377 --> 00:11:05,210 (violin music) 183 00:11:05,210 --> 00:11:08,280 Dad analyzed him, they were good friends, 184 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,530 dad said were kind of different species. 185 00:11:10,530 --> 00:11:14,910 Still was from this Wild West so to speak of Canada, 186 00:11:14,910 --> 00:11:18,603 Rothko was more European, a more sentient person. 187 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,870 - [Man] Interestingly the criticism 188 00:11:23,870 --> 00:11:26,490 that surrounds his exhibitions in San Francisco 189 00:11:26,490 --> 00:11:29,130 starts Still off on this relationship, 190 00:11:29,130 --> 00:11:31,730 bad that he will have with art criticisms. 191 00:11:31,730 --> 00:11:35,200 In 1943 they spell his name wrong twice, 192 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,550 in 1947 I think, the critics are only met with 193 00:11:38,550 --> 00:11:40,810 baffling images that they don't even know how to read 194 00:11:40,810 --> 00:11:41,923 let alone interpret. 195 00:11:49,690 --> 00:11:52,810 Mark Rothko introduces Still to Peggy Guggenheim 196 00:11:52,810 --> 00:11:54,950 who had opened a gallery called Art of the Century 197 00:11:54,950 --> 00:11:57,160 in New York during the Second World War. 198 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,480 - [Sandra] She knew what Clyfford had was extraordinary 199 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,267 and even admitted "I'm really more into surrealism 200 00:12:04,267 --> 00:12:07,290 "but I will show you." (jazz music) 201 00:12:07,290 --> 00:12:09,490 - [Man] Rothko helps stretch the paintings, 202 00:12:09,490 --> 00:12:13,274 wrote on Stills work, he installed his first one-man show. 203 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:14,727 - And Rothko told him, 204 00:12:14,727 --> 00:12:18,660 "Please come to New York, this is Mecca." 205 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:22,210 So Clyfford went to Mecca, we all followed. 206 00:12:22,210 --> 00:12:24,070 He liberated their work, their work 207 00:12:24,070 --> 00:12:26,813 changed almost overnight because of him. 208 00:12:27,810 --> 00:12:30,380 They were fumbling, "Where do we go from here?" 209 00:12:30,380 --> 00:12:33,160 And Clyfford provided them with the answer, 210 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,510 get rid of the frame, go inward, 211 00:12:36,510 --> 00:12:39,840 what is that that you have to say and so on, 212 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,208 and their work blossomed. 213 00:12:42,208 --> 00:12:45,125 (futuristic music) 214 00:12:47,910 --> 00:12:49,850 - There exists a fantastic photograph 215 00:12:49,850 --> 00:12:52,130 that appeared in Life magazine in 1950, 216 00:12:52,130 --> 00:12:54,200 that we call the Irascibles Group, 217 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,970 that includes all the seminal figures 218 00:12:55,970 --> 00:12:57,620 of the Abstract Expressionist movement, 219 00:12:57,620 --> 00:13:00,680 and particularly Jackson Pollock, Clyfford Still, 220 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:02,890 Mark Rothko and Barnett Newman. 221 00:13:02,890 --> 00:13:05,750 Those four who were famously called by Betty Parsons 222 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:07,713 the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. 223 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,210 - I think of what Diebenkorn said about Clyfford Still 224 00:13:13,210 --> 00:13:17,080 when he was invited to go to the studio 225 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,780 in the bottom of the California School of Fine Arts, 226 00:13:19,780 --> 00:13:22,437 he said, "Well, his stuff was very austere. 227 00:13:22,437 --> 00:13:24,420 "it didn't have anything to do with, 228 00:13:24,420 --> 00:13:29,420 with European painting, it was it was fiercely independent." 229 00:13:31,726 --> 00:13:34,643 (discordant piano) 230 00:13:47,806 --> 00:13:51,473 "It was not seductive, it was very American, 231 00:13:54,207 --> 00:13:57,430 "it was rejecting influence." 232 00:13:57,430 --> 00:14:01,300 Well, that's a lot to say 233 00:14:01,300 --> 00:14:04,010 and it's a lot to undertake, 234 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:06,800 and I think that Clyff stood for that. 235 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,460 - Of the group he was the roughest one. 236 00:14:13,460 --> 00:14:15,210 The edge is a little more jagged, 237 00:14:15,210 --> 00:14:17,140 you can see the paintbrush strokes, 238 00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:20,173 you really saw his hand and you saw the struggle. 239 00:14:25,063 --> 00:14:26,840 You're not sure if he's referencing nature, 240 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,833 you're not sure if he's referencing. 241 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:33,220 You don't know where those points come from. 242 00:14:34,650 --> 00:14:36,924 - They look like oscilloscopes in a way 243 00:14:36,924 --> 00:14:39,424 and at the same time they're like mountain ranges. 244 00:14:46,501 --> 00:14:49,190 You kind of travel over all the marks 245 00:14:49,190 --> 00:14:51,423 that are painted in the paintings, 246 00:14:52,490 --> 00:14:54,670 so there's a real voyage that you take 247 00:14:54,670 --> 00:14:56,170 when you look at those things. 248 00:15:00,290 --> 00:15:02,667 - [Clyfford] When I hang a painting I would have it say, 249 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:04,307 "Here am I. 250 00:15:04,307 --> 00:15:08,637 "This is my presence, my feeling, myself. 251 00:15:08,637 --> 00:15:13,327 "Here I stand implacable, proud, alive, 252 00:15:13,327 --> 00:15:15,967 "naked, unafraid. 253 00:15:15,967 --> 00:15:18,827 "If one does not like it, he should turn away, 254 00:15:18,827 --> 00:15:21,220 "because I am looking at him." 255 00:15:21,220 --> 00:15:23,880 - It went well for a time, 256 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,880 but then who did what, when, where, became an issue. 257 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,660 Who painted something first? 258 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:33,973 Dad would start to back off and back off. 259 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,037 (futuristic music) 260 00:15:41,220 --> 00:15:44,717 - [David] When Dorothy Miller did the "15 Americans" in 1952 261 00:15:44,717 --> 00:15:46,513 she really had a tough time. 262 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:51,880 Because Still was given his own room, 263 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,590 Rothko was given his own room, 264 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:56,063 and are almost in rivalry with each other. 265 00:15:57,420 --> 00:15:59,270 Rothko wanted blazing lights 266 00:15:59,270 --> 00:16:01,483 to bring out the intensity of the colors, 267 00:16:02,410 --> 00:16:03,570 and on the other hand, 268 00:16:03,570 --> 00:16:06,270 Still showed a very famous painting, 269 00:16:06,270 --> 00:16:07,767 a big, black painting that's now 270 00:16:07,767 --> 00:16:10,010 in the Art Institute of Chicago, 271 00:16:10,010 --> 00:16:12,083 and he called it a "big black monster". 272 00:16:14,436 --> 00:16:15,660 And it's as if you've got these two artists 273 00:16:15,660 --> 00:16:17,540 really, kind of you know, 274 00:16:17,540 --> 00:16:19,440 fighting against each other almost, 275 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,400 to outdo each other. 276 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,280 - The fact that these two artists fought 277 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,410 for their own rooms at a point in their career 278 00:16:26,410 --> 00:16:27,530 where they were still very young 279 00:16:27,530 --> 00:16:29,420 and not well-known to anyone, 280 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:31,330 shows a certain audacity, and I think, 281 00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:33,463 belief they had in what they were doing. 282 00:16:35,210 --> 00:16:37,830 - [David] I think after "15 Americans" in '52 283 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:40,840 the tension between them starts to grow and grow, 284 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,493 until they completely break from each other. 285 00:16:45,230 --> 00:16:48,070 - [Man] Clyfford Still is particularly watching 286 00:16:48,070 --> 00:16:50,433 the path that Mark Rothko takes. 287 00:16:52,350 --> 00:16:55,580 Very actively involved with art museums and galleries, 288 00:16:55,580 --> 00:16:58,730 commercial galleries and various public commissions, 289 00:16:58,730 --> 00:17:01,503 like the Seagram's murals later in the 1950s. 290 00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:09,660 I think this all says to Clyfford Still 291 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:12,153 that Rothko has gone to the other side. 292 00:17:14,579 --> 00:17:17,530 And I think Still turns out to be right 293 00:17:17,530 --> 00:17:20,450 given the deep depression that Rothko starts to face 294 00:17:20,450 --> 00:17:23,160 in the 1960s that eventually ends with his suicide 295 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,490 in his studio in 1970. 296 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:28,512 - He didn't begrudge that. 297 00:17:30,370 --> 00:17:32,890 He didn't begrudge that at all. 298 00:17:32,890 --> 00:17:34,810 He understood it, he also understood 299 00:17:34,810 --> 00:17:38,603 that Rothko stopped being creative, growing. 300 00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:41,600 They all stopped growing 301 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,483 as soon as that particular work became important. 302 00:17:45,790 --> 00:17:48,083 Pollock got killed, killed himself. 303 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,023 Rothko did too. 304 00:17:51,860 --> 00:17:56,193 - And dad felt like Rothko had sold out, 305 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,783 and I guess Rothko was pretty upset about that, 306 00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:05,853 because I remember walking down the street in New York, 307 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:10,870 in the early 60s, and there was Mark Rothko 308 00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:15,483 coming toward us, and he looked so angry. 309 00:18:16,714 --> 00:18:20,900 He looked at dad, and it was just sad, 310 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:23,980 because he understood what dad was doing, 311 00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:25,140 but he couldn't commit to it. 312 00:18:25,140 --> 00:18:28,910 His excuse was, "I have a family to raise." 313 00:18:28,910 --> 00:18:29,960 - Still, in some ways, 314 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,040 almost predicted this outcome for Rothko. 315 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,160 They hadn't spoken in many, many years. 316 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,660 When Still was in Buffalo visiting his paintings 317 00:18:37,660 --> 00:18:40,320 at the Albright-Knox, the news was delivered to him 318 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,527 and Still was known to have said. 319 00:18:42,527 --> 00:18:45,687 "Evil falls to those who live evil lives." 320 00:18:47,470 --> 00:18:48,590 - He might have said something, 321 00:18:48,590 --> 00:18:51,650 but I just don't ever, never remember him, 322 00:18:51,650 --> 00:18:53,833 talking about Rothko as evil. 323 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:59,900 Kind of failing his art maybe, 324 00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:03,450 but I never heard him use the word evil once 325 00:19:03,450 --> 00:19:04,913 about any of them. 326 00:19:07,610 --> 00:19:10,366 - Well that kind of quote you know, it's pure Still. 327 00:19:10,366 --> 00:19:14,070 Very aphoristic, very moralistic. 328 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:16,060 He said what he wanted to say at the end of the day. 329 00:19:16,060 --> 00:19:18,927 He was cutting out because he wanted to be cutting. 330 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,840 - [Clyfford] I told Rothko on several occasions 331 00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:27,690 that he should abandon such nonsense, 332 00:19:27,690 --> 00:19:30,350 forget this myth thing which he was tying up 333 00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:31,273 to the Greeks. 334 00:19:32,350 --> 00:19:34,873 Rothko moved on, back where he belonged, 335 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:41,850 into his fuzzy Bauhaus, cultural associations, 336 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:47,043 and was very happy to leave the rigor I set, 337 00:19:48,459 --> 00:19:52,128 for the creative act for his steady manufacture of 338 00:19:52,128 --> 00:19:53,923 varieties of rectangles. 339 00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:06,410 - [David] Well you've got to remember that Still 340 00:20:06,410 --> 00:20:08,510 had a very difficult upbringing, 341 00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:11,840 and unlike most of the other, much more urbane, 342 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,390 New York-based Abstract Expressionists, 343 00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:17,463 Still had a tough life on the Canadian prairies. 344 00:20:23,794 --> 00:20:26,294 (piano music) 345 00:20:34,697 --> 00:20:36,717 The art historian Dore Ashton, 346 00:20:36,717 --> 00:20:39,980 recounted that Still used to talk to her 347 00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:44,173 about shucking wheat until his hands were bloody. 348 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:52,350 - [Sandra] He was a free laborer to his father 349 00:20:52,350 --> 00:20:54,183 and he was treated that way. 350 00:20:55,370 --> 00:20:57,970 It was nothing romantic about 351 00:20:57,970 --> 00:21:02,070 that kind of farming and survival. 352 00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:04,693 This is struggle, this is hard. 353 00:21:06,810 --> 00:21:09,643 (dramatic music) 354 00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:18,010 When I look at the earlier works, 355 00:21:18,010 --> 00:21:20,370 the romantic trains that he did, 356 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:23,460 and if you look at the photographs that he took, 357 00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:26,450 and I think it was around 1929, 358 00:21:26,450 --> 00:21:28,773 pretty barren land. 359 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:33,430 Trains were freedom. 360 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:36,573 The smoke going across, that's to civilization. 361 00:21:41,490 --> 00:21:43,343 - The vertical is crucial to Still. 362 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:51,820 Sometimes it might be smoke rising from a train, 363 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:54,397 it might be a figure, but he said, 364 00:21:54,397 --> 00:21:57,307 "Where I come from, you either stood up and lived 365 00:21:57,307 --> 00:21:59,107 "or lay down and died." 366 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,210 The vertical amounts to a life force, 367 00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:06,293 as he put it, lifelines. 368 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,780 The space is what in the later paintings 369 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:12,470 will become the extraordinary chromatic fields 370 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:14,810 and gulfs of the abstractions, 371 00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:18,110 and this struggle between the vertical 372 00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:20,430 and between an empty field-like space 373 00:22:20,430 --> 00:22:23,473 is absolutely central to Still's entire art. 374 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:26,548 - I asked him one time, I said, 375 00:22:26,548 --> 00:22:28,680 "What is this thing about the lifeline?" 376 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,887 And he said, "Well when I was a little kid 377 00:22:30,887 --> 00:22:33,747 "up in Canada when my father was farming 378 00:22:33,747 --> 00:22:35,057 "on very, very bad land, 379 00:22:35,057 --> 00:22:36,483 "they were digging a well, 380 00:22:37,917 --> 00:22:39,957 "and they dug this well down, you know, 381 00:22:39,957 --> 00:22:42,143 "20, 30 feet something like that, 382 00:22:43,323 --> 00:22:45,047 "and they needed to get somebody down there 383 00:22:45,047 --> 00:22:47,617 "to see if they've gotten as far as the water. 384 00:22:47,617 --> 00:22:49,887 "So they tied a rope around my ankle 385 00:22:49,887 --> 00:22:51,970 "and dropped me down the well slot, 386 00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:53,137 you know, headfirst." 387 00:23:00,362 --> 00:23:01,933 And he said, "It was such a traumatic experience 388 00:23:01,933 --> 00:23:03,983 that it remained with me all of my life." 389 00:23:09,942 --> 00:23:10,940 Whenever I see that lifeline 390 00:23:10,940 --> 00:23:14,780 I think of Clyfford hanging by his ankles (chuckles) 391 00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:15,613 down the well. 392 00:23:19,531 --> 00:23:22,864 (electric guitar music) 393 00:23:33,070 --> 00:23:35,120 - [Clyfford] There always been much imitation, 394 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,650 but the record is still a history 395 00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:38,083 of a very few individuals. 396 00:23:39,010 --> 00:23:40,810 I see Barney for all his energy, 397 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:42,933 a man of almost pathetic impotence. 398 00:23:44,543 --> 00:23:45,960 With a good mind he is incapable 399 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,260 of transcending ambition. 400 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:52,200 Only in the total destruction of this drive 401 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,830 or in escape therefrom, will he ever be in a position 402 00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:58,117 to create more than a pathetic act. 403 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,380 - Clyfford Still did not admire Barnett Newman, period. 404 00:24:03,380 --> 00:24:06,130 He reduced Still to a nothing. 405 00:24:06,130 --> 00:24:09,400 Barnett Newman took Clyfford Stills lifeline 406 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,993 and made a zipper out of it on a wall of color. 407 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:16,950 - We know art is not a race, 408 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:19,810 but artists themselves, they're, 409 00:24:19,810 --> 00:24:21,660 they're very conscious of how they stand 410 00:24:21,660 --> 00:24:23,170 with regard to other artists, 411 00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:26,166 and no one wants to be left behind. 412 00:24:26,166 --> 00:24:28,090 (guitar music) 413 00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:31,420 Barnett Newman really first discovered his upright 414 00:24:31,420 --> 00:24:34,773 vertical zip no sooner than 1948. 415 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,323 A painting called "Onement, 1" 416 00:24:41,615 --> 00:24:43,500 the point about Still is that he had been 417 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:47,053 investigating the vertical since the 1920s. 418 00:24:53,182 --> 00:24:54,015 And there was a painting 419 00:24:54,015 --> 00:24:56,260 which was once known as "Quicksilver" 420 00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:59,270 and then "July 1945-R", 421 00:24:59,270 --> 00:25:02,490 which basically consists of a single, snaking, 422 00:25:02,490 --> 00:25:07,390 upright white line, surrounded by a dark brown 423 00:25:07,390 --> 00:25:09,033 abyss of darkness. 424 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,710 That painting we know, 425 00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:21,487 was shown at Peggy Guggenheim's Art of the Century in 1946. 426 00:25:21,487 --> 00:25:22,320 (piano music) 427 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,933 That's two years before Barnett Newman's Onement, 1. 428 00:25:28,605 --> 00:25:30,100 - [Clyfford] Some of these men 429 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:34,370 are deeply concerned in destroying the priorities 430 00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:35,683 which they know exist. 431 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,530 I am ready to defend everything about those pictures 432 00:25:41,530 --> 00:25:44,270 with everything I have, and I have plenty. 433 00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:47,140 I have ample documentation for every picture 434 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:50,594 as to date and place, and Newman knows this 435 00:25:50,594 --> 00:25:52,344 and so does Tom Hess. 436 00:26:03,647 --> 00:26:05,670 - [Man] Interestingly, Still forms a close relationship 437 00:26:05,670 --> 00:26:08,660 with Pollock who is living in Long Island 438 00:26:08,660 --> 00:26:11,993 for most of the late 1940s and early 1950s. 439 00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:17,980 - [David] People forget that Jackson Pollock 440 00:26:17,980 --> 00:26:20,770 was one of the very few artists 441 00:26:20,770 --> 00:26:24,920 with whom Clyfford Still never fell out. 442 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,870 In 1956, Still planned to take Pollock 443 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:32,720 on a road trip west. 444 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,433 - Pollock looked up to Clyfford Still 445 00:26:35,433 --> 00:26:37,933 (piano music) 446 00:26:43,410 --> 00:26:46,083 - [David] Pollock was failing, he was alcoholic. 447 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,930 - [Sandra] Pollock knew that Clyfford was getting ready 448 00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:52,880 to go cross country. 449 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,553 He knew about these trips that happened often, 450 00:26:56,540 --> 00:26:58,357 and he wanted to go with dad, 451 00:26:58,357 --> 00:27:00,470 and he said, "Oh, I'll drive the Jag," 452 00:27:00,470 --> 00:27:03,810 and dad was "no, no", Pollock was not a good driver. 453 00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:05,900 He was a very dangerous driver 454 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:09,427 and he said, "No, but join me, let's caravan." 455 00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:13,940 The car that Pollock wanted to drive 456 00:27:13,940 --> 00:27:18,215 is the one that was exchanged for a painting 457 00:27:18,215 --> 00:27:20,453 and a case of booze. 458 00:27:21,790 --> 00:27:24,357 So dad told Pollock, "We'll caravan. 459 00:27:24,357 --> 00:27:25,480 "I'm leaving Trenton," 460 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,227 where he stored the Jaguar, 461 00:27:27,227 --> 00:27:28,987 "at such and such a time, 462 00:27:28,987 --> 00:27:30,490 "on such and such a day." 463 00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:34,130 And he waited for Pollock, he waited. 464 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:34,963 No show. 465 00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:39,300 They open up Time or Newsweek, 466 00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:40,950 I don't know which one, 467 00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:42,563 and dad was just heartbroken. 468 00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:46,497 - [David] Pollock had taken 469 00:27:46,497 --> 00:27:49,074 a very different kind of road trip. 470 00:27:49,074 --> 00:27:51,657 (somber music) 471 00:27:54,790 --> 00:27:57,293 The terrible fatal accident he had. 472 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:00,310 - [Sandra] And it disturbed dad, 473 00:28:00,310 --> 00:28:02,313 he told me the story many times. 474 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:07,500 - [David] Still recognized Pollock's greatness 475 00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:10,710 and vice versa, I have not the slightest doubt about that. 476 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,793 - [Man] He made things impossible for Betty Parsons. 477 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,470 She was allowed to sell the paintings 478 00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:28,770 but she wasn't allowed to show them virtually. 479 00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:36,120 - After three very successful exhibitions 480 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:37,490 at Betty Parson's gallery, 481 00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:40,737 he writes Betty with the following information, 482 00:28:40,737 --> 00:28:42,987 "I tell you now that I am withdrawing my work 483 00:28:42,987 --> 00:28:44,687 "from public exhibition." 484 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,740 - [David] Those latter years in New York, 485 00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:54,780 he's in the very epicenter of the art scene 486 00:28:54,780 --> 00:28:57,477 and at the same time is completely removed from it. 487 00:28:57,477 --> 00:28:59,773 And that's a typical Still paradox. 488 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:05,500 - I think his exit was honorable 489 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:07,860 and it was not manipulative, 490 00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:09,310 although he was manipulative. 491 00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:14,357 - Well I think there's absolutely 492 00:29:14,357 --> 00:29:15,410 no question about that and it's just it 493 00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:18,290 doesn't matter how you paint or what you do, 494 00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:20,010 you are the only artist in the world, 495 00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:21,493 that's what the ego dictates. 496 00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:24,800 - [Announcer] Just off Fifth Avenue 497 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,830 on a site long occupied by the old-fashioned town dwellings 498 00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:29,530 of the Rockefeller family, 499 00:29:29,530 --> 00:29:30,870 stands the spanking new home 500 00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:33,390 of a nationally important institution, 501 00:29:33,390 --> 00:29:35,620 the New York Museum of Modern Art. 502 00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:37,470 - Clyfford Still had a very 503 00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:40,370 tricky relationship with MoMA. 504 00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:45,370 I think he saw MoMA as the institutionalization 505 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:49,620 of modernism itself, and that's what he really hated. 506 00:29:49,620 --> 00:29:51,670 He famously referred to it as 507 00:29:51,670 --> 00:29:55,923 that gas chamber of culture on 53rd Street. 508 00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:59,540 - The Museum of Modern Art wanted to buy 509 00:30:00,530 --> 00:30:03,730 one of Still's paintings but one of, to him, 510 00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:07,530 a lesser painting, not a groundbreaking painting. 511 00:30:07,530 --> 00:30:11,580 He wanted them to take the big black with the red line. 512 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:14,150 (violin music) 513 00:30:14,150 --> 00:30:16,627 I'm quoting my father now, "They did not have 514 00:30:16,627 --> 00:30:18,027 "the courage to buy it." 515 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,790 So what he did, is he went home and made a reproduction 516 00:30:28,750 --> 00:30:32,770 and though he did not literally paint it with his left hand, 517 00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:34,941 he said "Emotionally I painted it 518 00:30:34,941 --> 00:30:37,247 with my left hand, indifferently." 519 00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:51,720 - Well I remember a show that MoMA did 520 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,600 a couple of years ago in which they exhibited 521 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,700 well over a hundred works from their holdings 522 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:00,900 of abstract expressionism, 523 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:03,530 and Mark Rothko got an entire room 524 00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:05,470 devoted to his work, 525 00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:08,770 but Clyfford Still had merely, had two canvases 526 00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:12,000 with a David Smith sculpture stuck in front of them. 527 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,660 That kind of presentation showed how, 528 00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:20,120 in a way, MoMA has belittled Still 529 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,323 compared to the other artists. 530 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,290 - I don't think there's any question 531 00:31:26,290 --> 00:31:28,060 there were two sides of Clyfford Still. 532 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:31,160 Family members and his children described him in one way 533 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,520 as being warm and passionate and a great father. 534 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,530 Well clearly, by other documentation, 535 00:31:36,530 --> 00:31:37,900 there was a different Clyfford Still 536 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:41,430 who would fight to the end when it came to matters of art. 537 00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:44,890 (upbeat music) 538 00:31:44,890 --> 00:31:46,320 - [Sandra] He turned down the Biennale 539 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,330 at least three times, possibly a fourth. 540 00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:50,510 One or twice, one man exhibits 541 00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:52,430 to represent the United States 542 00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:55,260 because he felt it was a carnival, 543 00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:57,810 he didn't consider it a meaningful 544 00:31:57,810 --> 00:31:59,530 commitment to art of any kind, 545 00:31:59,530 --> 00:32:01,730 it was sort of a road show kind of attitude. 546 00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:07,750 - Still was an outsider. 547 00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:11,130 He was irascible, it's said he could be cantankerous, 548 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:13,740 he didn't have his reputation for nothing. 549 00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:18,170 Still was someone who didn't go along with the herd. 550 00:32:18,170 --> 00:32:21,653 - Clyfford Still held critics in the highest contempt, 551 00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:27,840 because they felt they were more important than the artists. 552 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,450 They made the artists. 553 00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:31,940 The critics and the dealers made the artists. 554 00:32:31,940 --> 00:32:35,450 If they get on your bandwagon they will take you to the top. 555 00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:38,923 Greenberg, Pollock, all of them had their boy, 556 00:32:40,650 --> 00:32:44,030 and it was their job to write about them and sell them. 557 00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:46,483 They were part of the product package. 558 00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:50,150 He didn't have any respect for them. 559 00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:52,280 He tried, he talked with them, 560 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,563 he tried to educate them. 561 00:32:55,366 --> 00:32:58,033 (upbeat music) 562 00:33:01,179 --> 00:33:02,429 - Tell me when. 563 00:33:04,157 --> 00:33:08,007 "I consider the fawner," oh great, 564 00:33:08,007 --> 00:33:11,797 "called art critic, the least desirable 565 00:33:11,797 --> 00:33:14,975 "of those who've gained access to the work." 566 00:33:14,975 --> 00:33:15,950 (blows raspberry) 567 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:18,360 I am an art critic. 568 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,850 I could really care less what the artist thinks. 569 00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:24,017 I'm not writing for the artist. 570 00:33:24,017 --> 00:33:27,077 "I have steadfastly tried to withhold the work 571 00:33:27,077 --> 00:33:30,967 "from these characters, for many and obvious reasons, 572 00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:35,967 "not the least being their arrogance and stupidity." 573 00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:37,640 I'm writing for the audience. 574 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,200 I'm writing for the reader. 575 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,120 I'm trying to deliver up a full volume 576 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,520 of my opinion of what I think of the work, 577 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,290 where it fits in, what makes it original, 578 00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:50,080 what makes it unoriginal, 579 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,860 what might or may not be inventive about it, et cetera. 580 00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:57,327 And if the artist doesn't like it I would say, 581 00:33:57,327 --> 00:33:58,677 "Good for you. 582 00:33:58,677 --> 00:34:01,827 "You don't own the meaning of your work." 583 00:34:01,827 --> 00:34:06,430 "Clement Greenberg is really a small and lecherous man," 584 00:34:06,430 --> 00:34:08,007 I'm told that's true, 585 00:34:08,007 --> 00:34:10,337 "who, if given his own way, 586 00:34:10,337 --> 00:34:15,337 "would prefer to study nudes and sentimental landscapes." 587 00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:19,550 What makes Clyfford Still pretty great art, 588 00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:22,590 is you, and I, and Clyfford, 589 00:34:22,590 --> 00:34:25,110 are looking at different paintings when we look at them. 590 00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:28,047 And better yet, they change every time. 591 00:34:28,047 --> 00:34:31,107 "So, occasionally I relax by writing a letter 592 00:34:31,107 --> 00:34:33,967 "to the likes of the art press. 593 00:34:33,967 --> 00:34:36,206 "Pimps is a much better word." 594 00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:43,621 - [Interviewer] Take it from the top. 595 00:34:43,621 --> 00:34:44,590 Tell me a little bit about that day." 596 00:34:44,590 --> 00:34:46,139 - The day with the Ossorio, 597 00:34:46,139 --> 00:34:49,820 the day of confrontation so to speak. 598 00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:51,830 Well there's a little backstory to that. 599 00:34:51,830 --> 00:34:53,670 - Interesting man. 600 00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:57,860 He would hold musicals in his home. 601 00:34:57,860 --> 00:35:02,060 - Which is, specific painting was on loan to Ossorio. 602 00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:03,830 He would loan paintings, he wouldn't buy them. 603 00:35:03,830 --> 00:35:06,543 It didn't matter that he had money galore. 604 00:35:07,398 --> 00:35:11,920 - [Diane] Alfonso Ossorio inherited Domino sugar fortune. 605 00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:16,295 - [Sandra] Clyfford was in on the West Coast. 606 00:35:16,295 --> 00:35:17,128 (dramatic music) 607 00:35:17,128 --> 00:35:19,880 Ossorio announces I don't know that was through Patricia 608 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,560 or to Patricia or by a letter to Still, 609 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,060 that he's loaning the painting overseas somewhere. 610 00:35:26,579 --> 00:35:30,377 Still gets on the phone to Patricia and says 611 00:35:30,377 --> 00:35:32,447 "You call Ossorio now and you tell him 612 00:35:32,447 --> 00:35:34,107 "order that painting home." 613 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,330 Ossorio wasn't gonna honor Patricia's word, 614 00:35:40,330 --> 00:35:42,380 he felt he had a right to that painting now 615 00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:44,520 and to do it that what he wanted. 616 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,500 Dad came back to New York and on a very gray, 617 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,800 miserable, I think it was in October, 618 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,710 I'm not sure but it was not a pleasant month, 619 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:57,623 they take a taxi to Ossorio's mansion on the bay. 620 00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:02,463 - Knocked on the door and his, 621 00:36:05,567 --> 00:36:07,860 his housekeeper, this fellow opened the door 622 00:36:09,075 --> 00:36:10,340 and dad wanted to see Ossorio. 623 00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:12,177 Well he wasn't there. 624 00:36:12,177 --> 00:36:14,390 He wasn't around, supposedly, 625 00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:16,720 because he could tell dad was angry. 626 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,143 He was on a mission. 627 00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:25,510 - [Sandra] Diane, Patricia, and Still 628 00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:26,760 were going through the ground-floor 629 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,160 looking for the painting, 630 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,283 and according to what I remember written, Diane found it. 631 00:36:33,350 --> 00:36:37,270 He sends them to the vestibule, shuts the door, 632 00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:38,763 pulls out a knife, 633 00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:41,212 - [Diane] And then we heard 634 00:36:41,212 --> 00:36:43,212 this most awful sound of ripping canvas. 635 00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:46,430 - He cut the center out and left a border 636 00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:48,740 of a couple of feet, folds it up, 637 00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:51,333 puts it under his arm and they leave. 638 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,920 So I've got chills right now that I'm seeing 639 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,060 part of that event. 640 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:12,923 I didn't know it was preserved, oh my. 641 00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:29,680 Now the story changed a little bit as the years went on 642 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,320 where Ossorio comes down the steps 643 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,360 because the house boy went up to get him, 644 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,850 and dad said, "I forgot I had the knife in my hand," 645 00:37:37,850 --> 00:37:40,477 and shook it under his face and said, 646 00:37:40,477 --> 00:37:43,137 "When I give you an order about my work you obey me." 647 00:37:44,250 --> 00:37:47,150 - And I think Ossorio was terrified. 648 00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:50,353 He thought he was gonna cut his throat. 649 00:37:54,187 --> 00:37:55,757 And he did refer to it as 650 00:37:55,757 --> 00:37:59,100 "I cut the heart of the painting out of the canvas." 651 00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:14,090 This is my mother when she was early thirties. 652 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:18,890 Yeah, and he said he deliberately cocked her head back 653 00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:20,120 where she looked stubborn, 654 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,770 because she could be very stubborn, 655 00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:24,275 which would drive him crazy. 656 00:38:24,275 --> 00:38:25,108 (gentle music) 657 00:38:25,108 --> 00:38:28,180 My mother was four and dad was six, 658 00:38:28,180 --> 00:38:30,123 would go hand in hand to church. 659 00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:33,510 I think they knew they were meant to be 660 00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:34,803 at least for a while. 661 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,540 - I think my mom Lillian had 662 00:38:39,540 --> 00:38:41,930 different kinds of expectations. 663 00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:45,250 Dad was supposed to be a professor or minister, 664 00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:47,590 and that was her expectation, 665 00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:50,880 to be the wife of a professor or a teacher. 666 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:51,870 She was not happy. 667 00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:54,000 She had to wait for him to come home. 668 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,280 - Honestly, all of Stills teaching appointments 669 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,930 ended poorly, usually with disagreements 670 00:38:58,930 --> 00:39:02,380 over schedules or deans and so forth. 671 00:39:02,380 --> 00:39:05,060 In Richmond in particular Still was incensed 672 00:39:05,060 --> 00:39:08,060 that the Dean said in passing 673 00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:09,810 that Still could paint whatever he wants, 674 00:39:09,810 --> 00:39:11,260 but he should be careful about having 675 00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:14,120 students over to his studio and home. 676 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,830 And the thought of a Dean suggesting that Still 677 00:39:16,830 --> 00:39:20,090 needed to seek approval for painting in any which way 678 00:39:20,090 --> 00:39:22,203 led to his departure from Virginia. 679 00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:27,510 - The concept, or almost inevitability, 680 00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:31,276 of a Patricia coming into dad's life, 681 00:39:31,276 --> 00:39:34,890 was there and potential for that. 682 00:39:34,890 --> 00:39:38,070 She was an artist, she was an art student, 683 00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:40,050 and Lilian was no competition, 684 00:39:40,050 --> 00:39:43,130 not that she wasn't beautiful but she was unhappy. 685 00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:44,750 By the time Patricia came, 686 00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:47,690 she was one of the students who came to the apartment 687 00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:49,760 and, you know, waited on bated breath 688 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,920 for everything he said. 689 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,590 Lilian had to produce the cookies 690 00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:54,900 and she felt nothing but a waitress by then. 691 00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:59,623 - [Diane] Alberta, Canada, he built a house there for us. 692 00:40:00,614 --> 00:40:01,864 It wasn't quite finished. 693 00:40:02,699 --> 00:40:04,749 There was no insulation and we were cold, 694 00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:07,083 and then he left. 695 00:40:08,207 --> 00:40:09,507 I thought, "Oh, that's odd." 696 00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:14,220 - [Sandra] Occasionally he'd take us on a drive 697 00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:16,640 and a picnic and it would be Patricia with us, not mom. 698 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,803 Mom was at work. 699 00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:23,010 Patricia was the one person that believed in him 700 00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:24,260 and stuck with him. 701 00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:25,897 Worked eight hours a day and then stayed up 702 00:40:25,897 --> 00:40:28,220 till 1:00 or 2:00 at night when the 703 00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:30,773 artists in those days were getting together. 704 00:40:32,958 --> 00:40:35,650 - [Man] She was also very devoted to him obviously. 705 00:40:35,650 --> 00:40:37,530 She never referred to him as Clyfford, 706 00:40:37,530 --> 00:40:40,000 and I shouldn't even be calling him Clyfford. 707 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,070 If she were here in this room 708 00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:43,937 she would remind me, "You please call him Mr. Still." 709 00:40:49,623 --> 00:40:51,750 - [Sandra] Patricia was a very good record keeper. 710 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:54,710 She was very methodical and frugal. 711 00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:58,253 She never gave up helping him survive. 712 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,280 - [Announcer] Paris designer Jacques Estrel 713 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,160 unveils his fashions for next summer, 714 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,450 and believe you me, he's way out there. 715 00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:11,620 Yes, he's a great believer in pop art, pop. 716 00:41:11,620 --> 00:41:14,510 And he believes in getting madam out of the kitchen, 717 00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:16,067 utensils and all. 718 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,570 - [David] Pop art is just not on his, 719 00:41:22,570 --> 00:41:24,017 on his horizon at all. 720 00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:28,800 - To him it was an inevitability, 721 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,850 Andy Warhol a cartoonist, a graphic artist. 722 00:41:31,850 --> 00:41:33,400 I think Andy Warhol must have been 723 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,793 the most cynical so-called artist out there. 724 00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:38,183 He played the game! 725 00:41:39,870 --> 00:41:42,170 - [Clyfford] Today the same kind of craftsman, 726 00:41:45,373 --> 00:41:46,873 with probably the same purpose, 727 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,653 and with the same eye on the market, 728 00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:56,060 glorifies the popular taste by placing 729 00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:57,883 in the sanctum of the Art Gallery, 730 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,843 the beer can, the ketchup bottle, 731 00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:08,783 the plaster pie, plastic toilet, 732 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,533 and so as sacred as the term become, 733 00:42:13,419 --> 00:42:18,419 to the the observer or purchaser, gladly accepts. 734 00:42:19,690 --> 00:42:21,740 - By the late 1950s Still, 735 00:42:21,740 --> 00:42:24,310 and I think many of the other Abstract Expressionists, 736 00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:25,910 sense a changing of the guard. 737 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:27,550 A young generation of artists, 738 00:42:27,550 --> 00:42:29,610 and proto pop artists like Jasper Johns, 739 00:42:29,610 --> 00:42:32,600 Robert Rauschenberg, are nipping at their reputations 740 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,680 and making very different work that in some ways 741 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,830 is critiquing the innovations of the abstract expressionist. 742 00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:42,150 - Still pushes away, distances himself 743 00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:46,370 to the outer world after 1961 increasingly, 744 00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:50,400 and I think he sees that distancing 745 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,910 as a kind of route to his own greatness. 746 00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:58,428 He has to create space which he himself can fill 747 00:42:58,428 --> 00:43:00,609 with his later work. 748 00:43:00,609 --> 00:43:03,526 (electronic music) 749 00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:08,113 Stills' late work basically begins in '61. 750 00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:24,600 - [Diane] In the summer of 1961, 751 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,730 on my birthday, by the way, we got, 752 00:43:26,730 --> 00:43:30,150 dad, Patty, and I got in the car and started heading south 753 00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:31,810 because he remembered the lushness 754 00:43:31,810 --> 00:43:33,533 of the land in Virginia. 755 00:43:48,041 --> 00:43:50,600 The lushness that that land was just, ah. 756 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,313 You can breathe, you can throw seeds and they'd grow. 757 00:43:56,222 --> 00:43:59,330 (gentle music) 758 00:43:59,330 --> 00:44:01,400 They looked at a couple of places 759 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,020 and then found an overgrown 22 to 24 acre farm 760 00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:08,603 that a man had raised a family on and sent to college. 761 00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:14,540 They bought it for about $24,000, about $1,000 an acre, 762 00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:16,883 and that was a lot of money in those days. 763 00:44:20,170 --> 00:44:23,390 - [Man] I think he was searching for a quiet place 764 00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:28,310 where he didn't have these extraneous noises bothering him 765 00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:30,743 and where he could concentrate and work. 766 00:44:37,410 --> 00:44:40,080 Still makes about 375 paintings 767 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,840 during the last 20 years of his life, 768 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,480 more than he had made in the previous 40 years, 769 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,143 with a certain kind of emptying out of forms. 770 00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:58,570 - The issue is, whatever way a serious, 771 00:44:58,570 --> 00:45:00,540 good artist, like Still was, 772 00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:02,250 you clear the noise. 773 00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:05,210 So find the way. Are you going to choose 774 00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:06,120 Clyfford Stills' way, 775 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,110 are you gonna choose Agnes Martin's way of withdrawal? 776 00:45:09,110 --> 00:45:13,090 I mean whatever it is that's the discipline 777 00:45:13,090 --> 00:45:14,240 to be good at anything. 778 00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:26,950 - He was just our dad but he wasn't there all that much. 779 00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:29,933 He made it very clear, very clear, 780 00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:32,980 and he bragged about it once when he said 781 00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:34,437 he leaned over my crib and said, 782 00:45:34,437 --> 00:45:36,987 "I love you babe, but you don't come first." 783 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,460 - I was five years old, we were in Richmond, Virginia, 784 00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:49,043 and I remember sitting in a big leather chair. 785 00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:52,940 I have white knuckles I think you'll notice in the picture. 786 00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:56,640 And he would give me breaks, 787 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,253 but I was scared to death, 788 00:45:59,230 --> 00:46:01,893 sitting there and watching him, watching me. 789 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:06,493 To suddenly be center of his attention was humongous. 790 00:46:08,121 --> 00:46:10,538 (jazz music) 791 00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:19,690 - [Sandra] And when he reentered our life, 792 00:46:19,690 --> 00:46:23,750 always as a surprise, you know, dad's here! 793 00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:27,270 Life has returned, not to survival, 794 00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:28,760 but something extraordinary. 795 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,800 He had energy, he showed us how to play baseball 796 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,663 which was his favorite sport. 797 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,163 - [Diane] He taught me to throw a ball like a man, 798 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,650 and I just, I loved doing that. 799 00:46:48,580 --> 00:46:52,640 - Still felt that the painter, the artist, 800 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,020 was like a baseball pitcher. 801 00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:57,650 That everything on the field was quiet, 802 00:46:57,650 --> 00:47:00,850 everything was still as, not a play on words, 803 00:47:00,850 --> 00:47:05,099 everything was calm and then when the the pitcher 804 00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:09,623 let the ball loose, everything began moving around. 805 00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:12,993 - [Announcer] Here's Joe Black in the 6th. 806 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:19,010 Boom, Neville belts it over the fence in right field. 807 00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:23,210 - Another artist once told me that baseball 808 00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:24,270 is an intellectual game. 809 00:47:24,270 --> 00:47:27,864 It's just not a bunch of guys running out on the field 810 00:47:27,864 --> 00:47:31,510 and hitting baseballs and throwing a ball around. 811 00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:34,680 There are endless possibilities of things 812 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,460 that can happen during a game. 813 00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:38,110 - [Announcer] Again the bases are loaded. 814 00:47:38,110 --> 00:47:42,113 Maybe this time, maybe Jackie Robinson can be the hero. 815 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,780 - Clyfford and I talked about that all the time, 816 00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:48,750 and he knew everything. 817 00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:51,740 He knew the statistics, he knew the players, 818 00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:54,490 he asked all the right questions, 819 00:47:54,490 --> 00:47:57,943 and I was overwhelmed that the knowledge that he had. 820 00:47:58,991 --> 00:48:00,757 - [Announcer] Their 4th World Series in a row-- 821 00:48:00,757 --> 00:48:03,070 - [David] So loved baseball, 822 00:48:03,070 --> 00:48:04,700 and he saw baseball I think 823 00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:07,190 as a kind of human geometry, 824 00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:09,387 and there's that famous time he says, 825 00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:12,410 "Well look at the spaces between the players." 826 00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:15,480 And that's, that's fascination with how 827 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,680 the human presence interacts with the space around it. 828 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,530 That's very central to Stills' art too, from day one. 829 00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:25,470 - I never talked to Clyfford about one day 830 00:48:25,470 --> 00:48:27,379 owning a baseball team. 831 00:48:27,379 --> 00:48:29,262 (radio commentary) 832 00:48:29,262 --> 00:48:31,845 (crowd cheers) 833 00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:35,283 - [Commentator] The St. Louis crowd 834 00:48:35,283 --> 00:48:37,170 has visions of force faith, as Yankee Joe Pepitone 835 00:48:37,170 --> 00:48:39,363 flies out for the final hour. 836 00:48:42,195 --> 00:48:43,460 - The first memory that comes to mind 837 00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:45,950 about people coming in trying to buy paintings 838 00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:49,220 directly from Clyfford Still, since he had no dealer, 839 00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:52,623 was a man that Frederick Wiseman introduced to Clyfford. 840 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:55,417 The dealing and wheeling went on, 841 00:48:55,417 --> 00:48:57,610 "Oh, come down $10,000." 842 00:48:57,610 --> 00:48:59,430 You know, these are wealthy people 843 00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:02,607 and this particular person decided, 844 00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:05,517 "Well if I send him four pineapples, 845 00:49:05,517 --> 00:49:07,367 "from like a Harry and David's thing, 846 00:49:07,367 --> 00:49:09,287 "he'll come down in price." 847 00:49:10,982 --> 00:49:13,840 (Hawaiian guitar music) 848 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,940 Well Patty tested one of the pineapples 849 00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:17,303 and she got sick from it. 850 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,860 Dad took the other three and had target practice 851 00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:24,253 with the .22 rifle. 852 00:49:26,110 --> 00:49:28,060 Clearly the man did not get a painting. 853 00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:35,290 - I probably thought about it for a while 854 00:49:35,290 --> 00:49:37,670 and probably wrote several drafts of that letter 855 00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:40,220 because I didn't want him to say no. 856 00:49:40,220 --> 00:49:42,097 And I got a response. 857 00:49:42,097 --> 00:49:45,587 "Mr. Still has asked me to thank you for your letter, 858 00:49:45,587 --> 00:49:47,387 "but to inform you that he has no pictures 859 00:49:47,387 --> 00:49:51,937 "for sale, lease, or loan to anyone at this time. 860 00:49:51,937 --> 00:49:53,547 "Sincerely, Mrs. Still." 861 00:49:57,700 --> 00:50:00,110 One of the things that I was probably taught early on 862 00:50:00,110 --> 00:50:03,800 is that "No is a temporary impediment on the way to yes," 863 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,773 so I proceeded. 864 00:50:07,024 --> 00:50:09,100 (orchestral music) 865 00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:11,453 I think we met in Baltimore for lunch. 866 00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:15,790 I remember talking about my interests, 867 00:50:15,790 --> 00:50:16,930 and him talking about his interests. 868 00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:20,500 His interest was talking about his colleagues, 869 00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,463 painters that he wasn't so fond of. 870 00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:30,000 In the end he had the right to speak that way 871 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,513 because he was a giant. 872 00:50:33,350 --> 00:50:35,070 I wrote another note to him and asked 873 00:50:35,070 --> 00:50:36,640 if he was ready to see me and talk 874 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,430 about maybe parting with some pictures 875 00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:41,023 and he said yes. 876 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,450 Well he didn't trust very many people. 877 00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:46,900 He also didn't love a lot of people. 878 00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:50,660 He was he was very closely knit with his family, 879 00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:54,437 and a few friends, and I guess 880 00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:58,543 I was one of them fortunately. 881 00:51:06,670 --> 00:51:10,980 - In 1964 Clyfford Still decided it was 882 00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:14,200 time to find a home for the paintings. 883 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,590 - One of the capstones for Still in the 1950s 884 00:51:16,590 --> 00:51:18,840 was a one-person exhibition at the Albright-Knox 885 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,603 Art Gallery in Buffalo in 1959. 886 00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:25,400 (staccato music) 887 00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:39,360 - He approached Seymour Knox, 888 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,860 head of the board of the Albright-Knox Art Gallery 889 00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:45,810 about whether they would accept a group of paintings 890 00:51:45,810 --> 00:51:49,683 to be kept in perpetuity at their museum. 891 00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:53,930 It was a kind of grand scheme. 892 00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:56,180 - One important consideration of that gift 893 00:51:56,180 --> 00:51:58,180 was that the paintings could never travel 894 00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:00,330 and that they must be seen in their own room 895 00:52:00,330 --> 00:52:02,360 and not mixed with other artists. 896 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,820 - As a museum director I find that to be a bit unfortunate. 897 00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:11,370 I understand it, but in terms of educating the public 898 00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:12,620 and I'm sure he didn't give a damn 899 00:52:12,620 --> 00:52:14,850 about educating the public, 900 00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:17,030 but in in terms of that 901 00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:19,130 that's one of the things museums feel that 902 00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:20,640 they are there to do, 903 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,560 because people have a lot of difficulty, let's face it, 904 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,830 with even something as old as abstraction is. 905 00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:32,250 - When an artist wants their work to be seen en masse, 906 00:52:32,250 --> 00:52:36,280 in its own space, altogether, I get that. 907 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,250 It isn't a grandiose wish at all. 908 00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:41,210 Artists are control freaks, 909 00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:45,810 they get an idea, moves from one work to another, 910 00:52:45,810 --> 00:52:49,030 I have nothing against them wanting 911 00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:52,360 the work to remain together. 912 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,840 Time however treats art different 913 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,373 than the artists wishes, and I trust time. 914 00:53:01,310 --> 00:53:03,360 - When I think about Still I think about my first show 915 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,270 at the Albright-Knox Museum and seeing 916 00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:07,010 the paintings that they have installed there, 917 00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:09,623 and then really rethinking who Clyfford Still was. 918 00:53:11,629 --> 00:53:12,820 What Clyfford Still was interested in 919 00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:16,430 was this slow time-based experience with painting. 920 00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:19,593 That slowed down kind of experience that goes past life. 921 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,000 To make sense of that, it was like, incredible, 922 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,600 and that was at the Albright-Knox. 923 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,570 - You have those moments, 924 00:53:29,570 --> 00:53:33,653 where you remember how art hit you. 925 00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:39,460 It was second week of December in 1979. 926 00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:46,460 I was home from my freshman year of college, 927 00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:47,623 my mom had moved to Buffalo. 928 00:53:47,623 --> 00:53:48,456 (gentle music) 929 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,716 They had just had sixty inches of snow, 930 00:53:52,716 --> 00:53:54,430 which turns out it's not unusual, 931 00:53:54,430 --> 00:53:57,150 dumps from the lake and there it is, 932 00:53:57,150 --> 00:53:59,470 and I was wandering around 'cause I couldn't stay 933 00:53:59,470 --> 00:54:01,653 in her new little house and got out, 934 00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:07,033 and I show up at the Albright-Knox Museum. 935 00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:13,530 I didn't even know the history of how 936 00:54:13,530 --> 00:54:15,790 those cities like Buffalo and Cleveland and things 937 00:54:15,790 --> 00:54:17,730 have gotten quite wealthy and 938 00:54:17,730 --> 00:54:19,803 there have been all these expositions. 939 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:29,240 So I walk in, and it's this extraordinary collection of 940 00:54:30,450 --> 00:54:32,230 American abstraction and 941 00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:35,973 American muscular spiritual modernism. 942 00:54:40,090 --> 00:54:42,930 So here's the weird thing that happened. 943 00:54:42,930 --> 00:54:44,113 The power went off. 944 00:54:48,539 --> 00:54:51,134 (piano music) 945 00:54:51,134 --> 00:54:54,250 But I remembered this thing that I'd read about Still, 946 00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:56,493 where he says exactly that. 947 00:54:57,420 --> 00:55:01,730 Turn off the lights, the paintings have their own fire. 948 00:55:01,730 --> 00:55:04,270 You think, "Oh, come on" but, 949 00:55:04,270 --> 00:55:06,730 it's there and I felt that as a kid that day, 950 00:55:06,730 --> 00:55:08,530 and I'll never never forget the day. 951 00:55:17,620 --> 00:55:20,730 I don't know how many other times I've been 952 00:55:20,730 --> 00:55:22,863 with paintings in that way. 953 00:55:30,543 --> 00:55:33,160 - It had been my hope that I would end up with 954 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,303 in the four corners of the old San Francisco 955 00:55:36,303 --> 00:55:41,303 Museum of Art building, a room devoted to Mark Rothko, 956 00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:44,940 a room that devoted to Clyfford Still, 957 00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:46,930 a room for Robert Motherwell, 958 00:55:46,930 --> 00:55:49,270 and a room for Richard Diebenkorn. 959 00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:53,570 The four corners would have made it a wonderful 960 00:55:53,570 --> 00:55:56,150 and I think exciting balance. 961 00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:58,530 That didn't, didn't work out for me, 962 00:55:58,530 --> 00:56:01,060 but it did work out for Henry Hopkins. 963 00:56:01,060 --> 00:56:03,070 - The museum already had a couple of his paintings, 964 00:56:03,070 --> 00:56:05,733 a big, big abstract painting from, 965 00:56:06,885 --> 00:56:10,880 that was a gift of the Anderson family in in Palo Alto, 966 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,430 and then this marvelous painting that Peggy Guggenheim 967 00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:14,750 had given to the museum. 968 00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:16,640 A 1944 picture which was the picture 969 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,230 that inspired my background, 970 00:56:19,230 --> 00:56:21,930 my initiation into Modern Art, 971 00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:24,680 and I think when on a visit to San Francisco 972 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,680 in the 70, early 70s, 973 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,090 he really respected and admired 974 00:56:29,090 --> 00:56:30,970 the way his work was being shown, 975 00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:32,810 and I think that inspired him to develop 976 00:56:32,810 --> 00:56:36,230 a closer relationship with the museum and with Hopkins, 977 00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:37,620 and that eventually 978 00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:40,230 resulted in the gift that we did receive. 979 00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:42,016 - So he talked to me about giving 980 00:56:42,016 --> 00:56:46,130 three paintings to the museum which of course excited me, 981 00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:48,360 and over the next year and a half as we talked, 982 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,420 and we talked every time we would talk. 983 00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:52,500 he would add three more, like well, 984 00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:53,810 maybe six would be better, 985 00:56:53,810 --> 00:56:55,910 well maybe we could tell the story with eight, 986 00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:58,007 well we can't really tell the story with eight 987 00:56:58,007 --> 00:56:59,510 it probably would take nine or ten 988 00:56:59,510 --> 00:57:01,420 to really tell the whole spectrum, 989 00:57:01,420 --> 00:57:04,570 and of course, but we ended up with an outright gift 990 00:57:04,570 --> 00:57:07,260 of twenty-eight Clyfford Still paintings, 991 00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:11,170 of which this big red one is one of the prime examples, 992 00:57:11,170 --> 00:57:13,910 though there are actually many in the collection. 993 00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:16,470 He gave a group to the Albright-Knox Museum. 994 00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:17,810 He gave this group to us, 995 00:57:17,810 --> 00:57:20,170 he gave a group to the Metropolitan Museum. 996 00:57:20,170 --> 00:57:24,070 - I think that's juncture where Still starts to 997 00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:28,440 look back on his career and turn it into 998 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,660 one great Odyssey, one great venture. 999 00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:35,290 - It was about the right people will come. 1000 00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:36,420 (orchestral music) 1001 00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:39,410 They will come, as he did, 1002 00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:41,670 all the way from Canada to New York. 1003 00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:44,960 On his 21st birthday he was at the front door 1004 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,740 of the Metropolitan Museum of Art 1005 00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:48,760 waiting for the doors to open because 1006 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,803 he was finally going to see the originals not reproductions. 1007 00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:55,320 - [Clyfford] Nothing was finally decided. 1008 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,690 However, they saw, and I don't think I've ever had 1009 00:57:58,690 --> 00:58:00,393 two more receptive guys. 1010 00:58:01,602 --> 00:58:05,240 The problem is do I want the entire gallery or just a floor? 1011 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,460 - That's better, oh! - So we'll settle 1012 00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:10,140 for one floor when the time comes up, 1013 00:58:10,140 --> 00:58:12,010 now you'll try to keep it as quiet as you can 1014 00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:12,960 for a little while. 1015 00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:15,095 - [Woman] Yeah, I'll just yell about 1016 00:58:15,095 --> 00:58:16,610 in the apartment. (laughs) - All right. 1017 00:58:16,610 --> 00:58:19,440 - He's not having a grand retrospective of MoMA 1018 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,082 or the Whitney, it's the Met, 1019 00:58:22,082 --> 00:58:24,060 and that is the Met's about the old masters 1020 00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:26,210 and Still is very consciously 1021 00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:29,370 positioning himself in that perspective. 1022 00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:31,170 - [Announcer] The Metropolitan Museum of Art 1023 00:58:31,170 --> 00:58:32,470 perhaps the greatest center 1024 00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:34,650 of classical art and learning in America, 1025 00:58:34,650 --> 00:58:37,815 exerts an influence that is worldwide. 1026 00:58:37,815 --> 00:58:40,315 (cello music) 1027 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,070 - [Man] For better or worse Still chose all the works 1028 00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:46,950 from his own collection and he weighted heavily 1029 00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:48,823 his work of his last 20 years. 1030 00:59:00,443 --> 00:59:03,226 - [David] I went there December of 1977 1031 00:59:03,226 --> 00:59:06,127 and oddly enough suddenly there was Clyfford Still 1032 00:59:06,127 --> 00:59:11,127 and his wife and well I was scared to death. 1033 00:59:12,330 --> 00:59:13,967 (piano music) 1034 00:59:13,967 --> 00:59:17,247 I went up to him and I said I thought 1035 00:59:17,247 --> 00:59:20,970 he was a great, great artist and I was overwhelmed 1036 00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:25,970 by the work and I think he was okay, 1037 00:59:27,090 --> 00:59:27,923 if you know what I mean? 1038 00:59:27,923 --> 00:59:28,973 He didn't say a lot. 1039 00:59:31,690 --> 00:59:34,147 I think he appreciated someone appreciating him. 1040 00:59:36,824 --> 00:59:38,428 - [Clyfford] I had some excellent response 1041 00:59:38,428 --> 00:59:42,300 from this exhibition, but some in fact, 1042 00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:45,950 almost surprising, Lee Krasner, Pollock's wife, 1043 00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:48,870 told Mr. Montebello and insisted 1044 00:59:49,935 --> 00:59:51,710 he'd be sure to tell me that 1045 00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:53,610 this is the greatest experience in art 1046 00:59:53,610 --> 00:59:55,870 she'd ever had in her life. - Wow. 1047 00:59:55,870 --> 00:59:58,885 It's quite, it's quite a tribute to me. - I understand. 1048 00:59:58,885 --> 01:00:00,600 (futuristic music) 1049 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,200 - Of course I remember that day. 1050 01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,350 Yes, that's Molly Brewer, 1051 01:00:05,350 --> 01:00:07,150 I haven't talked to her in 40 years. 1052 01:00:08,490 --> 01:00:10,480 Anyway, yeah, she was a student 1053 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,503 of Clyfford Stills in San Francisco, 1054 01:00:13,380 --> 01:00:15,190 and I rented the front of my studio 1055 01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:18,253 to her on 20th Street. 1056 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,250 She said "Clyfford Still's coming over today." 1057 01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:25,240 I said "Really?" 1058 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,057 Said "Okay, yeah, and I, I'll go get some pizza." 1059 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,193 Which I did. 1060 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,213 I remember what paintings of mine were in my studio also. 1061 01:00:37,398 --> 01:00:38,917 There was a painting called 1062 01:00:38,917 --> 01:00:40,857 "Giacomo Expelled from the Temple." 1063 01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:45,610 I thought he'd like that painting 1064 01:00:45,610 --> 01:00:48,220 because it had a, I made it with joint compound 1065 01:00:48,220 --> 01:00:51,310 and rope flex which was sort of a plaster, 1066 01:00:51,310 --> 01:00:53,200 and I used a palette knife on it quite a bit, 1067 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,083 so I definitely related to his paintings. 1068 01:01:00,515 --> 01:01:02,667 - [Clyfford] Oh, that's a pretty unusual little bit. 1069 01:01:02,667 --> 01:01:05,550 Obviously he read the catalog pretty thoroughly. 1070 01:01:05,550 --> 01:01:06,780 - Oh, that's great. - Yes. 1071 01:01:07,654 --> 01:01:08,894 - Good. - I'd say the kid 1072 01:01:08,894 --> 01:01:12,815 was 25 to 30 years of age, he was maybe 25. 1073 01:01:12,815 --> 01:01:17,398 Nice, young, Polish, name of Schnabel, Julian Schnabel. 1074 01:01:19,793 --> 01:01:22,479 Looked more Italian, round face, smooth voice, 1075 01:01:22,479 --> 01:01:24,411 full of enthusiasm. 1076 01:01:24,411 --> 01:01:26,554 Very rugged pictures, images, pictures. 1077 01:01:26,554 --> 01:01:28,005 Taking the work seriously. 1078 01:01:28,005 --> 01:01:29,188 I had to admit, the guy has roots that 1079 01:01:29,188 --> 01:01:30,616 might develop into something. 1080 01:01:30,616 --> 01:01:32,896 Originality for himself. 1081 01:01:32,896 --> 01:01:36,600 Brings much of my whole attitude about it. 1082 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,130 - [Man] By 1977, it's pretty obvious 1083 01:01:39,130 --> 01:01:40,940 that Still's getting sick. 1084 01:01:40,940 --> 01:01:43,620 He doesn't do much about it, doesn't see a doctor, 1085 01:01:43,620 --> 01:01:47,650 and by the time the exhibition at the Met opens in 1979, 1086 01:01:47,650 --> 01:01:50,433 he's essentially dying of colon cancer. 1087 01:01:51,606 --> 01:01:54,523 (discordant piano) 1088 01:01:58,380 --> 01:02:00,500 - [Woman] There's a series of about 40 pastels 1089 01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,670 on construction paper about six months 1090 01:02:02,670 --> 01:02:03,973 before he passed away. 1091 01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:13,600 He could feel something coming 1092 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,123 but he really wanted to get some last ideas down. 1093 01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:36,163 The last pastel in this series, 1094 01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:40,400 you can really just see that life force 1095 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,550 that's so prominent in his work 1096 01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:45,303 just trail off the edge of the page. 1097 01:03:05,250 --> 01:03:08,373 - [Sandra] Last will and testament, paragraph fourth. 1098 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,020 I give and bequeath all the remaining works of art 1099 01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:17,260 executed by me and my collection to an American city 1100 01:03:17,260 --> 01:03:21,300 that will agree to build or assign and maintain 1101 01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:25,670 permanent quarters exclusively for these works of art. 1102 01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:28,500 - For their exhibition study and survival, 1103 01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:31,720 and it was really a 20-year quest 1104 01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,140 to identify an American city who would agree to those terms. 1105 01:03:35,140 --> 01:03:37,100 - If you note, it said permanent quarters, 1106 01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:39,420 that did not say I want a free-standing building 1107 01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:41,690 all my own, that came from Patricia. 1108 01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:45,030 Still understood that many of them 1109 01:03:45,030 --> 01:03:47,180 might end up in a basement in storage 1110 01:03:47,180 --> 01:03:50,290 and they might be shown once every five or ten years. 1111 01:03:50,290 --> 01:03:51,743 He understood that. 1112 01:03:53,350 --> 01:03:57,160 He did not want it distributed one here, one there. 1113 01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,263 This is a symphony, or an opera, 1114 01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:05,660 with some masterpieces called arias if you will, 1115 01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:07,390 or movements. 1116 01:04:07,390 --> 01:04:08,940 He saw it as a totality, 1117 01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:11,740 that is why there's so many reproductions. 1118 01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:13,200 He would sell or give a painting 1119 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,810 and say "I wish I hadn't done that." 1120 01:04:14,810 --> 01:04:16,810 - It was a huge estate, 1121 01:04:16,810 --> 01:04:19,320 nobody had seen it, nobody really knew 1122 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,848 exactly what was in it 1123 01:04:20,848 --> 01:04:22,420 apart from when it was appraised. 1124 01:04:22,420 --> 01:04:27,350 And so, you know, Still in John Goulding's words 1125 01:04:27,350 --> 01:04:29,787 as lately as 2000 he wrote that 1126 01:04:29,787 --> 01:04:32,403 "Still remains a great unknown," 1127 01:04:32,403 --> 01:04:34,189 and it's absolutely true. 1128 01:04:34,189 --> 01:04:36,413 ("Vissi d'arte" from Tosca by Puccini) 1129 01:04:36,413 --> 01:04:41,413 ♪ Vissi d'arte, ♪ 1130 01:04:43,576 --> 01:04:48,576 ♪ vissi d'amore, ♪ 1131 01:04:53,571 --> 01:04:58,571 ♪ non feci mai male ♪ 1132 01:05:00,196 --> 01:05:05,196 ♪ ad anima viva ♪ 1133 01:05:09,352 --> 01:05:14,352 ♪ Con man furtiva ♪ 1134 01:05:18,056 --> 01:05:20,806 ♪ Quante miserie ♪ 1135 01:05:23,682 --> 01:05:26,928 ♪ conobbi aiutai. ♪ - After 1980 it became clear 1136 01:05:26,928 --> 01:05:30,920 that my aunt Pat's fundamental mission 1137 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,160 was to find a city that would accept 1138 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,333 the Clyfford Still paintings in the terms of his will. 1139 01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:42,400 Now there was I think some tension in that, 1140 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:47,400 because she very much liked controlling all of this art. 1141 01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:49,590 - As devoted as Patricia Still was 1142 01:05:49,590 --> 01:05:50,970 to her husband's art and life, 1143 01:05:50,970 --> 01:05:53,930 she actually did considerable damage to his legacy. 1144 01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:55,460 After his death in 1980 1145 01:05:55,460 --> 01:05:58,460 she refused reproduction rights to almost everybody. 1146 01:05:58,460 --> 01:06:00,740 She wouldn't let anybody see the art 1147 01:06:00,740 --> 01:06:03,890 and I think that was a terrible injustice to 1148 01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:05,300 people of my generation, 1149 01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:07,279 who were trying to understand Clyfford Still 1150 01:06:07,279 --> 01:06:09,583 through 5% of the work in the world. 1151 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,610 - After talking to my aunt for quite some time, 1152 01:06:13,610 --> 01:06:15,760 I managed to persuade her 1153 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,450 that Denver could be a good place for the museum, 1154 01:06:19,450 --> 01:06:20,970 and she sent me a letter 1155 01:06:20,970 --> 01:06:24,366 giving me permission to go to Denver. 1156 01:06:24,366 --> 01:06:26,320 (discordant piano) 1157 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:30,450 And it says, "I was just thinking, what about Denver?" 1158 01:06:30,450 --> 01:06:33,120 Well it was hard getting those words out of her 1159 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,360 but I got that letter and then 1160 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,683 called the Denver Art Museum. 1161 01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:41,580 - I'd been in office maybe, I don't know, 1162 01:06:41,580 --> 01:06:43,970 a hundred days, and Lewis Sharp from the art museum 1163 01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:46,727 called me and said you know, "There's this woman 1164 01:06:46,727 --> 01:06:50,877 "who is the sole controller of one of the most incredible 1165 01:06:50,877 --> 01:06:53,297 "collections of art in the history of the world, 1166 01:06:53,297 --> 01:06:55,207 "and no one's really gone 1167 01:06:55,207 --> 01:06:57,707 "and even pitched her in several years." 1168 01:07:00,529 --> 01:07:01,690 I was gonna be in DC anyway, 1169 01:07:01,690 --> 01:07:02,820 it was gonna be you know, 1170 01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:04,820 about an hour and a half drive each way. 1171 01:07:07,350 --> 01:07:09,600 You know, it was gonna take five hours out of my day, 1172 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,640 that's not a lot of risk for something that could 1173 01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,560 really create another star 1174 01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,750 in the cultural firmament of Colorado, 1175 01:07:16,750 --> 01:07:18,680 and another reason for people that love art 1176 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,233 to come visit Colorado. 1177 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,870 Of course, when Lewis Sharp first presented the idea, 1178 01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:29,870 I had no idea that 25, 26 other communities had 1179 01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:32,700 attempted and failed at persuading Mrs Still 1180 01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:35,763 that that their city was the place. 1181 01:07:36,860 --> 01:07:38,900 We walked into the farmhouse, 1182 01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:41,463 and it was almost devoid of furniture. 1183 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,000 One easy-chair in the living room, 1184 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,810 but basically pretty barren 1185 01:07:48,810 --> 01:07:50,843 in terms of any kind of furnishings. 1186 01:07:52,076 --> 01:07:54,993 (discordant music) 1187 01:07:56,570 --> 01:07:59,130 Except for, in every room, there were 1188 01:07:59,130 --> 01:08:00,310 painting after painting, they are 1189 01:08:00,310 --> 01:08:01,970 rolled in these long rolls. 1190 01:08:01,970 --> 01:08:05,010 Some of them were in tubes, many of them were not in tubes, 1191 01:08:05,010 --> 01:08:06,853 just kind of piled into the corner. 1192 01:08:10,770 --> 01:08:14,077 I couldn't help but having my mind run away with 1193 01:08:14,077 --> 01:08:17,797 "God, what's in all those rolled up canvases?" 1194 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,330 And Clyfford Stills' widow was intensely loyal 1195 01:08:25,330 --> 01:08:26,330 to her late husband. 1196 01:08:26,330 --> 01:08:29,300 I mean she had foam-core models 1197 01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:30,950 of what a museum might look like. 1198 01:08:53,696 --> 01:08:56,640 And I grew up in a family with a lot of great aunts 1199 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,370 and you know, elderly men and women, 1200 01:08:59,370 --> 01:09:00,353 and I've always been very good, 1201 01:09:00,353 --> 01:09:01,930 I was trained to be very respectful 1202 01:09:01,930 --> 01:09:03,899 and to listen very carefully 1203 01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:06,550 when when one of your elders speaks to you, 1204 01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:08,952 and I think that Mrs Still responded to that. 1205 01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:12,790 - [News Reader] 2,000 works by Clyfford Still 1206 01:09:12,790 --> 01:09:14,859 have been in storage since he died. 1207 01:09:14,859 --> 01:09:17,470 His will was specific about where they would go. 1208 01:09:17,470 --> 01:09:19,760 - To an American city that would both 1209 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,760 create and maintain a museum 1210 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,140 devoted exclusively to his artworks. 1211 01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:25,430 - [News Reader] Now Denver is that city. 1212 01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:28,120 After long negotiations with Stills' widow, 1213 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,620 the collection will come here. 1214 01:09:33,229 --> 01:09:35,050 - It's very interesting when we got the letter, 1215 01:09:35,050 --> 01:09:38,399 I think it was a letter, asking if we were interested. 1216 01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:40,529 I mean I almost had to laugh, 1217 01:09:40,529 --> 01:09:43,712 because I had known his work since my Columbia days. 1218 01:09:44,690 --> 01:09:47,993 It's almost like we were just waiting to be asked. 1219 01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:54,309 There's something terrifying about this landscape, 1220 01:09:54,309 --> 01:09:57,110 when you take away the kind of mythos of the mountains 1221 01:09:57,110 --> 01:10:00,280 and look east, the scalelessness of it, 1222 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,390 the vastness of it, right, you know. 1223 01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:05,620 A way of kind of holding yourself in that world, 1224 01:10:05,620 --> 01:10:07,570 you know holding, the building in this case, 1225 01:10:07,570 --> 01:10:11,390 in that world, holding those paintings in this world, 1226 01:10:11,390 --> 01:10:12,559 and in some way, his paintings 1227 01:10:12,559 --> 01:10:14,430 were trying to do the same thing. 1228 01:10:14,430 --> 01:10:16,393 Hold us all in the world in some way. 1229 01:10:17,471 --> 01:10:19,971 (cello music) 1230 01:10:45,374 --> 01:10:47,612 - [Diane] We had just arrived in New York 1231 01:10:47,612 --> 01:10:48,812 when I was a little kid. 1232 01:10:51,143 --> 01:10:52,243 We've taken the train. 1233 01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:57,903 And I had developed a very bad ear ache. 1234 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,333 So I was asleep in the living room. 1235 01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:05,040 In the middle of the night I woke up 1236 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,452 and there's my dad, in the kitchen, painting. 1237 01:11:11,382 --> 01:11:13,477 And that stuck with me so strongly that, 1238 01:11:13,477 --> 01:11:15,167 "He's doing something important." 1239 01:11:18,547 --> 01:11:19,747 And I was six years old. 1240 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:29,850 - [Sandra] One of my worst moments 1241 01:11:29,850 --> 01:11:32,990 was about 18 months before he passed. 1242 01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:34,600 I woke up in the middle of the night 1243 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,663 and he was just restless and unhappy. 1244 01:11:38,660 --> 01:11:40,906 I finally went over and sat beside him, 1245 01:11:40,906 --> 01:11:42,160 he was sitting on the edge of the bed, 1246 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:46,853 and he's just, "Why am I doing this? 1247 01:11:47,807 --> 01:11:49,767 "No-one's understanding this. 1248 01:11:49,767 --> 01:11:51,867 "I should just go home and burn them all." 1249 01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:57,297 He needed to know that someone believed in him. 1250 01:11:58,443 --> 01:12:00,943 (cello music) 1251 01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:35,233 I learned not to have expectations any kind from him. 1252 01:12:39,921 --> 01:12:40,920 - [Diane] Yeah, I thought it was a mistake 1253 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,483 when he left us each two paintings, two abstracts. 1254 01:12:46,330 --> 01:12:48,280 I didn't think he'd trust us with them. 1255 01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:54,673 Totally changed my life. 1256 01:12:56,309 --> 01:12:57,783 It freed me, yeah. 1257 01:13:00,070 --> 01:13:04,110 Freed me, it's gonna free my children someday, 1258 01:13:04,110 --> 01:13:05,890 so thank you Dad. 1259 01:13:11,124 --> 01:13:13,707 (gentle music) 1260 01:13:45,915 --> 01:13:46,748 - [Clyfford] Although several large 1261 01:13:46,748 --> 01:13:49,970 and significant areas of the work cannot be exhibited, 1262 01:13:49,970 --> 01:13:51,720 I believe what will be shown 1263 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,800 will justify the interest and effort 1264 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,720 you have so courageously given. 1265 01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,783 Sincerely, Clyfford Still. 1266 01:14:36,635 --> 01:14:40,302 ("London Now" by Earl Okin) 1267 01:14:54,147 --> 01:14:58,313 ♪ I long to be ♪ 1268 01:14:58,313 --> 01:15:03,153 ♪ In London now ♪ 1269 01:15:03,153 --> 01:15:06,327 ♪ In London now ♪ 1270 01:15:06,327 --> 01:15:11,327 ♪ The autumn's hanging in the breeze ♪ 1271 01:15:13,564 --> 01:15:17,850 ♪ I long to hear ♪ 1272 01:15:17,850 --> 01:15:22,850 ♪ On every bough ♪ 1273 01:15:22,936 --> 01:15:25,913 ♪ Starlings and sparrows ♪ 1274 01:15:25,913 --> 01:15:30,913 ♪ Sharing gossip and the trees ♪ 1275 01:15:32,100 --> 01:15:34,657 ♪ The riverside ♪ 1276 01:15:34,657 --> 01:15:37,057 ♪ At eventide ♪ 1277 01:15:37,057 --> 01:15:41,743 ♪ Will glow when day's done ♪ 1278 01:15:41,743 --> 01:15:44,269 ♪ The stars appear ♪ 1279 01:15:44,269 --> 01:15:46,758 ♪ The air is clear ♪ 1280 01:15:46,758 --> 01:15:48,637 ♪ Believe it ♪ 1281 01:15:48,637 --> 01:15:53,533 ♪ That fog's long gone from London ♪ 1282 01:15:53,533 --> 01:15:58,533 ♪ So I wish somehow ♪ 1283 01:16:00,872 --> 01:16:04,039 ♪ To be in London now ♪ 1284 01:16:27,351 --> 01:16:29,851 (piano music) 94523

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