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Is it hard trying to live up
to this image that people have
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of Mick Jagger?
No, because I don't try to.
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But your own image,
Mick Jagger's image?
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I don't believe in images.
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It's only press and media that like
to have images because it's useful
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to put people into categories.
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Well, how do you see yourself, then?
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Oh, that's the most difficult thing
of all.
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I mean, that's what it takes
your whole life to find out.
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This programme contains
some strong language
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What most documentaries do
is just repeat the same thing
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over and over that you've heard,
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all the mythologies repeated
until it becomes true.
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People want to put things in boxes,
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and then it all becomes
this sort of cliche box.
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And then the easiest thing
is just to keep repeating that.
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So I guess we'll try,
when we're chatting,
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to expand those boxes.
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I think people
probably like that idea.
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CHEERING
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The Rolling Stones are the ultimate
rock and roll band.
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It was just magic.
They created this magic,
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and they've been doing it
for how long now?
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A product of their times,
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they've helped to define ours.
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They have a chemistry together,
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a creative inspiration
that is magic.
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And Mick Jagger has been out front
for 60 years.
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And he will sing and dance for us
to illustrate his early moves.
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They look like Rolling Stones,
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they act like Rolling Stones,
and they sound like Rolling Stones.
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They set the benchmark for what
a rock band should sound like,
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look like,
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feel like.
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If I start looking too mournful
and boring,
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light me up a bit, yeah?
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The Rolling Stones
recreated music, fashion.
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It is a fact.
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The supreme pop music brand,
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they're a link
between the counterculture
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of the 1960s
and the commercial modern world.
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Across seven decades,
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they've written the playbook
for modern rock and roll.
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I got it.
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And we'll try and keep it light.
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So this is the story
of the key ingredients
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of the special
Rolling Stones recipe.
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Chemistry is something
that you can't buy.
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That's the magic of a band.
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Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood,
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and the much-missed Charlie Watts.
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We thought they were gods.
We really did.
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And on vocals,
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Sir Michael Philip Jagger,
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better known as...
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Mick Jagger. Slate three.
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Let's start with a cliche.
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No! No cliches.
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I thought we weren't doing
cliches today.
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Mick Jagger's Mick Jagger.
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He's the best frontman
in the business.
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I mean, he'll get up there
and do his stuff
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and lay it on you, and he means it.
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What you see is what you get.
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You know? I mean, there's loads
of facets and variations on him,
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but he's really
a very honourable man, you know.
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I mean, under all that crap.
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HE LAUGHS
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One of my big jobs
is to be a big show-off, really.
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I mean, that's really what it is.
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I suppose that's my job.
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For two hours,
to make people feel good,
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to bring people a joyous experience,
that they have a great evening.
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And that's what I think my role is.
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# And I saw her today
at the reception
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# A glass of wine in her hand
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# I knew she was gonna meet
her connection... #
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I always loved the idea
of being Mick,
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one of the greatest front guy,
the greatest rock star of all time.
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# Now, you can't always get
what you want... #
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And how incredible that would be.
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# You can't always get
what you want. #
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It's truly inspirational.
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They are the pioneers.
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They were the ones
writing the story.
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# But if you try sometime
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# You just might find
you get what you need. #
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That's something that requires
attention to a lot of detail.
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Mick Jagger does it incredibly well.
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Mick's not going to let
anything go wrong
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cos he's in control.
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# I went down to
the demonstration... #
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And you just can rely on him.
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# To get my fair share of abuse
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# Singing, we're gonna vent
our temptation
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# And if we don't,
we gonna blow a 50-amp fuse. #
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Y'all sing it now.
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He's more of a controller
and an organiser than he knows.
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It's just what he is built to do.
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He wants to see this ship sail.
You know?
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# You can't always get
what you want. #
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I'm not a control freak.
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That is really...
That must be really boring.
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# You get what you need. #
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Someone has to be in control
of an enterprise like this.
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It's not only about music.
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I'm representing the band
in a way to make sure
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that they don't get fucked.
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Mick Jagger has fronted
The Rolling Stones
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for more than half a century.
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I had several neighbours
in my little suburban community
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who played guitar
and played together.
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And I used to go to these kind of...
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..dances, I suppose they were,
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and there'd be
rather greasy bands playing.
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And I'd ask, could I come and...
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I was probably 15, 16.
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"Can I...can I sing a song?"
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And they were...
Yeah, they were nice.
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And they'd said,
"Yeah, go on, then."
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# Well, you got me runnin', baby
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# You got me hidin' too
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# Tell me, tell me, baby
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# What we gonna do... #
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And it used to go down quite well.
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So, you know, I'd think,
"Yeah, I can do this.
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"And people seem to like me."
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I mean, I didn't have a band.
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The Stones form in 1962,
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and their first classic line-up
soon takes shape.
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Mick Jagger, Keith Richards,
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Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman,
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and the band's founder, Brian Jones.
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And this song, Honey What's Wrong,
is from their first-ever demo.
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# Now, don't treat me, baby
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# Like you used to do. #
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A lot of stuff
with this Rolling Stones mythology
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is it's, like, The Rolling Stones,
this blues band...
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And, you know, it started off...
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It's all true.
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But really, The Rolling Stones
are a rock band.
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It's all bullshit, the mythology.
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Rock music was the thing.
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We loved rock music
from the '50s.
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Crackers like Sweet 16, Chuck Berry.
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We were kids
and we were high energy.
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What we were popular for was playing
this rock music.
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That's what we did.
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But you had to label yourself
as a blues band to get a gig.
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We weren't really
ONLY just a blues band.
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We're an everything band.
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It takes the Stones just a few
months to blow up in the UK,
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with a sound and image ready
for almost instant fame.
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What's it like being a Stone
and having this 24 hours a day?
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Well, it's something that you get
used to, especially...
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We've been doing it for, well,
the sort of screaming thing,
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for about two years now.
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And after two years of it,
it just becomes part of your life.
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I remember talking to
Mick once and I said,
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"What's it like to be famous?"
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And he said, "You're not
really asking the right person
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"because I've been famous
ever since I was 17."
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From their very first UK number one
and its follow-up,
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this cover of Willie Dixon's
Little Red Rooster,
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the rise of the Stones is rapid,
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part of a revolution in British pop
that takes place on screen.
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# I am the little red rooster
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# Too lazy to crow for day
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# I am the little red rooster
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# To lazy to crow for day. #
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Television is hugely important.
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Millions of people would watch
these shows.
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When I was a teenager,
there was a couple of rock shows,
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but you would never miss that show
cos it's the only rock show a week.
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It is a fact -
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the streets in this country
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would be empty
on a Friday night
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because everyone was watching
"Ready Steady Go!"
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I could see how important this was.
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Everyone's watching this.
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# Hounds begin to howl. #
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That's going to stand you out
from all the other people.
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So you've got to learn
to work that medium.
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You've got to figure out how
you're going to make an impression.
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# If you see my little red rooster
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# Please drive him home. #
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I used to go to "Ready Steady Go!"
when we weren't even on.
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I would work out
how the camera angles worked.
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I would work out
what we were going to do.
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# Ain't had no peace
in the farmyard
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# Since my little red rooster's
been gone. #
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And I practised my moves, you know,
at home, and I would be rehearsed.
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But to really make it big
in the UK and in America,
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the Stones need more songs,
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hit songs,
and preferably written by them.
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Andrew Oldham, who was our manager
at the time, said, you know,
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"You've got to start writing songs
like The Beatles,
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"because we can't
just keep doing cover songs."
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We knew we had to be a pop band.
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We wanted to write pop songs.
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I mean, Andrew wasn't
particularly talented
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in any direction.
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Andrew was just Andrew,
and what Andrew did was saw
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our possibilities.
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It's songwriting that turns
the Stones into global superstars.
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And the writers of the hits
are Keith and Mick, not Brian.
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Good. Let me get up here
and say hi to Brian.
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Brian is one of the writers
of most of the things, right?
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No, I'm not, actually.
Well, I'm not really a writer.
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He was very musical, so he was...
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He could pick up
different instruments
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and he was quite innovative.
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A lot of his contributions
were perhaps not from melodies
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or lyrics or anything,
but from licks that he played
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as a musician.
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Mick and Keith write
more...many of our...
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These are the two that are supposed
to be all the writing talent.
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You fellows get together
and do most of the writing, right?
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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I mean, yeah, he liked
to tell people it was his band,
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but we was always like, "Really?
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"Really, it's your band?"
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We thought it was OUR band.
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The future as a Rolling Stone
is very uncertain.
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It's Jagger and Richards
who will soon give their friends,
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Lennon and McCartney,
a run for their money.
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If you listen to all
the popular songs ten years ago,
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very few of them
actually mean anything
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or have any relation
to what people are doing.
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They don't... Songs didn't have
any relation to what people actually
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spend their lives doing,
like getting up, washing,
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going to work, coming back
and feeling very screwed up
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about certain things.
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Life for the working guy
never changed.
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You still live
in a council house.
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You still had to pay your rent.
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And then you hear
"dam-dam, da-da-da."
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All right!
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Satisfaction
by The Rolling Stones plays
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I remember the first time
I heard it,
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and I just went,
"What the hell is that?"
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# I can't get no
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# Satisfaction
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# I can't get no
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# Satisfaction
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# And I try, and I try
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# And I try, and I try
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# I can't get no
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# I can't get no... #
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There's this pool,
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and there's this motel
in Clearwater, Florida.
252
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And I remember sitting with Keith
and writing the song Satisfaction.
253
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Andrew Oldham said,
"This is like a number one single,
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"This is great."
255
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Keith was like,
"I don't really like it.
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"It can't come out as a single."
257
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And it went to number one,
like, instantly.
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# Oh, no, no
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# Hey, hey, hey. #
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It was like a big moment.
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You know, it became
your signature tune,
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your cri de coeur,
your sexuality, your controversy.
263
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You need to have that song
that everyone remembers.
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# I can't get no
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# Satisfaction
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# And I try... #
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It turned everybody on.
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It was just a brilliant song.
269
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Those boys were building
a new road to the future.
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It makes a huge change,
and it also brings you
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into a much more confident era
of writing, production,
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all that stuff.
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Wait a minute.
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There's at least 15
huge hit songs here.
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Paint It Black, Ruby Tuesday,
Get Off My Cloud, Under My Thumb...
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Christ.
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Most bands would be happy
to get one of those.
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# I can't get no
279
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# I can't get no... #
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All right.
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Behind it is this sort of cynicism
and reality of all the blues things
282
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that I'd been listening to
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since I was very young,
very, very young.
284
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And there's a way of speaking
and a way of talking about life
285
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and a way of being sexually
roundabout but sexually
286
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kind of provocative.
287
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Mick is sexy.
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And he knew he was sexy,
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confident,
and he was so cool.
290
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He's got those lips.
291
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And for me, I love to kiss,
292
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so I was a kisser.
293
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You know what I mean?
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I do remember meeting him.
295
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I'm 15.
296
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I was slightly wary,
297
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and Mick went, "Hello, Lulu."
298
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And I tried to string a few words
together,
299
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and I believe I spoke to him.
300
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I don't really know that I said
very much, or could even engage
301
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properly in a conversation.
302
00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,000
I was frightened.
I was afraid of him.
303
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All that sexual image
that sort of oozed.
304
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It was scary.
SHE LAUGHS
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Exciting and scary.
306
00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,920
For some reason,
Mick Jagger's got
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this thing
where he can project
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that wild animal
that's in all of us.
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It's like, "Yeah, that's...
That's who we are."
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You celebrate the true nature
of the human being
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when you look at Mick Jagger.
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All right! CROWD: All right!
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Well, all right! All right!
314
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When it came to how to present
myself on stage and everything,
315
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I really didn't know how to do that.
316
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And when I sing this song, I want
everybody to raise your hands.
317
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Everybody, raise your hand.
Come on.
318
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Little Richard literally
taught me how to do this stuff.
319
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He would say, "Oh, you've got
to get them involved.
320
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"You've got to get them standing up.
321
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"If they're not standing up,
tell them,
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"you've got to tell them
to stand up, you know?"
323
00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,880
- Everybody say, "Well, all right!"
- All right!
324
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You know, and they would.
325
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You!
326
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,880
You!
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# You! #
328
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When I was on stage,
you'd feel it very strongly
329
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these people giving you this energy.
330
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And you don't really understand,
you just feel it.
331
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You don't understand really
what they're trying to say,
332
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what they want, what they need
from you, what they need from life.
333
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But you just feel that they need
something, and they're giving...
334
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..giving it to you.
335
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He knows what he wants.
336
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And you know when he knows,
cos he starts to respond
337
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and he starts to sing and he starts
to move...
338
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And voom, voom, voom...
339
00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,280
And it starts.
340
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Yeah, really enjoy life.
341
00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,680
I've heard Keith saying
on more than one occasion
342
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about what a great
performer Mick is.
343
00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,920
"He could perform
on a coffee table."
344
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He's really proud of his guy,
345
00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,160
and he knows the responsibility
that Mick takes on.
346
00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,240
It takes a lot of balls to stand up
and command an audience
347
00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,560
of 100,000 people.
348
00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,400
You're not the same person
on stage as you are
349
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the rest of the time.
350
00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,800
You have to be very, very,
very egotistical.
351
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,320
Cos that's... I mean, you're acting,
you're doing an act for them.
352
00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,760
It's not really you.
353
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,520
What do you set out to do
in your act?
354
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,320
Entertain people.
355
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,680
Most successful entertainers
have always been
356
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the most egotistical ones.
357
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,800
All that ego is got rid of onstage.
358
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,000
What sort of person do you think
you are off the stage?
359
00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,000
About half as egotistical.
360
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,520
HE VOCALISES
361
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,120
I think Mick Jagger
has this wonderful gift.
362
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:11,480
He can make
a huge stadium,
363
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seem like a small room
364
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,880
and make everybody feel involved.
365
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,320
And that's the secret.
366
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,280
# Everywhere I hear the sound
367
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,000
# Of marching, changing feet, boy
368
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,080
# Cos summer's here
and the time is right... #
369
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,840
They always find a way to make
even the biggest of the shows
370
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as intimate as possible.
371
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,560
And, obviously, Mick Jagger
does it incredibly well.
372
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,040
# Except to sing
for a rock and roll band
373
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# Cos in sleepy London town
374
00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:45,600
# There's just no place
for a street fighting man. #
375
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,160
He works at it.
376
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,200
He works hard at it.
377
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,320
And he gets them hips going.
378
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,560
And he gets them legs going.
379
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,120
He's got his thing.
380
00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:56,760
He dances his ass off.
381
00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:01,800
It ain't the latest dance move
that everybody is trying to do.
382
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,360
No, it's HIS dance.
383
00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:07,560
And he dances the shit
out of his dance.
384
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,760
# Compromise solution
385
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,960
# But what can a poor boy do
386
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,440
# Except to sing
for a rock and roll band
387
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,080
# Cos in sleepy London town
388
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,480
# There's just no place
for a street fighting man. #
389
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,800
And Mick is taught
by some of the all-time greats,
390
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:33,080
many of whom share a stage
with the Stones on tour.
391
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,840
He was watching me,
just watching every move,
392
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,640
this white-faced person
behind the speakers,
393
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,400
just watching me
while I was doing my thing.
394
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,960
Mick would always
come backstage
395
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,480
to the dressing room
396
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,080
and we would, like,
show him moves
397
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,240
and steps and things.
398
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:59,360
He was OK, but I didn't think
he was going to amount to anything.
399
00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:00,600
Sorry, Mick!
400
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,600
SHE LAUGHS
401
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,800
# Except to sing
for a rock n' roll band
402
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,560
# Cos in sleepy London town
403
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,160
# There's just no place
for a street fighting man. #
404
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,920
Really, in rock music,
405
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,680
it's about personality
more than virtuosity.
406
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,440
It's not what's best
and it's not even what's good.
407
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,560
If you want good, go see a musical,
408
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,880
where they've all been trained
to sing.
409
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,120
I don't think people even think
that Mick has a beautiful voice.
410
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,720
It's just Mick Jagger.
411
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,600
I think he is
a great dancer
412
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,800
in the way that
he expresses himself.
413
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:42,000
It's like when you see a young child
414
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,080
learning how to dance,
415
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,960
but they do it with so much heart,
416
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,720
you can't help but embrace it.
417
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,880
SHE LAUGHS
418
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,640
The way that he dances,
419
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:59,920
it is total belief and freedom
of expression and individuality.
420
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,800
The transformation is complete.
421
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,120
This is Mick Jagger,
the charismatic frontman.
422
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,120
Here's Michael wearing
a pair of ordinary gym shoes,
423
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,360
which should you'd wear
when you were playing tennis.
424
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,800
And this is Mike Jagger,
425
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,040
just a few years earlier.
426
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,080
A swotty, sporty schoolboy
427
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,000
with academic ambitions
428
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,880
and his sights set on higher things.
429
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,240
I'm working hard at my schoolwork.
430
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,360
I'm quite academic.
431
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:03,320
I want to go to university,
so I can't just fuck about.
432
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,880
You spent, I think, two years
at the London School of Economics.
433
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,720
Yeah. So I've been trying to unlearn
everything I learnt ever since.
434
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,720
But I've, I think, almost succeeded.
435
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,320
Would you ever think
of going back there? No.
436
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,480
No, I don't think so.
437
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,000
I didn't like it there very much.
438
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,960
What didn't you like about
that sort of academic learning?
439
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,640
I wasn't given any freedom.
440
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560
But Mick is about to discover
441
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,040
that freedom can have consequences
he can't always control.
442
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,600
He's on his way to Redlands,
443
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,040
the new country residence
of Mr Keith Richards.
444
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,040
"Dear Mick, do come to lovely party
in Redlands. Acid provided."
445
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,040
I don't think that was on the
invitation, but I can't remember.
446
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,600
Keith might remember
because he had to buy the acid.
447
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,360
He'd just got Redlands
and he'd done it up
448
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,160
and he wanted everyone to see, like,
as you do, you know what I mean?
449
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,920
As you do up a nice house
in the country and you want everyone
450
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,000
to come for a weekend.
451
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,280
It was quite a kind of
bohemian weekend, really.
452
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,840
We went for a nice walk.
453
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,480
# She comes in colours everywhere. #
454
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,080
And there was a lot of drugs there.
455
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,400
LSD, hash...
456
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,360
We were just having fun.
457
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,560
And then the fuzz bust in, man.
458
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,800
When you're on acid, being busted,
it's very odd.
459
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,480
It's not fun being busted at all.
460
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,600
But being busted on acid
is really weird.
461
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,560
They were breaking
in my house.
462
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,240
The police
were against you!
463
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,200
Unnecessary authority.
464
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,160
The establishment was against you!
465
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,840
I always felt that
they were picking on me.
466
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,040
Man, they're all against us.
They want to shut us down!
467
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,000
Of course, that only reinforced
my wariness of authority.
468
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,800
What they're trying to do is,
like, close the Stones down!
469
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,920
I still carry a chip.
470
00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,680
Yeah. I could use a joint right now.
You know?
471
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600
HE LAUGHS
472
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,320
But it's no laughing matter.
473
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,880
The arrests steer the Stones
into a storm of controversy.
474
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,480
Drugs raid. Jagger arrest.
475
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,920
Keith Richards being arrested.
476
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,000
It was all adding
to this whole idea
477
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,960
of this rebel outfit.
478
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,360
The first reaction is, "Oh, my God,
what am I going to do?"
479
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,000
You know, and,
"What does my mum think?"
480
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,880
Because they say you could go
to prison for five years.
481
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,320
You've now been derailed
from your amazing life
482
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,960
of a pop singer.
483
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,680
It takes the emphasis
off your career and achievements.
484
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,520
It makes you a group of drug addicts
485
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,200
rather than a talented group
of musicians.
486
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,000
But the band have always risked
falling victim
487
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,400
to their bad-boy image,
488
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,080
the invention of their manager,
Andrew Loog Oldham.
489
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,920
I think that Andrew very much
like to contrive the danger,
490
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,600
cos he saw that very cleverly
as a foil for The Beatles.
491
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,160
They got cleaned up
by their manager,
492
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,600
to make them more palatable
to the public.
493
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,600
Otherwise, they were
exactly the same as we were.
494
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,640
Filthy swine.
495
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,000
But Brian Epstein
didn't want to sell them as such.
496
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,800
He sold them as these lovable scamps
and funny,
497
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,840
and could be sarcastic,
498
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,640
but nevertheless lovable.
499
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,160
So Andrew wanted us to be more nasty
500
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800
and more dirty, more of an edge.
501
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,200
Which is a very good sell.
502
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,040
And it wasn't difficult
for us to do
503
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,120
because, you know,
you're that age,
504
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,520
it's quite easy to have that edge.
505
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,720
The gentlemen of the press
have been kept waiting.
506
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,600
Mick Jagger is half an hour late
for his press conference.
507
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,120
His fine contempt for convention
seems to irritate journalists.
508
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,760
So you think he'll be coming
into a hostile audience?
509
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,200
I would imagine so, yes.
510
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,120
Journalists would be
very patronising.
511
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,440
Morning! Good morning.
Good afternoon!
512
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,680
What do you think of him?
513
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,240
Oh, he does a damn good job
of what he wants to do,
514
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,880
which is to be a paid exhibitionist.
515
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,400
He makes a lot of money.
He laughs all the way to the bank,
516
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,560
as Liberace said.
517
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,680
Do you like press conferences? No.
LAUGHTER
518
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,960
Why not?
519
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,520
Oh, I just like... I really
like to keep myself to myself.
520
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,600
I always remember one point
where Brian used the word
521
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,560
in a stupid press conference -
522
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,880
"esoteric."
523
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,680
It's
a bit esoteric, really.
524
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,200
And he'd used the word eclectic
quite a lot as well.
525
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,560
They were so shocked, and
we would obviously tease him
526
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,760
and behave like yobs as well,
so they didn't know what to expect.
527
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,160
If you want to follow up
in TV journalism
528
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,720
what rubbish they dish out
in the press,
529
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,920
then you're pretty low.
530
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,400
So watch out, boy.
531
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,120
One half of you is sort of the yob,
and the other half is saying,
532
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,680
"Well, yeah, we also know
what we're talking about."
533
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,200
Mick Jagger needs the reporters,
and the reporters need him.
534
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600
A sort of love/hate relationship.
535
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,160
The press can be savage,
so you have to be very careful.
536
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,280
In fact, the News Of The World
helped them get busted
537
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,080
in the first place.
538
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,760
But in a famous editorial,
that bastion of the establishment,
539
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,880
The Times, actually sticks up
for them, arguing that artists
540
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,720
should not be crushed by the law,
541
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,000
and the law listens.
542
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,320
There was obviously a collusion
between the police
543
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,960
and the newspaper.
544
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,280
I mean, that's not questioned.
545
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,440
But I was freed from jail
by the establishment.
546
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,200
It's years since such crowds
gathered to await an appeal verdict.
547
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,240
But this was a Rolling Stones case,
with the fans out in force.
548
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,600
When Mick Jagger was conditionally
discharged and Keith Richards's
549
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,360
sentence quashed, the pop idols
drove off,
550
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,960
the shadow of jail
no longer over them.
551
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,720
Earlier today, Mick Jagger talked
briefly to a press conference
552
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120
after the Lord Chief Justice
Lord Parker had quashed
553
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240
his three months' prison sentence
for possessing amphetamine tablets.
554
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,600
It was a complete waste
of everybody's time.
555
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,760
Bollocks, basically.
556
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,280
Publicity since the case has shown
up a split between the society
557
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,840
which resents the anarchy
of people like the Stones
558
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,920
and that which favours
greater individual freedom.
559
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,080
It had ramifications
far beyond just a drug bust.
560
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,240
It had a lot of social implications.
561
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,720
What's wrong
with people smoking drugs?
562
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760
This is when this first came up.
563
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,880
This became a big discussion.
564
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,880
You're often taken as a sort
of symbol of rebellion.
565
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Do you think that the society
that you live in
566
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,520
is one you ought to rebel against?
567
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,440
Or do you think you're rebelling
against it?
568
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,920
Yes, definitely
rebelling against it.
569
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,280
# I was born
in a cross-fire hurricane
570
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,760
# And I howled at my ma
in the driving rain
571
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,400
# But it's all right now
572
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,600
# In fact, it's a gas
573
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,240
# But it's all right
574
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,840
# I'm Jumpin' Jack Flash
575
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,080
# It's a gas, gas, gas...#
576
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,200
Kids are looking for something else
or some different moral value.
577
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,600
The whole sort of basis of society
and values which were accepted
578
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,320
could be changed, but it's up to
them to carry on those ideals
579
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,200
that they have, instead of just
falling into the same old routine
580
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,840
that their parents have fallen into.
581
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,480
# But it's all right now
582
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,120
# In fact, it's a gas
583
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,960
# But it's all right
584
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,960
# I'm Jumping Jack Flash,
it's a gas, gas, gas #.
585
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,000
The violence of the Vietnam War
is what's causing the blowback
586
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,080
of the violence
in the street. Right?
587
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,560
Because the violence in the street
is a direct consequence
588
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:14,120
of the Vietnam War, and that gives
causes a right to violence,
589
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,520
because the state
is perpetrating the violence
590
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680
on other people, big time.
591
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,440
At Grosvenor Square, police waited
for the marchers to arrive.
592
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,600
They'd been told
there'd be no violence.
593
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,360
Sincerely they hope so.
594
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,120
1968 is a turbulent year.
595
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,800
And Mick is in the thick of it.
596
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,080
If you want to demonstrate, we have
to meet them on their own ground.
597
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,360
If they want to use horses,
we'll have 10,000 people on a horse.
598
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,880
That I love.
599
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,680
And that's that I thought
when I was there.
600
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,880
That's what it should have been.
601
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,520
I couldn't believe how vicious
the police were.
602
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,120
That was the scary thing.
603
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,200
The mounted police just chasing
at people with their horses
604
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,560
in the middle of Grosvenor Square.
605
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,960
Really scary.
606
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,280
There was nothing going on violent
from the crowd at all.
607
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,120
It was pretty peaceful,
and the police made it not peaceful.
608
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,040
That's what I remember.
609
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120
As 1968 thunders on,
610
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,720
Mick writes a song that peers
into the Heart of Darkness.
611
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,480
# Please let me introduce myself
612
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,160
# I'm a man with wealth and taste
613
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,400
# I've been around for many
a long, long year
614
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,760
# Stole many a man's soul and faith
615
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,320
# Yes, I was 'round
when Jesus Christ
616
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,280
# Had his moment of doubt
and pain...#
617
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,920
When you involve religion,
it always gives it an extra frisson.
618
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,560
So, it's obviously got
religious overtones.
619
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,160
When I wrote it, I wasn't thinking
of how provocative that was.
620
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,040
I had read all these things
about you,
621
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,480
and some people call you
the Devil incarnate.
622
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,560
I don't know who started that.
623
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,080
I don't know.
British journalists and all.
624
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,640
# Pleased to meet y'all
625
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,960
# Hope you guess my name
626
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:35,680
# But what's puzzling you
is the nature of my game...#
627
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,880
You're not this image
that people have of you.
628
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,440
I don't know what that is.
629
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,120
Well, it's a sort of sexy,
evil, satanic...
630
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,840
You can be nice, nasty,
masculine, feminine.
631
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,240
You know, all those things.
632
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,560
And everyone is all those things.
633
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,640
Try and make it a bit more life.
634
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,040
Not clipped...
635
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Reluctantly, Mick becomes
the poster boy for a troubled era,
636
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,960
with trouble followed by tragedy.
637
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,120
OK, now, listen...
638
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,360
I really don't know how to do
this sort of thing,
639
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,720
but I'm going to try.
640
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:43,280
..just say a few words
that I think I feel about Brian,
641
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,360
and I'm sure you do,
642
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,520
and what we feel about him just
going when we didn't expect him to.
643
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,320
OK, are you going to be quiet
or not?
644
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,040
Peace. Peace.
645
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,400
He is not dead. He does not sleep.
646
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,280
He has awakened
from the dreams of life.
647
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,240
It's we that are lost
in stormy visions
648
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,640
and keep with phantoms
and unprofitable strife.
649
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,560
And in a mad trance,
we strike with a spirit's knife.
650
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,560
APPLAUSE
651
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,840
All right.
652
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,480
Six months after Brian's death,
another tragedy,
653
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,840
as a chaotic free concert in America
ends in murder.
654
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
OK, it's definitely on.
655
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,200
Well, they've decided now
they're going to hold the concert
656
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,040
at Altamont Speedway.
657
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,280
So, in the '60s, I was only
interested in being, you know,
658
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,640
a good musician and
a good performer and so on.
659
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,040
I let other people do the control
part of it, which was a mistake.
660
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,400
Our tour manager said, we're going
to do it in this place called
661
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,360
Altamont, which I'd never heard of,
and I don't think anyone else had.
662
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,800
He said, "It's all going to be fine.
663
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,440
"It's San Francisco, you know,
you don't have to worry about it.
664
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,120
"It's peace and love."
665
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,840
When we got there, it was
the antithesis of peace and love.
666
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,120
It was a disastrous mess.
667
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,440
The Hells Angels were
the people doing the security.
668
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,280
You had no control over anything.
669
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,440
And we were... We were scared.
670
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,840
We felt something bad was going on
and these people were crazy
671
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,400
and they were, like,
standing next to you.
672
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,840
And it was scary.
673
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,400
The whole thing was out of control.
674
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,840
Altamont, California.
675
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,720
Four people in the audience of
a free and unscheduled concert died,
676
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,360
one of them from stab wounds.
677
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,480
All we could do was get out without
getting in trouble ourselves.
678
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,120
It was just a nightmare.
679
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,480
Life as a Rolling Stone
is spiralling into chaos.
680
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,640
After that, the '60s period,
then we had to take more control,
681
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,800
so that's when I had to take
that role on a bit more,
682
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,640
not that I particularly wanted to.
683
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,760
The ideal, in this situation,
684
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,400
is to have someone that will do
all that for you.
685
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,720
But I never really found
anyone like that.
686
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,360
LAUGHTER
687
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,520
The Rolling Stones
are about to find out
688
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,040
that their taxes
have not been paid for years
689
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,240
and they're not as rich as they
690
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,440
or the British government
thinks they are.
691
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,040
There was nobody actively
managing The Rolling Stones' money.
692
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,960
Rolling Stones had no money
in the bank.
693
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,400
So now I had to try and put my head
down and try and solve this puzzle.
694
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,920
To create income,
695
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,120
we decided that the best way
of doing that was to leave the UK,
696
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,360
because we'd have to pay less tax.
697
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,160
At the time, it looked
as if it was a total curse.
698
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,200
By the time we dealt with it,
I think that it was a blessing.
699
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,200
Quite honestly, we'd grown
too big for England's boots.
700
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,840
Keith always says that he was chased
out of England by the cops.
701
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,960
He may believe that, but the real
reason the band left was money.
702
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Mick is forced
to take on the main responsibility
703
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,840
for the band's fortunes.
704
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,960
The band would certainly
have their say in everything
705
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,440
and, if they weren't particularly
interested in having a say
about a certain detail,
706
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,560
then I'd have my say
and I would tell them,
707
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,760
"This is what we'll do. Do you
agree?" And they would say, "Yes."
708
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Now we work a bit that way now.
709
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,240
The word democracy is used to keep
everyone, you know, pacified
710
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,840
but you really have to have a strong
leader in any organisation.
711
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,080
You have to trust someone, trust
that they know better than you do.
712
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,320
Mick's not going to let anything
go wrong because he's in control.
713
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,960
He was armed with the playbook
of the London School of Economics
714
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,240
and, my heavens, he was well armed!
715
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,520
I think he brings rigour,
discipline,
716
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,160
a 360 vision on everything.
717
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,680
He's across all the detail.
718
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,640
He tests every proposition.
719
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,000
And to interact with him, you've
got to stay at the top of your game.
720
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,160
You've got to be in the A-stream
really to try and keep up with him.
721
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,720
Someone has to be the person
that says, "Look, this is
what we should be doing."
722
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:06,160
People can disagree with you,
say, "We're not doing that" or
"We want to do something different."
723
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,000
But I don't mind to be in control
of certain situations
724
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,280
that I feel that I'm confident,
that I know what I'm talking about.
725
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,360
Step one for Stones 2.0 is a
brand-new deal, brokered by Mick,
726
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,440
with Atlantic Records agreeing
to warehouse their own label.
727
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,840
The band is about to become a brand.
728
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,960
We were doing
the Sticky Fingers cover.
729
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,800
I don't know why
I thought it should have a logo.
730
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,600
I remember stopping
at a Shell Oil gas station
731
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,360
and the big picture of
a yellow shell, no letters.
732
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,480
Wow!
733
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,400
Everyone knows it's Shell.
734
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,280
We need a logo
that stands by itself.
735
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,520
And so I think I'd gone
to John Pasche and said,
736
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,920
"Let's try and get some funky
idea," and I gave him this idea.
737
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,080
I was at the Royal
College of Art,
738
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,920
studying graphic design.
739
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,720
The college got a call
from the Stones' office,
740
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:11,080
asking for them
to put forward a student
741
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,400
to come and see Mick Jagger.
742
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,800
What a break!
743
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,840
I think a lot of people believe
the lips are sort of based on Mick,
744
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,600
but that's not really true.
745
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,520
I gave him this idea of
this disembodied tongue of Kali,
746
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,920
and so then he modernised that.
747
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,480
I saw it as maybe a symbol
of protest, of anti-establishment.
748
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,400
It was like kids
sticking their tongue out.
749
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,720
It had to work as a stand-alone
symbol, if you like, for the band,
750
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:41,160
which was unusual.
751
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,760
I mean, there were brandings
for companies and so on
752
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,360
but not so much
in the rock-and-roll world, really.
753
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,840
It related to the band.
It had a connection.
754
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,400
Colour, fuck you,
funkiness, originality,
755
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,400
and so that's why it stuck, I think.
756
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,200
I think that tongue
is as important
757
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,840
as any fashion logo
in the world
758
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,920
and probably resonates
in every country, every city,
759
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,680
with people knowing
exactly what it is.
760
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,120
It's a logo that's sort of
really gone round the world now.
761
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,920
It's a Rolling Stones weekend
on Radio 1,
762
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,000
and their record
has gone up seven places
763
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
to number seven
in the chart this week -
764
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,280
The Stones, Fool To Cry.
765
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Fool To Cry
by The Rolling Stones
766
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,160
But Mick Jagger is more
than just a brand manager.
767
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,560
He's a band member
768
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,560
and a musician as essential
as a Keith Richards riff
769
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,480
to the signature Stones sound.
770
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,120
# When I come home, baby
771
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,800
# And I've been working
all night long
772
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,760
# I put my daughter on my knee
773
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,240
# She says... #
774
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,720
I think if you have an
individual timbre of your voice,
775
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:05,160
which is recognisable just by luck,
if you want, that's really helpful.
776
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,680
You know, the minute he parts
those lips, you know it's him.
777
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,560
When somebody meets him
and they talk to him,
778
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,800
he speaks like
an English gentleman.
779
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,760
One perhaps doesn't ask
for responsibilities.
780
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,680
Perhaps one
is given responsibilities
781
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,840
when one is pushed
into the limelight
782
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,520
in this particular sphere.
783
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,560
# I go see her sometimes
and make love... #
784
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,560
When he starts to sing,
785
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,440
he turns into a black man
from the south -
786
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,800
the Mick Jagger voice.
787
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,600
# I put my head on her shoulder
and she says
788
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,520
# Tell me all your troubles
789
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,360
# You know what she say to me?
790
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,080
# She say, ooh... #
791
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,240
He's, like, listened to
those voices, you know,
792
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,240
to, like, all those
blues singers,
793
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,680
and he had it down.
794
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,040
# And it makes me wonder why... #
795
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,480
Loads of people have great voices
but, er,
796
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,680
er, like, lots of people
are great guitarists,
797
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,800
but that doesn't necessarily mean
you're going to be successful.
798
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,600
Have you got a good voice? No.
799
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,880
Technically? No, not really.
800
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,600
I mean, I'm lucky
I still can sing
801
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,160
more or less, like, the same notes
as when I was 19.
802
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,160
But, no, I haven't got
a great voice.
803
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,160
But it's OK, it does its job.
804
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,200
Mick Jagger, the singer
with the group, a fascinating man.
805
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,480
He's been described variously as
"the supreme sexual object
806
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,040
"in modern Western culture."
807
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,160
That's a quote. "A compound of
menace and energy," is another one.
808
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,840
"A sadomasochistic freak,"
is another one,
809
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:46,960
and it's fascinating.
810
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,640
Mick was not the same
person that I met in London
811
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,160
when he was standing
behind the speakers.
812
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,240
He had come out of his shell
813
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:04,760
because he had found what could make
him perform the way he wanted to.
814
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,240
He became a great performer.
815
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,000
He became Mick Jagger.
816
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,440
Mick decided what he wanted
to look like on stage,
817
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,920
whether it was something
very bohemian,
818
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,240
something maybe glittery,
819
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:24,520
wearing eye make-up
and becoming very androgynous.
820
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,400
He was as chameleon-like as
you could possibly imagine,
821
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,480
but Mick really didn't give a shit.
He did his thing anyway.
822
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,960
So that influenced me to really
go into the fashion business.
823
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,760
The Stones really innovated
that whole androgynous look.
824
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,400
It was a feminised way of dressing,
wearing their girlfriends' clothes,
825
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,720
mixing it in with their wardrobe
when they had to, like, you know,
826
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,800
attract 50,000 people
to look at them on stage.
827
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,720
They adapted their look.
828
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:59,000
How did you manage to make androgyny
look so butch?
829
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,520
I didn't even know I was doing
androgyny. I was so naive.
830
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,360
But I was. I was doing androgyny,
831
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,440
but obviously that was just the way
832
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,200
I was naturally, you know,
I was a bit fey.
833
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
I remember Brian being
rather critical of me once
834
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,280
because he thought
I was too feminine.
835
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,360
I mean, I had my moments of that.
836
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,760
Every, every outfit,
he just steals the screen.
837
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,040
There's a lot of camp background
to theatre,
838
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,640
and rock and roll is still part
theatre in a way.
839
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,960
I had a great make-up artist called
Pierre
840
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,280
who would dress me up, like, wildly,
841
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,920
and I'd have to take some of
the layers off!
842
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,720
And, you know, I loved it.
I loved dressing up.
843
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,920
Of course, you dress up
very effeminately,
844
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,680
but you don't act necessarily
feminine.
845
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,840
By 1972, Mick has
never been more famous
846
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,280
or infamous.
847
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,560
More than just a rock star,
848
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,320
he's an instantly recognisable
global celebrity.
849
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,480
It can be really annoying
because people make
850
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,840
all these assumptions about you
but there's ways of dealing with it.
851
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,240
And some people can take it
and some people can't.
852
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,160
It's a bit of a pact with the devil,
really.
853
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,280
Cut.
854
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,360
I suddenly got an invite to go
to his wedding to Bianca.
855
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,040
I thought, "Oh, this will be fun."
856
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,400
I realised that it's
in the south of France.
857
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,400
He'd laid on a plane.
858
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,360
The plane's filling up with
all these artists
859
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,280
and famous people of the day.
860
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,560
We had such a great weekend.
861
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,680
Everyone was stoned.
862
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,600
And so it was a great atmosphere.
863
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,920
At probably the most chaotic
wedding of the year,
864
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Mick Jagger arriving at
the Saint-Tropez town hall
865
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,960
with his bride, Bianca de Macias.
866
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,640
When Jagger found that there
were scores of photographers there,
867
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,640
he said he refused to be married
in a goldfish bowl.
868
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,560
However, in spite of all
the confusion,
869
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,000
scuffling and shouting,
870
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,160
one Rolling Stone at least
finally came to rest.
871
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,480
As Mick's fame grows, so does
his ambition for the band.
872
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,320
From the 1970s on, the sheer scale
of their live performances
873
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,600
grows ever larger.
874
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,280
I've been getting into lights and
things, which has been nice, but
875
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,520
I don't think anyone's really done
lights properly in this country.
876
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,600
Last week, New York City finally got
to see and hear the Rolling Stones.
877
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,560
We were the last stop on
a tour that I'm sure most
of you have heard about.
878
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,280
And the tour was amazingly
complicated, logistically,
879
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,880
in terms of moving them
and more than 100 people
that travel with them
880
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,360
and all the equipment
from city to city.
881
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:43,960
The Stones were
the first band
882
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,600
to have their own
stages built
883
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,120
and their own
stage designs,
884
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,840
which were pretty extraordinary.
885
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,640
That was Mick. That wasn't
anyone else. That was Mick.
886
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:02,160
The next two decades see the Stones
create a travelling carnival
887
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,640
that only they control.
888
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,480
I felt something like
I'd never felt in my life.
889
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,880
I felt like 20,000 people's
energy looking at Mick.
890
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:18,520
And I couldn't believe the sensation
of their focused energy.
891
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,920
It's undescribable.
892
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,400
When all these lights
come on in red,
893
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,920
I'd like the whole stage
to be red
894
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,760
and not to have just
the front area.
895
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,120
We've gone back to the crane.
896
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,480
I mean, I know we talked about
just losing the crane.
897
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,960
Steel Wheels in '89 was the
ground-breaking stadium tour.
898
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,760
It was the Stones who did
the first tours of stadia.
899
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,440
As they got bigger and bigger,
you know,
900
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,320
three or four nights at
Madison Square Garden wasn't enough.
901
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,760
They did create
the stadium rock show.
902
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,200
That generations of people
go to see the Rolling Stones
903
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,640
because it's a bucket list item,
it's a life experience,
904
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,240
it's a rite of passage.
905
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:00,320
That stadium experience
was mind-blowing.
906
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,600
I was just designing a playroom
for myself that was huge.
907
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,600
And I used to climb up the back
of this stage that was 90-foot high.
908
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,760
No-one had seen anything like it.
909
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,080
It's like in the old days
when the circus would come.
910
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,200
Rock music got
to that level.
911
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,160
It became this giant thing.
912
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,360
Mick was running the show,
913
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,160
and I think he's always run
the show,
914
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,160
and I think they're all happy
that he did.
915
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,640
Are you ready for a little bit more?
916
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,720
We would go through the ideas
for these big stadium tours
917
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:36,600
with the massive stages,
very expensive,
918
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,240
some of them just crazy and
wonderful.
919
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:43,200
There were so many ideas
and not all of them practical.
920
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,960
Mick wanted to have
an elephant come out
921
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,520
at the end of a performance
922
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,840
and present him with a rose
in the end of his trunk.
923
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,960
What was he thinking?
What was he thinking?
924
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,200
Mick will always
push the envelope a bit.
925
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,280
Keith is the person
who might stop that.
926
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,360
He famously stopped the elephant
on the stage.
927
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,760
Heh-heh! Everybody...
928
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,240
The sigh of relief
almost blew the building down.
929
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:18,480
I think at times Mick
might push further than the band
930
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,400
would like to go.
931
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,800
When that happens, I guess
there's a little discussion
932
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,040
or there's no discussion.
933
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,720
There's just, you know,
934
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:32,440
"No. No, I'm not doing it
and you can't make me."
935
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,760
Would you tell me
about your relationship with Keith?
936
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,520
No. You know, we have
a pretty good relationship.
937
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,040
We have our ups and downs.
938
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,880
I mean, after 30 something years,
I mean, if you don't have any ups
939
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,680
and downs, there's something wrong
with your relationship.
940
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,840
There was a time
you would never see
941
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,960
Mick and Keith
put their arm
942
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,520
around each other
943
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,320
because for a lot of years they
weren't laughing so much together.
944
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,840
The band isn't really meant
to be touchy-feely.
945
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,680
That's what's great about them.
946
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,040
You've been playing a bit
of guitar, haven't you?
947
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,960
Yeah, on stage, yeah.
948
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,480
I haven't played so much. I enjoyed
it very much, playing guitar.
949
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,720
Keith keeps adjusting my settings
when I'm singing, of course.
950
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,120
If I did that with him,
he'd probably go bananas.
951
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,440
That anger created a type of spark.
952
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,440
Anger, you know,
makes for good songwriting.
953
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,600
Mick has always been
the captain of the ship.
954
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,440
Keith won't like to hear that,
but, you know, in the early '70s,
955
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,320
I thought,
like we all felt at the time,
956
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,160
you don't know how lucky you are,
mate.
957
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,160
After a while, I'm now seeing
the love and respect...
958
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,120
..that they have each other.
959
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,880
It warms the shit out of me.
960
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,680
# I'm the man on the mountain
961
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:01,160
# Come on up
962
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:09,040
# I'm the ploughman in the valley
963
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,560
# With a face full of mud
964
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,080
# Well, I'm fumbling
and I know my car don't start
965
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,520
# Yes, I'm stumbling
966
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,200
# And I know I play a bad guitar
967
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,640
# But I just want a drink
968
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,480
# From your loving cup
969
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,560
# I just want... #
970
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,520
The thing about bands is that...
971
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,760
..that's it's a band.
972
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,080
It's a collection of individuals,
a band.
973
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,800
They say, "You're just like
brothers. It's like a family."
974
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,480
It's not like a family at all.
975
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,320
I actually have a brother and I know
what it's like to have a brother.
976
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,680
It's not like being with Keith
at all.
977
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,760
It's friendship and it...
978
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,760
And it's friendship
and working together.
979
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,120
# Give me a drink
from your loving cup... #
980
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,120
As in friendships or love affairs,
981
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,840
people have roles to play,
but those roles change.
982
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,240
And so it's in a state of flux,
so it's never the same.
983
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:22,640
So if you're talking about a band
like the Rolling Stones,
984
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,400
who've been around such a long time,
then all of these things apply.
985
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,040
Jagger and Richards
depend on each other
986
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,560
more than
they'll ever know.
987
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,000
# What a beautiful buzz
988
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,640
# What a beautiful buzz.. #
989
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,480
Oh, you know, "They've had a,
they've had an argument.
990
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,600
"Oh, my God!"
You know, I mean,
991
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,720
and it's so, you know,
talk about storms in teacups,
992
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,280
you know what I mean?
993
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,840
It's like... And so before
I know it, you know, Mick and I
994
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,440
are actually sort of
making up fights
995
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,080
just to keep everybody happy,
you know?
996
00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:59,440
And so it gets ridiculous.
997
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,040
No, we're tight.
998
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:06,520
# Give me that drink
from your loving cup
999
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:14,240
# Just one drink
and I'll fall down drunk... #
1000
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,600
Have you got any idea
why your group particularly
1001
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,680
has lasted as long as it has?
1002
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,800
Because we stay together,
I suppose, and we enjoy it.
1003
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,440
We all have little sort of
disagreements. We haven't had...
1004
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,960
We haven't had any violence
since 1965, I don't think.
1005
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,560
What happened in 1965?
1006
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,280
Was that the chicken?
1007
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,000
Someone stole someone's
chicken sandwich.
1008
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,240
That was the last fight we had.
1009
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,400
Can you picture yourself at the age
60 doing what you do now?
1010
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,360
Yeah, easily, yeah.
1011
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,640
What happens to someone like
yourself, Mick Jagger,
when you get old?
1012
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,360
When you get old?
Same as what happens to you, love.
1013
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:59,040
The Stones have now played live in
front of more than 15 million people
1014
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,360
on every continent on Earth,
1015
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,480
drawing record-breaking crowds
in Rio in 2006
1016
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,480
and Havana ten years later,
1017
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,200
in a country that banned their music
for decades.
1018
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,920
But I try to do things
that haven't been done before
1019
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,200
or difficult to do.
1020
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,720
But I don't honestly enjoy doing
business per se very much.
1021
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,240
I'd much rather be a performer,
1022
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,560
and I wish I didn't have to do
any of the business bit.
1023
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,320
But I am interested
in creating shows.
1024
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,400
The whole thing of trying to go
to Cuba was, like, impossible.
1025
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,720
Let's see if we can do it, and the
answer is, "Not really, we can't."
1026
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,480
And you push and you push and you
push, and you keep pushing
1027
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,680
and you keep pushing. We'll find
a way of just getting around this.
1028
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,880
# You can't always
get what you want... #
1029
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,080
I like to hear on the radio,
1030
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,640
five past eight,
you hear the tour manager
1031
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,080
to the production manager
and he just says,
1032
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:00,920
"We're walking, we're walking."
1033
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,760
We know that it's three minutes
to the stage and then they start
1034
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,200
the intro music
and then the show starts,
1035
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,960
and you still get butterflies
and excitement when you do that.
1036
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,560
# You get what you need
1037
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,560
# You get what you need... #
1038
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,200
Sometimes, I think the Stones
would go on without Mick or me.
1039
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,840
It'd still carry on somehow.
1040
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,560
If you look at musical history,
pop music history,
1041
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,160
nothing lasts forever.
1042
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,280
You have to go, how did this
rebel rock and roll band
1043
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,720
stand the test of time
and still stay together?
1044
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,680
Mick is the answer to that.
1045
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,920
He doesn't beat his own butt about,
"I'm not who I was 40 years ago."
1046
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,880
It's like, "I know
who I was 40 years ago.
1047
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,080
"I knew who I was 50, 60 years ago."
1048
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,200
They're not going to end.
1049
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,200
They've been doing this
since I was in sixth grade,
1050
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,720
and they're going to keep
doing it till they drop.
1051
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,760
The hardest thing in rock and roll
is to keep a band together.
1052
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:40,120
Got to keep the band together.
Got to keep the band together.
1053
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,680
And Mick Jagger did.
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