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Ladies and gentlemen...
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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..the Rolling Stones!
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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In September 2021,
the Rolling Stones did something
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they hadn't done since 1963...
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..perform without their drummer,
Charlie Watts.
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CHEERING
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For the Stones and their fans,
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it's an event packed with emotion.
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Every concert on the tour begins
with the same moving tribute -
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the sound of Charlie's steady beat,
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something that powered the band
for nearly 60 years.
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DRUMBEAT CONTINUES
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CYMBALS CRASH
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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I just want to say to you all that
it's really quite emotional seeing
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those...seeing those pictures
of Charlie up on the screen.
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And...
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CHEERING
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This is our...this is our first tour
that we've ever done without him.
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CHEERING
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Cos we all miss Charlie so much
on the stage and off the stage.
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And we'd like to dedicate
this tour to Charlie.
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So, here's to you, Charlie.
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CHEERING
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MUSIC: Waiting On A Friend
by The Rolling Stones
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Charlie Watts. You know,
I'm still dealing with it.
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You know, I miss Charlie
on many levels.
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Like, I miss...
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..wanting to play him this
new groove and, erm, want to say
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how badly England's done
in the Test match yesterday!
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You know, I miss him really a lot.
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# I'm just waiting on a friend. #
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When Charlie passed,
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we're mind blown.
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We have the spirit of Charlie
playing with us all the time.
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Charlie Watts was the driving force
behind everything the Stones did,
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their heartbeat.
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His drumming shaped the music
we have loved for six decades.
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He laid down the feel
for songs that are now my age.
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Oh! I'm going to start crying.
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No matter how fast Mick
went across the stage
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doing the pony or whatever,
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he was right there with him.
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It was a real shock when he passed.
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The realisation that there possibly
is an end to a band
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that's been going on and on
and on for so many decades.
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I can't imagine the Stones
without Charlie Watts.
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Charlie was the engine.
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The best drummer
England has ever produced.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Mr Watts, walk in and hit your mark.
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Yeah. Go on. What?
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Say your words.
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It's all about me.
And I'm the star.
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For once.
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KEITH: Yeah!
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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE
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INTRODUCTION IN GERMAN
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Honky Tonk Woman!
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The way it kicks in
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with just a kick and a snare.
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MUSIC: Honky Tonk Women
by The Rolling Stones
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When you hear the intro to that...
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INTRO PLAYS
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..it just becomes
a physical reaction
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that overtakes your body.
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# I met a gin-soaked bar-room queen
in Memphis
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# She tried to take me upstairs
for a ride
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# She had to...#
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When I first heard Honky Tonk Women,
I thought, "Man, that's funky."
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Charlie is a huge part of that
because when there's something
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that is funky, a lot of it
emanates from the drums.
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# It's the honky tonk women... #
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Charlie and I, we were
very orientated towards dance,
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and so that's what brought us
together - cos it's about beats.
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What do drummers do?
They lay down a beat to dance.
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# I laid a divorcee
in New York City... #
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Charlie sounded like
an American drummer.
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He had that American feel.
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That's what it was.
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If I closed my eyes with Charlie,
I'd figure it was a black drum.
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Keith knew from the very beginning
that they'd found someone
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who was unique and so special.
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Not only his performance,
but in his character, as well.
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# It's the honky tonk women... #
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The marriage between Keith and
Charlie made up its own instrument.
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The space they gave each other,
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the way the instruments fell,
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it was like a tapestry.
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I usually look at Charlie and he'll
give me a grin because it's clicking
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and it's almost like you don't even
want to touch the strings
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because they're doing it themselves,
you know, and anyway,
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they'd be too hot.
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The great thing about Charlie
is he knew every number
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could fall apart just like that -
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when you least expect it.
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And that's what makes it so magic.
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The element of risk
is what drives our band.
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# Gimme, gimme, gimme
the honky tonk blues
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# Honky tonk women... #
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Honky Tonk Women is the culmination
of everything The Rolling Stones
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developed on their rise to fame.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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The Rolling Stones
and Honky Tonk Women.
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I like the fella
that plays the drums.
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Charlie.
REPORTER: You like him?
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Yeah.
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CHEERING ECHOES
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CHARLIE: Ever since I've been with
The Rolling Stones,
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this has nothing to do with me,
by the way,
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people have come to look at us.
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FANS SHRIEKING
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We've had a following.
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It's been quite incredible.
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What I call the Beatles period,
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which was exactly what was happening
to them, was happening to us.
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SHRIEKING
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How do you think being a success
has influenced you as a person?
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Well, I no longer think,
unfortunately, about spending £5.
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That really is the only difference
it's made to me.
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I loved it.
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As far as the excitement
in the crowd, it was fantastic.
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And, you know, when you see
a balcony
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in one of these beautiful old
theatres in the north of England
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bouncing up and down...
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..it's incredible and you're
looking at the audience.
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During that period, we never
played more than two songs.
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They would announce
"The Rolling Stones",
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the curtains would open.
The whole place would go mad.
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And within about three songs...
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..they'd break the whole thing up
and we'd have to get off.
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Apart from going in studios,
we didn't play a great deal
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cos we actually never
got through a set!
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Do you think it's changed
your attitude to people?
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No. I think it changed
people's attitude to me.
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But really,
when the music stopped...
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..I wish I could have turned it off.
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I hated it.
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I hated being chased by girls
and all that.
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It used to really embarrass me.
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It's always been
"That's what The Rolling Stones do."
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Not me.
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I think The Rolling Stones
are great,
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but I kind of don't see me in it
somehow.
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Charlie always had an ambivalent
relationship with stardom
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and the Stones.
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But what sets Charlie apart
from his bandmates
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actually makes him
their perfect partner -
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the anchor in any
rock and roll storm.
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And what he brings in character
and playing style
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is writ large on their first
American trip.
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They want to replicate the success
of the Beatles
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just three months earlier.
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But with Charlie on board,
there's a twist.
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All the British Invasion bands
had a deep love for the Blues
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and rhythm and blues,
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but not all of them had
an appreciation of jazz.
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Jazz is a key component
to rock and roll music.
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It's not always talked about.
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The Rolling Stones'
deep appreciation of jazz
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is down to Charlie Watts.
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And while the rest of the band
worship at the feet of the blues...
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..Charlie has a different church.
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CHARLIE: We landed in New York.
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I went to a jazz club
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at the Village Vanguard or Birdland.
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I saw two artists at Birdland.
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One was Charlie Mingus's band,
which was pretty amazing.
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And the other was Sonny Rollins.
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That was America.
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I didn't care about the rest of it.
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Jazz is Charlie's first
and enduring love.
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Even as his rhythms for the Stones
quickly earn him a reputation
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as one of the greatest rock drummers
of all time,
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jazz is never far away.
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MUSIC: Rocks Off
by The Rolling Stones
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# Oh, yeah
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# I hear you talking
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# When I'm on the street
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# Your mouth don't move
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# But I can hear you speak... #
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Well, when you're talking about
the song Rocks Off,
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which is one of
my personal favourites,
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the fills, if you listen to
the fills, they were in odd places.
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# Is he checking out for sure... #
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So whatever he's responding to,
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he's in the moment,
having a musical conversation.
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# I'm always hearing voices
on the street... #
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That's jazz.
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That's jazz because
it's so spontaneous.
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# Can't hardly speak
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# I was making love last night
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# To a dancer friend of mine
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# I can't seem to stay in step
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# Come every time
that she pirouettes over me... #
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To me, the essence of what we do
as a band and where Charlie
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comes from is, basically,
you go back to the word "jazz".
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Charlie Watts first discovers
the music he loves the most
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as a young boy growing up
in post-war Wembley Park.
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INDISTINCT CHATTER
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Here we go.
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Watch out, he's joined us!
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We grew up together from
the age of four
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and listened to all this music.
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It was funny because we started
becoming interested in music
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in tandem, really.
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We moved into prefabs in
Wembley Park, literally, next door.
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You know, if you came out of
my front door,
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straight into Charlie's, you know.
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ARCHIVE: Aluminium bungalows are
being erected here at the rate of
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one every 35 minutes.
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The house seems to spring up,
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and before you smoke
your third cigarette,
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the curtains are going up
in the living room.
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There were neat rows of prefabs.
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It's all the same size.
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There was a great feeling
of community living there.
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Nobody was any better off
than anybody else,
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so it was a fantastic place for kids
to live.
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With holes in the fences,
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the boys can go back and forth
between each other's houses...
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JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS
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..where these young Londoners
discover a taste for American jazz.
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Charlie was into bebop before I was.
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I would go into Charlie's bedroom.
He's like, "I got a new record."
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Charlie, Dizzy, here they are.
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This is Charlie Parker
and the famous Dizzy Gillespie.
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OK, fellas, let's go.
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MUSIC PLAYS
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I heard Charlie Parker playing.
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That's what I liked.
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That's where he set everything
was from Charlie Parker.
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His love of Charlie Parker
was absolutely immeasurable.
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It sounded like music
from outer space.
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It transported you to
another world...
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..New York in the '40s...
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..52nd Street.
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It was total magic.
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'50s America.
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They are the people I love.
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I was in '50s America, really,
where my thing is,
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and I still kind of look like that
in a way.
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JAZZ MUSIC ECHOES
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ANNOUNCER: Charlie Parker,
the alto sax and...
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The first drummer I wanted to be,
ever, was Chico Hamilton...
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..who was with Gerry Mulligan
on Walking Shoes.
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I had a banjo, took the neck off it,
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and started playing on this
banjo skin with a pair of brushes.
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Then my dad bought me a set of drums
from a guy who played in a pub.
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This is Lil, Charlie's mum,
talking about Charlie.
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"Charlie always wanted a drum set
and used to wrap out tunes
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"on the table with pieces of wood
or a knife and fork.
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"We bought him his first drum set
for Christmas when he was 14.
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"It cost £12.
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"He took to it straight away
and often used to play jazz records
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"and join in on his drums.
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"The neighbours were very good.
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"They never complained."
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LAUGHTER
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I was the neighbour!
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LAUGHTER
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Fantastic.
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With his heroes Chico Hamilton,
Max Roach and Elvin Jones
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accompanying him...
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..it isn't long before a teenage
Charlie joins his first band -
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The Joe Jones All Stars.
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Edgeware Jazz Club
on the 21st of August, 1959.
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JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS
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This is the first recording,
ever, of Charlie.
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MUSIC PLAYS
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DRUMBEAT
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You can hear his great swing,
even there.
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MUSIC CONTINUES
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The Charlie Watts sound
is taking shape.
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But it's about to make a giant leap
forward thanks to late night trips
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to the heart of swinging London.
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It was quite a thing to go
to jazz clubs.
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There was a few of them -
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the Marquee Club,
Ronnie's old place,
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the Flamingo.
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These clubs in the heart of Soho
are a slice of New York in London,
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and for Charlie, yearning
the excitement and glamour
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of Manhattan's 52nd Street -
the street of jazz -
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they're intoxicating.
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Hey, fellas.
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Let's hear it through
from the top, shall we?
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16, I used to go and stare at
these people, like Phil Seamen.
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I wanted to be that.
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Phil Seaman was England's answer
to Art Blakey, in a way.
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He was THE great jazz drummer.
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Charlie would never call himself
a jazz drummer,
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but he had a jazz drummer's
sensibility,
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and that inflected his playing.
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He had a looseness about his
delivery that he just couldn't
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get out of local talent.
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We were all learning. The rock beat
was only being invented, basically,
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as...as we were happening.
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You know? He scored himself
in that.
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Putting him in a rock and roll band
was really interesting
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because you had the concepts
of free jazz drummers,
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but in the Rolling Stones.
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Charlie's ability to improvise,
be flexible and keep perfect time
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is crucial to a band well known
for living on the edge
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and being loose enough
to make mistakes.
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In The Village Voice, which was
where I saw the ad that led
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to my hooking up with Bruce
and the E Street Band in 1974,
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they had a great section of
music want ads, and invariably,
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you would come across an ad,
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"Wanted - Charlie Watts-type
drummer."
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So Charlie Watts, through
no initiative of his own,
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had become a genre.
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People like Charlie Watts
are very hard to put in a pocket.
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They don't make pockets
for people like Charlie.
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He's a totally unique guy.
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There are only a few drummers
throughout history that I would say
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were artists in their own right.
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And he was definitely one of them.
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You know that iconic beat
that he has?
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MUSIC: Tumbling Dice
by The Rolling Stones
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That tus-tus-tus-tus.
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Everybody knows
that Charlie Watts beat.
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# Women think I'm tasty
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# But they're always tryin'
to waste me
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# Make me burn the candle right down
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# Dirty, yeah
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# Dirty, yeah... #
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He had a playing style,
a feel that was all his own.
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# All you women
is low down gamblers... #
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The sound is an open sound
where the drums resonate.
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It's a note,
it's not a thud and whack.
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# Fever in the funk house
now, now, now... #
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You know, that's a jazz way
of thinking.
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Drummers have their own sound.
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Charlie Watts had a snare sound
which sang throughout the music
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of The Rolling Stones.
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# I'm dancin'... #
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What made him so unique
was that he could rock so hard
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while being so loose.
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He had a very relaxed style for
a very high energy type of music.
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In recording him,
I discovered very early...
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..Charlie would never play his
high hat and his snare drum
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at the same time.
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In not playing the high hat
at the same time as his snare...
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..it gives the snare
a huge, big, open sound.
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I'd never heard of that before.
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But if you go back and listen to it,
it's great.
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But it also did something else too.
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That extra physical motion,
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that takes time.
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HE LAUGHS
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And it helped lay back the groove.
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That was an important part of
that laid-back Rolling Stones sound.
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They could be relaxed
and play at slower tempos,
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and yet it felt like the thing
was charging forward.
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CROWD CHANTS: Charlie, Charlie...!
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Charlie's playing style
reflects his character.
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It's all about The Rolling Stones,
not him.
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That's what I do.
I play the drums for Keith and Mick.
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I don't play 'em for me.
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But this masks the deep respect
he has for his craft,
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standing on the shoulders of giants
on his way to the top.
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He had so many different drum kits.
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He had Gene Krupa's kit,
you know.
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Art Blakey's kit, you know?
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All the famous drummers through
the years that influenced him.
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CREAKING
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And all these amazing artefacts
are kept here...
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..at a secret location...
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Wow!
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..a treasure trove,
years in the making...
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So much stuff.
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..every shelf crammed
with musical history.
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He's been saying this for years,
actually -
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"You must come and see
my drum collection."
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What have we got here?
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Wow! Tony Williams!
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And he had this idea of
opening a museum.
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He said to me,
"You must come and see it."
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And he wanted me to go with Steve.
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Wow! Look at that Premier kit!
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Kenny Clarke's kit that he gave
to Max Roach.
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There must be 100 kit here.
Yeah, yeah.
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Joe Morello.
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Wow!
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Yeah, that's the one he used with
Dave Brubeck. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Original cases and everything.
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Charlie Parker.
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Yeah, it's his horn case.
Don't believe that!
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That's incredible!
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What have we got here?
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DJ Fontana's 1953
Copper Mist Gretsch,
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purchased by Elvis
for DJ in Houston. No way!
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Wow!
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"Elvis put this in the back
of the Cadillac
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"and we drove to the gig,
set it up and played."
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Ha!
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The whole history of drumming's
here. It is!
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Jazz and rock and roll. Yeah.
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Charlie adores what he calls
"his stuff".
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It's an indulgence paid for
by his success
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with the Rolling Stones.
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And it keeps him sane amidst
the madness of rock and roll.
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He remains the accidental rock star,
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famously reticent about
being a Stone.
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CHEERING
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Because of what I do,
I can't play the drums at home.
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And to play the drums,
I have to go on the road.
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And to go on the road,
I have to leave home.
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And it's like a terribly
vicious circle.
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It's always been my life.
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For a band that has spent
an enormous amount of time
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on the road during
their 60 years together,
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it's a nomadic existence -
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planes, trains, tour buses, hotels
and an awful lot of nothing to do.
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You must have done a great deal
of hanging about in 25 years
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of the Rolling Stones? Hmm.
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Work five years and 20 years
hanging around!
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LAUGHTER
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The bit where the door shuts
and you're on your own
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in that bloody room...
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..that drives you crazy!
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But then, you know, that's just me,
you know.
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I should really be downstairs
bopping around,
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but I'm not like that, you know?
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So it's very odd.
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There's this sort of real
split thing going on.
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It's all right once the sun
comes up for me.
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Charlie is anything
but a rock and roll cliche -
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no TVs thrown from windows,
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no hanging out with groupies,
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no dismantling his hotel room,
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just his own unique way
to while away the hours.
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He drew every bed that he slept in,
every meal that he ate,
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every hotel room.
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It started in '60-something
and it was something to do.
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It's a diary.
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And now I can't miss one
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because it's like ruining
a day in the life of,
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so I just draw every bed
that I sleep in when I tour
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with the Rolling Stones.
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I had the pleasure of him showing me
one of his tour books once.
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They're very simple
line drawings and...
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You know, he'd have, like,
"Put your coat here",
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a little sign like that, or...
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Mixed with all kinds of details
from the room.
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And I always said to him,
"Charlie, you should release this.
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"You know, people want to see them."
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"Nobody wants to see this."
I said, "They do, Charlie.
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"You know, it's a real eye
into your world," and he was like,
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"Who wants to be in my world?!"
you know?
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He totally underestimated his power
as a person.
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You know, there were times
when Charlie was OCD.
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Timing the walk?
And that's normal strolling...
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He would avoid the cracks
in the sidewalk,
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he would have to walk down or up
a flight of stairs a certain way,
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or else he would have to go
back down and start it all over.
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You know, that was there,
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you know, that was part
of who he was.
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Because I don't actually
like touring, you see.
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I mean, I don't like living
out of suitcases.
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One word - particular.
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He's famous for... Everything had to
be organised in a certain way
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cos I would often quiz him.
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"So how do you do socks,
then, Charlie?
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00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,720
"Do you just roll them into a ball?"
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"No! You don't want to roll them
into a ball.
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00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,120
"I'll show you if you want."
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And there in his room are
these beautiful travelling cases,
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and there in the top drawer
would be the socks.
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"Well, you fold them in half,
but you always put
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"a bit of tissue paper in between.
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00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,040
"You see, that way,
they keep their shape."
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Clothes had a layer of tissue paper
between each shirt,
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each sock, each underpant,
each jacket.
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Pristine would be the word,
not one thing out of place.
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I hate people touching my things.
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HE CHUCKLES
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Do you?
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I hate maids coming in my room
in hotels.
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I live in hotels a lot of my life.
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But I always put "Do not disturb",
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and sometimes I'm in there
for two weeks,
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00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920
and I never have them in there.
I hate them in there.
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00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,040
What is it you hate?
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Touching things I have.
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00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,880
If I went in his room to see him,
if he turned his back,
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I'd move a book slightly and
sit back down, and he'd turn round
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00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,680
and he'd move the book
exactly back where it was,
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and he'd be picking things up
off the floor all the time.
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Sometimes he'd even done it
when he'd been introduced on stage.
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You know, he's going... "Ladies
and gentlemen, Charlie Watts!"
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And he'd go forward a little bit
and stop and pick up
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a little bit of dirt, you know,
or whatever it may be.
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JAZZ MUSIC PLAYS
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On tour, Charlie likes to control
his environment as much as possible.
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00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,400
His dressing room is called
the Cotton Club,
499
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,160
where he can be found
listening to Duke Ellington
500
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,240
before going on stage.
501
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,160
"Cotton Club" was written
on the door.
502
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,360
You know, if you ever wanted a quiet
moment, that was the place to go.
503
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,480
And you would always be welcomed in.
504
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,960
There would be something nice
to eat and drink.
505
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,280
A sea of tranquillity with
just a few home comforts.
506
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,400
Oh, what's this?
507
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Take a look at it. Open it up.
508
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,280
Charlie's touring tea set.
509
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,160
CHUCKLING
510
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,160
A cup and a saucer!
511
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,440
Fantastic.
512
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,600
It looks pretty old, doesn't it?
513
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,560
It looks Victorian. Yeah, yeah.
514
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,560
This one's still got tea in it!
Yeah!
515
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,240
It's definitely him, isn't it?
Yeah, absolutely.
516
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,320
An Englishman on tour.
Oh, man.
517
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,520
Put it back before we break it.
Yeah.
518
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,480
Charlie wouldn't like that!
519
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,480
Yeah. Wonderful.
520
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,160
How would you describe
the tour that you've had so far?
521
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,440
Bloody hard work.
522
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,440
LAUGHTER
523
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,960
He secretly enjoyed touring.
524
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,080
He used to say, "I don't want to do
it," but I think he thrived on it.
525
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,320
He got better-looking, healthier,
526
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,960
and you could see him thrive
as he played.
527
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960
I'm the one that leaves.
528
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,520
At the end of every tour...
I hate suitcases.
529
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,840
I leave the band,
but they won't let you!
530
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Man, you know, we were
a little family back there
531
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,320
in our dressing room, you know?
532
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,360
CHUCKLING
533
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Charlie thought I could cut hair
because he's seen me do my own.
534
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,600
That was about the only time,
though, that he let me cut his hair!
535
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,440
I love playing the drums and I love
playing with the Rolling Stones.
536
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,360
I mean, my wife always says
I like them more than her,
537
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,720
which isn't true.
538
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,400
Have you thought about taking
your wife around with you?
539
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,080
She comes on the tours occasionally,
but she doesn't like them.
540
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,520
I don't blame her.
I mean, what is it, really?
541
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,840
You know, apart from this show.
And it's all me. It's what I do.
542
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,280
There was no place for a wife
543
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,280
on the tours. You know,
there was nothing to do.
544
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,800
And I sat in these dingy hotel rooms
and I sketched and I read
545
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,040
and wished I was somewhere else!
546
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,920
I just wanted to be with Charlie
so badly.
547
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:53,440
I was complaining to Charlie's
mother once about his absences.
548
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,840
It was just before we got married.
She said...
549
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,600
"Oh," she said, "don't worry about
it. It will be over within a year."
550
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Charlie and Shirley are married
for 57 years.
551
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,160
Devoted to one another,
he misses her on tour,
552
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,320
craving the peace and solitude
of home.
553
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,360
The first Stone to leave London,
554
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,600
he's part of the '60s rock star
exodus to large country mansions -
555
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,960
symbols of wealth and fame.
556
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,480
But with Charlie,
it's about more than status.
557
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,960
It's a refuge.
558
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,160
It gave him a peaceful place
to live, you know?
559
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,960
I did go to his place in Devon.
560
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
DOGS BARK
561
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,640
I think they had 15 dogs.
562
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,840
Come on!
563
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,800
He took me around
to show me the horses.
564
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Oh, it was total respect for design.
565
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,080
He wasn't trying to be
a silly eccentric,
566
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,920
buying cars for the sake of it.
567
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,520
No, he loved every line
on that Lagonda.
568
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,360
Sitting in it, to him, was like
being in a painting, you know?
569
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200
And, thank you very much,
570
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,480
I'll wear a suit
to match the colours of my car,
571
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,000
and he'd just sit in
and be the part.
572
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,400
Charlie is well known
for his sartorial elegance,
573
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
a very modern English
country gentleman...
574
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,760
..far from the wild
drummer archetype.
575
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,160
And his fiercely independent spirit
stands out,
576
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:19,560
even in a band that redefines
freedom of expression.
577
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,720
I think the look of rock and roll
is a bit shabby,
578
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,440
but that's me, you know?
579
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,200
He wasn't necessarily dressing
the part of the rock star,
580
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,400
but more of the jazzer
who was playing in a rock band.
581
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,400
Now, this is another area
where drummers doffed their caps
582
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,680
for old Charlie, that he could go
out there in a very expensive suit
583
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,800
and play drums, whereas I got to
go out in shorts and a T-shirt.
584
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,360
He was just immaculate.
585
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,200
And I don't think he sweated.
586
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,880
Oh, yeah... Charlie...
587
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,520
Bespoke suits, bespoke shirts,
588
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,000
bespoke shoes.
589
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,360
I've got a campaign.
590
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,760
I'm saving the bespoke
tailoring industry.
591
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,560
Single-handedly!
592
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,560
Charlie has a lifetime devotion
to bespoke suits, most of which come
593
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,360
from his tailor of choice -
Huntsman in Savile Row.
594
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,120
A client for over 50 years,
one of their favourites,
595
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,080
he even has a fabric his tailors
nicknamed the Watts Stripe.
596
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,240
I never knew him as Charlie.
597
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,000
I always called him Mr Watts.
598
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,200
# I'm just waiting on a friend... #
599
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,320
Every customer has their own
paper pattern, and most customers
600
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,880
have a suit pattern, maybe
an overcoat pattern or something.
601
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,240
Testament to Charles's
eclectic wardrobe,
602
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,160
there's a big bundle of patterns
on Charlie's hook.
603
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,240
ARCHIVE: A gentleman's tailor
is a professional,
604
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:23,680
like a doctor or a solicitor.
605
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,680
If a man wishes to be dressed
correctly, there is only one way,
606
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,360
and that is to patronise
the right tailor.
607
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,280
He had this elegant,
relaxed posture.
608
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,120
He just wanted soft,
flowing garments.
609
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,720
That echoed his personality
in a lot of ways.
610
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,720
He never wanted to stand out.
611
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,040
He was quite an introvert
in a lot of ways.
612
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,120
He had a very good eye for detail.
613
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,920
His eye for colour was great
as well.
614
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,760
He always put things together well.
615
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,520
And sometimes he'd say, "Well,
we'll make that, but we'll make it
616
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,920
"like this," and we'd have
a conversation. And I'd think,
617
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,760
"Really?! Are you sure?"
618
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,240
And then we'd do it
and it would work!
619
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,400
I have this disease...
620
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,320
..that I see a swatch and have
to have a jacket or something.
621
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,080
One of his favourite things was
622
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,840
to go into the basement
in what we call,
623
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,240
ominously, the hanging room.
624
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,000
He'd love to rummage
and find old lengths of cloth
625
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,600
that have been left or forgotten
about, and we'd make something
626
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,960
out of those, and he'd love that.
627
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,720
It comes from my father.
628
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:50,960
Did he have a tailor?
Did he take you to his tailor? Yes.
629
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,000
I thought in those days,
it was normal practice.
630
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,440
So, what did your father look like?
631
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,520
What kind of suit would HE
have chosen?
632
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,360
Actually, very much like I wear.
633
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,680
A lot of what he liked was
late '40s and '50s.
634
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,960
So I live in TCM world, you know,
635
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,760
Turner Classic Movies.
636
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,760
He used to spend a great deal
of time worrying,
637
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,560
fretting about where these clothes
were going to go.
638
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,800
I think he'd try and drop
three of them home
639
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,480
so that his wife didn't see
too many,
640
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,960
but didn't stop him ordering more!
641
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,560
I've got some suits here, actually.
642
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,120
It's a shame
he's never going to see them.
643
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,400
But he tried them and he liked them.
644
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,160
LAUGHS: So that was good.
645
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,880
DRUMBEAT
646
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,680
Whether it's beats or buttons,
647
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,160
designing a suit or
laying down a drum track,
648
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,320
for Charlie, it's all about feel.
649
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,320
He was quite forward-thinking
650
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,320
and he listened to a lot of
different kinds of music.
651
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,360
In the early days,
when we were doing
652
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,680
the Exile On Main Street record,
653
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,000
everyone else was listening
to Jerry Lee Lewis, still.
654
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,720
We were listening to, like,
dub reggae.
655
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,960
He was a WAY better drummer
technically
656
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,760
than anyone ever suspected.
657
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,800
In 1996, we were trying
to make some loops,
658
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,800
we were going to mess around
with drum loops.
659
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,640
So we sent Charlie out in a room,
660
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,040
he put on headphones...
661
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,520
..and we played
The Chronic - Dr Dre.
662
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,240
He played those beats,
never flammed once.
663
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,760
He was perfectly on it.
664
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,640
He could be a perfectly
time-corrected drummer
665
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,600
if he so chose to be.
666
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,240
But he didn't, cos he knew that
that would be utterly soulless.
667
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,160
Consider the variety of music
the Stones have covered, in the way
668
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,800
Mick and Keith have written
over the years, and he's covered
669
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,160
every aspect of what they wanted
to do in his sleep.
670
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,000
The Rolling Stones have always been
musical chameleons,
671
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,160
with a keen ear for trends,
672
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,880
changing their colours to suit
the cultural landscape.
673
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,520
Charlie liked all kinds of dance
music, so when the dance music craze
674
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,560
kind of took off in the mid-'70s,
Charlie was really into that.
675
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,040
It's like we talked about before,
676
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,400
it's...it's all about beats.
677
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,880
MUSIC: Disco Inferno
by The Trammps
678
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,320
It's the beats of the New York
dance floor that influenced
679
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,880
the Rolling Stones'
next new direction.
680
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,520
ARCHIVE: It's 3.00 in the morning
in Manhattan,
681
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,840
and still at Studio 54,
682
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,160
people crowd the doors
hoping to get in.
683
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,760
Disco is exploding, and many
of the huge hits heard in clubs
684
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,600
are driven by legendary drummer
Earl Young,
685
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,720
pioneer of the "Four on the floor"
disco beat.
686
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,680
I guess he probably heard something
that I did, and he said,
687
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,560
"Well, look, I can play that!
688
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,800
"I'm going to put that
on one of OUR records."
689
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:53,440
He got into the four on the floor
and got the Philly sound there!
690
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,280
I said, "Jeez, I should be on there
playing that song, man!"
691
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,400
Got that groove...
# Dun-dun, da-na-na-na... #
692
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,880
And yet they rocked with
their dance groove, too.
693
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,720
Most of the time in a rock band,
it's music for dancing,
694
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,520
and so, if you like dancing...
695
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,480
..which, Charlie was actually
a rather good dancer.
696
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,600
So it's all to do with dancing.
697
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,840
Miss You introduces the Stones
to a new audience and keeps them
698
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,480
relevant as a new decade approaches.
699
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,480
For a blues band
with a jazz drummer,
700
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,080
they're not a bad disco act.
701
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,920
When you really understand
music in general,
702
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,200
whether it's improvisational
like jazz or, you know,
703
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,400
a three-minute rock record,
it's all the same.
704
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,240
You just take that sensibility and
ply it to the song that's presented.
705
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,840
Charlie was the master of that.
706
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,880
Miss You is recorded for the album
Some Girls, released in 1978...
707
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,600
..and, as ever, Charlie's drumming
is the essential ingredient,
708
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,240
holding it all together.
709
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,080
But behind the scenes,
their Mr Reliable
710
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,560
is having an
uncharacteristic wobble.
711
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,680
MUSIC DISTORTS
712
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,440
And I drank a lot.
713
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,120
And then they all go together,
and this is easy life to get...
714
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,120
..hooked up in, doing this,
you know?
715
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,440
Especially if you're lucky to be
in a position I'm in.
716
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,520
I mean, you can sit here
and have anything fed to you, right?
717
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,920
If you wanted that sort of life,
it wouldn't last long,
718
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,760
but you could sort of get into that.
719
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,800
I took a lot of drugs
late in life...
720
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,920
..and didn't do it very well,
721
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,680
so I nearly lost a marriage
and my life.
722
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,480
MUSIC: Down In The Hole
by The Rolling Stones
723
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:27,400
In the mid-'80s, I used to go out
at night, and it was ridiculous.
724
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,040
It was a life of a junkie.
725
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,240
But how did you manage to resist it
early on for all those years?
726
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,040
I don't know, it was never something
I wanted to do
727
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,840
and it was always around me,
but I just wasn't interested.
728
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,880
And then I got a kind of mid-life
crisis and became this other person.
729
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,720
Charlie can never really explain
what brings on his midlife crisis.
730
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:10,480
Maybe it's personal.
731
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,000
Or maybe it's just
the Stones themselves,
732
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,120
who famously aren't getting along
at the time.
733
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,720
Or perhaps he's emulating
his jazz heroes for whom heroin
734
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,960
had been a handmaiden.
735
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,200
Parker is the classic one.
736
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,960
You know, to be that brilliant
and that destructive -
737
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,040
there's something terribly glamorous
to me about being like that,
738
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,680
you know?
739
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,520
It's just the genius, really,
of it all.
740
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,800
Whatever the cause...
741
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,320
..salvation comes from
the unlikeliest of places.
742
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,120
I told him that...
"It's just not you, Charlie!"
743
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,080
And also, you know, the main thing
that really worried me
744
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,760
about Charlie at that point
was his drinking.
745
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,880
He was drinking like heavy-duty,
you know, cognac and other stuff.
746
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,480
And Charlie Watts started
blowing up...
747
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,480
So if he was dabbling with other
stuff, I didn't really mind,
748
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,840
it was the booze that needed to...
749
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,880
Some people are just,
they're perfect as they are.
750
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,320
They don't need stimulants,
they don't need...
751
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:25,360
Us...unfortunate imperfections,
you know, hell, we need help.
752
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Charlie Watts didn't need any.
753
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,720
He was immaculate...
An immaculate conception.
754
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,040
Bless his heart.
755
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:43,200
Keith telling me this, and it stuck,
and I just stopped.
756
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,240
While Charlie was hooked
on heroin,
757
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:51,680
his first addiction remained
the strongest - jazz.
758
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,640
And it's time to make
a long-held fantasy a reality.
759
00:49:58,240 --> 00:49:59,560
Let's stay leisurely now.
760
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,320
Final rehearsals were under way
at Ronnie Scott's club
761
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,520
in London today.
762
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,480
It's the Charlie Watts Big Band
763
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,960
in rehearsal for their debut
next week.
764
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,760
Some 33 musicians have joined forces
to bring back that feeling
765
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,480
of the Benny Goodman era.
766
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,400
He was a great supporter of
Ronnie Scott's club
767
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,360
and he wanted to give
something back.
768
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,000
The club was going through a bit
of a difficult time at that point,
769
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,720
financially,
and was in danger of closing.
770
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,520
I said that I would bring a band in.
771
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,440
They could keep the proceeds.
772
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,280
He gave that gig to the club.
773
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,320
The musicians represent some of
the biggest names in jazz and rock
774
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,000
in Britain today, alongside
some newer musicians.
775
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,440
# Once I was
a sentimental thing... #
776
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,640
One of those up-and-coming musicians
777
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,200
is David Bowie's long-time
collaborator, Gail Ann Dorsey.
778
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,680
# Now a spring romance... #
779
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,320
This was Charlie Watts from
The Rolling Stones, which is
780
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,520
one of my favourite bands ever.
781
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,280
I just remember him being just
kind of the normal guy, down the pub
782
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,840
kind of guy. I think he was just
so happy to be playing jazz.
783
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,120
# All I've got to show's
a splinter... #
784
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,880
One position filled...
785
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,920
..that only leaves the other 32.
786
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,840
So I drew a list up of people,
and I thought, "Who would I like?"
787
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,800
Jack Bruce from Cream...
788
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,800
..Stan Tracey, the legendary
jazz pianist...
789
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,720
..and the young prodigy
Courtney Pine on saxophone.
790
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,960
I met Charlie and he looks over
to me and he said,
791
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,480
"Yeah, have a good time."
792
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,440
And I just remember it being
an incredible experience.
793
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,240
I'd never been on stage
with people like that.
794
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,360
It was just an outstanding
conceptual idea for jazz big band,
795
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,680
which I don't think had ever been
done before.
796
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,560
GAIL ANN DORSEY: Each night before
the show, I would be sort of
797
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,240
peering out, going, "Oh, my God,
who is walking through the door?"
798
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,920
Like, each night, there was someone
else famous. It was crazy.
799
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,280
Chrissie Hynde and Gil Scott-Heron,
and all of the Stones came.
800
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,440
David Bowie came, in fact.
801
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,440
And I actually asked him,
"Did you remember that was me
802
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,240
"that was singing with Charlie Watts
Big Band?!"
803
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,560
I know Charlie's mum
and MY mum came down.
804
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,840
CHUCKLING
805
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,320
Charlie got a limousine and came
to the club, saw the first set,
806
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,200
and then went home in the car again!
807
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,880
I just remember him smiling a lot.
LAUGHS
808
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,400
I think in his head, he was like,
"Yeah, I'm..."
809
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,600
Yeah, fulfilling something that
he really always wanted to do.
810
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,080
COURTNEY PINE: Smiling,
smiling, smiling.
811
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,000
Cos he realised he was a part
of an amazing creation,
812
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,760
and it really was a turning point
for me, for my career, and for that,
813
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,480
I'll be ever grateful
to Charlie Watts.
814
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,200
The place was packed every night
cos it was Charlie's big band.
815
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,840
Probably did save the club
from closing.
816
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Charlie's big band holiday
reinvigorates him...
817
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,320
..so when his other band get back
on the road...
818
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,240
..there's a renewed sense
of purpose.
819
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:54,160
CHEERING
820
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,640
This is an era when the Stones
fully embrace their billing
821
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,840
as pioneers of stadium rock.
822
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,840
Their tours become
evermore elaborate.
823
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,320
But at the heart of all the
extravagance and innovation,
824
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,360
some things never change.
825
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,440
MUSIC: Start Me Up
by The Rolling Stones
826
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,000
Yeah!
827
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,800
# If you start me up
828
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,480
# If you start me up,
I'll never stop... #
829
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,840
BILLY SLOAN: How do you power
the greatest rock and roll band
830
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,880
in the world with what looks like
a starter drum kit?
831
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,680
Well, I don't know.
832
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,240
All that is is how you set up,
how you play.
833
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,520
And some people need lots of drums.
834
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,480
I mean, a lot of times,
they're just for show.
835
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,800
It's just this old, very sort of
funky little four-piece kit!
836
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,080
And the snare looked like
it was from, like, the '30s.
837
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,600
And I guess he'd been playing that
same snare for God knows how long?
838
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,640
And there just was something
very endearing about the humanity
839
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,800
in his set-up for this massive
production that was going on.
840
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,840
It stuck with me.
841
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,000
The mystery inspired me, I think,
with Charlie,
842
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,800
because he's such a laid back,
well-dressed gentleman,
843
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,840
always going...like that.
844
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,080
Then it's like a firework explosion
when he plays the drums
845
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,960
with no effort, you know?
846
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,520
It was the most amazing feeling
to have him behind you
847
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,240
in the engine room.
848
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,600
Youngsters like me, we like to have
a lot of things to bang on.
849
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,440
With Charlie, his fundamental
purpose on the planet was groove,
850
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,720
and he had all the equipment
he needed
851
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:47,600
to do just that and no more.
852
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,840
Most drummers, when they get
into a big rock and roll band
853
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,160
and they're playing stadiums,
they get the kit
854
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,320
the size of the stage. Charlie
never changed anything at all.
855
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,520
He started with four drums
and I'm pretty sure
856
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,440
that's how he ended up!
857
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,520
It was an amazing thing...
858
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,480
..to drive the Stones like he did.
859
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,440
From his very first gig
with the Rolling Stones in '63...
860
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,200
..to his last-ever show
58 years later,
861
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,240
Charlie is the calm,
reassuring presence at the back,
862
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:30,560
holding it all together.
863
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,920
CHEERING
864
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,920
# Ole, ole, ole
865
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,560
# Charlie, Charlie. #
866
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,440
With the embodiment of rock and roll
to the left of him
867
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,320
and a truly global superstar
to the right,
868
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:53,640
Charlie is stuck in the middle,
physically and emotionally.
869
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,880
But with his grounded, no-nonsense
approach to fame and rock and roll,
870
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,040
he was and is still
the soul of the band.
871
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,840
Charlie was that silent leader,
872
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,440
the elder that'll knock you in
the nose if you say the wrong word.
873
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,800
But on the other hand,
there's nobody
874
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,640
that you'd rather have by your side.
875
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,280
You never saw Charlie ruffled.
876
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,240
And when the two of them,
when they get ruffled,
877
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,880
Charlie smiles. He sits back there
and looks at them,
878
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:35,160
and says, "Oh, for God's sakes,
Bernard, what are they on about?"
879
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,920
He was the equaliser.
880
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,720
He was a very safe haven
881
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,400
in a complicated group of people.
882
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,880
Charlie was the rock and they both
loved him and he loved both of them,
883
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,320
and he's apolitical.
884
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,000
BERNARD FOWLER: Charlie speaks,
they BOTH listen.
885
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,480
Whether it goes to the Mick side
or the Keith side,
886
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,520
Charlie will decide that.
Charlie will decide that.
887
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,160
I miss that cat.
888
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:17,480
He famously had a little coat hanger
on a stand that you get in hotels,
889
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,920
and that's where he would hang
his jacket,
890
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,560
and hanging over the coat stand was
a sign that said "Open" or "Closed".
891
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,080
And when Charlie was playing
the drums, it would say "Open".
892
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,720
And when he wasn't,
it would say "Closed".
893
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,080
And the only person who changed it
was Charlie.
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