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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,140 --> 00:00:06,500 ARCHIVE: A matter of seconds now 2 00:00:03,140 --> 00:00:06,500 and they'll be on stage, 3 00:00:06,500 --> 00:00:08,140 and just listen to that audience. 4 00:00:08,140 --> 00:00:10,500 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 5 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:13,700 Ladies and gentlemen, will you please welcome, 6 00:00:13,700 --> 00:00:15,220 The Rolling Stones! 7 00:00:16,820 --> 00:00:18,860 RONNIE: I was lured... 8 00:00:18,860 --> 00:00:20,660 ..just into the atmosphere. 9 00:00:21,820 --> 00:00:24,140 And that was it, it changed my life. 10 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:29,220 MUSIC: (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones 11 00:00:32,540 --> 00:00:36,060 NARRATOR: The Rolling Stones exploded into the '60s, 12 00:00:36,060 --> 00:00:38,580 transforming everything they touched... 13 00:00:38,580 --> 00:00:43,820 # I can't get no satisfaction... # 14 00:00:43,820 --> 00:00:48,220 ..including a teenage boy called Ronnie Wood. 15 00:00:48,220 --> 00:00:52,220 RONNIE: I was so taken aback with the movement and the music, 16 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:55,020 which is so infectious, and the girls were incredible. 17 00:00:56,940 --> 00:01:01,860 He watched them become the greatest rock and roll band in the world. 18 00:01:01,860 --> 00:01:05,500 I was standing before my future! 19 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:10,100 Yeah, I was standing before what I wanted to do. 20 00:01:13,260 --> 00:01:14,660 "This looks like a good job." 21 00:01:14,660 --> 00:01:18,700 You know, it's the greatest job you could possibly have. 22 00:01:22,940 --> 00:01:26,420 And I thought, "One day I'll be in that band." 23 00:01:26,420 --> 00:01:28,940 This is a story about destiny, 24 00:01:28,940 --> 00:01:32,140 about how one moment set Ronnie Wood on a path 25 00:01:32,140 --> 00:01:34,260 that would change not only HIS life, 26 00:01:34,260 --> 00:01:37,380 but those of the band that started it all. 27 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:42,060 KEITH RICHARDS: Ronnie has always, 28 00:01:42,060 --> 00:01:43,300 or so he tells me, 29 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:46,060 knew that he was going to be in The Rolling Stones! 30 00:01:46,060 --> 00:01:47,820 CHUCKLES 31 00:01:47,820 --> 00:01:49,820 MICK JAGGER: And on guitar, 32 00:01:49,820 --> 00:01:54,060 Ronnie Wood! 33 00:01:54,060 --> 00:01:56,540 Right from the get go, right from... 34 00:01:56,540 --> 00:01:58,620 "Ladies and gentlemen," 35 00:01:58,620 --> 00:02:02,580 you know, "the greatest rock and roll band in the world, 36 00:02:02,580 --> 00:02:04,740 "The Rolling Stones!" Boom! 37 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:06,980 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 38 00:02:24,940 --> 00:02:28,660 Deep in leafy Richmond, on a bend in the River Thames, 39 00:02:28,660 --> 00:02:32,580 stands a house that is the centre of the London rock scene. 40 00:02:35,380 --> 00:02:40,140 It's called The Wick, and it belongs to Mr Ronnie Wood, 41 00:02:40,140 --> 00:02:42,220 lead guitarist of The Faces. 42 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:45,780 KEITH: We were all well aware of Ronnie Wood. 43 00:02:47,260 --> 00:02:50,220 MICK: He lived in a very nice house in Richmond 44 00:02:50,220 --> 00:02:52,020 with a beautiful view. 45 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:03,220 The penny went further in those days. 46 00:03:04,620 --> 00:03:09,660 I went in and I saw these beautiful fireplaces and beautiful oval rooms, 47 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:12,620 and I went beyond my means to get it, of course. 48 00:03:12,620 --> 00:03:15,420 I sort of... I didn't have the money for it at all, 49 00:03:15,420 --> 00:03:16,820 and I just bluffed my way in 50 00:03:16,820 --> 00:03:18,900 and suddenly I got The Wick. 51 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:21,100 You know, he's never been one 52 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:23,420 to look at the financial side. 53 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:26,540 Ronnie's Ronnie, he's care-free. Proper old bohemian, he is. 54 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:28,140 CHUCKLES 55 00:03:30,900 --> 00:03:33,980 He's a really original guitar player. 56 00:03:33,980 --> 00:03:36,220 Mick and Keith were big fans of The Faces. 57 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:39,860 In fact, I remember taking Mick to see The Faces play... 58 00:03:39,860 --> 00:03:43,460 ..can't remember if it was The Rainbow on the North Circular. 59 00:03:43,460 --> 00:03:45,580 I remember him wanging on in the car on the way back 60 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:47,820 about how marvellous they were. 61 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:51,980 Ronnie and I were very tight in the early '70s. 62 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:54,660 We did a couple of albums with Ronnie, 63 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:57,460 living at his house free of charge. 64 00:03:57,460 --> 00:03:59,140 Very nice. Thanks, Ron. 65 00:03:59,140 --> 00:04:03,180 Keith had moved in after his own house Redlands burned down, 66 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:06,140 only confirming The Wick as THE place to be. 67 00:04:10,820 --> 00:04:14,860 And everyone that came round would be in the snooker room with me. 68 00:04:14,860 --> 00:04:16,340 That's where the conversation was. 69 00:04:16,340 --> 00:04:18,380 That's where plans were made. 70 00:04:18,380 --> 00:04:20,740 That's where jokes were told. 71 00:04:20,740 --> 00:04:23,420 That's where stories were told. 72 00:04:23,420 --> 00:04:26,580 ROD: It was like one big pub that anybody could go to at any time. 73 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:29,380 It did get a little out of hand sometimes, you know, 74 00:04:29,380 --> 00:04:31,620 there's just too many people staying overnight, 75 00:04:31,620 --> 00:04:33,060 sleeping on the floor. 76 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:35,700 But some great music was made in that studio. 77 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:39,580 One of the first things Ronnie does when he buys The Wick 78 00:04:39,580 --> 00:04:42,900 is to turn the basement into a recording studio. 79 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:44,420 ARCHIVE: Is the sound recording? 80 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:46,620 Yeah. Eh! 81 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,060 When I was making my first album, 82 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:52,860 there were so many musicians coming and going. 83 00:04:52,860 --> 00:04:54,980 Paul would just come down and stay or something. 84 00:04:54,980 --> 00:04:57,620 Linda! And suddenly George is there. 85 00:04:57,620 --> 00:05:00,740 And Gregg Allman coming out of the shadows. 86 00:05:00,740 --> 00:05:01,780 You're like "ah!" 87 00:05:01,780 --> 00:05:05,060 You name it. There's Keith Moon and Ringo on the drums, 88 00:05:05,060 --> 00:05:07,420 and there would be Jim Capaldi there, 89 00:05:07,420 --> 00:05:09,020 all these different drummers, 90 00:05:09,020 --> 00:05:12,340 all queuing up, all just waiting for a chance to play 91 00:05:12,340 --> 00:05:14,140 on the next song. 92 00:05:14,140 --> 00:05:17,780 So, like, all this gathering of different musicians, 93 00:05:17,780 --> 00:05:19,940 and it was a real buzz in the air. 94 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:23,260 Even Mick likes to drop by, 95 00:05:23,260 --> 00:05:25,660 usually finding Ronnie in the studio. 96 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:29,780 He's making some sort of solo record. 97 00:05:29,780 --> 00:05:33,540 And I used to go in there and play guitar and do demos. 98 00:05:33,540 --> 00:05:35,100 He'd always have a song, Mick. 99 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:36,700 We started playing around... 100 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:39,100 # If I should stick my pen in my heart... # 101 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:41,300 You know, we're writing the verses and stuff 102 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:44,540 but I was writing I Can Feel The Fire. 103 00:05:44,540 --> 00:05:46,940 And I said, "Will you sing on this with me, Mick?" 104 00:05:46,940 --> 00:05:48,580 You know, "I've already got the track." 105 00:05:48,580 --> 00:05:50,300 He's going, "Yeah, come on." 106 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:53,940 # I can feel the fire, burning and burning. # 107 00:05:53,940 --> 00:05:55,460 Anyway, so we had that going, 108 00:05:55,460 --> 00:05:58,060 and in between songs we'd work on this other song, 109 00:05:58,060 --> 00:05:59,820 It's Only Rock 'N' Roll. 110 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:04,100 Once he built the studio, 111 00:06:04,100 --> 00:06:05,420 I gave him a drum kit. 112 00:06:05,420 --> 00:06:07,020 I think it's the worst thing I ever did. 113 00:06:07,020 --> 00:06:09,220 ARCHIVE: Will we go for a take? 114 00:06:09,220 --> 00:06:10,660 Here we go. 115 00:06:10,660 --> 00:06:13,460 We'd worn out Andy Newmark, the drummer. 116 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:16,460 He'd gone to sleep upstairs and we wanted to cut the track. 117 00:06:16,460 --> 00:06:18,860 So I said, "I know, Kenney Jones will do it." 118 00:06:18,860 --> 00:06:20,260 So I rang up Kenney. 119 00:06:21,300 --> 00:06:24,260 He always called up when I'd got one foot in the bed. 120 00:06:24,260 --> 00:06:26,300 You know, "Mick's here, David, blah, blah, blah." 121 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:28,260 And he said, "I'll be right there." 122 00:06:30,580 --> 00:06:32,940 And, of course, I've had a drink. 123 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:35,540 So I got really carefully avoiding all the police. 124 00:06:37,180 --> 00:06:39,340 So, about an hour later, he arrives. 125 00:06:39,340 --> 00:06:41,140 So we were playing away. 126 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:43,020 By this time, it's about three in the morning. 127 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:46,540 And we're working on this song, just jamming away. 128 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:50,940 So it was Willie Weeks on bass, Kenney on drums, 129 00:06:50,940 --> 00:06:53,340 and then David Bowie saying, 130 00:06:53,340 --> 00:06:55,100 "It's only rock 'n' roll..." 131 00:06:55,100 --> 00:06:57,260 You know, singing the background vocals. 132 00:06:59,660 --> 00:07:03,340 # If I could win ya, if I could sing ya 133 00:07:03,340 --> 00:07:06,180 # A love song so divine 134 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:10,220 # Would it be enough for your cheating heart 135 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:12,100 # If I broke down and cried? # 136 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:13,180 It's just a demo, 137 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:15,700 but when Mick tries to re-record It's Only Rock 'N' Roll 138 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:19,860 with The Stones, they can't recreate the magic of The Wick, 139 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:23,860 so the band decide to keep the original tracks. 140 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:26,900 Mick had taken it over to Island Studios 141 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:28,780 and was starting to mix it. 142 00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:31,420 ARCHIVE: How loud are you on it? Here we go. 143 00:07:31,420 --> 00:07:35,380 And he said, "I've got Keith down to put his parts on." 144 00:07:35,380 --> 00:07:38,140 And Keith said, "Yes, I've taken the precaution 145 00:07:38,140 --> 00:07:40,060 "of wiping all your guitar parts," 146 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:42,820 and I said, "Oh, thanks a lot, Keith." 147 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:46,060 I said, "But you missed one. You've left my 12 string on there." 148 00:07:46,060 --> 00:07:47,860 And he went... "Argh." 149 00:07:47,860 --> 00:07:53,100 # I know it's only rock 'n' roll but I like it 150 00:07:55,020 --> 00:07:59,700 # I know it's only rock 'n' roll but I like it, like it... # 151 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:02,620 It's Ronnie's first appearance on a Stones recording, 152 00:08:02,620 --> 00:08:05,500 but he quickly realises he isn't about to get 153 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,820 a Jagger-Wood writing credit. 154 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:11,540 Mick said, "I'll tell you what, you keep I Can Feel the Fire," 155 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:14,940 which, you know, skyrocketed to oblivion, in Keith's words, 156 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:17,020 "and I'll keep It's Only Rock 'N' Roll." 157 00:08:17,020 --> 00:08:18,780 You know? And I went "O...K..." 158 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:24,660 The single eventually reaches the Top 10 in the UK, 159 00:08:24,660 --> 00:08:27,780 but Ronnie has his eyes on a bigger prize. 160 00:08:27,780 --> 00:08:30,660 I still have my sights on The Stones 161 00:08:30,660 --> 00:08:33,820 and stepping stones towards The Stones. 162 00:08:33,820 --> 00:08:37,220 But in the meantime, there's plenty of fun to be had 163 00:08:37,220 --> 00:08:40,260 out on the road with The Faces. 164 00:08:40,260 --> 00:08:43,740 Music: Stay With Me by The Faces 165 00:08:45,780 --> 00:08:46,900 We were a party band 166 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:48,580 cos we were all drinking. 167 00:08:48,580 --> 00:08:50,300 So we were always in a bloody good mood 168 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:51,540 all the time - 169 00:08:51,540 --> 00:08:53,420 sometimes too much of a good mood. 170 00:08:55,940 --> 00:08:59,900 The Faces had caught the tailwind of that first British Invasion, 171 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:02,140 and they're on a world tour, 172 00:09:02,140 --> 00:09:03,940 to a rapturous reception. 173 00:09:03,940 --> 00:09:06,060 The crowd had never seen anything like this, 174 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:09,660 especially me and Woody coming in with our crushed velvet trousers, 175 00:09:09,660 --> 00:09:12,260 big crosses, bouffant hair and a little bit of make-up. 176 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:15,020 "What is all this?!" 177 00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:20,300 You know, the hairstyles of The Faces alone just slayed me. 178 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:22,860 I couldn't separate the look and the vibe from how raw 179 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:24,500 and sexy their music was. 180 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:26,100 They turned me on. 181 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:28,260 The whole audience were full of colour. 182 00:09:28,260 --> 00:09:30,140 It was like a party. 183 00:09:30,140 --> 00:09:31,620 It's like you're one of the audience 184 00:09:31,620 --> 00:09:33,020 while you're playing to 'em. 185 00:09:33,020 --> 00:09:35,740 # In the morning don't say you love me... # 186 00:09:35,740 --> 00:09:38,020 There was people sitting up on the stage with us, 187 00:09:38,020 --> 00:09:40,220 and we never used to think anything of it. 188 00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:43,060 Well, I fell in the audience on the last American tour, 189 00:09:43,060 --> 00:09:44,780 seemed to go down all right. 190 00:09:44,780 --> 00:09:47,460 Mind you, I've always had a few before I go on. 191 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:49,940 Number one is learn how to laugh at yourself. 192 00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:54,460 Because if you don't know how to do that, you are in shtook, mate. 193 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:56,900 It was all about fun in The Faces 194 00:09:56,900 --> 00:10:01,100 cos we so enjoyed each other's company and each other's playing. 195 00:10:04,460 --> 00:10:07,300 On one of the early tours of The Faces, 196 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:10,060 we all got given Super 8 cameras. 197 00:10:10,060 --> 00:10:12,940 We used to film each other all the time. 198 00:10:12,940 --> 00:10:17,380 You know, we were like putting on a show, really, to each other. 199 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:20,020 # I guess you're a mean old Jezebel 200 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:23,980 # Let's go upstairs and read my tarot cards... # 201 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:27,220 Hey, baby! Yeah! 202 00:10:27,220 --> 00:10:30,220 # Stay with me Stay with me... # 203 00:10:30,220 --> 00:10:34,180 ARCHIVE: The Faces, Rod Stewart, lead singer in his Marcos. 204 00:10:34,180 --> 00:10:36,900 Ron Wood, lead guitar, with their ladies. 205 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:39,340 I thought if I save up, buy myself a sports car, 206 00:10:39,340 --> 00:10:41,380 I'll be able to get a nice girlfriend, 207 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:44,340 and then it will all be over, cos it won't last long. 208 00:10:44,340 --> 00:10:47,460 We didn't know where music or rock and roll was going to go. 209 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:56,740 MICK: And I still think that you guys who have got a little bit more 210 00:10:56,740 --> 00:10:59,180 to do should go first, but we're all in a band. 211 00:10:59,180 --> 00:11:03,060 The Rolling Stones also face an uncertain future. 212 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:05,300 Off the road for well over a year, 213 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:07,020 and strung-out on drugs, 214 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:08,980 a fog hangs over the band. 215 00:11:10,180 --> 00:11:11,980 ARCHIVE: What do you see as the future now? 216 00:11:11,980 --> 00:11:13,460 I don't know, really. 217 00:11:13,460 --> 00:11:14,660 I have no idea. 218 00:11:14,660 --> 00:11:17,860 I don't know what to do until we come to it, really. 219 00:11:17,860 --> 00:11:20,420 I just... I can't even think about what I'm doing tomorrow. 220 00:11:20,420 --> 00:11:22,540 And I know I've got to go to London. 221 00:11:22,540 --> 00:11:27,500 But that's the extent of my being able to look into the future. 222 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:39,460 MUSIC: Angie 223 00:11:52,380 --> 00:11:54,380 # Angie 224 00:11:55,940 --> 00:11:57,620 # Angie 225 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:03,940 # When will those clouds all disappear? # 226 00:12:05,180 --> 00:12:10,340 By now, Ronnie is firmly part of The Stones' social scene, 227 00:12:10,340 --> 00:12:13,020 and fate provides him with a ringside seat 228 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:16,620 for a defining moment in the band's history. 229 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:22,980 I was sitting on this sofa in the middle. 230 00:12:22,980 --> 00:12:26,900 Mick Jagger was here and Mick Taylor was here. 231 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:32,900 # You can't say we're satisfied... # 232 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:35,980 25-year-old guitar virtuoso Mick Taylor 233 00:12:35,980 --> 00:12:40,420 had replaced founding member Brian Jones in 1969. 234 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:43,460 I'll never forget it. 235 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:46,260 You know, we were all having a chat and a drink and then at one point, 236 00:12:46,260 --> 00:12:48,860 Taylor leans over to Jagger and says, 237 00:12:48,860 --> 00:12:50,420 "I'm leaving the band. 238 00:12:50,420 --> 00:12:52,740 "I'm leaving right now." 239 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:56,260 To outsiders, it seemed like a strange moment to quit. 240 00:12:56,260 --> 00:12:59,980 The band have just had one of the greatest runs in rock history, 241 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:01,660 releasing Let It Bleed, 242 00:13:01,660 --> 00:13:05,540 Sticky Fingers and Exile On Main St. 243 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:09,940 But behind the scenes, Mick Taylor is struggling with heroin addiction 244 00:13:09,940 --> 00:13:13,020 and life as a Rolling Stone is starting to wear thin. 245 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:16,700 Personally, do you find that The Stones give 246 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:19,180 all the musical outlets you'd like to have? 247 00:13:19,180 --> 00:13:20,860 Oh, no. No. 248 00:13:20,860 --> 00:13:22,500 There's lots of other things 249 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:24,340 I'd like to do, with other people, 250 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:27,900 and I will do when I get the opportunity. 251 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:31,780 It is frustrating on an individual level, 252 00:13:31,780 --> 00:13:36,340 but I think it is for everybody who's a part of a group, you know. 253 00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:39,660 After years of relentless touring and recording, 254 00:13:39,660 --> 00:13:42,220 cracks are starting to appear. 255 00:13:42,220 --> 00:13:44,220 The Stones are now tax exiles, 256 00:13:44,220 --> 00:13:47,860 and on top of that, they're banned from touring in Japan, 257 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:50,340 Australia and North America. 258 00:13:50,340 --> 00:13:53,940 In France, there's even a warrant out for Keith's arrest. 259 00:13:58,460 --> 00:14:01,460 TRANSLATED FROM FRENCH: 260 00:14:20,180 --> 00:14:21,580 # Angie 261 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:26,060 # Angie 262 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:32,380 # Ain't it time we said goodbye? # 263 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:35,700 We were all still roaming around the world trying to find 264 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:37,660 which bit that we liked. 265 00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:41,020 We were strictly really exiles for real now, 266 00:14:41,020 --> 00:14:43,100 you know, and everybody... 267 00:14:43,100 --> 00:14:46,940 So it was very difficult to communicate with each other. 268 00:14:46,940 --> 00:14:49,900 # Angie... # 269 00:14:51,180 --> 00:14:55,460 Oh, God. I think everyone was taking far too many drugs then. 270 00:14:56,940 --> 00:15:01,020 The band should be going into fucking rehab, like, for a year. 271 00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:02,940 All of them, including me. 272 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:05,220 # Angie 273 00:15:05,220 --> 00:15:10,140 # They can't say we never tried. # 274 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:11,820 But, you know... 275 00:15:11,820 --> 00:15:13,620 You take the rough with the smooth. 276 00:15:18,780 --> 00:15:20,180 Back at the party, 277 00:15:20,180 --> 00:15:23,780 the impact of Mick Taylor quitting hits home. 278 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:26,540 And Mick said, "I think he was serious," 279 00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:28,780 and I said, "I think he was, too." 280 00:15:28,780 --> 00:15:31,420 And he said, "What am I going to do?" 281 00:15:31,420 --> 00:15:34,580 And I said, "I don't know, Mick, what do you reckon?" 282 00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:37,100 And he said, "Would YOU join?" 283 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:39,860 And I went, "I thought you'd never ask," you know! 284 00:15:39,860 --> 00:15:41,540 It was so funny. 285 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:44,300 He said, "But you're already in a band, aren't you?" 286 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:55,260 It was a big choice for Ronnie cos Ronnie was in several bands. 287 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:57,100 Ronnie's been in quite a few bands. 288 00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:59,500 I said, "Well, I don't want to split The Faces up," 289 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:02,300 I said, "but, look, 290 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:07,460 "if you get desperate, call me up." 291 00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:13,540 The day before we started Black And Blue, 292 00:16:13,540 --> 00:16:16,020 Mick Taylor decided to leave the band. 293 00:16:16,020 --> 00:16:18,620 So we all met at Heathrow to go to Germany 294 00:16:18,620 --> 00:16:21,340 to make the record, to start the record. 295 00:16:21,340 --> 00:16:24,420 While we was there, they auditioned all kinds of guitar players. 296 00:16:24,420 --> 00:16:26,700 They actually drove me nuts. I'd have to, you know... 297 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:29,020 I'd be sitting there and waiting to get on with it 298 00:16:29,020 --> 00:16:32,460 and they'd be auditioning some bloody guitar player from Timbuktu. 299 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:33,660 I don't know. 300 00:16:33,660 --> 00:16:36,540 The music press lights up with speculation 301 00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:39,460 over who might become the next Rolling Stone. 302 00:16:41,380 --> 00:16:42,940 Un probleme? 303 00:17:07,980 --> 00:17:09,500 Jeff Beck was checked in there 304 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:12,940 and Steve Marriott was a contender as well. 305 00:17:12,940 --> 00:17:14,820 They said, "Who could be in The Stones?" 306 00:17:14,820 --> 00:17:16,940 And I know I was... There was six of us. 307 00:17:16,940 --> 00:17:18,660 Ry Cooder was one. 308 00:17:18,660 --> 00:17:22,340 Mick, who played with David Bowie, was put up. 309 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:26,100 Me. I was at least recognised as being maybe someone 310 00:17:26,100 --> 00:17:28,100 who could be in that band. 311 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:29,540 Well, for a while there 312 00:17:29,540 --> 00:17:31,140 I was hoping the phone would ring 313 00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:32,580 and it would be The Stones. 314 00:17:32,580 --> 00:17:34,660 I think all of us guitar players did. 315 00:17:34,660 --> 00:17:37,180 Waddy Wachtel did, for sure. 316 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:42,220 One man down, the band decide to use the auditions 317 00:17:42,220 --> 00:17:44,940 to fill in the missing parts on the album. 318 00:17:46,540 --> 00:17:49,220 First of all, we try people out. 319 00:17:49,220 --> 00:17:52,260 A long process. I want to talk about all these other people. 320 00:17:52,260 --> 00:17:57,060 They're mad. We had a proper, organised kind of try to find people 321 00:17:57,060 --> 00:18:00,340 and they appear on the album. 322 00:18:00,340 --> 00:18:03,060 With a huge American tour on the horizon, 323 00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:04,820 and the auditions a bust, 324 00:18:04,820 --> 00:18:07,060 Mick decides to call in a favour. 325 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:14,860 I was on my deathbed in LA. I was really ill. 326 00:18:14,860 --> 00:18:18,220 I couldn't move. And the phone rings and it's Mick and he says, 327 00:18:18,220 --> 00:18:20,620 "Morning. I'm desperate. I need you." 328 00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:23,420 You know, like, and I was going "All right!" 329 00:18:23,420 --> 00:18:27,340 Ronnie lands in Munich and heads straight to Musicland Studios. 330 00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:30,340 The foyer is still packed with other guitarists. 331 00:18:30,340 --> 00:18:33,620 They said, OK, you're in the studio at 2:00, you know, whatever. 332 00:18:33,620 --> 00:18:37,420 So I just walked in and I said, "Hey, guys, I've got this song." 333 00:18:37,420 --> 00:18:39,660 MUSIC: Hey Negrita by The Rolling Stones 334 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:42,500 I said "it goes like this... Ba-de-de-de..." 335 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:45,220 And Charlie said, "He's only been here five minutes 336 00:18:45,220 --> 00:18:46,980 "and he's bossing us around." 337 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:49,220 Everybody starts to join in, right? 338 00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:54,660 MICK: I had a very good rapport with Ronnie, 339 00:18:54,660 --> 00:18:57,580 you know, when I was just jamming with him. 340 00:18:57,580 --> 00:18:59,460 Mick started shouting "woo!" 341 00:18:59,460 --> 00:19:02,660 Singing, and he put some words to it. 342 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:11,700 # Shake lady, way down south... # 343 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:15,460 And I'm thinking, "Man, this is the guy." 344 00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:21,740 I've already been working with him, we're already, you know, simpatico. 345 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:26,620 # Hey Negrita, hey now... # 346 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:31,340 Woo! 347 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:38,300 Well, I mean, we'd all played together a lot before, 348 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:42,020 we knew each other. So that made it quite easy, in a way, 349 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:43,500 to make that choice. 350 00:19:43,500 --> 00:19:47,700 After months of trying out different guitarists, 351 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:49,260 Ronnie fits right in. 352 00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:54,180 I mean, there's not a lot of him, just fit him in anywhere! 353 00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:59,460 It is London, you know, and we'd kind of all known... 354 00:19:59,460 --> 00:20:03,060 I knew him probably better because I'd been recording with him, 355 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:06,940 which made the thing even more, like, obvious. 356 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:10,780 Eventually released on Black And Blue, 357 00:20:10,780 --> 00:20:15,540 the writing credit of Hey Negrita goes to Jagger/Richards, as usual. 358 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:19,980 But this time it also says, "Inspired by Ron Wood." 359 00:20:19,980 --> 00:20:22,420 Somebody else was going to be flying in. 360 00:20:22,420 --> 00:20:24,860 And I said, "Well, cancel them. What's the point?" you know? 361 00:20:24,860 --> 00:20:27,620 And they said, "Yeah, there's no point. 362 00:20:27,620 --> 00:20:30,420 "Looks like we found what we're looking for." You know? 363 00:20:34,420 --> 00:20:36,980 And that is that. 364 00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:39,460 Ronnie's fate is finally sealed. 365 00:20:40,940 --> 00:20:42,580 In a moment of peril, 366 00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:47,460 they didn't really want a preening virtuoso in the band. 367 00:20:47,460 --> 00:20:50,140 Eric said, "I could have had that job." You know? 368 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:52,940 I said, "Eric, but you've got to live with them." 369 00:20:52,940 --> 00:20:54,700 Tune up, room session. 370 00:20:57,220 --> 00:20:59,060 Slate one, take three. 371 00:20:59,060 --> 00:21:00,500 Ow. 372 00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:02,300 Always used to do that. 373 00:21:03,700 --> 00:21:07,380 MUSIC: Start Me Up by The Rolling Stones 374 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:09,820 I knew what I had to do. You know? Even then. 375 00:21:09,820 --> 00:21:12,660 I knew somebody had to kick them up the arse, you know? 376 00:21:12,660 --> 00:21:14,500 And sure enough. 377 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:16,820 Ron's my great mate. 378 00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:19,140 He's a funny fucker. 379 00:21:19,140 --> 00:21:21,580 # If you start me up 380 00:21:21,580 --> 00:21:24,940 # If you start me up, I'll never stop... # 381 00:21:24,940 --> 00:21:27,220 I've got to go on stage in a minute. 382 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:29,340 If I don't get it up, they'll never know it's me. 383 00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:30,980 I mean, Ronnie is one of the greatest 384 00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:32,740 naturally funny people alive. 385 00:21:32,740 --> 00:21:34,860 And, you know, don't take anyone too seriously. 386 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:36,860 Don't take anything too seriously. 387 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:39,020 Ronnie's kind of a mischief maker. 388 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:40,540 You can just tell. 389 00:21:40,540 --> 00:21:43,060 Yeah. You know you're going to have a good time 390 00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:45,380 when Ronnie walks in the room. 391 00:21:45,380 --> 00:21:47,260 He just had that right kind 392 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:49,580 of London atmosphere about him. 393 00:21:49,580 --> 00:21:52,460 He was the perfect fit for The Stones, Ronnie Wood. 394 00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:57,220 He was a very different player to Mick Taylor, 395 00:21:57,220 --> 00:21:59,460 who was this rather... 396 00:21:59,460 --> 00:22:05,380 A brilliant, sort of meticulous blues player. 397 00:22:05,380 --> 00:22:09,660 And Ronnie was more of a good time English band, you know, 398 00:22:09,660 --> 00:22:11,500 rock on, you know? 399 00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:15,340 It's the energy you bring 400 00:22:15,340 --> 00:22:16,900 that makes the difference. 401 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:19,740 Anybody can play it like the record. 402 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:23,580 But when you go on stage and you bring it 403 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:25,860 and the band goes... "Yeah!" 404 00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:28,340 ..because of what you brought, 405 00:22:28,340 --> 00:22:30,340 that's what Ronnie did. 406 00:22:30,340 --> 00:22:32,660 MUSIC: Brown Sugar (live) The Rolling Stones 407 00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:37,860 Ronnie is announced as the new guitarist at a press event 408 00:22:37,860 --> 00:22:40,780 in Manhattan, the launch of The Rolling Stones' 409 00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:43,980 Tour Of The Americas. 410 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:46,100 But unseen by the gathered journalists, 411 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:50,460 the band set up their equipment on the back of a flatbed truck outside. 412 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:53,020 They're about to take the Stones circus 413 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:55,460 to the streets of New York City. 414 00:22:57,860 --> 00:23:00,020 ARCHIVE: It was hard to believe, but there they were, 415 00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:02,460 right smack in the middle of Lower Fifth Avenue. 416 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:07,260 You're suddenly out on the streets 417 00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:09,780 and you're playing fucking live music! 418 00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:11,380 It was crazy. 419 00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:16,380 We had all the press gathered in the restaurant, 420 00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:18,260 and they thought The Stones were going in, 421 00:23:18,260 --> 00:23:20,780 so we just drove by playing Brown Sugar 422 00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:22,060 and they're all there, 423 00:23:22,060 --> 00:23:24,020 running out of the restaurant with their pads. 424 00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:25,380 # Brown Sugar 425 00:23:25,380 --> 00:23:27,140 # How come it tastes so good? # 426 00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:31,260 It's more of a fun thing, I thought. 427 00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:32,980 Not so dangerous. 428 00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:36,460 The feeling was that you were having a good time. 429 00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:38,860 It was a bit of a lark 430 00:23:38,860 --> 00:23:41,900 and I think it was very much the Ronnie thing. 431 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:44,780 You know, every time you change a member of the band, 432 00:23:44,780 --> 00:23:47,740 it's going to take...it's going to take on another characteristic. 433 00:23:47,740 --> 00:23:50,100 And Ronnie was certainly a sense of fun. 434 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,780 He was more of a showman 435 00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:57,340 and I think more of a humourist. 436 00:23:57,340 --> 00:23:59,300 And that really helped. 437 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:05,860 Well, you know, he came from The Faces, where he used to jump about. 438 00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:08,660 Just very funny, because that's what he's like. 439 00:24:08,660 --> 00:24:16,100 And so '75, what he brought was a whole new sense of purpose. 440 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:19,420 We felt a coherence as a band again. 441 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:24,620 I think if you had five Mick and Keiths, 442 00:24:24,620 --> 00:24:26,980 it could have been overload. 443 00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:29,220 You know, you needed that yin and yang. 444 00:24:33,300 --> 00:24:37,100 And so, for me, that's the magic of a band, is the chemistry. 445 00:24:40,820 --> 00:24:42,780 Finally back in their groove, 446 00:24:42,780 --> 00:24:46,260 The Stones set out on a monster 46-show trek 447 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:48,500 across the United States. 448 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:51,820 It was crazy. We'd have Annie Leibovitz following us everywhere, 449 00:24:51,820 --> 00:24:56,340 and there'd be journalists and groupies and madness going on. 450 00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:58,500 All these different cultures. 451 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:00,940 It's just a gathering of people. 452 00:25:00,940 --> 00:25:03,620 So many different personalities. 453 00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:10,660 Ronnie had spent years touring the US with The Faces, 454 00:25:10,660 --> 00:25:15,220 but the sheer scale of a Stones tour is something to behold. 455 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:19,100 The first time I'd met a band with any kind of organisation. 456 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,820 We would get newsletters, we'd know what we were doing, 457 00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:25,740 when we were doing it and we'd know what we were going to be playing. 458 00:25:25,740 --> 00:25:29,220 All the keys of the songs... And all this was foreign to me 459 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:31,980 from The Faces, because I think we might have just 460 00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:35,300 written down a few songs before, like, "let's do this", 461 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:37,140 just before we went on stage. 462 00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:39,820 "Oh, all right, then." You know, "We'll have a go at that." 463 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:42,580 And it was famous, The Faces are going... 464 00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:43,940 "What's next, Ron?" 465 00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:46,300 With me going, "What are we doing next, Ron?" 466 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:53,100 It was so funny to go from that to the organisation of The Stones. 467 00:25:55,860 --> 00:25:59,660 The whirlwind, the hurricane, the tornado, 468 00:25:59,660 --> 00:26:04,300 all the highs of being there and the highs of the dope and the drink. 469 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:07,620 My feet never really touched the ground for many years. 470 00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:09,180 Ooh! 471 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:11,620 God loves you! Woo! 472 00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:13,660 You know, it was like, "I'm home." 473 00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:15,860 You know, I had that feeling of coming home 474 00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:18,140 when I joined the band, you know? 475 00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:22,100 All I knew when I first met Ronnie is he could be my brother. 476 00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:26,380 He found his little brother. 477 00:26:26,380 --> 00:26:28,700 Scene one, act one. 478 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:31,660 LAUGHS 479 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:35,180 Now, make a cup of tea, Mother. 480 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:40,100 Ronnie is well suited to the role of little brother in The Stones, 481 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,180 growing up the youngest of three boys in Yiewsley, 482 00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:46,140 a working class suburb of West London. 483 00:26:46,140 --> 00:26:48,260 Oh, dear family. 484 00:26:48,260 --> 00:26:51,580 They were so broad minded, really. 485 00:26:51,580 --> 00:26:55,860 Art, my eldest brother, and Ted, the middle bro. 486 00:26:55,860 --> 00:26:59,460 They were both artists, both musicians, 487 00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:00,940 both very encouraging. 488 00:27:00,940 --> 00:27:02,860 Very proud of little Ronnie. 489 00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:11,140 My headmaster used to call me the artist. 490 00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:15,340 And Mum, she used to love that. 491 00:27:17,620 --> 00:27:20,180 He's a wonderful spirit, Ronnie. 492 00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:21,820 When he sees something 493 00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:24,980 and he wants to capture that moment, for him. 494 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:32,580 And he puts it down very beautifully and describes it in his artwork. 495 00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:37,620 I love painting. 496 00:27:39,220 --> 00:27:42,580 I love combining that with music and the other way around. 497 00:27:42,580 --> 00:27:46,380 And it's...that's what keeps my cycle going. 498 00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:48,180 It's fabulous, you know? 499 00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:51,020 And never a dull moment, you know, in my life. 500 00:27:55,660 --> 00:27:58,940 My family were so supportive. 501 00:27:58,940 --> 00:28:01,260 My dad, when I had long hair, he'd say, 502 00:28:01,260 --> 00:28:05,180 "You want to look like that kid, go right ahead." 503 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:08,780 And I said, "Are you sure, Dad? 504 00:28:08,780 --> 00:28:12,020 "People don't know if I'm a boy or a girl!" 505 00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:14,100 And he said, you know, you're you. 506 00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:20,380 Ronnie's family had a strong identity all their own. 507 00:28:22,220 --> 00:28:24,580 My mum was born on the boat called the Orient. 508 00:28:24,580 --> 00:28:27,300 My dad was born on the Antelope. 509 00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:33,180 My parents and all of my family going back to 1700s, 510 00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:35,100 they're all on the water, 511 00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:38,620 they're on the longboats and the barges. 512 00:28:38,620 --> 00:28:41,820 Water gypsies, really. 513 00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:43,540 My mum told me, 514 00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:47,020 Grandad Wood, he had one family up north 515 00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:48,860 and one in Paddington. 516 00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:51,060 She said, "Dirty old sod." 517 00:28:56,940 --> 00:28:58,460 I'm a nomad. 518 00:28:58,460 --> 00:29:00,140 We live out of suitcases. 519 00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:01,460 That's what we do. 520 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:05,700 Dad always used to tell me all the different routes 521 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,420 that he would take. 522 00:29:07,420 --> 00:29:10,060 If I was out of line, he'd always say, 523 00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:12,660 "Where do you think you are, on your father's yacht?" 524 00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:20,460 It's definitely a flow there that comes with the nomadic lifestyle 525 00:29:20,460 --> 00:29:26,060 of mooring up somewhere, you know, and having vague memories as a kid 526 00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:32,220 of sweet milk, the condensed milk down in the cabin with my dad 527 00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:35,020 on his...on his buggy. 528 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:42,380 It was the end of a legacy, really. 529 00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:44,020 You know, my brothers and me 530 00:29:44,020 --> 00:29:46,580 being the first to be born on dry land. 531 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:53,460 My parents had this way about them of connecting and adapting that... 532 00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:57,140 ..I'm sure I've inherited, you know. 533 00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:04,540 KEITH: In this band, it works on two guitars, you know? 534 00:30:04,540 --> 00:30:06,740 And it's very important who they are. 535 00:30:06,740 --> 00:30:07,860 CHUCKLES 536 00:30:07,860 --> 00:30:10,100 That is the basis of the band, 537 00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:12,700 how these two guitars work together. 538 00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:17,300 In Ronnie, The Stones finally find a guitarist perfectly suited 539 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,340 to life on the road 540 00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:21,380 AND playing with Keith. 541 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:25,540 And Ronnie had to learn every Stones song. 542 00:30:25,540 --> 00:30:27,300 So we know that. 543 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:29,820 But how do you fit in? 544 00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:36,460 What part of you has to be exactly like the record? 545 00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:38,500 TAPE DECK CLICKS 546 00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:40,980 MUSIC PLAYS 547 00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:43,940 Keith would run me through a few things of what he could remember 548 00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:45,860 of the arrangements and stuff. 549 00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:50,100 Because Ronnie had been boarding our plane, 550 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:52,100 he knew it better than I did. 551 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:53,340 And I would correct him. 552 00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:55,500 I'd say, "No, that song fades out on the album. 553 00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:57,940 "You haven't got an ending. We're going to have to find one." 554 00:30:57,940 --> 00:30:59,500 He's like, "Oh, yeah, you're right." 555 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:01,860 He said, "Just because I wrote them 556 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:04,420 "doesn't necessarily mean I know them." 557 00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:07,100 # I've been so sad since you've been gone. # 558 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,500 Ronnie is dropped in at the deep end. 559 00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:12,740 It's just navigation. 560 00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:17,060 The ancient mariners used to use the stars. 561 00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:19,940 We used the upcoming break. 562 00:31:25,420 --> 00:31:28,700 Or you know, everyone knows they've gotta...stop. 563 00:31:32,420 --> 00:31:34,340 Or look a fool. 564 00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:42,660 Navigating a live show is all about reading the signs 565 00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:45,300 and the odd bit of verbal communication. 566 00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:50,500 "I love you." 567 00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:56,820 Or "what the hell do you think you're doing?" 568 00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:58,500 "What the hell was that?" 569 00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,260 "What is he doing?!" 570 00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:07,420 "What are YOU doing?!" 571 00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:09,220 You know, like, what? 572 00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:10,820 Oh, it was so funny. 573 00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:23,700 THEY PLAY: Hey Hey by Big Bill Broonzy 574 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:28,300 And Ronnie's other assignment was to be Keith's buddy. 575 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:30,300 Buddy he could play with, 576 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,940 because that's where the ideas come from, you know, 577 00:32:32,940 --> 00:32:34,660 with acoustic guitars. 578 00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:41,460 And there'd be beautiful girls and Keith and I would forget 579 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:44,380 that they were there because we'd be playing and playing and there'd 580 00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:46,940 be these beautiful girls looking at their watches, going... 581 00:32:46,940 --> 00:32:49,140 And yawning, "Oh, fuck, I've been here three days 582 00:32:49,140 --> 00:32:51,020 "and he ain't even said hello." You know? 583 00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:53,940 "I'll be right there. I've just got to do this." You know? 584 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:58,220 I think the music was so powerful that it just overrode everything. 585 00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:04,220 It's an obsession that started at a young age. 586 00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:07,300 When I was in short pants, the household 587 00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:09,420 was always throbbing. 588 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:12,020 Everyone was a performer. 589 00:33:12,020 --> 00:33:14,740 When they played, they used to include me, 590 00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:19,140 whether it was on the comb and paper or kazoo or... 591 00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:21,460 My first instrument was the washboard. 592 00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:23,340 # I don't care what Mama don't allow 593 00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:25,540 # Gonna play that music any old how 594 00:33:25,540 --> 00:33:29,420 # Mama don't allow no washboard played in here, ba-ba-ba. # 595 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:31,380 Then you take off into a solo. 596 00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:38,220 You had to do a 12-bar solo on your own. 597 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:40,740 And it was like, "Oh, my God," you know? 598 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:42,340 It was like, the camera's on me. 599 00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:44,460 Then I'd try my luck on the comb and paper 600 00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:46,180 and I'd try and play the trumpet. 601 00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:50,620 He's a good drummer as well, actually. 602 00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:52,020 Maniac type. 603 00:33:52,020 --> 00:33:53,940 I mean, he's had to go at everything, actually. 604 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:56,260 Suddenly he turns up with a cornet. 605 00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:58,340 Then he was going to be a saxophone player. 606 00:33:58,340 --> 00:34:01,260 Put up with him walking about, honking all over the place. 607 00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:06,860 Ronnie Wood is one of the most inspired, 608 00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:09,540 brilliant musicians I've ever encountered. 609 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:12,660 You know, you can put any instrument in his hands. 610 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:18,900 I love the fact that Ronnie is the catalyst. 611 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,020 You know, he's the guy that can bring it all together 612 00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:23,700 and he's the guy that can sit down and figure it out 613 00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:25,380 and make it work. 614 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:27,180 My ego has to stand aside. 615 00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:29,020 I'm too busy concentrating, you know? 616 00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:31,580 I'm too busy learning and going, like, 617 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:34,740 "OK, this needs a pedal steel guitar. 618 00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:36,420 "I'll learn how to play it." 619 00:34:40,060 --> 00:34:42,940 For Ronnie, I think joining an existing band 620 00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:44,340 like The Rolling Stones 621 00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:49,020 was something of an artistically Faustian bargain that he made, 622 00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:52,540 which is you get to be a part of the greatest band ever, 623 00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:54,420 and that's exhilarating, 624 00:34:54,420 --> 00:34:58,500 but you also aren't going to be allowed to do all the things 625 00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,820 that you're capable of for the sake of fitting into this band. 626 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:06,500 # It's over there 627 00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:08,180 # Over there... # 628 00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:11,660 What's that? Cha-cha and off. 629 00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:14,660 Keith, rub your face against mine. I forgot to put make-up on. 630 00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:16,380 Hi, Peter. Yeah, sure. 631 00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:19,660 Yeah, I think Keith had a friendship with Ronnie, 632 00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:24,740 more so than he had with Mick or with Brian. 633 00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:27,860 Of course, there's a lot of drugs involved at the time. 634 00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:32,820 Anyone going to go with Keith was always going to be a problem. 635 00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:34,580 It's true, Ronnie. Look. 636 00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:39,580 And back on the American tour, 637 00:35:39,580 --> 00:35:42,780 the Keith and Ronnie double act is about to put on a show 638 00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:45,060 for the residents of Fordyce, Arkansas. 639 00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:51,780 Tell us what happened. 640 00:35:51,780 --> 00:35:54,900 Er, if I could, I would, but I just don't believe it. 641 00:35:54,900 --> 00:35:58,300 Jay, let me borrow... I'll buy that hat from you. 642 00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:02,900 The police observed a car swerving on the road, 643 00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:06,900 and police stopped him as a result. 644 00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:10,820 We stopped in a roadside cafe, 645 00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:13,940 and Keith and I were in the bathroom, 646 00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:16,100 high and stuff for a couple of hours. 647 00:36:16,100 --> 00:36:18,220 And people had reported that these two guys 648 00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:19,660 still haven't come out, you know? 649 00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:23,340 In those little hick towns, it caused a big stir. 650 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:29,420 When the police came in, 651 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:32,380 we were juggling different kinds of dope 652 00:36:32,380 --> 00:36:34,260 and different kinds of smoke, 653 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:38,020 doing sleight of hand and, "Oh, look over there! Bump." 654 00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:41,060 EMG is "everything must go". 655 00:36:41,060 --> 00:36:43,020 That's when you're coming up to a border. 656 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:45,260 There's smoke everywhere. And then open a window 657 00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:47,020 and chuck the rest of the stash out. 658 00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:48,700 It's a rule, you know? 659 00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:53,780 Toss it all. EMG, everything must go. 660 00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:56,020 Police have been very good to us here 661 00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:59,980 and treated the group with respect and been very courteous to us. 662 00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:02,820 They were not placed in a jail cell. 663 00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:05,860 They were just detained in the office for a short period 664 00:37:05,860 --> 00:37:07,780 of time while the vehicle was searched. 665 00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:10,860 I got rid of all the stuff out of the window, you know? 666 00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:13,540 So, by the time we got there, they said, 667 00:37:13,540 --> 00:37:15,020 "Right, we're looking in there!" 668 00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:18,100 "You won't find anything," because, you know, it had all gone. 669 00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:21,780 Then we were in the courtroom. The whole town came out. 670 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:23,780 We took over the courtroom. 671 00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:26,420 Keith and I got up on the judge's thing. 672 00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:27,980 Oh, we had the gavel. 673 00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:32,020 We were swapping, doing autographs, and swapping hats 674 00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:34,020 with people and stuff. 675 00:37:42,180 --> 00:37:44,780 All the shit that we take for granted when we we're touring 676 00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:46,620 and all that red carpet shit, and hotels 677 00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:47,860 and this, that and the other, 678 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:49,020 when those guys did it, 679 00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:51,220 the only people that liked them were the fans. 680 00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:55,260 Nobody catered to rock bands on the road back then, you know? 681 00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:57,540 Nobody wanted them around. They were dirty. 682 00:37:57,540 --> 00:37:59,260 They did drugs. 683 00:37:59,260 --> 00:38:04,420 Public enemy number one in the United States is drug abuse. 684 00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:08,260 You know, they went totally against the grain 685 00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:09,540 back in those days. 686 00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:11,660 You know, they were the fucking real deal. 687 00:38:14,580 --> 00:38:17,740 The drug-fuelled misadventures of the '75 tour 688 00:38:17,740 --> 00:38:20,140 only sealed the bond between Keith and Ronnie. 689 00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:24,820 CHEERING 690 00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:29,940 I started this, The Rolling Stones, with Brian Jones, 691 00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:31,780 a certain kind of guitar player. 692 00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:34,220 And we developed a sort of sound there. 693 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:36,260 Then came Mick Taylor. 694 00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:38,660 Totally different guitar player. 695 00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:41,340 We had to separate the rhythm from the lead. 696 00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:45,340 And then I started to work with Ronnie and I am thinking, 697 00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:47,420 "Man, this is the guy." 698 00:38:49,260 --> 00:38:52,380 You know, when you think about Ronnie and his ability 699 00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:57,220 to intertwine with what it is that Keith does, 700 00:38:57,220 --> 00:38:59,460 I think that that's a great gift. 701 00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:04,420 If God himself created the perfect foil for Keith, 702 00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:07,100 it had to have been Ronnie Wood. 703 00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:11,180 # I don't need no beast of burden... # 704 00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:14,020 Ronnie's ability to play both rhythm and lead 705 00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:16,860 creates endless possibilities for Keith, 706 00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:19,900 and their friendship becomes part of their sound. 707 00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:24,220 You know, you still think of Ronnie as the new guy, 708 00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:28,060 and I'm sure that's just the way it is with the band. 709 00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:31,140 But when Ronnie came into it, I think he pushed Keith 710 00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:32,620 back out into the front again. 711 00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:36,100 I think he inspired Keith to start playing again. 712 00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:42,340 They play very well together. 713 00:39:42,340 --> 00:39:45,020 Keith loves Ronnie playing because he could... 714 00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:46,860 It's like interchanging. 715 00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:51,100 I don't know. I don't listen to either of them! 716 00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:56,100 GUITAR RIFF 717 00:40:00,540 --> 00:40:03,620 We are the axeman and we cometh. 718 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:10,180 That relationship is really special. 719 00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:16,020 It's really special because they are actually feeding off each other. 720 00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:19,780 It's kind of a call and a response. 721 00:40:19,780 --> 00:40:22,660 Keith calls, Ronnie responds. 722 00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:24,980 Ronnie calls, Keith responds. 723 00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:28,020 When you hear them, I'm not sure which guitarist 724 00:40:28,020 --> 00:40:29,700 I'm hearing at any given time. 725 00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,820 It's all chords hitting guitar rhythms, 726 00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:33,060 guitar riffs, 727 00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:37,020 and good old Ronnie probably played a lot of the stuff 728 00:40:37,020 --> 00:40:38,820 that Keith gets credit for. 729 00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:42,580 They become one person with four arms. 730 00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:45,940 They are weaving this guitar web. 731 00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:51,740 The ancient art of weaving is a matter of give and take. 732 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:55,180 It's the space between what you play. 733 00:40:55,180 --> 00:40:57,540 It's the meaning of what you play. 734 00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:00,140 And no overindulgence. 735 00:41:00,140 --> 00:41:04,700 And when you get two basket cases working with each other, 736 00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:07,140 you have an early form of weaving. 737 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:13,820 I love watching Ronnie and Keith weave. 738 00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:16,220 It's so interesting to me the way that they rehearse. 739 00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:18,100 It's not like they're looking at charts. 740 00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,020 They're not chart guys. 741 00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:21,700 That is not what they do. 742 00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:25,340 They are feeling, breathing, 743 00:41:25,340 --> 00:41:29,420 living through the fingers guys. 744 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:33,740 And so they're free enough to not care about making 745 00:41:33,740 --> 00:41:38,100 what would be considered a mistake with normal human beings. 746 00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,340 GUITAR RIFF 747 00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:58,420 We have a knack of, if one goes this way, 748 00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:00,020 the other one is sliding this way. 749 00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:03,820 It's like, if a solo comes up on a certain number, 750 00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:06,540 we don't even look at each other. 751 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:08,700 If I want to take the solo, I'll take it, right? 752 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:10,340 And if he wants to take it, he'll take it. 753 00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:13,020 Really? You leave it as loose as that? Oh, yeah. 754 00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:16,260 Are there ever any nights when neither of you take it? 755 00:42:16,260 --> 00:42:18,260 Yeah, that's when he's knocked me out 756 00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:19,700 or I've knocked him out. 757 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:26,260 The beauty of The Stones is that you never know. 758 00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:29,020 They're always walking a tightrope. 759 00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:31,260 Expect the unexpected. 760 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:38,620 But that highwire act isn't just down to natural chemistry. 761 00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:47,020 When the drugs worked, you had a line 762 00:42:47,020 --> 00:42:48,980 of really good pharmaceutical, 763 00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:51,780 you had a great song coming out of it, you know? 764 00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:53,900 Or a great painting. 765 00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:58,340 A lot of it was the ritual - the rolling of the joint, 766 00:42:58,340 --> 00:42:59,940 the filling of the pipe. 767 00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:03,300 And then that would be set against the ritual 768 00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:06,180 of the way the music was structured. 769 00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:11,460 That gave you the feeling of invincibility, 770 00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:13,620 that you could tackle anything. 771 00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:20,340 But off stage, some start to refer to Ronnie 772 00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:22,260 as the Sorcerer's Apprentice. 773 00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:27,660 I think Sorcerer's Apprentice is quite a compliment. 774 00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:29,780 Er, because I was in a way... 775 00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:33,180 I was being broken in to really dangerous ground. 776 00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,540 People really were dying, you know, 777 00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:38,980 to try and keep up with Keith's drug intake. 778 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:44,300 We used to party heavy. 779 00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:48,860 There was a whole series of decades where we were all really high. 780 00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:54,340 Even in our most spaced-out days, there was like a little switch. 781 00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:57,540 We'd go, "OK, I've got to go on stage now." 782 00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:59,940 Like, "I've got to get it together." 783 00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:03,460 I think that's what saved my life a lot, 784 00:44:03,460 --> 00:44:05,940 and all of our lives during the heavy using years, 785 00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:10,260 was the actual focus of having to get it together, 786 00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:13,980 to be in front of an audience and give them what they wanted. 787 00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:16,260 Obviously the downside... 788 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:18,380 It depends what drugs you're talking about. 789 00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:20,780 It depends how they react on you. 790 00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:23,700 The hard stuff - it ain't called the hard stuff for nothing. 791 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:27,220 And you better be hard enough to deal with it, that's all. 792 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:33,100 In 1978, Keith narrowly escapes a heavy prison sentence 793 00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:37,620 in Canada for heroin possession and decides to clean up. 794 00:44:37,620 --> 00:44:40,420 But just as he's turning away from hard drugs, 795 00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:42,660 Ronnie sinks further into addiction. 796 00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:47,380 In the crazy days, 797 00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:52,100 it got out of hand when it was the base pipe. 798 00:44:53,540 --> 00:44:56,620 Freebasing crack cocaine became a dangerous obsession 799 00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:59,860 in the LA music scene in the late 1970s. 800 00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:02,380 I used to quite innocently think it was the best thing going. 801 00:45:02,380 --> 00:45:03,900 I used to take it to parties and go, 802 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:06,300 "Everybody, you've got to try this!" 803 00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:10,660 But within a few years, freebasing becomes an epidemic. 804 00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:12,180 Crack cocaine. 805 00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:14,140 It's as innocent looking as candy, 806 00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:16,500 but it's turning our cities into battle zones. 807 00:45:18,580 --> 00:45:22,100 It got to the point where it wasn't funny any more, you know? 808 00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:25,500 It was just that getting high with that pipe was frightening. 809 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,020 Do anything for it. 810 00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:32,020 When it came to freebasing, I was like, "This is nuts!" 811 00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:34,500 You know? It had to stop. 812 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:41,900 Easier said than done. 813 00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:44,820 By the summer of 1981, The Stones are preparing 814 00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:47,300 for another huge tour of the United States. 815 00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:50,300 There's only one problem - 816 00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:52,420 finding an insurance company that will cover 817 00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:55,460 an increasingly out-of-control Ronnie. 818 00:45:55,460 --> 00:46:00,100 Faced with the very real prospect of his sideman being left behind, 819 00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,540 Keith makes an offer. 820 00:46:02,540 --> 00:46:05,060 There were some problems with Ronnie. 821 00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:09,060 "I'll cover it." 822 00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:09,060 KEITH LAUGHS 823 00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:11,740 Because to me, Ronnie's out of Rolling Stones. 824 00:46:11,740 --> 00:46:15,380 I need that man like, you know, I need breathing. 825 00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,660 The '81 tour starts well, 826 00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:24,420 but ten days in, Keith gets news that Ronnie 827 00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:27,140 is freebasing crack in his hotel room. 828 00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:29,380 Ronnie was on the other side of the hotel 829 00:46:29,380 --> 00:46:33,740 and somebody had come up, I think, "He's doing the stuff up there." 830 00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:35,940 You know? He'd promised me he wouldn't 831 00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:38,940 because I'd been guaranteeing that he wouldn't, da-da-da. 832 00:46:38,940 --> 00:46:41,700 So he was sort of letting me down a little bit. 833 00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:43,420 I was just up there getting high, you know? 834 00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:44,660 In the way he didn't like it. 835 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:46,380 He didn't agree with the pipe. 836 00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:52,820 # The whip comes down, yeah. # 837 00:46:52,820 --> 00:46:56,220 And he thought I had another woman, because he's terribly moral. 838 00:46:57,740 --> 00:47:02,020 I flew into a rage... 839 00:46:57,740 --> 00:47:02,020 KEITH LAUGHS 840 00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:05,380 ..and zoomed through the hotel. 841 00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:08,380 There's a whole posse of people going around the corridors 842 00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:10,100 searching for me. 843 00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:16,580 So I get to Ronnie's room and knock on the door. 844 00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:18,420 I finally came out. 845 00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:20,620 I smell the stuff coming out. 846 00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:22,060 "You cu..." 847 00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:26,060 So I gave him some back. 848 00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:31,900 We all fall into Ronnie's room. 849 00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:33,540 He tries to land one on me. 850 00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:35,260 The couch goes over. 851 00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:37,500 Bam, Ronnie's about to fall out the window, 852 00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,860 so I grab him and then everything stops. 853 00:47:40,860 --> 00:47:44,020 And then laughter, and that was that. 854 00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:47,300 Yeah, that was the one bundle. 855 00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:50,620 We laughed it off, and I went into the next room 856 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:53,940 and there's Mick and Charlie on the floor. 857 00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:56,100 They're playing some game on the floor. 858 00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:58,740 And I went, "Look at me, I'm covered in blood!" 859 00:47:58,740 --> 00:48:01,220 And they just sort of went, you know, like, 860 00:48:01,220 --> 00:48:03,100 "OK, right, your move." 861 00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:08,140 And that's brothers. They are brothers. 862 00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:11,460 Like it or not, that is your brother. 863 00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:14,220 Keith can talk shit about Ronnie, 864 00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:15,700 but you can't. 865 00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:17,460 "No, I'LL do that." 866 00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:20,260 "That's my place." Nobody's place but his. 867 00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:32,020 Ronnie eventually manages to quit smoking crack, 868 00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:37,500 but his drug taking and drinking will go on for another 30 years. 869 00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:40,260 The pot calling the kettle black is one thing, 870 00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:43,820 but sometimes I thought he was a little reckless with it. 871 00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:49,220 Mick and Keith stuck up for Ronnie through a lot. 872 00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:51,660 You know, when Ronnie was drinking. 873 00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:54,340 Like we all were, but Ronnie was more. 874 00:48:54,340 --> 00:48:56,260 Everything's more with Ronnie. 875 00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:59,740 Mick said, "Do you think you might need a little help? 876 00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:01,180 "Do you think you would do that?" 877 00:49:01,180 --> 00:49:03,620 And I said, "Sure, I'll give it a go." 878 00:49:03,620 --> 00:49:06,820 He said, "When do you want to do it?" 879 00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:08,540 And I said, "Oh, a couple of weeks." 880 00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:10,300 He said, "What about tomorrow?" You know? 881 00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:13,540 And I said, "OK, I like a challenge. Let's start." 882 00:49:13,540 --> 00:49:16,180 That was my first rehab. 883 00:49:19,420 --> 00:49:23,620 He had so many goes at kicking whatever it was. Drinking. 884 00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:26,260 I mean, he must have had so many counsellors. 885 00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:28,860 Being Ronnie, of course, "Come in!" 886 00:49:28,860 --> 00:49:31,020 And you'd meet this bloke you'd never met. 887 00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:33,780 And then there'd be another one three months later. 888 00:49:33,780 --> 00:49:37,460 "Come in!" And you'd all have to say hello. 889 00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:39,060 After doing it for so many years, 890 00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:41,540 your body thinks it needs it, you know? 891 00:49:41,540 --> 00:49:44,020 Well, your body is saying, "Give me some, 892 00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:45,900 "but I can't handle it any more." 893 00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:51,420 It was the beginning of me seeing the light. 894 00:49:53,380 --> 00:49:56,660 You know, he really wanted to be a sober person, 895 00:49:56,660 --> 00:49:58,300 but it was very difficult to do, 896 00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,340 and it is difficult to do if you've been doing it all your life. 897 00:50:01,340 --> 00:50:04,060 GUITAR RIFF 898 00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:14,340 It's very difficult. You go through a dry period and you go, 899 00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:18,540 "I've done it! I've cleaned up! So now I can have just one!" 900 00:50:18,540 --> 00:50:21,980 And that's the big mistake, cos you can't have just one. 901 00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:27,420 But in 2010, Ronnie finally gets clean, 902 00:50:27,420 --> 00:50:28,900 aged 63. 903 00:50:31,580 --> 00:50:34,540 I did it with the help of people - with the Fellowship, they call it. 904 00:50:34,540 --> 00:50:35,940 It's a wonderful thing. 905 00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:38,180 I did 90 meetings in 90 days, 906 00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:41,020 and I did 90 meetings in 90 days again. 907 00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:42,740 I loved every minute of it. 908 00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:46,500 I've never come down from the serenity 909 00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:48,860 that I got from that since. 910 00:50:48,860 --> 00:50:50,620 I don't think I ever will. 911 00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:52,300 I mean, it's a good feeling. 912 00:50:55,140 --> 00:50:59,380 And now Keith Richards is going to sing for you Little T&A! 913 00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:09,540 # She's my little rock 'n' roll 914 00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:12,060 # Oh 915 00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:15,700 # Oh, she's my little rock 'n' roll... 916 00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:18,780 But in the aftermath of Ronnie's fight with Keith, 917 00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:22,020 it's the other relationship at the heart of The Rolling Stones 918 00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:23,660 that's in need of rehab. 919 00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:27,940 Keith, tell me a little bit about your relationship with Mick. 920 00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:30,460 Er... You're celebrating the 20th anniversary of the band. 921 00:51:30,460 --> 00:51:35,180 Yeah, I've known him since he was about four or five. 922 00:51:35,180 --> 00:51:37,420 When we first went to school. 923 00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:38,940 The most recent information is 924 00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:42,500 the pair of them last night, in his room, fantastic. 925 00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,420 I left them alone. I thought, "If you can get on 926 00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:48,140 "this well, knowing each other from four, 927 00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:49,740 "and now you're both 80! 928 00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:52,500 "I mean, that's an amazing thing!" 929 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:56,020 No, they get on great. Oh, you are a wit. 930 00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:59,420 # She's my little rock 'n' roll... # 931 00:51:59,420 --> 00:52:02,020 Ronnie's a great mediator between the two. 932 00:52:02,020 --> 00:52:06,340 He notices frictions and things and likes to heal the wounds. 933 00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:08,700 You know? Ronnie's always been emotionally sensitive. 934 00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:11,220 You know? Ronnie doesn't like confrontation, I don't think. 935 00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:12,420 Don't like aggro. 936 00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:15,700 There's all kinds of girlfriend, management rumours, 937 00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:17,580 people putting the spoke in, saying, 938 00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:19,860 "He said this about you, you know?" 939 00:52:19,860 --> 00:52:22,540 You know? We have to let all that ride. 940 00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:25,900 You know? You can't be affected by all that. 941 00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:29,180 # She's my little rock 'n' roll. # 942 00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:31,020 Bill, come in a little bit. 943 00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:33,900 The band had been together for 60 years. 944 00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:36,180 But there were moments when The Stones came 945 00:52:36,180 --> 00:52:38,060 very close to breaking up. 946 00:52:40,860 --> 00:52:42,660 Yeah, there have been a couple of spots 947 00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:44,700 where it was quite possible. 948 00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:50,580 There was a possibility, I suppose, around the time Ronnie joined, 949 00:52:50,580 --> 00:52:52,140 when Mick Taylor had left. 950 00:52:52,140 --> 00:52:56,220 And there was a possibility in the '80s 951 00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:58,820 when Mick wanted to do solo work. 952 00:52:58,820 --> 00:53:02,100 Thanks, Mother. Love you. 953 00:52:58,820 --> 00:53:02,100 KEITH LAUGHS 954 00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:10,740 Mick releases his first solo album, She's The Boss, 955 00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:13,220 in February, 1985. 956 00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:15,580 A few weeks later, The Stones go into the studio 957 00:53:15,580 --> 00:53:18,820 to start sessions for the album that would become Dirty Work. 958 00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:21,060 Yeah, remember tempo. Because it's the second only one 959 00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:22,580 on the album that's slow. 960 00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:26,420 Hold it down. No, let's take it easy. 961 00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:27,740 We ain't trying to cut a track. 962 00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:30,340 All we're trying to do is keep an idea on tap. 963 00:53:31,540 --> 00:53:35,980 This time, even Ronnie isn't able to lighten the mood. 964 00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:39,020 When I got there, it was bad. 965 00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:41,020 It was bad. 966 00:53:41,020 --> 00:53:43,780 Stop passing the buck. 967 00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:46,900 Speed it up right away and you fuck the notes up. 968 00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:49,460 Do you have the desire to go back on tour for a while? 969 00:53:49,460 --> 00:53:51,820 I love to go on the road, but right now, I think, 970 00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:53,460 to be perfectly honest, 971 00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:56,180 after a year in the studio with The Rolling Stones, 972 00:53:56,180 --> 00:53:59,420 I could do with a little time away from them. Right. 973 00:53:59,420 --> 00:54:01,700 I mean, you know, I think it's a little bit... 974 00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:04,020 The relationships are a little bit fragile and, I think, 975 00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:07,700 to go on the road, that would show on stage. OK. 976 00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:09,540 I've heard them have arguments. 977 00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:13,580 I could hear the screaming through the door. 978 00:54:13,580 --> 00:54:17,260 Yeah, it was the hatred from Keith that was really severe. 979 00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:18,740 Didn't want his name mentioned, 980 00:54:18,740 --> 00:54:21,100 didn't want to ever see him again, and blah blah blah. 981 00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:24,780 And...it was just bad vibes. 982 00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:30,780 And the pair of them were not going to make up this time. 983 00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:35,700 The Stones are off the road indefinitely. 984 00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:38,460 Those around the band wonder if this might finally 985 00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:40,980 be the end of it all. 986 00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:44,380 We've read a great deal about your relationship with Mick recently, 987 00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:47,420 that you want to go on tour and Mick doesn't want to go on tour, 988 00:54:47,420 --> 00:54:49,580 and that's the cause of tension. Is that the case? 989 00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:51,020 Yeah, but I mean... 990 00:54:51,020 --> 00:54:55,020 I mean, you don't do a gig like this without having fights occasionally. 991 00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:57,780 This one just happened to pop out into public, you know? 992 00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:04,140 It's another moment of destiny for Ronnie. 993 00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:09,020 You know, I've got to keep this institution going, 994 00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:11,500 so, you know, I've got to act now. 995 00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:13,460 So I rang up Mick and I'd said, 996 00:55:13,460 --> 00:55:16,780 "If I got Keith in 15 minutes, would you talk to him?" 997 00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:20,340 And he said, "Yeah, I would." You know? 998 00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:23,900 So I prepared the ground and I said OK. 999 00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:25,660 Before I know it, I'm calling Mick, 1000 00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:28,740 saying surely we've got to do something, man, you know? 1001 00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:31,620 And suddenly it all falls back into place again. 1002 00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:35,340 And it's almost as if you're... 1003 00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:38,860 I hate this with saying all about... 1004 00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:41,820 ..authority and everything, 1005 00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:44,700 but it's as if some higher authority... 1006 00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:47,860 "Uh-uh, Keith. Go on." 1007 00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:51,820 That was a higher power moving there, you know? 1008 00:55:51,820 --> 00:55:53,820 Ladies and gentlemen, 1009 00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:56,620 will you please welcome The Rolling Stones! 1010 00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:58,900 CHEERING 1011 00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:06,020 After a deep, cold winter, spring will come. 1012 00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:12,220 I think they love him for that, you know? 1013 00:56:12,220 --> 00:56:14,500 They probably hated him at times, too, 1014 00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,900 because they want to be mad at each other. 1015 00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:20,020 And then Ronnie comes in and makes them laugh about something 1016 00:56:20,020 --> 00:56:22,020 and it's like, "Get out of here, Ronnie!" 1017 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:24,780 # Childhood living... # 1018 00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:28,020 I've got to keep this thing going - in motion, you know? 1019 00:56:28,020 --> 00:56:29,500 Whatever it takes. 1020 00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:31,740 # ..is easy to do... # 1021 00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:36,260 Over 60 years, Ronnie Wood has never let that spark die. 1022 00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:39,740 From first sight of The Stones as a teenager 1023 00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:42,380 to still touring with them into his 70s. 1024 00:56:46,860 --> 00:56:49,740 Did Ronnie save The Stones? 1025 00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:52,220 Course he did. 1026 00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:52,220 KENNEY LAUGHS 1027 00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:55,220 No matter what's going on, he'll say, "You know, 1028 00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:58,780 "we'll be all right. We'll get through that. It'll be fine." 1029 00:56:58,780 --> 00:57:00,980 And I really would go so far as to say 1030 00:57:00,980 --> 00:57:04,260 no Ronnie, no Rolling Stones. Not now. 1031 00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:05,660 He's amazing. 1032 00:57:05,660 --> 00:57:07,260 He is the glue that binds them. 1033 00:57:08,660 --> 00:57:10,460 # Yeah 1034 00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:14,060 # Cos the wild horses 1035 00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:19,500 # Couldn't drag me away 1036 00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:25,060 # Cos the wild horses 1037 00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:30,820 # Couldn't drag me away... # 1038 00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:32,500 Ronnie's the MSG. 1039 00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:35,380 He's the sticky stuff that's keeping it all together. 1040 00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:37,060 # I watched you suffer 1041 00:57:39,220 --> 00:57:42,340 # A dull, aching pain... # 1042 00:57:42,340 --> 00:57:45,020 There was a tough glue with two horses 1043 00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:47,700 trying to pull it apart. That's what it reminds me of. 1044 00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:52,940 There's a bond, anyway. There's a bond that can't be broken. 1045 00:57:52,940 --> 00:57:55,540 Araldite? Araldite! 1046 00:57:55,540 --> 00:57:58,060 LAUGHTER 1047 00:57:59,540 --> 00:58:02,700 # Cos the wild, wild horses 1048 00:58:05,020 --> 00:58:08,020 # We'll ride them some day 1049 00:58:11,220 --> 00:58:14,020 # Wild horses 1050 00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:19,300 # Couldn't drag me away 1051 00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:26,060 # Wild, wild horses 1052 00:58:27,740 --> 00:58:31,060 # We'll ride them someday 1053 00:58:31,060 --> 00:58:33,180 # Yeah! # 1054 00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:36,500 CHEERING 1055 00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:42,060 Thank you! 83831

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