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Is it hard trying to live up
to this image that people have
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of Mick Jagger?
No, because I don't try to.
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But your own image,
Mick Jagger's image?
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I don't believe in images.
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It's only press and media that like
to have images because it's useful
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to put people into categories.
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Well, how do you see yourself, then?
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Oh, that's the most difficult thing
of all.
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I mean, that's what it takes
your whole life to find out.
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This programme contains
some strong language
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What most documentaries do
is just repeat the same thing
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over and over that you've heard,
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all the mythologies repeated
until it becomes true.
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People want to put things in boxes,
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and then it all becomes
this sort of cliche box.
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And then the easiest thing
is just to keep repeating that.
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So I guess we'll try,
when we're chatting,
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to expand those boxes.
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I think people
probably like that idea.
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CHEERING
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The Rolling Stones are the ultimate
rock and roll band.
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It was just magic.
They created this magic,
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and they've been doing it
for how long now?
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A product of their times,
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they've helped to define ours.
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They have a chemistry together,
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a creative inspiration
that is magic.
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And Mick Jagger has been out front
for 60 years.
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And he will sing and dance for us
to illustrate his early moves.
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They look like Rolling Stones,
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they act like Rolling Stones,
and they sound like Rolling Stones.
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They set the benchmark for what
a rock band should sound like,
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look like,
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feel like.
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If I start looking too mournful
and boring,
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light me up a bit, yeah?
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The Rolling Stones
recreated music, fashion.
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It is a fact.
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The supreme pop music brand,
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they're a link
between the counterculture
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of the 1960s
and the commercial modern world.
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Across seven decades,
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they've written the playbook
for modern rock and roll.
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I got it.
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And we'll try and keep it light.
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So this is the story
of the key ingredients
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of the special
Rolling Stones recipe.
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Chemistry is something
that you can't buy.
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That's the magic of a band.
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Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood,
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and the much-missed Charlie Watts.
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We thought they were gods.
We really did.
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And on vocals,
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Sir Michael Philip Jagger,
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better known as...
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Mick Jagger. Slate three.
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Let's start with a cliche.
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No! No cliches.
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I thought we weren't doing
cliches today.
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Mick Jagger's Mick Jagger.
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He's the best frontman
in the business.
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I mean, he'll get up there
and do his stuff
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and lay it on you, and he means it.
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What you see is what you get.
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You know? I mean, there's loads
of facets and variations on him,
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but he's really
a very honourable man, you know.
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I mean, under all that crap.
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HE LAUGHS
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One of my big jobs
is to be a big show-off, really.
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I mean, that's really what it is.
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I suppose that's my job.
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For two hours,
to make people feel good,
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to bring people a joyous experience,
that they have a great evening.
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And that's what I think my role is.
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# And I saw her today
at the reception
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# A glass of wine in her hand
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# I knew she was gonna meet
her connection... #
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I always loved the idea
of being Mick,
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one of the greatest front guy,
the greatest rock star of all time.
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# Now, you can't always get
what you want... #
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And how incredible that would be.
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# You can't always get
what you want. #
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It's truly inspirational.
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They are the pioneers.
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They were the ones
writing the story.
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# But if you try sometime
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# You just might find
you get what you need. #
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That's something that requires
attention to a lot of detail.
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Mick Jagger does it incredibly well.
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Mick's not going to let
anything go wrong
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cos he's in control.
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# I went down to
the demonstration... #
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And you just can rely on him.
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# To get my fair share of abuse
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# Singing, we're gonna vent
our temptation
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# And if we don't,
we gonna blow a 50-amp fuse. #
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Y'all sing it now.
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He's more of a controller
and an organiser than he knows.
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It's just what he is built to do.
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He wants to see this ship sail.
You know?
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# You can't always get
what you want. #
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I'm not a control freak.
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That is really...
That must be really boring.
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# You get what you need. #
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Someone has to be in control
of an enterprise like this.
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It's not only about music.
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I'm representing the band
in a way to make sure
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that they don't get fucked.
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Mick Jagger has fronted
The Rolling Stones
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for more than half a century.
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I had several neighbours
in my little suburban community
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who played guitar
and played together.
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And I used to go to these kind of...
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..dances, I suppose they were,
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and there'd be
rather greasy bands playing.
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And I'd ask, could I come and...
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I was probably 15, 16.
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"Can I...can I sing a song?"
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And they were...
Yeah, they were nice.
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And they'd said,
"Yeah, go on, then."
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# Well, you got me runnin', baby
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# You got me hidin' too
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# Tell me, tell me, baby
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# What we gonna do... #
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And it used to go down quite well.
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So, you know, I'd think,
"Yeah, I can do this.
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"And people seem to like me."
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I mean, I didn't have a band.
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The Stones form in 1962,
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and their first classic line-up
soon takes shape.
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Mick Jagger, Keith Richards,
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Charlie Watts, Bill Wyman,
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and the band's founder, Brian Jones.
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And this song, Honey What's Wrong,
is from their first-ever demo.
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# Now, don't treat me, baby
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# Like you used to do. #
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A lot of stuff
with this Rolling Stones mythology
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is it's, like, The Rolling Stones,
this blues band...
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And, you know, it started off...
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It's all true.
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But really, The Rolling Stones
are a rock band.
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It's all bullshit, the mythology.
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Rock music was the thing.
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We loved rock music
from the '50s.
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Crackers like Sweet 16, Chuck Berry.
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We were kids
and we were high energy.
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What we were popular for was playing
this rock music.
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That's what we did.
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But you had to label yourself
as a blues band to get a gig.
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We weren't really
ONLY just a blues band.
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We're an everything band.
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It takes the Stones just a few
months to blow up in the UK,
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with a sound and image ready
for almost instant fame.
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What's it like being a Stone
and having this 24 hours a day?
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Well, it's something that you get
used to, especially...
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We've been doing it for, well,
the sort of screaming thing,
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for about two years now.
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And after two years of it,
it just becomes part of your life.
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I remember talking to
Mick once and I said,
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"What's it like to be famous?"
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And he said, "You're not
really asking the right person
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"because I've been famous
ever since I was 17."
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From their very first UK number one
and its follow-up,
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this cover of Willie Dixon's
Little Red Rooster,
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the rise of the Stones is rapid,
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part of a revolution in British pop
that takes place on screen.
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# I am the little red rooster
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# Too lazy to crow for day
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# I am the little red rooster
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# To lazy to crow for day. #
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Television is hugely important.
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Millions of people would watch
these shows.
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When I was a teenager,
there was a couple of rock shows,
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but you would never miss that show
cos it's the only rock show a week.
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It is a fact -
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the streets in this country
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would be empty
on a Friday night
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because everyone was watching
"Ready Steady Go!"
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I could see how important this was.
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Everyone's watching this.
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# Hounds begin to howl. #
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That's going to stand you out
from all the other people.
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So you've got to learn
to work that medium.
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You've got to figure out how
you're going to make an impression.
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# If you see my little red rooster
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# Please drive him home. #
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I used to go to "Ready Steady Go!"
when we weren't even on.
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I would work out
how the camera angles worked.
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I would work out
what we were going to do.
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# Ain't had no peace
in the farmyard
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# Since my little red rooster's
been gone. #
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And I practised my moves, you know,
at home, and I would be rehearsed.
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But to really make it big
in the UK and in America,
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the Stones need more songs,
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hit songs,
and preferably written by them.
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Andrew Oldham, who was our manager
at the time, said, you know,
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"You've got to start writing songs
like The Beatles,
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"because we can't
just keep doing cover songs."
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We knew we had to be a pop band.
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We wanted to write pop songs.
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I mean, Andrew wasn't
particularly talented
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in any direction.
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Andrew was just Andrew,
and what Andrew did was saw
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our possibilities.
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It's songwriting that turns
the Stones into global superstars.
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And the writers of the hits
are Keith and Mick, not Brian.
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Good. Let me get up here
and say hi to Brian.
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Brian is one of the writers
of most of the things, right?
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No, I'm not, actually.
Well, I'm not really a writer.
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He was very musical, so he was...
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He could pick up
different instruments
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and he was quite innovative.
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A lot of his contributions
were perhaps not from melodies
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or lyrics or anything,
but from licks that he played
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as a musician.
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Mick and Keith write
more...many of our...
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These are the two that are supposed
to be all the writing talent.
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You fellows get together
and do most of the writing, right?
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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I mean, yeah, he liked
to tell people it was his band,
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but we was always like, "Really?
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"Really, it's your band?"
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We thought it was OUR band.
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The future as a Rolling Stone
is very uncertain.
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It's Jagger and Richards
who will soon give their friends,
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Lennon and McCartney,
a run for their money.
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If you listen to all
the popular songs ten years ago,
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very few of them
actually mean anything
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or have any relation
to what people are doing.
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They don't... Songs didn't have
any relation to what people actually
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spend their lives doing,
like getting up, washing,
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going to work, coming back
and feeling very screwed up
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about certain things.
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Life for the working guy
never changed.
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You still live
in a council house.
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You still had to pay your rent.
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And then you hear
"dam-dam, da-da-da."
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All right!
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MUSIC: Satisfaction
by The Rolling Stones plays
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I remember the first time
I heard it,
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and I just went,
"What the hell is that?"
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# I can't get no
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# Satisfaction
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# I can't get no
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# Satisfaction
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# And I try, and I try
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# And I try, and I try
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# I can't get no
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# I can't get no... #
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There's this pool,
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and there's this motel
in Clearwater, Florida.
252
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And I remember sitting with Keith
and writing the song Satisfaction.
253
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Andrew Oldham said,
"This is like a number one single,
254
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"This is great."
255
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Keith was like,
"I don't really like it.
256
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"It can't come out as a single."
257
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And it went to number one,
like, instantly.
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# Oh, no, no
259
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# Hey, hey, hey. #
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It was like a big moment.
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You know, it became
your signature tune,
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your cri de coeur,
your sexuality, your controversy.
263
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You need to have that song
that everyone remembers.
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# I can't get no
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# Satisfaction
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# And I try... #
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It turned everybody on.
268
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It was just a brilliant song.
269
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Those boys were building
a new road to the future.
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It makes a huge change,
and it also brings you
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into a much more confident era
of writing, production,
272
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all that stuff.
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Wait a minute.
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There's at least 15
huge hit songs here.
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Paint It Black, Ruby Tuesday,
Get Off My Cloud, Under My Thumb...
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Christ.
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Most bands would be happy
to get one of those.
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# I can't get no
279
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# I can't get no... #
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All right.
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Behind it is this sort of cynicism
and reality of all the blues things
282
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that I'd been listening to
283
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since I was very young,
very, very young.
284
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And there's a way of speaking
and a way of talking about life
285
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and a way of being sexually
roundabout but sexually
286
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kind of provocative.
287
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Mick is sexy.
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And he knew he was sexy,
289
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confident,
and he was so cool.
290
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He's got those lips.
291
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And for me, I love to kiss,
292
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so I was a kisser.
293
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You know what I mean?
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I do remember meeting him.
295
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I'm 15.
296
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I was slightly wary,
297
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and Mick went, "Hello, Lulu."
298
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And I tried to string a few words
together,
299
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and I believe I spoke to him.
300
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I don't really know that I said
very much, or could even engage
301
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properly in a conversation.
302
00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:17,020
I was frightened.
I was afraid of him.
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All that sexual image
that sort of oozed.
304
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It was scary.
305
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SHE LAUGHS
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Exciting and scary.
307
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For some reason,
Mick Jagger's got
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this thing
where he can project
309
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that wild animal
that's in all of us.
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It's like, "Yeah, that's...
That's who we are."
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You celebrate the true nature
of the human being
312
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when you look at Mick Jagger.
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All right! CROWD: All right!
314
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Well, all right! All right!
315
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When it came to how to present
myself on stage and everything,
316
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I really didn't know how to do that.
317
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And when I sing this song, I want
everybody to raise your hands.
318
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Everybody, raise your hand.
Come on.
319
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Little Richard literally
taught me how to do this stuff.
320
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He would say, "Oh, you've got
to get them involved.
321
00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:09,820
"You've got to get them standing up.
322
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"If they're not standing up,
tell them,
323
00:17:11,460 --> 00:17:13,580
"you've got to tell them
to stand up, you know?"
324
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Everybody say, "Well, all right!"
ALL: All right!
325
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You know, and they would.
326
00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:19,860
You!
327
00:17:22,860 --> 00:17:23,900
You!
328
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# You! #
329
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When I was on stage,
you'd feel it very strongly
330
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these people giving you this energy.
331
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And you don't really understand,
you just feel it.
332
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You don't understand really
what they're trying to say,
333
00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:43,620
what they want, what they need
from you, what they need from life.
334
00:17:43,620 --> 00:17:47,100
But you just feel that they need
something, and they're giving...
335
00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:48,620
..giving it to you.
336
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He knows what he wants.
337
00:17:50,860 --> 00:17:54,260
And you know when he knows,
cos he starts to respond
338
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and he starts to sing and he starts
to move...
339
00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:58,260
And voom, voom, voom...
340
00:17:58,260 --> 00:17:59,300
And it starts.
341
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Yeah, really enjoy life.
342
00:18:01,620 --> 00:18:04,700
I've heard Keith saying
on more than one occasion
343
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about what a great
performer Mick is.
344
00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:09,940
"He could perform
on a coffee table."
345
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He's really proud of his guy,
346
00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:15,180
and he knows the responsibility
that Mick takes on.
347
00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:18,260
It takes a lot of balls to stand up
and command an audience
348
00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:19,580
of 100,000 people.
349
00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:24,420
You're not the same person
on stage as you are
350
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the rest of the time.
351
00:18:26,420 --> 00:18:29,820
You have to be very, very,
very egotistical.
352
00:18:29,820 --> 00:18:33,340
Cos that's... I mean, you're acting,
you're doing an act for them.
353
00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:34,780
It's not really you.
354
00:18:35,780 --> 00:18:38,540
What do you set out to do
in your act?
355
00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:42,340
Entertain people.
356
00:18:44,420 --> 00:18:47,700
Most successful entertainers
have always been
357
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the most egotistical ones.
358
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All that ego is got rid of onstage.
359
00:18:52,820 --> 00:18:55,020
What sort of person do you think
you are off the stage?
360
00:18:56,380 --> 00:18:58,020
About half as egotistical.
361
00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:03,540
HE VOCALISES
362
00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:09,140
I think Mick Jagger
has this wonderful gift.
363
00:19:09,140 --> 00:19:11,500
He can make
a huge stadium,
364
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seem like a small room
365
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and make everybody feel involved.
366
00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:17,340
And that's the secret.
367
00:19:17,340 --> 00:19:20,300
# Everywhere I hear the sound
368
00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:24,020
# Of marching, changing feet, boy
369
00:19:24,020 --> 00:19:28,100
# Cos summer's here
and the time is right... #
370
00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:31,860
They always find a way to make
even the biggest of the shows
371
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as intimate as possible.
372
00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:36,580
And, obviously, Mick Jagger
does it incredibly well.
373
00:19:36,580 --> 00:19:39,060
# Except to sing
for a rock and roll band
374
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# Cos in sleepy London town
375
00:19:42,140 --> 00:19:45,620
# There's just no place
for a street fighting man. #
376
00:19:45,620 --> 00:19:47,180
He works at it.
377
00:19:47,180 --> 00:19:49,220
He works hard at it.
378
00:19:49,220 --> 00:19:51,340
And he gets them hips going.
379
00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,580
And he gets them legs going.
380
00:19:53,580 --> 00:19:55,140
He's got his thing.
381
00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:56,780
He dances his ass off.
382
00:19:58,140 --> 00:20:01,820
It ain't the latest dance move
that everybody is trying to do.
383
00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:04,380
No, it's HIS dance.
384
00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:07,580
And he dances the shit
out of his dance.
385
00:20:07,580 --> 00:20:11,780
# Compromise solution
386
00:20:11,780 --> 00:20:14,980
# But what can a poor boy do
387
00:20:14,980 --> 00:20:18,460
# Except to sing
for a rock and roll band
388
00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:21,100
# Cos in sleepy London town
389
00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:24,500
# There's just no place
for a street fighting man. #
390
00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:28,820
And Mick is taught
by some of the all-time greats,
391
00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:33,100
many of whom share a stage
with the Stones on tour.
392
00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:36,860
He was watching me,
just watching every move,
393
00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:41,660
this white-faced person
behind the speakers,
394
00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:44,420
just watching me
while I was doing my thing.
395
00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:47,980
Mick would always
come backstage
396
00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:49,500
to the dressing room
397
00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:52,100
and we would, like,
show him moves
398
00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,260
and steps and things.
399
00:20:54,260 --> 00:20:59,380
He was OK, but I didn't think
he was going to amount to anything.
400
00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:00,620
Sorry, Mick!
401
00:21:00,620 --> 00:21:02,620
SHE LAUGHS
402
00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:05,820
# Except to sing
for a rock n' roll band
403
00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:08,580
# Cos in sleepy London town
404
00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:12,180
# There's just no place
for a street fighting man. #
405
00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:13,940
Really, in rock music,
406
00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:16,700
it's about personality
more than virtuosity.
407
00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:19,460
It's not what's best
and it's not even what's good.
408
00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:21,580
If you want good, go see a musical,
409
00:21:21,580 --> 00:21:23,900
where they've all been trained
to sing.
410
00:21:23,900 --> 00:21:27,140
I don't think people even think
that Mick has a beautiful voice.
411
00:21:27,140 --> 00:21:28,740
It's just Mick Jagger.
412
00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:33,620
I think he is
a great dancer
413
00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:36,820
in the way that
he expresses himself.
414
00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:42,020
It's like when you see a young child
415
00:21:42,020 --> 00:21:44,100
learning how to dance,
416
00:21:44,100 --> 00:21:45,980
but they do it with so much heart,
417
00:21:45,980 --> 00:21:47,740
you can't help but embrace it.
418
00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:50,900
SHE LAUGHS
419
00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:53,660
The way that he dances,
420
00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:59,940
it is total belief and freedom
of expression and individuality.
421
00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:26,820
The transformation is complete.
422
00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:30,140
This is Mick Jagger,
the charismatic frontman.
423
00:22:34,620 --> 00:22:37,140
Here's Michael wearing
a pair of ordinary gym shoes,
424
00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:40,380
which should you'd wear
when you were playing tennis.
425
00:22:40,380 --> 00:22:42,820
And this is Mike Jagger,
426
00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:45,060
just a few years earlier.
427
00:22:45,060 --> 00:22:48,100
A swotty, sporty schoolboy
428
00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:50,020
with academic ambitions
429
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:52,900
and his sights set on higher things.
430
00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:57,260
I'm working hard at my schoolwork.
431
00:22:57,260 --> 00:22:59,380
I'm quite academic.
432
00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:03,340
I want to go to university,
so I can't just fuck about.
433
00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:06,900
You spent, I think, two years
at the London School of Economics.
434
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:10,740
Yeah. So I've been trying to unlearn
everything I learnt ever since.
435
00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:13,740
But I've, I think, almost succeeded.
436
00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:16,340
Would you ever think
of going back there? No.
437
00:23:16,340 --> 00:23:17,500
No, I don't think so.
438
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:19,020
I didn't like it there very much.
439
00:23:19,020 --> 00:23:21,980
What didn't you like about
that sort of academic learning?
440
00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:24,660
I wasn't given any freedom.
441
00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:28,580
But Mick is about to discover
442
00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:33,060
that freedom can have consequences
he can't always control.
443
00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:35,620
He's on his way to Redlands,
444
00:23:35,620 --> 00:23:39,060
the new country residence
of Mr Keith Richards.
445
00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:45,060
"Dear Mick, do come to lovely party
in Redlands. Acid provided."
446
00:23:45,060 --> 00:23:48,060
I don't think that was on the
invitation, but I can't remember.
447
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:50,620
Keith might remember
because he had to buy the acid.
448
00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:53,380
He'd just got Redlands
and he'd done it up
449
00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:56,180
and he wanted everyone to see, like,
as you do, you know what I mean?
450
00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:58,940
As you do up a nice house
in the country and you want everyone
451
00:23:58,940 --> 00:24:01,020
to come for a weekend.
452
00:24:01,020 --> 00:24:04,300
It was quite a kind of
bohemian weekend, really.
453
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,860
We went for a nice walk.
454
00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:11,500
# She comes in colours everywhere. #
455
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:14,100
And there was a lot of drugs there.
456
00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:15,420
LSD, hash...
457
00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:17,380
We were just having fun.
458
00:24:17,380 --> 00:24:19,580
And then the fuzz bust in, man.
459
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,820
When you're on acid, being busted,
it's very odd.
460
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:29,500
It's not fun being busted at all.
461
00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:32,620
But being busted on acid
is really weird.
462
00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:34,580
KEITH RICHARDS: They were breaking
in my house.
463
00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:36,260
JOKINGLY: The police
were against you!
464
00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:38,220
Unnecessary authority.
465
00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:40,180
The establishment was against you!
466
00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:42,860
I always felt that
they were picking on me.
467
00:24:42,860 --> 00:24:46,060
Man, they're all against us.
They want to shut us down!
468
00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:50,020
Of course, that only reinforced
my wariness of authority.
469
00:24:50,020 --> 00:24:52,820
What they're trying to do is,
like, close the Stones down!
470
00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:55,940
I still carry a chip.
471
00:24:57,380 --> 00:25:00,700
Yeah. I could use a joint right now.
You know?
472
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,620
HE LAUGHS
473
00:25:03,620 --> 00:25:06,340
But it's no laughing matter.
474
00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:09,900
The arrests steer the Stones
into a storm of controversy.
475
00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:13,500
Drugs raid. Jagger arrest.
476
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,940
Keith Richards being arrested.
477
00:25:15,940 --> 00:25:19,020
It was all adding
to this whole idea
478
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,980
of this rebel outfit.
479
00:25:20,980 --> 00:25:23,380
The first reaction is, "Oh, my God,
what am I going to do?"
480
00:25:23,380 --> 00:25:25,020
You know, and,
"What does my mum think?"
481
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:27,900
Because they say you could go
to prison for five years.
482
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:32,340
You've now been derailed
from your amazing life
483
00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:33,980
of a pop singer.
484
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:38,700
It takes the emphasis
off your career and achievements.
485
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:40,540
It makes you a group of drug addicts
486
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:43,220
rather than a talented group
of musicians.
487
00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:47,020
But the band have always risked
falling victim
488
00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:49,420
to their bad-boy image,
489
00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:53,100
the invention of their manager,
Andrew Loog Oldham.
490
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:58,940
I think that Andrew very much
like to contrive the danger,
491
00:25:58,940 --> 00:26:03,620
cos he saw that very cleverly
as a foil for The Beatles.
492
00:26:03,620 --> 00:26:06,180
They got cleaned up
by their manager,
493
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:09,620
to make them more palatable
to the public.
494
00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:12,620
Otherwise, they were
exactly the same as we were.
495
00:26:12,620 --> 00:26:13,660
Filthy swine.
496
00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:19,020
But Brian Epstein
didn't want to sell them as such.
497
00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:22,820
He sold them as these lovable scamps
and funny,
498
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:24,860
and could be sarcastic,
499
00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:26,660
but nevertheless lovable.
500
00:26:26,660 --> 00:26:31,180
So Andrew wanted us to be more nasty
501
00:26:31,180 --> 00:26:34,820
and more dirty, more of an edge.
502
00:26:34,820 --> 00:26:37,220
Which is a very good sell.
503
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:39,060
And it wasn't difficult
for us to do
504
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:41,140
because, you know,
you're that age,
505
00:26:41,140 --> 00:26:43,540
it's quite easy to have that edge.
506
00:26:45,380 --> 00:26:47,740
The gentlemen of the press
have been kept waiting.
507
00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:50,620
Mick Jagger is half an hour late
for his press conference.
508
00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:54,140
His fine contempt for convention
seems to irritate journalists.
509
00:26:54,140 --> 00:26:56,780
So you think he'll be coming
into a hostile audience?
510
00:26:56,780 --> 00:26:58,220
I would imagine so, yes.
511
00:26:58,220 --> 00:27:01,140
Journalists would be
very patronising.
512
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:06,460
Morning! Good morning.
Good afternoon!
513
00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:08,700
What do you think of him?
514
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,260
Oh, he does a damn good job
of what he wants to do,
515
00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:12,900
which is to be a paid exhibitionist.
516
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,420
He makes a lot of money.
He laughs all the way to the bank,
517
00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:16,580
as Liberace said.
518
00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:19,700
Do you like press conferences? No.
LAUGHTER
519
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:20,980
Why not?
520
00:27:20,980 --> 00:27:24,540
Oh, I just like... I really
like to keep myself to myself.
521
00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:28,620
I always remember one point
where Brian used the word
522
00:27:28,620 --> 00:27:30,580
in a stupid press conference -
523
00:27:30,580 --> 00:27:31,900
"esoteric."
524
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:34,700
IMITATING BRIAN: It's
a bit esoteric, really.
525
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,220
And he'd used the word eclectic
quite a lot as well.
526
00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:40,580
They were so shocked, and
we would obviously tease him
527
00:27:40,580 --> 00:27:44,780
and behave like yobs as well,
so they didn't know what to expect.
528
00:27:44,780 --> 00:27:47,180
If you want to follow up
in TV journalism
529
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:49,740
what rubbish they dish out
in the press,
530
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:50,940
then you're pretty low.
531
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:54,420
So watch out, boy.
532
00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:58,140
One half of you is sort of the yob,
and the other half is saying,
533
00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:00,700
"Well, yeah, we also know
what we're talking about."
534
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:04,220
Mick Jagger needs the reporters,
and the reporters need him.
535
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:06,620
A sort of love/hate relationship.
536
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:10,180
The press can be savage,
so you have to be very careful.
537
00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:15,300
In fact, the News Of The World
helped them get busted
538
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:17,100
in the first place.
539
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,780
But in a famous editorial,
that bastion of the establishment,
540
00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:24,900
The Times, actually sticks up
for them, arguing that artists
541
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:26,740
should not be crushed by the law,
542
00:28:26,740 --> 00:28:29,020
and the law listens.
543
00:28:29,020 --> 00:28:31,340
There was obviously a collusion
between the police
544
00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:32,980
and the newspaper.
545
00:28:32,980 --> 00:28:35,300
I mean, that's not questioned.
546
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,460
But I was freed from jail
by the establishment.
547
00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:42,220
It's years since such crowds
gathered to await an appeal verdict.
548
00:28:42,220 --> 00:28:45,260
But this was a Rolling Stones case,
with the fans out in force.
549
00:28:45,260 --> 00:28:48,620
When Mick Jagger was conditionally
discharged and Keith Richards's
550
00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:51,380
sentence quashed, the pop idols
drove off,
551
00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:53,980
the shadow of jail
no longer over them.
552
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:58,740
Earlier today, Mick Jagger talked
briefly to a press conference
553
00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:01,140
after the Lord Chief Justice
Lord Parker had quashed
554
00:29:01,140 --> 00:29:04,260
his three months' prison sentence
for possessing amphetamine tablets.
555
00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:07,620
It was a complete waste
of everybody's time.
556
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:08,780
Bollocks, basically.
557
00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:15,300
Publicity since the case has shown
up a split between the society
558
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,860
which resents the anarchy
of people like the Stones
559
00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:20,940
and that which favours
greater individual freedom.
560
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:25,100
It had ramifications
far beyond just a drug bust.
561
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:27,260
It had a lot of social implications.
562
00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:29,740
What's wrong
with people smoking drugs?
563
00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:31,780
This is when this first came up.
564
00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:33,900
This became a big discussion.
565
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:38,900
You're often taken as a sort
of symbol of rebellion.
566
00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:42,580
Do you think that the society
that you live in
567
00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:44,540
is one you ought to rebel against?
568
00:29:44,540 --> 00:29:46,460
Or do you think you're rebelling
against it?
569
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:48,940
Yes, definitely
rebelling against it.
570
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:56,300
# I was born
in a cross-fire hurricane
571
00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:03,780
# And I howled at my ma
in the driving rain
572
00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:10,420
# But it's all right now
573
00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:12,620
# In fact, it's a gas
574
00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:16,260
# But it's all right
575
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:17,860
# I'm Jumpin' Jack Flash
576
00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:20,100
# It's a gas, gas, gas...#
577
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:24,220
Kids are looking for something else
or some different moral value.
578
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:28,620
The whole sort of basis of society
and values which were accepted
579
00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:33,340
could be changed, but it's up to
them to carry on those ideals
580
00:30:33,340 --> 00:30:37,220
that they have, instead of just
falling into the same old routine
581
00:30:37,220 --> 00:30:39,860
that their parents have fallen into.
582
00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:47,500
# But it's all right now
583
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,140
# In fact, it's a gas
584
00:30:49,140 --> 00:30:52,980
# But it's all right
585
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:56,980
# I'm Jumping Jack Flash,
it's a gas, gas, gas #.
586
00:30:56,980 --> 00:31:01,020
The violence of the Vietnam War
is what's causing the blowback
587
00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:04,100
of the violence
in the street. Right?
588
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:08,580
Because the violence in the street
is a direct consequence
589
00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:14,140
of the Vietnam War, and that gives
causes a right to violence,
590
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:17,540
because the state
is perpetrating the violence
591
00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:19,700
on other people, big time.
592
00:31:25,580 --> 00:31:28,460
At Grosvenor Square, police waited
for the marchers to arrive.
593
00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:30,620
They'd been told
there'd be no violence.
594
00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:32,380
Sincerely they hope so.
595
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:36,140
1968 is a turbulent year.
596
00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:40,820
And Mick is in the thick of it.
597
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:45,100
If you want to demonstrate, we have
to meet them on their own ground.
598
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:49,380
If they want to use horses,
we'll have 10,000 people on a horse.
599
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:50,900
That I love.
600
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,700
And that's that I thought
when I was there.
601
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,900
That's what it should have been.
602
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:57,540
I couldn't believe how vicious
the police were.
603
00:31:57,540 --> 00:31:59,140
That was the scary thing.
604
00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:03,220
The mounted police just chasing
at people with their horses
605
00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:05,580
in the middle of Grosvenor Square.
606
00:32:05,580 --> 00:32:06,980
Really scary.
607
00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:13,300
There was nothing going on violent
from the crowd at all.
608
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:17,140
It was pretty peaceful,
and the police made it not peaceful.
609
00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:19,060
That's what I remember.
610
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:21,140
As 1968 thunders on,
611
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:25,740
Mick writes a song that peers
into the Heart of Darkness.
612
00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:38,500
# Please let me introduce myself
613
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:42,180
# I'm a man with wealth and taste
614
00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:48,420
# I've been around for many
a long, long year
615
00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:51,780
# Stole many a man's soul and faith
616
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:57,340
# Yes, I was 'round
when Jesus Christ
617
00:32:57,340 --> 00:33:00,300
# Had his moment of doubt
and pain...#
618
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,940
When you involve religion,
it always gives it an extra frisson.
619
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:07,580
So, it's obviously got
religious overtones.
620
00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:12,180
When I wrote it, I wasn't thinking
of how provocative that was.
621
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:14,060
I had read all these things
about you,
622
00:33:14,060 --> 00:33:16,500
and some people call you
the Devil incarnate.
623
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,580
I don't know who started that.
624
00:33:18,580 --> 00:33:21,100
I don't know.
British journalists and all.
625
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,660
# Pleased to meet y'all
626
00:33:23,660 --> 00:33:26,980
# Hope you guess my name
627
00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:35,700
# But what's puzzling you
is the nature of my game...#
628
00:33:38,860 --> 00:33:40,900
You're not this image
that people have of you.
629
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:42,460
I don't know what that is.
630
00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:45,140
Well, it's a sort of sexy,
evil, satanic...
631
00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:48,860
You can be nice, nasty,
masculine, feminine.
632
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:51,260
You know, all those things.
633
00:33:51,260 --> 00:33:54,580
And everyone is all those things.
634
00:33:54,580 --> 00:33:56,660
Try and make it a bit more life.
635
00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:58,060
Not clipped...
636
00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:07,140
Reluctantly, Mick becomes
the poster boy for a troubled era,
637
00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:09,980
with trouble followed by tragedy.
638
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,140
OK, now, listen...
639
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:37,380
I really don't know how to do
this sort of thing,
640
00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:38,740
but I'm going to try.
641
00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:43,300
..just say a few words
that I think I feel about Brian,
642
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,380
and I'm sure you do,
643
00:34:45,380 --> 00:34:50,540
and what we feel about him just
going when we didn't expect him to.
644
00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:53,340
OK, are you going to be quiet
or not?
645
00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:58,060
Peace. Peace.
646
00:34:58,060 --> 00:35:01,420
He is not dead. He does not sleep.
647
00:35:01,420 --> 00:35:04,300
He has awakened
from the dreams of life.
648
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:08,260
It's we that are lost
in stormy visions
649
00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:11,660
and keep with phantoms
and unprofitable strife.
650
00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:16,580
And in a mad trance,
we strike with a spirit's knife.
651
00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:19,580
APPLAUSE
652
00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:20,860
All right.
653
00:35:22,460 --> 00:35:26,500
Six months after Brian's death,
another tragedy,
654
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:30,860
as a chaotic free concert in America
ends in murder.
655
00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:35,580
OK, it's definitely on.
656
00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:38,220
Well, they've decided now
they're going to hold the concert
657
00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:40,060
at Altamont Speedway.
658
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:48,300
So, in the '60s, I was only
interested in being, you know,
659
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:50,660
a good musician and
a good performer and so on.
660
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:55,060
I let other people do the control
part of it, which was a mistake.
661
00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:01,420
Our tour manager said, we're going
to do it in this place called
662
00:36:01,420 --> 00:36:04,380
Altamont, which I'd never heard of,
and I don't think anyone else had.
663
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:05,820
He said, "It's all going to be fine.
664
00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:08,460
"It's San Francisco, you know,
you don't have to worry about it.
665
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:10,140
"It's peace and love."
666
00:36:10,140 --> 00:36:12,860
When we got there, it was
the antithesis of peace and love.
667
00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:15,140
It was a disastrous mess.
668
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:18,460
The Hells Angels were
the people doing the security.
669
00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:20,300
You had no control over anything.
670
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:22,460
And we were... We were scared.
671
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:28,860
We felt something bad was going on
and these people were crazy
672
00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:31,420
and they were, like,
standing next to you.
673
00:36:31,420 --> 00:36:33,860
And it was scary.
674
00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:36,420
The whole thing was out of control.
675
00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:47,860
Altamont, California.
676
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:51,740
Four people in the audience of
a free and unscheduled concert died,
677
00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:53,380
one of them from stab wounds.
678
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:58,500
All we could do was get out without
getting in trouble ourselves.
679
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:00,140
It was just a nightmare.
680
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:05,500
Life as a Rolling Stone
is spiralling into chaos.
681
00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:15,660
After that, the '60s period,
then we had to take more control,
682
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:19,820
so that's when I had to take
that role on a bit more,
683
00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:21,660
not that I particularly wanted to.
684
00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:23,780
The ideal, in this situation,
685
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:27,420
is to have someone that will do
all that for you.
686
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:29,740
But I never really found
anyone like that.
687
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:34,380
LAUGHTER
688
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:54,540
The Rolling Stones
are about to find out
689
00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:57,060
that their taxes
have not been paid for years
690
00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:59,260
and they're not as rich as they
691
00:37:59,260 --> 00:38:02,460
or the British government
thinks they are.
692
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:07,060
There was nobody actively
managing The Rolling Stones' money.
693
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:10,980
Rolling Stones had no money
in the bank.
694
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:15,420
So now I had to try and put my head
down and try and solve this puzzle.
695
00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:16,940
To create income,
696
00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:22,140
we decided that the best way
of doing that was to leave the UK,
697
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:24,380
because we'd have to pay less tax.
698
00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:28,180
At the time, it looked
as if it was a total curse.
699
00:38:28,180 --> 00:38:32,220
By the time we dealt with it,
I think that it was a blessing.
700
00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:35,220
Quite honestly, we'd grown
too big for England's boots.
701
00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,860
Keith always says that he was chased
out of England by the cops.
702
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:43,980
He may believe that, but the real
reason the band left was money.
703
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:49,660
Mick is forced
to take on the main responsibility
704
00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:51,860
for the band's fortunes.
705
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:57,980
The band would certainly
have their say in everything
706
00:38:57,980 --> 00:39:02,460
and, if they weren't particularly
interested in having a say
about a certain detail,
707
00:39:02,460 --> 00:39:04,580
then I'd have my say
and I would tell them,
708
00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:07,780
"This is what we'll do. Do you
agree?" And they would say, "Yes."
709
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:10,180
Now we work a bit that way now.
710
00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:16,260
The word democracy is used to keep
everyone, you know, pacified
711
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:19,860
but you really have to have a strong
leader in any organisation.
712
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:24,100
You have to trust someone, trust
that they know better than you do.
713
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:27,340
Mick's not going to let anything
go wrong because he's in control.
714
00:39:27,340 --> 00:39:30,980
He was armed with the playbook
of the London School of Economics
715
00:39:30,980 --> 00:39:34,260
and, my heavens, he was well armed!
716
00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:39,540
I think he brings rigour,
discipline,
717
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:43,180
a 360 vision on everything.
718
00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:45,700
He's across all the detail.
719
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:47,660
He tests every proposition.
720
00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:52,020
And to interact with him, you've
got to stay at the top of your game.
721
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:56,180
You've got to be in the A-stream
really to try and keep up with him.
722
00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:59,740
Someone has to be the person
that says, "Look, this is
what we should be doing."
723
00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:06,180
People can disagree with you,
say, "We're not doing that" or
"We want to do something different."
724
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:10,020
But I don't mind to be in control
of certain situations
725
00:40:10,020 --> 00:40:13,300
that I feel that I'm confident,
that I know what I'm talking about.
726
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:20,380
Step one for Stones 2.0 is a
brand-new deal, brokered by Mick,
727
00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:24,460
with Atlantic Records agreeing
to warehouse their own label.
728
00:40:24,460 --> 00:40:27,860
The band is about to become a brand.
729
00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:33,980
We were doing
the Sticky Fingers cover.
730
00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:37,820
I don't know why
I thought it should have a logo.
731
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:42,620
I remember stopping
at a Shell Oil gas station
732
00:40:42,620 --> 00:40:46,380
and the big picture of
a yellow shell, no letters.
733
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:47,500
Wow!
734
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,420
Everyone knows it's Shell.
735
00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:52,300
We need a logo
that stands by itself.
736
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:55,540
And so I think I'd gone
to John Pasche and said,
737
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:59,940
"Let's try and get some funky
idea," and I gave him this idea.
738
00:40:59,940 --> 00:41:02,100
I was at the Royal
College of Art,
739
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:03,940
studying graphic design.
740
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:07,740
The college got a call
from the Stones' office,
741
00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:11,100
asking for them
to put forward a student
742
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,420
to come and see Mick Jagger.
743
00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:14,820
What a break!
744
00:41:14,820 --> 00:41:18,860
I think a lot of people believe
the lips are sort of based on Mick,
745
00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:20,620
but that's not really true.
746
00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:25,540
I gave him this idea of
this disembodied tongue of Kali,
747
00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:27,940
and so then he modernised that.
748
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:32,500
I saw it as maybe a symbol
of protest, of anti-establishment.
749
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:35,420
It was like kids
sticking their tongue out.
750
00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:39,740
It had to work as a stand-alone
symbol, if you like, for the band,
751
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:41,180
which was unusual.
752
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:44,780
I mean, there were brandings
for companies and so on
753
00:41:44,780 --> 00:41:48,380
but not so much
in the rock-and-roll world, really.
754
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:51,860
It related to the band.
It had a connection.
755
00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:56,420
Colour, fuck you,
funkiness, originality,
756
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:58,420
and so that's why it stuck, I think.
757
00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:01,220
I think that tongue
is as important
758
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:03,860
as any fashion logo
in the world
759
00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:07,940
and probably resonates
in every country, every city,
760
00:42:07,940 --> 00:42:10,700
with people knowing
exactly what it is.
761
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:14,140
JOHN: It's a logo that's sort of
really gone round the world now.
762
00:42:16,140 --> 00:42:17,940
It's a Rolling Stones weekend
on Radio 1,
763
00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:20,020
and their record
has gone up seven places
764
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:22,020
to number seven
in the chart this week -
765
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:24,300
The Stones, Fool To Cry.
766
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,980
MUSIC: Fool To Cry
by The Rolling Stones
767
00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:32,180
But Mick Jagger is more
than just a brand manager.
768
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:33,580
He's a band member
769
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:37,580
and a musician as essential
as a Keith Richards riff
770
00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:40,500
to the signature Stones sound.
771
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:43,140
# When I come home, baby
772
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:47,820
# And I've been working
all night long
773
00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:51,780
# I put my daughter on my knee
774
00:42:53,780 --> 00:42:55,260
# She says... #
775
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:58,740
I think if you have an
individual timbre of your voice,
776
00:42:58,740 --> 00:43:05,180
which is recognisable just by luck,
if you want, that's really helpful.
777
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:12,700
You know, the minute he parts
those lips, you know it's him.
778
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:16,580
When somebody meets him
and they talk to him,
779
00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:19,820
he speaks like
an English gentleman.
780
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:22,780
One perhaps doesn't ask
for responsibilities.
781
00:43:22,780 --> 00:43:25,700
Perhaps one
is given responsibilities
782
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:28,860
when one is pushed
into the limelight
783
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:30,540
in this particular sphere.
784
00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:35,580
# I go see her sometimes
and make love... #
785
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:37,580
When he starts to sing,
786
00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:40,460
he turns into a black man
from the south -
787
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:41,820
the Mick Jagger voice.
788
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:43,620
# I put my head on her shoulder
and she says
789
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:45,540
# Tell me all your troubles
790
00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:49,380
# You know what she say to me?
791
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:53,100
# She say, ooh... #
792
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:56,260
He's, like, listened to
those voices, you know,
793
00:43:56,260 --> 00:43:58,260
to, like, all those
blues singers,
794
00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:00,700
and he had it down.
795
00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:05,060
# And it makes me wonder why... #
796
00:44:06,340 --> 00:44:09,500
Loads of people have great voices
but, er,
797
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:12,700
er, like, lots of people
are great guitarists,
798
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,820
but that doesn't necessarily mean
you're going to be successful.
799
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:17,620
Have you got a good voice? No.
800
00:44:17,620 --> 00:44:19,900
Technically? No, not really.
801
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,620
I mean, I'm lucky
I still can sing
802
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:27,180
more or less, like, the same notes
as when I was 19.
803
00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:29,180
But, no, I haven't got
a great voice.
804
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:31,180
But it's OK, it does its job.
805
00:44:32,140 --> 00:44:35,220
Mick Jagger, the singer
with the group, a fascinating man.
806
00:44:35,220 --> 00:44:38,500
He's been described variously as
"the supreme sexual object
807
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:40,060
"in modern Western culture."
808
00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:43,180
That's a quote. "A compound of
menace and energy," is another one.
809
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:45,860
"A sadomasochistic freak,"
is another one,
810
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:46,980
and it's fascinating.
811
00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:52,660
Mick was not the same
person that I met in London
812
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:55,180
when he was standing
behind the speakers.
813
00:44:55,180 --> 00:44:57,260
He had come out of his shell
814
00:44:57,260 --> 00:45:04,780
because he had found what could make
him perform the way he wanted to.
815
00:45:04,780 --> 00:45:07,260
He became a great performer.
816
00:45:07,260 --> 00:45:10,020
He became Mick Jagger.
817
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:14,460
Mick decided what he wanted
to look like on stage,
818
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:16,940
whether it was something
very bohemian,
819
00:45:16,940 --> 00:45:19,260
something maybe glittery,
820
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:24,540
wearing eye make-up
and becoming very androgynous.
821
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:28,420
He was as chameleon-like as
you could possibly imagine,
822
00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:31,500
but Mick really didn't give a shit.
He did his thing anyway.
823
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:35,980
So that influenced me to really
go into the fashion business.
824
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:41,780
The Stones really innovated
that whole androgynous look.
825
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:46,420
It was a feminised way of dressing,
wearing their girlfriends' clothes,
826
00:45:46,420 --> 00:45:49,740
mixing it in with their wardrobe
when they had to, like, you know,
827
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:52,820
attract 50,000 people
to look at them on stage.
828
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:54,740
They adapted their look.
829
00:45:54,740 --> 00:45:59,020
How did you manage to make androgyny
look so butch?
830
00:45:59,020 --> 00:46:02,540
I didn't even know I was doing
androgyny. I was so naive.
831
00:46:02,540 --> 00:46:05,380
But I was. I was doing androgyny,
832
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:07,460
but obviously that was just the way
833
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:11,220
I was naturally, you know,
I was a bit fey.
834
00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:14,220
I remember Brian being
rather critical of me once
835
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:16,300
because he thought
I was too feminine.
836
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:19,380
I mean, I had my moments of that.
837
00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:23,780
Every, every outfit,
he just steals the screen.
838
00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:27,060
There's a lot of camp background
to theatre,
839
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:30,660
and rock and roll is still part
theatre in a way.
840
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:32,980
I had a great make-up artist called
Pierre
841
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:37,300
who would dress me up, like, wildly,
842
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:39,940
and I'd have to take some of
the layers off!
843
00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:42,740
And, you know, I loved it.
I loved dressing up.
844
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:44,940
Of course, you dress up
very effeminately,
845
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:47,700
but you don't act necessarily
feminine.
846
00:46:47,700 --> 00:46:51,860
By 1972, Mick has
never been more famous
847
00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:53,300
or infamous.
848
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:55,580
More than just a rock star,
849
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:59,340
he's an instantly recognisable
global celebrity.
850
00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:03,500
It can be really annoying
because people make
851
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:07,860
all these assumptions about you
but there's ways of dealing with it.
852
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:10,260
And some people can take it
and some people can't.
853
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:12,180
It's a bit of a pact with the devil,
really.
854
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:13,300
Cut.
855
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:20,380
I suddenly got an invite to go
to his wedding to Bianca.
856
00:47:20,380 --> 00:47:23,060
I thought, "Oh, this will be fun."
857
00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:26,420
I realised that it's
in the south of France.
858
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:28,420
He'd laid on a plane.
859
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:31,380
The plane's filling up with
all these artists
860
00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:34,300
and famous people of the day.
861
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:36,580
We had such a great weekend.
862
00:47:39,340 --> 00:47:40,700
Everyone was stoned.
863
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,620
And so it was a great atmosphere.
864
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:48,940
At probably the most chaotic
wedding of the year,
865
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:51,620
Mick Jagger arriving at
the Saint-Tropez town hall
866
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:53,980
with his bride, Bianca de Macias.
867
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:56,660
When Jagger found that there
were scores of photographers there,
868
00:47:56,660 --> 00:47:59,660
he said he refused to be married
in a goldfish bowl.
869
00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:01,580
However, in spite of all
the confusion,
870
00:48:01,580 --> 00:48:03,020
scuffling and shouting,
871
00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:06,180
one Rolling Stone at least
finally came to rest.
872
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:11,500
As Mick's fame grows, so does
his ambition for the band.
873
00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:18,340
From the 1970s on, the sheer scale
of their live performances
874
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:20,620
grows ever larger.
875
00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:24,300
I've been getting into lights and
things, which has been nice, but
876
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:27,540
I don't think anyone's really done
lights properly in this country.
877
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:30,620
Last week, New York City finally got
to see and hear the Rolling Stones.
878
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:33,580
We were the last stop on
a tour that I'm sure most
of you have heard about.
879
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:36,300
And the tour was amazingly
complicated, logistically,
880
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:39,900
in terms of moving them
and more than 100 people
that travel with them
881
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:42,380
and all the equipment
from city to city.
882
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:43,980
The Stones were
the first band
883
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:45,620
to have their own
stages built
884
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:47,140
and their own
stage designs,
885
00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:48,860
which were pretty extraordinary.
886
00:48:48,860 --> 00:48:51,660
That was Mick. That wasn't
anyone else. That was Mick.
887
00:48:57,180 --> 00:49:02,180
The next two decades see the Stones
create a travelling carnival
888
00:49:02,180 --> 00:49:04,660
that only they control.
889
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:07,500
I felt something like
I'd never felt in my life.
890
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:11,900
I felt like 20,000 people's
energy looking at Mick.
891
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:18,540
And I couldn't believe the sensation
of their focused energy.
892
00:49:18,540 --> 00:49:19,940
It's undescribable.
893
00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:23,420
When all these lights
come on in red,
894
00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:24,940
I'd like the whole stage
to be red
895
00:49:24,940 --> 00:49:27,780
and not to have just
the front area.
896
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:29,140
We've gone back to the crane.
897
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:31,500
I mean, I know we talked about
just losing the crane.
898
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:35,980
Steel Wheels in '89 was the
ground-breaking stadium tour.
899
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:38,780
It was the Stones who did
the first tours of stadia.
900
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:40,460
As they got bigger and bigger,
you know,
901
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:43,340
three or four nights at
Madison Square Garden wasn't enough.
902
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:48,780
They did create
the stadium rock show.
903
00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:52,220
That generations of people
go to see the Rolling Stones
904
00:49:52,220 --> 00:49:55,660
because it's a bucket list item,
it's a life experience,
905
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:57,260
it's a rite of passage.
906
00:49:57,260 --> 00:50:00,340
That stadium experience
was mind-blowing.
907
00:50:01,820 --> 00:50:05,620
I was just designing a playroom
for myself that was huge.
908
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:09,620
And I used to climb up the back
of this stage that was 90-foot high.
909
00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:11,780
No-one had seen anything like it.
910
00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:15,100
It's like in the old days
when the circus would come.
911
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:17,220
Rock music got
to that level.
912
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:19,180
It became this giant thing.
913
00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:22,380
Mick was running the show,
914
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:24,180
and I think he's always run
the show,
915
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:27,180
and I think they're all happy
that he did.
916
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:28,660
Are you ready for a little bit more?
917
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:33,740
We would go through the ideas
for these big stadium tours
918
00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:36,620
with the massive stages,
very expensive,
919
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:39,260
some of them just crazy and
wonderful.
920
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:43,220
There were so many ideas
and not all of them practical.
921
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:50,980
Mick wanted to have
an elephant come out
922
00:50:50,980 --> 00:50:52,540
at the end of a performance
923
00:50:52,540 --> 00:50:56,860
and present him with a rose
in the end of his trunk.
924
00:50:56,860 --> 00:50:59,980
What was he thinking?
What was he thinking?
925
00:50:59,980 --> 00:51:02,220
Mick will always
push the envelope a bit.
926
00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:05,300
Keith is the person
who might stop that.
927
00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:08,380
He famously stopped the elephant
on the stage.
928
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:09,780
Heh-heh! Everybody...
929
00:51:09,780 --> 00:51:13,260
The sigh of relief
almost blew the building down.
930
00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:18,500
I think at times Mick
might push further than the band
931
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:20,420
would like to go.
932
00:51:20,420 --> 00:51:23,820
When that happens, I guess
there's a little discussion
933
00:51:23,820 --> 00:51:26,060
or there's no discussion.
934
00:51:26,060 --> 00:51:27,740
There's just, you know,
935
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:32,460
"No. No, I'm not doing it
and you can't make me."
936
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:34,780
Would you tell me
about your relationship with Keith?
937
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:39,540
No. You know, we have
a pretty good relationship.
938
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:41,060
We have our ups and downs.
939
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:43,900
I mean, after 30 something years,
I mean, if you don't have any ups
940
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,700
and downs, there's something wrong
with your relationship.
941
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:48,860
There was a time
you would never see
942
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:50,980
Mick and Keith
put their arm
943
00:51:50,980 --> 00:51:52,540
around each other
944
00:51:52,540 --> 00:51:56,340
because for a lot of years they
weren't laughing so much together.
945
00:51:57,460 --> 00:52:00,860
The band isn't really meant
to be touchy-feely.
946
00:52:00,860 --> 00:52:02,700
That's what's great about them.
947
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,060
You've been playing a bit
of guitar, haven't you?
948
00:52:05,060 --> 00:52:07,980
Yeah, on stage, yeah.
949
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:11,500
I haven't played so much. I enjoyed
it very much, playing guitar.
950
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:16,740
Keith keeps adjusting my settings
when I'm singing, of course.
951
00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:19,140
If I did that with him,
he'd probably go bananas.
952
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:23,460
That anger created a type of spark.
953
00:52:23,460 --> 00:52:27,460
Anger, you know,
makes for good songwriting.
954
00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:30,620
Mick has always been
the captain of the ship.
955
00:52:30,620 --> 00:52:33,460
Keith won't like to hear that,
but, you know, in the early '70s,
956
00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:36,340
I thought,
like we all felt at the time,
957
00:52:36,340 --> 00:52:38,180
you don't know how lucky you are,
mate.
958
00:52:40,060 --> 00:52:44,180
After a while, I'm now seeing
the love and respect...
959
00:52:45,260 --> 00:52:47,140
..that they have each other.
960
00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:49,900
It warms the shit out of me.
961
00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:55,700
# I'm the man on the mountain
962
00:52:56,740 --> 00:53:01,180
# Come on up
963
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:09,060
# I'm the ploughman in the valley
964
00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:12,580
# With a face full of mud
965
00:53:15,180 --> 00:53:20,100
# Well, I'm fumbling
and I know my car don't start
966
00:53:21,500 --> 00:53:23,540
# Yes, I'm stumbling
967
00:53:23,540 --> 00:53:26,220
# And I know I play a bad guitar
968
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,660
# But I just want a drink
969
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:33,500
# From your loving cup
970
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:39,580
# I just want... #
971
00:53:39,580 --> 00:53:41,540
The thing about bands is that...
972
00:53:43,420 --> 00:53:44,780
..that's it's a band.
973
00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:47,100
It's a collection of individuals,
a band.
974
00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:49,820
They say, "You're just like
brothers. It's like a family."
975
00:53:49,820 --> 00:53:51,500
It's not like a family at all.
976
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:56,340
I actually have a brother and I know
what it's like to have a brother.
977
00:53:56,340 --> 00:53:58,700
It's not like being with Keith
at all.
978
00:54:00,860 --> 00:54:02,780
It's friendship and it...
979
00:54:02,780 --> 00:54:05,780
And it's friendship
and working together.
980
00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:12,140
# Give me a drink
from your loving cup... #
981
00:54:12,140 --> 00:54:14,140
As in friendships or love affairs,
982
00:54:14,140 --> 00:54:16,860
people have roles to play,
but those roles change.
983
00:54:16,860 --> 00:54:20,260
And so it's in a state of flux,
so it's never the same.
984
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:22,660
So if you're talking about a band
like the Rolling Stones,
985
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:26,420
who've been around such a long time,
then all of these things apply.
986
00:54:26,420 --> 00:54:30,060
Jagger and Richards
depend on each other
987
00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:31,580
more than
they'll ever know.
988
00:54:31,580 --> 00:54:34,020
# What a beautiful buzz
989
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:38,660
# What a beautiful buzz.. #
990
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:41,500
Oh, you know, "They've had a,
they've had an argument.
991
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:43,620
"Oh, my God!"
You know, I mean,
992
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:46,740
and it's so, you know,
talk about storms in teacups,
993
00:54:46,740 --> 00:54:48,300
you know what I mean?
994
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:50,860
It's like... And so before
I know it, you know, Mick and I
995
00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:53,460
are actually sort of
making up fights
996
00:54:53,460 --> 00:54:56,100
just to keep everybody happy,
you know?
997
00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:59,460
And so it gets ridiculous.
998
00:54:59,460 --> 00:55:01,060
No, we're tight.
999
00:55:01,060 --> 00:55:06,540
# Give me that drink
from your loving cup
1000
00:55:08,580 --> 00:55:14,260
# Just one drink
and I'll fall down drunk... #
1001
00:55:16,100 --> 00:55:18,620
Have you got any idea
why your group particularly
1002
00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:20,700
has lasted as long as it has?
1003
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:23,820
Because we stay together,
I suppose, and we enjoy it.
1004
00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:27,460
We all have little sort of
disagreements. We haven't had...
1005
00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:29,980
We haven't had any violence
since 1965, I don't think.
1006
00:55:31,540 --> 00:55:33,580
What happened in 1965?
1007
00:55:33,580 --> 00:55:35,300
Was that the chicken?
1008
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:38,020
Someone stole someone's
chicken sandwich.
1009
00:55:38,020 --> 00:55:40,260
That was the last fight we had.
1010
00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:43,420
Can you picture yourself at the age
60 doing what you do now?
1011
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:45,380
Yeah, easily, yeah.
1012
00:55:45,380 --> 00:55:48,660
What happens to someone like
yourself, Mick Jagger,
when you get old?
1013
00:55:48,660 --> 00:55:51,380
When you get old?
Same as what happens to you, love.
1014
00:55:53,260 --> 00:55:59,060
The Stones have now played live in
front of more than 15 million people
1015
00:55:59,060 --> 00:56:02,380
on every continent on Earth,
1016
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:06,500
drawing record-breaking crowds
in Rio in 2006
1017
00:56:06,500 --> 00:56:09,500
and Havana ten years later,
1018
00:56:09,500 --> 00:56:13,220
in a country that banned their music
for decades.
1019
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:17,940
But I try to do things
that haven't been done before
1020
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:19,220
or difficult to do.
1021
00:56:19,220 --> 00:56:23,740
But I don't honestly enjoy doing
business per se very much.
1022
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:25,260
I'd much rather be a performer,
1023
00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:27,580
and I wish I didn't have to do
any of the business bit.
1024
00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:30,340
But I am interested
in creating shows.
1025
00:56:33,620 --> 00:56:37,420
The whole thing of trying to go
to Cuba was, like, impossible.
1026
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:40,740
Let's see if we can do it, and the
answer is, "Not really, we can't."
1027
00:56:40,740 --> 00:56:43,500
And you push and you push and you
push, and you keep pushing
1028
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,700
and you keep pushing. We'll find
a way of just getting around this.
1029
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:51,900
# You can't always
get what you want... #
1030
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,100
I like to hear on the radio,
1031
00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:56,660
five past eight,
you hear the tour manager
1032
00:56:56,660 --> 00:56:59,100
to the production manager
and he just says,
1033
00:56:59,100 --> 00:57:00,940
"We're walking, we're walking."
1034
00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:03,780
We know that it's three minutes
to the stage and then they start
1035
00:57:03,780 --> 00:57:06,220
the intro music
and then the show starts,
1036
00:57:06,220 --> 00:57:09,980
and you still get butterflies
and excitement when you do that.
1037
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:13,580
# You get what you need
1038
00:57:15,460 --> 00:57:17,580
# You get what you need... #
1039
00:57:32,380 --> 00:57:36,220
Sometimes, I think the Stones
would go on without Mick or me.
1040
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:38,860
It'd still carry on somehow.
1041
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:45,580
If you look at musical history,
pop music history,
1042
00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:47,180
nothing lasts forever.
1043
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:57,300
You have to go, how did this
rebel rock and roll band
1044
00:57:57,300 --> 00:57:59,740
stand the test of time
and still stay together?
1045
00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:01,700
Mick is the answer to that.
1046
00:58:04,460 --> 00:58:09,940
He doesn't beat his own butt about,
"I'm not who I was 40 years ago."
1047
00:58:09,940 --> 00:58:12,900
It's like, "I know
who I was 40 years ago.
1048
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:15,100
"I knew who I was 50, 60 years ago."
1049
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:21,220
They're not going to end.
1050
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:24,220
They've been doing this
since I was in sixth grade,
1051
00:58:24,220 --> 00:58:26,740
and they're going to keep
doing it till they drop.
1052
00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:34,780
The hardest thing in rock and roll
is to keep a band together.
1053
00:58:34,780 --> 00:58:40,140
Got to keep the band together.
Got to keep the band together.
1054
00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:41,700
And Mick Jagger did.
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