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(bright accordion music)
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(static hisses)
(babies chatter)
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(projector clicks and whirs)
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(exciting music)
(crowd chatter)
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- Does censorship exist
in your community?
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If so, in what respect?
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Is such a body legal?
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And is it a thing that the
majority of the community wants?
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Or have you been imposed
upon by some minority group
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whose pressures have
influenced your politicians?
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Find out about it.
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And if you want censorship,
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see that the laws are
logical and constitutional.
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Otherwise, slowly and surely,
you will lose your heritage.
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Remember, you have a
right to say, to read,
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and to see what you wish.
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(exciting music)
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(projector whirs)
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(projector stops)
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(gentle piano music)
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- I want this picture
to be a document.
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I wanna hold a
mirror up to life.
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I want this to be a
picture of dignity,
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a true canvas of the
suffering of humanity.
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- But with a little sex in it.
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- With a little sex in it.
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- How about a nice musical?
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(gentle piano music)
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- All right, Mr. DeMille,
I'm ready for my close-up.
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(gentle piano music)
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- Okay, get over there.
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All right, let's
take a try at it.
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- [Man] Here we go!
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Hit your lights!
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(lights click on)
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(gentle piano music)
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- We'll have to rewrite
the scene and re-shoot it,
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it's absolute crap.
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People don't speak like that.
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- [Robert] It seems to me
that the history of film
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is very much like the
history of America,
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starting out with
its birth pangs,
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the very early attempts
to make movies,
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and going up through
various periods,
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through a, maybe you could
call it free love period,
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where everything goes.
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- I'd like to make love to
you till you scream for help.
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- Can't scream.
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(they laugh)
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- [Robert] And then
people coming in and say,
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well that's not right,
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let's clamp down on
some of those things.
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- Would you try to seduce me?
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- I don't...
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Probably.
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Why?
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- Why, a girl wants to know!
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- Who could be qualified
to say what's good for you
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and what's good for me?
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We're two different people.
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So just the whole
idea of it is absurd.
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- [Robert] And then
going through a period
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of tightening the
expression in the movies.
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- Why don't you come
up sometime and see me?
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I'm home every evening.
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- [Robert] And then
getting where then
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and coming back to a period
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where almost
anything seems to go.
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(chainsaw revs)
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- The battle began with
first to see a woman's ass,
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then tits, then vagina.
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Then a man's ass,
then a man's dick,
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and then fucking.
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- Is this entertainment?
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Is this what should
be shown on a screen?
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- [Robert] Baltimore's a
unique part of the story
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of censorship in the country
because Baltimore suffered
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under the longest running
censor board in the country.
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It's a microcosm of
the history of movies
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and also the history
of censorship.
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- The industry is deeply worried
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about a recent Supreme Court
decision on censorship.
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The court ruled that
individual communities
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have the right to determine
what's obscene and what's not.
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And this local option
censorship rule
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could change the way movies
are made in this country.
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- [Robert] Baltimore
has its beautiful parts,
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the skyline, the various
monuments, the parks.
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And movies have these, the
grand cinema adventures.
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Movies that are uplifting.
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- Now, gentlemen,
in this country,
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our courts are the
great levelers.
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In our courts all men
are created equal.
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- [Robert] And on
the other hand,
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there are the seedier
parts of the city,
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the red light districts.
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Movies have the same thing.
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There were movies that
were made simply to
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explore the public's
prurient interest,
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to titillate people.
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Or to simply show them
something outrageous
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that they couldn't
see anywhere else.
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- [Mary] Sickening sickie.
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There are sickies making films.
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- [Robert] There's
been a long, long fight
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for the movies to be able to
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show what they want
to show on the screen.
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They've had to face a lot of
roadblocks over the years,
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and they had to fight to
be considered an art form.
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(gentle piano music)
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(gentle piano music)
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(bright piano music)
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- Censor of course comes
from the word census.
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And it was a position in
the ancient Roman republic,
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but the censor was
the person who decided
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who the role of voters would be.
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The censor could
determine whether or not
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a person was of
sufficient high quality
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to be considered a citizen.
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So if you did not make
the role of citizens,
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you could be stricken from
the roles by the censor.
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It was a terrible thing.
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- I think that it was assumed
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that censorship would
always be with us.
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It's a very old idea.
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Socrates was a victim
of censorship in a
rather final way.
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I mean, the cup of hemlock.
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And censorship exists
today inside institutions
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that are supposed to be
devoted to the freedom
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of intellectual inquiry,
like universities.
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- The censoring of movies
is very much related to
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the time period when it emerges,
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the so-called progressive period
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of the turn of the
20th century through
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the beginning of World War I.
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People wanted to not
just control movies
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but control lots of things
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that they thought
might be corruptive
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or subversive or
somehow detrimental
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to society's development
in the ways in which
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Protestant white
middle class values
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said that society
should progress.
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Effort to control movies was
very much in the same mindset
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as people's access to alcohol,
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requirements that
children go to school.
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- We have to remember
that the progressives
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at the turn of the 20th
century were very different
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from modern-day progressives.
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And the progressives
of the 20th century
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firmly believed that
the greater good
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should trump individual rights.
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So your individual
right to produce a movie
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or to see a movie,
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if that was something that
might harm the greater good,
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then that individual right
to see or produce that movie
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needed to give way.
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They saw it as very
little different from
the kind of reform
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that protected people
against impure sausage.
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- Everybody could
go to see films.
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They were cheap, five cents,
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and they were so pervasive,
they were everywhere.
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The first movie theaters
were very, very small.
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Nickelodeons, they
probably seated 100 people.
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Many people viewed
the movie theaters
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as horrible smelly dens
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that you didn't want
your children to go into.
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One of the things they would
do is they would make a name
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that sounded really nice.
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They had pretentious names
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and names that
gave the impression
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of a nice, cozy little place..
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- This was an era when
we had real distinction
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between public versus private.
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That in the Victorian era,
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there were things that
were in the private realm
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that never crossed over
into the public realm.
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So things like home life,
things like God and religion,
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things like relationships
between family members.
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Those things were very private
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and never became
part of public life.
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Leisure in the Victorian
era was usually confined
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to the private life.
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And because it was part
of the private life,
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it was pretty well controlled.
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Controlled by parents,
controlled by clergy,
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controlled by educators.
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That famous scene of the
two Broadway actors kissing,
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that was shocking to the
Victorian sensibilities
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because kissing was
something that was supposed
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to be done in private,
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and here it was, larger
than life characters
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kissing on the screen
in the public realm,
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people sitting
next to each other
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who Victorians were
not very comfortable
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thinking should've been
sitting next together.
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(gentle piano music)
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- The notion of boxing,
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that it's a glorification
of brutality
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with sort of the scene
that followed it,
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you know, gamblers, prostitutes,
alcohol, seedy back alleys,
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that whole sort of aesthetic,
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that was not something that
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was wished to be
glorified or perpetuated.
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- [Richard] I think the first
specific censorship laws,
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the state of Maine back
at the turn of the century
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put in a statute which
said you could not
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screen prizefights in the
state of Maine (chuckles)
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because it solicited
violence among children
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and all the other things.
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- The idea that then boxing
could also touch another taboo
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in American society at the
turn of the 20th century,
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this notion of race or
specifically the spectacle
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of black supremacy in this
sort of one-on-one combat.
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It wasn't necessarily the
fact that black and white men
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boxing together was
especially troublesome.
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It was the films of black
men defeating white men,
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and particularly Jack Johnson,
that was most troubling.
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What was feared about the Jack
Johnson-Jim Jeffries fight
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spoke mainly to the progressives
who ran governments,
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who ran sort of organizations
charged with public wellbeing.
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The challenge was
that they had to admit
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that they did not control
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the white man walking
on the street,
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the average everyday citizen.
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The unspoken reality
underneath all of the rhetoric
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that spoke to black inferiority,
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that spoke to the limited
educability of black people,
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that spoke to their
moral bankruptcy,
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was the fact that Jim Crow
segregation gave white men
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in particularly mass
sort of collections
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license to be brutal
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in ways that were
simply otherwise not
permitted in society.
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It frightened folks.
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(indistinct crowd chatter)
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- There's no evidence that
there was any groundswell
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of opinion of people
demanding censorship laws
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from their state legislators.
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Where the push was
coming was from groups.
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Groups like the Women's
Christian Temperance Union,
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the YMCA, the Protestant
Church early on,
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and later the Catholic Church
would step in and take over.
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The American Society
for the Protection
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of Cruelty to Children,
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the General Federation
of Women's Clubs,
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the National Association
of Colored Women,
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the Watch and Ward Society,
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the New York Society for
the Suppression of Vice.
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These were the groups
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that were pushing their
legislators for censorship.
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And these were groups
that had some real sway
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with those legislators,
they had some clout.
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- The argument that's usually
made for the first censors
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was these movies are
dangerous for children.
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And then they get into
things like untutored people.
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- [Laura] The special
capacity for evil concept
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is what underlies
all film censorship.
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(ominous movie music)
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It's the idea that some
people can watch movies
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and not be harmed by them,
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but other people, children,
illiterates, immigrants,
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people who are
especially vulnerable
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to all kinds of pernicious
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and dastardly kinds
of influences,
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we need to protect those
people from that kind of thing.
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And movies were the
first true mass medium.
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(ominous movie music)
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The first moving
picture ordinance
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enacted in the United
States was in 1907.
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So, very early on after
the onset of movies.
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And it came in the
city of Chicago.
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Chicago empowered its
police commissioner
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to decide whether movies
were safe to be seen or not.
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And then the police commissioner
was further empowered
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to hire people to
help him to decide
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whether movies could be shown.
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- [Robert] The earliest
censorship in Baltimore,
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for example, was the
police department.
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Marshal Farnan, who was the
head of the police at that time,
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say around 1908, 1909.
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Let's say a policeman had
a certain regular beat.
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(police whistle
chirps in background)
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He would tasked to go in when
a theater opened a new movie.
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(playful piano music)
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He'd go in a watch it
and see if it was okay.
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If he thought it was okay,
go back to headquarters
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and say they opened this
movie and this is fine.
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If he didn't like it,
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then they could haul the
exhibitor into court.
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People were complaining
about the police's censors,
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and they complained enough
that Marshal Farnan said,
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"Okay, everybody's a censor.
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"I open this up to the
entire city of Baltimore.
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"If you see a movie,
if you go to movies
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"and you see a movie that
you think is a bad movie,
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"is a bad influence or
is showing something
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"that shouldn't be
shown, call me up.
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"I'll have an operator ready
to take your phone calls."
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(uptempo piano music)
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- [Laura] Pennsylvania
was the first state
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to enact statewide censorship.
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And they passed it
unanimously in 1911.
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Ohio followed two
years later in 1913,
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followed by Kansas,
also in 1913.
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Maryland enacted its statewide
censorship law in 1916,
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New York in 1921, and
Virginia in 1922 as well.
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And Massachusetts
was the last in 1926.
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And we have to remember that,
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in addition to the seven states,
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there were hundreds of
municipalities and localities
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that were censoring.
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(upbeat piano ends)
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- [Robert] The list of subjects
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that the censor board
felt they had to censor,
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and I'm talking about
Maryland specifically,
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improper exhibition
of feminine underwear,
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indelicate sexual situations,
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nude figures,
over-passionate love scenes,
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excessive use of firearms,
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disrespect for the
law, infidelity,
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gruesome murder, stabbing
and shooting persons,
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acts of violence, throwing
bombs, train wrecking,
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birth control, venereal disease,
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inflammatory scenes and titles
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calculated to stir
up racial hatred,
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white slaves stories, these
were very popular in the '20s.
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(upbeat piano music)
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Then there was the kissing.
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This has always fascinated me.
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The censor board seemed
to say a three-foot kiss,
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that is, three feet
of film, was enough.
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They didn't wanna see a kiss
longer than that on the screen.
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So they would cut them out.
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(upbeat piano music ends)
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- [David] D.W. Griffith's
Birth of a Nation,
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which comes to
theaters in early 1915,
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is really the realization of
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some of the fears that
people have imagined
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movies might bring
to American society.
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It becomes controversial
because by this point in time,
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there are so many elements
either concerned with
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censoring movies and controlling
society's moral compass,
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and also defending black people
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against some of
these brutalities,
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as well as ideas
of civil rights.
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The idea that a movie
could have national impact
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and be a national
conversation topic
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was much more realistic in
1915 than say it was in 1885.
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- [Robert] The
audience was polarized.
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Maryland being on the border,
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you had people who thought
this is a great movie,
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it portrays the South as it was.
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Other people said it's
bad for race relations,
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it demeans black people and
this is not a good movie.
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It'll cause trouble.
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- [Richard] I don't think
anyone can see Birth of a Nation
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without seeing a
political agenda in it,
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but on the other hand,
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I don't know that the
world has to be protected
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from seeing that
political agenda.
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Seems to me this is the argument
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that First Amendment
people always raise.
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Freedom is not just freedom,
it's also education,
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and the possibility
of seeing things
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which challenge both
your own opinions
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and your own moral certitudes.
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But then the question that
comes up with censorship always
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is, is there a
certain constituency
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that has to be protected?
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- [David] The real danger
of Birth of a Nation
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was the fact of its graphic
depiction of violence.
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Remember, in 1914, certainly
over the next several years
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as the movie is showing,
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race rioting takes
on an urban form
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which it had not
necessarily enjoyed.
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And the notion that
Birth of a Nation
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could inspire people
to revelry and violence
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was very much feared because
that's what it depicted.
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The National Association
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for the Advancement
of Colored People
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took a lead in many
ways in attempting
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some sort of censorship to the
release and the distribution
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of Birth of a Nation.
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So I think the idea of
censoring was certainly in part
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driven by their anti-liberal
impulses early on,
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but more so, it was
protective as a response
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to that larger context within
which the film would be shown.
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- The Mutual Film Corporation
was a large corporation
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that had tentacles
in many, many states.
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It was a newsreel producer,
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it was a motion
picture distributor,
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and Mutual decided that
it wanted to attack
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the censorship laws in
Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Kansas,
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and they went at it with
a full-pronged attack.
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And they took the case
to the Supreme Court.
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The opinion, written for
a unanimous Supreme Court
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by Justice McKenna, said,
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"The exhibition
of motion pictures
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"is a business, pure and simple,
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"not to be regarded
as part of the press.
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"The movies are capable of evil,
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"the greater because
of their attractiveness
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"and their manner
of exhibition."
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This was the
Supreme Court saying
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that movies should be regulated,
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and go ahead and
regulate, legislators,
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if that's what you
choose you want to do.
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(dark ominous piano music)
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- Hold it a second!
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Now, Lina, look.
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Here's the mike, right
here in the bush!
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- Yeah!
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- Now you talk to it.
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The sound goes through
the cable to the box.
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A man records it on
a big record in wax.
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But you have to talk
into the mike first.
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In the bush!
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Try it again.
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- [Robert] In the late
1920s when talking movies
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came on the scene, you
had two kinds of talkies.
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You had the talkies that were,
sound was provided by disc.
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These were big records
that were played,
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and they were synchronized
with the film.
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The other method of providing
sound was sound on film,
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where you had a sound track
running alongside the film.
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- [Man] This is the picture
and sound projector.
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One motor drives both the
picture and sound equipment.
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See?
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- [Robert] It sort of took the
censors by surprise I think,
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because now they had to
censor words as well.
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Previously they just censored
what was on the screen,
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the subtitles they could censor.
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First of all, they had to
get a new projection system
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that could handle
both kinds of sound.
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It drove the projectionists
crazy with the sound on disc
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because if the censors
say cut out this scene,
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cut out so many feet of scene,
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they couldn't cut
it out on the disc
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because it was already there,
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so what they had to do
was take a section of film
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that was the same length as
the parts that were cut out,
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splice it into there, so
you'd be watching a movie,
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all of a sudden you'd
see blank picture,
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that you knew something
had been cut out there
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to make it synchronized.
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(projector whirs)
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(indistinct crowd
chatter on screen)
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- [Woman In Movie]
Don't fret, honey.
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It all goes down the drain.
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(giggles)
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(projector whirs)
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- [Laura] NAMPI is the
National Association
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of the Motion Picture Industry,
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and it was a group
that was created
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largely to fight off censorship.
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Hollywood was worried
about censorship,
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and they were seeing this
crazy quilt of censorship
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going up around
the United States.
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And the group put in
a full court press
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trying to keep New York from
enacting a censorship statute.
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And when that didn't
work, when New York did
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go into the censoring column,
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that left NAMPI with
a big black eye,
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made it realize that this
group that had been formed
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in order to fight censorship
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was not very effective
at doing that.
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So the industry disbanded
NAMPI and created instead
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a new organization,
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the Motion Picture Producers
and Distributors Association,
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00:23:26,872 --> 00:23:31,109
and hired a new person to
lead that organization,
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a man named Will Hayes.
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Will Hayes was what
we today would call
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the czar of the motion
picture industry.
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He had, he was a politician,
he was well-connected,
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he'd been the
Postmaster General,
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and he proved to be a
very effective spokesman
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for the motion picture industry.
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- To Warner Brothers, to
whom is due credit for this,
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the beginning of a new era
in music and motion pictures,
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I offer my felicitations and
my sincerest appreciation.
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- In the 1930s Hollywood came
up with something they called
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the Production Code.
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This was a lengthy document.
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It had been co-written
by a Catholic priest
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and a Catholic motion picture
trade magazine producer
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and it was a code of
conduct for the movies.
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The problem for the
Production Code is that
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it was instituted in 1930
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when Hollywood was undergoing
the Great Depression.
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Sales were declining,
box office was declining.
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00:24:30,368 --> 00:24:31,269
Hollywood was in trouble,
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and what better way to
get people in the seats
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than to ramp up the sex and
to ramp up the violence?
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And so the Production
Code was largely ignored.
494
00:24:39,511 --> 00:24:42,614
- Do it again, I
like it, do it again!
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(grunts)
496
00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:46,451
(through door) Oh
please, Bill, do it!
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Oh, stop, Bill!
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(whimpers)
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- The Catholic Church
became incensed
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that the Production
Code was being ignored,
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00:24:52,991 --> 00:24:55,727
and then created that
Catholic Legion of Decency
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to rally the laity to push for
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the Production Code to
actually be put into effect,
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actually be used.
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And the Catholic Church
asked its patrons
506
00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:08,874
to threaten to boycott
theaters that showed
507
00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:10,909
movies that were not considered
508
00:25:10,976 --> 00:25:12,944
things that lived up
to the Production Code.
509
00:25:13,011 --> 00:25:16,748
That threat of a nationwide
boycott of Catholics
510
00:25:16,815 --> 00:25:18,783
really got
Hollywood's attention.
511
00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:20,652
And so in 1934,
512
00:25:20,719 --> 00:25:23,622
they created the Production
Code Administration
513
00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:26,124
and hired a Catholic
in order to run that
514
00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:29,094
Production Code Administration,
a man named Joseph Breen.
515
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,062
The job of the Production
Code Administration
516
00:25:31,129 --> 00:25:34,432
was to make sure that the
Production Code was enforced.
517
00:25:34,499 --> 00:25:35,934
And it was.
518
00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:39,671
So they have to be approved
before they start shooting.
519
00:25:39,738 --> 00:25:41,673
Then they can be looked
at during shooting.
520
00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:44,209
And then they have
to be approved when
shooting is over with
521
00:25:44,276 --> 00:25:46,645
before they can get a
Production Code Seal
522
00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:48,914
and get into as many movie
theaters as possible.
523
00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:50,482
The movie content
that's going to be seen
524
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:53,418
is the movie content that the
Production Code Administration
525
00:25:53,485 --> 00:25:55,020
wants to be seen.
526
00:25:55,086 --> 00:25:57,455
- [Man On Screen] The whole
inheritance is forfeit.
527
00:25:57,522 --> 00:26:01,960
- I got the job and started
to work in December of 1947
528
00:26:03,528 --> 00:26:05,497
at the New Albert Theater,
529
00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:08,300
and that was the
heart of segregation
530
00:26:08,366 --> 00:26:09,034
in the state of Maryland.
531
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:10,402
(indistinct street chatter)
532
00:26:10,468 --> 00:26:15,006
About 1943, a huge wealthy named
Howard Hughes, loved women,
533
00:26:16,141 --> 00:26:19,077
and then made this picture
with a beautiful gal,
534
00:26:19,144 --> 00:26:23,248
and it cost them millions of
dollars, called The Outlaw.
535
00:26:23,315 --> 00:26:24,449
(exciting music in movie)
536
00:26:24,516 --> 00:26:28,653
And not every state, but a few
states, including Maryland,
537
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,789
had censor boards.
538
00:26:30,855 --> 00:26:34,893
Said, nope, can't play
here, it shows bad stuff.
539
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,729
- [Laura] The Outlaw was
a Howard Hughes production
540
00:26:37,796 --> 00:26:40,165
about a love triangle
in the Old West,
541
00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:44,035
and it starred an unknown
actress named Jane Russell.
542
00:26:44,102 --> 00:26:45,870
Nobody had ever
seen her act before,
543
00:26:45,937 --> 00:26:48,206
but they had certainly
seen her physique
544
00:26:48,273 --> 00:26:52,077
in some very seductive
and very suggestive ads
545
00:26:52,143 --> 00:26:53,545
that Howard Hughes had put out
546
00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:55,847
long before the
movie even came out.
547
00:26:55,914 --> 00:26:58,783
Hughes was trying to
buck the Production Code,
548
00:26:58,850 --> 00:27:01,553
and he was seeking
publicity for his film.
549
00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:04,255
He was gonna go head up against
550
00:27:04,322 --> 00:27:05,924
the Production
Code Administration
551
00:27:05,991 --> 00:27:08,193
and use lots of
salacious advertising.
552
00:27:08,259 --> 00:27:11,730
He submitted the movie to
most state boards in 1942,
553
00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:14,065
and they all required
some scenes to be cut,
554
00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:17,469
and then for reasons
he never explained,
555
00:27:17,535 --> 00:27:18,703
Hughes withdrew the picture.
556
00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:21,640
And I think he was probably
just waiting for an opportunity
557
00:27:21,706 --> 00:27:23,008
for greater publicity.
558
00:27:23,074 --> 00:27:25,844
And sure enough, in
1946 he was back,
559
00:27:25,910 --> 00:27:29,514
but the Maryland censors,
along with other states,
560
00:27:29,581 --> 00:27:32,851
declined his request
for a license.
561
00:27:32,917 --> 00:27:35,286
He sued, and the
Baltimore city court judge
562
00:27:35,353 --> 00:27:38,923
agreed with the censors,
and he noted that, quote,
563
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:41,693
"Jane Russell's breasts
hang over the picture
564
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,829
"like a thunderstorm
over a landscape."
565
00:27:44,896 --> 00:27:47,666
- Somebody got the
rights from Howard Hughes
566
00:27:47,732 --> 00:27:49,467
to try to resell it again.
567
00:27:49,534 --> 00:27:50,969
(upbeat piano music)
568
00:27:51,036 --> 00:27:52,971
And they came to Maryland.
569
00:27:53,038 --> 00:27:56,374
And the guy they came
to was Mr. Rappaport.
570
00:27:56,441 --> 00:27:59,978
He had the Hippodrome
and the Town theaters,
571
00:28:00,045 --> 00:28:02,781
and he wanted to play
The Outlaw real bad.
572
00:28:02,847 --> 00:28:05,150
He was lining up lawyers.
573
00:28:05,216 --> 00:28:09,354
He got my help, which was
a little political help.
574
00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:11,022
And he got it passed.
575
00:28:11,089 --> 00:28:15,794
Had to change a few ads,
cover up the cleavage.
576
00:28:16,795 --> 00:28:18,930
Yeah, well it wasn't
that good a picture,
577
00:28:18,997 --> 00:28:20,699
so it would've been a nothing.
578
00:28:20,765 --> 00:28:25,270
Howard Hughes had a lot of
money, but who was Jane Russell?
579
00:28:25,336 --> 00:28:27,072
Nobody knew her.
580
00:28:27,138 --> 00:28:31,076
What absolutely made the picture
581
00:28:31,142 --> 00:28:33,411
was the Maryland censor board.
582
00:28:33,478 --> 00:28:36,281
(sweeping music)
583
00:28:39,984 --> 00:28:42,921
(woman singing)
584
00:28:45,256 --> 00:28:48,827
- [Laura] I think the censors
were wary of foreign films
585
00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:52,030
largely because they
usually didn't go through
586
00:28:52,097 --> 00:28:56,267
the approval process of the
Production Code Administration.
587
00:28:56,334 --> 00:29:00,071
- It may interest you to
sit in with us at a meeting
588
00:29:00,138 --> 00:29:04,509
of the Production Code
Administration in Hollywood,
589
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:08,980
where we are working for plainer
and better motion pictures.
590
00:29:09,047 --> 00:29:12,317
- [Laura] The censors had
gotten used to, after 1934
591
00:29:12,383 --> 00:29:15,653
and the introduction of the
Production Code Administration
592
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,955
under Joseph Breen,
593
00:29:17,021 --> 00:29:19,124
movies had gotten a lot cleaner.
594
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:21,259
The censors had a
lot less to cut,
595
00:29:21,326 --> 00:29:24,262
they had a lot less to argue
with with distributors,
596
00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:26,131
because the Production
Code Administration
597
00:29:26,197 --> 00:29:28,700
was really doing the job
that it had set out to do,
598
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:30,301
which was to clean up movies.
599
00:29:30,368 --> 00:29:34,105
That filter isn't there for
many of the foreign films.
600
00:29:34,172 --> 00:29:35,373
They're just coming in.
601
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,877
They're much more
open about sexuality,
602
00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,980
they're much more
gritty in their realism,
603
00:29:42,046 --> 00:29:44,349
they don't necessarily
have happy endings.
604
00:29:44,415 --> 00:29:46,951
They're very different
kinds of films,
605
00:29:47,018 --> 00:29:49,521
much more frank,
much more daring.
606
00:29:49,587 --> 00:29:53,324
(speaking foreign language)
607
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,601
(projector clicks and whirs)
608
00:30:03,668 --> 00:30:08,173
(restrained uptempo piano music)
609
00:30:08,239 --> 00:30:10,742
- [Robert] When foreign movies
started becoming popular
610
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:15,113
in this country, one of the
early controversial ones
611
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,382
was the Czech film Ecstasy,
612
00:30:17,448 --> 00:30:19,784
which brought Hedy
Lamarr over here
613
00:30:19,851 --> 00:30:23,755
and made her a very
popular actress.
614
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:27,058
The movie became
terribly popular.
615
00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:29,627
It was censored by
everybody in the world.
616
00:30:29,694 --> 00:30:32,997
The Pope didn't like it,
the Nazis didn't like it.
617
00:30:33,064 --> 00:30:35,033
The U.S. Customs didn't like it.
618
00:30:35,099 --> 00:30:37,135
They seized the film
when it first came over.
619
00:30:37,202 --> 00:30:39,137
It was a lot of trouble
to actually get it
620
00:30:39,204 --> 00:30:41,206
into the theaters here.
621
00:30:41,272 --> 00:30:43,942
- [Laura] Ecstasy
was a scandalous film
622
00:30:44,008 --> 00:30:47,111
that became an
international cause celebre.
623
00:30:47,178 --> 00:30:49,614
It was a joint
Czech-German production
624
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:53,051
that starred Hedy
Lamarr as an adulteress
625
00:30:53,117 --> 00:30:55,787
who was not always
fully clothed.
626
00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:58,790
She was married to an older man
627
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,191
who turned out to be impotent.
628
00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:04,896
And so in her frustration,
she takes long horseback rides
629
00:31:04,963 --> 00:31:07,866
and goes swimming, and
in one famous scene,
630
00:31:07,932 --> 00:31:09,868
she's swimming in the
pond and turns over,
631
00:31:09,934 --> 00:31:11,402
and she's completely nude.
632
00:31:11,469 --> 00:31:13,738
It's only shown for
a couple of seconds,
633
00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:14,873
and then she rolls over again,
634
00:31:14,939 --> 00:31:16,975
but it was shocking
for the time.
635
00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:19,544
Then while she's swimming
in the pond one day,
636
00:31:19,611 --> 00:31:21,045
her horse runs off,
637
00:31:21,112 --> 00:31:24,582
bolts because he's running
after a mare in heat.
638
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:28,219
Here, the symbolism starts
to clash everywhere.
639
00:31:28,286 --> 00:31:31,890
He runs off, and he's got
her clothes on his back.
640
00:31:31,956 --> 00:31:33,157
And so she runs after the horse
641
00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:35,193
desperately trying to catch him.
642
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:37,729
She can't because he's going
after the mare in heat,
643
00:31:37,795 --> 00:31:41,733
and she winds up being
discovered by a crew of men
644
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:43,167
who are working nearby.
645
00:31:43,234 --> 00:31:46,204
And there's a young, very
virile engineer nearby,
646
00:31:46,271 --> 00:31:49,307
and she's cowering in the bushes
because she has no clothes.
647
00:31:49,374 --> 00:31:53,211
And they meet and they get
together and they fall in love.
648
00:31:53,278 --> 00:31:55,546
And in one particularly
scandalous scene,
649
00:31:55,613 --> 00:31:59,984
they're dancing in a hotel
room while her husband,
650
00:32:00,051 --> 00:32:02,287
the impotent husband, is
in a hotel room above,
651
00:32:02,353 --> 00:32:05,189
and he commits suicide
because he's lost his wife.
652
00:32:05,256 --> 00:32:09,394
It's a very tragic story,
it has a tragic ending.
653
00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:11,596
But it was very artistic.
(gunshot in distance)
654
00:32:11,663 --> 00:32:14,465
Had only 300 words of
dialogue in the entire movie.
655
00:32:14,532 --> 00:32:16,234
It's very moody.
(ominous music)
656
00:32:16,301 --> 00:32:19,837
Very unusual kind of film
for American audiences.
657
00:32:19,904 --> 00:32:21,372
And quite scandalous.
658
00:32:25,209 --> 00:32:28,446
(dark ominous music)
659
00:32:38,222 --> 00:32:39,691
Ecstasy's American distributor
660
00:32:39,757 --> 00:32:42,527
was a company named
Eureka Productions,
661
00:32:42,593 --> 00:32:44,996
and they really wanted
to bring this film
662
00:32:45,063 --> 00:32:46,397
into the United States.
663
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,666
They ran into trouble with
the Customs officials.
664
00:32:48,733 --> 00:32:50,568
They managed to get
it through Customs,
665
00:32:50,635 --> 00:32:55,506
and then spent six years and
an untold amount of money
666
00:32:55,573 --> 00:32:58,343
fighting against censor cuts
in virtually every place
667
00:32:58,409 --> 00:33:01,212
where they tried
to show the movie.
668
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,415
After those six years
of battling in federal
669
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:06,851
and in several state courts,
670
00:33:06,918 --> 00:33:10,521
it left a considerable wake
behind for the film industry.
671
00:33:10,588 --> 00:33:13,758
It reinforced the
judiciary's refusal
672
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:15,426
to overturn the censors
(romantic music on screen)
673
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,629
unless actual malfeasance
could be proven.
674
00:33:18,696 --> 00:33:21,532
Any appeals that were
based on the argument
675
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:26,270
of artistic merit or the
argument that critics' opinions
676
00:33:26,337 --> 00:33:29,273
should be considered in
a censorship decision
677
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:30,842
would be absolutely fruitless.
678
00:33:30,908 --> 00:33:33,478
They went nowhere in the courts.
679
00:33:33,544 --> 00:33:36,981
The censors continued to decide
680
00:33:37,048 --> 00:33:38,716
whether a movie
should be shown or not
681
00:33:38,783 --> 00:33:40,251
by viewing individual scenes
682
00:33:40,318 --> 00:33:42,754
and not looking at the
movie as an organic entity.
683
00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:46,924
And finally, it showed that
the censors could not be cowed
684
00:33:46,991 --> 00:33:48,426
into changing a determination.
685
00:33:48,493 --> 00:33:51,329
Even after prolonged
legal battles,
686
00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:53,765
the censors never
really gave in.
687
00:33:53,831 --> 00:33:56,601
(sweeping music)
688
00:34:03,608 --> 00:34:04,942
- [Molly] Where are we going?
689
00:34:05,009 --> 00:34:07,645
- [Frankie] I don't know, but
I wanna buy you something.
690
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:08,746
- [Molly] Ah, well.
691
00:34:08,813 --> 00:34:10,882
- I gotta spend some
money or I'll bust.
692
00:34:10,948 --> 00:34:12,350
How about one of those in green?
693
00:34:12,417 --> 00:34:14,052
- (laughs) Frankie!
694
00:34:14,118 --> 00:34:15,787
- Maybe a colored TV set.
695
00:34:15,853 --> 00:34:16,954
They're pretty.
696
00:34:17,021 --> 00:34:17,889
- Oh, come on.
697
00:34:17,955 --> 00:34:19,123
- [Robert] After the war,
698
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:21,659
censors wanted to
censor newsreels.
699
00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,428
The Senate said, no,
you can't do that.
700
00:34:23,494 --> 00:34:25,363
But it was a close vote.
701
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:27,432
And they also wanted
to censor television,
702
00:34:27,498 --> 00:34:28,900
but that didn't go
anywhere, either.
703
00:34:28,966 --> 00:34:31,335
- Keep our old friend
Andy from going to jail.
704
00:34:31,402 --> 00:34:35,206
- By the 1940s, with the
onset of the Cold War,
705
00:34:35,273 --> 00:34:38,209
with the rise of liberalism
706
00:34:38,276 --> 00:34:41,512
and the suppression of
anything left or leftist,
707
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:45,550
we really begin to
see efforts to control
708
00:34:45,616 --> 00:34:49,153
what the American
population has access to,
709
00:34:49,220 --> 00:34:50,755
for fear of subversion,
710
00:34:50,822 --> 00:34:55,259
for fear that we really don't
know those who are around us.
711
00:34:55,326 --> 00:35:00,565
We began to see that aspect
of Cold War conservatism
712
00:35:01,699 --> 00:35:04,869
mesh with the changes that
are not necessarily unrelated
713
00:35:04,936 --> 00:35:08,106
with the racial situation
in the United States.
714
00:35:08,172 --> 00:35:10,141
- And I know what you done.
715
00:35:10,208 --> 00:35:12,710
And you know I never
told you to pretend
716
00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:14,645
you is what you ain't.
717
00:35:17,281 --> 00:35:18,749
- I didn't mean to, Granny.
718
00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:21,586
It just happened.
719
00:35:21,652 --> 00:35:23,988
- But that's a sin before
God and you know it.
720
00:35:24,055 --> 00:35:26,324
- It was a conductor
on the train.
721
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:29,093
He put me back in another
car, the white one.
722
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,762
- But he knowed who you was,
I put you where you belonged.
723
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:33,498
- No, it was after that.
724
00:35:33,564 --> 00:35:37,835
- We see the first American
president since Abraham Lincoln
725
00:35:37,902 --> 00:35:42,073
beginning to consider ways
in which to ameliorate
726
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:45,576
the differences in
citizenship in race.
727
00:35:45,643 --> 00:35:49,914
Specifically, Harry Truman
issues his committee's report
728
00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:54,185
to secure these rights,
which begins to pave the way
729
00:35:54,252 --> 00:35:56,020
towards first-class citizenship.
730
00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:59,490
We begin to see some civil
rights gains in the courts.
731
00:35:59,557 --> 00:36:03,928
We begin to see access to
improved housing conditions
732
00:36:03,995 --> 00:36:04,862
from the Supreme Court.
733
00:36:04,929 --> 00:36:08,833
Whites have a very
real and tangible sense
734
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,435
that their way of
life is changing.
735
00:36:11,502 --> 00:36:16,707
A notion that a film about
a woman believed to be white
736
00:36:17,642 --> 00:36:19,810
but who turns out
to be secretly black
737
00:36:19,877 --> 00:36:22,813
would have been very
popular, very intriguing
738
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,883
to the popular sensibility
at that point in time.
739
00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:27,051
- Can we give you a lift?
740
00:36:27,118 --> 00:36:28,386
- No, thank you.
741
00:36:28,452 --> 00:36:29,787
(car engine hums)
742
00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:31,822
- Excuse me, ma'am, you must
be a stranger around here.
743
00:36:31,889 --> 00:36:33,758
We can't let no white
girl walk by herself
744
00:36:33,824 --> 00:36:35,393
through this here
nigger section.
745
00:36:35,459 --> 00:36:37,028
- I live in this section.
746
00:36:37,094 --> 00:36:38,029
- You what?
747
00:36:38,095 --> 00:36:39,730
- I said I live here,
now just leave me alone!
748
00:36:39,797 --> 00:36:42,099
- It deals with an
African-American woman
749
00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:44,302
who passes as white
750
00:36:44,368 --> 00:36:46,404
while she's attending
nursing school in Boston.
751
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:49,707
When she goes back
home to Mississippi,
752
00:36:49,774 --> 00:36:53,277
she can longer pass as white,
everyone knows who she is.
753
00:36:53,344 --> 00:36:55,713
And there she has
to face her past,
754
00:36:55,780 --> 00:36:58,816
and she has to face the
discrimination that continues.
755
00:36:58,883 --> 00:37:02,053
So the story is about a woman
who has lived in both worlds.
756
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,021
Right there, we can see in 1949
757
00:37:04,088 --> 00:37:06,624
in places like Mississippi
or Georgia or Alabama
758
00:37:06,691 --> 00:37:11,128
that this could be a problematic
issue for some censors.
759
00:37:11,195 --> 00:37:12,930
These could cause
racial disharmony,
760
00:37:12,997 --> 00:37:17,101
these could cause problems
with the social order as it is.
761
00:37:17,168 --> 00:37:21,539
And the answer to that question
for one group of censors,
762
00:37:21,606 --> 00:37:24,008
the censors of Marshall, Texas,
763
00:37:24,075 --> 00:37:27,345
was to ban the showing
of the movie Pinky.
764
00:37:27,411 --> 00:37:30,414
- The shocking aspect
of a film like Pinky,
765
00:37:30,481 --> 00:37:34,352
in which a black woman
is passing as white,
766
00:37:34,418 --> 00:37:39,257
and even upon discovery
of her secret blackness,
767
00:37:39,323 --> 00:37:43,227
her white fiance
accepts her nonetheless,
768
00:37:43,294 --> 00:37:45,429
isn't so much that
people were unaware
769
00:37:45,496 --> 00:37:46,864
that such things could happen,
770
00:37:46,931 --> 00:37:48,799
but those things
simply weren't spoken.
771
00:37:48,866 --> 00:37:51,669
- She's washed and ironed
and carried clean clothes
772
00:37:51,736 --> 00:37:55,239
to people's back doors
through rain and cold
773
00:37:55,306 --> 00:37:56,607
and the heat of summer.
774
00:37:57,575 --> 00:37:59,910
And she saved her money
and lived on the scraps
775
00:37:59,977 --> 00:38:01,178
white people gave her.
776
00:38:01,245 --> 00:38:02,647
Why?
777
00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:05,716
For me, so she could
send me off to school.
778
00:38:05,783 --> 00:38:07,685
So I could learn to be a nurse.
779
00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:10,454
So her granddaughter
would be spared
780
00:38:10,521 --> 00:38:12,556
the kind of life
she's had to live.
781
00:38:16,594 --> 00:38:17,728
- Granddaughter?
782
00:38:17,795 --> 00:38:20,498
- Yes, her granddaughter, me.
783
00:38:21,265 --> 00:38:22,566
- [Laura] It was
becoming obvious
784
00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:27,071
to even the Hollywood
producers that it was time
785
00:38:27,138 --> 00:38:29,774
to start looking at the
state and local censors,
786
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,810
because they were going to get
involved in cases like this,
787
00:38:32,877 --> 00:38:35,112
cases that were
racially sensitive.
788
00:38:35,179 --> 00:38:38,849
Local boards in places like
Memphis or places like Atlanta,
789
00:38:38,916 --> 00:38:41,452
or in this case,
like Marshall, Texas,
790
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,988
they could be real problems
for the distributors
791
00:38:44,055 --> 00:38:48,626
if they continued this
kind of banning of movies
792
00:38:48,693 --> 00:38:50,561
that were being cleared
793
00:38:50,628 --> 00:38:53,364
in the larger state
censorship boards.
794
00:38:53,431 --> 00:38:56,367
(playful music)
795
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:17,021
(ominous distressed music)
796
00:39:23,961 --> 00:39:27,398
- By the early 1950s,
particularly in
the larger cities
797
00:39:27,465 --> 00:39:30,568
of the United States,
north, south, as west,
798
00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:33,671
you had long-established,
sophisticated,
799
00:39:33,738 --> 00:39:37,742
in some instances politically
connected black populations
800
00:39:37,808 --> 00:39:40,945
who understood that if
discrimination had not formally
801
00:39:41,011 --> 00:39:44,081
been done away with, there
was still some element
802
00:39:44,148 --> 00:39:45,616
and exercise of power
803
00:39:45,683 --> 00:39:47,852
which allowed them
certain prerogatives.
804
00:39:48,619 --> 00:39:49,954
- Chip Wiggins.
805
00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:52,356
I don't think you even care
that I was just insulted.
806
00:39:52,423 --> 00:39:53,624
- What are you talking about?
807
00:39:53,691 --> 00:39:54,492
- Who insulted you?
808
00:39:54,558 --> 00:39:55,693
- A nigger.
809
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,328
Sally and I were walking
along Parson Street--
810
00:39:57,395 --> 00:39:58,529
- Lois!
811
00:39:58,596 --> 00:39:59,697
- You mean one of them
made a pass at you?
812
00:39:59,764 --> 00:40:01,098
- Well, what do you
expect us to do?
813
00:40:01,165 --> 00:40:04,135
After all, we're just a
couple of helpless girls.
814
00:40:04,201 --> 00:40:07,505
But if you just wanna stand
around here and yak about it.
815
00:40:07,571 --> 00:40:08,806
Come on, Sally.
816
00:40:08,873 --> 00:40:10,207
- Lois, how could you--
817
00:40:10,274 --> 00:40:13,544
- For example in Baltimore,
with the Afro-American's
818
00:40:13,611 --> 00:40:17,214
complaints about The Well
because of the language,
819
00:40:17,281 --> 00:40:21,619
we can see that just as easily
as a community interested
820
00:40:21,685 --> 00:40:26,056
in not seeing pejorative
language used about them
821
00:40:26,123 --> 00:40:27,625
or people who might
relate to them,
822
00:40:27,691 --> 00:40:29,760
and their ability to go
through political channels,
823
00:40:29,827 --> 00:40:31,862
to go through the
powers of politics
824
00:40:31,929 --> 00:40:34,665
to protect themselves
in a way that,
825
00:40:34,732 --> 00:40:37,635
surprisingly perhaps to
us in the 21st century,
826
00:40:37,701 --> 00:40:39,537
they had the expectation
that they could.
827
00:40:39,603 --> 00:40:41,105
- The authorities are
bound be to biased.
828
00:40:41,172 --> 00:40:43,674
It's only natural they'll be
influenced by race prejudice.
829
00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:45,743
- I don't think in this
case, in this town,
830
00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:47,511
race prejudice will
influence justice.
831
00:40:47,578 --> 00:40:49,213
- But this is a
unique situation.
832
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,516
A white man's accused of a
crime against a Negro child.
833
00:40:52,583 --> 00:40:54,785
This time, the shoe's
on the other foot.
834
00:40:55,586 --> 00:40:57,955
- [David] Many of the critics,
835
00:40:58,022 --> 00:41:00,491
particularly from
African-American circles,
836
00:41:00,558 --> 00:41:01,725
of The Well
837
00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:04,662
believed that the
story of The Well,
838
00:41:04,728 --> 00:41:06,997
which may or may not
have been a problem,
839
00:41:07,064 --> 00:41:10,334
could be told without
the gratuitous use
840
00:41:10,401 --> 00:41:13,838
of pejorative and negative
language about Africa-Americans.
841
00:41:13,904 --> 00:41:15,606
- Mr. Franken,
are you all right?
842
00:41:15,673 --> 00:41:16,874
- Come on, we best
get out of here!
843
00:41:16,941 --> 00:41:17,708
- [Man] Somebody get a doctor!
844
00:41:17,775 --> 00:41:18,576
- [Woman] What happened?
845
00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:19,977
- Some niggers did it!
846
00:41:20,044 --> 00:41:23,447
- [David] They would have
applauded efforts to ban
847
00:41:23,514 --> 00:41:25,649
certain types of
language and to restrict
848
00:41:25,716 --> 00:41:27,284
access to certain
types of ideas.
849
00:41:27,351 --> 00:41:28,619
(sirens blare)
850
00:41:28,686 --> 00:41:30,888
Protesting The Well because
of its use of language
851
00:41:30,955 --> 00:41:36,126
as opposed to protesting The
Well for some race-related,
852
00:41:37,294 --> 00:41:41,131
or violent race-related issue
I think speaks to the 1950s
853
00:41:41,198 --> 00:41:45,202
as clearly as say, Birth of
a Nation spoke to the 1910s.
854
00:41:45,269 --> 00:41:46,470
- [Woman] No, no!
855
00:41:46,537 --> 00:41:49,707
(suspenseful music)
856
00:41:50,808 --> 00:41:53,277
- Get in here, son!
857
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:56,380
(tires squeal)
858
00:41:56,447 --> 00:41:59,850
(gentle elegant music)
859
00:42:26,310 --> 00:42:27,945
- [Laura] The Miracle
involved a story
860
00:42:28,012 --> 00:42:30,047
that looked to some
American Catholics
861
00:42:30,114 --> 00:42:32,750
like it might be very
close to a mockery
862
00:42:32,816 --> 00:42:35,252
of the story of
the Virgin birth.
863
00:42:35,319 --> 00:42:38,856
It's to some Catholics
possibly blasphemy.
864
00:42:39,823 --> 00:42:41,659
- [Robert] They said
it was sacrilegious.
865
00:42:41,725 --> 00:42:43,427
It went to the Supreme Court.
866
00:42:43,494 --> 00:42:45,262
That's what finally decided
867
00:42:45,329 --> 00:42:49,934
that movies deserved First
Amendment protection.
868
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,970
That they were in fact
an artistic expression.
869
00:42:53,037 --> 00:42:56,340
- Roberto Rossellini's movie
was only 41 minutes long.
870
00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:59,109
It's a very short little
filmette, if you will.
871
00:42:59,176 --> 00:43:03,714
Joseph Burstyn was a film
distributor and a film importer.
872
00:43:03,781 --> 00:43:04,915
So he bought the film rights
873
00:43:04,982 --> 00:43:06,750
and brought it into
the United States
874
00:43:06,817 --> 00:43:09,119
and brought it to the
censors in New York State,
875
00:43:09,186 --> 00:43:11,155
and they passed it, they
said it was absolutely fine.
876
00:43:11,221 --> 00:43:14,458
Now you can't show a 41-minute
film in American theaters.
877
00:43:14,525 --> 00:43:18,929
So Burstyn found two other
short films and packaged them.
878
00:43:18,996 --> 00:43:22,766
He put them all together and
titled the movie Ways of Love.
879
00:43:22,833 --> 00:43:25,035
A barrage of
criticism hit the film
880
00:43:25,102 --> 00:43:26,737
when it opened at
the Paris Theater.
881
00:43:26,804 --> 00:43:28,472
Pickets showed up
at the theater,
882
00:43:28,539 --> 00:43:31,041
sometimes 100 pickets a night.
883
00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:35,412
And Catholics were asked to
write letters to the censors
884
00:43:35,479 --> 00:43:38,482
and demand that The
Miracle's license be revoked.
885
00:43:38,549 --> 00:43:41,418
And so the Board of Regents
decided to hold a hearing.
886
00:43:41,485 --> 00:43:44,688
And it was pretty much
a foregone conclusion
887
00:43:44,755 --> 00:43:47,524
that the three regents
who saw the film
888
00:43:47,591 --> 00:43:49,259
declared that it
was sacrilegious
889
00:43:49,326 --> 00:43:52,062
and ordered The Miracle's
license revoked.
890
00:43:52,129 --> 00:43:54,965
At that point, Joseph
Burstyn had a good case
891
00:43:55,032 --> 00:43:56,567
and decided to bring his case.
892
00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:59,903
He lost in both rounds of
the New York State courts,
893
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:02,272
and then he petitioned
to get his case heard
894
00:44:02,339 --> 00:44:04,875
by the Supreme Court
of the United States,
895
00:44:04,942 --> 00:44:07,044
which agreed to hear the case,
896
00:44:07,111 --> 00:44:10,147
which would make this case the
first time the Supreme Court
897
00:44:10,214 --> 00:44:15,419
had heard an issue of film
censorship since 1915.
898
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,755
The Mutual case was critical
899
00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:20,024
to any success in
the Miracle case.
900
00:44:20,090 --> 00:44:23,961
'Cause as long as that Mutual
case stood as good law,
901
00:44:24,028 --> 00:44:26,263
censorship was gonna stand.
902
00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:29,533
The Miracle case
had a clear outcome
903
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,468
and a less clear outcome.
904
00:44:31,535 --> 00:44:34,505
After the Miracle case, no
censor board could use sacrilege
905
00:44:34,571 --> 00:44:36,073
as a means to exclude a film.
906
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:39,176
Justice Tom Clark, who wrote
the opinion for the court,
907
00:44:39,243 --> 00:44:42,446
which was unanimous, by the
way, in this, surprisingly so,
908
00:44:42,513 --> 00:44:46,116
he said, "Expression by
means of motion pictures
909
00:44:46,183 --> 00:44:49,253
"is included within the free
speech and free press guarantee
910
00:44:49,319 --> 00:44:51,655
"of the First and
14th Amendments."
911
00:44:51,722 --> 00:44:55,926
That's enough to make
the anti-censorites
just jump for joy.
912
00:44:55,993 --> 00:44:59,863
The court also said that since
they were only determining
913
00:44:59,930 --> 00:45:02,800
whether a movie could be
censored for sacrilege,
914
00:45:02,866 --> 00:45:04,401
they didn't have to
determine whether a movie
915
00:45:04,468 --> 00:45:08,105
could be censored for
something else like obscenity.
916
00:45:08,172 --> 00:45:10,874
No one was very
sure what it meant.
917
00:45:10,941 --> 00:45:12,776
One person who was quite sure
918
00:45:12,843 --> 00:45:14,244
was Maryland's attorney general.
919
00:45:14,311 --> 00:45:18,048
Hall Hammond issued an
advisory to the censor board
920
00:45:18,115 --> 00:45:21,518
that from then forward, the
only censorable item left
921
00:45:21,585 --> 00:45:23,721
for them to use was obscenity.
922
00:45:23,787 --> 00:45:27,291
(playful music and ululating)
923
00:45:27,357 --> 00:45:30,027
By 1966, with the
demise of New York
924
00:45:30,094 --> 00:45:32,029
at the hands of its own
state supreme court,
925
00:45:32,096 --> 00:45:35,032
the only state left
censoring was Maryland.
926
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:36,133
(gentle piano music)
927
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,402
Every time the Maryland
board was faced
928
00:45:38,469 --> 00:45:41,171
with a legal challenge
to a decision,
929
00:45:41,238 --> 00:45:44,975
they lost every
case for 20 years.
930
00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:47,111
But I think the main
problem they were having
931
00:45:47,177 --> 00:45:49,813
was with the experts
they were using
932
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,548
as their expert witnesses.
933
00:45:51,615 --> 00:45:54,084
And every time they would go
to the Baltimore city court,
934
00:45:54,151 --> 00:45:56,086
the experts, whoever they were,
935
00:45:56,153 --> 00:45:58,222
the Baltimore city court
judges would accept
936
00:45:58,288 --> 00:46:00,958
because the experts had
said something was obscene.
937
00:46:01,024 --> 00:46:04,027
But when they got to the
Maryland Court of Appeals,
938
00:46:04,094 --> 00:46:05,429
that's when the Maryland
Court of Appeals said
939
00:46:05,496 --> 00:46:07,231
you're experts aren't
really experts.
940
00:46:07,297 --> 00:46:09,800
- [Robert] Membership was very
interesting over the years.
941
00:46:09,867 --> 00:46:11,435
You had the gamut.
942
00:46:11,502 --> 00:46:14,271
They were political
appointees in the first place,
943
00:46:14,338 --> 00:46:16,306
but there were
basically three members
944
00:46:16,373 --> 00:46:18,876
who viewed the pictures
and who decided
945
00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:20,878
what scenes they wanted cut.
946
00:46:20,944 --> 00:46:24,281
- I don't know who is
qualified to be a censor.
947
00:46:24,348 --> 00:46:27,651
I think that it's such
a subjective thing
948
00:46:27,718 --> 00:46:33,023
and such a denial of freedom
without much recourse
949
00:46:34,024 --> 00:46:36,894
for a filmmaker, for example.
950
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,164
He'd have to spend a lot
of money to go to court
951
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:42,466
and maybe he'd win
and maybe he wouldn't.
952
00:46:42,533 --> 00:46:45,335
- [Laura] Most of the censors
on the state and local boards
953
00:46:45,402 --> 00:46:47,271
were people who
seemed to have had
954
00:46:47,337 --> 00:46:49,473
very few qualifications
as censors,
955
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:52,342
some of whom weren't even
particularly interested
956
00:46:52,409 --> 00:46:54,812
in movies before being
nominated to the board
957
00:46:54,878 --> 00:46:56,013
by the governor.
958
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,582
In Maryland the law
was tightened in 1922
959
00:46:58,649 --> 00:47:01,952
and provided for three
censors, and I'm quoting here,
960
00:47:02,019 --> 00:47:04,955
"well qualified by
education and experience
961
00:47:05,022 --> 00:47:07,024
"to act as censors."
962
00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:11,128
But what well qualified
meant was unaddressed.
963
00:47:11,195 --> 00:47:15,866
In 1961 the new chief
censor, Norman C. Mason,
964
00:47:15,933 --> 00:47:18,468
had completed only
the 11th grade.
965
00:47:18,535 --> 00:47:21,738
His successor was,
according to James Dilts
966
00:47:21,805 --> 00:47:23,307
of the Baltimore Sun,
967
00:47:23,373 --> 00:47:26,443
the most experienced censor
in Maryland's history
968
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:28,946
because he'd spent
the previous six years
969
00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:31,615
visiting his friend Mason
in the projection room
970
00:47:31,682 --> 00:47:33,283
and watching movies with him.
971
00:47:33,350 --> 00:47:38,155
That was what qualified him
as the most qualified censor.
972
00:47:38,222 --> 00:47:42,559
Salaries were very low, so
censors were often women.
973
00:47:42,626 --> 00:47:44,661
In terms of how long
the censors stayed,
974
00:47:44,728 --> 00:47:48,298
censors could change with each
gubernatorial administration.
975
00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:52,135
So distributors often had
no idea who the censors were
976
00:47:52,202 --> 00:47:53,670
and what they were
likely to object to,
977
00:47:53,737 --> 00:47:56,974
because it might be somebody
new every three years.
978
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,275
- They're political jobs.
979
00:47:58,342 --> 00:48:00,010
You're appointed
by the governor.
980
00:48:00,077 --> 00:48:01,511
- [Reporter] And you've
been here 14 years?
981
00:48:01,578 --> 00:48:03,280
- Five different governors
have appointed me,
982
00:48:03,347 --> 00:48:06,383
and I'm gonna be on 30 more
years if I can help it.
983
00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:07,050
(laughter)
984
00:48:07,117 --> 00:48:08,352
(piano flourish)
985
00:48:08,418 --> 00:48:10,954
- [Robert] They had
inspectors who would go around
986
00:48:11,021 --> 00:48:12,756
and actually view the movies,
987
00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:15,125
make sure that the
scenes were cut
988
00:48:15,192 --> 00:48:16,493
that were supposed to be cut.
989
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,195
They would also have
a projection room
990
00:48:18,262 --> 00:48:19,529
where they could view a movie.
991
00:48:19,596 --> 00:48:21,131
- It was very easy,
anybody could go down there
992
00:48:21,198 --> 00:48:22,933
if you had the time.
993
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,301
Anybody could go to a screening.
994
00:48:24,368 --> 00:48:26,303
And I went to loads
of screenings there.
995
00:48:26,370 --> 00:48:27,504
- I had never been there before,
996
00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:29,706
so my wife and I
went, we took popcorn.
997
00:48:29,773 --> 00:48:34,711
And they didn't like that,
because to me it was a big joke.
998
00:48:34,778 --> 00:48:37,147
- I was eight, seven or eight,
999
00:48:37,214 --> 00:48:38,548
so I wouldn't have
been in the back
1000
00:48:38,615 --> 00:48:41,718
where they're watching the,
quote unquote, good stuff.
1001
00:48:41,785 --> 00:48:42,886
But I would be in there.
1002
00:48:42,953 --> 00:48:44,688
It was just a basic
office with desks.
1003
00:48:44,755 --> 00:48:47,124
A downtown business office.
1004
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:48,492
It wouldn't have
been any different
1005
00:48:48,558 --> 00:48:51,962
than any other
bureaucratic front office.
1006
00:48:52,029 --> 00:48:54,298
Looking at it now, it's
absurd in its hype,
1007
00:48:54,364 --> 00:48:56,099
and it's something out
of a John Waters movie,
1008
00:48:56,166 --> 00:48:58,936
and no doubt John Waters
got a lot of his inspiration
1009
00:48:59,002 --> 00:49:01,405
from this world,
this Baltimore world.
1010
00:49:01,471 --> 00:49:02,306
(boy gasps)
1011
00:49:02,372 --> 00:49:04,007
- I love you,
Baltimore, I really do.
1012
00:49:04,074 --> 00:49:07,044
(crowd applauds)
1013
00:49:07,811 --> 00:49:09,313
- I am Cecil B. DeMented!
1014
00:49:09,379 --> 00:49:10,981
And this is a
fucking kidnapping!
1015
00:49:11,048 --> 00:49:12,449
(crowd panics)
(bombs explode)
1016
00:49:12,516 --> 00:49:14,084
(guns fire)
(crowd clamors)
1017
00:49:14,151 --> 00:49:16,153
Get down, everybody!
1018
00:49:16,219 --> 00:49:18,288
- [Laura] The review and
the censoring process
1019
00:49:18,355 --> 00:49:20,324
was pretty similar
from state to state.
1020
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:23,293
If a distributor wanted to
show a film commercially
1021
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,897
within a censoring locality,
he had to submit the film.
1022
00:49:26,964 --> 00:49:28,899
The distributor paid
a fee at that time
1023
00:49:28,966 --> 00:49:32,769
based on the length of the
film and the number of copies.
1024
00:49:32,836 --> 00:49:34,471
They would make notations.
1025
00:49:34,538 --> 00:49:36,540
They might ask the
projectionist to stop
1026
00:49:36,606 --> 00:49:39,609
and go back if necessary
to mark the exact spot
1027
00:49:39,676 --> 00:49:43,480
where an illegal word
or gesture or conduct
1028
00:49:43,547 --> 00:49:44,481
had taken place.
1029
00:49:44,548 --> 00:49:45,849
(projector whirs)
(tinkly piano music)
1030
00:49:45,916 --> 00:49:47,617
The reviewer would then
write that down on a form,
1031
00:49:47,684 --> 00:49:50,320
and that form was then
given to the distributor.
1032
00:49:50,387 --> 00:49:54,057
The distributor was required
to remove those parts
1033
00:49:54,124 --> 00:49:56,927
and return the film
for a second review.
1034
00:49:56,994 --> 00:50:02,199
(projector whirs)
(tinkly piano music)
1035
00:50:03,266 --> 00:50:04,468
(bouncy piano music)
1036
00:50:04,534 --> 00:50:07,571
If the film was
objectionable in the whole,
1037
00:50:07,637 --> 00:50:11,274
it was rejected using
the term In Toto.
1038
00:50:11,341 --> 00:50:14,478
In other words, don't bother
to bring this film back to us.
1039
00:50:14,544 --> 00:50:17,314
It isn't going to be passed
no matter what you do to it.
1040
00:50:17,381 --> 00:50:19,916
If the distributor didn't
wanna make the cuts
1041
00:50:19,983 --> 00:50:22,219
or had an In Toto rejection,
1042
00:50:22,285 --> 00:50:24,988
he could ask for
a second review.
1043
00:50:25,055 --> 00:50:28,158
If the censors didn't budge
after the second reviewer,
1044
00:50:28,225 --> 00:50:29,993
the distributor could sue.
1045
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:32,229
That was the only recourse.
1046
00:50:32,295 --> 00:50:35,565
(bouncy piano music)
1047
00:50:36,299 --> 00:50:39,836
(sweeping elegant music)
1048
00:50:40,937 --> 00:50:46,309
- If the movie had the
seal of the censor board
1049
00:50:47,477 --> 00:50:51,815
shown at the beginning of
the film, anyone could go in.
1050
00:50:52,983 --> 00:50:57,854
What was missing from that
seal was any reference at all
1051
00:50:59,022 --> 00:51:01,324
to the fact that the movie
may have been abridged,
1052
00:51:01,391 --> 00:51:02,726
that there may have
been deletions.
1053
00:51:02,793 --> 00:51:06,263
People would go thinking they
were seeing the entire film
1054
00:51:06,329 --> 00:51:09,199
when maybe they weren't,
and they didn't know that.
1055
00:51:09,266 --> 00:51:12,903
So that was, to me, outrageous.
1056
00:51:12,969 --> 00:51:16,339
If you buy a book, it'll
say abridged or unabridged.
1057
00:51:16,406 --> 00:51:18,975
But in a film, where
people are paying money
1058
00:51:19,042 --> 00:51:20,277
and they see the seal,
1059
00:51:20,343 --> 00:51:22,512
they assume that they're
seeing the whole thing.
1060
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:26,450
(ominous orchestral music)
1061
00:51:34,624 --> 00:51:36,393
- The board was a number
of different things,
1062
00:51:36,460 --> 00:51:37,761
but one of the things it was
1063
00:51:37,828 --> 00:51:41,698
was a reward to a
faithful servant.
1064
00:51:41,765 --> 00:51:45,035
My first contact with the
board was at their invitation.
1065
00:51:45,102 --> 00:51:46,470
I did meet a couple of people
1066
00:51:46,536 --> 00:51:49,072
who had come into the screening
who were on the board,
1067
00:51:49,139 --> 00:51:52,175
and I said, where's the chair?
1068
00:51:52,242 --> 00:51:54,744
And they said because
of his infirmities,
1069
00:51:54,811 --> 00:51:57,714
he really wasn't able to
see many of the films.
1070
00:51:57,781 --> 00:52:02,319
I suspect that Egbert
Quinn at some earlier stage
1071
00:52:02,385 --> 00:52:03,553
may have seen a lot of films,
1072
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:07,257
may have had strong
thoughts about films.
1073
00:52:07,324 --> 00:52:10,494
But at the time, he
really was disabled,
1074
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,330
by distance, by his eyesight,
1075
00:52:13,396 --> 00:52:15,031
I think they even
said he was deaf, too,
1076
00:52:15,098 --> 00:52:16,800
but I'm not sure about that.
1077
00:52:16,867 --> 00:52:17,934
(upbeat music)
1078
00:52:18,001 --> 00:52:21,404
- My mother was appointed
by Millard Tawes,
1079
00:52:21,471 --> 00:52:25,909
Governor Millard Tawes, to the
Motion Picture Censor Board
1080
00:52:25,976 --> 00:52:29,513
after a great deal of
lobbying by my father,
1081
00:52:29,579 --> 00:52:33,583
who adored her and
wanted her to be famous,
1082
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:37,587
and he wanted to share her,
she was an attractive woman.
1083
00:52:37,654 --> 00:52:40,490
And he had some
political connections.
1084
00:52:40,557 --> 00:52:42,959
I can't say that
she was qualified,
1085
00:52:43,026 --> 00:52:45,095
but my father thought she was
1086
00:52:45,162 --> 00:52:47,264
because he owned movie theaters
1087
00:52:47,330 --> 00:52:49,199
and she would go to
the movies a lot.
1088
00:52:49,266 --> 00:52:51,535
I think her biggest
qualification
1089
00:52:51,601 --> 00:52:55,272
was that she was
capable of castration.
1090
00:52:55,338 --> 00:52:58,408
She was a ball-breaker,
1091
00:52:58,475 --> 00:53:03,647
and I am a survivor,
astonishingly sane,
1092
00:53:04,347 --> 00:53:05,849
because she was pretty harsh.
1093
00:53:05,916 --> 00:53:07,117
(playful music)
1094
00:53:07,184 --> 00:53:09,186
- And the winner is:
1095
00:53:09,252 --> 00:53:12,255
(opens envelope)
1096
00:53:14,057 --> 00:53:15,992
Le ciel et la boue.
1097
00:53:16,059 --> 00:53:17,460
Sky Above and Mud Beneath.
1098
00:53:17,527 --> 00:53:18,628
(triumphant music)
1099
00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:20,297
- A friend of mine,
we were having dinner,
1100
00:53:20,363 --> 00:53:23,333
a little bit of a provocateur.
1101
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,968
"Mrs. Schecter,
have you censored
1102
00:53:25,035 --> 00:53:26,703
"any movies lately?", he said.
1103
00:53:26,770 --> 00:53:29,272
"Oh, yes, we had one
about this island
1104
00:53:29,339 --> 00:53:31,575
"in South Pacific somewhere
1105
00:53:31,641 --> 00:53:33,443
"where people were
running around naked."
1106
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:36,313
So my friend said, "The
Sky Above, The Mud Below?"
1107
00:53:36,379 --> 00:53:37,514
"Yes, that's the one!"
1108
00:53:37,581 --> 00:53:39,282
"Well, what was
wrong with that?"
1109
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:41,151
"Frontal nudity."
1110
00:53:41,218 --> 00:53:42,686
"Frontal nudity," he said.
1111
00:53:42,752 --> 00:53:45,822
"Well did you want them to
put clothes on those people?"
1112
00:53:45,889 --> 00:53:48,658
She said, "No, but let
me give you an example.
1113
00:53:48,725 --> 00:53:50,594
"There was an old man
sitting on a stool
1114
00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,996
"or some kind of a
box or something.
1115
00:53:53,063 --> 00:53:55,699
"And his organ was showing.
1116
00:53:55,765 --> 00:53:58,268
"It must have been
eight inches long.
1117
00:53:58,335 --> 00:54:00,237
"We had to cut that."
1118
00:54:00,303 --> 00:54:03,240
Now Sigmund Freud
would say, cut that?
1119
00:54:03,306 --> 00:54:04,975
Snip snip on the penis?
1120
00:54:05,041 --> 00:54:06,309
Yes!
1121
00:54:06,376 --> 00:54:08,712
Yes, that's what my
mother was doing!
1122
00:54:10,213 --> 00:54:11,014
Horrifying!
1123
00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:12,749
(dissonant music)
1124
00:54:12,816 --> 00:54:14,851
But my hope is she
didn't get mine.
1125
00:54:14,918 --> 00:54:16,386
(chuckles)
1126
00:54:16,453 --> 00:54:18,054
Sorry about that.
1127
00:54:18,121 --> 00:54:20,857
(dissonant music and ululating)
1128
00:54:20,924 --> 00:54:24,494
- [Robert] There were women
who were simply grandmothers.
1129
00:54:24,561 --> 00:54:27,230
Mary Avara was a perfect case.
1130
00:54:27,297 --> 00:54:30,433
A tough grandmother,
a bail bondsman.
1131
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:33,536
- In Maryland, deciding
what is or isn't obscene
1132
00:54:33,603 --> 00:54:34,871
if it applies to movies
1133
00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:37,641
is the job of an official
censorship board.
1134
00:54:37,707 --> 00:54:39,909
Charles Gibson has a
report on one board member,
1135
00:54:39,976 --> 00:54:43,513
a very outspoken
70-year-old grandmother.
1136
00:54:43,580 --> 00:54:46,216
- (in unison with group) Our
Father who art in Heaven,
1137
00:54:46,283 --> 00:54:47,884
hallowed by thy name--
1138
00:54:47,951 --> 00:54:50,053
- [Charles] That's Mary
Avara leading the prayer,
1139
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,688
president and chief moving force
1140
00:54:51,755 --> 00:54:54,024
of the Ward Six
Baltimore Ladies Club.
1141
00:54:54,090 --> 00:54:56,159
She's turned over her
house to the club,
1142
00:54:56,226 --> 00:54:58,161
and the members
call her St. Mary.
1143
00:54:58,228 --> 00:54:59,195
- I was working
on the waterfront.
1144
00:54:59,262 --> 00:55:00,230
(jaunty music)
1145
00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:02,132
This is in the late '50s.
1146
00:55:02,198 --> 00:55:05,568
And the political leader
there was Mike McHale,
1147
00:55:05,635 --> 00:55:06,770
he was a city councilman,
1148
00:55:06,836 --> 00:55:08,705
he lived around
the corner from us.
1149
00:55:08,772 --> 00:55:11,107
So I was interested in
politics, and one night he says,
1150
00:55:11,174 --> 00:55:13,209
"I want you to go to
this political meeting.
1151
00:55:13,276 --> 00:55:14,944
"It's over in
southwest Baltimore,
1152
00:55:15,011 --> 00:55:17,047
"over by the Hollins
Street Market."
1153
00:55:18,214 --> 00:55:22,052
So I go with him in the
car, we get by the market,
1154
00:55:22,118 --> 00:55:24,254
and the meeting place
was up the steps.
1155
00:55:24,321 --> 00:55:25,488
(uptempo piano music)
1156
00:55:25,555 --> 00:55:27,657
And I remember walking
up the steps with him
1157
00:55:27,724 --> 00:55:31,061
to the floor where the
meeting was gonna be held.
1158
00:55:31,127 --> 00:55:34,764
And when we get there,
this guy that's half drunk
1159
00:55:34,831 --> 00:55:37,400
comes over to him and starts
hitting him in his face
1160
00:55:37,467 --> 00:55:39,636
and bad-mouthing him.
1161
00:55:39,703 --> 00:55:41,571
And before Mike
could say anything,
1162
00:55:41,638 --> 00:55:45,842
this woman came
out of the shadows,
1163
00:55:45,909 --> 00:55:47,877
grabbed the guy by the collar,
1164
00:55:47,944 --> 00:55:52,415
and said, "Don't you insult
Mr. McHale, he's my guest."
1165
00:55:52,482 --> 00:55:54,551
After she did that, Mike
turned to me and said,
1166
00:55:54,617 --> 00:55:57,620
"Billy, I want you
to meet Mary Avara."
1167
00:55:57,687 --> 00:56:00,957
(jaunty piano music)
1168
00:56:04,627 --> 00:56:09,833
Mary Avara was genuine,
authentic, Italian, Catholic.
1169
00:56:12,969 --> 00:56:17,507
And political, loyal, faithful.
1170
00:56:18,408 --> 00:56:19,743
That's Mary Avara.
1171
00:56:19,809 --> 00:56:24,581
- [Man] Mary Avara was the
power behind the censor board,
1172
00:56:24,647 --> 00:56:26,983
much as the Medicis
never held a position
1173
00:56:27,050 --> 00:56:30,820
in the Signoria of Florence,
but they were the powers.
1174
00:56:30,887 --> 00:56:33,556
Someone had to do it, and
she seemed to enjoy it.
1175
00:56:33,623 --> 00:56:36,159
- She was easy to offend,
and the thing was, though,
1176
00:56:36,226 --> 00:56:37,360
she became a national joke.
1177
00:56:37,427 --> 00:56:41,364
My memory with her, it was
always nudity and thrusting,
1178
00:56:41,431 --> 00:56:43,466
she really hated thrusting.
1179
00:56:43,533 --> 00:56:45,068
Now I don't think
she had ever imagined
1180
00:56:45,135 --> 00:56:47,036
a penis would ever be
shown in the movies.
1181
00:56:47,103 --> 00:56:50,073
I'm sure that threw her
into a complete fit.
1182
00:56:50,140 --> 00:56:55,311
- Well, Mary was laughable, but
she was also a stern censor,
1183
00:56:56,246 --> 00:56:57,580
so that you would've
laughed at the same time
1184
00:56:57,647 --> 00:56:59,449
she had a good bit of power.
1185
00:56:59,516 --> 00:57:01,885
- [Pat] She was so the enemy.
1186
00:57:01,951 --> 00:57:06,022
You know, she was
like Captain Hook.
1187
00:57:06,089 --> 00:57:07,824
You know, if you were a
kid and saw that movie,
1188
00:57:07,891 --> 00:57:09,826
that was a villain, you know?
1189
00:57:09,893 --> 00:57:11,394
And she was just a villain.
1190
00:57:11,461 --> 00:57:14,464
- Regardless if anybody says,
my constitutional rights,
1191
00:57:14,531 --> 00:57:17,167
big deal, constitutional right!
1192
00:57:17,233 --> 00:57:18,368
When that was written,
1193
00:57:18,435 --> 00:57:20,336
how many people were
here and existed?
1194
00:57:20,403 --> 00:57:24,941
Did they have these type of
films that are being shown?
1195
00:57:25,008 --> 00:57:27,510
- [Charles] Mary finds the
ratings far too lenient
1196
00:57:27,577 --> 00:57:28,812
and uses her own.
1197
00:57:28,878 --> 00:57:32,549
- Well, I rate them
GP, garbage production.
1198
00:57:32,615 --> 00:57:34,484
R is for rotten.
1199
00:57:35,251 --> 00:57:37,520
BR, beyond repairs.
1200
00:57:38,321 --> 00:57:39,789
If it's real bad, 4 R's,
1201
00:57:39,856 --> 00:57:42,926
rotten, rotten, and
rotten, and rotten.
1202
00:57:42,992 --> 00:57:44,961
- [Charles] The Supreme Court
says community standards
1203
00:57:45,028 --> 00:57:47,897
should determine
what is pornographic,
what can't be shown.
1204
00:57:47,964 --> 00:57:50,400
Mary says she simply
represents the community
1205
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:53,470
and has stacks of congratulatory
letters from Marylanders
1206
00:57:53,536 --> 00:57:54,871
to back her up.
1207
00:57:54,938 --> 00:57:57,273
And she says she'll stay as
the keeper of Maryland morals
1208
00:57:57,340 --> 00:57:58,708
as long as they'll let her.
1209
00:57:58,775 --> 00:58:00,477
- [Mary] Don't nobody care.
1210
00:58:00,543 --> 00:58:04,314
Somewhere, somebody
has to take a stand.
1211
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:07,484
- The whole thing was
wrong from top to bottom.
1212
00:58:07,550 --> 00:58:09,853
There was nothing
about it that was right
1213
00:58:09,919 --> 00:58:12,121
or, in my estimation, funny.
1214
00:58:12,188 --> 00:58:15,358
But it was a laughingstock,
actually, of the United States
1215
00:58:15,425 --> 00:58:17,393
when she did the
talk show circuit.
1216
00:58:17,460 --> 00:58:21,297
- She was, you know, had a
fourth grade education, so what?
1217
00:58:21,364 --> 00:58:23,967
But I don't think that
she should've had a say
1218
00:58:24,033 --> 00:58:26,069
of what people, what
movies they should see.
1219
00:58:26,135 --> 00:58:28,972
And she said really stupid
things all the time.
1220
00:58:29,038 --> 00:58:30,807
But yet, people
thought it was funny.
1221
00:58:30,874 --> 00:58:33,910
She never understood people
were laughing at her.
1222
00:58:33,977 --> 00:58:36,212
And they were definitely
laughing at her.
1223
00:58:36,279 --> 00:58:37,614
Now she may have known that.
1224
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,549
She liked being
famous, definitely.
1225
00:58:39,616 --> 00:58:42,685
She liked being in the news,
1226
00:58:42,752 --> 00:58:44,521
and she liked the
whole bit of it,
1227
00:58:44,587 --> 00:58:46,289
she liked to fight
and everything.
1228
00:58:46,356 --> 00:58:47,590
I found her not colorful.
1229
00:58:47,657 --> 00:58:48,758
I found her a moron,
1230
00:58:48,825 --> 00:58:50,727
and I felt she was
incredibly embarrassing
1231
00:58:50,793 --> 00:58:52,729
for the city of Baltimore,
if you wanna know the truth.
1232
00:58:52,795 --> 00:58:54,397
- I want to tell you
something, Bobby,
1233
00:58:54,464 --> 00:58:56,332
are you really Italian?
1234
00:58:56,399 --> 00:58:57,767
You can't possibly be.
1235
00:58:57,834 --> 00:58:58,935
- [Bobby] Now what
does that have to do--
1236
00:58:59,002 --> 00:59:01,204
- For the simple reason
that Italian people--
1237
00:59:01,271 --> 00:59:02,405
- What does that have
to do with 1975--
1238
00:59:02,472 --> 00:59:04,340
- I don't care if it's 1980,
1239
00:59:04,407 --> 00:59:07,510
Italian people don't teach
their children your way.
1240
00:59:07,577 --> 00:59:08,778
A lot of other nationalities--
1241
00:59:08,845 --> 00:59:11,247
- You mean I don't teach--
(crowd applauds)
1242
00:59:11,314 --> 00:59:13,249
- No, Bobby, I'm very sorry.
1243
00:59:13,316 --> 00:59:14,250
My daughter-in-law--
1244
00:59:14,317 --> 00:59:15,385
- [Bobby] You mean
teach them freedom,
1245
00:59:15,451 --> 00:59:16,386
is that what you're saying?
1246
00:59:16,452 --> 00:59:18,254
- Oh, we have freedom,
don't you have freedom?
1247
00:59:18,321 --> 00:59:19,656
- I'm questioning right now.
1248
00:59:19,722 --> 00:59:21,357
- One of my
daughter-in-laws, she said,
1249
00:59:21,424 --> 00:59:22,725
"Oh I just think it's great
1250
00:59:22,792 --> 00:59:24,794
"that you're going on
with that Bobby Darin,
1251
00:59:24,861 --> 00:59:26,195
"I think he's too much--"
1252
00:59:26,262 --> 00:59:27,830
- What does that have to
do with the price of eggs?
1253
00:59:27,897 --> 00:59:28,998
- Now of course she
probably right now
1254
00:59:29,065 --> 00:59:30,600
is gonna change her
opinion of you--
1255
00:59:30,667 --> 00:59:33,102
(audience laughs)
1256
00:59:33,169 --> 00:59:34,604
And I'll tell you another thing.
1257
00:59:34,671 --> 00:59:36,239
We're getting from
one subject to another
1258
00:59:36,306 --> 00:59:38,808
When you start showing
all these films and all,
1259
00:59:38,875 --> 00:59:40,476
nobody's gonna change me,
1260
00:59:40,543 --> 00:59:41,644
I don't change that easy,
1261
00:59:41,711 --> 00:59:43,313
and I've been on
the board 10 years,
1262
00:59:43,379 --> 00:59:44,414
I'm a mother.
1263
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,749
I'm just as qualified as anybody
1264
00:59:46,816 --> 00:59:49,719
who's got an education
degree and what else,
1265
00:59:49,786 --> 00:59:51,788
but I'm gonna protect youngsters
1266
00:59:51,854 --> 00:59:54,857
if that's the last thing I
do, if I live 20 more years.
1267
00:59:54,924 --> 00:59:56,225
(audience applauds)
1268
00:59:56,292 --> 00:59:58,595
- I wanna thank Margery
Shriver and Miss Mary Avara.
1269
00:59:58,661 --> 01:00:00,163
Thank you for coming.
1270
01:00:00,229 --> 01:00:02,665
(audience applauds)
(light piano music)
1271
01:00:02,732 --> 01:00:03,967
- [Robert] During the
life of the censor board
1272
01:00:04,033 --> 01:00:06,369
it was a constant polarization.
1273
01:00:06,436 --> 01:00:08,271
There were people who
thought the censor board
1274
01:00:08,338 --> 01:00:10,473
was absolutely useless.
(bright piano music)
1275
01:00:10,540 --> 01:00:11,908
You found this in
the newspapers.
1276
01:00:11,975 --> 01:00:15,311
The Evening Sun,
anti-censor board.
1277
01:00:15,378 --> 01:00:17,046
The Morning Sun, pro-censor.
1278
01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:19,649
The Baltimore News was
against censorship.
1279
01:00:19,716 --> 01:00:21,884
Some of the critics
were for censorship.
1280
01:00:21,951 --> 01:00:23,386
Even some of the exhibitors.
1281
01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:27,023
If you look in the newspapers,
at the letters to the editor,
1282
01:00:27,090 --> 01:00:31,794
you will find every possible
variation on the spectrum,
1283
01:00:31,861 --> 01:00:33,896
from hated the censor board,
1284
01:00:33,963 --> 01:00:35,632
thought they were
a bunch of idiots,
1285
01:00:35,698 --> 01:00:37,567
they didn't deserve
to be censors,
1286
01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:41,638
to we don't need any
censorship, everything is okay,
1287
01:00:41,704 --> 01:00:43,239
put everything out
there on the table.
1288
01:00:43,306 --> 01:00:46,643
So you found the
entire gamut of things.
1289
01:00:46,709 --> 01:00:49,979
(bright piano music)
1290
01:00:55,785 --> 01:00:57,387
- [Felix] It was
against this background
1291
01:00:57,453 --> 01:01:01,124
that Mr. Freedman decided
in the fall of 1962
1292
01:01:01,190 --> 01:01:02,925
to test directly the authority
1293
01:01:02,992 --> 01:01:05,428
of the Maryland Motion
Picture Censor Board.
1294
01:01:06,929 --> 01:01:08,498
- [Thomas] Commissioner
Freedman has,
1295
01:01:08,564 --> 01:01:13,936
his attorney has urged that he
should be able to show a film
1296
01:01:14,637 --> 01:01:16,839
without any type of license,
1297
01:01:16,906 --> 01:01:19,409
without submitting
it for censorship.
1298
01:01:19,475 --> 01:01:24,881
- Okay, in the 1960s, I
think this was the beginning
1299
01:01:25,815 --> 01:01:27,950
of the death of the
Maryland censor board.
1300
01:01:28,017 --> 01:01:29,285
And exhibitor named
Ronald Freedman,
1301
01:01:29,352 --> 01:01:32,622
he was running the Rex
Theater at this time.
1302
01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:33,956
- [Ronald] We had
to run our theater,
1303
01:01:34,023 --> 01:01:37,126
we had to get pictures through.
1304
01:01:37,193 --> 01:01:38,861
The censor board would eliminate
1305
01:01:38,928 --> 01:01:43,499
certain scenes in a picture
which they didn't like.
1306
01:01:43,566 --> 01:01:47,837
So what we did was, we
submitted the picture
1307
01:01:47,904 --> 01:01:49,639
to the censor board.
1308
01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:53,342
In advance, we took out scenes
they probably wouldn't like,
1309
01:01:53,409 --> 01:01:58,548
and then showed the picture
with the scenes back in again.
1310
01:01:59,282 --> 01:02:00,883
softcore sex scenes, you know,
1311
01:02:00,950 --> 01:02:03,686
scenes by today's
standards would be nothing
1312
01:02:03,753 --> 01:02:06,089
but in those days
the censor board
1313
01:02:06,155 --> 01:02:07,924
would stop everything
and anything.
1314
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:11,761
- My father became a
First Amendment crusader
1315
01:02:11,828 --> 01:02:13,229
by the opportunities of history.
1316
01:02:13,296 --> 01:02:15,898
He started out more into
the history of film,
1317
01:02:15,965 --> 01:02:19,268
wanted to promote classic
films, film societies.
1318
01:02:19,335 --> 01:02:21,471
When the softcore films came in,
1319
01:02:21,537 --> 01:02:23,139
that's where the money was,
1320
01:02:23,206 --> 01:02:24,474
and he went in that direction.
1321
01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:27,844
And he wanted to keep,
as the screen became
1322
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:30,379
more and more explicit
as the years went by,
1323
01:02:30,446 --> 01:02:32,248
he wanted to stay with that
and be where the money was.
1324
01:02:32,315 --> 01:02:34,250
- Well you're talking
about the Rex Theater,
1325
01:02:34,317 --> 01:02:36,352
which was hugely
important to me.
1326
01:02:36,419 --> 01:02:38,554
When I was a kid I saw
The Wizard of Oz there.
1327
01:02:38,621 --> 01:02:41,357
First it was a neighborhood
theater, right?
1328
01:02:41,424 --> 01:02:44,794
But as they all die, as we
know, they become porn theaters
1329
01:02:44,861 --> 01:02:46,529
and then churches.
1330
01:02:46,596 --> 01:02:47,897
Well this was way before porn.
1331
01:02:47,964 --> 01:02:49,932
But the Rex was the best.
1332
01:02:49,999 --> 01:02:51,901
I mean, they had
every condemned movie
1333
01:02:51,968 --> 01:02:54,036
that the nuns told us
we'd go to hell to see if
1334
01:02:54,103 --> 01:02:56,572
they read to me every
Sunday at Sunday school.
1335
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:58,040
I was a kid then, you know.
1336
01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:00,309
But I used to read about it,
and I knew about his fights
1337
01:03:00,376 --> 01:03:01,744
with the censor
board and everything.
1338
01:03:01,811 --> 01:03:03,546
So he was my idol.
1339
01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:06,516
I used to cut out all the ads
and keep them in a scrapbook
1340
01:03:06,582 --> 01:03:09,418
and pretend that I
owned the Rex as a child
1341
01:03:09,485 --> 01:03:10,853
and imagine the hell
1342
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,722
it would cause my
community and everything.
1343
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:13,923
We would go see everything.
1344
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:15,625
We would see every
nudist camp movie.
1345
01:03:15,691 --> 01:03:18,728
This is when we were teenagers,
high on pot and acid.
1346
01:03:18,795 --> 01:03:22,431
We would go see the most
ludicrous exploitation movies.
1347
01:03:22,498 --> 01:03:23,666
But I saw them all.
1348
01:03:23,733 --> 01:03:25,468
They were real training for me.
1349
01:03:25,535 --> 01:03:28,204
- [Laura] One day, Freedman
saw an advertisement
1350
01:03:28,271 --> 01:03:31,274
for a film called
The Immoral Mr. Teas
1351
01:03:31,340 --> 01:03:34,477
that was showing at a nearby
Washington, D.C., theater
1352
01:03:34,544 --> 01:03:37,914
and raking in lots of
crowds and lots of money.
1353
01:03:37,980 --> 01:03:39,382
And he began to think,
1354
01:03:39,448 --> 01:03:41,551
hmm, how come I can't
show that movie?
1355
01:03:41,617 --> 01:03:43,252
Well, the answer is
he couldn't show it
1356
01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:46,189
because it wouldn't be passed
by the Maryland censor board.
1357
01:03:46,255 --> 01:03:50,092
And that's when he began to
think that maybe the censorship
1358
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,562
that his theater was
living under was something
1359
01:03:52,628 --> 01:03:54,630
that needed to be questioned.
1360
01:03:54,697 --> 01:03:57,300
- He decided to make a test case
1361
01:03:57,366 --> 01:04:00,736
of this movie
Revenge at Daybreak,
1362
01:04:00,803 --> 01:04:02,505
which wasn't a
controversial movie,
1363
01:04:02,572 --> 01:04:04,073
but he just said he
was gonna show it
1364
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:06,275
without the seal of the censors.
1365
01:04:06,342 --> 01:04:09,212
- [Laura] When Freedman began
to show Revenge at Daybreak
1366
01:04:09,278 --> 01:04:11,080
without having bothered
to take it through
1367
01:04:11,147 --> 01:04:13,049
the Maryland board of censors,
1368
01:04:13,115 --> 01:04:14,450
he knew he would get caught.
1369
01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:16,819
In fact, he wanted
to get caught.
1370
01:04:16,886 --> 01:04:19,322
This is standard
procedure for people
1371
01:04:19,388 --> 01:04:21,190
who are trying to buck a system
1372
01:04:21,257 --> 01:04:23,759
or people who are trying
to make a legal case.
1373
01:04:23,826 --> 01:04:25,895
He wanted to be a test case
1374
01:04:25,962 --> 01:04:27,763
and this was the
movie that he chose.
1375
01:04:27,830 --> 01:04:32,869
It was a 10-year-old French
film about the Irish Rebellion.
1376
01:04:32,935 --> 01:04:35,638
It was completely
unobjectionable.
1377
01:04:35,705 --> 01:04:40,476
It had nothing in it that any
censor board would object to.
1378
01:04:40,543 --> 01:04:42,879
And I think that's one
of the reasons perhaps
1379
01:04:42,945 --> 01:04:45,848
that it was chosen
by Ronald Freedman
1380
01:04:45,915 --> 01:04:48,417
as something that he
would intentionally
1381
01:04:48,484 --> 01:04:50,419
not submit to the Maryland board
1382
01:04:50,486 --> 01:04:53,923
as a test of Maryland's
censorship statute.
1383
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:55,858
So when he started
showing the film,
1384
01:04:55,925 --> 01:04:58,127
he called the censor board and
said this is what I'm doing,
1385
01:04:58,194 --> 01:05:00,863
come and get me,
come and arrest me.
1386
01:05:00,930 --> 01:05:02,465
And that's exactly
what they did.
1387
01:05:02,531 --> 01:05:06,302
When he was arrested and
led away from the theater,
1388
01:05:06,369 --> 01:05:07,837
purportedly in handcuffs,
1389
01:05:07,904 --> 01:05:13,309
he instructed his theater
manager to re-sign the marquee
1390
01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:17,480
to say Fight for
Freedom of the Screen.
1391
01:05:18,414 --> 01:05:20,583
Freedman of course
got his day in court
1392
01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:26,055
and lost at the two rounds
in the Maryland state courts,
1393
01:05:26,756 --> 01:05:28,658
and then petitioned for hearing
1394
01:05:28,724 --> 01:05:30,326
before the U.S. Supreme Court.
1395
01:05:30,393 --> 01:05:33,629
And the Court agreed to
hear the case in 1965.
1396
01:05:33,696 --> 01:05:35,531
- [Felix] The appellant
Ronald Freeman is a lessee
1397
01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:39,435
of a motion picture theater
located in Baltimore.
1398
01:05:39,502 --> 01:05:43,306
He is on principal unsympathetic
to the idea of censorship.
1399
01:05:43,372 --> 01:05:46,108
And I may add, he's had a series
of disputes with the board
1400
01:05:46,175 --> 01:05:49,178
in which he's always
come out on top.
1401
01:05:50,146 --> 01:05:53,482
He's always disputed the
discretionary authority
1402
01:05:53,549 --> 01:05:54,650
of the board.
1403
01:05:54,717 --> 01:05:57,420
- [Laura] What Freedman and the
other anti-censorites wanted
1404
01:05:57,486 --> 01:06:00,289
was to get the Supreme
Court to finally put teeth
1405
01:06:00,356 --> 01:06:04,493
into its 1952 pronouncement
in Burstyn vs. Wilson
1406
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,496
that the censors had to
bear the heavy burden
1407
01:06:07,563 --> 01:06:10,666
of proving that a film was
too dangerous to be seen.
1408
01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:14,036
And that's just what
the Court now ordered.
1409
01:06:14,103 --> 01:06:17,139
That's a major shift
from what had gone on
1410
01:06:17,206 --> 01:06:20,276
in censorship before, that
kind of prior restraint
1411
01:06:20,343 --> 01:06:22,078
that kept movies
from being seen.
1412
01:06:22,144 --> 01:06:24,580
The Freedman case was
very closely watched
1413
01:06:24,647 --> 01:06:25,648
by anti-censorites.
1414
01:06:25,715 --> 01:06:29,485
It was a major change in
the way film censorship
1415
01:06:29,552 --> 01:06:31,487
was going to occur
in the United States.
1416
01:06:31,554 --> 01:06:36,092
And Maryland's attorney general
Thomas J. Finan called it--
1417
01:06:36,158 --> 01:06:38,694
- [Finan] The Armageddon
of censorship.
1418
01:06:38,761 --> 01:06:44,133
Because it is obvious what
Freedman has done in this case.
1419
01:06:45,101 --> 01:06:47,136
- [Laura] And that may
sound like hyperbole,
1420
01:06:47,203 --> 01:06:49,805
but actually, in
hindsight, he was correct.
1421
01:06:49,872 --> 01:06:52,975
The great irony of all of
this is that the one state
1422
01:06:53,042 --> 01:06:57,880
that did rewrite its law in
order to conform was Maryland.
1423
01:06:57,947 --> 01:07:00,583
And they did it in
just three days.
1424
01:07:00,649 --> 01:07:03,352
They wrote it so well
that it withstood
1425
01:07:03,419 --> 01:07:07,623
any constitutional
scrutiny for 15 more years.
1426
01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:10,393
- [Freedman] We were
momentarily jubilant
1427
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:15,264
in that for a moment or so
this censor board had gone.
1428
01:07:15,331 --> 01:07:20,102
Today I still believe
in what I did,
1429
01:07:20,169 --> 01:07:22,304
I still believe in
freedom of speech.
1430
01:07:22,371 --> 01:07:24,240
- Freedman vs.
Maryland for my father
1431
01:07:24,306 --> 01:07:26,042
was ultimately a
pyrrhic victory.
1432
01:07:26,108 --> 01:07:28,044
He always used to say
that this one thing
1433
01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:29,445
that he was most well-known for,
1434
01:07:29,512 --> 01:07:30,813
it never really
worked out for him
1435
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,582
because although it freed
states and exhibitors
1436
01:07:33,649 --> 01:07:36,652
across the nation, my
father was hamstrung.
1437
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:40,589
He was never able to profit
from his struggles, so to say.
1438
01:07:40,656 --> 01:07:43,125
(sighs)
1439
01:07:43,192 --> 01:07:45,061
- I didn't have to take
any of my early films
1440
01:07:45,127 --> 01:07:46,462
to the censor board.
1441
01:07:46,529 --> 01:07:48,964
Well, I purposely showed them
in churches and universities
1442
01:07:49,031 --> 01:07:50,099
for many reasons.
1443
01:07:50,166 --> 01:07:51,467
Theaters wouldn't
have played them then.
1444
01:07:51,534 --> 01:07:54,503
And at the same time,
yes, I did think,
1445
01:07:54,570 --> 01:07:56,238
never thought that they
would bust a church,
1446
01:07:56,305 --> 01:07:57,440
and I was correct.
1447
01:07:57,506 --> 01:07:58,641
Only thing was, if
they saw the movie,
1448
01:07:58,707 --> 01:08:00,242
they would try to
bust the church.
1449
01:08:00,309 --> 01:08:01,811
They just didn't
imagine that the church
1450
01:08:01,877 --> 01:08:03,446
would have ever screened
a movie like that.
1451
01:08:03,512 --> 01:08:05,281
That was the issue, I think.
1452
01:08:05,347 --> 01:08:07,683
Pink Flamingos opened at
University of Baltimore.
1453
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:09,418
It played everything,
everything.
1454
01:08:09,485 --> 01:08:10,619
Huge write-ups and everything,
1455
01:08:10,686 --> 01:08:13,089
they didn't do anything
about it, until it was,
1456
01:08:13,155 --> 01:08:16,592
then two years later it opened
in New York at the Elgin,
1457
01:08:16,659 --> 01:08:19,328
and then it went to theaters,
real theaters, right?
1458
01:08:19,395 --> 01:08:20,396
And it played at the Charles.
1459
01:08:20,463 --> 01:08:22,131
And then they had to screen it.
1460
01:08:22,198 --> 01:08:23,599
And then they cut,
as far as I remember,
1461
01:08:23,666 --> 01:08:28,838
they cut the blow job and
the chicken fuck, I think,
1462
01:08:29,738 --> 01:08:31,507
and also maybe the
artificial insemination,
1463
01:08:31,574 --> 01:08:33,742
but left in the eating
dog shit, 'cause she said,
1464
01:08:33,809 --> 01:08:35,678
"I shoulda cut that dog
doodie, I shoulda, I shoulda."
1465
01:08:35,744 --> 01:08:38,948
♪ How much is that
doggie in the window ♪
1466
01:08:39,014 --> 01:08:40,316
(dog barks)
1467
01:08:40,382 --> 01:08:43,018
♪ I do hope that doggie--
1468
01:08:43,085 --> 01:08:46,388
(audio distorts)
1469
01:08:46,455 --> 01:08:47,890
I remember the projectionist
1470
01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:50,960
who seemed like a character
out of one of my movies.
1471
01:08:51,026 --> 01:08:53,496
'Cause he got to look at every
dirty movie that ever came.
1472
01:08:53,562 --> 01:08:55,931
I sat right there while
she was watching the movie.
1473
01:08:55,998 --> 01:08:58,501
And she would yell "rear
entry" and that kind of stuff.
1474
01:08:58,567 --> 01:09:01,270
And she was yelling rear
entry about other movies,
1475
01:09:01,337 --> 01:09:02,872
it wasn't just mine,
there was three playing.
1476
01:09:02,938 --> 01:09:03,973
So I was shocked at that.
1477
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:05,608
There was no dialogue.
1478
01:09:05,674 --> 01:09:08,377
So how could she say
"judged as a whole,"
1479
01:09:08,444 --> 01:09:09,578
which the censors would,
1480
01:09:09,645 --> 01:09:10,913
'cause she didn't know
what they were about.
1481
01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:12,214
She didn't listen to dialogue.
1482
01:09:12,281 --> 01:09:15,217
Female Trouble, I went
in with that movie.
1483
01:09:15,284 --> 01:09:16,886
And she was waiting for me,
1484
01:09:16,952 --> 01:09:19,355
because we had had
Pink Flamingos, which
was a nightmare.
1485
01:09:19,421 --> 01:09:20,756
(burlesque music)
1486
01:09:20,823 --> 01:09:23,092
And a perfect print I'd
just spent my last penny on,
1487
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,127
and she looked at
it and she said,
1488
01:09:25,194 --> 01:09:26,362
"You can't have this vaginy,"
1489
01:09:26,428 --> 01:09:28,197
and I said, "Well, that's a man.
1490
01:09:28,264 --> 01:09:29,064
"That's Divine.
1491
01:09:29,131 --> 01:09:30,466
"That's not a vagina.
1492
01:09:30,533 --> 01:09:32,701
"It's a cheater if you'd like
to know the real term for it."
1493
01:09:32,768 --> 01:09:34,336
And she said, "Don't
tell me about sex,
1494
01:09:34,403 --> 01:09:35,704
"I was married to an Italian."
1495
01:09:35,771 --> 01:09:37,673
I stole her line
and used it later.
1496
01:09:37,740 --> 01:09:39,775
- These are isolated incidents.
1497
01:09:39,842 --> 01:09:41,377
- No, they're not.
1498
01:09:41,443 --> 01:09:44,880
Look, I'm not a prude,
I'm married to an Italian.
1499
01:09:44,947 --> 01:09:46,749
But I am disgusted.
1500
01:09:46,815 --> 01:09:48,717
- Then she handed me
a pair of scissors,
1501
01:09:48,784 --> 01:09:52,221
and I had to cut and ruin
a big job of splicing
1502
01:09:52,288 --> 01:09:54,857
in my brand new
35-millimeter print
1503
01:09:54,924 --> 01:09:57,626
that was a huge expense
for me at the time, right?
1504
01:09:57,693 --> 01:09:59,495
And cut it in front of her,
1505
01:09:59,562 --> 01:10:03,399
and she gave me this
ridiculous seal, which I have.
1506
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:09,805
♪ Maybe I'm twisted
1507
01:10:10,406 --> 01:10:15,411
♪ Female trouble
1508
01:10:16,612 --> 01:10:19,048
♪ They say I'm insane
1509
01:10:19,114 --> 01:10:21,817
♪ But I don't care
1510
01:10:21,884 --> 01:10:27,289
♪ Go ahead, put me in
your electric chair ♪
1511
01:10:28,591 --> 01:10:32,394
- They have a new
anti-pornography
law in Baltimore,
1512
01:10:32,461 --> 01:10:37,633
and it classifies bare
bottoms as pornography.
1513
01:10:38,834 --> 01:10:39,735
The bare buttocks, that's
what they're called, right?
1514
01:10:39,802 --> 01:10:40,736
- [Ed] Yes.
1515
01:10:40,803 --> 01:10:43,105
- That's considered
obscene or pornographic.
1516
01:10:43,172 --> 01:10:45,507
And they took Playboy magazine,
1517
01:10:45,574 --> 01:10:46,942
and a lot of people are uptight,
1518
01:10:47,009 --> 01:10:48,744
they are saying that even
outdoor advertisements,
1519
01:10:48,811 --> 01:10:51,347
you've seen those
ads, the infants ads?
1520
01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:52,214
- [Ed] Sure, sunburn ads?
1521
01:10:52,281 --> 01:10:53,349
- Yes.
1522
01:10:53,415 --> 01:10:54,283
That is now--
1523
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:55,451
- [Ed] Taboo?
1524
01:10:55,517 --> 01:10:56,885
- The chief of police
is running around
1525
01:10:56,952 --> 01:10:58,287
putting raincoats up over
the (obscured by laughter).
1526
01:10:59,421 --> 01:11:00,623
You gonna get 90 days
for showing baby pictures
1527
01:11:00,689 --> 01:11:02,458
in the office, do
you realize that?
1528
01:11:02,524 --> 01:11:03,425
Do you think that's
going a little far?
1529
01:11:03,492 --> 01:11:04,793
- [Ed] Yes, that's too far.
1530
01:11:04,860 --> 01:11:08,030
- You know, the double X
and triple X hardcore movies
1531
01:11:08,097 --> 01:11:13,502
started coming in, maybe '72,
'73, '74, about that time.
1532
01:11:14,203 --> 01:11:15,137
There was a market for them.
1533
01:11:15,204 --> 01:11:19,675
People were reacting to
decades of suppression.
1534
01:11:19,742 --> 01:11:22,411
- [Announcer] Across the
country, movie theaters today
1535
01:11:22,478 --> 01:11:25,281
are playing softcore
and hardcore pornography
1536
01:11:25,347 --> 01:11:28,083
to virtually standing
room only audiences.
1537
01:11:28,150 --> 01:11:29,551
(jazzy music)
1538
01:11:29,618 --> 01:11:31,754
Theater marquees everywhere
are graphic proof
1539
01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:34,990
of the variety of
sexual subject matter.
1540
01:11:35,057 --> 01:11:38,060
♪ It's such a shame
1541
01:11:38,127 --> 01:11:41,430
♪ She's not to blame
1542
01:11:46,502 --> 01:11:48,404
(sporty music)
1543
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:50,072
- One, two, three, four,
1544
01:11:50,139 --> 01:11:52,308
We're gonna make them
(obscured by music)
1545
01:11:52,374 --> 01:11:54,343
Five, six, seven, eight,
1546
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:56,445
We're gonna make
them say we're great!
1547
01:11:56,512 --> 01:11:58,914
(cheering)
1548
01:12:05,921 --> 01:12:08,357
- So can you imagine
how much porn
1549
01:12:08,424 --> 01:12:10,459
Mary Avara must have
had to sit through
1550
01:12:10,526 --> 01:12:13,462
in the last 10 years of her job?
1551
01:12:13,529 --> 01:12:17,499
You know, she may have
thought it was porn,
1552
01:12:17,566 --> 01:12:22,771
but it was very softcore
from what's available today.
1553
01:12:23,939 --> 01:12:26,675
So I'm not sure how
much she suffered,
1554
01:12:26,742 --> 01:12:30,145
but if I had to guess, I
would guess that occasionally
1555
01:12:30,212 --> 01:12:31,447
she was titillated.
1556
01:12:31,513 --> 01:12:34,416
(intense music)
1557
01:12:40,756 --> 01:12:42,391
- Your Sickness, we have
captured the Earth people
1558
01:12:42,458 --> 01:12:44,326
and await your command.
1559
01:12:44,393 --> 01:12:46,528
- The Earth people, eh?
1560
01:12:49,131 --> 01:12:52,067
Bring them to me at once.
1561
01:12:52,134 --> 01:12:53,569
(indistinct shouting)
1562
01:12:53,635 --> 01:12:57,439
- Probably read like a chapter
out of Dante's Inferno.
1563
01:12:58,607 --> 01:13:00,509
Like all of a sudden, you
talk about these things
1564
01:13:00,576 --> 01:13:03,746
and they're actually
there in front of you.
1565
01:13:04,780 --> 01:13:06,215
It must've been hell for her.
1566
01:13:06,281 --> 01:13:08,751
- [Robert] One of the,
the classic case I guess
1567
01:13:08,817 --> 01:13:10,886
is the Deep Throat case.
1568
01:13:10,953 --> 01:13:15,624
That was playing at the
theater on North Avenue.
1569
01:13:15,691 --> 01:13:17,826
- I would imagine that
the Maryland censor board
1570
01:13:17,893 --> 01:13:22,030
with a film like Deep
Throat was thinking
1571
01:13:22,097 --> 01:13:24,066
we don't need anything
more than this film
1572
01:13:24,133 --> 01:13:27,736
to show the judges because
of what the movie was about
1573
01:13:27,803 --> 01:13:31,874
and because it was
as extreme as it was.
1574
01:13:31,940 --> 01:13:33,041
And it worked.
1575
01:13:33,108 --> 01:13:37,346
- [Robert] The censor board
kept saying you can't show this.
1576
01:13:37,413 --> 01:13:38,614
They kept showing it.
1577
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,417
Police would come and
confiscate the film,
1578
01:13:41,483 --> 01:13:43,952
and I guess as
police were leaving,
1579
01:13:44,019 --> 01:13:46,755
they would have another
copy of the same film
1580
01:13:46,822 --> 01:13:48,123
and keep showing it.
1581
01:13:48,190 --> 01:13:50,125
I don't know how many times
they went through this.
1582
01:13:50,192 --> 01:13:51,126
- I had seen Deep Throat,
1583
01:13:51,193 --> 01:13:54,463
but I went out of a
moral support for it
1584
01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:55,864
and paid to see it.
1585
01:13:55,931 --> 01:13:59,968
Before that, there was a
gay hardcore porn theater,
1586
01:14:00,035 --> 01:14:03,405
and they showed
hardcore gay films,
1587
01:14:03,472 --> 01:14:05,507
which she of course
went insane about,
1588
01:14:05,574 --> 01:14:06,842
shot them down.
1589
01:14:06,909 --> 01:14:08,210
She should've gone
to the theater then,
1590
01:14:08,277 --> 01:14:10,379
'cause there was some
hardcore sex in the theater
1591
01:14:10,446 --> 01:14:11,613
and on the screen.
1592
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,149
But I think she busted those.
1593
01:14:14,216 --> 01:14:17,519
But her thing was
way before hardcore.
1594
01:14:17,586 --> 01:14:19,521
I mean, of course
she busted hardcore.
1595
01:14:19,588 --> 01:14:21,757
But by the time that was
out was her last days.
1596
01:14:21,824 --> 01:14:24,193
I mean, you know, she lost.
1597
01:14:24,259 --> 01:14:27,496
(bright funky music)
1598
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:30,999
- Maryland has the only
movie censorship board
1599
01:14:31,066 --> 01:14:34,536
left in America, and no film
can be shown in the state
1600
01:14:34,603 --> 01:14:35,971
without its approval.
1601
01:14:36,038 --> 01:14:39,341
It refused to approve a movie
called I Am Curious-Yellow,
1602
01:14:39,408 --> 01:14:43,178
not because it's one of the
most boring movies ever made,
1603
01:14:43,245 --> 01:14:46,114
but because the censors
found it pornographic.
1604
01:14:46,181 --> 01:14:49,685
Today, the Supreme Court let
the board's ruling stand.
1605
01:14:49,751 --> 01:14:52,287
The members are three
middle-aged ladies
1606
01:14:52,354 --> 01:14:54,022
who look at movies all day.
1607
01:14:54,089 --> 01:14:56,458
And they have no
power to censor a film
1608
01:14:56,525 --> 01:14:59,328
of savagery, bloodshed,
or brutality,
1609
01:14:59,394 --> 01:15:01,230
no power to censor any words.
1610
01:15:01,296 --> 01:15:05,267
They can only censor pictures
they find pornographic.
1611
01:15:05,334 --> 01:15:07,970
(tinny music)
1612
01:15:08,036 --> 01:15:09,771
- I look at these films
and see all the sex
1613
01:15:09,838 --> 01:15:11,874
and the way it's
being performed today,
1614
01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:14,710
and they can tell me that
that doesn't arouse them.
1615
01:15:14,776 --> 01:15:17,279
As I repeat before, they
ought to go see a doctor.
1616
01:15:17,346 --> 01:15:18,447
Something's wrong with them.
1617
01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:21,783
Because the type of sex
that's being portrayed today
1618
01:15:21,850 --> 01:15:24,453
on the screen is
absolutely sickening.
1619
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,321
And it does incite crime.
1620
01:15:26,388 --> 01:15:27,589
Definitely so.
1621
01:15:27,656 --> 01:15:29,725
- As far as I know we
could not do anything
1622
01:15:29,791 --> 01:15:31,426
about violence legally.
1623
01:15:31,493 --> 01:15:34,229
I saw a great deal of violence.
1624
01:15:34,296 --> 01:15:37,733
Violence according to my
interpretation of violence,
1625
01:15:37,799 --> 01:15:39,668
which may be very different
1626
01:15:39,735 --> 01:15:42,371
from someone else's
interpretation of violence,
1627
01:15:42,437 --> 01:15:46,174
but it was not in our purview
to do anything about violence.
1628
01:15:46,241 --> 01:15:49,811
- I felt like there
would be bills introduced
1629
01:15:49,878 --> 01:15:52,648
concerning violence,
drugs, and dialogue
1630
01:15:52,714 --> 01:15:56,752
because the public has
called in reference
1631
01:15:56,818 --> 01:15:59,521
to those three, plus the sex,
1632
01:15:59,588 --> 01:16:02,057
and there isn't one
bill in legislature
1633
01:16:02,124 --> 01:16:04,059
concerning any three of these.
1634
01:16:05,227 --> 01:16:07,129
- [Reporter] Now your censor
board concerns only with sex,
1635
01:16:07,195 --> 01:16:08,196
is that correct?
1636
01:16:08,263 --> 01:16:09,197
- That's right.
1637
01:16:09,264 --> 01:16:11,333
And we don't have
much to work with,
1638
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,669
but I feel like if they
don't give me any teeth,
1639
01:16:13,735 --> 01:16:15,037
they should abolish the board.
1640
01:16:15,103 --> 01:16:19,675
But I am absolutely not worried
one bit, nothing whatsoever.
1641
01:16:19,741 --> 01:16:21,810
- As far as Maryland
was concerned
1642
01:16:21,877 --> 01:16:25,113
with our Motion
Picture Censor Board,
1643
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:28,550
it was almost a
game in Annapolis.
1644
01:16:28,617 --> 01:16:31,954
Those of us who were against
censorship knew it was absurd.
1645
01:16:32,020 --> 01:16:34,222
- [Laura] The only thing
that keeps this board going
1646
01:16:34,289 --> 01:16:35,891
is pure politics.
1647
01:16:35,958 --> 01:16:38,527
The politics of Baltimore city.
1648
01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:42,197
Votes to abolish the board
were apparently very close
1649
01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:45,901
in the late 1970s, and it
seems that the compromise
1650
01:16:45,968 --> 01:16:47,936
was to just leave it alone.
1651
01:16:48,003 --> 01:16:49,871
- [Julian] Part of it
was I think a game,
1652
01:16:49,938 --> 01:16:54,776
and even though we knew it
wasn't the greatest thing
1653
01:16:54,843 --> 01:16:56,979
to have Maryland,
the Free State,
1654
01:16:57,045 --> 01:17:01,683
recognized as the only state
that still had a censor board.
1655
01:17:01,750 --> 01:17:03,151
So there was certainly
an anachronism there.
1656
01:17:03,218 --> 01:17:06,488
- I believe that we should
have a strong obscenity statute
1657
01:17:06,555 --> 01:17:09,858
which is enforced by law
enforcement authorities,
1658
01:17:09,925 --> 01:17:12,694
not by a bunch of
quasi-vigilantes
1659
01:17:12,761 --> 01:17:14,129
who are paid to
watch dirty movies.
1660
01:17:14,196 --> 01:17:15,797
We're the only state
in the United States
1661
01:17:15,864 --> 01:17:17,132
that has a censor board.
1662
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:20,002
I believe it's a
political boondoggle.
1663
01:17:20,068 --> 01:17:23,138
It serves no useful purpose,
and it ought to be abolished.
1664
01:17:23,205 --> 01:17:25,040
- The bill that passed
the Senate last night
1665
01:17:25,107 --> 01:17:28,610
does not alter the budget
of $69,000 earmarked for
1666
01:17:28,677 --> 01:17:30,278
the Maryland censor board.
1667
01:17:30,345 --> 01:17:32,080
That measure now
goes on to the House,
1668
01:17:32,147 --> 01:17:35,050
though sources say that its
future is in some jeopardy.
1669
01:17:35,117 --> 01:17:38,120
I'm Bryce Wick reporting
for News Watch Two.
1670
01:17:38,186 --> 01:17:41,657
- Maryland was the last
state to have a censor board.
1671
01:17:41,723 --> 01:17:45,227
And that was the time when I
came to the Maryland Senate.
1672
01:17:45,293 --> 01:17:49,865
I actually pre-filed a bill
in 1977, my first year there.
1673
01:17:49,931 --> 01:17:51,133
And so on the first
day of the session,
1674
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:54,703
the bill was introduced,
Senate Bill 333.
1675
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:57,806
And after several
years, what happened was
1676
01:17:57,873 --> 01:17:59,608
that under the
Sunset Provisions,
1677
01:17:59,675 --> 01:18:03,578
which we have in place to
reevaluate programs periodically
1678
01:18:03,645 --> 01:18:06,214
to make sure that you don't
have programs in perpetuity,
1679
01:18:06,281 --> 01:18:08,750
they had to come back
to the legislature
1680
01:18:08,817 --> 01:18:10,619
and to justify their existence.
1681
01:18:10,686 --> 01:18:12,821
How could they justify
their existence?
1682
01:18:12,888 --> 01:18:14,656
Number of movies seen?
1683
01:18:14,723 --> 01:18:16,458
Number of movies censored?
1684
01:18:16,525 --> 01:18:18,393
The quality of Maryland morals
1685
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:22,230
as compared to any other
city or state in the country?
1686
01:18:22,297 --> 01:18:24,566
So they couldn't
justify their existence.
1687
01:18:24,633 --> 01:18:28,370
Eventually I think by raising
the issue year after year
1688
01:18:28,437 --> 01:18:30,505
and having these hearings
one after another,
1689
01:18:30,572 --> 01:18:32,908
the people came to see
that the censor board
1690
01:18:32,974 --> 01:18:34,910
was a ludicrous institution.
1691
01:18:34,976 --> 01:18:38,346
- [Julian] One thing that
perhaps continued it,
1692
01:18:38,413 --> 01:18:42,117
Jack Valenti had had
a wonderful building
1693
01:18:42,184 --> 01:18:44,453
in downtown Washington and
would invite the committee
1694
01:18:44,519 --> 01:18:48,457
and members to see not films
that needed censorship,
1695
01:18:48,523 --> 01:18:50,459
like Goldfinger, he
would always come out
1696
01:18:50,525 --> 01:18:53,995
with cocktails and dinner
and a private screening.
1697
01:18:54,062 --> 01:18:56,832
And it was just really fun
to be invited once a year
1698
01:18:56,898 --> 01:18:58,967
for this lavish do.
1699
01:18:59,034 --> 01:19:01,002
So that may have been
one of the reasons why
1700
01:19:01,069 --> 01:19:03,638
we continued the
censorship board too,
1701
01:19:03,705 --> 01:19:05,273
because we were the only state
1702
01:19:05,340 --> 01:19:08,143
and we were constantly lobbied,
1703
01:19:08,210 --> 01:19:10,912
and that may have
prolonged its life as well.
1704
01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:12,114
I really don't know.
1705
01:19:12,180 --> 01:19:14,082
- [Barbara] We
knew from the time
1706
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:16,218
that I took the appointment
1707
01:19:16,284 --> 01:19:19,054
that sunsetting out
the censor board
1708
01:19:19,121 --> 01:19:22,457
was what was probably
going to happen.
1709
01:19:22,524 --> 01:19:23,592
- The Maryland censor board,
1710
01:19:23,658 --> 01:19:25,927
the last state movie
censor board in the nation,
1711
01:19:25,994 --> 01:19:27,329
went out of business today
1712
01:19:27,395 --> 01:19:31,199
after reviewing more than
40,000 films since 1916.
1713
01:19:31,266 --> 01:19:33,769
Its demise was blamed
on cultural change
1714
01:19:33,835 --> 01:19:35,437
and diminished
political influence.
1715
01:19:35,504 --> 01:19:37,773
One film inspector
for the group said,
1716
01:19:37,839 --> 01:19:39,441
"I was in a movie
theater just last night
1717
01:19:39,508 --> 01:19:41,610
"and saw a Deep
Throat type of movie,
1718
01:19:41,676 --> 01:19:44,279
"but I just couldn't bring
myself to make a bust.
1719
01:19:44,346 --> 01:19:46,548
"Who wants to spend the
summer in a hot courtroom?"
1720
01:19:46,615 --> 01:19:48,617
- [Julian] That was it,
they went out of business.
1721
01:19:48,683 --> 01:19:49,851
(soft piano music)
1722
01:19:49,918 --> 01:19:51,486
I didn't hear any cheering.
1723
01:19:51,553 --> 01:19:54,322
I don't think people
really cared by that time.
1724
01:19:54,389 --> 01:19:56,491
It had become
irrelevant I think.
1725
01:19:58,026 --> 01:19:59,361
(projector clicks and whirs)
1726
01:19:59,427 --> 01:20:00,896
- [Howard] The lesson of
the history of censorship
1727
01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:02,297
is that it doesn't work.
1728
01:20:03,231 --> 01:20:06,868
That you really
cannot censor ideas
1729
01:20:06,935 --> 01:20:08,970
and you cannot censor art.
1730
01:20:09,037 --> 01:20:12,641
Art will have a way
of expressing itself,
1731
01:20:12,707 --> 01:20:16,778
and if it is striking a
responsive chord with people,
1732
01:20:16,845 --> 01:20:19,381
it will be received,
and well-received.
1733
01:20:19,447 --> 01:20:21,983
The lasting impression
of the censor board
1734
01:20:22,050 --> 01:20:24,886
is that it held
Maryland up to ridicule.
1735
01:20:24,953 --> 01:20:28,890
And I think it was
a negative mark
1736
01:20:28,957 --> 01:20:30,091
on the state of Maryland,
1737
01:20:30,158 --> 01:20:31,259
which is one of the reasons why
1738
01:20:31,326 --> 01:20:34,596
I thought it was so
important to abolish it.
1739
01:20:34,663 --> 01:20:35,797
(film runs out of projector)
1740
01:20:35,864 --> 01:20:38,466
- [Julian] There should be no
movie censors in a democracy,
1741
01:20:38,533 --> 01:20:41,937
and in our democracy
censorship is not something
1742
01:20:42,003 --> 01:20:43,305
that we should be proud of.
1743
01:20:43,371 --> 01:20:46,241
- [Barbara] I was happy
to see it sunsetted out.
1744
01:20:46,308 --> 01:20:49,377
If you look back
now, you say, really?
1745
01:20:49,444 --> 01:20:52,881
There really was a state
board of censors of movies?
1746
01:20:52,948 --> 01:20:54,783
- [Ross] I felt then
and I still feel now
1747
01:20:54,850 --> 01:20:57,185
the censor board
was a laughingstock
1748
01:20:57,252 --> 01:20:59,988
and an assault on common sense.
1749
01:21:00,055 --> 01:21:02,057
I believe in freedom
of expression
1750
01:21:02,123 --> 01:21:04,426
and a free people should decide
1751
01:21:04,492 --> 01:21:08,163
what standards they seek
to apply for themselves
1752
01:21:08,230 --> 01:21:10,098
and their children
and their families
1753
01:21:10,165 --> 01:21:13,001
to movies or any other
form of artistic endeavor.
1754
01:21:13,068 --> 01:21:14,736
- I don't think
censorship should be done
1755
01:21:14,803 --> 01:21:16,504
by the industry
or the government.
1756
01:21:16,571 --> 01:21:18,607
Censorship should be
done by the public,
1757
01:21:18,673 --> 01:21:20,342
by not going to see it.
1758
01:21:20,408 --> 01:21:22,944
That's the censorship
that counts.
1759
01:21:23,011 --> 01:21:25,914
You don't go, and it'll die.
1760
01:21:25,981 --> 01:21:29,351
(upbeat musical chanting)
1761
01:21:29,417 --> 01:21:33,622
("A No No" by Danielson Famile)
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