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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,520 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:07,160 From the moment it first fell on alarmed, old ears, 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,120 it was clear that rock and roll was a young person's game. 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:16,960 Music made by young people for young people that never intended to grow up or grow old. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,880 And yet, it did. 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:25,240 So what happened as the music refused to die, and its performers refused to leave the stage? 7 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:30,440 What happens when rock's youthful rebelliousness is delivered wrapped in wrinkles? 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,200 These are the stories of Britain's first rock and roll generations 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,400 and their struggle to stay forever young. 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,240 You know I'm born to lose And gambling's for fools 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,120 But that's the way I like it, baby I don't want to live forever... 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,200 The secret of longevity is not dying. 13 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:00,720 It's easy, really. You know, just keep breathing at all times. 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,920 Look at Keith. Dear old Keith. 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,160 He looks like he's been dead for 40 years. Do you know what I mean? 16 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,720 But everybody loves him. They say, 17 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,120 "Is he still alive?" 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,840 "Yeah." "Is he alive now?" 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,080 "I'm not sure." 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,160 When I walk on stage and I still put the capes on and I go out, 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,840 age suddenly goes out the window. 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,280 I am not 60 years old anymore. 23 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,680 Admittedly, when I come off, it's slightly different. 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,640 I don't go to a party, I normally go back to my hotel room 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,280 and order a hot chocolate and watch the late night movie. 26 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,800 I had a pair of leather trousers. I called them rubber trousers. 27 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,000 And I wore them for the first time as a joke 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,280 because I thought it was really amusing, this 50-year-old guy 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,160 wearing leather trousers and I got all embarrassed. 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,120 It probably looks like I think I'm a bit of a rock sausage guy. 31 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,320 And they were...got rid of. 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Now I go out there in sensible clothes. 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,760 We are the first generation who I think has cocked a snook at age. 34 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,800 We have carried on being the oldest swingers in town 35 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,800 and none of us are showing any signs 36 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,000 of wanting to not go to rock concerts, 37 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:31,440 not want to stay up all night, not want to take a lot of recreational drugs if we feel like it. 38 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,400 We want to rock out but we've all got weak bladders now, 39 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,400 so we don't want to be stuck in a long queue for the toilets like it was back in the 70s or 60s. 40 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,320 People try to put us d-down 41 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,840 Talkin' 'bout my generation 42 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,840 - Just because we get around - Talkin' 'bout my generation 43 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,640 Things they do look awful c-cold 44 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:55,600 Talkin' 'bout my generation 45 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,960 I hope I die before I get old... 46 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,480 If the world wants them to come and sing, 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,720 "I hope I die before I get old", 48 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,080 35 years after they first recorded it, 49 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,800 I think Pete Townshend is more than happy to do so 50 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,880 and have a bunch of fans screaming, "Pete". 51 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,280 - Why don't you all f-fade away? - Talkin' 'bout my generation 52 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,400 Don't try and dig what we all say... 53 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,200 They were actually saying, "Hope I die before I get old". 54 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Not trying to cause a b-b-big sensation 55 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,920 Talkin' 'bout my generation 56 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,160 Talkin' 'bout my g-g-g-generation. 57 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Guys, you're old. What happened? 58 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:46,200 What happened started in the 50s, when an entirely new species emerged with its very own music. 59 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,000 They were called teenagers and their music was called rock and roll. 60 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,640 The jazz critic Brian Case once said 61 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:01,080 before teenagers, there was just this transition between boy and man 62 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,640 and he called it, Brian called it, junior man. 63 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:11,200 And there was suddenly a group called youth. 64 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,360 When you're between the age of 12 and 18, 65 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,520 that's where music in general is going to have its most powerful impact on you. 66 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:28,440 You're going through a rather treacherous path with puberty and post-adolescence. 67 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:35,280 The music that they latch onto, it represents who they are or who they want to be. 68 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,040 Pop music started a lot of things. 69 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,320 It's spurred that wonderful thing, which is the joy of every young person, of their 70 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:47,840 parents shouting up the stairs, "Turn that bloody racket down". 71 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,960 One of the social functions of rock has always been defiance of the older generation 72 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,760 and fencing off a particular kind of experience 73 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,080 that young people have for themselves. 74 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,200 Elvis certainly loved his mum, but... 75 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,400 his every gesture, his every note, 76 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,480 was all about social disenfranchisement and rebellion. 77 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,520 Here's this guy who wears weird clothes. 78 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,480 He wears pink and black, for heaven's sake, like a pimp. 79 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,360 Um...great. 80 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,880 I think what rock and roll invented was a teenager as an end in itself. 81 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,160 As a kind of final product. 82 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,880 As a flower of human life. 83 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,840 Some of these wild young flowers 84 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:34,040 were picked for rock and roll stardom 85 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,160 by a business now trading in youth. 86 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,160 You always heard these stories that people in English showbusiness were sort of discovered. 87 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,040 Someone was driving along in a car 88 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,520 and they saw this really good-looking kid on the side of the street and they said, 89 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,600 "Get in the car, I'll make you a star". 90 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,320 Well, none of my friends would have got in the car. 91 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,600 Unless they had really good sweets. 92 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,520 The man with the best sweets in town was impresario Larry Parnes, 93 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,800 who ran a stable of hopeful performers. 94 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,760 All you needed to gain entry was to be young, male and good looking. 95 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:16,880 Once in, Uncle Larry re-christened you for the new youth market. 96 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,920 Hello, Larry Parnes speaking. 97 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,920 Marty Wilde was Reggie Smith. 98 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,720 Vince Ego, Duffy Power, Billy Fury. 99 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,920 He wanted to change my name, would you believe, to Elmer Twitch. 100 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Honest. And I said, "I don't think so, Mr Parnes." 101 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,920 Thank you too, mate. 102 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,960 Well, that just about wraps it up, doesn't it? 103 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:44,560 Georgie Fame, Lance Fortune, Dickie Pride, 104 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,920 and if you saw them when you were a young, as I did, 105 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,640 they were the only musicians that could play rock in the country, the people that played with them. 106 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,720 They were all sort of handsome, pure-skinned guys that all the girls screamed at. 107 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,720 It was very much aimed at the girls. 108 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,280 The music wasn't taken seriously and it wasn't meant to last. 109 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:06,440 It was only the soundtrack to growing pains, 110 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,480 temporary and disposable, just like the people who made it. 111 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,800 The newspapers gave rock and roll, as it were, "We give this six months". 112 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,280 A hit or a miss? 113 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,080 There they are. They've said undoubtedly that it's a... 114 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,920 All right. Onto the next. 115 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:30,640 Nobody ever thought that the pop thing ever had more than, like, a quick innings. Like a short... 116 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,640 "We'll have a look at it and then we'll get rid of them." 117 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Do you think that you've got a good chance of being on stage still at 45, say? 118 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,480 I hope to. I don't know about my chances. 119 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,760 They probably thought, "This will last for a couple of years 120 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,200 "and then I'll go back on the coal". 121 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,640 I think Hank and I wanted desperately to have a career somehow. 122 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,280 Didn't know how. 123 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,240 We just wanted to be up there. 124 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,200 Hank was the first real, young, 125 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,200 talented, seriously talented, player 126 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:16,920 that came up with exciting, fresh stuff, solos and stuff, 127 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,440 and we were British, so we were the British rock and roll bit. 128 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,080 We started writing, Hank and I, at 16, which was really... 129 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,720 it was crap. But we were writing. 130 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,760 Like, I was 15 and I was in a band and we had a number one record 131 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:42,920 and I went to the bank and, you know, I thought, "I'll get a loan and maybe buy a car and everything". 132 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,760 "Well, what is your income for next year"? 133 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,840 "Income for...I don't know." "Next." 134 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,600 The grown-ups remained doubtful 135 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,200 that the Beatlemania gripping British youth in the early 60s 136 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,840 was a fever that would last. 137 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,280 Twist and shout 138 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,480 C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, baby... 139 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,520 Even The Beatles accepted the idea of their own in-built obsolescence. 140 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,800 There's a great interview with the Beatles around 1964 or 1965 141 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,600 where Lennon and McCartney are saying, "Well..." 142 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,680 Obviously we can't keep playing the same sort of music until we're about 40 143 00:09:26,680 --> 00:09:29,400 because when we're old men playing From Me To You, 144 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,880 nobody's going to want to know at all about that sort of thing. 145 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:39,760 "Another couple of years and then John and I will write songs for other people, younger people". 146 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:46,360 The new tyranny of youth meant that by 1963, The Shadows already seemed middle-aged. 147 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,400 By the time the Beatles came, we'd been going nearly five years then. 148 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:56,080 We were like the Rat Pack because we were in tuxedos, silk shoes, 149 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,600 frilly shirts, bow ties. 150 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,080 It was like Dean Martin on lead guitar, Frank singing. 151 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Whereas all the new stuff, the Beatles with their hair 152 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,800 and the funny collars, they were cool, they were young. 153 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,200 We were like, we were the establishment. 154 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,880 When the Manfreds formed, I was the youngest one in the group. 155 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,200 Manfred said, as we were rehearsing 156 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:29,640 in his terrifyingly cold flat in south-east London... 157 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,720 .."Man, we're going to be bigger than The Shadows". 158 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,320 And I thought, "Well, of course we are. 159 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,640 "Because they're old." 160 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,320 And of course, they were two years older than me. 161 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,040 And tonight, you would hear 162 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,160 The saddest song of the year 163 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:56,920 And you'd be mine once again come tomorrow. 164 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,440 In 1965, The Who recorded one of the ultimate anthems to youth. 165 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,360 One that damned growing up and growing old. 166 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,560 The young went on the offensive, claiming their territory through guitar, bass and drums. 167 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:25,000 With me, it was like, bam, OK. 168 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,720 You either like it or you don't. 169 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,520 Rock was full impact music 170 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,160 for young people who wanted to go out, have a good time, 171 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,520 have sex, spend a bit of money, 172 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:43,440 create tribes for themselves, whether it was the mods and the rockers, you name it. 173 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,800 They wanted music that related to their condition 174 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,720 and was on the cutting edge 175 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,160 of the youth experience in whatever era they lived through. 176 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,800 The older generation were still recovering from a world war and just wanted some peace and some quiet. 177 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,760 To the younger generation, old age just seemed boring. 178 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,280 Our image of it was our image of our parents and so that's what we thought age was, 179 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,080 a father who was coming up for retirement, 180 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,040 certainly by the middle-late 60s they would be retired. 181 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,680 The extent of their activity would be going fishing, pottering in the garden. 182 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:28,240 So, it was very much a kind of a life that had folded down 183 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,080 and had stopped being in any way innovative 184 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,040 and in any way full of changes. 185 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,680 I think the whole point about the baby boom generation 186 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:38,960 was that we made it up from the beginning 187 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,080 and we've been making it up ever since 188 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,760 and we've been pushing those barriers forward 189 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,240 and refusing to accept the idea of being old. 190 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,560 Hope I die before I get old. 191 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:53,680 How long do you think audiences are going to go on accepting this music that hasn't got any quality? 192 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,640 Don't you think people are going to suddenly come to the conclusion... 193 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,360 What has got quality in the pop business? 194 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,720 What's got quality in anything? It's just a matter of standard. 195 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,840 In the pop business, we're lucky that there are no standards, you know. 196 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,880 In My Generation, you wrote, "I hope I die before I get old". 197 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,560 - Do you in fact mean this? - Yes. 198 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:17,640 He wasn't saying that, "That is the case", he was saying that that is how young men feel. 199 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:24,040 He was reflecting a kind of new confidence in being young. 200 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:33,320 Ironically, the British beat boom of the mid-60s was, to a large extent, based on music that was already old. 201 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:40,080 Bands like The Stones, The Animals and Manfred Mann worshiped American blues of the 20s, 30s and 40s. 202 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,240 I'm in a mood, baby... 203 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:51,480 Their recording heroes were still alive, but were, by rock and roll's new standards, old men. 204 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,160 The first music I listened to was jazz 205 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:02,960 and then when I started to listen to blues, people were all mature. 206 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,240 Miles Davis was born in 1925. Charlie Parker, likewise. 207 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,840 Muddy Waters was born in 1914 or something. 208 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,040 I thought, "I don't care about young people, anyway." 209 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,600 Youth culture, youth movement, 210 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,680 youthful-isation of pop and all that, 211 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,600 has always been mostly complete shit. 212 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:35,040 It's just been about seizure and marketing of a folk movement 213 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:41,800 by the same old commercial and industrial forces that take anything 214 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:47,640 and try to just identify the most defenceless consumer. 215 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,400 I'll satisfy your every need 216 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:52,600 Every need... 217 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,320 The narcissistic rebelliousness of British rock and roll, 218 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,280 young, gifted and white, gathered speed with The Rolling Stones. 219 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,680 Let's spend the night together... 220 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,800 While The Who were busy burying the older generation, 221 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,000 The Stones were singing about finding their satisfaction in sex. 222 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,760 - Let's spend the night together. - Come on, baby. 223 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,240 'Obviously, you know, rock and roll, especially when you're a young band,' 224 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,840 there's a lot of testosterone flying around. 225 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,640 It has all those great sexual connotations. 226 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:35,000 Largely, the rock and roll myth has been built up around that sexual thing as well, which is very true. 227 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,840 I'm meeting audiences today that probably, 228 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,840 even with the help of Viagra, they're not going to be into sex, but they still love the music. 229 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:53,280 Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm 64? 230 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,760 The arrival of album culture in the late 60s 231 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,360 proved that rock and roll was now thinking more in the long term. 232 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,800 It didn't sound disposable any more. 233 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,040 It was growing up, just like the people who made it. 234 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:11,160 The Beatles' Sgt Pepper's album dared to imagine what life would be like at 64, 235 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,120 completely unthinkable for My Generation. 236 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,760 People did think Sgt Pepper was going to last. 237 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,240 They might not have thought that Beatles For Sale was going to last, 238 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,880 cos that was still a pop record, 239 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,320 but I think by the time they'd spent £13,000 recording Sgt Pepper's, 240 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,360 they weren't expecting that to be toast by Christmas. 241 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,480 It went serious. 242 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Quite a bit serious. 243 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,160 The 20-year-old experienced musicians 244 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,960 started to take things a bit seriously and think, "Where can we go, what's different?" 245 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Of course, it dragged along the kids as well, but only of a certain age. 246 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,720 People were able to... They were growing up with these bands 247 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,360 and they were able to sort of 248 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,600 appreciate a bit more depth lyrically and musically. 249 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:13,000 That her face at first just ghostly 250 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:18,280 Turned a whiter shade of pale. 251 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,600 I always did think that "Somebody is going to be listening to this 252 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,120 "in five years' time", you know, ten years' time. 253 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,200 If rock and roll was attempting to grow up, the grown ups weren't having it. 254 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,720 They're response to this more mature form of musical expression was just as parental. 255 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,920 These new, better educated kids on the block should still be seen but not heard. 256 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,840 Daddy had spoken. 257 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,600 I remember seeing the Pink Floyd when Syd Barrett was in the group being interviewed. 258 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,960 It was the only televised interview with Syd Barrett, in fact, 259 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,600 and Roger Waters is sitting next to him 260 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,480 and here's some crusty old kind of Swiss, 261 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,720 bad classical composer saying, "Well, it's all too loud. It's all too...I can't...". 262 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,400 For me, frankly, it's too loud. I just can't bear it. 263 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,000 I happen to have grown up in the string quartet, which is a bit softer. 264 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,000 So, why has it got to be so loud? 265 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,000 Just being totally condescending and they're sitting there 266 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,760 and they're trying to defend themselves at the same time. 267 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,880 I mean, everybody listens. We don't need it very loud to be able to hear it. 268 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,960 Some of it is very quiet, in fact. Personally, I like quiet music just as much as loud music. 269 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,240 The end of the 60s saw the beginning of the rock and roll casualty list. 270 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:48,160 The death of Brian Jones in 1969 seemed to crystallise a live fast, die young attitude, 271 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,000 and brought a new reality to, "Hope I die before I get old." 272 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:01,320 There has long been in human culture the tradition of sacrificing the young men. 273 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,680 It's a recurring theme. 274 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:09,240 Mozart, Jesus and Charlie Parker all died in their mid-thirties. 275 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,920 If you really want to be a rock star, die young, because then you've fulfilled your role. 276 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,000 Your only role was to be young. 277 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:26,320 Yeah, I was thinking of writing a song called 27 Forever 278 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:33,400 cos Jimi died when he was 27, Janis and Jim Morrison, you know. 279 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:34,680 that will be the chorus, 280 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,480 27 forever! 281 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:47,160 I tried living fast and dying young and it just didn't work. 282 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,280 The closest I got to death was on LSD and I realised it was the drug. 283 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,800 It wasn't real. 284 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,920 I was only living for the moment, that's for sure. 285 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,640 And, in fact, I had the youth ideology. I didn't expect to live long. 286 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,560 I didn't even learn to do anything properly. I couldn't see the point, 287 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,920 since I had no intention of living long enough to need to know anything very much. 288 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:21,040 The 1960s were a vertiginously steep learning curve for me. And I didn't get anything right. 289 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,120 In a way, I suppose people expected casualties at that point 290 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:38,200 because it still was a risky business, 291 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,560 even if you were only a risk to yourself. 292 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:48,040 When Syd Barrett had his LSD-induced breakdown, there hadn't been any LSD-induced breakdowns. 293 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,320 Even Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison, with all those people, 294 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,200 I feel like their demise was part of their trajectory. 295 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,880 They weren't cut off. 296 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,360 Basically, my youth was... 297 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:04,160 I consider it a failure as an event in itself. 298 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,720 I had to live longer to get anything done. 299 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,560 That's all I know. I had to live this long 300 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:18,360 in order to just to get every third or fourth track on every third or fourth record I make spot on. 301 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:23,040 You'll be different in the spring 302 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,000 I know you're a seasonal beast 303 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:34,480 Like the star fish that drift in with the tide 304 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,000 With the tide 305 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,480 So until your blood runs 306 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,440 To meet the next full moon 307 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,040 Your madness fits in nicely 308 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,720 With my own, with my own 309 00:21:53,720 --> 00:22:00,520 Your lunacy fits neatly with my own. 310 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:06,560 It's perfectly accepted for everyone, from poets to politicians, that they mature as they get older. 311 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,200 This is expected. 312 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,760 Especially in really important things like wine and brandy and...serious stuff. 313 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,680 The Stones themselves seemed determined to mature. 314 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,520 After the death of Brian Jones, they picked themselves up and went back on the road. 315 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,760 For the band, it wasn't over yet. 316 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,720 The Stones had been in serious decline at least three or four times, 317 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,240 where, musically, they've been at a dead end 318 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,520 and I don't know if it's Jagger or Richards or whoever, 319 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,200 but someone has picked them up by the scruff 320 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,840 and said, "OK, now we're going to be this." 321 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Oh, get down brown sugar 322 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,920 Just like a young girl should 323 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,800 Oh, get down, get down, brown sugar 324 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,520 How come, how come, how come... 325 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:13,080 If The Stones had discovered the secret of survival, at least for now, The Beatles didn't. 326 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,600 As if to prove that longevity in rock and roll was still a struggle 327 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,920 for a group of young men growing up together, they split in 1970. 328 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,120 You know, I was a kid, I was a young kid 329 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,080 and I saw the Beatles go to London 330 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,080 and one meets Jane Asher and one meets Patti Boyd 331 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,760 and then they stop hanging around together 332 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,280 because you probably don't want to hang around with Ringo 333 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,560 when you've got Patti Boyd or Jane Asher waiting, you know what I mean? 334 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,200 So, I was there. They hung out together, seriously. 335 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,640 They'd be in the dressing room behind at Top of the Pops, 336 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,320 writing Paperback Writer, two of them, you know, two lads, 337 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,720 and bit by bit they were separated by their careers and the money 338 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,840 and they moved to another city, they weren't exposed to the same... You see it all the time. 339 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:15,480 You know, people make it and they leave behind what it was that made them what they are. 340 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:21,440 I mean, Paul McCartney, it was a very gentle slope down, if you like. 341 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,680 Lennon never really recovered from Primal Therapy. 342 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,800 Even Harrison, who had been desperate to get out of the Beatles, 343 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,560 once there were no Beatles to compete against, somehow, 344 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,840 didn't seem to have anything to compete with. 345 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,320 The Fab Four would go on to enjoy successful solo careers for many years to come. 346 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,680 But would the surge of creativity that fed them in their youth 347 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,760 prove more elusive for them and their generation as they grew older? 348 00:24:52,280 --> 00:25:00,240 Mick Jagger and Pete Townshend and Paul McCartney can go play arenas 40 years after they first had hits. 349 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,080 Great. 350 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,960 But...they ain't writing good songs. You know. 351 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,320 The outpouring of creativity that creates this career 352 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,640 is a factor of youth. 353 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,680 I don't think it's depressing to admit 354 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,120 that you're probably going to do your best stuff 355 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,960 by the time you're 30 as a musician. 356 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,120 I think most people get it right in their first and second albums. 357 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:31,880 Something tells me I'm into something good 358 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:38,080 It's rare that beyond that, people don't just do another version of the same stuff. 359 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,600 Something good Oh yeah, something good... 360 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:48,640 You don't need the hardening of the synapse to be a great musician, 361 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,840 you know, or to write a good song. 362 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,560 No performer of the early 70s demonstrated rock and roll's 363 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,400 reliance on youthful invention and raw power more than Iggy Pop. 364 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,840 As I'm older, 365 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,440 I don't think I can write a rock song like I used to. 366 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,280 I can sing it good. 367 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,640 I can sing one of my own songs better than anybody else, 368 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,800 but to write a new one, it is hard to get them that good 369 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,480 because you don't have the animal energy to work with. 370 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,040 You don't have the same amount of animal energy. 371 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,880 I find. I'm being honest. 372 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,280 But not all rock and roll of the early 70s was an expression 373 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,960 of sexual energy and youthful physicality. 374 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,280 By now, prog rock was plundering the classical music collections 375 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,800 so beloved of its middle class parents 376 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,000 as proof of its intention to last, 377 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,480 while its perpetrators contemplated careers beyond the age of 30. 378 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,000 I remember when I started in the 60s and doing things. 379 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,200 People said, "What are you going to do when you're in your 20s?" 380 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,320 I said, "Don't know". 381 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:08,720 And then when you're still doing it in your 20s, they say, 382 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,160 "What are you going to do in your 30s"? I said, "I don't know". 383 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,640 Then you find you're in your 30s and people say, "What are you going to do in your 40s? You go, 384 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320 "There's a reasonable chance I could still be doing this". 385 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:32,320 As a result, performers found themselves living with their songs and growing into their material. 386 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,120 I go through stages where there's certain songs 387 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:41,520 that it's, "Oh, no, I cant do that again". 388 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,360 And then, I've been doing it so long, it goes around in a circle 389 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,160 and it comes back into fashion again, you know. 390 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,560 We Got To Get Out Of This Place has been, like, so successful at different times and spaces. 391 00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:02,960 It was the most successful song that troops requested constantly for 10 years in Vietnam. 392 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,800 We got to get out of this place, baby 393 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,800 If it's the last thing we ever do... 394 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,520 And then it faded away and went away again. 395 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,120 And then Iraq, all the troops requested We Got To Get Out Of This Place. 396 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:19,040 We got to get out of this place... 397 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,160 It's a written in the contract. "We want him to come down here 398 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,880 "but he's got to sing We Got To Get Out Of This Place". 399 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840 It's written in the contract. It's weird. 400 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,480 And there's a wonderful, wonderful version by Joni Mitchell 401 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,880 of a song that she did when she was young, Both Sides Now. 402 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400 It's an eye wateringly wonderful song. 403 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,440 Bows and flows of angel hair 404 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,680 And ice cream castles in the air... 405 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:55,240 And she sang it began in her 50s, I think about an octave lower, with an orchestra. 406 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,160 I've looked at clouds that way 407 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,680 But now they only block the sun... 408 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,080 It's so moving because you think it's taken her three decades 409 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,880 and now she understands the song she wrote when she was in her youth. 410 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,760 So many things I would have done 411 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,160 But clouds got in my way 412 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,000 I've looked at clouds from both sides now 413 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,440 From up and down and still somehow 414 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,920 It's cloud illusions I recall 415 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,320 I really don't know clouds 416 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,920 At all. 417 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,280 In 1976, before the 60s generation had a chance to mature, 418 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,960 they were rudely thrust aside by punk. 419 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,360 Either you make a punk record or we don't know what to do. 420 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,560 You have to just pack up, go, go and do something else. 421 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,880 It was a three-chord reign of terror. The ultimate Oedipal act, 422 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,680 snarling, spitting and clawing its way to the stage. 423 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,440 It was best to just keep a low profile for a while. 424 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:28,680 These weren't kids of the optimistic 60s, but a new, young generation who felt abandoned. 425 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,400 Everyone was in their way, and, as always, no-one understood them. 426 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,160 - I know what I would do with them. - What would you do with them? - Give them a bloody good hiding. 427 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,560 I went to the Roxy Club when I was about 16, 428 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,240 which was the big punk club, and there was a band on called Eater. 429 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,240 I think the average age of them was 14. 430 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,640 So, yeah, there was a definite feeling that it was a time for young people. 431 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Punk represented the kind of reckless joy 432 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,680 that I remembered that we had at that age, when we were young. 433 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,800 That recklessness of youth, I think, is a great, valuable contribution of new youth culture. 434 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,440 You think, "Blimey, I've forgotten to be that brave." 435 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,960 When punk came along, I felt too old. 436 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,040 I thought, I can't pretend the Beatles never happened. 437 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,480 I don't think music began with Siouxsie and the Banshees. 438 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,800 All of the main people in punk, John Lydon, The Sex Pistols, 439 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,120 The Clash, The Damned, they had a big thing for the Rolling Stones. 440 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,880 Joe Strummer, huge fan of the Stones. 441 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,360 The Who, all those groups, they loved them. 442 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,960 It was just a pose on their part to say, you know, they're passed it. 443 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,240 No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones... 444 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,920 One of the problems is, when you're young, you're part of that group. 445 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,640 You run things. 446 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:59,080 It's very easy to forget that coming up underneath is the next lot and then one day, you sort of, like, 447 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,680 fall of the end of the cliff and drop down and they take over 448 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,720 and when you look back up at the cliff, you think, 449 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,480 "Oh, shit, is this what's going on"? What happens is, 450 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,840 they'll just pelt stuff down. They'll just drop rocks on you. 451 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:18,800 No more heroes any more No more heroes any more... 452 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,280 I suppose it was an easy target in those big punk rock groups. 453 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,200 They just were, because, if you had no money and you were playing in your local pub, 454 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,080 you weren't going to be wearing a great big cape and have 44 keyboards, of course. 455 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,640 Now you see punks who are 40 years old, plus, 456 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,600 and time is a great leveller and you look at these guys 457 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,800 who've still got the sort of things through their nose and stuff 458 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,520 but, you know, time has made them more mature 459 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,600 and given them some perspective on who they are as human beings. 460 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,720 I sort of like that. I think that's nice. 461 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,160 I like to see old punks. It warms my heart. 462 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,720 This should've been our next single, but they wouldn't play it on the radio. 463 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,240 It's called Too Much, Too Young. 464 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,960 You done too much, much too young 465 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,640 You're married with a kid When you could be having fun with me 466 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,120 Oh, no, no gimme no more pickni. 467 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,000 The bands of the post-punk era, though less dismissive of the past, 468 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,920 still believed that rock and pop music were part of an essentially young experience. 469 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,080 Only now, that experience was of Thatcher's Britain, 470 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,200 one that the older generation of established bands seemed to ignore. 471 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,800 When I was 16, my favourite act was Elvis Costello, 472 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,680 and you're just talking about five years' difference. 473 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,120 It's big when you're young. 474 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,120 So he seemed like an old geezer to me 475 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,920 and I don't think that it was so much that you were looking for someone who had a similar age, 476 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,560 I think you were looking for someone that could speak for you, really. 477 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,920 When you're 14, you do think someone who is 28 is really old, and certainly 30 is way past it. 478 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,720 I think I remember saying at the time is, even when I wrote Baggy Trousers when I was probably about 19, saying, 479 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,160 "I will never sing this song when I'm 30, because I'll be too old". 480 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,360 The headmaster's had enough today 481 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,720 All the kids have gone away Gone to fight with next door's school 482 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,320 Every term, that is the rule 483 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,320 Sits alone and bends his cane Same old backsides again 484 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,840 All the small ones tell tall tales 485 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,640 Walking home and squashing snails... 486 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,200 But no, the feeling was that if you were over 25, 487 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,160 you were too old to be in a band, certainly when I started. 488 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,040 Oh what fun we had But at the time it seemed so bad 489 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,960 Trying different ways to make a difference to the days... 490 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,240 I do believe I'm a better act older than I was younger. 491 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:43,120 That doesn't mean to say that you haven't already written the best song you're going to write, 492 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,120 but I think there's a greater depth to being a performer than just the writing part. 493 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,480 All I need was the love you gave 494 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,040 All I needed for another day 495 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,320 And all I ever knew 496 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,600 Only you. 497 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,000 It's having a greater understanding of emotion, of sex, 498 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,280 of all of those things 499 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,240 that allow you to put a message across, or to communicate. 500 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:15,320 To communicate, I think, you know. I've become a better communicator. 501 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,280 In the early '80s, The Stones were back, again, having been absent from the stage for six years 502 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,520 while punk and its aftermath had been the centre of attention. 503 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,280 They were proving that they were in for the long haul. 504 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,480 No-one was going to call, "Time, gentlemen, please" on them. 505 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,880 Under my thumb 506 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,880 There's a woman 507 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,040 Who once had me down... 508 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,280 Knocking on 40. How old are you now? 509 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,120 I'm 38, so I'm not 40. 510 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,000 Er, I think I could do this particular kind of physical show 511 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,120 for about another...say five years. 512 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,080 So, I said to myself last year, 513 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,040 I figure I can only do it for five years, this kind of show. 514 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,600 After that it's going to look like Barry Manilow, 515 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,120 or, I can still sing, but you know, I can't do all this other nonsense. 516 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,440 How would you feel if it suddenly all started to fade 517 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,880 and suddenly they'd had enough? 518 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,760 It doesn't happen like that, does it? 519 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:19,520 It sort of slowly, slowly they sink into oblivion. 520 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,280 It doesn't all stop and no-one comes, you know what I mean? 521 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,440 But I can understand your fears for me, but still, 522 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,440 you know, we'll soldier on, you know? 523 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:36,200 Thank you. Good evening. It's so nice to be back. 524 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,440 In July 1985 the benefits of soldiering on 525 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,160 reached unexpected and unprecedented heights with Live Aid. 526 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,760 The international event sometimes looked like a rock and roll Dads Army 527 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,760 as acts like Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, The Who 528 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,320 and The Beach Boys joined pop stars of the '80s on stage. 529 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,040 Watched by more than 400 million viewers in 60 countries, 530 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,360 this was the rock and roll survivors' finest hour. 531 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,680 Suddenly, being 40 no longer meant being uncool. 532 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,200 These were the masters, the legends, 533 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,960 the acts deemed capable of feeding the world. 534 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,480 Now some years ago within spitting distance of the stadium, 535 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,000 four Londoners formed a band to speak for their generation. 536 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,280 They eventually spoke for two. Now they sing to save a third. 537 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,560 Please welcome The Who! 538 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,800 The previous establishment, did come back in. 539 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,800 They did poke their heads above the parapet again. 540 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,640 And, of course, it was ideal for anybody that was still capable 541 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,520 of playing and singing from an older school. 542 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,280 What was your... Your opposition now was the New Romantics. 543 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,960 I mean, easy job. 544 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:05,760 I have the pleasure of introducing to you a group that's been together for 25 years. 545 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:12,320 A lot of young people heard some bands for the first time, 546 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,880 some older bands, and went, "These are fantastic!" 547 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,800 And then the most hated people in their musical vocabulary, their parents, said, 548 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,280 "We love them, too." 549 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,520 I'd like to welcome Alison Moyet! 550 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,920 I was picked up in a helicopter with Bono and David Bowie, which was, like, you know. 551 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,720 When I get out of the helicopter I've got Roger Daltrey waving at me 552 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:45,040 and Freddie Mercury blowing me kisses and it's like, these are, you know, bona fide stars. 553 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,640 I mean, these are the real deal, do you know what I mean? 554 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,360 And, um, so that was kind of a, blew me away, but maybe all it does, 555 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,600 putting those people back on the stage again, 556 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560 is just reminding people that they really loved those acts. 557 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,640 Someone still loves you. 558 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:14,520 There were, of, course, no rules yet in place for how the older generation of rockers should behave. 559 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,760 How to grow old gracefully or disgracefully, 560 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,560 especially given their essentially youthful, often rebellious back catalogue. 561 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,360 The notion that an artist would be unsettled, 562 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,680 or even disturbed by the fact that having been a rebel in his youth 563 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:43,240 that he finds himself re-enacting it 10, 20, 30, 40 years thereafter 564 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:49,320 is, you know, an intellectual critic's construct that has no meaning in real life. 565 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:56,680 Real life happens in a series of nanoseconds that get strung out, you know, one after the other. 566 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,440 And moment by moment by moment... 567 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,040 people like to survive. 568 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,840 I mean, did these guys, you know, like their fathers, my father as well, 569 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:13,880 spend six years of the Second World War in a foxhole, you know, dodging bullets? 570 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,960 I mean, now that's something to survive, OK? 571 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,440 Taking a lot of drugs and lying on a ratty old mattress, 572 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,520 it's a lot easier to survive that. 573 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,000 I can see it in your eyes Take one look and die. 574 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:32,760 And survive they did, some despite the booze, the drugs 575 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,920 and a life spent almost entirely on the road. That's why we love them. 576 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,640 Motorhead's Lemmy may not have had to dodge bullets, 577 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,520 but by any reasonable standards he should be dead. 578 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:56,200 I've been on the road now, man and boy, for almost three years. I'm actually only 17. 579 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,840 I mean there's some days you don't feel like it as much as others, 580 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,520 but I'm sure that's much the same in plumbing, you know? 581 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,480 Some days you don't feel like standing up to your arse in cold water, you know? 582 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,360 Do you think it's a bit weird though? 583 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,480 There was all that, you know, live fast, die young thing in rock music earlier on. 584 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,560 A lot of them did, you know. It's fair enough. I didn't think of much of a plan really. 585 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:23,240 You know, I thought live fast, keep going. Much more fun. 586 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,320 My hair is not having a good day already. 587 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,640 I dye my hair. I don't understand why people keep their hair grey. 588 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,880 You're all right. Look at the job you're in. You're not in my job, 589 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,680 you know what I mean? I'm talking about people in my job. 590 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,320 There are people that get on stage and it looks like, I don't know, 591 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,840 Rip Van Winkle times four, you know? 592 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,240 But the lifestyle isn't a great one for surviving. 593 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,280 - It depends on how you approach it. - How have you approached it? 594 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200 From the side, usually. 595 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,880 On tiptoe, so it doesn't know you're there 596 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,680 and then you get your hands round the throat. 597 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,040 I, you know, I just, you have to be careful about what's offered, 598 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,880 you know? You can't do it all cos it'll kill you. 599 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:14,360 But, as I say, some people... are in the basket weavers hotel and some of us aren't, you know? 600 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,280 Do you think in the '60s people just thought, well, we don't care cos we don't want to get old anyway? 601 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160 There was a sense of that, but then again, 602 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,200 you don't know if you want to get old until you get almost old. 603 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,480 That's when you decide on that one. "Oh, it doesn't look so bad now!" 604 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,240 - How is it possible to do what you do? - How is it possible to stop? 605 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,120 It's what I am, you know? It's what I am, it's not what I do any more. 606 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,960 A long time ago it became what I am. 607 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:56,640 What had begun with Live Aid in the '80s continued into the '90s with projects like War Child. 608 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,920 Performers from three generations of rock and roll, Paul McCartney, Paul Weller and Noel Gallagher, 609 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:10,040 came together to record Come Together in the new spirit of multi-generational tolerance. 610 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:15,800 It was no longer a case of "my generation", but "your generation, too". 611 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,520 Come together 612 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,200 Right now 613 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,880 Over me. 614 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,480 Over me 615 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,120 Over me. 616 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,240 It wasn't only on stage that this spirit was at work. 617 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,960 Audiences for the music also began to span generations. 618 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,200 Every major band I know that reformed 619 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,240 said that if they had a pound for every time someone came along 620 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,000 and said, "There's two generations of the family here" 621 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:51,280 or "Three generations. There's the grandchildren, my kids and the wife and I." 622 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,760 And it's the only thing they've got in common. It's the only thing that links them together. 623 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,280 They're as old as your parents, but they don't exactly look or behave like them. 624 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,760 Rock and roll survivors can't act their age. 625 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,880 It just wouldn't work. 626 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,120 Now last year I was 21 627 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,600 I didn't have a lot of fun 628 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,920 Now I'm going to be 22 629 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,480 Well I say oh, my and boo-hoo 630 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,120 Now I'm going to be 22 631 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,480 Oh my, boo-hoo. 632 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,640 It's just, this has been the most comfortable and free part of my life 633 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,440 and I suppose this is the only part of my life 634 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,760 in which I've attained possession of all the cliches 635 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,760 that young rock stars are supposed to have. 636 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,040 Beautiful sexy chick, long legs, check. 637 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,360 A fantastic hot convertible car, check. 638 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,120 House in the country, check. 639 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,760 Place in the islands, check. 640 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,200 Really good band, check. Fans, check. 641 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,600 So, you know, so what if my knee hurts? 642 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,000 I don't give a fuck! I don't care. 643 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,640 Yeah. 644 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,360 It's the travelling that's the bad part, you know, especially today. 645 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,160 But the thing is is that you put up with that 646 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,720 and you make sure you've got a good book 647 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:40,120 and you do your homework for the next gig 648 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:46,600 and you get up and walk around and moan and groan about your breaking back 649 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,600 and then when you get off and take a pill, fall asleep and wake up and you're in Budapest! 650 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,800 Hey-hey, you know. You get over it. 651 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,880 You're just swept along with it, you know, 652 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,520 until you either fry or sometimes die. 653 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,360 I love you only 654 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,040 I never have thought about any other woman 655 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,400 Any other woman no... 656 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,080 I don't practise. I don't rehearse. 657 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,840 Some foolish thing Some simple thing I've done, girl! 658 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,840 I'm not a home going, "La, da, de, da, da", you know. 659 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,200 Oh, please don't let me be misunderstood... 660 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,040 My voice is right there when I call it up, 661 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,840 - it's - never, ever not - there. 662 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,920 We do think it's kind of peculiar that Mick Jagger 663 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,480 still snakes across the stage doing that wriggly hip dance. 664 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,200 You then, you look at the body and then you look at the face 665 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,280 and there's a kind of moment of disconnect. 666 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,920 But there's also a sort of, "Wow, gosh, well, that's great", you know. 667 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,640 He's 67 and he's still able to do that. 668 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,080 I think Mick Jagger is a better performer nowadays than he was in the '70s. 669 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,320 He goes out there and he really pulls out the stops. 670 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,520 He's an amazing performer, 671 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,600 and it's the same with Iggy. I mean, you're dealing with great performers. 672 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,520 You're dealing with some of the greatest performers of the 20th century. 673 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,840 It's one of those things that when you think about it a lot, 674 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,600 the more you think about it actually the odder it gets 675 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,120 that you're singing Let's Spend The Night Together and you're 67. 676 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,840 There's an uncomfortableness, I suppose, that people feel 677 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,280 when they think that somebody is, er, acting, 678 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:58,800 or their act asks you to pretend that they're still young. 679 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,960 I mean, there's nobody in the world that us old lefties admire more than Arthur Scargill, 680 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,040 but as his personal advisers we would have said, "Ditch the haircut." 681 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,600 And in the same way I think that Arthur Scargill and Mick Jagger have a similar, 682 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,000 create a similar slightly embarrassing frisson. 683 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,480 I'll see you in my dreams 684 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,560 Hold you in my dreams... 685 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:37,200 I'll do anything that is actually applicable to a 68 year-old bloke 686 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,240 cos I've seen bands go out there and they just think they are teenagers. 687 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:45,720 They just go out performing teenage songs and they're old men 688 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,560 and I think it's undignified, you know? 689 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,240 Know what I mean? How can you do that? 690 00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,600 How can you wear leather trousers when you're incontinent? 691 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,240 You can't get them off quick enough. 692 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,160 Especially when the wigs are all doing that! 693 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,720 ..Were mine 694 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,360 Tender eyes that shine... 695 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:19,400 One particular song of mine that I don't perform called That's What Love Will Do. 696 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,920 It's all about a bloke sitting up the back row of the pictures with his 18 year-old bird. 697 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,400 I keep reminding myself I haven't been up the back row of the pictures 698 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:33,200 with an 18-year-old bird since I was, what? 18. 699 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,680 I think as you get older, you should be reflecting, you know, 700 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,200 just as a film-maker would reflect or a poet would reflect or a novelist would reflect, your age. 701 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,600 You should be, I think. 702 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,360 Well come and do your worst, boy That's the way, that's the way 703 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,640 Hit me where it hurts, boy That's the way, that's the way 704 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,000 Come and do worst, boy That's the way, that's the way 705 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,640 But I'll never give it up I'll never give it up... 706 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,120 I write more songs about death, about losing friends. 707 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:11,320 I mean, you just can't help it. It's, er, death isn't that far ahead, you know? 708 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,160 It's closer than looking back the other way at this point. 709 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,200 Hey, hey, hey, hey. 710 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,120 While many acts soldiered on regardless, 711 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,720 others had slipped from view into semi-retirement. 712 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:30,000 But the new millennium witnessed the entirely new phenomena of the revival and the comeback. 713 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:42,000 Leonard Cohen, now in his 70s, had already decided to stop recording and performing altogether. 714 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,640 At least, that was his plan. 715 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:51,960 Well he talks like this You don't know what he's after 716 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,240 When he speaks like this you don't know what he's after... 717 00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:00,360 He goes to a Buddhist monastery 718 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,840 and retires from the world. He's never going to sing. 719 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,520 Beneath the bridge that they are building on some endless river... 720 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:15,200 While he's in the monastery, his manager steals all his money and he comes out and he's broke! 721 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,640 And, "What am I going to do?" 722 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,200 "You've got to go on the road, Leonard. That's what you've got to do." 723 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,560 - And now he turns up, he loves it. 724 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:29,520 You can hear the birds go by You can spend the night beside her 725 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,000 And you know she's half crazy 726 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,720 That's why you want to be there 727 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,240 And she feeds you tea and oranges 728 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,800 That come all the way from China... 729 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,520 He's making more money than God. 730 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,360 He's filling the O2 Arena for a week, or whatever it is, 731 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:54,640 and the Albert Hall for three nights and going and doing the same thing all over the world. 732 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,800 You've always been her lover. 733 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,280 And you can just tell by looking at this he's like a pig in shit! 734 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,480 He's just loving it. 735 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,360 It's like, "Why didn't anybody tell me I could have fun doing this?" 736 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,080 Audiences who had grown up and grown old with their heroes wanted them back. 737 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,240 Age had invested their favourite bands with a new authenticity. 738 00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:27,640 Performers couldn't believe their luck. 739 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,840 Even Brian Wilson returned from the wilderness to be a Beach Boy once again. 740 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,280 And God only knows what I'd be without you. 741 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,960 Here's one called God Only Knows. 742 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,080 It was like the zeitgeist, understood. 743 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,840 "Ah, OK. That's how you do it." 744 00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:01,160 You get the personality of the most important person who wrote the songs, who did the singing. 745 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,520 You put them in front. You've got a bunch of young virtuosi 746 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,520 to fill in the rest of the parts. 747 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,480 You don't worry about trying to get the rhythm guitar player out of rehab. 748 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,560 You just, you know, get the best young kids you can 749 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,200 and go out there and do it exactly the way it was on the record. 750 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,720 The world could show nothing to me... 751 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:34,040 You've got to have been away for quite a bit. 752 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,120 Have not done particularly much 753 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,600 and at the same time have a lot of myth around you. 754 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,240 Did he have psychedelic drugs and went off his head? 755 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,440 Did he write all that stuff? 756 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,520 Did he do it all himself? So, you know, there's a great big mystery surrounding the man. 757 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,000 He looked like Brian Wilson in some strange way. 758 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,280 Brian looked like a deer in the headlights, but he did everything and he was great. 759 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,520 A lot of the people that are of my age group that go to see these groups, 760 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,760 they want to be transported back to a time when they were young. 761 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,560 They want that. I could give a toss about being young. 762 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,560 Being young just got me into trouble. 763 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,520 The struggles of youth, you know. I mean, they're overrated. 764 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,880 This whole talk of youth, youth, youth, it's overrated. 765 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,640 Being a young just isn't that hot any more. 766 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,480 That's what it is. 767 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,640 Cos when you're 15 768 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,800 And somebody tells you they love you 769 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,720 You're going to believe them... 770 00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:43,680 But the struggles of youth still find their most perfect expression in music. 771 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,680 The pop business is now younger than ever. 772 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,560 Kids are singing to kids again, 773 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,640 and the market has refocussed its attentions on young girls as its main consumers. 774 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,360 Baby, no 775 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,000 Baby, baby, baby, oh... 776 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,520 It's a wrinkle-free Disneyfied world populated by beautiful performers. 777 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,200 Like their predecessors, 778 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,640 they're probably thinking that they won't be singing 779 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,880 about the problems of being 15 when they're 64. 780 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,560 But stranger things have already happened. 781 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,840 Thought you'd always be mine. 782 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,360 A hit or a miss? 783 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,120 There they are. They've said undoubtedly it's a... 784 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,000 All right. On to the next. 785 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,840 When McCartney, Dylan and The Stones 786 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:36,920 and Paul Simon and Crosby, Stills and Nash are unable to play any more, 787 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:44,040 when that generation goes, will classic rock continue, or will that be the end of it? 788 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,600 Or will people be sitting around in, you know, aquatic shopping malls 789 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,040 in 200 years time listening to Comfortably Numb? 790 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,920 I mean it's just, I don't know. Wait and see. 791 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,840 I haven't seen my birth certificate in years. 792 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,560 Get a life! Get swiftcovered. 793 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,440 Rock and roll is now revelling in a long life. 794 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,800 What was about risk and youth is now about enjoying a grand old age. 795 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:17,680 It's about longevity, survival, nostalgia and refusing to grow up, give up or shut up. 796 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,040 You ain't playing soccer for Manchester United when you're 64, 797 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,120 but you can play the stadiums when you're 64 in a rock band. 798 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,280 You really can. 799 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,080 Hank and I are on the way to 69. 800 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,360 And every night we're laughing, I'm looking across at Hank and thinking, 801 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,240 "I've been playing with him for 52 years. Since I was, you know." 802 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:44,040 You're looking across and he's laughing and me and we're doing a solo or something 803 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,840 and we're bouncing off each other and I think, "This is unbelievable, this is." 804 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:54,960 Move it, move it, move it Move it, move it, move it 805 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,880 Move it, move it, move it. 806 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,880 I would never have quit. 807 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,640 That's the only attitude that's going to work, 808 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:10,440 and for a real artist it's that you're just not going to do anything else. 809 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,600 You're just not. 810 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:18,520 Why stop now when I have the best band that I've had in a long time? 811 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,080 That's my job, innit? 812 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,360 It's a job. 813 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,080 I signed up for it, I've got to do it, you know? 814 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,080 One, two, three, four. 815 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,160 I would like to live to a ripe old age because, er, 816 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:41,520 I've already said to my missus that after I've been burnt and slung somewhere 817 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:49,880 that if there's a gravestone anywhere it just has to read, "This isn't fair, I've not finished yet." 818 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,800 Did your dreams die young? 819 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,200 Were they too hard work? 820 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,280 I've got about three years to go before I become a living legend. 821 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:07,880 They give you a special pass for the buses and things. 822 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,320 But suddenly your fee doubles and, um... 823 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:16,240 and people start noticing all that work you've been doing for years. 824 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,800 Non, rien de rien... 825 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,560 There was this movie came out just recently about Edith Piaf 826 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:30,680 and that put me on fire again and made me realise, like her, 827 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:37,560 please let me get to the stage just one more time! 828 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,880 And if you fuckers out there, if you've come to see me die, 829 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,120 well, it's not going to be tonight! 830 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:51,600 Forever young 831 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:58,360 Forever young 832 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:06,400 May you stay 833 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,840 Forever young. 76414

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