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This programme contains some strong language.
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From the moment it first fell on alarmed, old ears,
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it was clear that rock and roll was a young person's game.
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Music made by young people for young people that never intended to grow up or grow old.
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And yet, it did.
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So what happened as the music refused to die, and its performers refused to leave the stage?
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What happens when rock's youthful rebelliousness is delivered wrapped in wrinkles?
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These are the stories of Britain's first rock and roll generations
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and their struggle to stay forever young.
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You know I'm born to lose And gambling's for fools
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But that's the way I like it, baby I don't want to live forever...
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The secret of longevity is not dying.
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It's easy, really. You know, just keep breathing at all times.
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Look at Keith. Dear old Keith.
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He looks like he's been dead for 40 years. Do you know what I mean?
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But everybody loves him. They say,
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"Is he still alive?"
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"Yeah." "Is he alive now?"
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"I'm not sure."
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When I walk on stage and I still put the capes on and I go out,
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age suddenly goes out the window.
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I am not 60 years old anymore.
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Admittedly, when I come off, it's slightly different.
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I don't go to a party, I normally go back to my hotel room
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and order a hot chocolate and watch the late night movie.
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I had a pair of leather trousers. I called them rubber trousers.
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And I wore them for the first time as a joke
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because I thought it was really amusing, this 50-year-old guy
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wearing leather trousers and I got all embarrassed.
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It probably looks like I think I'm a bit of a rock sausage guy.
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And they were...got rid of.
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Now I go out there in sensible clothes.
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We are the first generation who I think has cocked a snook at age.
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We have carried on being the oldest swingers in town
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and none of us are showing any signs
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of wanting to not go to rock concerts,
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not want to stay up all night, not want to take a lot of recreational drugs if we feel like it.
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We want to rock out but we've all got weak bladders now,
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so we don't want to be stuck in a long queue for the toilets like it was back in the 70s or 60s.
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People try to put us d-down
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Talkin' 'bout my generation
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- Just because we get around
- Talkin' 'bout my generation
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Things they do look awful c-cold
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Talkin' 'bout my generation
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I hope I die before I get old...
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If the world wants them to come and sing,
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"I hope I die before I get old",
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35 years after they first recorded it,
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I think Pete Townshend is more than happy to do so
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and have a bunch of fans screaming, "Pete".
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- Why don't you all f-fade away?
- Talkin' 'bout my generation
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Don't try and dig what we all say...
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They were actually saying, "Hope I die before I get old".
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Not trying to cause a b-b-big sensation
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Talkin' 'bout my generation
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Talkin' 'bout my g-g-g-generation.
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Guys, you're old. What happened?
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What happened started in the 50s, when an entirely new species emerged with its very own music.
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They were called teenagers and their music was called rock and roll.
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The jazz critic Brian Case once said
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before teenagers, there was just this transition between boy and man
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and he called it, Brian called it, junior man.
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And there was suddenly a group called youth.
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When you're between the age of 12 and 18,
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that's where music in general is going to have its most powerful impact on you.
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You're going through a rather treacherous path with puberty and post-adolescence.
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The music that they latch onto, it represents who they are or who they want to be.
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Pop music started a lot of things.
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It's spurred that wonderful thing, which is the joy of every young person, of their
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parents shouting up the stairs, "Turn that bloody racket down".
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One of the social functions of rock has always been defiance of the older generation
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and fencing off a particular kind of experience
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that young people have for themselves.
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Elvis certainly loved his mum, but...
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his every gesture, his every note,
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was all about social disenfranchisement and rebellion.
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Here's this guy who wears weird clothes.
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He wears pink and black, for heaven's sake, like a pimp.
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Um...great.
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I think what rock and roll invented was a teenager as an end in itself.
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As a kind of final product.
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As a flower of human life.
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Some of these wild young flowers
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were picked for rock and roll stardom
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by a business now trading in youth.
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You always heard these stories that people in English showbusiness were sort of discovered.
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Someone was driving along in a car
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and they saw this really good-looking kid on the side of the street and they said,
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"Get in the car, I'll make you a star".
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Well, none of my friends would have got in the car.
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Unless they had really good sweets.
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The man with the best sweets in town was impresario Larry Parnes,
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who ran a stable of hopeful performers.
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All you needed to gain entry was to be young, male and good looking.
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Once in, Uncle Larry re-christened you for the new youth market.
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Hello, Larry Parnes speaking.
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Marty Wilde was Reggie Smith.
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Vince Ego, Duffy Power, Billy Fury.
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He wanted to change my name, would you believe, to Elmer Twitch.
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Honest. And I said, "I don't think so, Mr Parnes."
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Thank you too, mate.
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Well, that just about wraps it up, doesn't it?
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Georgie Fame, Lance Fortune, Dickie Pride,
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and if you saw them when you were a young, as I did,
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they were the only musicians that could play rock in the country, the people that played with them.
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They were all sort of handsome, pure-skinned guys that all the girls screamed at.
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It was very much aimed at the girls.
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The music wasn't taken seriously and it wasn't meant to last.
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It was only the soundtrack to growing pains,
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temporary and disposable, just like the people who made it.
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The newspapers gave rock and roll, as it were, "We give this six months".
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A hit or a miss?
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There they are. They've said undoubtedly that it's a...
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All right. Onto the next.
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Nobody ever thought that the pop thing ever had more than, like, a quick innings. Like a short...
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"We'll have a look at it and then we'll get rid of them."
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Do you think that you've got a good chance of being on stage still at 45, say?
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I hope to. I don't know about my chances.
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They probably thought, "This will last for a couple of years
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"and then I'll go back on the coal".
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I think Hank and I wanted desperately to have a career somehow.
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Didn't know how.
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We just wanted to be up there.
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Hank was the first real, young,
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talented, seriously talented, player
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that came up with exciting, fresh stuff, solos and stuff,
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and we were British, so we were the British rock and roll bit.
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We started writing, Hank and I, at 16, which was really...
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it was crap. But we were writing.
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Like, I was 15 and I was in a band and we had a number one record
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and I went to the bank and, you know, I thought, "I'll get a loan and maybe buy a car and everything".
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"Well, what is your income for next year"?
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"Income for...I don't know." "Next."
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The grown-ups remained doubtful
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that the Beatlemania gripping British youth in the early 60s
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was a fever that would last.
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Twist and shout
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C'mon, c'mon, c'mon, baby...
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Even The Beatles accepted the idea of their own in-built obsolescence.
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There's a great interview with the Beatles around 1964 or 1965
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where Lennon and McCartney are saying, "Well..."
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Obviously we can't keep playing the same sort of music until we're about 40
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because when we're old men playing From Me To You,
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nobody's going to want to know at all about that sort of thing.
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"Another couple of years and then John and I will write songs for other people, younger people".
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The new tyranny of youth meant that by 1963, The Shadows already seemed middle-aged.
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By the time the Beatles came, we'd been going nearly five years then.
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We were like the Rat Pack because we were in tuxedos, silk shoes,
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frilly shirts, bow ties.
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It was like Dean Martin on lead guitar, Frank singing.
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Whereas all the new stuff, the Beatles with their hair
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and the funny collars, they were cool, they were young.
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We were like, we were the establishment.
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When the Manfreds formed, I was the youngest one in the group.
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Manfred said, as we were rehearsing
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in his terrifyingly cold flat in south-east London...
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.."Man, we're going to be bigger than The Shadows".
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And I thought, "Well, of course we are.
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"Because they're old."
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And of course, they were two years older than me.
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And tonight, you would hear
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The saddest song of the year
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And you'd be mine once again come tomorrow.
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In 1965, The Who recorded one of the ultimate anthems to youth.
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One that damned growing up and growing old.
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The young went on the offensive, claiming their territory through guitar, bass and drums.
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With me, it was like, bam, OK.
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You either like it or you don't.
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Rock was full impact music
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for young people who wanted to go out, have a good time,
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have sex, spend a bit of money,
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create tribes for themselves, whether it was the mods and the rockers, you name it.
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They wanted music that related to their condition
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and was on the cutting edge
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of the youth experience in whatever era they lived through.
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The older generation were still recovering from a world war and just wanted some peace and some quiet.
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To the younger generation, old age just seemed boring.
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Our image of it was our image of our parents and so that's what we thought age was,
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a father who was coming up for retirement,
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certainly by the middle-late 60s they would be retired.
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The extent of their activity would be going fishing, pottering in the garden.
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So, it was very much a kind of a life that had folded down
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and had stopped being in any way innovative
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and in any way full of changes.
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I think the whole point about the baby boom generation
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was that we made it up from the beginning
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and we've been making it up ever since
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and we've been pushing those barriers forward
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and refusing to accept the idea of being old.
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Hope I die before I get old.
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How long do you think audiences are going to go on accepting this music that hasn't got any quality?
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Don't you think people are going to suddenly come to the conclusion...
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What has got quality in the pop business?
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What's got quality in anything? It's just a matter of standard.
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In the pop business, we're lucky that there are no standards, you know.
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In My Generation, you wrote, "I hope I die before I get old".
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- Do you in fact mean this?
- Yes.
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He wasn't saying that, "That is the case", he was saying that that is how young men feel.
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He was reflecting a kind of new confidence in being young.
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Ironically, the British beat boom of the mid-60s was, to a large extent, based on music that was already old.
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Bands like The Stones, The Animals and Manfred Mann worshiped American blues of the 20s, 30s and 40s.
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I'm in a mood, baby...
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Their recording heroes were still alive, but were, by rock and roll's new standards, old men.
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The first music I listened to was jazz
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and then when I started to listen to blues, people were all mature.
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Miles Davis was born in 1925. Charlie Parker, likewise.
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Muddy Waters was born in 1914 or something.
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I thought, "I don't care about young people, anyway."
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Youth culture, youth movement,
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youthful-isation of pop and all that,
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has always been mostly complete shit.
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It's just been about seizure and marketing of a folk movement
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by the same old commercial and industrial forces that take anything
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and try to just identify the most defenceless consumer.
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I'll satisfy your every need
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Every need...
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The narcissistic rebelliousness of British rock and roll,
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young, gifted and white, gathered speed with The Rolling Stones.
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Let's spend the night together...
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While The Who were busy burying the older generation,
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The Stones were singing about finding their satisfaction in sex.
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- Let's spend the night together.
- Come on, baby.
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'Obviously, you know, rock and roll, especially when you're a young band,'
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there's a lot of testosterone flying around.
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It has all those great sexual connotations.
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Largely, the rock and roll myth has been built up around that sexual thing as well, which is very true.
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I'm meeting audiences today that probably,
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even with the help of Viagra, they're not going to be into sex, but they still love the music.
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Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm 64?
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The arrival of album culture in the late 60s
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proved that rock and roll was now thinking more in the long term.
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It didn't sound disposable any more.
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It was growing up, just like the people who made it.
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The Beatles' Sgt Pepper's album dared to imagine what life would be like at 64,
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completely unthinkable for My Generation.
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People did think Sgt Pepper was going to last.
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They might not have thought that Beatles For Sale was going to last,
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cos that was still a pop record,
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but I think by the time they'd spent £13,000 recording Sgt Pepper's,
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they weren't expecting that to be toast by Christmas.
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It went serious.
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Quite a bit serious.
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The 20-year-old experienced musicians
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started to take things a bit seriously and think, "Where can we go, what's different?"
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Of course, it dragged along the kids as well, but only of a certain age.
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People were able to... They were growing up with these bands
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and they were able to sort of
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appreciate a bit more depth lyrically and musically.
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That her face at first just ghostly
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Turned a whiter shade of pale.
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I always did think that "Somebody is going to be listening to this
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"in five years' time", you know, ten years' time.
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If rock and roll was attempting to grow up, the grown ups weren't having it.
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They're response to this more mature form of musical expression was just as parental.
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These new, better educated kids on the block should still be seen but not heard.
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Daddy had spoken.
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I remember seeing the Pink Floyd when Syd Barrett was in the group being interviewed.
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It was the only televised interview with Syd Barrett, in fact,
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and Roger Waters is sitting next to him
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and here's some crusty old kind of Swiss,
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bad classical composer saying, "Well, it's all too loud. It's all too...I can't...".
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For me, frankly, it's too loud. I just can't bear it.
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I happen to have grown up in the string quartet, which is a bit softer.
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So, why has it got to be so loud?
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Just being totally condescending and they're sitting there
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and they're trying to defend themselves at the same time.
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I mean, everybody listens. We don't need it very loud to be able to hear it.
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Some of it is very quiet, in fact. Personally, I like quiet music just as much as loud music.
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The end of the 60s saw the beginning of the rock and roll casualty list.
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The death of Brian Jones in 1969 seemed to crystallise a live fast, die young attitude,
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and brought a new reality to, "Hope I die before I get old."
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There has long been in human culture the tradition of sacrificing the young men.
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It's a recurring theme.
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Mozart, Jesus and Charlie Parker all died in their mid-thirties.
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If you really want to be a rock star, die young, because then you've fulfilled your role.
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Your only role was to be young.
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Yeah, I was thinking of writing a song called 27 Forever
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cos Jimi died when he was 27, Janis and Jim Morrison, you know.
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that will be the chorus,
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27 forever!
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I tried living fast and dying young and it just didn't work.
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The closest I got to death was on LSD and I realised it was the drug.
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It wasn't real.
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I was only living for the moment, that's for sure.
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And, in fact, I had the youth ideology. I didn't expect to live long.
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I didn't even learn to do anything properly. I couldn't see the point,
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since I had no intention of living long enough to need to know anything very much.
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The 1960s were a vertiginously steep learning curve for me. And I didn't get anything right.
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In a way, I suppose people expected casualties at that point
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because it still was a risky business,
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even if you were only a risk to yourself.
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When Syd Barrett had his LSD-induced breakdown, there hadn't been any LSD-induced breakdowns.
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Even Jimi Hendrix or Jim Morrison, with all those people,
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I feel like their demise was part of their trajectory.
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They weren't cut off.
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Basically, my youth was...
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I consider it a failure as an event in itself.
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I had to live longer to get anything done.
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That's all I know. I had to live this long
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in order to just to get every third or fourth track on every third or fourth record I make spot on.
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You'll be different in the spring
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I know you're a seasonal beast
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Like the star fish that drift in with the tide
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With the tide
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So until your blood runs
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To meet the next full moon
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Your madness fits in nicely
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With my own, with my own
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Your lunacy fits neatly with my own.
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It's perfectly accepted for everyone, from poets to politicians, that they mature as they get older.
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This is expected.
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Especially in really important things like wine and brandy and...serious stuff.
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The Stones themselves seemed determined to mature.
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After the death of Brian Jones, they picked themselves up and went back on the road.
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For the band, it wasn't over yet.
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The Stones had been in serious decline at least three or four times,
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where, musically, they've been at a dead end
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and I don't know if it's Jagger or Richards or whoever,
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but someone has picked them up by the scruff
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and said, "OK, now we're going to be this."
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Oh, get down brown sugar
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Just like a young girl should
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Oh, get down, get down, brown sugar
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How come, how come, how come...
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If The Stones had discovered the secret of survival, at least for now, The Beatles didn't.
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As if to prove that longevity in rock and roll was still a struggle
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for a group of young men growing up together, they split in 1970.
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You know, I was a kid, I was a young kid
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and I saw the Beatles go to London
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and one meets Jane Asher and one meets Patti Boyd
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and then they stop hanging around together
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because you probably don't want to hang around with Ringo
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when you've got Patti Boyd or Jane Asher waiting, you know what I mean?
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So, I was there. They hung out together, seriously.
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They'd be in the dressing room behind at Top of the Pops,
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writing Paperback Writer, two of them, you know, two lads,
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and bit by bit they were separated by their careers and the money
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and they moved to another city, they weren't exposed to the same... You see it all the time.
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You know, people make it and they leave behind what it was that made them what they are.
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I mean, Paul McCartney, it was a very gentle slope down, if you like.
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Lennon never really recovered from Primal Therapy.
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Even Harrison, who had been desperate to get out of the Beatles,
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once there were no Beatles to compete against, somehow,
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didn't seem to have anything to compete with.
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The Fab Four would go on to enjoy successful solo careers for many years to come.
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But would the surge of creativity that fed them in their youth
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prove more elusive for them and their generation as they grew older?
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Mick Jagger and Pete Townshend and Paul McCartney can go play arenas 40 years after they first had hits.
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Great.
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But...they ain't writing good songs. You know.
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The outpouring of creativity that creates this career
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is a factor of youth.
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I don't think it's depressing to admit
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that you're probably going to do your best stuff
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by the time you're 30 as a musician.
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I think most people get it right in their first and second albums.
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Something tells me I'm into something good
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It's rare that beyond that, people don't just do another version of the same stuff.
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Something good Oh yeah, something good...
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You don't need the hardening of the synapse to be a great musician,
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you know, or to write a good song.
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No performer of the early 70s demonstrated rock and roll's
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reliance on youthful invention and raw power more than Iggy Pop.
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As I'm older,
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I don't think I can write a rock song like I used to.
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I can sing it good.
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I can sing one of my own songs better than anybody else,
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but to write a new one, it is hard to get them that good
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because you don't have the animal energy to work with.
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You don't have the same amount of animal energy.
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I find. I'm being honest.
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But not all rock and roll of the early 70s was an expression
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of sexual energy and youthful physicality.
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By now, prog rock was plundering the classical music collections
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so beloved of its middle class parents
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as proof of its intention to last,
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while its perpetrators contemplated careers beyond the age of 30.
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I remember when I started in the 60s and doing things.
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People said, "What are you going to do when you're in your 20s?"
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I said, "Don't know".
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And then when you're still doing it in your 20s, they say,
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"What are you going to do in your 30s"? I said, "I don't know".
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Then you find you're in your 30s and people say, "What are you going to do in your 40s? You go,
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"There's a reasonable chance I could still be doing this".
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As a result, performers found themselves living with their songs and growing into their material.
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I go through stages where there's certain songs
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that it's, "Oh, no, I cant do that again".
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And then, I've been doing it so long, it goes around in a circle
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and it comes back into fashion again, you know.
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We Got To Get Out Of This Place has been, like, so successful at different times and spaces.
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It was the most successful song that troops requested constantly for 10 years in Vietnam.
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We got to get out of this place, baby
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If it's the last thing we ever do...
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And then it faded away and went away again.
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And then Iraq, all the troops requested We Got To Get Out Of This Place.
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We got to get out of this place...
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It's a written in the contract. "We want him to come down here
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"but he's got to sing We Got To Get Out Of This Place".
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It's written in the contract. It's weird.
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And there's a wonderful, wonderful version by Joni Mitchell
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of a song that she did when she was young, Both Sides Now.
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It's an eye wateringly wonderful song.
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Bows and flows of angel hair
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And ice cream castles in the air...
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And she sang it began in her 50s, I think about an octave lower, with an orchestra.
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I've looked at clouds that way
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But now they only block the sun...
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It's so moving because you think it's taken her three decades
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and now she understands the song she wrote when she was in her youth.
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So many things I would have done
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But clouds got in my way
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I've looked at clouds from both sides now
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From up and down and still somehow
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It's cloud illusions I recall
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I really don't know clouds
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At all.
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In 1976, before the 60s generation had a chance to mature,
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they were rudely thrust aside by punk.
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Either you make a punk record or we don't know what to do.
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You have to just pack up, go, go and do something else.
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It was a three-chord reign of terror. The ultimate Oedipal act,
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snarling, spitting and clawing its way to the stage.
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It was best to just keep a low profile for a while.
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These weren't kids of the optimistic 60s, but a new, young generation who felt abandoned.
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Everyone was in their way, and, as always, no-one understood them.
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- I know what I would do with them.
- What would you do with them?
- Give them a bloody good hiding.
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I went to the Roxy Club when I was about 16,
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which was the big punk club, and there was a band on called Eater.
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I think the average age of them was 14.
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So, yeah, there was a definite feeling that it was a time for young people.
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Punk represented the kind of reckless joy
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that I remembered that we had at that age, when we were young.
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That recklessness of youth, I think, is a great, valuable contribution of new youth culture.
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You think, "Blimey, I've forgotten to be that brave."
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When punk came along, I felt too old.
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I thought, I can't pretend the Beatles never happened.
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I don't think music began with Siouxsie and the Banshees.
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All of the main people in punk, John Lydon, The Sex Pistols,
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The Clash, The Damned, they had a big thing for the Rolling Stones.
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Joe Strummer, huge fan of the Stones.
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The Who, all those groups, they loved them.
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It was just a pose on their part to say, you know, they're passed it.
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No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones...
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One of the problems is, when you're young, you're part of that group.
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You run things.
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It's very easy to forget that coming up underneath is the next lot and then one day, you sort of, like,
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fall of the end of the cliff and drop down and they take over
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and when you look back up at the cliff, you think,
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"Oh, shit, is this what's going on"? What happens is,
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they'll just pelt stuff down. They'll just drop rocks on you.
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No more heroes any more No more heroes any more...
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I suppose it was an easy target in those big punk rock groups.
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They just were, because, if you had no money and you were playing in your local pub,
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you weren't going to be wearing a great big cape and have 44 keyboards, of course.
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Now you see punks who are 40 years old, plus,
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and time is a great leveller and you look at these guys
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who've still got the sort of things through their nose and stuff
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but, you know, time has made them more mature
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and given them some perspective on who they are as human beings.
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I sort of like that. I think that's nice.
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I like to see old punks. It warms my heart.
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This should've been our next single, but they wouldn't play it on the radio.
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It's called Too Much, Too Young.
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You done too much, much too young
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You're married with a kid When you could be having fun with me
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Oh, no, no gimme no more pickni.
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The bands of the post-punk era, though less dismissive of the past,
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still believed that rock and pop music were part of an essentially young experience.
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Only now, that experience was of Thatcher's Britain,
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one that the older generation of established bands seemed to ignore.
471
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,800
When I was 16, my favourite act was Elvis Costello,
472
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,680
and you're just talking about five years' difference.
473
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,120
It's big when you're young.
474
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,120
So he seemed like an old geezer to me
475
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,920
and I don't think that it was so much that you were looking for someone who had a similar age,
476
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,560
I think you were looking for someone that could speak for you, really.
477
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,920
When you're 14, you do think someone who is 28 is really old, and certainly 30 is way past it.
478
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,720
I think I remember saying at the time is, even when I wrote Baggy Trousers when I was probably about 19, saying,
479
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,160
"I will never sing this song when I'm 30, because I'll be too old".
480
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,360
The headmaster's had enough today
481
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,720
All the kids have gone away Gone to fight with next door's school
482
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,320
Every term, that is the rule
483
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,320
Sits alone and bends his cane Same old backsides again
484
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,840
All the small ones tell tall tales
485
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,640
Walking home and squashing snails...
486
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,200
But no, the feeling was that if you were over 25,
487
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,160
you were too old to be in a band, certainly when I started.
488
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,040
Oh what fun we had But at the time it seemed so bad
489
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,960
Trying different ways to make a difference to the days...
490
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,240
I do believe I'm a better act older than I was younger.
491
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:43,120
That doesn't mean to say that you haven't already written the best song you're going to write,
492
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,120
but I think there's a greater depth to being a performer than just the writing part.
493
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,480
All I need was the love you gave
494
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,040
All I needed for another day
495
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,320
And all I ever knew
496
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Only you.
497
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,000
It's having a greater understanding of emotion, of sex,
498
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,280
of all of those things
499
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,240
that allow you to put a message across, or to communicate.
500
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:15,320
To communicate, I think, you know. I've become a better communicator.
501
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,280
In the early '80s, The Stones were back, again, having been absent from the stage for six years
502
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,520
while punk and its aftermath had been the centre of attention.
503
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,280
They were proving that they were in for the long haul.
504
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,480
No-one was going to call, "Time, gentlemen, please" on them.
505
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,880
Under my thumb
506
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,880
There's a woman
507
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,040
Who once had me down...
508
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,280
Knocking on 40. How old are you now?
509
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,120
I'm 38, so I'm not 40.
510
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Er, I think I could do this particular kind of physical show
511
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,120
for about another...say five years.
512
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,080
So, I said to myself last year,
513
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,040
I figure I can only do it for five years, this kind of show.
514
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,600
After that it's going to look like Barry Manilow,
515
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,120
or, I can still sing, but you know, I can't do all this other nonsense.
516
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,440
How would you feel if it suddenly all started to fade
517
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,880
and suddenly they'd had enough?
518
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,760
It doesn't happen like that, does it?
519
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:19,520
It sort of slowly, slowly they sink into oblivion.
520
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,280
It doesn't all stop and no-one comes, you know what I mean?
521
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,440
But I can understand your fears for me, but still,
522
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,440
you know, we'll soldier on, you know?
523
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Thank you. Good evening. It's so nice to be back.
524
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,440
In July 1985 the benefits of soldiering on
525
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,160
reached unexpected and unprecedented heights with Live Aid.
526
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,760
The international event sometimes looked like a rock and roll Dads Army
527
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,760
as acts like Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, The Who
528
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,320
and The Beach Boys joined pop stars of the '80s on stage.
529
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,040
Watched by more than 400 million viewers in 60 countries,
530
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,360
this was the rock and roll survivors' finest hour.
531
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,680
Suddenly, being 40 no longer meant being uncool.
532
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,200
These were the masters, the legends,
533
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,960
the acts deemed capable of feeding the world.
534
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Now some years ago within spitting distance of the stadium,
535
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,000
four Londoners formed a band to speak for their generation.
536
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,280
They eventually spoke for two. Now they sing to save a third.
537
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,560
Please welcome The Who!
538
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,800
The previous establishment, did come back in.
539
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,800
They did poke their heads above the parapet again.
540
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,640
And, of course, it was ideal for anybody that was still capable
541
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,520
of playing and singing from an older school.
542
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,280
What was your... Your opposition now was the New Romantics.
543
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,960
I mean, easy job.
544
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:05,760
I have the pleasure of introducing to you a group that's been together for 25 years.
545
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:12,320
A lot of young people heard some bands for the first time,
546
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,880
some older bands, and went, "These are fantastic!"
547
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,800
And then the most hated people in their musical vocabulary, their parents, said,
548
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,280
"We love them, too."
549
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,520
I'd like to welcome Alison Moyet!
550
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,920
I was picked up in a helicopter with Bono and David Bowie, which was, like, you know.
551
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,720
When I get out of the helicopter I've got Roger Daltrey waving at me
552
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:45,040
and Freddie Mercury blowing me kisses and it's like, these are, you know, bona fide stars.
553
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,640
I mean, these are the real deal, do you know what I mean?
554
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,360
And, um, so that was kind of a, blew me away, but maybe all it does,
555
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,600
putting those people back on the stage again,
556
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
is just reminding people that they really loved those acts.
557
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,640
Someone still loves you.
558
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:14,520
There were, of, course, no rules yet in place for how the older generation of rockers should behave.
559
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,760
How to grow old gracefully or disgracefully,
560
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,560
especially given their essentially youthful, often rebellious back catalogue.
561
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,360
The notion that an artist would be unsettled,
562
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,680
or even disturbed by the fact that having been a rebel in his youth
563
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:43,240
that he finds himself re-enacting it 10, 20, 30, 40 years thereafter
564
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:49,320
is, you know, an intellectual critic's construct that has no meaning in real life.
565
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:56,680
Real life happens in a series of nanoseconds that get strung out, you know, one after the other.
566
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,440
And moment by moment by moment...
567
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,040
people like to survive.
568
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,840
I mean, did these guys, you know, like their fathers, my father as well,
569
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:13,880
spend six years of the Second World War in a foxhole, you know, dodging bullets?
570
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,960
I mean, now that's something to survive, OK?
571
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,440
Taking a lot of drugs and lying on a ratty old mattress,
572
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,520
it's a lot easier to survive that.
573
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,000
I can see it in your eyes Take one look and die.
574
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:32,760
And survive they did, some despite the booze, the drugs
575
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,920
and a life spent almost entirely on the road. That's why we love them.
576
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,640
Motorhead's Lemmy may not have had to dodge bullets,
577
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,520
but by any reasonable standards he should be dead.
578
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:56,200
I've been on the road now, man and boy, for almost three years. I'm actually only 17.
579
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,840
I mean there's some days you don't feel like it as much as others,
580
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,520
but I'm sure that's much the same in plumbing, you know?
581
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,480
Some days you don't feel like standing up to your arse in cold water, you know?
582
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,360
Do you think it's a bit weird though?
583
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,480
There was all that, you know, live fast, die young thing in rock music earlier on.
584
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,560
A lot of them did, you know. It's fair enough. I didn't think of much of a plan really.
585
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:23,240
You know, I thought live fast, keep going. Much more fun.
586
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,320
My hair is not having a good day already.
587
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,640
I dye my hair. I don't understand why people keep their hair grey.
588
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,880
You're all right. Look at the job you're in. You're not in my job,
589
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,680
you know what I mean? I'm talking about people in my job.
590
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,320
There are people that get on stage and it looks like, I don't know,
591
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,840
Rip Van Winkle times four, you know?
592
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,240
But the lifestyle isn't a great one for surviving.
593
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,280
- It depends on how you approach it.
- How have you approached it?
594
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200
From the side, usually.
595
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,880
On tiptoe, so it doesn't know you're there
596
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,680
and then you get your hands round the throat.
597
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,040
I, you know, I just, you have to be careful about what's offered,
598
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,880
you know? You can't do it all cos it'll kill you.
599
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:14,360
But, as I say, some people... are in the basket weavers hotel and some of us aren't, you know?
600
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:21,280
Do you think in the '60s people just thought, well, we don't care cos we don't want to get old anyway?
601
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160
There was a sense of that, but then again,
602
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,200
you don't know if you want to get old until you get almost old.
603
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,480
That's when you decide on that one. "Oh, it doesn't look so bad now!"
604
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,240
- How is it possible to do what you do?
- How is it possible to stop?
605
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,120
It's what I am, you know? It's what I am, it's not what I do any more.
606
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,960
A long time ago it became what I am.
607
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:56,640
What had begun with Live Aid in the '80s continued into the '90s with projects like War Child.
608
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,920
Performers from three generations of rock and roll, Paul McCartney, Paul Weller and Noel Gallagher,
609
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:10,040
came together to record Come Together in the new spirit of multi-generational tolerance.
610
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:15,800
It was no longer a case of "my generation", but "your generation, too".
611
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,520
Come together
612
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,200
Right now
613
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,880
Over me.
614
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,480
Over me
615
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,120
Over me.
616
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,240
It wasn't only on stage that this spirit was at work.
617
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,960
Audiences for the music also began to span generations.
618
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Every major band I know that reformed
619
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,240
said that if they had a pound for every time someone came along
620
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,000
and said, "There's two generations of the family here"
621
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:51,280
or "Three generations. There's the grandchildren, my kids and the wife and I."
622
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,760
And it's the only thing they've got in common. It's the only thing that links them together.
623
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,280
They're as old as your parents, but they don't exactly look or behave like them.
624
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,760
Rock and roll survivors can't act their age.
625
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,880
It just wouldn't work.
626
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,120
Now last year I was 21
627
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,600
I didn't have a lot of fun
628
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,920
Now I'm going to be 22
629
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,480
Well I say oh, my and boo-hoo
630
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Now I'm going to be 22
631
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,480
Oh my, boo-hoo.
632
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,640
It's just, this has been the most comfortable and free part of my life
633
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,440
and I suppose this is the only part of my life
634
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,760
in which I've attained possession of all the cliches
635
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,760
that young rock stars are supposed to have.
636
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,040
Beautiful sexy chick, long legs, check.
637
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,360
A fantastic hot convertible car, check.
638
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,120
House in the country, check.
639
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,760
Place in the islands, check.
640
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Really good band, check. Fans, check.
641
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,600
So, you know, so what if my knee hurts?
642
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,000
I don't give a fuck! I don't care.
643
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,640
Yeah.
644
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,360
It's the travelling that's the bad part, you know, especially today.
645
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,160
But the thing is is that you put up with that
646
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,720
and you make sure you've got a good book
647
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:40,120
and you do your homework for the next gig
648
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:46,600
and you get up and walk around and moan and groan about your breaking back
649
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,600
and then when you get off and take a pill, fall asleep and wake up and you're in Budapest!
650
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,800
Hey-hey, you know. You get over it.
651
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,880
You're just swept along with it, you know,
652
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,520
until you either fry or sometimes die.
653
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,360
I love you only
654
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,040
I never have thought about any other woman
655
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,400
Any other woman no...
656
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,080
I don't practise. I don't rehearse.
657
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,840
Some foolish thing Some simple thing I've done, girl!
658
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,840
I'm not a home going, "La, da, de, da, da", you know.
659
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,200
Oh, please don't let me be misunderstood...
660
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,040
My voice is right there when I call it up,
661
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,840
- it's
- never, ever not
- there.
662
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,920
We do think it's kind of peculiar that Mick Jagger
663
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,480
still snakes across the stage doing that wriggly hip dance.
664
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,200
You then, you look at the body and then you look at the face
665
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,280
and there's a kind of moment of disconnect.
666
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,920
But there's also a sort of, "Wow, gosh, well, that's great", you know.
667
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,640
He's 67 and he's still able to do that.
668
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,080
I think Mick Jagger is a better performer nowadays than he was in the '70s.
669
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,320
He goes out there and he really pulls out the stops.
670
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,520
He's an amazing performer,
671
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,600
and it's the same with Iggy. I mean, you're dealing with great performers.
672
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,520
You're dealing with some of the greatest performers of the 20th century.
673
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,840
It's one of those things that when you think about it a lot,
674
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,600
the more you think about it actually the odder it gets
675
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,120
that you're singing Let's Spend The Night Together and you're 67.
676
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,840
There's an uncomfortableness, I suppose, that people feel
677
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,280
when they think that somebody is, er, acting,
678
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:58,800
or their act asks you to pretend that they're still young.
679
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,960
I mean, there's nobody in the world that us old lefties admire more than Arthur Scargill,
680
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,040
but as his personal advisers we would have said, "Ditch the haircut."
681
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,600
And in the same way I think that Arthur Scargill and Mick Jagger have a similar,
682
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,000
create a similar slightly embarrassing frisson.
683
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,480
I'll see you in my dreams
684
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Hold you in my dreams...
685
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:37,200
I'll do anything that is actually applicable to a 68 year-old bloke
686
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,240
cos I've seen bands go out there and they just think they are teenagers.
687
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:45,720
They just go out performing teenage songs and they're old men
688
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,560
and I think it's undignified, you know?
689
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,240
Know what I mean? How can you do that?
690
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,600
How can you wear leather trousers when you're incontinent?
691
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,240
You can't get them off quick enough.
692
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,160
Especially when the wigs are all doing that!
693
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,720
..Were mine
694
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,360
Tender eyes that shine...
695
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:19,400
One particular song of mine that I don't perform called That's What Love Will Do.
696
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,920
It's all about a bloke sitting up the back row of the pictures with his 18 year-old bird.
697
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,400
I keep reminding myself I haven't been up the back row of the pictures
698
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:33,200
with an 18-year-old bird since I was, what? 18.
699
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,680
I think as you get older, you should be reflecting, you know,
700
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,200
just as a film-maker would reflect or a poet would reflect or a novelist would reflect, your age.
701
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,600
You should be, I think.
702
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,360
Well come and do your worst, boy That's the way, that's the way
703
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,640
Hit me where it hurts, boy That's the way, that's the way
704
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Come and do worst, boy That's the way, that's the way
705
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,640
But I'll never give it up I'll never give it up...
706
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,120
I write more songs about death, about losing friends.
707
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:11,320
I mean, you just can't help it. It's, er, death isn't that far ahead, you know?
708
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,160
It's closer than looking back the other way at this point.
709
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,200
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
710
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,120
While many acts soldiered on regardless,
711
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,720
others had slipped from view into semi-retirement.
712
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:30,000
But the new millennium witnessed the entirely new phenomena of the revival and the comeback.
713
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:42,000
Leonard Cohen, now in his 70s, had already decided to stop recording and performing altogether.
714
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,640
At least, that was his plan.
715
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:51,960
Well he talks like this You don't know what he's after
716
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,240
When he speaks like this you don't know what he's after...
717
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:00,360
He goes to a Buddhist monastery
718
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,840
and retires from the world. He's never going to sing.
719
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,520
Beneath the bridge that they are building on some endless river...
720
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:15,200
While he's in the monastery, his manager steals all his money and he comes out and he's broke!
721
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,640
And, "What am I going to do?"
722
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,200
"You've got to go on the road, Leonard. That's what you've got to do."
723
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,560
- And now he turns up, he loves it.
724
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:29,520
You can hear the birds go by You can spend the night beside her
725
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,000
And you know she's half crazy
726
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,720
That's why you want to be there
727
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:39,240
And she feeds you tea and oranges
728
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,800
That come all the way from China...
729
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,520
He's making more money than God.
730
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,360
He's filling the O2 Arena for a week, or whatever it is,
731
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:54,640
and the Albert Hall for three nights and going and doing the same thing all over the world.
732
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,800
You've always been her lover.
733
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,280
And you can just tell by looking at this he's like a pig in shit!
734
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,480
He's just loving it.
735
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,360
It's like, "Why didn't anybody tell me I could have fun doing this?"
736
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Audiences who had grown up and grown old with their heroes wanted them back.
737
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,240
Age had invested their favourite bands with a new authenticity.
738
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:27,640
Performers couldn't believe their luck.
739
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,840
Even Brian Wilson returned from the wilderness to be a Beach Boy once again.
740
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,280
And God only knows what I'd be without you.
741
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,960
Here's one called God Only Knows.
742
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,080
It was like the zeitgeist, understood.
743
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,840
"Ah, OK. That's how you do it."
744
00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:01,160
You get the personality of the most important person who wrote the songs, who did the singing.
745
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,520
You put them in front. You've got a bunch of young virtuosi
746
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,520
to fill in the rest of the parts.
747
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,480
You don't worry about trying to get the rhythm guitar player out of rehab.
748
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,560
You just, you know, get the best young kids you can
749
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,200
and go out there and do it exactly the way it was on the record.
750
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,720
The world could show nothing to me...
751
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:34,040
You've got to have been away for quite a bit.
752
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,120
Have not done particularly much
753
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,600
and at the same time have a lot of myth around you.
754
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,240
Did he have psychedelic drugs and went off his head?
755
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,440
Did he write all that stuff?
756
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,520
Did he do it all himself? So, you know, there's a great big mystery surrounding the man.
757
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,000
He looked like Brian Wilson in some strange way.
758
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,280
Brian looked like a deer in the headlights, but he did everything and he was great.
759
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,520
A lot of the people that are of my age group that go to see these groups,
760
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,760
they want to be transported back to a time when they were young.
761
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,560
They want that. I could give a toss about being young.
762
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,560
Being young just got me into trouble.
763
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,520
The struggles of youth, you know. I mean, they're overrated.
764
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,880
This whole talk of youth, youth, youth, it's overrated.
765
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,640
Being a young just isn't that hot any more.
766
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,480
That's what it is.
767
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,640
Cos when you're 15
768
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,800
And somebody tells you they love you
769
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,720
You're going to believe them...
770
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:43,680
But the struggles of youth still find their most perfect expression in music.
771
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,680
The pop business is now younger than ever.
772
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,560
Kids are singing to kids again,
773
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,640
and the market has refocussed its attentions on young girls as its main consumers.
774
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,360
Baby, no
775
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Baby, baby, baby, oh...
776
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,520
It's a wrinkle-free Disneyfied world populated by beautiful performers.
777
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,200
Like their predecessors,
778
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,640
they're probably thinking that they won't be singing
779
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,880
about the problems of being 15 when they're 64.
780
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,560
But stranger things have already happened.
781
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,840
Thought you'd always be mine.
782
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,360
A hit or a miss?
783
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,120
There they are. They've said undoubtedly it's a...
784
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,000
All right. On to the next.
785
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,840
When McCartney, Dylan and The Stones
786
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:36,920
and Paul Simon and Crosby, Stills and Nash are unable to play any more,
787
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:44,040
when that generation goes, will classic rock continue, or will that be the end of it?
788
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,600
Or will people be sitting around in, you know, aquatic shopping malls
789
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,040
in 200 years time listening to Comfortably Numb?
790
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,920
I mean it's just, I don't know. Wait and see.
791
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,840
I haven't seen my birth certificate in years.
792
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,560
Get a life! Get swiftcovered.
793
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,440
Rock and roll is now revelling in a long life.
794
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,800
What was about risk and youth is now about enjoying a grand old age.
795
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:17,680
It's about longevity, survival, nostalgia and refusing to grow up, give up or shut up.
796
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,040
You ain't playing soccer for Manchester United when you're 64,
797
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,120
but you can play the stadiums when you're 64 in a rock band.
798
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,280
You really can.
799
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,080
Hank and I are on the way to 69.
800
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,360
And every night we're laughing, I'm looking across at Hank and thinking,
801
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,240
"I've been playing with him for 52 years. Since I was, you know."
802
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:44,040
You're looking across and he's laughing and me and we're doing a solo or something
803
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,840
and we're bouncing off each other and I think, "This is unbelievable, this is."
804
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:54,960
Move it, move it, move it Move it, move it, move it
805
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,880
Move it, move it, move it.
806
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,880
I would never have quit.
807
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,640
That's the only attitude that's going to work,
808
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:10,440
and for a real artist it's that you're just not going to do anything else.
809
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,600
You're just not.
810
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:18,520
Why stop now when I have the best band that I've had in a long time?
811
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,080
That's my job, innit?
812
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,360
It's a job.
813
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,080
I signed up for it, I've got to do it, you know?
814
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,080
One, two, three, four.
815
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,160
I would like to live to a ripe old age because, er,
816
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:41,520
I've already said to my missus that after I've been burnt and slung somewhere
817
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:49,880
that if there's a gravestone anywhere it just has to read, "This isn't fair, I've not finished yet."
818
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,800
Did your dreams die young?
819
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,200
Were they too hard work?
820
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,280
I've got about three years to go before I become a living legend.
821
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:07,880
They give you a special pass for the buses and things.
822
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,320
But suddenly your fee doubles and, um...
823
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:16,240
and people start noticing all that work you've been doing for years.
824
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,800
Non, rien de rien...
825
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,560
There was this movie came out just recently about Edith Piaf
826
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:30,680
and that put me on fire again and made me realise, like her,
827
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:37,560
please let me get to the stage just one more time!
828
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,880
And if you fuckers out there, if you've come to see me die,
829
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,120
well, it's not going to be tonight!
830
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:51,600
Forever young
831
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:58,360
Forever young
832
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:06,400
May you stay
833
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,840
Forever young. 76414
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