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I came in contact with a woman there
and we got talking.

She was speaking about God and Jesus.

Suddenly, she says,
"This never would have happened

if the Bride of Christ was here."

So I said,
"Really? Where is she, then?"

And she answers,
"The Bride of Christ is in London."

"But what would she do
if she was here in Knutby?"

She says, "She lives over there." And
she points to a house further down.

We're rolling. Yes.

-We're in London right now.
-I'm zooming in.

In Kingsway Hall, on Queen Street.
We're at the hotel.

Peter Gembäck phones and says

that Alexandra has been shot
and Daniel has been shot.

So now anything could happen.

Is there someone here in London
that might shoot Åsa?

I remember that day, I was...
I was paranoid.

I was absolutely terrified
of everything.

I suspected that everything
was some kind of plot

or that there might be someone
that would shoot Åsa,

or something like that.

I told myself I needed to say calm.
I needed to think rationally.

We believed that Åsa would die.
But Alexandra? It was the wrong sister.

It's not...
The whole thing is so twisted.

Åsa was going to be with Jesus.
That was our top priority.

-Emergency 112. How may I help you?
-I don't know.

I just came in.
There's blood everywhere.

In Knutby.

Shock and despair spread
throughout the little town of Knutby.

The murder of a young woman and
the attempted murder of her neighbor

is in stark contrast
to this quiet, peaceful community.

It's one of the most bizarre criminal
cases in Sweden in modern time.

A web of religion,
sex and cruel, callous murder

unprecedented in the judicial history
of Sweden.

Who is the driving force
behind all of this?

It's an important piece of evidence
that has been manipulated.

It plants seeds of doubt
among the public.

Is this what actually happened?

This is a difficult time,
but we believe in God.

We're here for one another.
We're not giving up.

The murder trial of the pastor
and the nanny began this morning.

The nanny confessed to the murder
of the pastor's wife.

Together with strong
forensic evidence,

prosecutors have decided to charge her
with murder and attempted murder.

Prosecutors say the pastor
incited her to murder

and are therefore charging him
with instigating murder in both cases.

-What sentence will you demand?
-A life sentence.

The fact is,
this case is about murder.

It concerns the defendants,
Sara Svensson and Helge Fossmo.

Whether or not
the congregation in Knutby

is a hierarchical sect
that brainwashes its members,

or if Åsa Waldau believes
she's the Bride of Christ

are issues that I think have little
to do with the crimes committed.

The police and prosecutor know

that Åsa Waldau is known
as the Bride of Christ.

It is not known exactly
how much power she has.

But she is a central figure.
Leif Spånbo knows this.

He wants to interview her,
but isn't given the opportunity.

-I didn't realize that.
-Neither did I.

A high-ranking policeman
in this investigation,

at the top level, that they're at odds

as to how this investigation
should be conducted.

Did you take any other action
as regards the Bride of Christ?

No, she was interviewed once more.
We wanted to know

who drove them to Arlanda Airport
on January 8

when they were flying to London.

Even though you knew
that this might be a sect

you let the matter rest?
Åsa's telephone wasn't tapped...

No, she was not suspected
of any crime.

God comes to us through our salvation
and when we're free from sin,

but God can't give us everything
that He wants to give us

unless we give ourselves to the Lord.
Cleanse...

I'll read from the Book of Isaiah 58.

When did the Knutby story begin,
as you see it?

It starts when Kim Wincent
and Per-Arne Waldau

travel to Uppsala
and bring Åsa Waldau to Knutby.

Why do you think it starts there?

Because prior to that it was just
an ordinary Pentecostal congregation.

But after that it began to change
and became something else,

that is the Knutby sect
that we know today.

Rigmor Robért,
you meet a lot of people

with connections
to the Knutby congregation.

How did you come in contact
with these people?

I wrote an article that was published
on Holy Thursday, 2004,

a few months after the murder
and attempted murder.

After that article was published,
relatives contacted me.

The staff at the Knutby school
and former members contacted me

and they all said the same thing.

"What you're saying is something
that we recognize from inside."

I had understood something
about Åsa Waldau

as regards her personality.

This dream of marrying Jesus

and the position of importance
it gave her in the congregation.

She outwardly denied things

that members
of the congregation had to cover up

so they became part
of these double standards.

This went on right up to 2016
when the congregation was dissolved.

First of all, I believe
that God speaks through me

in order to help others.

It's not like I'm saying,
"God is speaking."

If a person is in need,

I think that God very often speaks
and that can be...

I very seldom use the phrase,
"So says the Lord"

but I know when God wants
to say something to a person.

He wants to say, "You need this."

Or "This is the path,"
or what's right and wrong.

If I speak God's words,
I'm not expecting,

"Oh, how great you are!
You speak God's words."

I'm just happy to receive a message
from God, that I understand God.

She was a colorful character.
Her teachings were challenging

in a way I hadn't experienced before.

She gave the impression that
she knew what she was talking about.

There was never any doubt
in what she had to say.

A person who reaches the point,
"I do not need to be corrected,"

is actually at a point
where they need to be corrected.

It was really inspiring,

that God was so close every day.

It wasn't just on Sundays,
He was there every day, all the time.

And everyone wanted to live
as purely and holy as possible.

I do not demand
that anyone does what I say,

but I expect them to,
and sure, it's tough.

If you say that you believe,
then I expect you to be true to that.

She talks a lot about
what she calls purity.

What's wrong, what's right
and how to live our lives.

That was very much her hallmark.

If you see something in yourself
that's wrong,

then you should deal with it or...
things like that.

I believe that love is to say,
"That's not the way to live your life."

I do not demand
that anyone should change.

But if I see that someone is taking
the wrong path for some reason,

then I don't mince my words
and I'm not afraid to do that.

When I look back,
there's one thing that I realize today.

It was a warning signal back then.

I remember when we were standing
in the chapel kitchen.

She looked me straight in the eye
and said,

"If you move here it will be for life."

I didn't take it seriously
at the time,

but I thought about it afterwards.
She told me then.

And she meant it.

"In the depth of my being, my love
for you was born, beautiful and pure.

You look at me and I surrender.
When I close my eyes you are there.

A queen's glory. Beautiful all through.
Created to be by my side always."

Has she written this down as if
Jesus said these words to her?

Yes, but it's a prophecy.
This is what awaits her.

Åsa says that Jesus
has started calling her Tirsa.

It says here, "Tirsa, you are
the loveliest in creation."

"Do not fear.
I have everything in my hand."

"Would I let you go? Never."

Then this goes on into something
of a more sexual nature.

Then Åsa starts describing
what Jesus will do with her

when they meet, that is.

"I long to touch you
and satisfy your desires.

I want to make love to you,
give you the love you deserve."

I want to caress you gently.

You will reach a much
higher level of pleasure.

It is, in truth,
a splendorous cascade."

-This term, Bride of Christ.
-Yes... Sorry.

Well, you may laugh,
but there are many who say

that you are the one that coined
that phrase concerning Åsa.

No, however I'm the one
who was responsible for teaching

that the congregation
is not the Bride of Jesus.

This is what is very...

Was it the spring of '99?
Helge asks us to come by.

He wanted to share something
that God had revealed to him.

Before we even got there,
we had this feeling,

"We're going to experience
something special. What can it be?"

So he started by telling us
that everyone is loved by God.

God loves every individual, 100%.

But God has favorites.

There are people
that he loves more than others.

And after he held
this 45-60 minute briefing,

he explained
that God had revealed to him

that Åsa was elected
for something special.

We didn't know what.
We just know that this was so.

And then we were sent home,
more or less

to pray for this, to ask God
and wait and see.

And we will find out
what is true and what is false.

My only prayer

is that in this message
we have received

it will become visible to us
who God is.

And then I'll be happy when I see
how we stand before Him.

And love him.

There are interpretations
in the Bible

that suggest that
the Bride is a human being.

That she existed,
that she would come and so on.

Not all traditional Christianity
says that it's a congregation.

And the Bible
definitely doesn't say that.

I think it started when I felt
that I would like to buy a ring

that would serve as a sign for myself

that I promised to be faithful to God.

I remember that I said
it would be like an engagement.

I hope that I'm not terribly wrong
when I say

that I think
I actually bought that ring.

That was when I, before God,

have this moment of...
a confirmation of what I believed.

The ring represents a covenant
with God and Helge is with me.

It's, "Holy cow, the congregation
is the Bride of Christ".

The accepted norm within
the Pentecostal movement

is that the congregation
is the Bride of Christ.

And that's not strange,
because Paul says,

"I have betrothed you
as a virgin with Christ."

So what Paul says is,
the congregation is a bride.

But Helge gets stuck into Psalm 45.

And Psalm 45 has a huge impact
on the whole Knutby situation.

It doesn't say congregation in
the Bible. That's an interpretation.

And then it's described as a wedding

between what is very clearly Jesus
and a bride.

I've had one theory
and it's the classical one

that the congregation is the bride,

but we discovered
that this was not the case.

She gave Helge Fossmo the task

of finding out everything
about the bride.

And Helge Fossmo
was very compliant.

They were very close at that time.

He understood what she wanted
and he had this trait

in their relationship,
he wanted to make her happy.

"Yes, maybe that's it!"
This amazement.

So they had this very
special and strange

and actually unhappy,
closeness to each other.

The truth is,
we are not the Bride of Jesus.

Jesus is not going to marry
millions of men and women.

We are wedding guests at a wedding.

Well, maybe Jesus is going to marry.

Maybe there is a queen.
Maybe there is a physical person.

And as far as we know
this is what he said to Åsa.

"If the bride is a human being
then it must be you."

I don't think Åsa Waldau would
have ended up where she is

if she didn't have Helge Fossmo
by her side.

And I don't think that Helge Fossmo
would have ended up where he is

if he hadn't met Åsa Waldau.

They were like pouring petrol on a fire
for each other, I think.

UPPSALA DISTRICT COURT

Take it easy.

The court was shown
a crime reconstruction video

of how the nanny
shot her victims in Knutby.

This caused the nanny to break down
and leave the courtroom in tears.

I go inside and close
the door carefully,

but leave it open just a little bit.

I don't close the door fully.

And in my pocket I've got...

I have four extra bullets.

I've also got my asthma inhaler
and a torch.

I have my mobile phone. I have
my galoshes that I left outside

and I've got extra gloves.

I hold the revolver in my left hand.

My right hand is free.

When I come into the utility room,
I listen to see if it's quiet.

And then I walk slowly...

towards the utility room door
that was closed.

I open it slowly and quietly.

Everyone likes Sara.

She's a really charming, funny,
intelligent and forward girl.

And she's very... How do I put it?

She's very eager to please.

She's always willing to help
and she's very caring.

It must have been
around 2000, 2001,

Sara is given a more prominent role.

Not in the congregation,
I wouldn't say that,

but in relation to Åsa
and Helge especially.

She becomes a person
that somehow...

I won't say she swallows it,

but she takes this Bride
of Christ idea very seriously

and takes a strong position
on it in relation to Åsa.

Which means that she's given a role

that places her close
to Åsa and Helge.

Helge has...
Ever since I moved there,

he has been very spiritual,
if I can put it that way.

Spectacular things happen around him.

And he took on this role
like a warrior in battle.

A battle for...
If Åsa really is the Bride of Christ,

if there are people for this
there will be forces against it.

If this is what perfects creation

that Jesus gets his woman,
then the Devil's spiritual power

will get in the way of her
reaching her destination.

And Sara joined him in that quest.

This is all positive at first,

but slowly and surely...
You get the feeling

that Sara overtakes Åsa
at one stage.

Åsa is very happy
that Sara and Helge pray

and embark on a spiritual quest
for Åsa.

But soon it's not about Åsa anymore.

Helge is saying it's about
something more important.

Åsa becomes jealous.
If there's one thing you should avoid,

it's making Åsa jealous.

If she gets jealous...
the gates of hell open.

All of a sudden
Sara became wrong.

Åsa says that she is wrong.

She has become a temptress.

She's no longer the person
she used to be.

Åsa created a theology on this.

Prior to this, Sara had been
a support for Helge.

But now Sara was a temptation
that Helge would have to overcome.

Sara fell into disfavor with Åsa.

Falling into disfavor with Åsa means
everyone else turns against you too.

Everyone else did the same.
We turned our backs on Sara.

She was with Helge.
He was good for her.

He took care of her
and anyway, she was wrong.

So we were active in creating

this void that she ended up in,
together with Helge.

That's when I think
she really fell apart

and everyone was against her.

GOD I BEG FOR MERCY!

MERCY!

Regarding the Bride...
we're waiting for the return of Jesus.

We believe that the world
will end one day.

I wish that I could say otherwise,
but I believe that.

I wish that everyone would believe
that too. That's all that I long for.

We're living in the last time.
Our time here is soon over.

Jesus will return.

If you have lost your way, if you're
on the wrong side of the person,

who's entering a union with Him,
you're pretty much finished.

This means that you are lost
when your time here is over.

You don't have much time left
to change.

What happens if it's too late?

You've completely missed the point.
You'll end up in hell.

I mean it when I say that it was
a matter of life and death.

You want to go to heaven.
That was the whole objective.

Åsa Waldau didn't say in court
that she was the Bride of Christ.

Neither did she say what her role was.

The police and prosecutor
don't seem interested.

They say it has nothing to do with it.

But on the other hand,
it's not surprising,

because this is
all pretty complicated,

but it's possible to grasp
at the trial.

Helge Fossmo conspired
to murder his wife

and his mistress's husband.
He got Sara Svensson to shoot them.

Åsa Waldau's sister Alexandra
is found murdered.

And she's actually in London.

As for the police and prosecutor,
she's a victim with an alibi.

Absolutely,
but even if she was in London,

she's always here.

The leader of the congregation.
Bride of Christ.

She's the most important person
on earth for all of these people.

Every waking second,
every breath they take, is for her.

She permeates everything.

Åsa Waldau's power relationship

over Sara Svensson
hasn't been investigated.

And Åsa is still Sara's leader.

-But this power relationship?
-That has been investigated.

They came a long way with that.

Text messages, interviews,
phone calls.

There are police interviews
with these people

where they touch upon
the Bride of Christ,

but where all but one person is lying.

They all say, "We don't believe
in any Bride of Christ."

-So it's difficult, obviously.
-The question is, would they talk?

No, but there is one person
that they have gotten through to.

That is Sara.
She talked about Helge, her pastor.

It's a pity they didn't focus more

on Sara's relationship with Åsa
and ask more questions about that.

It was like reading
from a horror novel

when the nanny
gave her crucial testimony.

The pastor followed the proceedings
from another room,

as his presence might interfere
with the nanny's testimony.

Tell the court about
what happened in Vaggeryd.

Okay.

While I was in Vaggeryd, I received
an anonymous text message.

This is what the message said,

"It could have been over in 12 hours,
but it's still not too late for you.

Before the 25th,
you can still set him and her free.

A high price, yes. You can do it."

For the protocol, Your Honor,
can you say what she's reading from?

She's still reading
from her own notes.

He wasn't allowed in the courtroom

when Sara gave
her extremely long testimony,

which she had written down
in great detail, like a long story.

She felt that his presence
would affect her.

What amazed me was the number
of details in her testimony.

She had written down
the minutest details,

to even the sound of snow
under her shoe.

This may sound like I was very naive

and perhaps I was,
but I have to say that Helge...

He really played the part.

He explained to me
that this was the path I had to take.

I had to kill Alexandra.
I had to carry this out.

I believed him. I trusted Helge.

And you see,
if you've lived so close to someone

and all you've seen is love,
you've only heard good words...

And I asked him, "Did you send
those text messages to me?"

And Helge became angry,
"How could you accuse me?"

So I trusted him.

PSYCHIATRIC REPORT

While she's under interrogation,
prior to the trial,

Sara is also undergoing
a forensic psychiatric evaluation.

She is deemed mentally ill eventually,
isn't that right?

The 26-year-old woman has undergone

a minor forensic
psychiatric evaluation.

She was suffering
from a serious mental condition

at the time of the crimes.

"You get the impression
she's willing to please.

She's easy to control. She doesn't seem
to have an inner self, an identity."

This is interesting too.

"It seems that Sara Svensson's
obvious ability to please others

works too
in the interrogation situation.

And the normality we see is a mirror
image of the environment she's in."

This is interesting
because it means it's not specific

to Sara and the Knutby environment.

-Then she sees the psychologists.
-Yes.

-She tells them what they want to hear.
-Yes.

This is going on while
she is under interrogation.

She's in a different environment
for a period of three or four months.

Yes.

You wonder, does she behave
the same way there?

Is she giving the police the answers
that she thinks they want to hear?

I've read the three police interviews.
The police say at one point,

"Did you call him?"

They want to find who did what.

She says, "I don't remember exactly,
but I say I can't do it and I turn back.

I remember that I call him
and tell him that."

"Not according to our phone records."
"Okay."

"Mm, are you sure
you remember correctly?"

"No, I'm guessing.
But if it was explained to me,

then maybe I'd remember correctly.
I can't really say."

"According to our phone records,
Helge called you."

"Mm, okay.
Well, then that's how it was."

It's quite unsettling
when you read it like that.

Can one be delusional
and still speak the truth?

Yes, I'm convinced that one can.

In my opinion,
her testimony is credible.

We've been able to verify quite a lot.

Interrogating officers
were at first surprised

that she could commit murder.

She's kind-hearted,
nice, gentle, warm.

And somehow
she has done something that...

She committed a crime
that she has confessed to.

I think a lot of people
find this hard to believe.

There isn't a lot of time left...

Sara was both under interrogation

and undergoing a psychiatric evaluation
at the same time.

Did that influence
your view of her at all?

No.

Some of the interviews were conducted
in conjunction with the evaluation.

Okay. Yes, that's...
Yes, that's possible.

Could one have influenced
the other,

the psychiatric evaluation conducted
at the same time as the interrogation?

Isn't there a risk that they might
infect each other or get mixed up?

We don't know what
the forensic psychiatrists are doing.

They conduct their interviews
with her and we conduct ours.

We do our own thing.

Anton, you read from one of the three
interviews was in dialogue form,

but all the other interviews,
all 18, are summaries.

It's like the police have given their
own interpretation of what went on.

And I've found an example
from interview number 13.

It went on from 11:00 a.m.
until 16:30 p.m.

-Five and a half hours.
-Summarized in four pages.

We must remember that one hour
of interview equals about ten pages.

So this should be
roughly 55 pages long.

-Yes, and we've got four?
-We've got four.

That's what I call a summary.

We'll never know what went on
during those five and a half hours.

Well, Sara...

this revolver that you got to hold
before the crime scene reconstruction,

how does it feel
compared to the other one?

It feels heavier.

And bigger.

And then I receive
the next text message,

"You need to make your decision.
Don't think about if.

Find a safe solution.
You are proving your love

when you set him free. He needs that.
He has almost reached his limit."

Solution.
I have to find a safe solution.

I have to find a solution
that I can handle.

I didn't know how much
I could handle.

I'm small. I'm frail.

How am I supposed to find a solution
to bring Alexandra home?

And then Helge says, in passing,

"Well, you call sell your shares
and buy a weapon."

"You will prove your love
by releasing him.

He needs this.
He has almost reached his limit."

-What do you mean by that?
-Once again, I'm being pastoral.

Because this is...

The Book of Job tells us
that God always has his witness.

The Letter to the Romans tells us

that Jesus sits on the right hand
of the Father... Let me finish!

Sara says that she needs
to decide if it's a weapon.

I fully understand her explanation.

I know it's difficult
for you to understand.

You're not used to thinking
in Biblical terms.

I'll elaborate a bit.

But isn't it true to say that you
have no explanation

because what Sara says
is the truth?

What Sara says is not the truth.
I have an explanation for that.

Anyone that wants to understand
can understand.

This is what it was like
in the courtroom.

Her testimony was allowed
to unfold undisturbed, while he...

they were much harder on him.

Sara's testimony set the tone
in the evidence against him.

So they let her speak.

She could talk about her feelings,
her behavior and so on.

After a while I met Farid.

An older man from Morocco at
Plattan, Sergels Torg, Stockholm.

I ask him if he knows of anyone
who sells guns.

At first, he says that he doesn't.

And I think I start crying
because I'm at my wits' end.

And then I say that a friend of mine
is in danger

and she needs something
that will protect her.

She's putting a lot of thought into

what the text messages
are encouraging her to do.

She goes to Plattan,

because she knows that's where
she'll find what she needs.

Sergels Torg in Stockholm.

She's given a gun, or she buys a gun,

and then she learns to shoot it.
She's given some instructions.

It's still a bit of a mystery
how this young girl

pulled this off without being tricked.

Well, she was tricked in a way,
but she's wasn't harmed

even though she mixed
with these people.

I learnt that I should
put my finger further in.

And this gave me the strength
to pull the trigger.

Because after all,
a girl's fingers are not very strong.

On the 19th, I sell even more shares

because on the 18th,
I lost 15,000 krona.

Someone tricked me and I needed
more money to buy a gun.

And I did that.

How credible is this story?

-You mean how she got hold of the gun?
-Yes.

It isn't any more credible than
anything else in this investigation.

Everything is possible and impossible.

Take the aspect of religion,
everything is so abstract.

All this stuff that they're imagining,

but the whole congregation
really believed in this stuff.

It made it difficult for journalists,
and probably the judiciary,

to poke a hole in their reasoning.

How do you do that? How do you
question something that doesn't exist?

"The car owned by Sara's father,
which Sara uses, is parked 100 meters

from the scene on the night
of the murder in a wooded area.

As it had snowed a few days earlier,
police could easily detect

footprints around the car.

It was concluded that Sara had never
walked from where the car was parked.

She had only walked to the car
after the murder."

"Knutby, a travesty of justice."

Yes. "An extremely good memory."

-Dick Sundevall wrote this.
-Yes.

The first thing I reacted to was

what Sara says about the tracks
in the snow to and from her car.

That didn't add up.

Sara walked from the car and back.

It's very clear from this picture.
What is this?

I read the forensics report,

the coroner's report
and police interviews.

She can't explain how
Alexandra Fossmo was murdered.

She drew sketches
of where she parked the car.

She walked the same route
to and from the crime scene.

-Look here, in the same tracks.
-Yes, indeed. I think we need a map.

This is what the police presented
and this is Sara's own sketch.

Like this... Parking area. Parking area.
Here's the road.

She illustrates how she walked here
and took the same route back.

-That's what she says.
-She starts and finishes here.

-But the police say it started here.
-That's quite a difference.

Yes, the tracks to the car.

This has been used as evidence
in court. Everyone has seen it.

The prosecutor, the lawyers.

You would expect there to be
questions about this.

Number one.
These two accounts don't add up.

Number two. Why do the tracks start
in one spot and end in another?

Precisely.

Over there.
That's where the tracks begin.

-Inside that pole there.
-Right beside the telephone pole.

And there's a hill there.
You can see Åsa's house behind it.

-Yes.
-It must be...

There's a car coming...

-She must have come up here.
-Yes.

Up this hill.

And then here, where we're standing.

In this direction.

So after the crime,
someone definitely walked here.

But on their way to the crime
from the car, no one.

One would imagine
that during the trial

someone would ask,
"Did you get a lift?"

Mm, indeed.

As if someone drops her here.

And then drives up there,
parks the car and waits.

For her until she's finished.

But well...

I walk in without hesitating...
over here.

Here I raise the revolver
and point it towards the body.

I pull the trigger.

I hear Alexandra cry out
rather faintly,

but she doesn't move at all.
She's lying completely still.

After firing the shot,
I quickly move over here.

I aim for the head
and fire the second shot.

-How far is that?
-This is wrong.

This doesn't correspond
with what the police say.

It doesn't add up.

And then a strange silence

envelopes the room.

Yes.

And I'm still not sure
that I succeeded in shooting her,

so I take two steps forward...

This is the last shot.

And I aim once more at her head.

-How far is that?
-That's wrong too.

Yes, Dick Sundevall
was of the same opinion.

"Sara said that she stood
by the side of the bed

and fired from between one and a half
and two meters."

That doesn't tally
with the forensics report.

I was just looking at that.
It says here,

"Two shots were fired from the gun

directly towards the bedspread
over Alexandra's head,

So-called close contact range."

It says in the autopsy report
that these shots were fatal.

Close contact? What's the definition?

Yes, well, let's see.

"The gun has been in contact
or in close contact with the target."

Like this, or this possibly,
in close contact.

-Yes. How far away is she, a meter?
-A meter.

But the shot before that...
also close contact.

She's on the other side of the bed.
That's two meters away.

-That's not close contact.
-No, none of this adds up.

Maybe that's why the prosecutor
brings this up in her closing argument.

Here.

The parts of her testimony that could
be verified were shown to be true,

except one point. That is the one
relating to the distance

from which the shots
to Alexandra's head were fired.

The forensics report states
that the shots

are so-called close contact shots,
which means

that the revolver was held against,
or close to the head when fired.

Sara states that the shots
were fired from a distance

of at least half a meter.

An explanation as to why Sara
may be mistaken about the distance

is that it was relatively dark
in the bedroom.

Also, Alexandra had both the duvet
and bedspread over her head,

which made estimating
the distance difficult.

Another explanation
may be that it felt awful

to hold a gun to someone's head

and therefore she suppressed
this memory afterwards.

Regardless of the reason, Sara's
incorrect account on this detail

does not diminish
the credibility of her testimony.

It's interesting that
she calls it "a detail".

In this interview from January 13,

the police ask Sara
where she's standing,

"Two meters from the headboard maybe.
Or 1.5, I'm not sure.

That's when I fire the second shot.

"Towards?" They ask.
"Towards the head," she says.

How far was the barrel
from her head at that point?

One to one and a half meters maybe.

You know
that the interrogating officer knows

that the forensics report
says something else.

He says, "You say you feel unsure
of yourself with this gun and aim."

"Yes", says Sara. "Did you plan
on going up close and firing?"

A leading question.

She says, "I would find it hard
to press it against her head."

And she goes on,
but the point is, this is a person

that goes out of her way
to please people,

but on this single important point
she is not people-pleasing.

And we know that she is extremely good
at remembering things.

The prosecutor says
that she may have suppressed this.

It's interesting that when she doesn't
remember, she must have suppressed it.

In the single most important moment
of this act,

when those fatal shots are fired,

she doesn't succeed in giving
a correct account of events.

And I think...

putting a gun here, or very close,

at close contact range, can you
really suppress something like that?

Let's agree with the prosecutor,
this is just "a detail",

but it still doesn't explain
the first shot.

Because if we are
to believe what Sara says,

she shoots Alexandra in the hip.

That shot is not fatal
and it doesn't even wake her.

Yes, it seems like
she doesn't even move

from the time the first shot is fired.

She lies completely still
and then she's shot in the head.

Precisely.

Let's say you were run over by a car.

You don't feel
a lot of pain immediately,

because the adrenalin kicks in,
but she was shot with a revolver

that according
to the forensics report,

produced a sound level
of 102.9 dB, at the lowest.

It's like switching on a power saw,

drilling a hole in a wall,
or starting a disco.

It should wake her.

One month earlier she woke up when
she was hit on the head with a hammer.

So why doesn't Alexandra wake up
a month later

when she's shot in the hip?

There is no mention of this in court.

We can sit here discussing it,

but these questions
should have been asked in court.

Here's a person that has been shot
in the hip and doesn't wake up.

But it's like...

Sara confesses so...
"This is what happened."

I didn't want to do it.
I really didn't want to do...

what I did.

I had no personal motive. Who did?

Who was the driving force
behind all of this?

Well...