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The question is, what happens when
Helge Fossmo is out of the picture?

Who's leading this congregation
while Helge is in custody?

Let's try to work this out.
We've got Kim Wincent.

He's been a principal since 1982.
Emma Gembäck was a pastor for a while.

She's married to Peter Gembäck.

He's very present in the media
for a while.

That's three pastors
and one more, Johan Grimborg.

And there's Urban Fält.

He takes on a greater role
now that Helge is gone.

-And there's Patrik.
-He's not a pastor.

But he's married to Åsa,
known as the Bride of Christ.

-Everyone says Patrik is important.
-That's right.

But Åsa Waldau, the Bride of Christ,
is the one in charge.

These are the people
who are important now.

Thanks.

Why did you agree to be
interviewed, Peter?

Because I believe
that we learn from history.

I think it's important
that we open this up

and try to understand what happened.

I'm doing this
because it might help someone.

To try to explain
what Knutby was like.

You have a choice,
either to walk away or take part.

An honest and open attempt to give
an explanation, so we can move on.

I was part of an environment
that had secrets.

Why did we choose to lie?
Did we think that we were lying?

To quote Jesus Himself,
"The truth will set you free."

-Emergency 112. How may I help you?
-I don't know.

I just came in here.
There's blood everywhere.

In Knutby.

Shock and despair spread
throughout the little town of Knutby.

The murder of a young woman
and attempted murder of her neighbor

is in stark contrast
to this quiet, peaceful community.

This is one of the most bizarre criminal
cases in Sweden in modern time.

A web of religion,
sex and cruel, callous murder

unprecedented
in the judicial history of Sweden.

Who was the driving force behind this?

It's an important piece of evidence
that has been manipulated.

It creates doubt for the public.

Is this actually what happened?

This is a difficult time,
but we believe in God.

We're not giving up.

Helge and Alexandra were going
to start a Bible School in Hong Kong.

I was going to drive them
to Arlanda Airport.

I called to pick them up that morning.
I went inside and I met Alexandra.

And she...
Well, it's hard to explain.

I noticed something was wrong.

And then Helge came in.

And he says, "Something happened.
We need to talk."

I was woken up in the night
by the telephone.

I realize something's wrong

because she never usually calls me
in the middle of the night.

She sounds terrified

and she says she's been attacked.

That Sara hit her with a hammer.

Alexandra went to bed.

And... hours passed.

I lay on the couch
where I usually slept.

I had received a text message,
"There is a time for killing.

There is a time to heal."

After that it said,

"Everything has its time, even this.
Take this time that you've been given."

And I thought, "Does this have
to happen? It's the last thing I want.

But if it has to happen then it
should probably happen now."

And then... I do it.

I convince myself that this is right.
This is what I must do.

If I do this, I have proved
that I want to belong to God.

And I hit her.

She says ow and then she wakes up.

And then...
I hit her a few more times.

She leaps up and says,
"Sara, what are you doing?"

Helge doesn't say
Sara tries to murder her.

He says that Sara went off the rails
and attacked her with a hammer.

I can see
that Alexandra has been crying,

but I didn't notice that she had
any facial injuries at that stage.

As for what Sara did, it was concluded
that she went off the rails.

I don't know exactly
what was said, but...

If I remember correctly,
I think that Sara was sent away.

So she... was put on a bus.

Sara was sent to live with her dad
in Småland.

We told her that this was not okay.
Alexandra wanted to go to Hong Kong.

That's how we dealt with it.

We thought it was better
not to involve the police

because what would happen then?

Those of us who have read it
know the Bible is full of people

who have been persecuted
for their beliefs.

"Kim Wincent talks about
the incident in November

when Sara hit Alexandra
with a hammer.

This happens just hours
before Helge, Kim, Alexandra

and another congregation member
were leaving for Hong Kong.

Alexandra was fit to travel
even after the attack.

Kim Wincent says everyone agreed
not to report Sara to the police.

They wanted to protect her, somehow."

So what you're saying is, if they hadn't
taken the law into their own hands

and had reported this to the police,
Sara would've been charged with assault.

And arrested.

Mm... and the Knutby saga
could have ended there.

Yes.

It was on January 10th this year

that the pastor's 23-year-old wife
was murdered

and a 30-year-old man was shot
and injured in Knutby.

A 26-year-old woman,
formerly the children's nanny,

was arrested and detained.

She admitted to the police
that she committed both crimes.

She lived in the victim's home

and is suspected of attacking her
with a hammer last year.

The 26-year old nanny confessed
and was taken into custody,

along with a pastor, who is
the murdered woman's husband.

He's suspected of murder
and conspiracy to murder.

A woman from Småland
phones and asks

if we're interested in
some phone numbers that she has.

She said that in late September 2003

she had tried calling Sara
on that number,

but the person who answered
was a pastor in the congregation,

who said he had taken
the phone from Sara.

That's when the penny dropped.
Helge had that phone.

Should I start with my little...?

I have decided that...
I can no longer avoid

this issue with this prepaid phone

and I know that you know
that I've had it since Sara left.

And I would like to explain...

why I didn't admit to this earlier.

What happened was,

after Sara had attacked Alexandra
with a hammer,

Patrick and Urban came by and it was
decided that Sara should leave Knutby.

And she did.

She understood
that she would not be shown mercy.

She was, frankly, going to hell.

I found this rather difficult.

I knew that they would not like me
keeping in contact with her.

I told her, "I don't know
if I can have contact with you

when I come home,
because they probably won't allow it."

Then she told me
that her prepaid mobile phone

was still in the house.
We could use it to stay in touch.

I told Patrik and Urban
that I would do as they asked.

I agreed not to contact Sara,
but I found that very hard.

She had lived with us
for over two years.

And we loved her. We didn't want...

I didn't want her to fall apart
and that's why we stayed in contact.

Then this murder
and attempted murder happened

and I was in contact with Sara
even that very morning.

That is to say, when she was carrying
out her crimes, from what I know.

And this terrified me, naturally.

Because I realized then that I might
be implicated in some way...

Excuse me.

I realized then that I would
be implicated in this murder.

I was terrified that I would end up
in the situation that I'm in now.

So I decided that I would say
that I had no contact with Sara.

If I told anyone
I would be in trouble.

And also...

this may sound a little odd,

but any contact with Sara would
lead to a worse reaction in Knutby

than my affair with Anette.

Because Sara was looked upon
as someone

who was doing the devil's work.

And in that case I was...

Well, I had joined with evil forces.

We talked to him about taking
over your old SIM card.

Did you and Helge have any plans
to stay in contact, despite all of this?

Did you discuss this before you left?

No, we hadn't decided anything.

But Helge knew more
about the situation.

Even though he was surprised
he could see

that I didn't have
any obvious personal motives.

He was very perplexed by all of this

and he felt bad for Alexandra.

At the same time he could see
how distressed I was.

During this time did you continue
to receive anonymous text messages?

Yes, I did. I received a text message
from Helge that said,

"You got an anonymous
text message.

I'll forward it to you."

That's how I received
the text messages.

The first text message that I received
a few days after this happened said,

"It could have been over in 12 hours.

But it's still not too late for you.

You can still do what you have to do."

Was this a text message
that Helge forwarded to you?

-Yes, it was.
-While he was in Hong Kong?

-Yes.
-Mm.

-But this was one perpetrator's version.
-How do you mean?

Her statements regarding
the text messages...

it's possible that they existed,
but we didn't have them.

Sara says that you received
anonymous text messages

that you forwarded
to Sara's phone.

Yes, I've sent text messages
to Sara's phone,

but I neither received nor sent
anonymous text messages.

-And you're sticking to that?
-Yes, I am.

So the messages that she received
on her phone from your phone

-are messages that you sent to her.
-Yes.

"The interrogator asks Sara why
she deletes all of these messages.

Sara says she was worried
when police came to her home."

Exactly, and in a later interrogation
she says that Helge told her

to delete the text messages.
So she changed her story.

We mustn't forget that at this time

it wasn't possible to recover
deleted text messages.

If we are to believe Sara, then Helge
knows these messages don't exist.

He saw her delete them.

Yet when he's interrogated,
he hears the exact words.

The police tell him,
"This is what Sara said."

Helge must have thought
that they found his mobile phone.

I have another question.
Where is this prepaid phone now?

-Don't you have it?
-No.

-Really?
-I'm asking you where it is.

But the police don't have
this prepaid mobile phone.

-But they have the telephone traffic.
-Yes, a crazy amount of traffic.

In less than two months they exchanged
over 2,200 text messages and calls,

an average of 44 per day.

They even had contact
on the night of the murder.

We know that Alexandra was shot
in her bed by three gunshots.

We also know that Helge
is not woken up by this.

-You didn't wake up?
-No.

Because he's sleeping
in the next room.

But we know that Helge is woken up

by a text message from Sara
because he replies to it.

The ringtone volume can be set
to gradually increase.

It gets louder and louder
and then vibrates.

That's indisputable.
Furthermore, we know

that Sara and Helge spoke to each other
minutes before Daniel was shot.

She asks, "Can I call you?"
And I answer yes.

-You're in agreement.
-Fantastic!

In total agreement.

But this doesn't prove
he murdered his wife,

or was involved in
the murder of his wife.

It's problematic for Helge that
he was in contact with the person

who shot these two people,
in between the acts.

She calls me up and seems quite...
excited or upset.

Or very... confused, in any case.

She rambles on about doing
what she was supposed to do.

She believed she had appeased God.

She asked me,
"Didn't Jesus say...

These things you should do
without neglecting the others"?

And I said, "Yes, that's right."
And so on.

And she rambled on...

about the widow
and the Book of Judges,

"Ask and you shall receive.
Seek and you shall find.

Knock and it will be opened to you."
And so on.

Regarding this phone call,
Sara says that she asked you

if she should knock on the door
or the window.

And you advise her
to knock on the door.

Yes, she's talking about a door,
but it's not... Well...

I don't agree with you there.

And then the police become
interested in another fact.

Helge has in fact lost a wife before.

His first wife, Heléne,

died in unclear circumstances.
In the same house.

Four years prior to the Knutby case,
Heléne Fossmo died in the same house.

This information came out
in new interrogations.

How could one wife die and then
the second, both in the same house?

If someone is convinced he was
behind the murder of his second wife,

then he could be implicated
in the murder of his first wife too.

And vice versa.

What could the motive be?

Well, for both cases,
to get rid of a wife.

For a pastor in this congregation,
divorce is not an option.

I'd like to talk about the events
in 1999 regarding Heléne.

At what point did you realize
that Heléne was dead?

I realized it as soon as I picked her up
out of the bathtub.

It's difficult to explain,
but I got no reaction.

She was gone. There was no...

There was no life in her body.

This happened in 1999,
a few days before Christmas.

Helge says that he and Heléne
have stomach flu

and that's why
they stay in their bedroom all day.

Helge says that Heléne told him
she was going to take a shower.

-And he went back to sleep.
-That's right.

So Heléne goes to the bathroom here.

A congregation member,
Samuel Frankner, comes by.

-That's right.
-He heard they were sick and visits.

He goes straight into the bedroom.

-Helge wakes up.
-That's right.

They hear running water
and then the chaos begins.

Could you tell us in your own words

what happens when Samuel comes in?

Samuel comes... I wake up.
He's in the room and talks to me.

He sat up quickly, got out of bed
and went towards the bathroom.

I can see that he's concerned
and I don't understand why,

but he started calling out
her name and...

He rattles the door handle.
I think I took the initiative

and ran downstairs where I knew
that I would find some tools.

On my way back up,
I heard him screaming.

When you're knocking on the door

and you can hear water
running in there...

what are your thoughts
on what has happened?

I'm afraid that she has drowned
in the bath or something like that.

That she's hurt or... It doesn't appear
that she's... She doesn't answer...

So maybe she's not...

conscious.

So I became scared.

Love divine, so great and wonderful

Deep and mighty, pure, sublime

Coming from the heart of Jesus

Just the same through tests of time

Welcome to
the Kristinehamn Pentecostal Church.

I'd like to tell you about
our congregation here.

We've been here for over 75 years
and that's a long while.

We've continued growing
during this time,

because people like you and me
have come to believe in Jesus...

He was an energetic, funny
and happy guy

who liked to joke around
and have fun.

He liked to play pranks on people
and stuff like that.

A young man they remember
as funny and charming.

He also had a strong need
to assert himself

and could have
severe mood swings.

And we saw God's angels there

They said you mustn't be afraid

This is the place where Jesus lay

Helge has always been dominant.

We've talked to close friends
who've experienced similar things

with that personality...

They say you can't always influence
your children

no matter how much you want to.
That's the way it is.

They came home and said
that they were getting married.

They had already booked
the church and everything.

We didn't know anything.
We felt we had to go along with it.

We had no contact with her
when she was living in Knutby.

When we visited her,
there were always people there.

We were never alone with Heléne
and the children.

There were always people around
as if they were watching us.

We were constantly under observation.

We weren't allowed to come
to their church services...

We weren't even told about
the youngest child's baptism.

We weren't told about it.

Family occasions, for instance.
We were never told anything.

They just happened.

But back then, did you ever discuss
these worries with your daughter?

No, I never did,
because it was far too sensitive.

There was never an opportunity.
We were never left alone with her.

That's the way it was.
We talked to her on the phone,

but all the kids were always
running around at the same time.

So we never had the closeness
that we wished we had. Sadly.

It feels like
we lost Heléne twice...

First to Knutby and then
when she lost her life there.

So...

That's the way it is.

We got a phone call from Helge.

He was screaming down the receiver,
"Heléne is dead! Heléne is dead!"

I think it was the day
after that happened...

Helge tells us all that he dreamt
several nights in a row

that Heléne would die.

We were at Åsa and Patrik's house.

Helge had told Åsa earlier.

And Åsa said, "You should
share this with the others."

I was there with a few others
at the time.

He was sitting on the floor
and he told us about this dream.

I think that we believed that this was
some kind of... nightmare at first.

And then when this happened,
it was as if the dream confirmed...

Well, that the dream
came from God, or...

I don't know how we reasoned,
to be honest.

Perhaps God can speak
through dreams.

Was God preparing us for something?
Was he telling us this would happen?

-Like a kind of prophecy?
-Yes, a prophecy.

Like some kind of omen,
or whatever you might call it.

So it was quite frightening actually.
What's going on?

Why is God allowing this to happen?

What I remember of the conversations
at the time, was that he was seen

as a kind of martyr,
a kind of Divine human being.

God is testing him
with all these things.

He was so strong and he must go on.

No one should get in his way,
and he would...

As far as I can remember, he was back
on his feet quite quickly again.

We had a Christmas concert
the day after this happened.

He was there,
sitting in the first row.

He and Åsa cleared out
Heléne's wardrobe almost immediately.

They sent
her clothes to a charity shop.

Their bedroom was redecorated
soon after her death.

Åsa had decided that.

Åsa said, "If Helge is to survive this
we need to make changes.

He can't sleep in the room
where his wife just died."

I helped with the wallpaper.

It was a case of moving on, quickly.

That's my memory of his...

And I do remember that he cried too.

But that was just after her death.

Father, I love You.
I thank You for being You.

We come to you now
to remember Heléne.

You know all things.
You know everything.

You know the circumstances.

It was like a light went out in a way.

So much more than Heléne
died in that moment.

It was as if...

"Hang on, we're in paradise.
What's happening?"

I remember the feeling that
death had moved in to Knutby.

Yes, we talk about longing to come
home and our homeland.

We believe in heaven.
That's part of our Christian faith.

When Heléne died

it was almost as if what
he had described had been fulfilled.

From what I remember, we talked about
heaven being a much better place.

From 1999 to 2004,
death seemed to permeate everything.

Are you so well prepared...

that in your heart you can call out,
right here, right now

come and take me home?

And you would not fear it?

I'm not talking about the fear of God.
That fear is good.

I'm not talking about
saying something lightly.

Can you, in your heart, say,
"Come and take me home now?

I would sincerely like to meet Him."

It wasn't, as people have suggested,
that we had a death wish.

That was absolutely not the case.

But if someone died there was...
something positive to it.

You left this earth and it was harder
for those left behind.

Dying is not so bad. You go to heaven.

So I think that death became...
nothing to fear.

The big question is, Helge,
why all this contact with Sara?

1,200 text messages,
13 hours of phone calls,

in the month of December alone
and only about...

Bible quotes and various issues
regarding the Bible?

Her well-being, her future,
what she's going to do...

Where she will apply for jobs.
If she would live in Knutby again.

-If she would marry one day.
-But Sara is very specific.

So I have to ask you, Helge,

were you ever aware that
Sara was going to kill Alexandra?

No.

You're still receiving text messages
telling you it's not too late.

You're told to finish what
you didn't do the first time.

Do you still feel you must carry it out?

Yes.

And the strange thing is,
I never talked to anyone-

and yet I'm still getting text messages
that reflect exactly what I'm thinking.

Did you talk to Helge about
these thoughts

when you were having
these long conversations?

Yes, I did.

But still, as I see it...

You talk about what she says
as if that is the truth

while what I'm saying is lies
and you don't know that.

You just state things,
"It was an anonymous text message."

"According to her", is what I say.
You don't have to comment...

Coffee time.

You were present during interviews
with Sara, weren't you?

I was there a lot in order
to certify what Helge said,

to see if I could learn more.

When I was present in the interrogations
with Sara

were very laid back.

They took place in
the psychiatric hospital in Huddinge.

Why was it impossible
for Sara to believe

that Helge was sending her
those text messages?

Because she adored Helge.

Helge was as close as Sara
had ever come to God.

She was in love with
God's right-hand man.

I prayed... to God a lot
for our leader Åsa.

And so did Helge.

In the spring of 2001,
it became more intense.

I think that Helge became more
intense in his friendship with me.

He came round to mine
and Jonatan's house, to see me.

I thought it had to do with...
our prayer duties.

Everyone in the congregation prayed
for Åsa and the other leaders.

And at that time,
I think that Helge and I...

were specially chosen to pray.

But I also noticed that Helge...
was interested in me.

He looked at me in a way
that he hadn't done before.

And when we talked
he was very loving towards me.

SARA & JONATAN MARRIED
IN 12 AUGUST 2000

It's been said that Sara and Jonatan
were seen

as the perfect couple for a while,
but why didn't it work out?

Sara and Jonatan were assigned to
each another. Åsa was involved in that.

I don't think they were happy.
Sara at least wasn't.

And then Helge came along
and took Sara for himself.

In the beginning,
it was some kind of...

I'm quite sure
he had clear intentions.

This is church lingo,
but we had what we call prayer nights,

which meant that I was awake
until early morning.

Where did Sara sleep during this time?

When she slept,
she slept in the bedroom.

-Together with you?
-Mm.

Alexandra slept in another bed.

After a while... maybe,
we decided to make a pact

that was required.

It would be an act of obedience
for God.

And we should have
sexual intercourse.

And... I realized then
that I was in love with Helge.

I didn't think this
was fair to Jonatan.

I wondered what was going to happen.

And... After a while...

We realized...

It was actually Helge that...

He thought that we would
get married in the future.

Helge and Sara become inseparable
and almost untouchable.

They are on a spiritual level
that we barely understand.

They talk about
a quest for a higher love.

Did anyone suspect they were having
an intimate relationship?

No. That would be
out of the question.

We believed that they were close
in their spiritual quest...

Helge said that he needed her there.

However, it appears
that they did discuss the possibility

of a romantic relationship earlier.

He talked to me when

he wanted approval
for his relationship with Sara.

We have some information here.

Patrik Waldau says that,
in the summer of 2002, you told him

that God had said that
Sara would be your wife.

Did you tell Patrik Waldau that God
said that you and Sara would marry?

No, I don't think I said
that God said.

I shared with him...

I sometimes wondered
if it might happen.

It seemed to emerge

that Sara would be Helge's new woman.

And then it immediately stopped.

They told people about it,
including me.

It was completely stopped
in its tracks,

because there was no reason why
they should have a relationship.

He's a pastor

and it's unfaithful to say that
he was going to marry someone else.

When it came out,
especially when Åsa found out

it was met with a resounding no.

This won't work. It is totally wrong.

"Helge, go to Alexandra.
Sara, go back to your husband.

This is not okay.
We don't make any exceptions here."

What did Alexandra say about this?
Did she know about it?

No.

You talked to Åsa and Patrik and a few
more people, but never Alexandra?

No, I didn't.

How did you think
you were going to solve this one?

Did the feelings you had
disappear as quickly as they came?

No, not suddenly,
but they disappeared.

So Sara and Helge have
a night-time sexual relationship.

They call it a spiritual quest
for Åsa's sake.

Alexandra has to move downstairs,
out of the bedroom.

As I understand it,
the congregation knows

that she spends nights
in Helge's bedroom.

And they know
that Alexandra is not sleeping there.

She's sleeping downstairs.

-Yes, in this bedroom.
-That's actually Sara's bedroom,

here Helge's wife Alexandra
sleeps more regularly.

Until Anette comes into the picture.

Mistress Anette, yes.

Okay, so you were living
with Alexandra,

Sara and your three children.

But a problem arises,
a new woman comes into the picture.

This creates a problem, obviously.

Well?

Yes.

What was going on in your head
at that point?

How would you solve this situation?

These three women
had slightly different...

I'll ignore that what I was doing
was immoral.

I'll be quite frank. These three women
meant different things to me.

Alexandra... was more like
a good friend or sister

than a woman you share
your life and bed with.

With Sara, I knew somehow
that it was just a matter of time

before she would have to leave.
This was something...

that everyone wanted to end
because they didn't want her there.

Sara was, for the most part,
a mistress...

just for sexual pleasure.

Anette was much more than that.

And this meant that...

Sara was no longer

as close in that way,
or as important anymore.

I asked Helge,
if Alexandra goes to heaven,

if her life on earth is over,
I asked him if would remarry.

I asked him if he knew
who he would marry.

And then he said
that he'd had a dream.

He had a dream about gravestones.

One particular dream
was about Alexandra's gravestone.

And he dreamt about
another headstone.

And...

Then as Daniel would also go
to heaven, according to this dream,

Anette Linde would become
his next wife.

How did you feel when he started
talking about two gravestones?

-This was something new to you?
-Yes...

It felt... strange.

-Can we take a break?
-Yes.

-Good.
-We can take a break.

At 14:30.

On Friday we confiscated
Sara's telephone again.

We gave it in to a company that can,
with the help of technology,

restore text messages that have
been deleted from the phone,

but are saved on the SIM card.

-The news fell like a bombshell today.
-It's interesting.

I've never heard of deleted messages
being recreated before.

The SIM card analysis gave us
seven recovered text messages.

The fact she could describe
the messages was one thing,

but now we had proof.

The text messages correspond almost
exactly with the nanny's statements.

This could prove crucial
for the nanny's credibility.

And this proves
that Helge had access to that phone

when the text messages arrived.

However, it didn't prove
he had necessarily written them.

December 5. Time, 04:59.38,

"You need to make a decision
and stop wondering about it.

Find a secure solution.

You will prove your love
by freeing him. He needs that."

December 17, 2003. Time, 01:06.18.

"The first is a must.
Do the second out of love.

It has to happen somehow.

Your selflessness would be to
your advantage before Him. You can.

Time is passing
and you cannot put it off.

Don't think so much.
Make your decision

and find a secure solution.
Find your way to peace, like his.

You have to let him know.

Leave him out of it,
but he has reached his limit

and he needs to be seen.
Act before it's too late.

Romans 6:23:
'For the wages of sin is death

but the gift of God is eternal life
in Christ Jesus our Lord.'"

New Year's Eve at 15.21.

"This is not your fault.
There's still time.

For His sake, because He's pleading
for you. It won't be too late.

You must take this to completion now."
What should she take to completion?

Her faith, her conversion, her...

She has done nothing but believe
since she was a child.

No, but she didn't believe
that she could receive forgiveness.

You're reading this in a way that
means you interpret it in one way.

-No, Helge.
-Yes, you can't deny that, can you?

-I'm reading it.
-You can't deny that!

I'm reading them the way
Sara did in her statements.

-Yes, of course.
-She recounted those messages

exactly as they were written.

-Yes.
-That's what I'm saying.

But I have not told her to go
and shoot two people.

She must have interpreted the messages
in a way that she wasn't meant to.

Police in Uppsala
are asking themselves if it's possible

that there were more people
involved in the attacks,

or that others may have
been aware of the murder plans.

Summer arrived and it's normal
for most people to take holidays.

Both prosecutors
took their summer holidays

and we had in fact had a long period
of interrogations

that covered just about everything.

So there was nothing more to do.

What are the loose ends
as you see them?

Well, the connection with Åsa.
Did Åsa know anything?

-I love you all so much...
-How do you mean?

I had to argue my case for quite some
time to get an interview with Åsa.

I wanted to conduct it simply because
I knew the whole story.

But I wasn't allowed
to conduct that interview.

It went to a then older colleague

who came out of his office
after hours with Åsa and he said,

"Oh, what a fantastic woman!"

And maybe she is. What do I know?

But that's not what
I was interested in.

-What did you want to find out?
-I wanted to know if she was involved.

Could this have happened
beyond her sight?

Without her knowledge?

Is it possible that two members
of the congregation get shot

without her knowing anything about it?

The person who knew everything
about the congregation.